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Are guest today is dr. Kurt Sellberg a wellre non
spezialist in equine diagnostic Imaging curts deep connection to
horses started long, bevor his clinical training he greop on a
family oned quarda horse ranch in north idaho and early
foundation that clearly shaped his career.
He begin is Formel path at Washington State University,
we're he're he'd earn his doctor it in veterinar Medicine.
Falled by an intensive Sports Medicine Internship and Virginia
from there he move to call out a state University to specialize
in diagnostic imaging today court is a board certifi
radiologies and a deplimate of the american college of
veterinary radiologies titles that markhim as an a lead expert
in reading, the complex scans of the equine Buddy Infekt you was
a founding member of the specific supsicity for equine
diagnostic imaging. Afferre Stint as an Assistant
Professor of the University of Georgia Court Return to Call
Rado State in twenty Sixteen. We're in now focus is on muscul
skuital imaging be on the clinic, you're find im
electoring at the International Society of equan lokomotor
pathology also nun as iselp or working as an fpi treating
veturnarian he serb as the onside imaging consultant for
the twenty ateen world equestion games and the twenty toky
Olympics. We're incredible like you to
have in here to talk about protecting and supporting the
equine asleed. This is part one of two.
We hope you really enjoyed. Welcome to the pkn potcast
todays episode is a lot of different before we dive into
medicine, diagnostics and klinical expertise in future
episode we one to start was the person behind the profession.
Hour guest today is dr. Kurt Selberg a friend, a
vatnerian who is working with many hose owners, trust deeply
often at some of the most critical moments, in der horses
lives, but like everyone Dr sellberg past in beginn in the
clinic today, we want to talk about how the past started the
choices downs and defining moments the chaped it.
And what's still Drive them today, Hi Kurt.
Hallo, they're for me on. It's a great pleasure things for
being willing to talk with us the beginning for the beginning
court. That's go back to the very
beginning bevor you were dr. Sellberg bevor what Narry School
bevor The Klinik what was you're word like growing up.
The. To be on us that like if you're
the kit, i think it's i was outside playing all time.
I was out finding things to do things to get in truble i think
i was all was a little bit of a bit of a launer at times i can i
can taker myself and preacupy myself with a mini things out in
the out in the playger out my family life do was was I'm
predicut my parents we're devorest one i was really so i's
but time me toen them and. They're and very two of an
world's a bit one was very very animal fokus and the out on was
last animal fokus, but the for my my dead is a is a horsure and
my step mom is a hors trainer and then on the otherside my mom
is a is an educator and she is a page d in education and my step
at is a he was a principle for many yers and then we will
moving to to politics and was the mar of are town.
Was in the stay senator p so we have to we're different
different to um kind of life, but it a way was it was a go to
a go on up and a lot of divers experience to to go there.
So animals and in particular horses, we're already in you're
really life part of you life and know of you experience.
Y'ah and at absolute you know the there's probies.
There's defly animals a shape how you like out things in and
impetitor like dogers cats things of that the horses also
defly shaped ho i kind of view the world and i think my my
happiness is also is in kind of tide around animals and just
enjoy being aroundom and like the the feeling of the companion
ship. You know they don't have to be
schnuggle you know, but the there's just they're something
that brings joy to be and and don't don't know that's exactly
how i got in the wetter in medicine i think it probably is
a little bit, but the but versure happiness is mentidarand
was is and and dogs and cats. And what was the Moment way you
first saw this what be a potential pass for you to be com
of at narry. I think.
Oh was it much later. No it was you was really.
I think it's a phota about being a vetanarian for shirt special
riting out of i that going to shue horses and meeting the
vetanarian's long way and haveing haveing horses and
vetanarian's and how the vetanarian was kind of welcome
down to the farm as i was like a family member and mini instance
is you know as is kind of? Frend slash professional that
was there to hellbout and make things better with the things of
or sick and brod me happiness and i think later is i when
there you callage i kind of the interests one of this was and i
word in in a physiology lab and this my major for the guy word
for. I'm doctum a guire he was a
instrument in my agication for sure and he's that me down is
like we do in have to words and i go on the say i've not about
going to to that's go, but i'm know that i want to do that now
i'm think about go and and get in events gigery so II my
agication to me on a differen path and i was get in a master
gigery and blacker and so biology in the trial physiology
so i. I going down and differn path or
a little bit a time and as I'm thinking about that path.
I don't really one of it and right grants to make my life
because also's going to go on and get AP HD and in that and i
don't really one of break grants and and do but you research i
want to do something a little bit different.
I think i for that experience and so that's going to when i
turn back to that in a medicine. But i what'm chance that that
path that i'd did for anything at xi really and joyed that i'd
really grate time experience and move to a different part of the
countries, so a group and north i to home you know the Canadian
boarder so the path the to be down to my masters agrew i what
down the university for the and i was a different experience and
i think i need it that experience to kind of grow.
Sons quite interesting looking back now is the anything from
you childhood or all the years that make more sense in hindside
that. Is an like being a bit anan or
being it is what i what i do in live.
Boss, Boss and for your decisions.
You're some times and i don't know.
I don't know all is why the decision i make.
Why did it at times? It's teams it's word out with
the valve for me, but at some times think have like the
patreon sate of ding, dong sit on my shoulder that whispers
like this decision and will go valve for you you know and it's
has going to brew the valve for me and and i think the
biggesting no is the pressor burns like to go three and and
mikure the your beer happiness like the overall happiness you
think's like Sands. Not always to me, but it has at
a trust in the in mylys my Prozess.
What are that my be and it's let me don't really cool path this
for. So that and every metisin is not
always in and easy profession, emotional physicaly or
intellectually do you remember the moment you truly committeed
to this pos? I think one's i one, I was
accepted in the Bad School. I was really in the path and i
know that's themes like it's a silly think but one's i got to
vat school and sereded a borthrop bad school i work in
clonical scientes and education and one's i got to be in the
do's kind of areas. Speciary watching other
vedinarians work on this education processies with
contining education to the university and then being on the
clonin for that's when i really commided and new what i want to
to do and we'll talk about like how my path that is what's no,
we shure that i was going to be an imaging specialist.
I axi really like surgery. Quit a bit and I Remember One.
There the ever abody does it just going in and.
I Remember was think i was in this, the it was a call of that
and i to go to get test the next morning and i was in they're the
fition the at the gods out of the abdomin and i was city there
and us like you know what i don't not for that i really
enjoy abdomens it all that's so. And so II as like you know, i
I'm not your that is the wait was going to go and that the
time you know the sports meters and college was just a starting
kind of sinario and II really was interested and that kind of
setup like the orthopädics and the imaging kind of side of, but
that didnt exist in terms of the special of the time that ausgone
and three was in tommatulator that i kind of around and for
what the reason II Kind of. Got in really well with the
imaging fakulty as well as usergery fakulty as as as a
technition for kind of bult of them and bot of Bots grups as
what i was do in the end and i was the imaging, one out and
what i was kind of do and i like to the puzzle of pudding.
Everything we get it and you know some of and things like a
do mistor like pudding, sing horses oriday like he I'm in i
see horses oriday but the some of the more and debt kind of.
Of of lameses and palpation and and watching hors go all the
time and i don't get to see all that is what is it what like to
so a tridip but my so out in watchs the lamest go for a
little bit but and and mist that portion of it being and we all
just. What and what is surprising you
the most when you will actually in it, what was the biggest
change and you're perspektive and perception when you started
you a. To to go on the battle and to go
and the radiology specificity. Her's first was vetnary Medicine
and then the next step to go to radiology in piticular.
Yeah, one of the reflecting back now.
I was i was an all of all of the knowledge that all of my
professor is had and seems like they new all the insters to what
was happening and i was like man i really want to be that later i
want to i want to no is my just they you i want to have that
experiens. Going three and now like in back
and we're I'm not versus we're i was i like back and I'm like oh
there's guys dint have all the ansers really they we're very
educated and have really good thots, but they don't know is
have the ansers and i knowing that on they're like it.
It was it was a probly made a little bit differents of an
experience, but it the time it was extra you really kind of a
cool that think that how they new and i one in the be that to
that was problem one of the the experience is that like me in to
be a spezialist was this guest that or so smarts and so down
there are but congitar we think done and have end of these
questions and meaning for maners it.
It metal a metal on to me on the other on the otherside.
You know you realize that they the dint have all there's, but
they there are prismore people and you've going the thinking
prozess if. You can't get down was you're
younger saf at the stage. What would you one him about and
what would you re a sure him about?
If i side down for sure of my soft, there's a couple of
experiences that i think I'll would have i should a take in
more venage of. Growing up and just knowing ry
and now and so my that is a horsure II travel, the raumle
them and and helped out shoening horses.
I private it taking a lot more time in shoening horses to do
it, i do remember mini mini times people it o's askep aus
going to be horsure one i group and as like and one there was
out. As i was my that, we're shapen
do a shapen a she form to to put on the horsony he's all there's
screener out of this hors for all and can back and i think aus
a calls of the time, my dead goes son, i don't will a key
what you do it here live is long is your hit is a bub your ass
and the. That that kind of solid of
fighted for me and i was i think i was in a aus do in blocks out
in the and the feels in my head was bol my ass and it there's as
a piffiny about six mons and to be in the new vetarine and i
like i don't think i do, i don't think i do, i don't think i
don't have my dead to me to do, but the if i if i would back.
But you can changel perspektive as you your size and my size, so
I'm leveling. This is it is that it is.
Just for your, but i was i was tom.
I'm yourself to win win things comup and a do's and see like
you have an of time or you don't have seamingly the resources to
do it find ways to do it because you can miss out on experiences
and you can miss out on franchips and.
And times that you with absolutes fider surfers that
like this this soldrip of central france that kind of keep
you safe for your sove and safe for that's i world and somedy
tolino on quide bit and I'll problem go back in tomice off.
I don't think that i that i miss a lot of this experance is, but
there's little experance that i'll be didness that i think
conminal out more to me and so i'll tomice off to to mixure to.
Just take it all in you know there's so many good things it
can happen if you just let it. So appreciation of meaning for
was for social contact. You know my gripper France at a
have are are veri, veri, clustomy, veri, veri, we're roll
we'll two to the roll of veri veri series about the french it
kind of think, but we can have a good time.
But the that means a lot to me to be of the call of on some
people and just be a kb and just bs for a wow and that the world
kind of go a and just have this compensation with a friend and
the no judgment on the other side or for me with the happens
here the way and and kind of goed but frenchit a defining
means a lot, i don't have a ton of friends I've lot of really
good a quickenses and and i've this really tate that the
friends that really me a lot to me.
So we're going a little back to you're speciality as you're a
wellnown one of the best in the world for equine radiology.
Moswet Moswet Narians Don't start out knowing Execly what
that will end up how to you find you way into your specific field
of work. That there's a there's a couple
of things it one of a on a way and that that was i'd some that
i word from the three og and surgery and that's cool and that
was actually one of things that kind of shate my way and when i
was sitting down of these really all just that we're that i'd
that we're amazing people not just but a name is with a music
people that i you you think it out and what i're a decision you
make and this was from the really all just what i're decion
you make will be the right one so.
What have we have it? Is you do it?
And also like that's interesting it vice is just towning you to
trusting yourself and i think that was really kind of let me
down the path of of radiology and then one i got to my radials
you resensy there's some absolute phnomal people that
that i got to train under and one of this the guys is dr dick
paracan he's just a master likeing plain film radiogy you's
one the first people that it mr is on horses.
And this guys such a client amazing person as like that that
really make me what to be that guy and follow him and i think
he among the people that treen me he really put me down in that
path noing that I'm in ardin a resident see, but that that
guide active slotifide i want to be that person.
So it is. The Faszination was also related
to this kind of person and not nessesally ony to radiology.
Crips so if you. If you would be a gunnar
cologist. Or I'm but i'm going to definer
out for that, but but it but you have fraser, it's the the just
the way he kind of pit things in a perspektive with radiology and
how radiogy can be a benefit. To the masses and so it that's
the guide, but it was also the topic and the i'm on the same
lines of have mini mentors on the way we're bagger small and
and eather one that can't can and really slotified me and the
imaging was dr kind down and he he to it to is days one of my
best friends he's a mentor of all of figure he's he really is
also slotified. How i what to go for my life and
and what and what to pot for this well and so there's i think
that is the all of think i problem with go back in tolmay
ungerself is it mentors can be small, they can be perers they
can be anything but mixer you just take it all in for for
mentorship because lot of people have really amazing ideas and if
you can. Kind of chanel into that kind of
stuff, it it rezerealful for mentorship and i think my
jungers of i don't know that as all as as patient as i probate
should a bin and and and i be not as gratius and they get go
back into my so of the same think to be a bitmore patient be
gratius like this mentors or that help to me a on the way.
So from the outside people off and see vetnary medice in as
very technical. But the from inside, it's all so
dpli emotional. Don't you think?
Absolute in the going back is my happiness is bentide the animals
and the it's one animals or suffering or even the oners or
suffering because the animals man it it really put to at
emotional drain on your. I think it's absolute is in
emotional. In emotional profession and you
you try your best of separate your so from from that, but you
also no x actually have these people are feeling because you
proble experience that samting and live and as tof not to have
that that connection with the people that are struggling and a
time of need and something that can be potentally live and that
or even just the future of the of the patient and and i it.
At i think it's the professional surfers absolute animotional
chang and you have to really be call us in of that.
So what part of you're job is effekting you're the most when
you was starting out. And I'm and the actually the the
sof companance i think was problem one of the biggestings
you know I'll want to portrait that's you know you're doing and
you're component and you're job and and really in live at II
think i was components, but i just ted a hedge experience gap
and that probly that interturnamuel of of.
Soft out of what did you make the right position in thinking
about pudding the patient first, not just doing your job to do
your job a pudding the patient first that i do the right think
but that patient. It's very interesting home as
more as experience you're game in your profession.
As easia this question is to ask and you're a quite happy to do
this and the beginning. It's struggling, it's not very
comftable, but was the time it is one of the most relevant
questions andy day to ask for. Absolut.
Any kind of kase, we're that moments that you really broke up
or baby. You question you a choice.
I don't think that II don't think that i would have.
I don't think there's any moment that i would have stops to be to
not be of the anarian orquestion my choice i like one's i go to
that point and us doing my stop i really a new us in the ray
profession i new that i was in the rayplays it'll it'll good
and filled natural to to or to the things and i don't think
that i what change what i did. I think it we're going to
workout the way it should. So meaning the experience that
shape the way to work was horses and was on us like haveing
influence on your style of work today also.
You have so we and the inner of the people, the talk about hors
people and people a have horses like that the intimes people a
have horses and hors people a bit kind of.
It's it crisy a times, but it's a crisy that i know because i'm
i am a horsoner and i grupper on horses riding them, and we get a
love a crisy because we like the animal so much and we get focus
on it but it's. Like the virus.
Just it ups, the lee is you're the signist of you will, but
it's something that i're stud and i was they're confible with.
That how that kind of and now was i think that was also
prehopolen and moving in to the profession because only you can
talk to the people about they're animals at a medical.
But you also tox there, they're deside about there competition
or what they do at the ors and and have like all will's can
things to to breaking and and the horses of the better and be
betterage and job that think. So every vetnarian develops of
philosophy of the time of the shape by mistakes and learnings
and experiens. What what you see are the call
values that guide you work today.
You're have again pudding the patient patient first above
andything that i kind of my on pride my on what ever II pudding
the patient first and being.com for one off to say i just don't
know I'm going to have the asc you don't a person to get back
to to back to you about these things.
And so the I think alsmity is i move through and i don't a
wetter in a medicine the beingable to to and mit you're
win in wrong or mit you don't know or understand that there's
more complexity two the things and and and b fors coming with
oners and and kolix. Is and it is is paramount to
sucessonisting. So like we to we're talking
about the other, they about senica you know what you don't
know to realice and to have a network like isap for instance
to ask other people about experience and in special cases.
Absolute. As you're definition of good
Medicine changedow with the is. Oh you have for your with it
with the time, but it there's what i for started.
We they're they're p is it or treemance that if or done to
horses and it's theme like the besting to do with the time and
then later as you start to game or information you've devilate
it chames this this treeman options and that's a bit of Play
science works right you do you're best with the knog you
have the time based on literatur and that that of also of a
overtime of the better understanding.
When you get when you get longer tamfola of all of the things,
Kind of change, a little bit and so for sure my idea of clordy at
metasin this devly change dovertime and what news to be
we'm news be done what can be done and what is in the raum of
of problem a posibility but probly not practical i.
Mean at one be. And one be series if we when
adapt or perspektive of and position of good medicine, we're
againing so what more knowledge even and venaron medicine so we
have to adapt how do you balance medical posibilities was a
reality of the horse live and we'll being.
Yeah, that one is problem one of the one diffical ons because
there you know there's so me things you can do but.
Are are you actually going to do something for the hors?
There's a there's as sing that i Herd ones this famers onkologic
sergeant he's like there's something we can do to the
animal, but we can do for the animal right, so it's just the
at we're trying to. Palitative what have a but in
the end result is not can and diver a one and so i think that
that that's that frasers stop with me for a bit is being
practical about the treatment and understanding one one an off
is an off for one, we can do in you more and we have to live
with what we have. I like to to name it medical
smartness yes, combined was empathy for the passion to a
absolute. There was an.
That that potic your point was really all strate to me by a my
first dog. What is a is a buddy, what is a
fortinual dog when he pass but he he got an cutani symptoma and
we we treat it the cutani symptoma with it with le mustin,
which is a. They're p to kill the the kill
the sells and he responibary well, but he do go in the septic
chock and and major threw and air we with in the pharmacy they
gaving for times the dose of the newstin and i can really not out
is his bone merr, so we was an prusing plut, so we was an
Prusing Playlist, we was a do a think.
And he was in the the he was in ICU for for some time and and we
we they're think herolic the you can do for this dog and he just
mental out. He was a dog that can't to be
three you mining live changes and University and so as we got
to you the sing you we II can like go II can like go of the
dog and and i should i should have an better about that just
being and trained and visual. And i was one of things like
we're doing something to the dog, but we're not doing
something for the dog and down one really husbin slit of it and
heans like there's an we have to do something, but some time GF
don't stand when an off is an off and IA wished that i had
differentoys is that i'll it's. What's quite interesting in off
this to see that behind a professor for the University,
was an enormes knowledge and the territica.
Backround you're outs all person that is taking care for as on
animals, so we're coming back to the terrory of the disease was
horses. It's relate to ani kind of
animal what have it is what do what do you think hors on us
most miss understand about red narrance.
Some time they think they don't in a stand.
The that we have so have lives outside of vetaner in matters,
but. Really.
But that you know you know that the the talk of about work, life
downs and i think that's kind of.
I think that's schon anigans really to be for.
I think it's just i was told ons but vitaner in bruture
marquellies like it's we're live synergy and i really is me zens
to me like i ons that i like what i do i don't considered
work to be onest. With can be for a thrusherting
and think for the people or on me to do and and FTB work clunts
of that because if i was doing and i was just work you know be
find a work of a time, but but you know i think that the the
missunerstand and some times of a forsoners is you know of
valebo on a satterdate because you're out the mountons can't
think you know some times that it's a will a frusherting, but
at think it's or to a people really interstand of a time and.
But that that's the things that i think it are there and then
the other is the the the hors onner is.
I think all is what the best for the Hors and i'm at a what and
some time they they are like we is emotional cafsanerio and and
using this judgments for used to do what we can't do for the
hors, some time is we have to circle back around see it's.
That's be proct call. What's do the stepwise kind of
thing and and i think that's also something that I'll land of
a time haveing horses is that being or stepwise and
understanding and conservative and chums of what the things i
do next star important toner stand the disease proses forly.
So when you look back at you're pass, you have taking so far
what i you're was prod of. You'll man that.
That I'm in to be on us the one on most prob of is not something
about my profession to be to be on us.
It's it's my family. And France that are what I'm
surown my soft with this problem.
The most the problem, the the biggesting.
To will comed that person what next being that narry and being
a professor with to stay in the middle was balls feed don't to
us. You know there's a things that
that i think it chairs the mostar one.
I don't know that all we's been super kind that definity kind of
be a good person. And throwning me like off of
people that helt me be that but a person.
So what's still exites you about you want to they.
Oh man, this feel this is changing.
On it, I'm so fast that i keep bubble it to be for and i
definity spent time reading it i get up in the in the really
mornings and in read new new technologies, new new things
like that i think is just is you do we talk about this all a time
axedy plus in the podcast to to be buther.
Extra the out they's have too this out.
That is that if they would be andy exignment and you more
you're that is really not imagible.
You're for your in the the cool things or happing with ors of
bologics technology, interms of imaging ways.
Artificial intelligence and how that can make my life a bit
easier in terms of my work and really check even being a better
ready august because of the the things it artificial
intelligence are machine learning conpetentity do there's
are things that really exide me going for that and i word about
my job at this time not asseserity, but i do think that
the shape the future i can't be kind of a cool thing for
energing and. Just the if alling technology
that's out there, it's i think very impressive.
There's a very nice good quote by a friend of us darryk
nottenbelt he was telling already severaly us a go that
technic is not replacing of vetnarian, but it will place of
vetnarians we won t us the technic yes so i get he was
right. Already of you years and so
beforebefore.com in AI and what do you hope people on the stand
about about you work and about wetnan medicine afterlistining
to this podcast. One Hoefly am a bitmore of the
humany an imperrible Person. I think that's that's probaly
one of the biggestings for me is beingable to be a purge to
asquions and. And a lot of times, the things
that that are most meaning for as we tarted about it are
explaining you're my stakes that e mail or time, and that takes
that think of a bit of a bit of confinance Toner stand that
you're a human and and the seconding is tick back the your
humans, so there's in a we we i don't think that on, there's
don't think this, but some times it you hits last is we we're
also a motional cruters. As a veranerians, the same is
the horsoner and that we have invested interest in the horses
well, and it's not just because we want to do or work is because
we want to but the hors first. It's it's for you me the my
friends, it's it's about the it's about the hors in in the
end. So good.
Thank you for sharing you're story so people in the next
episode we will dive deeper into your clinical work and explorer
some of the questions house oners a offen a frate to ask for
no thank you for a mining us that behind every diagnostes and
every treatment plan that i you that is a human story and the
life long commitment to the horse if you're enoyed this
episode. Make sure to join us for the
next conversation with dr. Kurt Selbeck and where we move
from the personal journey into the realities of equine Medicine
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