1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,840 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:21,160 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cascade 3 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,480 and Clavio Scott Caulfield back once again joining you here 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,320 close to the end of July and we have big 10 football media days 5 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,000 going on in Indianapolis and it's starting to feel like 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,920 football season once again. IU out there trying to make some 7 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,920 waves. We're we're very fascinated by 8 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,360 what's going to be going on this season. 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,240 We're going to talk a bit today about some of the perceptions 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,840 expectations, Indiana where where they're currently 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,720 perceived, why that's the case. We're talk a little bit about 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,680 what has happened so far at at Big 10 Football Media days, Kurt 13 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,760 Signetti making some waves there as well. 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,160 And we'll talk about some other stuff as well. 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:02,960 The the college football game is out. 16 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,480 There's some thoughts to be shared there and maybe a few 17 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,680 other things as well. But Scott, first of all, good to 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:10,920 see you again. How are things? 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,120 I'm doing well man. How you doing? 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,080 Yeah, fine. You know, we're we're just kind 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,640 of chilling here in the fine city of Bloomington. 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,400 The weather's been pretty good down here over the course of the 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,320 last week or so. It's been not overwhelmingly 24 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:27,160 hot, which is always a concern this time of year, but I know 25 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,800 things are good making podcast guest appearances. 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Got if you have those of you who have not listened, was on the 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,120 X's and Joe's podcast for an extended almost two hour long 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,320 podcast about the the 90s and the end of the night era, which 29 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:44,800 some of you might find interesting. 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,040 So be sure to head over to the X's and Joe's podcast, which is 31 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,840 hosted by our friends Bob Moats and Mike Wiemeth on the back 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,640 Home network and go check that out. 33 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,880 So no, things are good. Everything, any what's new in 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,080 your world? Anything noteworthy? 35 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,720 Last night went to it's, it's funny, it wasn't this concert. 36 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,040 I've been to two concerts now at Deer Creek this summer. 37 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,800 I try and go a couple times. I went to Dave Matthews like a 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,840 month ago and my wife and I were Ubering there and it's like, I'm 39 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,680 plugging in the address and I'm like Deer Creek. 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,160 And it's like, that's right. It's not I, I, I know it's not 41 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,760 Deer Queen and it's like I, I had to like actually Google what 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,920 it was because I forgot if it was like Horizon or Ruhoff 43 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:22,040 Cliff. Sure, whatever. 44 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,280 Yes. Yeah, went to last night. 45 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,400 Red Hot Chili Peppers. Speaking of the 90s. 46 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,040 Yeah, but did make me feel old because they, they look a little 47 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,320 old. Anthony Kiedis, the Anthony 48 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,040 Kiedis, he had a like a, a walking boot, like a walking 49 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,560 boot. And, and I, I want to think 50 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,200 like, oh, it's probably 'cause he's, you know, crazy rocker, 51 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,880 but it's probably like he was playing pickleball and like hurt 52 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,200 his ankle or something. But overall it was a, it was a 53 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,560 good show keeping the 90s theme going. 54 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,080 So we we should have had that playing in the back of your 55 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,640 podcast. Maybe, maybe some of our 56 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:58,320 listeners have had had the same experience, but when when we 57 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,920 were in school that there was a show at the Assembly Hall, it 58 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:04,680 was the Foo Fighters and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. 59 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,280 Did you go to that show? I don't. 60 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:08,640 I don't think I did. No, I remember it, but I don't 61 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:09,600 think I did. Yeah, that was. 62 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,640 With with, yeah, swing and a miss for me. 63 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:15,360 I think that was, I want to say that was spring of 2000. 64 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,320 It might have been spring of 99, but I think it was spring of 65 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,720 2000 because I think spring of 99 was supposed to be the Tom 66 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,480 Petty show that got cancelled, but I might have my chronology 67 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:25,960 wrong. But yeah, that was a good show. 68 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,480 I remember having ridiculously good seats for it. 69 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,520 This I would have been it had to have been. 70 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,400 It had to have it couldn't have been any later in the spring of 71 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,320 2000, because I remember Flea made like a, a, a a Bob Knight 72 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,800 joke or something like that and people booed. 73 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,320 But but I just, I think I was like 20 rows from the the floor. 74 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,880 It was just a great evening all the way around. 75 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,000 So if you were out in the audience and you watched that 76 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,440 show live, let us know. We would love to hear from you. 77 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,480 Underrated basketball fan Flee also made a Larry Bird joke last 78 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,400 night 'cause he's obviously from LA and he's a big. 79 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,280 He made some like work like French Lick. 80 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,360 Like where the Hell's Larry Bird? 81 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,840 Like mad better. It's just like, like kind of 82 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,560 threw it in there. Now I'm wondering if Flee has 83 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,040 like a writing team and that just like tries to give him like 84 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,960 two or three topical jokes for every place that he goes. 85 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,079 And he all he knows to do in Indiana is basketball, which I 86 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:21,920 guess is is on brand for for Indiana. 87 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,640 What he does for other states, Like what? 88 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,480 What's he doing when he goes to? He's criticizing ethanol when he 89 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,480 plays in Des Moines or you know, things like that. 90 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,800 Yeah, he's. Just like Phil Fulmer talk, 91 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,800 right, Phil Fulmer. Anyway, we we bring this up 92 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,840 because we're excited to announce the newest podcast in 93 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:38,240 the network, The Flea Show. Now. 94 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,840 Well, yeah, I know that we could probably get Flea at this point. 95 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:43,400 Like what else is he doing? I mean. 96 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:45,920 That is like there there's an X, like at some point, you know, 97 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,880 we'll, we'll be able to get him. He'll become less and less 98 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,440 famous at some point. It's true. 99 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,960 Well, that's good. I'm glad you got a chance to go 100 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,960 to that show at so Dave. Yeah. 101 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,760 Dave Matthews Band and and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. 102 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,640 I feel like you're really. You're trafficking in 90s 103 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,800 nostalgia here. I I tip my hat to you. 104 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,440 Yeah, I mean, that was before like the spring of country where 105 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,200 I did Morgan Wallin and Kane Brown. 106 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,840 Now we're doing I get we were my wife was gonna go to Atlantis 107 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:12,320 Morissette on Saturday too, but but we're not we're we're we're 108 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,080 taking a night out or not. Didn't do Atlantis third eye. 109 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,800 Blind is playing later this summer. 110 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,520 I I like how you're just genre hopping year to year. 111 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,840 Like next year it's just Scott with like, you know, yeah, yeah, 112 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:27,560 you're yeah, you do the 2003 doors down and yeah. 113 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,920 And then the following year you're doing jazz. 114 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,040 It's like you're going and seeing Whitten, Marsalis and. 115 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:36,040 So I've seen him actually, the last thing I'll say to this is 116 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,800 my wife and I like three years ago went to Bare Naked Ladies 117 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,720 and Better Than Ezra. So again, very 90s. 118 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,200 We have a genre. They know my type at 119 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,680 Ticketmaster, but we're watching Better Than Ezra. 120 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,880 And it was just like 4 dudes and cargo shorts and shirts and I'm 121 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,040 like, this looks like my HOA, right? 122 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,800 I'm really getting old because this was a rock band. 123 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,480 But like, these guys look like they could just be telling me 124 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,120 like, I got to mow my lawn and change the light, you know? 125 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,120 Yeah. From my house, The Dirty little 126 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,320 secret about the twenty 20s is that all of the neighborhoods 127 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,600 are run by people that you lived next to at Brownstone Terrace. 128 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,480 Yeah. You know, it's like you're just 129 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:13,200 villas. Yeah. 130 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,960 Yeah. 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And they say some really dumb 193 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,600 stuff a lot of times. Like Dabo Sweeney was 194 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,320 complaining the other day at ACC Media Day that, you know, the 195 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,200 problem for the ACC is they don't have like a Paul Finebaum 196 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,440 type of person on the ACC Network. 197 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,080 And yeah, right. No, it's like, and I'm just 198 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,960 like, no one wants that. Like no one actually needs that. 199 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Like, we, we, we need fewer voices like that, not more. 200 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,160 But anyway, that's, that's kind of neither here nor there. 201 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,080 Big 10 Media Day. I've been to it. 202 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,680 I've covered it as a reporter. Like it's it, it, it's largely 203 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:53,120 there, I think to just remind everybody that football's about 204 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,000 a month away. And that's exactly what is going 205 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,680 on here. But what was cool about this 206 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:00,920 media day was that I, you and specifically Kurt Signetti were 207 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,600 able to generate some buzz. And you know, Kurt Signetti came 208 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,520 out and did Kurt Signetti things in his press conference where he 209 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,400 addressed the media at large. And, and when he was answering 210 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,320 questions afterwards, it was cool to see because ultimately 211 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,000 we've kind of heard a lot of these things already. 212 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,040 But you know, the the thing about Signetti and this is this 213 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:27,080 is where it it, it really does create an interesting thing when 214 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,160 you think about IU football and what IU football is trying to 215 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,040 do. You have to have somebody like 216 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:38,840 Kurt Signetti who can generate attention and also generate like 217 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,640 a level of swagger and confidence in your program. 218 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,840 And a lot of IU fans are simply not used to that. 219 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,160 I mean, if you think about the coaches that IU has had, I mean, 220 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:55,240 Tom Allen was was a guy that I think generated a lot of 221 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:00,280 enthusiasm in terms of like how enthusiastic he was about stuff 222 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,280 like life, whatever. But he also was not a guy when 223 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,960 you listen to him talk where you were like this guy oozes 224 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,360 confidence. Like he it was more of like an 225 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,440 earnestness as opposed to a confidence with Tom Allen. 226 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,680 Kevin Wilson did not ooze confidence. 227 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:19,600 Like he was a very smart football guy, but was, you know, 228 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,120 about as charismatic as talking to your insurance broker when it 229 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,520 came to, you know, him being up on the podium. 230 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,160 Bill Lynch, you just were kind of like this. 231 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,480 You know, he may know what he's doing, but it feels like this 232 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,560 guy's in over his head. You don't get that sense with 233 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:36,320 Kurt Signetti. And and unlike Terry Hepner, who 234 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,400 was very confidence driven and, and really whose confidence 235 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,040 there was a quiet confidence with Terry Hepner, It is not a 236 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,560 quiet confidence with Kurt Signetti. 237 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:50,920 It is a very out confidence. It is a very like, you know, we 238 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,160 are going to be successful. Not being successful is not an 239 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,040 option. And we've been successful as 240 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,680 coaches where we've been. There's no reason why that can't 241 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:03,400 happen here and we're not going to accept it not happening. 242 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:08,440 That is a, from my perspective, great for IU football and great 243 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,640 for IU football fans. But it's also so foreign that I 244 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,040 think media love it because it's like, oh, an interesting Indiana 245 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,680 coach. This is a nice change of pace. 246 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,960 But they're also like, you know, this is not what we're used to 247 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,840 seeing out of Indiana. And I think for a lot of fans, 248 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,840 the ones that have jumped in and I see this on social media are 249 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,360 all the way in. They're like, I would I could 250 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,040 listen to this guy all day. The ones that haven't, and I 251 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,080 still talk to a few of them are like, well, we have to see 252 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,160 results first before we're going to get excited. 253 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,640 So it's kind of an interesting thing with IU at this point in 254 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,960 relation to how Signetti is out there and what he's doing as far 255 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,360 as trying to gender engender some interest in this program, 256 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,440 in this team. Well, as you were listing the 257 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,600 coaches, I was, I was going through my head as you said, 258 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,640 that sort of looking at the coaches as you're going through 259 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,120 them. And I think the thing that's 260 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,680 different with Signeti as well is he's showing this kind of 261 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,120 arrogance is not the right word, but like a very strong 262 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,680 confidence before coaching his first game. 263 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:02,760 And so you could say that once the things got going with Tom 264 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,520 Allen, Allen kind of got there with the Elio thing and sort of 265 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,560 preaching it. But we think about how Tom Allen 266 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:10,200 started like it was kind of a a presser in the middle of the 267 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,400 night and then he loses his ball game. 268 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,120 And then it's like, you don't really, you know, those of us 269 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,480 very close to football knew the Elio stuff the first two years, 270 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,000 but that that program was kind of quiet. 271 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,360 You're right. Wilson came in and it wasn't he 272 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,160 had almost an arrogance of like, this isn't Oklahoma, like you 273 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:26,160 guys don't know what you're doing. 274 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,160 And that was more of kind of his tone. 275 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,560 I remember from the starting, you know, Bill Lynch obviously 276 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:33,800 came in under very, you know, tough circumstances. 277 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,280 But I would never say Bill Lynch was a, you know, braggadocious 278 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,120 type of guy outside. And when he's throwing gum in 279 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,240 the, you know, Michigan, Michigan game. 280 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,480 So this is something you need. And you go through the list, you 281 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,440 know, nothing Gennardo ever did was was what you would was good. 282 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,960 Cam Cameron wasn't boisterous. And, you know, Matt Mallory's, 283 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,640 you know, we're talking early 80s. 284 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:54,440 I can't, you're right. There's not a coach that's been 285 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:58,440 this kind of confident with a bit of swagger before he's even 286 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,560 played his first game. And I understand from fans who 287 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:04,880 went through the Tom Allen experience and we got a little 288 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,360 bit, you know, big as a program going into 2021 and kind of 289 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,360 like, all right, now is our moment. 290 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,320 And it all fell flat. So I, I get the idea of like, 291 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,080 hey, we need to see results first. 292 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,040 But I, I all I would say is like, I like it. 293 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,040 Like this is better. What, what I found funny on the 294 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,080 reaction to all of these things and the reaction to, you know, 295 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,040 how Signetti sounded at media day is it always does seem like 296 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,760 the rest of the conference or other fans are like mean why, 297 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,760 why are they doing that? Like why is Indiana doing that? 298 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,640 It's like, what's the other option? 299 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,520 Like just to continue? That's fine. 300 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,280 We'll just be bad. Like that's what we're going to, 301 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,240 you know, we're just going to hire a doorknob to be our coach. 302 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,480 And Nick, sorry, sorry. We talked about beating teams 303 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,240 and I'm so sorry that we thought we could beat Michigan. 304 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,520 Like that's like at some point teams that are bad have to 305 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,360 become good again. So this there was something, I 306 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,600 think the thing that stuck out to me the most from Signetti's 307 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,480 comments and I, I went back and was watching them this morning 308 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:02,240 and it stuck out again. So he got asked about the, the 309 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,680 appearance at the basketball game where he says, you know, 310 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,840 Purdue sucks, but so do Michigan and Ohio State. 311 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,360 And, and I, I loved his explanation. 312 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,480 Like, you know, this is an entertainment business. 313 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,360 We're in the we're in the business of entertainment and 314 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,120 you know, we want to, we want to be everybody's rival, He says. 315 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,480 I think later on in the press conference, I think a lot about 316 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,880 the way that IU has kind of accepted its fate in football 317 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,600 over the course of time. If you think about like Lee 318 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,160 Corso, you know, famously like goes like six or seven years 319 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,440 before winning the old Oaken bucket, and then he wins the old 320 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,000 Oaken bucket and he likes that, takes the bucket home and like 321 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,920 sleeps with it and all that, you know, famously. 322 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,320 You take a picture at halftime leaving Michigan. 323 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,760 No, no, no. That was Ohio State. 324 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,160 Yeah, that was And that was. And that was more of a joke. 325 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,200 But. But then later on, and, you 326 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,920 know, and this has been really consistent. 327 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,320 You've got the whole what have you done to beat Purdue today? 328 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,440 Signetti got asked something about the Purdue rivalry and 329 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,760 essentially was like, well, we don't play them until Week 12. 330 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,440 We'll worry about them then. In state rivalries are great, 331 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,360 but we want to beat everybody. And, you know, I, I think a lot 332 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,960 about how IU football and the the people that run IU football, 333 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,320 like the Purdue game has been the biggest thing because that's 334 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,800 been the barometer of success. Did you beat Purdue? 335 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,600 Did you did you win three games and then beat Purdue? 336 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,360 OK, great. Well, hey, it was a successful 337 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,080 season. Like that was what you aimed for 338 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,120 the only barometer of success because you're not beating 339 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,760 Michigan, Ohio State, you're not going to a bowl. 340 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,400 And, you know, so the stories we've heard in the past about 341 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,480 people walking around in the middle of the season and saying, 342 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:37,840 well, what did you do to beat Purdue today? 343 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,920 It's like, let's be frank, like IU and Purdue are about the same 344 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,200 level of program. They're both bad historically in 345 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,480 the Big 10, as much as Purdue likes to pretend that they're 346 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,840 better over the last 30 years, they're pretty much the same as 347 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,480 Indiana. And you know, they've had some 348 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,480 more success and, and even like, especially in the last few 349 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:02,240 years, they've had shockingly little success compared to what 350 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,800 they seem to think that they've had. 351 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:10,000 And so it is kind of a an artificial lowering of standards 352 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,640 when that's all you're focused on. 353 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,079 Not that beating Purdue shouldn't be an important thing, 354 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,480 but I do like the idea that a new coach comes in and says, 355 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,720 well, OK, yeah, Purdue's a rival, but it's one game out of 356 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,560 12. It's not what we need to fixate 357 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,480 on throughout the course of the year, which does that's 358 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,680 different from what we've seen from a lot of coaches in the 359 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,960 past that IU. And so I I am appreciative of 360 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,000 that. And I think it's a very 361 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,680 different type of mindset now with a lot of this, I mean, at 362 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,920 the end of the day, and, and Signetti himself has noted this 363 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,200 in a press conference. Like it's this is just talk. 364 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,880 Like we're we've gotten to the point now where it's like you 365 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,760 got to go do things as opposed to just talking about them. 366 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,920 And this is where the big unknown happens to be. 367 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,200 You know, Signetti's doing his job. 368 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,480 His job is to go out and get people interested in IU 369 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,680 football, not so much fans, although that is certainly 370 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,640 helpful because fans in the stands and means fans interested 371 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,280 in donating money, which means NIL money, which means a bunch 372 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,320 of other things. But you've got to make IU seem 373 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,160 like a place that's a run by people who know what they're 374 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,560 doing. And then B, are able people who 375 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,400 are able to take that knowledge and translate it into results. 376 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,160 And recruits pay attention to this. 377 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,120 High school coaches pay attention to this. 378 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:28,400 And IU's got to do something to stick out and, and stand out 379 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,440 that you cannot just continue to go along the way that Indiana's 380 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:36,120 gone along and build slowly. You can make certain progress 381 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,760 that way. But especially in the transfer 382 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,960 portal era, you need a coach that's out there that that 383 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:44,520 sounds clever, that sounds like they know what they're doing, 384 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,160 that sounds confident, that's bringing A level of of swagger 385 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,080 to your program. Because those are all factors 386 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,800 that are going to be utilized by recruits and transfers. 387 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,760 And thinking about where am I going to go to school? 388 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:00,240 And, you know, there's some stuff that's going on right now 389 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,840 in terms of this proposed settlement, which we'll get to 390 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,640 in a second, where it's like it's going to get harder, not 391 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,480 easier, I think for Indiana to compete at the level it wants to 392 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,440 compete at because of how far away they are. 393 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,040 So how do you bridge that gap? You've got to bridge that gap, 394 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:20,400 you know, to to, you know, build to success. 395 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,720 I mean, he had this, he had this comment and this was about nil, 396 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,680 but he Signetti's comment was I'll quote here. 397 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,040 Somebody asked me, how do you define success at Indiana? 398 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,160 I was like, well, we want to be the best. 399 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,920 I mean, you don't you, you don't bring your kids up, Johnny, you 400 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,920 know, to be 4th best, I want you to be 10th best. 401 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,480 Bullshit. We want to be the best. 402 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,360 So when I talk about no self-imposed limitations, that's 403 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:49,040 what I'm talking about that that kind of mentality, you know, 404 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,640 it's hard to say. I never know for sure with 405 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,760 coaches if they're saying these things in press conferences or 406 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,160 if they're not like what is their actual belief system? 407 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,920 How are they actually approaching things? 408 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,360 You know, you can, you can talk about this all you want. 409 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:05,760 How do you actually make it happen in practice when you're 410 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,480 dealing with with your players and you know, how are you 411 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,200 defining their levels of success when you have coaches that don't 412 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,960 outwardly talk about these things, does that mean they 413 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:14,920 don't think that they're important? 414 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,840 Probably not, but. I do think as much as we don't 415 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,240 know about what makes a coach successful and effective versus 416 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,720 not, other than things like being very detail oriented tends 417 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:30,040 to help, you know, working smart tends to help like things like 418 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,320 that. You can't help but gravitate 419 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,640 towards a coach as a fan or as somebody who's looking from the 420 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,920 outside in that seems to have command of themselves and what 421 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,520 they're doing and seems to be able to say things that make 422 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,280 sense in terms of what equates to success. 423 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,480 Again, you've got to wait to see it it happening, but it does 424 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,560 feel like a breath of fresh air when he goes out and does this 425 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,760 spiel in front of a bunch of people. 426 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,200 It's like this guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about 427 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,440 and he seems like he hires people that know what they're 428 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,680 doing. And that really does make you 429 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,880 feel more confident, even if there's not necessarily a lot of 430 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,560 tangible evidence saying you should be more confident. 431 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,080 Yeah, I mean, it's, it's and again, I'm not I'm not the 432 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,880 biggest fan of of media that a day stuff because it doesn't in 433 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,160 the end, it doesn't really matter and you can have nice 434 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,280 sound bites. What I do like is you, you did 435 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,640 mention, you know, selling the program and and the NIL piece. 436 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,080 You know, I, I do like that even though he's a little bit on the 437 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,400 older side of coaches, he, he does seem to understand and be 438 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,880 forward thinking with the way NIL and the transfer portal is 439 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,120 going. We're like, I mean, one of his, 440 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,640 one of his quotes is, you know, he talks about getting hired and 441 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,840 he's like day one of the job. I got 10 offensive starters in 442 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,200 the portal. Half my defense. 443 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,000 I didn't know that kind of joking about when he took the 444 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,680 job. But then he goes on to talk 445 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,560 about how like, instead of being like, you know, we're a lot of 446 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,240 some coaches in the last year or two and turn that into like, and 447 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,520 this is the problem with the portal. 448 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,520 Like you just you get like starts bitching about the portal 449 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,600 NIL. It's just like, no, like, and 450 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,400 then I got to go to work and I'm going to start solving this. 451 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,120 And it does feel like, you know, he understands the the way this 452 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:03,600 is going. There's also, you know, and 453 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,120 again, man, you and I are both kind of glass half full with 454 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,160 football right now. So we're looking at this and 455 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,560 trying to, you know, looking at the positive side of things, but 456 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,960 they're also does seem to be, you know, it does feel like it's 457 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,840 kind of the, you know, the proverb, you know, run, but, you 458 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,040 know, be fast but don't run or something like, you know, 459 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,520 Signetti does feel like he's understands. 460 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,560 You know, I probably only have seven or eight years here at IU 461 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,560 to really do something where at times it has felt with other 462 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,840 coaching Staffs kind of like, hey, this is a process. 463 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,240 We're building the first steps this year of a four or five year 464 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,160 process with Signeti. It does feel like he kind of 465 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,560 sees like, man, I'm 62, I don't have 20 years to flip this 466 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,560 around. Like it does kind of feel like 467 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,040 we're not trying to skip all the steps, but we're trying to be 468 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,400 quick without running and kind of being like, hey, we're, we're 469 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,080 trying to be good and we're trying to be good now. 470 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,680 And I do think that is what a lot of people are gravitating 471 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,440 toward because every every other time and we've had a major 472 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,440 regime change in football. It always feels like the 473 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,760 discussion is like, well, we got to tear it down to the studs. 474 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,480 This is this a long process. And we know in Indiana you're 475 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,640 not going to get success overnight. 476 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,720 You start getting like all these. 477 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,320 It's like, well, that sounds like a three-game, the three win 478 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,320 season, like before even started, I've never felt that 479 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,920 was signeting like, and that's The thing is. 480 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:15,480 And then everything, the little pieces that I'm hearing is that, 481 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,680 you know, we're not skipping the steps and we're doing things the 482 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,880 right way. And these are all the things 483 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,160 that, you know, this is what he's known for is being kind of 484 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,360 a leader of a program and building a program. 485 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:27,080 And so that's I think where if I just distill it down, I think 486 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,720 that's what people are really gravitating towards the the feel 487 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,720 of we might actually be good this year. 488 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,320 Not like, you know, win the big 10 good, but 567 wins good. 489 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,680 I hope it's better than five wins that that that. 490 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,440 Yeah, we're, we're not doing the predictions yet. 491 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,640 But yeah, well, no. And, and look, it was 492 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,440 interesting. There was a nice piece in the 493 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:53,320 Daily Hoosier that that Seth Tao wrote that talked to some of the 494 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,560 players. And one of the the notes from I, 495 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,600 I'm trying to remember which this was Aiden Fisher, who 496 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,560 played at JMU. He was asked about Signeti and 497 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,760 how that whole situation is, you know, working in terms of 498 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,920 looking at him as a coach from the player perspective. 499 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,200 And his quote was the thing with coach Sake and how contagious 500 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,000 his attitude and self belief is. It's huge for our team. 501 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,680 We have a guy that's going out there and he believes so highly 502 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,720 in himself just because of the way he prepares himself. 503 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,720 So that kind of leads into us and we believe so much in 504 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,040 ourselves and what we can do because we have the guy at the 505 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,800 head of it who's taking care of things on the back end to where 506 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,560 there's nothing that we're not prepared for. 507 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,520 It's because he's taking care of those things behind the scenes. 508 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,560 And I mean, ultimately, I think what you see with a lot of 509 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,560 really successful coaches is that very thing you know, it is, 510 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,800 it is very much do you have the confidence in what you've done 511 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,400 that you've managed to secure all of the details. 512 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,040 And as we talked about many times in the Allen era or the 513 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,040 Wilson era, wasn't it was it was really inherent in both of those 514 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,920 two very diametrically different types of coaches. 515 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,560 They were always felt like there were details that weren't being 516 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,960 accounted for. Now we may see this team on the 517 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,120 field after a month and be like, wow, there's just a lot of 518 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,880 details that still haven't been accounted for. 519 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,280 But I thought it was telling Signetti saying in the media 520 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,760 day, you know, there were a lot of guys that did me a favor 521 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,280 because they left, you know, rather than stick around. 522 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,080 You hear stuff like that. The things that I've heard here 523 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,920 locally about how IU has been progressing in practices and in 524 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,240 spring and whatnot, and it does feel like there's just a much 525 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,000 greater attention to details, a lot more businesslike in a lot 526 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,880 of ways and so. That that's I've heard that too, 527 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,960 that you know that on and AM and it's just comparing where we 528 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,520 were with Alan it it felt like the things I was hearing from 529 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,480 the Alan when you know, things were going on. 530 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,920 There was a very, a very flat organization where it's like, 531 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,200 you know, anybody could talk to anybody and like you could move 532 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,920 up and, and not in a bad way, but it, everything that I've 533 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,920 heard is that it is very businesslike and it's a very 534 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,120 higher hierarchical. So it's like if you're a tight 535 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,200 end, you talk to your tight ends coach before you talk to the 536 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,000 offensive offensive line, you know, the offensive coordinator 537 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,680 and it, it does, you know that very few, very few of the 538 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,080 players are actually dealing with Signetti, which is kind of 539 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,360 the way it should be. Not, not just everyone's talking 540 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,640 to everybody about everything. It was a comment from Mike 541 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,600 Kadik, who has been around for a while and, and is certainly very 542 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,200 familiar with how things go in that same piece by Seth. 543 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,640 And it basically said, you know, we're, we feel like we're 544 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,520 getting essentially a different level of support. 545 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,560 The quote was with Coach Signetti and the confidence he 546 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,720 brings to the program, this community. 547 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,640 I think the fans are getting behind him and us. 548 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,040 And I think that's what we needed. 549 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,800 We needed some support. Not that we don't get support 550 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,120 from the fans in the community, but it's feeling different this 551 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:38,040 year. It it and it does. 552 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,400 We've talked about it, other people have talked about it. 553 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,440 The vibe is just so different in terms of how the fans, not all 554 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,880 of them, but most of them are perceiving this program. 555 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,000 And at the end of it all, it's coming from Signetti and to a 556 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,480 lesser extent, his staff and the way that they are conducting 557 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,680 themselves publicly, trying to get people excited. 558 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,040 And they're succeeding. And it this is again, it's an 559 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,440 intangible thing. And we've look, people got 560 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,720 excited about Tom Allen. You know that you had the whole 561 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,080 breakthrough thing and it felt like coming off of that 562 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,600 Pinstripe Bowl year, there was an. 563 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,880 That was marketing. No, I hear you. 564 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,040 But like that was all marketing because like that was the 565 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,960 marketing department pushing the breakthrough thing. 566 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,400 That wasn't like that was that was like that. 567 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,200 As you were saying, I was creeping like a lot of this 568 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,080 excitement. There's not really a marketing 569 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,720 plan for the football season this year. 570 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,240 It's really just Signeti being and, and this is one of those 571 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,000 like it's, you know, not to get into a Hollywood thing, but it's 572 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,440 like some people just have it. I, I don't want to sit here and 573 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,160 just completely glow him because we, we come out and lose the FIU 574 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,000 in Western Illinois. Like things are going to be a 575 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,360 little bit different. But you know, you, you can just 576 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,160 kind of tell when you see coaches, some of them have it 577 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,760 and have that intangible, some don't. 578 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,280 And we all know it. And I, I do think Sigdetti has 579 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,760 it and it's all we have to go off of right now. 580 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,480 But I, I would say the difference is a lot of the times 581 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,680 the interest in football was based on the marketing 582 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,400 department kind of pushing along the team where this feels, this 583 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,200 feels like it's all signet because I haven't seen, you 584 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,040 know, as a season ticket holder, I haven't seen like a lot of 585 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,920 marketing stuff from the football, but not a bad way. 586 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,080 But it's not like there's a slogan that's going out there 587 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,640 from marketing. No, there is. 588 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,280 It's never daunted. Have you, have you not? 589 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,360 I forget you haven't been on on social media for like 3 months. 590 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,120 Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm the one who actually left. 591 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,840 Everyone says they're leaving. Scott. 592 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,720 You did leave Scott. Scott has gone to the gated. 593 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,360 Community of social media Which what? 594 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,280 What? That sounds that just sound way 595 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,400 worse. No, I just I, I was never. 596 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,160 I'm still as engaged as I was, which was never I I check on 597 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,440 stuff during games and that's about. 598 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,640 It no, there's this whole new thing on Twitter that's 599 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,680 fascinating, which is this never daunted hashtag, which has kind 600 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,960 of become the rally point for a lot of the online fans for 601 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,560 football, which is great because it's, it's and then even like, 602 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,520 like there was a leaked photo of a bison in the, I think it was 603 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,680 either the weight room or in one of the other areas with the 604 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,320 never daunted slogan above it. Like it. 605 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,280 But that came, it felt somewhat organically throughout the 606 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,000 process of, of all of the things that have gone on over the 607 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,440 course of this spring and summer. 608 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,840 And I just, I'm excited because there's excitement. 609 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,000 The video of them moving the rock, I did see that, yes. 610 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,360 There's just little things and well, look at the, again, at the 611 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,040 end of the day, what happens when you get on the field is 612 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,760 what's going to matter. And I think it's interesting 613 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,320 because Signetti pointed it out and a lot of IU fans have 614 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,200 pointed out like nobody's taking IU seriously amongst the 615 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,520 traditional media. Like the traditional media voted 616 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,280 Indiana 17th out of 18 teams. There are some cracks in that. 617 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,160 It's interesting because we've we've heard a couple of 618 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,880 podcasts, not ours, say Indiana could win eight games this year. 619 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,280 You know, one there was another podcast I've lost. 620 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,800 There's so many of them have lost track, but like on the 11 621 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,760 guy said, well, they they're not going to be very good. 622 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,760 Another was like, they might have more wins than Michigan 623 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,520 State and Washington combined. I mean, there's it's all over 624 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,600 the place. And part of this, and it kind of 625 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,240 goes back to something you said earlier. 626 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,120 It's such a reset in college football year over year now 627 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,880 because of the fact that you bring in a brand new team. 628 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,840 I mean, we think Indiana's done that because they've got what, 629 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,920 35 transfers and a bunch of guys who have been starters. 630 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,920 Signetti mentioned. Like this is a team that's going 631 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,160 to have like 31 seniors just in terms of like, not just the guys 632 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,320 that were stuck around, but all the transfers that came to that 633 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,040 don't have any eligibility left after this year. 634 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,200 But Washington, I think has even more. 635 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,600 Like Washington was like around 40 transfers. 636 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,040 It's half your team, you know, So when you're talking about, 637 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,440 you know, when Signetti himself in press conferences is talking 638 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,360 about, it's really hard to prep because you don't have a lot of 639 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,680 tape from guys that are going to be there to watch. 640 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,840 You don't see a lot in spring ball. 641 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,920 He was mentioning, like, trying to scout Washington 642 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,320 specifically. And it's like, we're going to 643 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,520 have to look at or at at Arizona footage because that's where Jed 644 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,920 Fish was from. Yeah. 645 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,520 That's what a lot of coaches are having to do if they're 646 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,520 struggling to know how to evaluate teams. 647 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,560 Media have no shot. I mean, nobody's watching that 648 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,720 much film. You know, nobody's paying that 649 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,720 much attention. Nobody's got access to that kind 650 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,600 of material. So it's, this isn't a criticism. 651 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,560 But most of the time these polls and the way that people project, 652 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,680 it's going to be based off of the profile of the school and 653 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,840 what the school has done up to that point. 654 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,440 And if you look at Indiana and you saw how Indiana played last 655 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,280 year and the struggles that they had, and then you look at the 656 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,280 Big 10 as a whole and you're trying to evaluate based upon 657 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,240 that. Of course you're going to have 658 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,320 Indiana in like the bottom one or two teams. 659 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,240 I, I don't see what the argument would be against that. 660 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,080 But that's all that you're basing it off of. 661 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,720 You're not basing it off of knowing what Indiana's got 662 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,680 because I don't even think Indiana knows what they've got. 663 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,800 We don't know if Curtis Rourke is going to be a big 10 caliber 664 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,080 starter. We don't know if all these 665 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,040 transfers are going to come in and play well. 666 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,120 We don't know, you know, how Signetti's approach is going to 667 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,960 translate. There's all these intangibles 668 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,440 and there's also intangibles with a lot of the teams on 669 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,520 Indiana's schedule and you go down the list like how does 670 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,480 Maryland recover from not having Taga Vailoa as their starting 671 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,080 quarterback? How does UCLA recover from not 672 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,400 having Chip Kelly and not having a lot of NIL money? 673 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,200 How does Washington recover from losing all of those people and 674 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,000 having a brand new coaching staff come in? 675 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,880 How does Northwestern recover from deciding to play in a 676 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,560 10,000 seat stadium? You know, I'll be like, there's 677 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,400 just all kinds of those things. Michigan State's another one 678 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,120 where you're like, who knows? So there's there's very few 679 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,760 Givens and I don't blame people for underrating or 680 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,320 underestimating Indiana because if I didn't know, if I wasn't 681 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,480 plugged in to the Kurt Signetti rejuvenation machine, I would 682 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,360 probably underrate Indiana too. I'm, and we're probably sitting 683 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,720 here, you know, we've been dogging UCLA and talking about 684 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,320 how that's potentially an easy win. 685 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,280 We're looking at Washington being like, well, they may not 686 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,880 be very good and we're you're not sitting there with an IV 687 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,120 drip of Jed Fish quotes from the offseason or something like 688 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,600 that. So, you know, same with me. 689 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,760 So it's just one of those things where it's a natural to put 690 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,960 Indiana in that spot. And I actually think it helps 691 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,640 Indiana because it will position them in a place where perhaps 692 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,200 they're not taken as seriously, at least in the first year. 693 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,240 And that may be what Indiana needs to, you know, win a couple 694 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,280 of one score games that they lost last year. 695 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,520 So 2, two things. One, as you talk about, you 696 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,720 know, teams having so many variables as they're preparing 697 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,360 for do do you think Signetti has made a real tactical error here 698 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,120 by naming a starting quarterback in Rourke? 699 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,200 I mean, should we go back to another variable It's just not 700 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,840 having We shouldn't. Maybe we should not name a 701 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,600 starter and just try that again. You know, I, I, I got to say, 702 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,520 this is the frustration that I've had You and I have talked 703 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,040 about this a lot. When you see something that 704 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,560 doesn't matter being pushed forward as something that 705 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,080 matters, it really does reduce your confidence. 706 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,080 And this is, I think this is a great lesson for leaders in any 707 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,040 walk of life. If you're, if you're ACEO or if 708 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,240 you're running a division of a business and you fixate on 709 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,720 something that is clearly not an advantage, but you keep talking 710 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,080 about it being an advantage, you're going to start to lose 711 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,320 people. And I think that's kind of what 712 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,320 happened. I mean, the it's, it's still 713 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,320 fascinating to me that we spent that much time being like, we, 714 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,320 we couldn't possibly let you know who's going to be the 715 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,000 starting quarterback because you know, that's going to give the 716 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,520 other team an advantage for what a drive, you know, and, and it's 717 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,840 funny now, especially in this era where teams are changing 718 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,199 over by a ridiculous degree, like you've got, there's so much 719 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,920 more subterviews just kind of built into college football 720 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,679 because you don't know what the roster is going to be from one 721 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:38,760 year or next. But hey, guess what? 722 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,440 That's how a lot of football works. 723 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,840 That's how it works at the at the pro level. 724 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:47,199 When the average career length is what, three years, you've got 725 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,400 all this change over. Somehow those coaches are still 726 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,000 able to do what they need, need to do. 727 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,560 So I am glad that there's some stability, that there's a clear 728 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,920 hierarchy. I do think that that helps to 729 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,680 breed, you know, a, a mindset of here's what we're going to be 730 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,080 doing and it's nice to get away from that particular mode of 731 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,920 operation. Yes, yeah, the, the the second 732 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,840 one and I, you know, again, like, like you said, I'm not, 733 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,360 I'm not, I'm not digging into UCLA's offseason. 734 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,320 I'm barely digging into IU football's offseason, but where 735 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,840 I do think, as you know, people who are paying attention to IU 736 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,160 football and I think Signetti is seeing this also. 737 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,760 You know it, it does feel like the quiet, quiet confidence is 738 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,720 coming from the schedule. You might have been talking 739 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,120 about this for like almost three years. 740 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,200 You you saw ahead, you saw how advantageous the schedule was 741 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,840 early on and then even with the new Big 10 pieces. 742 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,880 But, you know, we'll be doing a pod, a preview podcast soon 743 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,200 going through each game, but you would assume the first two 744 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,960 games, FIU and Western Illinois, those should be wins. 745 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,120 And then, you know, if, if you're just taking how people 746 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,920 looked professionally and seemed to run an organization, you 747 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,960 know, I did see some clips of Desean Foster at media day. 748 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,840 I, I, I feel good with where we're going coaching versus US 749 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,360 and them. And UCLA isn't exactly a world 750 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,760 beater. I mean there's and you just keep 751 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,240 going through the schedule. There's a world where you know, 752 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,560 we're we're hosting Maryland. I also noticed that the Big 10 753 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,360 did list their games for the Big 10 tailgate and that will be the 754 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,320 the game that Indiana gets. So the Maryland game on 755 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,600 September 28th, the Big 10 tailgate were there. 756 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,160 It's not quite game day, but you could have a scenario where 757 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,320 that's a four and O Indiana team with the Big 10 tailgate, like a 758 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,480 real hyped up environment playing Maryland where you could 759 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,840 be looking at going five and O and two and O in the Big 10. 760 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,280 That's not illogical. And so I, I'm not going to keep 761 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,440 going from there, But I just, I think there is a real path to 762 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,720 seeing that as a possibility. Not like we have in the past 763 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,800 where it's like, well, you know, maybe if Michigan State sucks or 764 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,760 if, you know, Minnesota's not as like this is a real path to a 765 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,880 real kind of nice pivot point in the season where it's like there 766 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,520 could be a lot of enthusiasm. And I, I feel like that's also 767 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,960 where some of this confidence is coming from. 768 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:02,200 Yeah, it's there's so many options that the season has in 769 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,400 terms of like the option is the wrong word, but there's so many 770 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,080 directions it could potentially go. 771 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,520 It's nice to have that pathway in front of you where if you 772 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,960 take advantage of it, it's a nice runway for what could 773 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,400 happen through the rest of the season. 774 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,880 It's also a young team, it's a new team, it's a team that's 775 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,560 still going to have to learn how to mesh. 776 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,960 And so we'll, that's where the balance has to come from from us 777 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,280 as analysts and pundits to, to try to evaluate where things are 778 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,080 going. It's just, I'm just excited. 779 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,240 There was such a trepidation going into last season. 780 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,880 I remember sitting here last year and just kind of being 781 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,120 like, well, I guess we're going to run this back. 782 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,000 And, you know, it looked like we're going to run it back for 783 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,840 two years in a row. So to be in the spot that we're 784 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,280 in now where we're talking about this and you got entertaining 785 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,920 stuff going on at media day. It's just it just the the the 786 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,320 the overall, the old. Well, I didn't say vibe because 787 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,240 it's more than because we used vibe a lot last year. 788 00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:00,560 But the aura around IU football is different. 789 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,160 And we'll yeah, the patina. That's right. 790 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,280 Yes, it's it's it's nice, a nice Foss for bronze at this point. 791 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,880 But yeah, it's it's it's just fun and I'm excited and it's 792 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,480 great to see the coaches right now having fun with it and the 793 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,520 players, you know, seem to be in a good mindset. 794 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,840 And then I guess the last thing I'll say on this mindset, as I 795 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,720 think we talked about when Signetti got hired, mindset is 796 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,840 such an important thing. There's as much as we like to 797 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,800 make a, you know, the, the difference in terms of teams 798 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,520 from a physical perspective isn't always as big as we think 799 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,800 it is, certainly between the very top teams. 800 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,840 Like Ohio State's athletes look like they're from a different 801 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,640 solar system than Indiana's in a lot of cases. 802 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,240 But mindset helps a lot. And we've seen teams that don't 803 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:54,120 have the talent of Ohio State compete against Ohio State, beat 804 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,960 Ohio State, including Indiana teams. 805 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,560 Where did that come from? That either came from great 806 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,480 scheme or great mindset. I think Indiana's got the chance 807 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,840 to have both, and that is exciting. 808 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,880 And I'm looking forward to seeing what it looks like over 809 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,120 the course, especially that first month where you're still 810 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,160 seeing the settling in happening because that can set the pathway 811 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,200 for the rest of the season. Yep, yeah. 812 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,600 Anyway, we'll, we'll keep up to speed for you all on that. 813 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,120 They'll be plenty to talk about. We'll have some, some fun 814 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,440 interviews coming out throughout the course of this upcoming next 815 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,480 couple of of of of months and I guess next month. 816 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,720 It's only we've only got, what, 36 days until the season starts? 817 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,000 Very soon. Wild. 818 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:38,800 Anyway, let's let's move on slightly. 819 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,000 I want to talk about the college football video game. 820 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,880 I recorded something last week where I talked about some 821 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,760 problems with the game. You know, there were certainly 822 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,920 some positive things. I've enjoyed actually playing 823 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,040 the football. It gets devilishly difficult 824 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,440 once you get above like varsity level, but they actually dropped 825 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:02,240 a patch and that patch fixed some of the things that I 826 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,400 complained about last time and I haven't had a chance to really 827 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,600 dive in post patch too much. But you've been playing as well. 828 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,200 Would have been your overall reflections on the experience of 829 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,040 playing college football for the first time in a long time. 830 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,480 So we, we were at a lake house last week. 831 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,240 So it dropped. I I was not in in a position to 832 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:23,320 download a game. You were at a lake house? 833 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,160 I don't believe that last year. Yeah. 834 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,480 Yeah, last week. Yeah. 835 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,240 So, but it's like it was family time, vacation. 836 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,320 Like, I was not going to be like, hey, well, you guys go 837 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,920 have fun. I'm going to play NCAA Football 838 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,800 for 10 hours. So I I got it, you know, like 839 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,440 three or four days ago. I listened to your podcast first 840 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,240 and then started playing. So I went in with some of your 841 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,400 thought mindset. I've I'm still only year one in 842 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,000 my dynasty. So I, I don't, I don't know some 843 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,880 of the longer term things that you're talking about, but it was 844 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,520 funny going into the recruiting and I heard you talk about how 845 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,600 like, you know, kind of not super intuitive and not sure. 846 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,200 And I'm like, all right, well, that's just, I'm, I played a ton 847 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,000 of NCAA. I'm sure Galen's just missing 848 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,640 stuff. So I go into the dynasty and 849 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,520 then it's like week two, I go in and it's like, wait, why? 850 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,360 Why are like half my points already gone? 851 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,120 Like why, why is it like auto recruited? 852 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,720 Like going like checks the auto recruits Like, oh, no, it 853 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:15,640 doesn't auto recruit. Just like what you do one week 854 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,520 automatically goes the next week and then like a little red gem 855 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,880 pumps up and I'm like, I think that's bad. 856 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,120 But like what? What is the gem? 857 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,840 Is that good? Or besides, like I'm literally 858 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,880 I've done more Googling for this game than I've ever done where 859 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,400 it's like NCLO football 25 red gem. 860 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,040 What does it mean? And it's like, oh, there's a red 861 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,400 gem, there's a green gem. It's like it does you see it, it 862 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,680 kind of makes sense. But there's also like all these 863 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,840 icons in the recruiting that I'm just like, don't know what any 864 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,560 of these things mean. Maybe I sound super old, maybe 865 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,160 just Googling is the new directions. 866 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,200 But there there was kind of an unintuitiveness that you are 867 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,000 100% right. There's still little things like 868 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:52,080 I created a custom playbook. I cannot find out how to make it 869 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,200 my playbook in my dynasty and I've been Googling trying to how 870 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,480 to figure that out. Outside of that, the gameplay is 871 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,040 really smooth. Some of the stuff did come right 872 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,320 back. I was able to find some of the 873 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,240 yeah, thanks for your, your comment down there. 874 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:09,160 I tried to warn them the, the, the gameplay is very smooth. 875 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,000 Some of the things came back. You know, the, I started in 876 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,920 freshman. I played a game as Texas, just, 877 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:14,960 you know, kind of the fun offense. 878 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,520 I was just crushing somebody like, like, all right, this kind 879 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,360 of came back. Then I, I stepped up the level 880 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,920 to varsity and I noticed it getting a little bit tougher. 881 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,360 But no, it's it's thus far, I think you're a little bit, you 882 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,320 were a little bit harder on the game than I would have been. 883 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,080 I would say it's a recommend to go out and buy just because it 884 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,640 is, it is fun. The gameplay is fun. 885 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,440 And you know, I hopefully they can fix some of those longer 886 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,120 term things. I just have not had to get with 887 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,840 it. But once you once you kind of 888 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,320 understand how the mechanics of all the recruiting pieces work, 889 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,880 like once you figure stuff out, it's all right. 890 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,120 But yeah, there is a there's definitely some Googling. 891 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,680 It's going to need to happen when you get going. 892 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:57,040 And, and I, you know, I think that it really depends on how 893 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,960 much you need absolute or at least a perception of absolute 894 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,800 realism in order for it not to be immersion breaking. 895 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,520 That ends up kind of being the, the borderline for a lot of 896 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,920 people in this case. I look at it like this. 897 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,040 It's a fun game. I actually think the patch 898 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,840 addressed quite a bit. It just takes an adaptation and 899 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,000 there's going to be some things in the SIM engine that don't 900 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,320 work very well simply because of the the weird way that college 901 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,320 football is shaped right now. But I think you can make some 902 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,200 changes yourself to the mix that help. 903 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,160 There's some, there's already some stuff out there with 904 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,840 Googling, whether it's YouTube or Reddit. 905 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,160 Both of those communities have done a really good job of diving 906 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,760 into some of the mechanics. I've picked up some tips on the 907 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,080 recruiting front, which have helped. 908 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,040 I picked up some tips on the gameplay which have helped. 909 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,560 And I feel less awkward. You know, I think for a lot of 910 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,920 people this is a weird launch because, you know, it's, it's 911 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,520 aimed at us, Scott. It's aimed at people our age. 912 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,840 Yes, it's certainly aimed at younger people, but the bulk of 913 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,120 the excitement seems to be coming from people between like 914 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:04,000 ages 35 and 50, not coming from people ages like 12 to 25. 915 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,080 Now, I think that will grow, but I'm actually surprised at how 916 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,160 close they tried to get to the experience that most people had 917 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,000 before. And yeah, they missed a mark on 918 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,880 some things, but I think that they can round those things into 919 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,800 shape overtime. It's just it's also an 920 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,760 interesting era for this sort of thing because what you end up 921 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,240 with is this situation where people get really vicious online 922 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,280 when there's things that happen that they don't like and you 923 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,000 know, everybody. Because when you are critical or 924 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,960 when you are when you're complaining about something, 925 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,040 you're going to get more attention on social media. 926 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,520 And so that's been the 1st place that most people have gone. 927 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,720 It's like, let me go be loud and angry about something and that 928 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,760 will lead to more attention being given to me. 929 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:48,960 It's not going to help with the game. 930 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,000 And a lot of times it actually provide provides an inaccurate 931 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,240 picture of where the game is at. So yeah, I know I would 932 00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:58,080 definitely say buy it. I just wanted people to go in 933 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,040 with some expectations based on what I had seen. 934 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,960 And then credit to EA, they did drop a patch short shortly after 935 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,760 I did that. I'm sure it was my podcast to 936 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,840 kind of push them over the edge on those things. 937 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll be a sponsor soon. 938 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,360 The other thing that I was kind of surprised with, and again, 939 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:14,800 man, forgive me, things change quickly. 940 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,880 I know it's not Division One. It's, you know, football, the 941 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,840 FBS or but I was I, I just remember what like we talked 942 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,640 about in one of our previews, like the Idaho team and the KIBI 943 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,480 Dome, like Idaho's not in the game. 944 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,160 Like I, I remember there just being like a plethora of teams, 945 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,560 like 140 teams in the old game. I was surprised at how few of 946 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,640 like obviously all the teams are there, like you're missing 947 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,920 Michigan or Michigan State or something. 948 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,000 But it's like they're, they didn't seem to be the same 949 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,840 number of teams. Like, you know, as again, 950 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,360 starting out a dynasty. I'm like, all right, I don't 951 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,720 want to. I'll start with a bad team. 952 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:47,880 And it's like there wasn't as many bad teams available or just 953 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,480 kind of it, it felt like a little bit more like what 954 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,200 college sports is now just the cream rising the top and here 955 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,760 kind of the top 50 or so teams. Although it was, it was fun 956 00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,680 pulling the stars that you're giving me that look. 957 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,160 Maybe it's just Idaho that was missing. 958 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,400 Idaho, yeah, 'cause Idaho's not FBS and they don't have FCS 959 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,400 teams in there, but there's like 130 teams in the game, so it. 960 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,640 It felt like less, but maybe, maybe that's with my memory. 961 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,200 I think it, I think it's because there's everybody's packed in 962 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,720 conferences. And I mean, I would recommend 963 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,840 and 'cause I think it's a valid, it's a valid point because 964 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,040 you're used to seeing more conferences and you can see more 965 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,000 teams. Go to ESP NS standings page for 966 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,120 college football and page through it and you'd be like, 967 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,880 how many teams are in the American. 968 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,760 Yeah, how how many teams are in the Sunbelt? 969 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,160 It is wild, like how clustered college football has been. 970 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,400 And that's I because I I did have a similar thing there to 971 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,240 the point where I'm going to start a new dynasty this weekend 972 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,000 where I just do a complete realignment based upon what I 973 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,520 want college football to look like. 974 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,640 I think that's a better way of going about things. 975 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,280 Sorry. Go ahead. 976 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,800 I'm I'm in a dynasty with my brother-in-law and he's Eastern 977 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,880 Carolina and it's like I got to remember what conference they're 978 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,480 in. It's like they're in the 979 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,240 American. They're also East Carolina. 980 00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,720 They're going to come and beat you up. 981 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,520 So I'm playing UTAP and there's many times I'm like, I think I 982 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,280 should be in the sunbelt. Like no, I'm in Conference USA 983 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,960 like feel UTAP as a sunbelt team. 984 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,760 The other thing where they miss the mark definitely for like 985 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,480 people like you and I is there is no cross play on dynasty 986 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,200 games. Obviously cross play exists 987 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,120 because there is real cross play for you and I can play online. 988 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,280 You're an Xbox. I'm APS five guy. 989 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,040 You know, I'll, I'll just say this in our, in our world of 990 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,200 political divisions, Galen, we need to be coming across the 991 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,600 aisle. And I think this is where EA 992 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,080 Sports needs to understand that we're not, we're not a red 993 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,520 country, not a blue country, we're not APS 5 country, not an 994 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,600 Xbox country. We are an all gaming country. 995 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,880 Like not having cross play for dynasties is is kind of silly. 996 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,120 It makes me wonder if there is going to be a $20 patch coming 997 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,560 out that solves that. But it does seem like that's 998 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,920 that that's kind of almost a real F you to a lot of the fans 999 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,480 because like you have to know this is an environment where, 1000 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,440 you know, I would not say there's one clear gaming console 1001 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,000 standard. It does feel like PS5 and Xbox 1002 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,160 are both have a pretty sizable market share. 1003 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,320 It's not like you're talking about, you know, you know, VHS 1004 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,680 and Betamax back in like 89 or something and and then every 1005 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,440 other game has cross play enabled. 1006 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,400 And then even within your own game, you have cross play 1007 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,600 enabled in other areas. To not have it in kind of the 1008 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,360 one key part that everyone's really going to want to play 1009 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,520 does seem like almost like an intentional miss for some 1010 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,440 reason. Yeah, I mean, we'll see. 1011 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,720 I, I think that'll probably get fixed down the road. 1012 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:33,760 I mean, I, I get the sense even with two years to work on 1013 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,360 things, there were just, there were some things that they just 1014 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,400 didn't do. And I think you, there's some, 1015 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,280 some criticism there, certainly. But it is disappointing when 1016 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,640 something that was promised as a, a feature doesn't end up 1017 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,600 actually happening. And there's been a few things 1018 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,040 like that. But look, again, I'm willing to 1019 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,040 wait until right before this the regular college football season 1020 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,480 starts. And this is, I think one of the 1021 00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,160 big differences between the old, like the last time college 1022 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,800 football came out as a video game was 2013, like it was 11 1023 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,320 years ago. It was a very different world 1024 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,680 back then. Yes, there were patches, but the 1025 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,240 the way that video games get downloaded and used these days 1026 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,800 is very, you know, everybody was getting a physical copy of the 1027 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,400 game in 2013. Very few people are getting 1028 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,840 physical copies of the game in 2024. 1029 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,360 It's not to say that it isn't happening, but a lot of people 1030 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,960 are just buying on whatever the store is, PS5 or the OR the Xbox 1031 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,360 store, and downloading directly from that. 1032 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,160 There's patches that come out more regularly. 1033 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,560 In some ways it's a much more stabilized system because you're 1034 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,560 not reliant on an Internet. You are relying on an Internet 1035 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,960 connection, but you're not reliant on them getting it right 1036 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,320 the first time. But it is disappointing, and we 1037 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,080 see this a lot in the video game industry in general where stuff 1038 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,040 gets released in a not ready state because there's an 1039 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,640 announced sell date and then it has to be patched. 1040 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,840 So if you dive in early, you can get disappointed very quickly. 1041 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,320 And that is a problem that I think a lot of people maybe are 1042 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,040 running into with this game. And again, I think, as I said on 1043 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,080 the last show, just let it breathe a little bit. 1044 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,040 And I think they're going to get a lot of those problems fixed, 1045 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,320 at least I hope so. They got Memorial Stadium right. 1046 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,240 Yes, looks good. The only thing, and this is kind 1047 00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,360 of always been an issue with the college football games. 1048 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,040 I, I wish they would go, and this is a very minor Scott 1049 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,320 thing, but I wish they would go deeper in some of the 1050 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,840 alternative jerseys. Like if you're, if you're IU, 1051 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,520 like UTEP has like 3 jersey choices. 1052 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,000 Like it's just, you know, three colors. 1053 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,320 Same with IU, although it's like they, they have two different 1054 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:29,960 versions of the Trident and the eye helmet. 1055 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,280 And I can't tell the, the difference, but there are two 1056 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,280 different versions. But it would be cool if they 1057 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,040 brought back like, you know, the, the Oval and the, the, the, 1058 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,520 the Chrome striped helmet. You know, if if there was a 1059 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,200 little more attention to detail for teams with all of their 1060 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,280 their throwback possibilities, makes it a little bit more, a 1061 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,520 little more, you know, things you can play around with during 1062 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,600 a dynasty. I agree. 1063 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,280 We'll see what happens. I mean, my, the one thing I 1064 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,160 always like to do is do the so the create a team stuff all 1065 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,600 happens online. I always like to create the 1066 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:03,400 Chicago Maroons and put them back in the Big 10 that you 1067 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,040 know, and then like then we have a nice regional conference. 1068 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,200 I'll probably going to do that. There's actually some somebody's 1069 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,080 already created the Chicago Maroons on team builder. 1070 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,720 I'm going to put that original Big 10 team back in the Big 10. 1071 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,480 That's a good rebuild challenge if you're looking to to do 1072 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,280 something unique. So that's something that I will 1073 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,920 probably be attending to. Stuff like that though with IU, 1074 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,760 like little detail things. I think a lot of that is going 1075 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,400 to get added in future itinerations. 1076 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,640 It's a lot of stuff. You get 130 teams in college 1077 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,640 football. That's a lot of little details 1078 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,080 that you got to hit across the board. 1079 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,760 I am interested to see how they handle all of that as we move 1080 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:43,560 forward. So anyway, it's the 26th of July 1081 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,320 and what we're going to try to do moving forward here is, you 1082 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,800 know, we're we're going to ramp up a bit on the football side, 1083 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,600 you know, basketball kind of in a holding pattern. 1084 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,000 We know what the non conference schedule is going to be, Scott. 1085 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,720 We don't know what the conference schedule is going to 1086 00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:56,720 be. We probably aren't going to know 1087 00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:00,280 that until the end of August. I would guess maybe even early 1088 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,240 September. But this will be we'll do a lot 1089 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,840 of football stuff here over the course of the next few weeks as 1090 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,400 we try to get a sense of what this team's going to look like. 1091 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,320 Obviously, we're about as much in the dark as everybody else in 1092 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,440 terms of how the pieces are going to mesh together, but I 1093 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,800 think we can start doing some studies and some interesting 1094 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,360 things about the teams that Indiana is going to play and 1095 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,920 just how Indiana is we think is going to attack things. 1096 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:29,880 Obviously, you know our friends over at Bite Sized Bison, Taylor 1097 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,440 Lehman, he's going to be doing a lot of great work with data and 1098 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,040 we'll have him on a few times to talk about what he's seeing and 1099 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,760 some of the projections going on there. 1100 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,680 But that should be a fun next month as we ramp up for that 1101 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,720 first game that Indiana hosts the the end of August. 1102 00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:48,400 Tailgate is always a hot 1, so we'll be prepping for that as 1103 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:49,760 well. On the food side, we'll talk 1104 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,160 about a little bit of that. So I'm excited. 1105 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,480 We're looking forward to football season being back as it 1106 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,520 really does feel close and looking forward to chatting 1107 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,080 about this with you. Any anything else from you 1108 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,400 before we wrap up today? No, it it's a, it's a very quick 1109 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,760 minor postscript. Can I can I make one thought on 1110 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,480 the schedule for basketball? Yeah, sure. 1111 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, please. It's, it's not a fully formed 1112 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,440 thought and I, I, I never fully like going down the road of, you 1113 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,560 know, hey, I'm a season ticket holder and like, I'm spending 1114 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,880 money on this. But it, this is, you know, when 1115 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,880 the, everything that you said about the schedule makes sense 1116 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,160 and I think it's all valid. I think the piece that is 1117 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,120 sometimes missed or not discussed is it it it is just 1118 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,520 kind of a bummer as a season ticket holder, how many games in 1119 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,560 the non conference that Indiana controls are just games that I 1120 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,160 really don't want to go to and I feel like I'm paying for and 1121 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,080 don't get. And you and I used to joke about 1122 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,360 going to like what you and I would go to the premier non 1123 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,080 conference game and I I went back and looked in the last like 1124 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,760 five years. So last year there was two 1125 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,560 games, you know what, one Kansas, we finished season 1126 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,080 ranked 27th. I guess Army is also a named 1127 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,760 team, but they were 300 and 44th. 1128 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,760 But it's like you didn't know like I know Army versus like, 1129 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,080 you know, Merrimack State or whatever. 1130 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,080 The year before was North Carolina. 1131 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,800 That's fine. The year before that I remember 1132 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,240 was like St. John's and you're like, I guess, 1133 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,960 I guess this is it. The year before that was a 1134 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,400 COVID. That was the COVID season. 1135 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,960 Like there was just that was a funky year. 1136 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,880 There was not a lot of non conferences fine. 1137 00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:14,000 The year before that you had Princeton and Florida State 1138 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,520 Princeton, I just go again with the name 150th in the country. 1139 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,200 And then the year before that you had kind of a nice year. 1140 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,400 You had Marquette and Louisville both coming to Assembly Hall. 1141 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,640 That that's kind of fun. I, I, I would just say with the 1142 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,320 schedule, the thing that's kind of a bummer. 1143 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,280 And, and this ties into football as a season ticket holder on 1144 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,200 both sides. And I firmly agree with 1145 00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,080 everything football is doing with the schedule. 1146 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,280 And I firmly agree, like we shouldn't be scheduling, you 1147 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,920 know, better schools and football. 1148 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,040 But it is just, you know, in a world where the varsity club 1149 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,200 wants money and now NIL wants money from from donors. 1150 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,640 And then, you know, pieces of that used to be part of kind of 1151 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,840 the program are now costing extra in football. 1152 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,680 And then you have to pay for your tickets and those ticket 1153 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,640 prices go up. It is just a bummer. 1154 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,600 It's like there's not a lot of fun teams coming through to see. 1155 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,000 And it does feel like this is where basketball can step it up. 1156 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,960 And I was looking at the schedule, you know, just over 1157 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,680 the last couple of years, it's a lot of, you know, Kennesaw State 1158 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,000 and Merrimack State and you know, you, you can go, you know, 1159 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,080 we played Xavier on the road. Why not get a home and home with 1160 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,600 them? You know, and I look, you know, 1161 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,000 there's, there's teams like DePaul is not great. 1162 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,720 They're a regional team. You know, I'm also, as I'm 1163 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:23,520 saying my own argument, I'm kind of knocking it down. 1164 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,640 I'm not sure it really matters like if you're just trying to 1165 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,680 get wins, get wins. But I do wonder if there's 1166 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,800 something, you know, maybe you look to get some, you know, 1167 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,400 Evansville or just more regional teams that are also not great to 1168 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,480 pad some of those wins, at least to make them a little bit more 1169 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,560 of interesting games. If you're not going to pull one 1170 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,760 or two better, you know, non conference games at home. 1171 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,040 But I would just say that's, you know, it's kind of been 1172 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,840 Indiana's MO the last five years to have one OK team come in. 1173 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,440 It just sucks this year at South Carolina and not like a Kansas 1174 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,480 or a North Carolina. It kind of feels like that year 1175 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,240 and you know, 2122 with Saint John's. 1176 00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,320 But that that's just it. It's kind of 1/2 form thought 1177 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,200 that I'm not fully convicted on. But just as someone who's paying 1178 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,080 money, it is a bummer when you know, so many of the non 1179 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,560 conference games are just like this. 1180 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:14,400 This is all BTN Plus to me. I'm I'm offended by that last 1181 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:15,440 comment. No, no, no. 1182 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,640 Just like I. Mean like it's a BTN plus game? 1183 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,720 Like if this is a game that would be put on BTN Plus it's no 1184 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,040 not. Having having done play by play 1185 00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,520 for an IU game that was on Big 10 Plus last year, I'm a little 1186 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,600 bit hurt, Scott. But yeah, I get what you're 1187 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,320 saying though. And here's what I will say. 1188 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,520 I think, well, hey, people wanted people wanted fights, you 1189 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,640 know, we got it. No, I'm kidding. 1190 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,320 Here's the thing I'll say, and I think I said this when the 1191 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,560 schedule was first released, or at least the non conference one, 1192 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,640 there's a balance that Indiana has to strike. 1193 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,440 When you bring in this many new players, you've got to have some 1194 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,280 on ramp to get to what is going to be a pretty tough Big 10 1195 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,520 schedule just because of the slog of playing 20 games and 1196 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,200 having some decent teams in there. 1197 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,600 UCLA should be good, Purdue will be very good. 1198 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:10,880 You know, this team's Indiana's got to deal with I as I've had 1199 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,200 some time to ruminate on the schedule. 1200 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,680 I think it just highlights that IU is still in this weird mode 1201 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:24,800 where they're putting all their eggs in a, in a, in one basket 1202 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,240 when it comes to the schedule. And that basket was Battle for 1203 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,280 Atlantis and they have to do well there. 1204 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,160 So this schedule is fine if you play good teams and at least 1205 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,560 beat one of them there. And if they if that doesn't 1206 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,080 happen, then the schedule won't be sufficient. 1207 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:45,440 And, and I do think that fans are willing to some degree to 1208 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,480 accept not playing name brand teams. 1209 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,720 If you're winning a bunch of games. 1210 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,600 Like if Indiana goes undefeated in the non conference, then I 1211 00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,800 don't think anybody's going to complain about what the schedule 1212 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,480 was. The problem has been that 1213 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,120 historically Indiana hasn't gone undefeated in the non 1214 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,080 conference. And then you get upset because 1215 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,280 not only did I, you know, not get a marquee opponent to watch, 1216 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,280 I also just don't think that that helped Indiana in terms of 1217 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,840 what they were trying to do. And I, I am curious how that all 1218 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,800 plays out with this upcoming year because ultimately this, 1219 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,680 you know, Indiana just wasn't where it needed to be. 1220 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,520 And the advanced statistics back that up last year. 1221 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,400 What is going to make Indiana better is, is playing better 1222 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,280 teams going to make Indiana better? 1223 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:35,800 Like you can't convince me that in 2023 Indiana wasn't helped at 1224 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,800 least some way by traveling to play a what ended up being a 1225 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,720 very good Xavier team on the road that they weren't helped 1226 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,040 by. You know, they played North 1227 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,000 Carolina, who seemed like they were going to be very good. 1228 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,760 Even the even the losses they had to Arizona and Kansas, I 1229 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,880 think help that team down the road in terms of understanding 1230 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,640 how to play against Tom competition. 1231 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,360 I don't know how, you know, this year really results in that. 1232 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,840 And I think you can make the argument that last year those 1233 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,480 games really didn't help Indiana that much in terms of how they 1234 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,440 developed. So, you know, a lot of what 1235 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,240 we're used to is, again, it's the Bob Knight method of 1236 00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,600 scheduling where you schedule all of these tough opponents. 1237 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,240 Izzo does this all the time. It seems to it. 1238 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,080 It historically worked for Michigan State. 1239 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,520 Has it worked that much for Michigan State the last couple 1240 00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:19,640 of years? Maybe not. 1241 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,920 And there's, you know, so you have to balance that other 1242 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,960 calculus of I know our fans want to play against higher profile 1243 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,440 teams, but ultimately our goal is or in our, what has to be our 1244 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,680 mission is get the team into the NCAA tournament. 1245 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,960 And there's a particular computer methodology that has to 1246 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,680 be utilized in terms of who you schedule to get to that point. 1247 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,200 And that stinks because we don't want to play like fans don't 1248 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,040 want to see you play a computer. They want to see you actually 1249 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,120 compete on the floor. I don't know. 1250 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,960 I really, I, I'm torn on this because I get the, the pragmatic 1251 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,120 nature of the schedule. I just think it leaves Indiana 1252 00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,280 open for stuff to go wrong at a level that perhaps nobody's 1253 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,160 going to be comfortable with. I, I agree with all that. 1254 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,680 I, I guess I, I just can, I was looking at it from the, the 1255 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,600 point of view like, Oh, that's true, but it's like there's 1256 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:10,720 somebody still has to pay for this. 1257 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,280 It's like this is where Indiana is in a bind. 1258 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,040 As someone who's been a season ticket holder for gosh, like 1259 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,120 almost 20 years now, it's tough year in. 1260 01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,120 It kind of reminds me of like the airlines and the baggage 1261 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,240 fees. If you remember way back in the 1262 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,360 day, there used to be no baggage fees in airlines. 1263 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,200 Then like one of the years that the gas prices, air jet fuel 1264 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,280 went up way high and all the airlines like, all right, we're 1265 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,040 going to put a baggage fee, but it'll go away once the air, you 1266 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,440 know, the jet jet fuel goes down. 1267 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,240 It never goes away. But this is kind of what it 1268 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,040 feels like, like the prices you're always paying a premium 1269 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,120 price for IU basketball compared to other entertainment. 1270 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,200 I'm also a season ticket holder with the Pacers and I pay 1271 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,640 similar rates for similar tickets And I I year in, year 1272 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,880 out, I always feel like the Pacers provide me a little bit 1273 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,800 more. It's also because I know that, 1274 01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,960 you know, I'm getting I'm going to see, you know, high level 1275 01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:05,040 teams come through game bridge. But you know, the thing with 1276 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,480 that, with IU basketball is just the, the price is always at the 1277 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,000 premium in the big 10 and the product and the schedule always 1278 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,200 isn't. And, and you're everything 1279 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,040 you're saying is right. It's just like it, it just fills 1280 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,440 down like it's kind of becomes a problem. 1281 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,600 And I'll, I'll end on this because there's no, do not want 1282 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,920 to get deeper into this, but it, it becomes that problem where 1283 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,320 you, you, you can't really schedule like a Kansas or 1284 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,280 Michigan State right now because you don't have the team to 1285 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,080 compete for it. But this is where, you know, 1286 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,200 then you, you, you've got to kind of do the scheduling that 1287 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,560 we're doing. But that's not super fun for 1288 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,240 someone who's paying, you know, two $3000 a year for tickets to 1289 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,960 be getting kind of a mid tier schedule. 1290 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,080 But, but it's what you have to do to get back up there. 1291 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:49,480 It's just, it's a bummer that it feels like every year you can 1292 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,080 justify away why it has to be this way, But it's like, all 1293 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,720 right, I'm still paying for South Carolina. 1294 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,360 Like that's, that's basically what my non conference is paying 1295 01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,400 for. And the rest of them seem to be 1296 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,520 giving it anyway. That's it's just the, the cost 1297 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,720 versus what you're getting. But I I understand all the 1298 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,120 reasons why, so I'll get off it now. 1299 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,400 On that note, yeah, we'll go ahead and wrap up well. 1300 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,560 We'll be back with more coming up soon. 1301 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,880 And we'll have some VIP stuff for those of you who are on the 1302 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,480 paid subscriber list hopefully within the next couple of days. 1303 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,240 So thank you all again for joining us here on the show. 1304 01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,840 Thanks to our sponsors at home Field Apparel and be sure to 1305 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,440 check out the rest of the back home network as programming is 1306 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,600 ramping up all over the place for Scott. 1307 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,880 I'm Galen, this is Crimson cast. We'll catch you folks. 1308 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,280 On the flip side, bring back the bison. 1309 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:36,880 Good to talk to you folks. Hello everybody.