Yeah, I'm ready. Hey, Jared.
Yeah, my name is Undershirt. JT Palmer.
Me and you met on the side of the highway at 177 in Matson Rd.
at about 3:12 this morning, didn't we?
Yes, Sir. OK.
And at that time you made a couple of statements to me when
I put you down on the ground and then after we got, I read your
rights to you, correct? You read my rights before I got
up, Sir. OK.
Before you got up. Off the ground?
Yes, Sir. But you did make a couple of
statements. Yes Sir, I did before I read the
rights without. Me asking anything.
Yes, Sir. You just you told me you was the
guy that I was trying to find. Yes, Sir.
OK. And then I read your rights.
To you. Yes, Sir.
And then rights, whereas you had to wrap your main solid.
Then I had your rights, Sir. Anything you say, can we give
you in? Court.
Yes, Sir. You haven't talked and returned.
You haven't prayed when you've been questioned.
Yes, Sir. And if you couldn't hire for the
hire one want to be appointed to represent you.
Yes, Sir. And I asked you then if you
wanted to talk to me. Yes, Sir.
And you agreed to talk. At the time I said no, but
didn't I? No, I read your eyes to you.
But. Whenever you asked me if I
wished to talk with you about it.
You said you didn't know and then you said.
Yes, yes. And then, yeah.
That's right. And then you said yes, I've
already told you so I might as well.
Is that correct? Yes.
OK. And that.
And then during that talk, do you remember what you told me
after I read your Miranda warning to you?
Not word for word, but the effect, yes.
And what do you remember telling me?
In summation that I'm guilty, yes.
Of what? Of murder.
OK and who did you murder? Gennaro.
OK. And.
And how did you murder him? With a gun, I shot him in the
head twice. Three shots were fired, one
missed. And where did you shoot?
Where was this did it? Where did this happen at?
Around 5 miles north of Asher OK on our side road do.
You know what that side Rd's called?
No, Sir. Do you know what's on the corner
of that side Rd. Power station, Sir.
Like a substation on any substation.
Yes, Sir. And does that road go all the
way through? No, Sir.
It turns left. OK.
And did you have knowledge of this?
Yes, Sir. Are you from that area?
Yes, Sir. And your mom and dad's house is
not too far from there. Maybe half a mile to 3/4 of a
mile, Sir. Can you get to your mom and
dad's house by going down that road?
Yes, Sir. And you indicated maybe you shot
this guy while he was driving his pickup?
Down the road. Yes, Sir.
OK, OK. And that's basically what you
told me on the side of the road. Information.
Yes, Sir. And in fact, we did find a We
already had found a pickup and there was a body next to it and
a ditch. Yes, Sir.
OK. And that's what we're going to
talk about now is that. Are you OK with that?
Yes, Sir. So you're agreeing to talk to me
again? Yes, Sir.
OK. Did you ever give me your full
name? Jerry Lindreth.
Wayne Murray. And what's your date of birth?
July the 20th, 1994. OK.
And do you live with your mom and dad?
Do you stay with your mom and dad?
No, I live at the dormitories in college.
Before then, I lived with my grandparents in town.
In town of Asher, yes. OK.
What do you use for an address? The my parents house yes.
And what is that? 404 Zero 055 Ingram Drive,
Asher, Oklahoma 74826. Ingram.
Yes, INGR AM. IMG.
INGR AM. Yeah.
And so you go to school at East Central.
Yes, Sir. And is this your first year of
college? Yes, Sir.
So you're a freshman at East Central?
Yes, Sir. And you said you stayed in some
dorms? Yes, Sir.
And what's the name of your dorm?
Sorry, E dormitory, Sir, can. You spell that for me.
PESAGII believe. Sir.
TESAGIE. PES.
AGI.
OK. And that's a native.
Yes, Sir. OK.
And the young man that you stated to me that you shot twice
in the head? Yes, Sir.
And his name? Do you know his full name?
No Sir, I only know his first name.
And his first name is what? Gennaro.
I do not know how to spell that, but it is with AG.
OK. And do you go to school with
him? Yes, Sir.
And do you stay in the same dorm?
The same. Building, Sir, Same building.
And what's your dorm number? 463D. 463 BDD.
Yes, Sir. You don't hear this?
No, but I know it's an E section.
E section and how do you know him?
Towards the beginning of the year we met in a mutual friends
room playing video games Sir. OK.
And do you take any classes with him or?
No, Sir. OK.
So you know him through a mutual friend and you guys know him in
the same dorm? Yes, Sir, different different
sections. Yes, Sir, but it's.
Literally right down the hall. So do you spend?
Quite a bit of time together? No, Sir.
OK.
The pickup that was he was in tonight and you was in, was that
his? Pickup or your pickup?
I'm fairly. Sure it was his, Sir.
OK. And you remember what kind of
pickup that was? Black.
I'm sorry, I don't. You don't know.
I don't know much about cars. But single cab?
Single cab black dent on the passenger side.
OK. And can you go back and tell me
how you 2 got hooked up tonight or I think this is actually
we're talking right now we're at almost 6:00 in the morning.
So can you go back and tell me when you guys got together this
would have been? Maybe around, maybe around 9:00
yesterday evening. So on the 5th.
Yes, maybe it was closer to 10. OK, 9 to 10 and have you guys
hook up? I went down to his dorm room and
asked if I could be given a ride to Walmart in exchange for $20
gas money. OK.
And did he agree to that? Yes, Sir.
OK. And did he in fact take you to
Walmart? Yes Sir, we got his pickup truck
and he drove me to Walmart. So you talked.
About the Walmart night. Yes, Sir.
And that's a couple miles from the school. 2.2 no 1.7 miles,
Sir. 1.7 miles. Yes, Sir.
No. So he took me to Walmart.
Yes, Sir. And did you both go in?
No, we did not go in, Sir. And why not we?
Pulled into the parking lot, then I pulled the weapon on him
and demanded that he take me to Asher, Oklahoma, Sir.
And why did all of a sudden did you decide that you need to go
to Asher? Because I was planning to take
him out into the country and kill him.
OK, so when you got him at the dorm, was your intention never
to go to Walmart? Yes Sir, you was.
In fact, was you at that point already in your mind was going
to take him and kill him? Yes, Sir.
Had he done something to you? That no.
Sir. OK, so you just can you kind of
tell me when you made this decision that you was going to
take him and kill him? Why?
I made the decision three days prior to the incident, attempted
it two days prior to the incident, but he was not in his
room and then did so today as he was in his room, OK.
So you've been, you've been praying this for two days.
Two weeks? Yes, two weeks.
But not with the selected individual, no.
And when did you get to the point where you knew it was
going to be him? That was three days prior to the
incident. And why him?
All the kids in college here want on you.
I believed that he would have had the least impact, Sir.
Impact of. 11. I believed he didn't have many
friends or many close friends. I should rephrase and as his as
he is going missing, his absence would be less notable.
OK, So what about if tomorrow school?
Nobody would have thought anything of it.
That was the plan, Sir, Yes. And so why did you choose to
take him to Asher? To kill him when?
My plan was for after my killing him, I was going to head north
towards Canada and Asher was further north than Ada.
So and then I know the surrounding terrain and I knew a
good spot. I didn't have that spot planned
in particular. If I had planned that for Ada, I
would have had a great duck, but I knew a general area.
So you brought him to that area because you knew that area
because he was raised there? Yes, Sir.
And that's the road that you would travel going back and
forth to your mom and dad's house.
No Sir, I traveled the road further to the South of it, just
the road once out to it, that's the road I would travel going to
my mother's house from the school on my bus route, Sir.
What I'm saying, you're familiar with that road.
Yes, Sir. And where it would go to, yes,
Sir, not much traffic on that road at this time, but.
Yes, Sir. The only people that go on that
road are those that live on that road, Sir.
And you knew that? Yes, Sir.
OK. So when you pulled the gun on
him at Walmart in the parking lot?
Yes, Sir. What did you tell him?
I told him to take new data Asher.
Asher and Did he say anything? He panicked, want to pull out
his phone. I inked the phone out of his
hand and then he panicked some all kept telling me not to kill
him, to make him feel more comfortable.
I unloaded the clip, unloaded the bullet from the chamber and
then over to him, and that eased his nerves a little.
Then I pulled a second clip out of my pocket and set it on my
lap. OK.
And and you drove him to and he so he drove you.
Yes, Sir. And did you have any
conversation between Ada and Azure?
The entire time was a conversation, Sir.
Was it by what? Can you tell me what that
conversation was about? From.
Ada to halfway to Asher. It was just my trying to
reaffirm him that I wasn't going to kill him to calm his nerves.
And then from that point on, we was talking on our upbringings,
our past, our family histories, things of more philosophical
nature, etcetera, etcetera. OK.
And so did he say any when you had him to pull off of the main
highway onto this dirt Rd. No, Sir.
Before this time I had pulled out his phone and pulled up his
DPS and showed him where I went to make him feel more
comfortable. Sir.
OK. And so when you turn W off of
177 and there's we've already talked about this, there's a
substation there. We didn't pull onto that road
Sir. We pulled onto the road to the
South of it, drove past Turkey Hill one Rd., turned left, went
to around where the Boas lived, made another left past Windham
Lake Estates, went straight and then went down that road from
the other direction. So you came in from the West
side of where the pickups at? West heading east, yes, OK.
And so you're headed east on what is known as Substation Rd.,
which is the road where the pickup is at now.
Yes, Sir. So you had an eased and.
He's driving and you're. On the passing side, he's got
some bullets that you gave him. He had a clip in one round.
Yes, OK. And where was it at?
In his left hand, Sir. And you had a gun.
Yes, Sir. And what kind of gun?
Was that Springfield ornery XD40 Smith and Wesson 40 caliber?
OK. And you had the gun and another
magazine, but you didn't have the magazine in the gun.
I did not have the magazine in the gun.
Every 5 to 10 minutes he had me put my finger in the how where
the clip goes and show that the round it wasn't chambered OK.
Until you're driving east. And so I guess at some point did
you decide it was now was the time?
Yes, Sir. OK.
And what happened? I loaded the gun quickly,
chambered the round quickly, shot once, missed, shot a second
time, hit, jumped out of the car, went around.
He was driving 1015 miles an hour, so it was rather slow.
Ran around the hood of the car and of course it was slow when
he wasn't purposely driving. Tried to pull him out, Couldn't
get him out until he already had hit the tree.
Pulled him out there, dumped him into the no.
Before I dumped him into the ditch, I heard him girdling.
I'm not sure if that was a physiological or physical
process after death, but I thought that he might have still
lived through that somehow because he was girdling.
So I shot him again and then shoved him down in the ditch.
I then. Got his phone.
OK, hang on, let's back up just a second.
Yes, Sir, you fired. The first round?
Yes Sir. And you missed?
Yes, Sir. Do you know where that round
hit? I believe it hit the top of the
door, but it might have hit the window.
You said did the window bust the window?
Did bust Sir, but I don't remember if that was the first
through the second round. OK, so you you fired once and
missed. Yes, Sir.
And you fired the second round? Yes, Sir.
And did you hit him then? Yes, Sir.
And you hit him in the head. In the side of the head.
Yes, Sir. So it would have been he was
right. Here it was.
Around here, Sir. The right hand side of his head.
Yes, Sir. Somewhere about a year.
Yes, Sir. And he was the cat started
bearing off the road. To the left.
Sir. OK.
And that's. When you got out and ran around.
Yes, Sir. And you opened the door.
Yes, Sir. And you tried to pull him out.
Yes, Sir. And so when you shot and he was
still guard, guard on. Yes, Sir.
So was he setting up when you shot him that headed?
No, Sir, he. Was lying down on the ground.
So you pulled him out of the truck?
And just threw him on the ground and then I heard him gurgling,
so I shot him a second time. And where did you hit him the
second time? I'm not certain, but I believe
the head as well. OK.
The backside. I believe it was the same side
as the. Same side as before.
Yes, Sir. So you you think you hit him
twice, or you know you know you could hit him in a fact once in
the head. Yes, Sir.
And then the. Second round is probably in the
head area too. Yes, Sir.
OK, and then you rode him down the ditch?
Yes, Sir. And what did you do then?
I grabbed his phone from inside the vehicle.
I was going to put it on the ground and shoot it as well but
I have a bit of night blindness and didn't see the steepness of
the hill where it started to veer down.
So when I threw it down it slid down the hill and landed screen
side down so I wasn't able to find its location.
So his phone is somewhere around his body.
Yes, it should be. It might be underneath his body.
And did you do something with the body after that?
Yes Sir, I repositioned it and then I tried to cover it,
admittedly not well with the leaves, dirts and stick.
OK, a stick. Yes Sir, there was a stick on
the side of the hill. I just grabbed everything on the
side of the hill and pushed it on top of them.
OK, now when you say a stick and I was at the scene, I went down
there and you know that. Yes, Sir.
We actually brought you back down there and had you set in
the car down there, correct. And there it is still at all.
It's about 3 foot long, about inch and champ and down there.
And it's right. Across the body, but there's a
whole bunch of blood on it. Is there any particular reason
that stick? It had blood on it and it could
be because I rolled his body on top of it, because if it was on
the side of the hill his body would have crossed over.
I couldn't think of any reason in particular.
Though. OK, so you didn't hit him with a
stick or do anything with him with a stick?
No, Sir. I guess that stick just ended up
on top of them. Yes, Sir.
It's possible he could rub them over on it and then when you
just cover them up, that stick just ended up on top of the body
it. Ended up on top of them because
the way I covered up came up, yeah.
And so after you got the body covered up, what did you do
then? I headed back to the truck and
tried to get it unstuck. So you put it in reverse and
tried. To and then drive and tried to
and it it wasn't going. So after that I.
Literally you say it wasn't going, it was because it was
stuck. I believe.
One of the wheels. Was off the ground and it wasn't
making traction. OK.
And so you could get the truck out.
So what did you do then? I.
Looked to the left and from the headlights I saw that I could
still see his own shirt so I covered him up better and as I
was finishing that I saw the headlights from a car pulling
over the hill. So I went down and.
Which way would it come from? It.
Was heading east West from the east side so from the highway
and he was slowing down already so I just came out as quickly as
I could from behind the truck and plied him down by waving my
hands and he asked what was going on.
I told him that I had a drowsed dozed off and veered off the
road and I couldn't get my truck on stock.
Then he was AI think he I don't think he knew exactly what
happened, but I don't I think he knew I did something maybe
stealing. I don't know because like you
said, the no one travels down that road.
Did you know him? No, Sir, I did not know him.
But since no one travels down that road and he most likely
lived in that area, he knew that I didn't.
So most likely he was suspicious just from that fact alone
because I had no business being on that road.
But he agreed to give me a ride to Asher nonetheless.
More specifically, he didn't agree with that until his phone
didn't work. We pulled up to about about the
highway, then he dialed a number for me.
I gave him a fake number. That way it wouldn't answer and
if it did answer then I could just make something up whenever
it didn't answer. It was a phone that was out of
Surface. He agreed to take me into Asher
so I could get my cellular phone.
I don't have a cellular phone to call someone that I knew that
could Get Me Out. And what did he take you to in
Asher? My grandparents house.
And what is your grandparents name?
Ethel, I don't know if it's from Roger, Roger Canal.
And so he took you in What? And what do you know their
address nature. Three O 6 E Salter St.
OK. And that's where he took you to?
Yes, Sir. OK.
And you got out. Yes, Sir.
OK. And what'd you do then?
I went into the house, I had a Coca-Cola.
I called my roommate from college and told him that I had
an accident and wondered if he could either Get Me Out of the
ditch or knew anyone that could Get Me Out of the ditch.
What's your roommate's name? Shane Schroth, then.
Does he have a cell phone? Yes, Sir.
And you know that number. Not off the top of my head, Sir,
but if I had a phone, I could tell you it's like a one.
I know. All right?
I can tell you it now 1-405-694-0359. 694.
O359. And what's his name again?
Shane Shroth. And he goes to school there.
Yes, he also graduated from Asher with the class.
With your, you know, we talked before and you did actually
graduate from Asher. Yes, Sir.
OK. But you would have graduated
with him. Yes, Sir, he did.
And what's? Your friend's name.
Schroth, SCHROTH. OK, so he knew you from Asher?
Yes. OK.
And we were roommates also in college because we were fairly
good friends. He.
Did so you guys in the same dorm, same room?
Yes. And so you told him you were
stuck. Yes.
I told him that I'd rent my car off the ditch and asked if you
knew anyone that could Get Me Out.
Do you own the car? No, Sir.
Did he not know this? He didn't ask, Sir.
OK. And what did he tell you?
He. Said he would try to call his
mother to see if his father could do it for me and they were
asleep so there's no answer. So at that point I decided I
should go off on my own and I got that account of WD40 and was
going. Where'd you get this account of
WD40 yet? I stole it from his parents.
OK, let's back up just a second. Yes, Sir.
Did you say you take your grandparents?
Yes, Sir. OK, how did you get to his
parents house? He was on the other side of
Asher. I walked.
OK. When you say the other side of
Asher will help me out east of Asher W Asher north or South?
Asher. South South of the quick stops.
No, it's in the town, just on the South side.
OK, you don't know their. Address.
No, Sir. So you well after I'm just
trying to make. Understand this?
Yes. So you called him from your
grandparents house? Yes, Sir.
And then he tried to call his parents.
Yes, Sir, and no answer. No answer, Sir, So you go.
At your grandparents house. Yes, Sir, And you?
Walked to his mom and dad's house.
Yes, Sir. About how far is that from your
grandparents house? Not far at all.
It's maybe 8 to 9 blocks. I don't know mileage that.
And you walked to their. House.
Yes, Sir. And did you knock on the door?
Or I just. Got the can of WD for you and.
What was your dad? Outside, Sir.
On porch or? They live in a trailer house,
Sir. It was to the right if they're
entering Kuai. Just sitting on the ground or?
Sitting on top of milk, right? OK, so but it was in the yard.
Yes, Sir. OK.
And so. And why did you get to WD40?
WD40 is a solvent, it would help degrade the Oreos from my
fingers and get rid of my fingerprints Sir.
OK. So you're going to take this
kind of WD40 and go back to the crime scene and used WD40 on the
pickup? Yes, Sir, to try to get rid of
your finger prick. Yes, Sir.
OK. And did you do that?
No Sir, when I was on my way back as opposed to going down or
directly to it, I cut through forest area there by an
abandoned trail house and as I was entering the general area
about the crime scene I heard I believe it was an elderly
gentleman cough. I'm not sure who.
I'm not sure what I just left because, well, around that area
the man who gave me a ride into town was an elderly gentleman.
I concluded he might have went back and they had lights and the
brake lights were still on. I thought he might have went to
turn him off so my battery wouldn't have done it.
And then he saw the at least the blood, probably the body.
The other body wasn't well hidden at all.
OK. That's the conclusion I reached
anyways. You was in the woods.
Yes, Sir. And so you don't really know who
it was. And I just.
Heard an overturement. Cough could you see the pickup?
No, Sir. OK.
So you couldn't, you couldn't see the pickup.
No, Sir. And so you've been on.
Were you on the South side of the road in the woods?
Yes, Sir. And so, but you never could see
the pickup again or know who was there.
No, Sir. So what did you do then?
I I headed back east instead of South.
Took a different route to get out of the wooded area around
the barbed wired fence. Jumped the barbed wired fence.
Headed South along another barbed wire fence I found next
to the highway. Well, you couldn't see the
highway, but you could easily hear it and I could see the
substation from there pretty clearly.
Headed South along that, came across another barbed wire
fence, jumped it, and then headed to where I started out at
at that abandoned trailer house there.
Then I walked away, headed north.
Yeah, the abandoned trailer house.
Is it South of the substance? Yes, it's South of the
substation. About how far?
Maybe 100 yards. You know what side of Rd. it's
on? West Side.
West Side, it's up. The ways a little it's in a the
you know how tradable houses out in the country, they'll have
driveways moving to them. So I'm not sure if you can see
it from the highway or not, but and the driveways run down.
I happen to know no one lives there.
So I figured that was the perfect vantage point to get to
the crime scene again. So did you get back on the
highway? Yes, Sir.
And which way did you go? No, Sir.
You know, what were your intentions walking north?
Canada, Sir. You're going to Canada?
Yes, Sir. OK.
I had hoped that by determining that I was heading South, you
went to Asher. You would have known my
grandparents house, and I was hoping that my name would
probably show up somewhere in the course of this little thing.
I didn't expect it to be found so quickly.
Why do you think it would be? I didn't think someone would
drive down that road. In my original plan, I gave
myself maybe 6 to 8 hours to get out of the area, but since it
was found so quickly, at least I believed so at the time.
I didn't want to revise the plan because I had headed South
originally going into town and I was hoping you'll think that I
was heading towards Mexico as it's much closer and probably
easier to get past the border. So you're walking north on 177?
Yes, Sir. And what side of the road was
you on? I was on the right side of the
road, Sir. Yeah.
So if you're going East side and you was walking, yes Sir.
And what happened then? I had tried hitchhiking part of
most of the way because the only way this was going to work,
factoring in my belief that you all found the crime scene, is if
someone were to give me a ride there and then.
However, that didn't happen. Most of the people were
truckers, so they just kept driving.
They have a place to go. And then whenever your patrol
car was pulling it behind me, I didn't know it was a patrol car.
I started my thumb out and. You was there for the rest.
And that's when I that's when me and you first gave in contact.
Yes, Sir. And you advised them to get on
the ground, correct? Yes, Sir.
OK. And that's when I I had you put
your hand behind your back. Yes, Sir.
And then when I approached you, I asked you for my safety and
your safety. Did you ever get it?
Yes, Sir. And you said no.
Yes, Sir. And you remember what else you
said? I might have mentioned the
ammunition in my left. Pocket, Sir.
Yes, Sir. And then what else?
I'm the one you're looking for. And at that point I told you to
be quiet, and I got you read your rights to you.
Oh, is that correct? I'm not sure, but if you're
saying it's correct, well. No, I'm do you remember that
conversation that when you said? No, Sir.
I said, well hang on just a second.
Yeah, you did say that. Yes, Sir.
I did read your rights to you, yes Sir, and I read your rights
to you at that point. Yes, Sir.
OK. I wasn't aware he was telling me
to be quiet. I thought he was just saying I
need to read your rights. But I I told you, you do
Remember Me saying be quiet for a second, Yeah.
Hold on a second. Yeah, something to that.
Yes, Yeah. OK, Jared, we're we've talked
about this and you told me the gun.
You have the gun in the pickup. Yes, Sir.
OK. And and we've talked and and
I've told you that, you know, you've already told us about the
homicide. Yes.
And you, you told us about shooting them.
Yes, Sir. The gun's not in the truck.
It was in the truck, Sir. And so I need to know where that
gun's at. When I left the scene, it was in
the truck, Sir. It was still in the.
Truck. It was still in the truck, Sir.
Where? Was it at in the truck?
It was, I believe it was on the center console, but it's
possible it could have been between the driver's seat and
the center console. OK.
Because the center console just pushed up, it's not down.
I don't remember that. Well, you kept saying it was on
the center console. To be on the center console, the
center console would have to be in the down position, correct?
Yes, Sir. The center console is up, so was
it up or down when you was there?
I think it was down, Sir. OK.
So, but your intention is it, can I ask you why you'd leave
with a gun there if you just killed somebody and you was
going to get to Canada? Because that man pulled up too
quickly, Sir. OK.
And was that your gun? No, Sir.
And where did you get that gun from?
I stole it two weeks ago from a man named Daniel Davis, 217 N
Division St. Now where's Division St.
It's the if you're going down old 18.
And what? Town.
Is it in Astor? Oklahoma.
And his name's Daniel Davis. Yes.
And how did you steal it from his house?
I went into his house, he and his family and my family are on
good terms. I just walked in the door and
went back to his mother's room and told her that I had a video
game to return to Daniel. Then I went into Daniel's room,
put a video game that I brought with me as a way to get into the
door and got the gun. OK.
And so was it in a box or was it?
Yes, Sir, it was in a case. And where's the case up?
It's still at his house, Sir. Because you took the gun out of
the case. I took the gun in two clips,
Sir. All the clips and where's the
right? So there's just two.
Yes, Sir. And where's there ammunition in
them? Yes Sir, there was 12 rounds in
each clip. Since I fired 3 rounds from that
one clip, that means there's 9 rounds in it Should be and the
other clip had 11 rounds in it because 1 was chambered and the
other round was. I unchambered it and handed it
to them. OK.
Now, I brought you in here and we was uncuffing you.
I was just checking the pockets of your jackets.
Make sure you didn't have any weapons in your pockets,
correct? Yes, Sir.
And I pulled out this kind of WD40 out of your right coat
pocket. Yes, Sir.
And in your left coat pocket there is a purple crown rural
bag. Yes, Sir.
And I took that out of your pocket.
Yes, Sir. And can you tell me what's in
here? Smith and Wesson 40 caliber
round, Sir. And was in part of the rounds
that you stole the guns. No, Sir.
I bought those two or three days later off of a friend of mine,
Sir. Just that, that many rounds.
That plus what was in the clip Sir.
So there was 12 and 12/24 plus whatever in there.
OK, no you, but you said that there was already the magazines
already have bullets in them. No, Sir, I.
Loaded them with the ammunition I bought, Sir.
OK, so when you stole the gun in the magazines, there was no
bullets with it? No.
Bullets were in it, Sir. OK.
So you what was in the two magazines?
Nothing, Sir. No.
As for the ammunition, yes Sir. And what's in here?
You. You.
Brought off of a friend? Yes, Sir.
And you know his name. Not off the top of my head, Sir.
Does he go to college? No, Sir, it's.
I call him a friend but he's just a guy and.
Where are you from? Ada, Sir.
Do you know how to get hold of him or?
No Sir, it's a guy I know through a guy.
I just got the word out. I was looking for some
ammunition and then a friend of mine sold it to me.
So do. You don't have any grounds
you're in here. No, Sir.
I believe there is anywhere between 3:00 to 6:00.
Though without pulling them out, they're somewhere between 3:00
to 6:00 rounds of 40 caliber ammunition, correct?
Yes, Sir. OK.
And your intentions is the gun, when you got out into Asher
after you shot this young man, that the gun was still in the
truck? Yes, Sir.
And with the magazines. Yes, Sir.
One of the magazines as he was holding one of the other
magazine, I believe it fell out of the truck whenever I pushed
him out. He I didn't see it in the
floorboard before I left because I was trying to gather it all
up, but I think he might still have it in his left hand.
I know it was whole again. It's like.
But. At the crime scene.
Every time in the magazine that was in the gun.
Yes. The one round that you handed
him, yes. And in the floor magazine, yes
he did. So we're talking about a total
of how many rounds you said there was was both of them had
12 in it. Yes, Sir.
So there we should have, we should have you fired 3 rounds,
correct? Yes, Sir.
So there should be 21 rounds and two magazines there and a gun.
Yes, Sir. Plus, well, there.
Yes Sir. 21 rounds and two magazines and a gun.
Yeah. And also in your pocket, there
was a debit card. MasterCard has the name Jared
Murphy. Murray.
And that's you, correct?
Yes, Sir. OK.
And this is yours. Yes, Sir.
OK. All right, Jared, I want to ask
you to just sit here for just a second and I'll be right back,
OK? Yes, Sir.
OK, Jerry, I've got a couple other things I don't even need
to slide down, all right? Yes, Sir.
I, I believe you'll be honest with me.
I believe you've told me stuff that that that I have no qualms
about what you tell me. Except for a couple of things.
I know for a fact you didn't get the WD40 from the front yard.
You're right, I planned on keeping him out of this.
But I did go into his house. He did give it to me.
And yeah. When you say who?
And when you say him, who you? The parent of the friend that I
called. Shane's.
Shane's father, His stepfather, yes.
And you know his name. Michael Norris.
OK. And what did you tell Michael?
I told him about what had happened and asked for his
opinion on my next course of action.
Yeah. You mean you told him what
happened? What do you mean?
The murder, I told him about it. So you told you told Shane's
father about the murder you just did.
Not the specifics, but the general picture, yes.
Can you you mean what you told him?
Not exactly, but I mean, I didn't tell him I fired three
shots, missed one, shot him in the head.
Not all that. I just said that I got a truck.
I killed the guy for it. It's in a ditch, OK?
Did you tell him how you did it? I don't remember, but I might
have. OK.
And this is very important. I don't want you to rethink
about this because you said you're trying to keep him out of
trouble. Yes, Sir.
And I didn't know more than you think I know.
Yes, Sir. So I'm still got the gun.
Yes, Sir. It's not in the truck.
It was when I left the scene that was the whole point of him
taking me back so I could get it.
So he took you back to the scene, he said.
You what? No, he drove me to the abandoned
house that I spoke of, Yes. OK, so Mr. Norris gave you the
account of WD. 40 Yes, Sir. And I bravely probably got that
from his bathroom of his house. I'm not aware of where he got
it, but if that's where he says, then yeah, OK.
And so he drove you from Azure back to.
There the scene. Just South of where you return
on substation. Road.
Yes, Sir. And that's where the abandoned
dryer house is on the West side. Yes, Sir.
And so you got out of the car and walked up through the
abandoned dryer house, down through the woods.
Yes, Sir, and. Then that's when you heard
somebody cough. Yes, Sir.
OK. There is a, Nolt wrote on a
piece of park on a like a business card on the passion
side window stuck on the pickup. The wind is up and there's a
note stuck in there that says come to the house and then in
the road. Did you write that?
No, Sir. Huh.
No, Sir. You didn't write that.
No, Sir. You have any idea how that note
could have got there? No, Sir, I don't.
Think anything like that? Was there whenever I left OK?
So is it possibly that the gentleman?
Yes, when I was on the way back into Asher he had told me that
some thieves stole about $1000 worth of guns of his and that he
was looking for him and if he found him he would kill him dead
on the side of the road. Then I said $1000 is a fair
amount of money and he said it didn't matter if it was 50, he
doesn't like these so. Is it possible that he could
have on his way home, he could have stopped and wrote that
note? Yes, that's a possibility.
I won't deny that. Like I said, I thought it might
have been him that called the police.
I still don't know if it was or not, but I thought it might have
been him. He went to turn my lights off
and then saw the blood and then called.
But if he did write that note, then I don't think he would have
called the police. OK.
All right. I just want to go over a couple
of points with you and then we're going to take another
break. OK.
Yes, Sir. And you started this out that
you've actually had this on your mind for about 3 weeks.
Yes, Sir. And you just didn't know who.
Yes, OK. Or or.
Where? Well, I had a general idea of
the area, but that was picked out about a week ago.
Sir, you. Know was that picked out because
of just being familiar with where the surroundings?
Yes, Sir. And so let's go back to our
victim, the young man that you killed.
General. You just basically picked him
out because you thought that you nobody would miss him if I
understood what you. In general, yes, Sir.
And you told me that on the way to you guys talked from Ada to
Asher. Yes, Sir.
About your upbringings? Yes, Sir.
Was your upbringing any different from his?
Yes, Sir. And what was the difference
between your upbringing and his? Nothing major.
I mean, we didn't talk on the topic of the upbringings for
very long. He just said that he was always
fat and overweight and got made fun of it.
So he had confidence issues and then I said I never well I had
that problem, but that problem stopped in about the 5th grade,
so. Yeah, and why did it stop?
The bullies that picked on me, I beat them up.
And got a dasher. Yes, OK.
So you better if you beat them up not because you just wanted
to beat them up, but because they was making fun of.
You. I had to stop them from making
fun of you, yes. OK, I can understand that.
Let me. Have you done any other thing
that's been violent? Yes, Sir.
The mutual friend that I talked about that and I went through
his name is Wyatt Freeman. He lives across the hall from
me. I don't always remember it's
directly across the hall though. Maybe a month, a month and 1/2
into college, we had been hung out almost every night, played
video games. It was all fun and games, you
know, And I was talking to him and then the topic of piling was
brought up. And then he said if I got you in
a chokehold, you would tap out. And I said, I'm not going to tap
out. And then he got me in a
chokehold and I was knocked unconscious.
And when I woke up, everyone in the room was laughing at me.
And then he said that there was no way I was knocked unconscious
in that shortened amount of time.
And then I punched him in the face.
And then he pushed me away and told me to get out of his room.
Then I spat in his face and left his room.
And then he came to my room and I had a flashlight that I, I
dropped out of my pocket and was holding it and said, this is
your flashlight, I want to reach for it.
He pulled me into the hallway and was going to beat me for it.
And then I told him that I was going to let him beat me.
And then whenever they came to break it up, I'd be the one with
all the injuries and it'd be his fault.
And then the East Central University Police responded to
that. And his first name is what?
White. I'm not quite sure how to spell
that. Friedman is his last.
OK, Jeremy, I want to ask you just point blank, because I
mean, you, you sat here and confessed to pretty much
anything in my mind, and I think you might agree with me.
Just Cole Bradley killed a young man tonight.
Or that's not Have you ever killed anybody else?
No, Sir. Have you ever thought of it?
More myself than anyone else, Sir.
And when the last time you thought about killing yourself?
Three weeks ago, Sir. And what was going on three
weeks ago? Nothing in particular.
My grandfather died recently, but that's not related to it.
Before his death, I had similar thoughts almost as frequently.
Your grandfather is the same man.
Further than that, you caught the ride to back to his house
tonight or a different. One, yes, my grandparents house,
he lived there with my grandmother, yes.
So your grandfather's dead? Yes, Sir.
And so your grandmother is by herself.
She had a friend over, but yeah. But OK, yeah, let me let me ask
you this, Jared, are you, are you taking any medications for
any mental illness? No, Sir.
Have you ever? No, Sir.
Do you take drugs? No, Sir.
Have you ever taken drugs? I smoked marijuana in my mid to
early teenage years. When's the last time you smoked
marijuana? Maybe six years ago, maybe 5.
You ever done any other type of drugs?
No, Sir. You're not on any medication.
No Sir, just an Abirol inhaler for asthma.
Sir, you. Do have asthma?
Yes. Sir So.
When you let's go back three weeks ago, when you, you, you,
you started planning that you was going to kill somebody.
Yes, Sir. And you just didn't know who or
when. Yes, Sir.
What made last night the time and who, I can't understand.
Who? As I stated earlier, it wasn't
necessarily last night I made the decision to do it.
And who three days ago and I tried, No, maybe Tuesday.
I made the decision Tuesday, this whole saying days ago
because it's a different day than it was yesterday, that it
was Tuesday that I made the decision it should be him and he
wasn't in his dorm. I didn't try again.
No, maybe I did try again the day after.
I don't remember the days anymore.
It was Tuesday. I made-up my mind though, on who
it was and I tried that night. And I never don't have a hard
time understanding what you. Got out of it.
Can you? Can you?
Can you help? Me, I don't really get anything
out of it. I mean, but why?
If you wouldn't want to get some food or something, why did you
do it? I guess is what I'm asking.
If I'm pressed to answer, I'll say it's to prove the strength
of my resolve. But that's only if I'm pressed
to answer. I'm not pressing you, I'm just
trying to understand. Then I don't know why.
OK. So it just.
Popped in my head and. Popped in your head?
Yes, Sir. OK, but it's never popped in
your head before. Not other people, Sir, No.
That you've that you've never killed before.
No, Sir. Animals.
No, Sir, I've never haunted. I know how to hunt, I know how
to make a bone arrow, I know how to fuel dress animals and
whatnot. But I've never haunted before,
no. And I'm just talking, before you
indicated to me you did not graduate from.
So when you say fucked out, was that because you just couldn't
do it or you just I didn't? Want to do.
The teachers at the school, as well as all faculty admitted
that I was the smartest person there.
They knew I could do the work. I didn't see the point of doing
it if they are, you know, and everyone knows that I could do
it. Well, that was my next question
because it don't make sense. Somebody that would fuck out of
school would be at East Central. That summer, and I've been going
to an organization called Overbound Math and Science since
maybe three years ago. And would you do any other brown
and stiffening East Central? Yes, that's they are both upper
bound and upper bound math and science.
It's obviously the. Right of Seminole states.
Also does the same thing so but I don't think you can get to
math and science at Seminole State.
I think that's just all. It's just upper bound, yeah.
So you've been going to east center upper bound?
For three years. Yes, Sir.
So. And.
What kind of grade are you making at?
College right now I believe I've filled everything except for
choices and Wellness, Sir. Is or you failed everything but
yours. Yes, Sir.
And why is that? Laziness.
I would suppose, Sir. OK.
Didn't feel like going to classes.
I mean, if I was already up in the central area to eat a meal,
I'd go to. Classes because it's not like.
I have a problem going to classes.
It's from the dorms to the central area.
I was too lazy to. Travel that distance.
Not because you couldn't do the work.
Not because I couldn't do the work, I was passing most of my
classes before then. And what was your ambitions or
your dreams to be? I had hoped to become a chemist
for the Department of Defense. Got a hard doing candidate,
wouldn't you agree? Yes, Sir.
And ask you this and you can answer if you want.
I just I'm having a hard time. Yes, Sir.
Do you feel any remorse? I'm sad that I got caught so
quickly, but that's almost lessened by being caught by
someone who has sheriff on their jacket.
So but for killing them, no. Yeah.
So it makes you feel better that you know somebody had sheriff on
their jacket that arrested you. Yes, Sir.
Opposed to what? A.
Deputy or someone like that, Sir.
Yeah, well, I'm not the sheriff. I'm aware of that.
I'm the undersurer. The.
Person driving me up here told me that but still it's.
So it makes you feel better that you got caught by somebody up in
rank than somebody under. Here but my.
Question again is do you have any remorse?
No, Sir. Yeah, but about here for a
minute, OK. Yes, Sir.
Yes. Sir.
My left thumb's been numb since we got to the crime scene.
But no, I don't know. I figured when the cuffs came
off feelings would return to it, but in this area it's still
numb. I probably just need to work it.
Well, I I haven't. Have you ever been cut before?
No, Sir. Yes, you ain't never been in
trouble. No, Sir.
So if I run a record on you, I'm not going to find anything on
you. You might.
Find that assault from a couple months ago, but that'd be.
It OK and that was when you and the other guy in dorm got into.
It yes. About the chokehold, yes, Sir.
OK. I'll tell you attention to go to
college. You probably have a computer,
correct? I have a.
Laptop, Sir. OK.
And it's. Probably at your dorm.
Yes, Sir. OK.
And I know we've talked about this kind of in general that you
didn't know who it was going to be or when it was going to be,
but you kind of knew where. And.
Then you tried this Tuesday night and then he wasn't there
so he was home. This is now Friday morning, so
it been Thursday night. OK.
And and I'll talk to you some about was there going to be
others? I and.
You know, and you, you made a statement earlier that you was
happy that you got caught by somebody in the Veronica statute
in the Sheriff's Office. So then you understand that I'm
going to do my job thorough. Yes, Sir, and I.
Understand that completely. And that means that I'm going to
end up getting a search warrant for your computer.
Yes. Sir, I understand that.
And so if there is it, I'm going this searching your computer.
We we're going to find anything where you had any ideals of
wanting to do a mass shooting in a school.
No, Sir. Or you were going to kill
anybody else. No, Sir.
OK, why would you want me to believe that this was just going
to be a one time thing since you planned this for three weeks and
if I Tuesday night you knew who and you knew when but it failed.
Yes, Sir. Tell me why I should believe you
that there just was going to be one person that was going to
suffer from your consequences of killing.
You have no reason to believe me, Sir.
I agree, but so but you're trying to tell me that you're
just going to do it one time and that was going to be the end of
it. Yes, Sir.
OK, so I'm not going to find anything on your computer that's
going to be or when I go to college, when myself and this
team from the DA's office goes to the campus and we talked to
everybody that you're associated with in the dorms, nobody's
going to tell us that. Well, he's talked about the
school shooting or killing other people.
I'm not going to find that. No, Sir.
OK. That said, I have been asked by
people including at Asher school if I'm a murderer or ever plan
on it, but I've never planned on it since 3 weeks ago and I've
never killed anyone. So the answer has always been
no. I've never been sure if it was
jailed in the layer seriously. That said.
OK, I guess I'm just having a real hard time understanding
why. Why him?
Well. If it was a random person,
there's the possibility you could have children or something
of that nature. If it was someone else up there,
they have a lot more friends, they're a lot more social, so.
So to tell us just about his quota status of not really
having many friends or or being social, it was a good victim.
His. Presence would be less noticed,
yes. OK.
That said, he did have a girlfriend and some friends.
Yeah, you don't think you heard a friend where I missed him?
I wasn't aware of his girlfriend until tonight, Sir.
Oh, so he told you before you killed him?
No, the entire way down there. I haven't had any to phone at
Walmart the entire way down there she was texting him so I
was texting what he told me to text back.
It's a sort of conversation between he had a girlfriend and
actually you, but you was texting what he.
Yes. OK, OK.
You don't think she's going to be upset?
Heartbroken. I think she will be, Sir.
How that make you feel? No different, Sir.
Yeah. No, I'm.
Yeah, I quit smoking because I was.
I can't. I'm tired of doing myself.
I was tasting stuff that. You're, I'm about to get ready
to start doing some the paperwork and you know, we've
been together since about 3:00 this morning and, and you've, I
think you've been honest with me.
I think you've told me just straight up right out of the
book on what? Happened.
Yes, Sir. And you know, I think you, thank
you pretty much was right on cue on everything you told me.
Yes, Sir, the. Only the only thing I caught you
in was the WD40 Cam. I hope to keep him out of it,
Sir. And I appreciate that, but you
know, you've done a terrible thing tonight.
Yes, Sir. You killed a young man.
Yes, Sir. Just for the simple fact of I
guess much pretty much this is safe for you.
Yes, Sir. And what do you think should
happen to you? Death sentence, Sir.
And why do you think you deserved a death sentence?
An eye for an eye, Sir. Do you breathe an eye for an
eye? Yes, Sir.
All right, we'll be getting you taken out to the jail here
shortly, OK? Yes, Sir.
Yeah. Hey there.
I heard one more question. Just this ain't got nothing to
do with this. You know the young man that you
shot cell phone number? No, Sir.
And so but when he fell on the ditch and you dropped the phone,
it fell down in the ditch by the body.
I believe so, Sir. Yeah.
Can you tell what kind of phone it was?
An iPhone, Sir. It had a outside casing around
it, but not a too thick of one. OK.
What color was it? Black.
You sit around the face down. That's when.
You find it? Yes, Sir.
Yeah. What?
Do one more thing for me. Just a history deal.
Would you just fill that out for me?
Fishing name, average city phone numbers and stuff like that.
All right, Just kind of. None.
I. I got some questions about this
paperwork, about what I didn't know what to put under
investigator date, armed hair color, or the bottom line.
Oh, OK, that's not a good deal. I'll feel that.
Well, I didn't even know if that was hair color or I thought it
might be hair length, hair color, both.
I didn't know. I don't.
Like the color? OK, that's good.
Maybe we just needed your general information on name and
all that. Anyway, I'll be here.