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Welcome back to Crimson Cask ale

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and clavius got Caulfield 
joining me. 

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Once again. 
It is Sunday. 

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The 22nd of May we haven't Stood
in a while. 

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We're back. 
We're excited. 

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We barely talk to each other. 
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It's been a nice break, you 
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we've had some, some therapeutic
sessions, the lawyers have 

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gotten involved and then not but
you know, we're back. 

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We're in good shape now and 
Scott. 

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It's very good to see you again.
How are you doing? 

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I'll just stand by. 
It's not you. 

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It's me and it's not you it's 
me. 

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No, I'm doing it. 
I'm doing fantastic. 

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But yeah, I texted you a couple 
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You've been busy. 
Than yesterday, you text me back

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and I'm like staring at three 
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and like, well, sorry, Gail 
migraines. 

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Come on. 
I got to get this mulch taken 

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care of. 
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It's been good. 
And we have, we have good news 

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to talk about. 
We're a week away from the 

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Indianapolis 500 race tracks and
Davis was coming back. 

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We're in a good spot. 
A lot of good things to talk 

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We're going to talk. 

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I you Athletics, both men's 
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We got some questions from you 
folks out in Twitter land, and 

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we're going to try to answer 
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And just kind of talk about our 
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If you're new to the show, we 
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a lot going on with IU 
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there's something really unusual
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months, which is hopefully 
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And it just feels like, there's 
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teams go into the fall, or I 
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that'll lead into the fall. 
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some of those items, answer some
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hey don't sleep on Arkansas 
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Dude, you and I started this 
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Theory. 
We're gonna talk about IU Sports

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and hopefully one day Scotty 
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Listen to our podcast. 
So, you know, maybe Scott, he's 

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listening coronavirus Williamson
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Arkansas teams there listening. 
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Arkansas is now at home field, 
go get it. 

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Yeah, I mean anytime we can 
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something, we need to even if 
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But it's a 30 years after the 
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Wow. 
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Yeah. 
Anyway, let's um, let's dive in.

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Let's talk about things. 
We had some questions. 

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We're going to get to those in a
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basketball and you know, Scott 
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I think the trace Jackson day 
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He makes the official 
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week and it essentially 
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upcoming season. 
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overall thoughts on the fact 
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offseason and they end up coming
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Davis, but they also bring back 
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They also bring back Jordan 
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guys that honestly, I think at 
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around and were like it's 
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The two, Maybe all three of 
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they're all coming back for this
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impressions of that first and 
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that Trace announced was like 
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were starting to talk about, you
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buddy, Teddy, one of my best 
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So, I checked was like, what's 
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I just didn't have time to get 
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take like what's going on in 
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Zach? 
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Like? 
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I love where we're at now 
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going to show my age. 
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reporters. 
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Mike Lupica and Bob Ryan and 
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been a great offseason. 
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I'm back then to not my two 
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I do, I feel a little bit in a 
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and I feel for him, because a 
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for, I feel like for maybe him 
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wear the, you know, the first 
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bike over. 
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that year. 
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freshman year and You know be 
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years was a full covid year, you
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then from all accounts. 
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covid during some of the MBA 
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Maybe as a second round pick and
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Scott Agnes talking about this, 
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this for him as a kid going to 
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experience and he wants and as a
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know, I was already getting 
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Jackson Davis announcement 
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They're not bringing in. 
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coming in and, you know, to five
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Somebody's got a pan out of 
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actually am more concerned now. 
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three point shooting. 
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a little more concerned because 
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the NBA. 
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shooting again, as kind of a off
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the top four. 
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ranked top 15, top 20 in the 
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Big Ten title. 
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I'll be circling back to that. 
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Gail and I will ask you the same
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What are your thoughts? 
Well, that's an interesting 

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perspective. 
I mean, I look ultimately not 

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every piece can do what you 
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overall. 
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adding Trace Jackson, Davis back
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result in tremendously better, 
three-point shooting, because of

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that piece, however, two things 
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of scoring that Trace Jackson, 
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amount of minutes that he's able
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effective field goal percentage,
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in the country. 
I mean, you at the end of the 

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day, the key is not outside 
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efficient shooting. 
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counts for more points than 
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And in this case to be able to 
bring a player back who you know

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scored almost 1 Point 2 points 
per possession last year, shot 

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59% from the field from to I 
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something that you want back as 
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And so I think you know, it was 
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decision. 
A lot of people were concerned 

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that Jordan Geronimo was going 
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And it was like, well, you know,
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leave because Jordan Geronimo is
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missing the point. 
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efficient volume scorer, who can
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You want to get rid of that so 
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who shows potential, but hasn't 
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Whether you're talking about the
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developmental League overseas. 
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talent Indiana's got back. 
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other things. 
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possessions rather than having 
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a bit of as a gear. 
I completely happy. 

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He's like, I would rather have 
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freshman, like he was a, he was 
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signs of being a Freshman, but 
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we needed 12 15 minutes out of 
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produce. 
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know, when you look at I hate 
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five next year, but you have to 
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now, but me, he started most of 
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Woodson puts a premium on 
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for like Geronimo Galloway, 
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banks and gun, you know. 
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we're not asking them to come in
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know, which tree know like I 
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offense and you know, shoot, I 
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give us 22 points a game and, 
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and not a big ask, you know, now
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need you to, you know, run the 
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play against s either Big Ten 
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you know, Galloway will put you 
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practice. 
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also Shore up the second unit, 
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about why are we you put some of
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second unit came in this year. 
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This should help some of that as
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since we're already talking 
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those right now, we had a 
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Lisa. 
Can we realistically win the Big

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three-point shooting and free 
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can help in those areas? 
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think that No question last 
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things than previous year's 
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looking at. 
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know, Indiana managed to 
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And I think it's kind of got 
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the frustrations that people had
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offensive shortcomings, but 
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percent last year. 
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jump, and 70% is right around 
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normally get in college 
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If they can maintain that or go 
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that's an area. 
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worry about as much three-point 
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only increased by a percentage 
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It went from thirty two point 
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three, but still that is an 
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percentage shooting increased 
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half percent increase and 
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points from 48 and a half to 
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getting better. 
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a lot of that was traced Jackson
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I mean if you go back and look 
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sophomore year stats, you can 
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productivity and what he was 
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year and it's like, wow, that 
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sophomore, trough as opposed to 
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future. 
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going back to Lisa's question, 
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it's not. 
The only thing, I mean of the 68

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teams that made the tournament 
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tournament with an effective 
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other teams are but it would say
it makes things a lot easier 

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particularly. 
If you're playing the type of 

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defense that we saw this, I you 
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As far as who might help on that
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Safiye know as a guy who can 
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shooting. 
I don't think that's his game 

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right now. 
Like, you know, stats are hard 

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to find at the high school level
even harder, sometimes with 

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prep, but he was not a 
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shooter at least not in any of 
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tell you who were good. 3-point 
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banks, at least, you know, I 
haven't seen a lot of numbers on

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banks, but you look at his 
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It looks very, very nice. 
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have a lot of fear and pulling 
up and taking that, what are 

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those guys able to do? 
Another areas is going to be the

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big question, but the key and 
all of this is that you've got 

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players coming back this year, 
who have shown the ability to 

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shoot the ball, at least 
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And if you get some incremental 
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going to be in better shape race
Thompson, you know, he shot 20 

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percent from three in 2021. 
He shot. 27 percent from three 

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last year. 
Can you get another six or seven

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percent increase out of him? 
Casey Miller cop tailed off. 

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At the end of the year. 
He still shot. 36 percent from 3

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on the season tomorrow Bates 
shot about 30%. 

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Could you get four or five 
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Xavier Johnson, coming back with
as a 38%. 

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Three-point shooter. 
That's something I look at it. 

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I'm like, okay, you know, 
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another distributor playing at 
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have to be the distributor all 
the time. 

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Maybe that increases, his 
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It's off there and increase that
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So I do think that the influx of
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The fact you've got Trace 
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to naturally? 
Pull some guys off of the 

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perimeter. 
I you as a better chance this 

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year. 
I think of taking advantage of 

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that it will require players on 
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what they did last year, but I 
don't think it's an 

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insurmountable jump, you know, 
when you see some of the 

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improvements that guys made from
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year. 
I think that could happen again 

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with another cycle of coaching 
and just In used to the system 

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that they're playing it. 
So I'm going to dig into this 

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question a little bit from Lisa.
It's a great question. 

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I'm a little more on her side 
and this is again, you know, to 

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me I look at this three-point 
shooting thing and it's all 

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about expectations. 
And this is again to go back and

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maybe clarify what I originally 
said, I'm happy. 

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Trish Jackson. 
Davis is back. 

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I want him back. 
I think that makes us a better 

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team. 
My concern is it raises our 

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expectation and you know, how 
you view a season is a mix of 

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expectation. 
And so you look at this is not 

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the best analogy, but like the 
Milwaukee Bucks and The 

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Grizzlies, and the NBA both 
finish their season in the same 

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level of the playoffs, but the 
Bucks. 

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Probably look at it more like a 
disappointing season because 

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they came into it, thinking they
can win a title. 

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The Grizzlies were like, just, I
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It's like, hey, we just took a 
Warrior's 26 and second round, 

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you know, all the shooting 
things. 

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I, you know, you mentioned last 
year. 

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The shooting was an issue, but 
it wasn't. 

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We look back. 
We're not going to think of that

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season is like a Lost season. 
It was like how we kind of we 

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Clear the Hotbar. 
What we need to do because we 

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weren't expected to win the Big 
Ten last year. 

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This brings expectations for 
next year. 

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And I don't want to start being 
pumped, the brakes guy, but I 

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mean, I do think we're, you 
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the Big Ten will be ranked in 
the top 20 nationally. 

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When you're at those levels, you
know, you can't have the same 

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kind of shooting we had last 
year. 

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Look at this a little 
differently. 

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If you look in our in our world,
the Big Ten, you know a team 

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that won the Big Ten last year 
in Illinois, plumber shot, 40% 

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But I'm 240 attempts, Gratis ins
shot, 41 percent, 134th attempts

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Purdue had Savannah vich 38% on 
2228 attempts. 

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I will say Wisconsin is an 
aberration here and just because

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it's always fun to read Davidson
will do it here. 

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Brad, Davis and shot 34 percent 
on 225 attempts. 

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So a volume shooter and a bad 
one at that you are, right. 

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We're bringing back to Johnson 
and mellor cop at 38, 36 

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percent, but they didn't shoot a
lot last year. 

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Yo Johnson was shot 94 times 
from three, cop 108. 

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This could be a chicken or egg 
thing where it's like if you're 

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not shooting great. 
Do you want guys volume shooting

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at bad numbers? 
I'm not going to dig into it, 

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but you go look at like in Zagat
Kansas the teams of the top 

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Echelon of NCAA basketball last 
year. 

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They all have guys who are 
shooting over 200 times from 

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three and shooting at about 40%.
So, you know, the question is, 

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can we get somebody who can do 
that? 

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And I think that's just an 
open-ended question. 

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We don't need to dig into it. 
Now. 

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We'll see as the season goes on.
You know, it's funny. 

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Hold on. 
Hold on. 

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Hold on. 
Anna I gotta I gotta counter you

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on this. 
Okay. 

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So let me let me give you an 
example of. 

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So let's take an example from 10
years ago and IU basketball 

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history. 
OK? 

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The 2011 IU men's basketball 
team as a team shot 34.6% from 

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three shots, seventy two point, 
six percent from the free-throw 

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line. 
The next year 2012. 

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They increase their three-point 
shooting from thirty four point 

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six to forty. 
Three point one, and I'm just 

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going to stick on the 
three-point numbers. 

457
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They didn't do it by having one 
guy, come in and be the volume 

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shooter. 
Yes. 

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Jordan holes took a lot of 
Threes hit a lot of Threes. 

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He was 49 percent that year. 
But most of the Improvement on 

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that team was just everybody 
getting better in one form or 

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another Jordan, Halls goes from 
essentially, a 41% three-point 

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shooter, his sophomore year to a
49 percent shooter his junior 

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year. 
Christian Watford goes from 

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being a 38%, three-point 
shooter, his sophomore year to a

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44 percent. 
A shooter his junior year and 

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they shot. 
Not not too far apart from each 

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other. 
In terms of numbers holes, put 

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up, 146, 3s, Watford put up 119 
threes even someone like will 

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she who only shot about 53's 
that year went from 30% his 

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first year to 38% his second 
year. 

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And I guess that's my point is 
that that was a situation where 

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you had a team that had talent 
that added more talent in this 

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case, Cody Zeller coming into 
the roster, but had a year to 

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meld. 
Gather and figure out how they 

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were going to do things and 
everybody got more comfortable 

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in their positions and you had 
significant leaps by the players

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that were on the roster. 
It really does. 

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Come back to this idea from my 
perspective in are these guys 

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just old bad shooters or have 
they been in situations where 

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they haven't been either able to
execute because of the way the 

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offense flows or there's just a 
lack of confidence. 

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I think it's a little bit of mix
of both, but I think that going 

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into this year. 
The the array of talent. 

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You've got particularly guys 
that can shoot from inside. 

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If you combine that, with a 
better understanding of how the 

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offense is going to move. 
I think that leads to a 

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situation where it opens up and 
allows some players to increase.

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Two, three, four, five percent, 
maybe slightly more and that's 

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where the, the increase is come 
from. 

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Maybe not necessarily the 
freshmen coming in. 

492
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No, I think that's funny. 
I look to the 2013. 

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I've some 2013 number. 
So you kind of you. 

494
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You made my point. 
You didn't make my point but you

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use the numbers against me in a 
very good way that I like. 

496
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No, I think that's a very valid 
Counterpoint and I hope that's 

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the case and I will say like 
listening to Tony and Rania on 

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the assembly called the other 
day. 

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He was mentioning how you know, 
when Miller cop was shooting, 

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better at northwestern's because
the sets they were running was 

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he was more kind of a catch and 
shoot guy. 

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Whereas last year we had to 
create his own shot. 

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And so the idea here is 
hopefully with a better overall 

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offensive, you know system. 
He's in a position. 

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We can be a little bit of a 
better shooter. 

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I was looking at the 2013 13 
numbers because I kind of joke 

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in my notes. 
Like, all roads, always seem to 

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go back to Oladipo. 
It's like you, you look at him 

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and his progression of adding a 
three-point shot, his junior 

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year. 
I even think of my mind's like, 

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oh, that was the greatest 
progression. 

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So he went from 20%, three-point
shooter with 48 attempts. 

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His sophomore year to a 44% 
three-point shooter, but only 68

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attempts. 
So it's like he didn't really 

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attempt that he did become a 
volume shooter. 

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Well, yeah, I started looking at
the numbers of that, that 2013 

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team and Right, like it's just 
it's nuts. 

518
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How many good three-point 
Shooters? 

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They had, you know, Watford 48 
percent from 124 attempts 

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U-Hauls 44% in 180 attempts. 
But to your point, I was shocked

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like, Remy Abell who to nobody 
goes back and thinks like, oh, 

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great, three-point Shooters of. 
I use paths, like, got a devil's

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got to be in the top five are 
able to be the top five, forty 

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eight percent on only 33 
attempts, but you're right 

525
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there. 
If you know, if you can get a 

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hood rafinha to come in and just
you know, shoot 63s, but Shoot 

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it in a 38% clip and you get cop
to you know, 39 40 percent, but 

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get him over 100. 
I think that's I think you are 

529
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right, but I do think you need 
to have somebody getting over, 

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you know, 100 to 100 to 150 
attempts and getting up there. 

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But I think you're right. 
If we can get a bunch of guys 

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shooting 34 38 percent in that, 
you know, 3250 a temporary. 

533
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I think that's going to help, I 
guess. 

534
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Yeah, I guess to close the book 
on this particular argument, you

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know, I think the problem is if 
you have a Sasha stefanovic or 

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if you have someone who can 
shoot, Well, at that volume. 

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Absolutely have them do it. 
I don't think any of that 

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Indiana has anybody like that 
right now. 

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So what you have to do is make 
sure that you have players that 

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can shoot well enough and put 
them in open positions, and get 

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them ready to catch and shoot, 
get them ready to get the ball 

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on Kick outs, or, you know, have
them stationed in the corner and

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being ready to go. 
I mean, I think part of the 

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reason why Parker Stewart and 
Miller, cop struggled down the 

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stretch last year, was that they
were really slow with their 

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release. 
A lot of people. 

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Blamed the offense for not 
getting them. 

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The ball in time. 
I've had this argument and I 

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know people disagree at times, 
but I looked back at film. 

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And what I see is a lot of 
situations where the guy's just 

551
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either weren't ready to shoot 
when they caught the ball or 

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when they started to shoot their
most in took so long, you know, 

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that pop rate that you see the 
Kyle Korver sort of thing where 

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you're able to get the ball off 
so quickly. 

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That wasn't there a whole 
offseason of working on that 

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sort of thing and getting into 
the right positions makes a big 

557
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difference in terms of what the 
team is able to deal. 

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You and so I don't think you're 
going to see anybody shoot, you 

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know, a ridiculous amount of 3s 
on this team because I don't 

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think anybody's quite good 
enough to just live from 

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outside. 
Nobody on. 

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I use team outside of cop and 
Stewart shot over. 100 threes 

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last year's. 
David Johnson was was close, but

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I think that's the mix that 
you're going to need. 

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I mean, you go back to previous 
like what can't, you can't use 

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21 because of just covid and 
that shortened season, but if 

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You go back to the year before 
that Devonte, green tried to be 

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that guy put up a hundred and 
sixty five threes. 

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And the only shot 36% and he was
like the most reliable person 

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from outside. 
That's a scenario that leads to 

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disaster. 
But I think this team is going 

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to be strong enough and be 
efficient enough scoring inside.

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The three-point shooting. 
Will hopefully take care of 

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itself. 
We'll see. 

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And I think those of you who are
skeptical or like you're being 

576
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too optimistic, you know, what, 
you're you may be right at this 

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point and Maybe a situation 
where I'm putting too much faith

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in a full offseason of 
development and and trying to 

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get guys to understand what they
need to do in that mode. 

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But at this point, I think you 
give Woodson and his staff the 

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benefit of the doubt because 
even in a year where most people

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were frustrated as hell at the 
offense, there were 

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demonstrably. 
Better numbers across the board 

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and shooting and that you have 
to, at least say, I think at 

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this point gives them the 
benefit of the doubt to further 

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fix it as we go into this. 
Upcoming year, let's take. 

587
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Yeah, good thing with probably 
would hopefully lead us to a 

588
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different question. 
But I think it's a concern, but 

589
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I want to be positive now like 
on a very positive end. 

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I don't think that we need to do
that much more of an increase on

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our offense for this simple 
reason. 

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Last year, the thing that 
impressed me most about Trace 

593
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Jackson Davis, which I think is 
going to be as good or better 

594
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,300
this year his post defense and 
his ability to recover on 

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defense was Unreal and and Race 
together was amazing in the 

596
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post. 
This post defense, ability to 

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block shots, his ability to 
recover and get back on the 

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post. 
In defense was maybe some of the

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best I've ever seen it. 
I you that normally defense, 

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just continues to kind of grow 
on itself. 

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As you learn more of those 
things in his ability to do 

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that. 
My point is we could with him 

603
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coming back, we could be looking
at a top ten nationally ranked, 

604
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you know, adjusted defense. 
And when you look at the teams 

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that were up there this year, 
you have your Houston Auburn 

606
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Gonzaga. 
You know, you're in very elite 

607
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Cara Tori and so you can be in a
position where we're probably 

608
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going to have the best defense 
in the Big Ten, a top-10, 

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defense nationally. 
And so you do only need 

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incremental gains in your 
offense. 

611
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Like that is the other thing 
with those Creed era teams, the 

612
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:52,200
2013 2012 teams like they were 
shooting at a ridiculous clip 

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has also because their defense 
was not a top 10 top 20 defense,

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you know, they had to have that 
kind of offensive efficiency. 

615
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So I think this is where You 
don't need, I'm going against 

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myself, but you don't need a ton
of offensive gains because the 

617
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defense I would be shocked if 
we're not a top 10 or top 15 

618
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defense nationally next year. 
And so you a couple, you know, a

619
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little bit around the edges on 
offense can make a huge 

620
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difference because your defense 
can pick up most of that Gap. 

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I think on the macro level, you 
do need some gains on offense 

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because I you at the 95th ranked
offense and defensive efficiency

623
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last year, which is just not 
quite good enough. 

624
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Now, you know, you You can make 
the tournament with that. 

625
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I mean, there were teams that 
were better than them on defense

626
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that were worse than them on 
offense. 

627
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Creighton. 
Probably the best example that 

628
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team really struggled on 
offense, but they were really 

629
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good defensive team. 
But most of the teams that were 

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able to make noise throughout 
the course of the season and 

631
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then also make noise in the 
tournament. 

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We're you know, they had an 
offense that was at least in the

633
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top 50 and that's really what I 
think Indiana has to do now. 

634
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Where does that come from? 
You are buddy, Tony, add Rania. 

635
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:01,800
Also a member of the back. 
Home. 

636
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,300
Network tweeted about this 
yesterday where he looked at the

637
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final four teams since 2013. 
They averaged 36.8% from 3iu was

638
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,400
thirty-three point three. 
So if you're looking at that, 

639
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you know, they essentially three
and a half percent increase. 

640
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:23,200
I you would need to make 
essentially half a three more 

641
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per game over the course of the 
season. 

642
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:28,200
That's not a whole lot more if 
you really, if you put it in 

643
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those terms, you're talking 
about essentially you No, 16 to 

644
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18 more made threes over the 
course of an entire season. 

645
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Raises your percentage up to a 
point where it's commensurate 

646
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with what's going on elsewhere 
in college basketball at that 

647
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:44,400
level to me. 
You know, when I think of this 

648
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,200
Indiana team on a macro level, 
the biggest changes are the 

649
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,100
biggest things they need to get 
better at offensively in order 

650
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to improve their overall 
efficiency are free throws, 

651
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which Lisa mentioned while you 
know, there were 70 percent last

652
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year, which was better, but that
was still bottom third in 

653
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,000
college basketball. 
All you know, if you increase 

654
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that by another three percentage
points this year. 

655
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Well now you're giving away a 
lot fewer points on offense of 

656
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possessions that all adds to 
that offensive efficiency 

657
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number. 
I'd like to see them be a little

658
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,600
bit more focused on improving 
their offensive rebounding 

659
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,600
numbers just slightly, that 
isn't really what they were 

660
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,300
focused on last year to some 
degree and I'm curious if that's

661
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a feature of the Woodson offense
that he's trying to run or if it

662
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was just a something That was an
afterthought, you know, but 

663
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,300
ultimately you increase your 
three-point percentage that's 

664
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:42,400
going to naturally increase your
overall offensive offensive 

665
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efficiency. 
And that's ultimately I think 

666
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what's going to make the 
difference on the micro level. 

667
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A lot of us just guys need to be
in position to take advantage of

668
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opportunities and then take 
advantage of the opportunities 

669
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because I think there were 
several opportunities that get 

670
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:57,900
left on the table last year, an 
individual games. 

671
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That's that can't be how it is. 
If Indiana. 

672
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Really Harbors aspirations of 
being a team that can get to the

673
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,900
second weekend or Beyond. 
So feeding into that, another 

674
00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:15,000
question that we fielded from 
Patrick best guess on rotation 

675
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,400
depth for basketball. 
So, this is interesting. 

676
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,200
I was looking at this. 
First of all, I guess, you know,

677
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,000
there was another question, may 
be able to handle this one and 

678
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,400
then go back to the other one. 
But the Hoosier author asks, who

679
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,300
would your starting men's 
basketball lineup? 

680
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:33,600
Be not who you think will Art, 
but who you personally would 

681
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,700
start. 
So I thought about this. 

682
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:39,400
I mean, I think right now my 
starting lineup going into this 

683
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,500
year and is obviously there's 
things going on. 

684
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:44,700
We don't know about just Josh 
Smith, still availability is not

685
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,700
eligibility, is still part of 
the IU family, but he does not 

686
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:52,100
have eligibility, but I think 
right now the starting lineup, 

687
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:54,600
I'd be the most interested in 
would be Xavier Johnson at the 

688
00:33:54,608 --> 00:33:57,600
point. 
Jalen Hood Fino at the to guard,

689
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,900
Jordan Geronimo at the three 
race Thompson at the And Trace 

690
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:07,000
Jackson Davis at the 5, that's 
an Uber athletic lineup that 

691
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:09,400
you've got. 
At least a couple of guys. 

692
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,000
Three guys, really who are not 
afraid to shoot from outside on 

693
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,199
that because Xavier Johnson, as 
we've seen percentage-wise has 

694
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,600
demonstrated an ability to shoot
from outside, you know, Georgia 

695
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,400
Geronimo, even though he only 
made nine threes last year, it 

696
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,100
felt like he was able to hit 
those key shots. 

697
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,900
When they were needed down the 
stretch and then race Thompson. 

698
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:29,100
As we've seen, has been willing 
to shoot as well. 

699
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:31,400
But you've got three guys there 
who can play inside. 

700
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:33,699
Side and be very difficult to 
play against. 

701
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:36,800
You've also got Jalen Hurd Shafi
know who's, you know, very 

702
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,500
athletic fits that particular 
role and can get inside and 

703
00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:43,500
really work inside the 
three-point line. 

704
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,500
Yes. 
You don't have a lot from a 

705
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,699
three-point shooting percentage,
but I don't know that. 

706
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:51,100
That's necessarily something 
that you're going to get out of 

707
00:34:51,107 --> 00:34:54,699
your starting lineup this year. 
Unless somebody else steps up 

708
00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:57,900
and as just a person you can't 
keep off the floor because of 

709
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,200
their three-point shooting. 
That's also a lineup. 

710
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,800
That's very, Experienced heavy, 
you know, you've Jordan Geronimo

711
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,100
in his third year, race Thompson
and is what is his second decade

712
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:10,400
as an IU. 
Basketball player. 

713
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,800
Trace Jackson Davis back for his
fourth year, Xavier Johnson as a

714
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,000
super senior. 
Essentially, there's a lot of 

715
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,900
experience but then you've also 
got the the athleticism in the 

716
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:23,000
Vigor that comes in with Jalen 
Hood pheno. 

717
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,400
So I would have that as the 
starting lineup and then I 

718
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,400
actually think that there could 
be an 11-man rotation to start 

719
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,800
the season. 
Because I look at the, there's 

720
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,200
like, two separate rotations. 
There's a guard rotation and 

721
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,900
there's a front Court, rotation 
tray, Galloway Tamar Bates, and 

722
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,100
CJ gun. 
I think all have a real 

723
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,900
opportunity to rotate in early 
on, in the season and play 

724
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:48,100
regularly and then we can kind 
of see how things suss out. 

725
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,500
CJ guns, fascinating. 
He said, I think an Indiana High

726
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,600
School record for most 
three-pointers made in a game 

727
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,200
during his senior year. 
Tamar Bates showed a lot of 

728
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,200
Promise look like he was 
starting to come into his own a 

729
00:35:59,207 --> 00:36:00,100
little bit at the end of the 
year. 

730
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:01,400
And then, of course, tray 
Galloway. 

731
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:04,900
You go just adds so much from a 
defensive perspective. 

732
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:07,900
I could also see him starting in
place of Jalen, who chafee know,

733
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:10,700
I just feel like at least one of
these freshmen is likely to 

734
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:12,000
start. 
And he seems like the most 

735
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,700
likely one given the spread of 
players that are out there. 

736
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:18,100
Frontcourt rotation. 
I think, is some combination of 

737
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:22,400
banks, cop and Renault. 
And I think, perhaps Miller cop 

738
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,800
is better suited for this role 
where you can come in and give 

739
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,700
15 to 20 minutes off the bench, 
rather than a having to be a 

740
00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:30,500
member of the starting lineup 
overall. 

741
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:33,700
That's The big question mark to 
me is whether he gets put into 

742
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:37,800
the starting lineup, but I got a
sneaking Sensation that Jordan 

743
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,500
Geronimo coming back. 
Probably means he's getting more

744
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:42,700
playing time than he got this 
last year. 

745
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:46,200
All things considered Scott. 
What are your thoughts, by the 

746
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,700
way? 
Love the question because I love

747
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:51,900
the, the flip of, what would my 
my ideal starting five be not 

748
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,500
what I think is going to be. 
So great chance to the question.

749
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:57,900
It's also it's a funnier because
we're basically now figuring out

750
00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:01,100
two spots because like everyone 
has to start with Tres Jackson 

751
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:02,800
Davis. 
Right Thompson and zebra 

752
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,900
Johnson, like that's just that's
pretty much a given unless you 

753
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:08,500
want to really spend the next 
half hour trying to convince me.

754
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:10,200
Why? 
Something other those three is 

755
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,600
the starting lineup. 
So those three are locked in 

756
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,400
there, but I'm going to agree 
with you on Jordan Geronimo for 

757
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,500
a lot of reasons. 
You said, here's what I'm going 

758
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:19,700
to say. 
I'm gonna go off the radar for 

759
00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:21,800
Scott and I'm going to assume 
that a freshman's going to come 

760
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,900
in and do what he says he can do
and does what he does. 

761
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:26,000
In high school. 
I'm going to put CJ, gonna my 

762
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,900
starting lineup because now what
you have is you have a guy who 

763
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:31,300
can just go spot up, be a spot 
up three points. 

764
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,700
Shooter and look very, this will
be very much like an MVA type 

765
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:36,300
offense. 
You have Xavier Johnson, Trace 

766
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,600
Jackson, Davis running the 
pick-and-roll, and then CJ gun 

767
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,500
out in the corners for a spot 
up, you know, Corner three, you 

768
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:44,200
can run the pick-and-roll with 
race Thompson. 

769
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:46,900
You have Jordan Geronimo doing 
athletic things and kind of just

770
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:50,500
being the, you know, 3 and D guy
just you know, running all over 

771
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:53,500
the place to me. 
That's a very balanced line up 

772
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:57,200
and a very interesting lineup. 
It also leads for a fun kind of 

773
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,700
small almost. 
I don't want to say like lineup 

774
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:02,900
of death, but almost a small 
Backup second unit where your 

775
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:07,400
second unit would be Hood. 
Fino Renault Galloway Bates, and

776
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,000
cop as the Azure five as kind of
a that would be a position with 

777
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,700
basketball with no prototypical.
Five people like my dad like 

778
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,000
older fans or be like what do 
you do with a getting the post? 

779
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Like what's going on? 
Like you can have three 

780
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,800
different guys, bring the ball 
up there like that. 

781
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,100
That could be a really 
interesting second unit. 

782
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:28,600
But yeah, that would be in my 
world. 

783
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,800
I think that CJ got if he can 
come in and I shoot at a 37 to 

784
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,900
39 percent clip from three, but 
that that line up there. 

785
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:39,800
He's got whoever's in that spot,
is going to get a ton of wide 

786
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,000
open. 
Looks because I think Jordan 

787
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,700
Geronimo is pretty safe to be in
the starting lineup. 

788
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:48,200
But you know, that, that second 
spot you have Xavier Jordan 

789
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,900
race, tjd that spot right there.
Whoever it is, if it's Miller 

790
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:54,500
cop, if it's TJ gun if it's 
Hood, should be no, like they're

791
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:56,000
going to get a lot of open, 
looks well. 

792
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,800
I think the post. 
Yeah, the players are going to 

793
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,000
play it. 
The put the big wild card to me 

794
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,800
in terms. 
Development is Tamar Bates 

795
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:07,500
because if you look at Tamar 
Bates is numbers, you know, the 

796
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:09,600
reason I don't have them as an 
automatic starter. 

797
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:13,500
Despite, you know, physically I 
think being probably the best 

798
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:17,400
fit for that to position right 
now is his offensive numbers 

799
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,000
really, worried me during this 
last year and look at a lot 

800
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
going on. 
It was a weird season, weird 

801
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,800
weird time to be a freshman in 
general, but to only shoot 37 

802
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,600
percent from two to shoot, you 
know, barely 30 percent. 

803
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,300
You have to round up to get him 
to 30%. 

804
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,700
From three to have turned the 
ball over on 16 percent of your 

805
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:36,100
possessions. 
And to have had so many 

806
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:41,100
possessions where he just looked
lost or struggling to figure out

807
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:42,900
what he was supposed to be doing
on the floor. 

808
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:45,600
It's hard to then mentally 
project, that, that player is 

809
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,100
going to just jump right in and 
be a starter that said his 

810
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,500
athleticism. 
His ability on defense. 

811
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,700
I could see a scenario where 
Mike Woodson looks at him and 

812
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:58,600
says, this is a guy that I need 
on the floor for a higher 

813
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,000
percentage of minutes and So 
that is also just real quick. 

814
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,200
He's also a guy who not just 
could Woodson say that like he 

815
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,300
has all the pieces there to make
that freshman to sophomore jump,

816
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,000
where you just like. 
Oh my God, where'd this come 

817
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,500
from? 
And like he has all the pieces 

818
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:15,000
there were he could make that 
jump. 

819
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,100
Where's not Woodson saying I 
need is like you have to play 

820
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:20,100
him like he becomes that guy 
where it's like dude word of 

821
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:21,300
this. 
This he put it all together. 

822
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:23,500
Well this end of he has that 
ability to do it and keep in 

823
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:27,700
mind like this is a guy who in 
high school shot 58 percent from

824
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:29,700
the field and 44 percent from 
three. 

825
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:32,500
So, you know, you look at it. 
A guy like Jalen Hurd, Shafi 

826
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:36,300
know who didn't shoot well from 
outside from all accounts as a 

827
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,700
player at the high school level.
That's not Tamar bates's 

828
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:42,900
background. 
And so you could look at last 

829
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:44,500
year and say maybe that's a 
hiccup. 

830
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,700
And what we are really going to 
get is a different player. 

831
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:51,700
That's a lot more in things and 
understanding what he's supposed

832
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:54,100
to do, and able to execute and 
that would be great. 

833
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:55,900
And so maybe that ends up 
solving it. 

834
00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:58,900
This is where having really good
players across the board on the 

835
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,300
roster, really talented players 
is going to help. 

836
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,700
By you because the tomorrow 
Bates goes into this offseason 

837
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:06,700
and says, I'd like to start. 
I'd like to play a lot of 

838
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:08,600
minutes. 
I got a really up my game 

839
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,000
because you know, there's a 
freshman maybe two freshmen that

840
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,800
might be in that spot ahead of 
me. 

841
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,500
I will say this, going back to 
the question about who do I 

842
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:19,000
think the starting five would 
be? 

843
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,700
I think it's going to be 
different on January first than 

844
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:25,700
it is on November 10th or 
whatever. 

845
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:28,300
You know, I think that what 
you're going to see really 

846
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:30,600
didn't change it this year. 
No, but I think that was because

847
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,800
Woodson Look, I'll say this. 
I'll say this 10 years from now.

848
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:39,800
I think Woodson was dealing with
a very mismatched group in terms

849
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,800
of what they could do on the 
floor and their ability to 

850
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,100
execute. 
And so like, 'hey, I think 

851
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:46,300
Woodson would have loved to have
just been able to count on 

852
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:50,600
tomorrow baits for 20-25 minutes
of game and he couldn't and 

853
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:52,900
there's nothing wrong with that.
And as we've talked about many 

854
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:54,800
times. 
It's not an automatic that 

855
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,800
freshmen are going to come in 
and be able to perform, you 

856
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,000
know, but but I do think It's 
one of those things where now he

857
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,900
doesn't have to worry about that
with Tamar Bates. 

858
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:10,300
And I think ultimately that will
be something that across the 

859
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:12,300
board. 
Will see Woodson, be a little 

860
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:14,600
more flexible with what is 
lineups are. 

861
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,000
I think a lot of it last year 
was a real problem or a real 

862
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,000
perceptional issue with. 
Am I going to get something out 

863
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,600
of this player when I put them 
on the floor? 

864
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,600
Because, you know, we rob 
fennessy played less than Tamar 

865
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,900
Bates. 
And yes, he had injuries 

866
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:32,000
throughout but when Rob Finn is 
he was He's out there. 

867
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:35,500
He really struggled to 
contribute offensively. 

868
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:38,700
And this was just kind of the mo
of Rob fantasy and you're like, 

869
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,400
well, he'll snap out of it. 
He'll develop that offensive 

870
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,000
part of his game at some point 
in his career. 

871
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:47,200
He didn't pray Galloway, you 
know, he also was out with 

872
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,700
injury for decent amount of last
season, but he also didn't 

873
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:51,200
perform particularly well 
offensively. 

874
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,500
So I think a lot of what Woodson
was doing was saying, well, I'd 

875
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:56,800
rather have these guys that are 
contributing even in a mediocre 

876
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,300
level consistently because the 
guys that I could bring in their

877
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:02,400
place, just haven't shown the 
Bility to contribute 

878
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,500
consistently. 
That's what I hope. 

879
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:08,100
And what I think Woodson is 
hoping is changing this year 

880
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,600
because a lot of those players 
either can get better this 

881
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,700
offseason or they cannot play. 
And a couple of the players that

882
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,500
struggled with those aspects are
no longer going to be here in 

883
00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:23,400
this upcoming season. 
So look, I think this team still

884
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,100
going to base its identity on 
defense and the big question is 

885
00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:30,100
does Tamar Bates give you more 
on defense than a Jalen Hurd? 

886
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:33,200
Cheffy no wood. 
Or a Siege a gun would like that

887
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,600
will probably end up deciding 
that position on the floor, you 

888
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,800
know, because let's be honest. 
Like Parker Stewart really 

889
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,900
struggled defensively a lot last
year that ended up being 

890
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:44,000
something that kept. 
I you perhaps from getting into 

891
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,300
that top 20 in terms of overall 
defensive efficiency. 

892
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,000
It's no guarantee that that's 
not going to be the same this 

893
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,700
year. 
But at least you've got a 

894
00:43:51,707 --> 00:43:54,100
different deck that you're 
dealing out at this point. 

895
00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:57,400
Yeah. 
No, I agree. 

896
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,300
No, I well. 
I thought you had a point you 

897
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:02,000
wanted to hit before we never 
mind. 

898
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,700
Sorry. 
I was looking at something else.

899
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:06,300
So I do have a traceback before 
we finish. 

900
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:07,800
All you bath. 
One Last Thing Before We 

901
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,300
transition out of, all right, 
we're not quite there yet. 

902
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:12,500
But any way to go back to 
Patrick's question, I think to 

903
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:15,200
start with there's an 11-man 
rotation because I and I look, I

904
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,400
mean, and I'm not excluding dump
command. 

905
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,800
Lille. 
There's certainly possibilities 

906
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,300
that they could also get better 
and contribute. 

907
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:25,500
You know, I think with wheel the
big question is, you know, is he

908
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:29,500
going to be able to Provide 
shooting at a higher level, can 

909
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:34,100
he come in and, you know, serve 
that that role effectively to 

910
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:36,200
the point where you got to get 
them out on the floor? 

911
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,600
And, you know, for Duncan we 
just haven't seen enough of him 

912
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,300
to know. 
I'm a I'm a little surprised 

913
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:43,000
these back. 
I'm not disappointed that he's 

914
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000
back. 
It's nice to have a big body 

915
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,400
that can come in occasionally 
and do things. 

916
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,000
I just don't know what you're 
going to get out of him at this 

917
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,700
point. 
So with what we know and the 

918
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:53,300
players that you've got coming 
in. 

919
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:56,300
I think it starts with a 
relatively broad rotation. 

920
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,800
Oh, and you've got essentially, 
like you said, two, separate 

921
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,000
units and you can either treat 
the front Court in the backcourt

922
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,600
differently or, you know, you 
this team can go pretty big. 

923
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,800
I mean, the lineup that I 
proposed Geronimo Thompson 

924
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:12,900
Davis, that's a pretty imposing 
front, you know, three overall, 

925
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,900
but you could go significantly 
smaller if you wanted to. 

926
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:18,800
Like, it's not out of hand that 
you could have a race Thompson 

927
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,600
or even a Jordan Geronimo 
operating as, you know, the 

928
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,200
tallest player on the floor, if 
you needed to. 

929
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,200
And so, I do think there's some 
Tripp exploitation 

930
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,100
opportunities. 
If people are contributing 

931
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:34,200
consistently this year, that you
wouldn't have had the last four 

932
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,300
or five seasons know, for the 
first time in a while. 

933
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:40,800
I mean, I know we always are, 
you know, we go like it, start, 

934
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,500
we start the year be like, oh my
God, how are we gonna find 

935
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:44,600
playing time for all these guys?
And then by January, it's like, 

936
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,300
we have six guys on our team. 
It's like, we feel comfortable 

937
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:48,800
with. 
This is the first time I'm 

938
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,700
erring on the side of like I do.
See us having a kind of a glut 

939
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:55,300
of riches, like we do have a lot
of players, but to your point, 

940
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:58,100
the Fun thing is, here's a lot 
of lineups. 

941
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:01,900
You can put together, that could
be uniquely, the big lineup, you

942
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:05,200
could have a lineup of, you 
know, Trace Jackson Davis race. 

943
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,400
Thompson Miller cop cop, Jordan 
Geronimo and Xavier Johnson. 

944
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,500
I mean, you know, and playing 
copy at the top of the tool. 

945
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:12,800
Most you can have that. 
Why? 

946
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,900
Never like you said, you could 
have a really small lineup or 

947
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:18,900
geronimo's playing the five. 
So I think this could be a fun 

948
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:24,100
team that could provide a lot of
matchup problems for other teams

949
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:25,600
in a way that we haven't seen in
a while. 

950
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,900
The other questions that we had 
on the basketball front, that 

951
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:33,000
would be, I think separately 
like to tackle. 

952
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,100
So we had a question from Ethan,
Barksdale about Jordan Geronimo.

953
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:38,500
What are your thoughts on Jordan
Geronimo specifically next 

954
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:41,000
season? 
He had huge flashes of potential

955
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,600
this past year. 
How does it need to evolve this 

956
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,600
game to be more successful. 
So, you know, the thing about 

957
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,900
George Geronimo is he did evolve
his game a bit already. 

958
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,600
He increased, this is the kind 
of offensive increase that you 

959
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,200
want to see out of a player, his
office. 

960
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,500
Sufficiency from freshman year 
to sophomore, year went from 90 

961
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:03,800
1.42 100.3, which just means now
he's scoring at about a point 

962
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,700
per possession used, which is 
great. 

963
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,800
His, you know, his turnovers are
probably the biggest thing that 

964
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,800
Jordan Geronimo needs to work on
his. 

965
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,800
He's turned the ball over 
essentially on 20% and then 21% 

966
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,500
of the possessions that is used 
in the two years that he's been 

967
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:20,800
at IU. 
And I think a lot of that's 

968
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,000
just, you know, he's not an 
actual ball handler. 

969
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,000
He still kind of learning how to
maneuver and I can deal with 

970
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,000
things and catch effectively. 
So that's to me. 

971
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,000
Probably the biggest thing 
because if he can remove the the

972
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,600
situation where he's giving 
possessions away, he becomes a 

973
00:47:39,607 --> 00:47:43,300
much more efficient player. 
Defensively speaking. 

974
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:46,100
I think, you know, the, my big 
thing with Jordan Geronimo 

975
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:51,500
ultimately is he needs to 
embrace his athleticism more and

976
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,200
be more willing to pressure, 
opposed. 

977
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:58,100
Players. 
I saw a lot of that starting to 

978
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:00,700
develop towards the tail end of 
this upcoming year. 

979
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,300
But you know, that guy is a 
nightmare from a physical 

980
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:07,000
perspective to go up against, 
you know, he's six foot, six 

981
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,700
inches tall, He's listed at 225 
pounds. 

982
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:13,100
He's very versatile. 
He's clearly got if lettuces and

983
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:17,200
he's clearly got a motor, A lot 
of it is I think applying it and

984
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,800
being Smarter with it on the 
defensive end and then 

985
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,600
offensively just taking care of 
the ball, better taking good 

986
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,300
shots. 
And continuing to improve his 

987
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:27,200
rebounding ability. 
That was the other thing that 

988
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,700
really went up this past year 
was he he was able to perform a 

989
00:48:31,707 --> 00:48:35,100
lot better on both the offensive
and defensive glass. 

990
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,400
So to me I look at this guy. 
It's like there's a possibility 

991
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,300
of a breakout. 
I don't know if he's ever going 

992
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:45,000
to be a great or even like very 
good offensive player because 

993
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:48,200
there's other players that do 
almost everything that he would 

994
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,200
do better. 
But if he can sit outside, if he

995
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,700
can hit 35 to 40% of his threes,
if he can finish at the basket 

996
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:57,400
effectively. 
Anything could not turn the ball

997
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,500
over, that's a hard guy to take 
off the floor because of what he

998
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:03,500
brings elsewhere. 
So, you know, the nice thing 

999
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:06,400
about him is he knows how to 
play the for, you know, he can, 

1000
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,300
you know, he can play it a kind 
of a modified three, if he can 

1001
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:11,800
hit some shots, and he's going 
to be a nightmare to play 

1002
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,000
defensively. 
So it to me, it's more 

1003
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,400
incremental than anything else. 
But of all the players on the 

1004
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:21,400
team right now, he's probably 
got the best chance of taking a 

1005
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,900
dramatic leap from last year to 
this year. 

1006
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:26,500
Alongside Tamar Bates. 
Like those two, I think In 

1007
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:30,200
particular have the biggest 
potential jump in them. 

1008
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,900
And that's what I'm really kind 
of the most fascinating to see 

1009
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:35,200
is how much of a jump do both of
those guys end up taking. 

1010
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,000
Yeah, with with Geronimo with 
Bates, I would like to see more 

1011
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,600
of kind of the set up outside 
shooting with Geronimo. 

1012
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:44,700
I know we saw some of it to end 
the year. 

1013
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:47,100
So I'd like to see that grown. 
But to me, I think we're he 

1014
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:50,200
could really Excel. 
Like you mentioned is just 

1015
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:54,000
exploiting that lettuces and I 
look at two guys who were 

1016
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:57,400
unbelievably athletic in our 
history, and Oladipo 10g and an 

1017
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,100
OB. 
But, you know, Geronimo has a 

1018
00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:03,400
spot with this year's team where
people are gonna be focused from

1019
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,500
on Xavier Johnson. 
Teams are going to be focused on

1020
00:50:05,508 --> 00:50:07,700
Trace Jack. 
Davison race in the post which 

1021
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:09,800
is going to allow him George 
Runway. 

1022
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,100
He doesn't need to set up and 
shoot threes. 

1023
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:12,900
Like in a sense. 
He needs to do kind of what 

1024
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:16,100
early Oladipo didn't would ogn, 
an OB did because OG had Yogi 

1025
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:17,900
and Thomas Brian on the team 
with it. 

1026
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:20,500
You were originally other teams 
were looking at those guys. 

1027
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,300
And then of course, the old 
Depot teams, it wasn't until his

1028
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:25,100
junior year ago. 
Really teens were focused on 

1029
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:29,100
Halls Watford and Zeller in kind
of that triangle there, you know

1030
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:33,600
exploit that athleticism like 
crash the boards like he did in 

1031
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,000
the Wyoming Game, you know, just
be a Constant cutter. 

1032
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,300
Just always hitting, you know, 
cutting the lane using your 

1033
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:42,000
athleticism be all over the 
court. 

1034
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,100
And I think, just by crashing 
the boards and cutting, he could

1035
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:50,000
cope with game and have some 
highlight plays and it's going 

1036
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,300
to be if he's moving around and 
putting the defense in tough 

1037
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:56,200
spots. 
He's gonna be the one not based 

1038
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,300
on skill and I think just that 
teams are probably going to be. 

1039
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:02,000
All right, we can't, we can't, 
you know, lead tjd on D. 

1040
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,800
You can't leave him really can't
leave race. 

1041
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,000
You can't leave Xavier. 
So it's like he's going to be 

1042
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000
the Who if we're going to double
Jackson in the post? 

1043
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,800
It's going to be geronimo's guy 
who's going to leave. 

1044
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:13,100
And so Jen Geronimo can be the 
guy cutting to the post. 

1045
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:16,200
Like he's going to be in that 
great spot where he's probably 

1046
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:20,800
more qualified to be the guy 
than you know, the when it's 

1047
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,200
like, you know, no offense. 
But like when you Anthony Leo's 

1048
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,200
on the court cigar, he's 
Defender and kind of just I can 

1049
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,400
leave and I could be the double 
guy. 

1050
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,400
It's like but if teams are going
to double it's probably going to

1051
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,600
come from that spot and he's 
overqualified to be a guy who 

1052
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,200
can now cut and get all those 
spots. 

1053
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,000
But to me, it's like leading the
athleticism. 

1054
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,800
ISM and just be running for the 
vault crashing, the boards 

1055
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:41,600
driving, you know, cutting the 
lane. 

1056
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,300
And you're, like I said, he'll 
probably get 10 points a game, 

1057
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:46,000
just off of that. 
Yeah. 

1058
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,600
It's going to be a really 
interesting thing. 

1059
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,500
I'm really excited. 
I mean, I think there's a lot of

1060
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:52,600
fascinating stories on this 
team. 

1061
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,000
There's a lot of good potential 
development stories and I think 

1062
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,600
far more so than going into last
year. 

1063
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,700
We're going into last summer. 
I'm really excited to watch the 

1064
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,800
pieces mesh together. 
There and watch them 

1065
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,000
individually grow. 
And, you know, increasingly I 

1066
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,300
think, especially when you look 
at schedule related items, this 

1067
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:16,200
seems like, last year was almost
a training wheels, sorts of 

1068
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,500
season, where it's like, 
alright, can we re-establish 

1069
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,300
identity as a defensive team and
then figure out what the other 

1070
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:26,000
things are from there now, it's 
like, all right, that's in 

1071
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,700
place. 
We know what that system is. 

1072
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,400
How does that carry through? 
As we look at trying to get 

1073
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,000
better offensively as guys, try 
to get better individually and 

1074
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:38,200
And I just think there's a lot 
of really cool things that we 

1075
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,600
can look forward to with this 
team. 

1076
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,400
Yeah, go ahead. 
Well, you mentioned the 

1077
00:52:41,408 --> 00:52:43,500
schedule, that's something you. 
And I have not talked about on 

1078
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:45,700
the pods since it's been 
released like that. 

1079
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,100
I'm so happy to see Woodson 
getting into this, and embracing

1080
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,300
it. 
It's almost I'm happy with where

1081
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:52,500
we're at. 
But as you start looking at, 

1082
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,000
it's like you, we know we're 
playing at Kansas. 

1083
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:55,800
That's awesome. 
We know. 

1084
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,500
We now have the non-conference 
game that or the neutral game 

1085
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:02,500
site against Arizona in Vegas, 
you know, based on the Big Ten 

1086
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:04,400
ACC challenge. 
It looks like we might get 

1087
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,500
North, Carolina or Virginia. 
Home. 

1088
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,900
And then with the, you know, the
a, that the Gavotte game, 

1089
00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:10,500
something we have one more of 
those. 

1090
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:13,800
Not sure who were get, we almost
swung it too far, not too bad 

1091
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,900
way, but it's like looking at. 
It's like if we have North 

1092
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:18,800
Carolina, Arizona, and Kansas on
our schedule, like, we're 

1093
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,100
playing three of the top 10 
teams, almost like a. 

1094
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:23,700
All right, like we're turning 
into like Michigan State here. 

1095
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:25,700
We're gonna play, you know, Duke
on a battleship or something. 

1096
00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:27,600
Like, are we doing one of those 
games where? 

1097
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,500
But I mean, this is great. 
And this also shows, you know, 

1098
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:35,000
in basketball, like it's it's a 
decision when you're the coach 

1099
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,200
of, Indiana. 
If you don't play a schedule 

1100
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,400
like this because you can't say 
that Woodson had a ton of wind 

1101
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,000
in his sails, you know, he had 
an OKC's is not like they won 

1102
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,800
the final four last year, you 
know, then okay season. 

1103
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,800
But look what he was able to 
get. 

1104
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,800
You know, he got a Kansas home 
and home. 

1105
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:53,100
You got a game against Arizona 
like just within like that. 

1106
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:55,800
It's like, oh, you have a pulse 
great, you're playing a, you 

1107
00:53:55,808 --> 00:53:58,000
know, top ten schedule in the 
country in some pretty 

1108
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,900
high-profile games. 
I think getting rid of the 

1109
00:53:59,908 --> 00:54:03,400
crossroads helps in a weird way 
with the crossroads be off, we 

1110
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,900
could actually theoretically was
reading this play Butler. 

1111
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:09,000
In the gavitt games, which could
be interesting as well, but 

1112
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:14,000
it's, it's funny because I went 
from, you know, you and I try 

1113
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,400
and go to the best 
non-conference game of the year,

1114
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,800
and it's like, for a couple of 
years there. 

1115
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,100
It's like, all right. 
Well, I guess we'll go to st. 

1116
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:20,700
John's. 
Yeah, or like, maybe we'll go 

1117
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:24,200
SMU like it. 
Like, now, we're looking at it. 

1118
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,400
It's like, I'm already 
committed. 

1119
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,700
Like, I knew I was going to 
Kansas just because I want to 

1120
00:54:27,707 --> 00:54:31,100
see. 
I want to see that the the field

1121
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:32,600
house there, but now it's like, 
all right. 

1122
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,100
Well the weekend before I got to
go to Vegas because I want to go

1123
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:37,900
see, Arizona. 
Like I've gone from basically 

1124
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:41,700
having one night in that time 
that I go with Calum to kind of 

1125
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:44,000
a mid-range game. 
Should now it's like I might get

1126
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,600
divorced because I want to be 
gone for three months out of, 

1127
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,700
you know, two to three or three 
weeks in the fall, but no, it's 

1128
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:51,200
fantastic. 
It's going to be great to. 

1129
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,300
Now. 
This is a fun time. 

1130
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,100
Like you said, we have a fun T. 
We have guys that we've known 

1131
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:58,600
guys, that we've kind of grow 
with the last couple of years 

1132
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,400
and now it's like we get to go 
out and take our toys and play 

1133
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,000
with them. 
Like let's go play with her toys

1134
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:03,700
in Vegas. 
Let's go play in Kansas. 

1135
00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:07,600
Like the the schedule aspect is 
Awesome, and it's nice to see, 

1136
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:12,100
you know, I'll end with this. 
We get so concerned about, you 

1137
00:55:12,107 --> 00:55:13,500
know, recruiting and how is this
do? 

1138
00:55:13,500 --> 00:55:17,200
And, you know, Hoosier hysteria 
as not a guy who's not into 

1139
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:17,800
recruiting. 
I know. 

1140
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:22,100
Take a shot for those of you out
there, but I do believe that the

1141
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:26,100
fact that Indiana has been 
basically, you know, in absentee

1142
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:29,500
of all these big preseason 
tournaments and preseason games.

1143
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:33,600
I think this is hurt. 
I think now us having these big 

1144
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,400
Prime Time games against Kansas 
against Arizona, you're playing 

1145
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,100
these games. 
This is what helped. 

1146
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:41,900
This is, what helps in that 
November, December timeframe, 

1147
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:44,600
where you have the NFL back, you
have the NBA starting. 

1148
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:47,300
You have the end of the baseball
playoffs, like what breaks 

1149
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:50,200
through the all the holidays? 
What breaks through that noise? 

1150
00:55:50,300 --> 00:55:52,100
Oh, it's Kansas and Kentucky 
plan. 

1151
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:54,200
Like I'll watch that. 
Like Indiana has been absent 

1152
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,700
from all of that for like 10 
years. 

1153
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:57,400
And so it's nice to see us 
getting back. 

1154
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:00,300
And I think this is going to pay
dividends in the next three to 

1155
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:02,900
four years in recruit. 
I think you're right. 

1156
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:05,900
I mean, you've got to get out 
and play on big stages. 

1157
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,100
And you've got to be able to 
have a good product when you do 

1158
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:12,200
that. 
And you know, I just I know 

1159
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,100
there were criticisms last year 
the schedule of Woodson and 

1160
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:18,700
particular and it's like with a 
with a team that was that 

1161
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,000
uncertain and that could have 
done what you did last year. 

1162
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,200
Like that's a schedule should 
have been. 

1163
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,400
Yeah, it's already had. 
Yeah, you know, but but now okay

1164
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,300
you progress this forward and 
this is really where the 

1165
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:29,200
standard should be and look 
this. 

1166
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,600
This has been an issue for a 
while and it precedes, you know,

1167
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:35,400
Archie Miller. 
I mean, this was a Tom crean 

1168
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:36,900
issues. 
Well, yes cream did. 

1169
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:39,500
Have I you play in some pretty 
good non-conference games here 

1170
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:42,200
and there, but they also played 
a bunch of really bad teams. 

1171
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,000
And it's, it's fascinating how 
much of a sea change that is 

1172
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,200
from what Indiana used to do, 
which was overload themselves 

1173
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,800
all the time. 
And there were occasional years 

1174
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,500
where they weren't very good, 
comparatively speaking, but they

1175
00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:59,800
were still in those games that 
the brand was still out there. 

1176
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,300
Go back and listen to the 
podcast Galen did with like the 

1177
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:05,900
basketball HD guys, or whoever 
that was. 

1178
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,200
G. 
Yes, 90. 

1179
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:11,300
Yeah, the 92-93 IU basketball 
team because college basketball 

1180
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:12,000
stories. 
Yes. 

1181
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:12,800
That's right. 
That one. 

1182
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,800
Yeah, it's just go. 
Yeah, college basketball 

1183
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,000
stories. 
Look for the iu1. 

1184
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,300
Listen to Gayle. 
And he's as always, he's 

1185
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:20,500
fantastic. 
But as if you go through that 

1186
00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:23,000
that preseason like, oh, well, 
they played Xavier that stable 

1187
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,100
ranked fifth in the country. 
They played Kentucky ranked 

1188
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:27,300
sixth in the country. 
It's like there was no brakes. 

1189
00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:28,600
Yeah. 
It's like the worst name was 

1190
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,500
like, they played a stretch. 
They played like top 25 teams 

1191
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:33,500
for, like, six games in a row. 
Yeah. 

1192
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:36,600
It's well and look, you have to 
build back up to That, you know,

1193
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,800
I think ultimately that's that's
the big question mark and 

1194
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,300
throwing your team out to 
slaughter is bad. 

1195
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:44,400
But you also have to have a team
that you're comfortable with and

1196
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,800
it just never felt like it never
felt like Tom crean was fully 

1197
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,100
comfortable with putting his 
team out like that. 

1198
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,000
And it really never felt like 
Archie Miller got there either. 

1199
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,200
And look some of the contractual
stuff with gaved games with 

1200
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,200
Crossroads has certainly been a 
roadblock as well. 

1201
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,600
So it is nice and we've been 
talking about that for years. 

1202
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,400
Getting that off the books 
letting I use Judge ruled the 

1203
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,000
way that they should be and 
we'll see what happens as a 

1204
00:58:09,008 --> 00:58:12,300
result of it. 
Last question on IU basketball 

1205
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:13,900
and then we're going to move on 
and talk some football. 

1206
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:17,400
But I you artifacts asks, what 
is the realistic end of your 

1207
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,600
expectation with this team in 
terms of the tournament giving 

1208
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,500
the returning players and the 
incoming freshman class. 

1209
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,300
So I'm going to let you start 
with this. 

1210
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:28,900
Let's let's expand it slightly. 
If you're looking and I know 

1211
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:33,900
it's way early, it's May but 
what would you consider to be 

1212
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:38,400
realistic and Of your 
expectation for what Indiana's 

1213
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,500
Conference record is and what 
they potentially could do in the

1214
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:46,800
NCAA tournament. 
Yeah, and, you know, I will say,

1215
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,900
on the assembly call Ryan 
Phillips, talk about this and he

1216
00:58:49,900 --> 00:58:53,200
put it into good good context. 
That, you know, we need to be in

1217
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:58,500
a spot where a few, you know, 
the March is a crapshoot and but

1218
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:00,900
it's all about is putting 
ourselves in a good position. 

1219
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:03,200
It's like you just need more 
shots of the sweet 16. 

1220
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,600
If you get a bunch of sweet 16s,
you're going to get a final four

1221
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:09,000
unless you're pretty and you 
know, but then and then if you 

1222
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,700
get a bunch of final fours, 
you're going to win a title. 

1223
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:12,800
I mean, look at Kansas like it 
is funny. 

1224
00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:15,400
Kansas doesn't that they've been
good every single year. 

1225
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,800
They haven't, you know, they 
want to title this year. 

1226
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,000
But before the 2008 like they 
were on like a 15 year drought, 

1227
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,100
which by the way, it's like I'll
take it. 

1228
00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:25,600
Somebody was like pushing 40 
years, like that, sign me up all

1229
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,700
day long. 
So it's hard to say, like I 

1230
00:59:27,700 --> 00:59:29,700
think we'll finish, you know, in
the sweet 16 or this and that. 

1231
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:33,900
But I, I think I will, I can't 
go to numbers right now until we

1232
00:59:33,900 --> 00:59:36,300
see the schedule, and I like to 
see the team play in The 

1233
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:39,900
Freshman, play a little bit, but
I think again, I'll kind of take

1234
00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:44,600
it step by step. 
I think based on What we have 

1235
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,400
returning, what the other teams,
the Big Ten are losing and not 

1236
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,300
returning. 
I think it's fair to say. 

1237
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:53,200
This is a top three team in the 
Big Ten and this team should be 

1238
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,700
competing for top three seed, 
you know double by the Big Ten 

1239
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:59,100
Tournament, which I know you 
don't get you. 

1240
00:59:59,107 --> 01:00:02,500
Don't get a banner for that lets
you coaching or Tom crean. 

1241
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:05,800
But you know, I think it's I 
don't want to say they should 

1242
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,500
win the Big Ten, but I think 
they should be in that mix and 

1243
01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:10,100
control the things they can 
control. 

1244
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:12,300
I think this should have team 
that should you know, do very 

1245
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:14,200
well at home. 
Home in the Big Ten, you know, 

1246
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,400
shouldn't be losing, you know, 
multi would say hopefully losing

1247
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,700
under two games in the Big 10 at
home. 

1248
01:00:20,900 --> 01:00:22,900
And I think it's a realistic 
expectation that if things 

1249
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:25,600
coalesce together and again, 
kind of caveat like no 

1250
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,200
suspensions. 
No injuries, like, you know, 

1251
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,700
those things are things that we 
can't foresee. 

1252
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:33,200
But you know competing for that 
top Echelon of the Big Ten and a

1253
01:00:33,207 --> 01:00:36,000
things break correctly. 
When a Big Ten title, if those 

1254
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,900
things happen, you know, it 
would be nice to see us play on 

1255
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:42,300
a Saturday in the Big Ten 
Tournament again back-to-back 

1256
01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:46,200
years that The first time ever 
for an Indiana team, maybe we do

1257
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,800
put a banner up for that. 
You know, if we can have a 

1258
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,600
stupid Indiana's, number 1 1976 
team. 

1259
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,600
We could have a back-to-back 
Saturday Big Ten Tournament 

1260
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,600
team. 
But if you do those things, if 

1261
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,600
your top two or three in the Big
Ten, if you have a good showing 

1262
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,000
in the Big Ten Tournament, 
you're probably a protected seed

1263
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,200
in the NCAA tournament. 
You're probably not a one or 

1264
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,600
two, but you're a, three, four 
or five and then you know, the 

1265
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,700
expectation is as long as you're
not upset, you're going to this.

1266
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:15,200
Sweet 16. 
And so I do think, I don't want 

1267
01:01:15,207 --> 01:01:18,000
to say Big Ten title. 
Sweet 16 or bust, but I do think

1268
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,500
that those are all realistic 
expectations based on competing.

1269
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:24,100
You know, you, you have a season
similar to Iowa. 

1270
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:27,500
You're going to be a three, 
four, five seed, and then it's 

1271
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:30,500
like, well, the bracket is set 
up for you to get to the Sweet 

1272
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:33,400
16. 
And then from there, it does 

1273
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,100
kind of become matchups and 
who's playing well, and how two 

1274
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:38,500
things look, and then it becomes
a little harder to 

1275
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:42,700
prognosticate, but I think that,
you know, those to me would be 

1276
01:01:42,707 --> 01:01:46,400
the The very high level 
expectations is competing for a 

1277
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,800
Big Ten title top, three, Big 
Ten and give yourself a 

1278
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,300
realistic path to a sweet 16. 
Yeah. 

1279
01:01:53,300 --> 01:01:57,900
I'm in the same boat on both. 
The thing is this as far as the 

1280
01:01:57,900 --> 01:01:59,900
big Ten's concerned? 
A lot of it depends on the 

1281
01:01:59,908 --> 01:02:02,800
schedule breakdown and who gets 
to play who and where? 

1282
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,400
And we just won't know that for 
a while and that matters it 

1283
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,000
who's wrapping around. 
Who's, exactly. 

1284
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:13,000
Yeah, but I mean, you look at 
you look at last year and And, 

1285
01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:17,300
you know, the two teams that 
tied for the conference title in

1286
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:19,300
the regular season, Illinois and
Wisconsin. 

1287
01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:23,600
Wisconsin had the 10th easiest 
schedule in the conference. 

1288
01:02:24,100 --> 01:02:27,800
Illinois was a little bit 
tougher but you know, Wisconsin 

1289
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,300
benefited I think from a lot of 
favorable matchups at the right 

1290
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:36,200
times that you just don't know 
how that's going to break and 

1291
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,200
you know Purdue by all accounts 
should have been the team that 

1292
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,200
won the Big Ten last year and it
didn't work out for Them. 

1293
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,500
And it was largely because, you 
know, they had to go on the road

1294
01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:47,700
at the very end of the season 
and play Michigan State, and 

1295
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:52,000
Wisconsin on back-to-back days. 
Like that's hard to do in March 

1296
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,900
when everybody is really getting
geared up. 

1297
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:57,800
And so look, I do think the idea
of Indiana being a top three top

1298
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,500
40 min conference with the 
number of people that have left 

1299
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,500
in the conference. 
You would look at IU and say, 

1300
01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:06,100
well, you've got all these 
people back. 

1301
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,500
The one question that you have 
about IU is, do they know how to

1302
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:12,700
manage themselves down the 
stretch in a Big Ten. 

1303
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,200
Title Chase, they've never done 
it. 

1304
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:16,800
This group is never done it 
before. 

1305
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,700
I you hasn't been in a Big Ten 
title Chase of note in now six 

1306
01:03:20,700 --> 01:03:24,700
years or seven years. 
So there's that's not really in 

1307
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:30,500
the DNA of the program and it 
it's a hard conference to win. 

1308
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,600
If you haven't been a contender 
in Prior Seasons, you know, I 

1309
01:03:35,607 --> 01:03:39,500
mean, Illinois, shares the Big 
Ten this past year, they, you 

1310
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:42,600
know, they didn't Technically 
when it in 2021, but they were 

1311
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,300
right. 
Up there in the mix of things 

1312
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:49,000
and you know in 2020 you had a 
three-way tie and Wisconsin was 

1313
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,700
in that group and there were 
players from that team that were

1314
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,500
on this this last year's team. 
So I just wonder with IU. 

1315
01:03:56,100 --> 01:04:00,200
Are they going to be able to 
deal with all of the intangible 

1316
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,400
items that you have to deal with
going through a conference 

1317
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:04,600
season? 
That's a grind. 

1318
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:08,300
It's a 20-game schedule to be 
able to hold it together all the

1319
01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:11,000
way through and get those 
contributions from across the 

1320
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,700
board that you need to win a 
title. 

1321
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,200
Idol. 
I think the talents there and I 

1322
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,500
think if you look at what 
Indiana's got coming back, they 

1323
01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:19,500
have to be considered one of the
favorites and I think that they 

1324
01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:23,100
will be, I would probably still 
feel more comfortable, looking 

1325
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:26,000
at, you know, a Michigan or 
somebody like that and saying 

1326
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,800
well, they've been there before.
They're more likely to be able 

1327
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,200
to close the deal. 
But I think a top-three finish 

1328
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,300
for Indiana and the Big Ten 
after years of not getting 

1329
01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:38,300
anywhere close to, that would be
quite an accomplishment. 

1330
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,900
And as far as the tournaments 
concerned, the one big question,

1331
01:04:40,900 --> 01:04:44,200
I have, I think, If you're a top
three team in a power 

1332
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,000
conference, your expectations 
should be that you get to the 

1333
01:04:47,008 --> 01:04:49,900
Sweet 16 and I think that's what
Indiana's expectations would be.

1334
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:55,100
Can they get beyond that? 
I guess I have concerns because,

1335
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,900
you know, they've been reliably 
in the 80's 90's 100's as far as

1336
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:03,300
offensive efficiency over the 
course of the last several 

1337
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:05,000
years. 
They were 90 something last year

1338
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,900
95th. 
You look at the teams that made 

1339
01:05:07,900 --> 01:05:12,600
the final four and the ones that
did generally We're really good 

1340
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,000
offensive teams. 
They were better offensive teams

1341
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,900
and they were defensive teams. 
They were pretty Elite in both, 

1342
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,000
but they were slightly better 
offensively. 

1343
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,300
I don't see a scenario where 
Indiana suddenly becomes a top 

1344
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:27,700
15, top 20 offensive team from 
an efficiency perspective. 

1345
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,800
If they did that I think you 
could legitimately say this is a

1346
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,900
team that could contend for the 
final four barring that. 

1347
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,800
I think sweet 16 is probably the
cap on this particular roster. 

1348
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:42,600
I'd love to be proven wrong, but
without a team, It's really 

1349
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,300
going to make it happen 
offensively even to some degree 

1350
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:47,700
to the detriment of their 
defense. 

1351
01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:50,400
I just don't know that that's 
going to carry you with the way 

1352
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,500
that college basketball sets up 
right now that said, you know, 

1353
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:56,700
Iowa State progressed pretty far
in the tournament last year and 

1354
01:05:56,700 --> 01:05:58,200
that was not a very good 
offensive team. 

1355
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,700
There were a couple of other 
teams like that, you know, so 

1356
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:03,400
ultimately much like the 
schedule in the Big Ten. 

1357
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:06,100
Your tournament luck is going to
be down to what your matchups 

1358
01:06:06,100 --> 01:06:08,100
are. 
Who you end up drawing and how 

1359
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:12,300
they deal with what you do. 
And, you know, It is a little 

1360
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:14,600
bit of a concern because this IU
team just doesn't have a lot of 

1361
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,000
tournament experience. 
They do have some now from what 

1362
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,600
happened last year, but they 
don't have the kind of 

1363
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,500
tournament experience that you 
can lean on. 

1364
01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:26,900
If you're in a tough game in the
second round of the sweet 16 to 

1365
01:06:26,900 --> 01:06:30,500
help get you to that next level.
So, we'll see ya. 

1366
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,400
Anyway, did you have one last 
thing to talk about? 

1367
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,700
Yeah, absolutely. 
So, I went into this looking to 

1368
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:39,000
debunk something and actually 
kind of, you know, the stats 

1369
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,100
change my mind a little bit. 
And so one thing I've heard in a

1370
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:44,800
couple different. 
Was you know, this cements Trace

1371
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,700
Jackson's Legacy at Indiana, you
know, and people have been 

1372
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:49,800
saying he's a top ten. 
He's going to be a top ten 

1373
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,400
Hoosier of all time, having done
this. 

1374
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,700
And my thing, whenever I hear 
that you, especially in the NBA 

1375
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:54,800
it's ago. 
He's a top five guy. 

1376
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,800
It's like, I will who you bump 
it, like, who's getting bumped 

1377
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,900
out then, because if he's 
Indiana, does have a good 

1378
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:02,500
Legacy. 
You have five national 

1379
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:05,500
championship teams, you know, 
he's gonna be top ten who you 

1380
01:07:05,508 --> 01:07:07,200
bumping. 
So I went into that thinking 

1381
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,000
this thinking that and just kind
of be like, all right, there's 

1382
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,300
no way. 
But I just want to play with you

1383
01:07:13,300 --> 01:07:15,200
real quick on this. 
So I was trying to put together 

1384
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,300
a real quick list of like the 
top Hoosiers. 

1385
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:20,300
Here's the guy, I have two 
different camps and then I'll 

1386
01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:24,500
give you my thought process on 
what what is afoot for Trace 

1387
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:28,700
Jackson Davis here, this 
upcoming season, guys, in the 

1388
01:07:28,707 --> 01:07:31,700
top six and then let me get 
through it and then you kind of 

1389
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:33,500
keep notes and tell me who I'm 
forgetting some sure. 

1390
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:36,700
I'm forgetting somebody talking 
to the Oracle value, basketball 

1391
01:07:36,700 --> 01:07:40,000
here in note. 
No particular order, not 

1392
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,900
ordering these things, but the 
six that I have Steve Alford 

1393
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:44,500
Calbert cheaney Kent Benson 
Quinn. 

1394
01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:48,100
Buckner Scott met Isaiah Thomas.
They're in kind of a realm of 

1395
01:07:48,107 --> 01:07:50,900
their own. 
They're on there either in 

1396
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:54,400
amazing players like Cheney or 
guys who are leaders on teams 

1397
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,700
that won championships. 
So those six are in one 

1398
01:07:57,700 --> 01:07:59,800
category. 
We just we just ignoring anybody

1399
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,500
that was alive before 1970 or 
what. 

1400
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,200
I mean I can add so I can add 
slick Leonard to that. 

1401
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,700
I was back in love to get more 
like Don. 

1402
01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:10,300
Chuan tour, Walt Bellum. 
Anyway. 

1403
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:11,200
Sorry, go ahead. 
Please. 

1404
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,800
Keep going. 
Why have those guys? 

1405
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,400
So the next category? 
Yeah, fortunately it is like 

1406
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:20,300
there is just a age and time 
kills kills legacies it does. 

1407
01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,500
But it does the next group of 
guys are Our Fate, our 

1408
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:27,100
historically important in their 
own, right, but I have a list of

1409
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:29,700
key smart Damon Bailey. 
AJ Moyer Jeffries. 

1410
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:33,300
Cody, Zeller Oladipo Watford, 
question, mark, but having their

1411
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:35,500
slick. 
Leonard J Edwards land in Turner

1412
01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:37,200
Yogi, Ferrell Don chalant. 
There you go. 

1413
01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:40,700
DJ white, the Van Arsdale twins.
Great G Kirk, Hasting, Alan 

1414
01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:43,800
Henderson. 
The list gets longer when you 

1415
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,500
add those guys in, but listening
to assembly, call that dr. 

1416
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:50,899
Rick Boza John, one of their 
emergency pods, and I was 

1417
01:08:50,899 --> 01:08:53,200
searching for it. 
Here, couldn't find it. 

1418
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,899
But bows us would saying that, 
you know, if you take Trace 

1419
01:08:55,899 --> 01:08:59,399
Jackson Davis has kind of 
average historical points, and 

1420
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,200
Tack it on to what he's done. 
And he could finish third in 

1421
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,700
overall. 
I, you scoring could and I think

1422
01:09:04,700 --> 01:09:07,000
I heard this right? 
Could like become number one or 

1423
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,300
two at all time. 
Rebounding. 

1424
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:11,600
Like past Salim Henderson, and 
I'm sorry to fit. 

1425
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,800
So I As I look at this more, 
it's like, all right, if those 

1426
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,399
are the top six, you add slick 
letter to it from the 53 T. 

1427
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:21,800
Maybe it's the top seven, you 
know, the thing that he's 

1428
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:26,000
missing is having, you know, 
either iconic moments, like an 

1429
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,800
aged a moie or obviously a key 
smart or a Watford or just lots 

1430
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:34,000
of tournament success. 
Like Landon Turner Yogi, Ferrell

1431
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:37,399
Jared Jeffries and there is 
something here. 

1432
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:39,399
There's more to it than I 
originally thought I went into 

1433
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:41,600
this thinking like that's crazy,
like no way. 

1434
01:09:42,899 --> 01:09:45,399
Now they have a season where 
they, they don't make the 

1435
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:46,700
tournament or, you know, 
something like that. 

1436
01:09:46,700 --> 01:09:48,500
Like, it's going to be harder to
put them there. 

1437
01:09:48,500 --> 01:09:52,300
But if he gets to top three 
scoring all the time, if he's 

1438
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:55,000
close to 1 or 2 and all-time 
rebounds at IU. 

1439
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,200
And again, I'm not saying it has
to happen. 

1440
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,100
I'm just saying, let's say they 
make a run. 

1441
01:09:59,300 --> 01:10:02,400
Let's say they make a run to a 
final four or an ally date, and 

1442
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,500
have a great game there. 
I will reconsider and say, I 

1443
01:10:06,500 --> 01:10:10,900
don't think it's illogical that 
he could become a top 10 player.

1444
01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:13,900
And I also think this is It's 
unfair to trace Jackson Davis. 

1445
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:18,100
But if this ushers in us back to
being what we want, as a 

1446
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:20,000
program, we're kind of like 
we're now. 

1447
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,500
The new Norm is this. 
I think we will look back and be

1448
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:27,100
like, it was traced like, it was
traced and Woodson, but he would

1449
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:29,600
be part of that mix of guys. 
That kind of was like, all 

1450
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,100
right. 
Now we're on the threshold of 

1451
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:33,300
being back to like, what we want
to be at. 

1452
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:37,600
So I do think there's a lot of 
historical significance at 

1453
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,500
traces feet this year. 
And I mean obviously went to 

1454
01:10:40,508 --> 01:10:42,600
title, he's going to be 
Immortalized. 

1455
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:46,000
He'll be there but I think if he
had a couple of iconic it he put

1456
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,900
together a 38-point game and a 
sweet 16 or something. 

1457
01:10:48,900 --> 01:10:53,200
Like, I think him being a top 10
player at IU is really on the 

1458
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,500
table. 
Some things have to happen, but 

1459
01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:59,200
it's there. 
And I was not thinking that 

1460
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,000
going into this exercise, man. 
I don't know. 

1461
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:06,000
I mean, here's the thing and I 
was not prepared for this 

1462
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,700
question is so I didn't do any 
prep, but I look at Trace 

1463
01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:13,600
Jackson Davis. 
I say Bring him carrying the 

1464
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,800
team to a national championship.
I don't think there's a way that

1465
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:21,000
you look at him in terms of his 
overall contributions, as being 

1466
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,600
in the top 10 of IU players. 
I mean, there's just like off 

1467
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,600
the top of my head, like, 
there's no way even if he wins a

1468
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,400
national title. 
I think that he exceeds Cheney 

1469
01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:35,000
offered Mike Woodson, Kent 
Benson Scott. 

1470
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,100
May, you know, there's that's 
five and that's just off the top

1471
01:11:39,100 --> 01:11:40,500
of my head. 
And there are several others 

1472
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:42,500
that I could throw in. 
If I think a little A bit more 

1473
01:11:42,500 --> 01:11:45,500
about statistical contributions,
how effective they were as 

1474
01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:47,900
players and Isaiah Thomas. 
I love you. 

1475
01:11:47,900 --> 01:11:51,200
Well, yeah, no and Isiah Thomas 
did that in two years, you know,

1476
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,800
so I think this is the problem. 
It's and this is always the 

1477
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,500
tricky thing whether it's 
college or Pro when you try to 

1478
01:11:57,500 --> 01:12:02,300
balance, longevity versus 
accomplishment, and all of those

1479
01:12:02,300 --> 01:12:05,400
players that we just talked 
about and several others that 

1480
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,900
you mentioned in that longer 
listed quibble with like A.J. 

1481
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:11,100
Moyet, but like, you know, 
there's a lot of that moment 

1482
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:13,300
like, but for him, The moment, 
but II. 

1483
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:15,300
See I put a lot. 
I put all your players in 

1484
01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:17,100
buckets. 
And right now, Trace Jackson 

1485
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:19,700
Davis to me is in the same 
bucket as Yogi. 

1486
01:12:19,700 --> 01:12:24,900
Ferrell and AJ Gaiden guys who 
played for four years who made a

1487
01:12:24,900 --> 01:12:28,500
lot of statistical contributions
who did a lot of really good 

1488
01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:30,700
things. 
I mean, Yogi Ferrell 12, Big Ten

1489
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:33,700
titles. 
AJ gaytan was an All-American 

1490
01:12:33,700 --> 01:12:38,800
his senior year, but when you 
think about the full expanse, 

1491
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,500
and what we think about as far 
as like, who were the best I, 

1492
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:45,300
you play. 
Layers being great at IU, really

1493
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:49,000
does, require you to do 
something above and beyond just 

1494
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,900
put up statistics for four years
to some degree. 

1495
01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:54,800
It's why Walt Bellamy, I think, 
isn't rated more highly because 

1496
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:59,500
even though he might be a better
basketball player age and era, 

1497
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,400
you know adjusted, then almost 
anybody else on the list because

1498
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,700
he played at a time when Indiana
didn't have a huge amount of 

1499
01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:09,600
on-court success. 
All Things Considered he ends up

1500
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,700
falling down the rankings in 
people's head. 

1501
01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:15,600
You know, that can also inflate 
people, you know, beyond where 

1502
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,200
we should be thinking about 
them. 

1503
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:21,400
But the point being right now, 
Trace Jackson Davis, he's had a 

1504
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:25,100
clearly impressive statistical 
profile over the course of the 

1505
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:28,400
three years that he's been here.
One of those years was the covid

1506
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:29,900
year. 
So, you know, we lost some 

1507
01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:32,300
statistics that he might have 
racked up there that might have 

1508
01:13:32,308 --> 01:13:33,600
even put them higher up the 
list. 

1509
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,300
But to me to get into that top 
10 echelon. 

1510
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:43,300
You'd have to really contribute 
either with Big Ten title or a 

1511
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:47,400
really deep NCAA tournament run 
above all expectations, where 

1512
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,500
your play is a primary reason 
why the team is doing what 

1513
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:54,300
they're doing. 
And and so that's where it's 

1514
01:13:54,300 --> 01:13:56,900
going to be. 
That's there's a, you know, I 

1515
01:13:56,900 --> 01:14:00,100
think it's a different era now 
in college basketball, like the 

1516
01:14:00,100 --> 01:14:02,700
idea that anybody would even get
into the top five in scoring. 

1517
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:06,500
I think we thought those days 
were completely gone because you

1518
01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:10,200
know, the last, you know, He 
staying for four years and 

1519
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,000
scoring as many points, as he 
did, was kind of a unicorn 

1520
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,700
moment because 10 years later. 
He's probably not in school for 

1521
01:14:16,700 --> 01:14:20,800
all four years. 
So, that's where I think Tres 

1522
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,400
Jackson Davis is Legacy. 
As a top 10 player is going to 

1523
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,800
largely. 
Hinge on what this team is able 

1524
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,100
to accomplish. 
Can they bring home a trophy, 

1525
01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:31,300
you know, can they can they get 
they make a Deep Run in the NCAA

1526
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:34,000
tournament even with all those 
statistical accomplishments. 

1527
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,500
I just don't think that he's 
going to be considered that 

1528
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:40,800
great of a player in the echelon
of IU basketball until that 

1529
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,300
happens. 
Or unless that happens. 

1530
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:44,600
I agree with that. 
I guess the point I was looking 

1531
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,100
at is like I hadn't fully 
thought of the statistics being 

1532
01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:50,300
there. 
Like if let's just say Indiana 

1533
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:52,900
beats. 
Maryland in 02 like Jeffries is 

1534
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:56,000
now bolted in that list because 
he has a title but he's kind of 

1535
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,500
at the he's the last guy in the 
club because he doesn't have 

1536
01:14:58,500 --> 01:15:01,600
really the statistics is the 
only there for two years. 

1537
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,600
It was kind of like, oh, that 
came out of nowhere, but well, 

1538
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,900
I, you know, and I honestly I 
honestly I can't. 

1539
01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:11,700
I think Geoffrey's almost gets a
little overrated, not because he

1540
01:15:11,700 --> 01:15:15,500
wasn't a good player, but I 
think people have a people have 

1541
01:15:15,500 --> 01:15:18,000
a misconception about how good 
of an offensive player. 

1542
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,400
It was go back and look at the 
stats. 

1543
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,800
Like he barely scored over a 
point per possession that second

1544
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,000
year. 
Not to, I'm not trying to 

1545
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,800
denigrate Jared Jeffries, but 
the kind of proves my point, 

1546
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,100
which is that we remember Jared 
Jeffries. 

1547
01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:32,500
So finally because that team had
an unexpected deep tournament 

1548
01:15:32,500 --> 01:15:34,800
run. 
And also want to share of a Big 

1549
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,800
Ten title in the same year and 
he was the best. 

1550
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,900
Player on that team. 
I think that's ultimately and I 

1551
01:15:40,900 --> 01:15:43,600
understand where your point. 
I'm just saying that is such a 

1552
01:15:43,608 --> 01:15:46,500
huge part of the perceptional 
element of what we consider a 

1553
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:49,800
top 10 player. 
And again, I'm just I'm walking 

1554
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,000
on ice here. 
So don't want to get 

1555
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,700
expectations up. 
I'm not saying we're going to 

1556
01:15:52,708 --> 01:15:56,200
win a title or we sure like, I, 
but all I'm saying is like if 

1557
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,800
this team does win a title and 
again not saying they should 

1558
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,400
have not even staying at the 
expectations. 

1559
01:16:00,700 --> 01:16:03,500
But if they get to a final four,
they win a title with the 

1560
01:16:03,500 --> 01:16:07,700
statistics and the longevity. 
It's like Jackson Davis. 

1561
01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:10,300
Now, The case, like he's now in 
that club and now he's looking 

1562
01:16:10,300 --> 01:16:14,300
at some of those guys and like I
got I got more points than a lot

1563
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:15,000
of you. 
I got money. 

1564
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:19,600
It's it's like, if Cheney had 
won a title in an odd way and so

1565
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,300
I just I look at it and it's 
like he, but I agree. 

1566
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:25,700
And that was the point is, like 
that's what his at is at his 

1567
01:16:25,700 --> 01:16:27,900
feet this year. 
But you've got to do something. 

1568
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:30,000
You can't have the kind of 
season Purdue hat. 

1569
01:16:30,100 --> 01:16:31,900
If predict, if we, if we don't 
want a Big Ten title. 

1570
01:16:31,900 --> 01:16:33,200
We don't want the Big Ten 
tournament. 

1571
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,900
We pop out in the sweet 16 that 
could still be a great season, 

1572
01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:40,000
but now it's like he doesn't get
To the top 10, it's just 48 

1573
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,000
historical program. 
Like I you to be coming into 

1574
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,400
this year and saying, hey as a 
player you have a chance to be 

1575
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:50,000
one of the top 10 top eight, 
seven six players at your feet. 

1576
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,400
You got to do a lot of things. 
Like, I mean, winning a Big Ten 

1577
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,800
title, making a follow for 
possibly winning a title. 

1578
01:16:54,900 --> 01:16:57,700
That's, that's a, that's a tough
laundry list. 

1579
01:16:57,700 --> 01:17:03,800
But if you do it, you are now in
that Echelon, where we could now

1580
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,500
be talking about. 
You know, who's the Mount 

1581
01:17:05,500 --> 01:17:09,100
Rushmore, not going to get into 
that now, but it's like, You now

1582
01:17:09,100 --> 01:17:13,100
are at least in that discussion,
which is pretty amazing to say 

1583
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:13,900
that. 
That's at your feet. 

1584
01:17:13,900 --> 01:17:15,500
I'm not saying it would be, 
we're not going to get into that

1585
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:18,200
discussion, but it's like, if 
you're the third leading scorer,

1586
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:21,200
the all-time leading rebounder 
and you have a Big Ten title and

1587
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:25,100
a national championship, you're 
in, pretty effing Elite 

1588
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:27,500
category. 
So it's again, it's just I'm not

1589
01:17:27,500 --> 01:17:29,100
saying those the expectations. 
Yeah. 

1590
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:32,200
It's like there's something 
available here for him and 

1591
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:36,400
saying that you can't say he's a
top 10 player now, it has to be 

1592
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,500
done. 
But if he As a run and does some

1593
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:41,700
things that again even if they 
go to a final four. 

1594
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,100
But like, they take down to 
number one seeds and he has a 

1595
01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:46,900
dunk at the end to win it or 
something or a three-pointer, 

1596
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,100
you know, my highlight, you 
know, then it's like that also 

1597
01:17:50,100 --> 01:17:52,300
helps as well. 
So anyway just it was a thought 

1598
01:17:52,300 --> 01:17:54,800
when I went into it that kind of
changed my mind and will end 

1599
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,500
their kind of work. 
That's interesting. 

1600
01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:57,300
Yeah. 
No, absolutely. 

1601
01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:00,000
So we'll see. 
I mean, I do think that for that

1602
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,100
to happen, Trace Jackson, Davis 
is going to have to have almost 

1603
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:07,400
a Nova Depot like transformation
of his game. 

1604
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,800
From last year to this year, the
way that Oladipo had it from 

1605
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,600
like sophomore year to junior 
year, which I don't know if he's

1606
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,700
got it in him just from like a 
physicality standpoint, but 

1607
01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:22,900
we'll see. 
And I think ultimately, if he 

1608
01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:26,200
comes back and does that, that's
great for him and obviously 

1609
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,600
great for Indiana as well. 
And that's one of the 

1610
01:18:29,608 --> 01:18:32,100
fascinating subplots of the 
offseason to see exactly how all

1611
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:34,100
that plays out. 
Anyway, we promised some 

1612
01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:36,200
football content. 
We're going to give you that now

1613
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:40,100
as we are Passing the 80 minute,
mark on the podcast here in a 

1614
01:18:40,108 --> 01:18:42,300
minute, but we're here for you 
folks. 

1615
01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:45,500
We haven't had a chance to talk.
Patrick asks, are you excited 

1616
01:18:45,500 --> 01:18:47,900
for football? 
I still feel really burned, not 

1617
01:18:47,900 --> 01:18:51,300
excited. 
Even a little bit, a couple of 

1618
01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:53,200
other comments on the football 
front. 

1619
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,700
I you football. 
Hike man. 

1620
01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:59,900
Asks, what will Walt Bells 
offense, look like, who's going 

1621
01:18:59,900 --> 01:19:01,500
to step up in the wide receiver 
room. 

1622
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:05,200
Well, are often have lined, take
a step forward win, total 4.5, 

1623
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,100
over-under thoughts on new 
coordinators. 

1624
01:19:07,100 --> 01:19:08,800
Will you be at the Oi game. 
Yes. 

1625
01:19:08,900 --> 01:19:11,400
What's a successful season? 
Look like is Darrin Hill, are on

1626
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,300
the hot seat. 
Lots of interesting questions, 

1627
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,800
Scott. 
I'll start on this. 

1628
01:19:15,900 --> 01:19:20,700
I think I'm not I'm I'm very 
concerned about football, and I 

1629
01:19:20,708 --> 01:19:24,000
hate saying that I really I hate
saying it. 

1630
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,300
I hate saying it because I you 
know me, I have a soft spot for 

1631
01:19:28,300 --> 01:19:30,100
football. 
I want football to do. 

1632
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:34,200
Well, there was nobody more 
excited about the promise of 

1633
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:38,900
last year than I was going into 
the season and Such a 

1634
01:19:38,900 --> 01:19:43,400
soul-crushing exercise from 
start to finish that, you know, 

1635
01:19:43,500 --> 01:19:47,200
even by itself. 
Even if I, you had a lot of 

1636
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:51,500
returning Talent it stability at
the coaching positions, a clear 

1637
01:19:51,500 --> 01:19:54,000
plan about what they were doing.
Moving forward. 

1638
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:57,900
I would still be trepidatious 
about this season and my own 

1639
01:19:57,900 --> 01:20:02,700
emotions. 
The fact that IU has had just a 

1640
01:20:02,900 --> 01:20:06,100
ton of roster. 
Turnover has had coaching 

1641
01:20:06,100 --> 01:20:10,600
turnover has a very difficult 
schedule again that they're 

1642
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,500
going to be facing really has a 
lot of the panic buttons being 

1643
01:20:14,500 --> 01:20:18,300
pressed in my brain. 
And I'm not exactly sure what 

1644
01:20:18,300 --> 01:20:21,500
the you know, like how to solve 
that at this point. 

1645
01:20:21,500 --> 01:20:24,300
I think, you know from an 
optimism standpoint. 

1646
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:28,000
You can look at last year and 
say that was a year where 

1647
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,100
absolutely everything went wrong
from start to finish the chances

1648
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:35,900
of everything going wrong to 
that degree again are low, or 

1649
01:20:35,900 --> 01:20:39,600
you can look at last year and 
say The previous year that got 

1650
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,400
everybody excited about last 
year, was everything going 

1651
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,200
right? 
And there was no chance that 

1652
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:45,900
everything was going to go that,
right? 

1653
01:20:45,900 --> 01:20:50,400
And the team was just not in a 
good spot mentally emotionally 

1654
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,700
to deal with adversity when it 
hit and that is what led to last

1655
01:20:54,700 --> 01:20:56,700
season. 
I think that scenario is 

1656
01:20:56,700 --> 01:20:59,900
probably more likely than the 
first scenario where it's just 

1657
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:02,400
well, it couldn't have gotten 
any worse, but it's hard to look

1658
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,100
at this IU football team right 
now. 

1659
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,800
And have anything other than 
faith that it will get better. 

1660
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:11,800
Because when you look at the 
roster, you look at the 

1661
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,500
production, you look at, who's 
coming back? 

1662
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:16,900
You look at who left. 
There's not a lot there to hold 

1663
01:21:16,900 --> 01:21:18,700
onto. 
I mean, you've got an unsettled 

1664
01:21:18,700 --> 01:21:22,400
quarterback position, which is 
always a problem in IU, football

1665
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,400
history. 
There are very few seasons where

1666
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,200
I use been good, where they went
into the season and you weren't 

1667
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:28,900
like, wow. 
I'm glad I'm excited to watch 

1668
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:30,100
this guy. 
Play quarterback. 

1669
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,700
They have an unsettled offensive
line. 

1670
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:35,000
They've, you know, their 
defense. 

1671
01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:41,500
Clearly is not up to the task 
yet, in terms of overall Talent.

1672
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:43,700
It's gotten a little bit better.
But it's also one of those 

1673
01:21:43,700 --> 01:21:46,600
things where you look at who 
they're going to line up and 

1674
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,900
it's hard to see that team being
able to stop some of the 

1675
01:21:49,900 --> 01:21:52,600
offenses that they're going to 
face playing in the Big Ten. 

1676
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:57,800
And you know, it's just it's 
it's kind of almost a depressing

1677
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,700
because I don't think the 
depression normally sets in with

1678
01:22:00,700 --> 01:22:04,300
IU football until they actually 
start losing the games, but man,

1679
01:22:04,300 --> 01:22:07,000
I see a scenario here. 
Here, where this team isn't a 

1680
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,700
whole lot better than last year.
And you know, where as there was

1681
01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:12,800
so much promise in terms of like
the recruiting. 

1682
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,100
And the way that everything was 
going in till that really starts

1683
01:22:16,100 --> 01:22:21,600
to manifest itself in on-field 
play, this feels a lot like the 

1684
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,400
seasons that we tried to talk 
ourselves into five or six wins 

1685
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:29,800
being a possibility where it's 
just not going to be that way. 

1686
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:32,800
I just feel it a lot earlier. 
Now, I guess than I did 

1687
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,100
previously because of how poorly
last year, ended up. 

1688
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:39,200
What are your A lot of people 
didn't notice this. 

1689
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,100
When Trace Jackson Davis 
announced, he's coming back. 

1690
01:22:42,300 --> 01:22:44,800
He's also coming back as a tight
end, so he'll be playing tight 

1691
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,400
end for football. 
In the fall Woodson's going to 

1692
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,200
be coaching football as well. 
So I feel like we're in good 

1693
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:54,900
hands. 
No, I'm very, I'm very much like

1694
01:22:54,900 --> 01:23:00,500
you, you know, it's funny the, 
you know, last year or two years

1695
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:03,500
ago, you know, we had one 
coordinator change. 

1696
01:23:03,700 --> 01:23:05,100
We have the new offensive 
coordinator. 

1697
01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:06,200
It's like, all right. 
This is you. 

1698
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:07,600
This is something you need to be
worried. 

1699
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,500
If you know, a lot of other 
pieces were there but like a new

1700
01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:11,900
coordinator, you're going to 
have knew. 

1701
01:23:11,900 --> 01:23:13,100
There were two, two 
coordinators. 

1702
01:23:13,100 --> 01:23:15,600
Fix our no, no, no. 
No, I'm no, I'm getting to know 

1703
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,300
like a couple years ago. 
We just had one coordinator. 

1704
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:20,700
Like, that was something you and
I focused on is like that's 

1705
01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:24,400
going to be a real disruption 
and that it has to be taken into

1706
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,100
consideration. 
So, as your point this year, we 

1707
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:30,600
get two new coordinators of and 
you know, it going off of 

1708
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,000
everything that punt John punt 
has about our offensive line and

1709
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,400
their coordinator, like maybe 
the Coordinator we had his back.

1710
01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:39,400
So I'm not sure that's that's 
awesome. 

1711
01:23:39,900 --> 01:23:41,700
You know, I'm looking at some of
the stats. 

1712
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,500
You mentioned you a quarterback 
and flux. 

1713
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:46,700
We're only through nine 
touchdowns last year. 

1714
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,700
We lost four of them in panic. 
So we're bringing back, you 

1715
01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:56,100
know, five touchdowns Throne. 
So quarterback is at flux, but 

1716
01:23:56,100 --> 01:23:59,100
hey, good news. 
So is receiver because the only 

1717
01:23:59,100 --> 01:24:00,900
guy who caught multiple 
touchdowns last year was 

1718
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:02,700
Hendershot. 
Well, he's gone fry fogle's 

1719
01:24:02,700 --> 01:24:04,800
gone. 
So we're only bringing back for 

1720
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,100
touched out for Receiving 
touchdowns all of them. 

1721
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:11,800
Single case single touchdown 
carriers, but hey not to be 

1722
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,800
outdone. 
We only scored 13 rushing, 

1723
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,300
touchdowns Nazi or six of. 
Those are Stephen car. 

1724
01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:20,900
They're gone. 
We had no running back with 

1725
01:24:20,900 --> 01:24:23,300
multiple touchdowns last year. 
The only returning guy with the 

1726
01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:26,500
multiple touchdowns was Donovan,
McCulley, who's our quarterback.

1727
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:29,300
Who can't throw this trip 
throwing that out there. 

1728
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,600
He had two rushing touchdowns. 
Everybody else had one rushing 

1729
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,900
touchdown. 
So you have New coordinators on 

1730
01:24:36,900 --> 01:24:41,500
both sides of the ball, a 
ineffective putting it nicely 

1731
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:46,100
offensive, offensive line 
coordinator, who's back, you 

1732
01:24:46,300 --> 01:24:47,900
have a question mark at 
quarterback. 

1733
01:24:47,900 --> 01:24:50,800
You really have no receivers of 
no returning. 

1734
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,500
You have no running backs of 
note returning. 

1735
01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:57,700
You have some people on defense 
coming back who all got shredded

1736
01:24:57,700 --> 01:25:01,300
last year when they played, and 
the defense could be great, but 

1737
01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:03,900
it's going to be really tough. 
When you feel like your offense 

1738
01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:05,500
is going to go three and out in 
30. 

1739
01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:09,500
E8 s, and put the defense back 
on the field again. 

1740
01:25:09,500 --> 01:25:11,100
And that could happen. 
I don't know. 

1741
01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:15,200
Four times in a row and you have
a Big Ten, where you're looking 

1742
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,300
at a Michigan team that maybe 
has things. 

1743
01:25:17,300 --> 01:25:19,200
Again. 
This is the reverse of 

1744
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:23,200
basketball, where, you know, 
Ohio state is the Death Star 

1745
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,100
Michigan. 
Feels like they're getting close

1746
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:27,900
to the mini Death Star. 
They have things figured out 

1747
01:25:27,900 --> 01:25:30,700
Michigan State seems to be on a 
rocket ship. 

1748
01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:32,900
To the moon will see what they 
can actually put it together, 

1749
01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:36,900
but they look pretty good. 
The Big 10 East is You like a 

1750
01:25:36,900 --> 01:25:42,100
battle of Goliath's and we are 
just an ant with three legs in 

1751
01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:45,300
casts, just walking around in 
the wrong place. 

1752
01:25:45,300 --> 01:25:48,700
Well, not not, not enough, but I
will say, I'm going to be at the

1753
01:25:48,708 --> 01:25:50,400
Illinois game. 
So I'll answer that question. 

1754
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,400
Well, and I mean, I think it's 
also important to do. 

1755
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:56,800
Rutgers has gotten better as 
Schiano has put the done really 

1756
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,900
well in recruiting, you know, 
Marilyn made a bold, Mike 

1757
01:25:59,900 --> 01:26:01,800
locksley. 
Just got signed to a contract 

1758
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,400
extension. 
You know, we've been seeing all 

1759
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,300
of this news about what they 
might Might do away with 

1760
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:08,000
divisions. 
It's not going to happen until 

1761
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,000
2023. 
I think it will happen. 

1762
01:26:10,900 --> 01:26:13,900
But you know, it's gonna be too 
late for this year regardless of

1763
01:26:13,900 --> 01:26:16,400
what occurs. 
I mean, look you're there are 

1764
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,600
some things that you could look 
at and think about positively 

1765
01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:21,800
with this IU football team. 
And I'm not really don't want to

1766
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:26,400
be - I hate being negative about
IU football, but I do like to be

1767
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:31,100
realistic about IU football and 
realistically, yes, you have an 

1768
01:26:31,100 --> 01:26:33,600
Italian infusion and Tom, 
Allen's talked about how he's 

1769
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,300
excited about the talent and 
fusion. 

1770
01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:37,300
Got some guys that have 
transferred in. 

1771
01:26:37,300 --> 01:26:40,800
You've got a former Alabama 
player coming in as a defensive 

1772
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,100
back. 
You've got some SEC players 

1773
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:47,000
coming in, at wide receiver. 
You've, you know, you do have 

1774
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,000
different blood. 
We don't know if it's better 

1775
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,100
blood, but, you know, perhaps, 
it's more athletic. 

1776
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:56,800
Perhaps. 
It is a roster that will be able

1777
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,500
to compete a little bit better 
physically than last year's team

1778
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,900
was able to. 
And look, I mean, you know, I've

1779
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:08,500
heard behind the scenes that At.
There were some players that are

1780
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:11,900
no longer on the roster that 
perhaps didn't have the right 

1781
01:27:11,900 --> 01:27:14,200
mentality. 
Who knows how true or how false 

1782
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,300
that is. 
But if, if the team is in a 

1783
01:27:16,300 --> 01:27:20,200
better place emotionally, it was
clear last year that they were 

1784
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:21,700
real problems. 
Even if they weren't being 

1785
01:27:21,700 --> 01:27:24,900
talked about where. 
And I mean, I think even Mike 

1786
01:27:24,900 --> 01:27:26,900
McFadden mentioned. 
It obliquely in a press 

1787
01:27:26,900 --> 01:27:29,800
conference toward the end of the
season about guys, not buying in

1788
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,600
you know, that stuff happens. 
I mean, you get it, you get a 

1789
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,100
out of the world successful 
season, you get that weird. 

1790
01:27:36,300 --> 01:27:39,700
Thing that happened with the 
Outback Bowl where I you feel 

1791
01:27:39,700 --> 01:27:43,200
slighted by the conference and 
they start focusing on the wrong

1792
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,300
things. 
You have the The Misfortune, you

1793
01:27:46,300 --> 01:27:50,100
know, Michael penix, not being 
able to fully recuperate and and

1794
01:27:50,100 --> 01:27:52,500
you know, the struggles on 
offense in general and a lot of 

1795
01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:56,200
those things are not going to be
there this year, but I think the

1796
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,500
question about what? 
What's Walt Bells offense going 

1797
01:27:58,500 --> 01:28:01,600
to look like whatever his system
might be. 

1798
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,500
I think the reality is there's a
whole bunch of question marks on

1799
01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:07,500
offense. 
In terms of, we don't know who's

1800
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:08,900
going to throw the ball is going
to be Connor. 

1801
01:28:08,900 --> 01:28:10,200
Baza. 
Like the transfer from 

1802
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:13,900
Minnesota, Minnesota from 
Missouri, or is it going to be 

1803
01:28:13,900 --> 01:28:15,500
Jack Tuttle? 
Or is it going to be done at the

1804
01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:17,000
McCully was going to be somebody
else? 

1805
01:28:17,700 --> 01:28:19,100
You know, we don't know who's 
going to run the ball. 

1806
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:22,100
Got a couple people in my life 
who are just, you know, random 

1807
01:28:22,100 --> 01:28:25,400
variate like a couple of friends
and their wives and we're 

1808
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:26,900
talking about you football. 
One of the wisest. 

1809
01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:28,300
Like who's your quarterback? 
Nick here? 

1810
01:28:28,300 --> 01:28:30,300
Is that good-looking kid? 
Yes, like that. 

1811
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:31,600
Good-looking kid. 
Like the good-looking. 

1812
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,000
Not the guy who's not very good,
but good. 

1813
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:34,600
Look at my God Tuttle. 
Yeah. 

1814
01:28:34,700 --> 01:28:38,300
Well, hey, you know the thing. 
Is it it's why it's hard to 

1815
01:28:38,300 --> 01:28:40,300
predict what the offense is 
going to look like because an 

1816
01:28:40,300 --> 01:28:42,600
offense with Connor Basile. 
A condor Center going to look 

1817
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,200
different than an offense with 
Jack Tuttle. 

1818
01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:49,100
I think as locks going to be the
starter, you know, and I mean I 

1819
01:28:49,108 --> 01:28:50,700
could be wrong. 
I hope Jack Tuttle has a really 

1820
01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:53,300
great offseason and puts it 
together because he's been in 

1821
01:28:53,300 --> 01:28:55,100
the on the roster for multiple 
years. 

1822
01:28:55,100 --> 01:29:02,500
He knows how things should work,
but it's another wild card and 

1823
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,500
it goes to what we were so 
excited about the you know, Last

1824
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:08,000
year. 
And what we get excited about in

1825
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,000
football is when it's, like art,
we have some continuity. 

1826
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,800
It's like we have, you know, 
quarterback who knows the 

1827
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:13,300
system. 
And he has a running back who 

1828
01:29:13,300 --> 01:29:15,800
was here last year like whenever
we're good or we're excited 

1829
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,800
about things. 
It's because some of those 

1830
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,400
continuity things are here. 
So it is tough to say. 

1831
01:29:20,500 --> 01:29:22,700
We're going to be good where 
it's like if we're good. 

1832
01:29:22,700 --> 01:29:25,500
It's going to be flying in the 
face of got any kind of 

1833
01:29:25,500 --> 01:29:28,200
conventional wisdom and football
where it's like, hey, it's a new

1834
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,500
coordinator and the new 
quarterback, and the new running

1835
01:29:30,500 --> 01:29:33,500
back and the new wide receiver. 
Like, normally, when we're 

1836
01:29:33,500 --> 01:29:36,700
excited is because at least some
of those pieces are Student. 

1837
01:29:36,700 --> 01:29:38,800
And they were there last year 
where it's like they can build 

1838
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,600
on pieces and successes from the
year before. 

1839
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:47,200
This would be very out of the 
realm of neiu, historically, 

1840
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:51,300
good season, where it's like 
every single piece on offense is

1841
01:29:51,300 --> 01:29:53,900
new and untested going into the 
season. 

1842
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:58,500
Yeah, I mean and that just is 
not a recipe for success and 

1843
01:29:58,500 --> 01:30:01,500
it's not It's not how we're not 
hating. 

1844
01:30:01,900 --> 01:30:06,100
We're not, you know, we're not 
not believing but, you know, 

1845
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:08,600
when you go to and 10 in a you 
love you, I still love you 

1846
01:30:08,608 --> 01:30:09,500
Kayla. 
Nice to each other. 

1847
01:30:09,500 --> 01:30:11,600
I love. 
Yes, but you, when you go to and

1848
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,800
10 in a year when you started 
the season ranked in the top 20,

1849
01:30:16,100 --> 01:30:20,200
and you don't have any 
outstanding pieces on offense, 

1850
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,000
that played the whole season 
returning. 

1851
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,700
Yes. 
DJ Matthews is going to be back,

1852
01:30:23,700 --> 01:30:28,600
which I'm excited about, you 
know, but you really don't have 

1853
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:32,100
much coming back. 
That, that you can point to and 

1854
01:30:32,100 --> 01:30:35,900
say we're going to rely on that 
and you're playing in the Big 10

1855
01:30:35,900 --> 01:30:38,800
East. 
And you have to go to. 

1856
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,600
Cincinnati is one of your non 
conference games. 

1857
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,600
It just there's, I don't know 
where you draw optimism from 

1858
01:30:45,700 --> 01:30:49,200
other than just hope. 
And as we know, Scott from 

1859
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:50,800
watching IU football for 
decades. 

1860
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:56,000
Hope is absolutely not a plan. 
And so it's hard to make a whole

1861
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,500
lot of projections or 
predictions about IU football, 

1862
01:30:58,700 --> 01:31:02,700
other than You know, maybe 
reflexively I'm going to assume 

1863
01:31:02,700 --> 01:31:06,000
the worst because I don't want 
to get hurt again to the degree 

1864
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:09,900
that I did, you know, you, when 
you look at the schedule, 

1865
01:31:09,900 --> 01:31:13,100
realistically, and when will go 
through all of this in August, 

1866
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:14,900
we're not going to Deep dive it 
now, but when you look at the 

1867
01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:17,800
schedule, realistically, it's 
hard to look at that schedule 

1868
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:21,700
and say anything other than the 
absolute maximum, that this team

1869
01:31:21,700 --> 01:31:23,200
could do would be to win seven 
games. 

1870
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:28,400
That's the absolute maximum. 
The minimum could be like one 

1871
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,200
game like, you know, like there.
There's a scenario where this 

1872
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:36,600
team is. 
So unconnected to itself and is 

1873
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,600
struggling to transition to a 
new style of offense 

1874
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,600
transitioning to another 
defensive coordinator, that they

1875
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,200
only when the Idaho game. 
Now, I don't think they're going

1876
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:47,800
to be that bad. 
But I also don't think they're 

1877
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,900
going to win seven games. 
And so you're looking at like a 

1878
01:31:49,900 --> 01:31:53,000
22-6 wind spread and that's a 
tough thing to get your head 

1879
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:58,300
wrapped around, you know, the 
all of the things that I you 

1880
01:31:58,300 --> 01:32:01,400
didn't do last year. 
Year, the idea that they're 

1881
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,500
going to suddenly do them this 
year. 

1882
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,900
I don't know where that comes 
from. 

1883
01:32:05,900 --> 01:32:08,900
And I don't know where you get 
excited about the possibilities 

1884
01:32:08,900 --> 01:32:10,900
for IU. 
Other than what we saw, what 

1885
01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:14,100
happened in 19 and 20, and it's 
going to be able to get back 

1886
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:16,300
there. 
But I guess my caution there is 

1887
01:32:16,300 --> 01:32:21,800
that 19 and 20 were preceded by 
the previous years, where, you 

1888
01:32:21,808 --> 01:32:25,800
know, they had to Bowl seasons 
under Kevin Wilson and 25 win 

1889
01:32:25,800 --> 01:32:29,700
Seasons under Tom Allen and they
built a foundation of swords. 

1890
01:32:29,900 --> 01:32:33,900
And it feels like again, that 
Foundation is gone and they're 

1891
01:32:33,900 --> 01:32:36,700
almost starting from scratch and
trying to piece together a 

1892
01:32:36,700 --> 01:32:38,100
roster that can play. 
Now. 

1893
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:40,800
We've seen it happen. 
It happened at Michigan State. 

1894
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:43,200
You know, Mel Tucker was able to
go out, bring a bunch of 

1895
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:47,800
transfers in and get that team 
that program up and running to 

1896
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:50,300
the point where they overachieve
in 20. 

1897
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,500
And then they really over 
achieve in 21. 

1898
01:32:54,900 --> 01:32:57,100
That's or excuse me. 
They just don't they 

1899
01:32:57,100 --> 01:32:59,500
underachieved in 20 then they 
overreach even 21. 

1900
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:04,100
Maybe that's the route but we've
yet to see that happen here and 

1901
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:07,400
it's hard to, you know, you look
at what like Michigan State 

1902
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:09,700
largely was able to do that. 
Because they happen to grab a 

1903
01:33:09,708 --> 01:33:11,900
running back, who came in and 
just gave them a ridiculous 

1904
01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:13,900
amount of yards. 
Not a guy, you would have 

1905
01:33:13,900 --> 01:33:16,700
predicted being able to do that.
I don't know if that's really a 

1906
01:33:16,708 --> 01:33:19,700
reasonable expectation for this 
IU football program at this 

1907
01:33:19,700 --> 01:33:23,200
point. 
So yeah, I mean, it's a tricky 

1908
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,800
one because you know, I hope 
they're good. 

1909
01:33:26,900 --> 01:33:28,600
I hope that they play well 
together. 

1910
01:33:28,700 --> 01:33:31,500
I hope that won't bail. 
Then and and does all of the 

1911
01:33:31,500 --> 01:33:33,800
things as an offensive 
coordinator that Nick Sheridan 

1912
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:39,500
clearly struggled to do but it's
really hard to just assume that 

1913
01:33:39,500 --> 01:33:42,100
that's going to happen. 
I'd rather be pessimistic to 

1914
01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:46,400
start with and then be talked 
into it by the play on the field

1915
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:47,800
rather than going the other 
direction. 

1916
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,600
So I really like that, Illinois 
game on the Friday before Labor 

1917
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:52,600
Day. 
I have no clue what to expect. 

1918
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:57,000
I just know that Bret Bielema is
coaching, Illinois and Bret 

1919
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,200
Bielema has got a pretty good 
record historically against, 

1920
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:00,000
Indiana. 
Anna. 

1921
01:34:00,100 --> 01:34:02,200
And that was a team that looked 
like it actually got a little 

1922
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:06,200
bit better as that season went 
along last year, rather than 

1923
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,000
what Indiana did which was, you 
know, continue to sink into the 

1924
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,500
mire. 
Over the course of the latter 

1925
01:34:11,500 --> 01:34:15,100
half of the Season, you know, 
Illinois last year ends up. 

1926
01:34:15,300 --> 01:34:17,300
What were they? 
Five and seven but they won 

1927
01:34:17,500 --> 01:34:20,200
three out of their last five. 
They want at Penn State. 

1928
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:23,400
They won at Minnesota. 
They blew out Northwestern to 

1929
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:25,900
finish the season. 
Like that looks like a team that

1930
01:34:25,900 --> 01:34:28,500
after struggling, early really 
got their trajectory going in 

1931
01:34:28,508 --> 01:34:32,500
the right direction. 
Concerns me because I don't see 

1932
01:34:32,500 --> 01:34:34,700
that kind of energy. 
Like there was nothing out of 

1933
01:34:34,700 --> 01:34:36,200
the last part of Indiana 
schedule. 

1934
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,100
Last year that made you think 
wow. 

1935
01:34:38,100 --> 01:34:40,200
This team's going to, they had a
struggle, but they're going to 

1936
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,300
put it together and be good to 
start the next season. 

1937
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,200
Well, and just a big picture 
thought here. 

1938
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:48,100
I don't want to be negative but 
it's just, it is the reality. 

1939
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:53,200
You know, I will say, I don't 
look at the, you know, the 

1940
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,300
Outback Bowl season as the 
aberration because it was built 

1941
01:34:56,300 --> 01:34:58,200
on multiple bowl games going 
into that. 

1942
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:01,400
It was built on progression. 
So, So Tom Allen was building 

1943
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,000
something. 
The trouble is last year was 

1944
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,400
like the Mulligan of all 
Mulligan's like that is, 

1945
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:11,100
hopefully that's the aberration.
But again, there's so much flux 

1946
01:35:11,100 --> 01:35:13,000
with this team and so many new 
pieces. 

1947
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,900
And so many question marks and 
last year went. 

1948
01:35:16,900 --> 01:35:20,800
So horrific lie, bad, that you 
have to be concerned that the 

1949
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:25,300
bigger frightening part is the 
way things are structured, is 

1950
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:31,000
this has to be figured out like,
I know you Right, it could be 

1951
01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:35,400
two wins, 27 wins Gap, but 
you're in a spot where you kind 

1952
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,100
of, you got to get five or six 
wins, which I don't know how 

1953
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:40,300
you're going to get there. 
It's asking a lot but if they 

1954
01:35:40,300 --> 01:35:42,800
come in and do another two or 
three win season, don't want a 

1955
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:46,300
Big Ten game, people are going 
to look up and I've joked, I've 

1956
01:35:46,300 --> 01:35:50,900
spent more time as an IU fan, 
the last ten years, looking at 

1957
01:35:50,900 --> 01:35:54,800
my coaches contract, buyouts 
than being excited for Seasons, 

1958
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:58,500
which really bothers me, but I 
want to give everybody a notice 

1959
01:35:58,500 --> 01:36:02,600
that right now, Tom His contract
is 100% guaranteed until 

1960
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:07,300
November 30th 2024. 
So that's this coming season the

1961
01:36:07,300 --> 01:36:10,900
season after, and the season 
after that. 

1962
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:16,700
So if he has another dud this 
year fans are going to be pissed

1963
01:36:16,700 --> 01:36:18,700
and it's going to be hard to 
look around and be like, well, 

1964
01:36:18,700 --> 01:36:21,200
who else can you fire? 
Because you've changed defensive

1965
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,300
coordinators, you change offense
of coordinators twice. 

1966
01:36:24,300 --> 01:36:28,000
You have all new players, but 
guess what? 

1967
01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:31,100
Are you fans it? 
Be Tom, a lit. 

1968
01:36:31,100 --> 01:36:33,900
You're not going to change table
Allen, or at least two more 

1969
01:36:33,900 --> 01:36:36,800
years because I you football, 
doesn't have the capital, just 

1970
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,200
buy him out on those 
contractors. 

1971
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:42,500
They may not even have the 
capital to buy him out in 2024. 

1972
01:36:42,500 --> 01:36:44,600
What is it? 
Still goes to a 50% by. 

1973
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,700
I mean, it is a, it's a big 
contract, like, we're playing in

1974
01:36:47,700 --> 01:36:50,300
the big leagues. 
This is where you can't mess 

1975
01:36:50,300 --> 01:36:53,900
things up and you gave the big 
boy big time contract. 

1976
01:36:54,300 --> 01:36:57,800
Now, it's like the back is 
against the wall were like you 

1977
01:36:57,800 --> 01:36:59,600
have to produce if you come to 
have another two. 

1978
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:02,100
Intense season. 
Don't want a Big Ten game. 

1979
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,700
That's a real problem because 
he's going to be the coach for 

1980
01:37:06,700 --> 01:37:09,100
the next three years. 
Yeah, no matter what the results

1981
01:37:09,100 --> 01:37:10,800
are. 
He will be the coach, but it's 

1982
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,000
like there will be. 
No, where else to look fans are 

1983
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:17,600
going to be pissed. 
You're everything that you built

1984
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,700
was to way last season, like 
that is just the fact, I, you 

1985
01:37:20,700 --> 01:37:22,900
football doesn't have the 
foundation where people are 

1986
01:37:22,907 --> 01:37:25,300
like, oh, I remember those great
teams of the Kevin Wilson. 

1987
01:37:25,300 --> 01:37:28,300
Like no, there's no Foundation. 
It's built on Sand, it all 

1988
01:37:28,300 --> 01:37:29,600
washed away. 
Now. 

1989
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:32,400
This team's job is to build it 
back and like that sucks. 

1990
01:37:32,500 --> 01:37:34,300
It's a lot of work. 
Guess what? 

1991
01:37:34,300 --> 01:37:36,000
Your eye, you football. 
One of the worst teams in 

1992
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,600
college football like you you 
have to build this up slowly. 

1993
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:43,100
You were doing it. 
You have to make last year, the 

1994
01:37:43,100 --> 01:37:48,100
aberration, you just have to. 
And I'd look I think to some 

1995
01:37:48,100 --> 01:37:50,600
degree. 
You can still give Tom Allen 

1996
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,600
some of the benefit of the doubt
because it was one Bad season 

1997
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,700
and you know the rest of his 
career at IU. 

1998
01:37:56,700 --> 01:37:59,600
He's you know, he won five 
games. 

1999
01:37:59,700 --> 01:38:02,400
In his first two years. 
He won eight games a second 

2000
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:04,900
year. 
Obviously, they had the great 

2001
01:38:04,900 --> 01:38:07,700
season, you know, the covid 
season, where they won, six in 

2002
01:38:07,708 --> 01:38:11,000
the regular season in his fourth
year and then you get the to win

2003
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:14,200
season in his fifth year. 
I guess what concerns me is 

2004
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:19,100
you've done a complete blow up 
of a lot of the coaching staff 

2005
01:38:19,100 --> 01:38:24,100
except for, you know, the coach 
that's, you know, got the, the 

2006
01:38:24,100 --> 01:38:27,500
position that has struggled the 
most which is obviously 

2007
01:38:27,500 --> 01:38:29,600
offensive line, as you mentioned
earlier on. 

2008
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:35,400
And you know, when you think 
about what IU is trying to do in

2009
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,400
terms of the way, they're 
marketing themselves and the, 

2010
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:39,100
the coaches that they've brought
in. 

2011
01:38:39,100 --> 01:38:42,000
It's like, hey, Gumby coached by
people that coached in the NFL. 

2012
01:38:42,500 --> 01:38:44,300
You know, that's been that's 
been the mode here. 

2013
01:38:44,300 --> 01:38:46,400
Is they bring in a couple of 
assistants who have been at that

2014
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:50,900
level and yet, I don't know how 
good of a recruiting pitch that 

2015
01:38:50,900 --> 01:38:53,500
is because, you know, if I'm 
recruiting against that, I'm 

2016
01:38:53,500 --> 01:38:54,900
like, well, those guys were so 
good. 

2017
01:38:54,900 --> 01:38:56,700
Why aren't they still coaching 
in the NFL? 

2018
01:38:56,900 --> 01:38:59,600
Like why are they coaching at 
the college level at this point?

2019
01:38:59,700 --> 01:39:03,200
Point and are you going to be 
able to attract the high-end 

2020
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:06,700
Talent who's got an F? 
Like legitimate NFL aspirations 

2021
01:39:06,700 --> 01:39:08,800
and is actually good enough to 
fill fill those. 

2022
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,300
They're going to say I'm going 
to go to IU because that's where

2023
01:39:11,300 --> 01:39:14,200
I'm going to get the development
and the exposure that I need. 

2024
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:16,700
Not at that level. 
I got the recruiting pitch is 

2025
01:39:16,700 --> 01:39:18,700
hard because I think that this 
is why it's hard. 

2026
01:39:18,700 --> 01:39:21,300
This is why you got to earn that
money because like you're right 

2027
01:39:21,300 --> 01:39:23,200
you can have all the right 
recruiting pitches and it's like

2028
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:25,700
a kid could be like, oh I got a 
postcard from Ohio State. 

2029
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:26,700
Peace out. 
Yeah. 

2030
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,000
It's like I'm going to be the 
third player to Ohio State. 

2031
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:30,100
It's cut. 
Tough. 

2032
01:39:30,100 --> 01:39:33,100
Because, you know, the contract 
that Alan has is incredibly 

2033
01:39:33,100 --> 01:39:36,000
coach friendly, as you 
mentioned, like, it's your, it's

2034
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,200
his job. 
Like, I think anybody that's got

2035
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:41,600
this notion, that you're gonna 
have a coaching change. 

2036
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:43,500
If there's another Bad season, 
it's not gonna happen. 

2037
01:39:43,900 --> 01:39:47,800
So, you are essentially. 
If you're I, you, you're tied to

2038
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,300
Tom Allen, we call Pot 
committed. 

2039
01:39:50,300 --> 01:39:52,800
Yeah. 
No, I mean, you're all in on Tom

2040
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,400
Allen and that was the case when
the contract was signed and at 

2041
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,700
the time it was like, well, okay
great. 

2042
01:39:57,700 --> 01:40:00,600
This means he's going to be here
and if he gets, Poached I use 

2043
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:02,800
going to have a lot of money 
from the buyout. 

2044
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,200
Well, I don't think anybody's 
poaching Tom Allen at this 

2045
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:10,600
point, you know, but it does it 
creates an interesting question,

2046
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:15,600
which is, is Alan going to be 
capable of putting the pieces 

2047
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:18,300
back together. 
Because as we've mentioned, when

2048
01:40:18,300 --> 01:40:23,700
you essentially just sweep the 
table of your offensive and 

2049
01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:27,700
defensive coaching leadership 
and start from scratch and 

2050
01:40:27,700 --> 01:40:31,300
you're essentially recruiting on
Fly and you've already had like,

2051
01:40:31,300 --> 01:40:33,900
you know, a lot of the hell of a
loo about I use. 

2052
01:40:33,900 --> 01:40:36,200
Recruiting was the McCulloch 
Kids coming. 

2053
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,300
Well, they're not coming. 
Now, you know, we just had 

2054
01:40:38,300 --> 01:40:41,100
another one D commit, which is 
not a surprise. 

2055
01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:44,800
It's not a bad thing, it people 
shouldn't be critical of of them

2056
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:46,800
for that because they want to go
play with their dad. 

2057
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,800
I would do the same thing. 
But you know, you don't have 

2058
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,300
that benefit at this point that 
you can rely on. 

2059
01:40:52,300 --> 01:40:55,400
You don't have a Dell in 
McCulloch on the coaching staff,

2060
01:40:55,700 --> 01:40:58,700
who, you know, can draw those 
types of recruits and 

2061
01:40:58,700 --> 01:41:00,800
necessarily. 
Are others going to be able to, 

2062
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,000
that becomes the big question 
and it becomes a question that 

2063
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:04,700
lasts over the course of several
years. 

2064
01:41:05,100 --> 01:41:11,100
I don't at this point, see a lot
of reason for optimism other 

2065
01:41:11,100 --> 01:41:12,400
than well. 
Tom. 

2066
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,000
Allen was able to figure it out 
before therefore. 

2067
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:16,700
He'll be able to figure it out 
again. 

2068
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:19,800
And that's really I guess where 
we have to leave it at this 

2069
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:22,400
point because we don't know 
who's going to start. 

2070
01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:24,700
We don't know who the the 
players are going to be. 

2071
01:41:24,700 --> 01:41:26,500
That are the most reliable 
aspects. 

2072
01:41:26,500 --> 01:41:29,600
We don't even have a whole lot 
in terms of like fall Camp, too.

2073
01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:31,700
Point two. 
We don't know what exactly 

2074
01:41:31,700 --> 01:41:33,500
happened in spring camp 
necessarily. 

2075
01:41:33,500 --> 01:41:36,300
There was no spring game. 
You know, we don't we don't have

2076
01:41:36,300 --> 01:41:39,900
any information all that we have
is the incoming and the 

2077
01:41:39,900 --> 01:41:43,300
outgoing, and the recent results
in the recent results are not 

2078
01:41:43,300 --> 01:41:46,100
good and it's a conference that 
just doesn't work. 

2079
01:41:46,300 --> 01:41:49,200
You know, you're in bad shape if
that's what you're looking at, 

2080
01:41:49,900 --> 01:41:51,800
you know, real quick. 
Just one last thing. 

2081
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:53,200
Yeah. 
I just want to make sure I get 

2082
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:57,000
this point in the point that I 
was making about the contract. 

2083
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,600
Is that a like fans need to 
realize, like, Alan is going. 

2084
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:01,400
Going to be our coach. 
Yes, figure it out. 

2085
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:05,500
But I like, I will go back. 
The contract, was the right one 

2086
01:42:05,500 --> 01:42:08,100
to make at the time. 
And I still say that even what 

2087
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:11,600
we're staring at, in that, the 
point that I was making is like,

2088
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:16,200
this is the wake of high-level 
college football is taken care 

2089
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,100
of, but we talked about Michigan
State and their turnaround. 

2090
01:42:18,500 --> 01:42:19,700
Mel Tucker. 
Just got it. 

2091
01:42:19,700 --> 01:42:21,700
What? 
A 95 million dollar deal out of 

2092
01:42:21,700 --> 01:42:23,000
Michigan State. 
I don't know. 

2093
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,700
The buyout portion of that, 
Alan's contract is very coach 

2094
01:42:26,700 --> 01:42:31,500
friendly, but to me, the bigger,
He is like this is where I you 

2095
01:42:31,500 --> 01:42:34,100
football has starting to dip 
their toe into the big kid 

2096
01:42:34,100 --> 01:42:36,200
water. 
And just like, we were like, it 

2097
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:37,800
was funny. 
You should mention we're doing 

2098
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:39,900
the BCS talk. 
We got left out of the New 

2099
01:42:39,900 --> 01:42:42,400
Year's Day six and you were 
like, yeah, this happens all the

2100
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:43,300
time. 
It's like this is just our 

2101
01:42:43,300 --> 01:42:46,100
first, our first foray into it 
and 20 years. 

2102
01:42:46,100 --> 01:42:47,700
Like all these, this is a dirty 
game. 

2103
01:42:47,700 --> 01:42:50,800
It's like, but this is also like
a lot of schools do this. 

2104
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,700
They give they lock up, coaches.
We had a good coach. 

2105
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,300
We needed to lock him up. 
They did the right thing. 

2106
01:42:56,300 --> 01:42:59,500
The contract was the right move,
the the difference. 

2107
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,800
Here is like now the athletic 
department needs to make sure 

2108
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,000
like they get highly involved 
here. 

2109
01:43:05,100 --> 01:43:07,600
If it's not working, like, you 
got to put the right people in 

2110
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,100
place, the right assistance and 
we don't know whether they did 

2111
01:43:10,100 --> 01:43:12,300
or didn't this all season. 
We will see. 

2112
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:15,700
But it's like, or you got to get
the money and buy him out and 

2113
01:43:15,708 --> 01:43:17,600
get somebody else. 
Like this is high-level 

2114
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,300
football. 
And this is kind of where I you 

2115
01:43:19,300 --> 01:43:22,400
football has straddle where it's
like, hey we want to compete but

2116
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:23,400
we don't want to do all those 
up. 

2117
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:25,500
Like all the things you have to 
do to compete much, we want to 

2118
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:26,500
do. 
It's like what we gave the 

2119
01:43:26,500 --> 01:43:29,500
contract of a top-20 
PowerSchool. 

2120
01:43:30,100 --> 01:43:32,000
Now what comes with that is you 
got to either win? 

2121
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,100
If you don't, you see schools do
this for either, they find the 

2122
01:43:35,100 --> 01:43:37,100
money and they buy them out and 
they do somebody else's. 

2123
01:43:37,100 --> 01:43:39,800
They eat like, 30 Millions. 
I got well, that didn't work, 

2124
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,600
but we're still going to be a 
big-time school, or you hire a 

2125
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:46,200
bunch of high-level assistance 
and you put a infrastructure 

2126
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:49,200
around him or you get the right,
your recruits in whatever means 

2127
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:52,100
necessary. 
And like this is where my fear 

2128
01:43:52,100 --> 01:43:55,100
is like IU Athletics and IU. 
Football is like, they gave the 

2129
01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:58,400
contract like a big boy school, 
but now it's like they're not if

2130
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:00,700
things don't go perfect. 
Are not going to do all those 

2131
01:44:00,700 --> 01:44:04,500
things you have to do, where you
have to have to do that. 

2132
01:44:04,500 --> 01:44:07,600
So that that's I but I want to 
make sure make it clear. 

2133
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,500
I'm not saying the contract was 
the wrong move at the time and 

2134
01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:13,100
even in retrospect. 
It was the right thing, Tom Al 

2135
01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:17,100
owns the right guy and that was 
a it was a point showing that IU

2136
01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:20,600
football is trying to be 
competitive in the Big 10 East. 

2137
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,600
I don't know. 
I think I think the contract 

2138
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,800
numbers were fine in terms of 
total compensation. 

2139
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:29,500
I think the guarantees were a 
bit. 

2140
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:35,300
Yeah, even for this kind of a 
coach because, you know, know if

2141
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:38,600
I play a lot of football manager
and it's like, if someone comes 

2142
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,900
in and offers you a hundred and 
twenty million euro for your 

2143
01:44:40,900 --> 01:44:43,800
Striker selim because you can 
always get a striker that's 

2144
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:45,900
almost as good for less than 120
million. 

2145
01:44:45,900 --> 01:44:47,800
But at that point, you've got 
220 million. 

2146
01:44:48,100 --> 01:44:50,500
And you've got, you know, 
someone that can do the job 

2147
01:44:50,500 --> 01:44:53,800
about as well. 
And look, that contract was 

2148
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:58,000
signed pre and IL ultimately 
what makes football teams? 

2149
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,200
Good is good, too. 
Talent. 

2150
01:45:00,300 --> 01:45:03,600
You can have a Verge coaches 
that have really good talent, a 

2151
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,100
great coach with bad Talent is 
still not going to be a very 

2152
01:45:06,100 --> 01:45:09,000
good coach in college football 
or any football team for that 

2153
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:10,600
matter. 
NFL college whatever. 

2154
01:45:11,100 --> 01:45:14,500
And I think my biggest concern 
with all you football, and this 

2155
01:45:14,500 --> 01:45:16,200
isn't even an athletic 
department concern. 

2156
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:19,500
As much as it is, a culture 
concern with the program is that

2157
01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:21,800
it's not like there's enough 
people that care about football 

2158
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:26,400
in the IU orbit to the degree 
that people at other big 10 

2159
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:29,300
schools. 
Let alone SEC schools, ACC 

2160
01:45:29,300 --> 01:45:31,100
schools. 
Big, 12, schools care. 

2161
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:33,800
You look at the money that's 
being pumped into these ni L 

2162
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:38,200
collectives and all of the money
that is in and around the game. 

2163
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:43,000
I don't see Indiana being able 
to compete with that which, you 

2164
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,800
know, maybe it's on basketball 
different story. 

2165
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:49,100
People care about IU basketball,
people will give money to IU 

2166
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:52,500
basketball from an ni o 
perspective football, you know, 

2167
01:45:52,500 --> 01:45:56,100
it seems sofyan in a way. 
It's like, well, okay, we're 

2168
01:45:56,100 --> 01:45:59,600
give this money for what. 
Exactly now, maybe that maybe Be

2169
01:45:59,608 --> 01:46:01,900
that levels out after a while. 
Maybe you get some really 

2170
01:46:01,900 --> 01:46:03,900
interested donors who come in 
and say I want this to go 

2171
01:46:03,900 --> 01:46:05,800
towards football. 
We want to build that up. 

2172
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,400
I just don't know how you're 
going to compete on that front 

2173
01:46:08,500 --> 01:46:10,600
to get the talent to come in in 
the first place. 

2174
01:46:10,900 --> 01:46:14,400
So maybe this whole conversation
ends up being moot, long-term 

2175
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:17,600
about whether Allen was the 
right higher because if you 

2176
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:21,300
don't have the infrastructure in
place to get him Talent, it 

2177
01:46:21,300 --> 01:46:24,600
really ends up being for not. 
So anyway, that's that's more 

2178
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:26,400
long-term and probably even more
depressing. 

2179
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:29,700
So, That's where we're at. 
That's where I'm at with 

2180
01:46:29,700 --> 01:46:31,300
football right now. 
We had one last question. 

2181
01:46:31,300 --> 01:46:35,900
I wanted to get to before we 
wrapped up this one from WL 

2182
01:46:36,300 --> 01:46:39,300
Knicks offers to name a sandwich
after you. 

2183
01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:41,800
What's the makeup of that 
sandwich? 

2184
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:44,500
Are you gotta go first? 
I gotta go first. 

2185
01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:47,300
I thought about this a little 
bit and I was like, well my 

2186
01:46:47,300 --> 01:46:50,200
limiting myself to what's 
already on Nick's menu or not. 

2187
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:51,800
I'm going to say no. 
Let's say. 

2188
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:55,700
In addition, to offering me the 
sandwich Rags is also saying, 

2189
01:46:55,700 --> 01:46:58,400
hey, we're going to bring some 
new meets in or you like some 

2190
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,100
new Concepts. 
So if you're naming one, the 

2191
01:47:01,100 --> 01:47:05,800
doctor GC, I think my favorite 
and it's relatively simple as a 

2192
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:09,100
sandwich, but my favorite one is
a little on the spicy side, but 

2193
01:47:09,100 --> 01:47:12,500
it's it's a, it's a slice or a 
few slices. 

2194
01:47:12,700 --> 01:47:19,100
If smoked brisket on like a 
brioche, roll with horseradish 

2195
01:47:19,100 --> 01:47:22,100
and mayonnaise as the sauce 
combination. 

2196
01:47:22,700 --> 01:47:24,100
And it's, and that's essentially
it. 

2197
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:25,500
There's not a whole lot else 
there. 

2198
01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:28,100
It's a very straightforward 
sandwich with a lot of 

2199
01:47:28,100 --> 01:47:33,100
interesting flavors and it's, 
you know, to me like the more 

2200
01:47:33,100 --> 01:47:35,400
stuff you put on a sandwich. 
Generally speaking, the more 

2201
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:40,600
complicated it ends up tasting. 
I will say in the Knicks orbit. 

2202
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:42,400
There's a sandwich at Osteria 
Rago. 

2203
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:47,700
Oh, that I would love to have my
name on which is essentially 

2204
01:47:47,700 --> 01:47:53,400
like a combination of turkey and
pepperoni and pepperoncini. 

2205
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:58,000
And there's there's there's like
a Jardin era on there. 

2206
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,900
Like it's a really, really nice 
like find the actual name of 

2207
01:48:00,900 --> 01:48:02,300
that sandwich. 
Right now. 

2208
01:48:03,300 --> 01:48:09,300
It's the the, the Ragged Zona. 
It's it's Picante salami, which 

2209
01:48:09,300 --> 01:48:11,300
is hot salami. 
Turkey pepperoni provolone, 

2210
01:48:11,300 --> 01:48:15,500
tomato, red, onion pepper. 
Seany Jardin era and Mayo. 

2211
01:48:15,700 --> 01:48:18,900
That's like, that would be of 
the Knicks orbit. 

2212
01:48:18,900 --> 01:48:20,600
Right now. 
That's a match at Osteria would 

2213
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:22,700
be my choice if I was going to 
put my name on an existing 

2214
01:48:22,700 --> 01:48:24,300
sandwich. 
But if I'm choosing one of my 

2215
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:27,300
own, I'm doing that brisket 
horseradish mayo sandwich 

2216
01:48:27,300 --> 01:48:29,900
because that's a really Dynamite
combination that most people are

2217
01:48:29,900 --> 01:48:32,000
not aware of. 
What do you think, Scott? 

2218
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:35,000
I'll order it. 
By the way. 

2219
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:37,400
I'm not I'm let's can we get 
Knicks as a sponsor just have a 

2220
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:38,800
one-night like, you know, 
sandwich. 

2221
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:42,600
I thought everyone gets a 
sandwich from from The 

2222
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:44,600
home-field network from the home
network. 

2223
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:45,900
I should say that. 
Hope you'll Network. 

2224
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:50,100
I'm your hit me way off. 
I thought I would say this 

2225
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:52,700
underrated bread. 
You got brioche, which is 

2226
01:48:52,700 --> 01:48:54,800
awesome. 
An underrated bread that we love

2227
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:56,900
is Hala like we do challah 
bread. 

2228
01:48:56,900 --> 01:49:00,200
And if you my wife leaves it out
the night before and it makes 

2229
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:03,200
for just Dynamite French toast 
like a little bit crispy and 

2230
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:05,000
crunchy. 
Leave it out overnight to get a 

2231
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:07,200
little bit hard and they make 
French toast out of it. 

2232
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:10,400
But that said, I would do a 
challah bread and do like a 

2233
01:49:10,407 --> 01:49:12,400
grilled cheese, but you do it 
where you? 

2234
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:15,500
A little bit of like parmesan on
the bread and so it kind of 

2235
01:49:15,500 --> 01:49:17,800
crisps up the outside. 
And so it almost becomes like a 

2236
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:21,000
crunchy grilled cheese, but you 
have some good like smoked gouda

2237
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:24,400
inside and then you have either 
your option of some nice, you 

2238
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:27,500
know, like honey drizzled bacon 
or some kind of like honey 

2239
01:49:27,500 --> 01:49:29,900
drizzled ham. 
And so you have a meat option 

2240
01:49:29,900 --> 01:49:33,000
for the grilled cheese with a 
little bit of and then and maybe

2241
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,400
sometimes throwing in even like 
a soft cheese, like a brewery in

2242
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:37,400
there as kind of fun. 
Just heated up a little bit. 

2243
01:49:37,500 --> 01:49:40,900
I also love actually know. 
I'm going to redo all this Ari 

2244
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:43,300
taste, same grilled cheese, not 
I'll be saying the same thing 

2245
01:49:43,300 --> 01:49:49,600
but we're doing the gouda with 
the bacon, and then Apple. 

2246
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:51,100
So you throw some apple slices 
there. 

2247
01:49:51,100 --> 01:49:53,800
You do some Brie. 
You have a little gouda bacon 

2248
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:56,600
and then you have the hollow 
with the, the spring, clean the 

2249
01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:58,800
outside. 
So it's nice and crusty on the 

2250
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:00,400
outside. 
That's what I would do. 

2251
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:03,100
I will, I will say, I would, I 
would probably put a slice of 

2252
01:50:03,108 --> 01:50:07,400
provolone on the sandwich that I
have suggested for myself, late 

2253
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:08,000
too late. 
It's already. 

2254
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,600
It's already on the menu and I 
don't even think about the 

2255
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:11,600
cheese, but that's where I would
put a lie that's already on the 

2256
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:14,200
menu. 
Out anyway, all right, we've 

2257
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:18,300
gone almost two hours. 
You're welcome folks, but what 

2258
01:50:18,300 --> 01:50:19,900
we backed by the way, you 
mentioned, like people who are 

2259
01:50:19,900 --> 01:50:21,000
new to Crimson Catholic. 
Let's do it. 

2260
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:22,700
We do it. 
Will go two months off and then 

2261
01:50:22,700 --> 01:50:24,700
we come in. 
And it's like, you're getting 

2262
01:50:24,700 --> 01:50:26,700
two hours of crimson cast. 
Let's go. 

2263
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:29,400
You know, what I will say? 
He'll finish up with this. 

2264
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,700
Like, the people would Grant the
people that can play that 

2265
01:50:31,700 --> 01:50:34,000
podcasts are too long. 
I see this on message boards, 

2266
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:34,600
all the time. 
People. 

2267
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:36,800
Like, why would I want to listen
to do an hour-long podcast? 

2268
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:41,800
And but I'm always like, okay, a
you have a pause button, like 

2269
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:43,700
you don't have to listen. 
And it all in one setting. 

2270
01:50:43,700 --> 01:50:46,200
Like do I listen to the podcast 
that I listen to all in one 

2271
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,100
setting know I go out and walk 
the dog. 

2272
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:50,300
It's like 20 minutes. 
I get 20 minutes to the podcast 

2273
01:50:50,300 --> 01:50:51,900
in when I'm done walking the 
dog. 

2274
01:50:51,900 --> 01:50:54,400
Do I just let it run on my lick.
My God, I can't go inside until 

2275
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:57,300
this thing's over. 
No, I hit the pause button and 

2276
01:50:57,300 --> 01:51:00,400
then I go about my day. 
And then the next day I listen 

2277
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,000
to the rest of it and it all 
works out really. 

2278
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:03,800
Well. 
You're like, where's Dad? 

2279
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,100
Where's Dad? 
Sorry, he's finishing the potty 

2280
01:51:06,100 --> 01:51:08,900
sitting on the porch. 
Just yeah, sadly, we be. 

2281
01:51:08,900 --> 01:51:11,300
So the podcast run. 
So, you know, and the other 

2282
01:51:11,300 --> 01:51:16,500
thing is Can't think of another 
industry where, oh, we're sorry.

2283
01:51:16,500 --> 01:51:19,800
They gave us too much content, 
you know, it's like well gosh 

2284
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,400
this this book is over 200 
pages. 

2285
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:25,100
I couldn't possibly and it's a 
you know, come on. 

2286
01:51:25,100 --> 01:51:28,100
Just lets we're giving you a 
gift here. 

2287
01:51:28,100 --> 01:51:31,100
We're giving you almost 120 
Minutes. 

2288
01:51:31,500 --> 01:51:34,700
Almost 120 Minutes of podcast. 
Just be grateful. 

2289
01:51:34,700 --> 01:51:36,100
I know most of you are, we're 
just talking. 

2290
01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:39,700
We're we are we are inventing 
Straw Men and then we're 

2291
01:51:39,700 --> 01:51:42,800
attacking those Straw Men, but 
it's people from I don't want to

2292
01:51:42,808 --> 01:51:45,000
get generational but like you. 
And I grew up where it's like, 

2293
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:46,600
we're listening to the radio and
like, all their talk about IU 

2294
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:48,100
basketball. 
Like, I'm about to this, like, 

2295
01:51:48,100 --> 01:51:51,000
like kids got now, sound old 
kids today. 

2296
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:55,700
It's like you have be glad that 
you have extra and Unlimited 

2297
01:51:55,700 --> 01:51:59,400
Supply of the Sports Talk that 
you want in podcast form because

2298
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:02,200
you and I Galen grew up in a 
world where I was like, I was 

2299
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:05,100
having these thoughts. 
Yep, but there was nowhere to 

2300
01:52:05,100 --> 01:52:08,500
like listen to outlets on this 
versus like, oh my God, like 

2301
01:52:08,500 --> 01:52:10,500
there's a blur, but IU 
basketball and Sports 

2302
01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:12,400
Illustrated. 
Like I'm going to read it seven.

2303
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,600
In times and cut it out and put 
it on my wall. 

2304
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:15,700
Yeah. 
Now, it's true. 

2305
01:52:15,700 --> 01:52:19,000
I mean, the seven-minute radio 
segment or even like a renew, a 

2306
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:22,500
whole hour and and the whole 
hour ends up being like 28 

2307
01:52:22,500 --> 01:52:24,800
minutes of actual talk. 
And the rest of it is like 

2308
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,200
traffic and weather. 
And hey, I got this sponsor. 

2309
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:30,200
I got to read it. 
This is so much better place to 

2310
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:32,400
be all told. 
So enjoy it. 

2311
01:52:32,500 --> 01:52:34,700
I don't know when we're going to
be back podcasting again. 

2312
01:52:35,300 --> 01:52:36,900
Maybe June. 
Maybe July. 

2313
01:52:36,900 --> 01:52:38,600
We'll see, but back, it'll be 
long. 

2314
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:41,600
But by all means continue to 
check us out. 

2315
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:44,700
Be sure to check out our Friends
over at assembly call as they 

2316
01:52:44,700 --> 01:52:48,300
are doing weekly shows still and
talking about what's going on 

2317
01:52:48,300 --> 01:52:50,900
with IU Athletics. 
The two of us tend to pop up on 

2318
01:52:50,900 --> 01:52:51,700
there. 
Occasionally. 

2319
01:52:51,900 --> 01:52:54,000
We might have a special event 
coming up in Bloomington in 

2320
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:58,200
about a month. 
So keep your ears and eyes open 

2321
01:52:58,200 --> 01:52:59,800
for that. 
Will put some information out on

2322
01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:02,700
social. 
Once we get that squared away 

2323
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,400
and be sure to check out home 
field apparel as we talked about

2324
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:07,800
at the beginning, our presenting
sponsor on the back home 

2325
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:10,900
network, as they continue to 
roll out big new Saturday, still

2326
01:53:10,900 --> 01:53:13,700
time to get subscribed and And 
be a part of that. 

2327
01:53:13,700 --> 01:53:17,700
So Scott as always it was a 
pleasure to see you and talk 

2328
01:53:17,700 --> 01:53:20,400
with you. 
Yes, and thanks to yes. 

2329
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:21,500
Sorry. 
Go ahead, NADA. 

2330
01:53:21,900 --> 01:53:23,300
You're good. 
Okay, fine. 

2331
01:53:23,500 --> 01:53:25,400
Good anyway for Scott, I'm 
Galen. 

2332
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:28,100
This is Crimson Castle. 
Thanks for joining us. 

2333
01:53:28,100 --> 01:53:29,200
Sorry. 
I just hit my microphone. 

2334
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:30,400
There. 
We'll catch you folks on the 

2335
01:53:30,407 --> 01:53:32,200
flipside. 
Bring back the Bison. 

2336
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:33,000
So long, everybody.