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All right, big day for IU basketball and a really happy
day for IU basketball. And somewhere Scott Van Pelt is
sad as Indiana men and Indiana women sweep Maryland Terrapins
basketball. The Indiana women wrap up a 15
and three season and a tie for second place in the Big 10
Conference with the Win Today reports of their demise
premature and greatly exaggerated and outside of a
little bit of a scare with Mackenzie Holmes going down with
what looked like a slight injury, she came back out of the
locker room looked like she was OK.
The women tie for second place in the Big 10 behind Ohio State
and if the seating holds to form, they'll take on Iowa once
again in the semi final. So we wish them the best of luck
as they move forward into the Big 10 tournament.
Which actually, believe it or not, Scott starts in the middle
of this upcoming week. We're already in conference
tournament play time, men also in action, and man, that was a
bizarre game. They traveled to Maryland, a
team that they I think you could make an argument that the win
that they had earlier this year against Maryland at home might
have been their best game, that they played against a team with
a pulse so far this year. They had a big lead.
They kind of let a little bit of the lead get away at the end in
that one. And then today it looked like
things were going in entirely the opposite direction.
They looked listless and lifeless in that first half.
They they allowed a couple of big runs.
They got down I think by 14 or 16 points at one point early in
the second-half and then IU just could not miss from the field.
They just they could not miss and I think at one point they
hit eleven shots in a row, they hit 12 to 13.
They finished the game shooting 8382% from the free throw line,
which is shocking. They finished the game shooting
44% from 3. Maryland, who's a really good
defensive team by every metric, absolutely could not stop
Indiana on offense in the second-half.
Indiana ends up winning the game 83 to 78.
They get a big game out of Mackenzie and Bako who has 24
points on 8 of 15 shooting, 4 for four from the free throw
line really coming into his own. Offensively, they get some
really good play out of Malik Renew, despite the fact that
someone tried to prevent Malik Renew from being able to
reproduce in the future with a really poorly placed knee, but
he was able to come back from that and ended up with 14 points
and five rebounds. Khalil Ware did not have a great
shooting game, turned the ball over six times, but grabbed 15
rebounds and had nine points. And Xavier Johnson came off the
bench and really, really played the game that you would hope he
would play 8 or 13 points and six assists in that contest.
They didn't even need Gabe Cups essentially in the second-half.
So Indiana with that win moves to 8 and 10 in the conference,
16 and 13 overall. Scott, obviously, you know, two
wins in a row. That's great.
First time Indiana's had two wins in a row in the calendar
year of 2024 and first time they've had consecutive wins
since North Alabama and Kennesaw State back at the very end of
2023. It's obviously way late in terms
of it mattering and you know, for, you know, tournament, you
know, consideration or whatever. But it it does at least have the
impact of putting Indiana in the driver's seat to perhaps avoid
the Wednesday games in the Big 10 tournament.
That's at least something it's not, you know, it's it's a very
small something to write home about.
But what were your overall thoughts from the game?
Yeah got to stay away from the got to get that double buy or
the single buy at least as it's what I'm talking about in the
broadcast. No I I you hit a lot of the the
main stats I thought were were good.
I mean The thing is this team did a lot of things today that
they just obviously haven't done throughout the year.
The question is always like is this replicable.
We see it again, but you know again you have Imbacco go 4 from
8 from 3 point line like the the whole team goes 7 for 16
shooting 43% on a pretty you know normal volume of 3 point
shots. We haven't seen that a lot.
Normally they either don't take enough or when they take this
many or 15 or over they're normally shooting sub 30%.
So that was really nice to see from the free throw line shoot
82%. That's been a real bugaboo all
season. They do that.
The other thing too that I liked is just when you look at the
game log, you know with with 949 to go in the second-half, you
know, Indiana had already made that run.
They were down like you said, I think you know, 15 or 16 at one
point they make this run to get back.
It's 6460 Maryland ahead and then Maryland just stays at 64
points like just a great defensive stand until the four
minute mark in the second-half where Indiana's up 72 to 64.
We haven't seen that either. You know, Indiana has gotten
down in a bunch of games. They've been able to come back
in some of those, but a lot of times they get to kind of that
range, that 6460 range, and it's like, all right now they kind of
put her out or you know, you know, the other team gets a
couple of big threes and suddenly it's a 12 point game
again. Either this was unique in that
they they got down, which isn't good, but they fought back and
then once they kind of got to that precipice, like, all right,
now we can get over the hump. Not only they get over the hump,
they held Maryland scoreless for 4 1/2 minutes during that kind
of crucial point. So that was also a really good
thing to see. This is a Maryland team that is
one of the worst offenses in the Big 10.
So it's not saying much, but you still did it and you did it on
the road and you know, would have loved to not gotten down by
that much. But you know at this point I I
hate to be in, you know, not moral victory, but victory.
Victories are good. But it is like it's it's a win
and you do the things you need to do to win.
It's interesting. These are two fundamentally
flawed teams and you've seen that throughout the course of
the season. I mean, Indiana has really
struggled to put together games and Maryland has struggled to
finish games. I talked about this on the
Preview Podcast. Like, Maryland is one of the
unluckiest teams in Ken Palm. And what that means is like,
their play statistically has not matched the amount of wins that
they've had. They've they've lost games that
they probably shouldn't. And what I was, I guess, most
impressed by with Indiana was they had two long stretches
where they just stopped scoring. You know, they Indiana.
It was 20 to 19 Indiana, excuse me, 2017 Indiana at about the 10
minute mark of the first half and they didn't score again
until the five O 8 mark of the first half.
Then again at one point it was 33 or 3833 Maryland with 1:49
left in the first half and Indiana didn't score again until
the eighteen O 4 mark of the second-half.
This is exactly what we saw in the Penn State game, where
Indiana goes on these long lulls offensively where they just
can't get anything going. And we've talked about this
scenario with IU where they'll play well and then they'll just
have these stretches where nothing goes in the bucket for
them and that gives the other team the margin of victory.
And that looked like what this game was going to be.
But then Maryland had a worse 1. Maryland like that, That three
by Jamie Kaiser with 949 left in the second made it 6460.
That was what you were talking about.
Maryland didn't score again until the 354 mark of the
second-half. And when you look at what
Indiana was able to do, and especially the way that they
kind of put things together offensively, it did.
If you look at what Indiana has done over the course of really
since the Purdue game, their defense has been the problem.
Their offense has actually gotten progressively better.
It was about the same between the Northwestern and Nebraska
games. But in the last two games in
particular, they scored adjusted 100 and excuse me, this is this
is no this is adjusted 124.6 points per 100 possessions
against Wisconsin. And then their offensive rating
today was 130.3 adjusted, which is really good.
And it's it's interesting because they're getting
contributions from different people.
Obviously in the Wisconsin game, Khalil Ware was unstoppable.
He did not have it today. But Mackenzie and Bacco being
able to step in, hit shots from outside drive, do the kinds of
things that that he has been able to do.
It really allowed Indiana a flexibility on offense that we
just haven't seen out of them. They this is 2 games in a row
now where they've had an effective field goal percentage
over 62 percent, 62.7 today, 68.1 yesterday and they've hit
threes. They've been really good.
We know from 2 point land because they've been taking some
high percentage shots and their defense has been just good
enough that other teams haven't been able to keep up with them.
That is not the Indiana team that we have seen over the
course of most of the Big 10 season.
It's just a shame that it's come together this late because
you're like, well, this vintage of Indiana team could have at
least competed for, you know the the edge of the bubble if
they've been able to pick up one or two more wins.
Well, and that's the thing that's going to get lost with
this season. But like we we need to hammer
home here is you know it it it. Xavier Johnson helped today.
He played a good game. He definitely helps the offense.
But just just him alone it's like it I don't know how to say
this about like it's not knock on him it's just like just
because he's injured doesn't mean it all has to fall apart
the way that it did and that's that's a struggle with this this
year as you look at this game it's like the pieces are there
for this to be a really good team.
You know this is I remember seeing it against Harvard where
it was like oh man like this is this looks really good.
You know the 1st 5 minutes against Auburn we're like damn
this team like put together it like and what's weird is when
they're playing well you're like this team actually has put
together really well but then they don't play well and then we
start looking at roster construction and management.
It's like it it does show how wins kind of take all this way
but it's this is the part that is going to get lost with this
season is we're just going to look at it in you know 1020
years now think it's just a garbage season and you know the
in the mix it's like no this this team had the talent and it
really was honestly put together when playing right.
It actually does make a lot of sense when the pieces are
working this way. It it just hasn't been working
this way for most of the time. And that's that's the
frustrating part and see. Even this game, when you fall
behind by that many points, I mean they this team looked
listless in the first half. Their defensive effort was
terrible. They were, they were getting
beat all over the floor. Maryland look like they were in
rhythm, you know? It's so it's one of those where
you you have to praise Indiana for being able to put it
together, come back in that second-half, put on that type of
offensive display play good enough defense.
I mean you know Maryland's not amazing offensively from an
efficiency perspective they've really struggled but but still
they they they look perfectly fine in the first half
offensively and Indiana made them look really bad in the
second-half. So how do you reconcile, and I
kind of feel this way about the Wisconsin game to some degree as
well, where it's like, well here you have this Indiana team that
in spurts looks really good and and has score.
You know they can if if everything is firing they can.
Mackenzie and Bako can hit shots.
Khalil Ware is hard to to guard around the basket and he cleans
up so much on the glass and and Malik Renew obviously has so
much skill. But then they just go through
these swoons where they do not have a clue or look like they
don't have a clue about what they're supposed to be doing.
And it's not just as simple as oh Xavier Johnson's back in the
lineup because Xavier Johnson was in for most of that first
half, including a lot of the two runs that we saw where they
didn't play well. I am mystified by what makes
this team tick and and why they operate the way that they do.
It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense on its face.
And that's to me the most frustrating part of the season
is that in spurts, we've seen Indiana be, you know, about as
good as any team in the conference except Purdue.
And in spurts, we've seen them look as bad as any team in the
conference, including Michigan and Maryland.
And I think this is where I forgot where I heard this.
But it's like, you know what? What makes really good athletes
isn't the ability to have that high level talent.
It's the ability to be consistent at a very above
average level. But you know, like it's not
just, it's not being able to do amazing stuff.
It's like can you do really, really good stuff on a regular
basis? And I think that's that's what
this team has struggled with. And this you know it.
It is the kind of the hallmark of an average or a sub average
team as a team that just can't put it together.
Whether it be in a season, whether it be in a stretch of
games, whether it be in a game itself.
And like that is that isn't the end the hallmark of this team.
It's like I we've been trying to figure it out all year.
I think the answer is we're never going to quite figure out
what's not always working. But you you are 100% right.
It's like this, this game, while a win isn't even the Wisconsin
game, the last two wins, like you wouldn't say those are just
like that was a great feel good win.
Like we, I feel like everything is right, 'cause even in that
win there were moments of listlessness and issues and
you're down by 15 and I'm not trying to knock a win, but I do
think this is just the hallmark of kind of a a team that is just
it. It has a real hard time get
getting going and like I would ask any fans like.
How? Comfortable.
Do you feel now that you're just like you'd be willing to put
down 500 bucks on the money line that Indiana's gonna beat
Minnesota next? You know, on Wednesday, 'cause
it's like, I'm I, I we we won two in a row.
I'm still not sure where we are. I'm still not sure I understand
where this team is AT. And if if I'm like comfortable
being like I think they can win another game on the road, it's.
Funny because I I've watched a lot of Minnesota basketball
because I I have nothing to do with my life, I guess.
But they they remind me a lot of this Indiana team in that, like,
I don't know if anybody watched that Minnesota Penn State game
yesterday, but you know, Penn State went on a 23 to four run
in the first half and then followed it with an 11 one run.
Then at one point Penn State was up 41 to 18 on Minnesota and
Minnesota won 75 to 70 because they followed up with a 17 to
three run and then a ten O run. It's so I don't know what, like
I would not be shocked if this Indiana team against Minnesota,
if both teams were up 20 independently at some point in
the game. I have no clue who will end up
winning the game. But yeah, when?
You look at that Minnesota, Penn State game in in Kenpalm, it's
like normally like the the big run things, like the runs things
just basically the whole game. It's like just run after run
after run. Pinewood Derby.
Track. I mean, it's wild.
No, I mean it's so look, that's the thing I mean with this
Indiana team right now. I mean look first of all the the
team deserves credit. The, the coaching staff and Mike
Woodson deserve credit. This was not an easy last week.
There were a lot of noise around Woodson and and look I I will, I
will. I want to put that in
perspective. Winning two games in a row and
and beating Wisconsin I think is always a big, big step and
winning on the road, especially in the game where you were a
nine point underdog and that wasn't just Vegas, that was Ken
Palm, that was Torvick. I mean everybody had Indiana
losing this game because you know Maryland just looked at
that good efficiency wise to come out and play for the 40
minutes how they did. You know you can you can point
to the individual runs and say well that wasn't good or that
that didn't work play wise. But at the end of the day the 40
minutes Indiana was, was the better team.
They deserve a lot of credit for picking themselves up and not
allowing themselves to be in a position where they were overly
affected by the noise. But the flip side is at the end
of it all, as impressive as that win was and as impressive as as
picking yourself up off the carpet has been, today they beat
a Maryland team who is 13th in the conference out of 14 teams
and is 500 now on the season and is going nowhere.
And the Wisconsin game that they won, that's a Wisconsin team
that has now lost seven of their last nine games, including an 8
point loss at home earlier this week to Illinois.
So it's it's kind of feels like the bearest of expectations that
Indiana would have won these two games given the condition of the
teams that they beat. But then you have to flip it
over and say, well, given the condition of Indiana, you do
need to give them some credit for the fact that they were able
to win that game or both games and they had the the fortitude
to figure out a way in both contests to put together a
winning effort. It's it's just frustrating
because it again, as you said, the talent that's on the roster
shouldn't require it to be a surprise when Indiana ends up
being the better team over 40 minutes against the team that's
500 on the season. So listening to, you know, like
I said, I listened to your pregame this morning, you know,
and you said two things that I want to talk about now and kind
of just a larger macro sense, I think are fair points before the
game and still still hold true. Now, you know, you said that a
lot. You know there's a lot of noise
about where the program should go and that people are starting
to kind of get defensive or just solidified in their positions.
I think that's true. And you also know a lot of fans
and probably put myself in this category, you know, going into
this game and just kind of like we're kind of like I'm just
ready for this season to be over.
It's like it's not been a good year ready for it to be over.
I think that's also true. You know, I, I think I'm with
you. You have to give Pete, you know,
credit for the win. That's all good.
I I think the problem is where you're at with this program is
that you have a good portion of the fan base who are kind of are
that point of like we're checked out on the year or they've
already made-up their mind on what should be done.
And we've seen this and I'm I'm not I'm not saying you advocate
one way or the other. I'm just saying that once people
have gotten to that point it's hard to get them back.
And I think that's the issue that we have and and a win
against Maryland just isn't going to be like all right I'm
I'm all I'm all back in like all those bad feelings I have for
two months like it's over. And you know again I believe me
I'm not advocating change or anything but like when you you
look at like Mike Davis once people got to that point like he
he was never able to win them back.
You could say that you know Crean had it after the the
Syracuse loss or maybe that next year he he he won a Big Ten
title. Couldn't kind of get over that.
You know Archie I I would look at that that 12 of 13 game
losing streak was kind of where he lost people never got people
back. And I was thinking about this
listening to your pod that you know if you're if you're Woodson
and Woodson's back here next year.
You know to me it's like the expectations are like you got to
it's it's wild but it's like you got to win the Big 10 and maybe
make the Elite 8. Like you have to do something
above and beyond expectations to kind of get people off of that
ledge once they've already made-up their mind.
And I do. I I'm just it's a bar I think
that's where a lot of people are and you know so you know wall
walls like hey two wins is great.
It doesn't For those people who are there it's not going to be a
you know two wins against kind of middle but pack big 10 teams
isn't enough to do that and it's just it's a bummer that we're at
that spot but it that is reality you're you're.
I think you are you're you're being overly gracious with many
with Maryland. If you're calling them a middle
of the pack Big 10 team, they're terrible.
But your point is taken. It is interesting though there
is. Might have like 2 Terrapin fans
in here, I don't know. You never know.
Just trying to grow the Reach Crimson cast there is.
A non zero. In fact, more than a non zero
chance. Like there is a decent chance
Indiana could end up as the sixth seed in the Big 10
tournament. Right now because they are 8 and
10 in the conference, they are right behind Minnesota who's
9:00 and 9:00. If they beat Minnesota, they
will have the tiebreaker on Minnesota in all categories
because they will have beaten them twice their last games
against Michigan State. Even if Michigan State beats
Northwestern, Indiana's last game would be against Michigan
State and well, that would be the tiebreaker in that scenario.
And the other team that's in the mix there is Iowa, who Indiana's
already beaten and Iowa has to host Illinois later on this
upcoming week. I mean, so everything you just
said is correct. The two things I'll say is a
it's going to be hard I think for the people who are
definitively in the there needs to be a change camp to argue
that this season was a disaster. If Indiana actually finishes 6th
in the conference and and 2nd and this is I think the larger
point all Indiana fans really want is a competitive basketball
program. They and that's you know the yes
they want wins. Yes, you can say, well, Indiana
fans are unrealistic. The the reason why there's been
so much angst over this season, and particularly over what's
happened in January and February, is not the losses as
much as it is how bad Indiana has looked and how bad their
effort has looked in a lot of the games.
And what we've seen in both of these last two games, the
Wisconsin game and and obviously this Maryland game, is an
Indiana team that for enough of the time, cared enough and put
enough effort in that they were able to come up with victories.
That goes a long way towards calming people down.
Now obviously there's two games left and if Indiana comes out in
the first half or or can't comes out in either of the games like
they came out in the first half against Maryland, that goodwill
is going to go away real quick. But my argument I guess would be
at this point that. If.
What you needed to see as an IU fan was the players caring and
the coaching staff looking like they knew what they were doing
well. You've gotten some of that in
these last two games. You got to build on it.
And I think if you follow up these two wins with two losses,
well, it all goes back to some degree to where it was before
this last week started. But it is nice to see that with
their backs against the wall, both metaphorically and, and to
some degree, you know, from an emotional perspective, the team
was able to figure out a way and the coaching staff was able to
figure out a way to put it together both on the road and at
home against the team that they've struggled with now for a
couple of decades. So that's you know.
Agreed. I hear all that and I'm I'm I'm
just kind of speak. I'm not I'm not saying I'm in
this position. I'm not trying to defend it all
I'm saying I hear all that and it all I'm saying is that when
you you know, the cream thing is the interesting example here
because I think people lost that faith in that those three-year
window. He came back and won a Big Ten
title and was fired the next year.
You know that even a Big Ten title wasn't enough, you know,
enough success to get people off of that ledge with cream.
So that's my only thing is that, you know, the last couple of
weeks have been really pretty negative and toxic.
And it it's it's reminiscent of all of those periods in the past
where it felt like a good majority of the fan base kind of
checked out. Was like I've made-up my mind
and all I'm saying is like I I hear you, you're right.
Like you've got to let it play out.
They could win four more. They could win two games And you
know, I I still think making the NIT and making around the NIT
would be a really nice way to finish off this season and and
get some momentum to next year. But you know again it's like I'm
just merely pointing out that you know if you have friends who
are on that you know other side of it.
You know two wins is not going to get them back on the hump.
It's going to take something monumentally good to make up for
something that is kind of a a monumentally bad season And that
that's my only point is just how like how bad the the state is
that that it got in in the last couple of weeks.
I totally. Agree, and so much goodwill was
burned this year. There's still time to get some
of it back. The last two games have helped a
little bit, but there's a long way to go to to get people who
have decided that this is the wrong direction on things.
And that's not even getting into offseason stuff, 'cause I think
that's a different podcast that we can talk about later.
But. It's like with the, you know,
the part of what this bat was bad with this season, like you
get a little success and it's like the rug gets pulled out.
So it's like, this is a great moment in a very micro sense,
like, all right, go in the next two games, like build on this
and don't pull the rug out. Like what would be worse is
another rug pull in a micro where it's like, hey, we're
feeling good, Two wins and you go out and you you piss the bed
in two more games. Like go in two more and then
look like you're you're competent and caring in the Big
10 tournament. I think that that alone would go
a long way to be like, hey, we made, you know, season one's
great, but like we finished, we figured out some right things
and we feel confident we can continue figuring that in the
next season. Like I know that would give me
the confidence going into next year.
Indiana in action again On Wednesday of this upcoming week,
they'll be at Minnesota. You know we needed another night
game on the road to to, you know, marinate on certainly, but
only two games left in the regular season for Indiana.
They get Minnesota at home. They get Michigan State on the
road. They are projected to lose both
games right now on Ken Palm, but they were projected to lose the
last two games on Ken Palm, so who the heck knows?
Anyway, Scott, any final thoughts before we wrap?
Any thoughts before we wrap up here?
No, no, no. Let's like I just said, let's
finish off strong, man. Like like keep it going.
Like there's there's no reason this team can't win the next two
games. Like Michigan State is also not
good. Like their record is pretty bad.
Like metrically they're they're way better than us.
But their record is not great. It's going to be wild.
We have a we we could win our next two and have a better Big
10 record than them and not make the term.
It all makes sense but it's just like it's a weird spot that
we're in. But you know, there's there's no
reason you can't win the next two.
And again that that is, I think every fans most frustrating part
is looking at this win is like, hey, this has been there all
year, like there's a lot of really good pieces there.
Well, we'll see. What happens?
And we will of course be also watching to see what happens
with the women's team as they're waiting on their final
assignment for Minneapolis. They're the three seed and we'll
probably play either Penn State or Maryland in the quarter final
round, depending on what happens with the remaining games.
Anyway, we'll go and wrap up here.
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