1 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:14,240 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:26,080 Field Apparel. Hey there folks, Welcome back to 3 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,920 Crimson Cast. Scott here with you. 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,400 Excited to be back. It's been a while. 5 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,880 I know I've been off a little bit busy. 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,960 You know, life, kids, soccer matches, all those things. 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,240 I'm super excited today to be joined by Ryan Phillips of 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,320 Assembly Call part of the Back Home Network. 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,600 As you all know, we are both part of the Back Home Network. 10 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,960 He's saluting me. 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You get 25 or 15% off your first 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,240 purchase if you use the promo code HOME 23 Ryan, my wife 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,560 consumes about, I don't know, 2% of our podcast material. 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,800 Mostly stuff she hears me saying The one side and I talked to her 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:15,920 and she's kind of half interested. 24 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,760 The one thing she likes she always gets a kick out of is 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,480 that I named this podcast the Two Copilots. 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,280 No pilot podcast. She likes that. 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,160 That's probably the only thing she knows that I do. 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,040 For all she knows, I'm talking about Auburn football in here 29 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,200 for an hour, but she likes that. So to my other copilot, welcome 30 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,160 aboard my friend. Thanks man. 31 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,240 It's always great when we do this and and I think it drives 32 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,040 Galen and Jared crazy listening to these because it's just so no 33 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,560 you take the one. No, you take the way I'm going 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,360 to take the wheel now. And so yeah, this this is just 35 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,040 us, man. It's it's the way we do and. 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,400 The the jokes on them because This is why we don't do reads 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,400 because they'll hear us screw it up. 38 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,400 And then for a year, Gale like, no, man, I got the home field 39 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,000 read like Scott's called the home network. 40 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,320 Like he's all screwed up. Like, yeah. 41 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,720 And and and what they don't realize we're doing that on 42 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:57,720 purpose, that they have to do all. 43 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:58,720 The Yeah, I'm going to get some coffee. 44 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,240 I'm going to get some Donuts. Like they're not. 45 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,840 Going to listen to this, they'll never know but. 46 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,240 There's a world where you and I are just totally locked in. 47 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,680 We're doing the best reads, but just yeah, not getting that out 48 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,520 of me well. What was what was funny is we've 49 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,360 been each other's orbit for so long and we finally met 50 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,320 February. We've never been to the same 51 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,240 room before and and there were worries that the the the 52 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,960 universe might implode if the two of us were in the same room 53 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,400 because we kind of suck up all the energy. 54 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,480 But it didn't happen. Everybody's good. 55 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,680 Yeah, it's a good thing it didn't happen in 2020 because 56 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,440 that would have been like, well, that caused COVID like you. 57 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,880 We get together. It's like, yeah, by the way, 58 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:31,240 real quick. Just want to shout out to you my 59 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,520 friend, Congrats on getting the the role in si.com that is, 60 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,000 that's fantastic my friend. That's a great. 61 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,760 That's a great step. Thank you. 62 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,960 I've I've been telling people that when you know it is it is 63 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,600 awesome and it's it's an honor to work there and and you know 64 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,800 there's a transition kind of going right now or I'm kind of 65 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:47,440 we're all kind of feeling our way in. 66 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,120 But I've been telling people that when I was 10 years old I 67 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,200 my dream job was to play third base for the San Diego Padres. 68 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,320 On the on the slight chance that didn't happen I gave myself a 69 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,960 backup plan which was to write for Sports Illustrated didn't 70 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,640 realize it would take this long to get to my backup but it 71 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:07,880 finally did and honestly it's it's pretty surreal and still 72 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,760 you know transitioning over there and and getting used to it 73 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,160 but everybody there's great and our we're you know our our 74 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,880 company has transitioned some people over to it's it's kind of 75 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,280 a merger and and it's been fantastic and and I'm so excited 76 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,920 about it and I'm so excited to get to write about IU and and 77 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:27,120 all of the things I actually really care about on that 78 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,760 platform it should be amazing so now we know. 79 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,960 We're a bitch at if we're not in the cover of SI, it's like. 80 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,080 Exactly. No, I've already. 81 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,520 I've already gotten it. Will you getting Indiana on the 82 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,080 cover was like, yeah, that's not my decision. 83 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,160 I'm not there yet. To be fair, Indiana had a great 84 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,080 run from like 76 to 87. SI was also at the top. 85 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,240 I think we made the cover like twice during that run. 86 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,200 I think what's the the last time was Cody, right? 87 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,160 Well, I guess Oladipo was on the cover was one of the regional 88 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,360 covers for that, that March Madness Cody, the beginning of 89 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,680 that year and I think before that was DJ White with the dude 90 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,360 from Illinois. I have a poster in my basement 91 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,680 of all the SIS and then like before that it was I think Damon 92 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,480 Bailey beat in Kentucky. There was a long stretch there. 93 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,720 I didn't realize it. Would have been that I could be 94 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,160 there. There might be one in the gap 95 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:11,360 there. I'm not AI need to. 96 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,760 I can run downstairs and if you want to do 2 reads I can and 97 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,160 then I I think before that it was the night like the night 98 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,519 Court One in like the 87 run. Oh yeah, I remember that one. 99 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,880 But you know, I I honestly want to thank everybody, you know, 100 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,400 all the Indiana fans that that have followed me over the years. 101 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,080 I, you know, you guys have helped push me push my writing 102 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,400 career where it was. I think in 2016 I was almost out 103 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,520 of the business and wound up in and I've gotten a lot of help 104 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,560 from from the IU sort of family of of reading my stuff and and 105 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,360 whether you like it or not reading it and often times 106 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,240 letting me hear that you don't like it, which is great. 107 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,680 I appreciate that as well. But the click is all that 108 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,320 matters. So thanks to everybody for for 109 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,480 supporting me. Over the years, so you're 110 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,240 getting writing nil deals. I hear you're just going to kick 111 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,480 out here. All right. 112 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,120 Well, let's. So here's here's my thought for 113 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,080 this podcast. Kind of framing it in one way is 114 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:07,960 that but again from my orbit the the the IU stuff that I ingest, 115 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,320 it's feels like there hasn't been a lot of seasoned 116 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,160 retrospectives. There has been the the stuff you 117 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,040 see in a lot of places and a lot of like the you know the rewind 118 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,440 stuff that inside the hall does and some like all you guys have 119 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,920 done some stuff but it feels like everyone has been kind of 120 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,800 looking just let's just talk about the the the portal portal 121 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,720 guys moving straightforward. I I get that. 122 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,960 I think it's kind of interesting there hasn't been a lot of 123 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,960 retrospective, which I guess people don't want to look at a 124 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,320 season where you didn't make the tournament. 125 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,600 That said, I do think looking back at last season, looking 126 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,040 back at Woodson's last three years is kind of it could be 127 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,080 very instructive and doing it kind of in a that was funniest 128 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,400 thinking about this like let's do it in in a bit of a rational 129 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,640 way with maybe two of the most irrational people on the back 130 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,840 home network. So but no that that should. 131 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:48,120 Go Great. It should go great. 132 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,400 It's. It's going to be fantastic. 133 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,160 We're going to fire everybody by the time this podcast is over. 134 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,040 Let's let's look at this season and last, you know, last two 135 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,720 years and let's just try and kind of put into perspective 136 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,960 what we saw, what we think and how, what it means moving 137 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,240 forward. So kind of giving you a lot of 138 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,360 runway, what, what were your like, overall feelings about how 139 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,480 things went this season besides just, you know, the old joke 140 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,360 like not great, Bob, because we didn't make the tournament, went 141 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,040 19 and 14. Nothing really to note. 142 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,000 I worry it's going to be a season's lost in time, but I I 143 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,400 don't know what were your high level thoughts for this season, 144 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,800 both good and bad? I thought there were some 145 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,680 individual things that were good but overall the team just did 146 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,800 not fit together and the pieces didn't fit together And and I 147 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,240 think we kept saying at the beginning of the season 148 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:34,920 especially on something called hey, it's going to take this 149 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,640 team a while because these guys haven't played together before. 150 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,160 It's going to take them a while to kind of figure it out. 151 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,560 It took way too long. I mean I mean I and I don't 152 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:42,560 know. You know it's one of those 153 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,520 things where you're using the excuse using the excuse using 154 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,200 the excuse and at some point like are they ever going to 155 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,640 learn to play together. And and it it, you know it 156 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,160 bottomed out at Penn State in February and when they were 14 157 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,800 and 13 they lost, you know on the road to Penn State 14 and 158 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,000 13, six and 10 in the Big 10. Now they made that late season 159 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,840 run. But I think in hindsight that 160 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:05,520 five game-winning streak, if you look you know against Wisconsin 161 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,800 who was a team that was really struggling at that point, had a 162 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,040 good season but really struggled at that point at Maryland. 163 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,080 I I think Kevin will is going to get fired midway through next 164 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,880 season. You know they they beat 165 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,480 Maryland. I mean go on the road and win. 166 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,040 It's a big deal at Minnesota, not a good team. 167 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,680 Then you beat Michigan State, A-Team. 168 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,280 Nobody could figure out all year what they were, what they did 169 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,680 well, but they just kept being ranked high. 170 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,880 And then you beat a Penn State team you should have beat twice 171 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,640 before in the first round of the of the Big 10 tournament. 172 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,640 So you won five games in a row. That's difficult to do in the 173 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,280 Big 10 at any time. But you, when you kind of put 174 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,440 that in context, you know, a couple weeks earlier they had 175 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,680 won at Ohio State. Well, Ohio State was about to 176 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,400 fire Chris Holman. So you you know and Ohio State 177 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,320 made a run at the end of the year and look good but under a 178 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,560 different coach. So you look back and you're just 179 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,800 looking at all these signposts it's just like I you got run off 180 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,040 your floor a number of times a big blowouts I I just I don't 181 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,280 think that you know and and I heard a lot from the other well 182 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,400 they finished sixth in the Big 10 you know they won 19 games. 183 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,800 It it's like with the talent they had they should have been 184 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,880 way better. There should have been a better 185 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,720 idea and it shouldn't have taken as long as it did to figure out 186 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,520 what they did well and and how to attack teams. 187 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,480 And so it that season is and and also finished sixth in the Big 188 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,600 10 and one of the worst years of the Big 10. 189 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,920 In like 25 years, 2 is not a huge accomplishment. 10 and 10 190 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,560 in the conference is not a huge accomplishment. 191 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,800 So I for me utter disappointment with that season. 192 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,240 There's not, there's there's no way to sugarcoat that in 193 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,400 hindsight. And I think in hindsight it 194 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,280 actually looks worse. Some people have tried to like 195 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,320 rationalize that it's actually better than it was. 196 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,159 It wasn't. They didn't didn't really win 197 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:41,400 any big games and they lost some. 198 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,120 They definitely shouldn't have. And so I I there's nothing I can 199 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,600 look back on to hang my hat on. You finished a universe away 200 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,840 from the bubble. So yeah, it was it was 201 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,240 disappointing across the board, and in a in a rational way, it 202 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,720 was disappointing across the board. 203 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,400 I mean, I know I'm Mr., Irrational, Mr. Rant, but I 204 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,840 can't find things in that season that were positive as a team. 205 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,960 Khalil Ware's development was great to see. 206 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,560 You know, Anthony Leo finally getting a shot and playing 207 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:12,680 really well was good to see Trey Galloway leading an offense, 208 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:15,680 something he hadn't really done full time before and and 209 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,600 stepping up, those were good individual things to see. 210 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,920 But as and and Mackenzie and Bacco's improvement at the end 211 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,520 of the season as well, especially because he's coming 212 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,200 back during the season. I was kind of like, well, yeah, 213 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,840 he's improving, but he's not going to be here, so whatever. 214 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,520 But the fact that he's coming back that that bodes well for 215 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,240 the future. So there were some individual 216 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,120 things, but as a team I just, I could not find positives from 217 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,600 that season. Yeah, it's a it's a weird. 218 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,480 Season. Because for people who are kind 219 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,040 of passive, there's not a lot of, but I I do know people who 220 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,920 are kind of passive sports fans. You look at and it's like, hey 221 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,960 man, they made the tournament, first two years, didn't make the 222 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,160 tournament. They weren't awful. 223 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,920 You know six in the Big 10, it's like, yeah, it's just not here. 224 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,480 Everybody has it. And on one hand you you can say 225 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,400 that if you're kind of just a passive fan. 226 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,720 But Indiana, and I mean we are not passive fans and we're also 227 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,720 talking to not passive fans. And if you live through it, it 228 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,280 was a brutal stretch. And yeah, they finished on A5 229 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,280 game, Yeah, well you know they they finished that four-game win 230 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,240 streak, but leading up to that they were two and eight in 10 231 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,040 Big 10 games if you stretch that. 232 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,840 So that was from Purdue to Penn State. 233 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,720 If you stretch it out they were four and 10 from January 3rd to 234 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,360 February 24th. And if you take out Morehead 235 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,120 State, North Alabama and Kennesaw State, which are Gimme 236 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,520 games, you should win. Which by the way they won one of 237 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,440 them by one point against Morehead State, but we'll take 238 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,680 them out. There were four and 12 from 239 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:36,160 December 9th to February 24th and as you said just the the 240 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,520 utter ass kickings just getting blown out by Auburn, you're 241 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,960 blown out on your homecourt by Nebraska. 242 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,400 I mean by Penn State being at Nebraska, I'm getting them all 243 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,480 mixed up. There's just there was so many 244 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:51,480 blowouts and it is started to add up and it just became by the 245 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,760 time you got to that four-game winning streak, it meant so 246 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,280 little that I think it kind of devalued what that win streak 247 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,720 really meant at the end because you would kind of pissed away 248 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,440 the entire season. People were clinging to that at 249 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,800 the end, you know, it's like, OK, finally we have some hope. 250 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,480 And it was like, yeah, your hope is you win the entire Big 10 251 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,720 tournament. It's the only way because I I 252 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,880 heard people rationally, well, if they get to the Big 10 253 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,720 tournament final, they'll probably get in. 254 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,880 I was like, no, they won't. They're nowhere near it. 255 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,320 They have to win it. And and I think people just had 256 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,640 never, they hadn't coped with that in a long time and it 257 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,080 thought that maybe Indiana's program had risen to another 258 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,200 level. And if you look at look the 259 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,520 reason why last year was so disappointing, people say, well, 260 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,320 you have an off year in the Big 10 happens to all the Big 10 261 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,120 teams as well. But the reason why that was so 262 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,160 disappointing is because the amount of resources that have 263 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,000 been put into the program, the size of the staff, the 264 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,680 investment in facilities, the like, if you do all of those 265 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:45,960 things, if you invest at let's say, a Kansas level, you cannot 266 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,800 have Northwestern results. And that is something. 267 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,600 Sorry to cut you off but we'll both do it to each other. 268 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,560 This is something that I was kind of took some heat for, but 269 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:57,600 I've been saying all year that you know I gave Woodson an A 270 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,960 plus for last year's offseason. You get one of the top people in 271 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,080 the Portal in, you know, Khalil Ware, you get a five star 272 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,040 recruit in Mackenzie and Baca who recommits, that's a home run 273 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,200 in the Portal. I don't know. 274 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,880 This is Imbacco is not a Portal guy, but I kind of lump it all 275 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,080 into the offseason. But that's that's a great 276 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,800 offseason and you get, you know, Anthony Walker and Peyton Sparks 277 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,080 who are very solid, respectable Portal gets. 278 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,000 And I'm like, that's a lot. Like most you're never going to 279 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,560 normally talk about Now, you know, they kind of look like 280 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:28,720 they did this year, which then it's like, alright, well now you 281 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,120 really got to do something. But that was my thing is you 282 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,800 can't just expect to get the number 5 guy in the Portal every 283 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,720 year. Maybe, maybe I'm wrong, maybe 284 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,080 you can. But that was my thing is if you 285 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,560 have an A or an A+ offseason, you really can't go in and do 286 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:45,400 like AC minus season and then be talking about, man, the pieces 287 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,760 don't fit. And then you see it like doesn't 288 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,360 work. It's like, man, you you got all 289 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,520 the right pieces. Like Khalil Ware did everything 290 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,560 you wanted. You had a lot of guys have the 291 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:55,640 offseason you wanted them to and then you had a really bummer of 292 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,160 a season so that it was that was really tough to deal with. 293 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,000 And and I think that my the only issue I have with the way 294 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,560 they're building the roster, I don't think it's sustainable 295 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:06,880 long term because I think some offseasons if you don't have a 296 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,800 good season, you're going to miss on portal guys because 297 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,840 they're going to go places are more successful especially as 298 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,560 NIO gets built out schools are going to be pretty much largely 299 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:18,440 even the top schools and so you're going to be battling 10 300 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,200 teams for one player and I just don't think that's a sustainable 301 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,840 strategy long term. They've been very successful in 302 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,680 spring recruiting very successful. 303 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,720 They got another they got another guy this year in Bryson 304 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,680 Tucker and then and it's, you know, it's kind of like you 305 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:32,800 shake the trees loose. But they've got to win long 306 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,920 recruitments though at some point because if you look at a 307 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,560 team like Yukon, Yukon has has filled in a few prospects 308 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:41,920 they've landed Liam Mcneely they they they added. 309 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,800 So. But The thing is their backbone 310 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:49,200 is getting recruits and then adding the pieces they need to 311 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,760 fill out the roster based on if there's a transfer. 312 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,720 If a guy goes pro, those things, you add the transfers to 313 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,400 supplement the roster. Building your roster from the 314 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:02,440 transfer portal is there's two reasons it doesn't work for a 315 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,640 championship and hasn't so far, and maybe it will moving 316 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,560 forward. It's still pretty new, but right 317 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:09,200 now you don't see championship teams beat built completely out 318 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,320 of the portal. And the reason why is one it 319 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,040 takes guys a while to get to know each other and get to play 320 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,160 with each other and you're getting like for example this 321 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,440 year Miles Rice, Canada, Carlisle have both been dominant 322 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,200 ball dominant guards are going to play in the same backcourt. 323 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,000 Now maybe it works smoothly and maybe Carlisle is really going 324 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,600 to fit off the ball and and Rice will be better leading the 325 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,560 offense or they can be interchangeable and they'll 326 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,240 they'll have great chemistry. But we don't know and they don't 327 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,880 know right now and it's going to be a transition. 328 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,280 You know you've got Embako, renew Galloway all played 329 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,480 together a lot this past season. So they all know each other but 330 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,560 now they've got to work in Balo and they've got to you know 331 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,400 figure out how that dynamic works and and so I just think 332 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,280 you need to have a base of players that is your backbone 333 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,400 and then you go pick guys. I don't think this strategy, 334 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,960 what Indiana is doing is sustainable long term. 335 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,720 Again, it's a new world with nil and the transfer portal. 336 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:07,240 We may see teams that do this wind up working, but it's being 337 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,920 treated almost like and I think This is why Woodson's good at 338 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,720 it. It's almost like NBA free 339 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,240 agency. Guys show up, do a tour of the 340 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,920 facilities, get offered money and decide what, you know, what 341 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,440 if they want to stay there and if they leave town and go see 342 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,040 another team, a lot of times you don't wind up getting them and 343 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,160 and and that's the way NBA free agency works. 344 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,080 Mike Woodson's done it for a long time. 345 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,200 The people around him have done it for a long time. 346 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,560 That's probably why he's good at it, you know, I mean, he doesn't 347 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,240 have to keep or build and keep a relationship for a year and a 348 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,800 half with phone calls and showing up in person And all of 349 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,080 that, which, you know, based on who you talk to behind the 350 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,480 scenes, has not been great for Indiana because, again, he's not 351 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,680 used to doing it. And so having to go from zero to 352 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,760 100 doing that is probably a shock given how hard you have to 353 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,880 work to recruit a single player, let alone an entire class. 354 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,000 There's a reason why they've been bad at that and good at 355 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,480 this. And I think it's just because of 356 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,320 the NBA aspect of it. And this is like NBA free 357 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,840 agency, It really is. They get these kids, get brief 358 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,800 visits, get offered money and have to pick where they're going 359 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,880 and and that's what Indiana's been successful at. 360 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,400 I think it's a great comp The the other thing that hasn't been 361 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,360 happening that kind of bothers me and I I've never been a you 362 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,400 have to recruit the state thing you you you can you can win 363 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,080 recruiting other. Places there are good players 364 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,200 everywhere. There are good players 365 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,880 everywhere, but I also counter, there's really, there's always, 366 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,920 there are always good players in Indiana and you could, I haven't 367 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,920 done it, but I mean almost every year in the Final Four there's 368 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,800 three or four kids from the state of Indiana. 369 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,560 And you know this is something that I'm I'm kind of 370 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,760 paraphrasing a point that Galen has made a couple of times on 371 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,600 Crimson Cast and it's a fairpoint. 372 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,120 You know the the idea of bringing back an Indiana coach 373 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,400 sorry a former Knight player as a coach is that you would get 374 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,960 some of the strands of what would what made IU successful 375 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,640 under Knight and by all me look look at the 8017 the 81 team. 376 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,480 It's not all Indiana kids there are other pieces but there are a 377 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,119 lot of backbone Indiana Midwest kids on those teams. 378 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,319 But and I'll keep to this point there's also other things there 379 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:09,960 like you know they they they play hard. 380 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,800 They don't get blown out they're not getting teed up. 381 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,880 There's a lot of things that aren't there. 382 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,680 But you know, you you look at Purdue and it's, I think like 11 383 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:21,040 of the 14 kids are from Indiana. And part of that is you, you 384 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,079 get, you know, that's why people like Trey Galloway so much. 385 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:24,119 He's from Culver. Like, we know. 386 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,040 I know where Culver is. I drive by there, like, you 387 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,160 know, you get somebody from Fort Wayne like, Oh my, my my wife's 388 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,520 from Fort Wayne. Like there is something to that. 389 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,560 Like in the end this is God. I feel like. 390 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,160 I feel like old guy Scott yelling off my lawn. 391 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,640 But like this is This is why? Was that different than always? 392 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,880 I know it's it's not. I mean I'm getting it's it's 393 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,440 wild. I'm turning into my dad. 394 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,280 It's it's bananas. It happens to all of us, you 395 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:43,480 kids. It's going to happen to you. 396 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,200 But like, this is what makes college different. 397 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,160 Anyway, the point that I'm making is I I do think Indiana 398 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,680 has lost its way a little bit with that. 399 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,960 And it's kind of bothersome to see it coming from a knight 400 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,160 disciple that when you needed six spots, you're not just 401 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,720 getting one more kid from Indiana that maybe you could 402 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:03,360 fill that spot and it, you know, so like you, I'm nervous. 403 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:06,680 This is a good long term strategy of trying to go out 404 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,840 there and play with the big boys because Indiana just hasn't done 405 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,480 and they don't have the resource, they don't have the 406 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,840 history of doing it. And but all that said, two years 407 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,160 in a row, they've done a really good job, they've gotten the 408 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,600 pieces. But again, you look at last 409 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,600 season, you had a lot of the pieces and you weren't able to 410 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,840 make them fit, so it is concerning, yeah. 411 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,000 I I think that with the Indiana thing and I've always been, 412 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,320 again, I'm not from Indiana. I grew up in California, 413 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,800 transferred in. I have a different perspective 414 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,000 on this than everybody else and and what I always said was like 415 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,640 with a coach when you're trying to hire a head coach, geography 416 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,920 shouldn't matter. Get the best person and and for 417 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,600 for for for for recruiting. I feel the same way but there's 418 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,560 a big but there. I think that it's important for 419 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,840 Indiana to get Indiana kids because you recruit programs as 420 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,200 much as players and the programs that consistently turn out great 421 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,840 players. You've seen Indiana get try and 422 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,240 get all deep in on Mont Verde and it and it hasn't really 423 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,960 worked long term. You recruit programs coaches, 424 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,320 AAU, you know programs as as well as players and The thing is 425 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:16,160 is that that provides you a pipeline of players that maybe 426 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,280 you not going to get all five stars. 427 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,680 You're going to need some guys like Anthony Leo and Trey 428 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,800 Galloway who are three stars who maybe the big programs aren't 429 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,960 looking at that you're going to have for four years that you can 430 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,880 develop into key rotation pieces. 431 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,080 And if you do that, you've always got that backbone of 432 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,120 talent kind of as a as a a hose coming in. 433 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,960 And the best place to do that is in your backyard because A you 434 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,080 don't have to fly all the way to Florida or Georgia to do it. 435 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,320 It's right there. Those kids can then come visit 436 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,000 campus. You maybe don't have to work as 437 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,280 hard to get them because they can't just drive down to 438 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,680 Bloomington to go to games. And you're not having to put as 439 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,600 much personal attention in dragging them across the country 440 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,880 to come here or flying across the country to for FaceTime. 441 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,160 They can just come on down and I think that that. 442 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,520 Is important and Indiana needs to get back to that. 443 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,320 Purdue has been, you know, I hate praising Purdue as much as 444 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,200 anybody. They've been fantastic at that 445 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,560 and that's something they have done for a long time. 446 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,280 Matt Painter is really smart to do it. 447 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,960 And I think that you know that this, this class coming up, the 448 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,480 2025 class can be very telling for the future of Indiana 449 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,920 basketball with Sicily and Mullins who they are all in on 450 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,920 Harrelson, who they've been recruiting forever. 451 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:24,400 You know, he's a national recruit. 452 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:29,000 He may not stay in the state, but if they can land a couple 453 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,240 Indiana guys and again they landed Mcneely but they didn't 454 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,800 keep them and keep them, that will tell you that the future of 455 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,360 the program is headed in a better direction. 456 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:41,320 If they don't get those guys, I really worry for the future. 457 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,000 Whether Mike Woodson's here or not, It can set you back for 458 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,680 years, even under a new coach. Another concern that that 459 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,560 continued from from last season was, you know the first two 460 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,600 years under Woodson they played a unique style, we'll call it 461 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,640 compared to modern basketball, but you did. 462 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,400 You also had Trace Jackson Davis in the post who was a 463 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,720 generational talent. I would counter that, you know, 464 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,040 Purdue had a similarly generational talent and they 465 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,680 were able to find ways to weave modern basketball and 466 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,600 three-point shooting in all. That said, you know, Mike 467 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,560 Woodson got the 2023 team to a four seed. 468 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,480 It's a protected seed, you know? Anyway, I have a thought on 469 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,560 that. We'll come back to it. 470 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,200 But you got, if you had a good season, you got a protected 471 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:24,920 seed. It did. 472 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,920 The tournament didn't work out the way you wanted to. 473 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,520 It doesn't always work out. And it felt like last offseason 474 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,360 when you and I did this, it was kind of like, all right, well, 475 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:35,000 now, all right, get our hands together now. 476 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,560 Woodson's going to show us his offensive. 477 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,560 Mind. Now we're, you know, that was 478 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,280 only because of Trace Jackson Davis. 479 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,080 That's what was changing him up. Now he's in the lab this 480 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,720 offseason. He's going to come in with some 481 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,520 great stuff. Oh no, we're just going to do 482 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,320 the exact same thing again. I'm concerned about it for this 483 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,120 reason, Ryan, is that I I don't. I think you can play that way. 484 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,240 You can if you decide we are going to play through the post 485 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,960 and we have found a reason to, you know, we're going to go 486 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,360 against the grain. I think there is always a reason 487 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:05,480 to go against the grain of the NBA was small or the NBA was big 488 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,200 in the 90s until the Warriors were small and then everything's 489 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,760 small and now suddenly it's like, man, we got to get some 490 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,480 bigs because suddenly the league is big again. 491 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,120 It it ebbs and flows. That said, Indiana's in a rough 492 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:19,440 spot with Mike Woodson that they don't shoot a lot of threes. 493 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,480 They're pretty efficient with their twos, but they get to the 494 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,720 line a lot. They're really bad for shooting 495 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,760 up at the line. They're not good at rebounding, 496 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,040 like all of the things that you would if you're not going to 497 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,600 shoot a lot of threes. You need to be really efficient 498 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,680 with your shots. You need to be great at getting 499 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,080 to the line and converting, and you need to rebound offensively 500 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,400 at a very elite level. And they don't do any of those 501 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,520 things. And then it it shows up in going 502 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,840 you know four for 12 in a 16 game stretch. 503 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,720 So I'm this is where I'm still concerned is that we got all 504 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,400 these great pieces. Are they going to be able to 505 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,400 work unless we play some kind of modern style of basketball? 506 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,360 Yeah, it is interesting to look at Mike Woodson, a Bob Knight 507 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:04,000 disciple, and look how different his teams play than Bob Knight's 508 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,800 teams. Bob Knight's teams could shoot. 509 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,520 They could rebound. They dove on the floor and 510 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,920 hustled. They did all those things. 511 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,480 They were wildly efficient offensively. 512 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,720 They moved. They never stopped moving 513 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,240 offensively. Woodson's teams don't move a 514 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,560 whole lot. It's all predicated on throwing 515 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,920 to the post and playing off of that. 516 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,680 A lot of times his perimeter guys stay put. 517 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,720 So the and the reason there is so that the post guy knows where 518 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,280 to, where they will be to Kick It Out, which if you run the 519 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,160 offense properly, he should know where they're going to be 520 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,280 anyway. But that's a whole other 521 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,320 discussion. But you know they they don't 522 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,360 shoot free throws. Well they don't shoot 3 pointers 523 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:44,040 well they again don't move. The defense is very reliant on 524 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,120 over help instead of being you know a man help. 525 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,760 It's it's this nail slot rim which is not with Bob Knight 526 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,360 rant. I mean, it's it's so crazy that 527 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:54,840 he was a knight disciple and looking at the way they play, if 528 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,200 you didn't know he had played for Bob Knight, you would. 529 00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:59,520 You would never know. Watching his teams play, he 530 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,800 looks. More like someone who played for 531 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,960 Archie Miller in a weird. Way, kind of honestly. 532 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,800 Kind of and and so that's it's very interesting and I I agree 533 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,720 with you 100% that if you look at what Purdue did because 534 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,800 everyone was like oh Purdue is post centric and they want a lot 535 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,080 well watch them play you know lawyer is never stops moving. 536 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,040 Britton Smith never stops moving. 537 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,000 They always have guys interchanging and screening. 538 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:25,240 They use Ed in a lot of high pick and roll and then dive him 539 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:28,120 but then they as they dive him he's not the only option. 540 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:32,200 They have shooters on the wings moving to get open and it's it's 541 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,800 constant movie. You watch Connecticut watch 542 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,160 Connecticut play. They had a 7 two guy who was 543 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,000 really good and clinging. I mean he was it was not the 544 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,560 same situation as Edie where he just got the ball all the time 545 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,520 but watch they had a big guy they could use and watch how 546 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,200 much movement they had on offense. 547 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,320 It was incredible to watch especially in that tournament 548 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,680 run as they like just only got stronger. 549 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,400 It was like you know launching A nuke at Godzilla. 550 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:02,360 They just got stronger and and so I, I, I, I question whether 551 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:05,280 this can be a winning strategy as well and and and if you look 552 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,200 at the bigs in the NBA and you're mentioning, yeah the NBA 553 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,680 is kind of predicated on on big guys. 554 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,800 They're kind of going back to that. 555 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,920 But all of those big guys can do multiple things. 556 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,720 I can step out on the floor and shoot threes. 557 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,840 They can shoot for they can shoot long twos. 558 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,400 They aren't just posting up. 22 nights ago I was at the Pacers 559 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,080 game. Miles Turner went seven for 9 560 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,040 from 3. Brook Lopez went four for five 561 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,720 from and his there. Was 3. 562 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,960 His threes were like Caitlin Clark threes. 563 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,520 They were deep, like it was wild, yeah. 564 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,640 Those guys can all do multiple things. 565 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,880 So it's not, it's not the same as just putting a guy. 566 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,320 And and I'll say this with Trace Jackson Davis, given his 567 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,880 versatility, they moved him around a lot and they ran a lot 568 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,520 of pick and roll. They ran a lot. 569 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,320 You know they they ran a lot of you know that high the high 570 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,000 elbows curl off of it with him. You know flipping to the post 571 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,520 and he showed with the Warriors this year he's just he's active. 572 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,840 He's an active guy to move around. 573 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,080 They didn't do a lot of that with Khalil Ware and and or as 574 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,520 much. I mean you'd see it sometimes 575 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,240 you know you'd run a quick screen at the top but they 576 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,360 didn't run hardcore pick and roll with him as much. 577 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:07,120 It was a lot of back to the basket stuff given his ability 578 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:10,400 he shot 42.5% from three. They didn't pick and pop a whole 579 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,240 lot either and they could have and and and you pick and pop 580 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,680 drop or new to the post. You know I mean there just 581 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,920 wasn't a lot it would and and a lot of like movement and change 582 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,000 and and I think that I don't think you can win in modern 583 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,120 basketball and I'll say this I think Mike Woodson could win at 584 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:29,920 Indiana. I don't think he can win a 585 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,480 championship at Indiana doing what he does. 586 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,920 And so I think you can have a season like you did with Trace 587 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,760 Jackson Davis maybe make the Sweet 16 if the matchups are 588 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,720 right. But if that's what your ceiling 589 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,320 is, you need to change things. Because in Indiana you are not 590 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,680 paying the the amount of money going into that program, the 591 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,200 amount of resources and all of that is not to get to the Sweet 592 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,200 16 and finish in the top four of the Big 10. 593 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,880 It's to win a championship. And if you can't win a 594 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,720 championship doing what you're doing, you have to change what 595 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,680 you're doing. Bring in different people, 596 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,520 bringing outside voices. The fact that they just had a 597 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,520 very disappointing season that didn't change anyone on the 598 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,400 staff, didn't bring in anybody from the outside, that's 599 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,040 worrying to me. It's not that I don't like the 600 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,760 staff. Sometimes you just need a new 601 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,320 voice. And with how much they struggled 602 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,560 last year to not bring in new people and new perspectives, 603 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,760 that worries me as well. You you mentioned the shooting 604 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,040 last year. That this is the thing that will 605 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,960 always baffle me about. Last season is fine. 606 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,480 You know Trace Jackson Davis never took a three in college. 607 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,880 I took like one or two and they were like halftime peeves, 608 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,480 whatever. But you know you had a guy in 609 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,520 Khalil Ware who could shoot the three and looked really good 610 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,640 shooting the three. And oh, by the way percentage 611 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,040 base was our best 3 point shooter last season shooting 612 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,360 42%. Here's the list of guys that 613 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:45,760 took more threes than him last year. 614 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,000 Malik Renew shot 33%. Imbacco shot 32%. 615 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,240 Took 153. Ware took 40. 616 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,480 Trey Galloway took more. CJ Gunn just take a minute. 617 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,520 The CJ Gunn shot more. He went 17 for 50. 618 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:04,120 Gabe cops took 39 threes, one more than one less than where 619 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,640 it. So that's five guys who took 620 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,480 more threes than Khalil Ware and and that's the part that kind of 621 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,960 maddened me last year is like hey man, you have this and and 622 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,600 Ware had a great season and he was used but he was at at times 623 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,840 it felt like he was always an afterthought and I'm like hey 624 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,000 man, run run some plays for Ware to get open for the three run 625 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,120 where like a point guard like why why are we not utilizing 626 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,840 this more because he's an unbelievable resource. 627 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,600 It felt like his threes came in transition or came very much 628 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,480 kind of as an afterthought. And that was the frustrating 629 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,720 part for me is you were almost given this. 630 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,360 Like forgive the analogy but let's not perfect, but like a 631 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,120 Victor Wimbanyama Light type in college. 632 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,800 It's like you can do some really cool stuff and you're not going 633 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,400 to do anything with it. You're going to treat him like a 634 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,440 very traditional post player. And that that makes me concerned 635 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,680 to think that you know when I hear all of this chatter in the 636 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,920 offs, you know now about, oh man, we got all these guys and 637 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,880 oh man, it's going to change. We're going to get much 3 point 638 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,000 shooters. Like I don't see it. 639 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,400 Like I what I see last year is what we're going to do because I 640 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,640 look at where as a talent that was kind of unused incorrectly 641 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,680 for most of last year. I agree and and look at 7 foot 642 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,520 of you you're going to get easy buckets with his back to the 643 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,440 basket like it's and any and we're incredibly skilled around 644 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,560 the hoop and honestly I I love Balo he was one of my favorite 645 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,480 players in College of the last two years so I'm really excited 646 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,960 to get him but from an offensive skill perspective where is 647 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,840 better like you know and Bob Balo does a lot of things that 648 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,320 we're didn't So I think it's kind of a an even exchange but 649 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,320 but Ware was incredibly skilled and I and I agree I think they 650 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,720 just fit him into the Trace Jackson Davis box and then did 651 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,440 less than they did with Trace Jackson Davis in that regard and 652 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,160 and I just think Woodson's offense is what it is and and I 653 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,560 hear from a lot of people and I heard it all season I was like 654 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,200 Yep Indiana can't shoot three like Mike Woodson has to do 655 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,120 something or whatever and people will be like well they're 656 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,280 getting open looks they're just missing him It's like well it's 657 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,280 on the coaches to get them to make them as well it's not it's 658 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,040 not just getting them open looks and and the other and he just 659 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,000 could tell these guys had no confidence from deep and and 660 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,720 that needs to be instilled first of all second of all. 661 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,720 If the offense is getting you open looks that you're 662 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,600 consistently missing something is wrong whether it's the 663 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,040 players you're picking or where you're getting them shots and 664 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,000 all of that stuff like something has to it's on the coaches to 665 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,000 figure that out because you have to and I and I heard well they 666 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,840 don't shoot a lot of threes because they're bad at making 667 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:33,160 them again like figure that out like you're paid to figure that 668 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,600 out and and so again this isn't the bash Mike Woodson hour I you 669 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,080 know he's done a great job this offseason addressing the needs 670 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,000 and and I'm I'm hopeful and I think that a lot of people when 671 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,920 you and I think that a lot of people are emotionally invested 672 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,200 in Mike Woodson because they watched him play or he's an 673 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,040 Indiana guy or whatever and it and that's great and I and I 674 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,920 love that. I appreciate that. 675 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,640 You know I don't have anything personally against Mike Woodson. 676 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,520 I I think that you know critiquing his coaching people 677 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,640 think that that's a you know both of those things are true 678 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,120 and they're not. I I am 100% hopeful that he 679 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,000 figures it out and that he's the guy to lead Indiana to a 680 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,320 championship. I I think that's a great story 681 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:20,560 that would be wonderful to tell. And I think that, you know, none 682 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,440 of us want to do another coaching search. 683 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,440 I think he could say that like none of us want to go through 684 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,000 that again. So I hope he figures it out. 685 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,680 I just have no evidence at this point that things are going to 686 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,440 change from a system perspective. 687 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,880 And I think we have enough evidence in three years that the 688 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,640 system doesn't really work for what you want to do in college 689 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,160 and what you need to do in college on both. 690 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,760 And I'm I'm talking about both ends. 691 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,600 It's not just offense. No, no, the. 692 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,160 The defense, when you look at it, you know from a Ken Palm 693 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,480 perspective, it it's gotten worse every single year. 694 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,600 Like the adjusted defense nationally ranked. 695 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,000 In 2022, we were ranked 24th. In 2023, we were ranked 45th. 696 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,640 Last year we were ranked 84th. And you know this is something 697 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,680 Galen was doing on our pod throughout the NCLA tournament. 698 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,160 You look at teams that were making it to the Sweet 16, Elite 699 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,960 Eight, Final Four, they were all in the top 20 of Ken Palm and 700 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,200 either 1-2 or both of adjusted offense, adjusted defense. 701 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,720 They're just there is no world where our defense is ranked 84th 702 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,800 in the country and we're making it to a Final Four. 703 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,920 It would be such a statistical outlier and our offense. 704 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,160 Again, this goes back to the kind of The problem is our 705 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,440 offense would then have to be so effing elite to make it above, 706 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,440 and you have to be a like that's what the Pacers are. 707 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,680 Dealing with in. The NBA, yeah, you have to make 708 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,840 basically be so efficient that the other team turning it over 709 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,800 kind of becomes your defense. So and that's something that is 710 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,480 very concerning is that the defense has just gotten worse 711 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,440 every single year and defense is just effort and coaching. 712 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,440 You know, same thing with often I think I'm stealing your, 713 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,600 you've said this in one of the post games about how offensive 714 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,800 rebounding is just, you know, it's just effort and coaching 715 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,600 and they were getting just killed on those spots to 716 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,400 throughout the season And that that is another part that is 717 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,120 concerning. And again it goes back to I'm 718 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,600 going to go back to something you just said about you know, 719 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,600 this is not a Bash Woodson pod but we are. 720 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,080 I'm trying to rationally look at last year and I think this is 721 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,760 something that, you know, I'm always concerned about is kind 722 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:13,000 of the expectation creep or the slip of expectation that we hold 723 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,560 ourselves to a higher standard Indiana basketball or I hope we 724 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,160 do. And so I'm not trying to bash 725 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,440 anything but by the way, we went 4:00 and 12:00 or 4:00 and 10:00 726 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,440 last year in a 14 game span. We went 10 and 10. 727 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,680 We didn't make the tournament. We didn't make the NIT. 728 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,720 It's time to bash something. I mean, that was not a good 729 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,400 season. Like if I was listening to an 730 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,600 Ohio State football podcast and they didn't make a bowl game, I 731 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,560 wouldn't expect to hear them. Hey man, you know, six and six 732 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,200 isn't bad. You know, we're not like they 733 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,320 would. They don't beat Indiana by 20. 734 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,640 They go, they go apocalyptic like they lose 2 games. 735 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,960 And this is something as a guy who's getting into his mid 40s 736 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,200 who hasn't had a lot of success with IU basketball. 737 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,640 I get concerned when I see a season like last year and then 738 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,760 now it's like, all right, let's let's take a step back into your 739 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,960 point. Nobody gets fired. 740 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,600 There are no changes. They've had a great offseason 741 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,760 recruiting. That's fine. 742 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,920 But I get concerned once. Like, all right, let's let's 743 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,200 take a step back. It's not too bad. 744 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,320 So like, yes, last season was awful. 745 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,880 That'd be great. Everyone come back. 746 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,000 You can have a great year next year. 747 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,920 And guess what? That's that's sports. 748 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,360 I I don't know. I just, I think it's OK as fans 749 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,320 to to, I don't want to bash but like be very critical of what 750 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,000 happened last season because that that's year three of a 751 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,400 program you should be on your way to what you're going to be 752 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,320 and what we were last year was pretty bad all across the board. 753 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,199 Yeah, and I and I, you know, last year a lot of people said, 754 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,440 well, they lost a lottery pick at point guard. 755 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,159 They lost Trace Jackson Davis. You know that was a huge part of 756 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:40,960 your team. You lost a bunch of seniors and 757 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,360 you know Miller Cop and Ray Thompson. 758 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,000 I mean even just from a leadership perspective, that's 759 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,320 huge. To lose those guys, whatever you 760 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,639 think of them on the court there. 761 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,080 Last year, I think Miller Cop is incredibly underrated for what 762 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,760 he did to Indiana at the end of that year. 763 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,440 But you know you lost a bunch and and that was the thing as 764 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,679 well. They lost so much and they had 765 00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,000 to replace it all in the portal. Well, what are they doing this 766 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,480 year? They're doing the exact same 767 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,560 thing. So is that going to be the 768 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,120 excuse this year if they don't make this? 769 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,040 I I have said if they don't compete for a Big Ten title this 770 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,320 year with the amount of money that has been spent putting this 771 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,920 roster together and they're not done yet. 772 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,280 The amount of money and resources put into putting this 773 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,560 roster together and what you have coming back in Ibaka, 774 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,200 Renew, Galloway, Leal which also almost certainly cost you a 775 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,760 decent chunk of cash with the money they have put in. 776 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,080 If they don't compete for a Big Ten title and make it at least 777 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,680 to the second weekend of of the NCA tournament, you have to re 778 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,440 evaluate everything in the program because you can't 779 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,200 continually make the same excuse that well they had to build a 780 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,040 roster on the fly. It's like well a couple of these 781 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,600 guys are going to be gone after a year too, you know? 782 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,280 I mean it's. That thing I have no time for 783 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,960 that excuse because as we both said this is the way and and 784 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,200 Woodson's been successful at this, but this is the way that 785 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,120 he wants to build this team. He's chosen because he's not and 786 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,640 maybe it's because he's not doing other things. 787 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,040 He's not able to do the long recruitment as well. 788 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,280 But but like we are a team that hits the portal hard and 789 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,680 therefore you're going to basically be re evaluated 790 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,600 evaluating this every single year. 791 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,200 So to me it would be like that's not an excuse because after four 792 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,600 years this is the way that you're showing you want to 793 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,160 build. What? 794 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,440 You are at this point and so. And the other thing is, and I've 795 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,120 heard a lot, well you know CJ Gunn and Caleb Banks didn't 796 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,000 develop. They would have been great 797 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,880 rotation pieces. You've had to replace, you know 798 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,480 their spots on there. So it's like well you're in 799 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,960 charge of their development like if they're not developing that's 800 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:29,480 kind of on you. And I think that from an MBA 801 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,840 guy, coming from an MBA perspective, players do get 802 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,880 developed in the NBA, but it's incrementally, they go from 803 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,960 being good to great or decent to good. 804 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,960 You know, I mean it's it's and if they're not good, you just 805 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,520 replace them in the draft the next year. 806 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,760 And I think that development isn't as big a deal in the NBA 807 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,400 as it is in college. A lot of times you get fully 808 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,800 formed guys, whether it's in free agency or trades or 809 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,280 whatever. In college you have to get a 810 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,600 freshman and turn them into something. 811 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,200 It's not on them, it's on you to to a large point of it and and 812 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,400 players can get better on their own. 813 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,400 We all know Victor Oladipo would work out like 4 hours a day to 814 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,760 get better, but that was under the direction of the coaching 815 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,040 staff of of what to do and how to do it. 816 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,360 If you're not developing those players and then you have to go 817 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,680 replace them it's not you can't blame the players for not 818 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,880 getting better. I think that it's it's it's a 819 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,000 it's a dual thing. I think you can you can talk 820 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,240 about it both but you're half of the equation and so you are 821 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:28,040 having to replace waves of players that are not getting 822 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,200 better or that are leaving. And this is again you're right. 823 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,120 This is how he has chosen to do it. 824 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,480 He's been successful at finding the talent. 825 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,480 Talent has not been Indiana's issue. 826 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,560 I know people are starting to again sort of look back at last 827 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,080 season say, well they were missing so much time. 828 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,480 You had a 600. Talent last? 829 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,440 Year six year senior point guard. 830 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,280 You had a guy who's going to be a first round pick. 831 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,240 You had former five stars in Renew and in Baco. 832 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,640 You had a senior guy in Galloway. 833 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,960 You had a senior in Leo, You had a senior in Walker, like you've 834 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,760 had guys who had been there and done things. 835 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,240 Well, I think renew was a five star you had. 836 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:03,560 I mean I think Renew was a five star and I think that's one of 837 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,640 the first times in the last I'd have to go back and look. 838 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,440 But I was saying if not the most, we haven't had many years. 839 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,120 We've had three, five stars on our team in the last 20 years. 840 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,000 I mean go back even the good, even the good Tom Crean teams, 841 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,200 you know, old Depot was not a five star, Zeller was a five 842 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,960 star. I think Wofford might have been 843 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,600 right on the edge, but you know. Wofford was a four Yogi was a. 844 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:23,000 Four. Yeah. 845 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,640 And again, you know, just 'cause you're a five star doesn't mean 846 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,480 you're going to be awesome. I I, I present you Christian 847 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,240 Lander, and just 'cause you're a three star doesn't mean you're 848 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,280 going to be bad. All of that said, more five 849 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,000 stars. I'll take any day of the week 850 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:36,800 you had. You had three, five stars on 851 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,120 last year's roster and that is a I'm with you 100%. 852 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,040 Talent was not the issue and that's why you and I are both 853 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,280 kind of circling around the Woodson thing is I I can't look 854 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,680 at last year and blame blame him. 855 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,000 You look at the top four players you can say you know where gave 856 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,280 you everything I wanted beginning of the year that he 857 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,680 gets an A+ everything I wanted. I think he was used a little bit 858 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,480 ineffectively, but he gave me everything I wanted. 859 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,240 Renew came back and gave me more than I like he gave. 860 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,760 He had the leap from freshman to sophomore year. 861 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,360 He gave me everything I wanted. Imbacco started shaky and then 862 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,120 played well. Guess what that sounds like? 863 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,720 Sounds like a freshman. That's what freshman do. 864 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,400 So he and he looked really good at the end of the year. 865 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,720 And Trey Galloway, you know he regressed to the meet. 866 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,800 Maybe his last year was kind of the the ex he he wasn't worse 867 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,720 than he's ever been. He was just worse than he was 868 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:28,200 last year. So maybe that's not the great 869 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,320 one. All that said, it's like I I 870 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,760 can't look at last year and blame the talent OR the players 871 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,440 for what happened. No. 872 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,440 And and also let's be real, the coaching staff put that team 873 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,280 together. I mean you know it's it's they 874 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,520 have nobody to blame themselves in the Portal era. 875 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,080 If it was, if they think it was a talent deficiency, if they 876 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,440 think there were holes on the roster, it's well, you had a 877 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,360 chance to put it together. Now I know they didn't get all 878 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,520 the guys they wanted in the portal. 879 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,760 It seems like they're getting them all this year. 880 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,080 But you know they would have loved to have Dalton connect 881 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,000 last year, didn't get him. They would have loved to have a 882 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,280 couple other guys that they tried to get on campus and and 883 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,040 or try to get, you know to to come here and didn't Sometimes 884 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,400 you miss. But that's the danger of playing 885 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,360 with that strategy is. Somebody might offer double what 886 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,960 you're offering in NIL and because they only need one 887 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,800 player when you need 4, you know and and so they can put all 888 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,440 their and I, they're all their transfer portal resources into 889 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,600 one guy instead of having to spread it around. 890 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,040 And regardless of how big your bag is you can get beaten. 891 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,040 And so I yeah, I don't think talent was a problem. 892 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,560 I think the pieces on the court you just saw they didn't really 893 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,360 fit together very well and I think that they especially 894 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,480 didn't fit well in the system and so I would hope look I 895 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,040 again. The other thing I the other 896 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,960 thing I'll say about last year you you mentioned about the NBA 897 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,240 piece I saw this pop its head up last year and there's just This 898 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:48,840 is why there's not a lot of great examples of pure NBA 899 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,120 coaches having success in college is. 900 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,440 It's a terrible, terrible. It's it's not a great record and 901 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,800 as as somebody who's an NBA fan who has an NBA podcast in the 902 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,120 network right at Meridian, check it out. 903 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,000 It goes to a lot of NBA games. You know, you see I, I, Rick 904 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,760 Carlisle is a great coach and I will see games where he's like, 905 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,480 man, we lost. Like it's just whatever, like 906 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,680 I'm putting in. I'm going to play the Subs a 907 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,960 little bit longer and just like whatever, you know on on to 908 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,440 Cleveland as Belichick would say and you just you have 82 games 909 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,400 and you can do that and you can not piss games away. 910 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,160 But it's just like dude, that you play some back-to-back. 911 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,640 So it's like, hey man, just take a bunch of the reason. 912 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,000 If we hit him, maybe we win, maybe we don't. 913 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,040 You can't do that in college. And that's why college coaches 914 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,920 are frenetic. They're insane. 915 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,320 They're screaming. That's why you. 916 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,600 Hurley, anybody? Yeah, they're muscle men like 917 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,680 guys. Like, they're they're nuts. 918 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,080 And I looked to last year, you know, you have, you know, 919 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,200 January 3rd, from that point on, your kind of win, loss, win, 920 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,600 loss, a three-game losing streak. 921 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,680 You're home to Purdue, at Wisconsin, at Illinois. 922 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,440 Fine. Those are all tough games. 923 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,840 Win, loss, win, loss. You come home, you, you, you go 924 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:47,960 to Purdue. Fine, you lose that. 925 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,400 But you come home, You're now 14 and 11. 926 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,280 You're six and eight in the Big 10, and I'm not saying that they 927 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,960 went in to lose games, but like, you're home for Northwestern, 928 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,840 Nebraska, you're at Penn State. It's like this is, this is the, 929 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,160 this is the spot we've got to stop. 930 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,520 To get right to. Get right and like you've had a 931 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,760 couple games where you you got blown out at home. 932 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,920 At Penn State, you had the Nebraska blowout. 933 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,720 At Nebraska you've had a couple games where you kind of know 934 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:11,960 show. Look, you you have got to go 935 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,240 nuts and this is where, you know, dude Woodson is who he is. 936 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,480 But I have a hard time when they lose at home. 937 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,840 The the Northwestern, they lose at home, the Nebraska by 15. 938 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,240 What? You know, maybe it's just for 939 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:27,200 show, but it's like Woodson go nuts, man. 940 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,280 Kick something. Get to teed up like look like 941 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,480 look like this is as important as it is. 942 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,520 And sometimes I feel like there's that NBA vibe of like, 943 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,920 yeah, man, you know, just tough, tough one. 944 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,280 What are you going to do? They're hitting their shots. 945 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,480 Like, move it on. And I feel like that was the 946 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,880 point where that any shot they had at making the tournament was 947 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,920 lost right around that point. 100% and and also you know you 948 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,800 had a three-game stretch where it was #2 Purdue, #11 Wisconsin, 949 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,720 #10 in Illinois. You win one of those games, 950 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:54,360 maybe you revive the season, right. 951 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,640 They weren't really competitive in any of those games and I mean 952 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,880 they lost by 8 to Illinois. But it just it felt like 953 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,360 Illinois had a, you know, was holding them at arm's length the 954 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,400 entire game. But I, you know, I think that 955 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,840 there just isn't a sense of urgency sometimes. 956 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,000 I think it's kind of what you're getting AT and what's the number 957 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,880 one thing that Watson says is it got to get them over the hump or 958 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,320 I've got to you know they've we've got to be better. 959 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,640 I've got to get these guys better and it's you're when 960 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,160 you're saying that in February like when's it coming you know 961 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,040 and why hasn't happened earlier. And again sometimes teams are 962 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,560 just bad and maybe you know I just don't fit together and all 963 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,200 that. Maybe that's what last year was. 964 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,600 We've got a three-year example of just kind of not getting the 965 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,480 getting blown out at home, which should not happen. 966 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,000 I mean being uncompetitive at home and games, you know going 967 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,080 up and games you should be fired up for. 968 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,360 Like let's put it all on the line for this one, let's you 969 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,080 know we got, you know we got a road game next that we may not 970 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,520 win, let's go balls out for this one and win this one and you 971 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,720 just don't see it sometimes. And and I think you know I know 972 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:05,680 we look at the 20/22/23 season as as a success and and I'll and 973 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,040 I'll say that based on my preseason expectations it wasn't 974 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,800 a success. But you know knowing the the 975 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,040 stuff on the ground, losing your point guard all of that you can 976 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,960 say OK I I think they should have gotten the second weekend 977 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,760 of the tournament. They didn't they ran into a good 978 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,240 Miami team but they got blown off the floor by that Miami 979 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:24,600 team. And so was it really super 980 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,120 successful given what you had a lottery pick an all time great. 981 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,480 You know you lost 10 games or you lost eight games in the big 982 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,760 10. You finished twelve and eight 983 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,720 and you and that's with beating Purdue twice, you know, So you 984 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,920 know, outside of Purdue there were ten and eight in the Big 985 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,600 10. That's not great. 986 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,080 I mean, you beat the team that maybe you shouldn't beat twice 987 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,760 and then we're about 500 in the rest of the season. 988 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,920 So let's not forget that year, January 11th, they're sitting. 989 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,280 They lose at Penn State by 19. They're ten and six, but they're 990 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,800 one and four in the Big 10, having lost to Rutgers, Iowa, 991 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,640 Northwestern. Penn State weren't bad, but 992 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,800 weren't like that. That wasn't a murderer's row. 993 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,960 I remember at that point being really concerned about the 994 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,400 season going down the toilet. Now to their credit, they turned 995 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,520 it around. They did. 996 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,480 But but I'm with you. You know my, my thought on that 997 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,600 season, how it ended. You know if if this is where the 998 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,720 tournament is tough and in the end man, it's like, dude. 999 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,880 It's all match. Ups you you well you you make 1000 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,800 your like I don't have a lot of time for for excuses about 1001 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,160 tournament results because in the end you make your money in 1002 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,680 the tournament and it it does suck. 1003 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,040 I think Bruce Pearl said something like you know you you 1004 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,040 you coach for nine months to to basically have your entire 1005 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,640 season you know come down to one game which I mean it sucks but 1006 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,360 hey that's the career. If you don't like it go in the 1007 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,240 NBA go Mike go back to the NBA you got 7 game series to figure 1008 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,240 it out. But it's like that is kind of 1009 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:47,080 the that that is the what you signed up for like that is the 1010 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,120 career you're picked. That said like you're a you're a 1011 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,920 four seed you're a protected seed the match up was bad. 1012 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,600 I guess the problem that I have is, you know, in three years for 1013 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,640 Woodson, it's less his problem, it's just more overall. 1014 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,800 Like Indiana just never gives itself enough enough shots at 1015 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,800 the apple. Like you just you need more 1016 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,960 times to be the the higher protected seat. 1017 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,840 In one of those years, Miami isn't going to be there and 1018 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,320 you're going to get through. But I'm with you. 1019 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,880 It is tough when you get to that point. 1020 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,120 It's like, all right, here's where we need to have that one 1021 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,280 game we can win and you just get you get your doors blown off. 1022 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,080 But you know this is where you look at next year and you hope 1023 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,240 you can make some changes with the results. 1024 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,560 I think the point that you made that's that I want to end on I 1025 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,920 think it's interesting is and I've thought about this too you 1026 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,360 know the the resources that are being given out and and I don't 1027 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,440 I've heard rumors about like what ballow cost. 1028 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,680 And you know all I'll say is I know all of these guys aren't 1029 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,720 doing it because they love wearing candy stripes. 1030 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,360 There's money involved for all of this. 1031 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,440 So there's you're probably talking upwards of a couple of 1032 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,640 $1,000,000 that went out the door for the for this team to be 1033 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,360 put together. That's a lot of money and and 1034 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,560 it's not it's not IU money. It's not Big 10 network money. 1035 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,800 This is real people who are real supporters of IU giving real 1036 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,440 checks to probably want to see real results. 1037 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,720 And I I wonder from a sustainability point of view, 1038 00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:14,120 you know you and I can talk about expectations and who 1039 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,920 really cares, No offense to you but it's like I can bitch about 1040 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,160 oh we got to make final four. It's like whatever, I've been 1041 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,480 doing that for 20 years, nothing changed. 1042 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:21,880 People care when I talk to you that. 1043 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,960 They don't. You're at SI now. 1044 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,280 Yeah it's true you're you're big time understood. 1045 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,160 I've been doing 20 years knowing the IU hasn't changed. 1046 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,800 I I do wonder the expectation of someone who writes a check for 1047 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,560 $500,000 because I also think they're you're not getting 1048 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,680 10,000 people to write you know 10,010 thousand dollar checks. 1049 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,600 These are these are big people writing big money and at some 1050 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,360 point they're going to want to see some kind of results. 1051 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,000 So I I do really wonder how this lines up. 1052 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,640 Because, you know, if I wrote $1,000,000 check, I'm not going 1053 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,120 to care about. Well, hey man, we are protected. 1054 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,160 See, it's like, why am I not seeing IU the next weekend? 1055 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,120 Like, I don't care about matchups, I don't care about 1056 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,880 protected seeds. I want to go to a regional final 1057 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,920 with my private jet. Why am I not doing that? 1058 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,800 I gave you $1,000,000. Let's make it happen. 1059 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,840 Yeah I mean it's it's that's the question is, is will people 1060 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,400 finally get sick of the losing and and put their investment. 1061 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,000 You got Kurt Zignetti who's who's energizing the football 1062 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,320 program. You know people don't have 1063 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,480 unlimited money to spend on this stuff. 1064 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,280 If the football program starts doing well and and I, you know, 1065 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,520 I'm not expecting a Rose Bowl but if they, you know, there 1066 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,920 gets to be some energy there and the basketball program is kind 1067 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,400 of flat, some of that money you're getting in that big. 1068 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,920 Pool. So it's it's already it's 1069 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,240 already happening. As a Varsity club donor, I'm 1070 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,440 personal info but like I'm at the Hoosier 100 level as a 1071 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,440 donor, which gets us access to a room in the called like the 1072 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,680 nutrition center at the football games, which I like because we 1073 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,280 have young kids. So it's like sometimes it's hot, 1074 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,440 sometimes IU can't figure it out and so water the right way so we 1075 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,280 can go in there. We got free soda, free water. 1076 00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,800 It's been nice because we donated a certain level. 1077 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,240 We get to go in there. Just got an e-mail like 3 days 1078 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:05,320 ago that they are changing the rules, that we still have access 1079 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,000 to it, but now we have to pay for it and it's $500 a head per 1080 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,200 season for each ticket. I'm not saying what I'm doing 1081 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,400 and I'm not trying to talk about, you know, money or what I 1082 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,520 pay for. All I'm saying is that something 1083 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,720 that used to be, to exactly your point, something that used to be 1084 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:22,640 kind of free and it used to be actually at a different donation 1085 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,160 level, is now a new donation level and comes at a cost for 1086 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,160 football. Because I think they understand 1087 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,240 this is a value and now there's more interest in football and 1088 00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:34,160 now we can charge for it. And you are 100% right. 1089 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,280 There's a lot of people who can't, myself included, who 1090 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,520 can't donate to both at the exact same level, and you're 1091 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,840 going to start making some choices. 1092 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,400 Yeah. And and I think that's going to 1093 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,720 be an issue now, Kurt Cignetti falls on flat on his face. 1094 00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:49,320 I don't think that's a concern for a while. 1095 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,800 But if if he does, I mean he's, he's created a lot of energy 1096 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,440 around the program. Whether it translates into on 1097 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,000 field results, I'm not predicting that at all because I 1098 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,160 have been long used to Indiana football and the. 1099 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:02,880 Result. Different podcast, man. 1100 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,360 Different podcast but. But again, that is going to take 1101 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,080 away from it's not, it's not two separate pots. 1102 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:14,440 It's a big pot of people willing to donate and it gets divided 1103 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,680 up. But it's one big pie and just 1104 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,920 the size of the slices matter you know and they can change and 1105 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,840 so it will be interesting to see how that plays out and if. 1106 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,960 But I I do think I think that you know Mike Woodson I would 1107 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,320 say has one of the hottest seats in the country and and I don't 1108 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,560 mean internally I mean externally has one of the 1109 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,800 hottest seats in the country coming in not because the 1110 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,680 results have been so dramatically awful but because 1111 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,280 of the visibility at Indiana. It it that makes your seat hot. 1112 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,440 As soon as you don't you have a bad season. 1113 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,560 Your seat is hot That's the way it is in Indiana. 1114 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:50,000 If they with. And I I do think they've backed 1115 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,200 themselves into a corner a bit with how much money they've 1116 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,680 spent and the players they've got in the portal. 1117 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,240 While it's a good thing and I'm excited. 1118 00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:57,760 I'm excited to watch good basketball players man I I love 1119 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,200 Indiana. I want Indiana to win. 1120 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,520 I do think that the amount spent on this team and the resources 1121 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,760 put into getting them has made it so they have to win this 1122 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,440 year. If they don't, I think that 1123 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,240 we're going to be having a very different conversation in March. 1124 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,080 I look at like, my, my, I talk about all the time. 1125 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,040 My good friend on my my neighbor Robert. 1126 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,920 He's a Michigan State fan, you know, And Izzo has a track 1127 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,920 record of being a good coach. They had quite a roster last 1128 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,360 year of, you know, five star recruits and. 1129 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,320 Pre season they were the Big 10 title pick over Purdue who had 1130 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,960 won it the year before and brought everybody back. 1131 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,360 And all I can say again, this is one one point he's like, they're 1132 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,880 there's a lot of people in that fan base. 1133 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,040 Like we should just get rid of Izzo now. 1134 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,680 I mean, like because they had so much talent on that roster that 1135 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,400 they felt was being used incorrectly. 1136 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,520 And that's Izzo. That's that's Tom Izo. 1137 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,880 And Michigan native NATO, it's just sitting right there waiting 1138 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,120 for that job. So no I. 1139 00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,160 So to your point, I I agree. I think there's there's a lot of 1140 00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,280 pressure for next year because a lot, a lot has been. 1141 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,880 Invested. It's ramped up with getting 1142 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,080 these guys because it's not like, well, we got to do a full 1143 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,960 rebuild. You got to give us two years to 1144 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,800 figure this out. They have invested heavily, gone 1145 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,400 out and got the guys they needed. 1146 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,920 I mean, you got it. Luke Goody could probably start 1147 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,560 at a lot of places and he's probably going to be a bench 1148 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,720 shooter for you and great pickup. 1149 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:19,600 I'm really happy for it. I think it's exactly what they 1150 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,000 needed. I think the guys, they've gotten 1151 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,800 fit the buckets they need all of that stuff. 1152 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,480 I think the only thing left is is a backup rim protector. 1153 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,520 But you have kind of painted yourself into a corner where 1154 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,440 like if you don't win with these saying like we need to get these 1155 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,400 guys and we'll be good. Well, if you're not good, I 1156 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,080 think it's it's time for Indiana to have some serious 1157 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,400 conversations and probably. And looking at last year you 1158 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,000 know with what happened in the priest you know part of what 1159 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,240 sealed their fate was having basically no good showings in 1160 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:51,120 the in the non conference and this is something that you know 1161 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,000 that hey they went to Xavier and won in 23 so that was in 1162 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,280 2022-2023 season that was that was good. 1163 00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,720 But for the most part you know we we've what Woodson has done 1164 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,360 in a very positive way is he's raised the profile of our non 1165 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,480 conference games. You know, we're playing 1166 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,560 Connecticut, we're playing Auburn, we're playing Kansas. 1167 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,520 The trouble is we're getting not only beat, we're getting blown 1168 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,360 out in the majority of those games. 1169 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,760 And so to your point, I also think that needs to change it. 1170 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,200 But all of this is kind of tied in where I I think unlike last 1171 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,960 year where I was similar to you saying I, I think this team is 1172 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,160 going to be a lot better in in March than it is in November. 1173 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,440 I just didn't realize it'd be like March 28th, you know, like 1174 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,120 that that wrong date. But like, you know, so far at 1175 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,000 the end of the year, I, I do think next year going into it, 1176 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,320 some of those early season games that you'll be Atlantis games, 1177 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,120 like you got to start winning some of those now, like I think 1178 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,920 if they come out and they have a hard time competing at the top 1179 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,880 level with whoever they're playing in Atlantis. 1180 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,720 If it looks like the Connecticut game did last year in New York, 1181 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,360 I'm going to be really concerned early on because I'm, I'm not 1182 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,120 ready for another. Hey man, well, it's going to 1183 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,280 take some time to put this together. 1184 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,960 You've kind of lost the luxury of time and you've lost the 1185 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,040 luxury in those early games of being like, hey man, we're just 1186 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,960 happy to be like we're kind of done being in the, happy to be 1187 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,400 there in Atlanta's point of view. 1188 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,360 Like now you got to start winning some of those games. 1189 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,120 I went back and watched that UConn game again because I 1190 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:15,760 remember it was close for a long time and that was the worst game 1191 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,600 I saw UConn play. One of the two worst games I saw 1192 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,520 UConn play all year, and they won by 20. 1193 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,240 Do you think it was based based on anything we did or just 1194 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,440 being? No, I think that well, I think 1195 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,360 that they were still figuring themselves out as well. 1196 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,560 That backcourt was kind of figured you know with with 1197 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,160 Spencer coming in they were kind of figuring themselves out and 1198 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,280 and the, you know some guys with new roles, I mean you got to 1199 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,640 remember they lost three of their top four players to the 1200 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,880 NBA who came back and repeated a title. 1201 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,080 No, I and I think that you know early season November teams are 1202 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,880 still trying to figure themselves out and don't know 1203 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,680 who fits where. Newton was fantastic in that 1204 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,680 game, but really there was a lot of, and Indiana and Indiana's 1205 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,600 credit, they they were, you know, a newborn deer as well, 1206 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,400 you know, and and and so it wasn't. 1207 00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,720 This isn't meant to like knock Indiana specifically, but Yukon 1208 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:04,640 for about 3/4 of that game, 2/3 of that game played awful 1209 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,000 basketball. Indiana also obliged by doing 1210 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,600 the same thing. And then Yukon sort of got it 1211 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,960 together in that last 10 minutes and just destroyed Indiana. 1212 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:16,440 But, you know, I think that you have to figure out a way to be 1213 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,640 good early. You have to because that's your 1214 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,040 opportunity to snag some wins that will carry. 1215 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,400 You know, I mean that's the thing about winning early. 1216 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,920 Those wins stick with you. They're as valuable as the ones 1217 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,280 at the end of the season. And you it's like, it's like in 1218 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,920 baseball. I tell everybody, hey, wins in 1219 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,640 April count the same as wins in September. 1220 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,800 They're not as important as wins in October, but you know, they 1221 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,920 count the same. So you know, you say like, well, 1222 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,720 we'll get it together. Well, you're let's go, let's, 1223 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,160 let's figure this out because it hurts you. 1224 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,640 In Atlantis, they're going to face some good opponents, almost 1225 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,040 certainly. And they need to. 1226 00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:49,680 They need to make some hay early. 1227 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,200 So I'll I'll end with this. I I think I've come to my my 1228 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,720 conclusion of how I put last season. 1229 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:56,400 I I feel like last season was a season where they missed an 1230 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,880 opportunity to to give themselves more future outs. 1231 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,720 Like last year had you just won a couple more games maybe get 1232 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:07,240 yourself into the NIT and and go to the NIT finals or something 1233 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:09,800 beat Indiana State and looks good or you somehow squeak into 1234 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,280 the the tournament. I think it would have relieved 1235 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,040 some of the pressure and some of the things we're talking about 1236 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,600 for next season if you somehow beat Kansas at home it's like 1237 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,160 all right well you know we we we started a show we can start 1238 00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,360 winning some of those games that you you kind of pissed away a 1239 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:27,320 lot of your outs for this coming season at least in my mind 1240 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,720 because you didn't really do anything last year. 1241 00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:32,800 Of note there really isn't a signature win. 1242 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,920 There's not a signature, you know, big, big scalp you got, 1243 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,920 you didn't go to any of the postseason tournaments and I 1244 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,040 think that, you know, hearing you talk about, you know, the 1245 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,240 outs, there's no outs for next year. 1246 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,840 I think that's how I look at last year is you you kind of 1247 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,280 didn't, you didn't convert on anything and so now there really 1248 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,360 aren't any outs for next season in Woodson's fourth year. 1249 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,440 Yeah, as a team, I feel like it was a wasted season. 1250 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,960 And and and you know, individually some guys did some 1251 00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:57,840 things like. Exactly, Yeah. 1252 00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,480 Yeah. Yeah, Khalil Weir made himself 1253 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,560 an NBA first round pick. Like all that stuff. 1254 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,480 But as a team it was it was a wasted season. 1255 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,480 There's really nothing to hang your hat on that late winning 1256 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,040 streak, I guess. But again, when you know 10,000 1257 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,960 foot view, those teams were all struggling at that point you 1258 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:18,000 know, and and so I agree, I I just think that it's sad because 1259 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,240 you came off a season where it was very celebratory of TJD and 1260 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,320 all of that stuff. You finished, you know near the 1261 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,840 top of the Big 10, went to the tournament with a protected 1262 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:28,960 seat. Yeah, you lost. 1263 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,240 But you could say like hey we're building something and then you 1264 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,320 just take a massive step back and now people are thinking, 1265 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,880 well what is this program even? Was it just Trace Jackson Davis 1266 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,560 or can you do it without him? And again I'm hopeful that that 1267 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,760 this is the turn around season that last year woke some people 1268 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,800 up. They realize, no, we need to do 1269 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,560 XYZ whatever, but we won't know that until they're on the floor 1270 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,040 in October and November and so cautiously. 1271 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,680 I'm I'm thrilled with the additions. 1272 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,640 I, I I'm an IU fan, man. I want to watch talented players 1273 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,360 play. I want to watch talented players 1274 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,000 play. I'm excited for the guys they've 1275 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,560 got. I mean, if nothing else, I'll 1276 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,560 get to watch good players play. Even if they're losing. 1277 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,840 I I get to watch them play. But at the same time, like they 1278 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,960 need to figure out a way to deploy those guys properly. 1279 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,280 And if they don't, I think everybody are going to be asking 1280 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,840 hard questions in February and March. 1281 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,920 Yeah, I mean the the the good thing to take away from this 1282 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,200 offseason is IU seems to have their, they understand how this 1283 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,840 nil game works and they seem to have everything locked up and 1284 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,880 there they have it figured out and that's a good thing. 1285 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,960 I mean, the rules are going to be constantly changing, so who 1286 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:33,840 knows? But it does. 1287 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,280 It does feel like if you looked at like, who's got, who's got 1288 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,720 this figured out in basketball, it looks like Indiana, you'd 1289 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,440 have to put them in the top five because back-to-back seasons, 1290 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,880 they have really done phenomenally well in the Portal. 1291 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,560 I would agree 100% and that's and that's encouraging. 1292 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,840 It certainly is. And also it's clear that even 1293 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,360 with the money, the brand travels like guys are coming to 1294 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,560 Indiana and and because there's a lot of money being thrown at 1295 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,400 people, maybe Indiana is outstripping them financially, 1296 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,760 but they're still coming to Indiana and and so that still 1297 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,320 exists and that's that's a positive. 1298 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,200 All right. Ryan, any final thoughts? 1299 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,160 I mean, I think we said just given the it's the two of us, I 1300 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,600 think we said way too much honestly. 1301 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,280 You got any football thoughts? We we we hinted around it. 1302 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,360 What? What are your feeling for IU 1303 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,080 football this fall? You know, I I've got to dig into 1304 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:22,840 it this summer. Just you know what the roster's 1305 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,720 going to look like. But I I love Signetti's attitude 1306 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,840 and anybody who's ever listened to me can understand why I like 1307 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,440 his attitude. But and and I think that it's 1308 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,960 the vibe Indiana needs. Just kind of an effort. 1309 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,160 You know, let's go out and just, you know, why? 1310 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,760 Why not us Kind of attitude, which I think is is necessary in 1311 00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,000 Indiana. The program like Indiana the the 1312 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,240 place it's in in the national landscape. 1313 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,600 You need someone with, I said when they were hiring somebody, 1314 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,480 I said you either need to catch somebody on the way up, like, 1315 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,440 you know, a young guy on the way up and hope that you're his stop 1316 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,000 for like 7 years before he goes and takes the Alabama job, or 1317 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,160 you're one of those and and you hope that, you know, we have 1318 00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,360 that. Guy as a coordinator for a year, 1319 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:00,560 but yeah. You did. 1320 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,360 Absolutely. And what happened to him, by the 1321 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,400 way, I don't know. So, but. 1322 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,120 But. I would say that you need that. 1323 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,400 Or you need a guy who's a little nuts, who thinks he can turn it 1324 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,960 around Indiana because it's a very tough place to win football 1325 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,320 games and it's a very tough environment to win football 1326 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:17,760 games. And given your opponent, your 1327 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,200 consistent opponents, it's really tough to win football 1328 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,880 games. You need somebody who's a little 1329 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,560 nuts and I think Chris Signetti, in the best possible way, is a 1330 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:30,040 little nuts and I love it. I loved it at the at Assembly 1331 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,480 Hall when he had the you know, Purdue sucks like Michigan 1332 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:33,680 sucks. Ohio State sucks too. 1333 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,400 And like it was funny the the amount. 1334 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,000 I was going to like, oh, Kurt, shut up. 1335 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,000 And I love, I love it. And the the amount of people who 1336 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,480 are like, man, really, you're going to start talking smack? 1337 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,200 It's like, what do you want us to say? 1338 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,560 Like hey. What do you have to lose? 1339 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,600 What do you have to lose? So we lose to Michigan by 27 1340 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,080 instead of 34. Yeah, you're. 1341 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,160 Worried you're going to get blown out by Ohio State? 1342 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,400 Come on, we've been doing that. We were born getting blown out 1343 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:55,400 from Ohio State. That's. 1344 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,320 Where we live, yeah, they're going to do it anyway. 1345 01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:58,320 Now there's. Yeah. 1346 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,960 So it's, it's great. Well, Ryan, Congrats again on 1347 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,520 the SI job. This was awesome and I look 1348 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,320 forward to it probably be next year at this time. 1349 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,640 Hopefully we're talking about a nice March run. 1350 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,400 We're like, man, let's talk about what's it like to put that 1351 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,520 into context, whatever we finished with so. 1352 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,000 All right buddy, Thanks for having. 1353 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:14,480 Me. All right, man. 1354 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,640 And everybody for listening. 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