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You're listening to the back 
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Hey there, welcome back to 

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Crimson Cass. 
Scott here with you. 

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Super excited for this podcast. 
Today we have Dan from punt, 

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John punt. 
It's one of my favorite places 

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to go in the, I use fear to get,
kind of a unique perspective on 

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We talk about what went wrong 
last season, which there's a lot

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of options, what is going to go 
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What may not go right this year?
What we can look at ahead this 

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year and they get into a really 
interesting discussion with Dan 

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about, you know, why he started 
pun, John pump kind of He did 

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it. 
What goes into putting out a 

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site like that? 
On a week-by-week basis and a 

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season by season basis. 
And I know he posted this on his

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side, but we talked about, you 
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away, which is, you know, I 
found interesting because I know

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we've had similar points in time
at Crimson Castro. 

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We've had, you know, the same 
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It's a, it's a lot to put out 
and kind of the interest, you 

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know, for us, as kind of dipped 
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about that. 
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inside baseball, kind of Behind 
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But if you have any interest in 
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takes but you know what it does 
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out a podcast or to put out a 
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know Indiana Athletics for a 
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I think it's a really 
interesting discussion. 

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I really was happy to have Dan 
share it. 

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I've always really appreciated 
his opinions got a unique view 

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of IU football and I thought it 
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excited to share that with you. 
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We'll get to our discussion with

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Dan from punt, John punt. 
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This fall looking forward to 
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looking forward to basketball 
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I think you all know, but 
definitely excited to get 

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another year under the belt with
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So thank you all for the support

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for listening for the tweets, 
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So that further Ado here is Dan 
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It's a Pleasure to have day and 
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One of for me, one of the OG 
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there been doing it. 
A long time, always has a very 

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unique view, an interesting 
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enjoy going after games and 
getting information, but Dan, 

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glad to have you on the show, 
man. 

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Thanks Scott. 
Thanks for the kind words. 

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Yeah, we're you know, we were 
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to us. 
Again, the small sliver of IU 

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fans that want to look at 
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A little a little differently 
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box store and game story type 
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sites. 
It is very valuable but it's not

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may be telling all in providing 
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football nuts like to have yeah 
it is without you football. 

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It's always like I feel like 
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example of like what a program 
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interest, a program can help no 
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Like you're always going to have
to Laughs three websites like 

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30,000 fans like no matter what 
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There's always like, 32,000 
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It's like, this is like any 
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big time level is just like, 
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could have because it feels like
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Right? 
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football. 
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Like there's just yeah, that's, 
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and I think I would say that 
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lower but we'll get into it as a
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we're, we have a chance to do. 
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on this year but I don't want to
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the first few minutes of the 
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be awesome. 
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year, you know, I just have to 
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talk to you at the site a little
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But the first question is, you 
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what the hell happened last 
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Like that was a wild year, you 
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There was high expectations. 
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Yeah, I've tried to put most of 
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if you think back a year ago we 
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It's forgot to attend. 
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to this time last year like you 
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bit while still being, you know,
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year there were those, you know,
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I forget where Warlow team. 
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think 84 is like a floor now, 
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aggressive. 
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next step in his development and
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disaster. 
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to boil it down my and I also 
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it was harder than we thought it
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great, turned out to be much 
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Michigan, State's and then it 
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me on that, but they're probably
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than we thought. 
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boil it down I think it's Tom 
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effective coach when he has to 
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him and last year, I don't think
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with them and then least of all 
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extent on defense. 
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all the injuries and then put in
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coaching staff, Was well beneath
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situation where things can get 
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Sure enough they did. 
Yeah, I it's not an excuse. 

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I mean, I just did a pod with 
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We're I'm pretty critical of 
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I was pretty critical last year 
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have to be taking a step back. 
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everything that could have gone 
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You know, I still think you 
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coaching staff went into the 
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also had seen penix play and 
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was at Iowa, like I'm still a 
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way there, but I was there. 
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I'm like I could tell he's not 
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level, he needs to be and it 
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from injury, but if you're the 
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know, I'm still annoyed. 
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kind of be like, well, we never 
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this was happening. 
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Ball but on the flip side like 
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you know, McFadden's targeting 
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automatically win the Cincinnati
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In State game and that was a 
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Maybe you go. 
You know for Nate's, not 

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awesome. 
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Cincinnati beaten, a Michigan 
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falling to the depths of the Big
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pull out the Maryland game and 
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Well, that sucked but at least 
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this. 
It was a everything went wrong 

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here. 
The thing that I'll say is you 

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mentioned Alan and the Peace 
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I don't want to keep poking out,
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Like I do think something 
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There was a magical moment after
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Wisconsin game in 2020, we beat 
Wisconsin. 

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All the players were running by,
you know, this is the best coach

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in the country. 
Come play for this guy, it's all

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Elio. 
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And then, you know, we kind of 
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tournament we get jobs out of a 
New Year's Day six bowl. 

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And then it's like Alan went 
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a place of Love to being a coach
coaching, from a place of anger 

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and being slighted and we take 
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And honestly, nothing good has 
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team last year did not look like
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year before. 
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a while that, you know, when he 
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we're pissed. 
We're taking the, you know, 

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we're chip on her shoulder like,
that was not the way that team 

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played. 
That's not the way he coaches 

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successfully, and I'm curious to
see if that comes back, but I am

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curious. 
It's on that. 

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Like I do think that Alan kind 
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like two or three months was 
just a really, it was not the 

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way that he coaches and his 
successful. 

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Yeah, I think that's a pretty 
fair fear. 

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Yeah, I mean, I think I think 
something happened there and it 

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clearly didn't whatever he was 
trying to pull off going into 

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the Ole Miss game for to didn't 
work for a motivational 

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standpoint. 
I would go. 

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I mean to me? 
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two points at sorry. 
My dog is going crazy to better.

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He decides he wants to weigh in.
On Tom Allen is no, no, this is 

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a, this is a crimson cap. 
Staple a Gail's. 

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Got dogs. 
I've got a dog. 

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They all they all Bell Go. 
I mean, to cut you off. 

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It is funny. 
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like, I'm not going against my 
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think, like, oh, we got smoked 
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Bowl. 
It's like we lost by six like 

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not too. 
It's like it was a closer game 

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than please. 
Go ahead. 

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A don't have to lead later 
release. 

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Foreclosed if I can recall 
correctly, came back. 

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Anyways and tunnel didn't play 
well but whatever. 

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So, but I think, yeah, they're 
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consider possible high points. 
The Allen are and I think the 

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obvious choices that Wisconsin 
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ranked or what that set up for 
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to the Purdue ending in 2019 we 
won that game. 

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Took us to eight and four set up
a good bowl bowl. 

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You know, situation was Alan's 
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think that at that point to me 
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there because K Lambda bar was 
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like absolutely should have lost
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different ways and they didn't, 
which is awesome. 

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I'm glad they didn't, it was 
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that goes the other way, who 
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season? 
Michigan state was in complete 

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disarray throttled them a number
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more to opt outs than I. 
You dance, while he was in a 

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unique position to take 
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they got to go play at places 
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you know, our Home field or lack
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everyone else's home field 
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So I think that I took advantage
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otherwise they weren't 
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they presented themselves to be.
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to roost in 2021 where I agree 
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That I don't think we're 
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intent team but we also weren't 
good weren't Bowl to you, you 

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know, I think, you know, with 
pain explain away his playing 

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and everything else. 
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It could have easily could have 
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know. 
It's hard to get 26 based on the

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way they logged. 
Yeah. 

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And and this is where, you know,
I will then again I'm just going

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to keep doing circles on this 
but it's kind of where I am 

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without you football. 
Like there's really yin and yang

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here but you like I did you know
everything went wrong last year.

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I'll give him that excuse. 
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jarring about it? 
When he take a step back is as 

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you well know you've been an IU 
football fan for years. 

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As have I we've had some 
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garbage, coaches, Bad seasons, 
very few coaches it. 

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I you'll, or have gone over in 
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2 and 10. 
It's like, that's where I have 

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to take a step back and it's 
like, alright, a lot of shit 

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went wrong, but a lot of stuff 
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Cameron, he had a lot of bad 
luck and he always seemed to win

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a big 10 game. 
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awesome but he was always able 
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You know, it puts that season is
like just an outlier amongst a 

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ton of Bad seasons. 
Like we've seen so many for date

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and three and seven years and, 
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Big Ten, but every coach has 
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winner too. 
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back and it's like just to let 
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you know, to have that, you 
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38, 23 and just not win a big 10
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It's like, it puts you in Pretty
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there's guys that Cameron who 
like that was not a great four 

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years and a lot of things like 
he had a lot of bad luck and a 

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lot of things didn't work, 
right? 

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He had tough teams to play but 
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talent and he had Randall L, but
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It's just like, that's the part 
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this was that was really a 
monumentally bad season. 

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favor that Cam Cameron and 
Lynch. 

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Also neither one of them really 
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Cam Cameron certainly and Bill 
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leaders. 
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mostly but didn't get to the 
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So, fair point, I think if you 
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you put them against on the car.
Lot, with Iowa's, one of the 

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Crossovers, like, things start 
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like so I think and I think 
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that point in the season he had 
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kind of get it. 
They couldn't find an answer 

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quarterback. 
Yeah, there was no one's when I 

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was walking through that door to
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the most of the talent at Now 
you secondary had been was heard

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at that point and it was just 
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embarrassing and she never 
happened. 

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But like the team was gone. 
They team has done like they 

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wanted to season to be over and 
I did too, I get it. 

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No he didn't. 
I did too. 

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So here's you know as we look at
this year, just from a high 

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level, you know, this is It's 
the exact same Preamble I had 

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with gaalan yesterday as we did 
the Pod kind of thinking about 

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this year. 
You know, there's really a 

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dichotomy between these two, 
these two, Seasons is that last 

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year, was monumentally bad and I
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They they lost it. 
You know like I said we were 

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going into 2020 you know we had 
Nick Sheridan as a new 

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coordinator and that was like a 
thing where like all right well 

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there's this is a big question 
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Like you know, how are we gonna 
do with a new offensive 

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coordinator? 
And I was a question mark. 

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We were worried about, you know,
the year that, you know, we went

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from, you know, Ramsey to penix 
like, all right. 

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Well, you know, we haven't seen 
his penis and he held it gets a 

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question mark at quarterback. 
Do we have to Nuke? 

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Coordinators a new running backs
coach we have no you know 

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quarterback is a question mark, 
we have no returning running 

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backs basically no returning 
wide receivers I know you. 

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I always think of you. 
It's like the only coordinator 

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we kept was our o-line coach. 
That may be the most ineffective

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coordinator we have you on 
defense again eyesight. 

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That Cincinnati game that you 
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Once he was out, it's like, well
then we had to loosen said, 

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yeah, well, he's not here. 
You know, there's question marks

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or any one of those question 
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If it was just that one, We be 
going to the season thinking, 

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like well without a quarterback.
I know. 

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No way we can more than four. 
So there's that side of the 

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coin, the flip side. 
And again, this is exactly what 

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I said in the last pods to 
apologize to listeners. 

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But it's it's a weird spot where
in the other side of the coin is

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something that is a costume. 
It's talked about that, you 

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know, 2020 is not the Mirage and
that, you know, the five six 

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years preceding. 
That Indiana was finishing the 

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season either with a chance to 
make a bowl, or making a bowl 

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and they've, you know, been 
making bowls proceeding that, A 

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year. 
So you know, when you look at 

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the totality of Alan's career, 
2021 is the outlier and it kind 

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of puts you on the spot. 
Like what this is, where I'm 

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interested in the season. 
But I'm curious your thoughts 

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like to me, it's like what what 
is where are we going? 

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Because on one hand he's like 
well that was last year's the 

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outlier we're kind of going to 
be back to you know five or six 

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win normal and hitting the shot 
at a bowl or is it that we're 

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just you know because and 
finally I'll say you know 

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historically what Indiana goes 
to and 10. 

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It's like the death. 
Rattle before we have a 

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three-year just rebuild from 
hell and all indicators point to

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this year, being really bad. 
So I'm just, I'm curious if you 

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see it going which way, you see 
it going. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, I my, I'll start with 

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your last point, which is what I
think is, I think the 

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overarching theme Here is that 
when coach value football, coach

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loses momentum, it is so hard to
get it back at a place like IU 

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and and Tom Allen has 
Unequivocally, lost moment. 

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You see us dead in the water 
right now and that's just the 

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reality. 
And I will say that it is easier

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potentially to get some of that 
back in the transfer era, but 

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it's still not easy and it's not
easy with the schedule that he 

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faces this year. 
And so I think you can make a 

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case that the talent that's on 
this team could win five to six 

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games, but so much has to go, 
right? 

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For that to happen. 
And I don't think you can count 

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on that. 
So, in my mind, we're in a three

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to four wins scenario. 
Now, I'll also say that it is 

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very easy and you'll see a 
nationally. 

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I mean, if hurts heard 
elsewhere, I everyone that I 

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heard or talk to you think's 
under IU. 4.5 wins is like a 

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sure thing, bad. 
And I again tend to agree but 

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it's these things like you said,
tend to level out maybe some 

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luck injury luck. goes, I use 
way but to me the whole thing a 

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lot of it boils down to is Walt 
Bell and effective offensive 

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coordinator and is he a real 
upgrade over Nick sharing that 

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is Totally up in the air, his 
resume in some ways points. 

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Yes, almost everyone's resumes 
better than Nick Sheridan's when

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he started, it's not his fault. 
He just was hired. 

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He was not qualified for the 
job. 

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He was hired to do and that's 
time. 

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I'll tell me. 
Alan's fault 100% but, you know,

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his ball. 
Bella's resumes somewhat good. 

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Some bad. 
Everyone says is really smart. 

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Will see if he's good and he has
a good quarterback then maybe 

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they can they have? 
The, I think it's to me, it's 

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fairly clear. 
Do they have the skill position 

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Talent outside of quarterback to
have a decent? 

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Big Ten, average ish offense, 
but if if we are still in a 

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debate, As to whether basil lack
is. 

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Better than Jack Tuttle, then I 
you doesn't have a big 10 

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average or better quarterback. 
Yeah. 

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Now if that's just Tom Allen, 
not wanting to give away details

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and I cannot for the life of me,
wrap my head around. 

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What is the advantage? 
Pettit Advantage. 

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Illinois would get from Jack. 
Tuttle versus Connor basil at 

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quarterback. 
I can't figure out what they're 

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going to learn in one case and 
not the other. 

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But anyways, were apparently 
were hiding that information. 

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But if we if it really is A 
close we've seen. 

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We've seen from Total. 
There isn't a good quarterback 

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on the roster and whatever wall 
Bell does, it's going to be 

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trying to get to average at 
best. 

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And if that's the case, if we 
have an average offense at best 

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in the Big Ten, even if the 
defense takes a step back 

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forward back to where it was 
before last year, we're looking 

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at it above average defense in 
the Big Ten, and it probably 

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below average offense, and we're
be fighting to win five games. 

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And I, and that's again, that is
with base. 

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On an offensive line that's 
going to be well below average. 

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It's just the reality of it. 
They're not going to be better 

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that we have. 
It offensive line coach. 

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Who was woefully woefully under 
qualified underperformed. 

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And the only reason he has his 
job, the only reason it's not 

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recruiting, is not development, 
it's not playing the field by 

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his spice players. 
It is that he's friends with Tom

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Allen and that is 100% fact. 
No other program in the country.

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Would keep this man. 
A lot around after giving what 

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we've seen and we have that. 
So again a top of all that I 

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just don't see how all that 
comes together and adds up to 

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six or more wins. 
Which is what you have to have 

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it to be a success. 
It cannot be fine. 

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It can't be 5, because 5 doesn't
get your momentum back. 

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It looks a little better than 
two but it five wins. 

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Does not get this program back 
on the path that needs to be on.

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00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,000
It's an improvement I guess. 
But it's right back where we 

444
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,300
were in 2017 2018 and it's just 
that good enough. 

445
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,300
Now time Ellen won't go 
anywhere, it was a result of 

446
00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:42,800
that but we're going to if we're
likely to stay in purgatory 

447
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,000
where we're just kind of in this
225 win realm. 

448
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,400
That's just again, that's just 
where I kind of land. 

449
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,800
And now, but I happy to be wrong
as so couple things there. 

450
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,900
I'm going to remind me to come 
back to the momentum thing. 

451
00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:58,000
But you mentioned the kind of 
that the, you know, us hiding 

452
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,600
the secret of who our 
quarterback is to thoughts of 

453
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,900
that. 
First, I sit with my friends, 

454
00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:05,600
Jeff and Carol at the game and 
free, we've been sitting 

455
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,900
together since the 2009. 
So we've seen a lot of else and 

456
00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:12,100
we've often joked that are our 
best defensive play that we call

457
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:14,300
is as bad radio. 
But we just is this. 

458
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,300
Just like it's the only guy with
his hey I Shrugged shrugging 

459
00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:18,400
Emoji. 
See that multiple. 

460
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,100
Times will see like the 
defensive coordinator caught the

461
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:23,500
player, you'll send a safety out
to call the play and like a 

462
00:23:23,508 --> 00:23:27,000
safety or D back a look back at 
the sidelines and be like what? 

463
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,300
And it's like the play calls and
we've often joked that. 

464
00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:33,300
Like even if we knew what the 
other team was running, I'm not 

465
00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:36,000
sure we'd be able to like, 
coordinate correctly to know 

466
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,200
that get to play in the right 
spot. 

467
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,600
It's like I wonder even if we 
just you know let Illinois know 

468
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,900
who our quarterback was to your 
point. 

469
00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:44,400
It doesn't really matter. 
I will say I was listening to a 

470
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,200
podcast about fantasy football, 
totally NFL related but they 

471
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:53,000
were Talking about the Broncos 
with Russell Wilson there and I 

472
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000
forget the other quarterback 
they've had quarterback battles 

473
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,700
that you know in Denver since 
Peyton Manning left but, you 

474
00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:01,400
know, now that Russell Wilson 
There, the point was like now 

475
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,700
that was starting quarterback, 
who knows what he's doing, but 

476
00:24:03,700 --> 00:24:05,900
he's like talking to the 
receivers, like, oh no. 

477
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:08,700
What I want you to cut around 
short, like not on the 30, like 

478
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:10,800
an inch before the 30 and then 
cut back to yard. 

479
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,600
Like he's really giving detailed
directions but the receivers 

480
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,500
were saying like it's so nice 
because we have a quarterback 

481
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:19,700
who knows what I was saying. 
Like would know that but it's 

482
00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:23,700
like if base lack is in a 
quarterback competition he can't

483
00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:26,500
kind of lead the team and tell 
receivers what to do if that's 

484
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:30,400
what he wants to do and maybe 
maybe he is a starter and he 

485
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,400
knows that the team knows it 
like so we don't know. 

486
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,400
But again it's like I do think 
this is I mean this with all 

487
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,900
love as a, you know, 20 you know
gosh 18-year season ticket 

488
00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:42,400
holder. 
It's like other teams get to 

489
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,400
play Coy and begin to place in. 
Michigan can do that stuff 

490
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,100
because they're good. 
Like we just need to play 

491
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:52,000
football and focus on us. 
Like we're not good enough to 

492
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000
have a fake quarterback battle. 
If there's not one and high 

493
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,000
plays like let's just know our 
plays and run them anyway. 

494
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,600
Yeah. 
And I think it would it really 

495
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,100
does to me. 
And yeah, it's hard to know 

496
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,200
because it's not entirely 
possible the whole team knows 

497
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,400
who the starter is, we just 
don't? 

498
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,100
But if we assume that, that what
I am is telling us is true and I

499
00:25:10,108 --> 00:25:11,900
just happened to look at listen 
to a little bit of his press 

500
00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:13,600
conference. 
That came up from earlier today.

501
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,000
I think it was where he said, 
no, we really don't know. 

502
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:18,400
We're still deciding if that's 
the case, it just makes it. 

503
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,100
Hard to have a true leader on 
the offense because yeah, you 

504
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:24,000
know, and so it's yeah. 
So to your point she's like I 

505
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,200
just if it's not basil a 
candidate and that that to me is

506
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,700
a bad sign on a slew of bad 
science heading into the season.

507
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,800
Momentum. 
I will just say this. 

508
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,000
I mean, my it's funny. 
One of my least favorite topics 

509
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,000
is like, you know, I you fan 
reaction to IU football but yet 

510
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:44,300
I seem to always talk about it 
and I'm like well I guess I'm 

511
00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:47,400
always interested in it. 
I just hate the idea that it's 

512
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,700
like you know fans got to bring 
in fans got to show up and like 

513
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:53,000
fans got a support. 
But you do mention momentum 

514
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:55,600
because this is where it's going
to be a tough year for IU 

515
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,200
football, in the fans in that, 
I'm very curious, a very 

516
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,200
curious. 
What the fan is with a stands 

517
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,100
are going to look like again. 
Illinois, but I would assume, 

518
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,000
you know, okay, you know, not 
great, not bad. 

519
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,600
But as I look at the schedule, 
like this is a year where the 

520
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,400
team is going to make, have to 
make their own momentum, because

521
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:19,500
if they beat Illinois, I just 
knowing I, you fans like most 

522
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:20,100
people. 
That's all right. 

523
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:21,500
Well, yeah. 
But like, we got to win but 

524
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,000
like, Illinois sucks. 
I guess not a good name. 

525
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,200
And then if we beat Idaho, we 
beat Western Kentucky, even at 

526
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,400
home. 
It's like, all right, y'all, I'm

527
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,300
like, those teams are like, I've
never heard of those teams, even

528
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:34,400
if we beat Cincinnati, We beat 
Cincinnati Nebraska mean, we're 

529
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,800
like, you know, we're 5 and 0, 
then things change, but if we're

530
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,100
like, you know, 2 & 3, 3 & 2, we
come home against Michigan for 

531
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:42,400
homecoming. 
We probably get slaughtered and 

532
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,400
then it's like everybody's like.
All right. 

533
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,800
Well, that's why I like that's 
how you. 

534
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,700
If you beat all the bad teams 
can't beat the good teams. 

535
00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:49,500
Nobody shows up for Maryland. 
And then it's like before, you 

536
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:52,300
know, it the seasons half in the
bag and then it's like we have 

537
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:54,200
Penn State and Purdue. 
It's like those are important 

538
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,400
games but the fans will be 
checked out. 

539
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,100
And so it's like this is where 
again you know, I don't want to 

540
00:27:01,108 --> 00:27:03,700
hear the team or Tom Allen 
crying about Fan support. 

541
00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:07,200
It's like you've got to just 
focus on you and just knowing, I

542
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,500
you football, knowing the fans 
knowing the schedule unless you 

543
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:13,100
just go 60 and beat Michigan, 
which is going to happen, you're

544
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:15,900
not going to have the fan 
support that you think you need 

545
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,800
or want or like, it's not going 
to be an intimidating spot in 

546
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,400
Memorial Stadium this year. 
So just don't even look for that

547
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,900
or expect that I will have no 
patience at all for any comment 

548
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,200
by Alan players at all about 
about fan support because they 

549
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,000
squander that last year and they
have no one to blame. 

550
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:36,400
Blame, but themselves and and 
you layer on top of that. 

551
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,000
A highly anticipated basketball 
season such that. 

552
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,200
Yeah, that's all the people are 
going to be even if things are 

553
00:27:44,208 --> 00:27:45,700
going. 
Well, people might be inclined 

554
00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:47,600
to check out or at least shift 
their focus. 

555
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,900
So it's to me, I think, I think 
if they win the first three 

556
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:53,400
games, which I think is a big if
it's specially with the 

557
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,100
Illinois, if they win the first 
two games, with a little bit of 

558
00:27:56,100 --> 00:28:00,700
style, they'll have some, some 
fans like some increase in fan 

559
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:02,900
support. 
And then if they can win, one of

560
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:06,300
the two Road games of Cincinnati
in Nebraska, and you come back 

561
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,300
at Foreign one, then maybe we're
onto something. 

562
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:12,300
I think you can survive a, you 
know, a loss to Michigan. 

563
00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:15,100
That isn't like a true dud but 
like, I, like you. 

564
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:18,100
I think more than likely come 
mid-october, you know, you and I

565
00:28:18,108 --> 00:28:20,600
will be watching the games and 
not too many more other people 

566
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,100
more likely than any better 
hope. 

567
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,700
We're really good. 
Weather like if it's cold and 

568
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:27,600
rainy like, oh yeah, no thanks. 
Yeah, I'm checking out, you 

569
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,500
know. 
And that's the thing that, you 

570
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:34,100
know, as a fan as I'm getting 
older too, like, I get so tired 

571
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:36,900
of be like you just have to like
by the time I still might I'm 

572
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:40,200
still going, but I get tired of 
like you have to have support. 

573
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,300
Like it's all this like you 
know, straw man arguments 

574
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:48,400
against the fans but last year 
it just it burned so much 

575
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,600
Goodwill and again, you know, as
if you're not part of the IU 

576
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,600
football sphere, it's like you 
could be from the outside like 

577
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,500
well who cares? 
You guys? 

578
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,000
Yeah. 
You suck for a lot of years ago 

579
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,400
who cares? 
You suck last year it's like 

580
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,400
well the difference is that 
totally different. 

581
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:04,300
We were getting better. 
And then we were kind of told 

582
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:06,400
this, you know, we're kind of 
like right, we're not. 

583
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:08,900
Not the dress, but not the 
bottom of the big candy, more 

584
00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:12,400
like we were moving up, and it's
not even that we didn't make a 

585
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,900
bowl. 
It's that, you know, and I've 

586
00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:17,400
lived through these bad years 
before. 

587
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,400
But it's like, I was kind of 
ready for them, like, the first 

588
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,800
year of Kevin Wilson or like, 
you know, the Mallory are 

589
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,500
started tailing off. 
I wasn't expecting his last year

590
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:26,300
but like, all right, you know, 
it's like God, we got it, we got

591
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:29,500
to reset. 
It's the one-two combination of 

592
00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:34,200
actually having, you know, 
expectations and then being 

593
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,200
completely something, you know 
that Ben Chapel his senior year.

594
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,900
I expect us to beat Michigan. 
We didn't but we're still four 

595
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:43,200
in a row and I think we played, 
you know, still have like five 

596
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,300
or six wins that year you know 
and played. 

597
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:46,600
All right. 
And we've had two years words 

598
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,800
like we're not great, we still 
have four Four Winds like the 

599
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:52,500
two and ten just getting boat 
race to the team giving up. 

600
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,400
No wins. 
The Big 10 like after talk of 

601
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,800
winning the Big Ten and me 
driving the Iowa, think of we're

602
00:29:57,808 --> 00:30:00,900
going to win it. 
Can it because like, it's that 

603
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,200
that's a really tough one to 
punch for a fan base. 

604
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,100
That's like a kid into like, you
know, somebody in the an abusive

605
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:07,000
relationship. 
A ship works. 

606
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,300
Like I've already been through 
enough nationally. 

607
00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:12,100
Nobody really most folks don't 
recognize it because it renders 

608
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:13,600
expect. 
So, yeah, in the end of it, 

609
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,900
Indiana does but within the fan 
base, then, you know, those of 

610
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:20,400
us who are dedicated to it last 
year, was the most painful year 

611
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,300
to be United football fan. 
And I don't think to me since 

612
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:26,200
I've been paying attention, 
second is even close. 

613
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:30,900
Like it was by far the most 
disappointing and painful season

614
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:33,400
to watch. 
And it, you know, teaches us all

615
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,800
like expectations because we 
just can't have them like Just 

616
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:42,700
not, you're not allowed, we're 
not entitled to them, and those 

617
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:46,000
are not for us. 
Well, it brings something Galen,

618
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,500
is brought this point up to 
like, this is the problem and 

619
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:51,000
we'll talk about your site, but 
this is kind of ties in with 

620
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
this. 
But this is the problem with IU 

621
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,600
football, especially with like, 
you know, fundraising and fans 

622
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,100
when joke about the fans in the 
stadium. 

623
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,600
But it's like, you know, IU 
basketball. 

624
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Obviously we've not been a 
top-tier program since the 

625
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,000
mid-90s but even in the last 15 
years, You have Big Ten titles, 

626
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,500
you have you know it's getting a
little bit dusty but you have 

627
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:12,500
the win over Kentucky and we 
held last year you have the win 

628
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:13,100
over. 
Purdue like. 

629
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:15,600
That was a fantastic. 
See it Assembly Hall. 

630
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,200
You'd beat /. 
Do you have a little mini run 

631
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,800
last year? 
You know you win, if you win a 

632
00:31:19,808 --> 00:31:22,100
tournament game you make the 
tournament like there are 

633
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,800
moments where it's like if you 
went to IU for four years, like 

634
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,700
all right we didn't go to the 
final four but like dude that 

635
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:30,100
Purdue game was awesome. 
Like you know, hey I use back in

636
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:32,300
business like I'm gonna throw 
200 bucks in the Varsity Club 

637
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:35,600
like I'm going to buy some 
sweatshirts like your this is 

638
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,200
where I you football. 
As these problems is like you go

639
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,000
nine years where it's just like 
nobody all my memories are like 

640
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,200
we came really close to getting 
within 14 points of Michigan. 

641
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,300
That's like and then you get but
then you had all these eyeballs 

642
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:53,000
on you and everyone's excited 
and you know, sorry I just I 

643
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,400
just rated because it's like the
Cincinnati game. 

644
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,000
Not only did they lose but it's 
like I'm there. 

645
00:31:58,100 --> 00:31:59,400
Sorry. 
I'm gonna rant for one minute 

646
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,900
and on the desk please like and 
they're like, it's hot, but it's

647
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:06,400
like there were people who were 
waiting in. 

648
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:09,700
Line for a hot dog, for the 
entire second quarter, like 

649
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:11,400
things were running out of 
water. 

650
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,800
There was no capacity of any of 
those concession stands. 

651
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,200
And I remember being pissed and 
tell him my wife. 

652
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,200
It's like, this is like if 
you're IU football, like this is

653
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,200
what you've been asking for. 
Like, you want to sell out like 

654
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,100
you want for it. 58,000 people 
here. 

655
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:27,800
Like guess what you got it? 
We're all here. 

656
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,200
We're not all Ohio State fans 
and I'll Michigan fans. 

657
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,400
It's all Indiana fans, like you 
can't sell us, hot dogs, like 

658
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,400
you can't get us water like 
you're not prepared. 

659
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,200
It was a bad experience and then
you also lost and then you just 

660
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,100
so the amount of Goodwill. 
It's just it's I'm not really 

661
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:45,900
making. 
I'm just blabbering all the same

662
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:48,500
point but it's just like it's 
that's the part where it was 

663
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:52,300
like just a system failure 
across the board and it just you

664
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:55,300
lose so many fans and so many 
people are like, alright, well, 

665
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:59,500
I gave it a shot, I'm checking 
out and they've got to find a 

666
00:32:59,508 --> 00:33:02,700
way to bring some of that back. 
They'll get that many chances to

667
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:06,300
like make plans and to, or to 
take casual fans and make them. 

668
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:10,000
Serious fans, and they shanked 
that one into the wards and it 

669
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,600
goes to your IU, basketball 
point. 

670
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,300
It's sort of is how you present 
yourself and IU basketball, 

671
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:19,400
still presents itself, even when
they sometimes somewhat as a 

672
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,300
national brand, and you see that
in the money, they throw around 

673
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:29,300
to get coaches and whatever else
and to as a Counterpoint to that

674
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,700
IU football. 
Cannot even afford to pay the 

675
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:38,200
buyout of a orderly. 
Underwhelming offensive 

676
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,500
coordinator, and the coach has 
to go into head coaches, go into

677
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:43,500
his own pocket, to pay part of 
the part, or some or all of the 

678
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:46,600
buyout. 
And that's just, it's 

679
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:49,900
inexcusable and I tell, you 
know, like you said, it's, we 

680
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:52,900
can't run the stadium, correct. 
All this stuff, it is, it is 

681
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,800
Mickey Mouse. 
I mean, it's and it's like, 

682
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,400
okay, well we're all supposed to
be bought into this. 

683
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,900
But like seriously, you get all 
this money from the Big Ten 

684
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:03,300
Network and we can't afford to, 
for a, for a six-figure buyout. 

685
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:06,600
That's chump change in modern 
college football, and this will 

686
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,500
kind of maybe going to some of 
our later conversations, but 

687
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:12,000
that's why. 
And I all is great, all this is 

688
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,400
good for the sport. 
None of it's going to be good 

689
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,600
for IU football because we just 
cannot compete because we just 

690
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,199
we don't have administrative 
support and because of that and 

691
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,300
the history of this, we also 
just don't have the fan support 

692
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:25,000
but again, I don't blame the 
fans at all. 

693
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:29,000
I blame all the history which we
can't really get past but also 

694
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,900
the way the current 
Administration handles football 

695
00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:34,900
and it's it's not, you know, 
it's not even close to except 

696
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:37,600
when you look at the practice 
facilities, you look at all of 

697
00:34:37,607 --> 00:34:39,500
it and it's none of it is up to 
par. 

698
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:44,400
Even though you don't you don't 
think ni L will benefit IU IU 

699
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,199
basketball, for sure. 
There's Trace Jackson Davis is 

700
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,900
back because of that I owe no 
other reason. 

701
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:52,900
He comes back in the free and IL
he's gone. 

702
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:57,000
I don't think. 
I mean, if you look at the way 

703
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:04,800
this is working big. 
Fan base has led by you know 

704
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,600
wealthy donors which I you 
doesn't have for football. 

705
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:12,000
Generally are forming these 
collectives where they all just 

706
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,900
pool their money and been 
players are paid in connection 

707
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:20,900
with some and effort and I know 
Indiana does it for basketballs 

708
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:24,400
mothers to and I get it but it's
paltry in comparison. 

709
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,000
And even if you compare it to 
like, let's say Nebraska, we're 

710
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,300
supposed to be competing against
in the Big Ten, you look at you.

711
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,800
Compare the importance of 
Nebraska football to their 

712
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,100
community and their state to 
Indiana football and it's not 

713
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:37,600
even close. 
So and even Iowa to its those 

714
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,600
programs that have that are a 
big deal in their area, even 

715
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,000
without a big Major Market and 
our big deal to their large fan 

716
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,700
bases. 
They're going to kill an ni l. 

717
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:48,300
So in the in the off chance that
were even even with one of them 

718
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,900
on everything else that comes to
recruiting, we lose, we're going

719
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:52,900
to lose on a night owl. 
You know, nine times out of ten 

720
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:55,200
Maryland's going to have their 
Under Armour but I mean it's 

721
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,900
just we don't have we have no 
advantage in the ni l space none

722
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,300
from football. 
Yeah. 

723
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,500
And this is kind of the negative
part of the, it's what I've 

724
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:06,900
talked to you about, you know, 
recruiting is that I give Tom 

725
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:08,600
Allen credit. 
We've gotten a lot, better 

726
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,600
nationally in our recruiting 
ranking, the trouble is like, we

727
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,400
don't play Utah, we don't play 
West Virginia, we don't play, 

728
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:17,100
you know, we don't play the 
schools that were out recruiting

729
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,700
now that we play in the Big Ten 
and the Big 10 East, and we've 

730
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:22,400
only moved up one spot and the 
same thing can be said for the 

731
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,300
money. 
It's like it's great that we're 

732
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:27,500
going to make 80 million dollars
a year in this new TV deal, but 

733
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:29,200
so is Michigan. 
So as you know, it's like we're 

734
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,600
not playing Oklahoma State. 
We're not going to play Kansas. 

735
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,800
Like, we're playing teams that 
are also going to the same 

736
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,100
amount of money we are. 
And so and and not Doom and 

737
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:41,600
Gloom, but like to your point, 
other schools, like Michigan 

738
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,000
Ohio State, even schools like 
Purdue have shown the ability to

739
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,100
kind of open the purse strings 
first assistance more than 

740
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:51,300
Indiana has the passing. 
They did open up the purse 

741
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:54,200
strings for Alan which was the 
right move at the time. 

742
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,400
And it's, we'll see how it plays
out. 

743
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,300
So I like they stepped up on 
that. 

744
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,700
But it's like, it's so much more
You have to open it up all 

745
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:03,100
across the board. 
Yeah. 

746
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:05,500
It's and it's like, yeah. 
They've barely scratched the 

747
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:07,900
surface and I, you know, do I 
wish it was different. 

748
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:09,500
It wasn't an arms race. 
Sure. 

749
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:14,800
But it, but it is and we're just
not equipped to keep up and it's

750
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,600
not going to get better. 
And I think there is a chance, 

751
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,100
sounds like the big tennis is 
going to go away and we'll sort 

752
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:22,000
of pod system for the big time, 
which is again. 

753
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,600
I've been wishing for this for 
decades but by the time I'm not 

754
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:25,700
a new, however, long it's been 
around. 

755
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:29,500
I've been wishing for it and not
be big, big Chinese, but by the 

756
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:31,500
time that is fine. 
Going to arrive, it's going to 

757
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:33,800
be too late for it to help 
program unfortunately because of

758
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,500
everything else that's hitting 
all the other waves that are 

759
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:37,900
getting that are against I use 
exceeding. 

760
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:42,700
The last thing I'll say and, you
know, I want to give Walt Bell 

761
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:45,300
time to show what he can do as 
offensive coordinator and we 

762
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:47,000
will see. 
So like the jury is still out, 

763
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,300
but the thing that I didn't like
is, you know, you you had this 

764
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:52,800
very underwhelming season, you 
lost momentum all the things we 

765
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,700
talked about. 
It did feel like if you're the 

766
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:59,000
University of you'll you're not 
going to buy out Alan and one 

767
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,800
bad year if I'm not going to 
Fire him. 

768
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,700
But it did feel like, you know, 
you need to now kind of double 

769
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:04,900
down with. 
You have a guy who's under 

770
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:07,900
contract for two or three years 
like Alan is not going anywhere.

771
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,600
So the solution is like you 
said, we need to get him a 

772
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,300
really good offensive 
coordinator. 

773
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,200
It felt like that was the time, 
it's like, alright, we got to be

774
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,800
in the market for who's the bit,
you know, who's the hottest? 

775
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,500
Who's the best at? 
Who can we spend the most on? 

776
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:23,500
And maybe Walpole will be 
awesome and I don't keep track 

777
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:26,100
of offensive coordinators in 
college football but just all 

778
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:29,300
the reaction that I read it 
didn't feel like what bell was 

779
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:30,300
one of the hottest. 
Hi. 

780
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:32,300
Is out there. 
And that's where again, it feels

781
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:36,000
like we're slowly going back to 
what I you football is always 

782
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,800
kind of done, which is just like
all right, who's who's a really 

783
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,800
good? 
But a good economical higher 

784
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,700
that we can get versus. 
Like, let's go ahead and let's 

785
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,000
have the highest offensive 
coordinator salary in the Big 

786
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,600
Ten. 
Like, let's just, let's say to a

787
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,400
million dollars for that. 
Let's just go do it. 

788
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,300
Yeah, I mean, what we got it was
soon as it became known that 

789
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:55,200
Alan had to pay part of 
Sheridan's by out. 

790
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,700
We knew we were not in the 
market for ya, one of the big 

791
00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:00,000
Corners, not a chance, so then 
it became okay. 

792
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,700
Who's the Best, you know, group 
of five coordinator or guy at a 

793
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:07,600
rebound, you can get it. 
While I was on a rebound he got 

794
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,700
fired from his first head 
coaching position at UMass and 

795
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,800
very poorly. 
I think he could argue that he 

796
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,000
was treated unfairly giving 
covid but it didn't go well and 

797
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,400
yeah I mean the thing is with 
won't values shown in his career

798
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,700
if somehow he puts together, if 
you pieces together an effective

799
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:26,700
offense which you know be nice 
if he did and they somehow win 

800
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:29,600
six games, he is gone at the end
of the year to the highest 

801
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,400
bidder and me. 
I will not keep them. 

802
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,000
So you mean that's the other 
thing? 

803
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
It's unfortunate. 
He's not he's not his no 

804
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,500
connection to this, you know, to
this school or to Alan really 

805
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:40,500
other than just he needed a job 
and Alan have one. 

806
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:42,700
So I think game camera was 
pretty good. 

807
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:44,900
Offense coordinator in the NFL 
we could bring him back. 

808
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,400
Yeah I mean if it was like that 
joke I think I think also think 

809
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,100
Alan like I don't know if Justin
for I would have been 

810
00:39:52,100 --> 00:40:01,800
interested. 
He wanted to get back to the 

811
00:40:01,808 --> 00:40:03,400
Midwest. 
Ended up coming back to the 

812
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:09,300
midwest state, which is probably
got similar money. 

813
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:12,200
If not more to be off the corner
line coach there. 

814
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,500
But like, that's an IU Alum from
Indiana, you know, relatively 

815
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:18,100
young guy and he's couple years 
older than me. 

816
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:23,000
Would have been a home run, but 
no way we could afford it and I 

817
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
probably no way Alan wants to 
bring in somebody. 

818
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,500
Who's that obvious of a 
candidate for replacement? 

819
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:31,500
I wouldn't if I were him. 
So So let's let's go a little 

820
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:35,800
meta here so because I so I 
mean, yeah, I mean, that's 

821
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,300
that's next football season and 
I'd like to have you back on 

822
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:40,300
before the end of the year, so 
it will talk before the end of 

823
00:40:40,308 --> 00:40:44,400
the football season, but you 
know, your site punch on punt 

824
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,400
people ask, you know, a lot, you
know, how do you know, Crimson 

825
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,300
Cass had you get started? 
Like I have, I have this, I want

826
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:53,000
to get started, you know, with 
with punch on punt. 

827
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000
How give us kind of the the 
origin story of, you know, why 

828
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,300
you did it? 
How you got started? 

829
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:03,200
Kind of You know, just the like 
I said, the origin story upon 

830
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,900
John thought, sure so good 
friend of mine for my you and I 

831
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,600
were you know, somewhat nerdy 
stats based fans starting in 

832
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,700
baseball. 
We're both Kelly business school

833
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:18,200
guys. 
We were you know, we were into 

834
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,400
the, you know, Moneyball type 
thing back in the early 2000s 

835
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,400
and then, you know, after after 
college we were obviously big IU

836
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,200
fans and they're kind of grew 
this Advanced stat. 

837
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,700
The world of college football 
and also like a lot more focus 

838
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:37,300
on the technical side. 
You know, describing how plays 

839
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:40,300
work all that kind of thing and 
the internet which is a great 

840
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:44,200
place for that especially in the
kind of early 2010's. 

841
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,100
I guess because you had Em Go 
blog was turning every single 

842
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:49,100
play. 
Michigan put out, you know, they

843
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:52,700
were deep and everything. 
There was smart football which 

844
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:56,200
was a Blog that I actually a 
lawyer put out who was just 

845
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,200
really into kind of how plays 
offense of systems. 

846
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,400
And defenseless with work. 
That was fascinating Bill 

847
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,300
Connolly at ESPN at that time, 
he was at a different site that 

848
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:10,700
I came to remember is be Nation 
used as an escalation. 

849
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:13,300
He was doing amazing things with
Advanced stats and we were Billy

850
00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:16,300
and I were thinking to 
ourselves, man is all great and 

851
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,900
none of this is going on as as 
it applies to Indiana football. 

852
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:21,700
All the you know there are other
plenty of other sites that were 

853
00:42:21,707 --> 00:42:23,800
doing this for their respective 
fan bases and it just didn't 

854
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,300
exist for us. 
And so the command it would be 

855
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:28,800
nice if somebody did that and 
maybe you know I guess 

856
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:31,800
eventually we kind of thought. 
Well, we Just do it and if no 

857
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,600
one reads a great but least will
have it will have that 

858
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,800
information and we created for 
ourselves. 

859
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,300
And so, that's what, that's what
we decided to do. 

860
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,600
We kind of the idea came around 
probably in 2013, and this was 

861
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,600
like, right? 
When Alan or not, Alan Wilson 

862
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,100
was starting to like really get 
moving the 2013 season was 

863
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,900
didn't go to a bowl, but we were
very interesting and we were 

864
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:53,600
dangerous and it was son failed 
and and Tevin Coleman. 

865
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,400
And, you know, and Cody Latimer,
you know, cetera all that grew. 

866
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,500
And we had no defense to speak 
of but it was at least 

867
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:02,300
interesting. 
And so in 2014, we started it 

868
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:05,600
and since then we've kind of 
changed a little bit but it's 

869
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,900
mostly Advance staff focused you
know will occasionally have just

870
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:14,000
kind of more General topics but 
it's Advanced that and I'll 

871
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,200
usually have gone through the 
years and broke down kind of 

872
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,200
different plays and different, 
you know, systems. 

873
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,300
And and we do a lot of charting 
of events that happened during a

874
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:28,400
game that are caught in the, in 
the, in the Box Score 

875
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,200
essentially. 
So I'm always Charlie I go. 

876
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,800
We want all the games that were 
played, figure out, you know, 

877
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,800
there was a pressure on this 
plane, who did it, here's the 

878
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,300
blitz. 
How many people came on that for

879
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:39,400
your rushed on that play on 
offense? 

880
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,600
It's not just, you know who 
caught it how far to the Past 

881
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,500
travel. 
How much was gained after the 

882
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:46,400
catch, you know, all that kind 
of stuff and so we we've tried 

883
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,200
to carve out a niche that's 
different than what others 

884
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,000
provide and delve a little 
deeper into into it. 

885
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,600
I mean it's you know, as I 
described it to others it's 

886
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,600
we've taken a very small fan 
base are really already and made

887
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,200
ourselves and enrich of that 
small fee. 

888
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:02,600
Fan base. 
So it's not exactly the best 

889
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,100
business model and sure enough 
we have made money on it. 

890
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:08,800
So but it's but it's, you know, 
it's a labor of love for us or 

891
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,300
has been for the last eight 
years. 

892
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,800
No, it's and I can't give you 
guys enough phrase that we've 

893
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,200
used your stats on our show 
numerous times. 

894
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,400
It's one of the places I go to 
get information. 

895
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,600
It's it's funny that you know, 
the MVA is really good at 

896
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,800
getting, you know, stats out and
they'll be is really good at 

897
00:44:26,808 --> 00:44:29,500
getting stats out. 
You know, you mentioned, Bill 

898
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:30,700
Connolly. 
Is awesome. 

899
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:33,900
He was great when he was just I 
got on his listserv of just a 

900
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:36,600
Google doc every year and it's 
like that was amazing. 

901
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,000
And then decide no time. 
He's been on our show. 

902
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,400
Every year has great stuff. 
It's like, he goes to ESPN, and 

903
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,900
it's like, it's like they're 
actively trying to bury his 

904
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:46,300
stuff. 
It's almost like he's like a 

905
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,300
refugee. 
It's like you have to really 

906
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:53,100
search ESPN to find his stuff 
like, you have to, and it's 

907
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:56,200
still not even so annoying. 
It is not even close to as 

908
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,800
informative as it was no years 
ago. 

909
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,500
Because if you remember eight 
years ago this You know, 

910
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:05,200
whatever it was let's say it's 
2015, 7 years or 2016 every 

911
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,400
single team, you click on them. 
It had a statistical profile 

912
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,800
where they had all of their 
information. 

913
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,100
Not behind a pay wall, all these
different Advanced tasks that he

914
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:15,800
followed. 
You can have it in a click and 

915
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,100
it was and it was like you could
really get an idea of what a 

916
00:45:18,107 --> 00:45:21,700
team was truly like from that 
and that isn't, that is gone 

917
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:24,700
even behind the paywall does and
it's just like, I don't move 

918
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:26,400
backwards. 
And again, I kind of like, you 

919
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,100
know, deserves to make the money
that he makes there. 

920
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:30,100
I don't begrudge him it at all 
but it's Ella. 

921
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:33,800
No, it's crazy. 
Bad at used to moving backwards.

922
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,600
In terms of the availability of 
advanced act, I was kind of 

923
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,100
exciting ones. 
I got great like they're really 

924
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:40,100
gonna pump him up and make him 
like Zach Lowe. 

925
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,800
And then it's just like, I have 
to search like, I live in got to

926
00:45:42,808 --> 00:45:46,900
Google at ESPN commonly week for
like it's Jimmy's hard. 

927
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,700
But so, if anybody goes to 
plunge on punt, now, you'll see,

928
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,900
you know that they have a post 
state of the site. 

929
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,500
You know, you're kind of taking 
a step back and it's 

930
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:59,600
interesting. 
We've had a we've had similar 

931
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,800
abs and Flows. 
Like I want to keep this focused

932
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,600
on you, but let me talk to 
myself for five minutes no, but,

933
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,700
you know, Galen and I started 
Crimson cast, very similar is a 

934
00:46:09,707 --> 00:46:12,300
labor of love. 
Like we both went to welcome to 

935
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:15,400
IU W, IU s alums and he and I 
were both kind of doing 

936
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,200
different podcast early in the 
podcast medium, but it's like I 

937
00:46:18,207 --> 00:46:22,300
was listening to like, very 
early, you know, Bill Simmons 

938
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:24,800
podcast. 
I just like, this is like we can

939
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,400
do this for other. 
We could do this, we started 

940
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,500
doing a bunch different things 
and it's like, I think there's 

941
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:31,400
no IU basketball. 
Football podcast was right 

942
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,600
around the time, freeing got 
fired or sorry, K Sampson got 

943
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,500
fired. 
And so we're like let's let's 

944
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:38,400
start that. 
And then so we started doing the

945
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,600
podcast and then, you know, we 
both like going to IU football 

946
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,900
game. 
So we started doing football 

947
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:45,700
stuff and it kind of grew from 
there, but, you know, he and I 

948
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:48,900
have also not made any money on 
this, like it is still always a 

949
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:53,900
labor of love, but you know, 
we've had the Ebbs and flows, 

950
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:58,300
also not as much for football, 
but definitely in basketball. 

951
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:00,800
I can some of those tough cream 
years, we got To a point where 

952
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,500
for us it was I don't know what 
else to say. 

953
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:05,300
Like I'm I'm running out of 
things to say and like in the 

954
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:07,700
end like I love IU basketball, I
love. 

955
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:09,800
I you football, like I'm 
critical because I love like I 

956
00:47:09,808 --> 00:47:13,200
wouldn't I wouldn't be 
podcasting for 10-plus years 

957
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,200
hours at a time missing Sundays 
with my kids. 

958
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,600
I didn't care about this and 
feel like I had stuff to say but

959
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,700
on the flip side, it's like 
there comes a point where I 

960
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:24,600
don't, I'm just tired of being 
critical and I don't know. 

961
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,800
So we took a Hiatus for quite a 
bit during the end of the Korean

962
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,100
Air, just cause we were kind of 
like just burn out of all of it.

963
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,600
You know, at the end of last 
basketball season before we made

964
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,100
a little run, you know, Gail and
I were both pretty weird burned 

965
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:41,900
out after last football season 
like, you know. 

966
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:46,000
Anyway, so I definitely. 
All I can say is, I know where 

967
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,300
you're coming from, but kind of 
the excuse, you know, verbalize 

968
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:51,700
some of what you said on the 
post where you're kind of, you 

969
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:54,500
know, also taking a step back 
from, you know, an active part 

970
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:56,000
of punch on time. 
Sure. 

971
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,300
And I'll start by saying I'm 
also a wi u s-- w, IU X along. 

972
00:48:00,300 --> 00:48:01,900
Which I didn't know that about 
you but yeah, that's great 

973
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:03,400
experience. 
But yeah. 

974
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,900
So what I said in the post is 
kind of a couple of years coming

975
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:11,100
but it's a combination of 
factors for me and and to Billy 

976
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:13,400
for a lesser extent to I can 
speak from a little bit but in 

977
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,100
both for both of us we're just 
gotten older. 

978
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:19,700
We started the blog here at the 
site in our late 20s. 

979
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:23,800
We're now in our mid-to-late 30s
you know he's got a bunch of 

980
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,300
kids. 
I'm about to have my third and 

981
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:29,500
few months and our jobs or even 
real jobs are busier than they 

982
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:33,500
used to be. 
And it was this. 

983
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:37,000
What we do like much like you do
takes a lot of time and it's, 

984
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,300
you know, we weren't even the 
last four years. 

985
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:40,200
We have been in cranking out his
buddy posted these, I haven't 

986
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,800
been but we're still I'm the 
value that I add to this whole 

987
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,800
Endeavor is that I have to watch
every play and know every player

988
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,300
backwards and forwards and that 
just sound when I think I can 

989
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:56,200
add and and so that takes a lot 
of time to go back and do that 

990
00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:59,300
and and so that you know, I got 
to the point where I was like, I

991
00:48:59,300 --> 00:49:02,300
am not trying keep. doing this 
and I am not sure I want to 

992
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:06,400
after what happened last year 
and it's and it's kind of, it's 

993
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,300
just it seemed to me like it 
it's sort of run, its course and

994
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:16,000
Then you factor in. 
So there's all that personal 

995
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,400
aspect of it work and I kind of 
wanted to mention the coast but 

996
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,400
it's like at some point the 
older you get, I can't eat some 

997
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,000
hobbies that. 
Get me away from my computer, I 

998
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,500
spend enough time on my computer
and the day like, man, it's hard

999
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:27,900
to get done with the hard work 
day. 

1000
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:29,600
You get the kids to bed. 
And like, you know what I want 

1001
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,300
to do, I want to go back on my 
computer and write 1,000 words, 

1002
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:34,500
but idea of football, like that 
just gets harder and I saw 

1003
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:37,500
himself on. 
So and then on top of that to be

1004
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:40,200
put in that you put in that. 
Again I sound like an old man 

1005
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,600
and I said this on the side too,
but it's Like college football 

1006
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,200
looks so different than what? 
I grew up watching. 

1007
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,300
What I fell in love with it as a
kid and I'm couldn't be happier.

1008
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:53,500
The players are getting paid. 
I couldn't be happier. 

1009
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:57,200
They can transfer as freely as I
want to, but neither of those 

1010
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,500
things, make it better a better 
experience for the fan. 

1011
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:04,000
Yeah, you know especially as an 
IU fan, we're not going to be 

1012
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,400
you know in a position and then 
I factor you know throwing the 

1013
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,800
UCLA and USC Edition. 
It's like great you know this is

1014
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,700
all heading to a place. 
Any number of years maybe it's 

1015
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:18,000
10 maybe it's five, maybe it's 
15 where there's a 30 team minor

1016
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,400
league of the NFL in Indiana. 
Probably doesn't have a seat 

1017
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,600
there and so it's kind of what 
are we, what are we doing? 

1018
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:28,100
And you know, I can't, you know,
we're going to turn over a third

1019
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:31,900
of our team every year when you 
factor in transfers and I'm guys

1020
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:35,300
with some keep track of it all 
and that seems exhausting and so

1021
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:39,200
then on top of all of that, you 
take what I think is a program 

1022
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,500
that's on the wrong path. 
And that, that is how all in off

1023
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:47,200
dramatically and that, well, 
from an administrative 

1024
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,500
standpoint and from a coaching 
standpoint, won't take the steps

1025
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:52,800
necessary to compete. 
Whether it's firing Hillier or, 

1026
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:55,700
you know, ponying up the money 
to make the renovations that are

1027
00:50:55,707 --> 00:50:58,800
necessary or whatever else. 
And so it's it's kind of led me 

1028
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,600
to this point of. 
Like, I just, you know what, I'm

1029
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,800
just kind of ready to go back to
being a regular fan, you know, 

1030
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,900
we'll still have some posts. 
I'll probably I'm almost am 

1031
00:51:05,908 --> 00:51:08,300
talking myself into this as I 
even talk now, like out, you 

1032
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:10,900
know, take more of almost an 
opposition party to the to the 

1033
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:13,700
current regime. 
Take shots that are less big 

1034
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:17,000
found less based on, you know, 
my intense review of the film 

1035
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,100
review and more based on just 
being a cranky old guy so you 

1036
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:23,600
know, who knows? 
But but it's yeah, the days of 

1037
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,300
of me grinding over, you know, 
film of us losing by 14 or 20 to

1038
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:32,300
Big Ten opponent, you know, on 
Sunday, getting ready to get 

1039
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:34,300
something written on Monday or 
Tuesday or getting information 

1040
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:36,400
so Billy can write it. 
I'm just not doing it. 

1041
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,100
I don't have it in me, you know.
So, I think that's kind of what 

1042
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:41,900
led me to to the decision. 
And honestly, when I read the 

1043
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:44,800
once I wrote the post and put it
up, like I thought there may be 

1044
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,200
some regret and there was not at
all couldn't have been happier. 

1045
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,000
I was like, look, this is just I
feel, you know, I feel honestly 

1046
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,700
little, it's freeing in some 
ways. 

1047
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:55,600
And, and, and, you know, Miss 
Miss the all the, you know, some

1048
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,300
of the Twitter engagement, still
do plenty but, and I'll miss 

1049
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:00,300
some of the writing process and 
some of the responses. 

1050
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:02,800
But at the same time, like 
there's a lot of that frees up 

1051
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,800
quite a bit of my fault. 
That wasn't there in the last 

1052
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:09,100
eight years. 
When and what you're doing was 

1053
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:11,600
way more intense than what, you 
know. 

1054
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,200
It really is not in the same 
boat. 

1055
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,300
Me your re watching games, 
you're writing post. 

1056
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:20,300
You're doing a lot of analysis 
and there was just unbelievably 

1057
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:23,400
good detailed information on 
your guys's site. 

1058
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,000
Where, you know, even for me on 
Crimson cassock, there are times

1059
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,800
like this a lot of time and 
spending podcasting. 

1060
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,800
It's like I like talk of this. 
Like I'd probably be called 

1061
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,200
Galen after the game anyway. 
Yeah. 

1062
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,700
Bitching about some things. 
Like we might as well just 

1063
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:36,700
record it and that's kind of 
always been our process. 

1064
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:40,200
But that's also why we've kept 
Crimson cast, you know just 

1065
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,600
behind the curtain a little bit,
we've kept it. 

1066
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,100
Kind of loose. 
And it's not super it's not 

1067
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:47,300
super well produced and like, I 
just kind of recording this, you

1068
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:49,600
know, I'll clip it. 
Put a little intro outro. 

1069
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,600
And I'm not going to spend a 
bunch of time work on the levels

1070
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,000
of stuff, just because it's 
like, I'm not doing this as a 

1071
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,400
profession. 
Like this is fun. 

1072
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,300
People seem to like it a little,
you know, people seem to enjoy 

1073
00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:01,000
it. 
I had that that helps keep me 

1074
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,300
engaged, but it's but I 
definitely, as I was going 

1075
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:07,300
through your site and then when 
you told me this a couple weeks 

1076
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:09,300
ago, it's like it makes sense 
because it's like what you were 

1077
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:12,600
doing was very time intensive. 
It wasn't just I'm going to 

1078
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,700
throw a couple of notes from the
game and then you know, caught 

1079
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:17,700
my buddy on zoom and record it 
which is kind of what we're 

1080
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:21,000
doing with our podcast. 
You're putting a lot more work 

1081
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,700
into it. 
A lot more of Alice's and a lot 

1082
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:25,600
more writing and a lot more. 
It's like, yeah I got to, you 

1083
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,200
know, do a recap of a game. 
It's like, there's two more 

1084
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,000
hours after a game, where you 
got to do stuff. 

1085
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:31,500
Yeah. 
The tricky thing is, it's like 

1086
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:35,600
because I, you know, it's very 
easy to just, you know, spout 

1087
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,000
off about about on Twitter about
what you saw in the game or 

1088
00:53:38,008 --> 00:53:42,200
whatever and I'm very sensitive 
to the fact that I I didn't play

1089
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,400
college football, I didn't play 
hardly at all after her 

1090
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,900
sophomore year of high school. 
I don't have. 

1091
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,700
I'm not in the football 
establishment. 

1092
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:52,300
And what I know is generally 
stuff that I've read and just 

1093
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:55,000
from watching it, and that's not
sufficient to be an expert. 

1094
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:58,600
And so, what I, what I do when I
write this stuff, you know I 

1095
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,000
can't I won't let myself do it 
if I haven't watched everything,

1096
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,700
right? 
And so like, that's what I bring

1097
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:07,600
to the table because if I didn't
and I just make some 

1098
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,000
off-the-cuff statement about 
what happened in this player 

1099
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,600
that play or what this person 
did or what. 

1100
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,000
Do you know I'm wide open to get
crushed and deservedly so but if

1101
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,500
I've watched everything, I've 
watched every play at least I 

1102
00:54:19,508 --> 00:54:22,500
can say, you know, and I'll 
just, I can describe what I saw,

1103
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:26,500
you know, and then that to me 
has some value because maybe not

1104
00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:29,200
everyone watched everything or 
saw everything and saw this is 

1105
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,000
how this, you know, play 
happened, six times. 

1106
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,800
You think that's at least I've 
put in that time and they, no 

1107
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,400
one can criticize me for not 
having put in the time at least.

1108
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,300
And so, I want I'm not willing 
to do is continue doing what I 

1109
00:54:40,308 --> 00:54:47,100
was doing. while also putting in
the time, Yeah, who started the 

1110
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:51,900
site in 2013, right? 
2014 is where we 2014, he was 

1111
00:54:54,100 --> 00:55:00,400
kicked it off in August 2014. 
So you had a good run, you know,

1112
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,300
during that time you watch games
and you re watch games who were 

1113
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,500
some of or your favorite player.
I you player in that time, 

1114
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:13,900
period, I mean Tevin Coleman. 
Is this my favorite? 

1115
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:19,100
Are you kind of used? 
He was 2014 was his last year 

1116
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:20,900
was here. 
He ran for 2,000 yards and like 

1117
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:23,900
despite having like no one 
around him by quarterback for 

1118
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:25,800
the second half of the year. 
So I think Tevin Coleman is 

1119
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,400
probably my favorite, Dan Feeny?
This is odd choice. 

1120
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,500
But Dan Feeny, like guard was 
like super fun to watch like and

1121
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:40,200
it may to me, it's probably true
that Dan Feeney is more 

1122
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,600
separated from the next best. 
Of I used lifeguards and then, 

1123
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:48,300
potentially anybody else even 
Coleman to the next option is, I

1124
00:55:48,308 --> 00:55:51,700
think I'm narrow or Choice than 
Phineas just head and shoulders 

1125
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:53,500
above anybody. 
We've had West Martin was a good

1126
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:56,900
Guardian Feeny was like way way 
better so I think he's up there.

1127
00:55:56,900 --> 00:56:03,800
I think honestly you know 
defensively this is probably 

1128
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,900
somewhat recency bias but 
McFadden was super super fun. 

1129
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:11,100
I loved watching McFadden. 
He's right up there. 

1130
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:17,100
Two grey scales is also closed. 
He was extremely good to, you 

1131
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:18,500
know, how else to get to 
somewhat recent. 

1132
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:19,400
See. 
But like, just because we 

1133
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,700
haven't had anybody else like 
him. 

1134
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:23,300
Jamar Johnson was for his one 
year, he was great. 

1135
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:26,800
In 2020 was unbelievable. 
And we haven't we haven't had 

1136
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,900
anybody like him sense and I 
kind of see. 

1137
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:32,300
Can't remember anybody like him 
in the previous? 

1138
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,000
You know, 15 years? 
I've been watching. 

1139
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,600
I you seriously. 
So he's up there, too. 

1140
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,100
I really like son fed. 
It's so many of the guys, I 

1141
00:56:39,107 --> 00:56:42,500
like, like, had injuries. 
I really like some photos from I

1142
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:46,200
love Shane Wynn Parts because my
wife my wife loved him cause 

1143
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,100
he's so little he's so small but
like he's so good. 

1144
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,600
Those are all those are really 
good options. 

1145
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:54,000
Well, yeah, but no it's been 
awesome. 

1146
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,000
Having you on, it's been 
awesome. 

1147
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,800
Having you in the the IU, IU 
blogs, fear twittersphere, you 

1148
00:56:59,808 --> 00:57:02,800
know, fans fear. 
We need, we need more Mei. 

1149
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,800
The last thing I would ask you 
is, you know, for anybody, you 

1150
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,600
know young students today who 
are, you know, in the media 

1151
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,100
school or and wiu acts and 
looking to do some like, what 

1152
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:14,900
advice as somebody who's Started
kind of one of the better sites 

1153
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:17,000
out there for IU football. 
What would you say to somebody 

1154
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,000
who's, you know, interested in 
this stuff? 

1155
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:22,800
You know? 
Again, this isn't a good way to 

1156
00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:29,000
really make money at it. 
But my, my advice would be focus

1157
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,200
more on being really good at 
whatever Medium you're into then

1158
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,700
at trying to attract attention 
and build an audience because if

1159
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:41,200
you really good, the audience 
will come in, whatever you're 

1160
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,800
trying to do. 
And I so I'm Advice would be 

1161
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,300
like, just just focus on honing,
your craft, whatever that may be

1162
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:50,900
and put in the time to do that. 
And and then let people 

1163
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:53,100
recognize the quality in the 
natural way. 

1164
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:55,400
Now, you can be smart about 
promoting yourself probably more

1165
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,800
that we did frankly. 
And but, but I think, if you 

1166
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,200
focus on being good, the rest 
kind of takes care of itself. 

1167
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,500
That would be the biggest piece 
out given that in part of that, 

1168
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:07,400
just involves you have to put in
the time, one way or another. 

1169
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,200
Yeah, I would, I would agree 
with all that. 

1170
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,600
I think that, you know, 
sometimes people are looking at 

1171
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:15,700
like, well, how can I do this to
make money? 

1172
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:18,400
It's like, well, I don't know, 
like I can't answer that because

1173
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:21,100
because we're not making money, 
but it's also like, I'm not 

1174
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:23,600
doing it. 
I think that's always been kind 

1175
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,500
of the ethos of us is that we're
not trying to make money. 

1176
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:28,400
We're just two guys talking 
football, I think know yourself 

1177
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,900
and know what you're good at. 
You know. 

1178
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:32,800
I'm trying to play around and 
learn Tick Tock a little bit but

1179
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,200
it's like, dude, I also got like
I'm 44, like, tick-tocks, not my

1180
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,500
medium, like we're podcasters 
and Like, that's, that's the way

1181
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:42,500
it's going to be. 
And I would also say to that you

1182
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:45,300
said like, you know, put in the 
Reps, but I've noticed that like

1183
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:48,000
we've had people who've wanted 
to help on Crimson cast and 

1184
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:50,900
they'll do a little bit and then
it's like, they just like it is,

1185
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:53,500
it's like a another job. 
It's like, you gotta, if you're 

1186
00:58:53,508 --> 00:58:55,100
gonna do it, you got to be 
regular. 

1187
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:57,000
And you got, if you're going to 
have a Blog, if you have a 

1188
00:58:57,008 --> 00:58:59,100
podcast, you're going to tick, 
tock Channel, whatever it is 

1189
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:02,400
like if you want to do it on a 
you know being a commentator on 

1190
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,000
Sports, you have to have a 
schedule and stick to it and be 

1191
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,200
ready to do it every single week
and like it. 

1192
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:09,800
It's like oh yeah, it's great. 
I love talking football. 

1193
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,100
It's like, no, it ends up being 
a grind like even what we're 

1194
00:59:13,100 --> 00:59:15,600
doing is like there have been a 
lot like, a lot of weeks last 

1195
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,100
year were like, after that 
Maryland game. 

1196
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:20,300
It's like, I don't, I don't want
other Rutgers games. 

1197
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:23,200
I just don't want to do this. 
I'd rather walk this off. 

1198
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,400
Yeah, yeah. 
I don't know. 

1199
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:25,600
Watch this again. 
Yes, I would say. 

1200
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,500
Yeah, I don't think I do that to
you is you know, whatever you're

1201
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:30,700
into like consume consume 
consume taken, all the content, 

1202
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:34,900
you can from again, quality 
sources and then start to figure

1203
00:59:34,900 --> 00:59:38,200
out how that how you fit into 
that landscape. 

1204
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:42,400
And you should absolutely look 
for a way to be to differentiate

1205
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,200
yourself in a way that like you 
said is true to, who you what, 

1206
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,800
you have bring to the table. 
So you cannot you're not, you 

1207
00:59:48,808 --> 00:59:50,800
know, I don't know exactly how 
to make money. 

1208
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,300
I know you won't make money 
doing the same thing as a number

1209
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:56,000
of other people, you know, are 
already providing because 

1210
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:58,800
chances are, they've got some 
number of advantage over, oh, 

1211
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,000
vintages over you. 
So, you need to think of some 

1212
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,600
other way to present it, whether
it's a medium or whether it's 

1213
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,300
just a slant, whatever that 
differentiates you from the 

1214
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:09,900
pack. 
Because there's And also, just 

1215
01:00:09,900 --> 01:00:11,800
maybe find the different 
program, like you want to make 

1216
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,000
some money? 
Go, go, do some fries date, just

1217
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,200
just go to a different school. 
I mean, I use great. 

1218
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,500
But yeah, if you're trying to 
make some money in media, like, 

1219
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:22,400
you know, I can't make a 
different choice. 

1220
01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:24,200
Just start aside about Notre 
Dame football. 

1221
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,400
It's funny. 
You know, we I try and do 

1222
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,200
previews and then I again I 
always a kind of end up losing 

1223
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,900
interest in Steam as the season 
goes along, but like, when we've

1224
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:35,900
had Ohio State on, like the, you
know, eleven Warrior guys, it is

1225
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:38,300
wild like looking and I don't 
really look at our numbers. 

1226
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,500
Is that often. 
But yeah, I'll poke in once a 

1227
01:00:40,508 --> 01:00:43,200
month just to kind of wire 
listener numbers, it's pretty 

1228
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,800
solid, where we stay at. 
Like, if we have Ohio State on 

1229
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,500
it just like spikes it is 
unreal. 

1230
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:53,500
Like they have, you know, 30 40 
thousand, listeners, every time 

1231
01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:56,700
and they'll come in and listen 
to our podcast tickets Wilds, 

1232
01:00:56,700 --> 01:00:59,600
all from Ohio, it's Bonkers. 
You're going to get a huge punch

1233
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,500
on pun boost to your numbers, 
like my dad might listen. 

1234
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:07,900
No, it's true. 
The power of the numbers of 

1235
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:09,900
Other programs, it's 
unbelievable. 

1236
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:11,900
When we just don't have it and 
you can we have it some of the 

1237
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:14,600
basketball side and you can see 
it there but in football like 

1238
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,700
it's just, it's dramatic how 
different it is. 

1239
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:19,700
And you start to realize why 
we're in the situation we're in 

1240
01:01:19,700 --> 01:01:22,600
remote from a program standpoint
that it's just a little. 

1241
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:27,200
Yeah, well I look forward to a 
couple of drop in post-review. 

1242
01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:30,200
I, you know, look at it like, 
you know, during the season 

1243
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,600
something happens. 
I kind of want to see you like, 

1244
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,600
you know, Wrestling coming from 
the top rope and just, you know,

1245
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,700
throw an elbow, maybe that's the
new angles just to just to be 

1246
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:40,300
the in party. 
I love, I love the opposition 

1247
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:42,900
party idea, and I like that a 
lot bunch of dear, Aunt. 

1248
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:45,300
I dare inhaler content. 
That's what we're starting. 

1249
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:46,800
New specialty is going to be 
again. 

1250
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,400
Nothing is the guy just about 
Tim professional, of course, to 

1251
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,500
be fair. 
That's kind of what you were 

1252
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:52,700
doing. 
The end of last year. 

1253
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,100
Already there already. 
We're already in that space, 

1254
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:58,600
huh? 
Okay, yeah, justjust go deeper, 

1255
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:01,300
but no, it's been awesome. 
And I'd love to have you back 

1256
01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,600
middle end of the year as we're 
kind of wrapping up the season. 

1257
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,300
Kind of get just a again high 
level of, you know, you're not 

1258
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,300
looking at it but everything 
here. 

1259
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,200
And cast. 
We are, we are high level and 

1260
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,700
not. 
No need to be super deep in the 

1261
01:02:11,707 --> 01:02:13,500
details. 
Well, separate, it's got. 

1262
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:15,600
I appreciate you. 
Having me on and let me rant 

1263
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,100
along with you Dan. 
It's been, it's been awesome. 

1264
01:02:18,100 --> 01:02:20,200
Thank you for all the years upon
John punt. 

1265
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,800
Thanks for your time today and 
look forward to a good season. 

1266
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,700
For every out there will 
continue getting ready for IU 

1267
01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:27,700
football season. 
And until next time, this is 

1268
01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:30,000
Scott for Crimson cast signing 
off.