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All right, folks, welcome back 

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to Crimson cast. 
Scott here with you, it's funny 

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as Galen. 
And I did our last post game 

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after the Purdue game. 
I was like, All right. 

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I can be done podcasting about 
IU football for a while done 

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listening to it. 
I was ready to shut it down and 

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then Galen has done a couple of 
football Recaps, which I've 

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thoroughly enjoyed. 
And now I'm doing a football 

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recap so I guess we can't get 
away from football. 

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It's the thing we can't stop. 
Loving that said, it really was 

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a interesting season. 
I think it's a pivotal season in

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the Tom Allen 10-year. 
I think this offseason is going 

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to be interesting. 
And you know as a fan myself I 

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wanted to get a really Good feel
for The Fan Experience and what 

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Panther fans are feeling out 
there. 

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So no better to talk to than can
buy cough, who is the host of 

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the postgame show, the postgame 
call-in, show for IU, football 

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on the learfield network. 
And so wanted to get him on here

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and get his opinions on what we 
saw this year and so excited to 

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talk to him. 
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Without further Ado, here's my 

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conversation with Ken by cough 
enjoy. 

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Alright delighted to have Ken 
back on, you know, Ken from 

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peace.com but also more 
importantly. 

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He is the host of the postgame 
call-in show for IU football. 

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It's been too long but I think 
he's a great person to talk to 

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you about IU football, but also 
to get a Fan's perspective 

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because he deals with them after
every game, which is really, 

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really God's work as a special 
place in heaven for you, my 

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friend. 
So, Ken good to talk to you, 

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buddy. 
It's good to talk to you and, 

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you know, people don't 
necessarily realize or remember 

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that I man alone, you know, and 
so yeah. 

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In terms of Wanting IU football 
to do well, and all that. 

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Yeah, you have the journalistic 
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from a personal standpoint, you 
know it, I know journalists. 

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Love to go ahead and try to act 
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It doesn't disappear, and 
somebody who covers the team 

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wants the team to do well, and 
because it's more fun to watch 

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good football than it is to 
watch bad football. 

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But we've been stuck with with 
this, oh, I certainly understand

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the passion of fans when they 
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calling me. 
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I would far prefer people to 
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apathetic and give up. 
I want that passion over. 

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Apathy every time. 
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I were not hate the word 
starting with this because the 

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topic that I absolutely despise,
I get so tired. 

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I mean I've been I'm an alumni 
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I'm an alumnus as well. 
I've been going to IU game since

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like the mid-80s. 
I've been a season ticket holder

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since like 08. 
So I paid my dues. 

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I get really tired of the, you 
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this team of Got to step up the 
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The support is. 
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season after a miserable season 
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Michigan. 
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full effect for the entire game.
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last year against Cincinnati. 
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that argument, always bothers me
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sometimes on very little 
success, they'll show up in 

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force and then normally they end
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The football pulled away for 
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get tired of the its fans job 
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Now you're kind of seeing that a
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With n IO. 
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stuff for the end. 
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season but that but the fan part
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I mean, yeah. 
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recruiting standpoint in all of 
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It is part of the equation. 
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people have shown up the last 
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but at times and they've been 
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So one of the things that came 
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years of, you know, eight and 
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showed up last season and what 
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undergrads who had never had the
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game and in two years because 
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they were freshmen saw. 
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finally start going when they 
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obviously just going to go. 
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to kind of change that culture 
when it came to the fan base, by

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having some success and they 
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And that that really, really 
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So looking at this last season, 
that we go 4 and 8 2 and 7 and 

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Conference, you know, but 
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look at this year. 
I'm curious just from your 

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perspective. 
How do you kind of classify this

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last season? 
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I wasn't good. 
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It's you had games where they 
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finish. 
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equation and you had 3 games 
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found a way to finish and they 
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even though the offensive line 
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though you had a defense that 
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did manage to come back and win 
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finish four and eight, you know,
you win the bucket and your five

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The, the problem is that you 
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that they had an opportunity to 
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let get away in ways that we've 
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thing week over week over week. 
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Both in along the coaching 
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So it's a disappointing year. 
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their win total from the year 
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it's not going to cut it. 
I mean it's plain and simple and

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that to me is, is the 
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it wasn't a good year. 
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good enough. 
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you had as many older guys on 
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you're banged up, you need 
better performances than what we

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That's why it was just a really 
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I had had gone through and going
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And I want to say seven out of 
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either was leading tied or 
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opponent. 
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and they weren't able to do it, 
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and Rutgers and Maryland and all
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that opportunity but I said you 
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again it's not how it's How many
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and and pick up those victories.
They win against Rutgers, they 

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win against Maryland. 
It's a completely different 

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feeling to the end of the season
as they go and they squandered 

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every one of those opportunities
so it's just a disappointing 

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day. 
Disappointing year. 

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I agree and it's also coming off
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year in at least the last 20, 30
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that's that's the tough thing. 
That's this hard to reconcile 

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here because I definitely, you 
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the idea that you know 2020 was 
a fluke. 

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When you look at me differently 
there were some interesting 

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things that happened in that 
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you know the end of the Kevin 
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of the Tom Allen era. 
You got to a point where, you 

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know they were at least going 
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They had five wins going to the 
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they actually went to a bowl 
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So you have this progression up 
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right, we we found our footing 
and we don't need to go back to 

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the depths of the Big Ten and 
then for it just to go off a 

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cliff that quickly is, is tough,
but I'm curious, you know, it 

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almost feels like, there's that 
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Wisconsin game, Tom, Allen's 
talking to the press and you 

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know, ESPN people are like this 
coach in America, you know? 

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It's a great moment that 
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It's almost like that was the 
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Like everything has not seemed 
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Well, I'm curious if you can 
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Like it's just a really big fall
and, you know, I often hear the 

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discussion of like you maybe 
it's like Pat Fitzgerald, at 

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Northwest when he goes high as a
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patents. 
Jose has highs like he wins Big 

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Ten title or he goes to a Rose 
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and he comes back and does it 
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I guess. 
The question is, can we do it 

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again? 
Sorry, too many questions. 

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What do you think happened there
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even see? 
That is kind of the inflection 

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point or not? 
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inflection point. 
You look at 20:20 you people 

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talk about 2020 being a fluke 
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the year before that. 
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Foundation was said then they go
6 and 2 in 2020 and they play 

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Tennessee in the Gator Bowl and 
two years later. 

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Indiana has lost. 
What is it now? 

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17 of 18, big ten games and you 
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big ten games and then they and 
Tennessee has been number one 

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team in the country. 
So you know, you have two 

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programs that have gone very 
different directions, I have you

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know, last year. 
Tom Allen talked about how he 

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felt his team came into the 2021
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Kind of reading their own hype 
and 22, confident, and feeling 

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like they had made it. 
You know, it does come down to 

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quarterback play, it comes down 
to offensive line, it comes down

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to all of that. 
And, you know, to me it, there 

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are there's so many problems 
with that with that football 

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program right now, but the most 
important position in sports, it

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is quarterback and Michael penix
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Michael penix can do with decent
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and he just didn't have it last 
year, rather in 20. 

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Yeah, in 20. 
Twenty twenty twenty one, so it 

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was quarterback play, but it was
quarterback play that struggled 

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because of play-calling and it 
struggled because of poor 

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offensive line. 
And the defense took a step 

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back, which we knew they had 
lost some players, but still the

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steps that were taken back there
isn't one? 

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I don't think there's one 
incident outside of what I 

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always get hung up on is the 
onside kick against Tennessee at

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the Gator Bowl and that one that
play, you know, if Indiana wins 

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the Gator Bowl I does 2021 
happen the way it does. 

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I don't know because, you know, 
it does it, it does, it draw 

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more people, the more fan, more 
recruits more, everything that 

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goes along with it, it's tough 
to say, but that one haunts me 

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because Indiana ended up losing 
that bowl game, the way we've 

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seen Indiana lose games before. 
And so it was that feeling of 

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this is a special year, but it 
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football at a time when it needs
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When it needs some time to be 
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Be successful year over year, 
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7, 5 & 7, 8 & 5, 6 & 2, and then
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also at a time when people could
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and and To me, there isn't any 
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of decisions that have kind of 
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Yeah, the quarterback thing. 
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know I look at last year and I 
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and it was funny you know, I was
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I was excited that you know, 
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really excited to show them 
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It's like we're down 21-nothing 
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or four minutes of gameplay. 
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We're going to make to the wave.
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the first quarter, but you saw 
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or just, you know, Comfort the 
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ready to play. 
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And absolutely his comeback from
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What I? 
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like I know that football 
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just do do podcasts and watch 
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I know they know more but 
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to understand like how did they 
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Was it, where was it? 
Just that was their best option.

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But how did they not see that he
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And then the rest of the season,
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We're going to do Jack Toto. 
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like on our heels. 
Like, how did you not have a 

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plan B in place? 
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Same thing, you go with Connor, 
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confused as to what happened 
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hurt, but he didn't play against
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enough. 
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week, but then you get total in 
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Tell who gets hurt and then it's
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then you go to Dexter Williams, 
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To Williams the future. 
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Why is he your fourth string 
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Like it's, it looks like we're 
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why we're having these issues. 
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where I think Osterman do this 
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Like, we've had a season-ending 
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The last 16 years and that's 
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It's nobody's fault, but it is 
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prepare for as an IU coach. 
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always Like confused, shocked, 
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what to do when we have 
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So, I'm just it's, it's 
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me wonder like, what are they 
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Well, it's the quarterback 
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the years. 
I mean, just absolutely terrible

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for again for the most important
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Kevin Wilson, handled it 
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Allen has not done a good job. 
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that he has approached things 
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the head coach of the defense, 
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coordinators the head coach of 
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of it. 
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how he likes a dual threat 
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if you look at the guys that 
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haven't had a lot of dual-threat
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wasn't that guy yeah it runs 
very pleasant. 

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Indeed are on very much. 
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that's different than being a 
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So the issue last year was the 
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wear. 
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went down, you had to use a 
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than you did that, then your 
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Was you had Connor, Bay's lag, 
who's brought in which I have a 

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problem that you are on your six
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bringing In grad transfer guys, 
when you have guys that have 

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been in your program year, over 
year over year, that aren't 

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developing to where they need to
be. 

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That to me is an issue that that
you have that in will have that 

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same situation going into next 
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have anybody that's waiting. 
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base lack was inconsistent and 
was not, anybody who could be 

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successful with the offensive 
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him missing the game against 
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State state Penn State total 
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And so then, Brandon sores be is
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And that was the move where 
everybody said, what are you 

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doing? 
What are, you know, you if you 

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don't have Dexter Williams, 
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a two-part equation, its 
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be there too, but regardless, if
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package, ready, knowing That 
that these guys are a snap away 

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from having to go in, what are 
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What are you doing, bringing in 
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scratcher. 
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decks, look, the looked good, 
you know, I mean, he he didn't 

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throw the ball well, but it did 
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What Indiana was able to do. 
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drastically, different styles of
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So that when you have A pocket 
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comes out of the game. 
You have to completely change 

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your your the way that you go 
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Jack. 
Tuttle got hurt now. 

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To me, it's they painted 
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bit with Bay's, lack, because 
they said he was hurt, he was 

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banged up and, and all of this, 
you know, that's what the 

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coaches say. 
And they know better than I do 

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given his play and given 
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It sure did seem like they were 
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direction in quarterback. 
So now, total gets hurt and It 

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was weird to me, they had Bay's 
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that Penn State game because 
they said they wanted to see him

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from above to me if you you want
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talking to the other guys and 
doing all that. 

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But that's not what they did. 
They had babies like up in the 

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Press Box. 
That's fine. 

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That's a coach's choice but now 
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And this is a guy that, you 
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Bays lack, you know, wasn't 
excited for it. 

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So they had to bring them back 
against Ohio State and then they

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let him A couple of series and 
they bring a Dexter. 

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So again to me get side to me 
and then Dexter gets hurt and 

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base like has to go back in. 
So you have this revolving door 

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for the second straight year. 
Where do you end up last year 

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with a walk-on starting against 
the Purdue again in the bucket 

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game? 
And Grant Grandma, you had 

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Diamond McCauley wouldn't throw 
the football moves to wide 

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receiver. 
It is a quarterback position 

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that has just been horribly 
mangled because you have a 

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moving Target constantly in the 
style of player to have in the 

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the offense that you have that 
look that's another issue where 

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this is now, what is it? 
The fourth offense of 

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coordinator and six years is 
that right? 

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That what it is so or is it? 
Yeah, they're on their fourth 

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offensive coordinator. 
So that's not helpful when 

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you're trying to build that 
quarterback position but again 

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to me It's a head-scratcher on 
how that has been handled 

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because you have to have a 
vision. 

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You have to have what you want 
your program to look like. 

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And it can't simply depend on a 
guy getting hurt and everything 

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has to change to me. 
It to me that that has been an 

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issue. 
Yeah. 

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No and that's, you know, and 
this is something I've heard is 

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kind of the the seasons people 
have been kind of putting in the

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context, as you know, more is 
made of that Purdue game. 

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That I think really happened 
that, you know, the Dexter 

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Williams injury is And I feel 
for that's a horrible injury. 

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It sucks. 
That is just that's a freak 

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thing that just absolutely 
sucks. 

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I feel for the kid on the flip 
side, this is a kid who has 

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thrown 38 passes and completed 
13 for the year. 

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He's got a good-looking arm but 
you know I was pulling up other 

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stats like in 2015, you know, 
Xander diamant, attempted, 31 

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passes, and completed 15. 
Very similar numbers in two 

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games. 
I'm not trying to compare the 

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two. 
I think the experience is much 

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better. 
Her arm. 

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But this weird narrative has, 
I'm seeing kind of propagate 

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with Dex doesn't get hurt or up 
73. 

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Probably when they came. 
It's like I don't like I don't 

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know. 
And like you know it definitely 

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does hurt the feel going in the 
next year that you know, 

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Williams is probably out for the
year. 

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But I was one of the few who 
like I'm already concerned with 

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him as our quarterback next 
year, even before the injury 

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because, you know, he looked 
very similar to this on McAuley 

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who was did that last year and 
then all of a sudden he's a wide

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receiver and not even 
quarterback. 

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More. 
So it's it's just all 

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head-scratching but it does put 
this, this is kind of been what 

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I've seen coming and where we 
are now. 

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Is this program is in its, in a 
really tough spot, you have a 

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guy in Tom Allen, who we said 
here, A bunch of times. 

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I know you probably deal with 
people in the postgame all the 

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time but it's like if you know 
what's going on, he's here for 

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the next two, maybe three years,
no matter what, and that's just 

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that is what it is, whether you 
like it or not, so just that, 

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that becomes that part of it. 
But this is a guy who's got to 

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figure out a way to get his 
program back. 

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And It's it's tough because you 
mentioned your painting into the

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corner. 
I've said this to like the the 

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whole program is painted in a 
corner because you really can't 

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change the offense of 
coordinator. 

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Again, you've done that four out
of six years. 

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The defensive coordinator, I 
guess you could change but he 

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didn't even get to coordinate 
this year. 

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Having Tom Allen ran the defense
which is also a puzzling thing 

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that that's what was supposed to
feel good. 

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It's you know in Pro Football 
Focus. 

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It's the second worst rated 
defense in the Big Ten just 

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ahead of Northwestern which is 
not in your behind the Braska. 

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Not exactly where you To be, you
know, we got rid of Hitler, 

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which is good, but again, I 
always joke that it's like, you 

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know, if we're watching, you 
know, a Big Ten basketball game 

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and it's like, hey Nebraska, you
know, in basketball, they change

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their third assistance, like our
who cares, what? 

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Nebraska, it's like 10 line. 
Coach is going to change it, so 

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it's like you can't really 
making those changes. 

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The coach is going to stay the 
same and now you have a ton of 

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turnover and all that culture, 
That was supposed to be being 

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built as gamma chi. 
I mean, this is where the money 

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comes from, but it's like, I 
don't this, what the moneys for,

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but I Don't I honestly, this is 
one of those few times. 

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I have no idea what the answer 
is to solve this, but you have 

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to figure out a way to get this 
team back into Bowl eligibility,

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but it's going to be tough 
because they're painted into a 

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corner in so many different 
areas and you lose all the 

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momentum of people least being 
excited to see if Dexter 

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Williams could be a good 
quarterback next year because 

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now you come in with just 
question marks basically, at all

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skill positions. 
Once again after that, Ohio 

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State game, I said, you know, 
this is the, the next two games.

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Are preseason games for 2023 
where you're selling Yeah, a 

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vision you're selling on what 
this program could be. 

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And so, did you know, they beat 
Michigan State and that was 

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nice, but it was just one game 
and, you know, it Dexter stays 

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in that Purdue game. 
Do they win? 

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It's me, Dexter doesn't play 
defense. 

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He doesn't, it doesn't get them 
to play better that way, but it 

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really is an issue to say the 
least. 

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Because, you know, after last 
year 2 and 10, Tom talked about 

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00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,300
just stripping everything down 
to Bare Bones, you know, looking

446
00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:40,900
at absolutely everything and 
where can we get better? 

447
00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:44,300
And, you know, we got player 
councils and Leadership Council 

448
00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:47,300
any and all this kind of stuff, 
change, defensive border, and 

449
00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:51,200
change, offensive coordinator. 
You've done what you can in 

450
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,400
that? 
So now, after going for an eight

451
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,900
on the year, how do you come 
back and say, okay well we're 

452
00:23:57,900 --> 00:23:59,300
going to strip it down to the 
studs again. 

453
00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:01,500
You can't do that, you can't do 
that. 

454
00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:04,100
I mean, that's it because you've
already done that, and this is 

455
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:05,600
not to interrupt, but this is 
the trouble. 

456
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,400
I have with Tom Allen is, you 
know, good or bad. 

457
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:15,000
He's never been like an amazing 
X's and O's coach, he's not, but

458
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,500
he's a guy who gets more out of 
players and maybe they should 

459
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,700
he's a vow. 
As Galen, says, he's Vibes coach

460
00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:23,400
a really good with culture, no 
doubt about it, and he took a 

461
00:24:23,408 --> 00:24:26,700
team to higher levels that I use
had in 70 years. 

462
00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:31,300
Like I'm not disputing that and 
he Guys, to play better as a 

463
00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:33,700
some than the hole and that's 
great and you can do that. 

464
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:36,300
You don't have to be good at X's
and O's, but they like, so 

465
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:38,600
you're a culture guy. 
That's great. 

466
00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:40,000
That's where I have a real 
trouble. 

467
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,600
We're after 2020, what? 
It's like over the culture 

468
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,400
sucking, it's like, all right, 
well, that's that's what you're 

469
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,500
good at. 
Like you're not the best at X's 

470
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,800
and O's and I'm not being a 
dick, is just, it is true. 

471
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,700
So if you're not good at 
culture, like now, what are we 

472
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:54,200
left with? 
And now another year, it's like 

473
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,900
where we have another kind of 
seemingly some culture issues, 

474
00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:00,500
it's like what What are you 
being? 

475
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,600
What are you selling here? 
And what is your one? 

476
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,200
Key ingredient? 
Because being the Indiana 

477
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,600
football, coach is hard. 
Like, you've got to be really 

478
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,600
good at something because this 
is one of the toughest jobs in 

479
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,100
America. 
And, and that's what, that's 

480
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:15,100
what freaks me out is that it's 
like you're being sold on like, 

481
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:17,600
it's a culture and I agree with 
and that's what you're good at 

482
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,800
and then to go the culture 
sucks. 

483
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,700
Like, alright, well that accepts
again. 

484
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,400
It's like I don't know where 
you're turning to. 

485
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:23,900
Yeah. 
No. 

486
00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:27,200
And the frustration too is that,
you know, you don't have a team,

487
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,100
a program with an identity, you 
know, when Tom And came here. 

488
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:33,100
He completely changed that 
defense, you know, it's a 

489
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:36,000
complete 180 change to where 
they were awful to where they 

490
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,600
were getting stops. 
And then his first four years, 

491
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,100
they were very, very solid 
defensively in the past two 

492
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:44,800
years that hasn't been the case.
And so your identity isn't 

493
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,000
defense anymore, you don't have 
an identity on offense. 

494
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000
You're not like a throw the ball
around the yard team. 

495
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,500
You're not a pound the ball on 
through the Run team. 

496
00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:58,300
You just don't have an identity 
and with the culture portion of 

497
00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:01,200
it, this Is why I said, you know
the ground shifted under 

498
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,200
Indiana. 
You you have a culture to wear 

499
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,400
your everybody's playing for one
another. 

500
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,800
The Elio is front and center on,
absolutely everything. 

501
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:14,300
But then you also have the 
transfer portal and you have n 

502
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:18,400
IL money to where all of a 
sudden, the players who maybe 

503
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,500
once upon a time, that could 
work long-term with playing for 

504
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:24,500
the guy on to the your left and 
to your right. 

505
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,700
Well, now you're welcoming in a 
bunch of guys from other 

506
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:30,700
programs and they've seen they 
met Senior, you got guys from 

507
00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:32,300
Ole, Miss you, got guys from 
Albarn. 

508
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,000
They've seen what happens in a 
program where there has been 

509
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,500
success and what the attitude is
and then they come here and they

510
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:42,700
see that it's not like that not 
in here, you're not having that 

511
00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:45,200
kind of success. 
So at what point do guys start 

512
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,900
playing for themselves? 
What time at, what point do they

513
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:53,400
try to show out for themselves 
and then you throw in Ni L money

514
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,000
and or the lack thereof and they
hear what other people are. 

515
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:59,300
Getting all of that to me works 
together. 

516
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,100
Whether to break down that whole
idea of elio, Elio works great 

517
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:09,000
if you have to sit out a year if
you transfer if you are playing 

518
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,300
you know really playing for the 
name on the front of your 

519
00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:13,500
jersey, but that's not really 
where we are with college 

520
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:16,700
football anymore. 
And so even building a culture 

521
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:20,100
and maintaining that culture to 
where you have a relationship 

522
00:27:20,100 --> 00:27:22,900
with the kid from. 
He's 16 17, 18 years old, you 

523
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:26,700
get him to commit here, he's 
all-in, you have that 

524
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:30,600
relationship, and then you start
sprinkling and Guy, Who last 

525
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,200
year were playing for somebody 
else or now it might have a year

526
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,500
or two left and really want to 
show what they can do. 

527
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,700
They're not so worried about 
playing for the guys around them

528
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:43,000
as they are for showcasing their
own talent. 

529
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:47,600
And so all of that, I think is 
if you have a culture guy who's 

530
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,200
going to build a culture, it's a
lot harder to do now with 

531
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:55,000
transfer portal and N IL, which 
I happen to love. 

532
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000
I think it's great for the kids 
but for in terms of building a 

533
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,500
culture, that's an issue. 
Yeah. 

534
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,200
You mentioned and IO and I'm 
with you too. 

535
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,500
I felt for years that play 
payers should be getting paid. 

536
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:07,600
I'm very happy for it. 
What? 

537
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,800
I'm not a fan of is some some of
the media, you know, kind of 

538
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,900
continuing to say like Indiana's
got to provide more for ni L. 

539
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:18,000
They've got to put more money, 
even some from the athletic 

540
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,800
department kind of pushing that.
So I do think it's a two-sided 

541
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,600
coin, like yes, Indiana has to 
be competitive from an ni L 

542
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,800
perspective to get players, but 
I also think, you know, it's not

543
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,100
just money is going to Solve the
problem because if you're look 

544
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:36,900
at Michael pennies, he goes from
kind of Addis, you know, bad. 

545
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:40,700
I you team last year, really bad
offensive lines where he covered

546
00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:42,500
up. 
A lot of offensive line issues. 

547
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,200
He goes to a team that has kind 
of an identity has a really good

548
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,100
offensive line has a plan around
him and he suddenly 10 and 2 and

549
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:53,700
a Heisman candidate. 
If your pet X is like would you 

550
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,600
how much is that worth to you? 
Like do you want to come back to

551
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,900
IU and get smacked around and go
for and 845 million? 

552
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:02,100
Dollars, or would you rather go 
to Washington? 

553
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:05,700
Maybe make the less and I owe 
money but maybe win a Heisman, 

554
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:07,000
right? 
You know, maybe get some 

555
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,900
endorsements that way and I 
think that's something that 

556
00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:12,500
isn't factored in here. 
Is that it's a two-way street 

557
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,600
but there's a certain amount of 
money. 

558
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,200
Like there's no amount of money 
that's going to get, like, CJ 

559
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,500
shroud, come to IU for nilu 
could offer 25 million dollars. 

560
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,700
It's like you have a stay at 
Ohio State. 

561
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:23,400
Like, I'm just, that's where I'm
going to be. 

562
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,400
And I never think that's fully 
factored in the get some of 

563
00:29:26,408 --> 00:29:29,000
these high-level. 
Yes for the, you know, the Right

564
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,900
Guard. 
It's Matter of if some of these 

565
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:34,900
high level skill position which 
I you needs, I'm not saying n IL

566
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:39,300
is it's going to help but it's 
not going to be the Panacea that

567
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:40,800
I think. 
Sometimes it's pushed out there 

568
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,900
because other factors are there,
those are factors that you know,

569
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:47,200
alumni can't solve like we got 
to get a better aligned, we got 

570
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,300
to get better Coach, we just got
to have better results because 

571
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:52,400
no amount of money you're going 
to give is going to get high 

572
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,700
level quarterback to giving. 
This is where I go back to, you 

573
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:59,500
know, we spent, you know, three 
or four games and 2021 being 

574
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,900
like we got to keep NX a starter
because Alan saying, you know, 

575
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,000
that's our guy, he's a guy in 
the locker room, I can't do this

576
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,900
to a starter but then 12 months 
later you're just yanking base 

577
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,300
like in and out of the starting 
lineup and it's like this is a 

578
00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:13,900
guy who started an SEC school 
then maybe not, you know, top 

579
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:18,200
level as but an SEC school and 
what's his experience going to 

580
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,300
be like two other people who 
call Connor but hey, Connor. 

581
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:22,000
What was it? 
Like transferring to IU in the 

582
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,700
portal? 
Is he going to give them a 

583
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:25,500
five-star Yelp review? 
Like I don't think so. 

584
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:28,700
So it's is like, it is a two-way
street there on the ni L, think,

585
00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:31,400
well, and, and, but Not a new 
problem because you know, 

586
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,900
Indiana has been recruiting for 
years and you could have 

587
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,800
high-level guy wants to go to a 
school. 

588
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,400
Not even, even the top of the 
top Ohio State are, you know, 

589
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,100
Penn State or wherever but wants
to go someplace that has 

590
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:47,100
historically been successful. 
He can go there and sit there 

591
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:49,700
for two or three years before he
gets a real chance to play and 

592
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:52,300
he's going to go to a bowl and 
he's gonna get everything that 

593
00:30:52,308 --> 00:30:56,800
goes along with being a whatever
school you know football player 

594
00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:59,200
or you could come to Indiana 
play right away. 

595
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,900
Possibly be Be a star help, 
build something. 

596
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,100
It's been tough to convince kids
to do that. 

597
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:09,800
To not go someplace that has 
already been historically good. 

598
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,600
So now you have something to 
where you can go to some place 

599
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,400
and get paid some kind of money 
and get it get more support or 

600
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,100
you're going to come to Indiana 
and maybe get a chance to play 

601
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:25,100
right away. 
But the ni L money to me is an 

602
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:29,000
important part of it, it from a 
macro standpoint, but from a 

603
00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:32,600
micro Stan You're exactly right.
You can't go out and you buy a 

604
00:31:32,608 --> 00:31:37,100
couple of players you know with 
n IL money and everything is 

605
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:38,800
fixed. 
That's just not how it works. 

606
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,700
There's not enough depth there's
not enough money to make it all 

607
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:45,900
worthwhile. 
So it is it's a challenge to say

608
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:49,900
the least because especially to 
be struggling as much as they 

609
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:53,600
have over the past two years is 
arguably the worst time in the 

610
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,000
past hundred years of college 
football, to be to be struggling

611
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,300
with this. 
And also I I cannot I cannot 

612
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:04,000
stress this enough. 
It's not the first time, Indiana

613
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,700
has had a problem with money and
players and this is the the 

614
00:32:06,708 --> 00:32:09,000
History part of me coming out 
here. 

615
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,900
After WWII the Big Ten had a 
rule that you could get, you 

616
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:18,200
could pay a guy 30, get a guy 
who had a job for 35, dollars a 

617
00:32:18,208 --> 00:32:23,300
month to play and you know, all 
across the Big Ten. 

618
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,000
That was what they they got. 
You had guys coming back from 

619
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,700
war. 
They had families, they were 

620
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:31,400
coming to school and they Need 
some money so they allowed them 

621
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,400
to hold jobs, that would pay $35
a month at Indiana. 

622
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,000
Beau MacMillan decided that 
money was only available for 

623
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,900
married guys. 
Single guys couldn't do that 

624
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:46,000
other schools in the Big Ten, 
didn't have that rule so guess 

625
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000
what? 
A bunch of the single guys that 

626
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,700
were on that 45 team that went 
undefeated they went elsewhere 

627
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,200
and they played and played 
pivotal roles for other teams in

628
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,900
the Big Ten and your two later 
Beau MacMillan bolt in town. 

629
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Down, and it's been quite the 
struggle sense. 

630
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:09,300
And so, again, it's to me, this 
whole offseason is about a 

631
00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:13,500
vision of the future. 
There's nothing worse than 

632
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:18,000
having 0 Direction, you have to 
be able to have a plan that you,

633
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,700
as a Hempstead, make a plan 
work, the plan and plan for the 

634
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,700
unexpected. 
This is it feels like a program,

635
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:27,500
that's floating as much as 
anything else and that's what I 

636
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:30,800
want to see this. 
Offseason is a Spelled out 

637
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,400
during spring ball of how this 
is going to get fixed, you have 

638
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,200
to tell us because you're trying
to sell a fan base that 

639
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,500
desperately wants you to do well
and doesn't have a lot of belief

640
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:43,100
in it. 
No, it's the history of IU 

641
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:47,400
football is is great. 
And the book, it's a book it in 

642
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,200
once. 
And for those who are coming in 

643
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,100
early, it's like, you're right 
with the Beau MacMillan stuff. 

644
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:54,800
But, you know, there was 
unfortunate, it's kind of like 

645
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,100
they missed the boat 40 or 50 
years ago because they had a 

646
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,600
period where they they just 
didn't invest in football when 

647
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,000
other schools were and over the 
last 15-20 years. 

648
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,000
No doubt Indiana University has 
up there there, you know, 

649
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:14,100
financial support of football 
but it's like you're just now 

650
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:16,500
catching up to being at the 
bottom of the Big Ten like, for 

651
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:18,400
a while. 
There you were just so far 

652
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,600
behind. 
Everybody else that just now 

653
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,900
doing what everyone else is 
doing. 

654
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:26,100
Get you back to level, but 
you've got to now the key you 

655
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:29,100
have to atone for like 30 years 
of not you know, paying bills. 

656
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:30,699
And that that's kind. 
Where they're at. 

657
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,199
You mentioned going forward. 
You know I think we all expected

658
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,500
a good number of transfers. 
You're seeing the people go in 

659
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:41,199
the transfer port for the first 
three of three of the first four

660
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:42,699
people who transfer quarterback 
set. 

661
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:45,699
That's not great. 
But the one that I think we were

662
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:48,600
all expecting but that hurts was
Des on mcculloh. 

663
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:52,400
You watched him on defense and 
it's like that's one of those 

664
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,500
guys are like my God. 
That is a talent. 

665
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:57,600
Like, that's a really great 
player teams were running 

666
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,600
things. 
Just always the opposite side of

667
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,200
the field. 
Old away from him again, not 

668
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,800
surprised. 
But its tongue, you know, any 

669
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,600
thoughts on just the people who 
are entering the portal and to 

670
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,500
your point of again? 
This is where it's a tough 

671
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:15,600
thing. 
You've got to sell this vision 

672
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,400
of the future but it is really 
tough when you're losing all of 

673
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,400
these guys that you had this 
year. 

674
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,400
And again, teams can do at 
Michigan state has shown they 

675
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,400
can they can go 0 to 100 with 
the portal. 

676
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,300
It's not that it can't be done. 
Unfortunately, you know, so far 

677
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:34,100
in the Allen tenure, we haven't 
had great results with it. 

678
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:37,200
Some good hits here and there in
the portal, I'm just curious 

679
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,100
your thought of people who are 
in the portal and then how that 

680
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:41,900
continues to kind of how you 
spin that into positive notes 

681
00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:44,000
for IU fans. 
Well, my view on that is, you 

682
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,600
know, How much does it hurt to 
lose your best players from a 

683
00:35:48,607 --> 00:35:50,800
team that's won six games in two
years. 

684
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,900
I mean, you know, that's that, 
you know, they've won six games 

685
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:57,300
in two years. 
So the McCulloch one hurts, but 

686
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:00,000
it's not unexpected, it's not, 
you know, I mean, we know the 

687
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,900
second that his dad left, you 
know, it was a thing that, you 

688
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:06,600
know, hey was, it was surprising
that the kids stuck around what 

689
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,100
he did and I wish him the 
absolute best wherever he goes, 

690
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,800
but he's a real talent and this 
is the new world of college. 

691
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:18,100
Bald guys can go ahead and and 
be successful and then move on. 

692
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:21,600
Now if you're Indiana, what you 
want to do is find those best 

693
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,300
young players who maybe were 
overlooked and gain some 

694
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:31,100
experience in, you know, just 
some non power 5 conferences and

695
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:33,300
make the move to, to bring them 
up. 

696
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,700
But, you know, you know, losing 
guys to the portal. 

697
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,100
It's not only just real life in 
college football now. 

698
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:45,000
But again, you have a team that 
won six games in two years, And 

699
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:48,100
so I mean we lost our best 
player from, you know, you lose 

700
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:51,600
your best player from that. 
What did you lose because it 

701
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,300
was, you know, so what he did 
you would have won four games in

702
00:36:54,308 --> 00:36:58,100
the past two years is that men. 
I mean it doesn't really make a 

703
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:01,600
make a huge impact based on 
where this program is. 

704
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,300
It's just a program that has a 
lot of holes in a lot of places 

705
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,700
and too. 
Rebuild it and get it to where 

706
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:15,900
it needs to go. 
I is going to be an incredible 

707
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,400
challenge for the program that 
has lost more games than any 

708
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,900
team in any program in college 
football history and history 

709
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:26,600
doesn't mean it is important to 
the fans and the media. 

710
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,600
The players every 
eighteen-year-old that steps on 

711
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,100
campus thinks he's going to be 
changing changing changing. 

712
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:35,200
He doesn't care about it. 
So you are selling the future on

713
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,000
what it's going to be and that's
why it to me again the vision of

714
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,200
what we're going to be. 
This is Is how it gets done has 

715
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,100
to be really, really important, 
and really, really clear and 

716
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:50,000
really, really realistic, too. 
Because it is, you know, turning

717
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,500
football programs around, is a 
battleship, not a speedboat. 

718
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:57,500
It did takes time and so you 
want to see things that you 

719
00:37:57,500 --> 00:37:59,700
could build on in cell for the 
future. 

720
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:03,200
And unfortunately, this past 
year, there wasn't a lot to 

721
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,200
where you could say. 
Hey you know what? 

722
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,700
Yeah, they're struggling now but
in the future that defense looks

723
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:10,600
really good or that Fence looks 
really good. 

724
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:16,800
Or this receiver is to real, 
playmaker, camper was solid. 

725
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,700
I'll put it that way and I'm 
sorry that he got hurt and I 

726
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:24,500
look forward to seeing him out 
there again but I we just didn't

727
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,600
see enough of him to say hey 
that's a game changer that you 

728
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,300
got to worry about every single 
time out. 

729
00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:32,400
He's a superstar. 
There are no stars in this IU 

730
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,800
football program period. 
And it's I say that, you know, 

731
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,800
even with before McCulloch would
went into the portal. 

732
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,600
He's a freshman and so there's, 
there's potential there. 

733
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,800
Anything you get out of a true 
freshman is bonus every single 

734
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,200
time. 
There is not a single star on 

735
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,200
this on this, in this football 
program. 

736
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,000
And that's a real issue so quick
hitter questions. 

737
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,800
I've always wanted to ask you 
about doing the postgame. 

738
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,100
What are the? 
What are the comments that you 

739
00:38:57,107 --> 00:38:59,100
get from fans? 
It's in the last year or two 

740
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,800
that you think are like, what do
you hear the most? 

741
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,800
And then you think are the most 
you agree with the most and you 

742
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,100
disagree with the most, when you
hear from Hands in the post 

743
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:14,300
game. 
Um, that's a good question on 

744
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,800
the ones that I I'll tell you 
what, I think is the dumbest on.

745
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:21,200
Ya think that people say is when
they say that Indiana has to 

746
00:39:21,207 --> 00:39:24,900
leave the Big Ten and, you know,
they should join the Mac for 

747
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:27,800
football and all that. 
It's like, you understand that 

748
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,800
it is football, that drives the 
bus, it is period, everybody 

749
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,400
loves their basketball at IU. 
But if you have one cell out of 

750
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,300
Memorial Stadium, that is three 
full. 

751
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:38,800
Sellouts at Assembly Hall, every
single one. 

752
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:42,200
And So, you know, if you have, 
you're able to sell out that 

753
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,200
football stadium, even having 
one of the smallest football 

754
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,800
stadiums in the Big Ten. 
If you sell out, that Stadium, 

755
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,600
47, home games, eight home 
games, that's 350,000. 

756
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,200
People, you're not getting that 
420 basketball games. 

757
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,700
That's not how it how that 
works. 

758
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,300
So, in football is what drives 
the bus. 

759
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,000
So that to me is the dumbest 
thing. 

760
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,800
The other thing is just the 
constant drumbeat of it's the 

761
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,900
coach. 
That's the problem. 

762
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:09,400
It's a they need to fire the 
coach they need fire die. 

763
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,900
I am very, very slow on firing 
the coach especially for IU 

764
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:17,800
football in the reason is is 
we've been firing coaches every 

765
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:23,100
couple of years for the past 100
years and it's not every time 

766
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:30,100
you do that, it is such a huge 
issue and a huge jolt to the 

767
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:33,400
system that it takes years to 
recover from that because you 

768
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,600
have a new guy comes in, has a 
whole new way of going about 

769
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,400
things. 
A whole new approach has to 

770
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,000
build it. 
So it takes time Sometimes it's 

771
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,600
necessary. 
I'm not saying it's not, but it 

772
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,100
just, you know, it's everybody 
wants to fire everybody. 

773
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:48,300
It's, that's the guy I think 
that to a certain extent, 

774
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:54,000
coaches, get too much credit and
they get too much criticism 

775
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,700
because it's a two-part 
equation. 

776
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:59,900
Players have to execute, you 
have to be out there doing and 

777
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:04,000
you're learning the game. 
But you also when you walk onto 

778
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,300
campus as a big 10 football 
player, you damn well, better 

779
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:11,400
have a pretty good sense of How 
to play the game to begin with 

780
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:15,800
if you're going to to be 
successful on the the thing that

781
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:22,000
I think that I agree with the 
most is just the frustrations 

782
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,200
that people have with this 
program and how issues year over

783
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,600
year over year coach after coach
after coach, I've been covering 

784
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,000
the team for 18 Seasons now. 
And I have seen the same things 

785
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,100
happen over and over and over 
again. 

786
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,100
And there have been improvements
along the way, the Stadium looks

787
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,700
a hell of a lot better now than 
it did in 2005. 

788
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,900
The linemen are bigger the, the 
effort to, to bring in 

789
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:52,400
nutritionists and improve the 
weight room and all of that have

790
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,000
all been great but the results 
aren't there. 

791
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,900
And you can't put up a giant 
flag pole and say hey we really 

792
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:05,200
help the football program to me.
It really is just being you. 

793
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,100
I agree that they you need to be
realistic about what the issues 

794
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:12,500
are. 
And I don't think Indiana has 

795
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:16,600
always from a departmental 
standpoint been realistic or 

796
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,700
approach things in the best way 
in terms of how can we fix 

797
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:23,400
football. 
And that's, you know, there has 

798
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,400
to be a top-to-bottom change in 
attitude when it comes to to 

799
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,600
Indiana flip on. 
And by top to bottom, I mean, 

800
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:34,000
president athletic, director, 
coaches players, fan base, all 

801
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,000
of it, it has to be, it has to 
be a priority in a way that it 

802
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,700
is one of the priorities. 
Authorities instead of the 

803
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,500
priority that I think it 
deserves to be. 

804
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:46,400
Yeah, if somebody wants to get 
on the post game show with a 

805
00:42:46,408 --> 00:42:48,000
call. 
What's the best way to do that? 

806
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,600
I did besides going in that's 
all that's the only way. 

807
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,900
I mean like is there a better 
question to get on? 

808
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:56,700
Like is there a way to we don't 
we don't bring the questions 

809
00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:06,200
before and we have never had a 
show especially after a loss in 

810
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,400
which we've just had the phones 
lines have been packed Non-Stop.

811
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:13,100
And all the way to the end. 
We're usually filling a segment 

812
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:17,100
at the end without callers 
because, you know, and the other

813
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:21,300
way they could do it is, you 
know, tweet at me and I'll ask 

814
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:23,700
the question on there. 
They have to be listening, but 

815
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:27,300
they call look, there's a reason
why basically the same two or 

816
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:29,100
three guys are the first callers
every week. 

817
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:30,500
They don't get preferential 
treatment. 

818
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:32,800
It's they pick up the phone and 
call and it is. 

819
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:35,700
It's really that simple. 
Okay, good to know what. 

820
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:37,100
There you go. 
I'm trying to get you collars 

821
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:39,400
for the show. 
So where do we? 

822
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:41,400
We go from here. 
But like what do you see the 

823
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,500
Outlook, you know, for how, I 
don't know how to ask, I can't 

824
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:47,500
even know how to turn around. 
Like, what do you see the 

825
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:51,000
Outlook moving forward? 
Because it's, it is tough. 

826
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,700
I mean, you know, you have the 
most losses in college football 

827
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:56,000
for all the reasons we said, 
it's kind of a dire situation 

828
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000
that said you're going to bring 
back. 

829
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,700
Basically the same coaching 
staff, you're going to bring 

830
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:01,700
back some new players. 
You're still going to play in 

831
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:04,700
the Big 10 East. 
That's also one of my other 

832
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:06,400
favorite tropes. 
It drives me wild seems like 

833
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,100
it's just not fair like you know
has just said well that's who we

834
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:09,800
play. 
Throat. 

835
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,100
Like we play that we are in that
division, like we gotta win 

836
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:14,300
those games but II agree with 
you on that. 

837
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:18,000
Here's the challenge. 
Therefore, I you football and it

838
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,800
had it played out this year. 
So you had Indiana lost a couple

839
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,000
of very close games. 
You know, right before the by 

840
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,600
you get to the by, you come back
from that you have to pay play 

841
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,700
Penn State and Ohio State and 
you're already struggling 

842
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:38,200
mentally, because you've lost 
some, some, some tight games and

843
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,500
then you come back and you get 
Buy two of the better teams in 

844
00:44:40,508 --> 00:44:45,100
the country. 
And after you lose that to Ohio 

845
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:46,600
State, you're out of Bowl, 
contention? 

846
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:51,800
Yeah, to me every year, 
historically, Michigan Penn 

847
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,400
State, Ohio State or losses 
before the season starts 

848
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,300
historically? 
Yeah, you're going to on 

849
00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:59,800
occasion. 
They pulled off an upset, but 

850
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:04,700
you have to go. 
Because you're going, you have 

851
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:08,800
nine games after that, you have,
you can do no worse than 6 and 

852
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,700
3. 
In the other night games, you 

853
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:14,500
have to win two thirds of your 
game, just to get Bowl eligible,

854
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,600
just the to have the bare 
minimum of what's considered a 

855
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,800
success and on a football 
season, that's a real challenge.

856
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,000
Now, like you said, that's 
reality, that's life. 

857
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:27,800
That's what you're dealing with.
So there's not going to be any 

858
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,100
changing bad. 
Yeah. 

859
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:33,700
They realign their might, you 
know, USC and UCLA. 

860
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,200
Maybe you don't have to deal 
with those three teams, but you 

861
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,400
might have to deal with USC or 
UCLA and you are historically a 

862
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,200
program that has really 
struggled. 

863
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,700
So there's the reality, there's 
something to it, you know from a

864
00:45:48,707 --> 00:45:52,700
mental standpoint of you know, 
taking you know, three games, 

865
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:55,600
where convincing guys, they're 
going to go out there and beat 

866
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,500
Michigan and Penn State. 
And Ohio State is a real 

867
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,400
Challenge and and it's a of 
mental hurdle to get over. /, 

868
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:04,400
but it's reality like you said 
that's life. 

869
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,700
So you know there there is 
something to it but it's also 

870
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:11,100
something that's not going away 
so you better damn well get used

871
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:14,000
to it. 
Yeah it's you said you've 

872
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,900
covered all you for 18 years 
when kind of wrap on this I love

873
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,400
the rap on a positive note but 
it's hard it's hard Without You 

874
00:46:19,408 --> 00:46:21,800
football. 
The the frustrating thing 

875
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,600
watching IU football as we both 
have for you know a lot of time 

876
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,400
is you know, coaches change, 
athletic, directors, change, 

877
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,200
presidents chain so you can't 
even pin it on any of these. 

878
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:35,800
But it's like everything else 
stays the same with IU football 

879
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,100
and then you see other programs 
are able to break through and 

880
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:41,100
have blips. 
Like Illinois doesn't have an 

881
00:46:41,107 --> 00:46:43,900
inherently better recruiting 
base than we do, but yet this 

882
00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:46,100
year, they were, you know, eight
and four or whatever they were 

883
00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:49,500
being in 2002. 
I think they made, you know, the

884
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:51,600
Sugar Bowl, you know, we just 
see /. 

885
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,100
Do you know, they beat Ohio 
State a couple of years ago 

886
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,000
there in the Big Ten West 
Championship? 

887
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,100
I know it's the west but that's 
fine. 

888
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:00,600
Like Northwestern has their 
spikes, you know, Marilyn has 

889
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,700
seized relate with a pop off. 
You know, Michigan State made it

890
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:08,300
to the playoff one year in our 
division and none of those 

891
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:10,000
schools. 
I think have inherently, you 

892
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,200
know, maybe slightly better 
stadiums is not like they have, 

893
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,900
you know, it's not I'm not 
talking about Ohio State Penn 

894
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:16,500
State or Michigan here, even 
Wisconsin. 

895
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:19,000
Like right every other school 
and something Galen brought up 

896
00:47:19,008 --> 00:47:22,100
in one of his last pods, that 
was really, he has a spreadsheet

897
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:24,200
called IU football history, just
sucks or something. 

898
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,700
But it's like you look over the 
last 20 years teams that have 

899
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:30,200
beaten, Ohio, State, and 
everyone's done it. 

900
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:32,100
Yeah, except for us. 
Yes, and your team. 

901
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:33,900
Be Michigan. 
It's like, you know, Maryland's 

902
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:36,600
beat him, two or three times, 
you know, pain produce got him a

903
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,000
couple times. 
I don't play him every time and 

904
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,700
it's that's the part that gets 
frustrating. 

905
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:42,300
It's like the Ice Age, just 
comes in and out. 

906
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:44,400
Like, everything, changes, 
everything happens. 

907
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,800
But like we still can't beat 
Ohio State. 

908
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,800
And that's, that's the 
frustrating part. 

909
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,000
And to me it's like that's the 
mentality change that has to 

910
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,800
happen. 
Is, you are 100%, right? 

911
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,700
And I agree with a look at the 
schedule every year. 

912
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:57,700
It's like loss loss loss to Ohio
State, Michigan, Penn State. 

913
00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:59,300
And we move on to a rest of our 
schedule. 

914
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,100
We've got to change that. 
We've got to change that. 

915
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,300
Like beating Ohio State. 
While not easy, and not 

916
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:08,000
something. 
We're going to do every year 

917
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:11,400
cannot be this. 
Once every 50 year Herculean 

918
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,400
task that happens, you know, 
other teams can do it. 

919
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,100
It can be done by programs all 
across the Spectrum and there's 

920
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:22,600
almost like a, I don't know, 
there's a mentality that sense 

921
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,500
in, with fans when everything 
changes and, you know, to your 

922
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:27,400
point, they may have a coach, 
you will get new coaches. 

923
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:33,500
Like we've had nine 10 coaches 
in the 40 years, nobody's 

924
00:48:33,500 --> 00:48:35,100
beating Ohio State. 
So it's not like they could, but

925
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:37,600
it's like this is where, I don't
know what the answer is and it 

926
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,700
gets frustrating. 
When I see every other program 

927
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:43,000
kind of pop off and to be like, 
Pruitt, Illinois, the perfect 

928
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,200
examples because they don't 
inherently have anything 

929
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,200
different than Indiana has. 
Like they're produced fighting 

930
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,000
the exact same territory. 
They've had were Seasons than we

931
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,500
have, they probably have a 
worse. 

932
00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:59,000
If not similar stadium to us. 
There's nothing that that makes 

933
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,200
us different except for the 
fact, they're able to pop off. 

934
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,400
So not really. 
A question, they're just more of

935
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,700
a comment and I'll let you react
to that and then we'll try and 

936
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:10,300
find a positive way to end this.
Consider that there is no, I you

937
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:13,100
coach, who's left for a 
different job since Sam wyche. 

938
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,900
Yeah, nobody Indiana hasn't put 
it together and then taken away 

939
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:20,600
there and I and that's and 
that's I'm so happy you meant 

940
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,900
that something that I've talked 
about, like, when Kevin Wilson a

941
00:49:22,908 --> 00:49:25,400
little bit of success. 
People are like, oh my God, what

942
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,000
if we lose them? 
And I do think that happened 

943
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,300
with Allen a little bit as well,
I stand by the extension, they 

944
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:31,700
gave him. 
It was the right thing to do at 

945
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:34,800
the right. 
I'm not saying that was wrong by

946
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,900
people got this, like, oh my 
God, what if we lose in Alabama?

947
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:37,900
Or, you know, one of those will 
all burn. 

948
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:40,400
It's like that's good. 
Like that means we're doing the 

949
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,100
right thing. 
Like we are not a program where 

950
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:46,500
this is a destination job yet. 
Like in the fact that we had 

951
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:49,300
assistance leave for head 
coaching jobs, that's great. 

952
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:52,500
But these are all things that 
need to happen and honestly we 

953
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:56,000
need to have a coach hired by 
somebody else to move up the 

954
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,000
pecking order because that is a 
sign that our program is moving 

955
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,600
forward. 
So I've always been on that 

956
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,200
corner that Like we should let 
it go. 

957
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,400
My only thing with the Allen 
contract, I will say that they 

958
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,100
might have made a mistake. 
Is you had to give that buyout? 

959
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:11,700
You had to give that guaranteed 
money. 

960
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:14,200
Everything you did was right. 
I like the contract the time I 

961
00:50:14,207 --> 00:50:18,800
stand by it, but there is a part
with IU, where it does feel like

962
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,100
at times. 
They want to play with the big 

963
00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:23,800
boys but then they don't when it
comes time to pay the piper. 

964
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,500
And what I mean by that is if 
Mel Tucker has another really 

965
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:32,400
bad season or he goes to and 10.
I guarantee you that They're 

966
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,300
going to be really close to 
buying him out, even though it's

967
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:37,800
going to be a gargantuan number.
This happens at Notre Dame, like

968
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,900
screw it, we'll just pay off 
Weiss and you know, 15, 20 

969
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:43,100
years. 
There does come a point with IU 

970
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:45,500
where it's like if you're going 
to sign the big boy guaranteed 

971
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:48,700
contract like the big boys and 
pay a coach in the top 30 in the

972
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:51,600
country. 
The flip side is if things don't

973
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,900
work, you got to buy them out 
and like, yes, it sucks like 

974
00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:56,100
where you going to find 30 
million dollars. 

975
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,600
I don't know, but that's what 
the big boys do. 

976
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,300
And that's always the struggle I
had with Indiana's like they 

977
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:03,600
have one foot in the deep water 
but they have one foot in the 

978
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,800
shallow water and it's always 
when it comes time and I'm not 

979
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,500
saying they should buy. 
I'm not saying they should or 

980
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:10,300
shouldn't, but it's like the 
fact that it's like, we know 

981
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:12,300
it's not going to happen. 
I think that's a problem. 

982
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:15,400
Well, that, you know, with Alan,
you mentioned the coordinators? 

983
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,000
I will not accept the idea that 
Tom Allen doesn't know what he's

984
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,600
doing as a coach or doesn't know
what he's doing when it raises 

985
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,200
hires, because he has hired 
well, in the past guys have hit 

986
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,800
and it can't be over. 
He just got lucky. 

987
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,000
No, it's not. 
That simple. 

988
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:32,900
It's not that simple. 
Kalin tube or was a guy At that 

989
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:35,600
he got that was tremendously 
successful cane Womack. 

990
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:38,200
So tremendously successful have 
moved on. 

991
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,300
I did they did their 
Replacements enjoy the same 

992
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:47,000
success? 
Maybe not but it it wasn't a 

993
00:51:47,008 --> 00:51:48,500
matter of him. 
Getting lucky just like he 

994
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:51,200
wasn't getting lucky and in 
turning that defense around his 

995
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,900
first year as defensive 
coordinator, he knows what he's 

996
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:56,700
doing in terms of some of that 
stuff. 

997
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,700
It doesn't always work. 
What you're what you're selling 

998
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:02,900
guys. 
Don't always buy and So that to 

999
00:52:02,908 --> 00:52:09,100
me is a challenge with that, you
talked about mentality as well. 

1000
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:13,000
And I am a big believer that 
that Penn State went over 

1001
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,500
Indiana's, win over Penn State 
in 2020. 

1002
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:17,800
Doesn't happen. 
If fans are in the building, 

1003
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:21,400
what I mean by that is people 
forget that they remember, 

1004
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,900
Pennock stretching and maybe or 
maybe not hitting, that pylon 

1005
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:27,100
official said he hit it, so it 
counts. 

1006
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:33,400
The, the, the, the Takeaway on 
that is Indiana was Down, Andy 

1007
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,100
Indiana, had to had given up on 
the lead. 

1008
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:42,600
If fans are there the vibe in 
the building changes because it 

1009
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,800
is, here we go again. 
We've seen this before, here we 

1010
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,700
go and everybody tenses up but 
fans weren't there and I'm not, 

1011
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:49,900
don't get me wrong. 
I am not blaming fans. 

1012
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:55,800
I am blaming humans for how they
react in that that situation and

1013
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,500
so when things start to go 
poorly, The energy in the 

1014
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:03,800
building can be a very much. 
So here we go again, we saw it 

1015
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,300
with the defense over and over 
again. 

1016
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,200
Where Indiana would get a couple
of stops but then the offense 

1017
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,300
would come out and do three and 
out a quick three and out at 

1018
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:14,300
that, I'm that's a whole nother 
other thing there. 

1019
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:17,500
But quick, three and out. 
You could see the defense go out

1020
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:18,500
there and kind of hang their 
head. 

1021
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:21,000
Like, here we go again. 
We've seen this at this before 

1022
00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:24,600
the psychology, the mentality of
all of it. 

1023
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,800
How do you learn to win? 
If you don't win, it's tough. 

1024
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:31,500
Tough. 
It's really really difficult and

1025
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:35,100
so you know, it's how do you fix
it? 

1026
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,500
That's the the 100 million 
dollar question, isn't it? 

1027
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:42,800
Now, how do you fix it? 
And the, the I don't know the 

1028
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,200
answer to it. 
But what I'm also concerned 

1029
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,200
about is, nobody knows the 
answer to it because we've seen 

1030
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,900
it done so many different ways. 
And I mean, look at the 

1031
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:55,900
blueprint has always been kind 
of Wisconsin and Kansas State in

1032
00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:58,500
redshirting guys and and 
building from the top, those 

1033
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:00,500
days are over baby there, it's 
over. 

1034
00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:03,600
It is, you know, an important 
changes everything with that. 

1035
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,600
So you can't just No money at 
it. 

1036
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,100
It's not as simple as that, you 
know. 

1037
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:12,100
It's, you can't just get a 
better weight room and they 

1038
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:14,700
were, you know, throw a bunch of
money at the coaches because the

1039
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:17,100
same people that are saying 
Indiana's being cheap when it 

1040
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:20,100
comes to their assistants are 
going to be there on a Saturday 

1041
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:22,100
afternoon screaming. 
I can't believe this guy is 

1042
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:23,700
getting paid three million 
dollars for that. 

1043
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:25,900
What a waste of money. 
What's Indiana doing? 

1044
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:33,400
So I mean it's, you have to 
perform and The biggest problem 

1045
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,400
is that Indiana is spinning, its
Wheels. 

1046
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,300
It is stuck in the mud right now
in terms of momentum, because 

1047
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:43,400
there's not a lot to build off 
of over the past couple of 

1048
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,600
years. 
And that's why, again, the step 

1049
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,200
one for this coaching staff is 
to spell out how they what their

1050
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,500
vision is, and it can't be 
platitudes. 

1051
00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:55,100
It can't be. 
It has to be specific. 

1052
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:56,800
Hey, this is what we're going to
do. 

1053
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,000
It's not. 
We're going to be gritty. 

1054
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,000
We're going to be tough. 
We're going to be. 

1055
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,600
Nope, don't I don't want to hear
that. 

1056
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,000
It is, we're building. 
Hang around a dual threat 

1057
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,200
quarterback. 
We are, you know, to this is our

1058
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,600
vision. 
It has to be really specific 

1059
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,200
because you're not just selling 
recruits. 

1060
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,900
You are selling fans. 
You are selling people to get 

1061
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:16,400
out to the stadium and I think 
that that has to start in Spring

1062
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,400
ball so I'll leave you on this. 
New kind of just answered it but

1063
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,800
you know what do you want to see
this offseason? 

1064
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:26,700
That'll make you more positive 
about next season and so for me 

1065
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:31,600
I will say I would like to see 
Alan take a step away. 

1066
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:34,500
From being defensive coordinator
and just be the head coach. 

1067
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:38,600
I think as it's honestly nothing
it didn't work well this year 

1068
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:42,000
but I mean to me defensive 
coordinator is a job. 

1069
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,900
Head coach is a job and one 
person trying to do both. 

1070
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,700
I think that's very tough. 
And the head coach in Indiana is

1071
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:51,100
Tough Enough. 
You don't need to have another 

1072
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:54,500
full-time job on the docket. 
So to me, I would love to see 

1073
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,000
that be something that takes 
place where Alan at least sees 

1074
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,300
this as like. 
All right, I've got to hand this

1075
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:02,100
over. 
Like I just got to Trust that 

1076
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:05,200
they can do. 
So for me, that's my answer, I'm

1077
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,700
just curious. 
What would you see this Austin's

1078
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:09,700
would say, all right, I'm 
getting more excited about next 

1079
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:12,300
year. 
It just has to, like I said it's

1080
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:14,500
a vision. 
It is a you spell out what we're

1081
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,400
going to do to fix this, you 
know this this is our plan. 

1082
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,000
It's a you have to have some 
kind of some kind of plan but I 

1083
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,600
wanted spelled out of what it 
is, we're going to be a team 

1084
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:27,800
that is going to, you know, have
a dual threat guy and we're 

1085
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,900
going to have multiple guys that
could could run the same 

1086
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:33,000
offense. 
You Have just you know have 

1087
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,000
completely different offenses 
depending on who the quarterback

1088
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,600
is with the defensive 
coordinator stuff. 

1089
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,300
I totally get it. 
He was it happens all the time 

1090
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:44,600
where a defensive coordinator 
offensive Corner did they get 

1091
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,100
lifted head coach and they try 
to do both and they can't do it 

1092
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:51,100
because it's just it's they're 
completely different jobs. 

1093
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:54,600
I even understood him taking 
over the defense again because 

1094
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:58,000
running the defense has what got
him to where he was and he 

1095
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,700
wanted to trust somebody who was
doing it to do it the way he He 

1096
00:57:01,707 --> 00:57:04,800
wanted to so I even understand 
that but I do understand your 

1097
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,500
point, those are different jobs,
that's why, you know, your 

1098
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:11,500
teams, have it because it has to
be a manager job. 

1099
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,800
And you know it's there has been
a disconnect but that defense 

1100
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,100
the past couple of years that is
disturbing because again, you 

1101
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:23,800
need an identity and your head 
coaches identity was defense, 

1102
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:27,200
you need to rebuild that. 
You have to have to say, we're 

1103
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,900
going to be. 
These are the steps we're not 

1104
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:32,400
like a five-point plan or 
anything, but you Have a Clear 

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Vision in a spelled out Vision 
because where we're at right now

1106
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you know you could have guys get
to talk about buyouts and all 

1107
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that you got to set yourself a 
goal for it and say this is how 

1108
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we're going to do it. 
And you these are my benchmarks 

1109
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and it isn't winning wins or 
losses but a benchmarks. 

1110
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And you know, if we don't hit 
them then you're right. 

1111
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,800
Somebody else should be the head
coach here. 

1112
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But this is the plan going 
forward. 

1113
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This is how we're going to fix 
it, and watch us make it happen.

1114
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:01,400
Yep. 
Well Ken, I appreciate you 

1115
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coming. 
A on man. 

1116
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:04,000
It's been fun. 
We got to do this once a year at

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the end of the season. 
I'm have recap and definitely 

1118
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check out can on the postgame 
call-in show next football 

1119
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,400
season maybe you and Joe Smith. 
Again not sure who your host 

1120
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your co-host is going to be but 
I always just hope they bring me

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back. 
Yeah I mean you gotta get to 20 

1122
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years if you follow me on 
Twitter at K by cough b ik o FF 

1123
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,700
Ken, always a pleasure, 
appreciate you coming on. 

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And until next time for 
everybody I thank you all for 

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00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,500
listening. 
This is Scott for Crimson cast. 

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Signing off.