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Welcome back to the p can Podcast you know last episode.
We got an all the person behind the profession today we're
diving in to part two of a corrisation we Dr kirz silber we
are you on a higlevel sporthars or laser companion todays
episode is about moving from intermedation to empiriment we
think a christer look what a readiologist actually is and how
to job differs from the one of a general that.
We also talk about how you defin in equine as leed as was some
anic dots for what hapens behind the scenes at the lympics that
lub because your in for real treat of in episode.
So and our last episode we got to know the person behind the
profession today. We are going to talk about what
Dr Kurt selberg is known for worldwide, sing what other's
kind and using the knowledge to protect a equine as leed.
Diagnostic imaging can sound intimidating or highly
technical, but today's goal is simple to help house ordners
understand white meters when it meters and howard can make a
real difference in the horses life.
Hi Kurt. Hello i's again for Heaven.
As cool to be here, curt many house ordners here the world
radiologist. Was out really noing what it
means if you're had to explane you're job to hose ordner in the
stable in one Minute how what you just cribe what you do.
You have the that is one minute my be chaunging to to kindance
that in to you, but i don't say that the the nomber one think
we're doing is with they're not to kimaging.
Is confirming cliental suspicion of disease and then hoping
target treatment options, and that is there of a idy of think
so for me is a radio august. I they're there's my day is
usery spend one looking at readiogathy Mr. C t's inform of
the Computer and the other part of it is doing the ultrason
examination of the horses. With the last me to get back in
the the in the patient touching kind of being around the patient
poting my hands on the think so the what i do on a daily bases
is problem salfto.com up with what is most ralvant to the hors
and then hofly targeter treatment options.
So einstein used to say if you can't explained somesing really
easy in if you centers, you don't not you don't understand
what you do. So how is you're roll different
from that of the general equin red narrin.
Yeah, so if you're the General Equin Vanarin if you Drop big
Circle, they kind of no everything about a little bit
about everything and me be the have a cupal special topics that
they like to delf dpin to you think that in amazon for me i
still if in all the medicin and all that conest of but i and
really focus on one specific aria that is that is.
That is i think you be changing to put a three dimential
structure and two dimential structure and meke?
There's Diagnose so for meading it the the being ready all just
means problem solving and pudding all all the things to
get it. At what point in a lamness of
performance is you that's a radiologest youusually.com into
the picture. Oh into the.
Game it for a little that pens and one of the areas people us a
strate a way from the first time that they see the hors to the
final time is see the hors and i the people all me get it when
they've run out of the run ideas and.
There they're something that's not what right and then they
centered on to vensimaging and and hope for anser to can back i
kind of like the we get to be used for everything we're we get
to see the evolution of the hors of a time with is invalible
experience to see what horses live with what they don't live
with in they're specific disopin h and breed.
That that is think is very very hill for me to see that that big
chronical picture of have the horses behave of a time and them
the stepshot and time is a bitmore changing, but is also
the think that i see problem more of being a ready all just
that words from remote from the klonic lot of time so get to the
up to do it this kind of see the klonic but.
And like i am here, but but i think that that are you of
likeing at the computer and not seeing the tire picture is a bit
of a chance, no like and be of a com with experience and
understanding how things go and that go's back to the people
using as from the start. So actually you're untering
publy at lies my consequent question.
Like and imaging something's be the missing pies of the puszle.
Yeah, r the r the available are me and r of the imaging technics
available what the the the person at doing the imaging.
What is there capability is well and i that they're sirtan
imaging technics that are very user depended on what what comes
out of it and allsers on this one of us.
Or it's like user dependant on how you're going to.com comed to
that final enser, so i think that that it's alternative the
the things that i'd really right to figure out i think or one to
us diagnostic imaging meaning the test of self is it going to
make it big change in this horses live or is it never going
to is an nock at a change and that's axe one of the things
that i think about intims of. Is the test word the price of it
mission and if i can't up with my atiralist of differential
dagnosis for the clonical picture like piddyer hands on it
to understanding the boywork the the the physical's amination the
movement if i can up at the differential dagnosis of all the
things what are this hors patential a has and if i do
imagine is i can't can't going to do there's to the hors is i
going to the hors. Based on one the constrance of
of medicine to financial conserns three h of the Hors,
you're what it is, then the test is and we're going and so i
think in we do a lot of screening tests.
We're think are homeful as we'll toner standings, but we dyle
back in to using diagnostic imaging as a tool to to shape
prognoses and treatment for the horses i think we.
Those of the arias that II think i like the most br also that
think that that's are the most difficult.
So bei bei Talking about screening Tests, we are off and
talking about equine aslits. What does the term really mean
to you? This the screening is the.
Screening all the Equine aslit or Boss.
I think there hand and hand and manuers just.
And so screening is of times or it's it's like preperties of
allivations forensed it's right so the forimiking at the radio
radiografs there's many things that happen on radiografs we've
in you that on or like get this hus list of things that are aban
normal that. Really can be of a wellming in
the idea was this for me is to pit that in to a context of
meaning for meaning for relative information, so the preparches
it's have people one and have a one is to have a christal balls
to predic the horses future, and it's not that's no is possible
but preparches aviations for screening are very how fall for
us and your standing what horses can live with at what have a
level the rat. And going for and that can be
applyed and to other and was for me and you a the prepertis
evaluation. I think it's one of the most
important things in imaging wise.
To understand the equine affleate and what they do for
and so one we're. Aable do.
You know what the able to do and the equine afflee as very
level's just the same is as humans, we're corses just one
and go do the job and i're going to live with some preriate
troches things and do it and i don't going to get up preriquly
in not do it and so the equine afflee it this for me what it
means to be equine affleed is. Is it do's have to be in a lot
at top level? It can be it can be just it your
home, but the equine have this is really the the hors and join
what it's doing the job it's doing and the owner likeing what
it's doing and the venary coms in to how and shure that
husbindry and medicine a working for the benefit of the hors to
keep the hors doing what it's doing.
And i think the the screen process is are hulful and that
also hulful for yourself you have to be very.
I think you have to be very open with yourself about what your
capable is are, so that's a france and see are prepers of
variation and a horse has marter hog arthuritis is that's
something the we can keep going. And minions, it's is just i
think it is, but what's there's some other i'm reality that we
really struggle with we we have i multi horses we can get there,
we what have a that this is proses and so the prepers is
variation he've know the horses man out be lame at the time if
we very i think open with your soft like i just i'm not
confable get in these horses back to work after that
becombing because it and so. There's the think that i think
about and screening tests. I get it's the very interesting
discussion because I'm in the the first reason for prepures
usually is to insure the risk of the investment of this horse.
But if you're talking about screening, then it is.
Also to learn what is the hors capable and what all the
consequence is for the organizer organism of the hors yes, what
the rider the trainer, the the people are doing to the hors yes
for you have to ask you yourself if you're doing korrekt so you
can adap the management of the hors by doing regular screening.
Yes, absolute and it. That's the one of think like
that you're the going out with them people that are team
betonarians. And if you know i've been around
of a farm out a team vedinance i've really greate experience is
beable. It's a go to the olympics and
the will the question games as the imagine special and what's
how these vedinance keep the patient's going it's really
can't do's you're have a do's, you know have me concerts can't
think going back but. The Screening tests are also of
paramount because then you get to see this hors on multiple
timepoints and horses or just like people they have, but
there's and have good there's and you know you have at the
time me your screen and it's it it's good they and then you get
to have that is a baseline and understanding with the horses,
but the screening evaluations i think are are important to the
bit anarning but also to the patient that are trend it is
there job in understanding we are the vitations of bufar.
Just and what the horse is actually able to do and terms of
performance ups of was changes on images.
If you combine imaging and pulpation and clinical
evaluation of the patient. Yeah, and that that point is
activeer importance because when you're do your connical vivation
or screening test. What are this and you.com up
with something you think is at normal?
That's we're that's we're dign us to imaging really it's the
chine. Is now your confirming chronical
suspicion of disease and the advance and just the frontline
of defenses of that imaging wise.
I think are that's the grate is use of them to to one tish
insure you your paulpateing crackly because he's case when
you paulpate and onerstand what are's a minute's confirm with
what are diagnostic imaging test is that mix you better as a
connitian moving for every time. I will II will say that the the
two greatest as it's you have and diagnostic tests that you
have as a vitanian are your hands in your brain in your
eyes. What I'm in this the tectile in
the visual and then thinking three do things that's the
number one diagnostic test is a vitanian to preer hands on and
go three and then the fall up is the diagnostic imaging to can
them this this is and then really hopers of targing tripman
options and a stand prognoses. And to and sure what you see and
what you pulpate on and objektive Level.
Absolute. Do you approach a high level
sporthaus differently from a laserhouse?
Me not massassiry the. I know the that you can devly
plit more time and to the the speed the sporhors and i think
that's a bit of a different. We're you're team me sing this
guys all a time for me, my proge is still the same for the
patient i have to know what they're doing what they're
intended lovel what they one it do it the hors moving three even
in a leaser hors versus the sporhors so for me.
And all forses or gruffly equal, just some tak a little bit or
time and new onses then others keeping them going.
I think it disipending on the question that you a ast for.
You're ups of the. We do all ridden horses have a
common when it comes to musculo skelital risk do they have any
common problems and and ridden horses or driving horses race
horses do you have? What the other's institutesing
like it you know it's i good is i went to you school and Evan
Advanced Training there's sirtan disease proces II usly that
we're going to be specific to one disiplin and the more i know
and the more as technologies advanced i realized this disease
proces he's have in multiple diseplance.
That that that are there with it's tick for the the fatluck
plomeroster condor to see is we see a lot and resorses, but i
also see that seam to seas proses in trisales horses was
your plaser horses and it's the just repetit of cycling think
like goes and so the. Or there's bis of these disease
processies for cert dispoints absolute there there are, but
and we know what happens we're peoplely and some of this
disopints, but the n result is a horses a horses and they can
have all do rutly simer things now that future there's disease
specific to the disopin but. I think for meed you with the
there's not here's difference and what they do the see's
processies hapen but they make just be slate variations of what
you tradition i think. I get them the major difference
is the purpus the us in the speed.
Just. What out the earliest Warning
Science ones of Miss especialy in horses that us still
performing will. That is a strubble because like
is it some horses have goodes and some horses have bades that
sainers humans, but the understanding your hors in the
owner or the professional i think is very portance because
the you're can have to rely on them a little bit to say you
know this what you feeling how you feeling it what is what is
happening with this with this animal and.
I think that as you as you game war understanding what that is
you're, but that help patient along.
So many ones think imaging is only used ons something is
already see usly wrong true on a true.
It's top to go to the saiki of people that you know but i do
think that that people a specialy.
Sporthorst people are are much or fokus on giting serial
imaging to understand what's happening with the disease
prozess because there's lot of times that this you can see an
have a malody and that like a frog will like it's a something
that cabitarable but as you wax is of a time and every changes
the disease prozess typical the struxual changes will cur as the
disease. If all see they're get's better
or get's words and so i think that is we have this one one to
tunal studies that are becoming more and more frequent that is
also up's our game in understanding this is processies
for. So we're coming back to
screening. We're going to say one of the
things that we think about as you know.
We have this p one have pomerostro clondro fragnits and
you see this and you're win and people with take them out to
fixed the ready graphs not the hors persey and because i now i
see horses with p one fragnits that are computing and they've
all is computed and that is been there for some time and that is
in the does and change with the ability is.
And also the things that we get to do with repeated screening,
test or you're in repeated tests to to look for what the disease
prozesses and and fall of the disease Prozess.
And what situations can imaging prevent bigger problems.
I don't know that. Imaging I don't know that
imaging provence big a problems percy, i think it helpes as on
your stand out it how to manage them and maybe that is the
problem the biggesting to do is that it gives as an idea of what
based on our experience for the very animals in the sames as
he's prozess how to best move is hors fort and makesure that is
confiple and doing is job, but i don't as i't reckly i don't
think that it. I.
What i what consider the imaging can in true, you a little but to
repeat the klinical screening what be very have for and
nesseserry if you have consern that patient the horse what i is
not is not hundred percent. OKI, I'm tolling we that's it's
it's a probitronicid i we're think just not as i like man as
you just it. But the that frisure that
there's a things that the screening test going back to
just donner standing now i that screening, test and imaging but
screening test for thetarians and hell off and they get anagos
back to the sport hors, we're perhaps there's seen on a more
frequent bases and i'm can get one out in the feel doing stop
there's i would go to farms and i look at the same hors.
Evan of it's brief but it but like it it on every out of week
or every week kind of think just understanding how we think it's
going overtime and at this do's of the screening test of we
tarked about that think can be have one.
If an on as a unchual what the imaging is word it what fictus
should that cools in your. Yeah, so when we can it imaging
you want to make share that your the diagnostic that you of the
test is a positive there so for instance it.
I think imagine this just. What what back is what I'm like
it the the diagnostic test and I'm confirming clonical
suspition is is and what if that disease process that i think is
have caning if the diagnostic test do's and this is so a
change what i can do to the hors are do for the hors and the
diagnostic test is and that's the the price of inmission but a
do think that diagnostic imaging.
If for sure halbeses understand the prognoses a little bit
better and targin ar tripment options to make sure we're do in
the right think and so that was back to i think in tripritation
of are of are imaging and you know if you like it to to do of
capty of over in tripritation and uner in tripritation of
disease proces and over in tripritation means you have
falls positive. And then you're treating the
wong thing or something this petitioning normal, and then you
have under tripitation what's then you have, falls negative
and then you're not treating the trackings and you're all of the
insback to properformance or liping horses, so I've See what
the Bouncing act of what and tripitation but you also have a
understand the limitations or a diagnostic test.
What a we what a we chusing and a lot of times.
It's a component of imaging that get us to the best result.
So we need to have a match between the clinical and the
imaging findings to find the solution for the was that's talk
about some tools how's oners off and he'd here terms like x rays,
altra sound emery CT it can be a little over wellming.
In simple terms, what does each modelity modelity allow u to
see? You know they're two camps it.
I coming to one is an atomic struxral and the second is
physiologic and some of there's imaging modality's can do a bit
of bol for us, but the in general when we look at ready
graphs we like in at struxral changes to indicate disease.
We're not can see are. We're not going to see in
nessesary in flimatory things that are with in the bone we can
see in flimatory stop of the sims of tichy's poticy's one but
roaring and a pick that that and we have all tresan and all
tresan i can be a little bit of both one is it's we see
structure changes, but we can also have some physiologic
changes is well and that is inquise bloodflow to apoticarya
and that can help is one and the the raldance of what i's but
two. We can used the vaskive or
patterns as a dopinaritarigation we can used that to to chained
or to understand what's happening with the disease
prozess, so as the bladbessel in corsion and reduces off and time
that i see horses geting better klinically, and then we have mri
we've do's bit a both red, so MRI get us grid in atomic.
Definition but also give us some of the physiologic things that
are happening for information, and then we have or nuclear
medicine technics. We're give us really the one can
be verifisiologic so bone turnover or arias that are
avnormally that in the soltichees that are that are and
we can have radio trasers that go to ange one of as arias to
give us better ideas what's happening.
So because the biggestings i see in imagine or structure versus
physiologic and then we have to figure out what's happening and
what test will give us the mosteline information without
that's us are the breaking the big not of rehorse in news to go
have a ct or in mri or nuclears and the grafic we can't we can
get to the diagnose is an minions and is by using one the
primary diagnostic to a bitterning hass with or it's
taktal and visual and are bring. Going to it and then we can from
that. This is process with ready
graphs and all for some with are fields options to do and get to
the point to that is are pointial to missly things we
have there absolut is, but it's a pointial that is is there on
there are imaging to you. And why Kind one technic do it
all? What one to one to you can
there's one the poticity code i think and that is a it's kind
but pets kind for sure, but the if we fuse it was CT, then we
get anatomic and physiologic for this for equity.
And there's a two two things to go to get that we're nicely and
then mri is also gus is that information potentialy, but the
problem with that is we you to diing also test that is one
break the back and one and is a fast rapid acure test mri i
think you get to the inster but there's also is and hear riskes
and pudding them that are general as tesure also it's for
the lo but. The standing hors at think
people want to have there hors as keep standing kind of think
and so that position to the roam of CT and peter or nuklear
cidografic in the end. All that comen miss on the
standings about was imaging, ken show or kenot show.
You're the in in this and in vitering ass and you people what
to have more cornitative assessment of things and.
We call it venenting Medicine is an art not oh is a science and
so there's an old fries is is and many times the ridio august
for the ruvern hand is ridio august and trubble so for line
and mejamans to maker primar diagnose that me be not be the
best way to do it, but i think the miss conception is we one,
we can acutly get a timeline for this is processies.
Espresso the like muscul scolal ingrees and that's not possible
persay and us. We have multial imaging time
points because i'm in a spony think that i see very a qed, but
i was see in a very a chronic stage and they will all's a
dandical to that on the imaging so you.
I can be a bit of a Chance. I think understanding.
It's i complicate and this not. And.
One, two, a possible for bone and softic, you and inflamation
and and circulation and all this right now baby in the future,
one of the hardis situation for onas is one a horst doesnt blue
blame. But something is isn killy
right. He the the nebulus pore
Performance Horses, i think or the one of the most changing
horses in general because one you got to you got to potary
think we get or anicially and maybe you ron down passed art
assasserity what this horses problem is and you treed it and
that in the's of can be a diagnostic test.
So the nebulus ones i think are was changing and it takes that
the screening tests if you as you know the hors more and more
or a time you understand we're that hors, maybe falting it so
in in as performance, so it that they did it have you and did you
like i do know out thisage i like up some times and all it
was sleep and my. Back feels terrible or you know
it, we're mysulder feels like garbage and all it was sleep and
the horses i they can do the same thing and be be slide the
off and me be they did it they musal solar or there that the
bone contusion we are no about or you know herses are eventive
with a criters on injing and soles they they can up with IDS
to her them soles that we're never what a dreamed of.
That there's a things that that i think it the the nebulus ones
or the last changing in offentimes when the test that we
want to cheese for the nebulus ones are a screening test, which
is newcreer's tickerfy right but do's or also if we like it back
at the literatur and you have in my my personal experience that
is we like back at us in news newcreer's integrity as a screen
to and something we're not really understanding and what's
happening with the hors do's in the ones that don't tendor
randers the ansers. So the Look back in Suit i's in
has an i's paper on that what it's last in fifty Prozent of
the Horses exrigate diagnoses in last of for there's kind of
streaming x am's if you will, but those are one stings of we
tendit to go to now if we user clonical vivation and say i
think this is happening for this and now i want to probate.
And negative information on a diagnostic xam is equaly as
helfal as the ansert so we know it's not now.
Just absolut. Also I'm that i was drugling and
waiting for the second part of your ants of because i'm can if
you have a horse was pur performance, and you do a
screening clinical first and then and nuke and you don't have
a. A prisise on so still you have
an on so and this is quite insuring that you can keep on
trying to to surfed with adaptions of training food,
nutrition, physiotherapy what have it is for this?
The knowledge and other parts of the vetnary field is is squid
big, so we but it is it. Gifs an Ansel.
Just I'm in the app for it. No no.
I know I'm a melody is are still a positive test in the some
respekt, i think that's important to real is and i'm can
we see that all a time of ridy graphs like oh a ridy graphs
normal but or still lamping, and we know it's lamping in this
region, but now we know what it's not potentally.
And there's a issue that we we're talking about prepertious
examination because it does in this is eddie mean that if the
radio graphs are ok that the horses not haveing.
An issue you absolute. And that's a reason why we need
to combined klenical andridiology test you have word
as and imaging consultant at the world equestion games and it's a
olympic games that's elite sport, but most listeners at not
riding at this level. What lessons from top Level
Sport apply directly to amateur and liesure horses.
The perlo that's just the perlo. I think be's out of there well
and the leaser in the sport hors because the the the elite affly
but on human ands the animal side spend a lot of time
together and understanding what's uponing.
And them sameding with the beasure hors is the people take
a really vested interest and the beasure hors and they want to do
the best by the horses. We'll so what can i take away
from the spor hors and movedin to the beasure hors is the is
the routine screening stuff. And making shirt of the horses
top. Not she know we have you we go
for physical xam or at some point we start to do this are
anual physical zam pobled mic share we're all do on ok and
think that's think that played to horses two and thatme.com in
the form of vaxens or or the warming or provenitive stuff,
but no ml as looking at the sport horses Bandit.
And in or in about time with this horses and are deple in two
with them at samting i think is over you're on a leaserside that
we can use to a vanage and get people more contable with.
All them is takes you see rapid Leo cross the levels.
That's it as it tof crashion so what one i think about what my
steaks we my have between the two between the two a cross the
levels i think is man at tof, but i think we have to be intume
of the hors i think do is it my steaks it we misses just sending
like all the horses all that they what's send it to a bones
ganner what's just inject what have it is an see you happens i
think do is it things that i out perferts and to treat what we
have dyk no strow and doing the something this shot kind of
perge to tride of the fix it. Also for me, that is only one
baby to at is if a horse is not willing to do what you ask for
and hund prozent of the cases. The horse is not able two.
At can me that can be a medical related is you it can be a
defisit of education or training at can be in non ability of the
rider or trainer, but it is nav of the mood of the hors know
that makes it not posible. Crick they're just the goodies
and babies, but there's the horses is still out.
There are trained do what are we're student is just not doing
it to's foribility and some horses will just flight refused
to start to work and that's one of the biggest indicators a
going back to. Pro performance is they start to
have refusal behavare what's they go to a jump and they dock
off one way and because and it do's your sattel things that you
start to like at we're they always land for what have a ries
and I'm one lim and they dock off to a sertan way or there
just sattel changes and there what's they're jumping or what's
they're gate in the chance for it's all this is the things
really mean a tong for those afins and.
That that i think is important donner stands and then figure
how imaging incomponent this areas.
So imaging is bringing onses, but some times there's ons as a
difficult. We're.
How do you approach conversations when the findings
on what the owner? Oh a trainer a hoping for.
One is. Tried to get them is much
information is possible. Understanding the emotional
tachment or to one the the profession or to the hors and
nicking shure with to a shure of them that we're doing everything
i can for the hors and for you and.
This is an something we one it to to find, but is we're a out
and now we need to make a good plan going for to the make share
that this this patient is confiple and i think showing the
compassion and empathy orivan sympathy to this oners i think
is proba permanent and real as the everybody as a differre
aktion and they get about news and be accepting of that that
kind of stuff and and and. You know lot of people don't
like sex and pinions, but i think also in this one of the
things hears a here's what i'm this is are diagnoses and
understand you me like this diagnoses and i will absolutly
have another's that abies like at this hors for is a secan
opinion just to make share that one not missity they and so be i
think humbleen of to understand that that on or like need more
information that. Or the theme information that
you're going just by a second person.
I'm in this like an any kind of field, also an human medice, and
if you're doing a series job, you're not a frate because of a
second opinion because it is bringing more opportunity to
find just the best result. Absolut.
The a team approach is is problem my favorite kind of go
to a not like. You know I'm it was at us
forensance we talk very freaking on a phone about cases, and's
moving threestoff and i think the havingles conversations with
a differents that avised looking at the horster a different lens
if you will is is is really hoful and i get i get a ton of
information by havingles conversations and i have a hoop
it goes back me at away. As well, but i think haveing
this teamerproaches is veribor hoful, and if i look at kind of
one of things that that's in the mail, connect you or a sign the
team of physicians to go to do you with you time and a lot
time, so the horson the horses me have one primer wettering the
go sure we think. But there's also special is or
friends that are probly calls for the things and so again, the
secinopinions have and just organity is what not assassily
just because they don't like what are you have to say but we
off and time is get secinopinius just or selbst to to AK is.
We're case you know, here's what i think it's going on all of the
things and the allything you befor kind of thing is it's
conversations we have you know behind the curtin of you will.
So that's Lok a lot of a head the future of imaging diagnostic
imaging, hess and valve enormes lee over you karea what
developments it like you the most right no.
The a cup, a two things, two things or exit me the most one
is the posibility of ct, and we're we can go that technology
because it's such a rapid test. Are there uperting these to
understanding is a bit war and in the second is every here
alltersand get's a little bit better and get's a little bit
extra of Kind of technology in there and i think that of a time
is going to be have for one is the frequency you know physics
the hirl of frequency the last penetration you have, but but
really these prozies this have super i frequency and a
penetriting river what so i geting.
But it detail and so the two areas that exit me and a most of
in terms of just aquipment or all to sounds and and ct mri
odyssey has a hugged grof potential is well in terms of
what we can do for the camel conformation with in the hors,
but the ct it's somethingthat's.com on we're a
strong like and i think that if we can get the most mining
information out of this. I think that is a is a really
cool test. And then pet newcer's integrity
and and pet i think are a prime precoal little technologies to
do stuff, but the the third think that i'm that i was say is
problem. The nosexiting is the artificial
intelligence one for gitting battle images, two is how do you
you in specific ways with the imaging in I'm know malodies
kind of think to make you a battle radio August.
And and workflow and a geting to your day so you can span more
time with the patient brother, then inform of a computer
screen. Typing out what you just so.
Cool what i like about the AI Perspektive good be that it will
herp us to see things that we are usually mike miss.
You. That is bringing more
objektivity so we will have better results and we will learn
more what do you see imaging changing in the way we manage
horses in the future. I don't know that it's it's
definity is of all of to this point like frances.
There's this is proses this they can see on redy grips.
And because we can see you something that mean that's at
normal that means that's the cars of the problem and so as we
look at the evolution right, we have re graphson and all trasand
the all trasands the first images if you're jump on one
phillip and Turnier hitside ways you can kind of me out the
Anatomy now we have this great them they're fokust exams that
you can see anatomy the credible will but.
Um those of things as you move is you move three this this
technologies that are improving or a time as especially inovated
WSTUCT lucky mri in one makeing and faster, but also more
diagnostic the artificial intelligence and and three is
one understanding the disease processies that we have and what
that my look like on another imaging modality so we have i
get in advance imaging. I go back out and I us my frot
my imaging but really graphs and all to see if i can see it and
then that nix me a better ready all just in the end and so every
time we get this incraminal incris in the ability of what's
the ct to see a cert in the seas process, we don't think we can
see befor or mr. I shows is something new in.
The chemical information of the tendance or ligaments to
understands degeneral changes all the things going for then we
go back and we can apply at to the other imaging.
No down is at we us, but when frequent on a day, the bases
there's the things it really xide me is as incriminal little
small changes that we'll go back and like it the the frontline
imaging to be better at plainfilm and orterson.
I get that we will find battleways of.
More detailed treatments for specific disease that we will
understand the bio mechanics more if we have better image
quality, but and that's talk about some takeways for our
horse ones. Bevor we rap up.
I would like to to leave or alisinas was of you key takeways
practical sorts. They can carry into there
everyday live was horses takeway one imaging is about
understanding not just finding damage what you think.
I absolute that they go's back to the over versus under
interpretation it's. Miking everything fit into a
nice story and just because we can see an abramality does it
masses are a mean that it is a klonicly ralbon abramality that
it's i think is important to understand that we don't treat
the rady grass we tea, we treat the patient and diagnostic
imaging give us better target a treeman options as we just
tartable. Takeway number two suttle or
series changes meta. Both both conmater for sure and
it offentimes as as you as we like it think something's are
much one can't pick you was on out or imaging note out is so
just because it looks like it's a very small legion in the hors,
we know that small legions like big cruters lip so the aversize
of a digital fuxer tenentar is about two to three millimeters
in the emer, you know and offentimes there of last and a
senameter and like this well, we know the that kindake hors lip.
And so like you see it sodal things can me and big things for
this horses is. But also big things can be some
of clonicly herova is what that me of really terrible, but
there's no real problem to so exackly it have to take you've
not lux terrible and main not be that, but if it's if you know
lux like it's three the nine and me you something that is really
quit something but the hors. So as in Hors Hors on all and to
just. Learn your house get to no your
house so touch your house if you have an a scar and the tenten
and the tenten as looking big it does an assasily mean even
efficient and obvious change that is the clinical red of it's
healed, but if at becomes more wom, you're could be the early
stage of a future problem. I'm so really.
Take way number three, there's no one size fits all skin so i
get we will talking about as maybe in the future we will have
the avalibility of you, put the horse and the beginning in and
then you get the horse out and all the resides.
To you need what this. Is was?
AI was? A ok.
Take away them bevor topsport lessons apply to every hors.
Yeah, i think i think in some respekt like up is they the as
you think about what the horses going to do?
There's are in hearedly different from the see an a lee
jumper to person that goes out and just hacks in the forest
kind of thing this two things main out this is very meet meet
up, but a horses of hors and they like is a they're inventive
in the way they injo them sels. But offentimes injuries at the
top level have in at the the the the we're kind of relaxed levels
is will and so i think the we can take away at something from
e cide of there's on what orses with and don't live with.
So, I'm my faired dagway Nummer five the final one.
I like the best is education bills better outcoms.
Absolut. In the more we know the the more
we can for a confin in the diagnosis, we're geting to the
crack diagnosis, and as we're think there's an evolution of
and your standing today. We know certantings that
tomorrow main out be what we know and he more that my be
person of be wrong and you at there's something els that can
really happens you know we to we think back lücken and.
Problem we moo passes, but it's like covid franceens they have
all this recamendations to go for it with these things are
using a bestability to to mic diagno or mic recamendations to
a general population and then on the find out later of the
similas recamendations we're really off based inso that
happens on inventory madison two is that's how science works is
we get a better evolution of a standing as we moo for we get
more experience. And there's greater margers
Skill Reserve things. I get it is.
It's was for for every kind of peace of the mosaik like the
groom, the trainer, the rida, the ona, the vet, the ferria all
the have to work together and to build a beta education level.
To a chief better outcomes, it's obviously clear be because
everybody every person every part in this deal is haveing
influence curt. Thank you thank you thank you
for making such a complex field understandable for all of us.
And for mining for reminding us that good imaging is an about
machines, but about beta decisions for the horse for
everyone listening the more we understand what's happening
benees the surface the beta we can advocate for or horse is
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