1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:03,920 Welcome back to Crimson Cast, Alan Clavio joining you. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:08,640 It is Thursday, October 24th. IU football content week on 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,640 Crimson Cast continues to roll on and we got one of our 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,920 favorite guests on Taylor Lehman from Bite Sized Bison. 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:20,520 Back with us again to preview this week's contest between the 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,640 Indiana Hoosiers and the Washington Huskies. 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,880 Noon on Big 10 Network. We got college game day in town. 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,520 They're over setting up right now South of the stadium. 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,280 Taylor, you can feel the buzz here in Bloomington, can't you? 10 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:33,880 Yeah, yeah. No, it's real. 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,960 I remember when they were in town and was that 2017 and that 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,760 that felt that felt significant. And but this I would say, you 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,400 know, I mean, I was younger than, but this feels, this feels 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,480 even more probable. Yeah, I remember I did a 12 hour 15 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:50,840 tailgate that day and and then somehow made it into the stadium 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,800 and lasted the entire game. You know, we'll we'll talk about 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,440 that when you were younger too. I was younger too. 18 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,760 I could still do that. I. 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,800 I have no doubt. Well, no, apparently the buzzer 20 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,320 says I'm not capable of doing. I don't know what that was. 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,800 Sorry about that folks. 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When we finished up that podcast 85 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,839 last week about Nebraska and Indiana, you know, we were both 86 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,440 confident that Indiana was going to win that game. 87 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,080 I don't think we were confident they were going to win 56 to 7. 88 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,280 So let's quickly start off by saying like, what were the two 89 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:35,000 or three key sources of success statistically that Indiana had 90 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,360 that allowed them to win that game by 49 points? 91 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:40,840 Yeah. And I think the first thing is 92 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:46,000 just the way they ran the ball. I did not anticipate that. 93 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:50,560 I did not think Nebraska's rush defense was as good as they were 94 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,200 touting. But but the the way that they 95 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,920 ran the ball was really effective, I thought. 96 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:02,200 And then I also thought Miles cross was really effective. 97 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,600 I remember saying on the podcast that it could be a Miles cross 98 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,720 game given how effective their cornerbacks were. 99 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,520 And I, I think that was a big reason why he's able to work all 100 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,360 over the field and they really struggled to cover him. 101 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,200 But then also the, you know, I, I've, I had a lot of concerns 102 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,720 about the secondary going into that game. 103 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,760 And at first it looked like there might be some issues, but 104 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,280 you could definitely tell 'cause, you know, they work in 105 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:28,640 zone mostly because there is a talent disparity. 106 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,640 Going man to man like that would not be a good idea. 107 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,400 And you could tell as the game was going on, they were really 108 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,880 jumping some routes and, and, and I mean, forcing turnovers in 109 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,480 the passing game was, was great too. 110 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,760 I think that's really the first time we've seen that from them. 111 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,640 So the, the, the, the secondary performance was really not 112 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,400 surprising to me, but it was encouraging to see, especially 113 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,240 going into the, you know, this, this last the back half of the 114 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,000 schedule. Yeah, I was really impressed 115 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,480 with with how how much havoc they were able to create, 116 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,200 especially with turnovers like you mentioned. 117 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,720 I mean, you know, a + 4 turnover margin, that was their best of 118 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,120 the year by far. And you know, a, a real change 119 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,080 of pace from what they've had. You know, for instance, in the 120 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,760 in the Maryland game, you know, where it went the opposite 121 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,120 direction. And I think you have to go back 122 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,640 quite a ways to find a game where Indiana had that good of a 123 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,520 turnover margin. And in fact, I'm doing that 124 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,480 right now. I'm looking through past games. 125 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:32,520 They were +3 at Rutgers in the 2020 season, and they were +3 at 126 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,840 home versus Northwestern in the 2019. 127 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,040 But you can go all the way back to 2016 and you can't find a 128 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,080 game where Indiana was +4 better in turn over they. 129 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,200 Didn't have a + 4 better turnover margin game in in 2020. 130 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,120 No, that's crazy. No, they they, in fact, they had 131 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,480 the plus 3 versus Rutgers and and the other games were plus 1 132 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:59,640 + 2 + 2 -, 1 + 2 + 1 - 2. Wow, so this was one of the like 133 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,760 many other things about that Nebraska game. 134 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,360 This was kind of a Unicorn. Now that probably led to the 135 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,920 score. What this is the weird thing I 136 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,440 was going to say. It kind of led to the score not 137 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,160 being representative and yet that, you know, did we really 138 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,040 lose that bad graphic that everybody loves on Twitter? 139 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,080 It it wasn't unrepresentative. That was that was about as bad 140 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,920 as Nebraska actually got beat. It is just interesting that an 141 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,000 IU defense that had kind of been derided a bit over the course of 142 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,040 the previous few weeks really came came out to play and were 143 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,080 able to take advantage of the situation against Nebraska the 144 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,800 way they work. Yeah, I'm looking at the EPA 145 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,800 roundup that I do immediately after every game. 146 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,040 And after the Nebraska game, Nebraska's offense had such a 147 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,800 bad EPA that it would have finished in the 12th percentile 148 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:47,000 of all games played last year. So that's that's, that's it's 149 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,920 really, it's the it's not good. And, and, and when you go down 150 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,160 the list, I mean, EPA per past 19th percentile, EPA per rush, 151 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:59,000 19th percentile, like, like it was a dominant game by Indiana's 152 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,560 defense. And I will say that that there 153 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,160 were two turnovers that happened deep in their own territory too, 154 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,120 which was really encouraging to see because early in the season, 155 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,600 when the ball, when the, when opposing offenses were driving 156 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,520 into their territory, they did, they didn't play super well. 157 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,840 So having those performances in their own territory was really 158 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,960 encouraging, especially for this Washington team that really can 159 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,280 move the ball in the middle of the field. 160 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,440 So let's go ahead and pivot talk about Washington. 161 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,920 I mean, so this is a Washington team that has had a a curious 162 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,720 schedule or curious set of outcomes, I think. 163 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,559 And they're clearly a team that is in transition from one 164 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,880 coaching staff to another, which was probably going to happen. 165 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,320 I mean, maybe not the coaching staff part, but even if Caitlin 166 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,280 de Boer hadn't left, this was going to be a year where they 167 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,000 were going to be reloading, given, you know, the sheer 168 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,560 outflow of talent that they had off of those teams the last 169 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:51,960 couple of years. And, you know, I mean, it's a 170 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,760 team that's had just a an insane level of success, 11 and two in 171 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,880 2022 and then 14 and one. They got all the way to the 172 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,840 national championship game last year. 173 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,320 You know, they they were going to have a lot of changes. 174 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,920 Now they've dropped 12 points per game on offense. 175 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,960 They played better defensively, like last year they averaged 176 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,760 about 25 points per game given up. 177 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,960 This year they're only allowing 17. 178 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,120 But it's clearly a team that, while talented, is having 179 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,080 trouble scoring regularly. And they've, I don't know, 180 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,560 they've got some interesting issues with them. 181 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:26,880 Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. 182 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,440 They're they're they're coordinating pair. 183 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,720 I think people will if they don't know already that they 184 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,400 they'll find it interesting is their offensive coordinator is 185 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,920 the son of Pete Carroll, which is who is his name is Brennan 186 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,600 Carroll. He was the offensive coordinator 187 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,400 at Arizona and came over. I think he's actually kind of 188 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,120 promising. And and then the defensive 189 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,200 coordinator is the son of Bill Belichick. 190 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:52,800 Steven Belichick was coaching DBS at at that New England, you 191 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,720 know, last year, I think the last Four Seasons now and really 192 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,320 kind of created that weird like Rutgers New England secondary 193 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,080 connection because he went to Rutgers. 194 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,760 And so the they have a lot of investment. 195 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,840 Like the I don't I don't think a lot of people realize the 196 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,800 football program that's coming to the big 10 in Washington like 197 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,840 it it they have institutional investment. 198 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,400 If if you're not old enough, you might not remember like, well, I 199 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,840 mean, I'm not old Buff, right, I am. 200 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,920 The the 80s and 90s were were very successful times for 201 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,160 Washington. And then they kind of made a 202 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,080 comeback in the 20 tens, starting with Steve Sarkeesian, 203 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,240 who's at Texas now. And so, you know, this is a this 204 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,760 is a program that expects to win and has some backing to do it. 205 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,720 Their assistant salary pools at 7.5 million, which is almost 2 206 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,520 million higher than I us this season. 207 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,320 And so, you know, like you were saying, there's going to be some 208 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,200 transition because they were losing their offensive 209 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,720 coordinator anyway. He was going to go somewhere 210 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,600 else. And so, I mean, they probably 211 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,800 just would have bumped Nick Sheridan up, I guess, but. 212 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,440 Can we revisit that? I mean, I think right now that 213 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:08,200 looked good for Alabama. Yeah, right. 214 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,280 So, you know, there's there. But like you were saying, 215 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,040 there's just some inconsistencies in this 216 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,040 transitions, in this transition season. 217 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,680 There's a lot of talent, there's a lot of positive scheme. 218 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:21,600 We'll probably get into this a little bit later, but their 219 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,840 offense reminds me like a slightly less effective 2019 IU 220 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:30,360 offense in a lot of ways. So, you know, yeah, Yeah, I 221 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,080 mean, I, I just general inconsistencies. 222 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,240 Yeah, no. And it is interesting because, 223 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,080 you know, they they had kind of a weird stretches of program. 224 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,280 I mean, and and it was kind of hit the bottom of the barrel 225 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,840 with the Tyrone Willingham era. And then, you know, they got 226 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,800 Sarkeesian who brought the program back. 227 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,560 Chris Peterson comes over from Boise State, has a really 228 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:53,280 successful tenure. And then they get Kaylin de 229 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,080 Boer. And you know, that like they 230 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,400 really didn't. I mean, I had Jimmy Lake in 231 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,960 there for one season, but that they didn't quite work as well 232 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:01,920 as I, you know, people would have hoped it would. 233 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,880 But it's it's fascinating, you know, because Washington is a 234 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,200 legitimate football brand. And they're also kind of by 235 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,760 themselves. You know, I mean, they're 236 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,040 they're four and a half five hours away from Washington 237 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,480 State. If they're closer to Oregon than 238 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,960 they are or maybe just as close, but they're by themselves. 239 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,360 They're in a big city and it's a city that loves football. 240 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,480 I mean, you look at the support that the Seahawks have and, you 241 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,880 know, Washington was really kind of the Ogs of that. 242 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,040 So they do have a, a really well resourced program, but you look 243 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,360 at what they've done so far this year and they've had the same 244 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,240 kind of inconsistencies that the rest of the PAC 12 schools have 245 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,280 had. And and except for Oregon, you 246 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,120 know, like, but USC is basically having the same season 247 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,120 Washington's had where they've had a couple of good wins, 248 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,400 including, you know, a win that looks worse every week now that 249 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,520 Michigan win that Washington pulled off, that looked like a 250 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,840 really good one at the time. But then they turn around and 251 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,320 they lose at Iowa 40 to 16. You know, they lost at Rutgers 252 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,160 on Friday night. They were the better team that 253 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,000 night, but Rutgers had the big plays and that ended up being 254 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,760 the win for them. You know, they they essentially 255 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,600 throttle Northwestern at home in their Big 10 opener. 256 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,600 And that was nice to see. But you know, they haven't 257 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,120 scored a ton of points against good competition so far. 258 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,320 Once they've gotten out of their the weak part of the non 259 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,280 conference. They they only score 19 points 260 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,000 against Washington State. They score 24 against 261 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,120 Northwestern. They score 18 against Rutgers. 262 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,440 They score 27 against Michigan. But they needed some turnovers 263 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,200 from Michigan to be able to do that. 264 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,080 And then they only score 16 points on the road against Iowa. 265 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,400 So, you know, some of this is more of a macro thing. 266 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,760 It's like, yes, you're building, but you're also playing, I 267 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,800 think, a different caliber of competition in the Big 10 than 268 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,600 what they were facing in the PAC 12. 269 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,160 That's not to denigrate Washington or their 270 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,120 accomplishments the last couple of years, but it's clear just 271 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,960 from what's happened to USC, there's a lot more depth and a 272 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,080 lot harder physical style of play than what these PAC 12 273 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,560 teams were generally used to. Again, with the exception of 274 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:02,840 Oregon, who kind of recruits on a different level than everybody 275 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,000 else. Yeah, yeah. 276 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,120 No. And I think, you know, the the 277 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:12,040 comparison you could draw to is the defensive coordinator at USC 278 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,040 and he came over from UCLA. And so, you know, UCLA had a 279 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,400 really effective defense last season. 280 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,640 You would expect that the translate to USC. 281 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,840 And I don't think it really has the way that they were hoping it 282 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,120 would. And I think a lot of that does 283 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,240 have to come does come from the transition into the Big 10. 284 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,120 But I think, you know, even yeah, that that was that was the 285 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,920 big thing I was watching coming into this season was just how 286 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,240 how does how does how do the PAC 12 teams deal with these these 287 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,600 Big 10 teams that play, you know, a pretty different brand 288 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,800 of football. And I think Washington's one of 289 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,080 those teams that you really see it affecting the the way that 290 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,200 they're performing. Yeah. 291 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,800 Let's dive into some of their individual numbers like what is 292 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,520 what makes this team tick? I would, I would tell everybody 293 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,640 if you like what you're hearing here, subscribe to bite sized 294 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,360 bison on sub stack bite sized bison dot substack.com. 295 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,960 It's a very reasonable amount of money. 296 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,040 If you love IU football, if you love stats, or even if you're 297 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,520 just curious about what's going on under the hood, Don't fall 298 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,280 into the trap of relying on traditional statistics to try to 299 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,960 understand what's going on in football. 300 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,520 You need this information. Let's dive into that 301 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,360 information. So right now, Indiana, a 73% 302 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:25,760 favorite in S&P Plus an 84% favorite in FPI, what accounts 303 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,000 for that difference? Yes. 304 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,760 So the difference is FPI they run like I think it's 20,000 305 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,480 simulations. I think that is slightly 306 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:38,240 differing from SP Plus's resume based approach. 307 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,560 And so I, I think, you know, IU wins, what would you say 84 308 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,720 percent, 84% of those simulated games against Washington. 309 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,520 And I think a lot of that just has to do with the way that the 310 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,160 teams match up and and the way that we're going to talk. 311 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,240 And it's also travel that travel that fits into it too. 312 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,160 And, and we've already in the morning, Washington having to 313 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,840 play at 9:00 in the morning body time. 314 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,000 They've had to do this now twice it 2, two games in a row. 315 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,960 They had a week off for the bye week last week, but they'd go to 316 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,520 Iowa for a noon kick and that did not turn out well for them. 317 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,120 They they really struggled with that. 318 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,960 And we've seen now, as I think the stat was earlier, it is hard 319 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,760 for these teams to travel. We saw it with USC last week and 320 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,640 that wasn't even a morning game for them, but they travel to 321 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,800 Maryland and they lose that game. 322 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,600 It's been very hard for teams to crisscross the country 323 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,120 effectively on either side. There has been a couple of 324 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,880 exceptions, like Penn State winning at USC, Indiana winning 325 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,000 at UCLA, but it's still a dominant issue and it seems to 326 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,360 be affecting the PAC 12 schools maybe a little bit more. 327 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,520 Yeah, yeah. I always heard the science that 328 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,160 going was it going West to east is harder to do anyway. 329 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,800 So maybe that hasn't to do with it. 330 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,920 Yeah, I mean, you know, if, if I hop in the plane, you know, and 331 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,880 I go visit like, you know, my my villa in Los Angeles, like I 332 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,200 can, I can do all that land there and still feel pretty good 333 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,800 for most of the day. If I'm flying this direction and 334 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,360 I have to like get up at, you know, much earlier time that I 335 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:59,640 would like to, I'm all screwed up. 336 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,800 So I think that's part of it. But yeah, it's so so it's it's 337 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,599 baked in there. But if you look at purely the 338 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:09,400 resume, 73% win probability for Indiana in this game and 339 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,280 projected to win 32 to 22. So about a 10 point margin. 340 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,599 Now the line has been pretty steady all week at 6 1/2. 341 00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:19,960 And just a reminder for everybody, betting lines are not 342 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,960 you need you can look at the betting line as the way that 343 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,040 Vegas is trying to interpolate what would be the middle like 344 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,520 where would it like, you know, if if if we were looking at this 345 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,320 game, how do we get betters on both sides? 346 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,800 That's really what that comes down to. 347 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,320 But we can kind of extrapolate from that that if you look at it 348 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,240 perceptionally, they're looking at Rourke is about a three 3 1/2 349 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,920 point factor, which I don't know if that's, if I'm, I'm surprised 350 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,760 that it's not more than that or, or or if that's tied into the 351 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,160 opponent that they're playing here. 352 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,440 But that has been factored into the equation and why the line's 353 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,120 a little bit lower than what S&P Plus is projecting now. 354 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,120 Clearly one of the big impacts, let's stick with Indiana to 355 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,880 start with here is you know, Indiana's the number one most 356 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,200 successful team in the passing game in the country. 357 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,360 They're 7th in the rush. But no one knows exactly how 358 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:12,680 Tavin Jackson at quarterback operates for a full game. 359 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,000 We we liked what we saw out of him, certainly in the 360 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,040 second-half. I was actually watching the the 361 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,680 replay this morning and I was really impressed with some of 362 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,160 the throws that he was making, not just the the over the 363 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,920 shoulder throw to to Elijah Sarat, but some of the other 364 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,200 throws that I was seeing him make. 365 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,280 I was like, this is actually really impressive and it looked 366 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,480 like they didn't skip a beat. If they get that, then maybe the 367 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,440 6 1/2 point spread is too low and maybe Indiana should be 368 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,360 favored by more, because I'm having a hard time seeing 369 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:43,960 Washington's defense be able to slow down the efficiency that 370 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,320 Indiana's been playing with on offense up to this point. 371 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:47,920 Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. 372 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,720 I, I want to add that I put money on Indiana's total point. 373 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,240 They're, they're total, the team total at at least 35 points. 374 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,560 That that's the, that's the one that I kind of drew for myself. 375 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,200 But the but yeah, the efficiency is, is insane. 376 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,080 And I think, you know, it's just because of their multiplicity on 377 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,080 offense and, and their balance and kind of, you know, I've 378 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,240 mentioned this in the preview too, is like, you know, how, how 379 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,000 committed are they going to be to that balance if they find a 380 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,600 lot of success on the on the ground game against Washington's 381 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,200 defense, which teams have done, as Zach pointed that out on your 382 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:27,160 most, your recent podcast, you know, do they stick with the run 383 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:31,240 because teams have generally been going 25 passes, 35 rushes 384 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,920 against this Washington team. And I, I could see Indiana, you 385 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,440 know, going that way. That's not too far out of 386 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,680 balance. But also at the same time, they 387 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,000 any sort of metric or any sort of statistical advantage just 388 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,480 has not mattered for this offense. 389 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,240 Nobody can stop Mike Shanahan from doing what he wants to do. 390 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,080 And and so, you know, plugging Tavan into that is like he he 391 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,680 adds athleticism. He maybe lacks some of the 392 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,280 cerebral aspects of the offense that Curtish work has simply 393 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,160 from being so experienced and also. 394 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,280 Being good at his position, but also spending more time and reps 395 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,240 and practice. And but he seemed and Taven 396 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,680 seems to have really good relationships with the 397 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,320 receivers. And you know, like you were 398 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,040 saying, I he would talk about how you didn't recognize him 399 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,560 playing on the field at one point. 400 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,840 And I did the same thing until he threw that touchdown pass, I 401 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,080 think it was to Elijah Sarat. And I was like, I was like 402 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,360 Dwight Haven through that. Yeah. 403 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,320 And and so I was like, oh, wow. You know, he he looks, he looks 404 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,480 really good out there. And I think the fact that, you 405 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,600 know, you and I both did not recognize that it wasn't Curtis 406 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,480 Rourke is a good sign. But, you know, he's always had 407 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,400 the arm talent. It's always been, you know, 408 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,280 getting him into a system that caters to his strengths. 409 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,200 Last year, they really struggle with that, except for the 410 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,920 Louisville game for some reason. And we saw what happened and and 411 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,320 he looked great, you know, especially when he's pushing the 412 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,920 ball down field. But if he can, you know, I don't 413 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,440 know if he's going to be like a super, you know, dangerous 414 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,360 running threat like a lot of people think he might be with 415 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:06,040 the RPO, but he'll run more than Curtis work more than likely. 416 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,040 And you know, that'll that'll help with the the rushing attack 417 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,320 as well. But yeah, no, just the, I don't, 418 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:17,920 I don't know if the efficiency will take a hit like because 419 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,560 this OK, so I have this graphic that that that I've used 420 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,800 multiple times in talking about the quarterbacks with the staff. 421 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,720 And, and it's it's it looks at the quarterbacks that came into 422 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,120 their starting positions during the five seasons that this staff 423 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:33,680 was at the IT was at James Madison. 424 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,440 And every time in all the one were transfers, by the way. 425 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,640 And so every time they ended up getting a PFF grade of like, I 426 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,080 think Jordan McLeod had the lowest, which is really saying 427 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,720 something. No kidding. 908990 Like Ben 428 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:54,200 Denucci, Todd Santeo, Cole Johnson, all those guys, they 429 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,960 just had this like insane growth from where they came from to 430 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,920 James Madison, this starting quarterbacks. 431 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,480 And so just like putting Taven, they know how to cater to a 432 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,040 quarterbacks strengths. And so putting Taven Jackson 433 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,200 into that offense is going to be I, I don't think it will skip a 434 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,000 beat. I, you know, it, it's 435 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,320 interesting too, because if you think about the running game in 436 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,720 particular and how that plays in, I mean, Tavin Jackson is 437 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,520 first and foremost the the thrower, but it does add another 438 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:26,600 dimension there as well. And you may not need it because 439 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,840 ultimately, Justice Ellison, Tyson Lawton have really kind of 440 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,840 established themselves as, as, you know, kind of the fire and 441 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,760 ice combo with this. I mean, Ellison looks like he 442 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,720 gets stronger every game. But so much of that stems from 443 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,600 the offensive line and their ability to block. 444 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,880 And this becomes maybe Indiana's biggest advantage in this game, 445 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,880 the ability, if we look at what they did against Nebraska, 446 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,080 A-Team whose strength was supposed to be the defensive 447 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,600 line. And you know, the Red Sea 448 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,040 comment about these huge holes being opened up, I mean, 449 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,880 Washington's got to really be like, how are they scheming 450 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,520 against that is going to be a big part of of their planning 451 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,000 coming into this contest because this Indiana offensive line 452 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,520 clearly knows what they're doing, believes they're going to 453 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,400 hit those blocks. And Indiana could rush for like, 454 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,200 you know, like they would have no problems rushing for three 455 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,040 hundred 350 yards if that was available to them. 456 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,720 I think they probably prefer to do it, especially in a game like 457 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,840 this, you know, So that's that is something that I think 458 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,720 everybody needs to keep an eye on as we move forward. 459 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,840 Yeah, yeah. On the other hand, I do think 460 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,680 that this watching defense is good. 461 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,480 Like, you know, they, they are, they're built from the outside 462 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,600 and, you know, because Steven Belichick and his natural 463 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,160 tendencies for defensive backs, they have a really strong 464 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,000 secondary. Their, their defensive backs 465 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,600 are, are, are probably the best as a, as a collective group in, 466 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,600 in the big 10. And I mean, they haven't really 467 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,720 played an offense that can throw like Indiana can, but, you know, 468 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,200 we'll, we'll see how that goes this week. 469 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,000 But they do have some talent along the defensive line too. 470 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,320 And, and they've caused havoc on the defensive line 1. 471 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,640 I think they're like a top six team in defensive line havoc in 472 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,120 the big 10. And so, you know, it just, yeah, 473 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:10,640 it just when we were talking about it like traveling and and 474 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,600 you know how difficult that's going to be, but it just kind of 475 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:18,360 shows, you know, when Washington is on, they're really on and and 476 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,160 that could, you know, make this a competitive game. 477 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,680 But if they're not on, I think this this gets out of hand. 478 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,680 But yeah, yeah, the offensive line is, I use offensive line as 479 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,600 insane, just that I can't believe the difference from last 480 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,920 year to this year and from two years ago to this year. 481 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,680 Yeah, it it's one of the underrated stories about this 482 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,760 whole thing with Indiana is just how not to. 483 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,640 I mean, solid is not doing them enough justice how well they're 484 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,480 playing, but it's out of nowhere. 485 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,480 I mean, really. And I mean, just all credit to 486 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,720 Bob Bostad and and to, you know, to to Mike Katie kind of 487 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,360 anchoring things. I mean, him coming back was 488 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:58,280 huge. And just the the way they've 489 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,680 been able to cobble these pieces together. 490 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,200 I mean, we talked a lot in the preseason about how that was a 491 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,640 real concern area and that has been maybe the least concerning 492 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,280 area. Not that there've been many 493 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,640 concerning areas at all, but have we even talked about 494 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,360 negative things with the offensive line so far this 495 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:13,760 season? No, no, you know, there's slight 496 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,640 regression for Drew Evans at the beginning of the season, but 497 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,720 it's leveled out and he's he's, you know, he's holding down the 498 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,840 bottom the floor of the offensive line and former walk 499 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,040 on. And he's, you know, grading I 500 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,680 think in like the top 25% of guards and FBS and that's all 501 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,280 you can ask for out of him. Absolutely. 502 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,080 That's yeah, he's great. I mean, they're, they're, 503 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,640 they're humming. The other aspect that I think is 504 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,320 going to be interesting is like, what does Indiana try to do in 505 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,800 the passing game? I mean, I, I don't think that 506 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,040 they're just going to run. They, they enjoy those chunk 507 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,080 plays that they're getting. They enjoy, you know, being able 508 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,240 to move the ball at will. And I going back and watching 509 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,400 the Nebraska game, it's you really start to get a sense of 510 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,560 how much they love peeling off those 12 yard plays. 511 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,920 And they're, you know, it is it is an open question about until 512 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,040 we see it for a whole game, how well Taven Jackson can place his 513 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,800 throws the way that Curtis Rourke does. 514 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,600 And also, maybe more importantly, how good is Tavan 515 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,200 at adjusting at the line of scrimmage and making the right 516 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,440 calls on the on the RPO's and figuring out where he's going to 517 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,560 put the ball. But I'm, I'm interested to see 518 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,240 like what Indiana decides to do because the, the, the strength 519 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,760 of Washington's defense, as you mentioned, is the secondary and 520 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,480 you know, you get the number one most efficient passing attack in 521 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,120 the country versus the number 9 most efficient pass defense in 522 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,760 the country. Now we said that last week about 523 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,480 the running game versus Nebraska and we saw what gave there. 524 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:45,160 So again, it's just like I is, is that number for the the 525 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,520 Washington defensive product of them having played teams that 526 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,640 can't pass the ball particularly well Because I, I think we've by 527 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,080 this point got enough evidence that Indiana's offense from a 528 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,560 past perspective is legit. Yeah, I think that the team that 529 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,280 they played this season, Washington has played this 530 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,480 season that is the most effective in the passing games 531 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,040 probably Washington State and they I think they're like 23rd 532 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,240 and and passing yards per game. And also SP plus has them as the 533 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:16,440 17th best offense, Washington State and they completed only 534 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,240 50% of their passes against Washington. 535 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,080 So I think they're, I think they are an effective pass defense. 536 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,960 It's just that they from first of all, they've they've played 537 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,720 teams that just can't pass the ball. 538 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,040 Like all four Big 10 teams they've played are bottom 6 in 539 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,720 the conference in EPA per pass. And so the, you know, that's 540 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,200 just not been just testing them hasn't been available. 541 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,800 So, you know, what does that look like? 542 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,680 I, you know, I don't know. I, I don't, I don't think we do 543 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,720 know. And so that'll be, that'd be 544 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,480 interesting to see. But yeah, like you said, they're 545 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,960 not just going to run the ball. They're definitely going to pass 546 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,600 the ball. We might see messy Elijah Sarat, 547 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,760 you know, struggle a bit more than he has on the perimeter 548 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:55,840 because that's where their strengths are. 549 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,960 And Thaddeus Dixon, the cornerback, is extremely good. 550 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,160 Best reception rate in the country among Victor in the Big 551 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:09,520 10 amongst cornerbacks. And so, yeah, I think, you know, 552 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,720 it might be another one of those games where they just have to 553 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,240 have complex passing concepts. Not that not not complex for the 554 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,240 quarterback to understand, but more just things that really 555 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,560 build off of each other and, and, you know, using the running 556 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,560 game then to build those, those, those routes to, to become open. 557 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,600 We saw some of that in, in the game against Nebraska too. 558 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,600 Like the there's one, I don't know, you know, I don't know if 559 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,440 you know about Dan Casey on Twitter. 560 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,440 He's like a football scheme guy. I, I really like him. 561 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:47,120 He he pointed out a play that Indiana ran last week that was 562 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,440 an RPO triple option. And then at the last second 563 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,520 before running, I don't think he was ever going to run, but 564 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,720 Curtis Rourke pulled up and threw to his right. 565 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,320 Yeah, it was a short. Just to I know that that was a 566 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,000 touchdown pass on the Yeah, I remember that. 567 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,880 I, I remember hearing that at the moment. 568 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,840 I was like, oh, that was nice. The run game actually set up 569 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,000 that pass and I think we might see some of that this this week 570 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,760 because that's the best way you get a good secondary out of out 571 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,120 of position and Nebraska has a decent secondary too. 572 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,160 Yeah, exactly. Well, that's the thing. 573 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,360 It's like it's, I think you have to prepare mentally for the best 574 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,080 that your opponent might throw at you. 575 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,000 And then when that doesn't happen, it's like, well, why? 576 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,080 Like how did we get to that point where it didn't happen? 577 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,920 I think with Nebraska, I'm still trying to figure out exactly why 578 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,920 they played so poorly. You know, because it was like 579 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,360 the game they could have gotten back into the game if they'd 580 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,760 scored in the at the beginning of the second-half and then it 581 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,080 just became a freight train in the opposite direction for them. 582 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,600 That rule said he thought they were prepared. 583 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,800 Well, I'd say something about that rule. 584 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,520 Then. Let's switch sides of the ball 585 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,880 so Washington, you know, the the kind of the core of their 586 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,160 offense is Will Rogers transfer quarterback from Mississippi 587 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,520 State was has been very accurate so far this year, 72.2% 588 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,320 completion percentage thrown for 18120 yards, 13 touchdowns, 2 589 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,520 interceptions. He has not been the problem with 590 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,920 the offense and it's been impressive and and not 591 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,840 surprising, I guess. I mean, Rogers got great 592 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,360 tutelage at Mississippi State, played, you know, was brought 593 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:22,200 there by by Mike Leach originally and and certainly had 594 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,360 a great season pass for almost 4000 yards back in 2022. 595 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,760 Missed a lot of last year, but it's four games last year. 596 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,200 So didn't have quite as good of a season. 597 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,040 But, you know, you look at the rest of this Washington offense 598 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,200 and you know, they're probably thinking, well, I'm glad we're 599 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,960 playing Indiana because the secondary is the the weakest 600 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,720 part of the defense, relatively speaking, and they're going to 601 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,400 have to exploit that if they're going to try to have success in 602 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,040 this contest. Yeah, yeah, this is exactly why 603 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,960 I said that. This kind of reminds me of a 604 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,080 less effective 2019 Indiana team because the offensive line for 605 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,080 Washington is just so bad. They're they're tackle pairing 606 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,520 has allowed the most quarterback pressures of any tackle pairing 607 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,800 in the country. So that means, you know, Mikael 608 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,040 Camaro, who basically pass rushes every snap, is going to 609 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:14,200 be hunting Will Rogers all game. And you know, they like, it's so 610 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,400 bad Galen, that Jonah Coleman, I think Jonah Coleman's going to 611 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,400 play in the NFL. Fantastic running back cannot go 612 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,520 to the left because they can't block on the left side of the 613 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,480 line. And like only 17% of his rushes 614 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,920 go to the left. And so the do you know that 615 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,360 that's that's really their hindrance? 616 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,640 But like you were saying, like scheming around a poor offensive 617 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:41,040 line requires a good quarterback and and also talented receivers, 618 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,280 which they have as well. I think Denzel Boston's going to 619 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,440 have a chance to play in the NFL by the end of his Washington 620 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,320 career. Giles Jackson's going to get a 621 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,680 chance. He was part of that national 622 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,840 championship team last year and it was really important when I 623 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,240 think it was Jalen McMillan was hurt. 624 00:31:53,520 --> 00:32:02,080 And you know what, this the when it kind of reminds me of when 625 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,440 Indiana played Maryland and Maryland's strength of their 626 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,200 defense was their defensive line and the goal was to just get 627 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,840 behind that defensive line. I think that's what Washington's 628 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,880 going to try. They're going to use screens. 629 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,440 They're going to use check down passes. 630 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:23,320 They're going to use, you know, complex mesh of the routes and 631 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,680 and, you know, mix and match what they're doing. 632 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,480 But I think, you know, it's going to be, it's going to put 633 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,360 pressure on on, on the IU secondary for sure. 634 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,680 Jonah Coleman, you mentioned earlier now I did a podcast 635 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,680 yesterday with, with Brandon Boyd, who has a podcast does 636 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,280 Washington Athletics and he said Jonah Coleman's on like a snap 637 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,760 count limit, according to Jen Fish, like 1515 rushes in this 638 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,560 game, which that's great because I, I mean, that's a guy who's 639 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,440 rushing for 6.8 yards of carry and has five touchdowns and 640 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,240 almost 100 yards of game so far. They don't really have a lot 641 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,880 behind him. You've got Cameron Davis, Damond 642 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,720 Williams and Adam Mohammed. Those are the only other 3 643 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,520 running backs that have exceeded triple digits and none of them 644 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,880 have more than 185 yards. And so if they're really going 645 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,520 to hold Coleman back, that really does handcuff 646 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,400 Washington's offense in a lot of ways because you're just, you 647 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,880 don't have to take them quite as seriously if he's not getting 648 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,120 the ball. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 649 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,760 It allows, you know, they're still going to be the the the 650 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,720 way that this defensive line for Indiana really runs is like they 651 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,240 just pin their ears back and they just go at the offensive 652 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,600 line. I mean, obviously it's it's not 653 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,360 just like pure aggression, but that they are going to be 654 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,000 attacking every snap. So they're not really 655 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,640 necessarily sitting back, but the linebackers will and and 656 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,800 that'll be that'll be significant to in coverage. 657 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,320 But the yeah, no, absolutely that Jonah Coleman. 658 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,480 I mean, he, he is, he's so insane. 659 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,240 He he only trails Boise State running back was Ashton Jean. 660 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,600 How do you pronounce his last name? 661 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,800 Genti. I think it's Genti. 662 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,760 Genti Ashton, genti you. Can tell we did a lot of 663 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,280 research on Boise State before the podcast all. 664 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:11,080 I know is Cam Camper, but the, the he, he, he averages the 665 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,400 second most yards after contact per rush behind Ashton Genti. 666 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,600 And that is an insane stat because the reason he does that 667 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,239 is because their offensive line is so bad. 668 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,679 And so he everything he's he's gaining, you know, he gained 79% 669 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:30,679 of his yards after contact. And so, you know, that really 670 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,440 bodes well because like you were saying, there's not a Jonah 671 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,239 Coleman behind Jonah Coleman. So you know this if, if you can 672 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,960 get the running back on the ground, which other teams have 673 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,920 not been able to, you can really hold back this Washington team, 674 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,760 which can move the ball. They're like 18th in conversion 675 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,040 rate. The so the other aspect of this 676 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,159 is going to be interesting. It's like the the way that 677 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:57,120 they're going to try to approach their offensive flow and what 678 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,480 Indiana tries. I mean, the, the idea that 679 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,560 Indiana is going to force a bunch of of turnovers is 680 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,640 probably not going to happen. And and yet like Washington 681 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,160 can't really dink and dunk their way down the field the whole 682 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,640 time. And the other aspect is this is 683 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,720 a worse special teams team than Nebraska was. 684 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:17,160 And Nebraska was real bad. And you know, what it looks like 685 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,720 from the statistics is that comes from really two things. 686 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,560 One, their field goal kicker is not very good. 687 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,560 He's he's missed 7 out of the 17 attempts that he's had so far 688 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,480 this year. And they also get almost no 689 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,800 yardage on punt returns. I think they're averaging like 6 690 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,880 1/2 yards a punt return. So you're and, and, and even on 691 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,560 kickoff returns, I think they're only averaging like 21 yards 692 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,240 when I don't know why they're choosing to bring it out if 693 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,920 they're only averaging 21 yards of punt or kick returns. 694 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,840 So they're not getting great field position. 695 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,760 They're not. And they're not able to trust 696 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,600 their kicker. And we saw what they did the 697 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,640 Nebraska last week where, you know, Nebraska, instead of 698 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,560 kicking the field goal to, you know, be down seven to three, I 699 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,360 think it was, ends up going for it. 700 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,040 They lose the ball. Indiana drives down the field 701 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,440 and scores. And it completely changed the 702 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,240 complexion of the game from that point forward. 703 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,600 So Washington almost has extra pressure on their offense. 704 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,920 If they don't convert, they get themselves in positions where 705 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,320 they're going to struggle to put points on the board. 706 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,840 Yeah, the crazy thing is Galen that, you know, maybe they can't 707 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,960 trust their kicker, but they've certainly been going to him a 708 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,200 lot. He leads the he leads the 709 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,520 conference in attempts like at 17 and and he has only made 10. 710 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,520 And so, so in a big part of that is because their offensive line 711 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,960 is so bad, because they're so bad after they break into 712 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,200 opponent territory, they are sorry, I forget the forget the 713 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,560 figure, but they are what is it 102nd in the country and EPA 714 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,800 after their opponent's 40 yard line and they just can't move 715 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,560 the ball once the field gets tighter. 716 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,640 And even with Jonah Coleman. And so you know, the that that 717 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,360 bodes well for Indiana because Washington is really good in 718 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,680 early downs that that is that's where their offense thrives. 719 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,600 And Indiana has been really good about getting opponents into 720 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,440 third down situations. I remember last that against 721 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,640 Nebraska, it just seemed like we were standing up all the time. 722 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,120 I mean, I was constantly standing. 723 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,400 Everybody else was standing up. I felt bad because there were 724 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,240 people behind me. I'm like I'm blocking your view. 725 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,800 But no, the we were standing up for 3rd downs and constantly 726 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,760 and, and I was like, like, wow, this is, this is not good for 727 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,160 Nebraska. They were converting quite a few 728 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,240 of them. But you know, the, yeah, getting 729 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,520 them in 3rd down situation is going to be really important 730 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,720 because, you know, they don't have they're, they're not, they, 731 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,400 they don't have a kicker that can really, you know, execute 732 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,600 like you were saying, because Nebraska, yeah, it actually, it 733 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,480 really did affect the game. When you know that, you know, 734 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,640 they're not going to look to their kicker, then it's like, 735 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,160 OK, wow. You know, you you really can 736 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,240 prepare for these four down series. 737 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,120 So I guess as we wrap up, you know, we, we've talked a lot 738 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,360 about the keys for Indiana. You know what I'd maybe like to 739 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:08,600 finish on is everything has gone right for Indiana in these games 740 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,480 eventually. And I, you know, what I'm really 741 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,080 curious about is, you know, how, how much of a chance do you 742 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,880 think Indiana has to jump on Washington very early in this 743 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,280 game? Because I do feel like there's 744 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,960 going to be a game that comes down the Pike eventually where 745 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,160 Indiana doesn't grind their opponents into a paste like they 746 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,320 have here, you know, and, and in a situation where you've got it 747 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,200 back and forth and Indiana's having to constantly put points 748 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,960 on the board, I still like them. But I do wonder, like, you know, 749 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,360 you don't want to mess around with a Washington team that 750 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,000 still has a lot of talented players. 751 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,880 Like, can they go out and really just set the tone early like 752 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,920 they did in the Nebraska game? You know that that to me, seems 753 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,160 like one of the big keys for Indiana, just in general, is to 754 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,720 grab that momentum and not let Washington have any of it. 755 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,720 Yeah, yeah, No, I mean, I I agree. 756 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:03,880 And and it's, it's, it's tough to know, you know, it like it's, 757 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,640 I guess it's kind of baked into Indiana's identity at this point 758 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,360 is that they they script those first drives so effectively. 759 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,240 And and the that's also reflected in their in game 760 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,120 adjustments. I think Mike Shanahan, 761 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,680 particularly on offense is just really a really smart coach. 762 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,360 I think he has a bright a bright future ahead of him. 763 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,880 But yeah, I mean, like you were saying, you don't want to mess 764 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,680 around and let Washington stay in this game. 765 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,760 There's like, there's too much talent, there's too much 766 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,160 football knowledge. You know, it's it's honestly a 767 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,360 lot, a lot like Indiana in a lot of ways. 768 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,720 And and especially in like the the young up and coming 769 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,120 coordinators and and things along those lines. 770 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,080 I mean, that's you. I mean, Stephen Belichick's not 771 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,080 exactly up and coming, but. You know, he's got that that 772 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,480 young man's got to make a name for. 773 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,400 Himself too. OK. 774 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,880 But, you know, I I think that, yeah, I think this, I think 775 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,280 there's a very real chance that this is their toughest. 776 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,720 Like once, once we're in the game on the field. 777 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,040 This might be their toughest game yet if if they let a 778 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,320 Washington team hang around. So I think it really does kind 779 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,880 of hinge on that beginning. I guess the flip side, because 780 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,880 you said that on on X and people got mad at you because 781 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,920 Washington lost 40 to 16 to Iowa. 782 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,360 You know, I do think it's interesting kind of looking back 783 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,640 at that game and and how it went. 784 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,120 You know, Iowa started with a punt. 785 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,680 They they were three and out and then Washington drove down the 786 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,680 field 14 plays, 73 yards, missed a field goal going back to what 787 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,720 we were talking about. And then Iowa scored a touchdown 788 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:42,200 on an 80 yard drive, but then Washington pegged him back 77. 789 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,960 All right. Then they forced Iowa into 790 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,560 another three and out. Then Washington fumble on the 791 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,840 next drive. Then Iowa kicks a field goal. 792 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,760 Like you have to get like it was 1710 Iowa at the end of the 793 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,440 first half. So it was a, it was a close 794 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,600 game, but then, you know, essentially from there, 795 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,560 Washington disintegrated interception to start the 796 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,360 second-half, turnover on downs on their next Dr. turnover on 797 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,920 downs on the drive after that, turnover on downs on the drive 798 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,960 after that. And then they finally score a 799 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,840 touchdown on a long drive. I mean, 17 plays, 75 yards down, 800 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,840 40 to 10:00, and they end up scoring a touchdown. 801 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,160 I don't know if they missed the extra point or went for two. 802 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,400 They they troubled in for two and they missed it. 803 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,240 But that's an illustration of what I'm talking about. 804 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:34,440 Like they they were in that game at halftime and then suddenly it 805 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,040 got away from them. And it's actually not too 806 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,360 different from what happened in the Michigan game. 807 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,960 That one didn't get away from them. 808 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,840 They got a couple of opportunistic things at the end 809 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,880 and they were able to to pick up the victory. 810 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,840 Tough assignment on the road. And I think for the first time, 811 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,880 Memorial Stadium is a weapon that you can use against your 812 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,160 opponents. So we're talking about that with 813 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,200 Mitchell Page last night. And it's like, it's weird to 814 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,920 think about Memorial Stadium is a factor, and yet I think it's 815 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,480 going to be a factor. Not as I mean, Kinnick is a kind 816 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,320 of on a different level. If you've never been there, you 817 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,040 you know what I mean. But Memorial Stadium last week, 818 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,080 that was intimidating. I don't know if you listened to 819 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:14,120 Sean Asbury's interview with Rhett Lewis on I. 820 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,800 Haven't had a chance. Yet he talked, they Rhett Lewis 821 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,040 asked him about the environment and and the Nebraska game and he 822 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,400 because Sean Asbury started with Boston College. 823 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,520 So he's been in ACC environments and he said it was the the 824 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,840 loudest game that he's been at. And and that's kind of it's kind 825 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,240 of wild because, you know, Memorial Stadium is like half 826 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:34,520 the size of some of those this one of the biggest stadiums and 827 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,760 and to be that loud, that's. It is, but you know, but again, 828 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,600 it's like weirdly, the way they did the construction and the way 829 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,080 they enclosed both ends and the way that the sides come up and 830 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,680 the fact that all the sound is essentially ricocheting off the 831 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,480 turf and then back on to the stands. 832 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,560 It's always been a little more intimate. 833 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,720 You know, I mean, as much as I love the big house, as much as I 834 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:58,320 have enjoyed going to like Penn State, the the, the shapes are 835 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,040 just different and, and the the sound carries in a different 836 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,280 way. And you can have a really loud 837 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,280 52,053 and it's like Mackie Arena is insanely loud in 838 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,760 basketball, sometimes louder than Assembly Hall, despite 839 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,040 having essentially 3500 fewer people in it. 840 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,200 I think it is. And so it's not unheard of. 841 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,240 And I expect IU fans to be in full voice once again for this 842 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:21,680 one. Maybe not as full voice, it says 843 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,040 Nebraska because Nebraska's a little better known, like brand 844 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,160 name to go against. But I think people will get up 845 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,400 for Washington as well. And all the other items going 846 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,240 alongside at this weekend are going to help add into that. 847 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,640 I don't know if you saw Mike Pennix. 848 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,920 Yeah, I saw that. He said he wanted Washington to 849 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,720 win. I mean, it makes sense, yeah. 850 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,800 I don't know anybody here anymore. 851 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,840 Blame them for that, you know? But yeah, I think there's a 852 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,760 there's a little, there's a little juice in this one. 853 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,720 I think for for Indiana against Washington. 854 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:53,280 And it's the just the weird like Indiana connections to 855 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,600 Washington and stuff. I just think that, you know, 856 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,360 people, people know Washington. A lot of IU fans were watching 857 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,520 Washington last year. So it'll it's interesting, 858 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,600 especially with, I mean, Jed Fish was tied to this job 859 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:08,000 opening and, and, and there was a name being being thrown around 860 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,640 before they hired Curtis Ignati. And so, you know, and I talked 861 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,720 about this in the preview too, that these these two programs 862 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:16,640 just in really kind of unprecedented positions at the 863 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,520 same time and that you know, is basically Arizona Light and 864 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:21,760 James Madison. Right I. 865 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,360 Know and and I think they're going to be tied for the next 866 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,560 few years. So this is kind of the first 867 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,080 plot point there in that, you know, it's it's there, it's it's 868 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,720 the the first meeting in the in two year ones. 869 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,280 They both hired new coaches and both accepted these transplanted 870 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,000 systems. And I just, I find the whole 871 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,760 game just extremely interesting. There's a lot of different ways 872 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,560 to to do a lot of different entry points into this game. 873 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,280 Absolutely should be a lot of fun to watch and we're looking 874 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,960 forward to being there in person to watch it and then we will 875 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,400 talk about it, of course afterwards. 876 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,600 Taylor, as always, a pleasure to have you on the show and I 877 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,120 appreciate your insights as always and we'll look forward to 878 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,680 doing this again next week. Yeah, thanks for having me on. 879 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,520 Yeah, that sounds great. Thanks to all you folks for 880 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,040 tuning in. Just a reminder folks, we will 881 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,480 not have a recorded podcast on Friday, but we will be live at 882 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,080 the Upstairs Pub from 5:00 to 6:00 PM. 883 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,320 Got some special guests joining us for that hour as we get ready 884 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,480 for the weekend. Tied in with home field apparel 885 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,200 over there as well. So that'll be a lot of fun. 886 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,680 So be sure if you can. If you're in Bloomington, stop 887 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,520 by the Upstairs Pub 5:00 to 6:00. 888 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,440 I will be there and I will look forward to talking with you. 889 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,920 And also reminder, we will have our normal recap podcast from 890 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,440 the weekend coming up on Sunday. You can check that out on 891 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,440 Crimson Cast. Subscribe to the sub stack 892 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,080 crimsoncast.substack.com. It's free and you can get your 893 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,680 podcast episode delivered right to your e-mail address. 894 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,320 For Taylor Lehmann, I'm Galen Clavio, thanks for joining us 895 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,920 here on the show. Indiana plays this Saturday at 896 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,560 noon on Big 10 Network game day in town. 897 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,920 Should be a lot of fun. We'll catch you folks. 898 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,600 On the flip side, bring back the Bison. 899 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,760 Stay never daunted. So long, everybody.