1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,600 You're listening to the back home network, presented by home 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:24,600 field apparel. Scott here with you. 3 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,600 This is a first we're going to do double intros of already 4 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,900 recorded the intro to this. I'm going to use part of it. 5 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:33,000 So you're going to hear a another welcome back to Crimson 6 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,100 cast. Folks was recording this Friday 7 00:00:36,100 --> 00:00:40,000 afternoon with Thomas from BT Powerhouse and up here in 8 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,500 Westfield, we're getting just killer rain and wind and right 9 00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:47,800 in the middle of the interview, my internet went out which makes 10 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,100 it increasingly tough to do a zoom so that cut off in the 11 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:53,600 middle. We had About 30 minutes in maybe 12 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,300 20 minutes in so Thomas and I hop back on the zoom on my cell 13 00:00:58,300 --> 00:01:01,400 phone. Got about another 25 minutes in 14 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,700 and then myself service got real real choppy because of the wind 15 00:01:06,700 --> 00:01:09,200 misumi or just whether or just, I don't know. 16 00:01:09,300 --> 00:01:13,000 But anyway, we got about 40 minutes at the cut this into 17 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,600 different sections and then it kind of just ends because my 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,400 phone drops off. And at that point, I went down 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,100 to figure out my router and just for those who are curious, Have 20 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:27,100 a nor B 3 unit satellite system which which normally just kicks 21 00:01:27,100 --> 00:01:31,600 but with Wi-Fi, but when it restarts, unfortunately have to 22 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,400 unplug both the satellites and then plug them back in before 23 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,900 the main router gets going, it's a weird setup. 24 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,100 I'm not sure why it can't just restart normally, but for 25 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:42,700 whatever reason, it restarted, after the internet, got back up 26 00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:47,000 and then like wouldn't work. But if I change my SSID, it 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,700 would it was very bizarre. And then I found out there is a 28 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:51,400 firmware update on the main router. 29 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,900 I did that That. And that was basically my Friday 30 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:55,200 afternoon. And then next thing, you know, 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,400 the kids are home from school at 4:00 and I wasted an entire day 32 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,000 not podcasting, but just putzing around on my router and turning 33 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,300 it on and off and restarting. And so good times, I'm sure 34 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:09,000 nobody cares about this or wants to hear about it. 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,000 This is like listening to someone else's fantasy football 36 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,000 team, but it's what I did on Friday, and it was very 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,300 frustrating. That's why I'm kind of together 38 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:17,900 on Saturday. And so, all that said, I 39 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:20,400 sincerely apologize. This is was turning out to be a 40 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,900 fun podcast, and then it I got cut in the middle. 41 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,300 It just ends abruptly. I'll do a little PostScript here 42 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:29,000 at the end with them. Some thoughts going into Sunday. 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,400 I'm recording this on Saturday afternoon. 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,500 But yeah, sorry. We the podcast is kind of janky 45 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:39,900 but I will put out there what we have and enjoy the conversation 46 00:02:39,900 --> 00:02:42,600 with Thomas from be keep our house. 47 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,000 Hi folks, welcome back to Crimson kescott here with you 48 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,600 really keep it rolling. Go a little bit, higher level, 49 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,800 take a step back and look at the Big Ten as a whole. 50 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:56,700 All as we have Thomas from Big Ten Powerhouse part of SB Nation 51 00:02:56,700 --> 00:03:00,300 you can find the BT Powerhouse.com for gets Thomas 52 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:04,800 as always go check out home field apparel home field 53 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,900 apparel.com your best place for any college athletic gear they 54 00:03:09,900 --> 00:03:11,400 have I mean I'm going to their site. 55 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,700 Now they have a great. It's so tough because so much of 56 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:16,400 its Big Ten and it's like, it's all great-looking stuff. 57 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,700 Have a great Illinois. Sweatshirt, I can't buy it looks 58 00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:20,700 great script. I mean, I definitely can't buy 59 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:23,400 the Purdue jacket. 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Well, how are you? 83 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,600 I'm good at. You ready to talk about what the 84 00:04:29,700 --> 00:04:32,700 17th tiebreak is. For the five six seed in the Big 85 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:36,900 Ten tournament, it's insane? Yeah, I mean, there's always, 86 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:40,000 usually, a few spots that are crazy, you know, for the Big Ten 87 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,700 Tournament seedings, I've never seen it like this, where it's 88 00:04:44,700 --> 00:04:47,300 like, 2 through 10. I mean, that's crazy. 89 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:51,800 I know, Michigan went from being second in the Big Ten, like, two 90 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,900 days ago, and they lost last night to Illinois and there. 91 00:04:53,900 --> 00:04:58,200 Now, you know, 10th and could be 11th, may be in the tournament 92 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,200 depending on how things go. Oh, yeah, absolutely. 93 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,600 I mean, I was yeah, trying to break down some, you know, 94 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:12,800 couple days ago, I'm like who like, who is of anyone in 95 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,000 Minnesota? That was about it. 96 00:05:18,300 --> 00:05:21,600 And it's funny because you have you have teams like Indiana 97 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,700 where they kind of had the two seed pretty well in their grasp 98 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:28,100 and they were put a little distance between them in that 99 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:31,600 pack and then they lose the Iowa, just it all like no team 100 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,300 has been able to pull away one way or the other. 101 00:05:34,300 --> 00:05:38,600 Like you said, except for Purdue or Minnesota, but even even up 102 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,100 until their win last night against Wisconsin, like there 103 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:46,900 was an outside chance that having going into this week 104 00:05:46,900 --> 00:05:50,000 sorry I'll rephrase Looks like there is a weird scenario where 105 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,000 like Indiana could have won a Big Ten title of Purdue lost 106 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,900 out, and Indiana, one out, and a couple other things happen. 107 00:05:55,900 --> 00:05:59,500 Like, it's wild that you were at that scenario, even as much as 108 00:05:59,500 --> 00:06:01,300 two days ago. Now obviously pretty one Indiana 109 00:06:01,300 --> 00:06:04,700 lost its off the table, but it's wild that for like 48 Hours, you 110 00:06:04,700 --> 00:06:09,500 were to spot where that was actually possible, 100 100 111 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:13,000 percent and to me the, the craziest one of it all was 112 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,500 Michigan. As you've mentioned was second 113 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:18,400 second place, you know, before last night's loss Lost and 114 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,300 they're still projected outside the tournament. 115 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:24,300 So they were in a position where they could have won the Big Ten 116 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:27,600 and still been in this bubble outside. 117 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,500 The field scenario which is, I can't remember a time like that 118 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:36,200 for having a title, Big Ten title on the line and still out 119 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,800 of the tone of. Yeah, I mean well it helps to 120 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,500 win some big games, it helps to win some games. 121 00:06:41,500 --> 00:06:44,800 I'm not, I'm not sure they could have, don't think they could 122 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,200 have won the Big Ten but they could probably finish. 123 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:47,700 Second. Yeah. 124 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:58,300 I think they were and I think they were still alive. 125 00:07:21,300 --> 00:07:24,600 And talk about some of the teams, you know, as we look at 126 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,900 Purdue and again, Indiana podcast. 127 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:29,400 So feel free to talk all the smack. 128 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,700 You want about Purdue? It is funny, they've had a great 129 00:07:32,700 --> 00:07:35,000 run. One of my really good friends 130 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Danny, you know, last year in my When you know Saint Peter's beat 131 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,800 sorry my phones ring in and it's like every device in my house 132 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,100 goes off last year when st. Peter's beat Kentucky. 133 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:53,000 I'm like, texting him like well that's it like Purdue, you know, 134 00:07:53,008 --> 00:07:54,600 my worst nightmares going to happen. 135 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,600 Like Purdue's making the final four and he just texts me. 136 00:07:56,608 --> 00:07:58,900 He's like who's our coach? And like with Matt Painter is it 137 00:07:58,900 --> 00:07:59,700 could be. All right. 138 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,200 Like that's been a joke at that running for years and it does 139 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,100 he's done a great job, he's a great coach. 140 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:10,500 I would take the last 20 years that they Add. 141 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:15,300 But, you know, I want to long long way to ask this question. 142 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,100 You know, do you think this is just a Purdue team that is 143 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:22,700 falling apart down. The stretch, have teams figured 144 00:08:22,700 --> 00:08:25,800 out Edie is this just, you know, there's another way you could 145 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,300 look at it. Where Purdue really feasted on 146 00:08:28,308 --> 00:08:30,700 the bottom of the Big Ten. And now they're playing some of 147 00:08:30,700 --> 00:08:35,100 the top teams, like, how do you view Purdue going into this 148 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:38,000 final, stretch of the Big Ten and you know the NCAA 149 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,100 tournament. Yeah. 150 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:44,500 Can I take all of the above? Yeah. 151 00:08:45,500 --> 00:09:01,400 I think this one spot in the rankings and 152 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,200 never really felt, you know, this is the best team in the 153 00:09:04,208 --> 00:09:06,800 country. This is this Unstoppable Force. 154 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,200 Anything like that because of the some of the things As you 155 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:14,500 pointed out, which is they feasted on primarily the bottom 156 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:17,000 of the Big Ten. Now they have some some great 157 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,000 ones, of course, but their schedule was back. 158 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,600 Then I don't think there's any doubt about that as far as the 159 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,800 Big Ten is concerned and then the other thing that I really 160 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,100 think shapes the perception of Purdue what we're all those 161 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:35,800 great non-conference means that they had early on except it 162 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 turned out that a lot of their non-conference ones were over 163 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,500 teams. We'll probably a little 164 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:44,700 overrated coming into the season and if you look back now, it's 165 00:09:44,700 --> 00:09:50,300 like, you know, they beat these big names but those are not the 166 00:09:50,300 --> 00:09:52,400 teams aren't quite as good as maybe. 167 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,500 We're the programs that they be and in years past which is 168 00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:59,800 overdue gets credit, they beat them, they knocked off the 169 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,000 winds. Somebody somebody had to be 170 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,400 ranked number one, but they didn't look like this 171 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,500 overwhelming Force. It to me. 172 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,500 And it has so many of these things to you look, they could 173 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:15,400 have lost at Michigan State easily. 174 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,900 They could have lost that Michigan, very easily, Ohio 175 00:10:19,900 --> 00:10:23,300 State, you know, before the Buckeyes went off the rails. 176 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,000 They easily could have lost that game. 177 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,800 So they had some fortunate bounces to build into this 178 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:31,500 incredible ranking with all that said. 179 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:33,000 They're still a really good team. 180 00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:36,300 If you told me they made the final four, I wouldn't, you 181 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:40,200 know, be shocked by any stretch. Like yeah. 182 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,100 It's as we sit here today without seeing the bracket. 183 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:45,800 I'm a little skeptical that they're actually going to have 184 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,400 the goods to put it all together in much. 185 00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:52,200 Yeah, it's, you know, something I've been saying for a while but 186 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,600 you know I think once you get into the tournament he's going 187 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,300 to be you know officiate a little bit differently and I 188 00:10:58,300 --> 00:11:01,900 think back to like last year I'm sitting with my dad who's 189 00:11:01,900 --> 00:11:04,000 obviously a lot he's older than me. 190 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,300 He's also a lot older just to use. 191 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:09,700 You have me later in life and so he just has A different view of 192 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:11,900 basketball hoop. This is like, / for the form of 193 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:13,600 forward is talking. He's just like, yeah, we just 194 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,000 need Indiana. These more big, guys, you know, 195 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,800 I like, I like em big guys in the tournament, like, who he's 196 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,300 like, you know, like e.t. Orchard homegrown. 197 00:11:20,300 --> 00:11:23,000 And I'm like, those guys were all out like, no, those guys 198 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,300 right there. Like, like big guys, don't lead 199 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:27,500 teams to the final four anymore. Just doesn't happen. 200 00:11:27,700 --> 00:11:31,900 And he's like, yeah, but I still like a big one and I do, I do 201 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:35,700 worry about that and we'll kind of put a pin in that because, 202 00:11:35,700 --> 00:11:37,400 you know, Indiana might have that same issue. 203 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,200 I think we're a little bit. Protected with that with Jayla 204 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,900 Jaffe know. But yeah, it's it's interesting 205 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:46,700 with Purdue. I also do I could see the flip 206 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:50,100 side where, you know, the Freshman guards. 207 00:11:50,300 --> 00:11:52,700 You know, they're no longer be playing and road games. 208 00:11:52,700 --> 00:11:56,700 It's all neutral site games. And then, you know, you have a 209 00:11:56,708 --> 00:12:01,400 situation where, you know, teams in the Big Ten have gotten used 210 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,700 to seeing Ed and a weird way. They know how to play against a 211 00:12:04,708 --> 00:12:08,800 Purdue team with a 77 foot plus guy there when you have Harms. 212 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:12,700 Haha, so you've had eight years of Purdue having this dude, when 213 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:15,800 you playing in the tournament, like, how do you, how do you 214 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,300 scheme for a dude? Like this when you have a day 215 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:19,900 and a half to prepare and it's like, you've never seen somebody 216 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:22,100 like e.t., because I mean, I've seen him in person twice. 217 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:26,300 And it is, he's enormous like, just in persons like, you know, 218 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:28,700 he's a, can I get something for 200-plus pounds, but when you 219 00:12:28,708 --> 00:12:34,300 see it in person, you like my God, that guy is huge, it is 220 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:38,300 wild and I do think you bring up a good point which is assuming 221 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:40,300 they get away. Scene which I don't think is 222 00:12:40,300 --> 00:12:42,300 completely established at this point. 223 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:45,600 You know, there's a scenario where maybe they lose their game 224 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,800 over the weekend. It was next week but assuming 225 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,400 they're a one seed okay. They're going to get a 16. 226 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:54,500 There's no way they're going to have somebody who can match up 227 00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:58,400 against a team like that is not going to be. 228 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,100 And then you get into this the 89 situation which I think is a 229 00:13:04,108 --> 00:13:08,000 great point which is they could easily get to the Sweet 16 of 230 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,400 the Elite 8. For the Eva team that even just 231 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,800 has the bodies to bang with him, which, which is great news. 232 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,100 It's a boilermaker. Yeah. 233 00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:22,500 I am curious though because they are going to run into a team 234 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,900 that is going to make him uncomfortable, that's going to 235 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:27,600 have a big amount to the permit on there. 236 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:39,300 He is not great, you know, today was obviously in some ways - 237 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,200 yeah, he can play Down Low, you know, to win four, five, 238 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,800 tournament games, maybe even six for the big one there. 239 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,300 They're gonna have to overcome a small ball team or somebody who 240 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:55,600 can do that. So that's going to be 241 00:13:55,608 --> 00:13:59,500 interesting for Ed hasn't well for Purdue when they've had to 242 00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:02,400 face that. Yeah, hopefully you here. 243 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,100 So you mind, I'm a little, I'm a little skeptical. 244 00:14:06,100 --> 00:14:08,800 But I do agree that at least the first couple rounds. 245 00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:11,200 Sounds. It's hard to see. 246 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,400 No I haven't looked at the projections on who are the eight 247 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:19,300 nine right now once in a while you know you get I think Memphis 248 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:22,400 felt like an eight or nine last year with all those account to 249 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,800 guys maybe somebody like that falls but I don't like Michigan 250 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,500 State's. I've seen in the Big Ten that's 251 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:34,600 been projected around there and the Spartans didn't want over 252 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,000 and all that successful against Purdue so should be interesting. 253 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,700 Yeah. Team on the 8 line is Arkansas. 254 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:42,200 And I'd be a little worried about that. 255 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,200 Just a team that can kind of run up and down. 256 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,000 And get hoppy, you mentioned. Trace Jackson, Davis play 257 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,800 against EDI. So it's time to ask the 258 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,500 question, who you're more impartial. 259 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:54,100 You look at the Big Ten from a legal perspective, I will just 260 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:57,200 say this before I lead you into the question of, who do you see 261 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,200 as Big Ten Player of the Year? You know, it you can definitely 262 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,400 that game cup. You know, last week in West 263 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,900 Lafayette where Indiana beat Purdue you know it's you can 264 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:10,700 definitely see the bye. Bias from both fan bases because 265 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,200 I spend a little bit of time, reading some Purdue comments, 266 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,600 just enjoying the, you know schadenfreude. 267 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,400 But, you know, their thought was all right, we lost, but who 268 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,200 cares though? This this shows that ETS Player 269 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,100 of the Year, you know, he has 26 points in that game, you know, 270 00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:27,000 ten 448 from 17, from the field 10 for 14 from the line, 271 00:15:27,300 --> 00:15:30,600 whatever you'll 16 plus rebounds, he's Player of the 272 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,100 Year and Jackson Davis who didn't score in the first half 273 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:36,200 and yet, as an Indiana fan, it's like, I see that. 274 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,500 I do understand that argument, but I look at what Jackson 275 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:40,000 Davis. Is like he's not having a great 276 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,400 game but he still had, you know, 10 points. 8 rebounds, and 277 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,400 where's the seven assists? It's a he damn near had a 278 00:15:47,408 --> 00:15:49,900 triple-double. Like he had a pretty good game 279 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:51,300 and he realized he didn't have him. 280 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:53,300 He was able to engage other teammates. 281 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:55,100 And I look at that, I'm kind of like e.t. 282 00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:58,300 Can't do that. Like, if he's not scoring, he 283 00:15:58,300 --> 00:16:01,500 can't pull out and have seven, eight, nine, assists, and have a 284 00:16:01,508 --> 00:16:03,500 triple-double. And so, in a weird way, it's 285 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:06,500 like that almost shows. Again, I think what Jackson 286 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:11,000 Davis is doing is is Order, although I do agree Edie has 287 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,900 skills not just that he's big but again both sides were 288 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:16,400 biased. So from your point objective, 289 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:19,700 looking at the Big Ten, how do you see player of the year? 290 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,400 Yeah, I mean, I will say after the first couple of months, I 291 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,400 expected it was going to be a runaway, slam dunk, easy, easy 292 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:36,700 choice and it's no longer that for me. 293 00:16:36,700 --> 00:16:48,500 I think I would What, the first ten games of 10 players, so, and 294 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,900 continues to put up great numbers, you know, night in and 295 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:56,000 night out, that's a Davis. I think has been better here 296 00:16:56,300 --> 00:16:59,900 towards the end in ed. You know, you highlighted that 297 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,000 the big matchup with Purdue where. 298 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,099 Yeah, it's 26 points is nice but as you point out your name is is 299 00:17:07,099 --> 00:17:09,900 a big part of it. But City of Jackson Davis is 300 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:14,700 game is really impressive. The way he wrote he has run the 301 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,900 port. This year is just wild. 302 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,599 It's for me, I think that's really something that has 303 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:25,700 expanded in his game, but as of now, I think I would take E.T 304 00:17:25,700 --> 00:17:29,500 just because he has such a head start and so much successful 305 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:31,700 really that. I think he will still eat, get 306 00:17:31,700 --> 00:17:37,600 out at the finish line, but both clearly just tremendous seasons. 307 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,300 And, you know, Maybe we'll get a third game between the two here. 308 00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:44,500 Next weekend, it's happened three times. 309 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:49,100 Two times, an IU player has been involved with a 2000, AJ, Guyton 310 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:51,900 a Morse Peterson and then 89, J, Edwards. 311 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:55,100 And Glen Rice. Do you see any world where the 312 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:57,700 Big Ten goes for co-players the year? 313 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,800 I mean it's possible. Yeah, I don't remember if we had 314 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,800 a ton of discussion about that in recent years, you know, 315 00:18:08,808 --> 00:18:16,000 obviously I would imagine it's going to be especially because a 316 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 lot of people I think I probably have it already checked off in 317 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:25,600 the rain. I'm a couple weeks ago but That 318 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,600 wasn't being insane, insane selection, at least of - I 319 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,300 agree. It's it also doesn't, I mean, 320 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:33,100 this is where for a variety of reasons. 321 00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:35,900 We already talked about it at nauseam, on this podcast, like 322 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:40,400 that loss for us at Iowa, or sorry, the loss for us at home 323 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,800 to Iowa just and Trace didn't actually have that bad of a 324 00:18:43,808 --> 00:18:44,900 game. He was probably the only one who 325 00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:48,900 had really good as statistical game but that just getting boat 326 00:18:48,900 --> 00:18:52,000 race at home. I think that's just not going to 327 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,900 help. Like if for Tracy, probably need 328 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:56,400 to finish. Fish on kind of the Herculean 329 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,600 numbers he was putting up and that that was probably it not 330 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,300 only cost Indiana, the two seated probably cost trace the 331 00:19:02,300 --> 00:19:04,700 ability of even having a CO player of the year. 332 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,000 Yeah, I tend to agree. That was, that was just a real 333 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,100 stinker. Yeah. 334 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:16,500 Howdy, how do you see that? How do you see that game in the 335 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:20,100 context of Indiana this year? Because we talked on it with my 336 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:23,400 podcast partner Galen on our last podcast. 337 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:25,600 And that's a totally real, you know, for the listeners, totally 338 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,200 redo this. But there's a couple ways to 339 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:28,500 look at it. One is just like, you know, 340 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:33,300 everyone has stinkers, it's bad game and so you know what you're 341 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:36,800 going to do, but I will pull up You really quickly. 342 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:41,000 I know great podcasting here. Pull up my notes from that 343 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,700 pocket said it with gaalan, but the other way to look at it, too 344 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:46,700 is, you know, when you look at Indiana's losses, this year, you 345 00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:48,700 know, they lost her at Rutgers by 15. 346 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:53,600 They lost neutral site, Arizona, by 14 at Kansas 22 at Penn State 347 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,300 19, Maryland 11 at Michigan State 15 home to Iowa 22. 348 00:19:57,300 --> 00:19:59,200 Like there's a lot of double digit losses there. 349 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,300 There's another world where you look at it. 350 00:20:00,308 --> 00:20:03,900 It's like this team basically gets blown out every five or six 351 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:07,200 games and that's not ideal either like How do you put the 352 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,600 Iowa game in the context? We look at Indiana's toll 353 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,600 season. I was shocked as I'm sure many 354 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,400 were by that game just period. I expected Indiana, was going to 355 00:20:19,408 --> 00:20:22,100 win that one and was really going to put the pressure on Pro 356 00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:26,700 dude to try to close things out. You know, I think for me I 357 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:30,600 almost wonder if it's more about because Iowa is one of these 358 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,600 teams were they can go off. If they have a great 359 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,500 performance, there are really dangerous team, it's just they 360 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:40,000 are not consistent. They've had these defensive Mo's 361 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:45,400 four years as everyone knows. So, I almost wonder, and to me, 362 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:51,500 it's, I am not buying into it as a indication of Indiana's first 363 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:54,000 season or anything like that. I think it is. 364 00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:57,000 I'm holding it up as of now, it's just a stinker of a 365 00:20:57,008 --> 00:21:02,100 performance, a bad night. It's a continuous in into this 366 00:21:02,100 --> 00:21:05,900 weekend against Michigan. I think I might read into a 367 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:09,700 little bit more, but for me, I think it's Indiana is a really 368 00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:12,700 good team. I think they have Some flaws 369 00:21:12,700 --> 00:21:16,300 and, you know, have had some injuries and death issues of 370 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:18,400 course during the course of the season. 371 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,700 But I still think they're really dangerous team that I can see 372 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:26,200 one of the Big Ten Tournament. I can see going forward March. 373 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,800 Yeah they definitely have that Elite level talent. 374 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:34,600 I will as before I'm saving the Indiana, deep talk for just a 375 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,100 little bit longer. I'm gonna give you an open 376 00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:39,400 question here because normally I'd kind of asked, you know, who 377 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,400 are you surprised to see, you know this The top of the 378 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,700 standings are surprised to see them at the bottom. 379 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,500 It's I'm kind of gives us. You know, the problem is like 380 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:50,800 hat, it's like the entire big tennis just there. 381 00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:53,000 Let's talk about Purdue or Minnesota. 382 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,500 It's maybe Ohio State like that's everyone else. 383 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:59,300 In the Big Ten is just in a one-game, you know, move there. 384 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,700 I'm just going to open it up to you like of that kind of morass 385 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:04,900 of 12 teams, who are you surprised? 386 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:07,900 Is there and who are you not surprised as there? 387 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:13,000 Well, I think the two teams that have some Cries me the most 388 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:20,900 middle middle which is really almost a Northwestern. 389 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,000 I've been very good as they've been and all they come back to 390 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,000 us a little bit of the last couple weeks, but they're gonna 391 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,500 go to the tournament, obviously, only the second time ever for 392 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:35,600 Northwestern. So our real notable performance, 393 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,900 it's really their one of those things where it's just kind of 394 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:43,600 the same group that, Head for a couple of years here and it just 395 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,100 it all came together kind of perfectly for them this year. 396 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:51,100 So you'll have soft to him. I'm not super optimistic about 397 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:55,000 their chances of going deep in March, but obviously, I think 398 00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:59,700 fans in Evanston will take any of your, you know, alone. 399 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,500 Comfortable, you know, NCAA tournament bid the other on the 400 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,400 other side that I've been really surprised, it's just the way I 401 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,400 estate has collapsed and I know they Wonder their last two, but 402 00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:15,300 that's him has way too many pieces to be as bad as they've 403 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:18,000 been this season. I mean they're gonna start out 404 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,200 on the Wednesday. I think they're locked into one 405 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:25,000 of those bottom seeds. They know the advanced number 406 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,300 still kind of like them because they lose close but that has 407 00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:34,200 been a real shocker and a lot of people are antsy about Chris 408 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,300 holtmann and you know how he's doing in Columbus Etc. 409 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,600 I still think he's a good coach. I'm just a fan. 410 00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:47,000 I would not want to dump him for one down here and then I 411 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,400 suppose, you know, teams that I kind of expected, and I thought 412 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,500 Indiana would be pretty good. They have performed pretty well. 413 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,700 I think I took them to win the league title and obviously 414 00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:02,700 putting has performed expectation of a little bit, but 415 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:05,400 I thought it would be solid, not quite this good. 416 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,400 But yeah, so, I mean Indiana's done well. 417 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,900 But to me the big surprise, Yeah, Ohio State. 418 00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:16,200 They have completely collapsed and it's going to be tough when 419 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,400 they see sensible. I walking across the stage 420 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,700 getting drafted in the first round. 421 00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:26,800 It's like we did this with that. Yeah, it's but I I'm with you. 422 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,600 I have. I'm Ohio State. 423 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,400 I at least give Holtman one more year. 424 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,900 I mean, the the track record is he has, you know, probably not 425 00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:36,800 the tournament success. They've wanted and I think that, 426 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,200 you know, losing is a two seed, hurts a lot. 427 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:45,300 Wasn't ideal in 21. But, you know, he's had, he said 428 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:47,300 teams and, you know, just going through his history. 429 00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:50,300 It's like he's been in the top 20 of Ken Palm, pretty much 430 00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:54,000 every year, except for looks like 2019 and then this year and 431 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,100 so there, you know, he's done pretty well. 432 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,500 But yeah, that team looks basically Dead on Arrival and 433 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,800 they really have not, I guess they're picking themselves up 434 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,900 off the ground a little bit here with some home wins against 435 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:08,500 Illinois in Maryland. A bit, they go and win at 436 00:25:08,508 --> 00:25:11,400 Michigan State. I'd be that I might perk. 437 00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:13,800 Up a little bit. But there's that one year. 438 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,700 I mean got this was like, you know, 2000 or 2001 like weren't 439 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:20,700 they maybe those Illinois X, you know, somebody made a run to the 440 00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:21,900 finals? The Big Ten Tournament. 441 00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:23,700 Yeah. There, they have enough Talent 442 00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:25,800 or they could theoretically make a run in the Big Ten Tournament. 443 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,100 I just don't know if this is the year or not, but that's that's 444 00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:29,600 about all I care about Ohio State. 445 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:37,100 Yeah, no, I mean it's they've underachieved in the obviously 446 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:41,900 that to see being the worst example, but I think the Stan. 447 00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:46,000 Now, finally engine top hits as a legitimate player. 448 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:49,400 Yeah. With holtmann and still they 449 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,500 finish like second in the Big Ten that you're. 450 00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:55,900 So I think home is a good coach. I think his the roster 451 00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:59,700 construction I would say is probably the most legitimate 452 00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:03,400 criticism of whom were things have not really balanced out any 453 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,900 season but part of that has been he's got sort of a victim of his 454 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:12,200 own success where he gets these freshmen like sensible Very 455 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,500 well, might declare. And then also your, you know, 456 00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:18,600 your back to the drawing board signs of things. 457 00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:23,900 The Harvard transfer really never played. 458 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,400 Once he got there, a lot of injuries, he deserves 459 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,100 Talking about every other Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 460 00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:47,500 Saturday to get to the final. And that's, that's quite a help 461 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,400 there for the Buckeyes. So sorry for the weird cut here, 462 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,000 folks. My internet went out which makes 463 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,500 it really tough to do a podcast but we're picking this back up 464 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:02,800 on my cell phone using cell service because I got to keep 465 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,700 going. Thomas, you're talking about 466 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:09,300 Ohio State, I believe when that cut out with Holman, am I right? 467 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,300 Yep. Yep. 468 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:21,700 Yeah, I know. And this weekend, I could see 469 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:24,500 them going on a run. But, you know, doing anything 470 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:29,400 from that, Wednesday slots. It's just such a huge ask, so 471 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,500 it's going to be tough for them. So, now, focusing on Indiana 472 00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:34,700 since. Now, I know the internet's 473 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,300 conspiring against me or not have as much time with you and 474 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:43,300 maybe I wanted, you know, I think for Indiana fans, it was 475 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:44,800 for a lot. It was a real eye-opening 476 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,600 experience seeing what Janet Ruffino did against Purdue 35 477 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,400 points. It's, we've been joking. 478 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,600 That, you know, we're putting up the 70 stat lines with no Trace 479 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,100 Jackson Davis and just putting up these you know wild 70 stat 480 00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:01,500 lines or he's getting you a 32 points off into and then Jalen 481 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:04,000 did basically the same thing where he was again I have no 482 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,300 internet now, so I apologize. But, you know, 13, I believe in 483 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:10,200 that game in the rest of it was all, you know, mid-range 484 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,200 jumpers. You know, I feel like, you know, 485 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,600 for here myself and Galen. We've been pretty high on jail 486 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,900 and put your Pinot for most of this year and I've seen a lot of 487 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:24,400 the elite stuff that he does. I think it's taken Indiana fans 488 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,300 a little bit of time just because he's really, really 489 00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:28,600 unique. And we've been trying to put it 490 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,800 in kind of a historical perspective where he fits in and 491 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,000 there's just IU has not had a lot of guards like him. 492 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,700 I'm curious from your perspective, seeing more other 493 00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:40,100 teams around the league. You know? 494 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:42,900 I look at Jalen I'm like he's He's really special and he's 495 00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:46,700 obviously a NBA talent, but you just don't see guys like that. 496 00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,700 With that kind of poise come in and planting obviously the guys 497 00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:53,200 to come in the Big Ten who have Elite level talents, but the 498 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,200 skills that he has that kind of, you know, shooting guard, the 499 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,900 ability to drive and pass and score from mid-range, you know. 500 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:02,900 It's something. I know Indiana hasn't seen. 501 00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:04,700 I feel like we haven't seen the Big Ten in a while either. 502 00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:10,400 No, he's been outstanding and you know it seemed like it took 503 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,500 him a little bit for him to get his feet under him especially 504 00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:18,100 Big 10 in Big, Ten play, you know, Indiana had that those 505 00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:23,300 hiccups in December and early. January where we talked about 506 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:24,700 Ohio State. Going off the rails and felt 507 00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:27,100 like Indiana. Let's go off the ropes there for 508 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:31,700 a minute and really he he stepped up in my eyes and was 509 00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:33,900 the difference because Jackson Davis I think has been 510 00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:37,800 fantastic. All year but he has grown into I 511 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,200 think he's probably the Big Ten freshman of the year in my eyes. 512 00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:46,000 I think Sensabaugh has. It depends a little bit on how 513 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,800 much you factoring team success because Ohio State's been such a 514 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,900 mess but he has been to me. I think he's been the best 515 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:57,000 freshman in the Big Ten. I think he's quickly becoming 516 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,400 one of the best guards in the Big Ten and you know what, I'm 517 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,000 sure we'll get into March and the tournament but That's the 518 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,300 thing that's going to be so challenging, you know, for an 519 00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:12,600 opponent is they against Indiana, is they have church. 520 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,400 Jackson Davis down low, where there's there, aren't going to 521 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,800 be a lot of teams, you know, nationally that can match up 522 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,800 with a big man like that. And then you have this Rising 523 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,000 freshman guard, who is who is turning into a real force. 524 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,700 And if they can get anybody else step up on a given night 525 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:32,200 offensive ly, you know, it's just such a tough team to beat 526 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,300 so it's been exciting to watch. And you know, those Purdue 527 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:41,000 Indiana games were just epic. I mean, they frankly were both 528 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,800 of them, just fantastic matchups. 529 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,500 Felt like a final four game, almost Yeah, in a weird way, as 530 00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:50,600 you look at the Big Ten Tournament, like as an Indiana 531 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,200 fan, I'm, I think produce a really good team, I'm not 532 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,600 talking trash, but I would much rather like see them then 533 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,600 playing. I know, again, like I just, I 534 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,100 think we match up, well, with a team, like, Purdue. 535 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,400 I think we're starting to match up well, against a team like 536 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,300 Michigan. Like, I look at teams like Iowa. 537 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,400 They just scared. We have no one to guard. 538 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,300 Chris, to me, they have no one to guard, our guys, but we have 539 00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:12,800 no one to guard. The Chris Murray type, but no, I 540 00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:16,400 Homer. But I agree, I look at Indiana. 541 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:20,100 I think, you know, I think On Any Given night, if it's all 542 00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:24,700 clicking their final four, if not national champion level 543 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:28,400 teamed, the trouble is they're just not consistent and and 544 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,600 they, you know, they're not going to get it. 545 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,200 Clicking for eight straight games. 546 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,400 And it's just like, when's that stinker going to come and, you 547 00:31:34,408 --> 00:31:37,200 know, when of the Roll guy is going to bail out, but I agree, 548 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,700 I look at it, you know, and that's where I think they even 549 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:43,800 might have more March level success than a team like Purdue 550 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,600 who's a little bit better constructed and much. 551 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:51,000 Much more consistent is just, you know, you kind of say, all 552 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,200 right, you know, they have any, we have Jackson Davis, those are 553 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,100 tough matchups, but it's like wheat when you add jails, 554 00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,400 atrophy, no in there, you know, you look at the Purdue 555 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,700 backcourt. I think those guys are good, you 556 00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:05,400 know, Smith and lawyer, they're good, but they're freshmen, and 557 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,500 they don't have that delete level talent. 558 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:11,200 And those Elite games that Jalen HP, no, could you get both those 559 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,300 guys going? You know, it could be something 560 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:16,500 special for for Indiana in March Lisa. 561 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,500 I see it. Oh, 100%. 562 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:23,300 I mean you know, you talk about consistency and, you know, we 563 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,000 went through Purdue a little bit where it's like, you know, they 564 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,600 could be a one seed, they could be a to see, but man, is it 565 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,500 tough to see them losing, you know, their first game even 566 00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,800 without knowing the opponent this year, just because one, 567 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,700 they're going to be much better obviously than their opponent on 568 00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:41,600 paper, but because of Ed it's just, they're not going to have 569 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:47,400 a guy who can match up with him. But yeah, like I Oh, I feel like 570 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,500 they're going to hit some ceiling. 571 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,600 They're going to hit a team that has a matchup that's 572 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,700 uncomfortable for Ed. And then it's kind of Beyond 573 00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:57,900 these these role players because really that is the rest of 574 00:32:57,908 --> 00:33:01,400 Purdue's lineup which I'm not trying to diminish them or rip 575 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,700 on them in anyway. Produce a great team but 576 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,300 everybody else in that lineup is a role player other than ET and 577 00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:10,400 he is so special that it allows them to play. 578 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,100 Like they're great, great players because there's so much 579 00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:18,500 pressure off of them merci. Indiana where you have these two 580 00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:24,800 guys where they can go off on any night and really carry the 581 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,600 team. So for Purdue, I think they're 582 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,600 going to when Eddie gets into a tough position which will happen 583 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,700 eventually, there will be one team in the tournament that can 584 00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:36,600 do it. Maybe later, maybe earlier, you 585 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,600 know, we'll have to see but I think they're going to bow out 586 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,800 at that point versus Indiana. If you told me, I'm not 587 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,500 predicting it. But if you told me, they lost 588 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:48,200 their first game, I'd be like Okay, maybe if they get the 589 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,000 wrong matchup but if you told me they went pretty far. 590 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,200 I'd be like yeah I could see that school because they're also 591 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,400 going to be a really tough team to match up against the other 592 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,500 thing that is playing in our favor, in my mind for March is 593 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,100 and I'm not seeing it talked about as much but I think it's 594 00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:11,600 as important is you know, produced going to look back and 595 00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:13,900 make the final four who know they're not going to care but if 596 00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,500 they don't, you know, I think they'll look back. 597 00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:19,100 A bit. Like I look back at 2013 when 598 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,800 you know for Indiana's like the Indianapolis Regional was 599 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,800 sitting right there and we just we didn't win down the stretch 600 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,900 and we got shipped out to DC and we lost Syracuse. 601 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,600 Now we lost for a variety of reasons. 602 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,500 It's like I much rather would have played it in D and that was 603 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:34,400 there that Midwest. Was there for the taking, you 604 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,199 know, Purdue you got to Regional in Kansas City, you got a 605 00:34:38,207 --> 00:34:40,600 regional Louisville and they're both sitting there and produce 606 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,800 not going to get them and unfortunately, they're, they're 607 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,500 going to be the one seed unless there's no guesswork. 608 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,600 Or were they could drop to the to and maybe get one of those. 609 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,800 But it's like they're probably going to be a one shipped out to 610 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,900 the west or the East and and because of that, you know, I 611 00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:59,500 think you're going to have Indiana is going to be probably 612 00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:02,800 seated if therefore they'll probably be in the bracket. 613 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,300 That's not Purdue base, just based on kind of Big Ten and 614 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:08,600 playing again and then not wanting to have that as a 615 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,100 regional game. So you know all this said it's 616 00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:17,700 like there's a you know, 66% chance in the As Regional site 617 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,600 could be, Kansas City or Louisville, and it's just 618 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,200 staring at us and like, every these, the all these mock 619 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,700 projections, like, most of them have us in the South Playing 620 00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:29,500 Louisville is a second round are started. 621 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:31,900 Second Sight game. It's like that's going to be a 622 00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:34,400 home game and Kansas City could damn near be a home game as 623 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,100 well. And I think that that's 624 00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:40,500 something that like really I'm almost more I almost just want 625 00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,500 to get in the South and I don't care what our seat is because 626 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:47,100 we'll be in that 45 range to me. It's like the South Is there but 627 00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:49,600 it does feel like there's, you know, a better than a coin flip 628 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,800 that we get the south in which case we're playing Louisville in 629 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,100 Louisville which you know, we've that'll be a home game and 630 00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:59,400 that's Indiana has shown they play better when they have kind 631 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,400 of a home crowd behind them. 100%. 632 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,700 Yeah, and I think that's a, that's a nice opportunity there. 633 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,800 You know, for Indiana and, you know, we've seen kind of some 634 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,900 ups and downs and when the Indiana has made the tournament 635 00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:20,600 are over the last, you know, 10, 15 years, you know that 2013 636 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,200 team, I agree. You know, that was a huge 637 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,900 letdown that team was way better than where they finished in the 638 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:31,200 tournament and Purdue, you know, on that note, it will be a 639 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,400 colossal. Appointment. 640 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,000 If they don't make a run here in March, I don't know how to spin 641 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,200 it if you got a one seed, your rank number one for a couple you 642 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,200 know of weeks. Yeah. 643 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,700 They get the Big Ten title, you know? 644 00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:48,700 They get to hang a banner. They get the trophy Etc, but 645 00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:52,500 obviously it's the final four. That that's really going to make 646 00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:55,000 this a special year for Purdue so well. 647 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,200 And I would I'll go on top of that. 648 00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:00,500 Let's, let's stay on that for a second if we could cool off. 649 00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:04,600 Smack it on Purdue but I Record saying that, you know, to me 650 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,600 last year was a colossal failure because I mean, that was, oh 651 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,500 yeah, that was a team. That was, you know, took a 652 00:37:12,508 --> 00:37:16,000 couple years to construct and it's like, you had, you had a 653 00:37:16,008 --> 00:37:19,600 neat, you had ET, you had, you know, story out of it, you the 654 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,600 shooting, you had Jaden IV, you had an MBA level talmon, you 655 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:27,900 have the team there and then the bracket could not have broken 656 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,300 better for you for any team ever. 657 00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:33,800 Then what produce? Aired in the face, to get to the 658 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,700 final four and it's like that team last year, didn't win a Big 659 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:39,500 Ten title. Didn't win the Big Ten 660 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:42,700 Tournament didn't even get to the final four and it's like and 661 00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:46,900 you lost to a 15 seat like to me that was a colossal failure and 662 00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:48,500 I agree with you. It's like so you come back this 663 00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:52,600 year, the expectations are lower but you know to their credit, 664 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,600 they figure it out and they get back on that train. 665 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,800 They become very consistent. It's like they want a Big Ten 666 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,100 title, but I do think if you look at this two-year stretch 667 00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:03,900 like this is this This might go down in the matte painter are as 668 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,200 like these were the best two years for him. 669 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,200 It's very similar. I think like Jean Katie when he 670 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,900 had those teeth with Glenn Robinson. 671 00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:13,900 It's like if you're not gonna do it now I don't know when you're 672 00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:18,200 going to do it and I do you know to me that's what's on the line 673 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,000 for Purdue is like if you finish this two-year stretch where you 674 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:26,200 just had, you know, generational talent in, you know, Zack ET you 675 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,600 have a, you know, once in a you know, just super high level NBA 676 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,400 Talent Jane I have You have, you know, the right breaks in the 677 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,200 tournament draw and you finish that two-year stretch with one 678 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,200 big, ten title and that's all you get. 679 00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:43,400 Like, I think, I think it's a colossal to your failure. 680 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,600 I completely Concur. And you know I've heard a lot of 681 00:38:47,607 --> 00:38:50,200 people try to spend last year as well. 682 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,800 You know, say marriage is really good, you know, they were really 683 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,000 hot Etc. And the example, I would use is 684 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,900 another big 10 team who made the final four recently which was 685 00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:02,800 Michigan and they got Loyola Chicago, Chicago, you know this 686 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,200 crazy run this low seed in the final four and everybody was 687 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,700 like you know you got the easiest draw blah, blah blah 688 00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:13,300 which is probably true. I mean it's not often you get a 689 00:39:13,308 --> 00:39:16,200 final four team. That's a, I think they were like 690 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,600 an 11 cedar or something like that. 691 00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:22,600 But Michigan one, they took care of business and for Purdue that 692 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,700 was a huge missed opportunity against st. 693 00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:28,100 Mary's because I don't care that st. 694 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:31,900 Mary's was playing well, I don't care if they were red-hot or St. 695 00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:34,100 Mary's, what I keep saying, Steamers, same thing. 696 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,900 Yes, thank you. Thank you know, it sounds like 697 00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:43,100 less of an idiot's Saint Peters. Purdue was better than them. 698 00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:46,100 Like that, that was a complete upset. 699 00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:47,500 I don't care what happened before. 700 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:49,600 It Purdue had better players as you meant. 701 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,500 I mean, Jaden IV, St. Peters didn't have anybody 702 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,800 close? That was good enough. 703 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,000 Let's stop Jaden IV. It was. 704 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,200 I mean, Purdue just laying down to them. 705 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,200 So yeah. It would be a noisy. 706 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,600 I mean, it's, it's what you want. 707 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:16,100 It's been way too long. But the last time in 2002, you 708 00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:19,000 know, they had to be Duke. So you mean you did that but 709 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,900 like part of part of what happened is that bracket really 710 00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:24,200 broke for them? Well like I think and again I 711 00:40:24,207 --> 00:40:26,100 have no internet but I'm doing this all by memory. 712 00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:28,900 I'm pretty sure like they would have played USC in the second 713 00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:33,300 round but they didn't USC lost. And then yes, they had the play 714 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:35,700 Duke but then their Regional game was against ten state and I 715 00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:39,400 think was like an 11 seed that year and similar can stay with 716 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,500 hot. But you know, it's like I don't 717 00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:44,400 know who the two seed would have been in that, that years 718 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,800 bracket, but it's like that's it's much easier playing a Kent 719 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,400 State even though they're hot and playing. 720 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,200 Well, like if you're Indiana you have the at you you know who's 721 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,600 going to stop Jared Jeffries, who's gonna guard Jeff Newton, 722 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,900 you know, you have some advantages versus whoever, the 723 00:40:56,900 --> 00:41:00,200 two seed was that year, you're playing them 48 hours after you 724 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,000 just beat Duke in a while game. So like that's you have to take 725 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,300 advantage of those situations and I'm with you, you hearing 726 00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:11,400 Purdue fans kind of, you know, just kind of, you know, Figure 727 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,000 out a way to God. You know, no, that wasn't a big 728 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,900 deal to know that you didn't have to play Kentucky, you 729 00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:20,200 didn't have to play, you know, it's like that was that was the 730 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:28,000 bracket for you 100% And we haven't gotten, you know, for 731 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000 us, we covered the Big Ten and we haven't gotten to cover as 732 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,500 many Big Ten final fours. As you know, we may have wished 733 00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:41,500 for the last 15, 20 years lot, a lot of let downs, but I I mean 734 00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:44,200 it's yes. You get your like perennial 735 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,400 epic. You know the Wisconsin Frank 736 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,400 Kaminsky teams? Yeah. 737 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,000 Those teams were especially the second one like it was pretty 738 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,100 obvious. They were going to make a deep 739 00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:59,900 deep run but most of the time you get a favorable bouncer to 740 00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:04,000 to get to the final four and Purdue had it last year and they 741 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,500 just miss. So I hate to judge this year's 742 00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:08,800 team based on last year's Miss steps. 743 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,000 But you know, that those All those ghosts are going to show 744 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,900 up in March when they get into a tight game. 745 00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:19,300 I guarantee you that. So as we look at, let's talk 746 00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:21,900 about the Big Ten tournament and then I kind of want to get your 747 00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:24,700 picks on who you like and don't like going into the NCAA 748 00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:27,600 tournament. You know, looking at the big 749 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,800 tent, look, like Texas, somebody, so I can still pull it 750 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,500 up. If you look at the games this 751 00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:34,700 weekend, I'm going to assume Michigan State beats, Ohio, 752 00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:37,900 State Indiana beats. Michigan, Iowa beats Nebraska, 753 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,000 Wisconsin beats Minnesota, Maryland, beats Penn, State, 754 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,200 Purdue beats, Illinois. And I have Northwestern beating 755 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,800 Rutgers. That's the next toss-up, but it 756 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,800 does kind of change everything. If that puts the for Purdue 757 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,400 Iowa, Maryland Northwestern is the protected for and then you 758 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,400 have Indiana at 56, Michigan State, you know, I don't even 759 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,700 know where to go with this because it's like you change one 760 00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:03,400 of those and suddenly you known as the for and the everything 761 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,000 just gets completely jumbled around. 762 00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:07,900 I guess I'll ask you this, I'll probably ask you the same 763 00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:10,000 question, twice will do it once for Big Ten. 764 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,800 You know, who do you like in the Big Ten Tournament, you know, 765 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,100 and who do you see As you know, obviously I think Michigan has 766 00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:21,700 the most to do, but who do you, who do you like in the 767 00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:23,800 tournament and then I would say, who do you think has the most to 768 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,900 do? But I honestly think outside of 769 00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:27,500 Michigan it feels like everyone else is kind of locked into 770 00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:30,000 their tournament scene. So I'm in a weird way, I'm not 771 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,300 sure how important this Big Ten Tournament is for NCAA seating. 772 00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:37,900 Yeah, I don't know if it's, I mean, the three teams that I 773 00:43:37,908 --> 00:43:41,800 think are still kind of in flux, here are Michigan Penn State and 774 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,000 Wisconsin. Wisconsin, seems like they're, 775 00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:49,600 they're in on the on the right side of most projections will 776 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,000 have to see, I think. Do they play Wisconsin or 777 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,900 Minnesota this weekend? That that could be a potential 778 00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:03,600 bad loss if they do. I'm trying to keep track here 779 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:09,300 but um Yes, they do. So I Wisconsin, just, just with 780 00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:11,400 that Minnesota game hanging out there, if they beat Minnesota, 781 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,500 they should be safe. Yeah, I kind of thought Michigan 782 00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:19,400 has been playing up Michigan, Michigan, State over the last 783 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,800 couple of weeks, but then the Wolverines, you know, fall last 784 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,600 night in double overtime to Illinois, so maybe they're 785 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,700 coming down her Earth a little bit. 786 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,400 Yeah, the the bizarre thing is, you know, not to keep harping on 787 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,600 this, but the matchups are just So influx that it's hard to get 788 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,600 a feel for anybody here. But yeah, I mean Purdue in 789 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,700 Indiana. I think are the best teams in 790 00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:48,000 the league and I don't think that's a that's a hot take or 791 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,300 anything. So I think just on paper I would 792 00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:52,500 expect those teams to do the best. 793 00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:56,600 It would be really interesting if Indiana does fall into the 794 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,900 the five just because this is this is one of these points that 795 00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:03,400 I've always been interested in and I've never done like a 796 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:09,100 breakdown or anything but I've always felt like the team that 797 00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:14,600 would rested the day before. Start sloppy early on in their 798 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,200 game. So like if Indiana played their 799 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,800 first game on Thursday, they would play, what would be a 800 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,000 pretty low seed? You would expect them to win, 801 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,000 then they feed into that for on Friday. 802 00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:27,600 Don't expect Indiana to have the advantage early on. 803 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,800 So I've always I've always wondered and debated it. 804 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,000 I mean, it seems like there's mixed opinions on whether it's 805 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,300 good or bad. To play the day before but yeah, 806 00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:41,500 I don't like Northwestern in this. 807 00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:44,400 I feel like Northwestern has faded significantly Rucker's 808 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,100 obviously, they lost the Minnesota last night. 809 00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:48,800 Horrible loss. They have been a mess, the last 810 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,100 couple of weeks, so those two teams. 811 00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:55,800 I'm definitely down right now. But Purdue in Indiana, I think 812 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,800 are the best team, so I would pick them to go the farthest, 813 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,100 but I Michigan and Michigan State. 814 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:06,000 If you look at T rank which, you know, you I'm sure you got 815 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,100 mainly DieHard. Yep, diehards for college 816 00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:11,400 basketball, but the spin on the knockoff of can palm and, you 817 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,400 know, so to speak if you look in February Michigan and Michigan 818 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,800 State have been playing like top 15 teams just over that that 819 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,700 range. I don't know if it's changed 820 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,400 with last night's games but those are those are teams 821 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,500 playing pretty well that are probably going to be seated 822 00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:30,500 relatively low in the Big Ten Tournament. 823 00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:34,600 I would think. So using know and you stole my, 824 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,400 my dark horse's big. It can't be a dark horse from 825 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,300 the best team in the conference last 20 years, but the mission 826 00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:41,900 State like they are playing better. 827 00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:44,500 And this is, this is what Tom Izzo does. 828 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,200 Like, they play a brutal, non-conference they get beat up, 829 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,400 you kind of forget about them big. 830 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,700 Normally they're a little higher in the Big Ten, but they've been 831 00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:55,400 in that middle spot, you know, the whole time and they also, 832 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,400 you know, what happened on their campus was a tragedy, but I will 833 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,200 say they there's a game. Against Minnesota there. 834 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,800 That was not played, which probably is another. 835 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,200 You could pretty much chalk that up to another win. 836 00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:11,600 You know, I'm not trying to be callous were just looking at the 837 00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:14,300 logistics of the Big Ten and you're just focusing this on 838 00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:17,200 basketball and that would put them problem you know. 839 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:20,100 Again I have no internet right now but you give them just 840 00:47:20,100 --> 00:47:23,100 another win. They might be in the protected 841 00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:30,900 seed line because anyway the the things that I gave you the wins 842 00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:33,900 and losses for this That puts the tournament that would put 843 00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:36,500 Indiana as a five-seat, they play the winner of Ohio, State, 844 00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:39,500 Nebraska and they play, they wouldn't that they play the four 845 00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:41,200 seed Northwestern. Like, I think that's a really 846 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,200 good path for them to get to the semi-final obvious, a Michigan 847 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,500 State, like Michigan state would play the winner, Minnesota Penn 848 00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:49,000 State. I feel good about that for them, 849 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,800 and they play Maryland. And I don't, that's a pretty 850 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,800 good matchup for them. And then you could look at you 851 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,300 looking at, you know, Purdue Indiana, Iowa, Michigan State in 852 00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:00,900 the final for the Big Ten Tournament, which I would take. 853 00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:03,500 And then at that point, Point. If I'm Indiana, it's like I love 854 00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:06,600 the matchup against Purdue but I almost, you know, at least for 855 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,600 Indiana. I look at this year's Big Ten 856 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,700 Tournament. I'd love to win one because 857 00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:15,600 we've never done it, which is Bonkers but I also like if we're 858 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,200 coming at it from, you know, starting on Thursday, I'm not 859 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,300 sure that I want to see Jackson Davis and Jalen of the Cioppino, 860 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:24,100 four straight games of 40 plus minutes. 861 00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:27,400 There's a, there's a part for Indiana where I think you're not 862 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,200 going to move up to the one or the two line in the NCAA. 863 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,100 So it's like I almost some kind of That's bowing out on Friday 864 00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:36,200 or Saturday just to get ready for what really matters. 865 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,000 Yeah, no. I mean I think you bring up good 866 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,200 points and that Michigan State's eating. 867 00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:44,100 It was really interesting. Yeah. 868 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:47,300 If it plays out that way, you know, one of these games goes 869 00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:50,000 another way, as you mentioned it's like yeah they can be taken 870 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:55,100 to ferment so who knows what are you looking at the NCAA 871 00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:58,100 tournament? You know who do you? 872 00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:01,300 Who do you like to go far? Who's kind of a Dark Horse and 873 00:49:01,300 --> 00:49:04,400 who Ooh, who do you think is going to be most disappointed? 874 00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:06,600 You know, come the end of the tournament? 875 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,100 Well, I think the first thing you know, as far as the Big Ten 876 00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:17,900 is concerned, I mean Indiana, Maryland and Purdue are probably 877 00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:20,800 going to be the seated, the highest I would anticipate, you 878 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,100 know, barring some really weird stuff over the next week and a 879 00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:29,800 half per. Do I see them as like a sweet 16 880 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,700 team and then I see them get knocked out. 881 00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:37,100 Are Indiana, I think is good enough to make the elite eight. 882 00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:40,400 Maybe the final four if they get a favorable matchup because of 883 00:49:40,408 --> 00:49:43,300 course you know they could get in one of these regions of death 884 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,300 or something. You know that happened yet once 885 00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:50,600 in a while so I don't know. On their Maryland, the weird 886 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,200 thing about the Terps is they give me The Vibes of some of the 887 00:49:54,207 --> 00:49:57,100 Wisconsin teams over the last decade, and not the Frank 888 00:49:57,100 --> 00:50:01,700 Kaminsky ones, but the ones that kind of are engaged in this. 889 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,800 He's drowning activity where you know you're going to pull your 890 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,400 opponent down in the water and you just hope they drown before 891 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,400 you do where there's when. You look at Maryland there's 892 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,000 nothing that really makes you go. 893 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,300 Wow but they keep winning. They flake out like they just 894 00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:22,300 played nice fundamental basketball for the most part. 895 00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:25,700 But the thing that would scare me to death is if I'm at work 896 00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:30,900 fan is Jameer young is his usage, numbers are off the 897 00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:34,000 chart. Massive and that doesn't even 898 00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:38,800 take into account the fact that he is their primary ball handler 899 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,500 and is passing, you know, with the assist rate and and those 900 00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:44,500 types of things when you actually factor in how much of 901 00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:48,300 the offense he's accounting for. They truly are like a one-man 902 00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:53,600 show offensive ly and that you know for obvious reasons is 903 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,500 really scary going into the tournament because if a team can 904 00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:59,900 figure out how to defend him Maryland's, probably going down. 905 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,100 That's not me, that's just yeah. The the nature of it. 906 00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:07,600 So Maryland, I'm I kind of feel like they can get such such a 907 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,300 home team. Yep. 908 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:12,900 Oh, hundred percent. Yeah, so I mean, if Marilyn, I 909 00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:14,700 wouldn't be shocked if they lose their first game. 910 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,900 That's that's kind of what I'm thinking of them, the rest of 911 00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:21,600 the league. Well, I mean, most of these like 912 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,400 Penn State, Wisconsin and Michigan, somehow gets into the 913 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,600 field. They're going to be such low 914 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,700 seeds. That it's hard to sit here with 915 00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,700 a straight face and say, oh yeah, you know as the 11th. 916 00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:35,200 You know, Wisconsin's going to make a Deep Run or something. 917 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,500 So, none of those, I feel great about the only other Michigan 918 00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:42,500 state is going to be a really interesting one. 919 00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:47,100 They're probably going to land between a 7 to 10 State Bar in a 920 00:51:47,107 --> 00:51:51,400 huge run this weekend. And it seems like the committee 921 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,900 always wants to put them in one of those because they get to 922 00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:57,800 play the, you know, the one, or the two on Saturday or Sunday. 923 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,800 And it's always this big, big primetime game. 924 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,000 But they're playing much better than their seed would indicate 925 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,000 right now. And you almost wonder, you know, 926 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,400 sometimes you get these, like storybook runs, you know, with 927 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,600 everything that's happened there. 928 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,900 You wonder if we could be in store for one of those just more 929 00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:58,900 of a gut thing and some Yeah. there's our people use like, you 930 00:52:58,900 --> 00:53:09,900 know, Yeah, you broke up a little bit but it's as far as 931 00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:14,300 Michigan state is is concerned. Yeah, I mean they they play a 932 00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:19,400 lot of three-pointers, they push the ball in transition still as 933 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,900 they've kind of done here for the last last couple of years. 934 00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:24,400 So I think they're going to, they're going to be a really 935 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,800 interesting team to watch the big. 936 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,200 The big thing is just however, they match up against whoever 937 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,500 that one or two seed is that they're likely going to face on 938 00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:35,000 Saturday. Or Sunday in the first weekend 939 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,600 so it but to me I almost feel more confident than I do a team 940 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,400 like Maryland, who's probably going to be seated higher. 941 00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,600 Well, there you go. That's that's the end. 942 00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:50,600 That is where I had a complete all system failure. 943 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,400 No, internet myself. Own kind of stopped, being able 944 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,500 to hold a signal for like 10 minutes, and that was the end of 945 00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,000 the podcast. And that's where I just said 946 00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,900 we're done. And this is where it's going to 947 00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:02,700 end. And so, you know, Thomas and I 948 00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:04,800 unfortunately, I didn't get to kind of finish off with a bunch 949 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,700 of Indiana stuff. That's my fault for kind of 950 00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:10,200 waiting to the very end. But as we stand here on a 951 00:54:10,207 --> 00:54:13,000 Saturday afternoon, Michigan state has just beaten Ohio 952 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,600 State. The remaining games are Indiana, 953 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,600 Michigan. I'm gonna put down Indiana as 954 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,800 the winner for that one. And then I'm going to give you 955 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,400 what the, what that would result in. 956 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,500 For our big ten seeds, you have Iowa, Nebraska. 957 00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:30,100 I think Iowans that you have Minnesota and Wisconsin. 958 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,000 I feel comfortable giving that to the Badgers. 959 00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,800 You have Penn State. Let me get the home in a way. 960 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,000 Splits you have Maryland at Penn State. 961 00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:42,100 If this is a Maryland, I think I would easily pick Maryland. 962 00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:44,400 It's at Penn State. I think just for this, I'm going 963 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,300 to say Penn State a sorry. I'm going to say Maryland, you 964 00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:49,100 could go either way, we could maybe play with that one, a 965 00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:51,200 little bit. You have Purdue or Illinois at 966 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,200 Purdue produce, winning that. And then the other one that I'm 967 00:54:53,207 --> 00:54:56,500 a little bit unsure on Northwestern truckers I think 968 00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:59,100 Rutgers going to win that and home senior night. 969 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,000 So with those being our assumptions, then calculate 970 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,400 seeds that It's Indiana as the double by with the four seed. 971 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,100 You have pretty with the won Iowa to, to Marilyn with the 972 00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:11,600 three, in Indiana, with the, for, in their little sub 973 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,400 bracket. You have a house state Nebraska, 974 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,800 playing on Wednesday, the winner of that place, Michigan State, 975 00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:20,900 the winner of that will play Indiana on Friday night ideal. 976 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,700 I kind of want to stay away from Michigan State. 977 00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:24,500 They worry me. I think their physical and can 978 00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:26,400 get hot. I'd rather not play them. 979 00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:29,300 That's not an ideal draw, like to win. 980 00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:31,600 At least one game in the Big Ten tournament, and then you're kind 981 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,000 of looking at Michigan State and Purdue. 982 00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:36,800 Do that. That's a rough that I just I 983 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,900 think that's not the best draw. You could possibly have. 984 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,300 I'm going to back up and we're just going to swap that Marilyn 985 00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:45,100 Penn State game. Let's get Penn State, the win, 986 00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:50,400 everything else stays constant. In that case you have Purdue is 987 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,800 the one seed Iowa. The two seed Indiana, the three 988 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,800 seed, Michigan State, the four seed in our little sub-regional. 989 00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,100 You have Minnesota, Wisconsin, playing on Wednesday. 990 00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,900 The winter that plays Rutgers we play, the winner of that. 991 00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:04,500 I like that. I like that a lot. 992 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,800 We would then play Penn State, Maryland will be the night, the 993 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,500 7:10. And then the winner of that 994 00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:13,100 would play Iowa and then we'd come out on Saturday, to play 995 00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:16,000 the winner of that. If we win, which I like, because 996 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,300 I like our chances against Maryland, Penn State. 997 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,200 I don't particularly like our chances against Iowa, we don't 998 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,900 match up well with them, but what I would say is we don't a 999 00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:29,600 game against Iowa is not going to be an overly physical game, 1000 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,700 especially for like, Tres Jackson Davis as it would be for 1001 00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:34,800 playing. You know, Purdue or Michigan or 1002 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,200 Michigan. State was just some guys who 1003 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,700 have, you know, big dudes and just play with, in the post, 1004 00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:42,700 like, Iowa plays a little more open and free, we can get our 1005 00:56:42,707 --> 00:56:45,600 doors blown off again. But to me, it's like, it's more 1006 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:50,800 about trying to not have hard minutes at this point in the 1007 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,000 season and that's kind of a game where we just go in. 1008 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,300 Like, if we shoot well, maybe we win, if we don't, we don't, but 1009 00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:59,300 we're not, you know, I don't really want to see on a Saturday 1010 00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:03,100 before the NCAA tournament Trace do another 40 minutes against 1011 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,700 And just getting to know just getting beat to hell. 1012 00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:08,900 So I do like that set up their the opening. 1013 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,700 Again, it's that with Scott that Penn State Maryland game. 1014 00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:15,200 I'm not sure if we swap that back and forth and the Rutgers 1015 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,500 Northwestern Northwestern could wins a lot of, a lot of Mac ways 1016 00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:20,700 to slice this up. But those are some ways that I 1017 00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:24,500 think it could possibly go down and wait and see. 1018 00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:26,800 So if you're listening to this on Sunday and everything's 1019 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,000 already happened, I'm sure it all happen differently. 1020 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,200 And there's like, you know, we if we lose the Michigan I'm not 1021 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,800 even going to go down that road. Because we just can't its traces 1022 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,700 senior night. Let's go out and win that game. 1023 00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:40,500 So that's all we have. Now I want to thank you very 1024 00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:43,000 much for listening to this pod. If you're all the way through, 1025 00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:44,900 thank you, thanks for staying with it. 1026 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,900 Technology has given much. And also she's a Fickle fickle 1027 00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:51,400 lover, and she takes away as well. 1028 00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:54,800 So thank you all for listening will have much, much, more and 1029 00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:57,700 look forward to seeing Sunday night when we know what the Big 1030 00:57:57,700 --> 00:58:00,200 Ten bracket looks like, and then we can really start dissecting 1031 00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,100 this and then get ready for NCAA. 1032 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,100 Going to be fun. You know, fun week and a half 1033 00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:08,000 here where we can actually watch this tournament show not be. 1034 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,100 We know. Are we going to make it? 1035 00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:11,300 Are we not it's been quite a while since we've been in that. 1036 00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:14,100 So good times for all, until next time. 1037 00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:15,600 Thank you guys, very much for listening. 1038 00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:18,500 This is Scott for Crimson cast signing off.