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Learn more to care better. 
This we have is like you 

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different episode. 
We're sepping into the world of 

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advance equine colic surgery 
training, we're experience 

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sergants mentor the next 
generation two highly 

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specialized proceders in this 
episode we explorer white 

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practical education is essential
how confinance is builds in the 

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operating theater and what it 
means to continues the race the 

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standard of car because better 
training ultimate le means 

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better out comes for horses we 
hope you intoid is episode happy

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Listing. 
So, Welcome back to the Pico End

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Podcast Todays Episode takes you
behind the scenes of something 

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many horse oners here about but 
really truly understand advanced

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college surgery trading what 
happens when experience 

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sergeants from 
differentcountries.com together 

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and why does it matter for you 
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And February, we hosted as three
day pactical equine collectority

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course here at the clinic. 
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our good Friends and great 
surgens Professor Jessica Justo 

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and Professor Marco Gandini as 
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Nico Bolz, so before we dive in 
could you tell our lizness a 

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little bit? 
About who you are and what are 

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you doing everyday? 
Of cours and thank you for have 

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in has, we are a kind surgers 
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and academic settings, a large 
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emergency medicine, a specialy 
in collect surgery and the 

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intensivica of critical heal 
horses, a longside the clinical 

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work we are a deepling voled in 
teaching and research. 

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Hollways we the go improving 
outcoms for horses. 

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One sing we off and see here at 
pkm potcast is that progress 

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coms from sharing knowledge and 
that's exackly what inspired 

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Discos right Marco. 
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and till now there is really 
only be in one comparible callic

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course. 
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In just in the states, we're 
just florida and that make it to

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be difficult for all european 
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was to create european space. 
We can group to get a experience

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surgeance. 
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from me chaders from me chader 
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sharing experience is because 
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just about technical skills, but
so about the season making 

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timing and teamworker teamwork 
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the. 
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niederlands supported the vision
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corse tgs as electorar and 
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supported the project with 
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ideas. 
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bevor the corse the oni corse 
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have. 
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for participance not on the 
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horse population is rising. 
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good idea what made the corse 
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from the other and not from the 
others i have that you have the 

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human sergeant coming here to 
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The lible of partispant was 
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the diglomates and very export 
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countries, and but behind that 
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streamly interactive we don is 
discussions and share clinical 

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experiences it it was and just 
teaching, it was a learning 

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together, it's or make an 
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Kurs. 
Cool for horse oners listening 

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at might beep surprising to her 
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training sergants continue to do
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We'll surger to can not be learn
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what lops a love sergants to 
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steaks. 
Save in the save, we and receive

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I'm media to feedback. 
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präcision and at the end make 
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we treat. 
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to result, fire issues for 
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always keep on training. 
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approach a lot that at hest to 
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In the situation to be harmful 
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aware of the technik already 
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So many professions we're this 
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professionals that's think about
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So that's support. 
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So when horse ordner's think 
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imagine the operation at surf as
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the challenges startmuch earlia 
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The biggest challenges are every
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cision making managing system 
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provide intensing postaborative 
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And the evanes small impromance 
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difference in survival. 
So we have some things that's 

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stand out in Niederlins one is 
international Spirit, why is 

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Corporation and collaboration a 
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equine Medicine. 
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that there is no clinic that see
is everity of case so by sharing

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our experience internationaly 
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different approaches and all 
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collaboration we think pushes in
tirefield forward and at the and

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benefits horses. 
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Ok good so understandable how is
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this kind of approach thersica? 
It was Fantastic, Christian. 

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The facilities are excellent the
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the teamcreative welcomeing 
butily Professional toosphere so

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have we one supported the 
project and it's fruly and ideal

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environment for advanced and 
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Ok, thanks for this, we try to 
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meeting already today in the 
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we learn from our meeting. 
That's log ahead. 

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What will Surgical Training look
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What we expect certany more more
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more Simulator structures, more 
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and again. 
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will be strongger internation a 
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differenz. 
So Training will a offly became 

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more Standard dice and EBIT as 
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This will a surgeon two pro and 
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Fations and me that is very 
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international, but we encreasing
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by going international is as 
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learn more from each other 
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From and autobillic approach, 
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kind of mindset related to the 
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people are working or coming 
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I think it is just and objektive
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the professionals listening what
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Have a stop learning, it's the 
world and message evan we're 

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export surgers benefit to from 
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discussion and collaboration 
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continues to you. 
Know and you think in the 

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medical related world is 
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message for or horse ordners 
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everything. 
What we i do here as helping to 

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care better. 
What if i have to given advice 

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to hors on are endos what come 
out from from the scores, i just

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a note all to get a we with to 
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coming from over all over europe
and as you said that makes a you

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j case lot, i'll we at some 
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We're we're the experience of 
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kasis treated, but by all the 
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so at the ende the main 
important message is to act 

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quick to to understand if you're
horses, kolleg starting feeling 

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bane, but with be the i'm to 
call your vet and to rely on on 

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your vet at home for. 
We're decision and that's a 

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willing prove so much 
thatout.com and ultimate lee 

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that we're make your horse to 
feel last bane or to get on 

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that's the. 
Mosting and maybe you by acting 

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fast and quickly maybe you can 
privent to surdery. 

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Yes Absolution. 
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in to many präventive metal this
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So and sird and last and but not
least what would be your message

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for refring that narrens. 
Timing and communication are 

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key. 
You don't near Perfect diagnosis

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bevor a Forum. 
Reconising when a kase, my 

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become surgical and actin early 
improse stabilisation reduces in

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desinial damage and incrises 
survival and one fill that's an 

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referal team work together 
outcome's inprove drum mc to 

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hickerdy. 
Thank you thank you for this. 

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I get it was the short inside. 
And have a rap up for our course

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for your course not for our for 
your course was nico and i'm 

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always played to welcome you 
because it is also for me very 

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interesting and it is an and 
nice improvment also from from 

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other aspects and medicine to 
see how that approach change was

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in the last. 
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some me years the niederlands 
this your twenty years, and when

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i see a regular surgical colic 
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horses i looking so much better 
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after the surgery and. 
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complicate case and everage case
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you days after the sodary this 
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that you i doing so thank you 
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what the other international and
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this kind of patient owner and 
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thanks for the exchange. 
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