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Welcome back to Crimson Cask ale
and clivia Scott Caulfield here.

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It's Monday. 
The 20th of March they before 

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spring as the season about to 
turn over and The season is 

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over, at least for Indiana Men's
Basketball Hoosiers fall in the 

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second round of the NCAA 
tournament last night. 85, 269 

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the final score to the Miami 
Hurricanes. 

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The season ends at a record of 
23 and 12. 

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We're going to dive into all of 
that and talk about the game, 

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talk about what happened and 
talk a little bit about the 

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offseason will have some time to
go into that. 

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In a lot more detail is the next
few weeks role in. 

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As I think there's going to be 
Be a lot to talk about. 

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But for today, we're going to 
mostly focus on the end of the 

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season and try to put everything
into a little bit of 

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perspective. 
Scott, good to see you again and

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thanks for joining me. 
This this afternoon. 

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How are you doing? 
You're muted, first of all. 

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So I can't even hear you at this
point, man. 

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If there's a bad, if there's a 
metaphor for the way that I use 

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game went yesterday that might 
have did, how are you? 

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Officially, yes, I'm doing great
now. 

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It's funny. 
I hear that on pods my come on 

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man. 
You just you're better than 

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that. 
I'm doing the exact same thing 

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that it's doing. 
Well I will because people seem 

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to enjoy the the the 
neighborhood events that we do. 

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I've seen I've seen the things 
on Twitter. 

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It's great. 
My friends. 

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Enjoy it. 
My neighbor's. 

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Enjoy this Saturday. 
One of our neighbors hosted a 

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Seltzer tasting party. 
Oh wow. 

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They bought. 
They bought like white claws, 

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truely's High Nunes Budweiser 
Kirkland and so we did like a 

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blind taste testing of like all 
the mangoes, all the black 

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cherries and we rank them. 
It was fun. 

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It was Wow's, a lot of Seltzer. 
Did some like blind flavor 

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testing, but, you know, group 
of, you know, eight impartial 

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people high noon and white 
cloth. 

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Ranked the highest? 
We all, we all were hoping 

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Kirkland. 
We have a good run because you 

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can get right, double the 
Kirkland for the price of a 

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white claw, but no white cloth, 
high noon one, it, but that was 

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a, that was a fun night on 
Saturday watching basketball 

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In Westfield like, that's just 

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not just the test. 
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That's amazing. 

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So anyway, Scott, let's dive in 
talk about this game. 

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Indiana, it felt like three 
games honestly that happened in 

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one and it also felt to some 
degree like the season in 

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miniature Indiana came out. 
And immediately was on the back 

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foot, really looked like they 
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and out shot and out effort, 
'add row, and it was really 

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concerning Miami had a brilliant
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It was kind of like Fairleigh 
Dickinson's game plan against 

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Purdue but on steroids and 
Indiana. 

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Really just looked adrift for 
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half minutes of the game, was 
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Indiana. 
Made a nice run. 

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A 10-0, run got themselves. 
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him three but couldn't quite get
over the hump and it really kind

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of went back and forth. 
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to 10 and Deanna scored a couple
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closed. 
Got it to within five at half 

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time and I think most of us sat 
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that first half went, it seems 
like Indiana weathered the 

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storm. 
A five-point deficit at half 

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with the momentum going 
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I'll take that 100 times out of 
100 Indiana then strings 

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together. 
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the first half in the beginning 
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takes a lead. 
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just kind of like wow like Miami
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and a half minutes of game time 
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They figured out a way to take 
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themselves and that lasted for a
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And it really, you know, I would
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where Indiana had a couple of 
unfortunate possessions in a row

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where they Felt rightly that 
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attempts, tray Galloway's, layup
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got hit and the ball went out of
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Race Thompson, got fouled on a 
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called. 
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Like as much Scott as we talked 
about how the officiating in the

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NCAA tournament was going to 
help Indiana because all those 

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fouls that should have been 
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weren't. 
We're going to get called in the

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NCAA tournament. 
This crew DJ Carstensen and his 

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buddies made sure that no 
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basically allow Miami to play, 
like, Rutgers for this period of

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time. 
Indiana should have weathered 

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that storm. 
This is not an excuse, it's just

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an observation, they didn't and 
it allowed Miami to tie the game

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at 49 and then go on a 16-2 to 
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Reach. 
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made some bad decisions and 
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the The Verve left them in this 
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the initiative. 
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Miami. 
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And from there it basically was 
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I mean, it went from being 4947 
Indiana, 285 69 Miami by the end

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of the game, I mean, you can do 
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close the game and that was it 
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So there's a lot of different 
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this but I want to get your 
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first. 
Yeah, it's interesting. 

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Doing this the next day, the 
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to be pissed online. 
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reaction to that and I listened 
assembly call them, seems those 

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comments. 
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Like, you know, Doyle had the 
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quit and the genie of the team 
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like I am unhappy, we lost will 
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to me. 
It's like, if you've been 

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watching this team Throughout 
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This was not surprising that 
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I don't want to lose but I like 
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I wasn't shocked. 
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come out, you know, and say this
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It's just like this is what this
team has done multiple times 

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this year and a lot of times it 
happens when another coach or a 

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team puts us in a position where
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and a half or a and a half 
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And we just don't have a lot of,
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A lot of, you know, depth to go 
with other Options. 

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We have a lot of ability to do 
other things and when things 

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aren't working, they just aren't
working and things kind of fall 

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apart. 
And we put ourselves in bad 

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positions were able to call out 
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But sometimes it's too much and 
you know, like you said, it's 

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kind of a microcosm of the 
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This is a microcosm of one of 
those games like Penn State game

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in the Big Ten Tournament, like 
numerous other games this year, 

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where the team just didn't have 
it and the other the other team 

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had a better plan, our defense 
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And you know, it's so I'm kind 
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anger and annoyance that people 
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It's like it sucks. 
I would have loved to have won. 

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But you know I honestly kind of 
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going to end for this team and I
felt that way since like January

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and it's no knock on this team. 
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outside of that one little run 
of eight of nine which was 

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awesome. 
Since then they've not been able

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to consistently put multiple 
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able to play. 
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and I was hoping they'd be Be 
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would kind of work out and 
they'd get locked in. 

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But, you know, this, this was 
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like, it was going to end and it
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bummed, I'm sad, we'll talk 
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But I'm not angry or unhappy at 
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So I agree with a lot of that, 
there's some parts. 

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I don't let me try to. 
I've been trying to work out how

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to how to think about this 
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Doyle's column was was over the 
top, but it's a column its 

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Doyle. 
I mean, all, and you know, no 

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offense to Greg, but that's just
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You know, whatever. 
I think it was, it was unfair to

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say, the team quit. 
I don't think it was unfair to 

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say, the team got out worked 
and, and, and that was honestly,

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it's fascinating. 
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this team and you look at the 
the effort levels in certain 

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games, and you're like, this 
team could beat anybody in the 

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country. 
Country and, and the effort 

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levels like that it's, you know,
why they beat Kent State by 11? 

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They they played at a high 
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They worked more than Kent State
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It's why they beat Maryland in 
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tournament. 
It's why they beat Purdue twice.

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Sorry about the dogs in the 
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Everybody that's that's, Stuart,
guess that's Stuart doing is 

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police, dog bark. 
But then this game, honestly, 

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reminded me a lot of Arizona, it
reminded me a lot of Kansas. 

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It reminded me a lot of Rutgers 
it. 

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Find me a lot of the game at 
Penn State where this team will 

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get into certain games where 
they just. 

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It's like they're shocked at the
level of output that's coming 

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from the other team and it's 
very hard for them to pick 

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themselves back up off the 
carpet when they're in those 

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sorts of situations and you 
know, it's to me, I look at it 

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and I say to myself, This team 
as you said, has shown this 

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enough times that this sort of 
outcome shouldn't have been a 

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shock. 
I think it's a disappointment 

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given what was on the line given
that despite how athletic Miami 

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looked? 
I still don't think they're that

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good of a team and their results
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demonstrate that they're not as 
good of a team as they looked on

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on Sunday. 
And, and that really comes right

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back to this idea that Indiana 
didn't play as hard. 

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Hard or as well as they could 
have. 

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And that's ultimately why they 
lose and that? 

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I find disappointing. 
But I don't think the team quit.

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I know, you know, it's like you 
look at the the stat line and 

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you know I you had an OK game 
defensive or offensive ly you 

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know? 
I mean Trace Jackson Davis, 

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finish it, you know go 7 for 10 
from the field 9 for 11 from the

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the stripe. 
It's got eight rebounds, he's 

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got 23 points. 
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A new trophy know who's had bad 
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disappeared for entire games. 
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something in the second half, 
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the defense just was not up to 
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possessions or in grabbing 
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But again, you can say, like, 
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it was Drive part of. 
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lot and part of it was just 
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visiting themselves upon us to 
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I mean, just in terms of there 
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know, even the, the pieces that 
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necessarily able to execute in 
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these types of players and it, 
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highlighted that while this team
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Strides, there's still a big 
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In terms of athleticism, and in 
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Indiana basketball is right now,
and what a team like Miami is 

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right now. 
So I'm not mad about that 

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because I think we all kind of 
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perhaps the case, but it is 
still kind of a slap in the face

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to have it happen. 
So like definitively in a game 

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like this, that you feel like 
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puncher's chance like you're 
expecting. 

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You lose by two or three that 
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You lose by 16 and Like, well, 
God were we that bad and I don't

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think we were that bad but it's 
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immediately afterwards. 
I agree and I'll now go kind of 

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on the other side. 
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the you mentioned like the 
offensive rebounding was a sauna

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shaming for Miami to get 20 
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going into a consistent one 
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rate. 
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like Arizona did that to Indiana
and Purdue did it because that's

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what Purdue does but that's 
that's absurd. 

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Third level, go ahead, sorry. 
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you're going into the game being
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about their guards. 
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We have is height and size for 
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That much was was pretty, pretty
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were kind of, I take away from 
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should never be at a game. 
One of all the players, the guy 

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who shoots the fourth, most 
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both teams, you know, I don't 
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He I you shot 28 field-goal 
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We had 10. 
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you're going. 
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we're going to sing, his Praises
are going to talk about the end 

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of his career but it's like in 
the last game where he's healthy

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and ready to play and is one of 
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He didn't shoot the most on our 
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will be a weird thing. 
Now Miami was doing a ton of 

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things to make it really hard to
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found listening to like, you 
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they're talking about, you know,
who Cioppino did not have a 

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great game. 
He had a hard time starting the 

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game and they were, you know, 
they were talking, you know. 

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Well, yep. 
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You gotta like, you know sitting
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and seeing like, but to your 
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is like your kind of a spot like
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who's your point guard like 
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Now, what are you doing? 
That's where like Woodson's in a

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tough spot where it's like you 
can sit down Hood should be no 

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for like a minute and be like 
hey man, get it right but then 

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it's like now go get it right, 
right? 

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Like we like by the time I'm 
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to come in and do that. 
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you know, I was talking with a 
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I don't think it changes the 
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I We lose this game either way, 
but this is where you just 

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really see how much you're 
missing Xavier Johnson because 

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Xavier Johnson, is that point 
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think for his greatest pitch. 
If he knows Ben and you see 

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this, the silky smooth shooting 
and he goes nuclear against 

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Purdue. 
This is a guy who's been playing

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out of position as hope this 
whole season. 

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Like, he really should be the 
two guard. 

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He's not, he's done a great job 
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it, I think Ryan on assembly 
called mention this perfectly. 

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Like, you know, a a real point, 
a true Point guard. 

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When he knows he doesn't have 
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He gets the offense going. 
Not trying to get himself going.

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And you saw kind of hoods 
Ruffino trying to get himself 

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going. 
Well, you should have gotten the

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offense going, but I mean it's 
the end of the year is like he's

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not a freshman year. 
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him at. 
This is where you do see like if

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you have Xavier to run the 
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not having the shots like maybe 
he finds Miller cop a couple 

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more times, maybe he gets it 
more to trace Jackson Davis, 

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like, you know that's but 
anyway. 

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Those are some of the other. 
Those are the things that did 

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come on. 
Last thing I'll say to is just 

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the cop thing is, like, it is 
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like I'm open. 
Every time like you seem 

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yelling, I got that every time 
and it didn't seem like they ran

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a lot for him. 
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deal was like, hey, we know 
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so go ahead and just double off 
a cop for everything and we the 

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times that we pass the copy, hit
a three but we didn't pass them.

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The rest of the time who played 
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Well, yes, now part of the issue
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played on both ends of the court
and you know I think and this 

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ties back into the Xavier thing 
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I mean cop was really struggling
to deal with how much movement 

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Miami had on their end and 
Indiana. 

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Really didn't do a great job of 
properly canvassing Miami and 

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figuring out. 
I mean cop was not the most 

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abused of the players. 
Jail,' no, was Jalen Hurd. 

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Rufino was getting obliterated 
on back doors and You know, cuts

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at the top of the key where he 
was just losing his guy every 

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single time. 
And it's, again, he's a younger 

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player. 
He's still learning the game and

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it kind of ebbed and flowed. 
But Woody had to sit him down, 

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sometimes not even because of 
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because he couldn't play 
defense. 

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And, you know, that's but then 
you bring in tomorrow, Bates and

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Bates goes over seven, you know,
I mean Bates, even according to 

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shock quality, which still 
thought Miami should have won by

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a pretty significant margin. 
They should have had at least. 

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Six points off the shots that he
took and, you know, he ends up 

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finishing the NCAA tournament. 
Having gone a grand total of 

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over 13 in the two games and he 
had a couple work. 

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I'm telling my wife were 
watching the game. 

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It's like, you know, Tamar just 
brings the ball up and like 

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shoots a little, you know. 
Yeah, 17 Twitter. 

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It's like you gotta hit that 
like, you're going to take that 

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shot. 
You've got to hit it. 

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Yeah. 
Well, she got an audition at the

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offense. 
He had like multiple shots like 

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that, where it's at, you got to 
hit them. 

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And, and, and so, this is where 
I talk about raw socket. 

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Ha and look Bates. 
Bates was a Woodson recruit. 

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But Bates has had to play 
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nobody else on the roster to 
come in and do a whole lot 

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there. 
You think about the way that IU 

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IU as a bunch of ill-fitting 
pieces that Woodson was able to 

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kind of duct tape together and 
create a top 30 offense out of 

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and a defense that held together
enough in key moments that 

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Indiana, one significantly more 
game, And they lost but that, 

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you know, and at times it looked
like it meshed together. 

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Well, but as you mentioned, you 
take Xavier Johnson out of that 

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mix. 
And now, you know, now instead 

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of three players who will go get
their own shots, you've got to 

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instead of two players who can 
distribute the basketball, 

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you've got one and that one 
doesn't have a whole lot of 

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experience at the Collegiate 
level, instead of, you know, 

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essentially to seniors who can 
lead You've really got one and 

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that's Trace Jackson Davis. 
And that's you put all that 

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together. 
And it's like, look, I look at a

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guy like race Thompson and you 
can, you can be critical of race

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for getting like just 
consistently beaten on the, on 

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the glass and leading to a lot 
of those offensive rebounds. 

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But Trace Jackson Davis had the 
same issue race. 

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You know at least hits a 
three-pointer, and hit some 

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shots and scores in double 
figures and and get grabbed 

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seven rebounds in a game. 
Where he was clearly the slowest

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player on the floor for both 
teams at least. 

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He's he does something there 
notable and does something to 

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keep Indiana in it. 
And, you know, my contention was

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not, you know, it's like you 
talk about a team not playing as

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hard as the opposition and it's 
immediately interpreted as well.

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We didn't play hard enough, I 
think Indiana was playing hard 

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but Miami played a lot harder 
and that's that I think a key 

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thing to keep in mind here is 
that I just don't know that it 

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was in this team to be able to 
keep up with a team like Miami, 

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who went to the elite eight last
year, who's clearly, very, you 

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know, and didn't have a great 
game on Friday, but clearly has 

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a reservoir of energy and focus 
and a system that they're able 

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to adapt to the opponent, you 
know, to the point that a 

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larranaga said in the postgame 
press conference, like they had 

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an idea how they were in a 
plane. 

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Anna. 
They decided on something and 

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then the next day they threw it 
out and put something else in 

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and that ended up being what 
they were using like that kind 

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of flexibility. 
I don't think Indiana's had that

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with this roster, you know. 
And if you want to argue that 

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Woodson, should have figured it 
out again, I would remind you, 

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like, you look at the players 
that are on this roster. 

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You've got two guys who Woodson 
had to grab out of the portal 

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essentially, right at the 
beginning to try to put 

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something together that would 
work while he figured out what 

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he, what he Had he didn't know 
who he was going to be having on

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the roster when he first took 
over and everything. 

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Since then has essentially been 
what we have a generational 

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offensive talent in Trace 
Jackson Davis. 

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We need to build around that 
person and take advantage and 

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it's you can't do that. 
And then also like, oh, we're 

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going to bring in like X, Y and 
Z players that are automatically

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going to upgrade every spot on 
the roster. 

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Like you brought in those guys 
your first year, like you're not

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going to be like, well, we used 
you for a year we're going to 

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have We've and so I think to a 
large degree, what we saw in 

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this game was that this team? 
We do we all we wanted the whole

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season. 
Like what is the actual ceiling 

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for this team without Xavier 
Johnson? 

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And we found it. 
It was this kind of a game and 

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with all that said, I will 
always wonder if Indiana gets 

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the calls on the Galloway. 
Layup, attempt on the two 

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possessions that followed it and
they're suddenly up eight. 

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Eight there and Miami starting 
to press does Indiana maintain 

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control of that game because it 
felt like there was that awkward

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moment? 
It was really best summed up by,

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you know, Miller cop, stripping 
the ball at midcourt Driven 

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during the floor and firing up a
heat check 3. 

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I mean even if that had gone in,
I don't think it was a great 

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decision. 
I don't blame cop for trying it 

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per se because there was no flow
to the game at that point but it

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was illustrative of how 
discombobulated that sequence 

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Indiana. 
He had bad that that sequence, 

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it made Indiana and so it was 
clearly a team from my 

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perspective that was frazzled 
early, kind of put it back 

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together and then got frazzled. 
Again, I don't think that this 

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was this clearly wasn't 
representative of Indiana's 

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best, but I think it was 
probably representative of what 

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Indiana was going to deal with 
in a game where the other team 

447
00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:29,100
had both a coherent plan and the
athletes to make it happen and 

448
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:32,900
frankly if If it hadn't happened
here, if they had squeaked this 

449
00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:37,300
game out, they would have gotten
crushed against Houston because 

450
00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:40,600
Houston is this on steroids 
essentially and you know you 

451
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,000
want to talk about Tres Jackson 
Davis not getting you know, 

452
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,400
taking the 4th most number of 
shots in this game. 

453
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,100
I shudder to think of what would
have happened. 

454
00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:50,200
If Houston had just been like, 
you know, we're going to shut 

455
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,700
you down completely done. 
So I mean it really would have 

456
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,700
been a really almost and I think
a significantly uglier ending 

457
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,500
than this was given what we know
the limitations of Steam were so

458
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,700
this probably all sounds like 
excuse making I'm sure there's 

459
00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:05,900
people who are like, I don't 
understand, I can say all this 

460
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:10,500
but look realistically speaking.
If a team is going to commit and

461
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:13,300
effectively commit to not 
letting Trace Jackson, Davis, 

462
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:15,800
get the ball and Indiana is 
going to shift their whole 

463
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,300
offense. 
So the trace is getting the ball

464
00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:20,400
in the corner and having to 
dribble in or get in the bowl 16

465
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,100
feet from the basket. 
Like that's going to wear on you

466
00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:25,600
because you don't really have 
the team to do that. 

467
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,900
That's not how your setup and 
then you combine that with you, 

468
00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:34,600
your Playing 20, 25, 28, second,
defensive possessions, and then 

469
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,800
you're giving up offensive 
rebounds in your playing. 

470
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:39,400
Another set of defensive 
possessions after that. 

471
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,700
I don't know that Indiana 
necessarily had either the 

472
00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:47,300
horses or the innate talent to 
be able to handle that in this 

473
00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:49,900
situation. 
Because I think if they'd had, 

474
00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:52,600
you know, if they had people to 
bring in, Off the Bench to fix 

475
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,200
it, they would have. 
They tried pretty much everybody

476
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,000
and it really never got 
significantly better for any 

477
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,300
extended period of time. 
I was I was way wrong about how 

478
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:04,000
I thought this game was going to
go. 

479
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,000
I'll admit that I thought 
Indiana was going to be able to 

480
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,100
really abuse Miami in the post 
and as it turned out he didn't 

481
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:16,100
matter What mattered was focus 
and I think Indiana was out of 

482
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:19,000
focus in this one and I think 
that that was more a matter of 

483
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,100
how well Miami played rather 
than necessarily something that 

484
00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:25,800
Indiana could have done to 
change it going in. 

485
00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:30,500
Yeah no I think height didn't 
matter because Miami was 

486
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:33,900
pressing the hell out of us. 
Just pressuring our guards and 

487
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:36,100
double-teaming him and just 
making it really hard for us to 

488
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:39,300
even get comfortable. 
And, you know, they, they sped 

489
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:40,700
us up. 
I text you in the game, we had 

490
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:43,200
one of those again, you know, 
crazy, long Outlet passes, that 

491
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,300
leads to a turnover and only 
one. 

492
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:48,100
Fortunately, but yes. 
Look what it's like that was 

493
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:51,100
indicative of like us 
continually being sped up and I 

494
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:52,800
even the cop 3. 
So we're kind of like we're 

495
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,800
playing into their game. 
We're not a high-power potent 

496
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,300
offense. 
We should we need to slow it 

497
00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:01,100
down but we got we got rushed 
into what they wanted to do. 

498
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:04,700
So yeah, I feel like in the end 
I'm with you, it's just, it's it

499
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:08,700
felt like this was how it was 
going to end always and it was, 

500
00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:11,200
you know, it's tough when you 
see a team like Miami, who's 

501
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,800
not, not like a Houston where 
you're just like, man, they just

502
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,400
have so many more athletes on 
the court. 

503
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,400
But you're seeing that across 
all the Big Ten team, finally, 

504
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,900
I've had to Michigan State and 
that kind of dovetails with the 

505
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:26,300
larger point and you know, and 
this is where I look at this. 

506
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:33,100
I look at Indiana's roster and I
look at some of the other people

507
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,700
like the other teams that are 
out there and it's no 

508
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:38,600
coincidence to me that Michigan 
State's the only big 10 team 

509
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,100
that's in the sweet 16 because 
they're the only team that's got

510
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:47,200
the assemblage of athletes and 
an appropriator and shot 

511
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,000
creators in an approach to the 
game. 

512
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,200
That feels like it's compatible 
with the way basketballs being 

513
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,800
played, you know, there was this
clip floating around, Jerome 

514
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,700
Tang, the Kansas. 
State coach. 

515
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,600
I think it was in the locker 
room. 

516
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,800
Maybe you're marrying a press 
conference was talking about it 

517
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,100
like the old the old guard you 
know all those guys that went to

518
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:09,500
Kentucky they're not playing now
and you know you've got a sweet 

519
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:13,100
16 there's no Duke there's no 
North Carolina, there's no 

520
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:15,700
Indiana. 
There's no Kentucky you know 

521
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:19,900
UCLA is the only of the the Blue
Bloods historically that's in 

522
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:21,100
there. 
Now that happened a couple years

523
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:23,600
ago as well but it's an 
illustration that the error were

524
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,800
in right now. 
It's not just an automatic 

525
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:30,600
You're going to collect Talent. 
Indiana, unfortunately has been 

526
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,100
an Exemplar of that for much 
longer than those other programs

527
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:38,900
and to look at a the 
underachievement Indiana had 

528
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:42,000
under Archie Miller with players
that are going in winning, you 

529
00:27:42,008 --> 00:27:44,800
know, going to sweet 16s. 
Whether that's Justin Smith that

530
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,200
Arkansas last year or Jerome 
Hunter Xavier, or any know that 

531
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,400
was kind of a special situation 
or Al Durham at Providence last 

532
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,700
year. 
Or you know, and then you look 

533
00:27:55,700 --> 00:28:01,200
at The con the, the way that I 
use roster was assembled, and 

534
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,900
how you've had to make these 
little changes in it because 

535
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,600
what wins in the Big Ten doesn't
necessarily win beyond the Big 

536
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,400
Ten? 
I think Indiana right now finds 

537
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,900
themselves in a really 
fascinating spot but that yeah, 

538
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,600
okay I want to jump in because 
that for I don't want to get too

539
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,100
far, I want to get aware. 
This was just something that you

540
00:28:19,108 --> 00:28:22,200
know just kind of like an aside 
go on please though. 

541
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,900
Well but it does. 
It's a point that I wanted to 

542
00:28:24,908 --> 00:28:26,800
hit we come like I've also hit 
it now. 

543
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:30,600
You I this is where I do look at
this offseason as I'm very 

544
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,200
curious what we're going to do 
and I think this is a really big

545
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,000
offseason for Mike Woodson in 
two respects and that the Slate 

546
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,000
is clean and we're going to need
some guys in the portal or else 

547
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,000
we're going to have a lineup of 
guys who really aren't producing

548
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,100
now, so but I look at that as 
like, there's that should not 

549
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:53,200
and cannot be an excuse for next
year because that is the way the

550
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,700
game, that's where the assembly 
works. 

551
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:58,400
Now is like, it's, you can read 
You your roster in a year, there

552
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,000
is no more. 
I need three to four years to 

553
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,100
build my roster. 
That's why I shuffle, you know, 

554
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:06,300
cringe a little bit like the he 
has, aren't you guys. 

555
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:08,600
I don't want to get sidetracked 
it, you know. 

556
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:12,300
So Woodson has the ability to 
recreate the roster this year 

557
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:15,100
and I think how what he does is 
going to be very interesting. 

558
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:17,400
The other is the thing. 
I'm interesting to see, is, if 

559
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,700
you had some postgame comments, 
but how you he created this 

560
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:23,500
offense, based on who we had on 
the team, you know, in Trace 

561
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:26,800
Jackson Davis and I would say 
that we're, you know, there's a 

562
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,500
You meant to be made that I 
would agree with that. 

563
00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:34,700
He Woodson might have maximized 
the potential for this team with

564
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:38,500
Tres Jackson Davis and ran an 
offense that maximize what we 

565
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:41,900
could do with this team. 
That's off the table now. 

566
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,300
And so if we come back and run 
the same type of offense next 

567
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:50,300
year and really forsake threes 
and look like a non-traditional 

568
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:53,300
functional, you know, moderate 
offense, I'm going to be very 

569
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:56,300
concerned but if we come back 
and it's like next year, we're 

570
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:58,700
running some Nothing like a pen 
stages, we're running a 

571
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:01,600
different looking set that they 
we can look back at, like, okay,

572
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:03,900
you know, what, actually, what's
it was pretty awesome. 

573
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:05,900
Like, he looked at these pieces.
Like, I'm gonna put together an 

574
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:09,800
offense that features this 
generational Talent, whose 

575
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,800
unique, and I have to run 
something different in the way 

576
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,000
college basketball is being run,
but I think it's say this is 

577
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,900
going to be a great Bellwether 
on Woodson is like a, does he 

578
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:22,200
really have a competitive and, 
you know, future running offense

579
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,100
for the NCAA and be, can he 
compete in the way that you have

580
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:28,800
to create rosters today? 
The idea of we're going to get a

581
00:30:28,808 --> 00:30:31,900
guy and build guys and you know 
you know get guys for years. 

582
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:35,100
That's you have to be able to do
it on the fly in the portal and 

583
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:37,000
luckily he's gonna have the 
opportunity to do both this 

584
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,500
offseason. 
Yeah, well and look, I think 

585
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,400
first of all, what you said is 
really key. 

586
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,200
And a lot of people have 
criticized Woodson's offense and

587
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,500
and how its structured and I get
the criticism. 

588
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,400
I mean, there's times I've been 
pretty disappointed in it and 

589
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,300
individual games are against 
individual types of opponents. 

590
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:58,900
The end of the They though, I 
will, I will, again remind 

591
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:04,000
people that this was a top 30 
offense in college basketball, 

592
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,600
that barely shot threes like to 
be able to have an offense. 

593
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,800
That is that efficient. 
That doesn't shoot threes. 

594
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,000
Well and was only 206 than the 
country in free. 

595
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,400
Throw percentage is a major 
accomplishment and if you're 

596
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,100
going to argue that I you 
shouldn't have played that way. 

597
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,900
I would say two things. 
First of all, the roster was not

598
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:27,500
there to play. 
Different way. 

599
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:30,500
I think it might have been with 
Xavier Johnson because now you 

600
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:35,400
have both a Creator and a shot 
maker and a guy that can go and 

601
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,000
get his own basket. 
If he needs two or all three of 

602
00:31:38,008 --> 00:31:40,400
those things, you didn't have 
that. 

603
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,300
So you got to reinvent on the 
moat on the Fly. 

604
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,000
You also you again, I'll remind 
you, you have a generational 

605
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:55,300
Talent offensively who was able 
this season to be what 18th in 

606
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:57,500
the in the conference in Topeka.
Point field goal. 

607
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:02,200
Percentage be in the top 200 in 
offensive rating in the country,

608
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,500
be in the top 125 in the country
and effective field goal 

609
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:08,300
percentage. 
I mean his and then, you know, 

610
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:14,300
be a top 200 guy in assists. 
I mean, my God, like, I, you had

611
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:17,300
a special talent here in Tres 
Jackson Davis. 

612
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:20,500
The idea that you wouldn't 
maximize what you were doing 

613
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:24,800
around him, is kind of silly to 
me and the, you know, and the 

614
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,700
the notion that you would 
Voluntarily be running a bunch 

615
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:32,300
of stuff elsewhere because you 
think it's going to get him more

616
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:34,800
shots. 
I would again just point to the 

617
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,700
rest of the roster and say who 
was turning in the reliable 

618
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:40,900
performances that you would want
to lean on and build directly 

619
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:43,400
into your offense and then the 
offense always look great. 

620
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,900
But to go this season with 
essentially one reliable 

621
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:51,200
offensive option, And be able to
finish 27th. 

622
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,900
I think is what they are right 
now in defensive efficiency on 

623
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:56,200
Ken pom. 
That's a major accomplishment. 

624
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,100
I don't think that that's how 
they're going to play moving 

625
00:32:58,100 --> 00:32:59,800
forward. 
I've said that for a while now 

626
00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:01,900
because they won't have that 
they won't be able to. 

627
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,900
And so that's that's my that 
would be what I'd say on that. 

628
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,800
And again, the proof will be in 
the pudding. 

629
00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:12,300
Just like the portal activity 
additional recruiting activity. 

630
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,600
This is going to be a 
significant amount of change 

631
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,600
that will see. 
And we're at it. 

632
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,300
We'll save that for future 
podcasts to talk about, but I 

633
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:22,800
think IU basketball is going to 
look radically different. 

634
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,100
And I think what this what we 
see here and actually Trace 

635
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:28,800
Jackson Davis, I thought really 
did a good job in his postgame. 

636
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,600
Press conference of putting a 
bow on everything you know where

637
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,900
he referenced like. 
You know two years ago we were 

638
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:39,900
getting booed off the floor in 
Indianapolis and to go from that

639
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,000
to being a top four seed in the 
NCAA Tournament winning a game 

640
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,900
in the, in the real part of the 
tournament, you know, finish. 

641
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,100
In 12 and 8 in the conference. 
I mean doing everything that 

642
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:56,300
Indiana was able to accomplish 
this year with essentially, a 

643
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:59,900
seven-man rotation and of those 
seven people. 

644
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,100
You know, generally only four of
them were actually contributing 

645
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:05,200
in any given night. 
If you were lucky, if you got 

646
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,600
that a team that wasn't as good 
defensively. 

647
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,900
As they were last year for a 
variety of reasons. 

648
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,000
I think that this was a great 
like send off to the last 

649
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,400
remnants of the Archie era like 
Like, chances are you're going 

650
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,300
to have one player on the 
roster. 

651
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:27,000
Next year, who has any 
significant ties to that era and

652
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,600
now, you essentially become a 
brand new different type of 

653
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,699
program and we don't know what 
that's going to look like, but I

654
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:36,100
think it'll look different from 
whatever it is right now as that

655
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:39,300
transition starts to take place,
I would hope so. 

656
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,500
Yeah. 
Yes you can't play this way. 

657
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:47,000
I mean it is, you know it, I do 
hope it's different in an odd 

658
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,400
way, you know. 
If we my words here like Woodson

659
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,100
was handed an interesting, you 
know, hand in poker. 

660
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:56,400
So if you took this job is like 
he had to recruit Trace Jackson 

661
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,300
Davis back but he just had to 
take that opportunity. 

662
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:02,200
And but he's given this hand 
where, you know, you look at 

663
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:08,200
teams that are primarily led by 
very, very good post players, 

664
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,500
you know, they just don't have 
tournament success. 

665
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:14,500
Whether it's, you know, Chet 
home G last year, new two years 

666
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:16,500
is a key. 
T unfortunately, you know, Trace

667
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:18,900
Jackson Davis, you know, even 
Oscar. 

668
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,800
If she waits Kentucky, they 
haven't had a ton of success. 

669
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:24,100
You're the only, the only person
I can think of it's like a 

670
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,100
traditional post players had 
successes Drew Timmy but even 

671
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:29,600
they didn't do well last year 
and I would say, gonzaga's 

672
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,600
construct of their team is just 
fascinating different than a lot

673
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,700
of other teams were discussing 
here, but teams that are like 

674
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:37,600
post Centric are just not doing 
well. 

675
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,000
So I I hope we see something 
different next year. 

676
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,400
But you know, again everything's
on the table here. 

677
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,800
And this is where Woodson is 
going to and I I want to wait 

678
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,600
and see and I have faith. 
It's like this is where, you 

679
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,600
know, he has the ability to get 
two three guys in the portal. 

680
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,300
Really remake this roster, but 
that's where that's the way 

681
00:35:56,300 --> 00:36:00,700
college basketball is today. 
And I'm interested, I'm excited 

682
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:02,900
to see what we do. 
I'm excited to see the offense 

683
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:07,700
rerun next year but, you know, 
in the end people are asking 

684
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:09,400
today. 
It's like to me like this is a 

685
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,600
good season like I leave happy 
and like, you know, in a weird 

686
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,000
way, it's not that much 
different then, you know, 2016. 

687
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,800
I know we didn't have a Big Ten 
title but it's Like that year, 

688
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,200
we got completely shellacked in 
the sweet 16 by North Carolina. 

689
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:25,600
I know we didn't make the sweet 
sixteen this year but it's like 

690
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,300
it's only a difference of one 
game and maybe that sounds like 

691
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:30,800
a team that's been in the dumps 
too long, but it's like, we move

692
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,200
into back-to-back tournaments. 
I think something that you said 

693
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,500
before is like to me now, you 
know, as you look ahead, all of 

694
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:41,400
you offense portal guys, that 
that's all, that will be all 

695
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,900
figured out to me. 
That the thing is like, you 

696
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:46,500
know, we made the sweet 16 in 
2013 and then we fell off a 

697
00:36:46,508 --> 00:36:48,900
cliff. 
We made the sweet 16 in 2016 and

698
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,800
Fell off a cliff and we just got
back like to me now. 

699
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,800
It's like now, you need 
stability next year. 

700
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,500
Probably the team will not be as
good as this year. 

701
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:57,900
I don't know. 
I don't know who's going to be 

702
00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:59,400
on the team will discuss that 
later. 

703
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,700
But to me, like that's the goal 
is like, you cannot now fall off

704
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:05,700
a cliff again for two or three 
years if you have to now, right?

705
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:08,900
Continue to find ways to stay 
relevant to stay good. 

706
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:11,700
And there really is no reason 
why you shouldn't be able to 

707
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,200
other rosters remake it. 
Illinois, they get a whole bunch

708
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,100
of portal guys, because I was 
good, they're still in the 

709
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,200
tournament a seat. 
And like, I was talking, Nobody.

710
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,800
This morning's like if if I give
you next year, you're in the 

711
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,800
tournament as an 8C. 
Do you take that right now and 

712
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,600
like yeah, I take that, that's a
good season, like, that's that's

713
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,000
what you need to be looking to 
do is like now, you're starting 

714
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,500
to be there every single year 
and now you're just trying to, 

715
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,500
you know, get the higher Highs. 
But you've got to create that 

716
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:39,400
floor. 
That's where again, next year to

717
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,400
me is key. 
Just, we cannot go to three 

718
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,400
years again, without making the 
tournament. 

719
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,400
Oh, I mean, I think I would hope
that goes without saying and I'm

720
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,000
sure our listeners. 
Owners would say, well, of 

721
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000
course that goes without saying,
you know, I look at it like 

722
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,200
this. 
I think that ultimately it's 

723
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,200
it's a step along the way, and 
we talked about this a little 

724
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,500
bit on assembly call, you know? 
I think it was I forget who I 

725
00:38:04,508 --> 00:38:07,500
was specifically addressing or 
talking about is like, well, how

726
00:38:07,508 --> 00:38:11,200
do you judge this season in 
retrospect, you know, part of 

727
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:18,300
part of what I would look at it 
as is this it we are IU fans. 

728
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:22,200
Forget how much time has 
elapsed? 

729
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:27,700
Since I, you was last good we do
and it really because it feels 

730
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:30,900
like it was yesterday, but it 
was actually, it was more race 

731
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:33,900
Thompson committed here. 
It was like, that's how long ago

732
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:35,900
it was, that's right. 
Yeah, that's hilarious. 

733
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,900
That that, that one year between
Matt and over and race Thompson,

734
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:43,600
right? 
But, but now the, this this 

735
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,600
will, I think go down in history
and IU. 

736
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,500
Basketball is a really 
important. 

737
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:53,300
Portent transitional season 
because it showed that Indiana 

738
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:58,200
could compete at a, not the top 
level, but that they could hold 

739
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,900
their own. 
In terms of, you know, being in 

740
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:05,300
the mix for being considered one
of the top teams. 

741
00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:08,300
And when I say top teams, I mean
like one of the top 20 teams in 

742
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:12,600
the country, one of the top 15 
teams in the country, you know, 

743
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,100
there's a there's a certain 
element of we don't know how 

744
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:19,000
good the season could have been 
because you lose your Point 

745
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,900
guard, 10 games in and that 
completely Alters. 

746
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:26,900
The trajectory of what you're 
going to do on both sides of the

747
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:31,200
bowl. 
But I also think that what we're

748
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,300
looking at right now is Indiana,
you know, finally with a 

749
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:37,800
coaching staff, that's going to 
be here for a while. 

750
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:40,900
They've shown positive upward 
momentum and this is the first 

751
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:44,300
coaching staff where you can 
say, hey there's positive upward

752
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:48,100
momentum in, you know? 
I mean even if you yeah, here 

753
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:50,400
three go. 
Into year three and a long time 

754
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:55,500
and and, you know, you that to 
me gives me hope. 

755
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,900
And I think Woodson has got a 
handle on college basketball. 

756
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:01,100
Now, I think his staff has a 
better handle on college 

757
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:03,200
basketball. 
Now I think the portal as you 

758
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,800
mentioned opens up a lot more 
possibilities and I don't think 

759
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,400
there was anything that happened
this year, that couldn't have 

760
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,100
been explained Away by just the 
realities of will. 

761
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:18,400
Here's who we've got, and here's
what we need to do as opposed to

762
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,500
You know, Woodson is just too 
stubborn and only wants to do X 

763
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:23,000
Y or Z. 
I think is in game coaching. 

764
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,700
Got significantly better this 
year? 

765
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,100
Yeah, you know, I think the way 
that the, you know, you look at 

766
00:40:28,107 --> 00:40:30,800
just even the shooting 
percentages like Indiana went 

767
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,300
they, you know, the last year of
Archie, they were 32.4 percent 

768
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:39,600
from three, their 36.8%. 
Now the last year of Archie, 

769
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:42,400
they were sixty six point five 
percent from the free-throw line

770
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,700
this year, they were seventy one
point one percent. 

771
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:46,800
The last year of Archie, their 
effective field goal. 

772
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,100
Percentage was 48.5 Of this 
year. 

773
00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:55,300
It was 53.5, you know, even even
defensively speaking, this 

774
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:58,900
season was more on par with the 
last Archie year, but it wasn't 

775
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,000
bad. 
It was a top 50 defense. 

776
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,800
Like this feels like a good 
solid foundation to build on for

777
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,200
Indiana basketball. 
And so, it's tough because I 

778
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,100
think that the way the season 
ended losing the Penn State game

779
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:20,000
losing, the Miami game it 
Highlighted flaws. 

780
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,600
It highlighted shortcomings but 
I think honestly, the flaws and 

781
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,800
shortcomings were in the 
composition of the roster and 

782
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:31,600
there were just some hard 
ceiling limitations on what some

783
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,400
of these players could actually 
do in a game. 

784
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,500
And in some games, in some 
games, they were able to 

785
00:41:36,508 --> 00:41:38,800
overcome them. 
But down the stretch, they 

786
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,800
weren't able to consistently 
overcome them. 

787
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,700
And that's it sounds like a 
criticism of players. 

788
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,000
I just think that a lot of the 
players on this roster, whether 

789
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,800
it was race Thompson suffering. 
The Jury and and then having to 

790
00:41:50,808 --> 00:41:53,900
come back and play through that,
whether it was Miller, cop, and 

791
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:56,700
just not being very laterally, 
quick and not being able to play

792
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:59,000
a lot of great defense and not 
having a quick release. 

793
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:03,800
Whether it was tomorrow, Bates, 
struggling with his shot going 

794
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,500
in and his confidence, whether 
it was Malik renew struggling 

795
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:09,600
with not knowing how to not foul
at this level, whether it was 

796
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Jalen Hood, pheno going, you 
know, running really hot and 

797
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,500
really cold and also struggling 
with focus on defense. 

798
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:20,500
Like this was an imperfect I 
think Woodson did a good job of 

799
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:23,100
bringing those pieces along as 
far as they could reasonably. 

800
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:25,800
Go could they have one in this 
game? 

801
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:28,800
Yeah, that would have probably 
been about it, and I think going

802
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,500
back to what you said, you know,
I think with Xavier Johnson, 

803
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:35,200
there's a different ceiling. 
I also think you're not a four 

804
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,700
seed, if you've got Xavier 
Johnson, the whole season your 

805
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:42,300
A3, your maybe a to. 
But this was about where Indiana

806
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:44,700
was going to end up. 
I think we were hoping that it 

807
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:48,400
might be higher than that. 
We like the pathway and who 

808
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,100
knows. 
If Drake ends up upsetting 

809
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:52,700
Miami, maybe we're not having 
this conversation at all because

810
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:55,400
they're able to handle Drake and
so it doesn't, but I'm glad I'm 

811
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,700
almost to some degree glad that 
it did because I will look back 

812
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:01,700
on this particular game and say 
there was your greatest 

813
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:06,100
illustration of how 
fundamentally like far behind 

814
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,600
the program is in terms of 
athleticism, and in terms of 

815
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,500
shot-making, and those things 
have to be fixed, and I think 

816
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:17,600
they will. 
Now that there is a clear need 

817
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,200
to RECenter The gravity of this 
team because you won't have an 

818
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,100
All-American playing Center, who
really has to have things 

819
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:27,800
structured around him in order 
to make it work. 

820
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,800
And that's not a criticism of 
Trace Jackson Davis. 

821
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,700
It's just a reality. 
It's like if you've got Zach 

822
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:34,500
Edie, you're going to use that 
gt--. 

823
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:36,400
You're not going to be like, 
well you know what, we want to 

824
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,300
run a more modern game no, but 
now I think Indiana's got got to

825
00:43:40,308 --> 00:43:42,800
change and I'm fascinated to see
where that goes and I think 

826
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,200
we've seen where it needs to go.
No, I think you bring up a great

827
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,800
point that I did that. 
The idea that, you know, this is

828
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:51,600
Kind of a slap across the face 
and it does show everyone like. 

829
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,300
All right. 
That's that's the next level. 

830
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:56,800
It's not like you just played, 
you know Alabama this is Miami. 

831
00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:58,400
No naka Miami but it's like 
they're not. 

832
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,200
They're not like they have been 
the top team in the country all 

833
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:00,700
year. 
Like that. 

834
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:01,900
That's a team. 
Who's a five seed in the 

835
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:04,900
tournament who kind of blow your
doors off athletically. 

836
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:07,000
It's like you've got to continue
to step up. 

837
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,300
The thing I was going to say is 
you know, you're right, Had 

838
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:13,000
Drake one like this is why you 
want to be in that position. 

839
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,100
Is that sometimes it breaks? 
Well, sometimes it doesn't and 

840
00:44:15,100 --> 00:44:16,900
then you know, some point you 
have to place somebody you're 

841
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:20,100
not going to play you know, 12C.
All the way to the tournament, 

842
00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:22,200
which I know is like produce. 
Biggest nightmare playing double

843
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,800
bass, you know, it's not like, 
you're gonna play, you know, 12 

844
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,100
all the way. 
At some point, you give that 

845
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:30,600
team that, you know, the 2002 
team they had to beat Duke, but 

846
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,200
we had to beat some interviewed 
Oklahoma, but you have to win 

847
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,200
some games. 
But they also, I think it was 

848
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,000
USC. 
They didn't get in the second 

849
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,400
round. 
I'm not saying they would have 

850
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,000
lost their butts. 
Like they had an easier path. 

851
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,600
Like you again, you gave 
yourself more of these. 

852
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,400
Things are going to break right?
Sometimes they won't sometimes 

853
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,900
you'll find the right. 
T, this again was a bad. 

854
00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:50,700
Just an overall bad matchup that
The thing that I would say just 

855
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:53,800
Bears mentioning is it is you 
mentioned the defensive 

856
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,300
efficiency, the offense, has she
got better it is a little bit, 

857
00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:00,900
just a PIN to think that you 
know this is the worst defensive

858
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:03,000
efficiency since our cheese 
first year. 

859
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,500
But my caveat to my own point is
you know while Archie had good 

860
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:12,000
defense has his offenses were 
you know, 50 to 60 ranking spots

861
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,500
were closer to to the, you know,
to the hundredth ranking. 

862
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:18,600
Like I think one of the years 
like in 2019, our defense was 

863
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,900
30. 
The country and offenses 82nd 

864
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,100
this year. 
Our defense was 45th, which is, 

865
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,000
yes, it's not. 
It's, you know, it's not 30 

866
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,400
second, but you're only sliding 
10 spots up versus our offense. 

867
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,400
Under Archie was like 50 60 
spots off where it should have 

868
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,700
been. 
So it's, it's around the edges. 

869
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:38,700
But I do wonder if we were able 
to keep our defense in the top 

870
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:41,000
25 if that would have helped 
either. 

871
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,700
But again, I think that spot 
everything, you said its roster 

872
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:45,500
destruction. 
I look at the roster thing is 

873
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,300
it's less. 
And I just think that without 

874
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,700
Xavier Joe, Johnson there and 
the way this roster is 

875
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:53,500
constructed, you were just 
putting a lot of guys in 

876
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:56,800
positions that was not 
beneficial for what their skills

877
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,500
provide and so everything you 
mentioned. 

878
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:01,100
But you know, I could shift, you
know, having to play more one 

879
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:03,900
when you should be playing to, 
You Know, Tamar Bates, playing 

880
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:07,100
15, you know, minutes and having
to maybe create some of his own 

881
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:08,100
shots. 
When he could have just been a 

882
00:46:08,107 --> 00:46:11,000
five-minute guy and getting a 
little more, you know, in the 

883
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,900
flow of offense. 
So I that's the end of that 

884
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:15,100
point. 
I really have a wrap up to that,

885
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:18,000
but that's, that's kind of the 
end of my My Talking. 

886
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,200
Yeah. 
I mean, I'll just reiterate a 

887
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,200
point I made earlier. 
Indiana was 95th and offensive 

888
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,100
efficiency in 2022. 
They were 27th and offensive 

889
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:30,800
efficiency this year. 
It's a huge leap for any program

890
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,400
to make and it's the same 
Personnel, they lost one player 

891
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,900
off of last year's roster that 
contributed all and it was 

892
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:41,400
Parker Stewart. 
And to make that big of a leap 

893
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:44,700
offensively is was really 
impressive. 

894
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:46,600
And yes, they did fall off 
defensively. 

895
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,400
And I think that that's I think 
you could very easily point to a

896
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,800
bunch of factors on that front, 
not the least of which is you 

897
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,200
lose your best on-ball defender 
and Xavier Johnson and you know 

898
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,900
who had been your best post 
Defender and race Thompson ends 

899
00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:02,900
up having a major injury that 
almost takes him out for the 

900
00:47:02,908 --> 00:47:05,100
rest of the year in early 
January. 

901
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:08,300
So again, I'm gonna give them 
some Grace on this. 

902
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:10,600
And so anyway, I do think, what 
is funny. 

903
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,600
As you mentioned, like, the 
shock of your this gaming is 

904
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,100
finally, this is I think most of
the old die-hard IU fans are 

905
00:47:16,107 --> 00:47:18,900
starting to we're starting to 
get kind of a more modern. 

906
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,800
Base. 
But this, this is if we come out

907
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,600
and Woodson runs like, you know,
a Penn State or, you know, 

908
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,900
Alabama's type offense next year
with a bunch of threes and we're

909
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:30,400
running it with, you know, a 
starting lineup that has Xavier 

910
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,500
and four Dudes. 
We don't know, like, this could 

911
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:35,000
be just a complete culture shock
where you went from, you know, 

912
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,900
basically, the weird old that 
this is like the way you and I 

913
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:40,000
used to watch basketball or it's
like oh, your race has been here

914
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,500
awhile. 
We do Trace like, you know, guys

915
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:42,600
who've been here year after 
year. 

916
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,100
It's like, you know, the 
starting lineup. 

917
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:47,500
You mention one guy changes and 
you're running this kind of post

918
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:50,700
out offense like there. 
Could be a complete culture. 

919
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:54,800
Just a mean old fans systems 
where it's like all new guys 

920
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,100
were just running a toy. 
The main system to make the 

921
00:47:57,100 --> 00:48:01,000
worst like, you know, like lame 
joke that normally gets made in 

922
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,800
is like, we're gonna make a lot 
of money off of selling 

923
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,600
programs, let next year because 
nobody's gonna know anybody on 

924
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,200
the Tina's. 
Gonna be that kind of a thing, 

925
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,500
but it could be, I mean, it 
would be hilarious if Indiana 

926
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:13,300
came like immediately started 
running a 5 out and had nobody 

927
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:15,600
starting over 67 and be like, 
what is this? 

928
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,300
Why I haven't seen this in a 
while, you know, and actually 

929
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,000
remember. but buddy, really 
remember seeing this But woke 

930
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,000
the tournament but I, but I'll 
see that's the thing. 

931
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,900
It's like, would you would you 
want that? 

932
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,800
Because, you know, Penn State 
when we went 10 and 10 with that

933
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,900
sort of a style in, but they 
they they look pretty good in 

934
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:34,600
the tournament both that, you 
know, about the Big Ten 

935
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,400
tournament and then the, the big
one. 

936
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,200
So I am fascinated to see what 
happens and I'm fascinated to 

937
00:48:41,207 --> 00:48:43,000
see what the roster looks like 
next year. 

938
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:46,600
Fascinated to see who stays it's
a key. 

939
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,900
It really is a key off. 
See like it really is. 

940
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,400
It is like it's a kiosk because 
you Have to keep momentum going.

941
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,100
And there's there's a lot is 
gonna be a ton of change and so 

942
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:57,600
you've got to install a new 
offense or do something 

943
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,500
different offensively, you have 
to. 

944
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,500
Yeah, you got to get either 
recruits or portal guys, or last

945
00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:05,500
second change guys that you've 
got to bring some more 

946
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,400
athleticism and shooting and 
something to this roster and 

947
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,100
you're going to. 
But again I will say I was 

948
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:15,700
talking to, you know thinking 
about this today and talking to 

949
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:18,700
a friend like we were you 
sampling Seltzer while you were 

950
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:20,900
doing it. 
Always okay good. 

951
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,400
Um yes, blind blind Blind. 
Faith is lemon lime. 

952
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:27,000
Lemon lime until Pacino's, 
pretty good at a big Blackberry 

953
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,500
guy. 
Sorry, good black night when you

954
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:31,700
don't know what it is, I know. 
But you know what's it? 

955
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:35,100
Also you do he has a lot to 
offer here but so the idea that 

956
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:37,700
he can't get guys, should be 
able to get some guys because 

957
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:41,400
you can offer like hey you're 
going to have a 24 year old like

958
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,500
solid point guard, who can get 
you the ball, you're going to 

959
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:48,500
have a five star Center. 
We have n IL money and by the 

960
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:51,500
way I can offer three dudes, a 
starting role probably Maybe two

961
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:53,600
and a half like I have a I can 
get you starting on a team 

962
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,100
that's going to be on national 
TV. 

963
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:57,000
We should be making the 
tournament. 

964
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,800
You're going to be playing in 
the Big Ten. 

965
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,100
You have a point guard, you have
a center, I can run an offense, 

966
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:05,200
you know, it's like there's a 
lot to go there for him to be 

967
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,700
able to get either portal, dudes
or recruits and so I you know, 

968
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:13,500
there's no reason why we can't 
come back with a solid lineup 

969
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:15,100
for next year. 
Not going to probably win the 

970
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:18,400
Big Ten but finishing in the 
upper echelons and the you know 

971
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,000
654 you know double by next 
year. 

972
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,000
Not be off the table for this 
team. 

973
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,000
I agree. 
I mean, look it, I mean, I not 

974
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,500
going to get that up to miss. 
I want to see who's on the 

975
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:31,400
roster first, but well, yeah. 
But but your point is well taken

976
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,700
in that there's, I think Woodson
is well-equipped. 

977
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:39,800
And I think that Indiana has a 
program is much better equipped 

978
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,600
now than it was a year ago. 
I mean, last year, it's like, 

979
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,100
you know, what's it doesn't know
when to call timeouts or what, 

980
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:46,600
you know, what is, what's it 
doing here or there. 

981
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,400
And I feel like a lot of those 
questions got answered, you 

982
00:50:49,408 --> 00:50:51,400
know, is out of bounds plays 
were Awesome. 

983
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,100
For the most part this year, he,
he managed to develop a lot of 

984
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:59,800
players on this roster in terms 
of putting them in positions to 

985
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,500
succeed didn't always work, but 
it did feel like they got a lot 

986
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:08,900
closer to where they want to get
to and, and having a new group, 

987
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:13,000
having a new group come in that 
can provide a different kind of 

988
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,300
energy and a different kind of 
skill set. 

989
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:17,600
I'm really fascinated to see how
that plays out. 

990
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,300
And the last thing with 
development is your woods, and 

991
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:23,200
you could tell You know, portal 
or recruit like, hey, I took 

992
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,200
Trace Jackson Davis, who 
basically was not wanted by the 

993
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,700
MBA, and we were able to 
Showcase him without shooting a 

994
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:32,200
three in such a way that he is 
going to be drafted. 

995
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,800
And oh, by the way, I took a guy
in a freshman jail hoof Ito, who

996
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,700
was kind of off draft boards, to
start the year, who's going to 

997
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:40,600
be, maybe a lottery pick. 
He's going to be in the top 20. 

998
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,100
He's getting a guaranteed 
contract, you know, and I think 

999
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:45,600
that is going to speak volumes 
as well. 

1000
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:48,500
And so there's a and I think 
that's something we have to 

1001
00:51:48,508 --> 00:51:50,900
remember to like we have a lot 
of positive advantage. 

1002
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:54,600
A lot of things going our way. 
And so the he shouldn't be able 

1003
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,700
to get some guys because there's
a, that's a lot. 

1004
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:58,200
They're not a lot of coaches can
say that. 

1005
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,300
I mean, having two guys. 
Drafted, like it sucks that you 

1006
00:52:00,308 --> 00:52:03,000
couldn't do more in the 
tournament, but the fact that 

1007
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,200
you took two guys who it's not 
like they came into the year, 

1008
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,900
both being high draft picks, I 
think neither of them were 

1009
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:11,600
really on draft board and start 
the year and you finish with a 

1010
00:52:11,607 --> 00:52:14,900
guy who's probably going to be 
bottom Lottery, just outside the

1011
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:17,000
lottery and then Trace, who 
might be up, you might get to 

1012
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,600
first rounders I mean, it's it's
really going to be fascinating 

1013
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:26,700
to watch all this play out. 
Because I think as we've talked 

1014
00:52:26,700 --> 00:52:29,900
about a lot, I just I think 
there was enough positive press.

1015
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:33,000
Doc Rivers is talking about, you
know, the IU job and visceral 

1016
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,500
adipose. 
Talking about, you know, 

1017
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:37,000
Woodson's brought the pride back
to IU. 

1018
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,500
I mean there's a lot of positive
momentum for the program as a 

1019
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:46,200
whole and I know I was like you 
I was upset after the game but I

1020
00:52:46,207 --> 00:52:50,000
wasn't like furious. 
And I kind of just you know that

1021
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,400
when Miami went on that run in 
the second half I was like, wow,

1022
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,600
this looks like it's about it 
and It got me thinking a lot 

1023
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,600
about what, what does this mean?
And I leave a lot more 

1024
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,200
optimistic out of this season 
than I can. 

1025
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,800
Remember, even being last year, 
even though I thought we would 

1026
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,400
be good going into next year. 
I, you know, there's always that

1027
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,700
like, I want to see Indiana do 
something before I get excited. 

1028
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:16,600
And you can say, yeah, they 
didn't want a Big Ten title or 

1029
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,100
they didn't win the Big Ten 
tournament and they obviously 

1030
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:23,300
didn't get to the Sweet 16 and 
yet, despite all of that they 

1031
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:26,200
did things this year. 
You know, they they made their 

1032
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,400
mark on college basketball, they
were relevant in the National 

1033
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:34,400
conversation and look I as much 
as anybody want to see this team

1034
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,600
win. 
I want, I would like 

1035
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,300
championships. 
I would like to go, you know, 

1036
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:41,400
into the second weekend or 
Beyond in the NCAA tournament, 

1037
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,200
but we got, as I said on 
assembly call. 

1038
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:49,400
Last week, we got to take this 
in stages and as much as I'd 

1039
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,500
love to hit the accelerator 
button and get you know, into 

1040
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:57,600
everything immediately You know,
it's all you're almost to some 

1041
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,300
degree blessed if you start with
a completely blank slate because

1042
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:02,000
you completely remake, 
everything that's not what 

1043
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,500
happened here and I think 
Woodson's done a really good job

1044
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:07,700
of handling, all of the 
different things, and arranging 

1045
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:10,900
them in the best way that we can
see them given what he's been 

1046
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:13,800
given and what he's gone out and
gotten to make it work. 

1047
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:16,300
So, no. 
And to your point of we did 

1048
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:20,200
things that, you know, it 
doesn't not every year, has to 

1049
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,000
be a step forward to be a 
success as like. 

1050
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,000
So, next year, we don't have to 
make a sweet 16 or it's a 

1051
00:54:24,008 --> 00:54:26,700
failure. 
But that said, like we advance 

1052
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:28,900
one step further in the 
tournament this year than we did

1053
00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:30,800
last year we got a protected 
seed. 

1054
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,600
We got a double by in the Big 
Ten tournament. 

1055
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,800
We swept Purdue, we swept 
Michigan. 

1056
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:37,800
We you know, got a winning 
record in the Big Ten like we 

1057
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,100
made a lot of steps forward this
year from last year and that's 

1058
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:44,900
that is all good and important. 
I mean that's that's as you said

1059
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:47,700
I'd love to also accelerate to a
final four but you have to walk 

1060
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:50,900
before you run and so many of 
these years that you and I have 

1061
00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:53,400
been doing this podcast, we're 
not even walking we're just 

1062
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,000
sputtering, you know? 
We We I can't I've not done it, 

1063
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,000
but outside of like the number 
one ranked here with Old Depot 

1064
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,700
and Zeller, I can't think. 
And that was kind of a 

1065
00:55:01,707 --> 00:55:05,000
hypercharge, you know, that was 
hyper-charged getting good. 

1066
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,700
I can't think of a year we made,
you know, back-to-back. 

1067
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:09,800
Here's we're just we're getting 
better and we're just knocking 

1068
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,500
off and we're just taking steps 
forward year after year and, you

1069
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:17,600
know, so that's where I also 
again, leave encouraged This is 

1070
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:23,300
a larger conversation that we're
probably too close to to talk 

1071
00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:25,300
about now. 
But, you know, it's been a lot 

1072
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:28,600
of talk about Trace Jackson. 
Davis has Legacy, you know, and 

1073
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,600
where he fits within the history
and the hierarchy of IU 

1074
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,400
basketball. 
Actually, I don't think this is 

1075
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,700
the right time to answer that 
question. 

1076
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:39,200
I think that there's you need to
get some distance. 

1077
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,600
You know, there's been a lot of 
love for tjd rightfully. 

1078
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,400
So on social media and certainly
you look at the way he ended 

1079
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,200
this. 
I mean and I'm not talking about

1080
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,900
like last few games and over the
last couple of months and it's 

1081
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:57,900
an unassailable resume of 
accomplishment and effort and 

1082
00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:01,700
you know, it's going to be 
interesting or think with him in

1083
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:03,800
particular trying to figure out 
exactly. 

1084
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,300
Like, how do you put them into 
context because a lot of people 

1085
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:09,700
will point to. 
Well, he hasn't won in when a 

1086
00:56:09,707 --> 00:56:12,500
Big Ten Championship he never 
got past the second round of the

1087
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:17,100
NCAA tournament. 
He also had maybe, you know, No,

1088
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:20,800
among the worst runs of luck of 
neiu. 

1089
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,300
Good eye--you player. 
I mean, Walt Bellamy's right up 

1090
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:26,100
there in terms of like oh you go
to IU like right? 

1091
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:29,200
When they go on probation for, 
you know, for other violations 

1092
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,700
elsewhere in the athletic 
department. 

1093
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,500
And there's a few other people 
Calbert cheaney and never won a 

1094
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:37,700
national title. 
But I mean he didn't cause Alan 

1095
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:39,900
Henderson's need a buckle, you 
know. 

1096
00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:44,600
So it's one of those things 
where Trace watching him grow, 

1097
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,700
specially this yeer and watching
him. 

1098
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,600
Become the reason why Indiana 
went as far as it did in the 

1099
00:56:50,607 --> 00:56:51,800
compost. 
What it did. 

1100
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,200
You know, I'm looking forward to
kind of getting a little bit of 

1101
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,600
a distance and really thinking 
about where he fits into the 

1102
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,400
big, the big, you know, picture 
with IU basketball. 

1103
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,700
But there's no question in my 
mind that what he did this year,

1104
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:09,200
in terms of a single season's 
worth of effort and, and and 

1105
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,600
statistical accomplishment, and 
Leadership has to rank up there 

1106
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,300
with some of the best individual
seasons and Indiana's hat, like 

1107
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:19,300
they've had Better players on 
better teams. 

1108
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,900
I don't know that they've had a 
player on a team that had as 

1109
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:27,900
many limitations do, as much as 
Trace Jackson Davis, did to drag

1110
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:32,300
them over the finish line. 
And, and that to me is, that's 

1111
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:33,800
the thing. 
I'll probably remember most 

1112
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,300
about him, and I think that's 
got to be something that factors

1113
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:38,600
into the conversation. 
When you think about like, where

1114
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,300
he fits into the big scheme of 
things Without You basketball, I

1115
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:45,700
agree 100% on all that. 
I'm not ready to do the the late

1116
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:46,800
where he fits talk. 
I do. 

1117
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,700
No and it's going to take some 
time but he fits like he's there

1118
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:52,600
he's somewhere. 
And yeah, the what he's done 

1119
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:55,400
this year, the growth he had 
from last year to this year in 

1120
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,100
his game was think I mentioned 
earlier podcast. 

1121
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:00,900
Like it's up there with that, 
you know, Oladipo jump from, you

1122
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:04,000
know, sophomore to junior year 
like he really added so many 

1123
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,800
pieces to his game became such a
huge part, the stats. 

1124
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:10,400
I never thought I'd see somebody
a mass was kind of stats in 

1125
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,100
college again. 
He played in a in an odd time 

1126
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:16,800
odd, coaching thing, you know 
with Arch, it's just there. 

1127
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:20,400
There's a lot to unpack there 
and to those who say, you know, 

1128
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,600
well you can't be one of the 
greats without, you know, team 

1129
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,200
success at Indiana. 
It's like, well, maybe we need 

1130
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,200
to rethink some of those things.
Like, I mean, we're just we're 

1131
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,100
no longer in the night are 
winning two titles, every 10 

1132
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:32,800
years and going to three or four
final fours. 

1133
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,200
If we're just not doing that, 
that's not the way our program 

1134
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,100
is. 
So it's not fair to say that's 

1135
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,200
how we rank greatness. 
Because like, then we're never 

1136
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,700
going to have great players, and
we just saw a great player and 

1137
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:45,000
he was fantastic. 
He was amazing. 

1138
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,200
And we are Going to miss him 
next year but next year is gonna

1139
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,900
look different. 
We're gonna see different things

1140
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,300
but there will be times when 
guys are driving the lane. 

1141
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:55,200
I'm like man, we just need 
someone to the post. 

1142
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,000
You can like block and like it 
is nice when you could just give

1143
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,300
it to trace. 
And and now is like, I was, he's

1144
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:03,100
a great free-throw, shooter not 
me, he improved so much to his 

1145
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:05,000
game. 
He was here for four years. 

1146
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,400
I'm with you, you know, I don't 
know where to put him, but he, 

1147
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,600
he is up there in that 
hierarchy, even though he didn't

1148
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,800
get the title or the Deep 
tournament run or the Big Ten, 

1149
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:20,900
Title he is up there when you 
start talking about some of the 

1150
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:23,900
great players, he's in that 
first paragraph which to me is 

1151
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,100
where we started from there. 
We'll figure that out later. 

1152
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:29,900
But he has earned the right to 
be in that first paragraph which

1153
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:32,300
to me is something. 
Yeah. 

1154
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,900
I mean, we'll talk about it more
as we move forward. 

1155
00:59:34,900 --> 00:59:38,900
And look, I think this whole 
senior group, you know, a we've 

1156
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:42,200
got our criticisms of all of 
them at one point or another, 

1157
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:47,700
you know, the end of it all we 
wanted Miller cop to being but 

1158
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:50,400
become a more consistent outside
shooter and by the end of his 

1159
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,200
time here he definitely 
accomplished that he 44.4% from 

1160
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:59,000
three you know second best 
three-point shooter on the team 

1161
00:59:59,500 --> 01:00:04,200
was the 44th most efficient In 
all of college basketball this 

1162
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,500
year. 
When I know you're trying to 

1163
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:09,100
wrap it like throw a quick like 
the race thing I look at, you 

1164
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:10,800
know, you talked about like what
could have been with Xavier. 

1165
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,100
Like I look at race for his 
career like what could have been

1166
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:17,000
because the moments that Kent 
State game, he is all over the 

1167
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,400
place, he's hustling. 
He's just going after. 

1168
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,100
Everything is hitting threes, 
and he's a guy who was just 

1169
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:24,400
snake that we're learning. 
Now, he had even more injuries 

1170
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,500
that he was dealing with him. 
He's a guy who just never was 

1171
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:30,200
fully healthy the entire time he
was here and you have little 

1172
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,400
bursts and then you have a 
concussion Russian you get 

1173
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,200
injured or you know he just he 
always was kind of battling 

1174
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,300
something and I just wondering 
if you play his career 100 more 

1175
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:41,200
times and you have a couple 
Reese fully healthy, what could 

1176
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,100
he have turned into? 
Because he when he was right, he

1177
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:48,100
was an amazing amazing piece to 
add to the team. 

1178
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,800
You know, this this IU program 
has has just. 

1179
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,900
It's felt like, you know, 
someone threw a black cat into 

1180
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:01,400
the room, like, you know, ten 
years ago and it's just, it's 

1181
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,300
been A lot of bad mojo and it's 
manifested itself in a bunch of 

1182
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:09,500
different ways and so, it does 
kind of fee. 

1183
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:12,400
I feel like this season again 
wasn't perfect. 

1184
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,900
It's just a, well, it Dove it, 
but, you know, it felt like a 

1185
01:01:14,908 --> 01:01:17,700
cloud got lifted a little bit on
IU basketball. 

1186
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:19,600
And I know there's going to be 
some fans out there who are 

1187
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,200
still very, you know, 
disenchanted or disappointed in 

1188
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:27,200
how things went or how things 
finish and I get that but, you 

1189
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,800
know, I think realistically 
people are going to look back on

1190
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,200
this season and they're going to
be like You know what? 

1191
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,000
That was fun. 
There were fun times that 

1192
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,400
happened. 
It didn't finish the way that we

1193
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,000
hoped that it would, but it was 
a fun season overall with some 

1194
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,400
accomplishments not the 
accomplishments that people 

1195
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,600
want, not what we measure people
on. 

1196
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:47,300
But again, as we said, this was 
the third time since the turn of

1197
01:01:47,300 --> 01:01:49,200
the century. 
Basically that Indiana had been 

1198
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,300
a protected seed in the NCAA 
tournament. 

1199
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,300
This is not a top-level program.
This is a program that is trying

1200
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:58,200
to get back to that level and 
it's a program that's trying to 

1201
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,500
do that in the midst of a 
tremendous amount of upheaval. 

1202
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:04,800
And change within college 
basketball as a whole. 

1203
01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:09,900
It's a lot of moving parts and I
I salute the seniors and the 

1204
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:13,500
coaching staff and the athletic 
department for putting the stuff

1205
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:17,300
into place that allowed them to 
be a four seed in the NCAA 

1206
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:20,900
tournament, beat Purdue twice, 
have some other impressive 

1207
01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:26,100
victories along the way and and 
give Indiana a I think a really 

1208
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:30,400
good season in the annals 
certainly I mean what this was 

1209
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,300
probably the The fourth best 
season of the entire Century so 

1210
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:37,000
far for IU basketball. 
Maybe the fifth best? 

1211
01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:43,200
I mean, it's in the top five at 
this point of of 23 years of 

1212
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,100
basketball so far in this 
century and that's I will always

1213
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:51,400
remember that and I will I will 
it made following the team more 

1214
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,200
fun than it has been in quite a 
while and Scott you and I 

1215
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,100
podcast about this twice a week.
It has not been fun to talk 

1216
01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:59,700
about IU basketball. 
It was fun to talk about IU 

1217
01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:02,300
basketball this year ago. 
Agreed. 

1218
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:03,900
And that's the true measure of a
team. 

1219
01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:05,700
Do we in? 
Do we enjoy getting? 

1220
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:08,800
Is it something spat wants to 
bring up at his next cell sir 

1221
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,500
tasting? 
You know, that's, that's the, 

1222
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:11,800
that's the matter. 
What? 

1223
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:15,000
Again, this is not the measure, 
but this is, you know, I'm, I'm 

1224
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,100
only sad because I enjoyed 
watching. 

1225
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:20,900
As frustrated, seem could be at 
times, they're great, they're 

1226
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:23,300
highs were high and they were 
fun to watch. 

1227
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,800
And I enjoyed watching, you 
know, guys like race and more 

1228
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,000
cop and Trace Jackson Davis. 
And, you know, for the first, 

1229
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,100
you know, definitely, during 
some of those are Archie years 

1230
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:33,900
of those creamy years, like this
point, the year, I was like, I'm

1231
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:35,300
so happy to be done watching. 
Yeah. 

1232
01:03:35,308 --> 01:03:36,700
See there's an ordeal those 
time. 

1233
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,600
I did not. 
I do not feel that today. 

1234
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,100
That the sadness I have is just 
that I don't get to see these 

1235
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:44,500
guys compete anymore. 
I know they're bummed too. 

1236
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:48,000
So yeah, it's nice to feel that 
at the end of the year where 

1237
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,100
it's like, I kind of, you know, 
want a little bit more, we'll be

1238
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:53,200
back with more, probably not 
this week. 

1239
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,800
We're gonna take a little bit of
time off, but as the roster 

1240
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,200
changes as it will will be, will
be here to talk. 

1241
01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:03,200
Be sure to tune in also tune 
into our Friends across the back

1242
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,600
home network and be sure to 
check out what's going on with 

1243
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,900
IU Women's Basketball. 
They play Miami tonight and 

1244
01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:12,500
hopefully win that game. 
Go on to the Sweet 16 and will 

1245
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:13,700
be on to talk about that as 
well. 

1246
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:17,300
Anyway, for Scott, I'm Galen 
thanks for joining us throughout

1247
01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:19,500
the course of the Season. 
Folks will catch you. 

1248
01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:22,600
Folks on the flip side, bring 
back the Bison, so everybody