1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,900 You're listening to the back home network, presented by home 2 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:22,800 field apparel, welcome back to Crimson Castillo and caviar 3 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,500 joining. You Scott will be along 4 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:30,500 momentarily as we talked some IU basketball and some IU football 5 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:33,300 in the middle of the week. Indiana coming off a big win at 6 00:00:33,300 --> 00:00:36,400 home defeating the Wisconsin Badgers. 7 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:40,900 Us by a pretty sizable margin and getting ready to play at 8 00:00:40,900 --> 00:00:43,000 Illinois. This coming Thursday. 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,100 So you may be listening to this the day before you may be 10 00:00:45,100 --> 00:00:49,500 listening to it, the day of but we appreciate you listening, 11 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,600 nonetheless. And we're talk a little bit 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,400 about where Indiana is at right now. 13 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:58,200 Whether that Illinois, excuse me, whether there was constant 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,900 game indicated better times moving forward for Indiana or if 15 00:01:03,900 --> 00:01:07,300 it was Fool's Gold and there's probably some are Must be made 16 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,400 in both directions on that. But we're going to chat about 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,800 it, see where we end up Landing with things. 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,300 And we'll also talk IU football. Big commit for the Hoosiers. 19 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:19,500 This past week as they pick up a transfer. 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,000 And from a familiar family, familiar name, David Jackson for 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,500 Star Quarterback out of Center Grove spent the last couple of 22 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:29,500 years at Tennessee and is going to be a member of the Hoosiers 23 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:32,600 Squad. Moving ahead, an interesting 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,300 pickup for this Indiana team to say the least. 25 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:37,600 And we'll talk a little bit about Some of the implications 26 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,100 and where that leaves everything as the transfer portal is 27 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:45,000 rapidly coming to a close in college football and Indiana 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,100 trying to retool off of a, couple of disappointing seasons 29 00:01:48,100 --> 00:01:51,400 in a row. 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Now, as Scott obviously co-host 60 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:30,400 of the show and we had a nice conversation late yesterday 61 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:33,500 about all of the different things going on with IU, 62 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:36,300 basketball, what to believe what to think and what to Hope. 63 00:03:36,500 --> 00:03:40,000 For, with this team as they get ready to take on Illinois on 64 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,500 Thursday and then hosting Michigan State on Sunday. 65 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:46,700 Scott how you doing? Good, to talk to you again, 66 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:50,200 always good to see you, man, when a wind changes. 67 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,500 Everything it heals? All wounds correct. 68 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:54,400 Does it does it? That's what we're going to talk 69 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,700 about know, maybe not. But it's definitely, it's better 70 00:03:57,700 --> 00:03:59,700 than a loss. I can definitely say that. 71 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,300 No man, good to see you. And do you have? 72 00:04:01,500 --> 00:04:03,400 I know we did that. We talked about hope that they 73 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,300 drop their IU line. If you haven't checked it out, 74 00:04:05,300 --> 00:04:08,300 check it out. I We were privy to see it ahead 75 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:11,300 of time. I probably spent way too much. 76 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:13,800 Luckily, my wife doesn't listen to the podcast so I'm not going 77 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,300 to get in trouble. But yeah, bought more than my 78 00:04:16,300 --> 00:04:19,899 share of hope-filled apparel today with the I you drop. 79 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,400 Yeah. We've learned that the sanctity 80 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,400 and the safety of our marriages, you know, and the longevity 81 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,300 really depend on our wives, not listening to the podcast to find 82 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:33,800 out how much home field apparel that we purchased my whole field 83 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,400 story is We've been, you know, they let us see some of the 84 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,600 stuff ahead of time. We could get our hands on some 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,100 of it. I got the IU rags to roses 86 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:45,500 sweatshirt, which is just phenomenal. 87 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,000 But, I'm showing my wife, the sweatshirt. 88 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,200 And I'm holding it up. And she's like, it's not going 89 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,800 to be too small for you. And I'm like, where are you 90 00:04:51,808 --> 00:04:53,900 being mean? Or like you saying I'm fat or 91 00:04:53,900 --> 00:04:55,400 like, are you saying you want the sweatshirts? 92 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,300 I know I want to shake. I think after a wash it's going 93 00:04:57,300 --> 00:04:59,100 to be like you want to give it to me? 94 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:00,900 I'm like, all right. Well there's just ask me for 95 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:02,900 I'll buy you one. You don't need to like - me and 96 00:05:02,900 --> 00:05:06,100 make me feel bad. Anyway, that's but it's causing, 97 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:08,000 right? Strife at the Scott household, 98 00:05:08,300 --> 00:05:10,800 Scott, getting body shame that home. 99 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,800 I mean, who would have? Hi, no, I know. 100 00:05:13,900 --> 00:05:17,300 This is tough anyway. We're back, we're happy to be 101 00:05:17,300 --> 00:05:19,800 talking to you. Again, is certainly a, much 102 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:23,900 happier Vibe now than we had this time last week when we were 103 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:29,600 podcasting and Indiana had just lost another game and, and then 104 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,400 turned around and lost again after that. 105 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,600 And Scott were, I feel fortunate to some degree because at this 106 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,100 point we've got a mixed bag to talk about as opposed to a 107 00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:44,700 decidedly poor bag. But it's interesting because 108 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:46,500 talking with a lot of people I've noticed. 109 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:50,800 There's there's not as much automatic like, hey, 110 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,900 everything's better. Clearly things are moving in the 111 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:56,300 right direction, talk, as I might have expected given how 112 00:05:56,300 --> 00:06:00,200 much Indiana beat Wisconsin by. There's still a lot of. 113 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,100 All right. Well, let's wait and see, 114 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,700 because we've been down this road before with this basketball 115 00:06:04,700 --> 00:06:07,900 team like numerous times over the last Several years, people 116 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:11,900 are not just automatically jumping back into the arms of 117 00:06:11,900 --> 00:06:14,800 Indiana basketball expectations. And I think that's kind of 118 00:06:14,808 --> 00:06:16,500 interesting. So I wanted to talk about that a 119 00:06:16,508 --> 00:06:19,500 little bit today and we'll talk some football as well as they 120 00:06:19,500 --> 00:06:22,500 had some big news this week and let's start with basketball the 121 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:25,200 Hoosiers. You know, they lose that game to 122 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,300 Penn State and that that might have been one of the bigger 123 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:31,900 morale blows that. The fan base is had in a while. 124 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,700 The not just the fact that they lost with the manner in which 125 00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:39,100 they lost how lost they looked during the loss and then to turn 126 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:41,700 around and essentially have almost an entirely different 127 00:06:41,700 --> 00:06:44,500 looking game. You know, they beat Wisconsin, 128 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:48,000 they didn't just beat Wisconsin. They obliterated Wisconsin in 129 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,800 that second half. It was the first time since 130 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,800 2005. That Indiana had beaten. 131 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,600 Wisconsin by double digits, it was only the fourth time in the 132 00:06:57,608 --> 00:07:00,800 last 28 games period. That Indiana had beaten 133 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,100 Wisconsin. And, you know, it feels like 134 00:07:04,100 --> 00:07:06,000 every time Indiana beats Wisconsin, these days. 135 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,300 It's a Fair. This was very much not that it 136 00:07:08,300 --> 00:07:11,000 was not a full strength was Constantine. 137 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,400 There were missing Tyler wall but still a big victory and you 138 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,600 know an Indiana team. That themselves is not full 139 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,000 strength. It was nice to see them. 140 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,200 Come out and have the kind of Mojo that they had, especially 141 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,200 in the second half of that game. It was like a wild game, like, a 142 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,000 very Wisconsin type game. You're what, like, you know, 143 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,300 2120 going into the half, you know, at halftime the 41 total 144 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:39,400 points scored, you know, the modern modern basketball 145 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,000 analytics and shots have not did not reach this game felt very 146 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,100 much like, you know, where's the peach Basket in the old leather 147 00:07:46,100 --> 00:07:47,600 ball? No, it's nice. 148 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,800 It's nice to beat was, that was definitely a Get Right game. 149 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,600 You definitely needed that. You know, gosh, Only scores 45 150 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,100 points, you know Point 71 points at possession, not great. 151 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:00,700 They've had other bad outputs this year. 152 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:04,600 I'm looking back, you know, they beat Dayton 43, 242 in another 153 00:08:04,700 --> 00:08:06,900 Rock fight know. So, they've had games, they've 154 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:09,000 had these bad scoring at 42 games. 155 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,600 Too far this year, they had that scoring Affairs. 156 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,600 But you know, in a larger sense, I don't think any of anything 157 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,000 that we after that with. I'm kind of thinking to myself, 158 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,100 like, was I too hard on the last podcast? 159 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:22,700 Like, am I am I, you know, getting into the, you know, 160 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,400 Notre Dame football fandom or I can Up and down but I think 161 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,200 everything we said before. Wait, Scott. 162 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,600 Finally asks, am I the asshole? That's great. 163 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,299 It took us tickets 15 years of podcast therapy to get here, but 164 00:08:38,299 --> 00:08:40,900 I'm here. So am I? 165 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,800 Like what's? Yeah, you know, but it's like 166 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,900 everything. I think that we said on the Pod, 167 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:49,300 everything that talks about with Tony on the pot, I think it's 168 00:08:49,300 --> 00:08:53,000 Justified and I still think your point about people not 169 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,200 automatically embracing it. You know, if you take out the 170 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,300 Elan and Kennesaw State games of our last eight games against, 171 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:02,700 you know, real opponents, six of them, we kind of slept 172 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:05,200 walkthrough for Large parts of the game. 173 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,300 And so, you had two games where that wasn't the case. 174 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:11,400 You know, the majority of games, I would say, you've had these 175 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,900 lackluster efforts, like you and I said they weren't going to 176 00:09:14,900 --> 00:09:17,500 lose out, there are going to find a way to win some games. 177 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:21,400 And unfortunately, we've been here before where you know, 178 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,800 teams have had these looks virtually under Archie where 179 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,900 they look bad and it's like, oh, they beat Iowa, it's like, 180 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:28,000 where's that been? And then they lose five more in 181 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,600 a row, again, we'll see where this goes, but, you know, from a 182 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,800 large point, the Impart to me about that Wisconsin. 183 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,200 When was you can look at all of the analytics and all of the 184 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,300 stats and they kind of back it up but just the eye test it's 185 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:46,500 like we're playing so much. I hate effort Everest not the 186 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:48,700 right word but it's just the word that has to be. 187 00:09:48,700 --> 00:09:52,500 You just hear so much harder. They played with that like North 188 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:55,600 Carolina style of defense that we saw in that game where 189 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,200 they're picking, guys up damn near half court and they're 190 00:09:58,300 --> 00:10:00,400 they're shooting the gaps correctly and there, you know, 191 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,200 Chris passes and they just seemed everyone seems to kind of 192 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,200 be humming and Again, giving full effort all the time and 193 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,700 it's like, man. If they played like that, they 194 00:10:10,700 --> 00:10:13,500 probably would have beaten, Iowa, Northwestern and Penn 195 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:15,500 State. Like, they probably be, you 196 00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:19,600 know, at, you know, for and one or got five and one of the Big 197 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,800 Ten right now. So, this to me, that's kind of 198 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,200 the frustrating part is, it wasn't like in the Northwestern 199 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,300 and Penn State game, like, man, you know, we just missed some 200 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:30,400 shots or this didn't go down, like it was just these mental 201 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,700 lapses in these Pines where you give up these runs. 202 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:37,000 And so, you know, That's where I think maybe I'm vocalizing. 203 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,600 What some of those fans are feeling, that's why I'm not 204 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,000 racing. All right, we're solve like 205 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,600 everything's everything's hunky-dory. 206 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:44,800 But also you look ahead to it's like, you know, at Illinois is a 207 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,000 tough place to play and then you know, Michigan State watch that 208 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,100 game against Purdue, that's a scary team. 209 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:52,300 I think there's some really athletic guards that's a team 210 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:53,300 that could come in and beat us up. 211 00:10:53,300 --> 00:10:55,200 So, you know, the road doesn't get easier. 212 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,700 But I will say whatever whatever was done before that Wisconsin 213 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:01,600 game. If that same type of effort is 214 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,600 given across the board by this team. 215 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,300 There's no reason why this team can't win, its next three games 216 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:10,400 as well. Yeah, I mean it's important to 217 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,300 remember that. This is not a vintage Wisconsin 218 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:16,800 team, we've done a lot on the podcast where we've talked about 219 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:21,500 how Indiana's Tempo free statistics of looks since the 220 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:23,200 1st of December. And if you look at that 221 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,700 Wisconsin team, they are very similar in terms of overall 222 00:11:26,700 --> 00:11:28,000 ranking. They're not very good. 223 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,900 I mean they if you Indiana during that time period, post 224 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:33,700 that Wisconsin game, this weekend is 85th. 225 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:39,400 In Bart tour Vic's ranking since December 1st Wisconsin's 84th. 226 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,600 So you know, and and they have opposite problems to some degree 227 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,100 where Indiana's offense has been slightly better in their defense 228 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:48,900 has been bad. And Wisconsin's defense has been 229 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,600 slightly better in their offense has been bad. 230 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,000 And this is, it was Constantine. That's incredibly, poorest 231 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,200 defensively in certain areas. They're letting teams shoot 232 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,000 really well and trying to survive on, just not turning the 233 00:12:01,008 --> 00:12:04,100 ball over and without Tyler wall, it's not really a Winning 234 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:07,500 formula for them. All that said, you know, it was 235 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:12,400 important for Indiana to come out and play hard over the 236 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,100 course of 40 minutes to play. Smart defensively to not put 237 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:20,000 themselves in positions where they were just allowing teams to 238 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,500 tee off from three or allowing drives. 239 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:27,000 And you know, that's the IU, does deserve credit for that. 240 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,500 And I think Mike Woodson deserves some credit for making 241 00:12:29,500 --> 00:12:32,400 some shifts, which we've been asking for in the way that 242 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,000 Indiana played and he sticks. Trace Jackson Davis in the high 243 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,800 post on offense, that has a, a systemic change or as a systemic 244 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,600 effect on the way that Indiana's playing off. 245 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,500 Elsewhere defensively, they didn't collapse nearly as much. 246 00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:50,200 They stuck on Shooters on the outside and it worked and you 247 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,700 know, so there's a lot of positives there but I think if 248 00:12:53,700 --> 00:12:57,700 you're the type of fan that is a little bit suspicious still of 249 00:12:57,700 --> 00:13:00,600 this IU team and I think that you are very right to be. 250 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,200 I certainly am you look at this and you say to yourself well 251 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:09,400 hey, if it's an effort thing, as you mentioned earlier, why did 252 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,400 it take going through? Essentially a month of bad 253 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,500 effort for them to finally show up and give effort in a game. 254 00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:19,500 You know, there were, there were talking on the TV broadcast 255 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:22,000 about how woods and it had a three-hour practice with the 256 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,900 team the day before, and it's like a 3-hour practice in 257 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:30,100 January, you know, that's kind of unheard of, but the fact that 258 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:33,200 you have to have one to try to drill it into your players, 259 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,300 heads that. Hey guys, we need to be giving 260 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:37,500 Better Effort, you know, we need to be doing X. 261 00:13:37,500 --> 00:13:43,800 Y & Z does not speak well of Where the team's mentality was 262 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,800 at now? Where does that where does that 263 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,000 rank with players only meeting? Like that's another one that 264 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,100 always has. No it's not it's not quite two 265 00:13:50,100 --> 00:13:52,900 players only meeting, right? Yeah, we need we need like an 266 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,700 emergency, like a list of emergency measures, you know? 267 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:59,200 It's like players only meetings like you know, kind of like 268 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,700 Frank on to force. He's right. 269 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,800 You're almost at the button being pressed but you're not 270 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,900 quite there yet. But no I mean in all seriousness 271 00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:11,800 I do think that this team has clearly struggled. 272 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:15,300 And with execution, and we've hurt racetracks, and Davis 273 00:14:15,300 --> 00:14:17,800 talked about it in the postgame press conferences. 274 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,700 We've heard about talked about in some other areas, as well. 275 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:25,300 That's concerning, you know, because clearly it's not a 276 00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:27,500 talent deficiency with this team. 277 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,000 And as we've seen in certain games, Xavier North Carolina, 278 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,500 Wisconsin. Now, it's even even portions of 279 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:36,500 that Arizona game when they were making their comeback. 280 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:38,500 It's not that they can't do things. 281 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,700 It's that, they, they either don't do them or choose not to 282 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:44,000 do. Omit certain times and that does 283 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:47,900 present some concerns, you know, because you can, you can cry. 284 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:50,700 All you want over, Xavier Johnson and race Thompson, not 285 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:52,800 playing. But the fact the matter is, 286 00:14:52,808 --> 00:14:55,400 they're not, they're not, you can't play them right now. 287 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,700 They're both too injured right to be playing and there's too 288 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:02,100 much talent on this roster to just say, well, gosh, we can't 289 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:04,100 really expect anything out of this group. 290 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:09,600 And so I think that a lot rides on what happens with IU in these 291 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,400 next two games. And I'm not even talking about 292 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,400 winds necessarily because I think they're both very 293 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,800 difficult games in terms of the opponent and when you're 294 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,700 catching them, but IU has proven a couple of times. 295 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:26,900 Now, against good competition, that they are capable of playing 296 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:29,900 at a much higher level than what they played at, for the duration 297 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:32,600 of the game against Iowa against Penn State. 298 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,900 And now, I think that becomes the standard that has to be the 299 00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:37,500 standard. Like, you've seen them play that 300 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:40,900 hard against Wisconsin. If they go out against Illinois 301 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,900 and they can't A 40-minute game if they go out against Michigan 302 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:46,800 State, and they can't play a 40-minute game, then you have to 303 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,400 wonder, like, what is going on with this team, and why are they 304 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,100 incapable of putting consistent effort out there? 305 00:15:53,100 --> 00:15:55,400 Because as we've talked about, this was present in the Archie, 306 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,800 Miller area, wasn't that those teams were incapable? 307 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:00,300 What was frustrating about them, was that they would have a game 308 00:16:00,300 --> 00:16:01,800 or two, where they would play at that level. 309 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,600 And then, they would have several games where they didn't. 310 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,400 And that's what ultimately, I think got more frustrating than 311 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,100 anything, about how that season went, how those those players 312 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:12,900 played together. And how the coaching staff dealt 313 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:15,900 with it. The two things to hit off of 314 00:16:15,900 --> 00:16:18,900 that, that you mentioned is how, you know, the adjustments that 315 00:16:18,900 --> 00:16:21,300 Woodson has made, we've been kind of asking for you, you 316 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:23,800 worry, you know, are we in a spot where it's, like, 317 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,400 adjustments or three gates, too late. 318 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,700 That's a great. We made these adjustments. 319 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:29,200 But now against Illinois, there's one to be counter 320 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,600 adjustment because another coach on the other side as well. 321 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,100 You are, we able to keep up with the speed of the adjustments 322 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:36,700 because like, what you did now isn't going to work the other 323 00:16:36,700 --> 00:16:38,400 thing, too. And it apart of this is based on 324 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,900 the defense Wisconsin's playing. But you know, we took Threes and 325 00:16:42,900 --> 00:16:45,000 what's Wild. As you know as a team this year 326 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,300 we're shooting 37% from 340 fifth in the nation. 327 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,500 That's not bad. You know we're continually not 328 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:54,700 taking a lot of Threes And yet we're shooting threes pretty 329 00:16:54,700 --> 00:16:57,100 well. You look at and again I'm gonna 330 00:16:57,100 --> 00:17:01,100 highlight him, not the player but just the use case you do the 331 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:02,900 stat line from the Wisconsin game. 332 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:05,599 You know, everyone's got, you know, points and percentage of 333 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:09,400 poison Miller. Cop has 3 points 1 of 2 from 3. 334 00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:11,700 You know, you look at cops numbers this year. 335 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,200 Year, he's shooting 45% from three on 71 attempts. 336 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,500 It's not like he's only taken three, it's a, it's a, not a, 337 00:17:19,500 --> 00:17:22,300 it's a medium sized sample size. Think part of the problem is the 338 00:17:22,300 --> 00:17:24,000 sample size. Is it big enough? 339 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,500 Because he's not taking enough threes. 340 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:28,500 And this is, again, I don't want to be too negative and a loss, 341 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:31,900 but it's one question that I do have is, you know, are we 342 00:17:31,900 --> 00:17:35,900 continually putting guys in the best position to be successful 343 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:38,700 in that, you know, Miller cop shows that he can do one thing 344 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:41,700 at a very high level and that is shoot, open three. 345 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:46,300 Is he's not a lockdown driver, he's not a Lockdown Defender. 346 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,500 I'm not knocking those things. Like those are not his skill set 347 00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:53,000 but yet if he's out there and he's playing, you know, 30 348 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,900 minutes and taking two threes, are you using Miller cop 349 00:17:56,900 --> 00:17:59,600 effective and you seen this multiple games in a row where 350 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,200 you know, he had trouble, you know, against Penn State on the 351 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,300 defensive end and it's like I can I can live with that if 352 00:18:05,300 --> 00:18:07,600 we're running set for him to get threes, but we're not doing 353 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,300 that. And so that is something that 354 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,300 can has concerned me through this run. 355 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:14,200 I think draw Animo was used better in Wisconsin game, so 356 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,500 that's good. But I continued to look at 357 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:19,400 Miller cop and it's not him, I promise, it's not him. 358 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,000 It's like, are we proving give you the best position to 359 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,500 succeed? Because we don't seem to ever be 360 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:26,100 running anything for him. He goes out there and plays a 361 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:29,700 significant amount of minutes and has like two shot attempts. 362 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:36,300 Yeah, well look, I mean part of it is the and Tony talked about 363 00:18:36,300 --> 00:18:39,600 this when he was on the podcast with you and I've talking about 364 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,700 a little bit as well, this is not. 365 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:44,400 Coaching staff that runs a lot of plays. 366 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,300 You know, a lot of sets, it's a for better for worse. 367 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:52,600 It's well, you've got Trisha Jackson Davis in the post and 368 00:18:52,608 --> 00:18:55,000 they want the offense to rotate around that and that's kind of 369 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,100 how the offensive movement tends to go and Miller. 370 00:18:57,100 --> 00:19:01,400 Cop's job is essentially to space on the opposite side, in 371 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,900 many cases of wherever that's taking place. 372 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,400 And he's not getting a lot of shots because Indiana is not 373 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,200 doing a lot in transition right now that, you know, they're not 374 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,900 pushing the ball. Ball down the floor when they 375 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:18,000 get it and when there's passing taking place when cops gotten 376 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,200 the ball, he hasn't really taken the advantage of the 377 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,800 opportunities that he's got, neither, like he's not popping 378 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,900 the moment, he gets it, he's taken dribbles in now whether 379 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:29,300 that's by Design or whether that's him making a decision in 380 00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:34,300 the moment, I don't know. But I do think it's a fair 381 00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:39,100 question to ask because what's confusing about where Indiana's 382 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:43,500 offense went over the course or Their play went over the course 383 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:48,200 of that stretch of time in December and early, January is 384 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:52,800 cop had actually played and had shot at a much higher level than 385 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,000 what we saw out of him in any of his prior years, the previous 386 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,300 year in Indiana, or the years at Northwest Northwestern where he, 387 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:02,500 you know, he's still shooting the ball from 30 to 45 percent 388 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:05,000 clip. So far on the season, he still 389 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,300 has an offensive rating. That is among the best in the 390 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:11,600 country in terms of when he uses a possession. 391 00:20:11,900 --> 00:20:14,800 He's scoring one point three points per possession used. 392 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,900 I mean, that's really good. If, if he had enough qualifying 393 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:22,900 possessions used he'd be in the top 30 in the nation right now. 394 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,700 But he's so careful with where he chooses his spots and as you 395 00:20:27,700 --> 00:20:31,200 mentioned as many other people mentioned on the socials today, 396 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:34,100 they're not running plays for Miller cop to get him 397 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:37,300 opportunities because that's not the way the offense runs. 398 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:41,300 The question you end up asking yourself is well if you're not 399 00:20:41,300 --> 00:20:44,500 going to, if you've got a guy who's got a very limited, but 400 00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:49,100 effective skill set, you know a Kyle Korver type where his 401 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:52,300 primary skill, what he brings to the table is, you throw him the 402 00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:54,600 ball, three-point line, and if he's open and he shoots it, 403 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,200 he'll hit it. 45% of the time. I gots a valuable skill in 404 00:20:58,208 --> 00:21:01,400 basketball, but he doesn't offer a lot else. 405 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,000 He can't drive, he doesn't really rebound, and he certainly 406 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,700 doesn't give you a lot on the defensive end. 407 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:11,000 You know, there was a, there's a video from the Penn State game 408 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,700 that that circulated, which kind of Illustrated that. 409 00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:17,500 I'm sure some of you may have seen it like that, that not 410 00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:19,900 only, then are you limiting yourself in terms of what you're 411 00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:22,800 getting out of the offense? Because on the rare occasions 412 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,700 where you've actually got something set up and he gets the 413 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:28,200 ball and he shoots that's not enough to justify him being out 414 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,000 there the rest of the time and you're losing something on the 415 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,200 defensive end because he's not able to guard a lot of the 416 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,000 players that he's being asked to guard. 417 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,800 I mean that's where inefficiency Creeps in. 418 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,300 That's where when you look at, how a season goes along, and how 419 00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:45,200 a player is being used, and I would team fares, you're not 420 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,700 maximizing your advantages. And I think what's frustrating 421 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:51,700 for me is that we've seen so much of that over the course of 422 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:54,800 time with IU, basketball stretching again before Mike 423 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,300 Woodson got here where people weren't being utilized to their 424 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:04,600 best advantages and it led to a lot of wasted possessions and it 425 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,700 led to a lot of points being scored. 426 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:10,100 Because a guy who wasn't Agreed on defense and wasn't offering a 427 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:12,700 hole on the other side was getting exploited. 428 00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:15,700 And so I don't know what the answer to that is. 429 00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:19,500 I mean, I certainly Xavier Johnson, I think as we've 430 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:22,600 learned kind of covered up a multitude of sin because his 431 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,400 ability to drive to shoot to draw Defenders and do have very 432 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,800 good Court Vision allowed for him to essentially ad-lib, 433 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:35,700 getting the ball to Miller cop or driving drawing Defenders and 434 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:37,800 knowing that he was going to pass it back out and I mean 435 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,300 jail. No trophy no just isn't that 436 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:43,600 type of a player, not yet. He can draw Defenders and get 437 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,500 his own shot, but he's not looking two or three steps 438 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:49,100 ahead. Trey Galloway has not shown an 439 00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:51,000 ability to do that and you really don't have anybody else 440 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,800 that can act as the triggerman for this offense. 441 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,400 So I don't know if it gets fixed. 442 00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:58,400 I haven't had a chance to watch Cops media availability today, 443 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,400 where he talked about his role, but I can tell you just from 444 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:07,400 watching what's going on. The it's, it is a shame because 445 00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:10,700 you Cop last year was underutilized. 446 00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:13,900 He only his possession utilization last year was 447 00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:18,300 thirteen point seven, which was pretty low on that team. 448 00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:21,100 I, there was in it was, it was not quite nearly invisible, but 449 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:23,900 it was closed. And his possession utilization, 450 00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:27,600 this year is eleven point four, which is by far the lowest that 451 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,200 it's been in his career and I don't know what the answer is, 452 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,000 other than you got to find ways to get him the ball but I don't 453 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,400 know if that's possible. Given the offensive system that 454 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,000 this coaching staff seems to want to run. 455 00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:41,100 Yeah, and we don't need to linger any more on it. 456 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:43,000 It's just more. Like those are the things that 457 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,300 you know, in if you look at the wind a little more you know, 458 00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:48,100 dissected a little more, those are things where it's 459 00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:50,200 concerning. I will say, you know, you go to 460 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,400 North Carroll that North Carolina game cop, only had 461 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,400 three points in that game. You know, he only had he went 462 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,100 one for one from the field and had a free throw. 463 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,700 I'm sorry 14 from the field had two points. 464 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:02,700 Sorry, three percent of possessions went through him but 465 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:07,100 he only played 17 minutes versus 30 so you know, slightly 466 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:11,000 different but it's just, it's One of those things where, when 467 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,600 you look at the numbers that something in this win that, you 468 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,700 know, you do have to wonder how much of it was adjustments. 469 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:21,200 How much of it was Wisconsin having a rough night, but again, 470 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,200 the overall three-point shooting I think is just something we've 471 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,800 heard about on assembly called Tony's talked about that, you 472 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,300 know, for us to only take eight. Three-pointers is, you know, 473 00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:32,700 jail hitch. If you only took two and he's 474 00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:35,200 been a really good three-point shooter, it's just, it seems 475 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,200 like for us to, you know, if our defense is going to be You know, 476 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,200 a little bit shaky and this game it was great but it's like, you 477 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,900 know, six out of the last eight games. 478 00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:45,600 It hasn't been hasn't been ideal. 479 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,600 We need to get some points, you know, getting a little more 480 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,700 volume of three-point shooting, be something the nice to see as 481 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:54,200 well, but overall, it's a win, it gets you back on track of at 482 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,900 least, you know, it's a win at home and you get some of that 483 00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:01,500 fan Vie back, which is, which is important and look, you know, we 484 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,400 we were a bit despondent last week about what we'd seen in the 485 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,300 three game losing streak and it was nice to not just have a win 486 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:11,000 but see some adjustments made Aid that we've been asking for 487 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,800 the question. Now, is how sustainable is that 488 00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:17,200 and this is where, I don't know what the answer is and it's a 489 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,600 tough pair of games coming up here. 490 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,600 I mean, at Illinois now the noise had their own issues 491 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,200 Illinois. Has they have had their 492 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,900 struggles? They've had that a player leave 493 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,300 at semester break, but the flip side of it is Illinois, is on a 494 00:25:31,308 --> 00:25:35,000 four-game winning streak now. None of those teams and 495 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,500 situations have been overwhelming, you know, they 496 00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:40,200 beat Wisconsin at home. They want at Nebraska, they beat 497 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,300 Michigan State at home. They want at Minnesota, you 498 00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:45,200 know, they're there, a five-point favorite. 499 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,600 According to Ken pom in this game versus Indiana. 500 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,600 Indiana is not going to be scared of Illinois. 501 00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:51,200 They be Towing on a neutral floor. 502 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,000 Last year, Illinois does not have a dominant post presence. 503 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,300 Like they've had the last couple of years and, you know, Kofi 504 00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:01,600 Coburn's not there anymore. So I think this is definitely a 505 00:26:01,608 --> 00:26:05,700 game Indiana could win but you do question, you know, given 506 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:10,200 what Illinois does well, and Then the fact that they seem to 507 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,400 have righted the ship, you know, I don't think that that's the 508 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,800 State Farm Center is a particularly intimidating 509 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:23,300 environment for teams to go and play but it's also an Illinois 510 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:25,500 team that's starting to regain. Its confidence levels. 511 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:28,200 How does Indiana play into this? And how how? 512 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,900 Well does what we saw on Sunday travel for this Indiana team. 513 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,600 Our Saturday I guess it was and then they got Michigan State at 514 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,900 home, which is another one, where I mean, they almost beat 515 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:40,100 Purdue at home. Home yesterday. 516 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:43,500 And, you know, that's a team that while they've been up and 517 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:46,900 down, they've, they went to Wisconsin and they want and 518 00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:50,600 they've beaten Michigan already and they beaten Penn State on 519 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,700 the road. You know, that's, that's a team 520 00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:55,200 that's pretty battle-tested. The one thing I'll say about 521 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,800 Penn State is, excuse me, Michigan State if they were to 522 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,600 beat Indiana according to Ken Palm, that would be the best 523 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,100 team by far. That they would have beaten on 524 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:07,600 the road so far this year. And so, that's where, you know, 525 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,700 again it's like You could go and lose that Illinois game. 526 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,900 If they come back and beat Michigan State, it's like, well, 527 00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:15,800 look, that's one on one in that to game stretch. 528 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:18,200 You're able to hold serve, that's a positive. 529 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,400 It's just that you got to make up at some point. 530 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,400 You got to start making up, you know, some of the games you 531 00:27:23,408 --> 00:27:26,000 didn't think you were going to lose at the beginning of the 532 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,200 season, one of them being that Penn State game on the road and 533 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,900 certainly one of them being that Northwestern game at home. 534 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,700 That's that's where I think Indiana is going to have to 535 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:38,300 figure out a way to overachieve. They can't just hold serve from 536 00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:40,000 this point. It Forward if they're going to 537 00:27:40,008 --> 00:27:42,900 get the season that they wanted to have back on track again, 538 00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:48,500 that was always the problem with Archie is under performance and 539 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:51,400 then just meeting expectations. And it's like, you know, if we 540 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,300 go negative one and you go zero, we're still at -1 like you need 541 00:27:56,300 --> 00:28:00,200 to now go plus two to get us in the positive column, and I 542 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,200 agree. And this is something, you know, 543 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,600 when you look at the Big Ten standings, it's not nothing's 544 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,800 over yet. But, I mean, you are three games 545 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,300 behind Purdue in the loss column, you know, Be at 2 & 4, 546 00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:13,700 you're sitting with Ohio State and Maryland near the bottom of 547 00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:15,800 the Big Ten with only two teams below that. 548 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,600 You know, if you go, you know, just in two days. 549 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,400 If you go to 2 and 6 getting to the, even the middle of the Big 550 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,600 Ten becomes really tough, especially two teams that are 551 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,900 above you. You know, Michigan State's at 4 552 00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:28,100 and 3. This is a game that could kind 553 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:32,200 of bring you at least to them. Unfortunately with what the hole 554 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,400 that you dug, you could lose sight of the middle of the Big 555 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,500 Ten very quickly here in a matter of Three to four games, 556 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:44,100 you get to and 52 and 63 and 7. It becomes really hard to even, 557 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:46,200 get back into the six spot in the Big Ten. 558 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,100 So yeah. And this is where again, I feel 559 00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:52,800 like we were all justified in what we talked about because we 560 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,200 see what's going to be happening. 561 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,000 The rest of the schedule, gets a little bit harder. 562 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,900 And so, you know, effectively looking like, you're 563 00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:01,900 sleepwalking, through half the Iowa, Northwestern and Penn 564 00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:03,700 State game. It's like, all right, this is a 565 00:29:03,708 --> 00:29:07,200 real problem, because if you can turn it on, that's great, you've 566 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,300 got to keep it turned on. But we also can't see. 567 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:15,000 Again, is if we have a nice win against Michigan State, you 568 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,900 know, people are going crazy. That's, that's fantastic. 569 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,200 You know, that's on a Sunday. You got to travel to Minnesota 570 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,500 and play that, you know, it's not quite the same because I was 571 00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:27,100 home and home but SEC. We also can't have just the hey 572 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:31,200 we beat Purdue, it's a huge win and sorry, I'll look ahead a 573 00:29:31,208 --> 00:29:33,000 little bit. We play Purdue on Saturday, 574 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,100 February 4th, we then turn around and play Rutgers at home 575 00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,400 again. Tuesday, February 7th, you can't 576 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,000 turn. It into a Purdue Michigan 577 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000 scenario from last year where it's like, oh, we want a big 578 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,900 game. It's like, all right, well, 579 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:44,600 they're going to go party and like we're just going to go 580 00:29:44,608 --> 00:29:46,900 ahead and lose a next game. Like, to your point, we've kind 581 00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:50,400 of lost that luxury of throwing away a game here or there. 582 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,200 We like we've already thrown them away, that's already 583 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,300 happened. And so now, if you have a big 584 00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:59,800 win, you unfortunately, have to do what a veteran good team is, 585 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,900 which is what we kind of were expected to get this year. 586 00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:06,200 Is you enjoy it for, you know, a half hour and then you lock in 587 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,500 and you focus on your next opponent, you come out ready to 588 00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:10,500 play. Again, and that's what I'm going 589 00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:13,700 to be interested to see is if they do win one of these. 590 00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:16,100 Next, two games. How do they react in the game 591 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,500 after? I mean, you know, I want to see 592 00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:20,500 other play against Illinois but, you know, once you start the 593 00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:23,700 real close back-to-back happens, you know, how does, how does the 594 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,800 team react to kind of a nice win on the next game? 595 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,700 Yeah, absolutely. The one thing I will say before 596 00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:32,600 we move on to football and talk about that a little bit, I mean 597 00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:39,200 right now Purdue is clearly, I think you know, Purdue and 598 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,100 Rutgers which is weird to say though. 599 00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:42,800 They're kind of clearly Head and Shoulders above. 600 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,400 Everybody else in the conference produce six and one they 601 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,900 probably should be 5 into. That was kind of ridiculous. 602 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:50,400 I think of the the ending sequence of that Michigan State 603 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,400 game yesterday and then Rutgers is 5 and 2 and then everybody 604 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,400 else I mean Michigan's for and to but it's kind of hard at this 605 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,200 point to take Michigan entirely seriously Illinois that that 606 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,000 Michigan State Purdue game, Ed had zero fouls right? 607 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,100 Like yeah it's that's that's and that really had that happened a 608 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,300 full game. Where he was playing what? 609 00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:14,200 37 minutes. Use 42% of possessions and 610 00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:16,200 didn't commit a foul. No foul complete. 611 00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:18,400 I mean, just a miracle of evolution honestly. 612 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,400 Like they need to sample his DNA because my goodness well and 613 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,300 this is just really this a duper do - this is that is not going 614 00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:30,100 to happen in the tournament. I would bet a lot of money right 615 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:32,600 now do not be a gamer. He has zero fouls like you're 616 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,500 going to have him with two or three fouls very quickly than 617 00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:37,300 Suddenly. It's like, all right Clinic. 618 00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:41,600 Can you do can lawyer And Braden Smith hold the guards of Alabama 619 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,300 or Houston. That's what always seems to 620 00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:45,500 happen. Well, 10, and teams of big guys 621 00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,700 like that there was that there was that podcast, that the think 622 00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:52,200 it was the athletic did with the former director of officiating 623 00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:54,500 for the Big Ten and it's worth a list. 624 00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:56,500 And everybody seems like as listen to it by this point, but 625 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,200 if you haven't, there's one section in there that you just 626 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,700 reminded me of with that statement about how they said, 627 00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:05,300 you know, the guy said that while because Wisconsin is known 628 00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:06,700 for not committing, a bunch of dumb. 629 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,500 Fouls officials won't call fouls. 630 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,100 On them and it's just a silver pitcher waiting thing. 631 00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:15,300 And sure enough, Wisconsin gets into the tournament and they get 632 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:18,000 called for fouls because they're committing fouls. 633 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,200 And then they foul a bunch of guys out or give them into foul 634 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,800 trouble and then other teams beat them. 635 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,100 And it's like that's going to happen with Purdue as well. 636 00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:30,100 I don't know I will never understand Big Ten officiating 637 00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:32,400 the way that it has been conducted over the years and 638 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,900 this favoritism that they hand out to certain teams and certain 639 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,500 players when they know they know. 640 00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:43,400 Know that it has a negative impact on those teams ability to 641 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,400 play in the tournament and have success. 642 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,600 They know it and the teams that are generally, succeeded have 643 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,100 succeeded in spite of the officiating that they've gotten 644 00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:54,800 in the Big Ten not because of it at some point somebody May wake 645 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,400 up and actually realize that but it doesn't seem to be happening 646 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,500 any time soon anyway. Can I quickly? 647 00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:01,700 Sorry, we're completely off topic but just, this is another 648 00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:05,000 thing that you got, you got me onto this, this is totally your 649 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,700 fault for the rest of time. But again, a That is really 650 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:12,400 professional acting, like a non professional League. 651 00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:16,500 Lamar Simpson was one of the officials in that game, the 652 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,600 Michigan State, Purdue game. I just have to do this. 653 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,200 I'm sorry, this is your fault. Here is his schedule of games 654 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,500 that he's officiated since January 1st, January 1st in New 655 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:29,400 York, January, 3rd and Wisconsin, January 4th in 656 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,800 Indianapolis, January 6 and Connecticut. 657 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,500 January 7th in Rhode Island, January 8th and New York 10th 658 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:37,900 and DC, the 11th. Here's a run. 659 00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:39,600 He did. Wednesday, the 11th and 660 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,700 Wisconsin, Saturday, the 14th in Tallahassee Sunday, the 15th in 661 00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:49,300 New Jersey and then Monday, the 16th in Michigan, that's three 662 00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:51,300 days in a row, three different states we do. 663 00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:54,400 That's like they're not flying private jet, Southwest has after 664 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,900 flights cancelled like that. Is that that's four games in six 665 00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:03,600 days in four different states. That is bananas. 666 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,300 Well, that's insane as bob Knight always used to say, you 667 00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:11,199 know, we we We are concerned when players have to play, like, 668 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:15,000 two games in a week, and these are 18 to 22 year olds and we're 669 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,100 having officials who are often times in their 40s, 50s, you 670 00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:22,300 know, running around up and down on chords five days a week and 671 00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:24,199 traveling all over the place and doing it. 672 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,000 And it's like, so you're gonna tell me that fatigue is going to 673 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,699 affect the 18 to 22 year olds but it's not affecting the the 674 00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:33,000 officials. Yes, they don't run around quite 675 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,100 as much but this is the problem. Now in it's funny that you 676 00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:39,500 mention that with Simpson because in that stretch H, he 677 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:43,100 only did two big 10 games, he did Wisconsin Minnesota on the 678 00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:48,600 third and he did Purdue Michigan State, but it's not that it's 679 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,100 the six, Big East games that he did. 680 00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:54,900 It's the five games in the Metro Atlantic that he did. 681 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,100 You know, that. That's where the problems come 682 00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:58,300 in. And again, this comes back to 683 00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:00,400 this problem. I hammer on over and over again 684 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,500 which is that you have you try to treat officiating like 685 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:08,500 independent contractors and what you end up with is guys 686 00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:10,900 Independent contractors like well, yes, independent 687 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:13,200 contractors. You treat it like like a 1099 688 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,400 job, but this, but but it's also clear that there are 689 00:35:16,408 --> 00:35:19,800 instructions, being given or tendencies that are being 690 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,800 adapted to about what, how, to call Big 10 games, versus how, 691 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,000 to call Big East games, because they're not called the same. 692 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,500 And if you watch enough college basketball, you start to realize 693 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,600 that. And, you know, it say, I love it 694 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,800 because it's people think that fans and folks like us who kind 695 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,400 of sit somewhere. We're in this you know weird 696 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,700 quasi fan quasi media position that all we do is bitch about 697 00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:48,500 our own teams not getting calls and that invalidates. 698 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:52,200 Our complaints about officiating and here we are talking about 699 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,400 calls that happened in a Michigan State Purdue game and 700 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,200 it's not even that we wanted Purdue to lose. 701 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,600 I mean it would have been nice but I don't care, but the idea 702 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,800 that you're going to have a 74 guy who uses 42% of possessions. 703 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,900 Never commits. A foul is ludicrous. 704 00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:11,100 I mean, it really is No.8 Burt Smith is also a rep in that 705 00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:13,100 game. Here's his weekend, Wednesday. 706 00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:14,600 The 11th. He's in your old stomping 707 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,600 grounds, stomping grounds, Coral Gables Florida, and then 708 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,900 Saturday, he's in Clemson, South Carolina, Sunday, he's in 709 00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:23,600 Greenville, North Carolina. That's not a bad trip and then 710 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,700 Monday, he's in East Lansing Michigan. 711 00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,900 But it's like, yeah. Would you if I told you, hey, 712 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:30,700 Gail the next four days, you gotta go from Coral Gables to 713 00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:33,700 Clemson the north to North Carolina to Michigan's like 714 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,200 that's that's a tough, I'd be done. 715 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,200 Yeah. Even even doing what I do, which 716 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,300 is Not very physical in nature, I would be like yeah you know 717 00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:45,700 that I've had enough so no, that's it's pretty wild God 718 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,300 anyway. Sorry I can quickly get you 719 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:48,400 home. No, no it's fine. 720 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,500 We've only got about 10 minutes left anyway but let's talk a 721 00:36:50,508 --> 00:36:53,100 little bit about IU football. Interesting week for IU 722 00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:56,300 football. Last week, the big news they 723 00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:58,800 picked up a quarterback. Tevin Jackson, Trace Jackson 724 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,700 Davis. His brother former Center Grove 725 00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:05,500 Star had been a four-star recruit who had been committed 726 00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:07,200 to Tennessee. Had been there for a couple of 727 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,500 years. Never really broke through. 728 00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:11,700 Roo looks like he's not going to have an opportunity to break 729 00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:13,600 through there. So he announces that he is 730 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,700 enrolling at IU and transferring here. 731 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,800 Obviously a lot of people excited about this and it's kind 732 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,000 of interesting because you know, certainly that's a, that's a 733 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,400 talented quarterback. That's a talented athlete. 734 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,400 And you like to see that. We asked the question a lot 735 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,800 about. Like, where's the quarterback? 736 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,200 Play, going to come from with this IU team? 737 00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,500 I do see two things about it that I Guess I would just maybe 738 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:41,500 advise people to tap the brakes on a little bit. 739 00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:45,900 One of them is this is clearly a player that's got a lot of 740 00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:48,300 potential Talent. It's also a player that hasn't 741 00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:51,200 taken very many snaps at the college level. 742 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,600 I mean, I think it's under 20 total, maybe not even that many 743 00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:59,400 and it's not, that you can't have a quarterback, who's never 744 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,500 taken snaps go out and play. I mean, famously antwaan, Randle 745 00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:06,100 L started. His first game of his sophomore 746 00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:08,800 year, having not taken a snap the previous year because I He 747 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:14,300 was on academic probation, but it is a bit, a bit of a 748 00:38:14,308 --> 00:38:16,900 challenge obviously, to come in and be a starting quarterback in 749 00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:20,200 the Big Ten with your first game against Ohio State, if you've 750 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,300 never started before. So, I would say, like, I 751 00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:28,200 wouldn't expect him to come in and just start like gun-slinging 752 00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:33,800 immediately, especially since there's clearly still issues 753 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,600 with the offensive line that haven't been addressed. 754 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,800 There's still a clear still clearly issues with the skill 755 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,300 positions. The other thing that I'm 756 00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:43,800 interested in on this Scott is I you still doesn't seem to have a 757 00:38:43,808 --> 00:38:47,400 clear Direction about what they want to do because unless I was 758 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,300 greatly deceived, they talked for like a month month and a 759 00:38:51,308 --> 00:38:53,800 half about how they needed a mobile quarterback. 760 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,000 I scrambling quarterback, you know, they were going to build 761 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,700 this like RPO style thing. They put Dexter Williams in and 762 00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:04,200 that was the direction they were going and Tavon Jax is not a 763 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,800 scrambling quarterback. I mean he was He's listed as a 764 00:39:06,808 --> 00:39:10,700 pro-style quarterback. He's certainly got athletic 765 00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:15,100 skill but he's also he's not the type of quarterback who you're 766 00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:17,500 going to expect to be doing a lot of talking and running at 767 00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:21,200 the Collegiate level. So I'm back again to being a 768 00:39:21,207 --> 00:39:23,900 little bit perplexed about what direction Indiana is going on 769 00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:25,500 their offense. Now may just be that they 770 00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:27,100 decided. Well, this is the best available 771 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:29,700 option and we're going to go this direction but it kind of 772 00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:31,400 invalidates. A lot of the things that we 773 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,500 heard towards the end of the season about what they had 774 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,100 suddenly decided they wanted to do. 775 00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:38,900 I mean I think they still want that just like you know a couple 776 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:42,700 years ago I bought a new SUV and I really wanted the Audi Q7. 777 00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:46,200 It's a great it's a great car. I did a test drive. 778 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,200 It's awesome. I think the sticker price was 779 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,600 like 68 thousand dollars. It's like all right well you 780 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,700 know I drive a Honda Pilot now and that's that's the way I roll 781 00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:56,300 you know. I very much feel like that was 782 00:39:56,300 --> 00:40:00,300 always you know yes having a running quarterback is awesome. 783 00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:03,600 Like I bet if you asked a lot of NFL teams like is it fun to 784 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,600 coach Lamar Jackson, like giving - the Contracts, if I guess 785 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,000 that's awesome. Like, you know, yes of course, 786 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,000 Tom Allen wants that like I'd say, 90% of Colorado, High 787 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,600 college coaches, want that? That's why they're hard to find, 788 00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:19,400 they're hard to get and not a lot of them are around out there 789 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,400 like a good running quarterback. Who could also throw, you know, 790 00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:27,200 a Michael penix type, they'll come around a lot and normally 791 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,200 when they do, they don't look at schools like Indiana. 792 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,900 So I do think that was him saying that, I think he's going 793 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:35,600 to take, what he can get me. I find it. 794 00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:39,700 Interesting. We shall see if it's High School 795 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:42,400 stats Jackson. Davis is high school stats look 796 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,700 really good, you know, passer rating of 129 and Senior year 797 00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:47,600 for what it's worth, you know, fifth 21. 798 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,700 Touchdowns three years the options and yeah, the Tennessee 799 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:54,000 thing. You know, they're they, they're 800 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,500 hitting an upcycled they're loaded. 801 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,300 So it's like, you know, we'll see the who knows there is just 802 00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:01,100 a weird feeling where it's like you're getting. 803 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,000 He could be the best option but it's like it is weird. 804 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,900 It's like the brother of our star basketball player like 805 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,900 Yeah, especially one that just, you know, what this whole thing, 806 00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:12,900 like two weeks ago with the letter from the fan and all then 807 00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,600 there's this whole it, right? It's been an odd, couple of 808 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,600 weeks from that perspective and yeah. 809 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,400 Anyway, sorry, go ahead. Oh no, that's just it, like I 810 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,100 mean he might be the best option but it is. 811 00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:24,400 You have to give pause like Mandy. 812 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,600 We look at what has given everything to the Jackson Davis 813 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,100 Family. Well, I mean, I do wonder if 814 00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:32,600 it's funny. If, if your Jackson Davis, you 815 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,500 go into the the pitch with Tom Allen like well Tom are, you 816 00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:38,200 naming? The Order before the year. 817 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,600 It sounds like well, you know, we can we can offer you at 818 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,400 Almaty. Like I can give him my car. 819 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,900 Like you don't leave my house, we could do that. 820 00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:47,000 The one thing I can't offer you is I just we don't name starters 821 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,200 here. So that's, that's not going to 822 00:41:48,207 --> 00:41:50,000 be on the table. That is it? 823 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,400 I did think about that. It's like, it wasn't like, Hey, 824 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,700 we're going to name you the starter but we're not gonna say 825 00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:57,700 it out loud. If there's something like that, 826 00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:00,700 going on. Well and that super secret 827 00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:02,600 promise. Like we do pinky swears here. 828 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,100 I do wonder. I will, I mean in all 829 00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:06,900 seriousness, I mean, the transfer portal closes this. 830 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,800 Week. And you know, I do wonder. 831 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,900 I mean, and Taylor Layman is brought this up on bite-sized 832 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:18,000 bison, like does Indiana need a second quarterback in the portal 833 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,100 because I said that in the last pot, like you said, I gotta 834 00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:22,700 joking. But it's like, yeah, I hate to 835 00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:25,500 say it, but it's not your history. 836 00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:27,900 I do want to pick any one player and don't want to say anything 837 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:31,800 bad about Jackson Davis, but the history of a starting 838 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,200 quarterback at IU is not been good of getting through the 839 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,400 season uninjured. So you really need to look at it 840 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,900 like If they're not prepared for that option, that the coaching 841 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:43,200 staff is not preparing their team correctly. 842 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,600 Yeah, I think it's it's going to be interesting because 843 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:54,200 ultimately, you know, you're going into next year, your your 844 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,900 assumptive starter in Dexter Williams is out for an 845 00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:02,400 indefinite period of time and even if he is on a nine-month 846 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,800 recovery, I mean we're not talking, you know, with that 847 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,900 kind of an injury, we're not talking. 848 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,300 And likely about nine months and then he's fully ready to go. 849 00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:13,200 We're talking about nine months before he's ready to like resume 850 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,700 contact and we've already seen this with Michael penix where 851 00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:20,400 they tried to bring Michael penix back in the injury 852 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,100 happened. At almost the exact same time a 853 00:43:22,107 --> 00:43:26,600 year and he was clearly not ready and then was clearly 854 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,900 ready. A year later, you know, which 855 00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:33,400 was this past season so if you don't have Dexter Williams 856 00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:37,900 you've got a bunch of shouldn't like and this is where like If 857 00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:39,800 you're out and you're doing what's right for the 858 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,100 student-athletes and what this program needs, like, Dexter 859 00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:44,600 Williams should not play next year. 860 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,200 Just shoving should like it. Just he needs a full year to 861 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,200 recover and if he's going to be a mobile quarterback, I don't 862 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,400 want one. Who's like, just gingerly 863 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,200 recovering from a full knee replacement, like so. 864 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,000 So just to interrupt like he has to, he really should sit next. 865 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,400 Yeah, but the flip side is you don't have experience elsewhere. 866 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,700 I mean, even with Dexter Williams, if he was healthy, you 867 00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:06,000 wouldn't have that much experience. 868 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,000 I mean, you're talking about a guy Yeah. 869 00:44:07,008 --> 00:44:09,600 Yeah. They played two games completed, 870 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:15,300 very few passes and so it's going to be this is where like 871 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,000 you may want to think about like yes, maybe you could play 872 00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:22,600 packages with individual quarterbacks, God knows 873 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,700 Indiana's done that before. But do you trust, what's in your 874 00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:29,600 room right now with the offensive line that you've got 875 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,900 and with the skill position issues and the lack of a 876 00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:34,300 dominant running back? The, you know, the uncertainty 877 00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:37,900 around Camp a, you know, Uncertainty about what the 878 00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:41,300 offense is going to look like, can you really feel comfortable 879 00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:45,500 as a fan? Or as you know, someone who's in 880 00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:48,200 charge of the team with what you've got and what you're going 881 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,500 into the season on? And that's where I get really 882 00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:52,500 interested about the Taven Jackson thing, because it wasn't 883 00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,800 like he was in the portal and was looking at options like he 884 00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:58,500 wasn't in the portal, then he entered the portal. 885 00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:02,400 And then what three days later was at Indiana and it. 886 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,100 So if he was promised to starting position that That's, 887 00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:10,400 that's a real roll of the dice. And it's also a very different 888 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,200 direction as I was saying earlier, from the direction that 889 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,700 they said, that they were going and all the names that we'd 890 00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:18,100 heard bandied about, whether it was the Vanderbilt quarterback, 891 00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:22,400 the Louisiana Monroe quarterback, we're all down that 892 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,100 channel and then all of a sudden you get this left turn and so 893 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,600 I'm really curious to see how that plays out. 894 00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:29,900 I do give them you know I give them a lot of credit for being 895 00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:32,500 able to pull a former four-star. Yeah. 896 00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:34,900 A local guy and I think that that's really nice. 897 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,800 I'm just curious to see what it leads. 898 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,300 To. And certainly I use got a little 899 00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:41,100 bit of time to do some more things in the portal. 900 00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:45,500 They pulled several players in, some of them have been, I think 901 00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:48,100 a pretty good quality. Many of them have been guys, 902 00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:51,500 that either haven't gotten the snaps or played at lower levels 903 00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:56,200 or some combination there in. So, it's hard to be like totally 904 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,700 sanguine about what's happened because it felt more like 905 00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:03,300 plugging a bunch of holes rather than necessarily elevating what 906 00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:05,900 you've got at any of the positions versus what was there 907 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,400 last year. So that'll be an interesting 908 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,800 thing to keep an eye on and I guess we'll find out for sure 909 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,900 once the portal closes for good. Yeah, we'll see about me, the, 910 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,400 the counter to that is we've had offseason for felt like we were 911 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,900 going into it with a plan and it didn't work. 912 00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:22,300 So maybe this is a you may be kind of the frenetic just 913 00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:25,200 plugging people in and, you know, any man goes is the way to 914 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,100 go. Yeah, we'll see what happens. 915 00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:30,700 Anyway, that'll that'll wrap it up for Scott and I Scott as 916 00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:32,800 always a pleasure. And we'll talk to you again 917 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,100 soon. Yep. 918 00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:37,300 And our thanks to everybody out there. 919 00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:39,700 For listening to the show will be back. 920 00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:43,700 Probably I would say either Friday or Saturday as we recap, 921 00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:46,200 what happened in that Illinois game and and a reset 922 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,500 expectations. Again, based upon what things 923 00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:51,800 look like. Can Indiana maintain the 924 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,800 intensity, they showed against Wisconsin as they go to take on 925 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,200 the fighting Illini. Interesting question open, 926 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,500 question will probably have it settled by about half time of 927 00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:04,000 the game and we'll see where Indiana lands. 928 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,600 They'll either be right back in the thick of things. 929 00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:10,100 Looks at three and four in conference or further and 930 00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:14,800 further away from the 500, Mark in the Big Ten as we had closer 931 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,700 to the middle point of the Season by thanks again to Scott. 932 00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:21,100 My thanks to all you folks for listening and our thanks to our 933 00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:24,900 friends at home field apparel for continuing to sponsor us, be 934 00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:27,800 sure to tune in to the assembly, call our partners in the back 935 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,000 home network, as they recap, what happened at Illinois game. 936 00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:34,700 Be sure to check out the IU. 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