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The biggest thing that I wanted 
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came in was that there was no 
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we've gone too far. 
You're not allowed down this 

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You need to come back, right? 

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So what we had to do was build 
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and, and create them for you so 
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because you've taught your body 
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point that I need to get to. 
Hey, I'm Hyper Mobile, and if 

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you're listening to this, I'm 
guessing you might be too. 

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Hi, my name is Alex and I'm your
Hyper Mobile host. 

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And today we have on Sean 
Thompson. 

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Sean, thank you for being here 
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I'm so excited to have you on. 
You're a level 2 CrossFit 

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trainer. 
You are my coach. 

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Actually. 
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April. 
Yeah, May something like this. 

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Yeah, it's. 
Been going well. 

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It's been going fantastic 
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But yeah, you are my coach and 
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consider you a movement expert. 
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personal situation a little bit,
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struggling in my early 20s, I 
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like what I could do to make 
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do a little bit more than I 
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And although yourself are not 
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very good understanding of 
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that's kind of informed a little
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me. 
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So, Sean, tell me a little bit 
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you had a point in your life. 
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doing rugby and different 
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Tell me a bit about those. 
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cancer. 
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early, had an operation to have 
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didn't have to worry about that 
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supposed to be a six week 
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because it was during winter. 
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they can't give you treatment 
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levels are too low. 
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weekend which for me was it was 
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having been such a sporty kid 
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I wasn't a coach or anything 
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home, getting comfortable with 
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then. 
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some of the fittest times I've 
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through there kind of always 
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breath or walking upstairs, 
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fittest or have to struggle with
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I'd never experienced before. 
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curve for me. 
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especially to when you're a 
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How old were you when you were 
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That 23. 23 So you're going 
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same thing at the time as well. 
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treatment, there was a younger 
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having your chemo come through, 
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older gentleman that I was 
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come through it, I think I 
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and just also the type of things
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being compassionate and 
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anyone in any situation. 
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going through the treatment, I 
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It was really uplifting for me, 
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something that I wanted to do in
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of a difference. 
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I, you know, I can see that in 
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individual, but also in your 
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approach things more broadly. 
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an understanding of what it's 
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a bit with like my experience 
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having a body that can't. 
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whether it's someone dealing 
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someone dealing with HDS or HSD 
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like it's. 
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more about how important or 
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for your like mental health? 
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certainly it's how I, I always 
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this is the happiest hour for me
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I'm like, I'm so happy to be, 
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kind of how exercise affects 
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effects you feel like it has for
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just allowing myself to move 
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steady state training, how much 
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important. 
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myself on it, on it as a coach 
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of their day. 
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It's really great for me because
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end of the day. 
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progressing you with your 
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you to the point that you want 
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time and it's something that you
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really important. 
We all live very busy, stressful

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lives, so if we can have an hour
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that's what it is, right? 
When you make the conscious 

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decision to train for a certain 
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the decision to put focus and 
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energy is demanded of us. 
We have to kind of fill our own 

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cups sometimes, and I think 
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that quiet place and again, I'm 
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That's my problem. 
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listening to this who just don't
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Like we don't have to all like 
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I always try to help my patients
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they don't like exercise. 
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certainly it's like that safe 
refuge sometimes getting to that

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quiet place where you're just 
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that because people here like, 
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gymnastics and people think I'm 
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assistance, which is what we 
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yeah, where we're using the full
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that pull up. 
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gymnastics and we're applying 
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I'm technically producing more 
energy, which is great for me to

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get further. 
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working on those like specific 
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having that progress. 
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patient myself as well as a 
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it's always been critical to 
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generating tension and feeling 

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tension. 
Yes, because people, some people

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everyone's body is different. 
There are people where doing 

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certain sports or certain 
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safe for them and they should 
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and other things where we would 
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bars, for example. 
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different ways to develop 
muscular control in my hip 

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flexors in particular and in my 
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my, you know, my thoracic spine 
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mid back. 
I feel like that's been a huge 

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focus of our work. 
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I think when you came in, 
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situations in Group classes. 
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your gymnastics. 

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We need to find a way to help 

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you understand how we should be 
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ways that we can allow you to do
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had feedback from the floor 
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you were in that position versus
putting you on a rig immediately

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and asking you just to find this
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point, right? 
Yeah, well, hanging, which is 

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not easy to do. 
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attack. 
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getting off to the midline and 
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we go. 
Absolutely. 

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I'm one of those people too. 
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in case they're listeners. 
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situations to me. 
I most people who was able to do

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lifts like a snatch or kind of 
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a pretty reasonable weight. 
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hollow hold off the floor. 
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one second maybe. 
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and it would always irritate my 
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So we really took it back to 
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wish we could kind of see a 
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especially the first ones, 
because again, people think it's

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cool. 
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yeah, I tend to share the stuff 
that looks a bit cooler. 

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But I was mainly just lying on 
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like, hold a position. 
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It's not been glamorous, I will 
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with a, with a personal trainer 
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You mentioned the word coach 
earlier. 

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I think it came up when, when 
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about it or maybe it was before 
this episode when we were 

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talking. 
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because I think it's an 
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I like the word coach. 
Yeah. 

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I prefer if people call me 
coach. 

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Yeah, I'm not saying people have
to call me coach. 

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You know, if if you're talking 
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don't like it when you call me 
your personal trainer. 

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I just find the word personal 
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It's kind of like, oh, you're 
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tell you what to do. 
You do it for the day, you go 

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home, you don't think about 
anything and you come back in a 

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week's time or in two days time 
and we do the same thing again. 

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I feel like a coach is a far 
more collaborative idea. 

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You're going to come in, we're 
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that you are struggling with and
how we can work together to get 

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the best result for you, right? 
And kind of not looking at you 

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as just a just that all this is 
a person that I need to get 

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fitter. 
But what are the things that are

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really going to make a 
difference to Alex so that she 

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doesn't have to keep coming back
to me every week? 

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And we get to a point where she 
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I've left her with enough 
knowledge that it's like, Sean, 

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thank you so much. 
I appreciate it. 

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But you know, I'm now going to 
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my own, right? 
And I, you know, that's kind of 

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what I used to get from coaches 
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They would help you with a skill
as you would develop through the

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age groups and you would move on
to the next coach who was going 

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to teach you, you know, harder 
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And I feel like don't see me as 
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coach who's going to work with 
you to get your toolbox ready so

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that you don't have to keep 
relying on my tools. 

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Absolutely. 
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having a, a longer view in mind 
is key when it comes to you as a

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coach. 
For example, say that in two 

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years I've mastered whatever I 
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My back is now bulletproof. 
We'll talk about the back and 

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driven dealing with this SEC 
because that's been a nightmare.

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But I know like, in some cases 
you might be like Alex, like you

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want to see this specialist 
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whatever, a good coach, they 
have that, that view in mind and

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help people access what they 
need to. 

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I got, I guess to progress. 
And it, it's that it really 

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comes down to caring. 
I think at the end of the day, 

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in terms of let's talk about 
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because it's played an important
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And I know that there's like 
CrossFit, the business or the 

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brand. 
But if we take away kind of the,

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the CrossFit brand for a moment,
what are we, what, what else can

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we call it? 
Like I jokingly call it Alex fit

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when I just do my weird stuff by
myself. 

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Please don't see me CrossFit, 
but what else could Can we call 

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it this type of training? 
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the definition of CrossFit as as
CrossFit as a methodology, it's 

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constantly varied high intensity
functional movement formed over 

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broad time and modal domains. 
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it a different name, it's it's 
mixed modal training and making 

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sure that it's not just the type
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amount of time I train for. 
Sometimes I'm going to train for

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5 minutes and it's going to be a
short aggressive workout. 

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Sometimes I'm going to train for
an hour where I'm sitting on 

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the, you know, rowing machine 
and I'm just kind of working on 

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my aerobic capacity and 
sometimes we're going to be 

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right in the middle where it's 
maybe a 15 to 20 minute workout.

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Or even doing active recovery. 
People forget about how I'm a 

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big fan of recovery. 
No, I think for me that that 

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perfectly sums it up, to be 
honest. 

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But what helped me so much in 
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kind of stumbling upon CrossFit.
So early on in my career, I was 

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working with some professional 
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time. 
I didn't have the money to 

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access a coach or anything. 
I couldn't even even access 

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really like regular gym classes.
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and I would go and just make my 
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really just try to find things 
that didn't cause me pain, which

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is kind of a, a weird trial and 
error system. 

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But I'd be like, can I squat 
today? 

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Can I do like a shoulder press 
or whatever? 

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What can I do? 
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something, you know, whatever I 
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And when I started to learn 
about kind of mixed modal 

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fitness or CrossFit, as I was 
working with at the time, what I

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found so helpful as someone 
whose body would hurt from doing

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weird things, was the infinite 
variety of movements. 

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Like there is, you know, people 
say to me like Alex, what's the 

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best exercise for hypermobility?
You know, as a broad term like 

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is it Pilates? 
Is, is it like strength 

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training? 
What's the best? 

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The truth is there is no 
singular best type of exercise. 

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And what's ultimately not worked
for me has been limiting myself 

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to one thing because I would 
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do too much of it and overtrain 
with that one thing. 

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And I would, you know, it's like
my body would get injured or 

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almost in a sense, you can think
of it as it getting sick of it. 

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You can't live off the same food
every meal for years and years 

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and years. 
It's what I tried to do when I 

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was swimming so much. 
And that's what led to a lot of 

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the injuries and different 
issues I have today. 

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So with CrossFit, I know what 
helped me certainly was having 

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just this variety to look at. 
Should I do, as you said, some 

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steady state training, some, I 
don't know, Turkish get up. 

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So you know, any, there is every
movement imaginable under the 

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sun. 
How does how did scaling help 

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you when you were kind of 
digging yourself out of that 

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hole back when you were dealing 
with recovering from cancer? 

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I mean, just kind of scaling is,
is, is, is a tough one. 

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When you, you enter a room and 
you're not used to doing that, 

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it can be kind of ego driven a 
lot of the time and, and you 

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start to think, oh, well, I'm 
not doing what everybody else is

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doing and those type of things. 
But when you look at it for what

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it is, which is we're modifying 
the workout for you or modifying

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the movement or whatever it may 
be so that you can continue to 

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move and perform and get the 
stimulus that we're looking for.

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It really helps you to 
understand that, oh, what this 

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is actually doing is just 
allowing me to move again, you 

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know. 
So I mean, I remember when I 

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came back from my cancer, I had 
written myself up a workout 

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which was very basic and simple.
And it started with 10 knee push

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ups from the 10 knee push ups. 
I then did I think it was 10 

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alternating lunges, which in the
beginning was a little bit too 

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difficult. 
So we had like a little step 

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onto our outside patio. 
So I started with 10 step UPS 

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onto that and then I would walk 
the length of the guard and come

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back and I would do that again. 
And each week I would try 

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progress and be a little bit 
better. 

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So, you know, eventually after 
I'd done that for about two 

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weeks, the knee push ups started
turning into 5 normal push ups 

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and then five knee push ups and 
the step UPS onto the patio 

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turned into lunges. 
And you know, slowly just 

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started bringing myself back 
that way. 

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And then when I was in the gym 
and it became kind of more 

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technical things, looking at the
lifting again, starting to get 

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my cardio back up, maybe 
intenser intervals on machines 

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or running or mixed modal stuff 
all put together. 

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I had the guidance of a coach 
there who would help me and say,

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look, Sean, you've just come 
back. 

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It's been about four months. 
Let's. 

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Take it a little bit easier and 
that guidance really helped. 

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It just kind of let you know 
where you need it to be. 

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It helps hugely. 
It's why I'm so happy now that 

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I'm in a position where I can 
have some external guidance, 

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because being your own coach is 
really difficult. 

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And that's what a lot of, you 
know, listeners ultimately have 

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to end up doing, is trying to be
their own coach. 

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Either because they've tried to 
access support and they can't 

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find anyone who really is able 
to support them, or, you know, 

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they're just the type, they're 
unable to access support for 

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whatever reason when it comes to
HDS and HSD. 

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I have to talk about the health 
stuff for a SEC. 

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Again, this. 
I always forgot to do the 

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medical disclaimer. 
It's going to, it's in the text.

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OK? 
This is not medical advice in 

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any way, shape or form. 
You need to talk to your 

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appropriately qualified medical 
doctor, healthcare provider for 

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what's right for you. 
But when it comes to HDS or HSD,

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I find a lot of people get very 
nervous about whether or not 

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it's safe to exercise. 
And that nervousness is, it's 

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very reasonable because some 
people can have very serious 

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ways in which they are affected.
I don't remember if, sorry, I 

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don't recall if you remember 
when I first met you and I said,

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hey, like I can't be upside down
for too long because I'll start 

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to get burst blood vessels on. 
My face. 

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You recall this? 
Yeah, very nervous. 

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And I have to be careful with 
pressure in my eyes as I have AI

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have a history of eye surgery. 
There's we have to be, we do do 

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some upside down stuff, but 
we're careful with, with the 

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time domain for that. 
And then also, I think I told 

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you like I will get injured at 
some point, which did happen. 

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And that's just normal. 
And I will, you know, we will 

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manage it as and when it 
happens. 

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But certainly in my case, I'm 
able to do some of that 

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healthcare management myself for
patients who are, you know, 

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trying to find someone to work 
with who's a PT or a coach in 

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the fitness space. 
It's really difficult right now 

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because there are a lot of 
people there. 

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Sorry, there are not many 
coaches or PTS who specialize in

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working with people who are 
hyper mobile. 

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It's a very, very niche area. 
I'm low key trying to get you to

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specialize. 
Let's see. 

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But in terms of making this 
work, I think a really good 

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setup can be if the patient's 
healthcare provider is able to 

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talk with the PT or the coach, 
even if they're not hyper 

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mobility specialists themselves.
And again, that's just a 

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self-proclaimed term. 
Often there's no official exam 

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people take to be able to say 
this. 

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So whether or not someone's good
or not depends on just whether 

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or not they're good. 
But if a patient is not able to 

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find a person who specializes in
this field, certainly having a 

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healthcare provider who's 
willing to kind of talk to that,

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that coach or that PT can be 
really helpful. 

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Because you can be told like, 
hey, the patient can't do this 

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or they can't go above this 
heart rate or whatever. 

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And you then are able to support
them with that. 

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Yeah, I mean, if if you're a 
good coach, when you have 

448
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,440
someone who comes into your 
class environment or into the 

449
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,800
one-on-one environment with you,
you're you're, you're monitoring

450
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,800
them and you're doing tests to 
see what is their range, what 

451
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,080
are their limits, what can they 
do, what they cannot do. 

452
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,920
Obviously with a patient who's a
little bit more specialized, 

453
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,520
getting some sort of feedback 
from the provider to say, look, 

454
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,320
these are the boundaries and 
this is where we want to stay. 

455
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,920
Definitely makes a difference, 
right. 

456
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,640
And I think what I found with 
us, obviously you're very 

457
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,560
knowledgeable about what's going
on with this, which makes my job

458
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,360
a lot easier. 
But even still, just to get 

459
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,920
Peace of Mind for myself when I 
give you something new, I've 

460
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,960
always got you down doing it and
then it's OK. 

461
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,560
How does that feel? 
You know, is this working for 

462
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:32,400
you? 
Is there pain? 

463
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,960
Is there not pain when you're 
doing the kind of homework 

464
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,080
drills that I've given you? 
You're giving me feedback so I 

465
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,640
know what's going on, which then
gives me more confidence when we

466
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,880
have a one-on-one session to 
say, OK, I can push Alex this 

467
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,720
way today and we can try get a 
little bit more out of it or, 

468
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,120
OK, no, that didn't work so well
for Alex. 

469
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,400
So what's another way we can 
think about kind of attacking 

470
00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,040
this problem, not problem, but 
thing that we need to overcome 

471
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,000
to find more tension or to get 
better positions to perform the 

472
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,760
movement that we want to end up 
doing? 

473
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,920
Yeah. 
No, the, the gold is in the 

474
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,080
things you're not good at. 
I really believe that. 

475
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,720
And I, I think again that's 
something from kind of the whole

476
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,640
like mixed modal fitness type of
methodology of like that we have

477
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,120
this broad set of movements and 
the, this all these different 

478
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,920
things we can do. 
What am I not good at and why 

479
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,760
And addressing that's been key 
in terms of working again with 

480
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,720
patients or sorry with clients. 
I should say you are a bit more 

481
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,680
complex. 
I think something that's worked 

482
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,680
really well for us is that you 
don't, as far as I know, like 

483
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,920
there's not a strict like this 
is our 12 week block. 

484
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,840
Week 1 you'll do this. 
Week 2 you'll do this. 

485
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,160
You kind of I, I, I think I've 
also made you have to adjust it 

486
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,680
as you go, but it's felt a lot 
like you kind of look at me and 

487
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,760
where we are and as you, as you 
said, you modify it from there. 

488
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,600
Is that correct? 
Or yeah, no, that is correct. 

489
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,720
I mean, I think you know, you, 
you're going to have programs 

490
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,240
where you want to see 
progression as you go throughout

491
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,840
the program and things like 
progressive overload is, is and 

492
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,680
periodization is important, but 
it's, am I seeing you progress 

493
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,160
week in and week out and that's 
what really matters and managing

494
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,200
that, right. 
So you know, if if I gave you a 

495
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,040
strict 12 week program, you 
probably would have injured 

496
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,280
yourself in the first 3 weeks 
and then you would have tried to

497
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,360
stick to it or I would have 
tried to force you to do it 

498
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,960
again and we would have just 
kept re injuring every three 

499
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,920
weeks. 
And that doesn't work for you. 

500
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,960
And I feel if you're going to do
a system or situation where 

501
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,040
you're one-on-one with someone, 
then it is my responsibility to 

502
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,680
make sure that the service I'm 
delivering to you is completely 

503
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,360
customizable to you. 
Otherwise, as we know in the 

504
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,040
world that we live in now with 
AI and stuff you could just type

505
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,240
into ChatGPT. 
Give me a 12 week. 

506
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,000
I think that happens sometimes 
too. 

507
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,320
Appreciate this is where the 
difference really comes in. 

508
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,560
It's that human connection. 
It's that understanding your 

509
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,800
client and making sure that 
you're working with them to get 

510
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,600
the most out of it, right? 
I don't see you like I see you 

511
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,880
as an athlete and one of the 
things that we can do to help 

512
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,160
you get the most out of your 
fitness to make you feel better.

513
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:19,080
Like you've been speaking about 
how because of your back injury,

514
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,280
you're not going to be able to 
do all the normal classes again.

515
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,640
So from my side, I'm going, OK, 
well, let's do some kind of 

516
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,320
steady straight training 
programming for you because 

517
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,560
that's something you really 
enjoy. 

518
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,080
So you're then still able to get
that enjoyment out of training 

519
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,440
and continue to move, which is 
going to make my job easier when

520
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,880
you're coming and seeing me on 
one-on-one situations because 

521
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,520
you're now conditioned. 
And if I'm asking you to hold 

522
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,440
positions or do some things a 
little bit more, you're where I 

523
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,040
need you to be. 
And I'm also mentally happier, 

524
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,520
like it's people, again, a lot 
of healthcare providers, they 

525
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,280
don't understand that for me to 
not be able to go to the classes

526
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,960
I go to means I can't spend time
in a way that I like to spend 

527
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,760
time with my boyfriend because 
Dave and I go together. 

528
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,960
And I, I'm really sad that right
now that's just the, the risk of

529
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,800
me doing a, a movement and 
pushing myself a bit hard is, is

530
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,320
a bit high. 
And it's just a good, whether 

531
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,200
it's good healthcare, whether 
it's good coaching or personal 

532
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,640
training or whatever, it all 
comes down to a risk benefit 

533
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,760
assessment ultimately. 
So absolutely in my case right 

534
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,960
now because of this injury, 
which we'll get on to more in a 

535
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,520
second, but it's made sense just
to control some variables and 

536
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,320
kind of put me off of my, you 
know, I don't want to get 

537
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,080
tempted by fun movements in the 
class because I'm like a little 

538
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,920
puppy. 
I get tempted. 

539
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,360
I just wanted, there's a point 
when you deal with injuries your

540
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,200
whole life, you just get so sick
and tired of it. 

541
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,320
But that doesn't make it go 
away, unfortunately, which is 

542
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,800
really, really annoying. 
And I think I told you this 

543
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,920
early on too, if you're someone 
with HDS or HSD, injuries take 

544
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,000
longer. 
So for me, I, I had my back 

545
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,880
injury, I think I injured a 
disc. 

546
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,440
I haven't had medical imaging 
just that's a decision I've made

547
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,160
because of my current symptoms. 
But if it's not a disc, it's 

548
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,560
going to be some other dense 
connective tissue structure in 

549
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,240
my low back. 
We know we're looking at like 6 

550
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,080
months of doing everything 
right, which is a long and 

551
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,640
depressing window to be doing 
things. 

552
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,440
Right. 
It's hard to be tied down and 

553
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,320
you know, and not be able to do 
the things you want to do. 

554
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,200
Yeah, but we're still, we're 
still find fun ways. 

555
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,520
That's The thing is it's about 
finding ways to have fun and to 

556
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,200
continue to develop that fitness
and thinking about why this 

557
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,880
injury has happened. 
So in my my case, I'm a tall 

558
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,120
person. 
I'm about 5 foot 10 and I have 

559
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,680
long heavy legs and a long, 
heavy upper body. 

560
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,680
And I'm not surprised that after
years of not developing good hip

561
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,600
flexor strength and good lower 
abdominal strength, and I would 

562
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,000
say I'm relatively weak there 
compared to the rest of me. 

563
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,880
You're like, yeah, she weak, but
I go, you know, it. 

564
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,600
It was, I was kind of due that 
injury, which is annoying, but I

565
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,520
just, I'd never been able to 
find a way to successfully 

566
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,720
strengthen the lower abdominals 
and hip flexors for me because 

567
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,040
it's just it's hard to do these 
things. 

568
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Yeah, no, it is very difficult 
and you know you follow 

569
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,480
traditional fitness things and 
all sit ups is going to take 

570
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,840
care. 
Of it, my neck would hurt. 

571
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,360
That was to make my neck would 
get so painful. 

572
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,720
A night of headaches and I was 
just like this is not for me. 

573
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,960
And then you stop, right, 
Because it's like this isn't 

574
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,400
working. 
It's causing me more pain. 

575
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,280
It's not helping me, it's not 
assisting me. 

576
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,440
And I think in the beginning of 
our journey there, there were 

577
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,440
some things that, you know, 
traditionally I would give this 

578
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,840
to someone and it would be like,
cool, that's going to sort out 

579
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,520
the issue. 
We're going to strengthen there 

580
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,000
and everything will be fine. 
And then you'd come back to me 

581
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000
and you're like, that's not 
really working for me. 

582
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,680
Are there any examples you can 
think of? 

583
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,240
I really like the drill where we
do the hollow hold. 

584
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,200
Yeah. 
And I. 

585
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,880
Know the one. 
Yeah, Within the hollow hold, 

586
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,560
you've got a PVC pipe above your
head. 

587
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,240
That PVC pipe is connected to a 
red band which is connected to 

588
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,160
the rig. 
And Alex has to hold her hollow 

589
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,960
hold position, which is going to
require to be tucked through her

590
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,960
rib cage and her hips. 
And then she pushes down on the 

591
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,120
PVC pipe. 
But obviously this was engaging 

592
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,920
your neck quite a bit, and in 
the beginning it was too much 

593
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,920
for you, right? 
So we scaled it down. 

594
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,640
We started to do the dead bug, 
which again has got you in that 

595
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,000
crunched position, but we were 
able to keep the hands up. 

596
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,640
So we're still looking for that 
engagement through the neck, but

597
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,960
we're dynamically moving the leg
now, and we just strengthened 

598
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,200
you through that way. 
We then kind of would come back 

599
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,880
to hollow rocks, but without the
movement of the yard, hollow 

600
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,320
rocks being moving back and 
forth. 

601
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,200
So there's some dynamicism 
again, but it's not that push 

602
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,800
down which is aggravating the 
neck. 

603
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,840
And we just slowly built you up 
through there. 

604
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,360
And we're at a point now where 
if I give you that drill, you're

605
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,720
able to do it and you don't 
have. 

606
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,320
That yeah, no pain, pain free. 
And I, I think like many people 

607
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,040
who are hypermobile and you do 
see this pattern in people who 

608
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,760
are kind of that hypermobile but
sporty type. 

609
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,480
And again, there are people who 
their health and their bodies 

610
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160
are affected in different ways. 
But for the hypermobile people 

611
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,160
who are kind able to go to the 
gym and you know, carry on with 

612
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,440
some physical activity, very 
often they call it a coat hanger

613
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,240
pain or they'll, they'll hit you
see me hitch my shoulders up all

614
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,080
the time. 
And I think that's probably what

615
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,520
was causing some of my issues. 
And learning and being able to 

616
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,960
develop that scapular control. 
We've worked really hard on 

617
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,280
keeping my shoulder blades where
they should be and finding my 

618
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,000
lots and engaging those like 
that has been instrumental to my

619
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,880
success. 
I'd say certainly so far 

620
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,800
thinking about again, like risk 
and benefit because I, I feel 

621
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,000
like that's something that 
coaches always think about. 

622
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,120
Certainly what's the benefit of 
this exercise? 

623
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,280
You know, what's the risk and 
looking at it from that 

624
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,040
perspective. 
We have talked about different 

625
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,000
health things too. 
So I've told you I love, I love 

626
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,640
rowing on the machines and 
different cardio things. 

627
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,560
I was a swimmer growing up. 
I like my quiet time out, don't 

628
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,680
have to talk to anyone and sit 
on our time listening to like 

629
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,600
Basshunter and really 
embarrassing music. 

630
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,360
But I want to potentially look 
at doing some relatively just 

631
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,800
amateur competition goals. 
And again, a lot of people will 

632
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,960
say, Oh well, you have HS or 
HSD, you know, it's not safe to 

633
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,000
like push yourself physically. 
Again, everyone's situation is 

634
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,760
different. 
My healthcare providers and I 

635
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,640
agree that it is fine for me to 
do that. 

636
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,120
But I had a really great talk 
with one of my doctors and he 

637
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,640
agreed with me when we discussed
this that it would be sensible 

638
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,360
for me to example, get an 
ultrasound of my heart just to 

639
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,880
make sure that it's OK, because 
I like doing long distance 

640
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,960
pieces. 
And it's nice sometimes to have 

641
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,600
other pieces of information just
to lower the risk further. 

642
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,000
So I guess what I'm trying to 
say for anyone listening to this

643
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,560
is just just everyone's 
situation so different. 

644
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,880
And it's for me like the the 
magic, the Triforce, if we call 

645
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,240
it that, from like Legend of 
Zelda, the thing that makes 

646
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,000
really good coaching outcomes 
work. 

647
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,080
And my situation's a bit 
different because I'm healthcare

648
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,840
provider and kind of client 
together, but it's having the 

649
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,040
client, the coach and the 
healthcare provider able to talk

650
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,120
and communicate. 
While you were speaking earlier 

651
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,920
about some of my shoulder 
instability issues, I was 

652
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,800
thinking of a patient that I had
I've had recently who's actually

653
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,360
working with another coach on 
ways to strengthen that shoulder

654
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,720
and prevent dislocation. 
And this is someone who's had a 

655
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,800
history of repeat shoulder 
dislocations. 

656
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,920
And I saw her the other day 
actually at the gym and she was 

657
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,880
so excited because she's like 
Alex, I've gone like XML. 

658
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,320
I can't remember how many 
months, but she's like, I've 

659
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,320
gone months now without a 
shoulder dislocation. 

660
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,960
And it goes to show like, yes, 
there is risk to doing strength 

661
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,560
training for this person. 
They could absolutely, you know,

662
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,280
if they are given an exercise 
that's not correct for them or 

663
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,040
not safe or they even just 
they're doing everything right, 

664
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,880
but maybe they slip or something
happens. 

665
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,960
There is risk to doing exercise,
but there's also risk to not 

666
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,280
yes, doing it. 
There's a lot of risk to sitting

667
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,720
on the couch. 
Right, there's this risk sitting

668
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,560
behind the desk all day. 
Yep, never doing anything. 

669
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,600
Yeah, or lying in bed there's. 
You know, I, I think but 

670
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,600
controversial, but you go to 
doctors, whoever, and they point

671
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,520
out the risks of doing 
something. 

672
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,560
Yep. 
I don't think they ever point 

673
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,120
out the risks of not doing 
something and that being 

674
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,920
exercised right. 
We speak about how I see you as 

675
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,080
an athlete. 
I'm your coach. 

676
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,159
If we had a talking professional
sports relationship, my job as a

677
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:14,480
coach would be to get you on the
field, right? 

678
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,280
Because I need you to perform as
an athlete. 

679
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,480
My job as your coach for 
one-on-one is to keep you 

680
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,080
moving. 
Because I know mentally it does 

681
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,920
a lot for you. 
And also I know that through the

682
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,480
work we've done over the past 
six months, right, you have felt

683
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:37,000
a lot better in all around your 
fitness by simply just focusing 

684
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,560
on finding tension points in 
your body right now when you're 

685
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,760
sitting on the assault bike or 
Echo bike, air bike. 

686
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,080
You know the bike with the arm 
thing? 

687
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,520
The bike with the the worst bike
ever. 

688
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,440
You know you're able to now feel
better tension in your upper 

689
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,800
back, which is something you 
never felt. 

690
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,280
Before that used to give me 
shoulder pain. 

691
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,360
So I would hate the the the bike
with the arm thingies, echo 

692
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,480
bike, whatever. 
I would hate it because I would 

693
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,760
get this grinding pain in my 
shoulder and when I would tell 

694
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,440
coaches about it they were 
confused. 

695
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,120
And again it goes back to my 
shoulder instability. 

696
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,440
I've never had a dislocation, 
but my shoulders are hyper 

697
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,120
mobile and I have a lot of 
history of injury and probably 

698
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,320
some degenerative changes to the
tissues there. 

699
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,040
And it would feel like almost 
like rubbing sandpaper inside my

700
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,080
shoulder. 
Like it just, it felt awful. 

701
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,840
And being able to be on the bike
recently in a workout and 

702
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,440
actually feel that tension in my
upper back and across the 

703
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,240
shoulder girdle, that was really
exciting for me like that, that 

704
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:34,960
brought me joy. 
And I know people get joy in 

705
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,600
different ways, but I was in 
that workout and I don't think 

706
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,640
anyone's been so happy to be on 
a bike doing that. 

707
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,280
And I think for a coach who's 
dealing with someone who, you 

708
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,840
know, has specialist needs, it's
understanding that something as 

709
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,160
simple as that makes a huge 
difference. 

710
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,320
You know, if you're dealing with
a perfect athlete who say comes 

711
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,000
to you because they want to 
learn how to do bio muscle UPS, 

712
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,840
I have that right. 
I have athletes who just want to

713
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,760
learn the really cool gymnastic 
skills. 

714
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,040
And when they get their bio 
muscle up, that's their level of

715
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,640
like, yes, that's the best thing
ever. 

716
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,920
But when you have an athlete 
like yourself or like me, when I

717
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,120
was coming back from my cancer, 
the fact that I was able to do 

718
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:20,120
20 unbroken lunges without 
feeling like I was going to fall

719
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,640
over, that was the best thing 
ever at that point, you know? 

720
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,760
So it's it's about coming and 
meeting your athlete on their 

721
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,600
level. 
Yeah. 

722
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,040
And, and getting the most out of
them. 

723
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,480
And that can be the smallest 
thing. 

724
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,920
You know, I remember when you 
told me about the back and how 

725
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,280
happy you were. 
And I thought to myself, I was 

726
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,880
like, well, I wasn't coaching 
you for that, but I'm glad it 

727
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,240
worked. 
You know, no, it is it. 

728
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,280
Made a huge. 
Difference and I think it's 

729
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,160
because of the positioning of 
the shoulder blades from the I 

730
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,960
have gained muscle mount. 
I've been checking out my back 

731
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,840
in the mirror. 
I'm going to be honest, but it's

732
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,960
really I think got my 
glenohumeral joints what people 

733
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,160
think of as the shoulder. 
I think it's got that in a 

734
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,960
slightly better position now 
where I just have those that 

735
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,320
joint moving as it should 
because the shoulder blade is a 

736
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,760
little bit more secure because 
of that muscle mass. 

737
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,240
Can we talk about tension? 
Because I feel like this is so 

738
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,720
important and I hear you once a 
week. 

739
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,440
I hear you like 100 times be 
like tension, tension, tension. 

740
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,720
Like what is tension and what 
when you're seeing when you're 

741
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,160
working with a hyper mobile 
athlete or hyper mobile client? 

742
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,360
Like why is tension important? 
For me, tension is important 

743
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,440
when we look at gymnastics in 
terms of the the fitness world, 

744
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,840
as keeping the body tight allows
my muscles to work together in 

745
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,800
the chain as efficiently as 
possible to perform the outcome 

746
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,560
that I'm looking for. 
Tension also is really important

747
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,160
because it allows me to 
understand where the safe end 

748
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,680
range of a movement is. 
Yeah, 5%. 

749
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,720
So if I have no tension and I 
can't find tension when 

750
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:53,000
performing a specific movement, 
I have no idea that I'm going 

751
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,440
past the safe point. 
It's like ski, it's like skiing 

752
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,840
off piece. 
Like, you know, like you, you 

753
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,880
want to ski down the the hill. 
You don't want to go through the

754
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,200
trees. 
It's like driving on the road. 

755
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,920
You don't want to drive like off
the road. 

756
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,920
It's it's like that. 
And when I first started really 

757
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,280
getting into fitness, we talked 
about this before the whole this

758
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,520
obsession with full range of 
motion, you know, like the ass 

759
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,320
to grass squat. 
Yeah, I was smashing the front 

760
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,720
of my hip so hard, like going 
all the way down, down, all the 

761
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,440
way up. 
Or when I was hanging off a bar,

762
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,840
I was just pours in movement 
through the front of my shoulder

763
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,480
so aggressively because simply 
because I could. 

764
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,720
And I thought I was doing a good
thing, but this was like a 

765
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,240
decade plus ago because I was 
doing the full range of motion. 

766
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,800
But sometimes full range of 
motion is bad. 

767
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,800
Yeah, 100% because that full 
range of motion for yourself is 

768
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,520
not a safe range of motion. 
You know, we have very different

769
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,800
problems when it comes to 
gymnastics, right? 

770
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,840
You see that when I demo 
movements for you, because I can

771
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,920
see you're kind of looking at my
shoulders and thinking, oh, a 

772
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,360
little bit bad. 
But I, I, I have too much 

773
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,440
tension in my system because I 
have very E mobile shoulders. 

774
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:03,480
So, you know, it's very easy to 
identify when I'm going too far 

775
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,400
because straight away my 
shoulders go, whoa, that's a bad

776
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,400
idea. 
Why are we doing? 

777
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,560
It just feels tight. 
Right. 

778
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,640
It feels really tight and 
sometimes if I push it way too 

779
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,880
far, I have a bit of pain either
in the shoulder or a lot of 

780
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,080
times when we're doing that, 
keep swinging, I'm going into 

781
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,200
the arch. 
I feel it in my lower back. 

782
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,920
So you'll very seldom see me 
over arch because immediately I 

783
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,720
get feedback from my body 
saying, oh, that's a bad place, 

784
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:28,600
don't go there. 
Yeah. 

785
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,440
The biggest thing that I wanted 
to focus on with you when you 

786
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,040
came in was that there was no 
notification to you to say, hey,

787
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,320
we've gone too far, you're not 
allowed down this road, you need

788
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,600
to come back, right? 
And we would just keep going 

789
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,600
down that road. 
So what we had to do was build 

790
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,560
in those tension points for you 
and, and create them for you so 

791
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,960
that you understood where they 
were and now you know where to 

792
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,520
go because you've taught your 
body that, hey, this is the 

793
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,040
tension point that I need to get
to. 

794
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,960
And I think that's a downfall 
for a lot of coaches. 

795
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,280
We can very easily identify when
someone cannot hit the full 

796
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,800
range of motion, but sometimes 
we are a little bit LAX or don't

797
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,560
always see when someone goes 
past the full range of motion 

798
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,240
and then can potentially lead to
unsafe places. 

799
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,800
And since working with you, I'm 
constantly now in the gym, in my

800
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,680
group classes, I'm like, no, 
that's too far. 

801
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,080
You need to come up out of that 
squad or because, you know, now 

802
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,320
it's a lot more obvious to me 
and you can see it. 

803
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,720
I always used to see it on the 
gymnastics swing on the on the 

804
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:39,880
arch because you see a lot of 
especially ladies who rarely go 

805
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,960
too far through the shoulder. 
So I was always aware of that. 

806
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,480
But then, you know, after the 
conversations we had, it was 

807
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,880
like, oh, yeah, this shouldn't 
be actually happening in the 

808
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,720
squats. 
Whereas before, for someone 

809
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:52,000
who's got so much attention, was
like, oh, that's an impressive 

810
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,240
squat. 
And then you go, oh, actually, 

811
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:56,440
no, hold on. 
We're putting ourselves at risk.

812
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,640
Yeah, obviously if it's trained,
you know, like you're going to 

813
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,440
have a weightlifter who trains 
to that range of motion because 

814
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,440
part of their job description is
to get under the heaviest weight

815
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,800
possible, which requires them to
catch that weight as low as 

816
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,520
possible. 
Yeah. 

817
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,520
But they're trained in that 
position. 

818
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,120
Absolutely. 
And they're not doing one Rep 

819
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,920
Max every day. 
So even if I when I only left, I

820
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,800
know I'm doing that much lately 
we have to talk about back in a 

821
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,480
SEC. 
But if you're doing 1 Max, 

822
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,080
you're gonna get shoved down and
it's okay, I think. 

823
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,480
And again, people will disagree 
with me on this and that's fine.

824
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,120
But when it comes to fitness for
the hyper mobile person who 

825
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,360
wants to do it in a relatively 
high level. 

826
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,280
And I'm not a professional 
athlete by any means, but I 

827
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,320
really enjoy the the sports and 
the activities that I do and 

828
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,120
they're important for me. 
But when it comes to doing a one

829
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,560
Rep Max, you will get shoved 
down by the bar. 

830
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,840
And yes, you have to fight it. 
You have to have that technical 

831
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,240
expertise 100%. 
But if you are hyper mobile in 

832
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:53,000
your hip, you're going to go 
down potentially. 

833
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,360
Absolutely. 
You need to be able to come back

834
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,320
up. 
But the key thing here is that 

835
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,160
you shouldn't be doing one Rep 
Max every day. 

836
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,360
If you're doing a lot of big 
volume of those squats and 

837
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,120
you're being shoved down, you 
know, then it's a huge issue. 

838
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,440
Or again, if you're doing a one 
Rep Max and your knee moves in a

839
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,760
tiny bit, you're dealing at the 
maximum capacity of your ability

840
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,640
to move. 
And again, that type of 

841
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,760
technical quirk I think is 
tolerable in that very, very 

842
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,680
limited Rep range. 
But if that athlete has that 

843
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,720
those knees diving in day in, 
day out, that's going to cause 

844
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:25,360
huge problems. 
So I think again, like I'm so 

845
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,800
grateful I had the time I had 
working with these professional 

846
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,760
athletes because it taught me to
think about, you know, risk 

847
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,920
benefit assessment in different 
Rep ranges or different volume 

848
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,560
ranges for different types of 
fitness. 

849
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,760
Yeah, I mean, definitely. 
And it's, it's applying that, 

850
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,040
right. 
Because at the end of the day, I

851
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,200
think trying to avoid something 
is also going to lead to 

852
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,280
disaster. 
You know, sometimes you can't 

853
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,200
help it. 
Sometimes in everyday life 

854
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,080
you're going to get forced in it
to a position or a range that 

855
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,880
you're not supposed to be. 
But the better prepared I've 

856
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,040
made my body to handle that, the
better off I'll be. 

857
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,360
Absolutely, yeah, it's whether 
you like it or not, eventually 

858
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,080
that end range will come for you
and we want to be careful. 

859
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,800
This is a question I get asked 
all the time on social media, 

860
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,040
Like should I be training 
movements, you know, should I 

861
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,600
let my elbow hyperextend or 
whatever when I'm doing a 

862
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,480
finishing a push up or 
something, I don't know, 

863
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,840
overhead press or whatever. 
And The thing is, look, ideally 

864
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,320
you're not going to be going 
deep into that hyperextension 

865
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,600
and range all the time. 
But if you do that on a, you 

866
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,840
know, a low volume set or it's 
being done in a controlled way, 

867
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,360
ideally with the supervision of 
a coach who's knowledgeable, 

868
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,640
then it's, it's possible there 
may even be some benefit when 

869
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,280
life forces you into that 
position and you have to put 

870
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,160
your arm out to catch yourself 
or something. 

871
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,640
It's, I think it's I like the 
same from spider man. 

872
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,720
This is really random. 
But with great power comes great

873
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:52,840
responsibility. 
With great range of motion comes

874
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,000
great responsibility. 
And I have quite muscular 

875
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,560
shoulders that are kind of, you 
know, well developed because I 

876
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,720
need to be able to stop my 
shoulder from going there or 

877
00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:04,400
being prepared for when it does 
inevitably go into that end 

878
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:04,880
range. 
Yeah. 

879
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,440
So that's, that's how I like to 
handle it. 

880
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,440
And again, there will be some 
people listening where that's 

881
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,120
not safe for them. 
And if that's not safe for you, 

882
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,960
you've been told that do what's 
safe for you. 

883
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,040
OK. 
But if it is safe for you to 

884
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,840
train, I think there are ways 
you can certainly try and 

885
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,040
improve your fitness. 
Let's talk a little bit about 

886
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,760
kind of, we've touched before on
kind of dysautonomia because a 

887
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,080
lot of people, myself included, 
will find that they feel a bit 

888
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,360
nauseous or a bit sick when 
they're exercising. 

889
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,000
And this is because some people 
who are hypermobile, they get 

890
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,400
lightheaded when they're 
changing body positions. 

891
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,680
So I have orthostatic 
hypotension. 

892
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,440
And what that means is that when
I go from being basically in a 

893
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,320
horizontal position to being 
upright, or if I'm doing that 

894
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,640
repeatedly, I previously would 
start to feel really unwell. 

895
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,400
I still will sometimes get a bit
dizzy, although it's not too 

896
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,920
often for me. 
And I have to say that I think 

897
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,160
my fitness journey has actually 
really helped me with that. 

898
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,440
Can you talk a little bit just 
about kind of blood flow 

899
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,200
diversion and how that can 
affect body functioning just in 

900
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,600
a general sense? 
Yeah, I mean in a in a general 

901
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,680
sense, if we looked at mixed 
modal training. 

902
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,120
So let's take a workout where 
I'm going to do a 400 meter run.

903
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,720
Yeah. 
And following that 400 meter 

904
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,840
run, I'm then going to go into 
instead of Max pull ups. 

905
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:23,440
OK, if I started off with the 
Max pull ups and did no running 

906
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,920
those pull ups, I would let's 
say hit 10. 

907
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,560
I then go on my 400 meter run 
and when I come back inside, 

908
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,920
it's a little bit harder to get 
those 10. 

909
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Obviously, there are many 
reasons for this. 

910
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,200
My heart rate's a little bit 
higher, I'm a little bit more 

911
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,680
fatigued. 
But one of the reasons why this 

912
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,920
is happening is because all of 
my blood flow has been diverted 

913
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,880
to my legs, right? 
Switching off, keeping blood in 

914
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,320
the essential places it needs to
be. 

915
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,320
But my body goes, hey, we're not
really using our arms. 

916
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,200
The muscles in the legs are 
really screaming out for more 

917
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,880
oxygen. 
So we're going to pump as much 

918
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,400
blood down there as we can. 
You come inside from your run, 

919
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,360
you've just sneaked up ninja 
your body and said, oh, wait, 

920
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,800
hold on. 
We're going to jump on the rig 

921
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,080
and we're going to start 
pulling. 

922
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,520
And now your body immediately 
goes, oh, wait, hold on. 

923
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,400
We got to shut off blood flow to
the legs and now pump it all the

924
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,040
way up to the body. 
And that's a hard thing to do. 

925
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,960
I want to say from a 
physiological perspective like 

926
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,520
that is I'm, I'm amazed that 
we're, you know, I'm amazed that

927
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,320
we're functioning all the time. 
The body's incredible. 

928
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,560
But getting blood flow from your
legs up is defying graffiti, 

929
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,280
literally. 
Really, really difficult. 

930
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,600
And that's one of the kind of 
keys to the secret source about 

931
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:37,120
mixed modal functional training.
You know, CrossFit is, is, is 

932
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,120
that we have this type of 
training where yes, you work in 

933
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,360
your muscles, but you're also 
working the blood flow, the 

934
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,360
central nervous system, telling 
it where to send blood, how to 

935
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,760
do this, how to do that. 
So with the type of training 

936
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,720
that you've done over the years,
the kind of in my head makes 

937
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:57,800
sense. 
And we had a conversation about 

938
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,160
this after one PT session, why 
you would feel a little bit 

939
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,480
better prepared to now handle 
that dizziness that you would be

940
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,120
used to from going from down 
here to up all of a sudden. 

941
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,080
Because through the training 
you've done, you've trained your

942
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,800
body to better handle and 
process that. 

943
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,400
Yeah, just to literally cope 
with it, I think again, and I 

944
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,440
know this is, this is 
controversial stuff, this is 

945
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,560
just my opinion on this as well.
But although there are different

946
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,080
ways to manage this type of 
dysautonomia, so the the 

947
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,760
umbrella term is orthostatic 
intolerant. 

948
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,640
Some people have pot, some 
people have orthostatic 

949
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,720
hypotension, there are 
medications and people should 

950
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:41,320
ideally be under the care of a 
cardiologist and checked out. 

951
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,400
I love safety. 
I'm very keen on that. 

952
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,160
But I have to say anecdotally 
that doing types of training 

953
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,640
which have focused on, as you 
say, like that diversion of 

954
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,640
blood flow, even though I didn't
know that's what I was doing at 

955
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,320
the time, as I think at least 
it's correlated with a really 

956
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,240
big improvement in my symptoms. 
I remember a workout I was with 

957
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,920
an athlete's parents, actually, 
they were in like their 50s at 

958
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,600
the time or 60s, and they were 
doing all these burpees. 

959
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,600
And I was trying to do burpees 
with them. 

960
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,600
I was in my mid 20s. 
I thought I should absolutely be

961
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,880
able to do this. 
And I just felt so like sick and

962
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,240
like, it's this nausea and 
Lightheadedness. 

963
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:19,000
And again, we want to be safe. 
We don't want people passing out

964
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,480
and some people will pass out. 
So again, these are the people 

965
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,880
where they need to be doing 
exercise like on the floor in a 

966
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,960
safe and controlled way for 
them. 

967
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,160
But in my case, I, I knew I 
wasn't going to actually like 

968
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,560
lose consciousness. 
I just felt gross basically. 

969
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,040
And for me, it was always one of
those like, why am I so bad at 

970
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,440
this? 
And I've just always been one of

971
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,160
those people where I look at 
what I'm bad at and I'm like, 

972
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,480
can I find a way to get better 
at this? 

973
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,600
So I thought it was just that 
because I'm tall, my heart rate 

974
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,400
is maybe getting a bit spiked 
from, you know, changing body 

975
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,200
position. 
It's a long way. 

976
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,560
It is a long way. 
And I became obsessed with 

977
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,280
burpees too. 
Technically I'm like, am I doing

978
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,240
the technique right? 
Like I wanted to know everything

979
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:58,440
because I, I like to try and 
find ways to be better at the 

980
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,800
things that I'm, I'm not good 
at. 

981
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,040
But I started to do burpees in a
more slow and controlled and 

982
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,920
casual way. 
I became more aggressive with 

983
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,080
scaling again. 
So I would just scale the 

984
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,160
numbers. 
I wanted to feel safe while I 

985
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,960
was doing them. 
I started also going to the gym 

986
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,600
and being on the skier because I
noticed I got the same feeling 

987
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,120
when I was on the skiing 
machine. 

988
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,920
And again, we have that upright 
body position to that kind of 

989
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,640
bent over body position. 
And I was feeling like, yeah, I 

990
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,400
was feeling woozy. 
But what I found helpful was 

991
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,680
actually using my chest strap 
heart rate monitor at the time, 

992
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,280
figuring out because of the the 
rowing I've done previously, I 

993
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,880
know my kind of like steady 
state heart rate range where I 

994
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,280
feel really safe and really 
comfortable making a rule that, 

995
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,560
OK, I'm not going to pass this 
heart rate range. 

996
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,560
And then doing these kind of 
slightly longer pieces like I do

997
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,840
5 to 10 minutes on the ski 
machine, really slow and chill, 

998
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,520
just having that heart rate 
there. 

999
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,480
I mean, overtime, I think that's
absolutely improved my ability 

1000
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,760
to port blood around my body. 
Yeah, One thing I want to touch 

1001
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,360
on too, with some blood flow and
training as well, is so we 

1002
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,040
haven't talked that much. 
We've talked a fair amount about

1003
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,080
hypermobility, but you like, 
again, you're not a specialist 

1004
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,840
in this field yet, although I 
absolutely think you should 

1005
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,080
become one. 
But one of the big issues people

1006
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,200
have is getting this blood flow 
moved around their body in a way

1007
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,320
that helps their body do what 
they need to do. 

1008
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,600
So it'll be those people that 
stand up and get dizzy or this 

1009
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:18,920
type of thing, as we've talked 
about. 

1010
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,320
But another common symptom is 
that people will feel unwell 

1011
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,760
after eating. 
And that's partly, there can be 

1012
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,080
different reasons for this, but 
one reason can be that their 

1013
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,760
blood is kind of going to all be
concentrated in their digestive 

1014
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,480
system, their bodies focusing on
that. 

1015
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,520
They then go to do something 
like for example, stand up or do

1016
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,760
something physically that has 
some physical exertion element 

1017
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,840
to it and they will then feel 
really unwell. 

1018
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,200
So I think finding ways to kind 
of safely, I, I call, I tell my 

1019
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,040
patients, we're like micro 
dosing cardio, but finding ways 

1020
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,160
to do where we're really safe 
and in control is critical. 

1021
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,560
We bonded early on a little bit 
over rowing and steady state 

1022
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,080
training. 
Can you, I've tried to tell 

1023
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,360
people what it is. 
I actually have a guide on 

1024
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,800
Amazon where I tried my best to 
explain it from a uniquely 

1025
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,080
hypermobile perspective, might I
add. 

1026
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,360
But tell me a little bit about 
steady state training and why 

1027
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,560
it's so helpful for health 
reasons. 

1028
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,360
Steady state training is really 
helpful because it's working 

1029
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,520
your aerobic system. 
So that's everything to do with 

1030
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,480
our breathing, your cardio, kind
of your respiratory system. 

1031
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,760
Yeah. 
What's really great about steady

1032
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,960
state training, if you're 
looking at it from a kind of 

1033
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,120
scientific way, and I'm not 
really that scientific, but the 

1034
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,760
more cardio, the more steady 
state training I do, the better 

1035
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,480
my blood flow or the more my 
blood flow has to work. 

1036
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,360
Yeah, Right. 
And what happens is the 

1037
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,880
capillaries that are attached to
your muscles grow because your 

1038
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,040
muscles demanding more blood. 
Yeah. 

1039
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:46,960
We know our bodies are very 
smart, right? 

1040
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,280
So. 
So adapters. 

1041
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,040
Yeah, and it goes, oh cool, this
muscle wants more blood. 

1042
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,440
I'm struggling to send it that 
blood with the one capillary to 

1043
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,520
that muscle. 
So I'm going to add in another 

1044
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:58,840
four. 
Yeah, right. 

1045
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,200
And three time and doing more 
and more steady state training. 

1046
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,320
Your capillaries grow so the 
delivery of blood to that muscle

1047
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,120
becomes better, right. 
It's like, you know, getting the

1048
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,840
Uber driver to deliver you one 
massive food thing and expecting

1049
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,560
him to fit it in for feed of 10 
people. 

1050
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,040
It's not going to happen. 
You're probably going to have 

1051
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,640
three Uber scooters rock up 
instead of just the one. 

1052
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,160
Yeah, yeah. 
You want you want that delivery 

1053
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,560
to happen in an organized way. 
The one scooter going back and 

1054
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,080
forth, back and forth, you know 
they're going to put it in three

1055
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,840
scooters and send it off to you 
once. 

1056
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,800
Yeah. 
Probably a very weird way to 

1057
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,320
explain that I had some. 
It was slightly confused me for 

1058
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,760
a minute, but I do get it now. 
It's about the efficiency. 

1059
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,240
Basically how efficiently can 
you deliver what the muscle 

1060
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:46,920
needs to function. 
And there is ample research. 

1061
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,840
Again, if you want to read about
steady state training, I 

1062
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,840
encourage you to do it as sports
gets lots of money in research. 

1063
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,920
High probability stuff does not 
get so much research. 

1064
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,280
So I have to say that I do often
end up role-playing, you know, 

1065
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,560
pretending that I am a 
professional athlete and looking

1066
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,720
at what they're doing and 
finding ways to apply it to my 

1067
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,920
own health. 
But when it comes to this type 

1068
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,120
of steady state training, we see
that we get this improvement in 

1069
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,360
efficiency of the cardiovascular
system because of the 

1070
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,840
capillaries that are being 
built. 

1071
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,560
I have to say one reason I fell 
in love with steady state 

1072
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,640
training too is because it makes
me feel warmer. 

1073
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,640
So I get really painfully cold 
if I don't do cardio, which is 

1074
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:21,840
why we have the bike in the 
flat. 

1075
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,480
We have a tiny flat, but I've 
insisted on a bike in it. 

1076
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:29,880
If someone doesn't do this type 
of training, so let's say that 

1077
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,840
they're not doing any cardio. 
The general message out there 

1078
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,320
for people who are hyper mobile 
is strength train, strength 

1079
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,520
train, strength train. 
And I love strength training. 

1080
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,680
I love all fitness, but if 
someone's making their muscles 

1081
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,160
bigger but they don't have those
delivery drivers or they don't 

1082
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,240
have the infrastructure as I 
think about it with the 

1083
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,920
capillaries, what happens in 
that situation? 

1084
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,720
Well, if we carry on with the 
metaphor. 

1085
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:55,520
Yeah, let's do it. 
Right, You used to live really 

1086
00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,800
close to your favorite eat out 
place and your driver only had 

1087
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,280
to take 5 minutes to get to your
house. 

1088
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,400
Dream situation dream. 
Situation right Order as you 

1089
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,240
need it. 
The more strength training you 

1090
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:14,760
do, the bigger your muscles get.
Strength training doesn't kind 

1091
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,040
of entice that cardiovascular 
response that we look for. 

1092
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,560
That increases the capillaries, 
but your muscle grows. 

1093
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,440
So what happens now is you had 
to up and leave. 

1094
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,120
You had to change flats. 
You now live 15 minutes away 

1095
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,200
from your favorite eat out 
place. 

1096
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,000
So when you call to get your 
food delivered, it's now going 

1097
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,320
to take that much longer to get 
to go where you need it to be. 

1098
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,680
So I might be a lot stronger, 
but when I actually have to use 

1099
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,240
those muscles and now want to 
get my food, it's not as 

1100
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:48,920
efficient as coming to me as it 
was before. 

1101
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,880
Whereas if I strength train, 
right, and I think about doing 

1102
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,080
cardiovascular work at the same 
time, right, we never want to 

1103
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,840
specialize into one more than 
the other because as a human, we

1104
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,320
need to be able to get our heart
rate up, but we also need to be 

1105
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,800
resilient to handle external 
loads, right? 

1106
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,120
We want to be doing these things
together so I can be as 

1107
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,760
efficient as possible. 
Whereas if I just strength 

1108
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,120
train, it's not going to help my
cardiovascular system. 

1109
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,400
It's going to make me stronger. 
But those muscles are not going 

1110
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,600
to be able to work for as long 
as you were hoping, right? 

1111
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,360
It's kind of like, take a 
bodybuilder, ask him to walk up 

1112
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,240
a flight of stairs. 
He's probably going to be just 

1113
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:37,720
as out of breath as an untrained
person would, right? 

1114
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,960
It's the same as you take a 
marathon runner and you ask him 

1115
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,920
to lift heavy weights. 
He's going to struggle as much 

1116
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,120
as an untrained person would. 
If you find someone who's in the

1117
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,280
middle who says let's they do 
this mixed modal training that 

1118
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,480
we've been talking about, 
They're not going to lift as 

1119
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,600
heavy as the bodybuilder and 
they're not going to run as fast

1120
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,120
as the marathon runner over that
long distance. 

1121
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,040
But they will perform both of 
those tasks a lot better than an

1122
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,120
untrained person would, if that 
makes sense. 

1123
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:10,560
No, that makes complete sense. 
It was making me think of 

1124
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,240
actually the whole concept of 
GPP as you call it. 

1125
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:16,200
I'll get you to define that in a
second, But no, when when 

1126
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,640
working with patients or 
clients, I think it's critical 

1127
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,320
to always think about like what 
they need to do with their, 

1128
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,280
their body, you know, do they 
need to carry groceries? 

1129
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,680
Do they need to go up a flight 
of stairs? 

1130
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,040
Like what does their life 
require of them? 

1131
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,240
And the best approach for most 
people, as you said, it's going 

1132
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:31,800
to be to do a combination of 
different types of training. 

1133
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,440
It's not strength is good and 
cardio is bad or even aerobic 

1134
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,600
cardio is good or anaerobic 
sprinting is bad. 

1135
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,480
You know, everything has its 
role and everything can be 

1136
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,640
scaled for the most part in 
different ways. 

1137
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,160
I think people forget this like 
we I could make a strength 

1138
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,120
program that my 92 year old 
grandpa could do. 

1139
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,200
I can add in a cardiovascular 
component to it and I'd add in 

1140
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,800
some balance and proprioception 
based exercises as well. 

1141
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,000
Because I think that's kind of 
how I just really try to 

1142
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,720
simplify the fitness world and 
think about it in my brain when 

1143
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:05,840
plugging things together when it
comes to trying to find ways to 

1144
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,120
just improve people's overall 
health. 

1145
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,640
Can you tell me a little bit 
about GPP and how that kind of 

1146
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,920
guides you in management? 
So GPP, we think general 

1147
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,720
physical preparedness and that's
basically if I'm looking at a 

1148
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,000
client in front of me, as you've
just been saying, yeah, how can 

1149
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,560
I best prepare them for their 
day? 

1150
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,080
Yeah. 
So one of the things that's 

1151
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,600
really important to us with the 
group coaching and training that

1152
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:33,600
we do at our gym is making sure 
that people are very strong at 

1153
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:39,160
getting up off the floor, right?
That people have strong legs and

1154
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,520
that people have a strong 
cardiovascular system. 

1155
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,600
So burpees get a bad rap, right?
But burpees are really good for 

1156
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,640
you because if I'm able to 
burpee, I'm able to get up off 

1157
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,120
the floor. 
And when I'm younger or 

1158
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,040
middle-aged, if I can do a lot 
of burpees, this bodes well for 

1159
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,880
me. 
Because as I get older, I 

1160
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,280
maintain the mobility to get up 
and off the floor. 

1161
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,920
I maintain the strength to get 
up and off the floor. 

1162
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,840
And that means I'm less 
dependent on other people. 

1163
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:09,200
So if I'm at home and I fall 
over, I'm able to get myself 

1164
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,760
back up and I'm now not in a 
situation where I'm potentially 

1165
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,400
stuck there until somebody comes
to visit me, which could be very

1166
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,800
dire. 
Yeah, right. 

1167
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,800
It's no with the fall example, 
we still talk about the back 

1168
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,240
injury a second at some point I 
got injured. 

1169
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,440
We've been figuring out ways to 
manage it. 

1170
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,840
But with I fell recently as 
well, I fell really badly 

1171
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,920
running for the train and people
are offering to help me Like 

1172
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,520
that's, you know, it's bad when 
when people like, are you OK? 

1173
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,600
And I have to say, having 
fractured my wrist previously, I

1174
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,840
was so expecting to have 
fractured something 100%. 

1175
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,360
Like I was really worried. 
You've seen me. 

1176
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,280
It was the sand, actually, but 
we've been careful with it 

1177
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,320
because I was so nervous, but I 
didn't fracture it. 

1178
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,480
And I do think we will never get
a study funded on this. 

1179
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,560
If you're listening and you want
to fund the study, please do. 

1180
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,240
But I do wonder if doing burpees
for years has helped me get 

1181
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,160
better at just dealing with my 
body weight through my wrist and

1182
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,720
through my hand and coming out 
of that uninjured in that kind 

1183
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,120
of general physical preparedness
sense. 

1184
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,200
It supports me and living my 
life and dealing with what comes

1185
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,320
up, whether that's falling over 
over at the tender age of like 

1186
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,680
33 or you know, other things 
that my life requires. 

1187
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,440
To touch on the back injury, I 
have to say that the core 

1188
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,880
strength that we've been 
focusing on developing for me, 

1189
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,280
as we talked about earlier, it's
something I know I've always 

1190
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:26,440
been not as strong and and I 
look at it as a way not only to 

1191
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,960
try and achieve some of the 
sporty things. 

1192
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,720
Of course I have goals, OK. 
I like, I like my fitness stuff.

1193
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,040
But it helps me to kind of make 
sure I can work long term and 

1194
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,560
make sure, you know, if I ever 
did become pregnant or had 

1195
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,920
something physically challenging
happened to my body, have a 

1196
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,400
health set back of some other 
kind that we've built up that 

1197
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,920
buffer of fitness high enough 
that I then have a place I can 

1198
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,200
fall from. 
Yeah. 

1199
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,440
Instead of going from kind of 
just functioning to, you know, 

1200
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,960
being really unwell, I'm going 
from being relatively very, you 

1201
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,520
know, athletic or physically fit
to then less so. 

1202
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,080
And it just buys you time and 
the ability to come back. 

1203
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,880
And I think, you know, it's very
easy to point out examples that 

1204
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,360
are based off of strength 
training. 

1205
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,120
You know, if, if I have strong 
legs and I'm able to squat, 

1206
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,240
chances of me being able to 
assess people all the time, you 

1207
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,880
know, sit up and get off the 
toilet by yourself without 

1208
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,680
having to worry about getting 
help to do that or having to 

1209
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,480
have special things kind of 
fitted in your bathroom. 

1210
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,040
But it, it doesn't just come 
down to that, it the stronger 

1211
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,000
your cardiovascular system are 
there is the healthier you will 

1212
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,200
be and the better you'll be able
to fight off some of the kind of

1213
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,720
chronic diseases that we start 
seeing to come into play. 

1214
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:43,760
I had a guy who I worked with, 
this was just after I got my 

1215
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,520
cancer. 
I think it was around 2017 for 

1216
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,880
him. 
We both did CrossFit because we 

1217
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,840
worked at a company that sold 
CrossFit equipment. 

1218
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,000
So we both believed in, in this 
thing. 

1219
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,000
And he got really bad blood 
clots. 

1220
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:02,200
They went towards his heart and 
he got admitted to the ER and 

1221
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,200
you know, he's on blood thinners
to this day and he has to be 

1222
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,040
very careful about what he does 
now. 

1223
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,120
But when he came out of the 
whole ordeal, his doctor said to

1224
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:16,960
him, if you were not as fit as 
an individual as you were, you 

1225
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,880
would be dead right now, right? 
So staying healthy in all 

1226
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,600
aspects and not just trying to 
be as strong as possible or kind

1227
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,160
of as fit as possible, able to 
run as far as I can, but being 

1228
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,760
right. 
Somewhere in the middle is this 

1229
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,960
idea of GPP. 
You know, I'm not specializing. 

1230
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,880
I'm being generally physically 
prepared for anything and 

1231
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,640
everything that comes my way, 
which for people with 

1232
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,240
hypermobility is probably the 
best thing you can be. 

1233
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,720
Oh, absolutely. 
Deal with so many different 

1234
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,880
situations where you're going to
be tested by things. 

1235
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,680
Oh for sure. 
These unexpected movements, 

1236
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,360
you're just more prone to them 
because you might step funny or 

1237
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,120
you know, things happen more 
often. 

1238
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,040
No, I have to say when I work 
with patients and I try and be 

1239
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,240
that bridge. 
So you know, there's like a gym 

1240
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,200
facility in my clinic. 
So I'll do, I will like trial 

1241
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,000
exercise with exercises with 
them and then I try to refer 

1242
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,840
them and then communicate 
through that referral. 

1243
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,720
As you know from having worked 
with my patients. 

1244
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,480
But it's a, for me, it's about 
finding almost that fitness 

1245
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,240
multivitamin, that's what I call
it. 

1246
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,080
So it's like, or what's your 
broccoli as I like to say. 

1247
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,720
So it's like finding that little
workout, whatever it is, where 

1248
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,720
they're able to do something, it
feels good. 

1249
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,200
It targets some of that GPP 
aspect or some of that kind of 

1250
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,960
Health Protection. 
You know, what are they prone 

1251
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,160
to? 
Do they have a history of ankle 

1252
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,120
sprains that we need to address,
a history of getting, you know, 

1253
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,680
light headed and they want to 
try and work on their 

1254
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,360
cardiovascular fitness. 
Or maybe they're like me and 

1255
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,200
they have shoulder issues and 
they need some more muscle to 

1256
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,640
help with that stability there. 
But finding that like Alex's 

1257
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,000
perfect multivitamin of a 
workout or whatever, I think 

1258
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,840
that totally is like one of the 
best investments and 

1259
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,400
interventions someone who's 
hyper mobile can make, 

1260
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,280
especially if they're a young 
person and they are going to the

1261
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,600
gym anyways. 
Like, why not just do it in a 

1262
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,240
way that benefits your health 
long term? 

1263
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:08,320
100%, Sean, thank you so much 
for being with us today. 

1264
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,920
Is there anything that you'd 
like to say just briefly in 

1265
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,200
terms of like, I guess stuff 
that you've learned from working

1266
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,800
with me or you know, future 
considerations for people who 

1267
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,680
are hyper mobile? 
I hope I've inspired you to want

1268
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,520
to work with We're hyper mobile 
clients. 

1269
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,240
Yeah, definitely I you've 
inspired me with with my 

1270
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,800
one-on-one coaching and and 
helped me to think of things 

1271
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,040
different ways. 
And it's, it's been really, it's

1272
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,280
been really great to work with 
you. 

1273
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,320
Thank you. 
Because I feel like it's forced 

1274
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,120
me to kind of look at things 
differently, which helps me to 

1275
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:44,360
grow as as a coach. 
I think from my side, the 

1276
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,800
biggest thing is that if you are
a little bit nervous and you are

1277
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,000
out there and you're a bit 
tentative about doing training 

1278
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,320
or getting involved with 
something, whether it's because 

1279
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,200
you are hyper mobile and you 
have previous, you know, things 

1280
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,240
that you have to worry about. 
Or like myself, back in the day 

1281
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,480
where I struggled coming back 
from chemotherapy starts more. 

1282
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:09,200
You know, it doesn't have to be 
this massive crazy thing that 

1283
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,600
you do. 
It can be the smallest thing. 

1284
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,240
And if you find the right person
who aligns with you, who you get

1285
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,360
along with, who you have a 
connection with, they can really

1286
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,720
help you through through that 
journey. 

1287
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,440
You know, we, we've been talking
fitness and I just want people 

1288
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,840
to take away the idea that, you 
know, fitness could be going 

1289
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,360
outside right now and walking 
around your block and coming 

1290
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,640
back inside. 
You're just getting up off the 

1291
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,400
couch. 
Getting up off the couch 10 

1292
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,520
times before you decide to go 
walk around the block. 

1293
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,640
Or even twice, you know, there 
is you can scale things 

1294
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,400
infinitely and there is usually 
some way to move for most 

1295
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,240
people. 
And I think absolutely, you 

1296
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,360
know, for patients or put people
out there looking to exercise, 

1297
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,000
that's great for them, for 
personal trainers and coaches in

1298
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,600
the space as well. 
What I want to say is like, 

1299
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,560
don't be scared of people who 
are hyper mobile, you know, talk

1300
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,760
to them, learn about the 
relevant health issues, try and 

1301
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,320
talk to their healthcare 
providers if you. 

1302
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,800
But I'm convinced that the best 
way we can help a lot of people 

1303
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,320
is by having healthcare 
providers talk with personal 

1304
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,600
trainers and coaches and then 
talk with clients. 

1305
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,680
And we all, like, work together.
I think that open communication 

1306
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,400
chain, right? 
We are constantly talking at the

1307
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,480
beginning of our sessions about 
how are we feeling about this, 

1308
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,200
How are we feeling about that? 
And we're just building on that 

1309
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,160
every week. 
And I'm taking what you know, 

1310
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,240
and I'm taking kind of how I see
you responding to things. 

1311
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,680
And I'm letting you know, OK, 
these are the things we should 

1312
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,040
look out for. 
And then you're giving me 

1313
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,600
constant feedback, and it's just
this feedback loop. 

1314
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,680
And that's why I like to be 
called a coach, right? 

1315
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,480
Because I'm not just having you 
come in and say, all right, this

1316
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,240
is what you're doing today. 
You're going to do that. 

1317
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,000
It's collaborative. 
And if you're doing that with 

1318
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,560
your fitness, you'll be in a 
good place. 

1319
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,320
Absolutely, Sean, thank you so 
much again for your time. 

1320
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,440
It's been a pleasure to have you
on and I hope to have any of you

1321
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,440
listening or watching and join 
next time. 

1322
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,880
Be sure to subscribe, be sure to
leave a review if you can, and 

1323
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,080
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book. 

1324
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:00,120
Take Care. 
Bye.