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Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 

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Galen Clavio, Scott Caulfield 
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It is Sunday the 12th of 
November, almost halfway through

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this month already, and we're 
here to talk some Indiana 

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football as the Hoosiers 
unfortunately had their playoff 

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mode out of playoff mode. 
Their their dreams ended 

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prematurely in Champaign, Urbana
yesterday as they drop and over.

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Tea Dreams End in Champaign, 
Urbana. 

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That is Where Dreams Go to die, 
Scott. 

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Absolutely. 
What are? 

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We're gonna Logan by the the 
local Commerce Department. 

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But yeah, they picked it. 
It was kind of a throwback game,

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and we'll talk about why. 
We'll talk about what we saw in 

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the game and kind of the fallout
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and we'll probably chat a little
bit about IU Basketball as they 

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play tonight. 
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listening today, they have their
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up here. 
But first, just a couple quick 

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door, which I mean, 
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could have a smart door that I'm
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houses in your neighborhood, 
Scott, do not have smart doors. 

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Don't say more I I This is an 
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Need to make a little money. 
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So who would make the best smart

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door? 
Would that be a Samsung product?

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Is that an LG thing? 
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Is this Is this where like 
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Like what's Maytag? 
That'd be great. 

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Well, you guys will find out in 
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Scott's up there pitching Smart 
Door. 

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I think by season 17 you'll be 
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There's going to elbow Barbara 
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like, you know, Scott Caulfield 
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One of the new Sharks. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Scott they got new Bomber 
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I mean I I almost bought a 
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I have zero like 0 desire to 
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like to look cool and that might
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be to buy that bomber jacket. 
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always, and they always come up 
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I might have bought a Washington
hoodie in honor of Michael 

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Pennix. 
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other day and it might be it 
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It's it's a really, I didn't 
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repertoire. 
You know I had I had some green 

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because of my Miami connections.
I certainly have a bunch of red.

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I have a bunch of charcoal. 
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So I feel like I have both paid 
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Pennix Junior, and also have 
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palette to my overall wardrobe. 
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Match like, we're not going to 
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going to be a Big Ten team, but 
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So it's like, it's not like, you
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green, it's like, oh God, we 
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time. 
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Like purple is kind of a safe 
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for Northwestern. 
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But like Northwestern, has not 
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I just don't want any. 
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like mistaken for rooting for 
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That's that's like a big, big 
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Anyway let's get to the podcast.
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potentially and we we talked a 
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The Pregame podcast with Taylor.
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improbability about all of this.
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this week with a faint but still
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games in a role and headed to a 
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the Illinois team this week. 
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exemplar of consistency over the
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Illinois was four and five. 
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Illinois was missing their 
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How wrong we were, and Indiana 
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of A roll. 
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look like they were moving the 
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the first half. 
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think that while Illinois was 
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toughest of the three games 
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Indiana had a legitimate shot in
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victory, getting themselves to 
four and six, and making the 

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last two games of the year 
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State and a struggling Purdue 
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comparison. 
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in this game and look for all 
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to do that. 
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Well, maybe completely is a bit 
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up by quite a bit at a 27 to 12 
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in the first half of play. 
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there's this saying, Scott, you 
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Well, this wasn't the wheels 
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This was like the wheels turning
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you in the driver's seat and 
then, like, fire little missiles

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at you. 
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with the wheels of this game. 
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12 to going down by, what was 
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Sorry, me, sorry. 
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point. 
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comeback, gets it to overtime 
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for the only possession that 
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Illinois wins 48 to 45. 
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to talk about this, except for a
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voicemail messages that you left
me that I didn't record. 

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I promise I'm not holding that 
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But what were your overall 
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game? 
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of neighborhood update which 
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We we have to do as to why I was
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but it's. 
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Like I saw on Twitter was like 
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This game is drunk and it's 
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I mean, that was some of the 
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in a college game on both sides.
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all over the place, bad tackling
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Connor Onion, who's doing play 
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be coming on the podcast today. 
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We're having some scheduling 
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scheduling issues 'cause he's 
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continent after having to work 
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season. 
Sorry, what do you think they 

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Connor's like, what do you think
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like, oh, they got to get a big 
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oh and like then like you know 
Soresby throws for like 22 

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It's just like it's like Mill 
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favorite was Matt Millon 
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explaining an NFL rule instead 
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Was one of the touchdowns. 
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say. 
I hate picking. 

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Like, and there's no flags, 
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Chiron up at the bottom, it's 
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He's like, well, I meant back on
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It's my my favorite. 
There was an early play we would

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paddock the Illinois quarterback
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interception out of like a third
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like oh this is a smart play by 
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goes on for like 30 seconds 
about what a great play was like

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dude nearly throw an 
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I mean it was I had I had a an 
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Keep in mind, like the students 
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born after the year 2000. 
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been fully introduced to the 
Matt Milan experience like our 

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generation unfortunately has. 
But this student texts me out of

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the blue and just says I'm sorry
I had to text you this. 

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Matt Milan is so terrible. 
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Why? 
Why? 

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Why did they hire him? 
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You know, I'm having a tough 
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It's that bad. 
He just won't shut up. 

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Poor Connor. 
Onion. 

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I wouldn't bring this up to 
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him today, but it's just funny 
that even the youth realize 

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there's a real problem here in 
the booth. 

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Well, I mean, but this is still,
you know, Big 10's still kind of

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a, you know, mom and pop 
operation without a, oh, no, 

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wait, they have a $4 billion TV 
contract. 

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They get hired anyway. 
But no, it was funny that he 

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just, like said like, oh, they 
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boom, they. 
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turned up, there were big chunk 
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I mean, on the positive side, 
Donovan McCauley looked 

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unguardable at times, like, you 
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threw them. 
He either catch it or there'll 

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be a penalty. 
Like that was nice to see. 

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But I mean. 
It it was insane. 

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And then you something you 
mentioned you know it it the two

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things you said you know First 
off the surrender ball it was 

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funny. 
I I this is one of those games I

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started you know poking on 
Twitter just to see reaction as 

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it's going because like this is 
like bananas. 

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And again it's like it's funny 
how how much of A ghost town 

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Indiana football Twitter has 
become. 

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It's like the tumbleweeds going 
across and there's like there's 

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like four people who tweet about
it and it's like. 

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Everybody else is like just not 
paying attention. 

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But I saw some Illinois fans who
were pissed about their last 

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drive that they felt they played
surrender ball, which they kind 

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of did. 
It's like these really are 

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mirror image teams of each 
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But then you also said about 
like you know how we we got, you

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know, we were up 13 or so, we 
went down like 12. 

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And then with our backs against 
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And like that is if I take away 
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even the last like 2 years like 
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Really is so annoying that it 
feels like this team back 

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against the wall doesn't even 
feel like enough of a, you know,

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phrase. 
It's like they they have to be 

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against the Cliff with 1 foot 
kind of like dangling off and 

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rocks falling down in a 
cinematic way before they like 

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check back in and get going. 
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anything defensively in the 
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you have those moments where 
it's like you have the game, 

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like you can put Illinois away, 
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It's like they always wait till 
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They did it in the season. 
Where it's like the Wisconsin 

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game was the last game you could
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This would have been nicer at 
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But hey, the Rutgers game, you 
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out of it, so you don't play. 
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it's like they they kept on 

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checking back in when it was 
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Then your points like they get 
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It's like, whoo, all right, We 
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And it's like, no, your backs 
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Well, a lot of what happened 
last week I think got thrown 

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into greater question When you 
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to Madison and beating that same
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really it was 24 to 3. 
Like it was not that close. 

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Like weirdly enough, a 14 point 
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Wisconsin was actually not that 
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starting quarterback back. 
So I mean, I when I look at that

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Wisconsin game and we mentioned 
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pod, as much as that was a nice 
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because any win over Wisconsin 
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I think it's pretty clear that 
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right now, there's nothing that 
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performance in that game that we
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gotten better. 
I think they caught Wisconsin at

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a very lucky time. 
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against Illinois, what sticks 
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I mean, first of all I want to 
talk about a couple of 

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positives. 
A I really like watching Brendan

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Soresby and Brendan Soresby 
deserves a lot of credit for a 

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guy who has not exactly lit it 
up statistically so far this 

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season. 
He was able to take advantage of

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what granted was a bad Illinois 
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yards, 3 touchdowns. 
Only really weighed one major 

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mistake the whole game, which 
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ended up not mattering too much.
Rushed for two touchdowns, 53 

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yards total. 
Had that great run in the fourth

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quarter to get Indiana, you 
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could think about tying the game
up. 

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Made some tremendous throws. 
I'm really excited about Brendan

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Soresby's ability to do a lot of
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really am excited about the 
partnership that he and Donovan 

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McAuley, who had also a 
tremendous game, 11 catches, 137

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yards, 2 touchdowns, looked 
James Hardie esque out there in 

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terms of just how Illinois 
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that was really exciting. 
Trent Howland looked awesome 

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running the ball. 
You know, Josh Henderson didn't 

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look as awesome, but he he 
wasn't awful. 

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I mean, Indiana rushed for 
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game, Scott, which as we know 
watching this season is great. 

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Someone even you know, tweeted 
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must be having a party because 
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back score, a running touchdown.
How do you feel about that? 

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First of all, let's let's dive 
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Are you excited? 
It well but by the way it 

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happened on like it was the the 
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is pop it was the ball barely 
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the replay I was like no they're
going to take they're going to 

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take them away from Scott we 
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was like this is great I I kind 
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last throughout the season 
because like that would have 

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been a wild stat to go an entire
conference season without a 

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running back scoring A touchdown
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of that they really tried to not
make it happen they did. 

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I I'm with you on Mccully. 
I I thought he looked more 

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Hardy's a great cop. 
I thought it was more like Fry 

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Fogel in the 2020 season where 
just like you just throw it up 

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and he can go get it. 
The thing with Soresby agree 

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with all that. 
It's probably my last, you know,

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pick up of the, the, the, the 
broadcast, but. 

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It's like I I've heard something
new now because they kept on 

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talking about how he won the 
second quarterback battle of the

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season. 
It's like the people who 

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invented, like, you know, second
brunch or second dinner. 

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It's like, I don't really. 
I don't. 

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Never heard. 
Fourth meal quarterback battle, 

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4th meal. 
You what? 

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4th meal? 
4th meal? 

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Yeah, but there's like, you 
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like second lunch. 
It's like you're making up new 

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things that don't exist. 
It's like the second quarterback

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battle. 
It's like that's a very kind way

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to explain the way the 
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handled. 
But he look you. 

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Look, it's like, all right, this
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It's great. 
We have a great young 

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quarterback who is. 
Able to to run and throw and so 

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I'm with you. 
I look at Soresby and I'm like 

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that's something that you can 
build around for the next couple

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of years. 
So I take a lot of stock in 

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that. 
Yeah, unfortunately, the bottom 

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fell out of almost everything 
else. 

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I mean, the offensive line play 
for Indiana was really uneven 

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and it, while it certainly gave 
Soresby some time, there were 

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also moments where it just kind 
of disintegrated. 

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But for once, I mean, I think 
the offensive line point you can

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say was kind of, you know, 
relatively even. 

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It wasn't great, but it wasn't 
disastrous. 

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the second-half where Wisconsin 
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Indiana's defense. 
And it's hard to really put your

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head around how bad this 
defensive performance was. 

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And what makes it even more 
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Tom Allen's side of the ball. 
You know, whether he's directly 

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calling the plays or, you know, 
or whether it's Matt Greeri, 

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this is Tom Allen's baby. 
You know, defense first, coach, 

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defense, first program. 
They gave up an ungodly amount 

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of yards in this game. 662 yards
surrendered, 507 passing yards. 

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They allowed Paddock the the the
transfer from Ball State to 

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average 14.1 yards per pass, not
per completion per pass. 

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They also gave up 155 yards on 
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And when you look at what 
Indiana allowed in this game and

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you think about how much this 
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predicated on defensive effort 
and limiting the opponent and 

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bending but not breaking, we've 
heard about that for a long 

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time. 
Like this felt like the bottom 

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falling out of the one thing 
that Indiana, you know, kept 

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saying that they were focusing 
on. 

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It's not that surprising if you 
look at it in in the hole. 

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As you and I have talked about, 
Indiana's defense has not been 

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very good all year. 
The statistics play that out. 

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S&P Plus does not like the 
defense. 

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It's just statistically not been
a good performance. 

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But this was like at the 
absolute worst time against an 

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opponent that, frankly, has been
really bad offensively. 

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I mean, Illinois has been 
averaging about 300 and 53160 

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yards a game. 
They've only been averaging 

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about 20 some points a game. 
2122 to allow them to score 48 

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points and almost double their 
average yardage with a backup 

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quarterback. 
Is it almost. 

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You almost can't find the words 
for how unfortunate and how 

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disappointing that is and for 
that to essentially be the thing

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that ends Indiana's chances of a
post season. 

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Again, it was always a faint 
hope, but I think everybody 

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would have expected that it 
would have been the offense not 

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coming through that would have 
caused the problems for the 

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offense to solve some of its 
problems, again against a weak 

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Illinois defense, but for the 
defense to completely abdicate 

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its responsibilities in the 
secondary for basically the 

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entire game? 
I don't know what you can do 

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other than just kind of shake 
your head and say, well, I'm not

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shocked, but it is surprising. 
So the two things, you know, we 

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we play the drive chart game a 
lot on this podcast. 

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There's only four drives in the 
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Illinois didn't score points, 
which is not great. 

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My take away was this is what I 
was kind of digging around this 

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morning. 
You know, I I think it's really 

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not a a fair glimpse of this 
season and kind of a negative 

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way to just be like, well man, 
that was a historically bad 

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performance. 
Because here's the thing that we

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let Illinois score the most 
points they've scored all 

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season, 48 points. 
You said they averaged 23. 

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I will ask you, do you know how 
many other teams this year we've

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let score the most points 
they've had all season against 

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us? 
I don't, actually. 

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So it's it's three, but there's 
two asterisks for a total of 5 S

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Rutgers. 
We gave up 31 to Rutgers, but 

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they averaged 24 a game and 
they're too high as like 34 and 

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36 or something. 
But Michigan, we gave up the 

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most points they scored all 
season. 

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We're tied with Minnesota. 
Not a great place to be. 52 

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points to Michigan, they 
averaged 39. 

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Maryland, we gave up the most 
points they scored all season, 

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44. 
They averaged 28. 

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And then Akron gets another 
asterisk as this, the second 

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most points they've given up all
season. 

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And I, I, I kind of count that 
because you shouldn't be giving 

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up the second most points to an 
Akron type team when you're 

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playing them at home. 
They average 15 points a season.

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We gave up 27 to them so. 
In 30% a game, not a season. 

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But yes, sorry, sorry, sorry. 
Yeah, yeah, they in 30% of our 

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games this year, we've let the 
team score the most points 

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they've scored all season in 50%
of the games. 

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If you count Rutgers and Akron, 
we're letting teams score above 

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their average in 50% of our 
games. 

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That's astonishingly bad. 
Like that is just not something 

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you should be allowing. 
Three other things. 

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I don't want this. 
We're not trying to pile on, but

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I think it's important to their 
stats, their stats and but it's 

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also like it's just kind of 
stunning. 

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I mean, this is the most points 
Illinois has scored against a 

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Big 10 opponent since November 
3rd, 2018 when they beat 

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Minnesota 55 to 31. 
A similar kind of game from a 

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score line perspective. 
A lot of people online were 

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bringing up. 
The is like shades of 8320. 

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You know that loss that Indiana 
had to Wisconsin. 

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But it's fascinating. 
Indiana only gave up 598 yards 

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in that game which which is 
which is 60 yards less basically

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than they gave up in this game. 
Don't break defense, Galen. 

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The The one other thing I think 
is just it's it's hard to get 

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your head wrapped around in this
game. 

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Illinois. 
Defensively. 

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Well, I guess offensively feeds 
in this too a little bit, but 

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they committed 14 penalties for 
139 yards and Indiana still lost

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the game and gave up 662 total 
yards. 

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I mean, it is the and we've seen
Indiana really struggle 

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defensively at times, but it's 
normally they're playing Ohio 

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State, right, or they're playing
Michigan for this Illinois team 

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to go off like this against 
Indiana. 

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You know the the After scoring 
43 points or 48 points in this 

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game, Illinois average points 
per game is still only 23.8 

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points per game for this entire 
season. 

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The only other time this year 
that this Illinois team was able

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to score more than 27 points. 
Was when they scored thirty 

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against Toledo in the opening 
game of the season and they had 

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to drive down the field on the 
last drive of the game and kick 

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a game-winning field goal in 
that one. 

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So yeah, it's it's bad and I 
feel, I I really feel bad for 

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you know some of the players on 
defense that. 

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Had you know had some good 
individual performances 

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throughout the course of the 
year. 

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I've been the secondary just it 
was it was baffling watching it.

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I mean I know you watched it the
same way I did Scott and I mean 

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even even the commentators were 
talking about it like every time

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it just if there was either a 
guy that fell down or a bad 

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angle taken or communication 
thing. 

450
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,520
Tom Allen, the post game was 
like well you know fundamentals.

451
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,040
And I'm like I don't understand 
how fundamentals. 

452
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,120
Are still a problem like basic 
thing Not not like. 

453
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:31,600
Oh, I don't understand how you 
know this too deep coverage is 

454
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,720
supposed to operate against this
particular offense. 

455
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,960
No fundamentals, like here's the
angle you take to tackle a 

456
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,000
person or I'm sorry, coaching 
fundamentals on in his post 

457
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,840
game, he also said that on one 
of the defensive plays they 

458
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,160
didn't get the call into the 
defense and so that was the 

459
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,560
cause of one of the blown 
coverages. 

460
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,200
Defense didn't have a play. 
And it's like, how are we at 

461
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,440
this point in playoff time at 
the end of the? 

462
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,200
Season not able to get a a 
freaking play in to the defense.

463
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,360
It's it, it's completely, I mean
it's not baffling because I 

464
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,640
think you know it's it's very, 
very disappointing. 

465
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,960
But I think as we've talked 
about throughout the course of 

466
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,520
this season, it became apparent 
early on and I think the fans 

467
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:15,040
kind of caught on after a couple
of games, that this team really 

468
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,800
just never had it together. 
And while I think you give them,

469
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,000
certainly give them credit for 
taking care of the Wisconsin 

470
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,680
game and and winning that at the
end. 

471
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,400
A, it doesn't look like 
Wisconsin's a very good team at 

472
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,880
this point. 
And B, there's there's a clear 

473
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,360
issue where this team operates 
like a boat that's got a bunch 

474
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:39,840
of leaks and you know you plug 
one and another one springs up. 

475
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,920
I mean it's it never seems to be
a situation where everything is 

476
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,800
under control and working 
properly and. 

477
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,160
When you get into a game like 
this, the concern I had was that

478
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,000
Illinois, while certainly not a 
good team, at least understood 

479
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,040
how to win games and be in in in
in contention. 

480
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,800
We've seen them blow important 
games last year. 

481
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,640
We've seen them blow important 
games this year, but they've 

482
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,200
also had the ability to kind of 
rise above and barely win games 

483
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,240
that they needed and. 
I did worry in a situation where

484
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,600
Indiana had to go into a 
dogfight that they weren't going

485
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,240
to be able to do that. 
You know the. 

486
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:18,920
I think the offense deserves a 
bunch of credit for that last 

487
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,080
drive where you know, they could
have just given up. 

488
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,400
But they did drive down the 
field. 

489
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,840
They got us into the into the 
end zone. 

490
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,280
They sent it to overtime. 
I still don't understand what 

491
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,280
the play calling was in overtime
though. 

492
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,560
And this is the thing. 
It's like the. 

493
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,960
What I can't grasp, I mean, you 
know, there was Brandon Sorsby 

494
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,680
was interviewed after the game. 
We as much as we just talked 

495
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,480
about how bad the defense was. 
Clearly how bad the defense had 

496
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,480
been, how they were incapable of
of covering people regularly. 

497
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,160
They were letting Paddock throw 
the ball all over the place. 

498
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,080
Brandon Sorsby said in the post 
game press conference that the 

499
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,080
last two plays, the second down 
and the third down play in the 

500
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,200
overtime were designed 
quarterback draws, which. 

501
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,360
That's not getting the job done 
when it comes to, hey, we need 

502
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,760
to score a touchdown. 
It was it was almost exactly 

503
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,480
what happened in the Penn State 
game where Indiana gets the 

504
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,200
interception. 
You know they're at the with the

505
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,760
30 yard line, they they know 
they're probably not going to be

506
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,120
able to stop Penn State if Penn 
State gets the ball back and 

507
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,400
they are tied. 
And yet they play for a field 

508
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,720
goal here in this game. 
They needed to score a touchdown

509
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,360
because the chances that 
Indiana's defense, from all the 

510
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:32,400
evidence that we had seen for 
the entire rest of the game, was

511
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,240
going to be able to stop 
Illinois from scoring A 

512
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,560
touchdown, the chances were like
almost zero. 

513
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,600
And yet in that moment, IU 
decided that they were going to 

514
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,520
essentially play for a field 
goal. 

515
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,880
You don't call 2 quarterback 
draws on what, Second and ten 

516
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,360
and third and eight or whatever 
it was and think that that is 

517
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:55,040
legitimately going to get you 
into the end zone. 

518
00:26:55,360 --> 00:27:00,280
And that's really, I think 
again, it's not disappointing 

519
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:05,440
because I'm not surprised, but 
it is just kind of a testimonial

520
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,520
on what this season has been and
where this team is at right now 

521
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,480
and and what the coaching 
decisions have been like. 

522
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,680
It didn't put Indiana in a 
position to win. 

523
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,360
It was in. 
It basically put Indiana in a 

524
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,320
position where. 
They weren't going to 

525
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,280
immediately lose, but it set 
them self. 

526
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,600
It set them up for failure when 
Illinois got the ball back. 

527
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,760
And that play that Illinois 
scored on was exactly the kind 

528
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,600
of play that you would have 
expected Illinois would have 

529
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,600
scored on A roll out off of an 
initial pressure where the 

530
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,680
secondary couldn't cover and 
that was that. 

531
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,280
And that to lose in that way 
after everything that happened 

532
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,560
in that game just kind of 
boggles the mind to me. 

533
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,000
It's even more frustrating 
because everything you said is 

534
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,600
correct. 
But on the flip side, you know, 

535
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,080
it wasn't just that we couldn't 
stop Illinois. 

536
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,480
It's that, you know, this. 
This reminded me of. 

537
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,000
I never actually had this 
scenario. 

538
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,880
But like when you used to play 
Tecmo Bowl on the old NES, it's 

539
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,560
like if someone's controller 
was, like, just jammed and they 

540
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,440
couldn't pick one of the 
defenses. 

541
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,640
It's like we had the same thing 
against Illinois. 

542
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,520
Like our offense was able to 
just run down the field. 

543
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,600
Soresby had just thrown two 
fantastic passes. 

544
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,400
Guys were wide open and slanting
across the middle and it's like 

545
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,240
we know that if we throw run, if
we throw things like that, if we

546
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,560
just go to Mcculley, if we do 
the bottom and a play on Tecmo 

547
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,120
Bowl, the other team doesn't 
isn't able to run the defense 

548
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,560
for that. 
So we're going to do something 

549
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,200
and it's like now let's see what
the quarterback sneak does like.

550
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,680
That's the frustrating part. 
It's not just that we knew our 

551
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,760
defense was going to have a hard
time stopping their offense. 

552
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,320
It's that we knew that Illinois 
defense was going to have a hard

553
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,840
time stopping our offense 
because they just did in like 3 

554
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,160
similar plays. 
And that's that is always the 

555
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,160
galling part is like so rarely 
in Indiana football history do 

556
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,480
we have somebody where it's like
we have the Frye Fogel, where 

557
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,800
it's like this guy looks 
unguardable and you know that 

558
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,560
the great thing about that 
season is like we just kept 

559
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:58,680
going to him. 
It's like this is great. 

560
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,240
We have something that other 
teams have a hard time stopping.

561
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,640
You started to see that with the
Soresby to Donovan Mccully 

562
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,080
connection there and they just 
didn't do it once. 

563
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,960
Like that's that combination is 
tailor built for an overtime. 

564
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,080
It's like that's great, just run
McCauley to the end zone, throw 

565
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,240
it up and maybe you get a pass 
interference. 

566
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,080
Maybe he catches it with A1 hand
amazing catch like he did last 

567
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,160
week. 
That's the galling part. 

568
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,440
It's the same thing that was 
galling against Penn State and 

569
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,160
it's the IT like you said it 
perfect kind of the the the 

570
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,520
count give up ball would you 
call it. 

571
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,600
Surrender. 
Ball the what? 

572
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,080
Surrender, Ball. 
Surrender ball. 

573
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:34,440
Yes. 
No. 

574
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,360
It's like it it it it has this 
like, Oh well now like now we're

575
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,280
actually, there's there's real 
stakes We could actually win 

576
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,720
this game. 
So now we got to go back to the 

577
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,000
the the the real coaching of 
like you know 2 yards in a cloud

578
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,080
of dust like no, like just keep 
doing what you've been doing. 

579
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,320
Stop overthinking this. 
It's it's frustrating. 

580
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,240
It's madding. 
But it it kind of is. 

581
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,760
It is what we expected from this
season. 

582
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,960
Yeah. 
It's just a shame. 

583
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,720
I mean I was excited about it 
would have been great to have 

584
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,480
gone into the last go to 
Detroit. 

585
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,320
Well yeah, well just just the 
idea that Indiana you know, 

586
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,720
could have potentially won the 
last four would have been such a

587
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,880
cool story, such an unusual 
thing. 

588
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,840
And the the sad thing is you 
know, on the one hand if you 

589
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,720
look at the post game win 
expectancy, which is basically 

590
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,000
again for those who are new to 
the show, if you look at the 

591
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,080
statistics. 
You can do essentially a 

592
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,000
question of what would these 
statistics historically how how 

593
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
likely were you to have won the 
game whether or not you actually

594
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,240
won it? 
Illinois post game win 

595
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,800
expectancy in this game was 
91.5%. 

596
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,600
So if Indiana had won the game, 
Illinois would have been hard 

597
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,720
done by. 
But to lose in this way, To 

598
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,400
allow Illinois to just pass all 
over you? 

599
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,840
To allow this transfer 
quarterback from Ball State to 

600
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:55,000
essentially have. 
A career game and to put 

601
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,840
yourself in a position where 
you're sitting here on Sunday 

602
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,440
morning, your season's 
essentially over you. 

603
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,760
I mean, Indiana's not going to, 
you know, I I really have a hard

604
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,760
time seeing them even getting to
five and seven and getting like 

605
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,160
an APR bowl bit at this point. 
But to to be sitting here and 

606
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,600
saying, gosh, we we had that one
in one way or another. 

607
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,120
We were in the game. 
We were up by 15 points. 

608
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,160
And you couldn't figure out a 
way to just play average defense

609
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,920
the rest of the way. 
It's just another illustration, 

610
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:32,520
unfortunately, of how far away 
this program still is from being

611
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,200
competitive. 
I mean, I was joking on Twitter 

612
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,080
yesterday. 
Like, this is for those people 

613
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,040
who have been talking about the 
Wilson era but weren't around 

614
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,360
for it. 
Like this game had a lot of of 

615
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,440
reminiscent aspects of Wilson 
era games, but the difference 

616
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,760
was like Indiana. 
They would. 

617
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,040
They were winning five or six 
games in those regular seasons 

618
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,040
and look, five or six wins or 
five wins, I'm sorry, six wins 

619
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,400
is off the board. 
Five wins is not out of the 

620
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:04,080
question with IU, but it seems 
unlikely because at this point I

621
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,640
just I have a hard time seeing 
Indiana being able to get 

622
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,200
mentally up. 
For these games the way they 

623
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,320
were the last couple of weeks, 
because as you mentioned, like 

624
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,280
you go, you could talk about 
playoff mode or whatever, but 

625
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,520
all you have to do is go back to
homecoming, Rutgers game, key 

626
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,320
game. 
Indiana basically didn't perform

627
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,840
in that one either. 
It's just it's unfortunate 

628
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,640
because as much as gets talked 
about like Indiana doesn't have 

629
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,320
the right talent, you know, a 
lot of it is that Indiana 

630
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,240
doesn't seem to be able to 
properly motivate itself. 

631
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,240
In some of these games, and the 
Toledo game was a great example 

632
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,360
of that from earlier on or not, 
the Toledo the Akron game was 

633
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,440
was like that from earlier this 
year where it's like, you know, 

634
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,400
you're like that doesn't 
mentally block out a lot. 

635
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,880
Right. 
No, sorry, we added that 

636
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,760
afterwards. 
No, but but you know, you think 

637
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,960
about that one, you know and 
it's actually there's some 

638
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,600
analogues there where in that 
game Indiana had a had played 

639
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,160
really well in the previous week
in the second-half against 

640
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,200
Louisville, they came up short. 
They have that Akron game. 

641
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,880
And they just weren't engaged 
mentally. 

642
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,880
And they, you know, they 
probably should have lost that 

643
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,240
game, but they pulled it out at 
the very end here. 

644
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,040
They're coming off a win against
Wisconsin where they didn't play

645
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,960
great, but they played well 
enough to win. 

646
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,520
And all you needed to do was 
kind of copy and paste the 

647
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,280
defensive effort and the overall
mental focus of that game into 

648
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,080
this one. 
And Indiana showed themselves 

649
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,920
unable to do it. 
And it's not like they did it 

650
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,440
against a great opponent, this 
Illinois team. 

651
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,360
I mean, they'll probably get bow
eligible. 

652
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,840
They're only one win away. 
But it's a, it's a it's a team 

653
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,840
that took a step back and for 
them to not even have their 

654
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:43,040
starting quarterback out there 
and allow this amount of 

655
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,120
offensive performance on the 
part of Illinois, it just you 

656
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,800
have to ask questions about like
what is the preparation? 

657
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,760
Like what is the approach? 
Why is Indiana constantly 

658
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,440
struggling? 
To get up for games like this, 

659
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,200
when this entire program is 
supposed to be built off of 

660
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,800
emotion, you would think this 
would be when Indiana has the 

661
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,400
most emotion, not when Indiana 
would struggle to do the basics.

662
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,600
And I don't think that the 
answer is, oh, they were too 

663
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,080
emotional because they weren't 
like, look out there that this 

664
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,000
was, this was like a pure 
breakdown of basic tactical and 

665
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,239
strategic approaches. 
And it was the coaches as much 

666
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,480
as it was the players. 
Like it wasn't, you know, I 

667
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,239
don't think it was like just, 
you know, well, gosh, that they 

668
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,880
were calling a great game. 
They weren't. 

669
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,920
I mean there were plenty of 
problems with the way the game 

670
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,239
was called and some of the 
strategy taking a time out on a 

671
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,440
two point attempt when it didn't
really matter. 

672
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,600
I mean stuff like that. 
I mean that stuff was still 

673
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,239
there but it was also that 
unfortunately the secondary in 

674
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,120
particular was just not 
executing and and that ended up 

675
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,440
being the death knell for the 
season. 

676
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,040
Yes, yes. 
And you know not to take too 

677
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,080
wide of a lens because we'll 
have time for this but you you 

678
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,880
mentioned Wilson. 
I've been you know breaking down

679
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,440
the number of wins that Allen 
needs in this three-year stretch

680
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,000
to to match other coaches worst 
three-year stretches. 

681
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,600
You know Wilson had five Big Ten
wins from 2011 to 2013 a not a 

682
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,760
great stretch. 
So Allen's going to need three 

683
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,520
more Big Ten wins to to to beat 
that. 

684
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,000
Not going to be able to do it. 
He can match A5. 

685
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,360
You know, Allen now is 3 and 22 
in Big 10 play over three years.

686
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,760
He's got two more to get to at 
least tie Wilson. 

687
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,960
But you know that the larger 
view of this is, you know, just 

688
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,520
like this Illinois game isn't 
just an outlier for this year on

689
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,600
the defense. 
This year's defense isn't an 

690
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,040
outlier like you're you're 
mentioning, you know, this team 

691
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,200
was supposed to be built on, you
know, emotion and really it was 

692
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,400
supposed to be built on defense.
Like that was the whole calling 

693
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,720
card. 
The last three years our defense

694
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:36,520
has been awful. 
So it's not just a well, you 

695
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,440
know, something happened this 
year, your new coordinate. 

696
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,200
No, this has been a a bad trend 
and it does always beg to answer

697
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,320
that question of like what what 
is the identity of this team? 

698
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,440
Because it doesn't, as you 
mentioned, doesn't seem to be 

699
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,960
emotion or playing with passion 
or getting up for the right 

700
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,040
games. 
That's not, it doesn't seem to 

701
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,720
be defense and I wouldn't say 
anybody's like, well, this is 

702
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:57,440
definitely an offensive 
explosion team. 

703
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,360
It's not there outside of this 
Illinois game. 

704
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,560
So it does just kind of beg the 
question, you know, what is the 

705
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640
identity of this team? 
But that's we will have more 

706
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,320
time to go a little bit bigger 
picture. 

707
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,720
But that is, those are the 
things stewing in my mind 

708
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,480
because, yeah, you know, as you 
look out the rest of this year, 

709
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,720
you still have, you know, you 
still have two not bowl games 

710
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,280
that you have, you know, trophy 
games, you have the Michigan 

711
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,880
State game, you have the Purdue 
game. 

712
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,360
Obviously both of them are 
struggling teams. 

713
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,960
They're both games that are 
winnable. 

714
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,320
But it it does beg the question,
Galen, of like what? 

715
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,040
This is a tough spot because if 
you win one of those two, which 

716
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,000
seems like it could very well be
a possibility of going like 1:00

717
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,080
and 1:00, you've now matched 
whatever you did last year. 

718
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,480
You know, from a record 
perspective, is that is that 

719
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,000
good enough? 
Like even if you get both of 

720
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,640
them, you've won three of your 
last four, but you've only 

721
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,840
increased by one win. 
Like you're making very small 

722
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,640
incremental gains. 
I I know we'll have time at the 

723
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,800
end of the season, but it's just
at this point you do kind of 

724
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,520
look at it as like what this is 
a I'm going to be very 

725
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,600
interested to see how they wrap 
this up because it's like there 

726
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,200
isn't a ton to play for, but 
there is because it's like, are 

727
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,080
you going to be worse than last 
year, the same or incrementally 

728
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,920
better? 
None of them are really good 

729
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,400
answers. 
But I I think if you just, if 

730
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,800
they don't, if they're not able 
to come up for any of the final 

731
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,960
two games, you know it's it's 
going to be even more concerning

732
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,120
than it is now. 
Well, I think, and this was 

733
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,040
brought up by one of our friends
of the show, and I think it's a 

734
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,000
good point, I mean. 
One of the problems I think that

735
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,240
Indiana's going to run into down
the stretch potentially is that 

736
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,240
the the defense is full of 
transfers. 

737
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,040
I mean, you know, so you got two
rivalry games the rest of the 

738
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,760
way. 
The season's largely over. 

739
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,600
You have to win both games to 
even have an outside shot at an 

740
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,120
APR bowl. 
And for those who don't know 

741
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,640
what I'm talking about, there's 
always more bowl spots than 

742
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,560
there are eligible bowl teams 
and so. 

743
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,360
The NCAA has this calculus where
based on your academic progress 

744
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,920
report, you could potentially 
slide into one of those empty 

745
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,720
slots as a five and seven team 
if you have the you know if 

746
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:04,360
you're good in the APRI don't 
know what the rankings are. 

747
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,440
I'll look that up real quick 
here. 

748
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:11,440
But the problem is a lot of this
defensive group is either brand 

749
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,160
new to the team because they're 
freshmen or they're brand new to

750
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,200
the team because they're 
transfers. 

751
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,360
There's a ton of transfers in 
here. 

752
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,800
I don't know how engaged that 
group as a whole is really going

753
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,080
to be over the course of these 
last two games. 

754
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,280
I mean, and I'm not questioning 
their dedication, but I just, 

755
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,080
you don't have that kind of 
ingrained. 

756
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,920
Like from the moment we got 
here, we got to win the Splatoon

757
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,120
and we got to win the bucket. 
I don't know how much that's 

758
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,840
actually there. 
I also worry because you look at

759
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,960
these two teams that Indiana's 
playing, I mean Michigan State, 

760
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,040
while they are, they look dead 
on arrival. 

761
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,600
They did manage to beat. 
Nebraska a couple of weeks ago 

762
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,280
and they can show a pulse when 
they need to. 

763
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,080
Yeah, when they need to. 
And I don't know if anybody 

764
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,120
noticed, but Purdue offensively 
looked real good against 

765
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,640
Minnesota yesterday. 
They put 49 points up, I think 

766
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,720
it was. 
You look at Indiana's defensive 

767
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:06,880
performance against Illinois and
it's like, wow, at Ross Aid. 

768
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,000
You know the one thing Purdue 
could do this year that would 

769
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,440
kind of salvage their season? 
That's going to be a really 

770
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,920
tough game. 
I don't think you can bank on 

771
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,360
that at all And so it is, it's a
bad situation. 

772
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,520
I think that a lot of you know 
and what you worry about. 

773
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,960
I think psychologically with the
team you lose a game like this 

774
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,880
the way that you lose it you're 
it's going to have a knock on 

775
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,160
effect where you're going to 
struggle to get up for that next

776
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,800
game or those next couple of 
games. 

777
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,800
You get guys who are just like, 
you know, man, I'd I'd really 

778
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,960
just like this season to be 
over. 

779
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,480
This has kind of been a season 
from hell. 

780
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,960
It really is a bad scenario for 
Indiana going down the stretch 

781
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,120
here the rest of the way. 
And I do worry about how they're

782
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,520
going to react as we go into 
this Michigan State game and 

783
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,920
beyond. 
Yeah. 

784
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,200
Well, I mean, I guess using my 
logic of like back against the 

785
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,280
wall, like APR Bowl is like as, 
as close to the back against the

786
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,440
wall as you can get. 
Like there's no more, there's 

787
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,040
really no more options after 
that. 

788
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,000
But no, it's it's tough to, you 
know, this is always the trouble

789
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,960
of, you know, coaching on 
emotion or vibes, as you say, is

790
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,280
it. 
It's tough every week to be 

791
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,080
like, all right now we're in 
playoff mode and you went. 

792
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,560
Like once you're out of playoff 
mode, Alright, well now we're 

793
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,040
in, you know, now we're in 
Splatoon mode or now we're in, 

794
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,080
you know, trophy mode. 
It's like you can't keep 

795
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,840
changing the mode. 
And like now we're doing this 

796
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,440
and now we're doing that. 
And I know you're you're right 

797
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,200
about the playing for something.
You know the the podcast they 

798
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,400
did a couple weeks ago with 
Raphael Davis, he he mentioned 

799
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,520
that's kind of what was hurting 
from his view. 

800
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,840
Indiana basketball in in the 
Indiana Purdue game is they had 

801
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,360
so many guys who just weren't 
from Indiana and then the 

802
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,880
coaching staff didn't really, 
you know engage older players. 

803
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,080
And so he's like felt like 
Purdue cared more about it than 

804
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,760
Indiana did And then you know 
that has changed under Woodson. 

805
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,600
You see the results. 
I think it's a very great point 

806
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,920
by you. 
It's like, I don't know. 

807
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,440
Yeah, like all the Splatoon. 
It's like, what's this guy 

808
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,040
talking about? 
Like I'm from, I'm from Florida.

809
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,720
Like I don't. 
OK Sounds great, man. 

810
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,040
It's like I don't know how much 
that you're right, how much it 

811
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,720
really matters. 
How much connection has been 

812
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,360
built up. 
And you can't just turn on the 

813
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,440
interest from a you just can't 
be like, all right, well, now 

814
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,560
we're going to care about the 
bucket. 

815
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,440
It's like, well, if you haven't 
built that over a season, nobody

816
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,080
cares. 
If I've if and. 

817
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,880
I may have the wrong numbers 
here, but I believe Indiana's 

818
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,680
APR ranking that they would use,
and this is through the 2022 

819
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,840
season, is 976, which is tied 
for 45th in the country teams 

820
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,960
ahead of them. 
I mean, I don't, I'd have to go 

821
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,920
back and look at all these 
rankings, but it's not. 

822
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,960
It's not impossible that Indiana
might qualify, but they're 

823
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,440
certainly not high in the 
overall APR ranking set up. 

824
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,200
They're kind of right in the 
middle of the pack, so. 

825
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,720
It may not even be a possibility
as far as this team's concerned.

826
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,320
It certainly won't be a 
possibility if they lose either 

827
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,760
of the remaining two games. 
And at this point, I mean I this

828
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,760
is where you're the one thing 
that I was hesitant on. 

829
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,360
Even though I picked Indiana to 
win the Illinois game, I thought

830
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,040
it'd be a close low scoring 
game. 

831
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,760
I was right about half of that. 
But but you know, Indiana was 

832
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,680
still rated as likely to lose 
that game. 

833
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,000
Now a couple of things I'll I'll
note they are according to. 

834
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:13,440
ESPN Analytics FPI has Indiana 
as a 56% favorite against 

835
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:19,640
Michigan State 56.4 to 43.6. 
But but Indiana is definitely an

836
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,200
underdog statistically to 
Purdue. 

837
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,200
Purdue has a 62 1/2% shot of 
winning that game and so look, I

838
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,240
won't be shocked if they go out 
and beat Michigan State on 

839
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,560
Saturday. 
But I would be really surprised 

840
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,760
if they won both of the games 
down the stretch. 

841
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,600
And at this point it's like, I 
just, I don't know what you look

842
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,120
at with IU and say I can count 
on that thing happening. 

843
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,800
As good as the offense looked in
this Illinois game, it looked 

844
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,400
awful the week before. 
It looked OK, but it was really 

845
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,400
defined by big plays the the 
game before that, and it looked 

846
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,160
awful against Rutgers. 
The game before that, the 

847
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,200
defense looked awful against 
Illinois, looked pretty good 

848
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,320
against Wisconsin, was pretty 
good against Penn State, and 

849
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,400
looked awful against Rutgers. 
It is almost like impossible to 

850
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,520
count on anything when it comes 
to how any aspect of Indiana 

851
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,920
football is going to perform, 
including special teams. 

852
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,600
You know James Evans. 
Had a tremendous game against 

853
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,280
Maryland. 
Had a pretty average game in 

854
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,880
punting. 
You know the return game has 

855
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,840
looked good in some games. 
Had like multiple penalties 

856
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,240
against Illinois that wiped off 
of a big Jalen Lucas return. 

857
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,520
I mean it's there's just such A 
and that really is I think 

858
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,520
ultimately what it comes down 
to. 

859
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,920
Scott, this program is so 
defined by its inconsistency at 

860
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,000
this point. 
And that to me goes right back 

861
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,080
to how the team is structured, 
how the team is being coached, 

862
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,800
how the team is being managed. 
And there at this point in Week 

863
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,360
10 going into or Game 10 going 
into Game 11, there's, I don't 

864
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,840
think there's any fixing that. 
I think that's just who Indiana 

865
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,400
is. 
And if we're being honest, 

866
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,400
that's who Indiana has been for 
almost the last three full 

867
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,160
seasons. 
Yeah, I mean, I was trying to 

868
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,520
think as the game, you know, as 
these games go on, I try and 

869
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,640
think, you know, what are my 
main feelings, 'cause I know 

870
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,480
we're going to pot about it, you
know, as it looked like Indiana 

871
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,320
was going to win, it's like, all
right, you know, positives out 

872
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,360
of the stats and things like 
that. 

873
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,320
But I was you know, my one of my
thoughts was going to be it's 

874
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,120
like it's still going to be 
really hard to just dive in and 

875
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,600
be like, all right now I think 
we can win all four of these and

876
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,360
go to Detroit and win a bull. 
It's like, it's just it it 

877
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,240
there's inconsistencies and it's
like, you know everything. 

878
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:28,920
With the Wisconsin game we 
talked about and even had 

879
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,320
Indiana won that game yesterday,
it's like there was a lot of 

880
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,280
defensive red flags that would 
have scared me about just going 

881
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,920
all in and being like I I have 
faith I'm willing to open my 

882
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,680
guard up and go to the Michigan 
State game and expect to win. 

883
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,560
Everything you said is valid and
it's something that that does 

884
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,920
need to be looked at and 
addressed and taken care of. 

885
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,880
Because unfortunately you know 
what's going to get lost to the 

886
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,600
sands of time is how winnable 
these last four games really 

887
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,000
were. 
That Illinois team is not a team

888
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,560
that should be putting up 600 
yards plus of offense. 

889
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,920
Michigan State is not having a 
good season. 

890
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,240
Purdue, while we're not favored 
to beat them, is also not having

891
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,640
a good season. 
This is as soft an end to a Big 

892
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,080
10 season I I can remember us 
having for for years. 

893
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:19,960
I mean this broke perfectly for 
us after year of year of the Big

894
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,040
10 not breaking Well for us 
schedule wise, this really broke

895
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,200
perfectly even throw the Rutgers
game in there. 

896
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,360
It's not like Rutgers or 
something. 

897
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,600
They didn't what didn't score 
against Iowa last week. 

898
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,600
It's not like Rutgers or 
something like we're just kind 

899
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,640
of like that's what's 
frustrating with this is this 

900
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,720
stuff just kind of gets rolled 
away. 

901
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:36,120
It's like oh, who's going to be 
Rutgers home? 

902
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,560
Like we should have like that's 
who should have won. 

903
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,600
Like this is a, you know, you 
again you can't just say we'll 

904
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,200
give us all those wins but like 
you win these four, you you add 

905
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,480
the Rutgers win in there like 
it's A7 win team. 

906
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,360
Like that's that's what we call 
a good season around here in 

907
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,640
Bloomington. 
And that that really wasn't a 

908
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,920
bridge. 
It should not have been a bridge

909
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,240
too far for a coach at this 
point, for what he's done and 

910
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,040
what he's shown to be able to 
do. 

911
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,600
But it's all going to get washed
away and just this is another 

912
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,480
just garbage three or four win 
season. 

913
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,320
And it's frustrating because 
it's like, no, there really was 

914
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,280
a lot more on the table here. 
And you know, we always joke 

915
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,600
about why can't things just 
break our way for a season. 

916
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,600
It's like, like I said, the 
schedule did kind of break for 

917
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,800
us this year and it was there to
go get a six or seven win season

918
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,520
with a team that probably isn't 
a six or seven win team. 

919
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,920
But you could have snuck your 
way in there and and they just 

920
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,720
didn't capitalize on any of 
that. 

921
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,400
Yeah. 
No, it's it's a real shame. 

922
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,680
And I mean, at the end of the 
day, you've got the micro, which

923
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,640
is what you just described, and 
you've got the macro, which is 

924
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,720
that in the last 25 games that 
Indiana's played in the Big 10. 

925
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:48,120
They're 3 and 22 now, and that's
not going to get her done. 

926
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,320
They've they've lost those games
by an average margin of 35 to 16

927
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,840
now, and that's with scoring 45 
points against Illinois. 

928
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,400
And the three wins are a six 
point win against Wisconsin, an 

929
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,400
8 point double overtime win 
against Michigan State, and a 

930
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,440
three-point win against 
Illinois. 

931
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,800
That's the only games that 
Indiana's won. 

932
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,360
In their last 25 in conference 
and you look at the results of 

933
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,240
this Illinois game and the way 
it went down and you can kind of

934
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:17,680
see why. 
So anyway, so Indiana goes into 

935
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,840
these last couple of games and 
we'll see what happens. 

936
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,000
Obviously there are trophy games
on the line here and and you 

937
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,440
know, one hopes that Indiana's 
able to, you know, pull it 

938
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,120
together and at the very least 
be able to do some damage 

939
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,840
against the Michigan State team 
that well, you know, certainly 

940
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,640
we acknowledge that they are. 
A potentially tough opponent. 

941
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,400
Realistically, it's it's a bad 
Michigan State team. 

942
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,800
It's a team that that 
statistically has just dropped 

943
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,120
off a Cliff since the start of 
the season. 

944
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,760
Not surprising given the 
upheaval at the head coach 

945
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,760
position. 
But I would be concerned if I 

946
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,120
was Indiana because you know, at
the end of it all, I just, you 

947
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,440
know that your team's got real 
mentality issues and and you 

948
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,200
know where where it's going to 
be interesting I think for 

949
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,400
Michigan State is. 
Their Their big problem this 

950
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,280
year has been their offense. 
You know, you look over the 

951
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,360
course of the games they've 
played since Big 10 play 

952
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,800
started. 
They scored nine against 

953
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,440
Maryland, 16 against Iowa, 24 
against Rutgers, zero against 

954
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,960
Michigan, 12 against Minnesota, 
20 against Nebraska, and then 

955
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,200
three against Ohio State. 
But it's also important to note 

956
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,040
that they were leading that 
Rutgers game in the fourth 

957
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,360
quarter, and it was at Rutgers. 
And Rutgers has been a pretty 

958
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,280
good team so far this year. 
It's not improbable or it's not 

959
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,920
impossible. 
I guess that Michigan State 

960
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,240
could come in and do some 
damage. 

961
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,400
So Indiana still with some work 
to do put a little pride on the 

962
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,320
end of the season and then I 
guess we'll see what happens 

963
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,160
moving forward. 
And and again, I do like the 

964
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,640
fact that they seem to have a 
starting quarterback in Brendan 

965
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,240
Soresby and it and I think at 
this point it's like your goal 

966
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,480
has to be get Brendan Soresby as
many reps, doing as many things 

967
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,120
as possible, get the offensive 
line reps so that they continue 

968
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,680
to gel as a unit. 
You know, continue to feed 

969
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,280
Donovan Mccully the football. 
Because so far it doesn't seem 

970
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,960
like when you target him, teams 
can effectively cover him. 

971
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,080
Especially not teams in this 
echelon, you know, not the not 

972
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,120
the Ohio State's and Michigan's,
but the Illinois and the 

973
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,680
Michigan State's and the 
Wisconsin's. 

974
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,280
And just, you know, you've got 
two games left. 

975
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,080
They're both trophy games. 
Win those games. 

976
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,120
And I guess we figure out what 
happens moving forward from 

977
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,680
there. 
You can build into an offseason 

978
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,640
like you haven't been able to do
for a couple of years. 

979
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,680
You know going into 2021 you had
Pennex, but there's a lot of 

980
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,840
questions about his health. 
Going into 2022, you had a, you 

981
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,400
know you you had Baselack as a, 
you know, starting transfer 

982
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,480
quarterback. 
I'm not picking the quarterbacks

983
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,840
in important spots of looking at
that. 

984
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,760
And then going into this year, 
it's like you you finish season 

985
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,640
with Dexter Williams. 
He gets injured last year. 

986
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,760
You come into this year with 
obviously the the battle we've 

987
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:45,880
joked about. 
You know, this could be the 

988
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,000
first time in three years if, if
you like, continue to give 

989
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,240
Soresby some reps, continue to 
kind of build out the framework 

990
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,800
of an offense around what 
Soresby can do. 

991
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,720
You know, you you go into next 
year with really the first time 

992
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:03,080
in four years of, you know, we 
know what our plan is. 

993
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,600
We have an identity. 
We have a quarterback to lead 

994
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,880
this team. 
We have a wide receiver like you

995
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,800
have some pieces there that are 
interesting. 

996
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,280
And so now is the time to go 
build, start building that 

997
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,520
framework, and start kind of 
building toward next year. 

998
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,040
So we'll we'll be back later on 
this week, and it'll be a kind 

999
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,440
of a weird setup next weekend as
we'll, Scott and I will likely 

1000
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,800
be doing a postgame pod together
in person. 

1001
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,040
New York from an undisclosed 
location which might be the the 

1002
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,560
largest city in the United 
States. 

1003
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,320
So we'll, I think we can say New
York without like giving away 

1004
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,560
where we're going to join to be 
as long. 

1005
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,000
You know, maybe we maybe we'll 
pop up in Dallas. 

1006
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:42,960
I don't know. 
I mean, we don't. 

1007
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,680
They've invited us to the 
College Football Playoff 

1008
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:46,320
committee. 
No. 

1009
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,440
So, but anyway, we appreciate 
all you folks for tuning in and 

1010
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,720
listening. 
And unfortunately, another IU 

1011
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:59,280
season without a bowl. 
Unless something magical happens

1012
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,560
with the APR, we have to keep 
out a slim amount of hope that 

1013
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,640
that might happen. 
So I gotta, I gotta wrap up with

1014
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:05,000
this. 
Sorry. 

1015
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,320
Just I'm going to cut in at the 
end here. 

1016
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,640
I got to give the neighborhood 
update. 

1017
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,920
This is just because it's been 
such fodder on the pod 

1018
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,680
yesterday. 
I could you wanted to podcast a 

1019
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,320
little early yesterday which 
sometimes we try and reschedule 

1020
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,480
these things. 
I couldn't because we were we 

1021
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,960
had a hard cider around the 
neighborhood and we were playing

1022
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,000
yard games which was fun but so 
that's why I sent you a couple 

1023
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,400
of audio messages just like here
if you want to do a pod, like I 

1024
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,920
just like walked away while 
we're playing you know can jam 

1025
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,400
and I'm just like yelling into 
my phone. 

1026
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,120
Well I'm like 70% drunk on cider
and I got I got progressively 

1027
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,280
more drunk and worse at can jam 
today. 

1028
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,080
People love our we are doing a 
neighborhood. 

1029
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,400
We do this yearly a neighborhood
chili cook off. 

1030
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,080
So we all go to one of our 
neighbor's house. 

1031
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,320
Everyone brings a chili. 
This is the first year we're 

1032
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,000
having a kids competition of 
chili and we have we have prizes

1033
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,040
awards a leaderboard. 
So my wife made a fantastic 

1034
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,600
we've been kind of perfecting 
over the last couple of weeks 

1035
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,440
made it chili. 
We're trying something new this 

1036
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,320
year where we are a different 
recipe but we are she made it 

1037
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,240
yesterday has it sitting in the 
fridge to kind of like ferment 

1038
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,600
and try and you know hopefully 
get some of the the flavors in. 

1039
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,800
But yes it's it's chili cook off
day here in the neighborhood. 

1040
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,000
That's what do you. 
OK? 

1041
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,120
What's your chili recipe? 
I'm curious so our go to for a 

1042
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,080
couple years was a white chili, 
a white chicken chili, which I 

1043
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,440
love but it it didn't it didn't 
win. 

1044
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,720
So we were seeing you know we we
we started to do some scouting 

1045
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,200
as the Harbaugh would do. 
We started seeing what was 

1046
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,760
winning and it seemed to be the 
the more like tomatoey based 

1047
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,000
meteor chilies. 
I'm more on the connoisseur 

1048
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,240
eating side and the making side.
So maybe this is where we might 

1049
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:40,960
need to bring Marcy in to do 
like the chili corner maybe 

1050
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,440
that's more premium that would 
that may not be great premium 

1051
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,880
kind of kick our premium people 
off, but it's it's more like a 

1052
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,960
lot of meat sausage kind of 
tomato based you know more 

1053
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,560
seasoned. 
So we're trying that last year 

1054
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,680
somebody made one with Doctor 
Pepper as a base and that one, 

1055
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,800
you know? 
Doctor Pepper. 

1056
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,840
Those who aren't watching, 
you've missed the disdain on 

1057
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,600
Scott's. 
Case as he said that just like 

1058
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,560
it's like they cheated but they 
won. 

1059
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,680
That's tremendous. 
It's like, it's like watching 

1060
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,840
Iowa win a Big 10 championship 
with their style of football. 

1061
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,400
That's the equivalent of using 
Doctor Pepper as a chili base, 

1062
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,840
right. 
It's, it's not something, yeah, 

1063
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,680
it seems a little bit out there,
but yeah, so that's kind of 

1064
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,760
that's that that's that's what 
we're going with this year. 

1065
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,440
So we'll see him. 
Well. 

1066
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,480
Best of luck to you all. 
I'm I'm fascinated. 

1067
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,760
I mean, I've never had Wagyu 
chili before but I'm sure it 

1068
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,880
will be delightful for you in 
the neighborhood. 

1069
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,440
But real quick though, before we
break up for for the pod for 

1070
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,000
this podcast, we're not breaking
up forever. 

1071
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,240
I promise. 
But I'm sorry Scott, I I was 

1072
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:48,920
saving this until now. 
But Indiana played their first 

1073
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,640
game this past week in 
basketball. 

1074
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,800
Men's basketball. 
They they, of course, struggle a

1075
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,360
little bit. 
Against Florida Gulf Coast but 

1076
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,880
they end up winning that game. 
They play their second game 

1077
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,400
later on this evening as they 
take on Army first time 

1078
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,480
Indiana's actually played 
against the service Academy 

1079
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,880
which which was an interesting I
yeah, I was shocked that army 

1080
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,800
all the years under night they 
never played army once. 

1081
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,920
So and our our buddy IU 
artifacts actually texted the 

1082
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,600
group yesterday that Indiana 
never played Army. 

1083
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,480
But they did invite Mike 
Schefsky's army to come play in 

1084
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:27,400
the Indiana Classic I think back
in 1977 or 78 so Army has played

1085
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,080
in Assembly Hall before but they
haven't played Indiana. 

1086
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,760
The Army lost that year to 
Washington. 

1087
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,120
So but you know the Army 
probably the weakest opponent 

1088
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,480
that Indiana's going to face in 
the non conference they're 

1089
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,920
they're pretty bad and but you 
know so we're I'm not too 

1090
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,480
worried they've already lost to 
Marist and Stonehill. 

1091
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,880
So far this season they're 
they're very bad offensive team.

1092
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:58,480
But let me, let me, I guess 
start off by asking you your 

1093
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,400
reflections from that Florida 
Gulf Coast game now that we've 

1094
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,840
had a few days to digest it. 
I was. 

1095
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,120
I I still feel the same way that
I did during the game. 

1096
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,440
I I was very encouraged with 
what I saw. 

1097
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,560
And I think you and I are kind 
of simpatico in what we are 

1098
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,560
looking for this season that you
know, at A at a high scale of 

1099
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,280
this team is going to be I I've 
said this for a while, they're 

1100
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,480
going to be better and different
in March than they are now and 

1101
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,240
it's going to take some time to 
get there. 

1102
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,160
And I think this was a perfect 
example of it that, you know, 

1103
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,840
you saw some corners of the fan 
base like, Oh my God, like they 

1104
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:29,840
looked horrible. 
They weren't ready. 

1105
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,440
And it's like, well, that that's
part of the process of getting 

1106
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,040
better in March than it does 
now. 

1107
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,680
Like there's going to be some 
bumps. 

1108
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,880
There's going to be sometimes we
don't look fantastic, but my 

1109
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,680
takeaways are looking for the 
areas where I think you can 

1110
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,000
really improve and like where 
are there things. 

1111
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,520
And you know to me Khalil Ware 
was great on defense. 

1112
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,880
You know he had a couple of 
tremendous blocks. 

1113
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,840
But you know after that you saw 
got you guys saw from Florida 

1114
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,640
Gulf Coast, they drive in and 
just immediately like turn 

1115
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,640
around like they like he he 
started to affect the game in 

1116
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,040
the post. 
We also just had, you know I was

1117
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,920
saying to somebody else like 
just a lot of dudes like 

1118
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,080
McKenzie, Mimbako and Anthony 
Walker, you know just and and 

1119
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,680
you know and where. 
But like a lot of just big 

1120
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,320
athletic, long guys we knew were
going to be there. 

1121
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,520
They didn't have awesome games 
and yes offensively needs to be 

1122
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,760
worked on, but defensively they 
were there. 

1123
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,640
They were making it just look 
like just such a different team 

1124
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,920
than we've seen the last couple 
of years And it does. 

1125
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,640
I I truly believe our ceiling is
much higher than it's been the 

1126
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,880
last couple years. 
I do think our floor is also 

1127
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,920
lower. 
Whether we can get there is 

1128
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,160
going to be interesting. 
I thought Gabe Cubs played 

1129
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,000
really well when he was in 
there. 

1130
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,680
There was. 
So that that was kind of my very

1131
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,360
high level take away is yes. 
At times it didn't look pretty. 

1132
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,560
At times there were things that 
didn't look great. 

1133
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,440
But to me, it's like that is, I 
think that's what we're going to

1134
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,600
see for probably the next month 
to month and a half. 

1135
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,120
And there's going to be some 
losses. 

1136
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,160
You and I are going to New York.
We're probably going to lose to 

1137
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,200
UConn. 
I'm not going to be happy about 

1138
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,120
it in the moment, but I do think
this is where people need to 

1139
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,440
realize that this is what's so 
different about this team versus

1140
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,400
the last couple years is the 
last couple years you kind of 

1141
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,480
came in with a fully formed unit
and identity. 

1142
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,800
They knew what they were going 
to do. 

1143
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,840
This team is going to be 
figuring it out. 

1144
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,040
But there are flashes of parts 
where you're like, what? 

1145
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,200
I mean, it's not the best 
example, but this last week was 

1146
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,480
also the week I saw Victor 
Wimbunyama play in person in at 

1147
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,320
Gambridge against the Pacers and
he didn't have a great game. 

1148
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,680
But there was two or three 
moments from it's like wow, like

1149
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,080
whoa, that is something I 
haven't seen before. 

1150
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,200
And you know, I, I, I look at 
the same thing with Indiana. 

1151
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,600
It's like I just saw us doing 
things offensively and 

1152
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,120
defensively. 
I just haven't seen the last 

1153
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,440
couple of years. 
And so I to me all those 

1154
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,760
reasons, I was very I looked at 
the positives. 

1155
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,240
Maybe I'm trying to, maybe I'm 
too pollyannish, but that that's

1156
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,840
how I viewed that game and I'm 
going to try and view the next 

1157
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,320
month, a month and 1/2. 
I agree. 

1158
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,880
I mean a couple of things. 
First of all, we talked before 

1159
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,640
the season. 
This was not going to be a team 

1160
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,400
that hit the ground running at 
full speed. 

1161
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,040
At the beginning in November, if
you thought that, I don't know 

1162
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,520
why I really, other than just 
not paying attention, but but I 

1163
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,440
I do know there are people like 
that. 

1164
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,520
They don't pay attention to any 
of the preseason stuff. 

1165
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,440
And then they're shocked when 
the players from last year 

1166
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,800
aren't on the team anymore. 
It's it's a race. 

1167
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:23,560
Where is he? 
In the. 

1168
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,040
But I'll say this, a couple of 
things stuck out to me A. 

1169
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,120
Khalil. 
Khalil Ware. 

1170
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,680
It's not Khalil. 
It's Khalil. 

1171
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,320
We've we've been corrected on 
this. 

1172
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,400
My apologies. 
It's also apparently Xavier 

1173
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,040
Johnson, so my apologies as 
well. 

1174
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,320
We're. 
I'm going to try to fix that. 

1175
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,360
Scott is freaked right now. 
You should see his face. 

1176
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,600
Oh yeah. 
I'm just going to start. 

1177
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,920
Yeah, but. 
Khalil Ware did hit the ground 

1178
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,480
running. 
I mean eight for 12 from the 

1179
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,560
free throw line was you know it 
was it only took. 5 total shots 

1180
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,360
he was. 
He was 2 for five, hit a three, 

1181
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,360
had 12 rebounds, had four 
assists, had three blocks. 

1182
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,760
I mean, yes, it was Florida Gulf
Coast, a small team. 

1183
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,520
He had at least a four inch 
height advantage over every 

1184
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,880
player except Andre Ware who 
came in off the bench. 

1185
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:13,240
But to to hear all offseason how
Khalil Ware was low motor, how 

1186
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,400
he was lazy, how he was 
disengaged and to watch him play

1187
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,960
that way, I was really 
encouraged and look. 

1188
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,760
As much as I'm not going to jump
negatively on things that I see 

1189
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,480
in first games and and get 
overwrought over them, I'm also 

1190
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,240
not going to jump on things that
are overly positive and say see,

1191
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,120
I told you, but that was nice to
see against a team that's not 

1192
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,320
bad. 
I mean that's a Florida Gulf 

1193
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,560
Coast team that could certainly 
win their conference. 

1194
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,440
That's certainly going to be a 
force to be reckoned with. 

1195
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,760
I think, you know, down the 
stretch and I think they're in 

1196
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,120
the Atlantic Sun, yes they are. 
I I OK, good. 

1197
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,880
I I memorized that, but it was 
nice. 

1198
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,320
But to watch him come out and 
play well was good. 

1199
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,480
I I was great seeing Xavier 
Johnson back on the floor. 

1200
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,120
Did he have his best offensive 
game? 

1201
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,720
No, but it was fine. 
And I thought Trey Galloway 

1202
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,120
looked really good throughout 
the course of the game. 

1203
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,160
You know, Imbacco certainly 
needs some time to adapt to the 

1204
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,920
college game. 
It was just nice to see him out 

1205
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,040
there in uniform, even if he 
didn't play that much in the 

1206
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,760
second-half. 
It was great to see Mike Woodson

1207
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,800
saying, you know what, we're 
making an alteration here. 

1208
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,240
We're going with a three guard 
line up down the stretch as 

1209
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,400
opposed to, oh, we have to play 
Imbaco because he's a 5 star. 

1210
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,280
And I'm worried about our 
reputation like it was. 

1211
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,320
No, it's like, hey, you know 
what? 

1212
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,800
Gabe Cups as a third guard is 
going to give us a better chance

1213
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,760
to win down the stretch. 
So I'm going to go with that. 

1214
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,600
I what I found fascinating was 
as much talk about depth as 

1215
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,480
happened in the offseason. 
In this game, at least, Indiana 

1216
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,240
really only played seven guys in
double figures in terms of 

1217
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,120
minutes. 
I mean, CJ Gunn played 9 

1218
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,400
minutes. 
It's kind of on the borderline. 

1219
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,560
But even then, it's like that's 
eight guys and that's kind of 

1220
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,760
what we talked about, Scott. 
Like the idea that Indiana 

1221
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,440
needed to run 10 deep, I think 
was always a weird perspective 

1222
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,200
because a lot of teams do really
well when they are focused on 

1223
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,040
having a smaller number of 
players playing the minutes. 

1224
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:06,920
And I was encouraged, I think, 
by the fact that Indiana didn't 

1225
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,760
try to force extra pieces out on
the floor. 

1226
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,680
Now when Peyton Sparks comes 
back, that might change a little

1227
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,680
bit. 
Or it might just mean that, you 

1228
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,320
know what? 
Hey, Anthony Walker, Caleb 

1229
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,960
Banks, CJ Gunn, you're all 
competing for a smaller number 

1230
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,760
of minutes or maybe not even 
playing, which is kind of what 

1231
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,600
you want out of your 789 guys. 
Like you want them to really 

1232
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,680
maximize the time that they're 
out on the floor and realize 

1233
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,240
that if they don't, someone else
will. 

1234
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,800
I mean, Woodson, it felt like in
the post game press conference 

1235
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,920
was even setting that up by 
saying you know, Imbaco, CJ 

1236
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,120
Gunn, Caleb Banks, these guys 
got a score like like they've 

1237
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,240
got to go out and do things 
because if they don't, someone 

1238
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,000
will, someone else will. 
And so I I think that's that's 

1239
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,680
what I took away that I was 
pleased with. 

1240
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,400
I'm concerned again about the 
free throw shooting. 

1241
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,480
You know Indiana end up shooting
63% which is better than it was 

1242
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,480
looking for a lot of the game. 
But I that's still baffling that

1243
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,600
Indiana is still struggling from
that perspective. 

1244
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,400
But for this game, I was pleased
with what I saw overall. 

1245
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,280
I was pleased with the fact that
Indiana held their turnovers to 

1246
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,720
under 20% given how many new 
faces were in the roster or in 

1247
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,720
the in the line up for the game.
And it's something to build on. 

1248
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,800
They got two games coming up 
this week. 

1249
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,840
Obviously Army, who's not that 
great, and then Wright State, 

1250
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,760
who could cause some problems, 
although they already they kind 

1251
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,240
of look bad on defense. 
They got obliterated by Colorado

1252
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,560
State on Friday. 
They let up 105 points, but but 

1253
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,320
look, we'll see as we move 
forward. 

1254
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,680
It's been a weird start to the 
college basketball year so far, 

1255
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,680
Scott. 
I mean, Michigan State losing. 

1256
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,640
Michigan State's averaging like 
6.25% from 3 / 2 games. 

1257
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,440
You know, we've seen a lot of 
upsets. 

1258
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,720
There's a lot of parity in 
college basketball right now. 

1259
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,120
There's a lot of big names that 
aren't quite bringing it as of 

1260
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,960
yet. 
Maryland losing to Davidson, 

1261
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,000
Illinois struggling with Oakland
for about 30 minutes in that 

1262
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,200
game. 
So I'm I'm pleased that Indiana 

1263
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:06,840
didn't stumble over that issue 
that they faced in in in the 

1264
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,040
Florida Gulf Coast game and 
Florida Gulf Coast having a late

1265
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,480
lead. 
And I think there's plenty to 

1266
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,160
build on. 
And that's kind of all I'm 

1267
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,720
taking away from things up to 
this point. 

1268
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:15,480
Agreed. 
I mean that was a game that you 

1269
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,120
could have loving that Indiana 
win the 19 to two run to finish 

1270
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,280
the game and kind of when it got
to you know scary like Oh my 

1271
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,960
God, are we gonna lose the 
Florida Gulf Coast time. 

1272
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,600
They they did what they had to 
do and yeah it's I'm it's not 

1273
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,960
like this is the you know the 
the the highlight of the season 

1274
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,520
but I'm with you. 
I see a lot of good things. 

1275
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,480
The one last thing I'll say when
they went down six in the 

1276
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,520
second-half, they won the game 
with defense and and and the 

1277
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,680
length and the athleticism that 
this team has that they can 

1278
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,000
throw at teams. 
I mean, it worked against 

1279
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,280
Florida Gulf Coast until the 
very end and it'll it'll work 

1280
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:49,960
against other teams. 
I mean that's going to have to 

1281
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,800
be the calling card of this team
for a while while they figure 

1282
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,560
out the offensive end of things.
We talked about that before this

1283
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,520
game. 
It'll continue to be this way 

1284
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,880
after this game and after the 
game that they play today, so. 

1285
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,520
You held the team to under one 
point per possession, which is 

1286
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,720
really, really good. 
If you can do that every game 

1287
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,040
you're you're in a really good 
spot and again the the opponents

1288
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,000
get tougher, but I think this 
team is going to continue to get

1289
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,400
better. 
I you know the things I'd like 

1290
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,000
to see. 
They only shot 30% from three. 

1291
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,440
I would again, it's baffling 
that we just cannot shoot from 

1292
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,000
three. 
I'd like to see a shoot, you 

1293
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,000
know, a little bit more than 13 
threes a game. 

1294
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,120
But that said, you look like 
Michigan State where there's 

1295
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,840
they shot like what, one for 20.
It's like they shot more and 

1296
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,760
didn't do much. 
So you know there there is a 

1297
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,840
calculus here of like if you're 
just not great at shooting 

1298
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,240
threes. 
Maybe you just don't shoot more 

1299
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,560
threes, but I would like to see 
us somehow get closer to A to a 

1300
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,720
normal 3 point percentage and 
taking a couple more. 

1301
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,760
But you held, you held Florida 
Gulf Coast to 38% from three 

1302
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,080
even the shot 34 of them. 
So, yeah. 

1303
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,800
Anyway, all right, that'll wrap 
it up for us on this show. 

1304
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,040
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1305
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:53,960
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1306
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,680
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1307
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,520
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1308
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,800
They will be covering the 
aftermath of Indiana, Stanford 

1309
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,280
and women's basketball later on 
today. 

1310
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,440
Best of luck to IU men's soccer 
as they play for a Big 10 

1311
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,480
championship this afternoon. 
And best of luck to IU 

1312
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,440
basketball this evening. 
For Scott, I'm Galen, This is 

1313
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:11,600
Crimson Cast. 
We'll catch you folks. 

1314
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,680
On the flip side, bring back the
Bison. 

1315
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:14,360
So everybody.