1 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,200 You're listening to the back home. 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,600 Network, presented by home-field apparel. 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,700 Welcome back to Crimson, Cask ale and Claudio, Scott Caulfield 4 00:00:21,700 --> 00:00:24,000 here. It is the 10th of January of 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,500 2022. It's good to be back with you 6 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:28,500 folks. Once again a busy weekend in 7 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:32,299 Indiana University. Jetix we'll talk about that and 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,400 there's a lot to speak of and basketball and I even some 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,100 football news we got going on Scott and and some interesting 10 00:00:39,100 --> 00:00:42,200 stuff to say the least and as with most things with football, 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,300 we don't know if it's good or bad and won't for eight months, 12 00:00:45,300 --> 00:00:46,800 but we are compelled to speak about it. 13 00:00:46,808 --> 00:00:47,800 Scott. How are you doing? 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,600 Good to see you and I'm doing great. 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,900 I can't imagine that you hate October more than you hate this 16 00:00:52,900 --> 00:00:54,500 weather. It's freezing outside. 17 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:57,100 The holidays are over. There's just basketball to get 18 00:00:57,100 --> 00:00:59,600 us through which is good. I've said this before and I'll 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,099 repeat It I actually don't mind this as much as I mind October 20 00:01:04,099 --> 00:01:09,400 because there is an encroaching sense of death in fall in the 21 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,400 late fall. Death is already here in 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,700 January. Like if you go out and stand in 23 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:17,500 this for 12 hours, you're not coming back from it. 24 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:22,200 And so I've almost like, it's easier for me to accept what's 25 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,000 happened then kind of go through the dread and anticipation of 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,200 what's about to come if that makes any sense. 27 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:31,900 It's Why up, like it's being in the middle of your dentist 28 00:01:31,900 --> 00:01:33,800 appointment versus driving to the dentist's point. 29 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,000 It's like it's much easier to live through a 111 Indiana 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,300 football season than it is to live through like a five and 31 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:43,900 seven football season that will likely lead to a 1 and 11 season 32 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:45,500 the following year. Does that make sense? 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:52,000 Yeah. 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I really need crewnecks right 45 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,800 now, but I like, the problem is, I need Nan. 46 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:36,400 Blue crew necks because I've been told that it's a fashion 47 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,800 faux pas to wear a blue crewneck or a blue hoodie with blue 48 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,500 jeans. Like it's too much blue. 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,200 You need to mix it up a little bit. 50 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,100 Scott's like I don't care how you know, I'm a 43-year old dad. 51 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:50,300 I wear cargo shorts. Like I've given up on Fast. 52 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:53,000 Yeah, but I want to talk to you but I'm actively trying to avoid 53 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,200 that anyway, so, you know, I don't want to turn into Scott I 54 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,400 guess is my big concern and so how shots Fire. 55 00:03:01,300 --> 00:03:03,800 You're just doing this to get. We can all come together on home 56 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:04,600 field. We can all agree. 57 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,700 The open up on fashion. Having my God. 58 00:03:06,700 --> 00:03:09,000 I don't want to be that way. Anyway, home field apparel is 59 00:03:09,008 --> 00:03:10,400 the place to go. If you haven't been to home 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,000 field to check out these designs. 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,600 And these new schools. You can use the code home at uh, 62 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,200 ome 15 percent off your first order. 63 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,400 Be sure to go check them out as they just constantly drop 64 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,400 amazing stuff on the store and you'll want to buy most of it as 65 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,600 I think all of us have. So anyway, as we get into 66 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,100 things. Let's talk basketball first 67 00:03:31,100 --> 00:03:35,000 Scott when we last talked about this time last week, little 68 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,600 concerned about IU basketball. They had dropped that game on 69 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,400 the road to Penn State. We had a nice back and forth. 70 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,200 I think talking about some of the implications from that and 71 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,200 since then the Hoosiers are 2 and 0, they respond in a big way 72 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,500 with a home Victory against Ohio State on Thursday night, and 73 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:56,000 then they turn around and have a pretty workmen like when this 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,800 past Sunday, as they defeat Minnesota at home. 75 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,900 These were two games that the advanced statistics expected, 76 00:04:03,900 --> 00:04:07,600 Indiana twin. So I wasn't surprised, but I 77 00:04:07,608 --> 00:04:09,300 think a lot of people were really surprised. 78 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:12,800 Not just at the victory over Ohio State, but the manner in 79 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,500 which the victory over Ohio, State happened as the Hoosiers, 80 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:18,800 really put the clamps down on Ohio State in the second half 81 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:22,500 and one by double digits against the number 13 team in the 82 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:24,600 country that had played pretty well up to that point of the 83 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,300 Season, you were there. I was there. 84 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:29,700 What was your overall take home from that game? 85 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:31,700 And also what we saw in the Minnesota game. 86 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:37,300 Yeah, I mean, you know, to your point I was nervous because, you 87 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:39,900 know, unfortunately, we've been conditioned the last five or six 88 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:43,300 years that we get these, you know, little bumps in the road 89 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:44,800 and then it's like, all right. Well, if we can just win you, 90 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,700 the next two or three, we can kind of get back on track. 91 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:48,600 We never do. And it ends up kind of becoming 92 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,700 this, this bumpy thing. Ya know, the Ohio State game. 93 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,700 Gotta remember back to that. That was, that was a great game. 94 00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:58,700 It was the game where it's like, oh, yeah, Trey Galloway. 95 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:01,300 Like I kind of forgot about him and then it's like, oh, this is 96 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,200 awesome. Command, like I'm listening to 97 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,500 the assembly call on the drive home and they're arguing over, 98 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:08,400 whether like was traced Jackson Davis, the player, the game was 99 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,100 Trey Gaudi the player the game. I think it's a everybody wins 100 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:13,100 that argument cause they were both fantastic. 101 00:05:13,100 --> 00:05:16,900 But you saw, you know, Trace Jackson Davis, pull out all of 102 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:21,800 the stops, great defensive, defensive effort, the blocking, 103 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,300 but you had Trey Galloway, where it's like, man, this was really 104 00:05:25,300 --> 00:05:28,600 a nice spark Off the Bench. Really helped make the offense 105 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,900 run as they mention on assembly call like the offense has to 106 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:34,600 Move when he's in because he he has to move. 107 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,800 Like he doesn't stop moving. So therefore it kind of like 108 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,700 kick start the offense every single time because he's just 109 00:05:40,700 --> 00:05:42,800 moving around, guys. Like oh, yeah, I gotta, I can't 110 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,900 just stand here. Whereas, without him you can see 111 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:49,600 a stagnate and you, you know, again just a bit of a higher 112 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,800 view, you know, there's a real glass half full. 113 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,200 Look at this season where it's like, you know, if Trey Galloway 114 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,700 is a round, maybe we win for those to Syracuse, Wisconsin 115 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:03,400 game. James, I'm not going to say both 116 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,300 but it's possible. Like both of those were games. 117 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:08,400 Were, you know, you see like a team that is need to figure out 118 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,200 how to win down the stretch and the Penn State game. 119 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,100 It's like, all right, as to your point many times that you have 120 00:06:14,100 --> 00:06:16,900 these Duds in the season, even in good years, where it's just 121 00:06:16,900 --> 00:06:19,600 like, if we didn't show up that game, it's not great, but you 122 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,400 can kind of look back and be like, besides, that, this team 123 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,400 is really good and maybe Trey Galloway, is there, you know, we 124 00:06:25,700 --> 00:06:27,300 have him for all three of those games. 125 00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:31,300 Maybe were, you know, 14 and one right now as opposed to 12:03 126 00:06:31,300 --> 00:06:33,500 and Stephen. Three is a really good position 127 00:06:33,500 --> 00:06:35,200 to be in. So I mean that was that the main 128 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,200 takeaway from that and we'll get to the Minnesota game. 129 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,500 That's that's my feeling on, on the Ohio, State game in a game 130 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:42,100 where, you know, there was no students. 131 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:46,000 The crowd was was okay, wasn't like a raucous crowd? 132 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:48,400 It got there. But yeah, I mean you saw kind of 133 00:06:48,407 --> 00:06:51,400 the full efforts of having a fired-up bench for than just 134 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,800 Trace Jackson Davis putting on an absolute Clinic. 135 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,900 Yeah. So on the Galloway point, I 136 00:06:55,907 --> 00:06:58,900 think it's interesting. He's at two games back now from 137 00:06:58,900 --> 00:07:03,500 the injury and he's been, you know, I think a really important 138 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:06,200 part of both of those games in different ways, the Ohio, State 139 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,200 game. He had one of those offensive 140 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,100 games that you hope that you are able to generate, as a player 141 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:15,200 who's coming off the bench. I mean over a point and a half 142 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,900 per possession used eight points. 143 00:07:17,900 --> 00:07:20,900 Three, four, five shooting 2 for 2 from the free-throw line for 144 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:23,400 assists. No turnovers to steals. 145 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,300 I mean, he he was such a spark plug for that team in the Ohio 146 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:31,500 State game and it wasn't just his testicle output, but it was 147 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,900 the and G. He brings to the table. 148 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:36,400 And you know, this is something that we talked about a little 149 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,800 bit on the last show and I've talked with some of my friends 150 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,400 about over the course of the last few weeks and trying to I 151 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,400 guess, you know, excavate the IU roster and figure out where the 152 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,300 problems are. And one of the big issues that I 153 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:56,200 think Indiana has and has had for several years now, really, 154 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:01,200 since 2016, 2017 is the lack of a lot of players who demonstrate 155 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,100 for Lack of a better term, Killer Instinct on the floor, 156 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,300 you know, or and maybe get Killer, Instinct is kind of a 157 00:08:08,300 --> 00:08:10,200 weird way of putting it, but just like. 158 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:15,500 So as much as everybody hates Brad Davidson or Davison, he has 159 00:08:15,500 --> 00:08:20,100 this kind of intangible factor to the way that he plays where 160 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:24,400 it's like, that dude is going to do a lot of little things, and a 161 00:08:24,407 --> 00:08:27,900 lot of effort things to win games that are going to make a 162 00:08:27,907 --> 00:08:30,500 difference. And it might not be all one 163 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:31,800 play, but it might be little bit. 164 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Pieces of five or six plays in those five or six plays end up 165 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,000 equating to Victory. And you can go through the 166 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,000 history of the Big Ten. I you always seem to have 167 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 players like that. It felt like during the night 168 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,500 era and then I would argue during the best Crane years. 169 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:49,700 They had players that were doing those things. 170 00:08:49,900 --> 00:08:52,100 You know, they think about that 2016 team. 171 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:53,700 The last team that won the Big Ten title. 172 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:57,100 I mean, it wasn't just that you had Yogi Ferrell and Thomas 173 00:08:57,100 --> 00:09:01,400 Bryant but you had, you know, guys like Nick's ice Loft and 174 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:04,300 Max. Beal felt and guys who were just 175 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:09,000 really effort based players who might have lacked it in certain 176 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,600 technical skill, sets or athletic skill sets, but we're 177 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,300 able to help tip the scales and it just, it felt like the last 178 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:20,400 year of crean and most of, or maybe all of our cheese tenure. 179 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,400 Those were just not the types of players that were getting 180 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,900 recruited. They were talented players, but 181 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:30,100 there would be an obvious disjoint meant in the way that I 182 00:09:30,100 --> 00:09:32,900 you conducted its elves at certain times and they would 183 00:09:32,900 --> 00:09:34,600 play particularly, you know, the troubles that they've had 184 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,800 against Purdue, the troubles they've had against Wisconsin. 185 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:38,800 The troubles have had against Ohio State. 186 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:43,100 Those teams have generally had those types of players and 187 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,700 you've been or at least I've been like, wondering where are 188 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:49,700 those players for IU Galloway? At least in these two games back 189 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,300 has helped to Trait that and even in the Minnesota game where 190 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:55,800 he wasn't as big of a factor offensively, you know, he didn't 191 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,600 he didn't didn't hit the same number of shots, scored. 192 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,400 Almost the same number of points, but it was a little bit 193 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,800 more careless with the ball wasn't hitting from outside. 194 00:10:03,900 --> 00:10:07,300 He was still making little plays and little effort approaches 195 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:09,800 that helped. And if you'll notice over the 196 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,200 last couple of games, Woodson has defaulted to this lineup 197 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,400 that consists of Xavier Johnson Robb, fennessy. 198 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,900 Tray, Galloway, race Thompson, and Trace Jackson Davis, when 199 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:26,400 things are on the line Jared from assembly call. 200 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:31,100 Tweeted something, you know, over the course of the last 201 00:10:31,100 --> 00:10:33,700 couple of the last 10 games, I guess against top 200 202 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:36,200 competition. We're talks about like having 203 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,700 Johnson and fantasy on the floor at the same time. 204 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:41,700 And then you through Galloway, and who's also been in the last 205 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:44,400 couple of games in those lineups, those lineups, more 206 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,500 than anything else, have become very difficult to score, against 207 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,600 teams are not averaging above a point per possession. 208 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:53,900 Ocean against that lineup. And it seems like there's some 209 00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:57,900 special sauce that started to be generated there and particularly 210 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:02,000 with Galloway kind of acting in a much more aggressive manner 211 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,400 than the players that could be out there at that time. 212 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,700 And I'm talking specifically about Parker, Stewart and Miller 213 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:09,700 cop. Galloway is just brought such a 214 00:11:09,700 --> 00:11:12,900 higher level of intensity to what he does on the floor. 215 00:11:13,100 --> 00:11:17,700 That it really does kind of. Oh, I think add up to this kind 216 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:20,000 of Rozier scenario that you're talking about, maybe 217 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,500 historically. Where it's like if Galloway had 218 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:24,900 been able to play against a Syracuse or Wisconsin, maybe 219 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:26,900 there's a difference, maybe not. There's a thousand variables 220 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:28,100 that go into every basketball game. 221 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,200 But regardless of whatever the past was, you do have to feel 222 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,600 better about the future knowing that you've now got Galloway 223 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,200 able to come off the bench and give minutes at point guard at 224 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,900 the, to even at the three. That's a very versatile player 225 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,500 that's playing with a level of energy and intensity that we 226 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:47,500 just haven't necessarily seen from the guys that are in 227 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,000 starting in those roles. What I thought was also really 228 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,200 interesting. You mentioned, you know, I heard 229 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,600 this brought up in a couple of spots, you know, maybe you 230 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:57,100 should we shake up the starting lineup. 231 00:11:57,100 --> 00:12:00,700 I think no, I like Galloway Off the Bench but you know again, 232 00:12:00,700 --> 00:12:02,800 it's like not to matter who starts matters who finishes. 233 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,900 I thought it was amazing and it should have been this way but 234 00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:08,100 you know, Galloway, Miss 10 games. 235 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:10,300 He only played 19 minutes against Ohio, State getting 236 00:12:10,300 --> 00:12:13,100 close the game out like that. That should show us like, what 237 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:15,900 woods and things are what Galloway provides to this team, 238 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,800 you know, in a relatively close game against Ohio State, He's 239 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,300 there on the you know, well final five and it's like he had 240 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:25,700 played in a month and a half and he's like, he's closing the game 241 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:26,500 out. Well, what was it? 242 00:12:26,500 --> 00:12:29,100 Woodson said he's like, you know, I'm going to play guys who 243 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:32,300 play hard and if you're not playing hard you're going to sit 244 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:34,600 next to me. And look, we've talked about 245 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,200 this from the beginning. There's two different ways to 246 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,400 evaluate. What a coach does. 247 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,600 You can evaluate with the coach does in the game and then you 248 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,000 can evaluate what a coach does over the course of a season. 249 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,200 Multiple Seasons, what culture they're able? 250 00:12:49,300 --> 00:12:52,200 All to create and rightly or wrongly. 251 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,400 When you watched Archie, Miller's teams, play you always 252 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,500 kind of ask yourself. Where is the culture of 253 00:12:57,508 --> 00:13:00,600 accountability for guys that aren't playing particularly 254 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,700 hard? And it was never a question at 255 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:07,900 least in my mind of does a guy have the talent to be on the 256 00:13:07,900 --> 00:13:12,000 floor, but it was more. What is the guy doing to really 257 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:15,700 provide something to the team that's needed at that moment in 258 00:13:15,700 --> 00:13:17,600 time. And is there a sense of urgency? 259 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:19,200 Because I just felt like there wasn't. 260 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:23,400 In key moments. It was honestly, so, I was, I 261 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,700 got a chance, I went to Southern stone for breakfast before the 262 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:31,600 basketball game on Sunday and they had Big Ten Network up and 263 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,400 they were showing a replay of the Indiana Minnesota game from 264 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:39,200 2004, you know, so Mike, Davis coach game, not a great 265 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,200 Minnesota team, Indiana LED like almost the whole time. 266 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,100 They ended up losing at the end and it was a similar kind of 267 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:48,100 deal where it's like, where was the urgency when it mattered? 268 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:51,700 And it's felt like To some degree that's been missing from 269 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:54,400 a lot of Indiana teams down the stretch over the course of the 270 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,500 last couple of decades. So I'm I'm buoyed by the idea 271 00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:03,700 that Woodson might be focusing on effort and the fact that he's 272 00:14:03,700 --> 00:14:06,400 got enough players in the mix now that he can afford to not 273 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:11,500 play a Stewart or a cop or a Tomar Bates because he's got an 274 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:13,800 option now with Galloway who's willing to play hard. 275 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,800 Now, look we all watched Ray Galloway last year. 276 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,200 We know that Galloway kind of started off with this. 277 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,400 Level of intensity. And then it burned out and was 278 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,200 he was just not very effective on the floor for the last half 279 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,700 of the season. So I'm curious if he's learned 280 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:30,800 some lessons there if he's gotten some additional coaching 281 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,500 and he's gonna be able to sustain this throughout because 282 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:36,700 if he does if he has that ability then I do think that 283 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,100 opens up a different dimension of this Indiana team, 284 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:42,600 particularly in closing time in games where they have the lead, 285 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,900 or were it's closed where they can rely on this line up, not 286 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:48,800 just for defense, but also for the energy needed to help close 287 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,400 out games. Which has been a problem over 288 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,700 the course of the last several years. 289 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:55,400 The other thing that I'm positive about taking these two 290 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:01,200 games, is you kind of have I think what Indiana can be a real 291 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,100 pain for teams in that in both of the games. 292 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:06,900 You know, our defense was was great. 293 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:09,800 You know, we shut down, Ohio State, we shut down Minnesota. 294 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,500 We really shut down Ohio State, but when you look on the, so our 295 00:15:12,500 --> 00:15:16,600 defense continues to be just a rock solid defense, I think, at 296 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,900 one point, I know after Ohio State, we were, you know, First 297 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,000 in the Big Ten in you know, two point field goal percentage. 298 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,400 Not sure if we're still there, but what I love seeing is on the 299 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,800 offensive side, you have kind of this tale of two teams where 300 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,000 against Ohio State. It's like, all right, Tres 301 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Jackson, Davis and race. Thompson are going to provide, 302 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,800 you know, 38 of our points. You'll basically, the majority 303 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,000 of our points are going to come from. 304 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,500 The inside Trace is going to have just an amazing Trace game, 305 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:46,500 super efficient, and that's great because you're going to 306 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:49,100 get one of those out of him. Probably, you know, every three 307 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:50,400 hours. For games, you're going to get 308 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,300 just a great Trace, Jackson, Davis game. 309 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,900 And then you see the next game. It's like Minnesota's like, all 310 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:57,900 right, we're obviously going to double team Trace where 311 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:01,200 double-teaming everything in the post, Rob fantasy, Xavier 312 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,100 Johnson, go nuts. If you guys can shoot whatever 313 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:05,200 you want. I don't particularly think 314 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,700 they're going to shoot as well as they did in that game. 315 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:12,300 But if you can just have somewhat consistent 3-point, 316 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:15,600 shooting from those guys. Now, it's like you saw Minnesota 317 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,700 the second half, like we're not quite sure what to do. 318 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:19,200 Like, if it is, he's hitting threes. 319 00:16:19,300 --> 00:16:21,300 So, I guess I got to go up on him. 320 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:23,700 But if I got to come back on tracing it just, it messes 321 00:16:23,700 --> 00:16:28,200 everything up and it does really show the dynamic offense. 322 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,300 This team really could have, if we can get some consistent 323 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:33,600 three-point shooting that it's like, well, I'm not sure is a 324 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,900 defense. How you, how you stop Indiana 325 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:37,300 when they can do both of those things. 326 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:39,200 I mean, obviously we're not going to like win out. 327 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,700 I'm not saying that but it really shows a higher level and 328 00:16:42,700 --> 00:16:45,400 you saw it in these two games that the different ways that we 329 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,200 can win games because the last thing I'll say like, Tres 330 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,100 Jackson Davis against You know, against Minnesota. 331 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:55,600 He only had what 11 13 points didn't go to them a lot. 332 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,700 They didn't need to like, maybe he was getting doubled, that's 333 00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:00,600 like, so anyway, yeah, I mean look, so it's interesting 334 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,800 because the trace Jackson, Davis is still the default and when 335 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,500 they can get him the ball efficiently and he's not getting 336 00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:12,200 overplayed, then I think you're going to get games like that, 337 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,400 Ohio State game where he's just bullying his opponents in the 338 00:17:14,408 --> 00:17:16,099 post. Minnesota was basically like, 339 00:17:16,099 --> 00:17:17,200 we're not going to let that happen. 340 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:19,099 We're not going to let this guy beat us. 341 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:23,400 You can beat us from outside and you know, Xavier Johnson really 342 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,500 struggled from outside in the game and look, you're going to 343 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:28,900 get that. And you know, I think that, you 344 00:17:28,908 --> 00:17:31,100 know, he had an unfortunate shooting game where he still 345 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:34,200 shot 33 percent from three. Like it felt like he missed ten 346 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,200 three-pointers and they weren't respecting his shot. 347 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,900 But he was still 246 from outside. 348 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:43,100 But Rob fantasy was certainly the storyline, and it wasn't 349 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:46,300 just that Rob was hitting shots. It was that he was looking for 350 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:49,100 the threes by, you know, about the second. 351 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,900 Or third time that he shot the bike. 352 00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:53,000 He was, he was setting up with his feet. 353 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,000 It was a determined purposeful Rob finna, see, which is the 354 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,800 best Rob fantasy. It's the rub fantasy. 355 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:04,400 We've been asking for it's the not tentative, the not overly 356 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,400 concerned with what's going on around him, rub fantasy, and 357 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,500 that believe it or not was a tie for the most three-pointers that 358 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:17,900 Rob fennessy as made in a single game, in his entire IU career, 359 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,100 the only other time that He has made four three-pointers in the 360 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:23,500 game. Was that game at Iowa last year 361 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:27,700 where he was 447. So I think there's a lot of 362 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:30,100 really positive signs. When you look at Rob fennessy. 363 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:34,600 He got the Ken pom MVP award for this last game. 364 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,900 He has hit threes now in four of his last five games. 365 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,000 And you know, that's that includes two against Notre Dame, 366 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,500 but includes a three against Penn State, the four threes 367 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:48,600 against, Minnesota. That's a huge change. 368 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,200 And this is a player who, you know, he's at the beach. 369 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,200 For the first month of the year. Rob, fennessy was having, I 370 00:18:58,208 --> 00:19:00,300 think I counted it up. If you look at offensive rating 371 00:19:00,300 --> 00:19:02,500 and overall offensive contributions. 372 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,400 Rob fantasy was having among the worst seasons of an IU starter 373 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,200 in the last 20 years. That is no longer the case. 374 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,600 Now, he's still got a long way to go to kind of dig himself out 375 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,500 of the statistical whole, but as of right now, you can't look at 376 00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:18,600 Rob fennessy. And the what he's contributing 377 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,500 and say anything other than this is helping to contribute. 378 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:27,200 I you contribute to IU winning games in a way that we don't 379 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,200 think could have expected through the first month of the 380 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,600 Season. He still isn't hitting shots 381 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,700 from inside the three-point line, that much but the fact 382 00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:36,200 that he's shooting. What is it? 383 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:42,100 Now, 32 percent from three that is about as good as he is shot 384 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:43,800 in a season throughout the course of his career. 385 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,400 He was 33 percent from three as sophomore year, but last year He 386 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,200 was 26 percent from three. So this does represent a big 387 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,300 Leap Forward. Obviously, he has to sustain it. 388 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,600 But I do like the development that's happening there. 389 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,700 And I think it's great that Woodson and his staff seem to 390 00:19:58,700 --> 00:20:03,800 have figured out a way to make Rob fennessy feel like himself 391 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,400 again, and I was very worried that that wasn't going to be the 392 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,800 case. What anything else from the 393 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,700 Minnesota game in particular that stood out to you? 394 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,700 One thing I don't know why I was thinking about this but it's one 395 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:19,700 thing. I just kind of looked in the 396 00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:23,700 numbers and thought about, you know, again, even when he isn't 397 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,300 having a great statistical game, Trace Jackson Davis just does so 398 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,200 much by being on the floor drawing so much. 399 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,800 The defense you always have that thought is like right when 400 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,600 you're you know, when you have a big man kind of leading the team 401 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,000 like, you know what happens if you get to inspect gets in foul 402 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,400 trouble and I was just going back and looking like, you know, 403 00:20:40,408 --> 00:20:43,700 how many times this season Trace Jackson Davis has had four Outs. 404 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,700 It hasn't happened. Yeah, he's only had three fouls. 405 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:48,600 Once that was against the Louisiana. 406 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:49,900 If you go back and look last year. 407 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:53,400 He only had four fouls in four games in 2020. 408 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,800 He only had four fouls once he's never fouled out of the game. 409 00:20:57,300 --> 00:20:58,900 I'm not saying it isn't going to happen. 410 00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:01,000 Like don't shoot me. It's like he gets you three 411 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,100 quick ones against Iowa. It is Big Ten officiating but 412 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,700 it's again, you know, we talked about tracing all of these great 413 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:08,500 things. He does. 414 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:12,100 That's another thing, you know, he's his fouls per game as down 415 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:16,300 under it like one. 89 for this season .6 1.6. 416 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:18,600 Yeah. For as much usage as he gets and 417 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,200 for as many blocks as he goes for and I would never think 418 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,500 that, you know, I never leave a game thinking like, wow, he just 419 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:27,200 didn't go for it, on D. Like he's everywhere. 420 00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:30,100 Going at everything. You know, he's lowering his 421 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:32,000 shoulders into guys on the offensive end. 422 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,900 It is, it's remarkable how little he gets in foul trouble. 423 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:38,600 Like I wish you could take like, 20 percent of that and just hand 424 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,100 it off to savior Johnson's. Okay, you don't get in that 425 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:43,400 foul, but it's just, yeah. I don't know why I was You think 426 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,400 about that? But it is something where again, 427 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,300 I think we can feel confidence. I you fans I don't see us many 428 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:51,400 times this evening having an issue where it's like, what do 429 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,900 we do when you trace picks up his third foul, in the beginning 430 00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:56,900 of the first quarter? Well, it's just it's amazing how 431 00:21:56,900 --> 00:21:59,600 little foul trouble he gets. If I mean, if he picks up fouls 432 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,600 in the first quarter, we don't have to worry about it. 433 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,200 But no, I think you make a good point. 434 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,100 And look, I think it points to I was talking with, with a friend 435 00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:11,300 of mine on Sunday about what is Woodson done. 436 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:13,000 That's been the most impressive to me. 437 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,800 And to me, I think the change in defensive approach and defensive 438 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,200 mentality. And the way that Indiana has 439 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:26,600 been able to improve significantly their effort and 440 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:31,100 their abilities on defense while simultaneously, you know, not 441 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:36,500 turning into an overly physical team that is just getting by on, 442 00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:41,700 you know, Wisconsin or Michigan State are a bully ball is really 443 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:44,800 impressive because it really has been Focused on denying 444 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,100 opportunities for Shooters denying opportunities for 445 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,900 passers. And for Trace Jackson Davis 446 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,500 coming in and being able to block shots or Ultra shots 447 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:54,600 without picking up, fouls and Trace deserves a lot of credit 448 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:57,400 because the takes a lot of body control and a lot of mental 449 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,400 control to not put yourself in the wrong position, but I think 450 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,400 Woodson deserves a lot of credit because he has taken a lot of 451 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,300 these individual pieces and is built a framework within which 452 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:10,400 they can operate effectively and look. 453 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,300 It's why, you know, I know a lot of people Get frustrated with 454 00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:18,300 Xavier Johnson, you know, that I was getting texts from people. 455 00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:21,300 Like why is this guy even in the game during the Minnesota game? 456 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:26,000 But it's so easy to let Johnson's offensive. 457 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,700 Proclivities, I guess overly affect you and even, you know, 458 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:32,900 his offensive. Proclivities aren't that bad? 459 00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:35,800 He's, he's averaging over a point per possession and he's 460 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,800 one of the best assistant in the country's 52nd in the country 461 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,500 and assist rate right now, and his scoring has been, okay, you 462 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:46,400 know, he's shooting. 35 percent from to 35 percent from three, 463 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,400 seventy percent from, the free-throw, line, like he's 464 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,500 doing all of that relatively. Well, if you, if you just 465 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:56,500 watched Johnson as a stat line rather than watching him as a 466 00:23:56,508 --> 00:23:58,900 player. I think you'd be a lot less 467 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,800 inclined to ask why he was on the floor, but what honestly he 468 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,900 does best that doesn't show up in the in the stat line is how 469 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:11,500 well he's able to lock down his opponents in key situations. 470 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:13,900 Most of the time when he defends its Not all the time. 471 00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:17,000 And I think if there's a growth curve for IU basketball over the 472 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,500 course of the next couple of weeks. 473 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:22,700 It's going to be continuing to rein in his emotional, impulses 474 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,100 and continuing to try to get him to keep from putting himself in 475 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:29,100 a position, where referees, feel compelled to call fouls on him. 476 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,400 That if he can do that in context of what's going on in 477 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,600 the individual games. I really like the possibilities 478 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,400 for Indiana because I think he does provide a lot of things 479 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,000 that just nobody else on the roster does. 480 00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:47,300 And more to the point him. Providing those things allows 481 00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:51,000 Rob fennessy to not have to be the primary distributor allows 482 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,400 tray. Galloway to not have to be the 483 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,800 primary distributor in the clutch in key moments that's 484 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,900 going to matter and it look as I've said before and I will 485 00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:01,500 continue to say, this is a flawed roster. 486 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:07,300 It is not a roster that was put together with long-term goals in 487 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:09,200 mind. It was a cobbled together roster 488 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,000 and as Woodson has talked about, it's a roster. 489 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,100 That just hasn't been together that long. 490 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:16,800 At long, if they continue to play like they played in the 491 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,800 last two games. I like their chances of 492 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,800 continuing develop and being a team that's going to be hard to 493 00:25:22,808 --> 00:25:27,100 beat down the line. So, anyway, two games this 494 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:29,400 upcoming week and I think these are going to be interesting 495 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,600 games, Indiana at Iowa on Thursday night, and then they're 496 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,400 at Nebraska technically next week, but it's Monday of next 497 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,000 week. So when you get Iowa is never 498 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000 easy. Although Indiana did do it last 499 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,000 year. Are that would be a big win, not 500 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,500 a win. That's projected right now, 501 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:50,100 Indiana only a 39% pick in that game. 502 00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:54,300 According to Ken pom, the game at Nebraska is a game that looks 503 00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:57,100 like a must win since they lost that game at Penn State. 504 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,100 So, you know, you'd love to see Indiana, go 2 and 0 in this 505 00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:04,300 stretch, but one in one is pretty much right on track with 506 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:07,400 what you would hope or expect. This team would be able to do at 507 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,600 this point in the season. Yeah, I mean one-on-ones what 508 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,900 you got to do and Iowa is an, is an odd teaming. 509 00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:15,400 They're ranked right where we are in Camp, Amor kind of right 510 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,200 in that 2526 range. When you look at their their 511 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,000 schedule. It's like the only teams they've 512 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,300 beaten have been worse than them. 513 00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:24,200 Like when they played Purdue Illinois, Iowa state, Wisconsin. 514 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,300 All teams kind of in the same ranking is Indiana. 515 00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:31,500 They've lost their best win outside of that is probably, you 516 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:34,800 know, either Virginia Utah, State or Maryland and Maryland's 517 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,200 kind of fallen off a cliff and be you start the Utah State win 518 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,300 is good. I mean, people don't Give you 519 00:26:39,308 --> 00:26:43,000 just a lot of credit, but that's a that's a top 60 team and they 520 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,200 want on a neutral floor. But your your point is 521 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,000 well-taken. Go on. 522 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:50,700 Ya know. So I don't you know, this is 523 00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:55,600 where you know, I think that I've I go back to this, you 524 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,600 know, the the the the game we beat Kentucky, you know way back 525 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,400 when with that team. What to me that the key part of 526 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,900 that that lead up to that game was winning at North Carolina 527 00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:08,400 State, because that team had kind of got a little bit of 528 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,900 juice, but like, We have a tough, you know, ACC Big Ten 529 00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:12,300 challenge game. It's on the road. 530 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,300 We won that game. We went to the Kentucky game, 531 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:16,800 undefeated, and remember thinking like this is going to 532 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,600 get Assembly Hall like fired up. Like we're going to be 533 00:27:18,608 --> 00:27:20,700 undefeated, people can like this, you know, kind of like 534 00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:22,500 this. This T might have a shot. 535 00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:24,700 I'm not saying you have to wonder One is kind of what I'm 536 00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:27,000 expecting. But if you could win the next to 537 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,100 suddenly, you're on a four-game winning streak. 538 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:31,900 I think it kicks. Some of that Penn State dust off 539 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,900 and now you're really fired up coming into that Purdue game. 540 00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:36,900 I don't, I think people would already be fired up to that 541 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:40,000 Purdue game, but if you're 40 and May this team's got 542 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,000 something rolling. Now. 543 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,000 We just wanted Iowa. Like I think you could have a 544 00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:48,900 really electric kind of History, you know, memories of older 545 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:50,600 Assembly Hall crowds that we've seen. 546 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,100 I think that could really help leading into another tough 547 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:55,700 weekend of Purdue and Michigan next week. 548 00:27:55,700 --> 00:28:00,600 So I think that you get to your point one and one is probably 549 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,600 what we need to do and that's not anything bad, but I do think 550 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:10,300 there is a nice opportunity here to pick up a A really good road 551 00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:12,600 win but not like a Michigan State type Road win. 552 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,100 Like one. That's probably a bridge too far 553 00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:15,000 for this team. Yeah. 554 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,300 I mean, yeah, there's no there's no shame in losing at Iowa. 555 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:21,000 It's going to be interesting because Iowa is a classic Fran 556 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,600 mccaffery team. They are fourth in the nation 557 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,200 and offensive efficiency, and they are 184th in defensive 558 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,000 efficiency. And and so this ends up becoming 559 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,100 one of those things where you ask yourself. 560 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:39,000 Well what wins in the Battle of a great off? 561 00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:42,500 Sense of team versus a great defensive team and you know, for 562 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,400 Indiana, I think this Iowa game, a lot of it's going to come down 563 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:51,000 to you know in Iowa's got the 23rd best two point percentage, 564 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,500 completion rate in college basketball, Indiana. 565 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:59,300 The best has the best to point B fence in college basketball, you 566 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:02,200 know, Iowa play for it. Maybe just do with other Raiders 567 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,800 as a virgin, should it almost. Yeah, you know, but then it's 568 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,600 also like Iowa doesn't turn the ball over and Indiana doesn't 569 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,400 Force turnovers, so It like that there's certain this is a 570 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,700 fascinating game and I'm really curious to see how it goes. 571 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,000 Because I would argue that it was even a, you know, because a 572 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,600 slightly more extreme version of this last year and Indiana and 573 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,100 up winning, not just at home, but also on the road against 574 00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:26,800 Iowa, different coach, different Personnel, different situation. 575 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,500 I'll be curious to see how this one plays out. 576 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:29,900 And then the Nebraska game next week. 577 00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:33,800 We'll have time to talk about before that happens again, but a 578 00:29:33,808 --> 00:29:37,000 lot of that comes down to one of the issues that Indiana had to 579 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,200 manage in this Minnesota game was You have a big win, 580 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,300 potentially. How do you manage your feelings 581 00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:45,800 about yourself? And your team when playing a 582 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,400 lesser opponent? Particularly on the road? 583 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,400 We saw it like last night, Wisconsin who's got like a two 584 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,600 seed resume right now. Jumped out to a big lead against 585 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,400 Maryland and then almost lost the game. 586 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:57,800 You know, I mean, they had to really hold off Maryland at the 587 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,900 end of that Maryland, teams kind of been adrift lately. 588 00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:04,800 So there's a lot of intangible mental emotional elements to all 589 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,800 of this that we have to consider, but there's also the 590 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,200 straight up basketball. That's so just a really 591 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,600 fascinating set of circumstances. 592 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,200 Coming up for this, Indiana basketball team, and all of that 593 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,700 leads up to that Purdue game. Coming up next Thursday. 594 00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:21,800 So a critical stretch for Indiana early on, in the car, in 595 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,100 the season. One. 596 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,100 The one thing I will say, I'm looking, I'm looking forward to 597 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:28,600 hopefully, see an uptick. I don't want to be too negative 598 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,300 here. But, you know, I think we know a 599 00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:32,800 trace Jackson Davis race Thompson. 600 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,000 Going to give you what they're going to give you. 601 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,200 And for the most part, you know, fennessy and Johnson, there are 602 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:38,900 there obviously up and down, but they do it kind of within a 603 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:43,000 Range, you know Trey Gowdy has kind of shown that the the one 604 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,100 area I can try to stay positive here. 605 00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:48,600 I think you could see a positive uptick is getting something a 606 00:30:48,608 --> 00:30:50,200 little bit more out of Tomorrow Bates. 607 00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:54,100 He's really been off the radar. Probably since the, you know 608 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,300 that Nebraska game, you know, this last three games have been 609 00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:59,300 zero points. Two points against Northern, 610 00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:02,700 Kentucky. So, he's really not been looking 611 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:03,700 good. And I've said this the beginning 612 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:05,000 of the year. This is a freshman. 613 00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:06,800 You're going to have these ups and downs. 614 00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:08,700 What I do. Hope is that maybe we now see an 615 00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,700 uptick Tick and we see a couple games maybe he can get 78, you 616 00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:13,300 know ten points account Nebraska. 617 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:16,400 Like last time you'll get 13 points because that could really 618 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,300 add a boost this team. I like in theory what he 619 00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:21,200 produces it hasn't been happening now. 620 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,900 And again, I do not want to be negative because this is a 621 00:31:23,908 --> 00:31:26,200 freshman play, but I do think that's a positive. 622 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,300 We're we're kind of do for a nice little tour 3, You Know, 623 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:33,200 Tamar Bates, run here because what he can provide this team 624 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,200 could really use to, because he has a little bit of that tray 625 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,600 Galloway. Quick spark thing. 626 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,400 It just feels like he hasn't been able Kind of plug it in the 627 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,800 right way. The last couple games. 628 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,600 I mean, you know, Bates I think has you could make an argument. 629 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,400 He's hit a wall here. He did, you know, he had a dnp 630 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,600 obviously for, for family reasons, against Notre Dame, but 631 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,800 the last three games he's played. 632 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,400 Six minutes, four minutes and five minutes. 633 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,000 He's 0 for 6 from the field with three turnovers in those three 634 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,700 games, combined. Look, it's better than that. 635 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,100 He's better than that, but it's hard to play in the Big Ten as a 636 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:12,400 freshman and And look, I think this is actually good because 637 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:16,700 ultimately, while I think he provides a lot, he is still very 638 00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:19,400 raw and a bunch of areas and you can tell when he's out on the 639 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,700 floor. He doesn't exactly know what 640 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:22,400 he's supposed to be doing. And that's something that I 641 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,300 think the coaching staff will work with them on, it would be 642 00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:27,500 great to have him as another functional member. 643 00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:30,600 He's still getting run in that second unit rotation. 644 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,200 That happens, that that's it. About the ten minute Mark of the 645 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,000 first half, but he's got to show that he can do more. 646 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,900 And I think as we've talked about Many times it is the 647 00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:44,600 Hallmark of a good team to have options as opposed to having to 648 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,500 play guys, simply because you don't have any other options. 649 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,400 And so I'd love tomorrow Bates to become an option that you 650 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,700 can't keep off the floor. But right now he's not there. 651 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,400 So we'll see what happens with all of that. 652 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,500 But yeah, a lot of fun stuff coming up and certainly I think 653 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,300 for his down as IU, basketball Twitter, and IU, basketball 654 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,600 fandom was last week at this time, certainly a lot more 655 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,400 reason to feel optimistic. This week heading into that Iowa 656 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,800 game, quick. Let's turn to football and talk 657 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,600 about of a wild, couple of weeks here for Indiana. 658 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,000 So at the end of last week, we discovered that the defensive 659 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,600 coordinator, the brand new one that was hired to replace cane 660 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,400 Wommack leaves to go to North Carolina. 661 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,700 Trout and Warren after one, season is DC takes off and heads 662 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:33,000 to Chapel Hill where he becomes a co-defensive coordinator with 663 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,800 Gene, chizik and Kevin people's also gone the defensive line 664 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,000 coach. Meanwhile, you've got a new 665 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,500 quarterback and Connor Baza lakh from Missouri. 666 00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:47,900 And now, as of this morning, you've got a new defensive 667 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:51,500 coordinator. Having been announced, as we 668 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:55,600 welcome to the IU family. Chad Wilt who's been the 669 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,500 defensive line coach for the Minnesota Golden Gophers, he 670 00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:02,900 ends up coming in and it sounds like he'll be coaching both the 671 00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:06,800 defensive line as well as being the defensive coordinator, which 672 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,800 is not that unusual of an arrangement. 673 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,199 You also have some additions from the transit, the transit, 674 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,600 the transfer portal. Kentucky linebacker Jared, Casey 675 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,699 a former four-star comes in. You've had a couple of other 676 00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:22,800 players join as well. It's hard. 677 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,300 And we talked about this at the beginning of the show, Scott. 678 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,500 It's hard to know what any of this is going to mean in the 679 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,800 long term. But you know, as quickly as the 680 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,699 war and departure curd you now have somebody that replaces them 681 00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:38,699 and that looks very orchestrated, it. 682 00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:41,900 Like that doesn't look like it was a surprise that war and left 683 00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:45,300 and Wilt comes in, feels like this was planned. 684 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,800 It's a little bit peculiar because you kind of got the 685 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,300 sense from Tom Allen back in the middle of December that there 686 00:34:50,308 --> 00:34:52,000 weren't going to be any more staff changes. 687 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000 Now, there's at least two and I'm guessing there's going to be 688 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,900 at least one more, but it's it's certainly just it's an 689 00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:00,500 interesting time for Indiana right now. 690 00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:02,600 Just a whole lot of churn with this program. 691 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,600 Yeah. I mean if I told you in 692 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,600 November, we're going to have, you know, three or four 693 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,600 coordinators, leave how high Would you have offensive line up 694 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,100 there before? As you as one of your draft 695 00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:13,800 picks? I would have put a lot of money 696 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,300 that offensive line would have been one of the changes but yet 697 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:19,200 it's still not and we'll talk about that in September. 698 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:25,300 No, it's you know, it's it makes for bad podcasting but like in 699 00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,500 the end, it's just going to come down to results like this is 700 00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:31,400 next year's a big season and there's a lot of new people and 701 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,600 new places that you're going to have. 702 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,100 Both new coordinators are new new quarterback, and there's a 703 00:35:36,107 --> 00:35:38,500 lot of new pieces here, a ton of transfers. 704 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,100 You know, and it's Alan has got to make it work. 705 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,900 That's the basic thing. It was funny. 706 00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:48,600 It's like this is kind of against his, you know, his whole 707 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,200 Mantra is kind of like, you know, family and I'm sticking 708 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,100 with my guys and we're going to have, you know, consistency and 709 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,300 continuity. And this is not that this is 710 00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:00,900 going to be a team of transfers with two brand-new coordinators. 711 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,900 You know, I don't know how how easy it's going to be for our 712 00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:08,100 wounded to get that Elio field mushing for and it definitely 713 00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,100 felt like One was more of a guy who wanted to build like, you 714 00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,300 know, a consistent model where you had this, you know, guys 715 00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:16,300 coming up through the system and knowing it, that's not what 716 00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,400 you're going to have. But in the end, you know, I no 717 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,600 idea if it's going to work but it kind of like there is no 718 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,900 other option. Like there is no failure is not 719 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,400 an option so to speak. Unfortunately, with IU football. 720 00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:29,700 It seems always be an outcome. But you know, that's that's 721 00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:32,500 where we're at. And yeah, I know it's going to 722 00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:34,400 be interesting. This is definitely unlike. 723 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,700 Very few IU football, season's. I can think of, you know, but 724 00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:39,700 you look at, you know, I keep going back to be, look at 725 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:41,600 Michigan State. They made it work, you know, 726 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,500 they had a lot of transfers and able to figure it out. 727 00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:46,900 So it's not impossible and maybe this is what this team needs is. 728 00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,500 Kind of like almost a it's a shocking your pool. 729 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:52,100 We're just throwing a bunch of core chlorine in the system and 730 00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:53,200 just trying to get a whole new look. 731 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,800 But it's a ton of change. Yeah, it really is. 732 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,900 And I think ultimately what you're dealing with with this 733 00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:07,400 particular change is a situation where Tom Allen is, you said he 734 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,700 has to make it work. He has to find people that can 735 00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:12,100 coach at this level. And look, I, we had a lot of 736 00:37:12,107 --> 00:37:16,300 criticisms of the Walt Bell higher and look, I'm still, but 737 00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:18,500 the jury still very much out on that. 738 00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,800 This one feels a little bit more, like a reasonable higher, 739 00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:27,100 you know, if you look at at this particular coaches track record 740 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:31,400 at Minnesota, he was an effective defensive line coach. 741 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,100 Absolutely. He. 742 00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:36,400 There was some numbers that I were tossed around. 743 00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:39,400 I think this was Mike Schumann from the daily. 744 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:45,500 Hoosier talked about this we recruited very well was was very 745 00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:48,600 much able to pull in some. I think some four stars on the 746 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,000 defensive line was able to figure out a lot of good options 747 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,100 in terms of getting their run defense to be better. 748 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,000 Obviously. We got a chance to watch that 749 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,200 Minnesota defense up close and personal this year and they were 750 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,500 certainly a good unit that defensive line in particular. 751 00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:04,600 Gave Indiana. All kinds of fits granted. 752 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:09,100 Defensive unit gave India fits this year, but this is a guy 753 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:10,600 with Big Ten coaching experience. 754 00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:15,500 And, you know, look, we one of the things we criticized Alan, 755 00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:17,600 for with the Bell higher was that it felt like another 756 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,900 higher, where Allen was leaning on his coaching connections or 757 00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:25,200 people that he had either personally coached with, or it 758 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,900 kosher somebody who can vouch for the person. 759 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:30,200 I don't see that in wilts background. 760 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,800 Like he's, he coached under Luke fickle at Cincinnati. 761 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,200 He's coached under PJ Fleck. At Minnesota, the only 762 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,200 connection I can see is he played at Taylor? 763 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,600 Like the he was a, he was a big, a defensive lineman at Taylor 764 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,300 when he played in the late 90s, but and that's not even a direct 765 00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:48,400 connection. So if we had questions about 766 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:52,200 what direction we were going to see Alan go with this and 767 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,200 whether he was going to try to keep it in the family, so to 768 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,400 speak, he doesn't appear to unless there's a connection that 769 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,800 I'm missing and so I am happy to see that and hopefully that 770 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,300 bears some dividends for Indiana as they move forward and to your 771 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:04,600 point. It does feel like this. 772 00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:06,900 You know, Warren. Let it we don't know. 773 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:09,100 But it did feel like Warren maybe said a couple weeks of. 774 00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:10,900 Okay. I'm going to North Carolina and 775 00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:13,700 then is I use a cake you hold it will find somebody else to get 776 00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:17,000 it didn't this didn't feel so much as a firing as a 777 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,500 coordinator leaving in US. Almost kind of trying to figure 778 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:22,300 it out without when the circuit should already kind of stop and 779 00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:24,600 to your point. I think this is I'm okay with 780 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,200 this as well. It just it does leave you in a 781 00:39:27,207 --> 00:39:29,900 spot where both of your coordinators are now brand-new. 782 00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:34,800 Yeah, it does. But look that's That is, you 783 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,000 know, kind of a reality of the business right now. 784 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,200 And I look, I think one of the things that dominates college 785 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,800 football in this are more than anything else. 786 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,600 Is it's going to be a constant constant era of churn. 787 00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,800 And for a program like Indiana particular, when you're dealing 788 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,900 with n IL related issues as it comes to transfers, you're going 789 00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:00,500 to have to figure out a way to maintain, maybe not continuity 790 00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:04,100 of coaching staffs. Players, but you're gonna have 791 00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,500 to figure out. How do I get a team that's 792 00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:08,800 competitive out on the field and a given season. 793 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,000 And that might be a team that looks very different from the 794 00:40:12,008 --> 00:40:16,000 previous year's team. That's not necessarily a bad 795 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,800 thing. It's just a different thing from 796 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,700 how we have been kind of weaned on college football, where we've 797 00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:24,200 always looked at the programs that have the most continuity 798 00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,600 with the highest-ranking recruits as programs that are 799 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:32,000 able to sustain and these arrows Indiana never really had that. 800 00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:34,600 So, And they go this opposite route. 801 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,100 Can they do what Michigan state did last year and have a bunch 802 00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:40,000 of changes but melded together in a way where they're able to 803 00:40:40,008 --> 00:40:42,300 take advantage of things? And like you said, we're not 804 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:45,800 going to know until the season not as soon as the season starts 805 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,100 but like well into the season, we're not going to know if any 806 00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,600 of these changes have been successful and as much as I 807 00:40:50,607 --> 00:40:53,800 think Alan, you know, deserves some criticism for how things 808 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,100 went this past year and and the overall management of things. 809 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,100 You never know. He might be the perfect guy, to 810 00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:03,700 figure out how to navigate some of these issues or you Not be, 811 00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:06,700 we'll have to just wait and see. So, and the thing that I will 812 00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:09,500 say is, you know, I hate it, but he's kind of, you know, so to 813 00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:11,200 speak. Allen has been winning the press 814 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,200 conference in that, you know, are recruiting ranking is 815 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,800 getting better every single year. 816 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,500 And this year, it was obviously a top 20. 817 00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:20,800 And then to your point. This is definitely the new world 818 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,500 where we're in this, you know, transfer portal year-over-year. 819 00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:26,900 And again, I think I'm not sure how the rankings are totally 820 00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:29,600 being done. But if you go to 24/7 Sports the 821 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,100 transfer rankings, you know, we're second in the country with 822 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:35,200 this, you know, a head of Michigan State ahead of Alabama 823 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,900 ahead of Ole Miss. Alabama, is pretty good. 824 00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:39,400 Last, I checked something where s the country and transfer 825 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,100 rankings will see if that bears any reality to wins and losses, 826 00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:47,800 but thus far, it does seem that Alan's able to get our 827 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,900 recruiting up and is able to play in this transfer portal 828 00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:55,400 Market, which does which to me, is actually the most fascinating 829 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,700 and maybe the most, you know, positive note. 830 00:41:57,700 --> 00:41:59,200 There is. It does feel like, you know, 831 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,700 recruiting feels like it might have like an 18-month lead time 832 00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:04,800 or guys. Who recruited, you know, off of 833 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,300 the Outback Bowl or the Gator Bowl. 834 00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:09,600 And it's like they're like don't have time to basically open up 835 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,700 their commitment when they see it's go to and 10 the transfer 836 00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:14,800 stuff feels like it's very in the Moment. 837 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,800 Like This feels very much. Like this is a reflection of 838 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,400 where your program is right now and coming off a very 839 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,300 disappointing to and 10-year. No big 10 wins for Alan to get s 840 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,800 in the country. Is pretty remarkable. 841 00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:30,200 Yeah. Anyway, that's going about. 842 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,000 Wrap it up for us. Just a reminder that we are. 843 00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:35,300 Are sponsored in part by the power rank. 844 00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:39,500 Power rank is the place to go to learn about the trends that 845 00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:42,800 exist behind college and professional sports. 846 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,700 For wagering advice for just understanding, what's going on 847 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,400 with the World of Sports Media or Sports in general. 848 00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:57,400 There's just there's so much going on every day and it's 849 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,900 helpful to have an expert. 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Thank you for joining us here on 876 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,600 Crimson cast will be back sometime soon. 877 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,700 I don't maybe this week maybe over the weekend when we can 878 00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:22,600 find time will be sure to talk with you about things. 879 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,100 Anyway, thanks for joining us. Folks will catch you on the flip 880 00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:28,400 side. Bring back the Bison, so 881 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:28,800 everybody.