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Father had six brothers and a 
sister, but as far as he was an 

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only child, My mom's family. 
She's got. 

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A big family had a real close 
cousin and in the beginning of 

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the year someone gave her some 
drugs that they shouldn't have 

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and she had some heart condition
and she went to sleep and they 

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were low financial means and she
went to sleep. 

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With her daughter. 
The bed and passed in her sleep 

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and her daughter woke up and 
found her and that's something 

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her daughter's going to live 
with with for the rest rest of 

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her life. 
And you know, so I mean, I the 

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drug dealer, the drug thing, it 
just, you know. 

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It it digs in and yell out, 
yeah, I've seen too many people 

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go down that path. 
I don't like the junkies, but I 

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can understand the junkies, the 
dealer, the dealer's only there 

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for one thing. 
The that that's the problem that

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I have. 
I would have been OK if you guys

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would, just like I would never 
have pulled a wet on you guys. 

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And the force she does to shoot 
me isn't cool either, because 

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you got to live with that. 
I have a good friend that works 

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here that still lives with that 
today. 

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You will second guess yourself 
constantly. 

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Well, he he did because he found
out the gun was uploaded, but he

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had no way of knowing. 
And for me to take myself, it's 

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not hard. 
I mean, you slam and throw it on

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a on a vest somewhere and crush 
the lyrics. 

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You don't die of shitty death, 
but you can do it. 

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But you hurt the people. 
If I did any of that, and I 

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won't, it would probably 'cause 
my mother to have a heart attack

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and die. 
Let's not do that. 

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Let me go back to what you said,
though. 

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What do you want? 
You, you said, you said you. 

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You go ahead, Go ahead. 
The absurdity of that is that if

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you if you did, but you can't, 
but if you did, where am I now? 

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Right now around here, you're 
probably the most recognizable 

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person. 
I mean, I think it's me when you

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put my face on some billboards. 
They're like, hey, no, my face 

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higher up, we need more business
or inside can I? 

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Have another people ask me 
about. 

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Can you hook me up with Rose? 
I'll show you how to turn. 

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We turn that bottom bed into a 
top bed real quick. 

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Oh hell, we'll go get right on 
that. 

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Which part do you want to be in 
Sir? 

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You want a three bed or A2? 
They're just looking. 

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At oh, oh, the the guards, I'm 
on top of the guards and and one

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inmate who just was like, I I 
heard about you. 

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I'm like, OK, you're the real 
estate guy was until about 20 

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minutes ago. 
I went to my license. 

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What but real nice guy, but the 
I've just been out. 

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Just I'm going to let them know 
what the hell they feed them 

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boys with with saw or they put 
like they put like steroids in 

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the in. 
The. 

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Biggest corn fed Damn people. 
And as a matter of fact there. 

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Was a you seen it, You mentioned
Russell Lynch's website earlier.

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You saw on Facebook, we had an 
officer get in trouble for that 

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a year or so ago. 
Then he was let go. 

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OK, I. 
Wouldn't want to be unserious. 

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But yeah, we did. 
So they test them for that. 

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They they work out, they have to
work. 

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I mean, they go through PT like 
our SWAT guys. 

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Yeah, they go through PT like 
crazy and they lift weights and 

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they have to go through PT like 
crazy. 

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Oh, I'm, I'm impressed. 
I'm not bad. 

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I was like, they're all tall as 
hell. 

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Oh, I. 
Know I'm like that's the one. 

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Thing I wish I had was like, 
like my, my 15 year old. 

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He's already taller than me. 
I'm 59 and the happiest 511. 

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I'm like really dude? 
He he looked at me. 

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I'm like, listen here little 
man. 

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Really. 
He goes, he goes, he'll call me.

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He goes Boo, Boo. 
I said listen here. 

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Boo. 
Boo. 

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And finally, because he knows 
he's from kids, he's got a old 

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soul, but he knows the 
difference between joking around

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bad. 
And. 

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Even if I'm used to that, just 
that changing the tone, it's a 

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serious dad, you know? 
And once that tone changes, you 

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know he knows. 
You know I'm stopped. 

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Yeah. 
And he knows that, you know. 

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That dad will straighten him 
out, but dad will also. 

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It's like the biggest dragon. 
See, my dad never would do that,

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really. 
My dad was the dragon. 

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Really. 
My dad took me to office parks 

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while he would steal half the 
shake his hands on and they want

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me to help him load truck and 
deal with his nonsense and then 

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would tell me that if I got into
a fight if I didn't win. 

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You're not my son. 
Don't come home. 

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But then if I get into a fight I
want the kids ass. 

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I went too far. 
I'm getting my ass because I 

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went too far. 
Do I go win? 

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My son got in trouble while back
for helping defend a kid on the 

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bus one time. 
Little bitty got hit the same 

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age with this. 
Like I said, my son's real tall 

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and it's kind of cute. 
The they have for some reason, I

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don't know why they do it. 
They have the, they have the 

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6th, 7th, 8th and 9th graders 
from different schools all 

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riding on the same bus. 
And he's back there and he's got

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his headphones on and. 
Some of the older. 

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Kids are messing with him and 
the other little guy. 

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And like I said, he's, he's 
short, he's a little guy. 

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Looks like he belonged in like 
the 5th grade or something. 

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He's so little and these older 
kids are picking on bullying. 

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And my son's sitting there and 
he looks over. 

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He says now just leave him 
alone. 

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Just just leave him alone, dude.
And my son got into got attacked

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by our family dog who was a 
bulldog, a bullmastiff mix and 

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it was an accident. 
My wife would give him deservers

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little pop on the cheek and he 
didn't like it. 

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And he? 
Would feel like this and snap 

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and he. 
My son was home sick one day and

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he thought he was going to do it
so he jumped up on the bed. 

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Excuse me? 
The dog thought he was going to 

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do it. 
The dog turned like that and 

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when he did he caught him right 
here with the Fang and ripped 

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his whole lip off. 
Oh jeez. 

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So they have it stitched on. 
So my son's claim to fame is if 

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I can take on a Pitbull and 
whim, what do you think I'm 

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going to do to you? 
So here the guy, the kid. 

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He said just just leave. 
Me alone man, just leave me 

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alone. 
The kid goes leans up across 

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there and he goes, how about I 
make you my and he goes, 

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everybody goes, you better leave
him alone. 

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His dad's a cop and he goes. 
The guy goes I don't care if his

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dad's a cop and he leans across 
there he goes, how about I just 

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make you my little bitch, my son
wind up to him. 

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He says how about you sit back 
down before you get your ass 

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kicked? 
In front of everybody. 

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Here. 
He just looked at him like that.

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He's like, and I taught my son 
at that point in a situation, 

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don't say anything else because 
the next person that speaks 

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loses. 
You lose all credibility. 

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If you talk. 
They teach you that in sales, 

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you're at that closing point, 
don't talk. 

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That's action time. 
You know, at that point, if that

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kid makes a move, you're in fear
for your safety. 

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You have the right to defend 
yourself. 

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He ended up getting put off the 
bus. 

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So I go down to the school. 
We had a word of prayer with the

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principal and he was back on the
bus. 

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You know, I said. 
He's, he's defending, you know, 

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a smaller kid that's being 
bullied. 

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He doesn't, you know? 
That's what he's supposed to do,

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you know? 
You, you protect the weak, you 

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know? 
I want to. 

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Ask. 
You. 

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To answer your questions. 
Want. 

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To be the mom. 
The mom say again, what do you 

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mean? 
The bike shop Because the mom. 

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Well. 
Again, what do you want to have 

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to happen? 
I don't know. 

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Because you made this comment to
me and sorry to interrupt, but 

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you made this comment to me and 
I believe you. 

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You didn't do right and I 
believe you and I talked to the 

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solicitor about that and and I 
told him what you told me he 

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said. 
I said he's, he's made the 

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comment and the solicitor, he'll
plead to everything, but he's 

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not pleading the rape because he
didn't do it right. 

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I said. 
He told me that he's admitted to

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everything he's done. 
He's willing to take the 

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responsibility for it, but he 
will not take responsibility as 

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to the kidnapping, I said, but 
he will not take responsibility 

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for the rape because he did not 
rape her that sometime they had 

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sex. 
It was consensual. 

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She had the choice and she 
actually initiated it at times. 

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And he said, OK, I said, so 
we're going to need to 

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reinterview her and we're 
setting that up. 

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We're going to do that this 
week. 

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And I told him, I said I, I gave
him my word that we would 

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reinterviewed him. 
And I want or we want to 

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reinterview her, you know, 
because, yeah, I think it needs 

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to be done. 
And so I can't guarantee where 

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that's going to go, but I don't 
see it, you know? 

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But let's, let's ask you this. 
I got one. 

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One thing I do like to ask you 
before I go further, the FBI 

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has. 
Requested. 

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To talk to you, I don't know if 
it's about the guns. 

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It's it's got, it's got to be 
about the guns because that's 

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the only issue they would have. 
If at some point they want to 

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come talk to you, would you 
mind? 

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Talking to them. 
Oh my. 

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OK, I'll let them know. 
The other thing is could. 

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I get to ride in. 
Their their cop. 

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Car and put lights on probably 
I'm arranging I can arrange a 

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sheriff pick up your mom and 
bring her over here. 

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You know, and he and he, he's 
just go ahead. 

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If it's FBI, don't think they're
going to be interested in the 

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guns. 
They're not going to like the 

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answer. 
Again, it's not going to be 

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that. 
I was expecting ATF. 

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I'm expecting Homeland Security.
They were out there, you know 

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that. 
Yeah, they were out there. 

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Not today we were out there. 
The first day. 

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Cuz they AM. 
When they found all that day, 

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yeah. 
Not terrorists. 

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I would never do anything 
against the interests of the 

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United States. 
I love my country. 

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I like what we do a lot of 
times. 

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I. 
Love my country. 

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They can ask all they want. 
You will not find racial 

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material on my stuff. 
I refer to with my friend called

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my Arian. 
He's a black guy. 

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I don't do the white pride power
crap. 

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No, they're going to ask about 
the weapons because they're so 

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extreme. 
I just had expensive taste and I

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like quality and I actually know
how to operate every single one 

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of them, but they're not going 
to get the spectacular stories 

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they want. 
With that being said, they're 

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apparently I did not know this. 
I knew that the guy had came and

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revoked your broken glasses. 
Apparently an attorney came to 

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see you. 
Who? 

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Who is he? 
I've got his card. 

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He basically with the intern 
part. 

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Well, which let me get back up. 
There's the there's 22 

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attorneys. 
Can we see you? 

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There was the attorney who 
actually showed up to give me my

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letter telling me you're no 
longer a realtor. 

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He's out. 
Then there was an attorney that 

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showed up from the Columbia for.
Shane something, yes. 

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OK, Columbia for what? 
He they well. 

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First they tried to give me a 
public offender, but I make too 

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much money. 
OK. 

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Even though almost everything 
I've got is not liquid right 

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and. 
You actually own property in 

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Spartanburg County, so you don't
qualify the. 

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Thing is, except for a couple of
things, I don't see a need to 

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buy an attorney. 
Dude, I just gave you 77 bodies.

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Well, see, that's the thing I'm 
getting at. 

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He's shown up back at the jail 
again today wanting while we've 

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been here wanting to talk to you
and but he talked to my 

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Lieutenant and didn't know if 
you wanted to talk to him. 

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Sure, he. 
Gave him. 

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Light. 
Do you want to talk to him after

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we do this or after you? 
After, I mean, I'm not sorry, 

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after you come see me tomorrow 
or do you want to talk to him 

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beforehand? 
It's up to you. 

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I mean, it's whichever you want 
to do. 

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I don't. 
Care, I mean. 

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I'm going to I'm. 
Going to use them to where they 

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go to the preliminary stuff. 
The only the only problem I have

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with any of this is I'm not 
going to set Kayla's break. 

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That's not going to that's I'll 
fight all the way. 

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We'll we'll go jury. 
I won't win, but I'll make it 

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extremely extremely costly. 
Why? 

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I think once you reinterview 
her, I think you know you now 

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that you've got her own letters 
and all that, I think you'll be 

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OK. 
Go through the go through the 

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bag, go through the stuff that 
was in, go through the stuff 

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that was in the Conex. 
In her area. 

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And. 
Upstairs there's a dresser 

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drawer, is there not one of the 
Somebody said they found them 

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stuff in a dresser. 
Drawer, yes, Sir. 

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There there's multiples. 
There is a different laundry 

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Connell. 
So I think it's been one for her

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differently. 
The two bottom drawers. 

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The two bottom drawers are the 
white thing that has marrow on 

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top. 
Both of those are her drawers. 

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Both drawers underneath the TV 
are both are her drawers. 

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I'll write this down because 
I'll forget. 

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It both bottom. 
Drawers are the white chest 

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where the things called dresser.
Both of those are hers. 

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With the mirror. 
With the mirror and both of 

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those that are underneath the 
TV, there's one side by side. 

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Both of those have her stuff in 
it. 

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OK. 
She had me get her vibrator, the

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TV, the the DVD player, the MP3 
player, the coloring books. 

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Coloring books. 
Adult coloring books. 

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OK. 
Dude I didn't question, I just 

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it got her to shut up and got 
her to roll over. 

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That led me to something else 
you said The Satanic book. 

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Yeah, what the hell, man? 
I've never let me ask you this. 

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The mattress is up against the 
wall and we did that looking to 

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see if there were any letters in
there. 

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It was a bag. 
Yeah. 

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Did you ever spend the night 
there with her in the bed? 

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Like stay the night. 
You and her in the bed. 

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Overnight. 
Never stay the night. 

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OK. 
We spent a lot of time on the 

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bed. 
She wanted the the, the, the the

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comforter thing that was on the 
floor. 

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That was her idea. 
That was her submissive Kitty 

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bed, her kitten bed. 
Man enter it in all of a sudden 

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I put the collar thing on her. 
And they found me out. 

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They were like what they thought
it was for a dog, you know? 

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Well, now the cage that was up. 
There, that's in pieces. 

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That I built and it was 
originally meant for my dogs. 

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No, I'm talking about the the 
collar, the the metal collar 

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thing you told me about. 
That I ordered off of when the 

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websites delivered and I got it 
because she won't. 

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She requested that as opposed to
me putting the chain around and 

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I got that in one that would 
have fucked. 

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Me. 
Up man I I went that ain't going

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on nobody. 
So it's never been used, but she

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wanted that and then the the the
key bed and she went this whole 

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thing of explained to me that I 
had to give her permission to 

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speak to me give her permission 
to look at me. 

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Dude, I'll do all that control 
shit. 

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You know, I'm like. 
Just. 

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What's going on? 
I don't need all that ass an 

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Ashley Ashley's never had to 
deal with any of that crap, but 

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you know, but. 
You. 

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Get the point? 
I mean, I was embarrassed 

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because she actually keep 
friends. 

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She she keeps, she buys a little
damn operators and then she 

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starts from my side of the damn 
bed. 

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I was like, you know, I don't 
want anything on my side of the 

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bed. 
She's like, why? 

306
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Because if I ever get in 
trouble, I'm karma. 

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I wasn't thinking that shit for 
me. 

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Well, we did. 
Open the doors and we were open 

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the doors. 
And we were. 

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Like oh shit, I was like OK in 
the house and we're at the 

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house. 
I ain't never. 

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But yeah, we had all that. 
And then, yeah, it was just she,

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she, she, she had all the stuff.
She kept asking for this kind of

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stuff. 
I got it and she wanted, it's a 

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big black book about that deep, 
like $23, that damn book. 

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And it's the enchanted sorcerer 
sorcery, some of the shit. 

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It's the how to guide to be a 
witch. 

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Dude. 
I just figured she'd read the 

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damn book and shut the fuck up 
for a while. 

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I. 
Don't understand that. 

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I mean, tell me about basically 
how she wanted to go off Dustin 

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because she she thinks Dustin 
was involved in it. 

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00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,200
Dustin wasn't involved in it. 
The only Dustin's part of of 

324
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anything was that he was a dumb 
kid that I paid cash when he was

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broke to go to the store and 
get. 

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When you say dumb you think he 
had a mental issue or just he 

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was just didn't. 
Maybe he's just an idiot young 

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kid. 
He's an idiot young kid. 

329
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He's not retarded. 
He's he's smart. 

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He's lazy. 
I started getting jobs for 

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years, started getting into real
estate. 

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We didn't read the damn book. 
Real estate is hard. 

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You don't want shit in class. 
You went on the street. 

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00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,600
But. 
You got to do the class 1st, 

335
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which falls into our early 
conversation. 

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But he's just a dumb kid who 
basically he he didn't even know

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who his daddy is. 
His mom doesn't know who his 

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daddy is. 
Yeah, she's a little wild. 

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When she was young. 
He, he basically, I met him one 

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night at Barnes and Noble 15 
years ago in line in terms of 

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how he wanted to be SWAT. 
He wanted pistols and forces. 

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00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,880
I don't know the disrespect that
you ain't got a chance in hell. 

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00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,360
I can live in your eyes and tell
you you got none of that in you.

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Accept. 
It find a good. 

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Career and go, go leave your 
life. 

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00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,440
There's people who need to be 
that way and people who don't 

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need to be that way. 
The world's big. 

348
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,960
You need both got talked to him.
I got him out of a lot of 

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trouble 'cause he just, he never
had any. 

350
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,840
It was me and another guy who 
died. 

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He actually had a you may have 
known Cody. 

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He's sort of the manager of at 
Wild Wings. 

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He had diabetes. 
We didn't know he just died back

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or like that. 
And he mashed his foot down and 

355
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he drove his car on 290 into a 
telephone pole and he died. 

356
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,320
I I heard about this. 
I did hear about this. 

357
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:47,960
Yeah. 
We'll skip. 

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00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:51,120
We'll. 
Tiny guy I I heard about I. 

359
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,520
Heard about the rat I heard 
about. 

360
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,040
Being in the rat, he didn't know
anything about him, but I heard 

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about the rat. 
He had a telephone pole. 

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00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:58,880
He had, he had a diabetic, 
whatever it was, insulin, 

363
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,160
whatever. 
When the shot did that matched 

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00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,640
the gas to the floorboard, he he
only drove 55. 

365
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,480
Or diabetic seizure. 
I'm sorry, he only drove. 55 on 

366
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,440
85 going anywhere with him used 
to drive me bat shit. 

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00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:16,760
I'm like come on it's one of the
God fun pedal I would pull 

368
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,760
beside the road. 
Wait, he tried, he tried me 

369
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,200
batshit 'cause I mean, I'm 85 
miles an hour in in school zone 

370
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,040
and he hit, he, he went to 
shock, mashed to the floor, hit 

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a telephone pole through the 
windshield and hit a car. 

372
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,720
I mean hit, hit a house. 
To this day, I don't know what 

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house. 
I never asked Dustin which one 

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00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:41,080
it was, but me and Cody were the
only two that kind of got him 

375
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out of his early funk. 
And then he didn't know that was

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illegal. 
And then at 1st and then I paid 

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him. 
And then after I had paid him, 

378
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he I kept his car working. 
He needed the money. 

379
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,320
So Cody had no idea that buying 
you the guns was? 

380
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,680
Cody wasn't even alive without 
him. 

381
00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:04,200
Cody was. 
I'm not Cody Dustin. 

382
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,720
Dustin had no idea buying you 
the guns was illegal. 

383
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,280
At first. 
OK. 

384
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,520
He did later, but by the time he
realized it, he'd already done 

385
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,560
enough times that. 
It didn't matter. 

386
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,000
I was like fuck. 
I mean, dude, there's like 10 or

387
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,680
12 suppressors in there and I 
don't know how many. 40 guns, 50

388
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,560
guns. 
I mean, it's kind of like 

389
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Pokémon. 
God, I have them all. 

390
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,080
Yeah. 
And then I would take them and I

391
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:41,320
would tweak them. 
Sig NPX became an SBR, the PTR 

392
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:50,280
became an SBR, the 516 became an
SPR, anything that was rifle 

393
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,200
wise even got refined and 
polished and upgraded to for 

394
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,440
distance and everything short 
got upgraded for dependability 

395
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,440
and fire control. 
Well, let me ask you this real 

396
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,240
quick. 
So we're going to head to head 

397
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,320
back over this attorney 
contacted my Lieutenant, OK. 

398
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,600
But my Lieutenant told me to let
you know because we promised 

399
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,000
this attorney that we would let 
you know. 

400
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,000
Do you want this attorney to 
contact you? 

401
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,520
Do you want to contact this 
attorney? 

402
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,400
He. 
Can contact me? 

403
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,920
He can contact you, come to the 
jail and see you. 

404
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,320
Do you want to come back and see
me tomorrow first, or do you 

405
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,000
want to talk to him? 
Or do you want us to give him a 

406
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,720
time to come see you or 
whatever? 

407
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,400
Whatever you want to do, 
whatever is convenient. 

408
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,400
Yeah, I wouldn't mind talking 
to. 

409
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,960
Him OK. 
It's whatever your schedules 

410
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,600
are. 
I mean, I know you need to talk 

411
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,480
to me. 
Tomorrow so I. 

412
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,920
Mean the ball's in your court 
because you're the one if you 

413
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,280
want. 
Me to talk to him first, make it

414
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,120
easy and then come see me. 
It's no, I mean, it's it's it's 

415
00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:01,600
whatever you want, OK. 
If you want to talk to me first 

416
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,760
tomorrow, that's your choice. 
If you want to talk to him first

417
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,520
tomorrow, that's your choice. 
Let. 

418
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,520
Me. 
Talk to him first. 

419
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,160
I don't know what he's going to 
say, but I'll talk to him first 

420
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,400
anyhow. 
It's not going to make any 

421
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,440
difference. 
To answer your question earlier,

422
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,160
I don't know what I want. 
The fact is, it'd be nice to 

423
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,760
just be over. 
With but I. 

424
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,640
Don't want to spend my life in a
box, but I don't have a choice. 

425
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,080
But if I go to death row, it's 
going to absolutely, it's going 

426
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,040
to kill people, it's absolutely 
going to crush them. 

427
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,200
If I got to just bite the bullet
and rot it out, I'll rot it out.

428
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,560
What else do you? 
Do now? 

429
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,560
You said you have this 
attorney's card, right? 

430
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,280
I do, but I'm not allowed to 
make any phone calls. 

431
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,240
OK. 
So OK, we were planning on 

432
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:04,400
coming and getting you tomorrow 
mid morning, OK, but and doing 

433
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,000
getting all this squared away 
tomorrow, mid morning, 

434
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,400
afternoon, sometime like that. 
So it's your choice. 

435
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,760
Do you want to talk to him 
before we do, Before I come and 

436
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,720
get you to talk to you? 
Or. 

437
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,320
How do you want to do that? 
If he can get up, get up here in

438
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,040
the morning, that's fine. 
That way we got more time to 

439
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,240
deal with this and all this 
stuff because I got to write 

440
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,600
those checks and you got to get 
checked, folks. 

441
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,760
What time do you want me to tell
him to come see you? 

442
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,360
Anytime the morning work OK my 
my schedule is is valuable. 

443
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,480
OK, so so you're telling me and 
I have to do this for legal 

444
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:39,960
reasons. 
I know. 

445
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,200
So you're telling me after you 
talk to him, you want me to come

446
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,040
get you so you can come back 
over here? 

447
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,000
Yes. 
And talk to me. 

448
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:49,000
Yes, Sir. 
OK. 

449
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,240
It just gets him out of the way.
He's going to tell me the same 

450
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,000
man come in last time. 
What did he tell you? 

451
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,080
I mean, you don't have to tell 
me, but I'm really I'm. 

452
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,200
Like really, is this coming? 
What the hell is difference? 

453
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,680
You can't tell me. 
Anything. 

454
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,720
I mean, the fact is, I mean 
first they tell me the. 

455
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,360
The the the. 
The what do you call it? 

456
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:15,720
The they can't give me a public 
offender because I have too 

457
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,720
much, too much assets. 
But then they tell me, but I'm 

458
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,280
not such a high priority case 
that all of a sudden we might be

459
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,000
able to bypass some of this, 
which is legalese for I want my 

460
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,240
name on that case somehow, 
somehow, because that would give

461
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,800
me some notoriety. 
Hell, I imagine somebody in 

462
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,880
prison town would do it for free
to get the game on the case at 

463
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,560
this point after today. 
Yeah, I I wouldn't be surprised.

464
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,960
Preliminary hearing their 
chance, their chance to stand up

465
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,800
and me say absolutely nothing 
and go through procedure. 

466
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,360
Dude, I wrote up. 
I wrote out a confession. 

467
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,040
What? 
What the heck are you going to 

468
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,880
get on preliminary? 
Oh we'll get that charge toss 

469
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,160
out bro. 
I've got like 8 more coming. 

470
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,200
But but I mean, in retrospect, 
really the only one you're 

471
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,360
you're issues with is the right,
Yeah. 

472
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,800
Being honest here, I gave you 
the four. 

473
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,760
I couldn't shut the hell up. 
Yeah, yeah, it's. 

474
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,840
And that's probably the one I'm 
going to fry on. 

475
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:28,480
I'm going to believe that damn 
thing. 

476
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:29,680
What? 
Suck. 

477
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:36,800
You're like a sausage. 
Smell my meat, bitches. 

478
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,200
That's right. 
Inhale. 

479
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,680
Because my last thing is I'm 
inside of all of you. 

480
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:50,240
You guys always laugh man. 
Yeah, you do. 

481
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,520
I mean, you do. 
You got to go out your own way. 

482
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,840
I don't know if I'm going to do 
the digs, digs out for Grammy or

483
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,680
I'm going to do the can I, he's 
a wife walk. 

484
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,000
But I mean, you know, at that 
point, I mean, the one I'm 

485
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,760
probably going to get nailed on 
is the bike shop. 

486
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,480
What's his name? 
Carver Charlie. 

487
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,360
Charlie's not. 
Sane. 

488
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,000
They want to make him. 
Out to be a sane right now they 

489
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:35,640
do, but Kayla's dangerous. 
Kayla has before asked me to 

490
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,760
beat up people for her or use my
resources, which she thinks my 

491
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,800
resources are. 
Go get someone killed. 

492
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,400
Really. 
Yeah, with people that she 

493
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,480
doesn't like. 
A you have a Have you do or have

494
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,080
you hired somebody to do it? 
Yes. 

495
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,320
Both, yes. 
OK. 

496
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:54,920
I can't read my Facebook and 
maybe on there. 

497
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:57,480
Really. 
Yes. 

498
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,280
How long ago is this? 
You'll have. 

499
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,120
Well I blocked her after all 
this shit so they wouldn't know 

500
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,440
because I mean literally. 
We have her Facebook page. 

501
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,400
Then you have it. 
OK. 

502
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,200
It'll take you for every damn 
day to go through it. 

503
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,080
OK, but. 
Go back to the messages. 

504
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,040
Really. 
In her phone messages, she 

505
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,840
supposedly had money in her car 
and the guy took her money, but 

506
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,520
that's bullshit. 
And then she wanted me to either

507
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,280
use my resources to either have 
him killed or beat up. 

508
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,480
I believe he was beat up, but 
she wanted me to use my 

509
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,400
resources to have him have him 
off or go do it. 

510
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,560
Kayla uses that thing between 
her legs to get dumb asses to go

511
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,080
do stupid shit, and that's what 
I'm trying to say, that she's 

512
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,640
going to use that to get Dustin 
hurt. 

513
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,000
OK, what was this attorney's 
name? 

514
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,600
Do you remember? 
Let me, let me. 

515
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,160
Immediately take my picture. 
No, no, I'm, I'm calling my 

516
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:16,510
boss. 
Hey, what is this attorney's 

517
00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:25,040
name? 
Steve Gorsham, OK, he says he 

518
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,120
has his business card. 
He has no way to contact him, 

519
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:37,600
though he does want to talk to 
him. 

520
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,000
Not for anything, just to help 
him with the pulmonary stuff. 

521
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:55,960
Like he goes. 
OK, I got you. 

522
00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:11,900
There's another call. 
OK, out of Greenville. 

523
00:31:21,790 --> 00:31:26,870
OK, OK, well, I'll explain this 
to him. 

524
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:30,110
So this guy that showed up last 
Friday, is it indigent defense? 

525
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,520
Because he he did mention 
something to me about the guy 

526
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,960
saying he wouldn't qualify for a
public defender because he owned

527
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:54,000
property. 
OK, yes, but they're not going 

528
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,040
to like what he has to say and 
he's they're not going to, he's 

529
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,360
not going to talk to him very 
much. 

530
00:32:29,400 --> 00:33:10,420
I. 
OK. 

531
00:33:34,480 --> 00:34:00,890
All. 
Right, we're fixing to transport

532
00:34:00,890 --> 00:34:02,210
it back over. 
Then we got down. 

533
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:07,410
Yeah, he can. 
He can come see him tomorrow 

534
00:34:07,410 --> 00:34:11,320
morning and then he told me that
he still wants me to come pick 

535
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,480
him up tomorrow afternoon and 
come back over. 

536
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:19,360
And talk to me. 
OK, Yeah. 

537
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,280
All right. 
He's going to call the attorney.

538
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,480
He's an indigent. 
What's the point? 

539
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,960
Well, and if you want me. 
To call him back and tell him. 

540
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,360
Not to. 
I will. 

541
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,160
There's also an attorney from 
Greenville that left his card at

542
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,800
the front desk of the jail for 
you. 

543
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,560
He is, I don't know who he is, 
it's on a legal pad. 

544
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,440
And he left his card for you at 
the jail. 

545
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:29,800
But this attorney from Columbia,
he is not a public defender, but

546
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,440
he's an indigent attorney. 
OK, but he. 

547
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,560
Represents indigent people and I
think that's why he made that 

548
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,200
comment to you. 
You made a comment to me that he

549
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,880
said you didn't. 
Qualify. 

550
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,720
For a public defender. 
But there's a way he's around 

551
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,120
that or something. 
There are, but here's the point.

552
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,400
Why? 
I mean, I'll speak to him, but 

553
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,640
here's the thing, Todd, you 
ain't going to talk to nobody. 

554
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,920
You don't want to. 
Yeah, you know, I mean, if you 

555
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,960
want me to. 
I mean, I don't mind talking to 

556
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,640
him, but I mean I don't get him 
talking to you guys. 

557
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:04,080
I I I mean I. 
But I don't get OK, I gave you 

558
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,520
4, I gave you 4 bodies, I gave 
you 4. 

559
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,080
I can't remake. 
That's done. 

560
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,520
I understand that you kept your 
promise. 

561
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,280
I kept my promise. 
You can't renege. 

562
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,360
It's already been done. 
Understand. 

563
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,440
I showed you where two other 
bodies are. 

564
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,920
Didn't have to mention if I 
hadn't said nothing, because 

565
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,120
what's on top of them? 
You guys, your dogs just ain't 

566
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:41,440
on board. 
Even if I didn't, I still got a 

567
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,920
kidnapping charge that ain't 
going nowhere. 

568
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,120
I still got a a murderer in the 
back pasture that's not going 

569
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,520
anywhere. 
And Ozzy was on 1/2 off sale. 

570
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:53,640
But. 
The. 

571
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,280
What half off sale? 
Believe me, buy 1 foot, get it 

572
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:05,560
on, foot off. 
What am? 

573
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,520
I saying. 
Hello again, Todd. 

574
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,000
You don't have to talk to 
anybody. 

575
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,560
I don't have to. 
I don't talk to you either. 

576
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,960
But but. 
Yeah, OK. 

577
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,120
If you. 
Want he's not sure he wants, 

578
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,760
he's not sure he wants to talk 
to me. 

579
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,800
He said if he's an engine at 
large, he said there's no reason

580
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:32,540
for him to talk to him. 
He, I mean, that's the thing. 

581
00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:36,220
If he he I think about the 
business card being left by the 

582
00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:40,740
other attorney from Gringle and 
he said he has no problem 

583
00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:43,980
talking to him and, and but he 
said as far as this engine that 

584
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:47,640
an attorney does and he says 
there is no reason for him, he 

585
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,680
said because he's not imaging. 
Do you want my? 

586
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,920
Lieutenant to call him back and 
tell him. 

587
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:54,320
No. 
Or do. 

588
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,760
You want me to tell him you'll 
talk to him? 

589
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,480
Just just have him leave his 
card and I'll OK, he said. 

590
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,280
He, he, he. 
He this is the guy, you already 

591
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,280
have his card. 
OK. 

592
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,200
This is the guy that came to see
you Friday. 

593
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,480
Haven't just come to see you 
later, haven't come to me 

594
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,120
afterwards. 
What day would you like him to 

595
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,560
come see you? 
I don't care. 

596
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,880
Tomorrow, late, tomorrow, 
Tuesday, I don't care. 

597
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,520
I'm not going anywhere. 
I'll do that. 

598
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:30,080
I'll do that. 
OK, OK, whatever. 

599
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,520
This is what he's going to do. 
He's going to text me the 

600
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,440
attorney's contact information 
so that you can call him. 

601
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,560
I'm going to let the attorney 
know that I'm in here with you 

602
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,120
and you can tell him if you want
to talk to him or when you want 

603
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,560
to talk to him. 
You know what I'm saying? 

604
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,280
So that way you know you're. 
Protected. 

605
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,000
Your, your rights are protected.
And if you want to see him after

606
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,280
you talk to me, if you want to 
see him down the road, whatever 

607
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,640
you want to do, you know, 
because the thing about it is, 

608
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,080
like you said, they're cops in a
little bit are bad. 

609
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,320
They're cops in a little bit are
good. 

610
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,120
I should. 
Not like you I. 

611
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,720
Should want to know you to the 
cross, you know, but I'm. 

612
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,440
Going there anywhere? 
Well. 

613
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,080
Let's not that. 
But yeah, I get it. 

614
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,880
I want to do the right. 
Thing for you, I want to make 

615
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,960
sure the right thing is done for
you and by you. 

616
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,600
I don't do this job just to put 
people in jail and do stuff like

617
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,200
that. 
I do this job because that's the

618
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,360
way I want to be at. 
The end of the day, like I said,

619
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,920
they have two choices. 
There's two choices here. 

620
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,240
There's three. 
I'm not going home. 

621
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,960
There's two choices. 
OK. 

622
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:56,200
Now I'm going to let him know 
that I'm in here and that and 

623
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,280
you can tell me when you want to
see him, whatever you want, you 

624
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:11,240
know. 
Hi, Shane. 

625
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:13,400
Hi, Shane. 
My name is Tom Clark. 

626
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,520
I'm an investigator with the 
Spartanburg County Sheriff's 

627
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,200
Office. 
Yeah, Lieutenant William Gary 

628
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,880
gave me your information. 
Yeah. 

629
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,200
What's your last name? 
Shane. 

630
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:31,360
Gorenson, Gor. 
OK, G ORANSON. 

631
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,600
OK, I'm sitting here with Mr. 
Colvett. 

632
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,480
Yeah. 
You left your card with him? 

633
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,360
Yeah, OK. 
And you apparently while we were

634
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,600
talking to him today, you came 
back to see him? 

635
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,840
Yes, I came by today, Yeah. 
OK. 

636
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,680
And you were wanting to talk to 
him again. 

637
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,680
Correct. 
Yes, OK. 

638
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,560
He's. 
Going to talk to you, right? 

639
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:02,240
Now and let you know what his 
decision is about. 

640
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,640
Whether or not he wants to talk 
to. 

641
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,640
You or when he wants to talk to 
you. 

642
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,280
OK and I'm I'm still in the 
room, so I just want to make 

643
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,920
sure you need that OK, because 
we're in an interview room all. 

644
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,360
Right. 
Speakerphone, yes. 

645
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:20,600
Sir, he's right here. 
Yes, Sir, I understand. 

646
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,200
You want to speak to me? 
Are you the gentleman I spoke to

647
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:23,840
the other day? 
Yeah. 

648
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:29,720
OK, OK. 
You want to come see me tomorrow

649
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:32,560
or Tuesday or what? 
Whatever. 

650
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,280
Whatever. 
Spartanburg right now. 

651
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,120
Yes, Sir. 
But if? 

652
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,680
We need to do it another day. 
We can do it another day. 

653
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,560
I have the power of attorney 
form for you. 

654
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:50,440
OK. 
Yeah, I need that. 

655
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,440
And you know, Yes, Sir, I would 
just, I would prefer to at least

656
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,600
get back to you tonight. 
So. 

657
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,320
You can get that. 
Done. 

658
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,520
But. 
You know, whatever you want. 

659
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,360
To do it's fine. 
I'm just telling you I'm here. 

660
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,000
For you, I'm here to help you. 
And I appreciate that for my 

661
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,920
help and I appreciate that I 
don't know what time it is, but 

662
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,160
how long are you going to be 
there? 

663
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,520
In Spartanburg. 
Yes, Sir. 

664
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,480
How long on your clock, buddy? 
I'm here for you. 

665
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,040
How long is this going to take? 
Perfection. 

666
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,920
Leave. 
Yeah. 

667
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,800
I can see you in, in, in when? 
When they get me back over that.

668
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,760
That's fine. 
OK. 

669
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:34,760
Thank you. 
OK. 

670
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,960
Thank you. 
See you soon. 

671
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:47,520
I'm sorry. 
Now I want to let you know this.

672
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,160
If you sign papers with him and 
he becomes your attorney, OK? 

673
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,960
OK. 
In any capacity, before you can 

674
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,880
talk to me again, you have to 
send a letter through the kiosk 

675
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,440
at the jail before you can talk 
to me anymore. 

676
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,360
If he becomes your attorney on 
record for this, OK? 

677
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,120
I'm just making you aware of 
that. 

678
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,960
I can't just come over and get 
you like we we talked about. 

679
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,200
If he becomes your attorney, he 
becomes your attorney on record 

680
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,440
for this situation, then you 
will have to request me, OK, 

681
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,920
through that they have that 
kiosk that you need. 

682
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:28,800
You have to. 
They have. 

683
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,840
Want me anywhere near it? 
Well, you that you tell them you

684
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,040
can tell them. 
I want to request to talk to 

685
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,320
detective. 
Clark through the kiosk. 

686
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:43,400
And they will let you do that if
you hire him as or if you I. 

687
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,960
Wasn't planning to hire him, I 
thought. 

688
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,560
I'm taking my taking my piece of
paper. 

689
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,520
And you can explain that to him.
That's your right. 

690
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,880
You, you know, and that's why 
you know, you know, we're 

691
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,880
recorded here and you know all 
that. 

692
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,280
Other than the fact of notoriety
for them because it's not for 

693
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,320
me. 
What? 

694
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,000
Why do I? 
Why is everybody suddenly from 

695
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,600
first your lady came down at the
at the Holden cell and then 

696
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,840
informed me that you got 
property, you can't have 

697
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,080
anything. 
But then why are you even here? 

698
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,320
Well, what she's a public 
defender and they do that for 

699
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:22,280
for general sessions charges 
most times, a lot of times in 

700
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,800
in, in court, OK. 
And it may have just been 

701
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,560
because they found out what the 
charges were. 

702
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,320
Well, that was just the 
kidnapping. 

703
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,680
Right. 
That got escalated. 

704
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,760
Yeah, so. 
Based the public. 

705
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,280
Defenders off center over. 
OK, OK, so that's what that was.

706
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,920
And, and a lot of times there'll
be a public defender show up to 

707
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,880
talk to people. 
As far as him, I don't know who 

708
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,480
he is. 
I've never heard of him before. 

709
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:54,040
He's part of another group in 
Columbia that deals with, once 

710
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,480
again, indigent. 
But it is. 

711
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,120
They may be able to weigh 
certain things. 

712
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,600
Whenever you want to weigh 
something, there's a reason 

713
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,560
you're not doing it, 'cause you 
like me, you're waving it for a 

714
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,440
reason. 
I don't understand the purpose. 

715
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,960
When he's with the plenary 
thing, you know we get to go 

716
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,440
over policy. 
Over. 

717
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,000
Like policy, procedure. 
I can't even speak at it. 

718
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:21,920
They said the attorney can 
speak. 

719
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,600
I get to stand there and look 
stupid for a while. 

720
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,160
You talking about your 
preliminary hearing? 

721
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,360
Yes, Sir. 
And they basically go over 

722
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,560
procedures of what, you know, 
the officers should have done. 

723
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,720
They should have done. 
At no time is it going to throw.

724
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,440
There's not going to be some TV,
TV show of all the way. 

725
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,320
Mess up your seat. 
We got to throw all this shit 

726
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,440
out. 
The bodies don't count. 

727
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Well, this is the thing. 
At the end of the day, you can 

728
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,960
do the power of returning with 
or without an attorney. 

729
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:53,520
Yeah, I'm going to get the 
document get. 

730
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,040
Get my document. 
You know you can, you can, you 

731
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,720
can have him be your attorney. 
You cannot have him be your 

732
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,320
attorney that that is completely
up to you. 

733
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,160
Well. 
Right now I don't even know him,

734
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,960
but what I what I want is the 
document. 

735
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,520
That's all I want. 
Well, I just I just want to make

736
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,160
sure that you understand that I 
made you a promise at the 

737
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,960
beginning that I was always 
going to be honest with you yes 

738
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,760
and I was always going to be 
upfront with you we're. 

739
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,880
Fine. 
And so that's why I, I did that,

740
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,080
you know, and I told you about 
the other attorney that left his

741
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,640
business card. 
And like you said earlier, you, 

742
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,920
I have a friend who's an 
attorney and, and they're like 

743
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,600
that sometimes, you know, I, I 
don't know, you know, I think 

744
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,440
you may be right. 
And for today, it's like I I 

745
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,120
know a gentleman that's in 
Arizona. 

746
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:48,800
His birth name is Jesse James. 
The attorney was willing to take

747
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,920
his case. 
Go ahead with a dumb ass, just 

748
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,120
call his name 'cause his name. 
So he could. 

749
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,040
Put it on his advertisement. 
I got Jesse James off and he 

750
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:04,400
didn't. 
But it's not a. 

751
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,400
Backfire on him, huh? 
But I mean, I don't get the 

752
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,360
point. 
I mean, and OK, I get the bike 

753
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,160
shop thing. 
Yes, you you people want to have

754
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,040
the name involved because it's a
national case now. 

755
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,520
Now all of a sudden you have a 
realtor who was a couple days 

756
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,960
ago worth a shit load of money 
who suddenly went out and all of

757
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,920
a sudden you're finding bodies 
and bodies and bodies. 

758
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:28,720
A girl who gets caught in a, in 
a, in a, in a conex. 

759
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,960
When you all find out the real 
truth about that part, that's 

760
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,640
going to be interesting. 
About. 

761
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:36,920
Kayla, Kayla. 
Yeah. 

762
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,400
Yeah. 
I think, I think you're going to

763
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,040
find the the you're going to 
find some different things 

764
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,600
there. 
It's just the, the well, biggest

765
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,920
thing right now is I want, you 
know, him and I are both of the 

766
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,520
same line and as the sheriff 
are, you know, and as the 

767
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:59,120
sheriff told you when he prayed 
with you, we do everything above

768
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,920
board. 
We have a saying we do it the 

769
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,120
right way. 
And so that's why I wanted to 

770
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,240
make that clear. 
I did too. 

771
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:10,080
He said get a gun. 
Shit, did you just move right 

772
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:15,560
into that? 
Wait a minute, wait a minute. 

773
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,360
He. 
Told me it's just fault. 

774
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,920
It's just fault. 
Oh, and I do know why the FBI 

775
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,920
wants to talk to you. 
Yes, Sir, they don't care. 

776
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,120
About the I don't. 
It's my understanding they don't

777
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,440
care about the guns. 
Really. 

778
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:27,600
No. 
What do they want? 

779
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,520
They don't learn from you. 
You remember? 

780
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,240
Do you remember the other day 
when we were sitting? 

781
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:33,840
There no, Sir. 
You remember. 

782
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,000
When? 
We were sitting there talking 

783
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,800
about Serial, the Serial stuff. 
Oh shit man, that's that shit's 

784
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,720
real. 
Well. 

785
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:42,920
Let's hear about them. 
Want to bring them here? 

786
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,080
They, that's my understanding. 
They want to learn from you. 

787
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,600
And I'm, I'm going to tell you 
this and, and this is no joke. 

788
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,720
You're a very interesting 
person. 

789
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:59,080
You are a very intelligent 
person and your philosophies OK.

790
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,360
Or unusual. 
They're not, though. 

791
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,800
They're not. 
They are for this side of the 

792
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:09,760
fence. 
Well, they're not unusual, but 

793
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,200
they're extreme. 
Does that make sense to you? 

794
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,480
Yes, Sir. 
OK, So I, I, I I think they're 

795
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,240
interested in that. 
OK. 

796
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:20,440
And and then they really want. 
It's my understanding they won't

797
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,720
learn from you. 
I don't mind talking to them. 

798
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,680
Believe it or not, after 
speaking to the two of you, I'm 

799
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,920
kind of hoping that they don't 
give me death sentence, just 

800
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,440
they don't give me a lot of 
licenses. 

801
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,120
Who's? 
Going to be on it. 

802
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,440
I'll try to work them out, you 
know? 

803
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:42,240
If you spend a lot of the. 
Time, a lot of time, you know, 

804
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,280
like I said, my mom was like, 
she got upset when I when I 

805
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,960
mentioned that she got very 
upset actually. 

806
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,160
Mentioned what? 
The the journey actually markups

807
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:52,960
earlier too. 
Yeah, don't do that. 

808
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,640
Don't do that. 
Well, no, don't do that because 

809
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:57,840
I don't like, you know, man, I 
told you about my friend. 

810
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:03,440
And yeah, and the reason why I 
don't is it it it would, it 

811
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,040
would, it would totally mess 
with so many people. 

812
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,080
But my biggest thing at this 
point is not hurting anybody 

813
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,720
else. 
It's closing when I can and 

814
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:17,600
helping who I can. 
And if I can help the FBI and do

815
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,120
their thing, I don't mind. 
Hell, it might be kind of fun. 

816
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,840
Maybe the trip to Quantico? 
Oh, don't tease me. 

817
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,600
Godfather they took. 
I actually didn't have. 

818
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,160
I don't really watch this. 
Movie. 

819
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,800
Yeah, they took. 
I don't watch TV at all. 

820
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,360
But I can't. 
Remember. 

821
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,440
But I called that right Glen in 
AI had it. 

822
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,080
Too I, I I what's? 
The. 

823
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,200
Regular guy's name Abraham. 
Abe had to. 

824
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,680
I had a. 
But I didn't have Glenn when he 

825
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:55,920
hate Glenn. 
I almost died. 

826
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,160
I was like, Oh my gosh, but do 
you? 

827
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,320
Know why a excuse the language 
but he I fucked him. 

828
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,640
Yeah, absolutely. 
He bowed up. 

829
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,840
Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

830
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,480
And looked at him like. 
Yeah. 

831
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,680
He had to keep control. 
Yeah, he had to. 

832
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:09,920
There was no way. 
That man. 

833
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,960
Show the dominance. 
There was no way he was coming 

834
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,880
out of that, I tell you what. 
I've lost a lot of respect. 

835
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,080
For in that show because my my. 
Preacher at church said I don't 

836
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,080
like Rick. 
My my preacher at church said 

837
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,600
you should take things that your
spouse is interested in, even if

838
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,920
you're not. 
You should try. 

839
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,880
Them and enjoy them with them to
to kind of be part of the things

840
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,240
that they like. 
So I I never watched they're. 

841
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:39,040
So bad they're. 
My friend, what's the question? 

842
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,400
But the the The funny thing last
night started watching this show

843
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,880
and I didn't think I would ever 
like this show. 

844
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,480
And I actually. 
Like this show and the one 

845
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:53,520
person that I think is an 
absolute plus, he is Rick. 

846
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,200
I don't like Rick. 
I'm like. 

847
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,200
Are you kidding? 
1. 

848
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,440
Minute he's killing people and 
then the next minute when he's 

849
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,080
losing, let's. 
Talk. 

850
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,040
Let's talk. 
Wait. 

851
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,480
A minute. 
You're. 

852
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:04,760
Killing people and then you 
want. 

853
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,080
To talk. 
I had my friends tell me that I 

854
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,120
didn't like him because he was a
cop. 

855
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,000
I'm like, you don't really know 
me that well. 

856
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,520
You don't, but that's what you 
did. 

857
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,160
Time. 
I've never blamed the cops for 

858
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,520
me being in there. 
I blamed me for being in. 

859
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,720
There I. 
Blame my dad for assisting it, 

860
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:25,080
but I blamed me. 
I didn't blame cops for that. 

861
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,000
Ron Ron chapter on that one. 
But the man cannot make good 

862
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,760
decisions. 
He engages when he shouldn't. 

863
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,360
He doesn't engage when he 
should. 

864
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,520
He's a piss poor leader. 
I mean. 

865
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,440
Who's your favorite? 
I like, I like Abe. 

866
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,880
I don't like how I like Abe 
where the guy got got to say 

867
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,880
yeah, he just. 
Wanted Daryl. 

868
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,880
Daryl. 
Daryl is cool, he just needs to 

869
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,400
shave and clean up. 
I just like that, you know, he 

870
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,160
just he, you know, he's. 
Always going to be a follower. 

871
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,120
He's. 
Always going to be a. 

872
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,640
Follower, but he's somebody 
that's trustworthy. 

873
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,280
He's going to do his job. 
Now, I'm never going to find out

874
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:20,200
how this turns out. 
Now they're going to wait till 

875
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,880
they're all in the end and then 
Rick's going to wake up from the

876
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,280
dream and it's all just been 
pretty I. 

877
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,760
Said that I told my wife that 
the other day. 

878
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,360
I said, You know what's funny? 
I said she didn't know. 

879
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,360
What I was talking about, I 
said, Did you remember the old 

880
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,000
Bob, The New Hope? 
Show. 

881
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,320
Yeah, I hate to admit that I 
actually know. 

882
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,560
OK, the Bob New Hope show the. 
First one he did. 

883
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,280
Bob Newhart The Bob Newhart 
Show, The first one he did with 

884
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,200
where he was married to the Dark
Lady then. 

885
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,040
He. 
That show ended and then he had 

886
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,800
the show with the lady in the in
the hotel, and at the end of 

887
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,040
that show he was waking up in 
the middle of the night. 

888
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,960
Back in the first show, he woke 
up having a dream and his wife 

889
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,440
goes from the first show. 
He's back in the whole set of 

890
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,280
the first show and his wife 
goes, honey, what happened? 

891
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,480
Oh, it was just a dream. 
And that's how he they ended the

892
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,920
second. 
Bob Newhart Show Well, it's like

893
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,840
the guy from Breaking Bad Crock,
Brian whatever thing was the 

894
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,520
the. 
Branson. 

895
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,560
Bryan. 
Granson, he's in Breaking Bad, 

896
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,360
but he was also in that one show
where he was the dad of that 

897
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,440
that school kid, Malcolm, and 
knocking in the Middle. 

898
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,960
Yeah. 
What if that was witness 

899
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:35,880
protection program? 
I'm not lie down. 

900
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:37,840
I'm going to give you the 
Quantico but. 

901
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,240
No, but they that's my 
understanding. 

902
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:43,640
They want to talk to you more, 
possibly to interview you, to 

903
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,040
learn from me. 
OK. 

904
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,920
And if you're willing to do 
that, we'll let them know. 

905
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:49,000
Sure. 
OK. 

906
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,160
All right. 
Now, again with the attorney, 

907
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,360
whatever you decide to do is 
your right, your choice, a 

908
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,040
standby or whatever you decide 
to do, I'm. 

909
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,480
Just want my paper is all I want
right now for them. 

910
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,360
What I will do, I'm sorry, I'm 
not signing. 

911
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:04,640
Anything with him that I just 
want my paper? 

912
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,320
OK. 
With that being said, I will 

913
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,080
check in the morning. 
So you're not going to sign 

914
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,000
anything with him and hire him 
as an attorney tonight? 

915
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,240
That's correct, Sir. 
So you still want me to come get

916
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,400
you tomorrow and do all this? 
Yes, Sir. 

917
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,520
OK. 
I will still have to check in 

918
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,080
the morning to make sure that he
is not an attorney on record for

919
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,400
you. 
And then if he if he is not 

920
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,280
attorney on record for you, then
we will come get you and we will

921
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,400
do everything that we talked 
about. 

922
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,320
OK, OK, OK. 
All right, yeah, I just need a 

923
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,640
biz page because I really want 
to take some pressure drawings 

924
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:36,880
back to. 
You. 

925
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,080
No, no. 
That's good. 

926
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,000
Actually. 
Teaching. 

927
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,600
Those people how? 
You may be able to teach the FBI

928
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,400
some things about that. 
There's nothing I that he 

929
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,200
doesn't already know. 
Yeah. 

930
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,640
Well, he doesn't teach the FBI 
anything well. 

931
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,200
You want your computer. 
Back. 

932
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,400
I imagine the FBI knows more 
about firearms than I do. 

933
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,920
Oh well, you know, you know, 
you're right there. 

934
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:07,920
It's all about the thumbs. 
They're walking. 

935
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:08,880
You got to get some thumbs, 
right? 

936
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,560
All right, You know what? 
You. 

937
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:17,440
Know what we got to do? 
That's true, Dawsey. 

938
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:19,720
You want to turn it the other 
way? 

939
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,920
I'm just trying to help you out 
so you can. 

940
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,280
Dude, I understand. 
Put your put your wrist in 

941
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,760
there. 
While you're doing that, I'm 

942
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:30,880
going to use the restroom. 
Real quick. 

943
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:38,560
OK, Mark, do you want? 
Me. 

944
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,440
To shut up. 
Office. 

945
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,920
No. 
I was going to maybe let you put

946
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,400
your stuff up. 
Well, I was thinking you were 

947
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,000
from Anderson. 
I'll come back. 

948
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,880
I'm talking to my wife. 
I'm coming here. 

949
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,480
Yeah, because Anderson, people 
don't want to talk to me. 

950
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,160
They're done. 
Oh, do what have you. 

951
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,880
Got everything out if you need. 
Yeah, OK. 

952
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,360
I'm going to shut. 
It. 

953
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,640
Because I'll come back later, 
OK? 

954
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:05,160
Yeah, they're done with it. 
They Yeah, OK, I'm. 

955
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,360
Going to start this recorder. 
Yes, Sir. 

956
00:57:15,660 --> 00:57:19,740
Investigator Gaddy with Todd 
Cohap We are in the office 

957
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:22,260
getting ready to go back to the 
detention center. 

958
00:57:22,820 --> 00:57:29,260
It is 11/6/2016 and it is 17 O 
7. 

959
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,720
Cool. 
You good, bud? 

960
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:36,720
Yes, Sir. 
All right. 

961
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,400
You'll just step out and wait 
right here. 

962
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:51,480
We'll wait on until 2 o'clock. 
What's my name? 

963
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,160
Hey, I I know you're going to 
come back and you ain't going to

964
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,440
have time to hook it up. 
Don't. 

965
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:09,840
Don't leave it in there. 
Like my mom trying to keep me on

966
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:41,000
track. 
Right, it's white, 

967
00:58:56,300 --> 00:59:47,520
but the. 
So my handwriting may be hard to

968
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,000
read, so if you have a problem. 
Let me know personally if it was

969
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,240
my handwriting, you'd be, you 
understand? 

970
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,880
I can't. 
I can't criticize them. 

971
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:03,600
I can't do any better even. 
If I was, I'll go ahead and put 

972
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:04,320
how many. 
Pages. 

973
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,080
I'll, I'll get that. 
I'll just RIP the time down and 

974
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:15,400
I'll get it in so initials and. 
The date and then I'm going to 

975
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:26,720
do the same 5. 
Or 6. 5 And if that's accurate, 

976
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:32,920
sign right there for me, and 
you'll get a copy just like you 

977
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,640
got a copy of your Miranda 
forms. 

978
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:35,920
I'll give you a copy of this as 
well. 

979
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,680
I'll need a copy of that, 
correct? 

980
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:47,280
I'll sit around. 
And read it 2000 is when it was 

981
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,240
done. 
I just can't be talking to 

982
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:52,680
gather whatever they give me a 
book. 

983
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,880
They gave me a Bible, but it's. 
5th day of November. 

984
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:03,400
Correct, Sir, since I wrote it, 
you'll have to witness it you. 

985
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:23,970
Understand. 
So he's going to win Trump or 

986
01:01:24,970 --> 01:01:28,490
Hillary? 
You're scared to know there's a 

987
01:01:31,570 --> 01:01:58,800
pen for you. 
What I put, I'm sorry, what's 

988
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,720
the Beretta? 
FS. 

989
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:10,660
I'm sorry, could just initial 
that there they. 

990
01:02:20,260 --> 01:03:24,190
Don't say 2927 S. 
We thought, I'm going to just 

991
01:03:24,190 --> 01:03:26,350
kill timing before we get on my 
knees. 

992
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,600
If you get hungry through this 
process too, we'll get you 

993
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,760
something I'll see too. 
I've got or if you want 

994
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:51,610
something called the drink, 
Sir. 

995
01:03:52,170 --> 01:03:55,690
Yes, I did want to shoot other 
customers. 

996
01:03:56,330 --> 01:04:09,800
I'm sorry. 
You want just initial that 

997
01:04:16,570 --> 01:04:18,690
you're like me, you talk really 
fast so. 

998
01:04:21,250 --> 01:04:24,010
You ask me when I'm making a 
deal, Sir, You ask me when I'm 

999
01:04:24,010 --> 01:04:27,290
making a deal. 
I was in sales one side or 

1000
01:04:27,290 --> 01:05:08,760
another. 
OK. 

1001
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:16,600
I'm trying to get that case for 
any of them carrying a gun. 

1002
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,400
I don't know. 
I don't know. 

1003
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,840
I read the. 
Report there was money they that

1004
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,680
the guy had like 10 grand in 
cash and a gun in the in the 

1005
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,240
office but I would have taken 
it. 

1006
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:50,840
I was wondering if they. 
I think this religion is going 

1007
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,640
to roll over by tomorrow. 
There you. 

1008
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:56,200
Go. 
So this is the last. 

1009
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,280
One, I'm sorry. 
And when we get done, I do have 

1010
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,080
some clarifying additional 
clarifying things I need to ask 

1011
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:42,210
you. 
OK. 

1012
01:07:47,130 --> 01:07:50,930
I want to leave that part open 
for real quick because I need to

1013
01:07:50,930 --> 01:07:52,730
ask you a couple clarifying 
questions. 

1014
01:07:55,210 --> 01:07:58,810
You said you, you, you mentioned
in here exactly where you shot 

1015
01:07:58,810 --> 01:08:03,450
her and then you said you shot 
and where you shot the mechanic 

1016
01:08:04,290 --> 01:08:07,000
when you shot him. 
The other two gentlemen, as they

1017
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,720
were running, you mentioned you 
shot one of them in the back. 

1018
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,400
Do you know as the other one was
running where you shot him, 

1019
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:14,320
where he was hit? 
No. 

1020
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:16,040
Sir. 
OK. 

1021
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,800
Moving targets, Multiple moving 
targets. 

1022
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,840
I don't think I missed. 
If I did it wasn't more than 

1023
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,319
once. 
OK, but I mean it. 

1024
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:34,760
It's not an easy shot when you 
got 2 moving targets running. 

1025
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,359
Fascinating. 
The guy that was outside the 

1026
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:43,520
outside park, was he up against 
anything? 

1027
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,200
Was he tucked laying on it? 
Was it where I think the? 

1028
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:47,720
Curb. 
The curb. 

1029
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,520
Was there anything else nearby? 
I don't. 

1030
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,080
Remember anything? 
OK. 

1031
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,520
I scanned the parking lot but 
that's it was nothing moves. 

1032
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:00,040
I went back to. 
Did you through your story? 

1033
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,200
You didn't say it. 
So I, but I just want to 

1034
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,880
clarify, did you hit anybody or 
pistol whip anybody? 

1035
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:13,000
OK. 
Sir, I may shoot somebody as one

1036
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:17,920
thing, right, but I'm not a 
pistol whipping and being 

1037
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,040
somebody is not my. 
Thing did you? 

1038
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,439
When you were first? 
There, did you see a customer 

1039
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,319
leaving in a green Ford Ranger 
pickup truck? 

1040
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,399
I don't remember. 
You don't remember? 

1041
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:35,399
OK I know a guy came in with a 
kid looking for a go Kart and 

1042
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:36,359
left. 
OK. 

1043
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,359
Because I intentionally waited 
till they were gone. 

1044
01:09:42,800 --> 01:10:06,400
To add, a guy came in looking 
for a go Kart with his kid and I

1045
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:14,280
waited for them to leave. 
Yes, Sir. 

1046
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,360
OK. 
First thing I want to do. 

1047
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,560
To shoot a kid, and that's the 
best of everything in there is 

1048
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,680
the best of your knowledge. 
Best of my knowledge, OK. 

1049
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,280
I didn't see anybody else in the
parking lot. 

1050
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,920
If they were, they were leaving,
and if they heard anything, they

1051
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,640
were leaving really damn fast 
because nothing was suppressed. 

1052
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:43,120
Who got pistol whipped? 
I don't don't know. 

1053
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,080
Nobody may have, but there was, 
there was an injury that may, it

1054
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,160
was, there was an unexplained 
injury. 

1055
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,080
So that's why I was asking. 
No, it's right. 

1056
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,960
I didn't hit anybody with 
anything my. 

1057
01:10:54,000 --> 01:11:10,240
Investigator Tom Clark at my 
request, as I dictated OK and 

1058
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,240
what I need to do, since you've 
already signed it once, but I 

1059
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,800
added that bottom part, I just 
need you to sign it again for 

1060
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,120
me. 
Yeah, just below it. 

1061
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:27,000
And if you'll put this time, 
well, that's what you can just I

1062
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:38,490
can witness influence. 
Is there anything else you can 

1063
01:11:38,490 --> 01:11:45,370
think of? 
OK, we're going to step out. 

1064
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:50,770
We're going to do some few a few
things and then I'll come back 

1065
01:11:50,770 --> 01:11:53,850
in about a few minutes. 
Do you need anything else to 

1066
01:11:53,850 --> 01:11:56,160
drink? 
If you get something, they'll 

1067
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:57,960
take. 
It would you like water or soda 

1068
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,200
or. 
Whatever it's going. 

1069
01:11:59,480 --> 01:12:01,600
To be OK, I'll see what we mean.
I'll see what we can wrangle up 

1070
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:36,600
for you. 
Wonder was that? 

1071
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,160
We'll be right back, bud. 
But don't want to. 

1072
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,400
Use what? 
Oh my card fashion number. 

1073
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:45,600
OK. 
We'll be right back. 

1074
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,040
I'll. 
Just stay here. 

1075
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:57,360
What are you doing? 
For dinner. 

1076
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,720
You missed dinner over there. 
That BBQ wasn't enough. 

1077
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,920
What do you want? 
What do you have for me? 

1078
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,680
No, I'm asking you. 
What do you want? 

1079
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:11,520
I don't. 
Want to be an asshole? 

1080
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,280
Shut that door mark. 
You're not being natural. 

1081
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,360
I'm I'm. 
Telling I'm asking you what? 

1082
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:25,040
What do you want for dinner? 
We've we've got what do you got 

1083
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,440
jungles around here? 
We've got Miami Grill around 

1084
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:31,360
here. 
We've got we've got the whatever

1085
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,280
you want, man. 
Boiling Springs, cookout, 

1086
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:34,640
whatever. 
What's your what do you like to 

1087
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:35,480
eat? 
Cookout'll work. 

1088
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,400
I just that'll work. 
What do you like from Cookout? 

1089
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:37,920
Never. 
Been there. 

1090
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,080
You just got. 
Them right there? 

1091
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,120
Yes, Sir, they have a. 
Really good. 

1092
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,040
It's called a giant. 
Cheeseburger. 

1093
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,320
Giant fries and a giant tea. 
They're really good works. 

1094
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,160
For me. 
That's what I usually get. 

1095
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:50,880
OK, all right, I'll be right 
back. 

1096
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,360
I just. 
Don't want to be the guy because

1097
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,520
I want the step lobster and his 
asshole. 

1098
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,000
You know, whatever you want to 
eat, I'm I'm feeding you. 

1099
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:58,600
Thank you. 
But. 

1100
01:15:58,600 --> 01:23:02,960
That's what I mean. 
Got you. 

1101
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:05,800
I didn't. 
Know. 

1102
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:10,400
OK, yeah, got you. 
A didn't make them huge. 

1103
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,560
They call them huge at at. 
Cool. 

1104
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,560
Yeah, cool. 
It's a huge tea. 

1105
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,000
It's a huge burger. 
I didn't know. 

1106
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,680
So I just went with the normal 
lettuce, tomato, pickle, 

1107
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,960
mustard, mayonnaise. 
And then I got you huge fries. 

1108
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:24,880
Cool. 
Thank you. 

1109
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:27,800
Need to ask you quick. 
Clarifying questions. 

1110
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,360
OK, and I'm done with that damn 
statement, man. 

1111
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,120
So. 
This is yours. 

1112
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,320
You keep it, but I'm done with 
it. 

1113
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,280
As long as I have this, I don't 
care. 

1114
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:37,440
Yeah, you. 
No, this is yours. 

1115
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:39,000
I'm talking about me writing 
statements. 

1116
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,400
This is just me and me. 
Talking, although we've got. 

1117
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:44,040
Some other to talk about. 
That's what I'm going to ask 

1118
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,120
you. 1st of. 
All after you left sticker 

1119
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,520
rights, what was your what was 
your route home? 

1120
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,560
Did you go back down Paris 
Bridge Rd. 

1121
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,440
How did you get home? 
Same I'm I'm a creature of had 

1122
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,320
that. 
So you left CVS, come up shortly

1123
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,880
and then run up Paris Bridge, 
the road right next there there.

1124
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,760
Or do you? 
Remember, give me a. 

1125
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:12,920
Moment. 
OK, because that's part. 

1126
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:19,360
Of Boiling Springs to this day 
gets me confused with I believe 

1127
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:24,080
this EDS left hard on CVS lamp 
right, which would be Shelley 

1128
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:27,720
bridge. 
Is that right here, But then 

1129
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:31,800
Shelley bridge, yes, that should
be old furnace. 

1130
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:36,040
You go left cross over the four 
way and keep booking and booking

1131
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:37,560
and booking and booking. 
Say that again though. 

1132
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,520
If you leave CVS. 
There we go. 

1133
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:48,520
Yes, map is excellent. 
OK, Hwy. 9 is here, CVS is here.

1134
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:54,000
OK, there's a road next to CVS 
right here and then you go on up

1135
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,800
on Hwy. 9 and then this is 
Parrish Bridge Road and it 

1136
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,920
eventually comes down here to 
Hwy. 9. 

1137
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:04,560
OK, so right here CVS, did you 
were here at CVS? 

1138
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,080
Did you go up Hwy. 9 or did you 
go this? 

1139
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:11,440
Road to Parrish Bridge 'cause. 
You're talking about Old 

1140
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:14,040
Furnace. 
Old Furnace is up near the high 

1141
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,240
school and all that. 
I didn't go by in high school. 

1142
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,920
OK, this road right here would 
have taken you by Balloon Farms.

1143
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:25,040
That little farm thing on the 
left, it's like a Peach shed. 

1144
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:26,880
And stuff like. 
That it's been a long time. 

1145
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:30,200
Right. 
Well, after you left the CVS, do

1146
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:31,680
you remember going? 
Up Hwy. 9. 

1147
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,920
Or do you? 
Remember, you don't remember. 

1148
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,160
Knowing me. 
I would have taken this and all 

1149
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,840
that. 
Way and you came back the same 

1150
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,480
way. 
Yes, OK. 

1151
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,320
Because you mentioned the four 
way. 

1152
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,040
Well, well, on up there's a 
full. 

1153
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,640
Way on Paris Bridge Rd. there's 
a stop light. 

1154
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:51,520
Gas stations on the right hand 
side. 

1155
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,040
If you make a left, it takes you
down past nothing that's old. 

1156
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,840
Front of Rd. it goes on. 
That's old. 

1157
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,760
Front of Rd. because that takes 
you to a high school. 

1158
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:03,520
Yeah, I think. 
Because that's not the way you 

1159
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:04,480
came. 
So you. 

1160
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:08,320
Came up this little road right 
here and went up Harrisburg Rd. 

1161
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,120
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure. 
OK, that's. 

1162
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,560
Fine. 
It was how many years ago? 

1163
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:16,960
Yeah. 
So no, you're not sure. 

1164
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:22,520
Details are numbers. 
OK, can you hand me that for a 

1165
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,800
second? 
I'm going to throw it outside 

1166
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:26,600
when we're. 
Just no. 

1167
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:27,880
It's. 
Not when you talk about the 

1168
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,440
weapons. 
Hold on a second you'll. 

1169
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:32,720
Want me to talk about the 
weapons? 

1170
01:26:41,220 --> 01:26:45,260
Hang on a second. 
OK, I'm kind of glad I'm not 

1171
01:26:45,260 --> 01:26:48,280
going. 
I wish that one was gone. 

1172
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,240
I'm going to take these off. 
The lines are right. 

1173
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:58,520
You. 
Had mentioned to your mom and 

1174
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:02,160
that we when we had talked at 
the jail that there were others 

1175
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:06,280
and you told your mom she didn't
have enough hands. 

1176
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:08,880
I had some altercations in 
Arizona. 

1177
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:11,200
OK. 
I don't remember all the 

1178
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,280
details. 
I had a friend of mine that got 

1179
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,760
shot coming out coming out of a 
alleyway. 

1180
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:20,240
OK. 
I found the guy later. 

1181
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:21,560
On who was your friend that got 
shot? 

1182
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,160
Michael Sumpton. 
I was a kid. 

1183
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:25,680
I don't remember Michael 
Sumpton. 

1184
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:27,120
Do you remember the guy that you
shot? 

1185
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:29,920
I never knew his name. 
You never knew his name. 

1186
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:35,200
He he drove a Nova. 
Grey Nova what? 

1187
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,360
Year was that you think? 
Well, how old were you? 

1188
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:40,360
14. 
You were 14. 

1189
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,760
What's it then? 
OK. 

1190
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,280
My my understanding is there was
some kid who wanted to be in a 

1191
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,480
gang and was doing his 
initiation. 

1192
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,440
And his initiation was to shoot 
your friend. 

1193
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,520
We were just two kids coming out
of an alley. 

1194
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,360
We were part of nothing. 
We were part of nothing. 

1195
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:58,720
That was his initiation. 
Yes, Sir. 

1196
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:08,120
Wow. 
Have you killed anybody else in 

1197
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:08,880
Spartanburg? 
Yes. 

1198
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,640
Sir. 
Have you killed anybody else in 

1199
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:17,320
South Carolina? 
No, Sir, other than the boy in 

1200
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:21,200
Arizona and Super bikes and the 
ones that we have on the 

1201
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,280
property, have you killed 
anybody else? 

1202
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:30,120
And this is where I ask it is. 
Is that enough? 

1203
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,760
I do, but no. 
No, no, this is the thing. 

1204
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:36,720
No, this is the thing. 
This is not. 

1205
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,000
To drive anyhow home or anything
like that. 

1206
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:43,600
OK, you had your moment in here 
with your mom and this is your 

1207
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,480
opportunity to get everything. 
It it's not, you know what I'm 

1208
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:48,560
saying? 
It's an opportunity to get 

1209
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:52,080
everything out of the way, you 
know, because you're going to be

1210
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:56,760
sitting in in a cell and and 
there's going to be long times 

1211
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:00,040
and, and you're a compassionate 
person. 

1212
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,520
I'm a compassionate person, OK, 
You're in the heat of the moment

1213
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,880
when somebody pisses you off, 
you may want to beat the shit 

1214
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,840
out of them, shoot them, stab 
and kill them, whatever. 

1215
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,560
But when you're laying there at 
night, it's gonna it may. 

1216
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,560
Bother. 
You you see what I'm saying and 

1217
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:17,840
that's the only reason I'm 
asking that's. 

1218
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,480
The only one I've shot. 
That's the only one you've shot.

1219
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:25,200
OK. 
I didn't want to have to explain

1220
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,400
numbers on the phone and I sure 
didn't want to give numbers A4. 

1221
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,520
It's it's already hard up. 
I know you guys are listening. 

1222
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:36,400
Actually, we have it I'm. 
Surprised I actually thought you

1223
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,560
got a name. 
I got one. 

1224
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,960
I got a phone call yesterday, 
finally got a phone call. 

1225
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:46,640
But you, you said that you knew 
that you, you said that I had. 

1226
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,640
That's how my mom reached out. 
Your mom reached out. 

1227
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,440
She told she actually, you told 
her to reach out to me. 

1228
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:54,360
I did. 
OK. 

1229
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:58,600
Well, she inadvertently reached 
out somehow through to the 

1230
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:02,000
solicitor's office who reached 
out to me. 

1231
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:06,080
So that's How I Met with one of 
their investigators. 

1232
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:09,080
And he told. 
Me that your mom had reached out

1233
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:15,400
to him and he told me what she 
had said and then we went from 

1234
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,640
there talking. 
So that's how all that 

1235
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:24,320
transpired. 
OK they're they're they're 

1236
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,720
they're recording probably I 
don't have I I don't you know I 

1237
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:34,640
don't I don't OK, so there's no 
one because. 

1238
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:38,200
And I was told to ask you, 
there's 2 missing people out of 

1239
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:44,000
Gastonia. 
I can't remember that. 

1240
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:48,640
And it it's irrelevant. 
You're saying you not killed or 

1241
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,400
harmed anybody else. 
That's correct. 

1242
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:51,640
The other person that you were 
talking. 

1243
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:53,960
About. 
I'm not sure I'd even killed 

1244
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:54,600
him. 
OK. 

1245
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:58,560
And it was a long, long so. 
When you told mom she didn't 

1246
01:30:58,560 --> 01:30:59,600
have enough fingers, I just 
didn't. 

1247
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,240
Know what to tell on the phone? 
OK, So that was kind of not an, 

1248
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:04,920
I don't want to say 
embellishment, but it was just 

1249
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,600
something to. 
Didn't want to give her phone 

1250
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,000
numbers I. 
Gotcha. 

1251
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,400
I gotcha. 
More than one hand, but it's not

1252
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:13,760
really a bracking. 
Kind of. 

1253
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:16,880
I understand. 
Somebody's muscle heads may call

1254
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,160
that, oh, that's cool. 
I I don't really call that cool.

1255
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:22,560
Hey, Todd, a while ago you made 
a statement that said that when 

1256
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,040
you you just said those are the 
only people I've shot. 

1257
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,400
Any other names? 
OK. 

1258
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,760
I just know that you're very 
deliberate with what you say. 

1259
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,840
Did you stab anybody or anything
like that? 

1260
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,480
Well, not yeah, but not like she
was thinking I was a kid. 

1261
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:42,400
I was killing school bus school 
scissors. 

1262
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:46,080
OK, learn, not stab anybody and 
kill anybody by stabbing them or

1263
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,000
anything like that, OK? 
OK. 

1264
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:50,200
And you can call me Tommy. 
You don't call me Sir. 

1265
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,960
It's just respect, right? 
How old are you 45? 

1266
01:31:55,480 --> 01:31:57,800
What's that image? 
He's Sir. 

1267
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,080
OK, well. 
It's hard for me not to to say, 

1268
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:06,080
Sir. 
I got you. 

1269
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,080
I understand, man. 
That's it's, you know, my kids 

1270
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,520
do that to me. 
I never told him to. 

1271
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:16,000
My dad was a military man and 
his dad was a military man. 

1272
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:18,880
And he would not make me call 
him Sir because he always had to

1273
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,080
call people Sir. 
And I don't make my children 

1274
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:22,960
call me Sir. 
But they did. 

1275
01:32:23,480 --> 01:32:25,760
Just just remember too, at the 
beginning we told you that 

1276
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:29,200
there's probably not a lot we're
going to be able to do for you. 

1277
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,400
Giving you a a clear conscience 
is one of the only things we 

1278
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:34,680
can. 
Honestly, I'm not worried about 

1279
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,680
my conscience. 
You gave me what I wanted. 

1280
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:42,880
What I wanted was to be to have 
the opportunity to take care of 

1281
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:47,200
my mom, whether my girlfriend 
accepts it or not, to at least 

1282
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:48,720
attempt to take care of her and 
her kid. 

1283
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,320
Do you still want me to reach 
out and call? 

1284
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:53,360
I have not yet. 
But do you still want me to 

1285
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,240
reach out and talk to her to see
if she wants to come see you or 

1286
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,640
talk to you? 
If she would please. 

1287
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:00,560
OK, I. 
Will the biggest thing is please

1288
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:08,680
let her know that whether I 
screwed up and I can't fix it, I

1289
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,800
hope that she doesn't basically 
let her probably get in the way.

1290
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,840
I've got mom to clear her house 
on trying to sell this stuff 

1291
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:20,280
off. 
OK, no one will get rich here, 

1292
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,920
but the idea is I'd like to be 
able to get enough money where 

1293
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:27,320
she is not damaged, where she 
can basically restart her life 

1294
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:34,080
without this over her head and 
put the kid through some school 

1295
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:39,480
she grows up to be something 
positive past that. 

1296
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,160
That's all I wanted. 
I mean, Mom's going to put some 

1297
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,640
money on my books once the money
is released. 

1298
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:48,440
OK. 
And you wouldn't need to 

1299
01:33:48,440 --> 01:33:51,480
transfer that to the bank on the
computer or to the bank right? 

1300
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:56,920
Or by the checkbook. 
The easiest way would be one or 

1301
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,840
two things. 
One, release the cash in the 

1302
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:04,600
safe as option A, or release the
two checkbooks. 

1303
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:11,000
I don't need the escrow 
checkbook, but I do need the 

1304
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:12,800
personal checkbook and the 
company checkbook. 

1305
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:13,880
What are they? 
What bank? 

1306
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:15,760
Account and what are they? 
Both of those are Wells Fargo. 

1307
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:19,240
Although on the all the what do 
they say on? 

1308
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:25,120
Well, on the on the checks talk 
hold it. 

1309
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:26,560
No, it's talk hold and 
associates. 

1310
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:30,320
The one I don't need. 
There's $1000 in that account. 

1311
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:31,600
That's mine. 
I did transfer over. 

1312
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:32,960
So you want to bring me the 
escrow? 

1313
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:33,760
There's three checks. 
I don't know. 

1314
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:34,800
What? 
I don't remember back up. 

1315
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,600
I don't know what you know. 
I don't know what we're going to

1316
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:38,840
be able to do. 
I just got to there. 

1317
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:41,000
Is 3 checkbooks all together. 
OK. 

1318
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:43,960
One of them actually says what 
Wachovia is. 

1319
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:48,040
Blueish Wachovia personal Why 
could he turn into Wells Fargo? 

1320
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:50,360
So I left. 
That glue because I could tell 

1321
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:51,720
mine versus the. 
Companies. 

1322
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:57,040
Since I'm a sole proprietor, 
basically something is me. 

1323
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:03,520
So I pay off a bunch of things 
if I can just get the cheque 

1324
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,600
books and write her a cheque out
of each one of them. 

1325
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,920
I don't know the total total of 
each account, but if I can kick 

1326
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,160
her. 
Something then. 

1327
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:14,840
We can deal with the rest of my 
later. 

1328
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:18,000
Well, that's, I mean, we'll, 
like I said, I can tell you in 

1329
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,560
the beginning, I'll do 
everything I can because. 

1330
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:21,000
Mom doesn't have any money. 
I'll do. 

1331
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,200
Everything I can, I didn't. 
Know she was that bad. 

1332
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:24,760
Mom, you know. 
I haven't seen her in years. 

1333
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,480
That was in her in years. 
What happened to her hip? 

1334
01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:30,920
Oh. 
Man, everything. 

1335
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:32,240
She's more accent prone than I 
am. 

1336
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:33,080
Really. 
If. 

1337
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:35,480
If there's a bump, there's if 
there's a curve, there's 

1338
01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:37,400
something out there. 
That woman will hit it. 

1339
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,000
She want me to well. 
Let me go out and take care of a

1340
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,920
few things, she went. 
Well, because she was a big girl

1341
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,000
when I met her the last time I 
saw her. 

1342
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:46,320
She will. 
Let. 

1343
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:53,200
Me ask you this too, Todd, in 
reference to the other two 

1344
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:58,080
people that we talked about down
there, Megan and Johnny, is 

1345
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:02,200
there anything that you left out
while we were at the jail 

1346
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:05,400
talking while we were at the 
detention center talking about 

1347
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:09,280
them that we need to know? 
I mean obviously you told me and

1348
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:10,680
make sure that I'm getting this 
right. 

1349
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,840
You pick them up at Blackstock 
and you know what you pick them 

1350
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:24,080
up at Blackstock and Regal Road 
and then that's well, OK, no 

1351
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:27,320
certain start. 
I met her there. 

1352
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:32,120
OK got her number. 
We talked on the phone for a 

1353
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:41,240
brief moment, OK, then I met 
them later on at that next to 

1354
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:42,840
Ricky's hot dog's big huge 
parking lot. 

1355
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:46,120
They walked across and spoke to 
me there. 

1356
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:52,280
I almost thought she was going 
to hit on me to actually come 

1357
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,800
on, show me the right guys in 
our car, but just not what I was

1358
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:56,600
there for. 
I got you. 

1359
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,840
I'm going to tell you our 
meaning look shitty and shit. 

1360
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,000
I understand. 
I mean, I got you because you 

1361
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:07,240
show up with with that in that 
parking lot kind of the way she 

1362
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:08,480
was I. 
Understand what you're talking. 

1363
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:15,920
About basically offered her the 
job, offered to let him to go in

1364
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:20,640
and do her work as well. 
The next day she the next day of

1365
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:23,600
this was over several days. 
The next day she was in the 

1366
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:27,080
paper mug shots. 
I guess you guys had arrested 

1367
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:33,360
her for meth or some shit hair. 
I don't know. 

1368
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,560
Something was in her bloodstream
and you took her kids away. 

1369
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:40,760
OK, I asked her about it and she
informed me that yeah, she had 

1370
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:48,200
drug issues. 
And with that, I still was going

1371
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:54,960
to give him a chance. 
You know, I get shit happens to 

1372
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:55,800
people. 
It's hard. 

1373
01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:00,840
I get it. 
I'm going to meet him back 

1374
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,320
there. 
Actually, I meet him there, but 

1375
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:08,320
they told me the address which 
is across the street where they 

1376
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,520
were. 
Do you remember that address? 

1377
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:13,960
Last year, that's what we were 
talking about behind the farmer 

1378
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:15,200
complex. 
Yes. 

1379
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:18,960
OK, I can't say the. 
Address but another day if you 

1380
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,720
want to. 
The house is unique enough I can

1381
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,040
point it out. 
OK. 

1382
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,240
Because it sits on the corner on
at a funky angle. 

1383
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,080
I I OK you. 
Know what has to talk about? 

1384
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:32,600
Yeah. 
What happened there? 

1385
01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:35,240
What do you mean? 
For you to know that. 

1386
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:37,600
House I used to patrol out there
years ago. 

1387
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:39,800
I don't know about what 
particularly happened out there.

1388
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:40,960
I just know the house you're 
talking about. 

1389
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:44,240
Well, you said no, no, when I 
used to patrol I patrol that 

1390
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:47,880
area. 
So when you yeah, when I, when 

1391
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,920
you. 
So, I mean, that's that's I. 

1392
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,520
Patrol that area. 
I didn't know something else 

1393
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:52,960
happening. 
No, not no. 

1394
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:55,840
I wasn't a part of it. 
If the house is out on the 

1395
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,160
corner, that's kind of crooked 
way it's located. 

1396
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:04,720
And I picked them up and I drove
him to my land of kids supplies 

1397
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:11,120
and got him down to my building.
And that's when Johnny pulled a 

1398
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:15,360
knife out and. 
You shot him. 

1399
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,160
I shot him. 
What'd you do with his knife? 

1400
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:19,400
Oh no, I don't. 
Keep that contract. 

1401
01:39:19,480 --> 01:39:21,160
You just threw it out. 
Yeah, that's right. 

1402
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,440
You got him I. 
What did she do when you shot 

1403
01:39:24,440 --> 01:39:25,920
Johnny? 
What did she do when Johnny 

1404
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:27,600
pulled the knife out? 
What did she say? 

1405
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,040
Nothing. 
So you think she was planning on

1406
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,600
the planning of this? 
I think she entirely was in the 

1407
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:37,920
plan of it. 
There was there was no, oh shit,

1408
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:40,640
Johnny, what are you doing? 
There was none of that. 

1409
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:46,200
This was her actions were she 
knew he was doing that. 

1410
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,960
They saw a guy who had a shit 
load of money driving a car they

1411
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:53,640
can't afford. 
They didn't even have a car and 

1412
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:54,920
they were going to get 
something. 

1413
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:58,920
So then you shot him how many 
times? 

1414
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:05,880
Shot him twice in the chest. 
He dropped forward, he dropped 

1415
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:10,200
forward. 
I went around him and put 

1416
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:12,480
another one through a spinal 
cord. 

1417
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:14,080
OK. 
And you shot her. 

1418
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:21,600
Not exactly OK. 
The conex was not meant to be. 

1419
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:27,920
A cage, OK. 
All that changed, it was after 

1420
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:28,840
the fact. 
OK. 

1421
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:36,400
Connex was designed for my food 
and my weapons and to secure my 

1422
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:38,160
four Wheeler before I had the 
building built. 

1423
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,800
The back area, that's all wood 
that wasn't designed for them, 

1424
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:48,240
that was designed for my stuff. 
Until last week, there was no 

1425
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:52,120
ceiling on that. 
I put that in because she was 

1426
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:55,760
cold. 
Caleb, it's called. 

1427
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,520
OK, I'm glad we're still talking
about John. 

1428
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,680
I got you. 
She's all related to the back to

1429
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:03,480
help keep her warm. 
I don't know what to do with it 

1430
01:41:03,480 --> 01:41:06,600
man. 
One side I really want to drop 

1431
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:10,440
her, the next side I really I 
found fucked up. 

1432
01:41:10,440 --> 01:41:11,720
I kind of wanted to save her 
ass. 

1433
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:17,040
I I don't. 
Let me back up real quick before

1434
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,360
we go that far because we were 
talking about Johnny. 

1435
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,840
The gorilla was with Johnny. 
Did you shoot her? 

1436
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:24,120
Not at that time. 
OK, what happened with her? 

1437
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:27,600
She panicked and then she told 
her to sit down. 

1438
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:32,080
She sat down, went ahead and 
cuffed her, patted her down, 

1439
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,000
told her I wasn't going to hurt 
her. 

1440
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:39,200
She calmed down and I actually 
took her to the conex. 

1441
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:41,960
No, that's not true. 
I had her way there for a while.

1442
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:45,280
I've never had to do with her. 
I did one of my conex because I 

1443
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:46,880
had stuff in there and know what
the hell to do with it. 

1444
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:49,160
Putting her in with my guns is 
not a good idea. 

1445
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:53,240
I can understand that. 
I actually had to go. 

1446
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:56,720
For the first time I ever had a 
look at the panic of what the 

1447
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,600
hell do I do with her? 
Put her here. 

1448
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:00,400
Put her there. 
Drop her. 

1449
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:01,720
What the hell to do? 
Do I call the cops? 

1450
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,360
Oh shit, I got legal guns. 
Oh shit, oh shit. 

1451
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:08,160
Oh shit. 
What do I do with her? 

1452
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:13,440
Shoot that shit. 
Crazy man. 

1453
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:18,560
That's what you said earlier. 
I told her I wasn't going to 

1454
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,440
touch her, wasn't going to rape 
her, wasn't going to her, just 

1455
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:23,760
calm the hell down and let me 
sort this shit out. 

1456
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:29,400
Somewhere between when I did 
that I shot him back tight in 

1457
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:33,840
the back, got her to calm down 
and kept coming back and forth 

1458
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:36,120
trying to figure out what to do.
But I had her cuffed and she 

1459
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:40,720
wouldn't go anywhere. 
Eventually I went and locked 

1460
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:45,360
once I left her on the floor for
a while. 

1461
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:47,280
I left her on that floor, 
cuffed. 

1462
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,200
I wouldn't because I didn't know
what I'll do with her. 

1463
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:50,160
I didn't want her in the 
building. 

1464
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:53,560
OK. 
Got the tractor, got it out of 

1465
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:56,480
there, picked the body up and 
was trying to figure out what 

1466
01:42:56,480 --> 01:42:58,560
the hell to do with it. 
This is Johnny's body. 

1467
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:01,720
Yeah, OK. 
Like I said, I was held with. 

1468
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:07,480
A meltdown I understand. 
The lamb was supposed to be my. 

1469
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,040
Sanctuary. 
Yeah, not my killing field. 

1470
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:15,200
Right, I understand not that. 
'D be my killing field. 

1471
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,720
It was supposed to be the place 
where I'd go to relax and get 

1472
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:20,760
away from people and not deal 
with this shit. 

1473
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:24,480
This. 
This killing. 

1474
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:26,920
We bothered because it was such 
needless bullshit. 

1475
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:30,400
Hell, I was giving them money. 
Why were you bothering me? 

1476
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:39,560
I. 
Went down to the comics, cleaned

1477
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:42,520
out the back area because I had 
shit all in there. 

1478
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:48,240
And at one time those ammo racks
weren't there. 

1479
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:52,240
The ammo rack was here and here,
pistol, rifle. 

1480
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:58,200
So there was only that much 
space at the back. 

1481
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:01,400
So I moved all the guns forward 
and at that time those were on 

1482
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:04,320
casters and those are not on 
casters. 

1483
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:08,200
Now put her back there to her. 
Calm the hell down. 

1484
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:12,480
Let me rethink this crap. 
Let me see what the hell I'm. 

1485
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:14,080
I'm trying to figure out what to
do. 

1486
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,520
One guy, Johnny, went over there
and dug a hole. 

1487
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:21,520
And like I said, you take the 
tractor and you keep going in 

1488
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:25,040
and dig and what you end up 
doing is making a slanted until 

1489
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:31,080
I could put him here. 
Dug that, stuck him in it, 

1490
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:33,880
covered it up. 
It's a lot more work than you 

1491
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:37,160
think. 
Did that, went back and dealt 

1492
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:38,640
with her, tried to figure out 
what to do with her. 

1493
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:43,080
Really wasn't sure. 
Ended up basically leaving her 

1494
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,320
tied up there and went and got 
some chain. 

1495
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:47,240
I had chain around. 
There's lots of chain in that 

1496
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:50,200
building. 
I used chain for all kinds of 

1497
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:51,480
shit. 
There's chain in the in the 

1498
01:44:51,480 --> 01:44:54,000
woods where I've got trees that 
come along that are certainly 

1499
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:56,560
leaning towards my fence and 
I'll put a chain around it. 

1500
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:58,800
I could come along to it and 
start working this way and over 

1501
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:00,880
a period of time it'll fall away
from the fence. 

1502
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:03,960
So chain and cable and that kind
of stuff. 

1503
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:09,400
I got a lot of tied her up after
there while I try to figure out 

1504
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:11,720
what. 
Didn't know what to do with it 

1505
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:15,760
man. 
Got rid of Johnny, came back, 

1506
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:22,840
left her there, went and got 
food, fed the girl. 

1507
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:26,520
Fed her after she tried to rob 
you man. 

1508
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,720
What do you want to do with her?
I don't want to shoot her, I 

1509
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,080
understand. 
I mean, I can't have some crazy 

1510
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:35,120
batshit woman going back up. 
I mean, she was going to bipolar

1511
01:45:35,120 --> 01:45:37,280
left and right. 
She wouldn't calm down. 

1512
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:43,040
Like oh, she finally calmed 
down, but she would, she was 

1513
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:48,280
talking to me and 1st she had 
drug issues and then she kept 

1514
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:52,280
going off the deep end with 
weird shit and kept talking and 

1515
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:55,440
then she kept telling me that 
she had Mac manic modes or some 

1516
01:45:55,440 --> 01:46:00,320
sort of bipolar lithium crap. 
How the hell it was where? 

1517
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:04,920
I mean she was up, down, up, 
down, up, down. 

1518
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:07,400
So she didn't mellow out like 
Kayla did. 

1519
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:10,680
No, not at all. 
She did finally calm down. 

1520
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:13,840
But. 
She. 

1521
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,800
Wasn't upset. 
What made you decide to shoot 

1522
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:18,560
her? 
I'll get to that, OK. 

1523
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:22,200
I wasn't going to shoot her. 
OK, I was going to give her 

1524
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:26,000
money, OK. 
I don't know why the hell she 

1525
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:30,080
let the hell off I held her. 
I hate the kidnapping part. 

1526
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,880
There's another one. 
I held her in there for a couple

1527
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:36,760
days. 
How many days? 

1528
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:39,520
5 or 6. 
OK. 

1529
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:47,200
I Every every other damn day she
wanted Little Caesars pizza. 

1530
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:49,760
I ate that shit. 
All the good in heartburn. 

1531
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:53,120
Little Caesars pizza. 
Mountain Dew. 

1532
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:56,880
Not Mountain Dew. 
Dr. Pepper salmon rolls in 

1533
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:00,040
friggin Newports. 
If you go down to my building, 

1534
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:03,280
you'll find an unused package of
Newports that I bought for her. 

1535
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:07,000
And then you went batshit. 
She took, she tried to light my 

1536
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:08,040
damn building on fire. 
Do you know? 

1537
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:10,840
How and how back of what 
building the Conex? 

1538
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:15,960
The Newport pack is still there.
The Newport pack is still inside

1539
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,160
the toolbox. 
This is the unused pack. 

1540
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:21,320
I bought her a actually bought 
her a card. 

1541
01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:24,120
OK, I don't. 
I don't buy, I don't smoke. 

1542
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:25,600
I. 
Don't know how to buy her. 

1543
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:29,520
I went in the store, I said OK I
need I think Newports Reds. 

1544
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:32,360
Where the hell they were the 
lady went? 

1545
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:33,760
Do you want a pack or a 
cardinal? 

1546
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:37,200
Oh shit, I don't really know. 
Give me a frigging carton. 

1547
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:44,000
Got her that, got her lighter. 
Wasn't sure what the hell to 

1548
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,640
give her man. 
Is that toolbox inside the 

1549
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:49,560
comics or is it in one of the 
ones inside the It's the 

1550
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:52,040
building? 
Red toolbox inside the building,

1551
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:56,800
bottom drawer, left hand side. 
You'll find some Lube and stuff 

1552
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:57,600
in there. 
I had none do it. 

1553
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,240
I just didn't know where the 
hell to put the shit. 

1554
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:04,040
There's also a friend of mine 
gave me his girlfriend gave me 

1555
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:07,560
1000 little packets of KY. 
Do you want to use it? 

1556
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:08,680
I don't know. 
You didn't use it. 

1557
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:11,560
I don't know. 
It's still in the bag. 

1558
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:13,800
I am infection. 
So then what happened with her? 

1559
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:20,240
Went from there. 
Oh, there's a collar in there. 

1560
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:24,760
That collar was careless. 
Net collar. 

1561
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:28,960
Yeah, she had me order. 
It she asked you to order it. 

1562
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:30,080
Yes, Sir. 
OK. 

1563
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,400
We'll get to that in a minute. 
Didn't use it because if it came

1564
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:35,560
in the mail I would tell him 
went oh. 

1565
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:37,920
OK. 
And she said he came from Megan.

1566
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:42,000
It's it's a stainless steel 
collar with like hooks for 

1567
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,960
putting like locks on, I mean. 
Dude. 

1568
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:47,880
It's like having me. 
I don't treat my dogs that way. 

1569
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:54,400
So what happened with Megan? 
Put in there, fed up for a 

1570
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:56,960
couple days, proceeded to go 
ahead. 

1571
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:58,320
Mostly just left people the hell
alone. 

1572
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:02,880
Left her alone. 
I didn't know what to do with 

1573
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:04,600
her and then she kept burning 
shit. 

1574
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:07,520
I come in and often find that 
she burnt her blanket and she 

1575
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:10,840
burnt this. 
She's sitting next to 100,000 

1576
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:14,280
reps ammo. 
Love of God please stop burning 

1577
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:16,360
shit. 
If that thing goes off. 

1578
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:19,560
Do you know what? 
Do you know what that would do 

1579
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:21,680
to a neighborhood or an area 
that's only a neighborhood? 

1580
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:24,560
It wouldn't. 
Holy shit. 

1581
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,000
Please do not catch the building
on fire. 

1582
01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:33,040
She kept trying to get shit on 
fire and then go on smoking. 

1583
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:35,120
I would open the door and then 
the cloud would come out. 

1584
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:40,000
It's like, well, those cartoons 
looking back, giving her 

1585
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:41,440
cigarettes, why I made a 
mistake. 

1586
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:53,040
I had her there, left her alone,
took her down the other 

1587
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:56,400
building, sat her down for a 
while, got her to calm down. 

1588
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:02,080
Just please calm down. 
Got her some food, told her 

1589
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,840
basically that if she would just
chill the hell out. 

1590
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:09,800
You don't know me, you don't 
know very much about me, you 

1591
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:11,440
don't have shit. 
And last time I could check from

1592
01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:14,120
what was online, she had a 
warrant when they were looking 

1593
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:18,280
for her ass. 
I'll give you what, $4000? 

1594
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:21,280
I'll drive you up to Dayton, TN.
I'll drop your ass off 

1595
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:22,880
somewhere. 
If you got any common sense on 

1596
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,200
this planet, you'll go left and 
I'll go right. 

1597
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:26,600
What? 
She said. 

1598
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:29,240
Oh, she got so excited I got my 
Dick sucked. 

1599
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:35,000
She did. 
Yeah, it wasn't bad. 

1600
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:43,040
Oh, no. 
OK, hey girl went off of hey. 

1601
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:47,080
I told her I would drove her 
$4000 and basically release her 

1602
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:50,080
in Tennessee. 
Just go. 

1603
01:50:50,440 --> 01:50:52,240
Please go. 
Don't come back. 

1604
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:56,240
It seemed like an easy, It 
seemed like an easy solution. 

1605
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:59,160
She didn't really know my name. 
She didn't know my address. 

1606
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:01,920
She didn't know where I lived 
when I first met her. 

1607
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:03,800
I mean, I told her who I was, 
but I just told her I was a 

1608
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:05,880
realtor. 
She didn't really know me. 

1609
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:09,640
There was very little for her to
come in. 

1610
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:12,400
What's she going to do? 
She's got warrants out for her 

1611
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:15,680
arrest. 
She'll like call you guys up to 

1612
01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:19,040
say some asshole shot my 
boyfriend, but you're looking 

1613
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:22,960
for me anyhow. 
I don't know where he lives. 

1614
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,320
We went to some land. 
I don't know where the fuck I 

1615
01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:27,120
was. 
Can I ask you a question? 

1616
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:30,560
Yes, Sir. 
Did and I'm. 

1617
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:33,960
I am jumping back and forth. 
That's right, back to Megan In 

1618
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:37,320
in just a minute. 
Did you give Kayla any 

1619
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:41,360
cigarettes or did you Did you 
give Kayla cigarettes? 

1620
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:43,720
Cigarettes. 
No. 

1621
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:47,360
She took a shit load of pills. 
OK. 

1622
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:52,120
So does she want cigarettes? 
She asked me for for weed. 

1623
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:59,240
Why would you not? 
Is is that so obviously you 

1624
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:03,200
didn't give it to her. 
Was the trouble that you had 

1625
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:06,920
with Megan something that you 
decided I'm not going to go 

1626
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:09,360
through this again? 
Oh, definitely top thing. 

1627
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:14,200
So you basically went for, you 
know, you didn't want to give 

1628
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:16,600
her cigarettes to let her 
attempt to burn shit because you

1629
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,160
learned from what Megan did. 
Yes, You wasn't going on fire. 

1630
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:21,560
You wasn't going to let Kayla do
that. 

1631
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:22,920
But I don't remember Kayla 
asking me for. 

1632
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:24,120
Cigarettes. 
Kayla didn't ask you for 

1633
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:25,920
cigarettes. 
OK, But Megan. 

1634
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:28,240
So you're, you're sitting there 
with Megan. 

1635
01:52:28,440 --> 01:52:30,680
Yes, Sir. 
And Megan, I don't. 

1636
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:33,280
Understand the question then, 
because she didn't ask me for 

1637
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:34,680
cigarettes. 
Well, and that's fine. 

1638
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:36,680
I didn't know if she did or not.
I just, I just thought that I 

1639
01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:37,920
wasn't going to give her 
anything like that. 

1640
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,880
There you go. 
All that stuff was was Burg and 

1641
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:46,200
I was like. 
So with Megan, you, you. 

1642
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:48,680
You made her the offer of the 
$4000. 

1643
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:51,160
Keep your mouth shut. 
I think you're Tennessee. 

1644
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:53,720
Drop you off and leave it. 
You go one way, I'll go the 

1645
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:55,760
other way. 
What made that change? 

1646
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:56,480
What happened? 
What? 

1647
01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:58,840
Do you mean what made that 
change? 

1648
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:01,200
Well, she ended up dead. 
Oh, you mean what? 

1649
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:02,880
What were proceeded? 
Yeah. 

1650
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:07,720
That makes sense. 
I'll use your words, we're 

1651
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:11,160
proceeded. 
I'm not trying to be. 

1652
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:12,760
Any No. 
Yeah, you just need. 

1653
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:14,640
You, man, What? 
You're not being an asshole. 

1654
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:16,040
What? 
I do, We're fine. 

1655
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,320
I wanted to get rid of her. 
The weather went to shit. 

1656
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:23,640
We were having sleet. 
It was right before Christmas, 

1657
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:24,840
man. 
We were here having sleet. 

1658
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:28,320
We were having rain. 
The weather went to shit and I 

1659
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:32,400
still had to find a way to get 
away from Ashley, my girlfriend,

1660
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:35,840
long enough to get up out of 
work, get this person in 

1661
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:37,920
Tennessee, drop her off and get 
home. 

1662
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:40,720
That's not a that's not just a 
couple hour trip, no. 

1663
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:42,760
And if I'm driving her, it's a 
big border. 

1664
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:46,440
We're going north of Nashville. 
I want her way away from me. 

1665
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:50,720
I I want her to forget where 
South Carolina is. 

1666
01:53:51,480 --> 01:53:53,720
I told her so I give you, I give
you 4K in cash. 

1667
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:57,560
Drop you off somewhere on the 
side of the other side of 

1668
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,360
nowhere. 
If you got any common sense, you

1669
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:03,440
keep walking. 
Go get a job at go get a job at 

1670
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:06,320
A at A at a diner somewhere 
working as a waitress. 

1671
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:08,360
Get your shit, get your shit 
right. 

1672
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:13,600
Don't come back. 
They got lunch free here and I'm

1673
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:20,120
here, so just don't come back. 
She was going to take it. 

1674
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:21,960
She was happy. 
She was happy as hell. 

1675
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:25,040
For like 2 days she was happy as
hell. 

1676
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:32,240
I just couldn't get past the 
weather the last day I went over

1677
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:37,320
there, opened the Conex up. 
She burned half the friggin 

1678
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:41,720
building this stuff. 
I mean, she took my ammo racks 

1679
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:44,360
and grabbed. 
Them and did this. 

1680
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:48,440
Holy shit. 
Oh, I'm going to tell you I'm 

1681
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:51,560
not. 
For such a real shit, damn. 

1682
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:54,920
So then what? 
Happened well there was ammo 

1683
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:58,280
everywhere and stuff everywhere 
and she broke the thing and I I 

1684
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:02,520
got her a fan. 
She broke the fan prime and just

1685
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:04,480
can't beat that shit to their 
two day shipping. 

1686
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:13,000
Got her all those. 
There's a pen in there now but 

1687
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:16,880
it came as a 2 pack. 
I had her those to get air 

1688
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:19,120
ventilation. 
I got laners for her so she have

1689
01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:20,680
light. 
I did the best I could to make 

1690
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:24,480
it somewhere livable. 
Got her blankets, got her 

1691
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:26,360
pillows. 
She lit the damn thing on fire. 

1692
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:30,240
I'm surprised she didn't fixate.
That's what I was thinking. 

1693
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:33,080
I'm surprised she didn't when I 
was in the building. 

1694
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:38,480
I mean, I was choking. 
I'm going, holy shit, went to 

1695
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:41,120
get her out and then all of a 
sudden it's like I had a caged 

1696
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:43,280
animal on my hands. 
I don't know what the hell, what

1697
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:46,320
the hell she went from. 
I'm so freaking happy in the 

1698
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:49,000
world to be I'm going to go to 
Tennessee with money and I'm 

1699
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:51,240
going to restart my life. 
And thank you, thank you, thank 

1700
01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:52,360
you. 
To. 

1701
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:57,880
That shit crazy. 
So let me just look that up. 

1702
01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:58,680
I. 
Got you. 

1703
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:01,520
At that point, I tried to walk 
her out of the building. 

1704
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:03,160
I just had enough. 
I walked outside. 

1705
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:04,960
I was trying to calm down her. 
What the hell to do with her, 

1706
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:06,120
what to do with her, what to do 
with her. 

1707
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:10,880
I didn't know. 
I came back in the building. 

1708
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:18,120
She was going nuts. 
Just it wasn't like she was 

1709
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:20,200
emotional about the situation. 
This, this has been days. 

1710
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:23,200
It wasn't like that. 
It was just like serious 

1711
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:28,080
chemical imbalance yet. 
And she walked outside. 

1712
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:30,440
I walked, I walked her outside 
and walked her outside. 

1713
01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:31,640
I put a four in the back of her 
head. 

1714
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:35,160
What gun did you shoot her with?
The same one that you shot 

1715
01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:40,560
Johnny Wood, and that's a Glock.
And that's the same 1 you shot. 

1716
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:42,640
Charlie. 
Charlie what? 

1717
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:45,880
Is my favorite gun just it's. 
Just it's a. 

1718
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:49,200
It's a handy, handy one. 
It's very effective, especially 

1719
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:51,600
if you shoot a. 180. 
Grains, let me ask you this one 

1720
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:55,160
I do have, I do have one 
clarification question with with

1721
01:56:55,160 --> 01:56:59,000
Charlie, OK, because like we 
talked to you before about the 

1722
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:00,840
feet we're missing. 
I didn't tell you. 

1723
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:03,440
My feet I I I know, I know. 
You didn't, I know you didn't 

1724
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:06,400
Animals, whatever 'cause you 
said you had coyotes out there. 

1725
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:09,240
I do. 
When you know how you saying you

1726
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:13,520
you dug out and it kind of 
leaves a little little ramp kind

1727
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:17,760
of thing there. 
When you put him in the the hole

1728
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:19,720
grave, so to speak. 
OK. 

1729
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:23,520
Was he face down? 
Was his head going downhill? 

1730
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:26,200
Was his head coming going up? 
Was he on his back? 

1731
01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:28,640
Do you remember? 
I don't remember. 

1732
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:32,280
I hit tail today. 
So you just hit tilt, He fell 

1733
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:35,600
out. 
All I do is all I do is drive up

1734
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:39,320
there, hit tilt, dropped him out
the way he way he went, the way 

1735
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:41,920
he went the. 
The hole is this way. 

1736
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:42,840
Yes, Sir. 
Did he? 

1737
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:46,360
Ran this way or this way? 
Do you remember? 

1738
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,760
Well, there we got. 
There you go. 

1739
01:57:56,640 --> 01:58:02,040
If if you if you dig. 
Here. 

1740
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:06,600
Going this way and you basically
as you go in, you keep going 

1741
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:08,320
down deeper. 
So it ends up like this. 

1742
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:12,000
Right, right. 
As you go down you I put. 

1743
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:14,080
I don't know why I keep acting 
like I did this. 

1744
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:18,360
A lot of times I did them put 
the dirt to the side, put. 

1745
01:58:18,600 --> 01:58:20,400
The dirt. 
To the side and I put the dirt 

1746
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:22,880
behind it and then when I 
basically just grow down. 

1747
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,960
But there had been a lot of rain
days before this. 

1748
01:58:25,960 --> 01:58:28,160
OK. 
So there was water down there 

1749
01:58:28,760 --> 01:58:31,920
and I got him down as far as I 
could and then I just basically 

1750
01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:35,360
hit the little far forward, hit 
the bucket, hit the get the dirt

1751
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:39,720
as I could behind him, pull it, 
put this dirt, put that dirt and

1752
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:45,800
cover it as best I could. 
I think he was kind of. 

1753
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:50,600
Sideways and you know how the 
two holes? 

1754
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:53,560
Are parallel. 
This so he wouldn't like, let's 

1755
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:55,760
say this is a bed. 
He wouldn't be laying in a like 

1756
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:58,600
head to head to football at the 
headboard at the football. 

1757
01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:00,840
He'd be kind of more catty 
cornered across it. 

1758
01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:03,720
This one way he could be in 
there I I he would never be like

1759
01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:05,240
this one. 
OK. 

1760
01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:07,560
And the the reason? 
So you would have been digging 

1761
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:10,800
from this angle, reaching out. 
Coming back this way, right?