A handcuffed suspect sits across from police drenched in sweat.
But instead of showing fear, he casually smiles and asks for his
ex-girlfriend, the woman he just tried to stab, to be his lawyer.
12581 Detained Senate What's going on, man, Man, just hang
out. You, man, you sweating?
You all right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, my kid got she's got Lucas and so she has like some sticks
and stuff or she don't get it if she didn't get it.
Real quick. Real quick.
Hold on, bro. You want to sit down happy, man?
You want to sit down? Like to sit down, Hang out.
Will I talk to you? You want to do that?
Can we do that? Yeah.
Do me a favor, man. I'll make sure there's not
tighten up on you, alright? Let's let's go right over here
so we can sit up. Yeah, you can sit right there,
man. I'll make sure you don't fall
there. You want to sit up?
Yeah, you want. To sit up.
I mean have have you? Yeah, sit up.
And I'll be. I got you.
Here you go. Sit up.
Go ahead. Yes, you can give me the return
and you can release traffic. Go ahead.
What's your first name I mean? What's that?
What's your first name? What's your name?
I mean, what's? Your name.
What's your name? The atmosphere grows heavier.
The man dances around his real name, as if blurring the line
between victim and aggressor. His silence speaks more than any
confession ever could. You all right?
You all right, man? Do you need an ambulance?
You have your roster. Are you doing all right man?
Are you OK? Do you need an ambulance over
here to check you out for some reason?
I mean, they got some beautiful nurses down there.
They've been trying to check me out but.
Yeah. What's your name?
They called me John. Your name's John.
OK. Hey, John.
I'm going to read you something real quick.
OK before I start. I'm just being a Jackass, man.
What's your name? We're trying to be cool with
you, man. No, I I understand that, man.
I was, I was seeing what what was really going on here because
I've been confused before. You don't come out.
Yeah, I got you. Are you confused right now?
Well I mean it just depends if this is part of the part of the
you message or just part of the something else you know?
What I mean, I want to talk to you about what happened over at
your girl's place that you were you were just about to start
telling me about. I mean I.
When I asked you what was going on.
I mean, she was having to lupus episode earlier.
She got to get her. It makes you start loving up.
She has to get her anxiety up so.
OK, real quick, before we get to that point, what?
What do I need it? What do I call you by my man?
What's your first name? Whatever you know, whatever you
whatever. I want to.
What's comfortable for me is to call you by your name.
What's your first name I mean? What is what?
What's girlfriend did you talk to?
You know what I'm saying? What?
What are you?
Well. Yeah, we'll get to that.
Well, what's your, what's your name is what I'm asking you
right now. I'm saying, what name does she
say I'll have? That's what I'm trying to find
out because. Well, I didn't talk to her, my
partner did. I'm talking to you now all.
Right. OK, because she said some pretty
serious things happened over there that I'd like to talk to
you about to get your side of the story.
But I can't do that if you're over here fucking fucking around
with me, you know what I mean? No, I mean.
So what's your name I. Got you.
Why don't we? Start with what your name is
all. Right, good.
I go by by Joseph. I I go by Joseph.
I don't think so, but we might need them in.
The Bible, you know about Saint Joseph?
He's the the state of the Father and the family figures.
So then my middle name. Yeah, if you want to send them
this way, he's probably signaled 10.
Because I'm over here trying to get her help, you say.
I'm saying. We're at the pool over at the
end of Winter Park. I'm.
Trying to get her help, you see, I'm saying.
OK. So.
Signs of drug use linger on his body.
He admits putting his own life on hold to help his girlfriend,
the same woman he just tried to kill during one of her panic
attacks. I would just rather not to say
anything so you feel what she said because I'm trying to get
her help. I got, she says.
She needs, she needs help. She's been well, I've been over
here for eight months. I want to read.
I want to read something. You know what I'm saying?
Put my my stuff on hold to try to help her get through things
because she said she needs somebody at night.
She had nightmares. She has all these different
issues that she needs somebody to feel sick with.
OK, and you see what I'm saying? Here's.
What I want to do mail and read you something right now because
you're in handcuffs. OK, So I'm going to read
something to you and then we can talk about what happened over
there. All right.
Got it. You have the right to remain
silent, not make any statement at all.
Any statement you make maybe use as evidence against you at your
trial. Do you understand that?
I did. Do you understand that?
Any statement you make maybe use as evidence against you in
court. Do you understand that the only
reason I'm reading this to you is because you're in handcuffs
right now, OK? Like, I genuinely want to hear
what you have to say, OK. But I need you to need you to
acknowledge that I'm reading this to you, OK?
Even if we did that, I still got to read this to you, OK?
You understand what I'm saying, man.
This is this is for you. This is to protect you, OK?
You have the right to have a lawyer present to advise you
prior to and during any questioning.
Do you understand that? I never have.
I never have understood lawyer if I had.
Do you like? Do you understand what I would?
Like to have my my Barbara Deandra, the girl you just talk
to, whatever little white chicken about 58, OK, that hair.
Wherever y'all came from, Autumn, summer, wherever.
I would like her to be my lawyer if I need question to answer.
Well, that's probably not going to happen, but all right, so you
have the if you are unable to employ a lawyer, you have the
right to have a lawyer appointed to advise you prior to and
during any questioning. Do you understand that?
Yeah. OK.
Basically all I'm asking is if you understand what the words
I'm saying to you. OK.
I mean I. That's all I'm asking if you
understand. OK.
Yeah, You have the right to terminate the interview at any
time. Do you understand that?
Yeah. OK.
So what happened over there, man?
Alright, you said Barbara's house.
Yeah, I guess so. What happened over there?
Well, what's really been going on is a lot of people have been
trying to get to some some and there's a lot of other people
and I guess and well, it seems like that, you know, people got
that confused with different things and so.
His voice wanders, his eyes dull.
He speaks of hallucinations, of people trying to control him.
The story blurs just like his mind after nights of drug fueled
confusion. I don't know if you don't know
anything about any of this stuff.
I don't know. I don't know too much about a
lot of stuff. But a lot of people have been
trying to get to me to do different things for him and
this and that. And I mean it really it it all
shooting and honesty. I mean, I really, I really don't
even really just get along with a lot of the people that I even
know anymore. You know what I mean?
Right. I'm really not that type of, I
mean, I really just, you know, I ended up on the bomb side of the
bomb side of the day. So I like to smoke a little weed
and it did a little bit harder drugs.
And so that led the prison sentence in more prison
sentences. But I got you.
Did you take anything tonight? Huh.
Did you take anything tonight? Any harder stuff tonight?
Maybe like a little bit of mess. I mean, I don't, I don't know,
man. They they go from white stuff
installed or something or something.
Hey, this is something something you know me, I don't.
Know so you took something tonight you don't know what it
is I was. Told a long time ago, if you've
done something once, you don't never had to do it again to go
back there to get that same feeling, you know what I mean?
Gotcha. I don't know what I what I've
been doing, you know, then OK, I've not been doing.
Paperwork either way would be done.
Just. Hang out right there man.
Don't do that. I told you, I I I trip out like
feel like I can't if I can, yeah, I think that would be
cool. Y'all y'all maybe leave me out
wrong. OK man, So what happened over
over at her place? OK.
Yeah, what happened over there at her place?
I told you, man, she got that lupus stuff and anxiety and
she's like, man, I don't know, I'm trying.
She said she has to get anxiety up.
She can't breathe. And then so I mean, I don't
know, man, I can't tell you. I know I've been I got had it
hit a few times, phone stuff, threw stuff at me.
You know, I'm like, I want to stop her, but I'm like, what the
heck is going on? How can this she's not going
right? Date of birth or anything yet?
My jeans kind of small, so she's like.
No, I can get that for you, really.
I think I need to feed my buddy. Let's do this real quick, man.
Let's go get you in the AC real quick.
All right? You're sweating a lot here.
I help you. Go ahead.
And get rehydrated and get fucking up my homeboy man all.
Right, let's go over here. You ready?
You know, So you know I dress up, huh?
I mean, I just put these little swords on it and my fucking.
I look better down there and down to the feet from the feet
on the bottom of the body. Better, better than nothing.
My upper body looks better than male.
My bottom body looks better than females.
I'm like, take a seat, my man. Huh.
Let's take a seat real quick. Can't get you an air
conditioner? What?
Just take take a seat in the car, get you in the air
conditioner. Yeah, actually my best milk we
got, I got pulled down a little bit of time.
OK, I'll turn it down. Sit down in the car.
Please let me sit down right here a little bit.
Sit down in the car. Please let me sit down right
here a little bit. Sit down in the car please.
Sit down right here in the bit. Sit down in the car.
Come on, sit down in the car. Let me sit down.
You're going to sit down in the car.
By now, the officers have stopped pushing for answers.
They just want to get him into the car to the hospital.
But he rambles about his body, lost in bizarre fantasies no one
can understand. Hey, this is the 12. 501261
Secondary with. The big button.
It's the big button, Mr. Big Money.
Hey, I don't know how far we're going to get with an interview
with this guy, Tell. Me your first name.
Again, Mr. Big? No, He's ready.
I'm ready. Put your feet in the car.
Hey, put your feet in the car please.
I wish I knew what the heck was, really.
I need, I need you to put your feet in the car so I can help
him get your information without having to worry about you.
OK? Can you do that for me please?
Let's just go, 'cause you're not.
Let's just go to the hospital. Just just that man program to
the hospital. I mean, I don't know what I
mean. I'll take care every man.
I'll be with you in the back. What do you need to go to the
hospital for? What's that?
What do you need to go to the hospital for?
I mean, well, but we don't, I mean, we can, we don't really
have to do. I mean, there's there's certain
things that there's certain things I think that that that
can benefit probably everybody. You know what I mean?
I mean, I don't know exactly. Maybe like I don't know what's
the, what's the drinking? I don't know what what I mean.
I'm not. I'm kind of are.
You thirsty? I mean I can't dehydrate, I can
probably eat drinking. I mean OK let me send you are
y'all. I mean, are you thirsty or not
thirsty or you need? Can you if you put your?
Feet in the car, I can see if I have a water bottle for you.
Can you do that? You know, so we can do.
I mean, I bit, I mean, if you got a lot water bottle, I don't
know what buddy, but here I have or not have.
I mean, I I got, I mean, I'm alright.
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm not. Go ahead.
I'm not against him being there, but he could be there in a
couple of minutes. They got off him over, you know
me, I haven't gotten there yet. I mean look this is do.
You guys do. What's going on?
This way. Come on, let's go towards the
end. Here we go.
Do you need water? Coke, anything.
Some. Chips I need metal coke trying
to maybe? With a 2 or 4 it did defensive
wound OK. I tried to stop him.
Is it all swollen up? Well, it.
Has. OK, give me one of my hands.
You can see it's. OK, they didn't check you out on
scene out there. No.
OK. All right, give me.
How long will that happen? He sits quietly, cradling a
bruised hand, debating pain versus justice.
He's been shot before. This is nothing new.
But today's pain isn't just physical.
It's the weight of what he's done.
I guess from a sanitation drawer from Victoria to Houston.
OK, Two hours, 2 1/2 hours, you would say?
Yes, Sir. OK.
And when did it start hurting on you?
Immediately after. Soon.
Does it happen? Yes, Sir.
Well, HIV is kind of leaving it up to me as to whether or not
you're going to go here. You know, we got some pretty
important things to talk to you about.
You don't seem especially badly hurt to me.
Do you feel like you actually need to go to the hospital, or
do you feel like you can power through it?
I mean, you drove all the way back, right?
I mean, do you think it's broken?
The HFD doesn't seem to think it's broken.
They just seem to think it's bruised.
I don't know. Yeah, it's probably right.
Yeah. Can you move your hands and
stuff painfully painfully. Yes, Sir.
OK, but you won't need your hands for this, for this part of
it, you know? Yes, Sir.
So do you really feel like you actually need to go to the
hospital? I don't know.
I'm not a. Doctor, Sir, I mean, if you want
to proceed, we don't want to proceed.
I mean, we can always call them back up later.
It doesn't seem like it's a medical emergency at the moment.
Yes, Sir. Obviously, we have some real
important things to discuss with you about today.
It's important things to ask you about and some important things
to tell you. You willing to sit here and talk
to us for a bit? Well.
Do I have an attorney? Present.
You don't at present, no. I would like one.
OK, this one. Well, in that case, we'll get
you to the. Hospital.
But first we're going to take some photos of you and the
crime. Senior officer is going to take.
Take your clothes. We'll give you a paper suit to
wear to the hospital. You'll have some things to cover
you. Up.
Yes, Sir. So right now they do have an.
Arrest worn out for you is this is going to be for aggravated
assault family violence to me a felony to OK and that's for you
guys you you actually admitted to.
Having an assault right on your brother.
You assaulted me though. Yeah, like I said.
Well, right now we can't charge him.
Because he's deceased. But how am I getting the charges
in because you also assaulted him?
But a self-defense, like I said, it's why an investigation.
Is pending right now. OK.
Yeah. All right.
I told him that you go. Man.
Just calm down right now, like I said.
This, that's why there's an investigation, OK.
I'm the one who's because I've been to prison.
And that's why I don't know anything that caught your it's
your backstop. When informed he's facing felony
assault for attacking his brother, he lashes out because
the brother can't be charged too.
He's dead. The rage in his voice hides A
deeper guilt. I don't know.
I don't have your back story, man.
So right now we're getting this, I'm going to get an inventory of
all the stuff you have on right now and then we do have a
warrant for a DNA. Okay, so we're going to have CSU
come up here. They're going to get some DNA
samples from you. Okay, DNA, DNA just we need to
get samples to make sure there's no nothing else I have.
Okay, I can't talk anymore. They said you really you run
over to say you want Lord Printer.
So if you want me to talk. To you.
I can't. You're you're.
Just tell me that. I mean, no, I'm, I'm advising
you what's what's the name for? What does that mean?
They'll give you an order for everything.
They'll give you the one. Like I said, they'll be signed
off by the judge. But as far as going in teeny
death for. Questioning we.
Want to talk? Like I said, you plead the 5th.
So no, there was. I told the cop, I told him.
And then I told the detectives I wasn't going to sit down and go
through the whole thing. And that's why, yeah, I know,
man. And you talk to him, really.
Which is, which is fine. I mean, you did the right thing.
I'm not hiding up the fence. Man, that's trying to tell you
no but. Then that's what I'm saying.
I knew that was going to. Happen, man, I already knew,
man, I can't give you any legal bias.
I can't go over anything else. Like I said, just right now I'm
just getting some some of the stuff that you have on okay,
doing an inventory and what your property is so good.
Yeah. You've been there before.
No, OK. I didn't see you in the system I
haven't been in. Trouble one time OK paid for my
whole life this time I'm I'm innocent this time well, like I
said because. I don't.
Know. I'm not.
I'm not saying something personal, man.
We're just doing our job. Yeah, yeah, we're.
Just investigating anything just like.
You would normally, you know what I'm saying, We're concerned
about situations, so that's why we're investigating.
OK. What's your personal man like?
I said, well, I'll take you that way, like I said, to get
investigations done and I'm finding that it is like this.
Yeah. So just so we're on this page,
OK, I want to make sure that I respect obviously your rights to
not talk to me. I literally have no idea what.
Just don't say anything. Just hear me out, OK?
My goal is to protect your rights to a degree, half to your
own police officer. OK?
Again, in Colorado, I don't want to talk to you about anything
related to Wyoming stuff, OK? So I'd be happy to explain some
of that. But I have to make it perfectly
clear that you do not have to sit in there.
You don't have to listen to me. Nobody's compelling you to.
This is completely you freely and voluntarily doing that.
Do you understand that? OK, You don't have to say
anything. Casey enters with suspicion in
his eyes, rejecting a bottle of water as if it hides betrayal.
The detectives tread carefully. He knows the game and he's not
ready to play just yet. I would like.
To be able to kind of weigh some information out for you and talk
to you about it. And then you can make a
determination as to whether want you want to talk to me.
And before we'll do that, I'll read you your rights and you can
make whatever choice you want to do.
Is that fair? OK, just give me a minute wait
for my partner. Do you want to water anything
while you're sitting here? All right, I can get you that.
Did you open this already? Was that this?
Was this opened already? Not that I'm aware of.
You know this is opened already? How was it?
Yeah. OK.
We'll get you another one there. Yeah, we'll reach that.
Casey So this is my partner, Andy.
He's also with the Aurora Police Department.
So I'm just filling you in. Just so you know, when he walked
in here, he specifically said I got nothing to say to you.
Take me back to myself. Unless you guys are DCI.
OK, fair enough. So I'm just filling him in.
I, I explained that at this point, if you would like to,
we're just going to lay some stuff out for him information
because he's curious, OK? He's not being Aurora, Co.
You know, what did I do there? I.
Don't I mean I fucking? Been there.
That's. Totally fine man.
So and I obviously explained to him, but this is completely
voluntary. He's not compelled to stay here.
He wants to stay here. OK, I explained to him that I'm
going to lay some information out for him, some of the facts
that we know, and then from there he can make a
determination as to whether or not he wants to talk to us.
This is what I'll ask from you. Why we're telling you why we're
talking. We're not going to ask you any
questions. What we would like you to do is
hear us out, OK? Listen to what we have to say.
You at the end of that, we'll ask you a question and it'll be
up to you where it goes from there, OK?
If you want to say, hey, piss off, I'm done, that's your
right. Yeah, it is.
It is what it is now, right. I understand.
So we are very low key guys. We're not here to like pull
tricks down. That's not how we operate.
OK. And I obviously understand
you've had interactions with police before.
This is not your first time talking to cops.
And I'm not going to patronize you or talk down to you in any
way, OK? I think, I think the best way to
just kind of talk about what we're looking at is just be a
forthright lay names out and I'll tell you what I know and I
can prove. OK, So.
Specifically. We are Aurora Police Department
detectives out of Colorado, OK. We're homicide detectives.
Homicide detectives, OK, Do you want me to?
Continue. Yeah, you know what?
OK, so we're not just homicide detectives.
So we we do Major Crimes. So that can range from like
kidnappings, missing persons, aggravated assaults up to
homicide. OK.
So I'm just giving you a scope. And again, you don't say
anything. Just listen.
Yeah, you don't have to respond. So what we are looking at
specifically is in relation to a trip that we know that you made.
The moment the words homicide detectives are spoken, the room
chills. He listens in silence.
This birthday trip to Colorado wasn't just drugs in hotels.
It's now a crime scene timeline. At around November 4th so a
while back OK OK so November 4th you came to Colorado and you
specifically came to Colorado with a girl named Rachel Holman
and your girlfriend Chantal Edlund yourself.
You came out here you met up with a friend that you did time
with in prison by the name of Quentin Lafferty.
OK you met up with him. You also have you obviously are
coming out here to to pick up dope.
You guys got to connect out here and that's Sean, Sean
Montgomery. We know who that is just hear us
out man. You don't have to agree with it
or commentate it. OK, So, and please interject if
there's anything you want to make just as a observation.
OK, so there's a, a drug ring that's basically operated out.
You come out to Colorado, specifically to Denver, Co,
Aurora, Co, pretty consistently. And I'm going to be quite like
plain speaking, right? We don't give two shits about
the drug thing. Yeah, he's a dope.
He's, he's a, he used to be a dope cop.
So he gets it. He knows the game much, much
better. Than we make money.
Much better than I do, but we don't give two shits about it.
OK, I just said that's how I make.
Money. I got you man.
It is what it is. OK, We also recognize that a
number of criminal offenses touch the drug world.
It's just the way it is, right? We get it, guns, all kinds of
shit. It's just the way that world
operates. We both know that being law
enforcement. OK?
So it's neither here nor there at this point.
It's just a part of a factual basis for why we're we're
investigating a missing person's case.
OK? So we know that you come out
here on November 4th, OK? You meet up at some point with
you're with Chantal, you're with Sean Montgomery with Quentin,
and at some point you guys go to a hotel in Denver, specifically
Sonesta in downtown Denver. You guys check into a hotel down
there. We've been surveilling you guys
for days. OK, so there was, I'm just
telling you don't have to come. OK, so we we got we got all the
information. OK, we know what hotels you guys
checked into. We have a perfectly mapped out
timeline. It's the nest of Yep.
So that's the big high rise hotel.
Super nice town Denver. Super nice hotel.
The only really nice hotel, you guys.
Oh yeah, after that my. Birthday.
OK, so after that, you know, you check out on your birthday, you
guys split up, you go do some shopping with Sean Quentin and
the girls are going and buying stuff, planning your birthday.
Later that afternoon, you guys check into the Motel 6 on
Arapahoe Road and and two. Or I-25 super, super shady
motel. I mean, it's, it's used for drug
trafficking. OK, we, we know the hotel super
well. You guys are there.
While you're at this hotel, there's a number of events that
happen in the preceding evenings.
OK, we know that you have a a birthday celebration.
A Chuck E Cheese birthday cake and a missing woman.
The contrast is chilling. While balloons floated in the
air, someone may have been drawing their final breath in a
nearby motel. On the night of the 5th, you
specifically go to Chuck E Cheese.
You're with individuals that you meet up at that with at that
location which include Chantelle, Rachel, Sean, Sean's
Connect, his buddy out here who he's the dope Connect.
Basically we know who it is. You're out here with him and
then the two other people, Leo and Sarah.
No, the Hulk was not there at that point.
Sean's friend. Yeah, I'm sorry, Sean's friend.
My apologies. Didn't really go in and kind of
hung out parking. Lot and then obviously Sarah
Babbage and then Leo are there OK so we know that we have all
this on video we can we can corroborate all this information
we know how long you guys were there what went down and then
based. Then you go back to the motel.
At some point you guys wake up, you kind of do your thing.
The next day guys go eat at the restaurant, right?
Rachel is complaining about her too.
Target Dennis, do you break off? And then for a little bit you
and me will go try and grab some needles.
The girls are staying there. At some point, Sean comes and he
picks up Rachel. They kind of split off and they
do their own thing. You return.
People are kind of pissed at Rachel at this point because
she's trying to possibly end around you guys, maybe get
above, maybe get above Sean, right, and go straight for the
Kinect, which we don't fucking care about because we don't.
Care. Right.
But it's factual. So later that night, you guys
decide that you want to go downtown so you can go back
downtown. And it's you, and it's Clinton
and it's Chantel and it's Leo, and it's Sarah, and you guys go
downtown. You guys go to a bar.
You're drinking there for a while, right?
Sarah or Rachel's not with you. At this point you guys have to
leave because Sarah's got her kid over at Children's Hospital.
And she needs to get. There for business 8 hours.
So you guys go back, shut Sarah off at the Children's Hotel.
Now it's just you and Clinton and Leo and Chantel in the car
and you're back over in Aurora. You're over by the Aurora Mall,
maybe going to get some food, maybe at a Chicken Point Chicken
place at some point. He was kidding.
Maybe. You're getting an argument or
something happens inside the vehicle.
You get out and you kind of take off from the vehicle.
Clinton gets out. He tries to find you, can't find
you, but Chantelle does find you.
You guys go back to the car, but now you guys can't find.
And I think Chantelle was calling you James.
Yeah, she kept referring to you as James.
Tensions rise as Rachel returns to the car, this time bruised,
silenced and flanked in that garage under cold fluorescent
lights. Loyalty fractures.
Someone has to pay for betrayal. Now we just want to let you
know. That's what we know.
It's just a factual thing, OK? No judgement.
So you guys come back, you go over to the hotel where Leo and
Sarah are staying, which is the one right there off of Abilene.
You guys kind of wait around for Quentin for a while, or maybe
you don't, but he doesn't show up.
Regardless, Leo's got to get back to Sarah, who's over at
Children's Children's. This whole time you guys are
kind of pissed with Rachel because she's nowhere to be
found, right? Maybe you're not, but Chantelle
definitely is, yes, right. Even sending messages to Sean
saying, hey, you can drop Rachel wherever, we'll come get her.
She needs to come back now. We need to teach her a lesson to
that effect, right? At some point, you guys get over
to the parking garage of the Children's Hospital.
And at this point, it's just you and Leo and Chantel in the car,
right? Sean comes up driving this
truck, right? And he's with his connected this
time, Flames in the car, right? So Flames riding in the front
seat. You've got Rachel in the middle.
Sean's driving, pulls into the parking garage.
Rachel gets out, right? Flames has to let her out as the
passenger side, so he gets out. Rachel gets out, Flan gets back
in. Maybe you have some words with
Sean. Chantal definitely has some
words with Sean. And then she leads Rachel in the
back seat of your guys's car, right?
Rachel sits in the middle here on one side, Chantelle's on the
other. Leo's driving the car, and we
know this because there's video cameras all over that parking
garage. Chantelle also elbowed Rachel in
the face. Right because you're pissed and
understandably so right Yes Sir. You guys are trying to help
Rachel out. We all know that she's down on
her love. This shit's not going right in
billions that today's fucking in jail because of stealing the
fucking trucks and they're losing their place to live and
she lost her job because the trucks that they stole were her
boss is. You know that she needs a
handout, right? You guys are friends.
You're trying to help her out. You're like, man, you make this
trip. I don't drive.
Chantelle can't drive. She's got narcolepsy.
We can't drive all this way. We need a driver.
We're going to make this worth your while, right?
We're going to hook you up. We're going to hook you up with
an ounce of dope. We're going to pay you well.
Plus, you're going to come down because we're partying and we're
going to have a good time. Right?
We're partying. It's my birthday.
OK, Back to the parking garage. Well, that didn't quite work out
because of what Rachel was doing with Sean.
Whether it was? They don't just want to scare
her, they want to teach her a lesson.
The destination nowhere, an isolated stretch far from help,
where the cold air slices sharper than the threat inside
the car. Fucking him or whether was
trying to to get in with him so so he could she could go above
and start working directly with with flame.
And not that you care about getting cut out of business
because you guys were still be in business, right, but it's
it's about code, it's about respect, it's about honor,
right. You don't do that to your
fucking friends, especially your friend that's trying to help you
out. Understandably angry.
I would have been angry, right? Chantelle's probably also angry
because you guys are going to come down, You guys are going to
party. I know you guys have an open
relationship. Well, Rachel thought that she
was going to be into that open relationship, but then she
starts freaking holding back. Now, she doesn't want to do
this. She doesn't want to do that.
So things just aren't panning out.
And Chantelle's getting jealous about what's going on because
she cares about you, but she also understands you guys have
an open relationship. And I would.
I understand why people are trying to fuck Rachel.
I mean, nice, good looking girl. Yeah, I get it.
So it all makes sense, right? So in the parking garage now,
Rachel's got to be title lesson, right?
And I think it's probably Chantelle's idea that you guys
are going to teach her a lesson, or maybe it's yours, or who
knows, maybe it's James's idea. Because at this point, James was
there, Casey was there, James was there again.
So you guys argue in the back of the car for a while, right?
You're telling her how disappointed you are, that
you're just trying to help her out.
You don't treat friends like that.
Chantelle's pissed about the whole situation, and Rachel's
trying to say that she's sorry, but it's not good enough, right?
You can't just say you're sorry and have shit be better.
And so at something I remember a party.
OK, so at some point, you guys decide that the lesson that you
guys are going to teach Rachel is that you were going to drive
her way out into the middle of nowhere and make her walk,
right? And we know this because we know
that you guys start driving E out of the city of Aurora,
right? We know that you guys stop at a
gas station when you start filling up with gas at that gas
station, we know that Chantelle goes in and she buys you guys
food. At that point, Leo was no longer
driving. Leo's in the back seat on one
side or you're on the other side of Rachel.
And the reason why you guys are doing that is so Rachel can't
get out of the car, so she can't run.
She can't run for help. We know that you have Gap Marie
with you. We know that she has pistol pee
tucked in her bra. And we know that Rachel knows
that you have that gun and most likely you have that gun out,
not pointed out, but tucked under your leg.
But she knows it's there and she knows that she can't get out.
She's got to go along with whatever you guys.
Say and she's scared shitless. All right, so scared that she's
not even saying anything because she doesn't know what's going to
happen when she says something. If she says let me out, she
doesn't know. Whether it's Casey, she doesn't
know. Whether it's James, she doesn't
know what Leo's going to do, but she does know that you guys have
guns and she doesn't know that she needs to be title lesson.
And she does know that you guys are pissed at her for a myriad
of reasons, right? Rachel, trapped between her
captors, says nothing. She sees the gun.
It's not aimed, but it speaks louder than any threat.
She knows escape isn't an option.
Obedience is her only shield now.
Chantelle gets back in the car and you guys start driving.
Chantelle drives. Chantelle is driving and you
guys are driving east and you guys are going out into the
middle of nowhere and Chantelle wants to go further, right?
Chantelle wants to keep going and keep going because this
lesson that you guys are going to teach her is going to be a
fucking hard lesson, right? You guys are going to drop her
off in the middle of nowhere and make her walk home.
And we know this why? Because in the city of Aurora,
my brother, we got traffic cams everywhere, not just in the
middle of the city, but we got traffic cams on the outskirts of
the city every time you come to all.
Over the fucking place. We've got cameras that are
reading license plates, and that's how we know that you were
coming down to Colorado as early as July.
Hidden Lake where Edgewater where Shawn lives.
July 30. 1st, right, we know that you were down at least two
or three times in October, a couple times in November and his
recent December brother like we know.
We also know that you were trying to get new guns from Sean
not long after this incident happened, as well as fake IDs,
and that you guys wanted to wait low for a while.
So you guys keep driving and you're driving east, and finally
you guys get to a point that's included enough, right, That
this is the point where you guys are going to let Rachel off,
right? Car stops, everyone gets out.
Chantel gets out of the driver's seat.
Leo gets out of the back passenger seat.
Rachel gets out next to Leo. You get out, you walk around the
car and now you guys are all sitting there talking to one
another. And you're like, I didn't want
it to go down well this way. And she's like, I'm sorry.
And you're like, well, I did. You were emotional.
Right. You were even crying.
And at that point, I don't know if it's Casey crying, I don't
know if it's James crying, but one of you is crying.
Right. Yeah.
Someone tells her to walk. Someone tells her to go and she
thinks that she's going to be able to go.
She's crying, she's upset. It's freezing.
That's cold out there. She's not dressed for the
weather. All she knows is that you guys
drove out into the middle of nowhere and that she's.
Going to have to walk any of your feelings.
But the only thing that happens next is that she doesn't walk.
And that's what we want to talk to you about and if you're
willing to talk with us about and hold on, hold on.
If you're willing to talk with us about it, we'd love to hear
your side of the story, but we have a very good idea of what
happened, and these are things that we can.
It's more than an idea, right? Hold on.
Let him finish both.
Let him finish. Right.
We do want to hear your side of the story.
I absolutely want to hear your side of the story.
But that's not where the story ends, right?
You guys are having car troubles.
We know you're getting fucked up with your time and you're having
trouble getting back here. But your people back up here
need you to come back. Maybe they signed you money to
make the purchase and maybe they didn't.
I don't know. I doubt what they did.
It's probably all yours, right? But you guys go back.
You stay at the Motel 6 on the night of November 9th.
You stay at the Motel 6 on the night of November 10th.
You check out of to Motel 6 at 10:32 in the morning on November
11th, at which point we start making your way back up to up to
Sheridan. Back at the motel, they dispose
of everything. Bags, clothes, traces.
To outsiders, it's just trash. But for detectives, it's a trail
of panic, concealment and the silence of a girl gone missing.
It takes you guys a long time to get up there.
Right, because you're still having car troubles, you're
still trying to work with Sean, you're still trying to get
tires. Quentin's with you at this
point. Quentin has been with you pretty
much the entire time except for the night that you guys went
dropped off Rachel. And that's because when he ran
after you, you guys never found out.
But what did happen is that you hooked up with him the next day.
And this is when you were at the Holiday Inn Express, right there
off of Colfax, right? Staying in room 326 cycle,
correct? And you guys are in room 326,
and it's you and Chantel, and it's Leo, and it's Sarah, and
it's their kid, right? All in the room.
And Quentin comes and you're asleep at this time, but Quentin
comes because you guys still have this stuff and still in the
car. He wants his things back, right?
He had to spend the night outside.
He didn't even have a coat. He's trying to get his shit
back. And when he comes up to the
room, he doesn't go directly into the room.
Why? Because Chantelle.
And she's standing at the edge of the hallway.
She's just staring out a window and he's trying to make light
because he thinks that you guys are pissed at him, Maybe the way
he was acting or whatever. But all he knows is that 1, he
wants his stuff back and two, hopefully you guys aren't going
to be pissed at him anymore so he can stay with you guys and he
can keep getting shots and you guys can keep feeding his habit.
So he talks to Chantelle and he says, hey, where's Rachel?
And Chantelle says she's not coming back.
Not We got her out of the car and told her to walk, but she's
not coming to press and then. That's a quote.
Quinton's with you and you guys are getting rid of Chantelle's
thing, her red transport backpack.
You guys throw it in the dumpster.
The clothes that they bought earlier in the morning before at
the. Arc.
Quinton's getting pants, Sarah's getting some of the dresses that
they bought. You guys are coming to disposing
of any trace of Rachel ever being with you.
Right at this point, we know Rachel doesn't have her phone.
Deleting her off Facebook. So on early in the morning on
November 7th, whether it's you or whether it's Chantel have
access to Rachel's Facebook. Because every once in a while
when her phone's not working, she's borrowing Rachel's phone
to log into Facebook so she can send messages back and forth.
But you guys still have access to her profile.
You guys going in, you defriend Rachel.
You guys send a couple messages to some other people, and we can
tell just by the way that the text is written that it's not
Rachel responding to these people.
And I get it, right? Because something has happened
to Rachel and you guys don't want anybody to know what's
happened. To Rachel Rachel vanishes from
social media. Her voice, once constant online,
goes dark. Not a word to her mother, her
friends, her boyfriend. Just like that, she disappears
into digital extinction. But you continue about your day,
right? Even someone logs in from your
phone and I think it's probably Leo, right?
Because we have the device, we have the device ID, we know
which which device did it. But someone logs into Rachel's
account and basically just goes dark.
Right after that, she drops off the face of the earth.
She doesn't call her mom, who she talks to every other day.
She doesn't call her best friend Jalen Oklahoma, who she talks to
every three days that she had been talking to frequently while
she was down there. She doesn't talk to Cody at all.
And she'd been talking to Cody the entire time, right?
She doesn't talk to 700 other people that she's talking to on
a daily. Basis.
They're all freaking out. She's trying to still get
freaking a rolling chassis for her, for her vehicle.
All these people that she was reaching out to and asking for
things and and and conversion with that all stops and that all
stops on November 6th and days you guys drive her out to teach
her a lesson right on your way back to Colorado, you guys reach
out to Sean and specifically it's you reaching out to Sean
and you tell Sean we need 2 new guns, right.
So for whatever reason, you no longer need GAT Marine.
She no longer needs pistol Pete. You guys need 2 new guns, 2
fresh guns, 2 guns that aren't hot.
You guys want IDs. You guys are saying we need to
go away for a while, maybe we go to New Mexico, maybe we go to
Arizona and maybe that Chantel and not you.
But I can tell you for 100% that that did happen and that
conversation was had. I'm telling you brother, from
the time you guys leave Sheridan after you drive in to Billings
to pick up Rachel, we even know where you picked her up in
Montana before you just cease to drive down, right?
We know where you guys were. We know who you talked to.
We have video surveillance of you guys all over Denver.
We know that you guys finished a dope deal inside Sean's house.
We know that you guys had another deal at the the Walmart.
Correct me next position again. That was on the 8th.
On the 8th of November, at which point you get another zip lock
of mass, probably a pound, maybe more.
But again, we don't care about dope.
I could give a shit about the dope leaving out of Colorado.
It's not my thing. I don't investigate that.
But I'm telling you, brother, and you cross that border to the
time you come back. When Rachel disappeared, they
already knew her last location. Not through data, but through a
mother's voice cracking with grief.
She believed her daughter was dead long before anyone else
dared to admit it. We know where you are, we know
who you're with, and maybe maybe that we knew that you guys were
running dope this entire time and that's why you were on it,
right? Maybe that's how we knew to
start following you around. Maybe that's how we knew.
And we knew that Quentin was the paranoid dude anyways, right?
But we knew that he thought that when you guys are backed up,
we're kind of stuck in long, long.
And he felt that people were following you.
And I'm not going to tell you that people were, people weren't
for a long time. Yeah.
So we know just. I'm just telling you, brother,
like, that's the game. And we could have got you at any
point. But we decided not to.
And it wasn't until this, it wasn't until Hayden had to talk
to her mother who said the last time I spoke with Rachel, she
was with Chantelle, she was with Casey.
Listen, it wasn't till we till Hayden spoke with her mother and
had to listen to her mother say I haven't talked to her in two
weeks. This has never happened before.
I know something has happened to my daughter.
And I'll, I'll just tell you honestly, man, she didn't say I
know something has happened. She said my daughter's dead.
So here's the thing, dude, hold on.
Hold on. Let us just finish.
You are not compelled to say anything.
We're not asking you a question. I just want you to just the
courtesy of your attention, OK? Casey, this is a pivotal moment
in your life. Just don't say anything.
Just hear me out, OK? This is a very like this is
almost like an ordained moment, OK?
Everything in life, decisions are not, and no judgement.
You live the life you live, and that's your choice of faith.
I don't care about that. But at this particular moment in
time in human history, OK, We care about this girl, OK?
She's got a little, a little girl that she's not ever going
to see again. And I, I need to give the, the
mother something, OK? So one of the point I'm trying
to make to you is you are not compelled to talk, OK?
I would like to get your story, just like my partner said.
But simultaneously, I abide by the Constitution of the United
States. And I'm not going to even compel
you. I'm not going to ask you
questions about this or try to get the courtesy of your story
because you were there and you know what happened without
reading you your rights. And if if you afford me that
time to read it and explain those rights to you and you
waive those rights without an attorney present, OK, And give
us your side of the story. This is the sole single chance
in history that you have for some, some true, I guess some,
some truth, man. OK, I don't know how else to say
it. We we know everything.
And I'm, I'm telling you right now, Sean, look at me just for a
second. OK?
We know more. The officers didn't pressure
him, they just looked him in the eye.
We know more than you think. This wasn't an interrogation.
It was a final chance to change the truth.
History would remember. We know more than what we're
telling you. And I don't know how else to say
it without actually saying it, OK?
But we know more than what we're telling you right now.
We are here. We drove up from Colorado to
give you the the courtesy in the time because there's other
people there. We know that.
We know that there's not one sole person responsible for
this. But at some point, none of that
is going to matter. So that's why we need to know
what is what is Casey's side of the story.
Because one thing I don't like doing as a detective I know my
partner doesn't like doing is just having sets of information
and making a definitive conclusion.
And in fairness, people need to be given the chance.
Like, hey, this is what happened.
This is why it went down. Or maybe it was an accident.
Maybe it was a fucking mistake. Those are the things we need to
know because at this point, there's only one conclusion that
can be drawn from this only one singular conclusion.
And if you choose not to talk to us, I hey, brother, that is,
that is your right. And I, I'm not going to ask
anything. We're going to get up out of
this room and walk away. And you're probably not going to
talk to us again. But our case is done at that
point. OK.
We, we're going to counsel with the district attorney's office
and make a determination as to what we need to do.
This is your titles, so if you would like a minute to think
about it, I can give you that. If not, I'd be happy to go over
this forum with you. Ross.
Yes, it's up to you man. We don't want to answer any
questions until you've been read.
You're right, correct, Right. OK, so I will.
It's up to you what's going on, right?
You don't remember half of what you just told me.
I will remember. It so Casey.
Casey. She.
I. Don't remember half of that.
I remember us being at a party and us me going inside and
telling her I'll be right back. And then me.
Going inside, driving drinks and then sitting down and talking to
this other chick and then passing out.
And that's the last thing I remembered on my birthday after
all that Chuck cheese shit. That's what I fucking remember.
I remember we were downtown. I don't ever remember what.
I want to talk to a lawyer, OK? So.
I want to talk to a doctor. All right, we'll get you out of
here. All right, bud, thanks for your.
Time. What's the fuck?
In another case, DeAndre fired a shot in a park, killing a 16
year old boy who loved basketball and dreamed of
becoming a cop. That dream ended on the
concrete, where laughter once echoed.
What's up, man? What's that?
Real. Yeah, right.
A little tired, been out all day, got a freak, everything.
My name is Detective McIntosh. I'm just on her, detective.
Well, we're with the homicide units.
Just. Do you know why you got here,
man? You don't know why?
OK. I'm grandma females, something
about it and I said I was just short you.
Said where that I'll. Come on, suddenly try.
I came to the house anyway. OK it.
Was a lot of y'all she would like if I want to turn myself
in, that at 10:00 y'all was going to put me on the news.
All right, well, we did. We did stop by your grandmother
house today. That is true.
You probably was out with your with your boys or whatever on
though. 2111. All right, so here we have your
constitutional rights. All right.
Do you know how to read and write?
OK, so for you, I want you to read this first line for me.
All right, right down. Can you sit up?
Sit up straight. What you can see?
You have the following right in the United States Constitution.
OK. All right, So this first line
right here, OK, you do not have to make a statement or say
anything. Do you understand what that
means? OK, so the next one, All right,
Anything you say can be used against you in court.
Do you understand that? Yes, Sir.
OK, so that means basically whatever you say to me can be
used against you in the court of law.
All right, do you understand what I mean?
Yes, Sir. All right, Fully.
Yes, Sir. OK.
You have a right to talk to a lawyer for advice before you
make a statement, before any questions are asked of you, and
to have a lawyer with you doing any questioning.
Do you understand what a lawyer is?
Yes, Sir. OK.
So you know what a lawyer will represent you throughout this if
you have a with your statements, right?
So do you understand that? OK, if you cannot afford to hire
a lawyer who won't be appointed for you before any question that
begins, do you understand what that means?
That pretty much means if you don't have the money for one
day, we'll appoint one for you in the court.
Do you understand that? OK, if you do, if you do answer
questions, you have the right to stop answering questions at any
time and consult with your lawyer.
Do you understand that part? DeAndre was caught and brought
in. The officers read him his rights
slowly. In this room.
Time was their ally and the enemy of lies.
Every second pushed him closer to the truth.
All right. Do you fully understand your
constitutional rights? OK, So what I'm going to have
you do is this initial by each one of those thoughts and then
give me a sentence right there. You know, the Constitution is no
OK, So the US Constitution is the Bill of Rights.
Like, you know, like our founding fathers, George
Washington or all those guys, Franklin, they created these
laws, right? Here are the ones we talked
about for you. Not in all of us, really.
OK, Do you understand that? OK, So what about a lawyer?
Do you understand where a lawyer is?
What's a lawyer? Do explain a lawyer to me.
He represent your own court. Well, he'll represent you
anytime any legal on anything legal on that.
OK, Can you sign? This just means that you're you
understand these rights. Do you understand those?
OK. Do you want to talk with us
today about? So you you basically said that
your grandmother told you while you was here.
Are you high or anything? OK, so you haven't had any drugs
or anything today? OK, so your grandma told you I
was here. So do you have you ever been to
Woodstock Park over on Beaver St.
Music. OK.
When was the last time you were there?
Probably days ago. OK.
So we saying a couple of days ago it'd be like 2 days from
here, So we sound like 2C around that time, right?
Thank. You alliance.
Who are you into the park with it?
Was me and my brother who? Was your brother.
His name who I know about Zoe on Instagram.
You know about who? Zoe on Instagram.
Zoe. Yeah.
OK, How long you known Zoe? For a long time we played
football again. Played football.
Football, man, you squeak like that.
What position play I played receiver.
Lock and turn it down. I stopped man.
You said you were lock yourself down.
You was getting locked down. I'm.
Just. Asking that you don't like that
you lose I'll. Play for MOT, then I played the
Gilbert. After Gilbert, I stopped
throwing. You should have played football,
man. That's like you look like you
fast or whatever you may be. I don't know.
What was your father? All.
Right. So you say, you say so you known
as though for a long time you just don't know his name.
OK. And who else you were with?
Giselle, go see some girls. OK, who are the girls?
You got a girl 1. Of my girls, man.
Who is a girl? See Haley Haley on the
restaurant. OK, how long are you a Haley man
there? We have made a day like we did
first. We went first for a long time.
OK so when y'all was at the I mean did y'all like from your
grandma house? Did y'all walk from your grandma
house or how did y'all get up to the park?
Did y'all you rode your bike up there?
OK, so you and Haley rode y'all bike up there?
No you and so rode your bike up there and then did Haley got
meet y'all up there or it was it was already up there.
OK OK So what was y'all doing at the park this.
He said they were just playing ball, smoking weed, relaxing
with friends. Then someone lost a game.
A gunshot rang out. Everyone scattered.
One never got up again, left bleeding in the fading light.
It's still playing basketball, OK, smoking, stuff like that.
Y'all smoking? No that.
It's fine if y'all were smoking, that's cool.
We're another drug police man It's fine.
It's OK if you're smoking. From I just smoking weed.
OK so smoking the weed, the girls are smoking weed y'all
too? OK where were y'all?
We all just at the court smoking weed or where were y'all at?
We're like at big on. The bench title.
OK, OK. And that that they just tell me
what happened, man. Like dude, we all just just
shoot hoops are. What was it over there playing
basketball, man, it's old. It was a group like the boys,
OK, as they were running on the game.
It was a group way. They were getting mad at the
basketball game. They got mad at the basketball
game. After the best.
After the basketball game. Yeah, we went over there and
started fighting. We started playing basketball
and that's man on your side. You heard a shot.
Everybody started running. OK.
Do you know what happened after that shot?
No, I ran in love. So like, did you turn your back
and you heard the shot or you just heard a shot?
What's your plan? Best wired shot?
I got low that back up around. I got you.
I got. So how did you get home or
whatever? I rode the bike.
What kind? Of bike you got down here from
disaster black and. Green bike, Black and green
bike. So y'all rode your bike back
then You just go to the house, Chill.
I got you. So did you hear about anything
that happened at that part? Yeah, it was her.
Well, really, they was telling me he was saying that the boy
got shot and he was showing me here like I go to where I got
shot. They showed his picture on the
news or. It was on Instagram.
They showed it on Instagram. Who end up showing it.
Was on some girl you. Know her Instagram.
No, my birthday audition. I got you.
What you what, what you up to the basketball games.
Like what what? What did you wear like?
When was that though? I don't wear some blue sweats
and a blue shade and. A blue shirt.
A photo on Instagram. A face flashes across the news.
Within hours, his name lands in a homicide office.
The truth begins to unravel, triggered by a social media
post. I don't have my black forces.
Black forces. OK, OK, damn.
So go go to the let me get this straight.
So y'all, y'all take y'all bikes up there, Meet the girls.
Haley. What's that?
He said. Haley, Haley Haley's up there
with y'all. Y'all saw playing basketball,
argument starred. You heard a gunshot.
Did you see anybody with a gun up there?
No, I went to float this. I'll do that.
And it was all about basketball game.
I was fighting what was there was fighting how many boys were
there, but who was fighting it? Was like a group of the boys.
Was a group of Was any girl? Was any girls with?
Them. But you didn't know the girls,
you just knew the girls y'all was with.
Who's fighting? I ain't a little boy.
So if this is you and Zoe who was fighting y'all, they're
offs. They ain't fighting a little,
fighting some other people. I ain't little boys, OK?
That's that's crazy. That's so you out of there.
Never never. You just heard a shot and deal.
Well, I think that for you. Was this the group right here?
That's the group of people. You're saying?
They look familiar, right? OK yeah, that's the group,
right? Correct.
That's the group of people you're saying, Right?
And these are the girls you was with, right?
So that's Hayley, right? OK, so that's you in a red
hoodie, right? OK, that's Hayley, Right?
OK, so you sitting in between head and legs, so that's your
girl right? Listen, man, hey, look at me.
You know where you're at right now?
You're in the homicide office, OK?
And this is probably the only time we're going to talk to you.
So you need to be honest with us because you're not.
OK? So for starters, we know you
didn't show up on a bicycle. And we know.
We know that. Zoe who?
Zoe. Who's your boy?
You know him forever. What's his first name?
What's his last name? You know him for a long time.
He's your brother, OK? Yeah, that's cool.
That's fine. That's fine.
So we know you didn't play
basketball. We know you weren't smoking
weed. We know you showed up with the
girls in a in AZ trip. And Z shirt now.
OK, he's not asking if you showed up in a Z shirt.
We know you got out of AZ trip OK.
We know you guys were so so for you.
OK. I'm going to just shoot it to
you straight for you. Detectives confront him with
calm precision. There's no room left for lies.
Evidence shows he didn't ride a bike, didn't play basketball.
He arrived in a strange car carrying secrets.
It's time to just make it right, brother, all right and it's be
100% honest, you know what I mean?
Because the. Lion just looks bad.
Yeah, that it just looks bad for you.
So in that case, right, you listening?
So just off and spread one bro. And be honest because it is your
life period. I'm telling you so.
So let's listen. It's your life, OK?
So it's your opportunity to even show some remorse to this family
and be truthful. What family?
The family of the victim who passed away, who died, who got
killed, OK, I know you. We know you don't know him.
But something happened. Whatever it was, it was, it was
fucked up. Whatever happened at that park,
OK, whatever it was, brother, now it's just your time to tell
us your side of what happened, what actually happened.
So I just told you. You did OK.
You, you you told us part of what happened.
You told us you was at the park, OK?
We knew that. OK.
But this young man who was shot, OK, it's your turn to be honest
and tell your side. And tell the last one OK, so.
That's the story you want to go with.
I'm saying that's what I'm telling y'all.
I ain't got no more question. I'm our question to you is for
you to be honest and tell us the 400% truth because you don't
have no more opportunities after this.
You know what I mean? I don't know what type of what
you you think you're, you know, I don't know if you like if it's
helping you with the girls or whatever, not to say, but it's
not it's not looking good for you in that aspect, OK.
I'm trying to cut out. You got nothing to do with
shooting. OK.
So that was, again, you were sitting on the bench with Haley,
OK, You being at the park, spitting on our victim, that's
like, that's total disrespect. Did he spit on you first?
Spitting on what of it? Did he spit on you first?
Who? How do you think I got those
details bro? I don't.
Know what you're talking? About so this know that there's
more to come with there. Can I see who you talking about?
I only know you talking. As far as what?
What are you talking about? What I'm talking about as far
what question are you asking me? Spitting on somebody?
OK, you spit on our Vietnam, he's dead.
OK, you spit at him. You spit on him.
All. Right.
How long you been out in that side of town?
How long you stayed out there? Well.
He denies it, but traces remain. The spit, the stare, the
presence of a gun. A stranger's death now binds him
to a charge he never saw coming but can no longer escape.
Just out on the West Side. How long you lived out there?
I don't live on the West side. OK, where do you live?
Where on your side OK. You know, to carry a gun.
No, no gun. Never touched a gun.
No. So not back in not last year
when you got busted for being in a car, being a couple of gun on
that one. No, no.
And I've got a place to cut again.
Yeah, no. OK, that wasn't your gun.
We never got caught in the gun. No gun.
OK. All right.
So back on Tuesday night at the park when these guys were
fighting, did anybody come at you with a gun or a knife?
No. Sure, OK.
How far were you when the shooting happened?
Yeah, at the court. At the court, about how far?
I don't know why I was at the basketball court.
You know about like feet or yards or anything like that.
What you counting all that? No.
How close were you? Could you see their faces?
No, I just saw it broke people. OK.
Anybody come up and try and fight you, blow up on you?
No. Yeah, no one, no one pulled a
gun or pointed a gun in your face, came out with a knife.
Throw. It in the ground and kick you or
anything like that. You got any injuries anywhere
like you've been beat or stomped on?
So. It's just you and Zo up there,
huh? Yes, Sir.
What's those name again? Zo.
You know his first name. 1st, I ain't got to tell you.
Yeah, I see my lawyer can answer that question.
OK, is. That what you're saying right
now? You want a lawyer.
Yeah. OK, alright, alright.
So just so you know, you're being charged with murder, OK,
in possession of a firearm. OK, we're.
Going to step out and do some paperwork, but if you need
anything or if you want to talk to us again, knock on the door.
All right. So what are you saying?
You know, I'm trying to move fast about what happened.
What you say? Oh, go on.
Just fucking go. What happened, Jan?
There we go. Getting getting charged.
I'm ready. Well, I don't know what to say.
I just know they say they going to take you in and it's going to
be a long time before they figure everything out and sort
it out. But they saying that they wasn't
saying he was guilty or whatever, but they got to figure
it out. And then they just got to get
down to the bottom line and see what's going to happen.
And then they said they got enough evidence to book you in.
I'm not going to have to go around.
Sitting across from his mother, the only family in the room, he
bows his head. No more jokes, no more
misunderstandings. Now only one question remains.
Can there still be a way back? She said she don't get you a
lawyer, so you don't have to be saying nothing.
You could just talk to the lawyer and whatever happened,
you could just let the lawyer know and the lawyer let them
know because you don't you don't know what's going on.
You don't know what to do or what to say.
So it's best for you not to say nothing, to take this time to
just think about your actions on what you're going to do when you
get up out of here and how you going to make a change in your
life. So I don't know what kind of
evidence or whatever they got because they didn't show it to
me, but they said when I get a chance, they say they ran this
past the judge and that's the only reason why they was able to
arrest you because they have evidence.
So just let them go through the evidence to see what it is they
gave. You know that if you know that
this ain't you and this ain't what nothing that was done, then
you just got to sit back and pray.
You just got to sit back and pray and everything will be
alright. Ain't no point in crying because
what's done is done. What's done, Sir, there's no
point in crying. You can only take this time to
sit back and think about the people you choose to hang out
with while this happened, Who was trying to impress who was
trying to protect who or whatever it was.
All you know is this not the life you want to live and you
want to pray if you get a second chance, why you going to turn
this hair around? OK, so your life ain't over.
You just need a second chance. So that's what you need to dwell
on and pray about the second chance and sit down and think
about how you going to make this happen and obey your parents and
come in and come home on time. Come in and come home.
Number one, streets don't love you.
We love you. Not the streets.
See what the streets get. You dead or in jail.
So leave the streets alone. You get your second chance.
You come home when you make something out of yourself.
Understood. So don't worry about it.
Drink some of this soda. Suck it up.
You are. You a man now?
You got to suck it up. You a man now wipe it up, suck
it up, drink some of your soda because I don't know when the
next time you're going to get a soda for me and just sit around
and think about it and wait on your lawyer.
The lawyer will be able to sort it out.
Both done is done now and you heal.
Just try not to get into nothing else.
And like I said, when you get your second chance and leave
this alone, we get this alone. I keep trying to tell you, not
in a throwaway child is not the lifestyle you supposed to be
living. You don't have everything.
Just leave it alone. I've been praying.
So you pray, I pray, you safe. Ain't nothing happened to you.
You're not dead. So prayer work.
OK. So just pray, Suck it up.
Don't worry about it. Most understand.
Inside a cold interrogation room, a mother's voice trembled.
All you need is one second chance.
Leave the streets behind. For the first time, he listened
not to argue, but to understand. Now you just got time to think.
I don't know if you're grandma. But don't be in there crying all
night and slept like that anymore.
But thank you, no call. So like I said, just come here
and wipe it up. You said you weren't worried
about this, no high, right? So just don't worry about it.
I'm still here, but you know, like always been.
I ain't going no while. Ma.
OK. You ready, Mom down there?
Oh, OK. Come on, Danielle.
I'll see you in the morning. Maybe it's the house next door.
OK. Really.
I love you so. You'll be all right, OK?
Maybe just getting some time to sit down and think, 'cause you
was running too wild. You ain't listening to nobody.
OK? Yeah, it's all right.
You'll get a second chance. I know you, baby.
Just not going to go when you're.
Ready to come? OK, Could you give me a hug?
Thank you. I'm sorry you got to go through
this, but all you got to do is listen to your parents, OK?
OK. I don't know how things going to
turn out for you. I ain't got no idea how nothing
going to turn out. No idea at all.
OK. I had to tell them that I pick
y'all up, OK? I had to tell them I pick y'all
up, OK? OK.
But I don't. I didn't know nothing.
I didn't know nothing to say. I told y'all.
Don't tell me nothing. Didn't I tell you that?
OK. All right, David.
So I'm so sorry you got to go through what you're going
through, but if, if, if I help you out of this, you need to get
yourself together, baby. And it's going to take a
miracle. His grandmother arrived holding
back tears. She didn't have answers, only
prayers. She believed in miracles, but
deep down she knew change had to come from him.
No one else could save him. Now it's.
Going to take a miracle that we don't have.
You can tell me a little snap. You can sit back down because I
don't know what's going to happen, baby.
I don't know what's going to happen.
Your grandma don't know. Ain't nothing we can do to help
you now. It's all over now.
I know. It's a hard pill to swallow.
My brother, no. No, nobody, Nobody, nobody.
That's why when you had, when you had your precious time, it
should be precious time. Well, you have to.
You have to mind your company that you keep.
And I always tell you to mind your company that you keep.
You don't even have no business over there.
You don't know nobody over there.
We never took you over there. Daniel like to go play with
nobody and talk with nobody or nothing other than to go over
there and play football when he was trying to play football.
And all of them attitudes and all of that other stuff.
You can't. I mean, you just can't do it,
baby. Then you ain't want to listen to
us. You ain't.
We couldn't say nothing to you. Nothing at all.
Tonight, it's too late. So we still praying and we
looking for a miracle. I don't know what happened.
I wasn't there. OK, baby, I just don't know.
I don't know. We'll see you in the morning,
OK? Yeah, we're coming.
I don't know if you'll be able to say anything to us or not,
but we'll we're going to be there anymore.
And you got some serious charges, baby.
And I'm glad you didn't listen to your uncle on Secret.
I'm not. I'm not going to make something
wrong with. It ready all right I'll walk you
out I'm. Going to be praying to you
later, yes? Ma'am, the case is closed, but
its consequences still echo. DeAndre McRae faced charges of
first degree murder and illegal firearm possession, resulting in
a 35 year prison sentence, all while still in his early 20s.
One reckless second, one unnecessary trigger pull took an
innocent life and cost him his entire future.
Let this be a sobering reminder. 1 Wrong choice, even for a
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