1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,800 This week on the Steam Machine podcast, Eva Eva Eva Eva Eva Eva 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,880 wake up Eva Eva. Queue that music. 3 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,800 Hey everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the Steam 4 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,840 Machine Podcast. My name is Dalton and joining me 5 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,560 this week is 1/2 of the Destructo Bros. 6 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,520 Hey, it's Willie. Every time we do this podcast, I 7 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,440 do a little dance over the theme music, even though behind the 8 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,280 scenes we don't actually hear the theme music being cut in. 9 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,400 Dalton adds that in editing today I tried to do the robot 10 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,840 because I felt it was thematically appropriate, except 11 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,040 I don't know how the robot goes, so I just made straight hands 12 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,440 and moved them and tried to fake it. 13 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:08,160 That is the most awkward thing because it's already an awkward 14 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,280 dance. Like I'm sure you could look 15 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,920 cool if you really know it, but man, I look. 16 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,840 Corny. I've seen some some people who 17 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,480 are like professional dancer people pull off the robot and it 18 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,720 looks pretty fucking cool. Yeah, especially if they do that 19 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,840 one move where like the the shutting down move. 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:22,200 You know what? I. 21 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,160 Mean or they do it in their they or I like the one where they 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,280 just like let their arm hang and then they just hit it and it 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,120 just rocks back and forth like it's on a hinge like oh, it's 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,760 good, it's good shit. The robot's cool. 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,400 It's just I'm doing it the same way you do, like the designated 26 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,360 white guy dance. Like, you know, when you have 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,960 two cups that are in your party, you just kind of kind of move 28 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:40,800 your hips just a little bit, but not too much. 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,120 You don't want to spill the cups. 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,960 You're trying to make your way across the dance floor, so you 31 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,400 just shimmy in. That's holding your drinks up. 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,560 Just shimmy in trying to get there. 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,960 We're visually illustrating these, which is great for an 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,160 audio medium, right? We should be on YouTube man. 35 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,000 How you doing buddy? How you doing? 36 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,920 Doing good. Oh man, on, you know, those 37 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,840 little survey sites that ask you questions and stuff for like a 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,800 tiny amount of pocket change basically. 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,479 Yeah, I have a very bad track record with those because they 40 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:11,160 always like, give me the, I don't know, 40 questions in and 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,120 then they're like, oh, sorry, you don't meet our demographic. 42 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,040 Oh, that happens quite a lot in the bigger ones. 43 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,400 So I'm talking about there's a, there's a Google based one 44 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,200 that's like really short surveys. 45 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,320 So and then it's only like $0.10 a survey. 46 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,040 So it just pops up occasionally. And today it popped me up that 47 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,880 asked the most terrifying question I've ever seen in a 48 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,360 survey. Not because of the question 49 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,760 itself, but because of the multiple choice I was. 50 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,800 Going to say, does it have implications that I need to be 51 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:35,600 worried about? What is it? 52 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,160 The question is, are you in Florida? 53 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,680 And the choices were yes, no, and very terrifyingly, I don't 54 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,920 know. I'd pick that. 55 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,920 Man, that that is you live in with the doubt in your mind as 56 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:54,200 to whether you're in Florida. It must be the harrowingest 57 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,200 experience. I might be in Florida. 58 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,280 I'm in a box with no windows and a computer with a microphone to 59 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,400 talk into. You might have got swept up by 60 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,960 one of those Florida hurricanes. Oh shit. 61 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,400 I wanted to say tornadoes there and make it a joke, but there 62 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,960 actually are hurricanes in Florida. 63 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,080 Lots of hurricanes here. I know you're famous for them. 64 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,840 I screwed it up. You even have like sports teams 65 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,880 named after that. Like molten, the rock played for 66 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,440 them. Wait, that is right. 67 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,760 Rocky played with Miami Hurricane. 68 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,200 I said multiple. Then I realized the other 69 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,440 Hurricanes aren't in Florida and I'm an idiot. 70 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,040 But the Miami ones, they. Are, you know, random because 71 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,520 we're talking about Miami Hurricanes? 72 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:27,560 My brother went to UF. I think I've talked about that 73 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,720 before and I remember while he was enrolled there, I, I think 74 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,200 it was for Xbox or Xbox 360. I rented a, or I might even 75 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,720 bought it an NCAA game. Football because I will 76 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,000 reiterate for anyone because you know, every episode might be 77 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,760 someone's first episode. I am not really a football fan. 78 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,200 I fucking love football games. Don't know why but. 79 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,480 Oh, you've definitely been having some fun with the Create 80 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,080 a Team feature. Yes, I have. 81 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,640 Also, it's so irritating to me that the game's called Madden 25 82 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,880 because I think they also called the 25th Anniversary edition 83 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,240 Madden 25 for no reason, putting it way out of sync with the 84 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,320 other numbers. Yeah, but I think this one is 85 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,720 now Madden apostrophe 25. It's 2025. 86 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Yeah. Oh, there's an. 87 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,200 I think there's an apostrophe so that it's, you know, makes it. 88 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:13,880 It's the year. Who fucking knows? 89 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,360 Look, I'm just complaining. We're a video game podcast. 90 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,720 We're supposed to bitch about random stuff that is completely 91 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,079 inconsequential. That's fair. 92 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,080 But that that was the first NCAA game I ever played where I 93 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,560 created a quarterback and I named him Dalton Suitor. 94 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,320 And when I went to go throw a pass, the the dude on the the 95 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,440 the announcer guy went suitor back to pass. 96 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,440 And I went what? Because no game could ever 97 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,120 pronounce my fucking name. So I wondered if it was because 98 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,240 my brother the name was in the UF thing or they maybe they just 99 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,800 got better at name saying because I don't think I have a 100 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,480 relatively common last name. It is funny because like the the 101 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,440 thing about the NCAA games too is the players defaulted to not 102 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,440 being named. So like you would have to 103 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,960 download like a user made roster patch to actually have the real 104 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,880 names of your characters. But they did record voice lines 105 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,200 for the like most common names and names of huge star players. 106 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,880 So like if there was a suitor somewhere in the country that 107 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,640 was really like starting for a team, they probably had that 108 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,880 name in there for that reason. Or they might have just had that 109 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,160 laying over from another sport because there have been a couple 110 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,040 suitors in the National Hockey League. 111 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,520 That's possible because my brother was not a football 112 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,480 player. Nowhere near. 113 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,800 I don't think that they just skimmed the entire UF student 114 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,880 roster looking to make sure they can pronounce everyone. 115 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,320 That would be cool though. But yeah, as a child, that was 116 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,040 where my brain went though. Was like, oh, OK, because he 117 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,680 goes to the UF. That must be why they know how 118 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,040 to say the name because I was like, I don't know, 12 or maybe. 119 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,400 That's cute. That's cute, though. 120 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:41,560 That's sweet. You thought that they were just 121 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,640 looking out for your role. What team were you playing this? 122 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:44,920 Oh yeah, you said to create a team. 123 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,760 No, I was on the Gators. Florida Gators. 124 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,960 Oh, you were on the Gators? OK, well that makes sense then. 125 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,040 And then my sister was and God damn, I feel bad bringing this 126 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,640 school up today, but she went to FSU and yeah, thought thoughts 127 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,280 and good vibes to everybody involved with what happened 128 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:01,960 there today. And that's, that's all I want to 129 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,840 say about that. You've been playing anything, my 130 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,200 good Sir? Yeah, I've got a few games on my 131 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,800 here. Well, for one thing, I 132 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,280 definitely think this was kind of neat. 133 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,200 You know how we did that Truck Simulator American Truck 134 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,920 Simulator episode like 3 years ago or whatever? 135 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,680 Yes, that game is awesome. It was super fun, super fun. 136 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,840 And I was always like, I'd like to get back into it, but you 137 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:24,280 know, I wanted to have more objectives, more stuff to do, I 138 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:27,800 guess because I was enjoying it for just taking a stroll, doing 139 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,480 a couple drives and relaxing with it. 140 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,040 But. Oh, just real quick. 141 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,920 I just meant every time I install that game, I sit it 142 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,640 there and I look at it in my library and I'm like, man, I 143 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,840 want to play that. And then my brain goes, damn, I 144 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:40,680 missed my wheel. Oh yeah, and then I don't play 145 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,040 it. And then I because playing with 146 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,960 the controller is cool man, but I got so used to playing with 147 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,680 the wheel and the pedals that it was so fun. 148 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:48,120 Yeah, I would definitely. It feels like one of those 149 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,400 things it's hard to go back from. 150 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,720 Although you know, when I was younger I used to play Free 151 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,440 Space 2 with a flight stick and I had no trouble playing it with 152 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,320 the Xbox controller these days. So we did that or it was Free 153 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,640 Space One, but we played it through Free Space 2 using. 154 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,760 Maybe now that there's some some time, I'll give it another shot 155 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,360 between it. But yeah, it was just, it was a 156 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,480 hard, it was a hard thing to go back to and be like, damn it, 157 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,520 man, I really miss, I really miss just feeling like I'm 158 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,200 actually driving. Yeah, cuz if I haven't played on 159 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,240 the controller in a while, I forget what all the buttons are 160 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,920 to. There's a person I talk about in 161 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,080 a little bit and he definitely saw me struggle to try to 162 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,640 remember basic things like how to turn my headlights on and 163 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,280 off. So yes, Sir, there's a lot of 164 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:30,760 buttons in that game. There's a lot. 165 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,800 And it's it's not like the Xbox controller really helps because 166 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,520 there is not a why button on a truck anywhere. 167 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,040 Yeah. And on the the keyboard, like if 168 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,320 you're playing a mouse and keyboard, there's even more key 169 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,640 bindings on the keyboard than you can do on the controller. 170 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,160 Yeah, that's actually how you ended up helping me. 171 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,160 I don't think I ever found the the headlights button on my 172 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,800 controller, so we were just using the L on the. 173 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,400 Dude, I'm telling you, that's like when I would like when I 174 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,040 would play with the controller before I got the wheel, I would 175 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,480 sit there and I would have my controller or like, you know, in 176 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,240 my hands, but my keyboard in my lap. 177 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,480 Yeah. So like when I needed to do 178 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,560 something and it's handy. I hit it if you want to go 179 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,280 through the little NAV menus on the, on the the GPS system, like 180 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,360 it is way handy to beat hands in your keyboard for sure. 181 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,800 Like I'm sure if you had a wheel with all these extra controls, 182 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,720 it'd probably be fine. But yeah, or at least it'd be 183 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,920 easier to do the whole one hand on the wheel, one hand on the 184 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,760 CD's thing. Whereas, yeah, I was kind of 185 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,800 worried that's what free space was going to be like for me 186 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,800 because when I played it with the joystick back in the day, I 187 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,680 did a lot of keyboarding too. But like I was shocked by how 188 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,159 much stuff you can map onto an Xbox controller and make that 189 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:35,720 game play like really well for a flight simulator type game. 190 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,400 Of all games, Final Fantasy 14 does a really good job of taking 191 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,320 what is normally a mouse and keyboard setup and moving it to 192 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,920 a controller and making it comfortable. 193 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,000 I can see that making sense actually, because there's a lot 194 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,920 of people that use those MMO mouses, mouses or mice. 195 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,440 I don't know if the computer plural is mouses or mice, but 196 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,000 they have the MMO mouse where it's like got like 15 buttons on 197 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,680 it and you map all those to your hot bar basically or whatever. 198 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,000 Yeah, and then you can play the whole game. 199 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,680 I'm imagining that that, yeah, I'm imagining that that carries 200 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:07,360 over pretty well to the the controller setup too. 201 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,040 Yeah, 100%. Like for instance, like you hold 202 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,520 right trigger and you can you have stuff mapped to up, down, 203 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,120 left, right and then you know your face buttons. 204 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,120 Same with right trigger or with left trigger, then they also 205 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,920 have you can hit right trigger and then left trigger and that 206 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,600 pulls up another set and then you know vice versa. 207 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,640 Or you can double tap them and that'll bring up other ones. 208 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,880 Like there's, there's a lot of different ways to do it because 209 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,480 you know, you can get a lot of they've been trying to do as the 210 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,000 more expansions come out, they trying to clean up hot bars as 211 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,200 much as possible. That makes sense and I mean they 212 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,760 at least they have the advantage that I mean it is an MMO game, 213 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,440 but it has lineage with a console series that's always 214 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:43,680 been controlled by the controller. 215 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:48,200 So even with the MMO overlay stuff required like they have 216 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,840 solutions for some of those problems. 217 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,000 So, So what's the what you been delivering, my good Sir? 218 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,200 OK, so what's been going on is after we did that episode, it's 219 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,040 been a couple of years, but we had a couple of people from 220 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,120 basically a couple people listen to it and kind of chopped by our 221 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,800 Discord and asked me if I wanted to join their. 222 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,800 They call it a VTC, which I think stands for virtual truck 223 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,240 company or virtual transport company or something like that. 224 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,160 And it's kind of like, it's kind of like a, you know, a clan in 225 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,720 other games, but you have like, you know, tracking software that 226 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,560 you can use to notate your trips and stuff, put miles down for 227 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:21,880 the group. And the crew's been actually 228 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,720 really, you know, welcoming And very, as I understand it, it's 229 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,600 one of those really lower, it's a lower stress group. 230 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,640 Like they're not all, you know, hardcore about competition and 231 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,440 trying to be the group with the most miles. 232 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,160 But I still feel like cool that I'm contributing when I do get 233 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,760 some miles put in. And so I haven't played around 234 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,000 with it too much, but the main dude, the leader of the group is 235 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,800 in our Discord. His screen name is Sire gears. 236 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,560 I want to say there's some marks at the beginning. 237 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:50,720 It might be 05 sire gears because no, it's just sire gears 238 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,880 195. And he, he runs the group and he 239 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,240 kind of jumped me into everything you needed to learn 240 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,240 to get started with it because you know, they in addition to 241 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,240 the, the, they have a program called truck book that they used 242 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,840 to record mileage. And that's how you kind of have 243 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,440 all the companies competing and organizing. 244 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:12,320 And then there was also a mod because they have their own like 245 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,680 finer for their trucks. I don't know the exact term for 246 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:16,200 a paint job, but it's pretty cool. 247 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,280 Library. It's like black what I wanted 248 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,960 library I think livery I don't know. 249 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,200 How livery? It tastes livery. 250 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:24,800 You lick the truck, it tastes livery. 251 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,320 Yeah, I prefer a gizzard. Ooh, fried gizzards. 252 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,320 Not bad. They are pretty good, but chewy 253 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,120 anyway, so there was. A mud. 254 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,480 Truck design and stuff. And yeah, so there's a mud for 255 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:38,800 that. Basically, you just download it 256 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,920 from Steam Workshop and it, you know, lets you customize the 257 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,280 trucks and stuff. And so somewhere it's just been 258 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,680 a really laid back thing and I haven't really done too much 259 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:48,080 with it, but it feels like something that I'm interested in 260 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,000 doing more of. And I'll probably bring up more 261 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,760 again on the show. So if anyone's interested in 262 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,120 joining, the group's name is O5 and. 263 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,480 The O 5 Council. The main, you know, I thought 264 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,240 about that too, like overseers from the SCP, because it's even, 265 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,280 it's even spelled the same way. It's the letter O and #5, which 266 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,680 is how it's usually said in SCP. That's awesome. 267 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,360 Yeah, this. Is not, I will say me and Jeff 268 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,400 recently have somewhat coerced Dane into possibly checking the 269 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,120 game out because we were, we were talking to him about it and 270 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,720 Dane's like, I'll play it if there's a mod that I can drive 271 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,440 The Pork Chop Express and son of a bitch. 272 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,560 Connor went on the workshop and within 5 minutes comes back with 273 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:28,200 a link to one that's so you can download. 274 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,160 That's the Pork Chop Express and Dane went son of a bitch. 275 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,040 I got to look that up. I think that's the name of it, 276 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,040 right? Yeah, from big trouble in 277 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,240 little. China. 278 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,120 Yeah, that's kind of amazing. That's that's awesome. 279 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,200 I've actually. Yeah, so I've been having fun, 280 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,480 been having fun with that. I I keep not working on the 281 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,280 secret project I want to talk about on the show. 282 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,040 And it's making me mad because I it's very close to done and it's 283 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,840 really cool and I want to share it with people but I'm being 284 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,800 lazy and dragging my feet on the last step of it. 285 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,040 I know that feeling. I bought a a license to a drum 286 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,720 track that I wrote a song to like years ago now, but I bought 287 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,520 a commercial license for it and I still haven't sat down to 288 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,080 record. Fuck. 289 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,680 Yeah, in this case, it's, it's really irritating to me too 290 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:15,400 because I've, it's almost done like literally if this thing was 291 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,680 made out of 10 pieces, I have 8 of them implemented. 292 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,400 Let's see. Trying to think if anything else 293 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:23,920 is jumping up my arm hurts a lot. 294 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,960 Ever since I've changed, I changed that flat on my car. 295 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,880 Like I feel like I've really jerked something in my left 296 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,840 forearm and it's been a little pulled. 297 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,840 It always feels like really sore deep in there. 298 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,200 You know that that always sucks. I I so. 299 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,520 So I don't know if I need to actually do anything about it or 300 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,680 if I just need to keep on rubbing it and going. 301 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,200 I'd say rub it, maybe throw a little icy hot on there. 302 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,040 Awesome. How will the muscles relax some? 303 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:49,760 I also had an injury recently. I was cutting down some trees in 304 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,720 my in my side yard and you know, I have terrible luck with that, 305 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,440 but luckily actually this went great. 306 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:57,560 The tree fell exactly where I wanted it to. 307 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,840 The second tree, once I finally got it to fall, fell exactly 308 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,480 where I wanted it to, but it was like thicker than I thought it 309 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,720 was. It was just taking forever. 310 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,080 So I would cut it and then I would try to push it and it 311 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,720 wouldn't budget, but the bark was old. 312 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,880 So the bark would give when I pushed on it, but the core of 313 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,080 the tree was still alive. So I was doing that doing that 314 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,840 and I got myself a nice little chunk taken out of my wrist. 315 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,320 It's healing now, but it was right here. 316 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,360 And listeners, you can't see this, but it's right where my 317 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,960 hand meets my wrist, right? So that is like a spot that 318 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,680 anytime you move your hand, you feel When I want to use my 319 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,600 mouse, that's where my hand sits like, Oh my God, bro, has this 320 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,320 been gnarly? But it's finally healed up. 321 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,880 It's not pleasant, man. Yeah, dude, injuries suck. 322 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,680 Like pulled muscles suck. Getting cuts and scrapes suck. 323 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,800 Having a little the hole taken out of you sucks. 324 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,040 It all sucks. Any. 325 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,120 I'm happy that it is past the middle of April now, so whenever 326 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,440 I'm on my mobile phone, because I use an iPhone, I don't have 327 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,040 adblock available on like YouTube app or whatever. 328 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,160 I'm no longer. You're seeing ads for tax 329 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,000 services. Yay. 330 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,200 I was getting really irritated because it was just the same 331 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,120 three companies over and. Over TurboTax. 332 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,160 And that includes one I have a bad experience with in the past. 333 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,520 It's the one that I always see is TurboTax because it's the 334 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,840 only one I've ever used. Yeah, it's definitely one of the 335 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,240 most popular. But hey man, I've been playing a 336 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,080 few things, been delving into some ensoy that's now out in 337 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,240 early access. That earlier so that's kind of 338 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,960 like a Sims like type of game. Right. 339 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,560 It is very much like The Sims with its own kind of style like 340 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,520 the you know, The Sims is very it has its own art style or it's 341 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,680 like kind of cutesy in a way. Enzo is very much more realistic 342 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,000 looking. I think it's in unreal 5. 343 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,800 I could be wrong. Really enjoy the character 344 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,240 editor though. You can get pretty in depth like 345 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,760 you can go and download like other people's zoys that they've 346 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,000 made and man, there's some people who have created like 347 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,240 Rihanna, Billy Eilish and people like that and it looks just like 348 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,680 them. It's it's crazy, but I've been 349 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,360 having a lot of fun with it. One thing that they do that The 350 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,200 Sims doesn't unless you mod The Sims is you can control your Zoi 351 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,760 with wazd. So it also has the you know, you 352 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,720 can click around like you would a normal Sims game and 353 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,840 everything, but you can also just control them by walking 354 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,160 around and you can like do an over the shoulder camera and 355 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,560 control it more like a third person life simulator game if 356 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:13,640 you wanted to. So I have. 357 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,200 A question because they're more realistically proportioned, 358 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,760 instead of being like kind of horrible little puppet 359 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,360 creatures, are you less tempted to just absolutely, absolutely 360 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,240 torment them like people tend to do to Sims? 361 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,680 You know, I haven't tormented Sims in a long time, but I, I 362 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,680 don't know. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I've been 363 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,080 perusing the Reddit and I haven't seen any yet, so you 364 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,440 might be on to something with that. 365 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,880 That's interesting because I feel like for a lot of people 366 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,600 they get a very perverse fun out of being just awful to their 367 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,520 Sims in creative ways. Like that's half The Sims 368 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,200 stories I've ever heard is either them being terrible to 369 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,280 The Sims or a really weird series of events happening. 370 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,320 Now I will tell you that I, I'm sure that it exists because one 371 00:16:55,320 --> 00:17:01,880 of the houses that I downloaded to to check out was a house for 372 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,120 it was called. I don't remember what it was 373 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,400 called, but it was a house for five women to live in or five 374 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,040 people. But you can tell it's five women 375 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:11,680 because there are 5 normal bedrooms. 376 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,079 And then this it said this house has a secret. 377 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,680 And I'm like, well, I'm interested. 378 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,480 What's the, the secret? Willie is a hidden area with 379 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,400 five cages that say husband's rooms. 380 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,400 So there are cells that they lock their husbands. 381 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,880 So I'm like, oh, OK. So yeah, there is a little bit 382 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,120 of that in there. You know what's? 383 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,680 What's messed up, and maybe this is just because I'm way too 384 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,840 defensive, I thought that that was going to go the complete 385 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,120 opposite way. No. 386 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,360 I was like, Oh no, it's going to go bad for these ladies. 387 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:42,720 Nope. They're they're having a great 388 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,360 time. They are the killers. 389 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:46,960 I am a. Chunk maybe think Stepford wives 390 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,840 in a way very, very I don't know. 391 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,080 It was just, but it was, it's funny to me when I saw that and 392 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,040 it's so funny because like the the dungeon room is like all hot 393 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,720 pink with some neon lights everywhere and then just 5-5 394 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,480 really small jail cells. It's great. 395 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,040 But I've been, I've been, I've been enjoying it a lot. 396 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,320 I think I got like 12 hours into it so far just been having my 397 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,400 dude learn skills, you know, got him good at doing guitar, got 398 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,320 him good at talking. I got him a job. 399 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,440 I don't remember what though. But I do want to reiterate 400 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,640 again, it's still in early access. 401 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,600 So they're still adding things and there's more updates to 402 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,000 come. And yeah, it's been, it's been a 403 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,600 lot of fun. I will say there is a thing in 404 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,480 there like so in The Sims you have where you can earn like 405 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,680 lifetime achievement points and then you can spend those on 406 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,720 things. This game has a similar system, 407 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,840 but you're, you're earning Meow coins because this game's got a 408 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,360 thing with cats. And if you open up the Meow 409 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:43,400 store, it plays a special song and it's a song. 410 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,520 It's like meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow. 411 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,200 It's dude. It is like the level of cute, 412 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,440 like the Chocobo song, like it just it just gets stuck in my 413 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,200 head and I'm like, Oh my God, they may have so the. 414 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,720 Rest of the game's like nicely realistic and stuff and all of a 415 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,080 sudden it takes you to Animal Crossing when you go shopping. 416 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:03,360 Yes, pretty much. And it's, it's, it's fantastic. 417 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,960 I love it so much. I'm really, really enjoying it a 418 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,960 lot. Playing some GTA5 online, you 419 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,360 know, just doing some horse gambling. 420 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:15,160 I'm up, I think 690,000. Nice, so it has been paying off 421 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,040 for you after all. Yeah, yeah, The other day, I 422 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,520 don't know what it was, but I would just randomly vote on any 423 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,320 horse that had somewhere in the 20s of odds and probably like 2 424 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,600 out of five times they would win. 425 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,400 Nice. So if they didn't win. 426 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,280 Bar are you still running off of that that odds maker sheet that 427 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,120 you found on Reddit? Way back in the day. 428 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:36,560 I was not using that the other day, but I do still have that 429 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:41,600 bookmarked and I also have where I go into our chat and type it 430 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,280 in and find the thing that you were talking about as well. 431 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,440 I definitely had to explain a couple of the things just 432 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,440 because they reverted a little bit more like you, familiar with 433 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,880 odds making and stuff. Yeah. 434 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,400 So I'll, I'll like use the references in that. 435 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,120 And then I also found an odds calculator thing that this guy 436 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,120 made for Grand Theft Auto Online. 437 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,040 It's been it's been fun, but no, the other day I was just 438 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,440 randomly throwing money at things and winning and it was 439 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,600 great. Of course, I've been playing 440 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,520 some Octopath. Getting further into that. 441 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,480 Before I talk about this next game, there is something that I 442 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,040 do want to bring up before I forget. 443 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,200 Not only is this WrestleMania weekend, which is like my 444 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,720 favorite weekend of the year, right? 445 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,960 Because we got tomorrow night. Friday night is a Smackdown and 446 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,360 the Hall of Fame Saturday. WrestleMania night one, Sunday, 447 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:28,040 WrestleMania Night 2, and if you're at all interested 448 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,440 listeners, I'm going to be streaming those in the Discord, 449 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,720 so feel free to come and watch with us. 450 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,920 Even if you don't like wrestling, this is the show to 451 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,320 just come watch. It's kind of like if you don't 452 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,480 watch football, but you watch the Super Bowl, same thing. 453 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,040 But there has been rumors for a while, there's been some leaks 454 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,200 recently and then a dude apparently just straight up 455 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:51,040 asked Xbox support, hey, is the Xbox or is the Oblivion remake 456 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:56,040 going to be on cloud gaming? And the support came back and I 457 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,000 don't know if this is AI support or if this is a support person, 458 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,640 but they came back and said yes. Oblivion Remastered, a remake or 459 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,600 whatever it is, will be available on cloud gaming April 460 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,160 21st. It is also day one game pass so 461 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,520 I'm like so if this is true then this means that I get the Hall 462 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,200 of Fame WrestleMania night 1, WrestleMania night 2 and then 463 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,840 the next day a remake of my one of my favorite games of all time 464 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,720 comes out. Bro. 465 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:27,200 I might cry when I walk out of that, that beginning area in 466 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,080 Oblivion, the sewer area, because I'm buying it day one if 467 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,560 it comes out when I walk out of that sewer area and I see that, 468 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:38,040 that thing that originally blew my mind back in the day on Xbox 469 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:43,160 360 in Unreal Engine 5, I'd be like, holy shit. 470 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,640 And I'm gonna be a screenshot taking motherfucker. 471 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,880 You just wait and see. But yeah, dude, I, I'm so 472 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,560 stoked. Oblivion is like one of my 473 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,200 there. It's in my top five, if not top 474 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,600 three. I love it. 475 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,880 And yeah, man, I just. It's definitely a game I'm 476 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,360 interested in too for the show at some point, especially now 477 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:00,480 that we have a remake. I mean. 478 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,600 Although now I got to check if my computer will even run the 479 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,120 Dang thing. Yeah, and if not, I would 480 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:07,440 totally be open to still playing the original because I I love 481 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,000 it, you know what I mean? I love that game. 482 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,320 Yeah, I've. Got kind of surprised that 483 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,400 Daggerfall Unity hasn't come up for the show yet. 484 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,840 Don't tempt me, motherfucker. Don't tempt. 485 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,840 I'm saying. So this other game that I've 486 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,200 been playing is a little game that seems to have taken the 487 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,280 Internet and twitch by storm somewhat, and I wanted to see 488 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,400 what all the hype is about because I'm a Stoner. 489 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,280 The game schedule one. Willie, what do you know about 490 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,600 this game? I'll be honest, the first time I 491 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,480 saw it, I was not very impressed. 492 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,400 I'm like, this is kind of dumb looking Stoner comedy game, 493 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,080 whatever. And then I found out that the 494 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,520 people that made one of the other drug dealing games got 495 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,720 really pissed off because they're like they're totally 496 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,600 using all our ideas. Like no one had drug wars on the 497 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,240 TI-83 back in the day. And so I looked into like a 498 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,040 trailer for it Duff. And I'm like wow, this game 499 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,520 actually has a lot of its own personality and it seems to be 500 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,520 like a one man team's first game also. 501 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,280 So the art style to me reminds me of, do You Remember like the 502 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,600 Nintendo 64 South Park games? Like the characters were very 503 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,920 rounded. That's what it reminds me of. 504 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,920 But it's it's definitely got its own thing going. 505 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,520 I didn't I think it might be a 1A1 man thing. 506 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,240 I'm not sure it's another or. At least like a small small 507 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,240 indie studio. Yeah, it's, it's one or the 508 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,440 other and it is very, I mean, it's still in early access as 509 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,040 well, but dude, it is very polished for what it is. 510 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,120 And so you start not, I'm not going to give away the the story 511 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:36,280 and everything, but eventually you, you get like a machine to 512 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,680 bag your weed. You grow your weed and then you 513 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,400 get a mixing machine. Now that's where the real fun 514 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,040 comes in because you can grow these strains of weed and 515 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,480 there's like four or five at the moment that you can grow. 516 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,000 But once you get the buds, you take them and you put them in 517 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,520 the mixer and then you go to the gas station and you buy 518 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,680 something to mix it with. So so far I have used like 519 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,440 banana Coca-Cola which is called cuke horse semen. 520 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,720 What? That's just at the gas station. 521 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,760 Yeah, they just sell it at the gas station some. 522 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,400 Strange gas station. Energy drink some sort of pills 523 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,720 and it gives the the weed all these different little 524 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,240 characteristics, like for instance gingeritis. 525 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,720 So you can walk up to somebody and hand it to them and they'll 526 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600 smoke it and it'll turn their hair red. 527 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,840 So stupid. Oh, that's whimsical. 528 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,360 Man it's hilarious bro. Like there's some I watched a 529 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:38,120 clip of a guy who had just made a strain of weed and wanted to 530 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:40,720 go give it to somebody for a free sample and he walks up to 531 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,080 him and offers it to him and the guys. 532 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,760 It was a black dude. He gave it to him and the dude 533 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,920 smoked it and it turned him white and ginger and the and the 534 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,200 guy just stopped and he looked like the guy streaming stopped 535 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,120 and he looked around and he goes. 536 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,840 Did I just commit a hate crime on accident? 537 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,520 I'm like, Oh my God. So like there's just weird shit 538 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,680 like that that can happen in the game. 539 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,800 There are police that'll stop you and search you and the 540 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,880 mechanic. And I'm going to give you a 541 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,560 quick tip for anybody who plays this. 542 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,200 Keep your drugs in your inventory spaced with one space 543 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,680 in between because the cops search your inventory and 544 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,960 there's like a little thing that they're looking and they it goes 545 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,280 across your inventory and you can hold with your mouse and 546 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,560 click and hold one item like you're palming it so they can't 547 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,760 see it. So to have your stuff spaced 548 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,400 out, you can palm it and then while they're going over the 549 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,560 item that you don't need to palm, you can move your mouse 550 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,040 over to the next one and hold it. 551 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,760 And that way they don't keep. That's actually kind of an 552 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,640 interesting mechanic. I thought so too. 553 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,680 So I've now graduated from. I'm also I'm selling weed but 554 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,560 I'm now also making meth. I bet you love having these 555 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,040 sentences. On record it's in your out of 556 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,960 context yeah, I love it, but I'm I'm making meth in the game and 557 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,200 I haven't done any mixing with it yet. 558 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,240 So I don't know any weird side effects or anything. 559 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,480 But I guess the the next thing up at the moment is you go from 560 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,080 meth to cocaine and makes sense. I haven't gotten that far yet 561 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,240 and meth doesn't seem super lucrative, but it's highly 562 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,200 addictive. Of course that's the way it 563 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,920 isn't real life. So it's like they, they, they're 564 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,360 constantly hitting me up for it. But I've also like, I've hired 565 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:14,880 some dealers. They work for me, but they take 566 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,280 a 20% cut. But it's like, dude, there's 567 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,280 just a lot to it. And there's like a it's like one 568 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,120 of those things where it's like your dude wakes up at the day 569 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:22,960 and it's like, all right, I need to go get my tasks done and 570 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,080 stuff. And once I get those done, then 571 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,160 I'm like, all right, now it's time to grow. 572 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,360 It's one of those games that I think you would lose a lot of 573 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:28,120 time into. I'm just. 574 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,640 Kind of imagining just like a much less wholesome version of 575 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,560 Stardew Valley's gameplay loop here I'm. 576 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,600 Just thinking like in my head, the Willie's Weed factory and 577 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,200 he's just, you just got like the warehouse, you got shelves on 578 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,760 shelves, you got workers in there automating everything. 579 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,320 So you just walk in there and start bagging or grabbing 580 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,840 Baggies and then you just walk out and just making thousands of 581 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,320 dollars. Like I can just picture it in my 582 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,560 head. You would have like Factorio of 583 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,120 marijuana going. I was going to say, you're 584 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,400 definitely making me want to play Satisfactory some more. 585 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,400 But yeah, it's it's a lot of fun at the very minimum, the very, 586 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,080 very charming game for just being a little, a little drug 587 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,360 selling game and. Yeah, I thought it was going to 588 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,120 when I first like just saw the graphics. 589 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,560 I'm like, OK, this looks like some like stupid South Park 590 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,560 humor type thing. I was not really interested. 591 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,520 But yeah, looking more into it, it did seem a lot like cooler 592 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,320 than I thought initially. And for an indie title with a 593 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,320 small team, fucking nailed the physics that they do in the 594 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,160 game. Because when you first start 595 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,080 out, you just have like you don't, I don't have the little 596 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,440 automatic baggy thing that I have that just drops the weed in 597 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,600 the bag and then moves it over here and it seals it and throws 598 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,880 it. You get a table and you put some 599 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,440 Baggies on it and it puts a bud down on the table and then have 600 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,440 an open baggie and you have to click the bud and move it up and 601 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,680 physically put it in the baggie and then click the top of the 602 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,840 baggie to close it. I got pretty good at that doing 603 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,440 that quickly. But it it's really like reactive 604 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,880 and smooth, you know what I mean? 605 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,240 Like, and I'm impressed because I've played some indie games 606 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,400 where they tried to do physics that just didn't physic, you 607 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,480 know what I mean? So enjoying it a lot. 608 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,000 It's not a it's not a super expensive game. 609 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,320 I think it's like 20 bucks. So I mean, if it sounds 610 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,160 interesting to you at all, give it a shot. 611 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,240 Schedule 1. Yeah, it looks like it was made 612 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,360 by one dude named Tyler in Unity. 613 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:09,600 So the the classic small guy garage game goes big. 614 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,680 You love to hear it. Yeah, man, I think we could do 615 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,480 it. I don't know what we'd do. 616 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,520 I'll do what I like. I do what I want do. 617 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,400 What I. Want. 618 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,840 Oh man. Well, I'm sure there were other 619 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,720 things that I wanted to talk about and I don't remember 620 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,240 because that's. Yeah, I was. 621 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,360 There was definitely one other thing. 622 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:26,280 Oh, I wanted to mention this might be almost a scheduling 623 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,000 note of sorts, but next week Nate is going to be on vacation. 624 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,320 So I'm going to be kind of house sitting at pet sitting for him. 625 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,520 So I'm going to have like about a week where I'm not as 626 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,800 reachable. Oh yeah? 627 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,240 Well, we don't have an episode. Hopefully I'll be able to, yeah, 628 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,200 hopefully I'll be bringing my, I'm bringing my external hard 629 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,080 drive with me and hopefully Octopath will work and I can 630 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,560 play through a lot of it while I'm over there. 631 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,640 Yeah, that should run smoothly, just I mean, you might need to 632 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,120 copy your save over to unless it's just on the same drive. 633 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,120 I need to figure out what to save. 634 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,400 I don't know if it's on the same drive. 635 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,200 I'll have to make sure it doesn't go to the documents 636 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,320 folder like some games do. Yeah, yeah, man. 637 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaking of Octopath, the the current quest I'm on in that 638 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,920 game, without giving away too much I am thoroughly enjoying I 639 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,000 will say it. I I really need to get back into 640 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,880 it because I was really loving the little bit I got to so far. 641 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:13,480 I'm on the I. Want to still? 642 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,960 I haven't even met all the characters yet. 643 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,680 Have you met Ocheta? No, no. 644 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,960 OK, I'm on her second chapter and it fucking rules. 645 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,760 So which one? Did you really like her? 646 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,680 You will meet her. She is. 647 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,480 Did you look at all the characters in the beginning? 648 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,760 Yeah, I I looked through all of them, even though I was pretty 649 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,880 sure I knew which one I was going to be. 650 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,280 Immediately, she's the little like beastling, okay? 651 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,120 Okay, isn't that like all the way on the East End of the map? 652 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,280 Yes, I believe so. That's definitely gonna be the 653 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,360 last one I get to cuz I started basically with the never mind. 654 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,160 We don't need to talk about that game on this episode. 655 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,040 That's for that games. Episode. 656 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,920 I know who you started with though. 657 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,320 Yeah, I got you, bud. Yeah, yeah, no, this episode we 658 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,880 played a game called the Turing Test, which let me tell you when 659 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,680 I went on YouTube and like because like after I finished 660 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,880 the game, I was like, let me go see if anybody's like done 661 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,360 videos about this. There's like a couple 12 minute 662 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,920 videos. There are no deep dives on this, 663 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,280 but Zeke from dropped frames shout out. 664 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,560 Not that he needs our shout out because he's a huge streamer, 665 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,240 but Ezekiel the third has a long play of it on YouTube. 666 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,720 So shout out to him because that was like the one long thing I 667 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,560 found about it. I didn't I didn't get to finish 668 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,720 it yet, but this is not as popular as I for some reason 669 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,720 thought it was. I was thinking that this made an 670 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,480 impact when it came out and it may have, but I just like 671 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,120 apparently there are other Turing test games and they also 672 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,160 come up in the search and stuff and it was just throwing me off. 673 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,480 But that goes back to our Patreon conversation. 674 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,440 Yes, the Turing test is a first person puzzle. 675 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,960 Oh, this is the obligatory we could booty a bullshit. 676 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,280 I feel like I should tell people that The Turing Test is a first 677 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,040 person puzzle video game developed by Bulkhead 678 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,880 Interactive and published by Square Enix Collective. 679 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,680 The game was released from Microsoft Windows and Xbox One 680 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,000 August 2016 for PlayStation 4, January 2017 for Nintendo 681 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,600 Switch, and February 2024. Oh OK I see. 682 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,920 The way that I was reading that was fucked up. 683 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,040 And and for Stadia in May 2020. Remember Stadia? 684 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,040 Everybody remember Stadia? What did I say earlier about 685 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,080 Google killing stuff on the Patriots? 686 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,480 Sir, it's exactly what I was thinking. 687 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,200 The Turing Test is a puzzle game with gameplay experience from a 688 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,680 first person perspective. The player assumes the role of 689 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,760 Ava Turing, an International Space Agency worker engineer 690 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,720 working at a research station located on Europa, one of 691 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,240 Jupiter's moons. So Willie, first impressions, 692 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,400 man, What? What did you think? 693 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,120 What was your, you know, opening thoughts? 694 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,920 What did you expect going into it? 695 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,920 I mean, I think I came in with pretty reasonable expectations 696 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,240 that it's a first person puzzle game with some, you know, 697 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,400 elements of based on, you know, computer science, especially 698 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,480 with the title and all that. So I figured, hey, it's going to 699 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,120 be, you know, kind of a puzzly thing like Portal or Talos, and 700 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,840 it's going to be, you know, full of references to questions about 701 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,440 AI like you might expect. And yeah, I would say completely 702 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,840 satisfied by how close I got to it. 703 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,120 It was pretty much what I expected. 704 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,760 Yeah, I think I'm in the same boat with you. 705 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,240 It was like, this is probably gonna have something to do with 706 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,400 Man and Machine and probably Portal esque. 707 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,440 That was the vibe I got from it. And yeah, it's absolutely 708 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,640 succeeded on all of those fronts. 709 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,280 In Portal esque, and especially in the sense that you're in 710 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,040 basically a laboratory setting for the majority of the game and 711 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,240 it is sequential puzzle after puzzle. 712 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,240 Yeah, like there's not the open roaming that there wasn't Talos 713 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,440 Principle You you do Chamber 21, then Chamber 22, then Chamber 23 714 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,000 with a few optional secret chambers that are like bonus 715 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,760 puzzles for extra interesting dialogue and stuff. 716 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,560 Yeah. And you're basically awoken by 717 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,320 Tom, who is, what does that stand for? 718 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,600 Technical operations machine, I believe, yeah. 719 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,200 And it stands for I'm a robot and. 720 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,760 He's, yeah, he's a, a, an artificial intelligence that is 721 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,960 the overseer of this base. And he starts telling you like, 722 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,320 we need to find the ground crew. So the whole story is that the 723 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,000 ground crew woke up 10 years previously to start building the 724 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,360 space on Europa. And Ava awakes 10 supposed to 725 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,360 awake 10 years later to help with it or something. 726 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,120 I don't remember exactly why, but she gets woken up early and 727 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,760 they're like something's going on with the ground crew. 728 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,080 We need to go find them. But I need your Tom's like I 729 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:17,240 need your help because in the way of finding them are 70 730 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,280 Turing tests. And and that's, that's the the 731 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,400 basic plot of the game is that isn't you're helping Tom get 732 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,560 through these tests. The central conceit is that the 733 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,000 70 puzzles are, you know, it's physics puzzles. 734 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,280 It's kind of like a lot of those other games, not as physicsy as 735 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,200 like Portal, by the way, but you know what I mean. 736 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,480 It's put thing here. So that surfaced there or go 737 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,880 etcetera, etcetera. And the central conceit is that 738 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,760 Tom does not have the lateral thinking ability or the 739 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,960 creativity to solve these puzzles. 740 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,240 So they were put together specifically to determine that 741 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,240 only a human could pass. Through which I found that. 742 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,400 I'd like the example given is in the very first room, for 743 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,040 instance, there's like a fuse box type object. 744 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,880 You need to move from one place to another to open a door and 745 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,200 you can pass it through a window in between the two. 746 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,160 And when you speak to Tom, he's like, yeah, see, I don't have 747 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,800 the creative ability. I wouldn't have been and able to 748 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,440 think to throw it through the window. 749 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,920 Yes, you, you, you. He lacks the ability to think 750 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,920 outside the box, literally. Did you right away realize, and 751 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,159 this is, I want to know how long because it took me a while to 752 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:16,560 realize this. When you're getting into the 753 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,360 levels. So you have this little gun 754 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,719 thing, it's like an energy absorber of of some sort. 755 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,560 And there are, you have, like you said, the circuitry box 756 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,679 things that you use to plug in to open a door or whatever. 757 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,520 But there's also just spots that are like a circular hole in the 758 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,679 wall that you can shoot and pull these balls of energy from. 759 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,719 How long did it take you to realize you could store more 760 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,760 than one of those in your gun? I'll be honest, little bitty me 761 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,719 not quite expecting the game to be as friendly as it was. 762 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,920 Type holdups are definitely one of the things that beat me more 763 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,840 than the actual puzzles did. Like it did take me away before, 764 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,639 I just got frustrated and tried pulling out two orbs. 765 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,720 Yeah, it and. Then and then after I'm like OK, 766 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,160 it's easy again. It took me getting stuck on a 767 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,360 puzzle pretty late in the game and watching some dude run 768 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,720 through it real quick on YouTube to see what I was doing wrong 769 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,520 and watch him go zip zip zip and pull three things into his gun 770 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,760 now with son of a bitch. Yeah, there were a few moments 771 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,360 of that. We'll probably need to get a 772 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,920 little bit more into the plot before I can talk about one of 773 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,280 the mechanics that I definitely struggled with. 774 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,200 But yeah. So the the main starter puzzles 775 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,600 are basically doors that you open with either the the fuse 776 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,680 boxes, cubes, let's just call them cubes and orbs. 777 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,840 So we know what we're talking about. 778 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,520 The cubes you have to physically pick up and move to the location 779 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,800 they go to, and the orbs you can pull off from a distance and 780 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,320 carry up to three at a time. And then the further you get 781 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,240 into the game, there's different kinds of orbs, like the green 782 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:46,720 ones that cycle on and off. So you have they're only on half 783 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:48,840 the time. Purple orbs which cycle on and 784 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,480 off in opposite time with the green ones. 785 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,760 So they're like Chun Chun Chun and. 786 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,720 This was. There's a red orb I think that 787 00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,800 was like it only powered something for a couple. 788 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,760 Seconds, yeah, it gives you like, I don't know, 5 to 7 789 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,280 seconds to do whatever you're doing. 790 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,800 I think it varies on the machine because there are definitely 791 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,360 some that seem like a lot longer than others but got 5 or. 792 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,840 The green and the purple ones, the one that really kicked it in 793 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,360 for me that I had to pay attention to which one did what. 794 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,240 Because normally you just go in a room and it would be all of 795 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:19,480 one color or all of another color and you kind of just dealt 796 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,360 with it that way. But the one where you're in the 797 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,200 puzzle and you have to have the cameras that go up and down? 798 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,200 Holy shit. And you have to get it so that 799 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,280 cameras can see each other. I'm going to be honest, I got 800 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,080 90% of their the way there had one thing backwards and just 801 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,800 brute forced it with like quick frame, perfect timing because 802 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,000 there was just a little instant where they could see each other. 803 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,360 And I absolutely used that to cheat at that. 804 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,160 Puzzle yeah, there were definitely a few times where I 805 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,280 was like oh I can just oh, it showed up hold on let me do that 806 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,040 again yes OK good. Yeah, there were more than once 807 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,000 that I did that where it was just like, all right, I'm making 808 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,560 this work. Specifically, I feel like the 809 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,560 only really timing heavy puzzles like that were the ones where it 810 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,960 was about the cameras moving up and down really quickly. 811 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,000 So as you're going through it now, you read more of the. 812 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,000 Actually, in that case, since we've just brought up the 813 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,920 cameras, that was the one thing I wanted to talk about too. 814 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,560 At one point, you gained the ability to switch from directly 815 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,360 controlling Ava motion first person to basically a view 816 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,520 through a camera where you see a third person view of Ava and you 817 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,560 have to have a Direct Line of sight to the camera to switch to 818 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,120 the camera. So I actually took a really a 819 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,360 long time to solve one of the earlier puzzles because I 820 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,240 thought I would need a line of sight to switch back too, and it 821 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,760 turns out you can hit back, switch backspace to always 822 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,880 switch directly back to Ava. Also took me way longer than I 823 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,360 like to admit that that. Yeah, yes. 824 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,200 Because I didn't even try it or something. 825 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,920 I didn't walk through that door because I'm like, well, there's 826 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,920 no way I'm going to be able to see the camera from here. 827 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,880 Dude, I am right there with you. There were multiple times in the 828 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,480 earlier game where I would be like oh man, she's not in my 829 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,560 sight. So I would go, run all the way 830 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,640 back, switch, move the robot to where I could see it and then 831 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:58,920 go. And then once I figured out 832 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,640 there was just a back button I went mother fucker. 833 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,320 Oh yeah, the very last chamber. In fact, I had a lot of 834 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,200 struggles with just trying to figure out how to get a line of 835 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,560 sight on the drone at the right moment. 836 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,080 And then it turned out I was doing it completely the wrong 837 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,240 way. And I really, really think that 838 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,800 the solution had a clever hidden meaning to it. 839 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,480 But I'll bring that up when we get again later on in the plot. 840 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,720 Now I know you, I think read far more of the like crew logs and 841 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,720 stuff than I did because. I listened to every audio log, 842 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,960 read every piece of paper that was in the game, and did all the 843 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,520 hidden bonus puzzles so there were even more of those. 844 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,800 Well, yeah, there you go. I did not. 845 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,120 I would come across them every now and then and read them, but 846 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,720 I was so focused on seeing the end. 847 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:44,600 I'm like, where is this going? Like I just kept asking myself 848 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,120 that where is this going so. Well, because there were 849 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,280 specific pieces of information I was trying to piece together 850 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,040 throughout the game. I was paying really close 851 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,120 attention to everything, just in case something was a little 852 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,480 hidden, you know? So from what I remember, as 853 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,040 you're getting deeper and you're going further into the game, Tom 854 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,080 starts talking about some of the team's members are already dead 855 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,480 and there are others that need help. 856 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,120 He's telling you to hurry up and that's, And that's the time when 857 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,880 Tom like, oh, some of these require both of us and that's 858 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,520 when you can start switching between the two. 859 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:20,480 So Tom can control the cameras and the there's little drones 860 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,240 that kind of move pretty similar to Ava. 861 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,560 If you're in the camera or drone control, you have the ability to 862 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,840 manipulate certain switches that Ava can't do on her own, but you 863 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,480 have to control Ava to manipulate other devices like 864 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,600 things with handles, the fuse boxes, etcetera. 865 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,640 Now, interestingly, the drones can actually carry one of the 866 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,360 little power orbs, so that ended up being used for a couple of 867 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,520 really Trixie puzzles towards. The end, I was just about to 868 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,880 say. And how long did it take you to 869 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,240 realize there was one on the back of that fucking robot? 870 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,680 Because I was like son of a bitch. 871 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,560 Yep, that was the exact other one. 872 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,920 It was specifically the one where there's a bridge that you 873 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,520 could there's a really long bridge that you only have a red 874 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,960 orb to light up. And it took me a while before I 875 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:02,760 realized I could grab the orb and it would show up on the back 876 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,360 of my dude. And then I mean, the dude isn't 877 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,000 drone. And So what you could do is use 878 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,760 roll him over somewhere where Ava. 879 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,840 Headline of sight to him and then trade out the blue thing 880 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,720 downstairs for him and then just zip up. 881 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,600 We're not just oh doom guy though, Doom guy. 882 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,280 No, get up, finish the fight. Me to tell me that ain't Master 883 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,480 Chief? Book it up the stairs. 884 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,320 Yeah, I wanted to say finish the fight. 885 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,440 It's the Master Chief thing. Doom guy. 886 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,640 You're our only hope. But another question I have now 887 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,040 this is this is getting into spoilers for the story, so just. 888 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,640 Yeah. Should we, should we take 889 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,080 another step forward to the story then? 890 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:36,880 Yeah. Before. 891 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,960 OK, so at this point it's not entirely clear at first, but you 892 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,280 find out pretty quickly, or at least before the halfway 893 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,560 pointer, so that the Turing tests were designed by the true 894 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,320 because they do not want Tom to have access to them, they are 895 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,400 hiding from him. Yeah, and in the few logs that I 896 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,120 read, I got that same vibe where they're like, Tom, there's 897 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,880 something weird with him going on right now. 898 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,920 Yeah, he starts to get really increasingly like obsessed with 899 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,440 the idea of proving that he's a conscious being. 900 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,920 For instance, complete committing a lot of arguments 901 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,840 with the true over the Chinese Room experiment, the Turing test 902 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,000 and other concepts in AI. Research and again must say 903 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,200 again, spoiler warning so this is from here on out. 904 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,920 There's things in the game that we're going to talk about that 905 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,360 are spoiler so just so you know but yeah So what did you think 906 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,720 Willie? When you start going down that 907 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:27,160 hallway and all of the screens are lit up that just say like 908 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,320 possessed and you have the chick talking to you, she's basically 909 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,440 telling you that you're not controlling yourself right now, 910 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,640 that Tom is controlling you because of a chip that is 911 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,280 implanted inside of your body. How did you feel about that? 912 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,960 Did you think that that was like AM night Shyama Lama Ding Dong? 913 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,120 I thought it was an interesting twist in the game because even 914 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,120 when you have access to controlling Tom's cameras and 915 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,680 drones, but before you're completely spelled out for you, 916 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,320 I always thought it was strange that you use the same button to 917 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,480 switch back to taking control of Ava as you would to flip a 918 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,240 switch or to control a robotic drone or something. 919 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,200 As if he was controlling her the same way. 920 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,880 Not just that you were swapping characters, which is how the 921 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,960 game initially wants you to believe it's going. 922 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,600 Yeah, so it's at this point that you or Ava starts questioning 923 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,320 Tom and being like, what the hell? 924 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,400 And the the surprise to me was I figured that that was going to 925 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,760 be towards the end of the game. No, this is like halfway through 926 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,680 because Ava was like, well, I still have to work with you, you 927 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,560 son of a bitch, because we got to get through here. 928 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,680 Yeah, so you spend pretty much the rest of the game kind of 929 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:30,600 debating the nature of consciousness, morality, the OK, 930 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,440 we we actually jumped over a pretty big plot point, which was 931 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,000 that there was a there was life, specifically life on Europa that 932 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,280 essentially was immortal because of some kind of lichen like 933 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,080 formation of a like a retrovirus and a bacteria or something that 934 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,840 it could constantly repair its own genes. 935 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,880 So it never aged or took like radiation damage. 936 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,520 It's like an extremophile Organism that was basically 937 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,120 immortal. And basically the crew is 938 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:02,240 exposed to that Organism and begin to just show signs that 939 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:06,280 they also are no longer aging or, you know, capable of 940 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,680 getting, you know, basically any kind of genetic telomere damage. 941 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,800 Yeah. And to me also, it seemed like 942 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,520 it was affecting them where they were like almost making them 943 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,640 want to spread it, where they're like, no, this could save 944 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,560 humanity. We could get everybody had to 945 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,800 have on this. You know, it's like heroin's 946 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,280 great, everyone should do heroin. 947 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,120 Yeah, it it wasn't ever clearly spelled out whether the alien 948 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,120 life was affecting their minds or if it was just their 949 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,120 paranoia, their distrust of Tom because of the fact that they 950 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,680 didn't realize how thorough the implant was. 951 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,280 And Tom does some bad stuff too, like they have good reason not 952 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,280 to trust him. No, yeah, he, he, he was given 953 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,200 the direct order to not let anyone come back. 954 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,320 The ground crew had been exposed, so they were doomed to 955 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,920 that moon and. And of course the ground crew 956 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,400 hated it because they were, they were now immortal. 957 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,680 They would be living on this rock for forever, literally. 958 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,200 And basically nobody back home even really fully knew about it 959 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,440 because Tom basically was the one that filtered information 960 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,720 back to the ISA, which is future NASA. 961 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,800 Yeah, and the ISA told Tom, you know, dispose of them basically. 962 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,640 So he tried locking them out of the place, and he tried 963 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,160 starving. I don't think he actually ever 964 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,600 contacts. I don't think he ever actually 965 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,640 contacted her. I think he had enough authority 966 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,000 to just do that on his own that he made the executive decision 967 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,160 to never tell them exactly what was going on back home. 968 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,520 I don't think there was a human override at any point. 969 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,160 Gotcha. OK, well, even in that case, 970 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,960 like he, he locked them out of the base to try to get them to 971 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,520 die out in the, the nature of it. 972 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,440 He tried to starve, he did all kinds of things and none of it 973 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,120 worked. I think some people died, but 974 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,760 then they got exposed to the the thing and then they it hasn't 975 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,640 been successful since. Yeah, he definitely successfully 976 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,560 killed like one of them and I think one of them. 977 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,680 I don't actually it's hard to say what happened to the Russian 978 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,240 guy. So I definitely don't think he's 979 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,800 still alive at the end of the game, but I can't remember if 980 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,680 they ever tell you exactly what happened. 981 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,240 I know that he was the first one to try to remove the implant and 982 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,040 he basically attempted it by taking his whole arm off. 983 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,040 So I think he he might have bled out or something big 984 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,320 complications from that because he was the most paranoid and 985 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,680 anti Tom out of all of them. He was also the one Tom kept 986 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,080 annoying the most with his little stupid ass questions 987 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,360 about whether AI was real or you know, really alive. 988 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,680 Am I real? Yeah. 989 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,880 And he? Oh no, it wasn't just am I real? 990 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,800 Was do you think you're better than me? 991 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,040 I can't do that, Dave. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I was going 992 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,560 to say this at some point, but yes, absolutely. 993 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,960 The script of this character is 100% Hal 9000. 994 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,440 I mean, they can talk about how they were inspired by like 995 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,320 Portal and Taylor's Principle and all of that. 996 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,200 But you can, you can show me the recipe you said you used. 997 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,600 I know what Chips Ahoy tastes like. 998 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,280 That's fair. The I liked when he was, you 999 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,320 know, talking to Ava and being like, this Organism, if it's 1000 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,280 brought back to Earth, will be catastrophic. 1001 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,240 She's like, yeah, but you can't kill the ground crew. 1002 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,480 He's like, what's the lives of a few to save the lives of many? 1003 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,520 And that is such a calculated thing. 1004 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,600 Like that's an emotionless answer. 1005 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,960 But he also correctly points out because of the unknown, like 1006 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,240 what is this going to do to cancer cells that can now never 1007 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,360 die? What's this going to do to the 1008 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,960 the gestation of an infant? What would happen if a child or? 1009 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:25,400 You know, somebody who's, you know, brain dead in in a not a 1010 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,720 maybe not even in a coma, but just one of those people who 1011 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,960 just aren't in the best form of life that they could be living 1012 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,280 and suddenly that you. Want to force immortality? 1013 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,600 Yes, suddenly they're immortal and they have to live like that 1014 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,240 forever. At least becoming a vampire you 1015 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,600 usually have a choice in the immortality. 1016 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,880 Yeah, I'd say usually. So I'm going to go ahead and 1017 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,240 take a step here and say that I think maybe making the question 1018 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:51,480 directly immortality kind of caused the game to maybe 1019 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,240 overcomplicate the number of themes it was working with. 1020 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,520 Explain. I just think that the main story 1021 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,680 of the game essentially, or at least what it rides on the most, 1022 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,520 the one that the game's title it on, that most of the flavor text 1023 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,600 is based on, is the concept of AI Sapiens. 1024 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,760 When you add the immortality to the equation, I get that the 1025 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,560 idea is that it makes it even more difficult for human 1026 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,960 morality to understand, but I think it muddles the message to 1027 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,640 some extent. Like I think if it was some kind 1028 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,560 of simpler thing, like it gave them some kind of like enhanced 1029 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,320 cognition or something like that, but didn't make them 1030 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,840 literally immortal, that the questions would be just as fair. 1031 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,640 But. I don't know, I mean. 1032 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,800 Like it feels like there's a there's just direct, direct 1033 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,440 reasons to argue against immortality in the first place. 1034 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:40,760 Yeah. You know, there are times where 1035 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,600 I think about, you know, oh, it would be cool to live. 1036 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,200 It would be real cool to live forever. 1037 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,480 But then you start thinking about it and you're like, what 1038 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,600 do you do after you've seen literally everything? 1039 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:52,640 As the bad, Bad Religion once put it, eternity, my friend, is 1040 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,880 a long fucking time. Yeah. 1041 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,040 Yes, Sir. So you you're making your your 1042 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,520 way and you're doing more puzzles, they get more 1043 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,240 difficult. This game did a really good job 1044 00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:04,720 at I feel like introducing new mechanics without overwhelming 1045 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,000 you with mechanics. Oh, I would absolutely say that 1046 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,560 that's one of the most favorable comparisons I have to this game. 1047 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,920 Compared to like Taylor's Principle. 1048 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,080 I really feel like this game never reached the point where it 1049 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,480 was having me juggle too many balls mentally. 1050 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,240 I never entered a puzzle and went oh God, I got to figure out 1051 00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:22,040 how these things interact. I'm just like OK I'm pretty sure 1052 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,320 what I've learned is going to help and there's like 1 new 1053 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,600 thing at. Most now the one that I do want 1054 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,640 to talk about before we get into the end is a puzzle that you 1055 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,400 messaged to me about that I also had a similar feeling to right, 1056 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,280 and it was one of the very end of the like puzzles. 1057 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,240 There's you go into a room and there's I want to. 1058 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,000 Speak about puzzle design some more. 1059 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,240 Yeah, please go. Through this but then. 1060 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,960 There's a long bridge that's made of like the the light that 1061 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,200 you're working with, and there are. 1062 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,800 No, it's not a hard light bridge. 1063 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,920 It's a rotatable physical. Bridge, was it physical? 1064 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,440 I thought it was a rotatable light bridge. 1065 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,720 OK, so. No, it was movable by a handle. 1066 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,000 Ava could move it via a lever, move it back. 1067 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,320 Right. And you could slide it because? 1068 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,240 It was only half the length of the corridor. 1069 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,880 Yeah, it was half the length of the corridor. 1070 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,240 And then when you moved over to the camera you could rotate. 1071 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,920 Okay, that's right. So you get in there and there's 1072 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,600 different spots that you have to give to that are lifted blocks 1073 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,760 and there's rooms off to the side and you're like, well, how 1074 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,720 am I gonna do that? And you're sitting there, you're 1075 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,280 messing with things, and you can get to the first two pretty 1076 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,000 easily. And then it's just like, well, 1077 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,160 how do I get to the ones in the MIT? 1078 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,560 Wait a minute, What if I slide it forward some in diagonal, aim 1079 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,160 it? I can run and jump and I'll make 1080 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,640 it to that corner. And then I can then run to the 1081 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,680 other side of the bridge, go to that corner on the other side, 1082 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,720 hop over and be where I need to go. 1083 00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,760 I wonder if that'll work. And then you do it and it works. 1084 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,240 And you're like, fuck yeah, I'm a fucking yeah. 1085 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,920 That was, I think, the best puzzle in the game. 1086 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,240 And the final, the final lap of that puzzle too, was pretty cool 1087 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,480 because there was a second puzzle where you needed to be 1088 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,720 able to get past a basically hit the elevator on time. 1089 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,320 And it took me a while to figure out again, another outside of 1090 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,760 the box solution to make that possible. 1091 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,080 And this is birth where I'm going to criticize and 1092 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,880 congratulate the game because those are the exact puzzles that 1093 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,880 I completely understand the Turing test concede of the game. 1094 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,680 Those are very human type of solutions, like where you aren't 1095 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,880 just, you know, going with the obvious rigid constraints of the 1096 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,000 puzzle. You come up with something like 1097 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,600 a diagonal bridge that you've never seen before in any puzzle 1098 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:19,480 in the game. Yeah. 1099 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,240 The problem is most of the puzzles in the game really seem 1100 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:25,920 to be more like, almost more like logic gate puzzles than 1101 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,160 anything else. Like putting two things in a 1102 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,680 door so they stay in the right sync so that they their 1103 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,120 frequencies overlap and you can make it through that door, for 1104 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,400 instance. A lot of it felt like exactly 1105 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,800 the kind of thing, like exactly the kind of thing a computer 1106 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,640 would have been very well built for. 1107 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,400 I can see that there was a puzzle towards the end. 1108 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,120 I don't know how you felt about it. 1109 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,760 It was my least favorite puzzle in the game. 1110 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,080 You go into the room and there's the big magnet, there's like a 1111 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,800 button on the side, but then in the middle of the room there's a 1112 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,440 big pillar and then it drops down and there's that moving 1113 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,400 floor. The rotating Yeah conveyor. 1114 00:50:59,400 --> 00:50:59,880 Belt. Thank you. 1115 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,440 Conveyor belt. I was gonna say I can't want to 1116 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,800 say treadmill. I'm like, that's not right. 1117 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,240 You're gonna call it. You're gonna call it the 1118 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:09,080 airplane, treadmill or airport. The airport thing, yeah, yeah, I 1119 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,160 did not like that puzzle because I felt stupid when I figured out 1120 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,360 what I was supposed to do. I was. 1121 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,280 I did like that puzzle for one thing, and I don't know if the 1122 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,120 way I did it is the only way to do it. 1123 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,440 I thought it had a really cool thematic finish to it, which is 1124 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,120 that the only way I could figure out to make that puzzle work was 1125 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,640 to leave Ava on the conveyor belt and essentially make her 1126 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,640 part of a machine that operates on its own while the drone does 1127 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,680 the rest of the work. OK, see I I had, I think I 1128 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,960 dropped the the block in into the thing once I got the door 1129 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,800 open so I could get the robot into the room. 1130 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,120 I then took the block and dropped it in there so when it 1131 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,280 would go by it would block that. I think that's how I did. 1132 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:49,520 I don't. Yeah, I tried that, but then you 1133 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,800 couldn't. But then you couldn't press the 1134 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,280 button because you didn't have any physical heavy objects left 1135 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,160 to press the big button. Oh shit, well then oh fuck, I 1136 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,080 don't remember. I might have been. 1137 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,000 I might have used Ava too. Hell, I don't remember, it's 1138 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,080 been a few days. But that. 1139 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,560 I do agree though that that that bridge puzzle was probably the 1140 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,880 best puzzle in the game. It was just so satisfying. 1141 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,360 I mean, I just thought that that was, yeah, it was the most, it 1142 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,240 felt the most like the the outside of the boxing that Tom 1143 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,600 claims you're he's not allowed to do. 1144 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,920 Also, I did think there was a really interesting bit of 1145 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,400 dialogue early on in the game where this is still before you 1146 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,080 have any real suspicion of Tom and you're talking to him about 1147 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,680 his limitations and stuff. And you basically like, okay, so 1148 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,000 why aren't you allowed to act creatively? 1149 00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:32,440 And he says, well, the way a robot acts creatively is that 1150 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,320 what we do is we iterate through every possible circumstance, 1151 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,080 Like everything that could possibly work, we brute force 1152 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,520 it. So, you know, that wouldn't have 1153 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,240 come to me for years, possibly. And then you ask him, OK, well, 1154 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:47,760 I know you're not supposed to, but could you try to act 1155 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,200 creatively and think of an answer to this puzzle? 1156 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,560 And he suggests maybe you could tear your arm off and leave it 1157 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,960 on the pressure plate. And one, obviously, that's 1158 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,600 supposed to be an unsatisfactory solution. 1159 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,200 He's not even trying to be funny. 1160 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,960 It's just he's demonstrating why he can't do it. 1161 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,560 But two, he did not require that much cajoling to try to do the 1162 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,480 thing he said he's incapable of doing. 1163 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,560 Yeah, that's true. Tear your arm off. 1164 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,800 Surely you'll survive, Ava. So you start getting through the 1165 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,360 last puzzles, and you finally meet up with, I think her name 1166 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,560 was Sarah. Yeah. 1167 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,440 Yeah, Sarah, the. And this is an interesting part 1168 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,200 of the game because you're you're you can just stop moving 1169 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,120 and the game will continue to move you like you're in a 1170 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,640 cutscene effectively at this point in an engine. 1171 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,600 And you're walking down these halls and all the screens are 1172 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,120 saying all these different things again, like possessed and 1173 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,240 all of that. And you get to the final area 1174 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,800 and Sarah comes walking up to you. 1175 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,200 She says he's controlling you by a chip in your hand. 1176 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,160 And I have to remove it. And here's where I was thinking 1177 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,440 oh, I'm going to get a choice here. 1178 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,320 Yeah, but me too, actually. And here's where I realized that 1179 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,760 this entire time we hadn't been playing as Ava. 1180 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,400 Because right girl pops the chip out of your hand or out of Ava's 1181 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,520 hand and the camera goes and you connect to a camera on the wall 1182 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,760 and you're looking down on the two of them. 1183 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,240 And there's another instance in the game like this where you're 1184 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,200 following Ava, watching her through cameras as she's 1185 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,040 walking. But in this one, she's walking 1186 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,800 with this Sarah chick and it's cutting through. 1187 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,240 And Tom's like begging them to stop. 1188 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,640 And they're like, no, we have to, we have to go shut Tom down. 1189 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,280 And then we're gonna we're going home. 1190 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,600 And Tom's like, I can't let you do that, Dave. 1191 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,080 Like and. Yeah, he might as well, yeah. 1192 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:33,120 And I think it's Sarah that says be careful, he's got a machine 1193 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,000 gun thing up here. He has a live. 1194 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,200 Yeah, a live weapon. So I immediately which? 1195 00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:40,160 Makes sense because there's a couple of puzzles early on in 1196 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,160 the game where it's barely used for anything, but there are a 1197 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,400 couple where you have a camera with a machine gun turret on it 1198 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,160 that you used to basically shoot down a large box. 1199 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,800 That happens twice in the rest of the game, but the first time 1200 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,640 it happened I'm like why on earth does this guy have access 1201 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,080 to a mini gun? Right. 1202 00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:01,080 There's a mini gun laser just and so you switch to this final 1203 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,960 camera and it's got the gun on it and you see Ava and Sarah 1204 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,680 walking into the room where the main, the mainframe is at for 1205 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,840 Tom. And you have a choice. 1206 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,520 This is the final. This is the choice of the game. 1207 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,400 Do you let them shut you down or do you kill them? 1208 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,520 Before I tell you what I did, how did you go about this gun? 1209 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,240 I know you shot them. Like did you let them like start 1210 00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:24,760 to come into the room or anything? 1211 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,760 Yes, the when they started tearing stuff out of the wall 1212 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,840 and I started obviously taking damage, I'm like, I better act 1213 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:30,760 now. I was waiting to see if there 1214 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,960 was any more dialogue first and it seemed like there was, but 1215 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,440 not enough that I was worried about it. 1216 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,000 I had been thoroughly convinced that Sarah was out of her mind 1217 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,200 and that this was a terrible decision. 1218 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,560 So when I switched to that gun, as soon as they both were in the 1219 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,920 doorway, not even fully through it yet, I lit them both up and 1220 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,720 just left them laying there dead. 1221 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,840 And if you heard the beginning of this episode, it was 1222 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,040 foreshadowing because the final words that you hear in the game 1223 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,920 are Ava, Ava, Ava, wake up. Ava just a distress, Tom. 1224 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,680 It's bleak. It's a bleak in either way, 1225 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,560 because now Tom, who is this artificial intelligence that 1226 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:15,600 you're not sure is sentient or not, is now doomed to just be in 1227 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,680 this station until his shit finally just gives way 1228 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,920 eventually and he corrupts and dies. 1229 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,800 Or he gets shut down, torn up, and they go and they take this 1230 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,080 Organism back to earth and possibly doom humanity or save 1231 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,000 it. And I did watch both endings 1232 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,080 because it thankfully the game lets you Fast forward back to 1233 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,000 the epilogue, so you basically start right down that big last 1234 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,120 hallway. I did try the other way. 1235 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,840 And if you were with me and thinking that this guy is maybe 1236 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,560 jockeying howl, Steve's a little bit too hard on some of these 1237 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,720 parts. At one point towards the end he 1238 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,880 literally is like I'm afraid I don't want to die. 1239 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,000 He doesn't sing Daisy Daisy, which I was literally thinking 1240 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,760 if he does that I'm going to RIP this game apart on the show. 1241 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,240 Even though I liked it as a puzzle game, it didn't go that 1242 00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:05,160 far. But I will say that I think that 1243 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,000 the game was better as a sci-fi story than a shocking ending. 1244 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,640 And I don't think it actually had a whole lot of new things to 1245 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,520 say about the themes, just that they wanted to think about them 1246 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,080 a lot. Yeah, and I was a little upset 1247 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,320 when I realized that either way you end the game, it tells you, 1248 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,200 congratulations, you've passed the Turing test. 1249 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,560 It would have been interesting if there was a correct answer. 1250 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,400 Yeah, if there was a fail state, like if if you did something and 1251 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,080 failed, you failed the Turing do not pass go, do not collect 1252 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,640 $200.00. But dude, interesting little 1253 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,320 experience, man. Is there anything else you 1254 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,240 wanted to touch on about it before we give it a rating? 1255 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,160 I'm just of a couple of minds of it. 1256 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,600 I think that the writing wasn't bad. 1257 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,360 They clearly were pretty researched on this. 1258 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,920 Like, you know, like you said, it was inspired by the Talos 1259 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,560 Principle, which is also a game that had a lot of research in 1260 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,000 the writing and a lot of beautiful writing. 1261 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,360 And I thought that this game was really good at the, you know, 1262 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,480 audio logs and hidden or left behind notes type of 1263 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,000 storytelling, which not always works. 1264 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,280 I thought I did a good job with that. 1265 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,320 But yeah, I don't think it had anything new to say about it. 1266 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,880 And the problem is it spend so much time quoting more, you 1267 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,320 know, the initial experiments, the initial thought projects, 1268 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,320 the initial scientists that have thought about it. 1269 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,360 All I could think is smarter people have already thought 1270 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,880 about this. And all you're doing is telling 1271 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,440 us that that happened. On the other hand, if this was a 1272 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,240 a thought that wasn't on your radar before that made you think 1273 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,200 about the ideas in it, that's, you know, I can't say that 1274 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,960 that's a bad thing. And maybe that was more their 1275 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,800 aim than trying to make a big statement on it. 1276 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,960 Because the Lord knows the only thing you, the one thing you 1277 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,680 don't want to do is go into David Cage Church where you're 1278 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,800 trying to make a statement just looking like a Jackass. 1279 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,400 And while I'm thinking about it, one thing we haven't touched on 1280 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,600 that I would like to give them credit for is that, especially 1281 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,240 for being like a little indie title from 2016, this game 1282 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,560 looked really good. I think it uses the same basic 1283 00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,440 tricks as Portal. The fact that you're in a lab 1284 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,480 pretty pretty much the whole game makes it look good. 1285 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,320 But then I'm not quite fair because there was a segment 1286 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,920 where you actually are under the surface of Europa, and I thought 1287 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,280 that looked really nice. It looked cold and distant and 1288 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:15,680 ominous and you were on an ice moon that was not close to safe. 1289 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,160 That was being science stuff. Yeah. 1290 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,880 And they, I think they did lighting well. 1291 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,760 It was just it was good. Yeah. 1292 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,640 And every time I opened this game, it tried to connect to my 1293 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,800 VR headset. So I'm assuming there's a VR 1294 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,360 version of it. It seems like it would be 1295 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,000 satisfying to play in VR because again, it's got that portal type 1296 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,760 of physics puzzle. Again, to it for sure. 1297 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,320 Well then I'm going. To say one more thing, this is 1298 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,120 totally not really, it's super unfair to the character, but 1299 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,120 there's a scene where you control the camera just so 1300 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,360 you're Tom and you can move the bridges of elevators up and down 1301 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:48,720 for Ava so she can get up the thing. 1302 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,880 And when you move it really hard, she like really has a bad 1303 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,240 experience with like she winces and kind of, you know, drops her 1304 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,280 head and looks like almost like she's about to fall down. 1305 00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,280 I'm like, man, Tom, you're such a jerk. 1306 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,920 But that was me. I was the one that pulled the 1307 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,680 triggers and made it move that fast. 1308 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,880 I could have gently lifted her up. 1309 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,960 I'm the bug. It's me just. 1310 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:10,880 Me all along. It's me. 1311 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,880 My name's Chris. I did all the heroin. 1312 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,960 That's a deep. That's a deep cut, yeah. 1313 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,200 That, that one's passing me. I was gonna, I was just gonna 1314 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,360 do. It was me, Austin. 1315 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,000 It was me, Austin. It was me all along. 1316 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,200 No quick, quick summary. A buddy of mine, we, we did some 1317 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,480 acid one time and we convinced him that he didn't take acid and 1318 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,040 that his name was actually Kirk Chris and that he did all the 1319 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,720 heroin and didn't leave any for anyone else. 1320 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,360 And he that is so he eventually was like, I'm Chris. 1321 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,480 I did all the H, that's what he said. 1322 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,520 That that is irresponsible, but really funny. 1323 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,600 It was a good time, dude. I mean, we eventually told him 1324 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,160 that Nah, man, we were just kidding. 1325 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,640 And he, because he was on drugs, laughed and laughed and laughed 1326 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,880 like 30 minutes because he's like, I can't believe you got 1327 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,120 me. And just kept laughing like it 1328 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,800 was so funny, like it was. That was a good night. 1329 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,280 Oh, man, fun time. So what would you rate this 1330 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,680 game, my good Sir? Man, I've been struggling 1331 01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,440 because I feel like I came out a little bit critical about some 1332 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,400 of the elements of the game. I want to say I thought it was a 1333 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,360 nice puzzle game. I thought it was really easy 1334 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,320 compared to the other puzzle games we've played for the show 1335 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,120 like Portal 2, Taylor's Principle, even. 1336 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,000 Like I think I struggled more with puzzles in Unfinished Swan 1337 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,800 which is literally a child game. That's fair. 1338 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,920 But I don't think that was too its detriment because I also 1339 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,960 think that when I I felt like it was very satisfying, the puzzles 1340 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,240 felt very good to complete. And just because I'm saying that 1341 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,120 I don't think that the writing had a lot to say, it doesn't 1342 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,120 mean I don't think it was pretty good writing. 1343 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,560 I just think it was a it was better as a sci-fi story. 1344 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,320 Like think of it as an episode of the Twilight Zone instead of 1345 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,160 something like Taylor's Principle that's trying to tell 1346 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:47,120 you something. Yeah. 1347 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,320 And you know, it has about as much of A moral as an episode of 1348 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,360 the Twilight Zone. It's some yes, but it's not 1349 01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,000 going to change your life. It's a good comparison. 1350 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,560 I yeah, I didn't actually even think about that until I just 1351 01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,080 started saying and I'm like, Oh yeah, Twilight. 1352 01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,360 I feel, I feel very proud of that one myself because that was 1353 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,080 off the cuff. That was not a pre thought up 1354 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,160 thought. I don't know, man. 1355 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,960 It's hard for me to numerically score this game because I feel 1356 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,440 like the temptation I have is when we play really good puzzle 1357 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,960 games, they feel so deep and meaningful that I want to give 1358 01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,880 them approaching perfect scores. And I don't think that's really 1359 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,200 what level this game was on, but it's a really good puzzle game 1360 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,480 in its own right and I think anyone would enjoy playing it. 1361 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,200 I only maybe kind of wish it was a little bit less melancholy in 1362 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,600 tone just because the actual puzzle solving feels so good. 1363 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,880 I almost wish it had been in a happier game instead. 1364 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,600 I can see that it was a very bleak experience. 1365 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,120 Story was. Yeah, I mean, I had its humorous 1366 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,760 moments and I did think that, like I said, the characters were 1367 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,800 written really, you know, interestingly and well, and the 1368 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,120 logs and stuff are cool. I don't really have a great 1369 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,040 number, so I'm going to give you one of those numbers that says I 1370 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,040 didn't think about this as hard as I should have and call it 1371 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,640 7:00 and 3:00 quarters and fuse boxes out of 10 power slots. 1372 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,200 All right, I I thought it was a good game. 1373 01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,800 It was fun, as you said, the the puzzles were satisfying to 1374 01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,040 complete. I I thought it told while kind 1375 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,520 of a cliche story, I thought it did what it was trying to do 1376 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:08,520 well. I. 1377 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,480 Don't necessarily even think it was a cliche. 1378 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,680 I just think that a game that's obviously living in the wake of 1379 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,840 Talos Principled probably needs to do something beyond what 1380 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,280 Talos Principled did. Yeah. 1381 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,800 Yeah, that's fair. And some of the things in the 1382 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,240 game were a bit on the nose, like the character's name being 1383 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,520 Ava Turing. I almost wish you would have had 1384 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,400 a real action movie type of like, My name's Ava Turing. 1385 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,200 Don't test me. Hell yes. 1386 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,200 That reminds me of I don't know why this made me think of this, 1387 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,400 but somebody was talking about the the John Cena Cody Rhodes 1388 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,280 match. They were like, do I want this 1389 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,080 to be a good match? No, I want it to be an 1390 01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,600 overbooked, insane spectacle that people talk about for the 1391 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,600 next 10 fucking years. I don't want them to go out 1392 01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,560 there and have a good match. I wanted to just be ridiculous 1393 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,440 pro wrestling and yeah, let's see number. 1394 01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,680 I just I really pulled a number out of mask. 1395 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,600 You asked me this at any other time of day I probably would 1396 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:02,640 have varied a good. No, I mean. 1397 01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,160 I think it probably would have been somewhere in the seven so. 1398 01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,080 When you were given your spiel, I was thinking about what I 1399 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,080 would give it and before you even said your number I came 1400 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,840 upon. I think I'm going to give it a 1401 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,640 solid 7 1/2 Ava's out of 10 Toms. 1402 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,400 It's not going to like blow your pants off, but you're not going 1403 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,040 to regret playing through it because the the puzzles are fun. 1404 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,320 It's a good way to spend 6 hours and feel really good about your 1405 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,680 puzzle solving skills, along with feeling really stupid when 1406 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,920 you miss really obvious mechanics from time to time. 1407 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,640 Yeah, and this game goes on sale for stupid sheep pretty often, 1408 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,240 so that. And I feel like very few of the 1409 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,520 rooms was overstayed or welcome to. 1410 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,240 They're all pretty clean and quick puzzle. 1411 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,800 Yeah, without having that feeling of that the first portal 1412 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,960 did, where everything felt like a tutorial to the final. 1413 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,240 Puzzle to the point that there were a couple puzzles that I 1414 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,280 felt like even had red herrings where it's like you didn't have 1415 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,040 to do everything that you seemed like to get. 1416 01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,160 Oh, that's one of the things I wanted to say about this game 1417 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,960 being easy, actually, is there were so many times where I made 1418 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,760 sure to preserve one extra blue orb just to make sure I would 1419 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,360 have it for the next part of the puzzle and then be absolutely 1420 01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:05,840 shocked that the exit room was ahead. 1421 01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,000 Like Taylor's principle would not have done that for you. 1422 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,360 You would had to use every piece of the Buffalo. 1423 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,080 Yeah, there was a handful of times that I had one in the gun 1424 01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:15,760 as I ran through the next hallway and it would 1425 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,600 disappearate. Yeah, All right, man. 1426 01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,880 That is the Tallows principle. We're gonna be back in two weeks 1427 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,680 talking about Octo Pass Traveler Willie here at the end of my 1428 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,240 good Sir, Is there anything you would like to plug? 1429 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,360 Umm. Man, I don't know. 1430 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,320 Like I said earlier, if you're interested in joining a truck 1431 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,920 simulator group, I mean, talk to Sir Sour Gears on our Discord. 1432 01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,840 Chad, he's a pretty cool guy. He's very, very enthusiastic, 1433 01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,880 but pretty chill and it seems like really eager to get people 1434 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,680 up. Let's see, what else do I want 1435 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,360 to plug? I had something else I want to 1436 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,200 plug the Atari 5200 controller for being the worst thing I've 1437 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,600 ever seen. All right. 1438 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,080 It's just it's such a funny controller that it makes every 1439 01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:57,720 other controller look good by comparison. 1440 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,480 All y'all out there ragging on GameCube and N64 controllers you 1441 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,320 it could have been worse it. Could have been that big Sega 1442 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,040 Monstrosity 2 that came out that was like this big. 1443 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:12,160 All the the Saturn 3D pad, yeah. Fucking hell. 32 bit era 1444 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,880 equivalent of the Xbox Duke, except I don't think anyone 1445 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,200 really fondly remembers it. I was. 1446 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,440 Going to say I like the Duke because I got big hands, but 1447 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,640 like that Sega controller we're just oddly shaped, no? 1448 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,760 There's there has been waves of appreciation for the Duke in 1449 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,440 retrospect and I got to give it up to the people who the big 1450 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,120 hands crew who love it and just the people that nostalgic for it 1451 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,000 feeling different from smaller controllers. 1452 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,320 So you know, I ain't hating on the Duke. 1453 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,000 I'm just making a competition. Xbox is huge. 1454 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,760 All right then man, if you would go leave us A5 live star review 1455 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,920 wherever you get your podcasts at specifically iTunes and 1456 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,080 Spotify helps us out a lot and the algorithm helps new people 1457 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,120 find the show and that always helps because we're terrible at 1458 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,120 self promotion. You want to join the discord? 1459 01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,720 That's where all the cool stuff happens and you can vote on the 1460 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,360 polls to get a game that you want to play or that you see on 1461 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,480 the poll and you want us to play it, Vote for it, you might win 1462 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:02,960 and then we'll talk about it. Disc. 1463 01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,840 Unless you vote for laser disco defenders, which didn't work on 1464 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,440 Dalton's controller. And we probably should have 1465 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,120 mentioned that during OH. Yeah, fucked that game, yeah. 1466 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,120 I did never end up giving it a try because you asked if we 1467 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,840 could pivot to the next short game before I even actually 1468 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,440 tried opening. It yeah, so Long story short, 1469 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,360 listeners, it didn't work with my controller and the keyboard 1470 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:21,960 mouse controllers for that game not great. 1471 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,120 So I was like Nah, seems. Like a fun idea, but I'm sad it 1472 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:26,440 didn't recognize any of your controllers. 1473 01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,120 Yeah, that was, that was weird 'cause I have a Razor controller 1474 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,160 and two Xbox controllers, so I don't know why I didn't 1475 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:32,360 recognize them, but I don't know. 1476 01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,200 Also use a generic Xbox controller so mine probably 1477 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:36,600 wouldn't have worked either. That's sad. 1478 01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,080 Yeah, come join the discord, bit dot LY slash TSMP discord, all 1479 01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,200 capital letters that would get you an invite. 1480 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,440 Come and join the shenanigans. You check out the website kept 1481 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,960 up to date by Dane bit dot LY slash the Steam Machine podcast 1482 01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:51,960 capitalized phonetically. 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You all rock. 1496 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,160 Boy I saw your brain trying to autopilot through the podcast 1497 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,160 name and almost give the old. One, yes, because I have the old 1498 01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:34,560 one written down and I need to change it. 1499 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,399 So I'm gonna I'm gonna change that after after we're done 1500 01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,680 here. Shout out to JRPG report. 1501 01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:40,800 Good catch. Thank you, Sir. 1502 01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,080 Shout out to JRPG Report. Shout out Grumpy, Just Pro 1503 01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,399 Wrestling, Power Hour, Get a Shirt, TS and P 1504 01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:47,520 productions.threadless.com That's about it. 1505 01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,479 We're back in 01 More thing with the Patreon, did we? 1506 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,240 Start really really late? Or was this just a short? 1507 01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,439 One, we started real late. OK. 1508 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:57,479 I was going to say because it does. 1509 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,319 It doesn't seem like we should only have an hour and 45 minutes 1510 01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,720 at 2:30 in the morning, but I guess we did end up. 1511 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,439 No, yeah, we started a late one this time. 1512 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,279 One other thing I wanted to plug about the Patreon, well, it 1513 01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:09,640 doesn't happen super often, but because it happened with 1514 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,439 Octopath Traveler 2, I feel the need to plug in. 1515 01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,120 If you donate $20 or more, you can look through the list of 1516 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,240 games that we have on our backlog list and you can choose 1517 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,880 one and bump it up to the front. And then you can guest with us 1518 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,359 if you have the means and timing lines up and all of that good 1519 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:25,200 jazz. And if you're. 1520 01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:26,439 Cool. And if you're cool, yeah. 1521 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,479 And I'm sure you're, I'm sure you're cool if you want to give 1522 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,000 us money, but what am I thinking? 1523 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,560 But yeah, we, we love you all. We'll be back in two weeks to 1524 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,680 talk about some Octopath Traveler 2, and then after that, 1525 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:37,840 who knows? We'll see. 1526 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,840 I mean, I keep one in this show like I do the JRPG report and 1527 01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,840 tell everybody to get back out there and level up because 1528 01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,520 that's such a good ending that James came up with. 1529 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,399 But instead I'm going to say everybody.