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Hey everyone, welcome to our 
September Bible in 365 live Q&A 

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with our amazing pastor James 
Cadiz. 

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How are you doing? 
Happy Friday. 

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I'm. 
I'm good. 

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It's it's been a season, trust 
me. 

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I feel you on that one. 
I feel you on that one. 

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You know, we're resting in the 
joy and the strength of the Lord

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because if we didn't have it, I 
think we'd all be in the cuckoo 

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house. 
I I don't know, it's just wild. 

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How is everything going on in 
your side with the church and 

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everything? 
I've been keeping you in our 

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prayers for sanctuary and all 
that stuff. 

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Yeah, you know, things great. 
You know, I would say please 

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pray for us. 
We're still in the middle of 

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this process of potentially 
buying a beautiful church 

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building. 
We think that it would solve a 

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lot of problems for us. 
It would instantly put us in 

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1000 seat sanctuary, which is 
something that we, we 

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desperately need. 
But there are some major things 

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that we have to get past. 
And, you know, it's just prayers

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are always appreciated. 
And, you know, obviously 

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there's, there's expense 
involved and we could use 

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prayers for that. 
I believe that where God guides 

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us, he's going to provide, you 
know, and so I'm not really 

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concerned about that aspect of 
it as much as I, I'm, I'm a 

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little concerned about some of 
the other nuances behind it. 

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There's some legal issues 
happening by the people trying 

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to sell it who are doing some 
pretty underhanded things. 

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And the, the game is, is a 
little crazy. 

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But you know what? 
The Lord knows what he's doing. 

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And if the Lord wants us to have
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door. 
But you know, the way I am, I'm 

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like, OK, Lord, I'm going to try
to, to walk through any opening 

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that I can see. 
And if you close the door, then 

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you close the door, Lord. 
So we're, that's kind of, yeah, 

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that's the immediate thing. 
The other thing that I'm very 

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concerned about right now, and 
it's very heavy on my heart. 

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And I, I heard Glenn Beck talk 
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it's a huge deal in my mind. 
And that is we have to get 

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pastors, especially over these 
next few months to mobilize 

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believers in their churches to 
be voting in this midterm. 

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If if you're a pastor and you 
say you do not have an 

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obligation or you shouldn't be 
getting into politics, you're in

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the wrong place. 
We have got to speak up about 

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these things. 
And, you know, coming from a 

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perspective where my mom and my 
dad were both born and raised in

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Egypt, I can tell you right now 
with the rise of all of these, 

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you know, so-called by name 
Islamic candidates, we, we have 

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a lot to be concerned with and 
we have to stand up for our 

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principles. 
You know, they're going into 

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mosques and they're saying they 
need 3 million votes. 

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That's what they're telling 
everybody in the mosques right 

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now. 
And there are at least 30 

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million Christians across the 
nation who are saying they're 

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sitting out on this vote. 
I mean, imagine if just a little

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bit more than 15% of them said, 
you know what, I'm going to 

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actually vote, we wouldn't have 
the concerns that we have right 

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now. 
It's amazing to me. 

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So we, we really need to pray 
for that as well. 

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It's, it's kind of a big deal. 
And I know I'm like, I'm, I'm 

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mentioning it everywhere I can 
not just in the, you know, not 

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just the church or the videos 
that I'm making, but you know, 

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the Q and AI thought it would be
worthwhile to mention as well. 

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Amen, Amen. 
I'll have you lead us in prayer 

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and then we're going to dive 
into some scripture, Scripture 

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questions and then we'll hop 
into some lifestyle questions as

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well. 
OK, let's do it. 

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Father in Heaven, we just thank 
you, Lord, for this time. 

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And we ask, Lord, for your 
strength. 

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We ask for your wisdom. 
We ask for discernment and 

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understanding the issues that 
are being brought before us. 

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Lord, I pray that the words that
I share would be your words, 

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Lord, and not mine. 
I pray that you would guide all 

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of us to be able to understand 
and recognize what's being said.

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Lord, I thank you so much for 
Eric. 

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I pray that you would just bless
her immensely. 

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Lord, bless the children, bless 
the whole Kirk family. 

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Lord be with them. 
Bless the folks at Turning USA. 

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Give us wisdom and discernment 
and understanding for every step

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that we should be taking. 
Lord, in these days that are 

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definitely getting darker. 
So Lord, we love you and thank 

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you. 
We look to you and we ask these 

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things in Jesus. 
Then we pray. 

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Amen. 
OK, our first questions from 

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Milka. 
And this is an interesting 

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question because we have a lot 
of new readers and a lot of new 

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people. 
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something you have witnessed in 
your own church as well, a lot 

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of new believers who've just 
recently surrendered their life 

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to the Lord and given their life
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So this is, I think it's a, it's
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readers and new believers have 
that I think it'd be really 

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important for you to touch on. 
Milka asks, can you explain why 

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Jesus died on the cross for our 
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I believe I understand why he 
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deeper into how him dying on the
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Did he die to prove to us that 
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I'm a first time Bible reader 
and I'm loving Bible and 365. 

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Thank you. 
Well, Milka, we're grateful to 

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have you part of the Bible and 
365 family so. 

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Yeah, it's it's and the question
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I think we have to really get 
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the basics are critical. 
And then we'll get into what 

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we'll zoom out and get into a 
slightly bigger picture that 

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helps us to be able to 
understand the mechanics of the 

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question that's being asked. 
First and foremost, Jesus didn't

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die merely to prove that he was 
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OK. 
And by the way, that's a, it's a

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reasonable question to be 
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His death was necessary because 
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OK, We can simply start with 
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the book of Romans. 
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death. 
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just a mistake or a moral 
failure creates real guilt 

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before a very holy and a just 
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He stands in perfection. 
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to forgive or to deal with that 
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I got a little ahead of myself 
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forgive. 
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and still remain perfectly just.
If he did that, then there's a 

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bigger problem involved, right? 
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with guilt. 
He can't be a righteous judge 

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and say, OK, well, we're just 
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because I like you. 
That would make him a deeply 

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unrighteous judge. 
And that's a, that's a, that's a

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big issue. 
So This is why the Old Testament

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sacrificial system is deeply 
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It's why it matters. 
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substitution. 
It really speaks of an innocent 

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sacrifice that dies in the place
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Now the book of Hebrews says in 
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You'll have to, we'll have to 
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believe it's Chapter 9 it says 
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remission. 
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there is no remission of sins. 
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never the final answer, but they
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They always pointed forward to 
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qualified to die for us because 
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OK, Second Corinthians confirms 
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It says For he hath made him to 
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that we might be made the 
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That's not what it speaks about 
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It means our guilt was placed 
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OK Isaiah chapter 53 speaks of 
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He says he was wounded for our 
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for our iniquities. 
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this is just a just a little bit
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the Lord hath laid on him the 
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So the death on the cross is 
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In other words, we were guilty, 
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judgment and he in essence took 
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So Jesus paid a debt that he 
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So when Jesus died, he said on 
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finished. 
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Now the rendering of the 
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uniquely consequential to being 
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infrastructure of what's being 
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said it is finished. 
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he's declaring that the work of 
redemption has been completed at

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one point in history forever and
the resurrection sealed that the

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resurrection demonstrated his 
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Matter of fact, Romans chapter 4
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It says he was raised again for 
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The apostle Paul justify doesn't
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He explains that justification 
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with Christ, but it is no longer
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lives in me and the life that I 
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of God who gave himself for me. 
So it's it's pretty powerful. 

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The old man dies. 
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life and that's what's so 
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not about this is the part 
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Christianity is not about, you 
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God. 
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righteous, there would have been
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Salvation is by grace through 
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ourselves. 
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heaven is by fulfilling the law 
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That's what the Bible says. 
Now we've all broken the law of 

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God. 
My goodness, I've broken the law

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of God just a few minutes before
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I break the law of God every few
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We all break the law of God on a
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actually live a perfect life. 
We're all damned to hell because

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we've all broken the law of God.
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we one day hear the words well 
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God is not going to look at the 
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He's going to look at the 
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Why? 
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lived on this earth. 
He lived that life while wearing

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a robe of righteousness that 
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took our sins, he takes off that
robe of righteousness, gives it 

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to us, we put it on and the the 
Lord sees the perfect life that 

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Jesus lived. 
So he goes to us and he says, 

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well done, good and faithful 
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place. 
He died for our sins so that 

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anyone who places their faith in
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reconciled to God and given 
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Now I want to bring up an 
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valid and I think critically 
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of Charlie's love, for example, 
of the Shabbat. 

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And this is such a, a great 
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through. 
But you know, I, I can't help 

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but to think about what happened
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The Bible tells us that when the
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Pharaoh and let his people go 
from slavery, the last plague 

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was the death of or the death 
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That would be the the, the 
execution of the first born in 

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every part of that land, and not
only Goshen where the Jews 

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lived, but the Egyptians as 
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So God said you had to take a 
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it. 
You had to take the blood, apply

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it to the doorpost of the house.
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they had to do. 
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see the blood on the doorpost of
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that house, death would 
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Now the Bible tells us from what
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blood of Jesus is sprinkled upon
the doorpost of our heart and 

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death now passes over. 
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blood of Jesus being shed is 
it's once and for all. 

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There's no longer the need for 
an animal to be sacrificed 

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because of what Christ has done.
And that in essence, is what 

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makes this so remarkable. 
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Yep. 
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resurrection? 
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existed in the Garden of Eden? 
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raptured alive, what happens to 
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Does the body remain on earth or
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body Adam and Eve had that Jesus
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OK, this is boy, I know there's.
A lot there. 

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Yeah, it is a that, that this 
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there's, it's a, it's an amazing
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deserves some thorough 
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not have glorified bodies like 
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through the fall. 
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as a glorified resurrected body.
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important The Bible tells us 
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entered the world, death 
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the important distinction 
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Adam was created innocent, the 
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actually glorified. 
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different things and the 
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was not created by the condition
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OK, that so So we can't conflate
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Christ, who's referred to, of 
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That's a whole Bible college 
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in First Corinthians 15, which 
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resurrection chapter, this is 
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conclusions from. 
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the earth and he even goes as 
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heaven. 
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here. 
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dying. 
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warning in Genesis chapter 2 
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the day that thou eatest 
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that they were not supposed 
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occurring before the fall. 
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chapter 5 specifically connects 
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Again, I, I already shared this 
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says through one man sin into 
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and I just mentioned it a second
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So death was not entered into 
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So there's another, by the way, 
I would just call it a very 

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fascinating clue that you'll 
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speaks to us about the actual 
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when man actually sinned against
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him from eating from the tree of
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I don't know if you remember 
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from doing that, he actually 
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he says, lest he put forth his 
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And I, I believe the way that 
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his hand and take away, take 
away. 

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You know what, I'm going to just
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So I don't, I don't just mess it
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Hold on one second. 
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it up really quickly because I 
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I don't want to mess this one 
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My memory serves me very, very 
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completely. 
So let me, let me, let me just 

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do this really quickly. 
OK? 

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Yeah. 
OK. 

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So yeah, it's it's it's close to
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Basically, it's what it's 
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lest he put forth his hand. 
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oh, gosh, I lost it. 
Hold on a second. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
What just happened? 

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What just happened? 
What's happened? 

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OK, Yeah. 
Lest he put forth his hand and 

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take also of the tree of life 
and eat and live forever. 

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That's the sequence. 
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live forever in his sinful 
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doing that so that the the 
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bring him to the new state that 
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flourish in that resurrected and
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You know, that, by the way, 
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himself did not possess some 
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exist in the same sense as the 
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That's very clear to us. 
So a glorified believer, meaning

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one who dies and, and 
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he's not going to or she is not 
going to merely be someone who, 

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who, who doesn't happen to die. 
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possess a body that absolutely 
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exposed to sin. 
And by the way, it's interesting

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because Jesus actually says 
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they die anymore. 
And that's a major difference. 

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He speaks about this, by the 
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the resurrection in the life, 
when he talks to Lazarus in Luke

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chapter 20, he brings us up. 
It's, it's very important. 

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Now there's another. 
A question and I I want to go 

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back and read it. 
There was the the question 

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mentioned something about the 
rapture. 

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Can you 'cause I lost? 
The read it just. 

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The part about the. 
Rapture. 

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There's a part about the Yeah, 
it says regarding and regarding 

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Christians who are raptured 
alive, what happens to their 

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physical body? 
I know corruptible flesh cannot 

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enter into heaven. 
Does the body remain on earth or

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is it transformed to the type of
body Adam and Eve, Adam and Eve 

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had and that Jesus had after the
resurrection? 

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Yeah, it's a great question, 
like a phenomenal question. 

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OK, so I just I missed it. 
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their physical bodies don't get 
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First Corinthians 15 says that 
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shall all be changed. 
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raised incorruptible and we 
shall be changed. 

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word changed here. 
That is a very critical word in 

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the Greek language. 
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believer doesn't have to die 
first. 

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There is a a a literal 
metamorphosis that actually 

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takes place. 
Now the rapture, at the rapture 

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specifically, there are 
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that we see that we read about. 
And this, this is spoken of in 

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the book of First Thessalonians.
We have dead believers who are 

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raised, meaning people who have 
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believers who are actually 

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changed. 
That's the operative 

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terminology, dead, raised, 
living changed. 

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That's it's a, it's a very 
critical distinction. 

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And you know, First 
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could quote it in Greek. 
OK, we all have that memorized. 

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It says the dead in Christ. 
This is First Thessalonians 

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chapter 4, right in verse 16. 
It says the dead in Christ shall

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rise first, then we which are 
alive and remain shall be caught

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up together with them in the 
clouds. 

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So Paul explains exactly what 
happens to the body that's 

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talked about in First 
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Again, he says this corruptible 
must put on incorruption and 

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this mortal must put on 
immortality. 

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So the mortal body is therefore 
transformed. 

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That's the picture. 
There's a, there's an instant 

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transformation. 
It's not discarded. 

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Now people, a lot of people will
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with, you know, bodies that have
been cremated or bodies that 

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have been just completely 
decayed? 

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Well, he's the God of heaven. 
He's a creator of the universe. 

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You could theoretically take a 
person's DNA and construct their

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whole body. 
Scientists have already known 

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that. 
So that's that's a non issue. 

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God will bring those material 
together. 

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He created man from the dust of 
the earth. 

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So not very, not very difficult.
Right now we have even more 

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clues in the Bible. 
Philippians. 

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I believe it's around chapter 2 
or chapter. 

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Actually it's chapter 3 
Philippians says that that the 

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Lord is going to change our vile
body. 

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That's the word that's using my 
body's vile. 

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OK, you change our vile body 
that it may be fashioned like 

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unto his glorious body. 
I kind of look forward to that. 

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Like I, I, you know, it's, it's 
hard not to get emotional over 

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this, but I've already lost £350
or so and I am being very 

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aggressive about doing my 
absolute best to lose more. 

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Because before my children get 
too old, I look forward for the 

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day to come where I can roll 
around in the grass with them 

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and on my back stare at the 
clouds. 

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Now I sit in a mobility scooter 
because of my nerve disease. 

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And I recognize the fact that 
that our bodies are limited. 

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OK, like I get it. 
And I also recognize that I bear

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some of the responsibility for 
the condition of my body. 

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But I can also tell you that 
there will come a time where we 

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will not deal with the 
limitations that our bodies 

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have. 
And I, I got to mute this. 

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Hold on one second. 
I'm so looking forward to the 

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resurrection of the believers 
body. 

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I think it's it's so 
spectacular. 

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And this is an area that I tend 
to obsess over because it's 

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another part of the hope and the
promise. 

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And by the way, like, make no 
mistake about it, OK, there's 

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already muscle conditioning 
going on and all kinds of things

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going on where by God's grace, 
I'm going to do that. 

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I'm going to be rolling around 
on the grass of my kids and 

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looking at clouds and laughing. 
It's, it's coming. 

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The time is coming. 
It is my, my 2 month old will 

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probably be a couple of years 
old at that point. 

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And my 5 year old will still be 
crazy and young and, well, he'll

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be 5. 
He's 3 right now. 

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And and but it's going to happen
anyway. 

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I obsess over this a little bit,
you know, because if you look at

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Adam before the fall, get your 
act together. 

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James, OK, He was, he was 
sinless. 

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He was uncorrupted. 
His body was clearly physical. 

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It wasn't a spiritual body. 
He was, you know, natural for 

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all intents and purposes. 
He was definitely capable of 

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death and he wasn't glorified. 
But Jesus after the resurrection

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in the Bible says we will be in 
like manner of our Lord, OK, 

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his. 
The distinctions are clear. 

453
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,000
It was physical and 
recognizable. 

454
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,840
It could be touched, He could 
eat, He certainly could interact

455
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,480
with the physical world, but it 
was glorified, it was immortal, 

456
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,040
and it was incorruptible. 
The Bible gives us those 

457
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,720
characteristics and our bodies 
will be the same way. 

458
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,040
We're going to be able to, 
they're they're going to be very

459
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,720
physical and real, but they will
be transformed. 

460
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,520
They'll be incorruptible. 
And yes, by God's grace, we're 

461
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,640
going to still eat. 
There's some big meals happening

462
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,200
in heaven. 
So it's going to be fashioned 

463
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,520
like Christ's glorious body, no 
longer subject to disease or 

464
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,280
aging or corruption or, or 
death. 

465
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,960
And and that's where it becomes 
so spectacularly beautiful. 

466
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,040
The rapture. 
It, it is not God abandoning the

467
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,760
physical body, it's God actually
transforming it. 

468
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,920
So, so the Christian doesn't 
become a a disembodied spirit 

469
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,480
for eternity doesn't work that 
way. 

470
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,000
God's ultimate purpose is in 
essence the resurrection where 

471
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,760
the redeemed person, the person 
who's put their faith and trust 

472
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,080
in Christ possesses a very real 
physical, but the operative 

473
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,200
terminology here is glorified 
body that is patterned directly 

474
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,240
after the resurrected body of 
Christ. 

475
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,920
That's why he's the first fruits
of the resurrection. 

476
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,200
So we took a little bit more 
time with it, but hopefully it's

477
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,480
an, you know, little bit of a, 
but you know, I know I so it's 

478
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,520
terrible, but hopefully, but 
hopefully it's encouraging, you 

479
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,120
know, that people understand 
what it means. 

480
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:40,320
It's a good question. 
Charlie felt that way about his 

481
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,960
back. 
He wanted to be able to run 

482
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,720
around with the kids and it just
was really hard with his back 

483
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,000
so. 
I remember. 

484
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,960
Yeah. 
Our next question is from 

485
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,520
Anonymous. 
It's first John chapter 3 verse 

486
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,640
16 reads by this. 
We know love, that He laid down 

487
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,400
his life for us, and we ought to
lay down our lives for the 

488
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,840
brothers. 
Is this to be read literally? 

489
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,920
Is a Christian obliged to lay 
down his life for another 

490
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,320
Christian? 
Maybe this question comes simply

491
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,080
from my lack of zeal, but I just
don't think it's reasonable or 

492
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,640
realistic for one's Christian 
faith to be evidenced by a 

493
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,920
willingness to sacrifice one's 
life for another Christian, 

494
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,120
especially in a time when church
abuse seems so visible. 

495
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,280
Man we. 
Boy, we, we, we are getting. 

496
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,400
We are. 
Getting loaded. 

497
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:40,360
Loaded biblical questions. 
OK, so yes, quite simply. 

498
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,200
And by the way, I I will tell 
you that when I used to teach 

499
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Greek in the Bible college, my 
requirement was our Bible 

500
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,360
college students had to start 
the translation project, the 

501
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,120
first John. 
So this is one of those very 

502
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,520
familiar passages to me that 
that make very, very clear 

503
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,880
sense. 
So yes, the answer in short is 

504
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,400
first, John 316 should be taken 
very seriously and quite 

505
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,400
literally. 
But we have to understand what 

506
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,080
John means by lay down our 
lives. 

507
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,720
He's establishing in what I 
would define as being the 

508
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,680
highest expression of of what we
what we term Christian love. 

509
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,960
OK, not commanding Christians to
know like recklessly seek 

510
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,520
opportunities to die. 
That's not what it says. 

511
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,640
If you read it in the King 
James, this is exactly what he 

512
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:36,080
says. 
He says hereby perceive, hereby 

513
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,840
perceive we the love of God 
because he had laid down his 

514
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,000
life for us. 
And and then it says, and we 

515
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,680
ought to lay down our lives for 
the brethren. 

516
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,560
Now there's a Greek phrase there
that's translated lay down his 

517
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,280
life. 
It's it's tense Ato ethen. 

518
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,720
Now the the key verb is very 
critical. 

519
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,880
It's the it's the word that we 
identify as tithumai, which 

520
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:10,320
which which is defined as to 
place or put or set down or lay 

521
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,680
down South psyche. 
That word psyche that's using 

522
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:20,000
that phrase can actually mean a 
life or an actual person or 

523
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:27,560
almost like a, a, a self 
depending, like depending on the

524
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,040
context, OK, it can actually 
mean self depending. 

525
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:35,760
So I would just say that it 
plainly refers to Christ giving 

526
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,520
his life for us, right? 
He gave his life and death. 

527
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,680
That's the that's the 
description. 

528
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,640
So when you look at the 
parallel, the same basic 

529
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,160
expression is repeated to us. 
Now we go back to original 

530
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,560
authors because John in in in 
his gospel account said the same

531
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,000
thing. 
He said the Good Shepherd does 

532
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,760
what he gives his life for his 
sheep. 

533
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,600
That's the John chapter 10 
passage and, and he even says 

534
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,680
it, Jesus says it. 
I lay down my life for the 

535
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,200
sheep. 
So this is another very 

536
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,320
important Greek word in that 
verse and that that word cannot 

537
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,360
be missed. 
That is the word we ought. 

538
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,200
It's it's what translates to we 
ought. 

539
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,040
It carries the idea of like 
owning somebody. 

540
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,680
It's the same terminology that 
the apostle Paul uses. 

541
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,000
Not the same Greek word, but the
same terminology where he says 

542
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,080
it's our reasonable service that
we do this. 

543
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,800
Now. 
That means John is not 

544
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:34,680
presenting sacrificial love as 
like some optional extra for 

545
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:40,000
unusually devoted Christians. 
OK, the the next verse tells us 

546
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,040
exactly how John expects this 
this principle to actually 

547
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,800
operate in the everyday 
Christian life. 

548
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,600
Look what he says. 
He says, but who so hath this 

549
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,120
world's good and seeth his 
brother that have need. 

550
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,280
And, and I believe that the 
phrase is he shutteth up his 

551
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,600
bowels. 
I think that's the phrase that 

552
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,080
he shut up his bowels of 
compassion from him. 

553
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,640
Then he imposes A rhetorical 
question. 

554
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,600
And by the way, you know, we use
rhetorical questions all the 

555
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,600
time. 
What a rhetorical question means

556
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,600
is, is that you impose a 
question and the imposition of 

557
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,920
that question, the answer is so 
obvious that you're making a 

558
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,880
statement. 
One of the examples that we use 

559
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,880
is, are you kidding me? 
Well, I'm not asking if you're 

560
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,200
kidding me. 
I'm saying what you're saying is

561
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,880
materially ridiculous or, or are
you nuts? 

562
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,080
Are you crazy? 
I'm not asking if you're crazy. 

563
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,400
I'm saying you're crazy by 
asking you a question where the 

564
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,760
answer is obvious. 
Right. 

565
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,320
So, so the last portion of that 
verse, he imposes a very 

566
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,280
rhetorical question. 
He says, how do we dwell? 

567
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,800
The how does the dwell of how 
does the love of God dwell in 

568
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,440
him? 
I hope I'm not like terribly 

569
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,440
butchering it, but that's the 
question that he asked. 

570
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,960
How does the the love of God 
dwell in that person who does 

571
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,720
not respond to the need of the 
brother that's in front of him? 

572
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,120
So I think this is a very, it's 
extremely important because John

573
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,480
moves immediately from the the 
subject of dying for your 

574
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,160
brother to helping your brother 
like materially. 

575
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:15,040
OK, so the, the words that John 
is sharing here is he starts 

576
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,680
with the what, what I would 
call, you know, the maximum 

577
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,000
expression of love. 
And that's what it is. 

578
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,120
And then he applies it to 
everyday life. 

579
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,320
He says, hey, look, Christ gave 
his life for us. 

580
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,760
Therefore, we as Christians, if 
we fully express our love to one

581
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,680
another, it must fundamentally 
at its core be self sacrificial.

582
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,040
If I claim that I would die for 
my brother while refusing to 

583
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:44,000
help him when he's hungry or or 
hurting or in a in genuinely 

584
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,440
need, then my claim is actually 
worthless because no, I wouldn't

585
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,720
die for him because right now I 
won't lay down my life and 

586
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,880
sacrifice for him. 
And that matter of fact, it's 

587
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,800
interesting because verse 18, he
brings up this other word where 

588
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,120
he says my little children 
decline. 

589
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,400
It's a very interesting Greek 
word. 

590
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,120
He says my little children let 
us not love in Word. 

591
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,080
And then he goes on to say 
neither in tongue, but then he 

592
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,120
goes on to say you need to do it
in truth and indeed meaning you 

593
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,440
have to be guided by what the 
word says concerning how you 

594
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,159
live it. 
This is by the way, that the 

595
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,520
primary verse that I would use 
in defeating the garbage that 

596
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,679
the alphabet mafia continues to 
use when they say love is love. 

597
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,880
Actually love is not love. 
That's ridiculous. 

598
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,960
God is love. 
So, and then later on in first 

599
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,880
John chapter 4, he goes on to 
speak about it when he says, 

600
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,360
beloved, let us love one another
for lovers of God and everybody 

601
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,760
that loveth, loveth. 
You get the whole passage. 

602
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,520
It's actually a very beautiful 
passage. 

603
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,040
You know, for he that loveth not
loveth, not God. 

604
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,760
Why? 
Because God is love. 

605
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,520
So he's building the argument 
into into chapter 4. 

606
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,800
And I got to tell you first John
is such an amazing, amazing, 

607
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,880
amazing book. 
Matter of fact, three or four 

608
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,920
books down the line, once I'm 
finished with the Part 2 of the 

609
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,760
Revelation book and I get Daniel
Dunn and Isaiah, I'm probably 

610
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,040
doing first John. 
It's, it's that good of a book. 

611
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,000
But let me just simply say this.
That is what the heart of the 

612
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,720
passage actually is. 
John is attacking what he refers

613
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:15,760
to as a Christianity that's not 
founded in the very core of what

614
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,360
Jesus did. 
I refer to it as theoretical 

615
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,800
Christianity in some cases. 
Cultural Christianity is another

616
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,960
good term to use here. 
It's very easy to say I love my 

617
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,800
brothers and I love my sisters 
in Christ. 

618
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,800
But John says that if you're 
going to love things, if you're 

619
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,440
going to love people the way 
that God prescribes to do so, 

620
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,480
then that is going to involve 
sacrifice. 

621
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,160
It's going to cost you 
something, you know, and, and, 

622
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,960
and I can't help but to think 
about the love that Charlie had 

623
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,200
for all these kids and it costed
him something the whole time he 

624
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,840
was alive and it costed him 
something when he went to go be 

625
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,880
with the Lord. 
I think that it doesn't have to 

626
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,000
include life every single time. 
It is a part of the way that you

627
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,040
live. 
Sometimes that cost can be 

628
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,400
money. 
It definitely can be time. 

629
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,520
Time is far more valuable than 
money will ever be. 

630
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,320
It can be inconvenience it it 
can be placing yourself at a 

631
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:15,000
considerable a risk personally 
for the sake of the people that 

632
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,760
are around you. 
And I think that that it it just

633
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,240
means all of that. 
And again, Jesus said it greater

634
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,960
love hath no man in this that he
lay down his life for his 

635
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,360
friend. 
And there is a major distinction

636
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:31,560
between what we would call 
sacrificial love and and in 

637
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,760
essence enabling abuse. 
OK and that's what the the the 

638
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,760
area that I need to bring in the
caveat. 

639
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,760
OK, there's nothing in first 
John chapter 3 that requires as 

640
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,640
a Christian to remain under some
kind of spiritual, physical, 

641
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,880
sexual, financial, any kind of 
abuse institutionally or non 

642
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,560
institutionally. 
Christian love does not require 

643
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:56,240
abandoning discernment or 
allowing another person to 

644
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,840
manipulate you. 
As a matter of fact, that's the 

645
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,320
opposite of Christian love. 
It doesn't mean that every 

646
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,880
person who calls himself a 
Christian automatically, like, 

647
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,760
receives unlimited access to 
your life or your family or your

648
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,440
finances or even your trust. 
If that was the case and I 

649
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,160
wouldn't have a life right now, 
I say no to way more people than

650
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,920
I say yes to as a matter of 
fact, in, in, in like the same 

651
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,320
kind of context, right? 
John tells us to have 

652
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,120
discernment in that same, in 
that same context. 

653
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,800
What does he say in verse 1 of 
chapter 4? 

654
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,160
This is right on the heels of 
everything he said. 

655
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,760
He said believe not every 
spirit. 

656
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,640
And then he tells us to try the 
spirits, whether or not they're 

657
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,280
of God. 
So there's also something very 

658
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,800
important about that 
distinction. 

659
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,640
And by the way, he's not saying 
it to, to, to everybody. 

660
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,840
He's saying it to the brethren. 
That's very, very important. 

661
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,320
And that's a that's a key and 
critical word here. 

662
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:57,600
So when you when you take verses
161718, you put it all together,

663
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,400
it gives us the supreme example,
which is Christ. 

664
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,160
Verse 17 gives us like the 
everyday test. 

665
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,280
You see a need. 
Are you going to meet the need? 

666
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,960
And verse 18 really in essence 
shares the whole principle, 

667
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,640
right? 
Love can't exist merely in in 

668
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,440
the things that we that we say. 
It must eventually show itself 

669
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,200
in in what we do. 
And again, Christ is the 

670
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,280
ultimate example of this. 
I say this all the time. 

671
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,040
Christ didn't go to the cross 
willingly. 

672
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,960
He went to the cross obediently.
He said, look, let this cup pass

673
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,240
for me. 
Not my will be done, but thy 

674
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,600
will be done. 
And what we do sacrificially is 

675
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,080
an act of obedience. 
So it's having discernment. 

676
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:38,040
It's not a license for you to 
get abused, but it is something 

677
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,920
that requires you to live 
sacrificially. 

678
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,400
And that's not an easy thing to 
do. 

679
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,680
Amen. 
I'm going to hop to lifestyle 

680
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,680
questions really quick and then 
we can go pepper back down to 

681
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,800
Scripture. 
This one's from Anne Marie, she 

682
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,920
says. 
I'd really love to hear your 

683
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,720
perspective on single parent 
adoption, particularly for 

684
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:03,000
Christian women who desire 
marriage and children but may 

685
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,920
not find a husband in the time 
frame they had hoped for. 

686
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,080
There's an interesting dynamic 
in the dating world right now. 

687
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,440
In my opinion, there seems to be
a lack and godly men in the 

688
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,840
church. 
I also have a history of cancer 

689
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,400
and it will be impossible for me
to have children naturally. 

690
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,320
Given my experience of a lack in
the church history of cancer and

691
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,440
inability to have children, I 
believe that finding a life 

692
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,440
partner to handle all of that 
will be difficult, though my 

693
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,880
heart is still open. 
Her question is, do you believe 

694
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,880
a single Christian woman can be 
called to adoption and provide a

695
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,680
loving, stable home for a child 
while still holding a biblical 

696
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,200
view of marriage and hoping to 
marry in the future? 

697
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,240
And how would you respond to 
people who believe children 

698
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,440
should only be placed with 
married couples? 

699
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,880
Any advice you have for me would
be much appreciated. 

700
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,480
OK, so boy, this is a difficult 
one. 

701
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,840
And it's it's, it's a very, very
hard to. 

702
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:10,880
Toward this in a way that is 
sensitive because look, let, let

703
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,880
let me just say this there, 
there, there's, there's some 

704
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,200
things that I have to lay down 
find foundationally, OK. 

705
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,360
And mind you, I, I want to say 
this for the record, I am the 

706
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,320
father. 
I'm the proud father of four 

707
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,080
precious adopted children. 
OK? 

708
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,200
Let me let me just simply say 
that right off the bat, OK? 

709
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,280
But I have to say this because 
it's important. 

710
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:43,080
God's pattern from the beginning
is father, mother and children, 

711
00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:54,460
not merely a loving adult. 
And a child is what was in God's

712
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:57,540
plan. 
Now we live in a fallen world. 

713
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,240
We have single moms, we have 
single dads, and those 

714
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:06,120
situations happen for a plethora
of reasons. 

715
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,920
We have spouses who pass away, 
We have spouses who do evil 

716
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:19,440
things. 
And so there are things that 

717
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,760
happen that put us in that 
situation where people end up 

718
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,720
being single parents that never 
intended to be single parents. 

719
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,600
And those are the parents that I
call heroes. 

720
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,840
I think they are absolute 
heroes. 

721
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,080
With that said, let me just 
simply say this. 

722
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:44,000
A father and a mother are not 
interchangeable parental units. 

723
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,240
They're not. 
They bring something distinct to

724
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:55,720
the formation of a child. 
One of the greatest challenges 

725
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:59,800
of a single parent when they 
lose a spouse is to have to 

726
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,520
compensate for that condition 
that is created. 

727
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,600
And I believe that God 
supernaturally gives them the 

728
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,280
ability to be able to do that, 
even though it is less than 

729
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,200
ideal, because God allowed that 
to happen. 

730
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:20,960
For whatever reason, adoption is
already responding to a tragedy 

731
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,200
or a broken circumstance in 
which a child has a lost the 

732
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,240
natural family structure that 
God intended. 

733
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:29,680
I think that's important to 
state. 

734
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,400
Adoptions don't come from pretty
places. 

735
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,200
They come from really ugly, 
really messy places. 

736
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,640
The goal should ordinarily be to
restore as much of that 

737
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,320
structure as possible, not 
intentionally create another 

738
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,320
absence. 
I want to be sensitive when I 

739
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,160
say this. 
OK, this is again where I would 

740
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,240
distinguish single parent 
adoption from widowhood or 

741
00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:01,440
abandonment, or divorce or other
circumstances that leave someone

742
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,960
parenting alone. 
There is a massive difference 

743
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,800
between becoming a single parent
through circumstances outside 

744
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,240
your control and intentionally 
choosing at the outset to create

745
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,560
a household in which a child 
will have no father. 

746
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,360
The Bible's concern for the 
fatherless actually reinforces 

747
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,840
this. 
Like, I, I have no other way of 

748
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,160
putting this. 
Fatherlessness is being treated 

749
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,960
as a vulnerability to be cared 
for, not like some alternative 

750
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,480
family structure to be 
deliberately created. 

751
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,160
And I think that's a hard 
statement for me to, to make, 

752
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,840
but it's true. 
Psalm 68. 

753
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,160
I mean, it's the typical, it's 
the quintessential passage for 

754
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,360
that, a father of the 
fatherless, OK. 

755
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,160
It doesn't diminish fatherhood. 
It emphasizes how consequential 

756
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,560
the absence of a father actually
is. 

757
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,400
And I'm saying that with all the
sensitivity in the world, 

758
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,840
knowing who I'm saying this in 
front of James. 

759
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,360
Chapter 1 tells us to visit the 
fatherless and widows in their 

760
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,360
affliction. 
By the way, that's no small 

761
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,640
thing. 
People who mistreat widows who 

762
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,200
treat the fatherless with with 
anything other than visiting 

763
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,440
them in their affliction, God is
going to judge them. 

764
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,320
I think that absolutely 
establishes our responsibility 

765
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,720
toward children who are 
vulnerable and children who 

766
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,960
don't have a father are 
vulnerable. 

767
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,880
It it does not establish single 
parent adoption as the biblical 

768
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,560
model for accomplishing it. 
And I and, and I know that 

769
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,760
that's a hard thing for me to 
say. 

770
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,920
Now, I, I, I will, I will say 
this because it is important. 

771
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,880
There may be extraordinary 
circumstances where the 

772
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,240
alternatives are genuinely 
terrible and a single Christian 

773
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,920
adopting a particular child is 
clearly preferable to 

774
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,280
abandonment or instability or 
institutional care. 

775
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,160
I would be very hesitant to turn
an exceptional circumstance into

776
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,320
a general principle. 
That's the thing I need you to 

777
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,360
understand. 
Like I, it, it, that is the 

778
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,960
exception. 
It's not the rule. 

779
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,240
It's like the situation where 
you see examples in the Bible of

780
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:22,560
women taking on areas of 
spiritual leadership, but it 

781
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,080
wasn't because they were called 
to do it. 

782
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,320
It was because there was nobody 
else to do it. 

783
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,240
And I want to point this out 
like it's it's critical because 

784
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,320
look, we also have to address 
the issue that the inability to 

785
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,080
have biological children is a 
very heartbreaking issue. 

786
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,200
But that circumstance, and 
please bear with me, I'm doing 

787
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,720
this because I'm trying to be as
loving as I possibly can. 

788
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,920
That circumstance by itself 
doesn't change the biblical 

789
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:59,120
design of the family. 
OK, So I, I think that that's 

790
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,640
important. 
And I would also be very careful

791
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,920
with the argument that there are
not enough godly men in the 

792
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,600
church. 
OK, there there may be very 

793
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,120
legitimate frustrations in the 
whole Christian dating world, 

794
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,360
but difficulty finding a husband
does not give us authority to go

795
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,240
back and redesign God's pattern 
because his pattern has become 

796
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,720
difficult to obtain. 
I want to make that clear and I 

797
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,960
I don't want to judge you. 
I'm not doing that at all. 

798
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,560
The desire for motherhood is 
good. 

799
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,040
God put that in you. 
The The desire for marriage is 

800
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,440
good, God put that in you. 
It's beautiful. 

801
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,320
Adoption can be an 
extraordinarily beautiful 

802
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,800
expression of God's love. 
As a matter of fact, I can't 

803
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,880
wait to tell my children that 
God adopted me and that's why 

804
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,480
I'm honored to have adopted 
them. 

805
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,800
But none of those good desires 
automatically answers the 

806
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,080
question of whether they should 
be pursued in in in every 

807
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,480
circumstance, the child's 
interests have to have to come 

808
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,960
before the adults desire to 
become a parent. 

809
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,440
And this is where adoption takes
on a very scary turn because the

810
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:11,760
primary question cannot simply 
be, can I successfully raise the

811
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,280
child? 
The question should also be, am 

812
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,720
I deliberately placing this 
child into the family structure 

813
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:24,560
that most closely reflects what 
God's will is for that child? 

814
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,840
Now with that said, parenting is
self sacrificing and that's 

815
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,520
where it starts. 
I would never. 

816
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,360
I would never personally treat a
single woman wrestling with this

817
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,920
as selfish or or or less 
faithful. 

818
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,760
That's a ridiculous assertion to
make. 

819
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,120
But I would encourage persons 
struggling with this to keep 

820
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,160
asking the Lord right to to 
remain open to marriage and to 

821
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,960
refuse to make a permanent 
decision simply because you feel

822
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,200
like time is running out. 
And I don't blame you for 

823
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,720
feeling that way. 
I don't. 

824
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,400
Sometimes I think trusting God 
means refusing to manufacture an

825
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,720
answer to a very legitimate 
desire. 

826
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,080
OK, but because you haven't 
gotten an answer doesn't mean 

827
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,600
that you have the ability to put
that through. 

828
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,040
By the way, I would make this 
same argument on many other 

829
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,520
levels when it comes to 
adoption. 

830
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,600
And I know that there are people
who would adamantly disagree 

831
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,360
with me and I and I love them 
and God bless them. 

832
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,000
And it's not anything that I'm 
going to do to get in their 

833
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,560
face. 
But I will tell you this, I, I 

834
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,920
will take this one step further 
and I will simply say that when 

835
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,120
my wife, when my wife and I 
adopted our children, the first 

836
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,760
two children that we adopted 
came to us together. 

837
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,440
The older sister, the younger 
sister, one was 19 days old, the

838
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,920
other one was two years and 10 
months old. 

839
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:57,440
Whatever. 
We, Nicole already knew that she

840
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,160
was going to quit work, that it 
was, she was putting in a 

841
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,400
resignation. 
That was a lot of money coming 

842
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,280
into our household every year. 
But we didn't adopt our children

843
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,680
so that basically they would 
live in daycare. 

844
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,680
We knew that our children had to
fully experience everything that

845
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,040
God had made available to them 
in the family structure, which 

846
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,880
is why we wanted to preserve it.
It's that simple. 

847
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:30,520
So single woman adopting a 
child, I think in general, not a

848
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,760
good idea. 
There are some cases very 

849
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,320
nuanced where I think it's 
appropriate and it works and I 

850
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,120
totally understand it, 
especially in the foster system 

851
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,440
and some of the other things 
that are going on. 

852
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,400
But for the most part, I, I 
would, I would argue that it's 

853
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:48,400
not biblically ideal. 
I hope that was said sensitively

854
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,120
because I I know this is a tough
issue. 

855
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:58,680
It is, but it's you say it in a 
loving way and it's it's not 

856
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,520
easy. 
And I'm coming from the and, and

857
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,760
listen, Erica, I'm, I'm coming 
from the conviction of a man who

858
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,640
has spent thousands and 
thousands and thousands and 

859
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,320
thousands of hours in family 
counseling. 

860
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,760
I've counseled many families, 
you know, many couples. 

861
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,040
And you, you would be the first 
to be able to say this with, 

862
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,600
with clarity and with 
conviction. 

863
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,360
Parenting is not easy. 
It's an extraordinarily 

864
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,480
difficult process. 
And when you don't have the 

865
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,120
covering of your husband, it's 
so much harder. 

866
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,400
It's so much harder. 
And that's why I call single 

867
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,000
parents, single moms especially.
They're heroes. 

868
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,240
They're heroes. 
There's nothing easy about that.

869
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,400
Nothing. 
And I think any single mom would

870
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,560
tell any woman, single woman 
who's wanting to adopt A child, 

871
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,520
really weigh this, think through
it, because there are some gaps 

872
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,120
that are very, very difficult to
fill. 

873
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,120
And only by God's grace do they 
get filled. 

874
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,200
Amen. 
The next lifestyle question is 

875
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,600
from Sydney, she said. 
I recently came across a 

876
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:06,160
discussion about therapeutic 
forgiveness versus a more 

877
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,040
biblical view of forgiveness. 
The distinction made was that 

878
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,520
the idea of privately forgiving 
someone in your own heart 

879
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,680
without repentance or any 
interaction with the other 

880
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,320
person is a relatively modern 
understanding of forgiveness. 

881
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,280
Instead, it was argued that 
biblical forgiveness is 

882
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,720
relational and requires 
repentance from the person who 

883
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,920
has sinned against you. 
They compared this to God's 

884
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,160
forgiveness of us. 
God loves everyone and offers 

885
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,240
forgiveness, but forgiveness 
itself is connected to 

886
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:39,720
repentance. 
From that perspective, when 

887
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:44,000
someone has wronged us but has 
not repented, our responsibility

888
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,040
is still to release bitterness, 
anger, and the desire for 

889
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,520
personal vengeance to God, pray 
for that person, refused to 

890
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,560
gossip or harbor resentment, and
genuinely desire their 

891
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,720
repentance and restoration. 
However, they argued that actual

892
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:01,320
forgiveness cannot take place 
until the person repents. 

893
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,040
Does this understanding of 
forgiveness align with how you 

894
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,040
interpret Scripture? 
Is the distinction between 

895
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,720
releasing bitterness and 
actually forgiving someone 

896
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:19,160
biblically supported? 
OK, This is this is this is kind

897
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:25,040
of heavy. 
I'm being signaled by somebody 

898
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,560
here. 
Excuse me one second. 

899
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,080
Just give me, just give me one 
second. 

900
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,520
I'm so sorry. 
No, you're fine. 

901
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,440
This, this is just one second. 
I'm I'm very sorry. 

902
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,760
Hold on one second. 
I'm so sorry. 

903
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,880
This has never happened. 
My assistant will not signal me 

904
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,720
for some kind of an emergency if
it wasn't sorry. 

905
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,280
No one second. 
No, no, this is. 

906
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,960
Live What do you need quickly 
I'm on I'm on I'm. 

907
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,480
OK. 
Sorry. 

908
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,520
All right. 
That wasn't the emergency that I

909
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,320
thought it was my. 
God, that's OK, Call me on. 

910
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:23,880
Hey, sorry about that. 
OK. 

911
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,520
When the kids or anyone call, I 
answer first ring. 

912
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,560
Yeah, like I know, yeah, if it's
my wife, I'm picking up no 

913
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,280
problem. 
This was my assistant and he's 

914
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,560
like, we got to talk. 
We got to talk. 

915
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,360
I'm like, OK, all right. 
So it's it's about the car being

916
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,680
at the dealership. 
It's not. 

917
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:43,040
That's not an emergency. 
I mean in the. 

918
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,400
Eyes. 
Yeah, no, I get it. 

919
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,240
He's he's. 
Amazing, but OK. 

920
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:53,040
So for this one, it's just to 
recap, it's about forgiveness 

921
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,520
and if your forgiveness is truly
actually forgiveness if the 

922
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,720
other person does not repent. 
Yeah, I think the key is in the 

923
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:05,280
question the the the the last 
part of the question where it 

924
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,800
says something like the 
distinction between well, let me

925
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,640
let me go back. 
Can you read the last two? 

926
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,600
There's two questions that she 
asked at the very. 

927
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,120
End they They argued that actual
forgiveness cannot take place 

928
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,000
until the person repents. 
Does this understanding of 

929
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,160
forgiveness align with how you 
interpret Scripture? 

930
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,400
Is the distinction between 
releasing bitterness and 

931
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,760
actually forgiving someone 
biblically supported? 

932
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,400
OK, Yeah, I think that 
distinction is is, yeah, I. 

933
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,240
Think so? 
They're saying that the 

934
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:39,000
forgiveness, it requires someone
to repent. 

935
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,360
The person who has sinned 
against you, they need to repent

936
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,280
in order for the forgiveness. 
I guess it needs to be connected

937
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,240
to the repentance of. 
Yeah, I think what's happening 

938
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:52,920
is she's asking about the 
distinction. 

939
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,360
She's asking whether is the 
distinction between releasing 

940
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,800
bitterness and actually 
forgiving somebody. 

941
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,240
A biblically supported one 
involves the internal thought 

942
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,120
process. 
The other one involves how you 

943
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,280
extend yourself to the to the 
person. 

944
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,800
OK, so I do think that that 
distinction is substantially 

945
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,680
biblical as long as we actually 
define the terms very carefully.

946
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,640
OK, so let's just start with 
this. 

947
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:24,680
The Bible does not present 
forgiveness as a mere internal 

948
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,200
emotional release. 
That's just not true, OK? 

949
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,680
Biblical forgiveness is 
fundamentally relational, OK, 

950
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,560
And it's moral. 
It's not just therapeutic as as 

951
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,720
it's being defined here. 
Luke chapter 17 tells us this. 

952
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,480
If thy brother, that's the 
operative terminology, right? 

953
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,400
If thy brother trespass against 
thee, rebuke him, and if he 

954
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,520
repent, forgive him. 
So that verse directly connects 

955
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,640
forgiveness with repentance so 
that the pattern, this is the, 

956
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,120
this is the pattern and this is 
going to help people understand 

957
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:05,120
sin occurs, then the sin is 
confronted, repentance takes 

958
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,800
place, then forgiveness is 
extended. 

959
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:13,160
OK, That's very different from 
saying I privately forgave him 

960
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,280
in my heart even though he 
remains like completely 

961
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,920
unrepentant. 
That's not even reasonable. 

962
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,000
God's own forgiveness that he 
extends to us follows the same 

963
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,640
pattern, right? 
God is loving towards sinners 

964
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,480
before they repent. 
He's patient with us, you know, 

965
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,280
before we repent. 
He offers forgiveness to us 

966
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,440
before we repent. 
But God calls sinners to himself

967
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:40,320
before they actually repent, you
know, so, so that, that that's 

968
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,200
critical. 
Now, the actual application of 

969
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:49,480
forgiveness is, is critical 
because we put our faith and 

970
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,600
trust in Jesus. 
Then after we put our faith and 

971
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,360
trust in Jesus, there's an 
internal change that takes place

972
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,560
and repentance follows it. 
That's where this can get really

973
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:00,920
money. 
And this is where this could get

974
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,440
very, very critical, OK. 
The application of forgiveness 

975
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,840
is connected to not only 
repentance, but to faith, as I 

976
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,040
just mentioned. 
OK, so we see this, by the way, 

977
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,640
all over the Bible now. 
I think the same distinction can

978
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,080
help us understand what 
interpersonal forgiveness should

979
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,320
look like. 
As a Christian, if someone sins 

980
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,840
against me and refuses to 
repent, listen, I'm still 

981
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,040
commanded to do several things. 
I cannot feed into hatred. 

982
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,320
I can't seek personal vengeance 
or, you know, speak maliciously 

983
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,000
of the person or or rejoice in 
their downfall. 

984
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,840
Like I can't do any of those 
things, right. 

985
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,480
I should even pray for the 
repentance that that's a 

986
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,160
biblical model. 
I should certainly have a desire

987
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,280
in my heart that God is going to
have to build in my heart 

988
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,600
because I'm the kind of person 
that, you know, I'm not going to

989
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,400
be all sad when you hurt me. 
I'm going to be angry. 

990
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:53,840
You know, that's just the way I 
am. 

991
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,200
I'm, I'm not the type that, you 
know, wants to just, you know, 

992
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,280
end and defeat. 
I want to end to you and defeat.

993
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,200
You know what I mean? 
That's just my, my flesh, the 

994
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,120
evil James in me, right? 
So I should desire restoration 

995
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,200
wherever restoration is going to
be possible. 

996
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,720
But more importantly, it's my 
job to leave judgment with God. 

997
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,560
OK, Roman says it. 
Vengeance is mine, I'll repay, 

998
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,160
saith the Lord. 
We know that. 

999
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,280
Now this is where the idea of 
releasing bitterness is a very 

1000
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,640
biblical idea, right? 
Being bitter is like, look, 

1001
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,600
being bitter at somebody is like
drinking poison and expecting 

1002
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,040
the poison to kill that person. 
All he will do is hurt you. 

1003
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,280
Ephesians chapter 4 tells us 
that. 

1004
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,160
Let all bitterness and wrath and
anger and clamor, evil speaking,

1005
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,840
all that, let it be put away 
from you. 

1006
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,440
That's what it says. 
Releasing bitterness is not 

1007
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:48,080
necessarily identical in any way
to relational forgiveness. 

1008
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,160
They're very different, OK. 
Forgiveness in the biblical 

1009
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:55,520
sense involves the cancellation 
of a moral debt in a 

1010
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,520
relationship. 
That's why repentance matters. 

1011
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,760
I can't cancel a moral debt to 
somebody if they don't come to 

1012
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,160
me and ask me to cancel that 
moral debt. 

1013
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,200
And that's going to involve them
being repented. 

1014
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,400
If the offending person refuses 
to acknowledge that they've been

1015
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,000
wrong or rejects any kind of 
correction, they remain 

1016
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,120
committed to that offense. 
So the relationship is not 

1017
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,680
actually reconciled. 
It's not even actuated. 

1018
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,600
So this is also why forgiveness 
and reconciliation should not be

1019
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,720
collapsed into the same thing. 
They are very closely connected,

1020
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,320
but they're not the same thing. 
You, you can have a heart that 

1021
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,960
is completely free, a vengeance,
while still recognizing that 

1022
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,640
reconciliation has not occurred.
And even when you recognize 

1023
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,480
reconciliation has not occurred,
you have every right biblically 

1024
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,640
to demand justice in that 
context, including not limited 

1025
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,960
to all the things that God has 
made available in our laws of 

1026
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,520
the land to be able to 
effectuate these things. 

1027
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,560
You can desire someone's 
restoration while still 

1028
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,760
maintaining significant 
boundaries. 

1029
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,480
You can pray for someone very, 
very easily. 

1030
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,840
And you don't have to pretend 
that there's trust that's there 

1031
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,640
when there's no reason for that 
trust to be restored. 

1032
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,680
Like literally, you can be a 
person who rejects. 

1033
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,880
You know, the bitterness that 
you feel in your heart while 

1034
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,040
still calling what they've done 
evil. 

1035
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,800
That's that's the, the the the 
picture. 

1036
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:25,440
Look, Matthew 18 reinforces the 
rationale behind this kind of 

1037
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,080
pattern. 
Jesus gives a process for 

1038
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,160
confronting a brother who 
actually sins and he tells them,

1039
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,920
this is how you escalate it, 
right? 

1040
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,960
Contrary to popular belief, 
everybody, lots of pastors, they

1041
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,840
open up and pray. 
They say, Lord, we're two or 

1042
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,320
more gathered. 
You're here in the midst and we 

1043
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,520
know you're here because we're 
all here. 

1044
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:41,920
That's not what that passage 
means. 

1045
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,520
That passage gives us a 
mechanism of escalation in 

1046
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,800
confrontation when sin is 
actually being observed. 

1047
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:55,560
And that's a huge, huge deal. 
That's no small thing. 

1048
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,720
No, I, I would, I would just 
simply say this. 

1049
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,720
And it's, and it's critical, OK.
It's very, very critical. 

1050
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,720
There is a major problem also, 
and I don't want this to be 

1051
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,560
picked up. 
There's, there's a major problem

1052
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:12,680
with, with, and I've heard this 
being used before, right? 

1053
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,760
What they call the modern 
therapeutic model when it, when 

1054
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,720
it tells people that forgiveness
means pretending the 

1055
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,120
relationship is restored, 
regardless of any kind of 

1056
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,160
repentance, you'll actually 
damage somebody. 

1057
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,200
When you teach somebody to 
forgive when there has been no 

1058
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,200
repentance, you can actually 
hurt a person. 

1059
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,520
And I can make a biblical 
argument for that. 

1060
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:37,480
It's, it's, it's distinctly 
unbiblical to encourage somebody

1061
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,880
to forgive somebody who hasn't 
repented. 

1062
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,680
There's lots of people in my 
life that have remorse for the 

1063
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,400
things that they've done, but 
they haven't repented. 

1064
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:47,560
So you have to be very, very 
careful. 

1065
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,200
Now, I think in many cases that 
can become very, very dangerous,

1066
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,120
especially in cases of abuse. 
A victim can release hatred to 

1067
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,360
the Lord and saying Lord, I'm 
not going to hate this person 

1068
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,200
without completely giving that 
person access to abuse. 

1069
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,960
You don't want to give an abuser
any kind of access. 

1070
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,920
You can pray for an offender 
without trusting the offender. 

1071
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,760
If if that person did something 
evil to you, why would you give 

1072
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,240
them trust? 
They're evil people. 

1073
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:20,400
You if you're a victim, you can 
very, very easily, very, very 

1074
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:25,000
easily refuse the mechanism of 
personal revenge while still 

1075
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,800
reconciling. 
So I think that a victim can 

1076
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,800
very easily remain morally clean
before God without pretending 

1077
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:42,640
that some unrepentant evil man 
or woman has not repented. 

1078
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,000
It's they they haven't tried. 
Now with that said, I would also

1079
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,600
avoid making forgiveness like so
mechanical that you just have 

1080
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,920
like these these, you know, 
these levers that you pull. 

1081
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,400
OK, I think that the Christian 
posture, this is the biblical 

1082
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,240
position is that we should be 
ready to forgive. 

1083
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,880
OK, That's the that's the whole 
spirit behind Ephesians chapter 

1084
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,600
4, which is often times 
misquoted. 

1085
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,120
But Ephesians chapter 4, it says
forgiving one another even as 

1086
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,600
God for Christ's sake has 
forgiven you. 

1087
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,440
That's the picture that's being 
drawn. 

1088
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,840
So the heart should not be 
saying, I hope this person never

1089
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,680
repents so I can hold this 
against them. 

1090
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,760
Like, like we shouldn't be 
thinking that like that. 

1091
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,160
Our heart should be saying, 
look, I want repentance, I want 

1092
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,320
restoration and and I'm ready to
forgive when repentance is real.

1093
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,840
Like that's fine. 
But you don't have to be near 

1094
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,480
them. 
You don't have to trust them. 

1095
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,000
None of those are there. 
And I think that is the the 

1096
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,000
cleanest distinction. 
OK, bitterness has to be 

1097
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,600
released immediately. 
It's a biblical precedent. 

1098
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,840
Vengeance. 
It it belongs with the Lord. 

1099
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:49,920
OK, Love and prayer. 
Hey, all day, every day, pray 

1100
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,640
for these people, love these 
people. 

1101
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:57,280
Forgiveness in the full sense of
the relational aspect. 

1102
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,400
It's tied to repentance. 
It can't happen unless that that

1103
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,240
takes place. 
Reconciliation requires even 

1104
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:08,200
more because trust has to be 
restored and rebuilt over time. 

1105
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,360
And very rarely does that work 
within those those contexts. 

1106
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,320
I know pastors right now. 
I even know worship leaders who 

1107
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,960
are as dirty as dirty we'll get.
And you know what they will, 

1108
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,280
they will probably never repent 
in their lifetime. 

1109
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,080
And guess what? 
Not only will they not be 

1110
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,360
forgiven, but God is going to 
judge them in the most stringent

1111
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,600
ways. 
So it's not, it's not like, 

1112
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,680
well, I have to forgive you. 
No, I actually don't because 

1113
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,640
you're unrepentant. 
I refuse to be bitter. 

1114
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,280
I refuse to to walk in anger. 
I refuse to seek vengeance. 

1115
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,240
I'm going to let the Lord do 
that, but you're unrepentant. 

1116
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,720
So I think those were the there.
Those are where the distinctions

1117
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:47,640
are. 
I hope that makes sense. 

1118
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,200
Yeah, no, it does. 
It does. 

1119
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:56,360
OK, our next question, two of 
these are about reconciling 

1120
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,400
faith with science. 
Let me see here. 

1121
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:05,280
OK, so both Naya and Robin. 
Naya, I am a 15 year old in high

1122
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,680
school and as hard as it is, it 
can already feel to be a 

1123
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,120
Christian in public school. 
I always find myself also 

1124
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,560
questioning in history when they
bring up how there's evidence 

1125
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,560
that the earth is a billion 
years old, how they have 

1126
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:25,000
something in my eye, how there's
a billion years old. 

1127
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,080
She just lost it. 
OK. 

1128
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,840
How they have rocks that prove 
the earth has been here for 

1129
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,160
billions of years, but the Bible
says the earth is around 6000 

1130
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,000
years old. 
I just would like help 

1131
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,320
understanding Robin. 
My husband and I have a kind of 

1132
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,880
sweet teenage, a kind and sweet 
teenage son who's 14. 

1133
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,240
We are a Christ loving family 
and have a wonderful church we 

1134
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,520
attend. 
My son who has recently 

1135
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,240
expressed disbelief in God and 
is questioning a lot of what he 

1136
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,720
is hearing in church versus 
science. 

1137
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,280
As parents, this is breaking our
heart. 

1138
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,680
Do you have any advice on how we
approach this and help guide his

1139
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,280
heart and mind? 
Which then on the theme of 

1140
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,520
science, Kate makes me laugh 
with her little notes. 

1141
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:07,480
Judy and Bruce also threw in 
there about the news of the Ark 

1142
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:12,360
that was recently discovered and
verified. 

1143
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:14,680
It's a big deal. 
Yeah. 

1144
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,680
Do you think God will allow that
discovery? 

1145
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,720
So let's just hop into the 
science theme of. 

1146
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:21,760
OK. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1147
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:28,960
So, so I'm going, I'm going to 
make a list for you here of why 

1148
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,640
the Bible lines up perfectly 
with science. 

1149
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,960
We're we're going to do that in 
just a minute because there are 

1150
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,200
some very, very good things to 
go by that are clear and 

1151
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,320
distinct, that shows us biblical
evidence for why science was 

1152
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,080
actually created by God. 
It is not a construct of man to 

1153
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,400
use as an excuse to defer 
themselves from their love of 

1154
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,200
God or the worship of God. 
And it's important. 

1155
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:53,680
We're going to go over that in 
just a second. 

1156
01:06:54,520 --> 01:07:00,000
With that said, let me just 
simply say that the bigger issue

1157
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:05,480
here has to be recognizing that 
God is the creator of the 

1158
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,120
universe. 
You either believe it or you 

1159
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:14,320
don't. 
It is it is absurd to to believe

1160
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:19,880
what the world says is a 
construct of our creation based 

1161
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,440
on a series of things that can't
even be reproduced in the 

1162
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,960
laboratory. 
It doesn't even follow the 

1163
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,720
scientific method. 
OK, Now with that said, I come 

1164
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,680
from a family of scientists, OK?
And and this is very, very 

1165
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,760
important. 
My brother does like bleeding 

1166
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,240
edge diabetes research, 
graduated from Drew Medical. 

1167
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,200
My sister-in-law said, look, I 
have a lot of scientists in my 

1168
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,920
family, mostly doctors, believe 
it or not, in my family. 

1169
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:52,520
So I'm going to tell you that I 
value science in some pretty 

1170
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,840
significant ways. 
Let me just address this first. 

1171
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:03,160
Science is, is simply the study 
of order, OK? 

1172
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:07,960
It it, it, it studies laws and 
structure and processes that God

1173
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,480
built into creation. 
The Bible presents a universe 

1174
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:16,640
that is actually ordered, that's
intelligible, that's governed by

1175
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,319
consistent laws. 
Yes, scientific laws. 

1176
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,439
And that's precisely what makes 
scientific investigation 

1177
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:29,760
possible in the 1st place. 
If you if you did not understand

1178
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,399
the premise that the universe is
ordered, intelligible, and 

1179
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:37,279
governed by consistent laws, 
then science should doesn't even

1180
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:40,880
exist, because science is 
predicated upon understanding 

1181
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,880
that. 
OK, so science depends upon the 

1182
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,920
assumption that nature behaves 
consistently enough to actually 

1183
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,720
be observable, to be tested, to 
be measured and understood. 

1184
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,040
That's where we get the 
scientific method from. 

1185
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:59,560
The Bible tells us why that 
consistency exists. 

1186
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,680
It says creation reflects the 
order and faithfulness of its 

1187
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,120
creator. 
Psalm 19 makes it very, very 

1188
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,160
clear. 
What does it say? 

1189
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:11,160
The heavens declare the glory of
God. 

1190
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,680
OK, the firmament showeth his 
handiwork. 

1191
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,760
That's the beauty of that 
expression. 

1192
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,640
Romans chapter one, what does it
say? 

1193
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:23,840
It talks about God's eternal 
power and Godhead and and and 

1194
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:28,000
and and are understood through 
notice this, the things that are

1195
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,359
made. 
So studying creation is, is not 

1196
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:35,319
inherently an attempt to escape 
God. 

1197
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:38,359
That's that's a ridiculous way 
of looking at it. 

1198
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,840
If you understand it, property. 
I said property. 

1199
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,800
If you understand it properly, 
OK. 

1200
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,120
It's the study of what God has 
made and how he has made it 

1201
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,880
function so. 
So the conflict doesn't arise 

1202
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:59,720
between the Bible and genuine 
scientific observation. 

1203
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:04,800
The conflict usually arises in 
the interpretation of evidence, 

1204
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,320
especially when philosophical 
assumptions are added to the 

1205
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,760
scientific data. 
And we live in a world where all

1206
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,600
kinds of philosophical 
assumptions are added to 

1207
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,840
scientific data. 
If you don't believe me, go 

1208
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,920
listen to Richard Dawkins talk 
for five seconds, OK? 

1209
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,360
You're, you're going to, you're 
going to easily be able to see 

1210
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,520
it. 
Science can tell us the things 

1211
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:30,040
that are, as I said before, 
observed, measured, repeatable. 

1212
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,320
That's why we talk about being 
able to repeat the things that 

1213
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,560
we observe. 
That's how things go from 

1214
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,160
theories to laws, OK? 
Science becomes something 

1215
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,040
different, and I mean it when I 
say this. 

1216
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:44,240
It becomes something different 
when someone moves from those 

1217
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:50,840
very clearly uniform, 
identifiable observations to the

1218
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:56,280
philosophical conclusion that 
God is unnecessary or does not 

1219
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,200
exist. 
And I think that's where the big

1220
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:04,000
leap happens. 
OK, that conclusion is not a a a

1221
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,000
scientific measurement. 
That conclusion is a worldview. 

1222
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,360
There's no science in saying 
there is no God. 

1223
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:16,680
There's science doesn't do that.
The Christian should never be 

1224
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:21,000
afraid If you're a believer, you
should never be afraid of of 

1225
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,960
genuine scientific discovery 
because truth ultimately belongs

1226
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,640
to God. 
God is the creator of it. 

1227
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,800
And if God created the universe 
and God gave us his word, then 

1228
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,880
properly understood creation and
properly understood Bible truth 

1229
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,640
will never ultimately contradict
one another. 

1230
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,040
They're always, if you 
understand creation as it sits 

1231
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,160
scientifically and you 
understand what the Bible says 

1232
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,000
about creation, they're never 
going to contradict. 

1233
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,280
As a matter of fact, they're 
going to be verified. 

1234
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,680
And look, we've got plenty of 
examples of this. 

1235
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,840
We, we talk about the Earth 
being round. 

1236
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,720
We didn't believe the earth was 
round until a couple of 100 

1237
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,960
years ago, actually 1492. 
Columbus sailed the ocean blue. 

1238
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,240
And then we validated what the 
Bible already said. 

1239
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,280
The Bible doesn't need 
validation, but you get the 

1240
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,560
idea. 
The more interesting discussion 

1241
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,120
here is not whether Christians 
should accept science. 

1242
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,760
Of course we should. 
It's a construct of what God has

1243
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,000
given us. 
The question is where scientific

1244
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,280
observation ends and 
philosophical interpretation 

1245
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,680
begins. 
That's where your teacher is 

1246
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,400
airing. 
Your teacher is making the error

1247
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:31,960
because they're identifying what
they perceive as being the end 

1248
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,960
of scientific observation and 
then bringing in their 

1249
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:39,080
scientifically bogus, their 
empty philosophical 

1250
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:40,960
interpretation. 
Francis Schaefer used to talk 

1251
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,000
about this all the time. 
Very, very good Christian 

1252
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:47,160
philosopher. 
I think that if you're going to 

1253
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,080
look at some of the strongest 
biblical and scientific 

1254
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,640
evidence, that's where it 
becomes the most useful, because

1255
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:57,400
there are many features that 
exist within the universe and 

1256
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:01,880
life itself that point toward 
extraordinary order. 

1257
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:05,000
It gives us evidence of 
information and design and 

1258
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,160
purpose. 
Like I'll give you an example of

1259
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,360
this, right? 
Like this watch. 

1260
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:14,240
It's an Apple Watch. 
It is filled with sophisticated 

1261
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:19,120
technology, amazing circuitry. 
It has things on it that are 

1262
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,000
absolutely unique. 
If I told you that this watch 

1263
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:26,400
evolved over a million years, 
you would laugh at my face. 

1264
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:30,080
The watch bears the mark of its 
maker and designer. 

1265
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,200
It gives us evidence of the 
manufacture of all the pieces, 

1266
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,960
and no real scientist would ever
accept the premise that this 

1267
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,960
watch evolved over a million 
years. 

1268
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:46,400
Yet the circuitry that's in the 
hand that this watch sits on is 

1269
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,960
a million times more complicated
to the point where we have still

1270
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,200
not been able to replicate it. 
That's why we call things 

1271
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,000
artificial intelligence. 
We haven't gotten there yet. 

1272
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,400
So how is it that you could say 
it's absurd that this would form

1273
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,520
over a million years, yet make 
the argument that it has to be 

1274
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:07,040
that this, that's far more 
complicated, actually formed 

1275
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,400
over that time? 
Again, what you're looking at is

1276
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:14,320
you are looking at an observable
moment where scientific 

1277
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,600
observation has stopped and 
philosophical interpretation has

1278
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,040
has begun. 
You are looking at a Christian 

1279
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:25,680
who has, or a teacher who has an
inherently anti Christian 

1280
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,800
worldview. 
And that's what the real issue 

1281
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:32,120
is about. 
So what is the, you know, what 

1282
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:36,360
is the, the, the Christian view 
on scientific discovery? 

1283
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,840
Well, we should welcome it 
because again, the Bible says 

1284
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,080
that heaven declared the glory 
of God. 

1285
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:46,440
And if I were to give you like 
one line with the with the 

1286
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:48,840
question from the 15 year old, 
if I were to give like one 

1287
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,120
sentence to summarize, you know,
like the like, if you were to 

1288
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:57,280
write it down and it was like 
the say all and end all answer 

1289
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:01,680
to that question, the the way 
that I would actually word it is

1290
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,200
simple. 
Christians should welcome 

1291
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,960
scientific discovery because 
every truth we uncover about 

1292
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:13,200
creation ultimately reveals more
about the wisdom, the order and 

1293
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,480
the glory of God who actually 
created it. 

1294
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:19,760
And that's what you want to coin
for the answer. 

1295
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,680
And so with respect to the earth
being billions of years old 

1296
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,280
versus 6000 years old, there's a
lot of argument over of a 

1297
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,400
radiometric dating. 
And this is where they come the 

1298
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,840
billion years old arguments. 
We get the 6000 years old 

1299
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,960
because of the history that we 
can trace to the timeline that 

1300
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,040
we find in the Bible. 
I do think that God, personally,

1301
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,920
my view is God created the earth
as just like God created man 

1302
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,440
aged, I think God probably 
created the earth aged. 

1303
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,400
I don't know that for sure. 
These are assumptions that I'm 

1304
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,000
making, but I do think the earth
is young. 

1305
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,080
I just think it was created 
maturely and that that falls in 

1306
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,040
line with forming and fashing 
and all that kind of thing. 

1307
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:57,920
Are you ready to go down a 
rabbit hole? 

1308
01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:02,360
We have a YouTube reader that 
wants to talk about Flat Earth. 

1309
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,280
I don't know if we have time for
this well. 

1310
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,120
Listen, listen. 
The look the OK, Let let me let 

1311
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:14,080
me let me let me just say this, 
OK, Well, I don't. 

1312
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,080
Know yeah, I'm leaving this up 
to you. 

1313
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:19,760
I mean we have 1/2 hour left and
my son might run in here any 

1314
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,640
minute with all his different 
toys. 

1315
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,200
So whatever you you choose, 
you're going to steer the ship 

1316
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:29,320
on this one about the flutters. 
In in the most brief terms 

1317
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:33,560
possible, let me give you 
biblical evidence for there not 

1318
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,840
being a Flat Earth. 
I can establish biblically. 

1319
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,840
Forget what we already know, 
forget the fact that we see all 

1320
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,920
these pictures and like we know 
what science teaches us. 

1321
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,200
Let me just tell you the 
biblical evidence in the most 

1322
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,640
brief way possible. 
The biblical evidence of the 

1323
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,880
fact that we're not dealing with
a Flat Earth. 

1324
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:57,320
OK, and and, and by the way, 
it's simple, OK, Isaiah chapter 

1325
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,280
40 verse 22. 
And I know these because I argue

1326
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,880
these all the time. 
OK, look what it says. 

1327
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,720
God sitteth upon what? 
The circle of the earth. 

1328
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,400
OK. 
The earth is described as having

1329
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,880
curvature. 
OK, not as a flat plain. 

1330
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:16,240
Job chapter 26. 
He stretches out the north over 

1331
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,520
the empty place and hangeth the 
earth upon nothing. 

1332
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,160
OK, the, the, the picture is 
that the earth is suspended in 

1333
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,040
space. 
That's what it says. 

1334
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,120
It's not resting upon literal 
pillars of foundation that the 

1335
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:32,400
flat earthers say exist here. 
OK Job 26 same passage. 

1336
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:37,440
He have come past the waters 
with bounds until the day and 

1337
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:42,400
might come to an end. 
That language describes a a, a 

1338
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:46,760
literal boundary between light 
and darkness that is associated 

1339
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:52,160
with a round earth. 
OK Luke chapter 17, When Christ 

1340
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:53,880
describes his return, what does 
he say? 

1341
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,440
He says some people are sleeping
at night while others are 

1342
01:17:56,440 --> 01:18:00,320
engaged in daytime activity. 
OK, that's exactly what we 

1343
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:04,280
expect living in a globe, OK, 
living in the earth. 

1344
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:09,760
Matthew 24 says that same uses 
terminology that gives us the 

1345
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,560
same kind of indication from one
end of heaven to the other. 

1346
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,000
Now, I know that people will 
talk about the four corners, but

1347
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,520
let me just give you that 
qualification because that's 

1348
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,440
what the flat earthers will say.
They'll say, well, the Bible 

1349
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,440
speaks about, you know, four 
corners. 

1350
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,840
And look, let me let me just 
simply say this. 

1351
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:35,400
The Bible never sets out to 
teach a scientific model of, of 

1352
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:40,080
the earth's shape, OK? 
Expressions such as four corners

1353
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:44,360
of the earth are ordinarily 
figures of speech that represent

1354
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,000
extremities or directions of the
earth. 

1355
01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:51,400
And that's, that's all it's 
saying there. 

1356
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,720
Now, the instant, the thing that
when when I bring up the 

1357
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,680
argument that the Bible never 
sets out to teach a scientific 

1358
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,200
model of the earth's shape, then
the then the flat earthers will 

1359
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,080
say, well, that's exactly right.
So then you can't use those 

1360
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,400
passages that you just shared to
argue that the earth is round. 

1361
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,680
So how do you answer that? 
What do you say in the most 

1362
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,320
simple way possible? 
Well, the answer is actually 

1363
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,040
pretty. 
It's pretty profoundly simple. 

1364
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:23,880
OK, the Bible doesn't have to be
a science textbook for its 

1365
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,000
descriptions of the physical 
world to be true. 

1366
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,480
One is metaphorically used and 
that's, that's the, the, the 

1367
01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:33,360
thing. 
In other words, there's a 

1368
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:37,800
difference between saying the 
Bible's purpose is not to teach 

1369
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,720
the shape of the earth and 
saying therefore what the Bible 

1370
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,360
says about the physical world 
tells us you know nothing about 

1371
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:45,440
it. 
That's what I would say. 

1372
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:50,160
So I know that people are not 
going to like that. 

1373
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:51,960
The flat earthers are not going 
to like it. 

1374
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,880
But the most simple answer to 
that is the Bible doesn't set 

1375
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,280
out to teach astronomy, but 
whenever it speaks about the 

1376
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,280
physical world. 
What it says is true. 

1377
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:06,280
So the purpose and accuracy are 
two completely different 

1378
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,160
questions, but they all in 
essence bring us to the same 

1379
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,040
conclusion. 
And that's the truth. 

1380
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,560
Again, the Bible confirms it. 
It's that simple. 

1381
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,360
It's that simple. 
OK, that was a great rabbit 

1382
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,840
hole. 
Back to the lifestyle questions.

1383
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,160
We'll leave it at that. 
I know people get people get 

1384
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:24,960
very the the whole Flat Earth 
thing. 

1385
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,160
Watch, we'll get some crazy like
we'll and and we'll get some, 

1386
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:30,520
we'll get some bad. 
Push back on that. 

1387
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:31,880
Bring it on. 
But what are you going to do? 

1388
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:33,560
Yeah, I know, I know. 
What are you going to do? 

1389
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:37,680
OK Elizabeth, my parents are 
walking towards a divorce. 

1390
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,400
Both of my parents are 
believers, but my mom has lost 

1391
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,200
trust. 
We have seen the Lord work in 

1392
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:46,240
amazing ways and my dad since 
their separation, but my mom has

1393
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,160
a fleece before the Lord, as 
Gideon did. 

1394
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,200
I feel uneasy about it because 
it feels like a testing of God. 

1395
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,160
Do you have any wisdom about 
whether or not fleeces and 

1396
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,880
quotation marks are a testing of
God or biblically sound in our 

1397
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,400
day? 
Totally separate note on this. 

1398
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,520
I got a message from Kate saying
that one of our readers really 

1399
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:09,160
appreciated your comment on 
forgiveness and was wondering if

1400
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,640
you knew of any book 
recommendations for forgiveness.

1401
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,480
You know what I would do? 
I would go through my series on 

1402
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:20,720
1st John where I talk about this
extensively because I spend a 

1403
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,440
lot of time on on the theme of 
that. 

1404
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:26,960
That I think is that I think is 
really, really good and and 

1405
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,880
deals with it at A at a pretty 
profound level. 

1406
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,680
That's where I got a lot of that
thinking from my my teaching on 

1407
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:33,240
1st, Sean. 
OK. 

1408
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:36,560
So that. 
Would probably be. 

1409
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:38,960
OK, cool. 
That would that would probably 

1410
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,840
be the place. 
Just just go over there and grab

1411
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,840
it. 
OK, so back to do you have any 

1412
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:48,480
wisdom about whether or not 
fleeces are a testing of God or 

1413
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:51,320
biblically sound in our day? 
Yeah. 

1414
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:55,040
OK, So I'd be very careful about
using Gideon's fleece as a model

1415
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,400
for determining God's will. 
OK. 

1416
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,640
I mean, just just plain and 
simple, the Bible records 

1417
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,240
Gideon's fleece, but it never 
commands us to imitate it. 

1418
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,360
By the way, Gideon's fleece, I 
think is bet is a better 

1419
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,840
argument for scientific method. 
That's a whole other story, 

1420
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,480
testing things. 
It's it's kind of an interesting

1421
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,040
kind of an interesting thing 
because what Gideon is actually 

1422
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:16,880
doing is he's he's putting out 
the fleece to make sure that 

1423
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:18,560
it's God's voice. 
It's actually speaking to him. 

1424
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:19,960
He already knows what God's told
him to do. 

1425
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:24,560
He's confirming whether or not 
it was indeed what what the 

1426
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,400
story was. 
He wasn't putting all the, the 

1427
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,920
variables together. 
In fact, well, like I said 

1428
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,800
before, Gideon already knew what
God had told him to do. 

1429
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,480
And, and all he was trying to do
is just simply make sure that it

1430
01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:38,560
was God. 
Same thing with Jeremiah. 

1431
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,280
We see Jeremiah doing the same 
thing. 

1432
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:44,520
And, and what that means is that
that fleece was not primarily 

1433
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:48,600
Gideon's or Gideon discovering 
God's will. 

1434
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,320
It was Gideon asking God to 
reassure him about something God

1435
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,720
had already told him. 
So, but I will also tell you 

1436
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,120
this, I think this is a very 
important ad here. 

1437
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,360
There is a danger in saying, 
God, if you want me to do this, 

1438
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,120
make this particular thing 
happen, I think we can end up 

1439
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:10,760
creating a test that God never 
promised to satisfy and then 

1440
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,200
treating the result as though 
God spoke. 

1441
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,560
I think the answer to this is 
critical. 

1442
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,720
It's Proverbs chapter 3, verse 
five and six. 

1443
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,200
It says this trust the Lord with
all your heart. 

1444
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,840
Don't lean on your own 
understanding in all your ways. 

1445
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,160
Acknowledge him and he will 
direct your paths and then it 

1446
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,920
goes on later on to say be not 
wise and thine own eyes fear 

1447
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,320
fear the Lord depart from evil 
very heavy. 

1448
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:37,200
So the the rule is trust the 
Lord acknowledge him in every 

1449
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:41,720
step and then let God guide you.
James chapter 1 tells us verse 

1450
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,680
five to ask God for wisdom. 
Neither tells us to manufacture 

1451
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,640
signs, which is really, really 
important now, especially with 

1452
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:53,640
something as serious as divorce.
I would never, never allow an 

1453
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:57,160
arbitrary sign or a fleece to 
carry more authority than what 

1454
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:00,120
God has already told me in His 
body, in His Word. 

1455
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:05,640
A fleece asks God to confirm His
will through circumstances, but 

1456
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,080
biblical wisdom is a completely 
different story. 

1457
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:12,480
Biblical wisdom asks whether our
decision agrees with what God 

1458
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:16,120
has already said in His Word. 
I think in this situation I 

1459
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:22,000
would pray for your mother. 
Give her room to process the 

1460
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,640
trust that's been broken, 
because that's no small thing. 

1461
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,640
That is a big deal. 
And, and, and, and pray that the

1462
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,440
genuine changes that you're 
seeing in your Father will 

1463
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:33,840
actually continue, because 
that's where it starts. 

1464
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,120
It goes back to the 
reconciliation forgiveness 

1465
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,760
question that we had answered 
earlier, OK, Real repentance 

1466
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:45,240
demonstrated consistently over 
time is far more meaningful, 

1467
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,480
whether or not a fleece gets 
fulfilled. 

1468
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,720
So pray for that and, and, and 
watch the Lord do that work. 

1469
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,280
And it, by the way, just a word 
of encouragement. 

1470
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:59,000
I've watched God reconcile so 
many marriages on so many levels

1471
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,680
over real, true, genuine 
repentance. 

1472
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:09,080
OK, so that's what we pray for. 
Raymond The next two questions 

1473
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,320
are similar about staying 
encouraged through depression. 

1474
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,680
Caitlin and Sydney. 
Caitlin says I often go through 

1475
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,560
seasons of depression. 
It is often so hard to mentally 

1476
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,520
work my way out of them. 
The only thing that sometimes 

1477
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,840
helps is making an effort to be 
grateful to God. 

1478
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,240
Do you have any other 
suggestions that could help? 

1479
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,720
When my mood gets so low that 
it's hard to think positive and 

1480
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,680
be motivated to do anything? 
Sydney asks. 

1481
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,600
What are some of your most 
favorite Bible verses or words 

1482
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,120
of God that you turn to when 
you're feeling down in the dumps

1483
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,360
or overwhelmed with emotion? 
Yeah, yeah. 

1484
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:46,920
OK, So the boy, my goodness, 
there's so many there's. 

1485
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:51,200
Charlie loves 12/1 Romans. 12/1 
Romans 12/1 yeah. 

1486
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,760
Renewing of your minds. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1487
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,680
Do not be, do not be conformed 
to this world to be transformed 

1488
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,680
by the renewing of your, your, 
your mind. 

1489
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,520
And and it talks about living 
sacrificially as being our 

1490
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,720
reasonable service. 
I think it's it's beautiful. 

1491
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,720
OK, let, let, let let's get past
some real basic issues first. 

1492
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,720
OK, first and foremost, I would 
not, let me say that again, 

1493
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,200
would not make thinking 
positive. 

1494
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:22,560
Think positively the goal. 
OK, the Bible gives us something

1495
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,440
much stronger than positive 
thinking. 

1496
01:26:24,440 --> 01:26:25,720
Although positive thinking can 
be great. 

1497
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:27,640
The Bible says think on all 
these wonderful things. 

1498
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,360
Nothing wrong with that. 
It gives us the Bible, gives us 

1499
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:35,000
truth that remains true 
regardless of the emotion we're 

1500
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:39,160
experiencing in the moment. 
Depression can make feelings 

1501
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:43,720
incredibly persuasive. 
You can feel abandoned without 

1502
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:49,200
actually being truly abandoned. 
You can feel hopeless while 

1503
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,320
tremendous reasons for hope 
actually still exist. 

1504
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:58,120
Your emotions are real, but they
are often times liars. 

1505
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:00,320
All of our emotions are that 
way. 

1506
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,120
I love what David does and this 
goes to one of my favorites, 

1507
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:08,800
right David in Psalm 42, I just 
talked through this by the way, 

1508
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:14,200
in verse 5 he says why art thou 
cast down O my soul and why art 

1509
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,960
thou disquieted in me? 
And then look at the command he 

1510
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,280
gives his own self. 
He says hope thou in God. 

1511
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:25,200
Do you notice that David talks 
back to his own emotions here? 

1512
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:26,840
That's not crazy talk, by the 
way. 

1513
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:31,240
He acknowledges what he feels 
without allowing the feeling to 

1514
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:35,080
have the final word. 
And, and I think gratitude is 

1515
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:39,800
powerful for exactly that 
reason. 

1516
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:45,080
Erica and I have a mutual friend
that at the courthouse. 

1517
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,360
I just love this guy. 
I love him because of just how 

1518
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:54,160
how how positive he is, but the 
positivity that he expresses is 

1519
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:56,040
through his gratitude. 
Matter of fact, a few guys that 

1520
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:59,880
are this way, I just I love it. 
I love his heart. 

1521
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,960
I love, I love the mind that he 
has. 

1522
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,680
Why? 
Because when you walk with 

1523
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:10,720
gratitude, it forces your mind 
to remember what what pain can 

1524
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,400
temporarily make us forget, 
right? 

1525
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,720
Like you have pain right now, 
but but the reality of it is 

1526
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:21,000
God's given you so much and 
gratitude helps you like 

1527
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,960
recognize that sometimes the 
most spiritual thing that you 

1528
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:28,360
can do is, and this is big, 
right? 

1529
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:33,480
Just call somebody who loves you
like get outside, move your 

1530
01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:38,040
body, eat something, sleep. 
Vitamin D get your blood, get 

1531
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,240
your blood drawn, see what you 
like actually need for your 

1532
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:42,920
system. 
It could be so much more than 

1533
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:47,400
just you know, I'm not feeling 
but myself today like you might 

1534
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:48,560
have. 
You might even have an 

1535
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:52,760
autoimmune issue like there's, 
there's so many components to 

1536
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,680
it. 
I mean, even the even POTS has 

1537
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,440
been something that's really 
been going around a lot. 

1538
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:04,120
There's so many components to to
all of this that there's yeah, 

1539
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,800
there's a lot of layers, so. 
I mean, Erica, think about this.

1540
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:11,800
You're 100% right. 
Think about Elijah in First 

1541
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,160
Kings 19. 
Elijah freaks out. 

1542
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:19,520
He he becomes profoundly 
discouraged after what happens 

1543
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,920
on Mount Carmel and literally 
starts losing his mind. 

1544
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:27,400
He gets so upset he actually 
asked God to take his life. 

1545
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:31,800
And you know what? 
God's response to him is his. 

1546
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,760
His response is not a lecture. 
His response is get some sleep, 

1547
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,600
Elijah. 
And Elijah sleeps, he eats, he 

1548
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:43,200
goes back to sleep and then God 
deals with him spiritually. 

1549
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:47,720
So even sometimes physical 
exhaustion and emotional 

1550
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,400
exhaustion can like they, they 
can be intertwined. 

1551
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,600
So that's what's happening. 
And look, these seasons are 

1552
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,760
recurring it look it often times
they can be. 

1553
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:03,240
But if they become severe or 
they're interfering in, in any 

1554
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:07,280
way substantially with, you 
know, like normal life, go talk 

1555
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:11,960
to some, go talk to somebody 
close to you that's qualified to

1556
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:15,480
hold your hand and, and, and and
can and can walk with you. 

1557
01:30:15,480 --> 01:30:18,120
By the way, doing that is not 
evidence of a weak faith. 

1558
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:22,440
Doing that is evidence of a 
stronger faith, right versus OK,

1559
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,480
the Psalm 4211 of my favorite, 
why art thou cast down all my 

1560
01:30:25,480 --> 01:30:27,120
soul? 
Psalm 34. 

1561
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,800
Oh my goodness, the Lord is 
close to them. 

1562
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,600
That has a broken heart. 
So many of the Psalms, by the 

1563
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,440
way, my favorite 1 and I, I told
myself I wouldn't say it, but I 

1564
01:30:36,440 --> 01:30:38,240
will because my mom used to say 
it all the time. 

1565
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:44,000
She would say cast, cast thy 
burden upon the Lord because he,

1566
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,680
he'll sustain you. 
He cares about you, right? 

1567
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,240
First Peter says something very 
similar. 

1568
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,040
I think he was inspired by the 
Psalms. 

1569
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:54,160
You know, my mom was inspired by
by Peter casting all your care 

1570
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:54,920
upon him. 
Why? 

1571
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:59,560
Because he cares about you. 
What are we told to do with 

1572
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:03,200
Thanksgiving? 
We we make our, our hearts, our 

1573
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,560
request be made known unto Lord,
to the Lord. 

1574
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:09,120
And what the peace of God will 
guard our hearts and our mind? 

1575
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,280
That's Philippians chapter 4, 
verses 6 and seven. 

1576
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,760
Of course, I think I would be 
derelict if I did not mention 

1577
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,440
Second Corinthians chapter 4. 
What? 

1578
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,800
We're trouble on every side, yet
what? 

1579
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,720
Yet we're not distressed. 
We're perplexed, but not in 

1580
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,760
despair. 
We're cast down, but literally 

1581
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:28,760
not destroyed. 
Why? 

1582
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,640
Because the God of heaven is 
with us. 

1583
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,560
But how about this one? 
How about the one that my mom 

1584
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,920
loves so much and I still love 
and me and Charlie used to talk 

1585
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:41,200
about all the time. 
OK, Romans 838 and 39 Nothing 

1586
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,120
shall be able to separate us 
from the love of God, which is 

1587
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,600
what, which is in Christ Jesus 
our Lord. 

1588
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:52,760
Those are some of my my favorite
and and when you for whatever 

1589
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,560
reason, feel like you can't 
control what you feel, anchor 

1590
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,680
yourself in what you do know, 
right. 

1591
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:00,960
Hold fast to what you know is 
true. 

1592
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:03,560
The Lord is still good. 
His word is still true. 

1593
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,600
It's not going anywhere. 
His promises are real. 

1594
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,160
God doesn't hold back his 
promises. 

1595
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,200
They haven't moved. 
Your emotions might be screaming

1596
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:15,840
like mine do sometimes, but they
don't get the final word. 

1597
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:18,960
God does, and you can find 
encouragement and strengthen 

1598
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:20,160
that. 
Amen. 

1599
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,880
Teresa asks. 
When it comes to unanswered 

1600
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:27,040
prayer, how do you know the 
difference between God's weight 

1601
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,840
and timing and God's judgment? 
Because there is disobedience 

1602
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:38,160
that you have not corrected. 
OK, so you, you kind of have to 

1603
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,280
deal with this in a, in a few 
different parts. 

1604
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:44,240
OK, And and it is important. 
First, let's just state the 

1605
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,560
obvious, right? 
Unanswered prayer is not 

1606
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,160
automatically evidence of 
judgment. 

1607
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,600
Matter of fact, I would argue 
that God answers every prayer. 

1608
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,520
He answers it with yes, no, or 
we're waiting. 

1609
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,360
OK. 
Some of the most faithful people

1610
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:59,880
in the Bible waited for a very 
long time to hear from the Lord 

1611
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:01,800
about things that they had 
actually prayed for. 

1612
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:06,840
Not the same time. 
Look, the Bible is very clear 

1613
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:14,120
that if you have deliberate 
unrepented sin, it's going to 

1614
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,120
affect your prayer life. 
OK? 

1615
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:21,760
Psalm 66 actually says it. 66 
verse 18 If I regard iniquity in

1616
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:23,800
my heart, the Lord will not hear
me. 

1617
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,400
That's that applies to us. 
That's critical. 

1618
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:31,640
First, John 19 gives us the 
answer to that problem. 

1619
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,280
It says, what if we confess our 
sins? 

1620
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:36,280
What He's faithful and just to 
forgive us our sins and cleanse 

1621
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,440
us from all unrighteousness? 
That's the that's the picture. 

1622
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:43,760
So we have to understand that 
James even tells us, like in 

1623
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:47,560
James chapter 4, he says 
sometimes the the problem that 

1624
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:51,000
we have when things miss out is 
that our motive is broken. 

1625
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,480
He says you ask and receive not 
because you ask amiss, meaning 

1626
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:57,480
your motives were were jacked up
when you chose to ask that 

1627
01:33:57,480 --> 01:33:59,760
question. 
I think there's a very simple 

1628
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:04,280
way that I would approach this 
if I was looking at this problem

1629
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,840
and and really seeking to find a
solution. 

1630
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,920
Ask whether God has already 
identified something in your 

1631
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:12,280
life that you're refusing to 
obey. 

1632
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:21,600
If you are start with that, OK, 
if if the Bible clearly is 

1633
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,840
screaming at you, telling you 
that something is wrong and 

1634
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:29,000
you're knowingly continuing in 
it, you don't need to you don't 

1635
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,360
need to wonder whether or not 
God wants you to deal with it. 

1636
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:32,960
You know he wants you to deal 
with it. 

1637
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:38,000
He's already told you. 
But if you've examine yourself, 

1638
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,160
you've confessed your sin, you 
know, you're walking with the 

1639
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:42,040
Lord. 
Look, God's answer your prayer. 

1640
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:44,880
You just are not going to see 
the effect of it for a little 

1641
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:46,840
while. 
Understand that. 

1642
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:50,760
OK, God's answer at that point 
is, is probably wait. 

1643
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,240
By the way, there's some great 
Bible characters that waited. 

1644
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,120
One of my favorite Bible 
characters that waited for a 

1645
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:58,800
very long time is Abraham, 
right? 

1646
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,440
How about Joseph, Joseph. 
Joseph waited in prison. 

1647
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,040
David waited while he was being 
pursued by the king that was 

1648
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:10,400
trying to kill him. 
Hannah waited for so long that 

1649
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,840
she was perceived as being a 
drunk when one of the priests 

1650
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,800
saw her crying her heart out to 
the Lord for a little boy. 

1651
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:21,280
Not a single bit of their 
waiting meant that God had 

1652
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,800
forgotten them. 
And I know what happens. 

1653
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:30,200
Look, we often times will look 
at things like this and we'll 

1654
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,040
say, well, God is it. 
This is, this isn't really 

1655
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:35,400
working well, God always works. 
Always. 

1656
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,400
He never doesn't work. 
He's either working on you or 

1657
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:38,880
he's working for you. 
It's one or the other. 

1658
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:41,960
Look, I, I think the bottom line
is this. 

1659
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:45,600
If God has clearly shown you 
that there's disobedience, look,

1660
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,760
don't waste your time. 
Deal with it immediately. 

1661
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:52,960
If he hasn't, keep praying, keep
obeying what you already know to

1662
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:57,360
be true, and trust God's timing 
without assuming that his 

1663
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:59,400
silence is any kind of 
displeasure. 

1664
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,360
As a matter of fact, it's 
there's probably no silence 

1665
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,080
going on. 
He's answering it. 

1666
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,520
You just don't see it right now 
because you're getting worked 

1667
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:06,360
on. 
And that's a good thing. 

1668
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:11,800
That's not a bad thing. 
Totally our next question. 

1669
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,360
We only have a few more minutes,
so let's most do speed speed 

1670
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:18,160
rounds. 
Keith, how can I learn more 

1671
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:25,000
about how to advocate for Yeah, 
advocate for God's truth. 

1672
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:29,520
I don't want to simply memorize 
scripture and know it is truth 

1673
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,120
in my heart. 
Sorry, I obviously need to go to

1674
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:39,200
the eye doctor 'cause I let's 
just enlarge this, OK? 

1675
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:42,320
I want to be able to convince 
others beyond a reasonable doubt

1676
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:46,120
that is truth and that they 
should put their faith behind it

1677
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:49,000
as well. 
Yeah, look, I'm going to tell 

1678
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,680
you this really simply, and this
is something I used to tell 

1679
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:53,200
Charlie all the time. 
Me and Charlie used to talk 

1680
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:56,280
about this all the time. 
Charlie had a brilliant mind and

1681
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,800
he read all kinds of things, and
he was very, very well endowed 

1682
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:04,520
with a lot of information at a 
brilliant level, more than most.

1683
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,400
But the one thing that he found 
the most valuable, and it's 

1684
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:09,080
going to be the thing that I'm 
going to tell you that's going 

1685
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:12,600
to give you the greatest insight
in contending for truth, is get 

1686
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:16,440
to know the Bible so well that 
when the fake comes along, you 

1687
01:37:16,440 --> 01:37:19,000
will be ready to answer it. 
You don't have to know what the 

1688
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,440
latest philosophies or theories 
or ideas are. 

1689
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:25,040
Just know the Bible so well that
you will have the answer within 

1690
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:26,160
you. 
I have never dealt with a 

1691
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,960
situation that was 
apologetically demanding or 

1692
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,320
anything like that where I was 
not able to answer. 

1693
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:35,880
And I have always been one that 
has been very big on just 

1694
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:40,120
knowing the Bible so well. 
So know what you believe, know 

1695
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:43,000
why you believe it. 
Understand the objections as 

1696
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,920
they come to you, but you're not
going to do that if you don't 

1697
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,080
have the ability to know God's 
Word. 

1698
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:53,440
And once you, once you know the 
word of God and you know it deep

1699
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:56,760
within you, then you will be 
able to communicate with clarity

1700
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:00,240
and, and, and, and confidence. 
And, you know, one of the things

1701
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:04,320
that I loved Charlie, he, he, he
started doing this and he was 

1702
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:07,000
very good at it when he, when he
went to the college campuses, 

1703
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,280
especially when the crowds got 
bigger and everybody wanted him 

1704
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,680
to respond right away and beat 
everybody up that was asking 

1705
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:13,080
questions. 
You put the mic down. 

1706
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,680
Yeah, you know why he put the 
mic down? 

1707
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,840
He put the mic down #1 so he 
wouldn't like immediately jump 

1708
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:20,400
into the middle of what somebody
is saying. 

1709
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,480
But putting the mic down also 
gave him an opportunity to pray 

1710
01:38:23,480 --> 01:38:27,160
and ask God for wisdom, to 
recall the very things that he 

1711
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:30,080
had learned in studying the Word
and studying the things that he 

1712
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:31,480
needed to in order to bring the 
truth. 

1713
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:33,160
And boy, did God anoint him. 
Amen. 

1714
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:36,520
God gave him supernatural 
answers. 

1715
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,200
So take that same approach. 
I think you'll be great it. 

1716
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:45,560
Was so good. 
Oh, he's very gifted, Very, very

1717
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,440
gifted in that arena. 
Was very supernatural, by the 

1718
01:38:48,440 --> 01:38:49,600
way. 
Very supernatural. 

1719
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:52,880
Of course, of course. 
And he, he was very good. 

1720
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,640
He didn't just read the New 
Testament, it was Old Testament 

1721
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,240
and New Testament. 
Really dug into it every night, 

1722
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:03,680
would read the Bible every night
and it's awesome. 

1723
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:07,040
Such an amazing prayer warrior. 
He loved the word. 

1724
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:12,320
He loved the word. 
He loved the word you can you 

1725
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:16,600
can tell all the time. 
Next questions from Jenny. 

1726
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:20,320
I'm the primary caregiver for my
88 year old mom who is 

1727
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:22,880
wheelchair bound and my husband 
who has Parkinson's. 

1728
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:25,880
They are my life and it's so 
hard sometimes but I know God is

1729
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:27,960
with me. 
I don't know how I can even deal

1730
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:30,040
with losing them because they 
are my everything. 

1731
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:31,840
How do I prepare my heart for 
it? 

1732
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:40,560
Please help me. 
You know, that's so hard that 

1733
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:43,760
that that is not even 
necessarily. 

1734
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:46,600
AI don't think you could ever be
prepared for that. 

1735
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:49,560
Yeah, I, I, I think, I think 
that's right. 

1736
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:53,200
You just have to be so in the 
moment with them and just love 

1737
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:55,920
on them so much in the moment. 
You can never be prepared for 

1738
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,360
losing someone that you love. 
Especially like that. 

1739
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:04,160
Especially like that. 
Let me put this in the more 

1740
01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:09,200
definitive terms. 
That are biblically based and I 

1741
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:12,040
think Erica pretty much took the
answer right out of my mouth. 

1742
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:17,640
You you can't force yourself to 
grieve tomorrow's loss today. 

1743
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,360
You just can't Jesus said it in 
himself. 

1744
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:24,680
He said, you know, sufficient is
the day sufficient unto the day 

1745
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:28,120
is the evil thereof. 
So God will give you grace for 

1746
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:29,680
what you're carrying today into 
the moment. 

1747
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:37,200
And you've you've got to just do
that and, and, and look, it's 

1748
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:38,880
not evidence of having weak 
faith. 

1749
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:42,360
When you think about the fact 
that it's unbearable to lose 

1750
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,560
them. 
Deep grief is going to be the 

1751
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,880
price of deep love. 
You love somebody deeply, you're

1752
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:48,680
going to grieve deeply. 
That's just the way it works. 

1753
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,360
I mean, Jesus loved Lazarus and 
look at how he cried. 

1754
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:59,520
Probably not the most, you know,
outward appearing thing to do, 

1755
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:06,840
but he did because he loved him.
So I will tell you this and I 

1756
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:08,520
know what you meant when you 
said this. 

1757
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:12,480
Just remember that God has to be
your everything and I and I know

1758
01:41:12,480 --> 01:41:15,120
what you mean when you say that 
you're everything like I, I, I 

1759
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:21,120
get it, but make God the center 
of that, because especially when

1760
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:22,680
you know they're walking with 
the Lord, you're going to be 

1761
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:27,360
unified with them one day. 
You know, and and look, David 

1762
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,120
said it. 
He said, look, my flesh and my 

1763
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:33,000
heart faileth, but God is the 
strength of my heart, my portion

1764
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:35,600
forever. 
That's what he says and you're 

1765
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:39,480
going to get to that point. 
I I used to think all the time 

1766
01:41:39,480 --> 01:41:41,640
about how I would feel when my 
mom went to go be with the Lord 

1767
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:43,640
and when she did it was the 
worst day of my life. 

1768
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:47,440
It was terrible, terrible. 
But what does First 

1769
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:52,160
Thessalonians tells us right? 
We sorrow not even as others 

1770
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:55,440
that have no hope. 
We know, OK, we know. 

1771
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:59,120
And by the way, he doesn't say 
we sorrow not at all. 

1772
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:01,120
He says we don't sorrow like the
non believer. 

1773
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:10,680
OK, we still sorrow, so do 
yourself a favor and don't ask 

1774
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:13,800
God today for enough strength to
survive a loss that hasn't 

1775
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:17,040
happened yet. 
Don't do that, I think. 

1776
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:24,640
I think that the better prayer 
is to ask God for enough 

1777
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:28,320
strength to love them faithfully
with all of your heart today, in

1778
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:31,760
that moment. 
And when tomorrow comes, then 

1779
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:35,360
God will give you the grace that
you need to suffer that love, 

1780
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:38,440
right? 
Don't detach yourself. 

1781
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,840
Ask God to give you the grace to
love on her like you've never 

1782
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:45,280
loved on her before. 
And when the loss comes, He'll 

1783
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:46,960
also give you the grace to deal 
with it. 

1784
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:52,560
It's a hard, it's a very hard 
issue. 

1785
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:58,880
It's a very hard issue. 
It is Rihanna. 

1786
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:04,520
Are there always demons behind 
false gods like Baal? 

1787
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:08,640
What about our modern false gods
like money and sports etcetera? 

1788
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:13,040
I hear people speak of the 
spirit of greed or the spirit of

1789
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,400
addiction. 
Are there spirits behind these 

1790
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:20,600
idols or problems? 
OK, so I'll make this simple 

1791
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:24,720
just because like in terms of 
time, we we just have to be 

1792
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:25,960
careful. 
Let me just start off with some 

1793
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:31,880
of the obvious things, OK? 
Money is not the false God, It's

1794
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:33,800
the love of money. 
That's the false God. 

1795
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:38,880
OK, sports is not a false God. 
It's it's when you love sports 

1796
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:43,000
more and prioritize it more than
the things of God. 

1797
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:47,680
OK, so I, I also understand 
where the phrase the spirit of 

1798
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,800
greed and the spirit of 
addiction come in. 

1799
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:56,720
Let me, let me create a very 
important biblical balance here.

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01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:00,440
First and foremost, Ephesians 
tells us we wrestle not against 

1801
01:44:00,440 --> 01:44:03,600
flesh and blood, it makes that 
very, very clear, but against 

1802
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,440
principalities and powers. 
And, and it goes on to say 

1803
01:44:06,440 --> 01:44:09,800
spiritual wickedness in high 
places, spiritual warfare is, 

1804
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,520
is, is very, very real. 
The biblical balance is 

1805
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:14,760
important. 
OK, not every sin requires a 

1806
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:19,400
demon, but demons absolutely 
exploit sin. 

1807
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:21,240
They do that. 
They're very, very good at it. 

1808
01:44:21,480 --> 01:44:27,160
Not every particular idol. 
Something that somebody idolizes

1809
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:30,840
is a part you know has a 
particular spirit assigned to 

1810
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:32,560
it. 
Sometimes it does, but 

1811
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:38,320
oftentimes that's not the case. 
Idolatry will inevitably become 

1812
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:42,760
a doorway for demonic deception.
I can promise you that. 

1813
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:44,320
You start idolizing other 
things. 

1814
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:46,760
You are welcoming demons to come
in. 

1815
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:49,080
OK. 
Now, the one thing that I would 

1816
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:52,400
do is I would be very, very 
cautious about casually 

1817
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:55,960
diagnosing somebody with what 
people often times refer to as 

1818
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:59,720
you have the spirit of addiction
or the spirit of Greek. 

1819
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:01,800
Like I, I'm not trying to mock 
that. 

1820
01:45:02,440 --> 01:45:05,480
I'm just saying be very careful 
because the Bible gives us 

1821
01:45:05,480 --> 01:45:08,040
plenty of language already to 
use, OK? 

1822
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:15,840
Sin, lust, bondage, temptation, 
deception, the flesh, the world,

1823
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,960
the enemy. 
Like we have these terms, OK? 

1824
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,440
Even demonic influence is a word
that the Bible uses. 

1825
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:25,520
We don't need to invent other 
categories that the Bible itself

1826
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:27,040
doesn't give us. 
And I think sometimes that's 

1827
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:29,640
what happens when we say you 
have the spirit of addiction or 

1828
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:33,160
the spirit of greed. 
No, you struggle with these 

1829
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,560
addictions or you struggle 
walking in greed. 

1830
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:39,320
It's the love of money, which is
the root of all kinds of evil. 

1831
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:42,120
Same kind of thing. 
So that there's where I would go

1832
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:43,920
with it. 
I, I, I probably would avoid 

1833
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:49,840
language like the spirit of the 
spirit of I just think that's, I

1834
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:52,160
just heard the the other day, I 
just heard the spirit of 

1835
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:56,200
pornography. 
It's like what, what, what in 

1836
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:57,880
the world? 
Like I, I, I don't even know 

1837
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:00,840
what that means, you know, So I,
I'd kind of avoid that. 

1838
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:07,040
I just, I just would. 
OK, let's. 

1839
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:13,920
These are all such good 
questions. 

1840
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:28,770
These are all so hard. 
I don't want to. 

1841
01:46:28,770 --> 01:46:31,210
OK, how about, all right, we'll 
do. 

1842
01:46:31,930 --> 01:46:39,960
The next two questions are about
addiction, Caroline and Kelly. 

1843
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:42,240
I'm a Christian but I am 
currently struggling with 

1844
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:44,280
addiction. 
Are these two things mutually 

1845
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,040
exclusive? 
I'm feeling worried about my 

1846
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:49,760
salvation and Kelly, a person I 
know is addicted to heroin but 

1847
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,640
having a hard time detoxing 
completely. 

1848
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,160
He's reading his Bible, praying,
and believing the Lord is the 

1849
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:57,480
only one who can deliver him. 
Does the Lord hear his prayers 

1850
01:46:57,480 --> 01:47:00,040
even though he technically is 
living in sin? 

1851
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,320
My reference is Isaiah chapter 
59 verse 2. 

1852
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:06,880
But your inequities have made a 
separation between you, you and 

1853
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:10,120
your God, and your sins have 
hidden his face from you so that

1854
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:16,480
he does not hear. 
OK, let's just simplify this at 

1855
01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:18,000
its most basic level. 
OK? 

1856
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:21,960
For Caroline, no, struggling 
with addiction and being a 

1857
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:24,760
Christian are not mutually 
exclusive. 

1858
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:28,840
Christians can become trapped in
very serious patterns of sin and

1859
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:30,480
bondage. 
I think the important 

1860
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:34,640
distinction is between 
struggling against sin and 

1861
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:36,520
surrendering your surrendering 
yourself to it. 

1862
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:39,840
So if you say, well, I'm just 
going to give in to sin and you 

1863
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,200
don't really care, that's a 
problem. 

1864
01:47:42,440 --> 01:47:47,040
I think a believer can can fall 
terribly while still hating the 

1865
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,360
sin that they're falling into, 
that they're giving themselves. 

1866
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:52,600
They can fight it, they can 
confess it, and they can be 

1867
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,280
desperate in their wants to 
experience freedom. 

1868
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:58,400
That's good. 
The good news is this your 

1869
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:02,240
salvation rest upon Christ and 
what He accomplished, not upon 

1870
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:04,840
achieving sinless perfection 
after salvation. 

1871
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:07,480
If that was the case, you're 
going to hell and so am I. 

1872
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:11,120
OK, But with that said, 
addiction should never be 

1873
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:12,320
minimized. 
You don't want to minimize 

1874
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:15,320
addiction. 
If if, if somebody has or what? 

1875
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:17,560
Really something has mastery 
over you. 

1876
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:22,080
It needs to be confronted 
aggressively, very spiritually 

1877
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,160
and practically. 
And there are people that you 

1878
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:26,080
can reach out to in your life 
that will help you do that. 

1879
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:29,920
Now, the fact that you are 
fighting your sin is very 

1880
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:32,640
different from making peace with
it. 

1881
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:37,000
And that encourages me. 
That tells me your salvation is 

1882
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:40,000
very intact because of what 
Christ did for you, not because 

1883
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,920
of what you do or don't do. 
That's that's really critical. 

1884
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:48,800
OK, Now with respect to Kelly, 
yes, God hears the prayers of an

1885
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,200
addict that's crying out to him 
for deliverance. 

1886
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:55,800
Please believe me when I say 
that Isaiah 59 verse 2 is 

1887
01:48:55,800 --> 01:49:00,520
describing people whose sin had 
produced separation from God. 

1888
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:04,480
It's it's it's particularly 
persistent rebellion. 

1889
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:08,320
That's what it's talking about. 
It it doesn't mean that a person

1890
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:11,000
trapped in sin cannot cry out to
God for mercy. 

1891
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:16,000
If it did, nobody, not a single 
one of us would would be able to

1892
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:20,680
call upon God for salvation. 
Psalm 51 is, is, is David 

1893
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:26,480
actually praying after horrific 
sin, sin that involved murder 

1894
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:28,880
and adultery and, and, and all 
kinds of things. 

1895
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:33,880
And yet God hurt him, right? 
So that the, yeah, the look, the

1896
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:38,640
heroin addiction is sin and 
bondage that definitely needs to

1897
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:40,440
be confronted. 
Come on, let's be real about 

1898
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:41,200
that. 
It's serious. 

1899
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:44,360
It could destroy you. 
But someone reading the Bible 

1900
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:47,520
and praying and and and 
repenting and begging God for 

1901
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:51,520
freedom is not someone God 
refuses to hear simply because 

1902
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:53,600
the battle isn't over yet. 
They're still engaged in the 

1903
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:56,600
battle. 
God doesn't require you to 

1904
01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:00,200
defeat your sin before you can 
ask him to help you defeat it. 

1905
01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:04,640
So you're fine. 
You're fine in the sense that 

1906
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:06,160
you're reaching out to the Lord,
right? 

1907
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:09,640
He's going to be with you. 
You seek out for help to find 

1908
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,880
that victory over those things 
that that's that's what I would 

1909
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:14,360
say. 
Yeah, Amen. 

1910
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:20,560
OK, We hit our mark. 
I got to go take the little one 

1911
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:23,200
on an adventure. 
Probably go to. 

1912
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:25,680
Or something. 
You got your hands full. 

1913
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:30,320
Yes, but go ahead and and cover 
us in prayer as we head into the

1914
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:34,560
weekend and just keep fighting 
the good fight. 

1915
01:50:35,480 --> 01:50:37,520
All right, you got it. 
Father in heaven, we thank you 

1916
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,080
for your goodness and your 
faithfulness to us. 

1917
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:40,800
Lord. 
We thank you, Father, for the 

1918
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:43,600
fact that you are faithful, 
Lord, and we thank you for this 

1919
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:47,360
time that we could gather 
together as the body of Christ 

1920
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:51,960
and just come to the table to 
learn what your Word says about 

1921
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,880
so many of these things. 
Lord, You're faithful and your 

1922
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,240
good, and we love you, Lord. 
And we thank you, Lord, for 

1923
01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:59,000
loving us with an everlasting 
love. 

1924
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:02,800
We pray for strength Lord, I 
just pray for Eric, I pray for 

1925
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:04,600
the children that you would just
bless her. 

1926
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:08,000
Bless the family Lord, watch 
over them, protect them, bless 

1927
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:11,000
all the people that are here 
watching this, whether it be 

1928
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:14,880
live or afterwards. 
Lord, may your word penetrate 

1929
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:16,480
their hearts now. 
So we love you and thank you. 

1930
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:17,720
We look to you and we ask these 
things. 

1931
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:19,480
In Jesus name we pray. 
Amen. 

1932
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:21,640
Amen. 
All right, you guys, God bless 

1933
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:23,840
you. 
We will see you in October. 

1934
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:27,320
And again, if you need any 
additional resources, please 

1935
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:30,920
continue to go to our Bible and 
365 app or website 

1936
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:35,960
siteandpleasecheckoutthevideos@jamescadiz.com.
You can literally go onto his 

1937
01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:40,560
website and type in any topic 
and, and what will pop up is a 

1938
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:47,200
just a massive list of different
videos options that correlate to

1939
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:49,440
that topic. 
It's, it's been very helpful and

1940
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:51,240
such a blessing to myself and my
family. 

1941
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:52,480
So I know it'll bless you as 
well. 

1942
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:54,840
But God bless you guys. 
Keep fighting the good fight and

1943
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:57,840
we will see you next month, God.
Bless you guys.

