1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,720 Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the latest episode of 2 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,040 the Crimson Cast Women's Basketball Podcast. 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,600 I'm Amanda Foster here with Kevin Vera, and we've got a big 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,480 episode here for you today. It's Thanksgiving week, which 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,160 means it's Feast Week and Indiana Women's Basketball has 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,400 two really great opportunities against two very talented teams. 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,640 The Hoosiers, who are now #21 in the AP poll, are heading down to 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,600 Fort Myers, FL for the Elephants. 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,360 Health Women's Fort Myers tip off. 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,680 They're set to play Tennessee the evening of Thanksgiving on 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,960 Thursday the 23rd, and then they'll face off against 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,560 Princeton on Saturday the 25th. It's going to be an 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,040 action-packed week and we are very, very excited for it. 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,080 But before we get into that, Kevin, like we always do, just 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,680 how are you doing today? You're back home on Thanksgiving 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,000 break now. So how's it going? 17 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:52,560 It's always good to be here, Amanda. 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,640 Always good to talk to you. I mean, yeah, I've been doing 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,920 well, like you said. I mean, it's Thanksgiving break. 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,040 I'm, I was in Bloomington for the weekend, stayed there for 21 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,240 football, stayed there for the women's game, actually. 22 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,960 And then football left, Came back Sunday. 23 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,080 And I've just kind of been hanging around with my family, 24 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,720 been watching a lot of college basketball. 25 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,920 I watched the Chiefs lose. I watched the Chiefs lose 26 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,240 yesterday, which was not not super fun, but it's been good. 27 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:18,840 It's been good. Good to be back. 28 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,800 But you know. We're we're talking some more 29 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,200 basketball. Always on the grind. 30 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,280 Always. There's so much basketball now 31 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,760 and it's overlap season, so everything's busy. 32 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,080 We talked about it last week. But yeah, lots, lots and lots of 33 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,320 basketball. And it's not going to stop 34 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,920 anytime soon for for better or for worse. 35 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,320 Yeah, I mean, I was sorry. I was talking to, like, I forget 36 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:41,760 who I was talking to, but I was talking that this is our 37 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,040 favorite time of the year in the world of college basketball, 38 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,520 just because you have this Invitational, you have this 39 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:48,920 tournament, you have this, this and that. 40 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,520 And I mean, you have. Amazing matchups going in and 41 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,880 across the entire country. And so, yeah, it's definitely, 42 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,880 I, I, I would say outside of probably obviously March and 43 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,920 maybe the end of conference play and sort of the tournament, the 44 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,280 conference tournaments, this is probably the best time of year 45 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,080 on the college basketball slate just because you get these 46 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,200 unique matchups and these unique venues and and whatnot. 47 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:13,920 So, yeah. And then you're getting like 48 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:16,880 ranked teams going up against each other, some some of them 49 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,200 for the first time in the season. 50 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,040 So you get an idea of kind of what teams look like too, now 51 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,160 that they've had some time to adjust, which is really fun. 52 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,560 So getting into it quickly, we'll just recap Indiana's last 53 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,360 two games to games that we relatively expected to, to go 54 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,400 the way that they did. Indiana beat Murray State 112 to 55 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,000 79, and then they beat Lipscomb 77 to 44. 56 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:44,040 Lipscomb was by far the better game for Indiana and Kevin, you 57 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,040 and I were talking about this after the Murray State game. 58 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,880 Terry Moran was not happy with her defense and she, rightfully 59 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,320 so was, was concerned. And I think everybody was 60 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,200 concerned because they did allow 79 points when she wanted them 61 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,360 to allow no more than 60. So it was good to see kind of a 62 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,280 bounce back game in a way with Lipscomb only allowing 44 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,040 because the defense really did kind of click a lot better 64 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,320 there. So that's kind of, for me that's 65 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,960 the biggest take away from from those two games is the defense. 66 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,080 And I'm still, I have to confess a little bit unsure of what the 67 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,200 defense is going to look like down in Florida against two very 68 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,160 talented teams. But it was good to see them kind 69 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,920 of get more into a groove in the second, the second game over the 70 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:29,600 last few days. So Kevin, do you have what what 71 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,480 were your main takeaways I guess from from those two games? 72 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,200 Well, obviously the biggest story of Murray State was, OK, 73 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,640 this is their first game from Stanford. 74 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,720 You know, how well are they going to come back? 75 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,120 And you know, they played really well. 76 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,160 Sarah, we'll talk about her as as we get deeper into the 77 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,760 episode. But Sarah's had herself a really 78 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,040 nice week. I mean, she had 22 against 79 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,640 Murray State and shot the ball really well, six for 14, which 80 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,600 if I do the quick math, what is that like 4140? 81 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,720 Two, 40% from the field? She had a really 40 three. 82 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,120 I just did the math on my computer. 83 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,800 So, yeah, there we go. So she, she played really well. 84 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,080 But obviously the biggest point of that game was just sort of 85 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,079 the frustration from Terry that she expressed after the game. 86 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:23,960 It was honestly, you know, you said in, you know when you're 87 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,720 leading up to it, you said it was rightfully so that Terry 88 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,960 called him out for it. And I mean obviously. 89 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,640 If I'm looking at it through my eyes, I was like, yes, I 90 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,160 understand the criticism, obviously from their head coach, 91 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,240 but I was a little surprised. I'm not going to lie, sort of 92 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:48,680 the the, the intensity behind her, sort of expressing her how 93 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,360 much better they need to get defensively. 94 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,760 You know what I mean? Obviously, you know, 79 points 95 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,960 against the Murray State team isn't ideal even in the win. 96 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:59,600 But I was very surprised I hadn't seen Terry. 97 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:05,920 In that sort of mode and and I don't think I have at all in in 98 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,920 my 2 years now going on the three that I've been here in 99 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:15,480 Indiana, she seemed very, very just unpleased with with how 100 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,040 they performed defensively on all levels. 101 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,880 Yeah, go go ahead. You you do make a good point 102 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,440 that that was Terry. Morton doesn't usually talk like 103 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,960 that about her team especially so early in the season. 104 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,280 But I think it it shows first of all how concerned she is because 105 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,560 like in my mind when I was watching that game like Indiana 106 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,520 was lucky that Murray State wasn't hitting certain shots and 107 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,280 certain threes and and all those things. 108 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:44,440 And so I think it it shows how much they how high the 109 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,720 expectations are for Indiana that you know every single time 110 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,080 you don't want to be scoring more than or don't you don't 111 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,640 want to be allowing more than 60 points. 112 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,360 Like that's a lot that that's something that's that's 113 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,400 difficult to do. And I think it it was 114 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,760 interesting that it it happened so early in the season. 115 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,320 But I think it's because it has to. 116 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,760 When you're playing, you know these these big teams and you 117 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,200 have a conference like the Big 10 that is going to make those 118 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,120 shots more often than not. Yeah. 119 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,880 And and look, I don't, I don't want to say that I I don't 120 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,320 understand you because I obviously do. 121 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,160 You know what I mean? And and especially if somebody's 122 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,880 going to harp on them the way that she did, it's, you know, 123 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,760 it's going to be the head coach. It's going to be Terry. 124 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:30,440 But I was just very surprised to see sort of the the the way she 125 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,160 was expressing herself, the way she was trying to get her point 126 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,800 across. It seemed not desperate, but it 127 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:42,960 seemed to be at a level of, hey, I'm not talking to the media 128 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,840 right now. I'm not talking to the cameras. 129 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:46,120 I'm not talking to the conference. 130 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,440 I'm talking, I'm using this podium to talk to my players and 131 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,680 tell them and and get the point across of hey. 132 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:57,520 Defensively we're just not there and right now it may work 133 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,280 against these non conference opponents, but we're coming off 134 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:04,200 a 30 plus point loss we have. We have arguably our next 135 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,280 biggest challenge coming up in about a week. 136 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,480 You know that's what I really got from that press conference 137 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,280 after Murray State. And another point I want to 138 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:18,080 bring up is also it seems to be like Terry wants to see a better 139 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,840 defensive adjustment from. The entire staff, not just the 140 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,400 players on the court, not just, you know, Sarah or Mackenzie or 141 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,480 whoever it may be, Sydney, whoever it may be. 142 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,000 She made a couple comments in the press conference saying as a 143 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,960 staff, as a staff of of coaches, of assistants and and coaches 144 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,960 together, we need to prepare our team better. 145 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,600 Look, I'm not saying anything out there. 146 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,760 I don't know anything of what's going in and out of practice 147 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,840 obviously, but based off those comments, when I hear those type 148 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,320 of comments. I tend to think that there's 149 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,120 just been some sort of miscommunication that they're 150 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,560 not on the same page defensively or or that or there's moments on 151 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,240 set plays that Indiana's trying to run defensively or or certain 152 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,880 tactics they're trying to use defensively. 153 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,880 I should say whenever they're playing, that just isn't coming 154 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,120 across and getting through. From the coaching staff to the 155 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,920 players, she she made it seem that there as a as a staff, they 156 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,280 just need to get better. And that was another thing that 157 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,520 really stuck out to me because I mean look when these non 158 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,480 conference games come around in these early parts of November, 159 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,840 there's not much. When you have a team like 160 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,000 Indiana, there's not much to take away from an opponent like 161 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,080 Mary State, you know what I mean? 162 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,240 They're so good that you know. Just the natural talent that 163 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,760 they have is going to get them through the four quarters. 164 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,240 But so I really try to focus in on her comments after the game 165 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,800 and that was one of the more unique press conferences for me 166 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,840 in these past two years, two to three years from Terry, just 167 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:59,800 because it really seemed in a way a cry for help to get this 168 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,400 team back on track defensively from everybody. 169 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,360 Because I I think Terry has an expectation. 170 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,920 I think Terry. Has an expectation of what she 171 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,880 wants and that it it seems to me that nobody's meeting that 172 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,920 expectation on any level and and that's what I sort of got from 173 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:15,680 that. Yeah. 174 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,080 Well, and we're also not used to hearing that the team isn't 175 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,320 playing like gritty enough or strong enough, which is 176 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,880 something that she talked about that they they were lacking like 177 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:24,680 the aggressiveness and the tenacity. 178 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:29,040 And that's not something that is really a common theme for this 179 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,040 team because of how hard they've played in the past. 180 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,520 And that I think that's why it's so good that they were all to 181 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,520 come out, were able to come out against Lipscomb and keep them 182 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,040 to 44 points. And I I was watching that kind 183 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,360 of in the background on is on Sunday. 184 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:46,320 Yeah, because that's the men were also playing and there were 185 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,520 so many Indiana sports going on, but they really did look much 186 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,200 better defensively, obviously. I think there's still work to 187 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,280 do, but they looked better defensively. 188 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,640 Sarah Scalia had a very good game. 189 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,160 Mackenzie Holmes had a really good game. 190 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,600 She looked a lot more confident there as well. 191 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,320 And so I think it it was a very good thing that they were able 192 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,560 to come back and do that and that they had a team like 193 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:10,280 Lipscomb to kind of make those adjustments for before heading 194 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,400 down to Florida and playing Tennessee and Princeton. 195 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,320 So unless you have anything else to add about the last two games, 196 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,720 we can go kind of right into talking about this week. 197 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,080 Well, yeah, I mean. They they played, they played 198 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,080 much better defensively obviously like you mentioned 199 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,640 against Limbscomb they held them to six points there in that 200 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,600 second quarter and and this kind of to go back to Murray State 201 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,000 right before we get into Tennessee. 202 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,680 The thing that this Indiana team and honestly you can say about 203 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:42,720 both the men and the women this season is they're trying to find 204 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,000 their identity. You know, they're they're trying 205 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,160 to find who they are. The men obviously lost church, 206 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,960 Jackson, Davis. But another comment that I found 207 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,280 very interesting about from Terry after Murray State is she 208 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,200 said Grace Burger's not going to come in here anytime soon. 209 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,800 You know what I mean, she she said. 210 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,120 I was really surprised to hear that. 211 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:07,080 Yeah, I did too. Just simply because that to me 212 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:12,360 as an observer from outside of the program, that tells me that 213 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,720 you know the team is. Trying to find who they are, you 214 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,200 know what I mean? Last year everybody knows that 215 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,080 how great of a year. Last year was and and obviously 216 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,520 on the front page of that was Grace and and Mackenzie. 217 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,040 But now that great or yeah, now that Grace isn't there, you 218 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,680 know, sending that message to your team means we got to find 219 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:34,360 out who we really are. You know what I mean? 220 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,480 We're not the the Indiana team that we were last year, although 221 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,960 we have similar pieces. There's a new identity. 222 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,600 There's a lot of new roles that need to be. 223 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,600 That need to be fixed. So that would that you know to 224 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,160 keep it short. Now you know that's one thing 225 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,840 that very surprised that really surprised me. 226 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,400 But yeah, it's just a lot came out of it out of these two 227 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,480 games, which I, which I was very glad to see more on the mental 228 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,000 side of things exactly. And yeah, and we knew. 229 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,520 Indiana's going to win these games regardless, you know what 230 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,520 I mean? But right now, I think again, it 231 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,840 can be set for both teams, but for the women. 232 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,800 Mentally, where is this team at? Where is this team sort of being 233 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,280 pushed at? Toward the direction. 234 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,720 So, yeah, yeah. And that's why this week against 235 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,840 Tennessee and Princeton is going to be so important and such a 236 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,600 big test for them. So getting right into that, 237 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,000 yeah, arguably for me, the bigger opponent of the two this 238 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,000 week is Tennessee. The Lady Vols are ranked 19th in 239 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,520 the AP poll, so that is now above Indiana. 240 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,520 They're three in one with wins over Troy, Memphis and Florida 241 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,960 A&M and then they had a one point loss to Florida State and 242 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,680 Florida State is currently the number 13 team in the country, 243 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:47,400 so you can't overlook that by any means. 244 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,640 They're coming off of a 100 to 73 win over Troy and it was a 245 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,360 really interesting game for them because they had some people out 246 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,920 with injuries and they had some people step up and have like 247 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,520 career games that could possibly carry over into this week. 248 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,400 The Bulls were missing three of the top or one of their their 249 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,680 best player and then two other important players and Rakia 250 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:13,120 Jackson, Jasmine Powell and Avery Strickland, who are all 251 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,440 sidelined for various reasons with injuries. 252 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,320 Jackson, if you kind of keep up with any sort of women's 253 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,840 basketball in Tennessee, you you recognize that name, you know 254 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,720 who she is. She had 31 points and 17 255 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,920 rebounds against Florida State in that game. 256 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,280 Is a massive presence in the post the best post player on the 257 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,080 team, on a team that also doesn't have a whole lot of 258 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,800 other post players capable of playing at the level that she 259 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,040 does. She was on multiple pre season 260 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,600 watch list and as of Sunday she was listed as day-to-day with a 261 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,080 lower leg injury. So we don't really know what 262 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,120 happened or if she'll be back on Thursday. 263 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,960 But that is something to keep in mind because if she's not, 264 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,960 that's a big deal for both Tennessee and Indiana. 265 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,880 Powell and Strickland for both guards were also notable 266 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,240 absences. Powell played a decent amount of 267 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,560 minutes. Strickland doesn't play a whole 268 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:03,160 lot but can still come in and is important for the team in that 269 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,800 regard as well. Sort of like a a depth sort of 270 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,200 thing. As of Sunday, Powell had a brace 271 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,680 on her right hand in Strickland Head was out with concussion 272 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:13,640 protocol. So all three players, we don't 273 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,800 really know when they're coming back but something to keep an 274 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,360 eye on and the reason like because they were out over the 275 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,000 weekend allowed other players to step up. 276 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,880 Like I said, they had a slow first quarter and this is 277 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,160 something that Rickia Jackson brings so much because she has 278 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,840 so much confidence and she instills so much confidence in 279 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,160 the team and the way that she plays. 280 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,240 So they had to kind of adjust. But now that they after they did 281 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,480 adjust, they they ended up obviously having a really, 282 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,200 really good game. A couple notable players who did 283 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,320 step up forward, Caroline Stripling had her first career 284 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,680 double double and then also set career highs with 19 points and 285 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,480 14 rebounds. Jillian Hollingshead, who's also 286 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,160 a forward, tied her career high 18 points and added ten 287 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,400 rebounds. And then Destiny Wells also 288 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,000 scored 18 points. And then she had eight assists, 289 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,280 4 rebounds and only one turnover, and she played like 30 290 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,520 minutes. And I think they had five 291 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,440 players hit double figures, which is not too surprising when 292 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,080 you score 100 points. But obviously there's more to 293 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,480 talk about with this team than just Rakia Jackson. 294 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:17,320 But I do want to ask Kevin, if the Lady Vols don't have Jackson 295 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,240 against Indiana, what's that going to do? 296 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,240 What do you think it's kind of going to look like? 297 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,760 Well, I mean if we look at it like, I mean my point of 298 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,680 reference comes from last year a lot. 299 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,800 You know when Indiana play over at Tennessee in Knoxville and 300 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,520 it's a very fast-paced team, it's a very, it's a team that 301 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,800 plays a lot faster I would say than a lot of the other SEC 302 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,160 teams. They they sort of play side to 303 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,880 side from what I remember, they play from corner to corner and 304 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,320 they're they're not afraid to make the long pass and sort of 305 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,880 play in transition. But to answer your question, I 306 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,480 mean, if you're missing Jackson right there that that does a 307 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,840 lot, that that switches the game up completely, you know what I 308 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,040 mean? Because who is Jackson most 309 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,960 likely going to guard? You know McKenzie, right? 310 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,880 You know, you say, you say post and your brain just goes whoa, I 311 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,520 know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 312 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,960 And so if you don't have her, you know that break that opens 313 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,320 up the door for Indiana to completely use McKenzie at 314 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,400 another level. Obviously the the game is going 315 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,560 to go through McKenzie regardless, but. 316 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,120 You don't. If you don't have your best 317 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,120 player down to defend Mackenzie, it's going to be, you know, a 318 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,760 lot more difficult for Tennessee. 319 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:35,240 And and you know, look, I mean the travel, the travel aspect is 320 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,760 going to play a big part in this. 321 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,320 I think naturally. I mean, both of these teams are 322 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,800 playing on Thanksgiving away from home. 323 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,080 Like I I don't know how many. Players are where players are 324 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,920 from, from Tennessee, but can't imagine a lot of them are from 325 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,520 Fort Myers, FL. You know what I mean? 326 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,840 Yeah. So it's like, you know, here The 327 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:00,560 thing is, and we, you know, this is what I want to like, like 328 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,319 really hone in on for this episode is the mental aspect of 329 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:07,280 these games sort of at this point of the year, and 330 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,359 especially for Indiana specifically because they 331 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,599 they're coming off or because they have that Stanford law sort 332 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:17,800 of hanging over their head. But you know, to go back on 333 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,400 Jackson, if you don't have Jackson, that changes your game 334 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,760 plan completely. What a Tennessee Indian, what a 335 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,880 Tennessee team looks like without Jackson. 336 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,640 I I couldn't tell you just because she is such a big part 337 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,560 of what they do and what they have been doing these past 338 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,720 couple years. But yeah, you know, it'll be 339 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,680 interesting to see. We'll have to monitor, 340 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,080 obviously. If she's going to come in, you 341 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,760 know, we're recording this, you know, Tuesday afternoon, late 342 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,040 afternoon, early evening. You know, she could very easily 343 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:55,880 be announced later today that she's going to play, but without 344 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,640 her. I think it gives Indiana a much 345 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,920 bigger advantage if they, you know, if they did have her well. 346 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,760 And it also it goes back to that mentality thing because she's 347 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,360 such a stable presence. She is averaging a double double 348 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,560 with 22 points and 12 remands and she's played in two games. 349 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:19,000 So she clearly takes on a lot of the work for the team because 350 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,920 she's so talented. And I was reading an article 351 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,320 earlier that was talking about all the injuries and that one of 352 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,120 really arguably the biggest thing that Tennessee loses 353 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:29,200 without her on the floor is confidence and kind of that 354 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,440 ability to like know what's going on all the time. 355 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:32,960 So it is going to be interesting. 356 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,640 We'll definitely have to have to keep an eye on that if she is 357 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,240 in. I mean I think I don't see how 358 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,240 it's not going to be a highly, highly competitive game. 359 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,600 I do think the kind of like you mentioned the the structure of 360 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,360 the two teams are a little different. 361 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,960 And that I feel like from what I remember Tennessee like you said 362 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,520 does move pretty quickly and and Indiana not take as many risks 363 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,600 as they do. Which will be interesting just 364 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,440 to to see how the flow of the game goes because we know that 365 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,040 Indiana likes to move quickly and move in transition. 366 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,960 But they have also struggled at that in some points and and have 367 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,760 struggled to kind of keep control of the ball and and deal 368 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,360 with turnovers and everything like that. 369 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,120 So we'll just kind of have to see. 370 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,960 I did want to touch on the last time these two teams matched up. 371 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,640 Like you mentioned, Kevin, Indiana did beat Tennessee. 372 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,480 It was technically an upset because Indiana was ranked 12th 373 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,360 and Tennessee was ranked 11th, but everyone was kind of like, 374 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,920 this is not how that was going to go. 375 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,120 It was the first ever win that they had against the Bulls. 376 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:36,480 They won 79 to 67 in Knoxville, and that was a really big game 377 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,320 for Claymore McNeil, who obviously we've seen grow a lot 378 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,000 in the last year. That was kind of her homecoming 379 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,400 game because she's from Tennessee. 380 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,520 She had 15 points, and then Mackenzie Holmes and Sarah 381 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,800 Scalia both had 16 points. Mackenzie Holmes had 10 rebounds 382 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,960 for a double double. And so all three of those 383 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,360 players are very much, I don't know if I would say they're in 384 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,120 their prime right now, but they're the top some, arguably 385 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:01,120 the top three biggest influential like players Indiana 386 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:02,800 has right now. So it'll be interesting to see 387 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,840 how they they match up it. It's also a relatively similar 388 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,320 Indiana team this year because we've we've talked about it so 389 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,320 many times, but they really are only without Grace Burger. 390 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,880 And Tennessee also has a decent amount of returners, including 391 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,720 three starters from that game last year. 392 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,840 So they're these teams are familiar with each other and 393 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,200 they they're going to prep really, really well. 394 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,200 They're they're going to know what they need to do as best 395 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,640 they can. So I'll turn it over to, you 396 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,680 know, what do you think Indiana will have to do to get the win 397 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,360 on Thursday? And let's say that Jackson is 398 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:37,960 playing and that she's like, back-to-back to normal. 399 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,040 Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say that I 400 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,560 have two different, you know, answers and you could give both. 401 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,720 I I'm gonna operate under the assumption that she will play, 402 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,400 but because if she was listed as ads day-to-day on Sunday, I feel 403 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,960 like by Thursday. By Thursday, I mean that's what, 404 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,920 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. That's almost four days, you 405 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,800 know, if you're just somewhat counting Sunday. 406 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,960 And then yeah, if she didn't play Sunday, they didn't, they 407 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,480 wouldn't have played Saturday. So who knows? 408 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,080 But we'll we'll go with if she is in the game. 409 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:06,720 What? What? 410 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,560 If she is in the game. Yeah, I mean, look, I just think 411 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:15,040 Indiana really needs to obviously these past couple 412 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,720 years it's been all through Mackenzie, right. 413 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,640 It's been, hey look, this is how we play. 414 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,640 It's through you know Mackenzie and and loan the post. 415 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:30,280 But I kind of want to see the sort of game plan that Sarah's 416 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,840 been playing these past couple games sort of be. 417 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,160 Spread out to the entire team, make it, make it more of a 418 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,760 perimeter game. And they have the tools to do 419 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,000 that. You know, and you know, Sarah's 420 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,680 coming off Big 10 Player of the Week. 421 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,720 She had two great performances against Murray State and then 422 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,600 Lipscomb and then Sydney. I mean, we know what Sydney is 423 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,560 able to do. Sydney's been she's just gotten 424 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,880 off to a little bit of a slower start than I think a lot of 425 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,560 people would have anticipated. But Sidney can very easily light 426 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,320 up from behind the arc and you know it's it's not hard at all 427 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,800 for her to do that. Lanae Lanae Beaumont's also 428 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,120 seemed very confident which and and she can shoot the range more 429 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:15,680 than a little bit of the other players on the on the team but I 430 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,760 want to see Indiana sort of attack from the outside and that 431 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,680 and and The thing is I what was it. 432 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,480 I believe they shot 32 three pointers against Stanford. 433 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,800 And they and they only got five of those to fall. 434 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,720 But that was just a a single game thing. 435 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,720 You know what I mean? If you can, if you can, shoot 436 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,560 out of desperation. Out of desperation, exactly. 437 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:44,160 If you can get let's say low 20s, maybe 25 tops and get 438 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,600 slightly like, you know, 40% of those to fall in, you put 439 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,200 yourself in a very good position because that's adding. 440 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,720 To what McKenzie can do. Obviously Indiana's going to 441 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,680 push through McKenzie this game and that's what they need to do. 442 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,080 That's what they should do. It's they're all American. 443 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,640 But I I just want to see the more outside element of the game 444 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,080 be inserted for this time around, you know what I mean? 445 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:12,000 Because right now in let me know if you agree or or you disagree. 446 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,000 It seems like Indiana has only lived in the paint and in the 447 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,880 post this season, they they haven't really. 448 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,560 They haven't really been as active on the outside aside 449 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,600 aside from Sarah obviously and and then the mid range is just 450 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,280 not there as much. It just seems like a lot of 451 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,080 Indiana's movement has been through the through the paint, 452 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,800 driving in the lanes, and I would love to see a shot chart 453 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,520 so far through. The first couple games of these, 454 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,040 I mean, I don't know if I'm going to be be able to grant get 455 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,320 a hold of something like that. You can. 456 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,240 You can make one. I can make one, yeah, exactly. 457 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,120 But you know it. It just, it just feels like to 458 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:52,440 me, look, thinking back of these these couple games that have, 459 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,240 that have been happening during in the end of the season that 460 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,560 has been just solely through the inside. 461 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,680 It's been just basketball around the rim. 462 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,400 You know what I mean? And I I I kind of, I think in 463 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,280 order for Indiana to win this game in a comfortable fashion, 464 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,160 which they kind of want to do, you have to expand the court a 465 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,080 little bit. And that's that's what that's 466 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,840 what I think Indiana has to do. And you know, let's see if they 467 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,120 can do it this coming Thursday. No, I I completely agree. 468 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,600 I want to see first of all, Mackenzie Holmes comfortable in 469 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,320 the post again, and you know all of that because you need that if 470 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,280 you're idiot and you need that if you're Mackenzie Holmes. 471 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,680 And then I also, I want to see Sydney Parish and Garden Girl 472 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,640 Zone step up, especially from deep. 473 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,880 I think both of them are in need of just a couple games or one 474 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,000 game where they're really in their groove and they're hitting 475 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,160 shots and they're doing things consistently throughout the 476 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,880 entire game. And I know that Sydney has 477 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,640 struggled with hamstring issues in the last few games, so we'll 478 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,200 see where she's at later in the week. 479 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,240 But if she's back to full health, I would really, really 480 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,120 like to see her hit some more shots from the outside because 481 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,360 she's shot the second she has had the second most attempts 482 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:05,520 behind Sarah. She's 6 for 20 and then Yarden's 483 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,760 three for 12:00. So I think obviously we know 484 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,800 both of them hold and I would really like for them to, to be 485 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,080 able to get on that a little bit more against Tennessee as a 486 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,080 team. Indiana is shooting 29 for 93, 487 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,840 so it's like about 312. And then looking at Tennessee, 488 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,240 they're shooting 32 for 93, so it's 344, so, so they're 489 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,840 relatively evenly matched and I think Tennessee gives up sort of 490 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,080 a decent amount of three pointers. 491 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,840 Let me find that. I have the stat right here. 492 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,880 They they allow around 9-3 pointers from opponents so far 493 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,040 at least. So you know we'll see. 494 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,560 I think there is the potential for this game to kind of turn to 495 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,160 the outside more. It's just whether or not Indiana 496 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,480 wants it to. I guess. 497 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280 So, yeah. And and just to throw it out 498 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,200 there, I mean last year Indiana was shooting 36% from the field, 499 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,120 essentially 30 or 37% from three. 500 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,920 And look, I get it, it's a, it's a much smaller sample size that 501 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,600 we're comparing this year to last year. 502 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,240 I mean it's you're comparing only a couple of games to an 503 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,640 entire season. But it just feels like Indiana 504 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,360 has not had as much success from the outside. 505 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:17,040 It feels like it's only been coming from one player, which is 506 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,440 Sarah Scalia. And yeah, I just think in the 507 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,040 end it needs to be add a little bit more dimensions, you know 508 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,160 what I mean? Last year if you have the mid 509 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,240 range game that you, you know you got from Grace Burger, you 510 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,680 have the post game from Mackenzie and everybody else 511 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,520 working on the outside from like yard and then Sidney and Sarah, 512 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,360 you know that gives you different elements to work with. 513 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:45,040 Now this year with no Grace and sort of the slow start of 514 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,160 Indiana from the outside. You know it it gives you sort of 515 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,560 a a perception of OK, we need to add something else. 516 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,240 We need to be better in a different area offensively. 517 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,240 But yeah, yeah, it can't. You can't be predictable or else 518 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,840 against good teams with good defense you're going to be 519 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,840 completely shut down and then you're going to be you're lost 520 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,160 and you don't have anything, you can't do anything. 521 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,600 So this is this is a good time of any to figure it out. 522 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,360 Yeah. And and you I I think that might 523 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:21,320 be the best way to describe what happened against Stanford is 524 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,560 Indiana just became predictable. I mean what else were they going 525 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,800 to? I mean the shots were following. 526 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,880 Granted look you know it just it seemed like it wasn't Indiana's 527 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,480 day, but it just seemed like they're they had two options 528 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,120 offensively. Either they were going to give 529 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:37,880 it out to Sidney Yarden or Sarah or not even Yarden. 530 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,360 Yarden didn't even shoot that many threes from that game. 531 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,400 I don't believe you were either going to get. 532 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,040 I didn't. You were going to give it to 533 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,040 either Sarah or Sarah or Sarah or Sarah, you were going to give 534 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,600 it, I mean, basically. Sarah or Sydney on the outside 535 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,040 and when their shots weren't falling, you were dumping it off 536 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,640 to Mackenzie, and Mackenzie obviously didn't have that great 537 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,720 of a game. So Indiana became predictable 538 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,640 and I think that's the concern right now offensively. 539 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,240 It's just Indiana needs to add another element. 540 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,800 And I think you said it perfectly right there. 541 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,160 Yeah, so, I guess so it feels like we could keep talking about 542 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,920 Tennessee for a very long time, but we do have to move on to 543 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,280 Princeton at some point because that's also another really 544 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,200 important game. And I think it's interesting in 545 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,160 the way that it might be being overshadowed a little bit by 546 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,240 Tennessee because Tennessee is the first game the Indian will 547 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,080 play down in Fort Myers. And they're ranked. 548 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,240 And you know, there's they played each other last year, but 549 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,240 Indiana played Princeton two years ago in the NCAA tournament 550 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,520 at at Indiana at Assembly Hall. And we can't forget about that 551 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,240 one because that was also a very big game. 552 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,200 But looking at Princeton themselves first, they're three 553 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,240 in one. They have wins over Duquesne. 554 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,280 Shout out to my sister and Keander Brown. 555 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,560 They just beat Pitt over the weekend, so good for them. 556 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,080 They also. For those for those who don't 557 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,040 know, Amanda's sister goes to Duquesne and she's also a 558 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,040 manager. Yeah, she's a she's a basketball 559 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,240 on the women's basketball team or a manager on the women's 560 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,360 basketball team she was on. I had her on an episode last 561 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,840 year, actually, which was really fun, but yes, for anybody who 562 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,280 doesn't know, that's why I'm I'm shouting them out anyway. 563 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,680 Princeton also has wins over Middle Tennessee and the 564 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,400 University of San Diego. And then they took UCLA, who was 565 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,600 #3 at the time and is now #2 in the AP poll all the way. 566 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,480 They fought till the very end and they lost 77 to 74. 567 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,880 So similar to Tennessee and that they have kind of a really good 568 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,840 loss when you look at it. They're averaging 66.5 points 569 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,320 per game with 5.8 threes. They're pulling down an average 570 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,360 of 38 rebounds, and they force almost 15 turnovers per game, 571 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,480 but they also give up about 14 turnovers themselves. 572 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,480 So, Kevin, just to start off, what are your initial thoughts? 573 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,720 What are you going to be looking at for Princeton on Saturday? 574 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:50,080 I I I'm very intrigued by this game just just the simple I mean 575 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,680 Indiana played them not that long ago right? 576 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,080 Like you mentioned but also and this goes for any any sport and 577 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,160 and college athletics. You never know what you're 578 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,880 getting with these Ivy League teams. 579 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,160 You know what I mean? It's just, you don't know. 580 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,880 I mean, I mean, Princeton last year in the men's tournament 581 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,800 came out and was a complete surprise. 582 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,200 And the Princeton team that Indiana faced in the tournament 583 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,960 was a very good team. I mean, yes, they came into 584 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,360 Assembly Hall and lost eventually, but you know that 585 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,440 that was a very good team as well and that was an awesome 586 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,800 game to be at and sort of watch. Well, they had. 587 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,960 They had Abby Myers, who then went to Maryland and completely 588 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,320 tore it up. So and then she got drafted. 589 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,040 So yeah. Yeah, exactly. 590 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,360 Completely off topic, but how about Maryland falling out of 591 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,160 the top 25 for the first time in 13 years? 592 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,680 I believe it is. It's something around that 1314 593 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,280 years just goes to show how crazy. 594 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,120 Talented and crazy how much depth there is this year in in 595 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,120 women's basketball. But anyway, Princeton again, you 596 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,400 you just don't know what to expect with these Ivy League 597 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,600 teams because they only play within themselves. 598 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,160 Really. Within the Ivy League, 599 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,680 obviously, but yeah. But you know, I'm very excited 600 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,280 to see how Indiana will adapt I from what I remember. 601 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:21,120 Princeton was a a a team on the smaller scale but played small 602 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,720 ball to their advantage. You know what I mean? 603 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,920 They they played to their advantage, they played with 604 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,320 their strengths and again, the travel aspect is going to be 605 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,720 very, very, very interesting. From interesting from what I 606 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:39,160 remember, the Princeton fan base travelled well to Assembly Hall, 607 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,160 especially obviously the parents and the family and the friends. 608 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000 Traveled well, but there were there were plenty of Princeton 609 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,880 fans to support them in those games. 610 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,600 But yeah, look, I mean, a lot will dictate my answer, what I 611 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,840 want to see from Indiana, depending if they win or lose 612 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,920 against Tennessee. But very, very excited for a 613 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,720 matchup that sort of has this mysterious tone. 614 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,920 But it's not a, it's not a. Cakewalk by any means. 615 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,080 I mean, Princeton received votes just yesterday and the latest 616 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,520 eight people. So they're very good team. 617 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,280 They're, you know, they're near the top of the Ivy League. 618 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,480 So look, I'm, I'm not going to sit here and act like I know 619 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,320 everything about every team and in college basketball. 620 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,720 So I again like, I'm very, very curious to see what is going to 621 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,720 come out of this matchup that you typically wouldn't see in a 622 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,440 regular season exactly when you mentioned height. 623 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,480 So Princeton has two players that are 6 foot four and then 624 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,760 everyone else's is shorter. So they are a little bit on the 625 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,480 smaller side like you said. I'm looking through their roster 626 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,720 and seeing a decent amount of heights that start with five S 627 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,360 Granted there it's like 510 and 511 and five nine but still 628 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,080 compared to a team like Indiana who has a little bit more 629 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,200 height, something to keep an eye on statistically, just want to 630 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,480 look at some of their top players. 631 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,640 One, Caitlin Chen was on the team two years ago when they 632 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,680 when they came to Indiana and she's second on the team in 633 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,080 points. She's averaging 16.5. 634 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,360 And then the only person above her is Madison St. 635 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,720 Rose who's averaging 17.8. And it's so as as a team, like I 636 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,200 mentioned, they're, they're scoring, but it seems like 637 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,560 they're a fairly well-rounded team. 638 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,040 And it's kind of like you said, the the thing with Princeton and 639 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,160 some of these schools is that it's just a toss up because they 640 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:28,120 always play so hard and so you never really know you, you don't 641 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,160 know what to expect. And that's going back to that 642 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,480 2022 game in the tournament, people weren't expecting 643 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,960 Princeton. You know, people outside of like 644 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,840 the insider women's basketball world, I guess weren't expecting 645 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,680 Princeton to be so good. And that was really the first 646 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,920 time that they put made a name for themselves and like kind of 647 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,640 put themselves on a national level. 648 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,120 Indiana ended up winning 56 to 55, which was very low scoring. 649 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,360 It's very, very low scoring, which I remember thinking and 650 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,880 then very, very close. I remember Abby Myers hit or she 651 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,320 hit a three, but it she couldn't beat the buzzer and so then 652 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,840 that's how the game ended. So they came. 653 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,040 They came so close. And so then then last year they 654 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,960 made it to the second round of the tournament and they lost to 655 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,920 Utah, who was the two seed. So it's like they're the the 656 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,880 rosters are a lot more different now than they were like for for 657 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,920 the Indiana Tennessee game. But like I mentioned the there's 658 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,760 some two big holdovers really for both teams, Ellie Mitchell 659 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,360 and Caitlin Chen for the Tigers. And then you have Mackenzie 660 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,560 Holmes and Clover McNeil for the Hoosiers. 661 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,199 And so it's just, it's going to be a really interesting game 662 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,199 because Princeton also is going to play Oklahoma, who's 663 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,280 currently ranked in the 20s, and the AP poll on Thursday before 664 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,000 they go into Saturday. So I think, you know, both 665 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,440 Indiana and Princeton are going to have things that they're 666 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,159 going to want to work on and improve upon depending on how 667 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,920 their earlier games go, which could dictate, like you said 668 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,960 earlier, just a lot of how this game goes. 669 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,680 It's also at 11 in the morning, which is something to keep in 670 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,480 mind because that is not a like that. 671 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,880 That is not a great time for a basketball game in my opinion. 672 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,400 Yeah, I know that's a little funky. 673 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,840 So that we'll we'll see. I'll be rolling up to the court 674 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,120 with a big cup of coffee in my hand. 675 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,760 I I was also going to say that game is going to be on 676 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:24,160 fswbucks.com, which I don't know what that is. 677 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,160 That's the Florida Southwestern College Athletics website, which 678 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,640 is where they're playing. Oh, OK, yeah, I don't know what 679 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,840 it means broadcast wise, but I that's the website because I 680 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,360 looked it up earlier because I didn't know what it was either. 681 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,040 So yeah, I'm assuming they're going to have some sort of 682 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,000 stream is my guess. I'm assume, yeah, I'm assuming 683 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,160 that's what it's going to be. But yeah, to go back to that 684 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,920 match up that you were talking about two years ago, I forgot 685 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,640 that that game ended just by. It was a one point game and it 686 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,680 was so low scoring and I mean I was just kind of while you were. 687 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,440 Talking about it right there, I was just kind of looking over at 688 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,440 the box scoring. Indiana somehow won this game, 689 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,600 committing 17 turnovers. They They had Princeton. 690 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:14,040 Have Princeton at 8 you know they I, I have to rewatch that 691 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,840 game you know it's been it's been a lot has happened since 692 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:22,760 March 21st 2022 just just a little bit just a little bit but 693 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,160 yeah you know our whole point with with Princeton is. 694 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:29,960 You know, it's going to be very interesting to see how Indiana 695 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,560 reacts to a team that they're not as familiar with. 696 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,560 You know what I mean? That you know, a team that 697 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,560 nobody's really familiar with just because of the true nature 698 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,280 of these Ivy League teams. But yeah, very exciting. 699 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,480 It should be a fun trip, all things considered. 700 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,080 You know what I mean? It's it's a trip that is, you 701 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,120 know, in Florida, a very fun trip. 702 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,680 You know, it's during Thanksgiving week. 703 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,360 So you know, these these student athletes are not with their 704 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,120 families, obviously. Most of the time. 705 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,720 But that just means they're going to be able to count on 706 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,440 each other more and they're able to you know spend Thanksgiving 707 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,280 to with each other and and and whatever hotel they're staying 708 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,320 at, which I, you know, is is is fun in its own way. 709 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,360 You know what I mean? It's cool in its own experience. 710 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,600 So, you know, these are the type of invitationals of that 711 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,560 Indiana. It needs to plan. 712 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,840 It needs to continue to play. And that's one thing that I was 713 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,440 thinking about this. I mean you have two quality 714 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,000 opponents right here in a in a very fun Fort Myers 715 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,840 Invitational. I mean, you know, credit to 716 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,440 everybody over there at the athletic department that is 717 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,240 scheduling these type of games for Indiana. 718 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,480 I mean, if you were to go to a Indiana basketball fan and you 719 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,960 would have asked them 5678 years ago? 720 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,120 Hey, are your early non conference games going to be 721 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:54,080 against a top 15 Stanford team and then a week and a half later 722 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,360 you're going to go to Florida and play a top 15 again 723 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,760 Tennessee team or top 20 sorry a top 20 team and then another 724 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,160 quality team in Princeton. I mean that's that's my whole 725 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,280 thing with these Invitational. I mean, these are the type of 726 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,520 games that you want to play to get you ready for for Big 10 727 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,200 play and. And yeah, I mean, look, you 728 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,440 know, it's we're not that far away from the first Big 10 game. 729 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,800 That's December 9th against Rutgers. 730 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,800 So it should be a very fun week. You're going to be there and 731 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,080 then you're going to find out bright and early Wednesday 732 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,440 morning. Yeah, we'll be there Friday. 733 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,000 We'll be that. We'll be there that Thursday, 734 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,240 Friday. You're coming back Sunday, 735 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,160 Saturday night, Sunday. Or no Sunday morning? 736 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,160 Sunday morning, because we're going to go up to Indy together. 737 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For the the men's Harvard game. 738 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,560 It's full of basketball. Like we said, you know it. 739 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:46,360 Never. Stops. 740 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,680 It never stops. But yeah, I'm just very, very 741 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:56,000 excited to just sort of sit back and and watch Indiana through 742 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,720 through the TV because obviously, I mean there's 743 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:04,000 nothing compared to watching. Any team in person, right. 744 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,560 But, but because of the, I mean we're still in school and 745 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,680 everything because I can sort of take a step back and sort of 746 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,880 really sort of focus in on Indiana on a broadcast view, it 747 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,360 gives me another perspective and that's kind of what I'm liking. 748 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,800 You see things that you don't see in person. 749 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,560 Yeah, yeah. I mean, because of, you know, 750 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,560 the chaotic nature of of, of any basketball game, you sort of 751 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,080 miss stuff, right? So yeah, I'm just very excited 752 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,680 to take a step back, sort of have a little Turkey next to 753 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,240 next to me, have my have my computer there it is some Turkey 754 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:39,760 for me. I don't know what the media meal 755 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,440 is going to be on Thursday. I bet you it's going to be 756 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,000 Turkey. I bet you I hope so. 757 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,640 Why would it not be? Yeah, I bet you it's going to be 758 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,640 like Turkey Mashed potato or whatever it may be. 759 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,000 I mean, I bet you they're going to give you a I'll get a full 760 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,360 review. We'll we'll need a picture. 761 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,480 We'll need a picture. We'll need food review from Fort 762 00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,080 Myers. OK. 763 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:00,320 I'll do it. I bet. 764 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,680 I can't imagine it being I. If the if you walk in let me 765 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,000 just say this we're we're recording completely so 766 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,720 everybody knows. On the record. 767 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,600 On the record, if you walk in and they got like just, you 768 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,200 know, just like chicken parmesan pasta or something, hey, I love 769 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,720 chicken parm. Granted, but on Thanksgiving? 770 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,360 Is that what you're craving on Thanksgiving? 771 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,960 No. Like, would I be happy with it? 772 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,600 Yeah. But I would also be like, I 773 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,200 really wanted, like, some stuffing. 774 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:29,800 So. There we go. 775 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,240 But to my look, if they come in here and they give you like 776 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,280 hoagies or something, I I would. I would. 777 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,000 I would be. I don't know what's this. 778 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,120 What's the staple sandwich place in Florida? 779 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,000 What do they have? Honestly, probably like Publix. 780 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,680 Publix people love. Public sandwiches. 781 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,920 I don't like if anybody can't, not until they try it, but. 782 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,240 If anybody from Florida is listening, let us know what your 783 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,880 favorite sandwich or whatever sandwich I'll be there for four 784 00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,720 days. I can go. 785 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,200 I can go around and just try all the different sandwich spots in 786 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,000 Fort Myers. But. 787 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,040 Yeah. Anyway, I bet you, I bet you we 788 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,880 can give you Thanksgiving. OK, that's, that's good. 789 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,200 Well, kind of skip a little bit back on track. 790 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,960 You mentioned So at 11:00 AM on Saturday, Indiana and Princeton 791 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,680 will be broadcast on fswbucks.com. 792 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,960 It's bucs.com. There's no K Indiana and 793 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,760 Tennessee will tip off at 6:00 PM on Thursday, and that will be 794 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,720 on Fox. So yay, national broadcast. 795 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,400 Go women's basketball. There's also, of course, they're 796 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,720 both going to be on B97 with Austin Render. 797 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,200 If you're, you know, driving to and from your your family's 798 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,880 house and you still want to listen to women's basketball 799 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,680 that will be available. Kevin, I think we should keep 800 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,640 the fun going and make some predictions before we close this 801 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,560 out. I can go first. 802 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,320 This is also something that I popped in my mind when right 803 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,320 before we started talking about Thanksgiving. 804 00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,080 I I'm curious to see if either of these teams will employ or 805 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,600 try to at some point use the full court press against 806 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,520 Indiana. And I'm very, very curious to 807 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,120 see. I don't, I don't know a whole 808 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,120 lot about either Tennessee or Princeton's defensive schemes in 809 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,920 general. I don't know if that's something 810 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:18,560 that they are like capable of doing per SE, but I'm very 811 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,200 curious to see if that's something that either will try 812 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,400 to do, at least for a little bit. 813 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,840 That being said, I feel like this is going to be a split for 814 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,800 Indiana. I could see them beating either 815 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,760 and losing to either, if that makes sense because it goes back 816 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,240 to what you were saying. It's all about mentality because 817 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,040 I think they have the talent to win both. 818 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,240 But I don't know. You know, say you come out and 819 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:47,120 you lose to Tennessee. You should beat Princeton if 820 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,400 you. You know however it is. 821 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,080 But I I question not like the drive of the team because 822 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,440 they're all very motivated, but I don't know if they can play 2 823 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,600 talented teams in such close proximity to each other and come 824 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,760 out with two wins. If that makes sense. 825 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,920 Because of just there, the other teams are going to pick up on 826 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,000 issues no matter what, and they're good enough to adjust to 827 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,480 those issues. And then it comes back to is 828 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,840 Indiana good enough to get over those problems and adjust in 829 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,240 their own right? And yeah, so I feel like I'm, 830 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:23,680 I'm feeling AA11 split. My gut says a loss to Tennessee 831 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,360 and a win over Princeton. So that's that's kind of where 832 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,880 I'm going to sit I think right now. 833 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,240 I I mean you told me we were going to do predictions before 834 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:40,240 and our little pre production meeting but and I I was going to 835 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:43,920 say Indiana comes in. Gets the two victories gets 836 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,800 against the win over Tennessee or Princeton. 837 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,600 But I mean just simply in this conversation it makes total 838 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,800 sense why Indiana would go on and and and split the week, the 839 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,520 weekend I should say. You know it's it's a quick turn 840 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:04,760 around and look I, I, I, I have a fear that if if Indiana does 841 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,160 split or if Indiana loses both of them because I mean that's 842 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,000 also on the table. People are going to have sort of 843 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:19,000 a a somewhat of a reaction, but you know, I I think these are 844 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,440 the type of team or I'm sorry, these are the type of games you 845 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,760 want to play for Indiana. And in the way these are the 846 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,600 type of losses that you want to have. 847 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:33,200 I mean kind of kind of because these are, I mean these it's you 848 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,400 got these two teams in Stanford and those are your non 849 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,920 conference games that you really from a from a perspective like 850 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,920 later down the road for selection committee all that 851 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,800 kind of thing. Like you really have to come out 852 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,640 very successful especially after that loss to Stanford. 853 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,120 But I do get what you're saying in that, like you you do need to 854 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,520 play these games and so it's good that they're playing them 855 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,520 regardless. Yeah. 856 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,760 And look, I mean, I just, I just don't. 857 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,640 I just want to get this point across that. 858 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,400 No matter what the weekend goes like, I mean, well, I mean, 859 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,680 obviously if they went to, if they went both, it's going to be 860 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,040 just fine, right, Right. If Indiana goes on and doesn't 861 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,080 look as good, as look as polished as as we've seen them, 862 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,480 you got to keep in mind this team is still finding out who 863 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,200 they are. This just this just goes back to 864 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,520 what we were talking about earlier. 865 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:27,240 The there's role even with just the lone loss of grace this the 866 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,840 roles on this team completely switched around. 867 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,240 And we've seen that here in the early parts of the 23 season. 868 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,000 I think we've seen that more to a level that a lot of people 869 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,880 didn't expect, including myself. I did not expect Indiana to be 870 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,680 playing this way, just without Grace Burger essentially. 871 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,920 So look, this Indiana team is still finding out how they want 872 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,720 to play, what roles people are going to fit in. 873 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,000 But with that being said, you do need a little bit more 874 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,440 production from a a few certain players on the team. 875 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,480 Yarden is one of them. Sydney is the biggest one in my 876 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,720 eyes. Lily has gotten new quality 877 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:05,200 minutes when she's been out there. 878 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,320 Lennae has been out there, really played out there well. 879 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,880 But yeah, the the the conversation about Indy. 880 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,400 I feel like the conversation about where Indiana is at is 881 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,080 going to take either a left turn or a right turn after this 882 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,200 weekend and and you know they got, they have the big game. 883 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:31,280 Big emotional game I should say, against Maine after this, But 884 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,760 you know the conversation about where this Indiana team by the 885 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,400 public is going to take one is 1 is going to go one way or the 886 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,960 other. But my only thing with that 887 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,400 being said is, I mean, this team is still finding out who they 888 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,560 are and they're still trying to find out what roles work for 889 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,800 what players and whatnot, but this is still one of the best 890 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,720 teams in the country. No, I I completely agree. 891 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,080 And so I think that that just about does it for today. 892 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,080 So thanks so much for listening as always. 893 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,280 Should be a great week of college hoops all around. 894 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,320 And like we said, this really is the most important week of 895 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,760 basketball for Indiana and now before they start conference 896 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,960 play. So be sure to keep up with Kevin 897 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,760 and myself on our social media accounts for all updates. 898 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,920 I will have probably more updates than Kevin does because 899 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,320 I'll be there. But hey, Kevin, you update 900 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,760 people as much as you want. I also there you go. 901 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,280 I also I UW BB you got a distinguished man. 902 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,280 Come on. I also won't have much else to 903 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,360 do down in Fort Myers unless I'm prying all of the different 904 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,360 sandwich spots, I guess. So we'll see. 905 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,040 But also make sure to follow along with coverage on inside 906 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,560 the hall as well as always. And we'll be back next week to 907 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,800 recap both games, however they turn out. 908 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,280 Whatever they mean, we'll talk about it and we'll figure it 909 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,680 out. So stay tuned for that. 910 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,400 And happy Thanksgiving. Happy yeah, Happy Thanksgiving. 911 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,880 Oh my gosh, Happy Thanksgiving. Your families enjoy. 912 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,640 Your families enjoy some college basketball. 913 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,120 Have a Turkey dinner? No. 914 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:55,240 Or a Publix dinner.