1 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,520 You're listening back Home Network presented by Home Field 2 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:21,840 Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,720 Galen Clavio joining you. We're recording this on the 4 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,200 night of the 20th. You're probably listening to it 5 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,440 on the night of the 21st or maybe even the morning of the 6 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:36,880 22nd as you're making your way to Columbus, either physically 7 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,280 or in spirit as Indiana with a huge game this weekend, taking 8 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,240 on the Ohio State Buckeyes. A top five match up, a rarity in 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,240 IU football history. This does not happen very often. 10 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,080 And a week that's been really fascinating to be an IU fan. 11 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,560 I think for a variety of reasons, as we've been trying to 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,120 do more on the show, we feel like we got to get a, a, a bona 13 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,560 fide preview podcast in. And who better to do that with 14 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,520 us then our good friend from Bite size Bison, Taylor, Layman. 15 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,880 Taylor, good to see you. How are you doing? 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,560 I know you just got done doing a whole podcast. 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,280 You're, you're double dipping tonight. 18 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,880 Hopefully your voice holds out. How are things going? 19 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,000 Yeah, no, I'm good, I'm good. I'm kind of getting sick of 20 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,640 myself at. This point, well, I meant all 21 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,120 all broadcasters have. After a while you're like, I'm 22 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,240 really tired of hearing my own damn voice. 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,280 Like seriously. Yes, tired to hear my thoughts, 24 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,080 tired to hear my voice. Yeah, just I I I'm ready to go 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,680 to bed. Like I I need to recharge take 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,440 take a day off or something. That was what the bye week was 27 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,320 supposed to be for Taylor. I mean, come on. 28 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:44,840 But I no, you're right. But it's, you know, it's one of 29 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,160 those things everything kind of comes crashing together at this 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,320 time in November. You got Thanksgiving week coming 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,280 up. You got all these other things 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,040 going on. And then college football, you 33 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,120 know, this is the dance that IU is never not. 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:58,920 I'm not gonna say they've never been invited cause the 35 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,040 invitation's been there. They've never bothered to leave 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,240 like mom's basement to go like get to the dance. 37 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,120 And yet here we are. And it succeeded most 38 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,280 everybody's wildest expectations as the Hoosiers 10 and O, the 39 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,320 chance to to make history here again after after the win 40 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,840 against Michigan that got into 10 and O, which was historic. 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,520 Every win from here on just adds to the myth that the 2024 season 42 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,240 will have forever in the history of the IU football program and a 43 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,040 huge challenge coming up for Indiana in this game. 44 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,440 We're going to break it down statistically for you here on 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,360 this podcast. This is ironic because Taylor 46 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,760 has probably the best knowledge of Ohio State of of any team 47 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,680 because he covered them for several years covered the 48 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,680 program understands that group kind of inside and out. 49 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,280 And so we're going to talk about that as well and then what 50 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,760 they're feeling. But first real quick before we 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,800 get started, just a reminder that we are brought to you here 52 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,120 at the back home network by home field apparel, your place to go 53 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,840 with the finest in college fashions, the softest fabrics, 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,520 the coolest designs. 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This is a game that, you know, 96 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,880 Indiana's they've they've teased us at times over the course of 97 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:24,240 the last 15 years or so, 13 years, whatever, with weirdly 98 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,640 close games at times against Ohio State. 99 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,040 None really recently, you know, but especially during the Kevin 100 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,080 Wilson era and the very beginning of of the Tom Allen 101 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,160 era, There were there were games there where Indiana just kind of 102 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,360 hung around. You know, probably most famously 103 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,960 encapsulated by that 2015 game where, you know, Xander Diamont 104 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,040 scores that surprise like 70 yard touchdown run and then 105 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,560 Indiana has shots in the end zone at the end to try to tie 106 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,480 the game. You know, there was the game a 107 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,800 couple years earlier where I think it was like 5249 or some 108 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,920 some ridiculous score like that. Haven't had a lot of those 109 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:01,960 lately. Ohio State has been the dominant 110 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,040 partner in this. And you know, they've looked 111 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,600 like like they're on a different planet from Indiana. 112 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,160 I mean, the last time I can remember Indiana being 113 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,520 competitive in an Ohio State game was that game that Indiana 114 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,160 played against Ohio State at the beginning of the 2017 season 115 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,720 when they were tied or maybe had a small, small lead going into 116 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,240 the fourth quarter and then Ohio State just smushed them there at 117 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,120 the end. This is not that year, at least 118 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,280 we don't think that it is Like this is a game that if you look 119 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:30,560 at the statistics between these two teams and how they 120 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,120 performed, these are relatively even teams. 121 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,720 And Taylor, you know that. I know that. 122 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,400 I think the thing I've enjoyed the most about this week is 123 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,240 watching all of these national pundits who haven't really 124 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,400 watched Indiana that closely in most cases, looking at these 125 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,840 numbers and suddenly being like, gosh, this might not be a blow 126 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:50,320 out after all. This wasn't what we were 127 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,280 expecting. Yeah, yeah. 128 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,800 I think we need more of those folks. 129 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,840 But yes, yeah, yeah. No, it's, it's, it is, it's 130 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:03,440 gonna be, it's going to, it's going to be interesting. 131 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:09,160 I, I, I think it's going to be closer than than a lot of people 132 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:15,440 expect. I, I do have concerns, but I, I, 133 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,200 you know, The thing is I've had concerns all year and they've, 134 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,120 you know, they've, they've overcame them in, in pretty much 135 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,200 every capacity. So, yeah, I, I, I think, you 136 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,320 know, I just on the podcast, I was just on, he said that his 137 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,520 his friends were his friends are all predicting in Ohio State 138 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,760 blowout. And I'm like, I don't know, I 139 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,000 think you guys are going to be surprised. 140 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:36,520 What? OK. 141 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,960 What I've been telling folks on the Ohio State side is that this 142 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,800 coaching staff is different than the than, you know, if you think 143 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,760 back to like those games, you were just talking about the 144 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,080 games when Indiana played them closely. 145 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,040 This, this staff is very different than those Staffs 146 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,760 were. And and so and I think back to 147 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:00,240 2020 as well as the same way, you know, I mean, obviously they 148 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,400 had Kane Wommack, but they had Nick Sheridan as their offensive 149 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,760 coordinator. And it it's just a different 150 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:06,920 team. It's a different program 151 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,760 entirely than what it was when it was actually when when it was 152 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,960 when these teams were plucky Indiana teams. 153 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,960 But that's this team is not plucky. 154 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,560 This team is legitimate. And I think that's that's the 155 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,440 difference here. And I think that's kind of what 156 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:26,600 Ohio State based fans and media don't maybe don't see through is 157 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,520 that this this brand of Indiana is it's it's a different brand 158 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,600 of college football at Indiana. Yeah. 159 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:39,000 And that's, and I think that's a key thing because if you try to 160 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,000 talk about what makes potentially this game different, 161 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,040 it's really not the talent on the field. 162 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,200 Inasmuch as, you know, I think you could make a comparison from 163 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,280 a recruiting rankings perspective with some of those 164 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,520 Kevin Wilson teams and what Indiana's fielding right now and 165 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,880 say that maybe those teams were actually slightly more talented. 166 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,120 There was more N more NFL talent on the roster. 167 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,280 There were better athletic specimens. 168 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,480 This group is playing much better as a cohesive unit. 169 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,640 And and they're they're so much more engaged and I think focused 170 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,640 on their jobs and so much more detail oriented. 171 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,440 But it's largely because of the coaching staff. 172 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,840 And that's the thing I think is most fascinating about this 173 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,760 particular match up and this whole idea of what exactly to 174 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:30,040 expect out of this game. Because you know, Kurt Zignetti 175 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,760 and Mike Shanahan and Brian Haynes and like this entire 176 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,240 brain trust that came over from James Madison, plus Bob Bostad, 177 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,680 who stuck around from Allen's staff, Like what they've been 178 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:46,080 able to forge mentally and execution wise with this roster 179 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,600 is the it's the secret sauce. Like, you know, you can look at 180 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,600 all the the players that are making individual plays and they 181 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,320 certainly deserve a ton of credit, But they're operating in 182 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,840 a system that's putting them in positions to succeed and with a 183 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,920 confidence that has been provided to them by the coaching 184 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,240 staff and and that they have eventually been able to feed 185 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,200 into. And I think it's a really 186 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,040 fascinating change of pace because, you know, when you 187 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,960 think about what Ohio State often times deals with in the 188 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,920 Big 10, they don't often deal with teams that are really 189 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,880 cohesive and are really well coached. 190 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,040 You know, you normally will have one or the other. 191 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,840 You know, because Big 10, we, you and I were talking about 192 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,640 this with the SEC earlier a little bit. 193 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,720 And it's actually applies a lot to the Big 10 where you can kind 194 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,640 of afford, if you're at a big enough school in the Big 10 to 195 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,640 get by without being the best game planner or the best 196 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,120 motivator or the best strategist because you've got a talent 197 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,160 level that will beat most other teams but not beat Ohio State in 198 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,640 this case. Indiana's already demonstrated 199 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,600 this year that they can beat teams with superior talent, 200 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,040 teams that maybe we're even playing better going into games. 201 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,040 And we saw that with Maryland. I think we saw that with 202 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,520 Nebraska earlier because they are so well drilled, they're so 203 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,880 well coached and fundamentals, and they're so good at picking 204 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,040 apart the opposition on both sides of the ball. 205 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:05,400 And that's just not something we see a lot from Ohio State or 206 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,120 having Ohio State to deal with in the conference. 207 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,320 You see it outside, you know, you see it when they lose to 208 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,240 Oklahoma. You saw it when they lost to 209 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,960 Oregon before Oregon was in, you know, the Big 10 when they lost 210 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,840 in the horseshoe to them. You saw it again this year with 211 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,960 Oregon, 'cause that Oregon team is clearly cut from a different 212 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,280 cloth. You saw it with Harbaugh and 213 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,160 Michigan over the course of the last few seasons where that 214 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,840 became an impenetrable thing for Ohio State. 215 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:35,000 And it's the thing that I guess I look at the most as we go into 216 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,240 this contest is like, this is where Indiana's advantage is. 217 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,960 You know, yes, their players are playing really well, but the 218 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,360 coaching staff is an advantage for Indiana in a way that it 219 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,200 normally is not, particularly in a game like this. 220 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,440 Yeah, I mean, think about why they're here. 221 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,040 It's not because of the talent, it's because of the coaching. 222 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,560 Because we bought a team, we got, you know, the let's just 223 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,160 let's just let's just put that to bed. 224 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:00,920 I'm sorry. Go on. 225 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,520 Yeah, right, right, Yeah, Yeah. You know that that $1,000,000 226 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:10,040 nil deal for Justice Ellison, you know, no, the, it's, it's, 227 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,040 it's interesting because that it's something that I've I've 228 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,680 I've, I've really been, I think this game has really and, and, 229 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:20,600 and the discourse online has really forced us to engage with 230 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,160 this team more than we already have at this point. 231 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,520 Like really think critically about this team. 232 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,640 And I think earliest I have personally, and I, and, and, and 233 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:36,040 I've, I've really been thinking about, you know, how every, 234 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,640 every game that they have played, we've talked about how 235 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,800 the schedule has kind of gradually increase in quality of 236 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,200 opponent. But along the way, they kind of 237 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,720 are collecting things and, and showing, giving us insights into 238 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,520 the legitimacy of this team. They, they, they showed us that 239 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,880 they can go on the road and win in very strange environments. 240 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,600 They showed us they can go on the road and win at Michigan 241 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,160 State. You know, it's not, that's not 242 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,480 the, that's not the shoe, you know, but it's not insignificant 243 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,360 either. And, and they, they showed us on 244 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,320 two different occasions how the staff can make in game 245 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,000 adjustments to win games. They they beat Maryland because 246 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,440 of their in game adjustments. They beat Michigan because of 247 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,880 their in game adjustments. I mean that they beat Michigan 248 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,640 because the coaches kept this kept the team afloat and, and 249 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,000 their philosophy and their, their strategy was in like 250 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,680 previous, previous Indiana teams are not winning those games, not 251 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:35,800 even the Maryland game. And so, you know, there have 252 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,880 been Michigan State was another example of how they started off 253 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,880 very slowly, but it took two drives on both sides of the ball 254 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,200 and they're like, OK, it's over. And so, you know, that's I 255 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,880 don't, I don't know if anything like that will happen against 256 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,520 Ohio State, but you know, that's, that's that's what has 257 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,680 really stuck out to me when I've been thinking about Indiana and, 258 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:59,240 and a bit more of a critical way is just how it really is the the 259 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,760 coaching staff, the the strength conditioning before the season 260 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,920 even started. That kind of stuff is is the off 261 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,920 the field stuff is what's keeping Indiana at 10 and O and 262 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,840 and I I, yeah, I sorry. No, no, no, I mean, I just to, 263 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:20,360 just to kind of, and this is not to, it's not to, to de emphasize 264 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,840 the efforts or the accomplishments of the players. 265 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,760 But but I, I think it's one of the things about football that 266 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:31,640 makes it so different from other sports is, you know, it's such a 267 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,400 huge game. It involves so many moving 268 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,360 parts, so many specialists, so many like levers that you have 269 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,000 to pull and buttons that you have to press at just the right 270 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,520 time. And, and even above and beyond 271 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,520 all of that, you have to create an atmosphere of belief. 272 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,760 You have to create an atmosphere of confidence and you have to do 273 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,880 it without bullshit. You know, you, you know, 274 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,720 sloganeering and, and you know, trying to rally everybody around 275 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,960 something that isn't tangible or isn't real. 276 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,680 You know, that, that that'll work occasionally or for a 277 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,800 little bit, but then it generally wears off. 278 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:10,200 And so when I look at this team, you know, a lot of the the match 279 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:16,280 up is for me, ultimately, you have this coaching staff that's 280 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,920 done such a tremendous job and taking this group, this kind of, 281 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,960 you know, ragtag misfit group and brought them together and 282 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,880 gotten them to believe that team is coached by a group that's 283 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,640 gonna have two weeks now to prepare for this Ohio State 284 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,880 game. Coming off of the Michigan game 285 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,480 where they made it very clear in the immediate aftermath of a win 286 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,600 that took them to 10 and O for the first time in program 287 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,480 history. That wasn't good enough. 288 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,200 We didn't like the way that we played. 289 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,560 You know, that has got to resonate with this football 290 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,640 team. It's like, wow, we just beat 291 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,960 Michigan for like only the third time since the Reagan 292 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,640 administration or the second time. 293 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,000 And we are 10 and O and this is a great accomplish coach meant 294 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,160 and hey, the coaches just said that was not good enough. 295 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,200 Absolutely. And you you face an Ohio State 296 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,080 team that clearly is well coached. 297 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,280 I think you know, it lost in all the rhetoric around Ryan Day and 298 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,280 like we can't win the big one. It's like you wish you had that 299 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,000 problem. You wish you had a coach like 300 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,760 Ryan Day who's who wins all the time and you know has come up 301 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,000 short in a couple of of cases. But this is a a winning machine. 302 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,160 It's a recruiting machine. But they go in against Ohio 303 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,440 State team that kind of has everything to lose in this game. 304 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,920 And and and this isn't even the game that they're focusing on 305 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,280 because so much of their emotional focus is on finally 306 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,680 getting the Michigan thing off of their backs next week. 307 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,240 But it's also we got to make the College Football Playoff. 308 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,760 We've already got a loss. Like there's all these little 309 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,720 things that make it difficult for Ohio State and to have to 310 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,880 play a team that's as well coached as Indiana, that's going 311 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:51,080 to have this extra time to repair and to have to do so, you 312 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,240 know, without the extra bye week yourself. 313 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,720 I, I mean, there's just a lot of little things just from a, a 314 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,720 strategy perspective and a mentality perspective where 315 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,440 you're just like, wow, I was, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't expect it 316 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,280 to add up like this. But that's got to be the first 317 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,480 match up you look at for Indiana and it feels like a pretty 318 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,040 favorable 1. Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. 319 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,440 I actually just heard a quote or a clip from from the triple 320 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,319 option podcast. I'm learning, I'm learning about 321 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:21,920 shows and podcasts I didn't even know existed cuz Signetti's 322 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,240 going on them. I know, but he was on a, he was 323 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:30,720 on the podcast with Mark Ingram and, and he was he, he said, you 324 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,920 know, he was thinking about the message that he wanted to put up 325 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,760 and in front of the team. I don't know if it was before 326 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,760 this game in particular, if it was a previous one, but he 327 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,400 basically wrote, we don't prepare to play close. 328 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,640 And I was like, you know, that coming from Signetti, that's 329 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,600 different than coming from other coaches because it seems so 330 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,960 simple, you know, like the message is so simple, but not a 331 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,400 lot of people can live it, like actually live it. 332 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,600 And it feels like Signetti really is. 333 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,160 And, and I think that's kind of what separates them from some of 334 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,520 the other coaches in power conferences and in, in the Big 335 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,840 10 especially. But something that I listened to 336 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,320 part of your podcast with, with Dane, which I can't believe I, I 337 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:19,160 had to follow him up then. I I apologize to all your 338 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,920 listeners for for this. Life and chat happened in the 339 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:22,800 middle. You're fine. 340 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,000 OK all. Right. 341 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:29,120 OK, Yeah, Yeah, that's true. But it's something that he said, 342 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,920 which is very true. And something that I noticed 343 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,000 immediately when I started covering Ohio State after 344 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,960 covering Indiana was fans and I mean everyone around the Ohio 345 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,080 State program, they will tell you the imperfections in your 346 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,800 football team. And and that is that is kind of 347 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,880 what you were talking about the Ryan Day situation. 348 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,720 Ryan Day gets his gets his team and his program into position to 349 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,680 get to the big games all the time. 350 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,560 But it's you know, it's still not good enough. 351 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,480 You know, it just shows the difference in expectation, but 352 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,600 also when thinking about teams that are 10 and O and 9:00 and 353 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,600 1:00 and something that I mean, it's really easy to say, Hey, 354 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,720 you know, the secondary is is very good. 355 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,560 But also when I look at it, I'm like, I don't know, man. 356 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,920 It hasn't really been tested by a team like Ohio State. 357 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,360 So I'm a little concerned. So like, but you already know 358 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:22,400 the coaches are on top of that. And and that's kind of where 359 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,080 I've been coming from is I've I've tried to be really, really 360 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,480 critical more internally than externally of the team. 361 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,280 And it's hard to be critical of them when they are. 362 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,600 But you already know the coaches are and you, you like you were 363 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:42,240 saying like they beat Michigan and not a super sexy fashion and 364 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,560 they weren't happy about it. And so that that's, yeah, I 365 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,880 think that's that's that's good to take into a game against Ohio 366 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,680 State that is thinking that way and that, you know, like you 367 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,160 were saying, I don't think Ohio State is necessarily overlooking 368 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,840 Indiana, but you know, they need to win big games like this. 369 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,440 I don't. And that's the thing, I I've 370 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,480 been reading everything I can about Ohio State. 371 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:05,840 I've been listening to their shows. 372 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,120 I've been watching their people. I don't think they're 373 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:12,720 overlooking Indiana. But as I talked about with Dane, 374 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:19,760 it's like it's really hard for coaches to get players to get up 375 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,560 for games that they're not used to getting up for where there's 376 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,640 not something intrinsically built in. 377 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,880 And well, you know, what I said on that show was like you have, 378 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,960 you don't have to get your players fired up to play 379 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,240 Michigan if you're Ohio State, just like if you're Indiana, you 380 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,920 don't have to get your players fired up to play Ohio State 381 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,840 because like that's, and Ohio State isn't a rival for Indiana, 382 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,680 but you need, no, there's no calling there. 383 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,240 Like we have to fire, get fired up. 384 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,560 We're going to play Ohio State. We got to play at our absolute 385 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,680 best. But if you're Ohio State, it's 386 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,240 like you've got the Michigan game up here, you've got 387 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,080 whatever playoff game you're playing in because you're in the 388 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,320 playoff every year. You've got like 1/2 notch down, 389 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,640 you've got Penn State 'cause you're always going to beat Penn 390 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,920 State. And then you kind of got 391 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,560 everybody else. Like who else are you going to 392 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,800 get really fired up for? And this is, it's an issue for 393 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,640 the players, not that they don't respect Indiana, but it's just 394 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,600 hard to get yourself mentally fired up to play Indiana even 395 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,200 'cause even when they're #5 even if you say we're taking them 396 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,400 seriously, like they're, you know, they're practicing 397 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,160 defending back shoulder throws supposedly at the end of 398 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,920 practice. And we saw that picture today. 399 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,720 But the, again, there's been emotional and mental trigger 400 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,720 there about how do you get yourself really fired up? 401 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,960 And it's why, like, for instance, in basketball, we 402 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,000 often see upsets in these sorts of things where you've got a 403 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,240 really good underrated team. I don't know how you can call a 404 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,440 #5 team in the country underrated, but I think in the 405 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:47,760 minds of many, they are underrated. 406 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,880 And I think in the minds of Ohio State players, they're probably 407 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:56,080 a bit underrated. And you're even with that, it's 408 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,160 gonna be hard to say to yourself, that's a team that we 409 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,760 have to get as fired up for Michigan, for I, the fans, the 410 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,360 same thing. Like I think I've heard four or 411 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,000 five different Times Now over the course of this last week, 412 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,280 people imploring the fans to make this the loudest that Ohio 413 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,840 Stadium's ever been. Well, that's not going to happen 414 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,080 clearly. But it's like, how do you get 415 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,520 your fans fired up against a team like Indiana, even if 416 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,160 they're ranked? Because they're more of a, 417 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,760 they're like a freak show. It's like a, it's like an oddity 418 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,200 as opposed to being like somebody that you really deep 419 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,480 down respect. And so it's fascinating 'cause 420 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,160 there's a lot of energy around that that seeps into the way 421 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,240 that the players play the game and the way that the game goes. 422 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,200 And, you know, granted, that could all be undone, but like a 423 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,400 kickoff return for a touchdown at the beginning of the game 424 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,000 that completely tilts it One Direction. 425 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,400 But it is interesting to think about the psychological and the 426 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,520 emotional aspects of this because they often times are the 427 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,120 thing that really makes a difference when it comes to how 428 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:52,720 these games end up being played out. 429 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,480 Yeah. No, that's really fair. 430 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,360 That's a perspective I hadn't really thought about in And 431 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:00,800 yeah, no, I think, I think I think that's fair because 432 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,440 there's like when you when you're an Indiana basketball 433 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,280 fan, fans can probably relate to this. 434 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,680 But when you're like a really good program and you like, you 435 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,360 have the game circled on, on your calendar and, and, and it's 436 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,400 not even, not just like outside of the psychological aspect of 437 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,160 that, it's more like every game that you play leading up to that 438 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,760 game is improving on yourself to be prepared for the games that 439 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,560 are circled on your calendar. And so I could, I could, I 440 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,520 could, I could see that being kind of, you know, like just use 441 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,960 the cornerbacks at practice as an example. 442 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,400 They're working on their back shoulder, defending back 443 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,760 shoulder passes to Curtis Roar 'cause he is good at them. 444 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,360 But also, you know, maybe this would help us against Michigan, 445 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,920 right? There's something, something 446 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,760 along those lines, you know? Michigan is incapable of 447 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,840 throwing the ball more than 5 yards downfield, so it's true. 448 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,800 Yeah, but. Yeah, no, that's, that's a fair 449 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,800 perspective. I I like that. 450 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,920 So when we, you know, so obviously coaching staff, you 451 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,360 know, I think you got to give Signetti and his crew the 452 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,920 benefit of the doubt that with 14 days to prepare for this 453 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:07,040 game, that they will have poured over every inch of, I say, inch 454 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,600 of tape. Nobody watches tape. 455 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,440 They'll poured over every bite of the video files available to 456 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,280 them to watch what Indiana's been doing, to watch what Ohio 457 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,200 State's been doing, what opponents have been doing 458 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,960 against Ohio State, what opponents did against Indiana 459 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,240 and Taylor to kind of set the table for this. 460 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,720 You know, I think the coaches have got to be looking at what 461 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,120 happened offensively in the second-half of that game against 462 00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:37,120 Michigan and what happened offensively in the first quarter 463 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,360 of the game at Michigan State. And maybe and to some degree, 464 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:42,320 and even though it's a little bit of an outlier, the 465 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,160 second-half against Washington, you know, while it was 466 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,520 impressive in terms of the running attack, it feels like, 467 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:54,560 you know, that is what, 12345 quarters out of the last 10 or 468 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,200 so where Indiana's passing attack has not looked 469 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,600 particularly good. It hasn't been efficient. 470 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,680 It's still the number one, you know, passing team in terms of 471 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,480 success in all of CFB. But that is largely because of 472 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,160 the huge reservoir of yards and accomplishments they put up in 473 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,800 prior weeks. So, you know, when you reflect 474 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,840 on that and you think about what the coaching staff is focusing 475 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,320 on, like what is it you think they're able to pull out of what 476 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,960 they've seen that they will be trying to address over this two 477 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,680 week period of time leading into this game? 478 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,200 Yeah, I think, though I think they'll be working on being 479 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,720 physical with Indiana's receivers. 480 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,560 I think that's the number one thing if you can really jam them 481 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,920 and not even just jamming them at the line, but jamming them 482 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,600 like, you know, 5 yards downfield and force them to 483 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,120 fight to get deeper into the routes. 484 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:46,560 I think that is that's something that Michigan did really well. 485 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,880 But you know, there's a way to counter that and and teams 486 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,320 actually have countered that they they go to their tight 487 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,920 ends, they go to slot wide receivers, Penn State through to 488 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,080 their running back six times. You know, that's there are ways 489 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,240 to counter that. An Indian has two effective slot 490 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,600 receivers. They have a tight end who can 491 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,520 work in the passing game. You know, I don't, I don't know 492 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,480 if I personally really want them to see them throw to the running 493 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,200 backs anymore, but that's there. There are ways to counter that. 494 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,040 But I mean, at the same time, Ohio State surrendered a lot of 495 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,280 explosive pass plays to Oregon. So there's a lot of ways to 496 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,840 attack this this Ohio State defense. 497 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,640 But yeah, no, that's I think I think there's that. 498 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:31,480 I think there is also I think there is some some some tape 499 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,960 that shows how you can attack this offensive line in terms of 500 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,680 pass rush. Sorry. 501 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,000 Man Indiana's offensive line. Yes, Indiana's offensive line in 502 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,360 terms of pass rush where you know Michigan did a really 503 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,560 effective job, but at the same time Michigan has the best 504 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,720 defensive line of the Big 10. Ohio State's is not quite at 505 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,600 that level. So I think you know, defensively 506 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,680 for Ohio State, I think there is some things on tape like you 507 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,560 were saying, I am concerned a bit there has been some wear and 508 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,720 tear on the offensive line in terms of run blocking. 509 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,600 I am concerned about that and just the physicality of the Ohio 510 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,760 State defense. I, I think, I think it's going 511 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,560 to be something that isn't necessarily scheme, but is more 512 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,600 just mentality of the Ohio State defense that it doesn't run 513 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,960 there, It doesn't run through the the Big 10 in any other 514 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,680 programs like it does at Ohio State and even like in Michigan. 515 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,880 I think I think that physicality is going to be something that is 516 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,440 going to be a challenge for Indiana. 517 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,240 Yeah, and it's always something you concern yourself with with 518 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,160 Indiana and, and it's not even necessarily the idea that I. 519 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,760 You can't match physicality, you know, over a certain period of 520 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,240 time, but it's like, can you match physicality for the full 521 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,560 60 minutes? And. 522 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,640 And that's always been the issue. 523 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,120 It's like you you don't have the depth and you're not going to 524 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,960 have the depth that Ohio State has, Although I guess I'll maybe 525 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,000 Ohio State doesn't have the depth on the offensive line at 526 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,240 this point because of the injuries that they've suffered. 527 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,160 But you know, especially when you're talking about the 528 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,200 trenches and and the defensive lines relative to each other, 529 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,120 it's just a big ask to go toe to toe with Ohio State, which is 530 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,520 why you got to find clever ways to make things happen. 531 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,360 You know, as we look at the big statistical picture before we 532 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,680 zoom in on some of the individual items, one of the 533 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,360 things that's been fascinating is watching all of these 534 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:23,520 national pundits, as I mentioned earlier, look at the stats and 535 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,840 be like, wait a minute. These teams are actually almost 536 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,920 identical to each other in a lot of ways. 537 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,560 You know, you look at, for instance, Indiana is 15th in the 538 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,680 country in yards per game at 453. 539 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,480 Ohio State is 17th in the country at 451. 540 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,280 Indiana is third in the country in yards allowed per game. 541 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,920 Ohio State's second in yards allowed per game. 542 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,760 Indiana is second in points scored per game, Ohio State's 543 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,200 12th. But Ohio State's first in points 544 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,680 allowed per game, only 10.3. But Indiana's only 7th in in 545 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,160 that they're only allowed 13.8 points a game. 546 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,880 I mean, these, if you look at the metrics, because of the 547 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,120 caliber of opponent that Ohio State has beaten, they're a 548 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,360 little bit better looking in terms of like S&P Plus. 549 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,200 Like they have the number six offense in the country. 550 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,760 Indiana's got the 15th offense in the country according to that 551 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,680 metric, the defense, Ohio State's first, Indiana's 12th, 552 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,000 special teams, Indiana's 7th, Ohio State's 22nd. 553 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,120 But like these are not the derivations that we're used to 554 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,000 seeing like this is charts with a bunch of green. 555 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,680 These are some of the best statistically operating teams in 556 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,040 the country at almost every part. 557 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,000 Like the only thing where these and they, and it's weird, they 558 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,440 even fall apart in the one spot that you, you know, you would 559 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,840 see for both teams, which is penalty EPA. 560 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,160 You know where, where both teams are pretty bad at giving up big 561 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,080 penalties that that lead to expected points added. 562 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,880 So I I'm just baffled when I look at this, first of all, how 563 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,200 good these teams are, and 2nd how similar they look in terms 564 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,920 of when you match them up line by line. 565 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,040 It's crazy. I, I, I remember looking at just 566 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,120 the snap counts and like how, like who they give the balls to 567 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,040 and stuff. And I, I remember texting you 568 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:17,040 when I saw how close this, how, how close these two offenses are 569 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,960 even in terms of how they divide the carries between their top 2 570 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,720 running backs. Like it's, it is very similar. 571 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:30,400 Like I'm sure Mike Shanahan has studied Ryan Day and Chip Kelly 572 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,680 a ton as, as he's developed his own playbook. 573 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,080 And not, not to say that he's shaping his offense after Ohio 574 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,840 State's offense by any means. But you know, there's, there's 575 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,200 some like DNA in there that that I think that probably, you know, 576 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,800 they, I'm saying this in a long way that I could probably say 577 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,680 shorter. They probably share some DNA 578 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,320 there in the playbook and in the scheme offensively. 579 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,920 But yeah, you're right. These two teams are so closely 580 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,000 related. Taylor, it's a podcast. 581 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,640 You can say as long as you want, it's fine. 582 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,960 All right, we shall. Be a little more responsible. 583 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:03,720 Podcast. Yeah. 584 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,240 I mean, have you listened to our podcast? 585 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,080 Do we ever shut up? I'm tired. 586 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,440 Of myself so. No, no, you're good, man. 587 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,640 You're good. So when you look at this, and 588 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,680 you eluded this a little bit earlier, but I want you to start 589 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,880 diving into what you've seen and what you believe. 590 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,280 So let's start with Indiana. If Indiana's going to win this 591 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,000 game, what do you think the one or two most important things 592 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:32,960 that they can do on offense are? And and let's just start there 593 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,320 and we'll see where things go, OK? 594 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:40,280 Yeah, On offense, I think they have to establish something on 595 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,280 the ground like they they have to. 596 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,240 So they've ran the ball a lot more than I've anticipated than 597 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,120 than coming into the season. And I think the reason is 598 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,840 because they want to get into play action scenarios. 599 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,240 They're the second best team in play action in the country, 600 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,600 which I I did not realize until recently. 601 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,800 Who's the 1st Ole Miss? OK, yeah. 602 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,920 It's like Indiana, Oregon and Ole Miss. 603 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,800 Like it's that like that. And I guess Miami, like that's 604 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,600 kind of like the offensive cabal of college football this year. 605 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,560 Yeah, it's true. And yeah, so, so Ole Miss, Ole 606 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,520 Miss is, and it's only a slight edge, really, but but yeah, they 607 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,160 want to get into play action scenarios. 608 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,760 I know we've heard a lot about RP OS and things like that. 609 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,480 You know that Mike Shanahan's just his his his scheme is just 610 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,760 great. But I so they need to, they need 611 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,440 to establish something on the ground so they can get into play 612 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,840 action. But then I think to beat this 613 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,960 Ohio State team, just they make it so hard to move the ball to 614 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,720 make they they're the best red zone defense in the country. 615 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,280 I think you need some explosion. I think I think we need to see 616 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,120 we have we have not seen nearly as much explosion as I 617 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,840 anticipated seeing from this offense. 618 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,720 I think we need to see it in this game because that's you're 619 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,840 not going to be able to move the ball like they've been moving 620 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,360 the ball against defenses against this Ohio State defense. 621 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,320 And so getting over the top is and, and Ohio State's shown an 622 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,360 ability to surrender that. So I, I think that has to be the 623 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,760 case. They, they have to do that. 624 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,680 I'll just say those two things. I have a lot of other things I 625 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,240 might be able to say. I mean, let let's the one thing 626 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,440 I will say like offense versus defense, Indiana's offense 627 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,720 versus Ohio State's defense. What would you say of the games 628 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,920 Indiana's played this year so far as the closest comp to what 629 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,400 they're going to see from Ohio State defensively? 630 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,000 Probably Michigan. I was wondering if. 631 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,240 It was Michigan. Or if it was Washington. 632 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,160 Yeah, yeah, Washington's fair too. 633 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,720 I, I just think that I don't think there's going to, I don't 634 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,080 think there's going to come a point where Indiana can just 635 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,320 decide it wants to end the game and just run the ball at that 636 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,200 Ohio State's defense. So I, I would say Michigan just 637 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,440 because the physicality of the superiority physically and, and, 638 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,480 and, and talent wise. I I think that's just and, and, 639 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,040 and how then the athletes they have, you know, all the way 640 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,560 through that defense. You know, looking again at 641 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,240 Indiana's offense, you know, it looks like one thing that 642 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,280 they've done very well that they really need to do, and you kind 643 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,320 of alluded to this earlier, is they need to get early down EPA. 644 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,600 Like they, they, they can't afford to get into a lot of 645 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,960 third down situations that they've got to continue to move 646 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,120 the ball down the field. And, and it's interesting 647 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,920 because like Nebraska, a lot of their success offensively came 648 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,159 from being very methodical, very deliberate in what they did on 649 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:23,679 offense throughout the course of the game. 650 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,159 It kind of feels like like Indiana's in a tough spot 651 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:31,960 because on the one hand, you're a normal coach, I think would 652 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,880 look at this game and you'd say we're Indiana. 653 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,639 We're going to try to play this conservatively. 654 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,639 We're going to try to chew up clock. 655 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,080 But then you think about the Cabal, the offensive cabal that 656 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,840 I just mentioned and and Oregon did the exact opposite. 657 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,639 They were like, we're going to go right at this team because we 658 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,840 feel like we can do things on offense that they aren't 659 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,040 necessarily going to be able to handle defensively. 660 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,800 I'd like to think Indiana can do that because we've seen it 661 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,000 before this season. I just have a little bit of 662 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,400 pauses being given because of how successful Michigan was at 663 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,840 keeping Indiana from doing exactly that. 664 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,680 And I'm curious if that was Michigan or if that was more 665 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,320 Indiana's nerves and the fact that Curtis Work was not yet 666 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,200 entirely healthy. I. 667 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,120 Think it was Michigan and, and, but I will say I don't think 668 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,440 this Ohio State defense is built to do what Michigan did. 669 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:21,000 And I wrote about it in in a in a, in a, a a bye week, in some 670 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,480 in some bye week content. But it's probably why I didn't 671 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,320 take enough of a break. Yeah, right. 672 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:33,240 And, and so no, the, the, what Michigan did was they, they went 673 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:36,760 man to man on the perimeter, which I thought was a statement, 674 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,240 I mean, against the kind of slight indictment on this 675 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,120 Indiana wide receiving corps. But they went man to man on the 676 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,320 perimeter and they backed their their linebackers back into 677 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,280 zone. They played zone safety wise 678 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,640 too. And then they just let their 679 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,120 defensive line go at the offensive line, the Indiana's 680 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,840 offensive line. And but Ohio State is not going 681 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,040 to have the capability of doing that. 682 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,320 They don't have the same talent on the defensive line. 683 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,480 It's a really down year for the defensive line. 684 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,040 I mean, I guess I shouldn't say really down year, but it's a 685 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,160 down year for their for the defensive line compared to 686 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,480 Michigan. And so I don't, I don't think 687 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,200 Ohio State can do the same thing that Michigan did. 688 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,240 And it was a very particular look, a very particular strategy 689 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,880 that, you know, I don't think they have the talent at 690 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,080 cornerback to do that. And I don't think they have the 691 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,160 depth at defensive line to do that. 692 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,840 And they have great safeties. They have solid linebackers, but 693 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,600 I I don't see that being the case this week. 694 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,760 I actually forget your question now, GAIL. 695 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:44,040 It was, it was more like it's more of a continuum than an 696 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,120 individual question. But, but I think you, you kind 697 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,280 of answered it in a way, because a lot of it was the idea of 698 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,480 whether Indiana could really air it out, so to speak, or 699 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,760 establish the run in a way where Ohio State's having trouble 700 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,840 stopping the run. You know, a, a lot of what 701 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,280 Indiana has done that's led to so much success has been their 702 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,160 effective use of RPO. It's been their ability to get 703 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,040 into the red zone. I mentioned this before, like 704 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,840 what they're the number one team in the country and drives that 705 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,360 end in the red or get to the red zone, which of course includes 706 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,560 scoring. And when I look at the defensive 707 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,360 numbers for Ohio State, what what sticks out is they're only 708 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,920 43rd in the country in, in defending rush success. 709 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,080 They're 64th in the country in line yards per rush. 710 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,920 And you know, they're, they're OK, you know, they're, they're 711 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,640 17th in, in defensive explosion rate allowed, but they're not 712 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,320 like stellar at that. And it's interesting 'cause you 713 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,080 look at Ohio State's defense and it's hard to reconcile those 714 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,560 numbers with the fact that so few teams have scored against 715 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,520 them. Like what would you? 716 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,360 How do? How do we interpret that? 717 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,840 Yeah. So, so yeah, I've, I have also, 718 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,160 and, and it's been a pattern throughout the year too. 719 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,960 Like there will be some teams who have decent rushing defenses 720 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,400 that give up rushing success. And the idea with that is that 721 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,440 if you need to go on the ground there, there's an opportunity 722 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,240 there. And and so there's it's, it's a 723 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,960 slight vulnerability in the defense. 724 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,720 And, and I think a lot of it comes from their interior 725 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,280 defensive line. They have not been super 726 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,920 impressive this year. And I and I think that you know, 727 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,080 they're going to India is going to be able to find some success 728 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,280 running, running near the middle of of the offensive line. 729 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,120 So I think that is it's encouraging. 730 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,480 It's it's an encouraging sign. But I will say, Galen, I think 731 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,960 the you're like, like you're absolutely right to know the the 732 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,920 defensive rushing success for Ohio State. 733 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,280 But I will say this, this Indiana team has really kind of 734 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,560 gone at the strengths of the of the teams they've played. 735 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,560 They haven't really cared about they, they see my charts. 736 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,800 They say to hell with that. They they, they like. 737 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,560 It's been interesting. Well, it is, but it but what's 738 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,640 interesting about it and, and actually what another freaky 739 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,760 thing about this game statistically is that these are 740 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,440 almost mirror images of each other in terms of how the 741 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,280 offense for one team faces off against the defence of another 742 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,600 team. But you know, the strength of 743 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,920 Indiana's been their past success over the course of the 744 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,480 season. I mean, they've had great 745 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,760 Russian games, but ultimately like where they've really earned 746 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,320 their pay and and had their meal has been in the passing game. 747 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,400 And yeah, I am really interested because Ohio State, you know, 748 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,960 it's it's a it's just hard to to reconcile for me. 749 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,880 Like they've only allowed ten points per game, and that's even 750 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,760 kind of a that's not not even a fair stat when you think about 751 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,040 of the, the however many points they've allowed this season. 752 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,080 I didn't count up the entire number, but you know, they they 753 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,920 have of the what the 10 games they played, nine of the games 754 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,920 teams didn't score more than 17 points and eight of the games 755 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,160 teams didn't score more than 14 points, but they had one game 756 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,520 where they allowed 32 points. And so they've actually been 757 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,920 even better. But the flip side of it is like 758 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,120 when you look at the teams that they've beaten as much as 759 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,200 Indiana's gotten harangued for their weak their weak schedule. 760 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,320 I'm just going to read off the names of the teams that Ohio 761 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,880 State has held to these low points. 762 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,720 Akron, Western Michigan, Marshall, MI State, who? 763 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,680 Of course, Indiana only allowed ten points against Iowa, who of 764 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,080 is Iowa? Nebraska, who Indiana only 765 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,680 allowed seven points against. Ohio State allowed 17. 766 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,520 Penn State, who's notoriously bad at playing offense in games 767 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,520 that matter. Purdue who's what? 768 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,960 Did Bill Connolly call them either the worst or second worst 769 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,880 Purdue football team since World War 2. 770 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,320 And then Northwestern, who To be fair, Northwestern moved the 771 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,800 ball a little too easily against Indiana. 772 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,960 And there's still people that think Indiana has a bad defense 773 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,040 because of that one game. But the the one game they played 774 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,320 a good offense was Oregon and they couldn't stop Oregon. 775 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,440 And that is, it is really interesting, as much as we kind 776 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,840 of self flagellate Indiana as being an underdog and we're 777 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,360 like, I don't know if they can go up against him. 778 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:02,000 Everything we've seen out of Indiana's offense, except in the 779 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,720 Michigan game says they'll be able to move the ball and score 780 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:06,600 points. And everything about Ohio State 781 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,280 says the one time they played a good offense this season, they 782 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,680 couldn't stop that offense. And that I, I don't know, I, I 783 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,960 can't get that thought out of my head, I guess is my point. 784 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,040 Yeah, Ohio State fans can't either. 785 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,600 That, that, that's that I I asked somebody, you know, what 786 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,680 do you think is going to be the way the Indiana Beasts team? 787 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,560 And they're like, well, the thing that a lot of folks are 788 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,600 concerned about over here is there is a lot of there, there's 789 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,840 a vulnerability exposed against Oregon and, and the passing 790 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,360 defense, and this is the best passing defense. 791 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,840 Well, it's the best pass defense in the country, but it's, it's 792 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,960 the best one since since Oregon that they've played. 793 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,720 And that's. An offense, yes. 794 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,480 Yeah or yeah, sorry, passing offense. 795 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,200 And Curtis Rourke is the best graded quarterback, throwing 796 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,440 further than 20 yards downfield. Better than doing Gabriel, Yes, 797 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,960 yeah, yeah. You know, So obviously the big 798 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,800 question then becomes, you know, Ohio State's got, I'm assuming 799 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,360 in their minds, they've got to disrupt Indiana's passing game, 800 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,280 which means a lot of pressure. But that should, if Indiana's 801 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,840 playing it right and if O'Rourke is making the right decisions on 802 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,120 his RPOS should open up the running game because you can't 803 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,600 over commit to the pass rush without giving something up and 804 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,520 run defense. Yeah, no, absolutely. 805 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,040 And and they they've Ohio has been trying some different 806 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,760 things on defense to get more of a pass rush too, because their 807 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,720 defensive ends are not getting the job done when it comes to 808 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,240 pass rush, which is honestly a little surprising. 809 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:32,720 They're both former five star recruits. 810 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,280 And so they they bring their linebacker, Sonny Styles a lot 811 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,840 on the edge now in the last couple weeks. 812 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,280 And that's actually been really effective. 813 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,840 So that's. The moment I hear they're 814 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,320 bringing the linebacker, I just think, well, there's an Elijah 815 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,200 Serrat slant. Zach Horton's sitting down on a 816 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,680 little 7 yarder. I mean that like that's these 817 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,160 are the thing and this is where the prep time is going to be 818 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,160 really fascinating for Shanahan and Sunseri, because they're 819 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,520 going to see all of these tendencies and it's going to be 820 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,560 really interesting to see what they can dig out. 821 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,440 Like, you know, what were the successful plays that were run 822 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,920 by the non good offensive teams? But it's also like, again, 823 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,280 people forget that that Oregon game was the 12th of October. 824 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,000 So much has happened since then. You know, that was, that was 825 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,960 12345 games ago. And you've, you've got you've 826 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,080 lost some muscle memory if you're Ohio State in terms of, I 827 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,240 mean, you don't prepare to play Purdue in Northwestern 828 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,720 offensively and then be able to turn around effectively and be 829 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,600 like, OK, now we got to take on Indiana. 830 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, exactly. 831 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,200 And and the yeah, like that's why some some people on on that 832 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,280 side of things are concerned about, OK, is the past defense 833 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,680 fixed or is is or have they just not played a very good past 834 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,440 offense since then? And is Indiana the team that is 835 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,120 going to expose that again and kind of break open that scab? 836 00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,840 You know, I think there's a possibility that that's the 837 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,400 truth. I would like to see Omar Cooper 838 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,040 have a big game personally, and he's I Galen, I have an 839 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,760 interesting stab that's going to be in the preview. 840 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,360 But Jeremiah Smith is is AI mean He's he's a freak man. 841 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,200 He's so good. DeAngelo Paul is going to have a 842 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:20,120 hard day against him, I think. But in terms of like big plays, 843 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,880 there are two receivers who are at the top of the Big 10 in 844 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:30,800 terms of average depth of target and plus the yards after catch 845 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,760 per reception. Like they're nobody matches 846 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,320 Jeremiah Smith and nobody matches Omar Cooper. 847 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,360 And I'm like, Oh my God, like this is that's a big deal. 848 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,440 And Omar Cooper has no drops this season. 849 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,040 I just think that he's he's he's poised for a big game. 850 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,440 And I could see, I could see some, I could see a game like 851 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,240 this being one of those for him. Yeah, I mean, as and as much as 852 00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:54,120 people rightly pay attention to Jeremiah Smith as a freshman, 853 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,520 Omar Cooper's the sophomore and and, you know, I'm and I mean, 854 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,480 and he's caught fewer ball, but about half the ball is 24 balls. 855 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,480 But he's averaging more yards per reception. 856 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,360 He's got almost the same number of touchdowns. 857 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,960 Yeah, I I agree. I think that's gonna be really 858 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,160 fascinating to watch. The one thing. 859 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,880 And you were concerned about this when I brought it to your 860 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,960 attention. Right now, the weather forecast, 861 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,200 it's changed a little bit. It's gonna be a little bit 862 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:21,120 warmer now than was originally thought. 47°, but W northwest, 863 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,440 northwest wind at 13 miles an hour gusting to 24. 864 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,400 Maybe not as big of a deal, given the shape of the horseshoe 865 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,360 and the fact that, you know, you, you generally don't always 866 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,560 get swirling winds coming in from that particular angle. 867 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,760 But in a game where you'd like Indiana to be able to throw the 868 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,920 ball all over the field, that does become a bit of a concern. 869 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,600 On the flip side, you've got a Canadian quarterback who played 870 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,440 at Ohio University. Like he's at least familiar with 871 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,160 how these conditions probably are in that part of the state. 872 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,360 Considering Will Howard came from Kansas State, I don't know 873 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,200 where Will Howard's from, but but yeah, no, yeah, exactly. 874 00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:00,800 But yeah, yeah, the when when I think, when I think about the 875 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,360 weather and how it might impact the game, I think if it makes 876 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,440 the game shorter, I think that benefits Indiana in some ways 877 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,680 and maybe it hurts them in other ways. 878 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,160 I just I think if you get if you get Ohio State's defence playing 879 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,080 in a smaller space, I think that's not good for you. 880 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,360 Like, like the linebackers are are very effective. 881 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,880 The safeties, I mean their safeties, Mccrary, he's like, 882 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,080 he's on another level with these safeties because like they're 883 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,040 the two best safeties in the country for sure. 884 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,840 And, and they're both on the same team. 885 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:36,120 And so I, I just think that if you, if you get this team and 886 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,960 the defensive ends are actually really effective and, and run 887 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,240 the defense, if you get this team playing in a smaller space, 888 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,880 that's, I don't think that's, that's good for you. 889 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,640 But defensively, I think that's great. 890 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,160 You know, like that, that's, that's, that's what you want. 891 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,320 They Ohio State gets more explosion out of their passing 892 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,600 attack than they do the running attack. 893 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,440 So, you know, if it if it, if the weather is as rough as as as 894 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,280 it could be and it gets more into like a running, rushing 895 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,480 struggle, I think, you know, I think that probably, I don't 896 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,040 know, I, I think it favors Ohio State in some ways. 897 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:16,160 But again, this team, like they, they ran all over Nebraska and 898 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,480 Nebraska has one of the best defensive fronts in the country. 899 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,960 And Matt rule thought he they were that thought they were 900 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,360 prepared. So I, I, yeah, I sometimes I 901 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,560 struggle with what to expect from this Indiana team. 902 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,040 And, and, you know, I, if, if maybe if I knew what to expect, 903 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,760 I, I, I would be paid big bucks and, you know, a team would hire 904 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,520 me to, to prepare them. I know. 905 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,080 I think it's not your fault. It's trying to figure out 906 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,640 anything about this Indiana team is almost impossible. 907 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,200 I mean, the the the level they've gotten themselves to in 908 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,320 so many games is just not something that we're it's not as 909 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,920 an Indiana thing. It's not that we're not used to 910 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,640 using with Indiana, you're not used to seeing a period. 911 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:55,800 So I wouldn't don't beat yourself up. 912 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,440 Let's let's switch sides of the ball, though. 913 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,920 So Ohio State's offense versus Indiana's defense. 914 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,960 Now, this is a weird one because again, I don't know how much to 915 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:11,520 take out of the Michigan game. And and yet it wasn't just how 916 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,680 good Indiana was at stopping Michigan in the running attack. 917 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,120 You had a great stat right afterwards that pointed out that 918 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,640 was essentially the worst running game that Michigan had 919 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,240 had all season. And and that was entirely 920 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:25,120 because of Indiana's defensive line. 921 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,520 And there was a great breakdown that Urban Meyer and Jerry 922 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,720 Denardo did last week where they showed like the stunting, like 923 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:37,840 the extreme stunting Indiana, like jumping multiple gaps, you 924 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,520 know, guys taking out two offensive lineman at once, like 925 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,560 stuff that shouldn't probably be happening against Michigan of 926 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,240 all teams. But Indiana was able to do it. 927 00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:47,760 It was almost like I was like, this can't be Indiana, Phil. 928 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,120 Like, I've never seen an Indiana defensive line play like this 929 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,160 against Michigan in their offensive line. 930 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,680 And then you take into account in, you know, Ohio State's 931 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,120 offensive line, which was already not playing great, had 932 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,440 gotten better obviously over the past few weeks. 933 00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:04,320 They are now in disarray having lost their their center. 934 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,920 They're all American caliber center. 935 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,720 They'd already lost their left tackle. 936 00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:10,680 They now have to move their left guard to center. 937 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,560 So now they're going to have a weakened left side of the line 938 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,080 and not just weakened, but an out of sync line. 939 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,920 And this is something that, you know, people you can talk about 940 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,560 like for like replacements and who's Got Talent and what 941 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,040 they're 4, you know, four stars. But there's no replacing the 942 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,280 repetitions that you get as a unit in the offensive line, 943 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,240 knowing when to cover for each other, how to call out things 944 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,720 that are coming on. It's not something that you fix, 945 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,320 especially not with two days before the game or three days 946 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,320 before the game. So if you're the Indiana 947 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,040 defense, you know, obviously stopping the run is important, 948 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,880 but then you've also got to deal with Ohio State's passing attack 949 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,160 And Will Howard, while he hasn't been as good statistically as 950 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,960 Curtis Work has been a very good quarterback so far this year for 951 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,680 them and has put the ball where it needs to be. 952 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,280 Yeah, yeah, the it's interesting with Will Howard, I, I, I, I 953 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,520 want to talk about the offensive line here in a second, but Will 954 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:10,400 Howard, he has a low passing grade from PFF under pressure, 955 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,520 but his numbers aren't bad. So I'm not really, I haven't I 956 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,840 haven't seen enough of that specific scenario to know, but 957 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,360 I. Mean he's completing just for 958 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,880 for the audience. He's completing 73% of his 959 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,600 passes this year for 24184 yards, 24 touchdowns, 5 960 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,000 interceptions. So statistically he's fine. 961 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,600 But as you meant in APFF, obviously grades things other 962 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,800 than just statistics and he has that a little bit of trouble 963 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,360 when he has been pressured. Absolutely. 964 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,360 And I will say there there is one particular scenario. 965 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,560 So when, when Will Howard is under pressure without a blitz, 966 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,000 He has the second highest pressure to SAC ratio in the in 967 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,320 the conference. So if Indiana can get pressure 968 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,320 without blitzing, which I think they can, that is huge like 969 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,520 that, that's that's a huge difference and that that'll be a 970 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,600 huge disruptor when it comes to the passing attack. 971 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,000 But yeah, no, the Ohio State's offensive line, their most 972 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,360 talented offensive lineman is their left tackle. 973 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,560 But he should be at left guard. But they had their injuries like 974 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,160 Donovan Jackson. He, I really like Donovan 975 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,680 Jackson. I think he's a really solid 976 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,200 offensive lineman. I think he'd be playing in the 977 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,200 NFL. But moving, moving to left 978 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,280 tackle from left guard. I mean this, this offensive line 979 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,520 is essentially 5 interior offensive lineman because it's 980 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,880 Josh Fryer. The right tackle began his 981 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,600 career as a guard. He was recruited as a guard. 982 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,480 You're in Indiana, he was recruited as a guard and and 983 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,280 then he went to Ohio State. They moved him to right tackle. 984 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,240 He kind of struggled at times last year. 985 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:41,000 He's been inconsistent, honestly. 986 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,320 And I think if he were to play in the NFL, it would be 987 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,240 interior. And so he profiles as more of an 988 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:50,880 interior offensive lineman. And so now they have, you know, 989 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,240 they have last year's center playing back at center again. 990 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:57,040 They have essentially their third guard, 4th guard playing 991 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,040 at at left guard now, kind of like Indiana and their right 992 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,640 guard has not been very effective. 993 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,800 I think he's still kind of young and and their left tackle is, is 994 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,720 is supposed to be a guard. So there's and and he got he got 995 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,840 torn up against Penn State. He played Purdue in Northwestern 996 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,920 after that and it was a little bit better, but that's pretty 997 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,680 Northwestern, not Indiana when it comes to defensive line. 998 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,200 So there, I mean, like you were saying, if there are throwing a 999 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,680 lot of stunts at them, if they're throwing a lot of 1000 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,600 different looks at them, I mean, it could be a long day for this 1001 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,400 Ohio State offensive line. Assuming they're able to keep 1002 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,440 Indiana's offense at or defensive line at Bay, you know, 1003 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,600 then it really comes down to how how does Indiana's secondary 1004 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,080 deal with what Ohio State has from a talent perspective at 1005 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,320 receiver? And, and this is, I think a 1006 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,120 concern for Indiana as well as in as well as the defensive 1007 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,720 backs have rallied over the last few weeks and you know, they've, 1008 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,080 they've generated havoc plays, they've they've, they've gotten 1009 00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,560 interceptions, things like that. This is by far, I think the best 1010 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,080 off receiving core that they will have faced in terms of 1011 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,560 talent, in terms of coaching, in terms of just, you know, all of 1012 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,120 the pieces being there. And that's probably where I'm 1013 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,480 the most concerned for Indiana is that, you know, if this gets 1014 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,480 into a shootout, you do worry about Indiana being able 1015 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,000 ultimately to make the plays just because they're going to be 1016 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,120 dwarfed athletically by what Ohio State's able to put out 1017 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,640 there. And that's not a new story, but 1018 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,800 it's one that could be a deciding factor in a game like 1019 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,120 this. Ever since Ryan Day became the 1020 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,520 head coach, they're all their passing. 1021 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,840 Offense has been so layered, like complex. 1022 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,480 It's been it's been really, really impressive and, and, and 1023 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,040 it's been steady and having Ryan Day and Chip Kelly at the head 1024 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,760 of it, Brian Haynes is going to have quite a task on his hand. 1025 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,840 And I, yeah, that's a big concern of mine with the 1026 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,000 secondary. Just the actually a funny story, 1027 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,280 one of the Ohio State podcasters got offended when I said the 1028 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,640 Indiana's wide receivers room is actually deeper than Ohio 1029 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,200 State's wide receivers room. But which I was surprised to say 1030 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,960 there are like more stars in that wide receivers core than 1031 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,640 there probably is, are in Indiana's defense. 1032 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:17,160 But you know the that that that that room is full of talent and 1033 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,880 it like Carnell Tate is their third wide receiver. 1034 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,760 I think he could be dangerous in this game. 1035 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,320 I. Mean the one thing I'll say 1036 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:27,880 though, is like, you're not wrong. 1037 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,360 Like I mean, Ohio State's receiving Corey is more 1038 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,320 talented, you know, Jeremiah Smith and and and Mecca Igboka 1039 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,400 and Carnell Tate like that trio has combined for Let me do some 1040 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,000 quick math 129 catches so far on the season. 1041 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,760 I think it is for, you know, 21 touchdowns, they're all 1042 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,640 averaging at least 12 yards per catch. 1043 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,280 I mean, they're they're really good, but they're not that deep. 1044 00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,120 You know, Brandon Innes has the next number of catches with 12 1045 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,160 of the receivers. And then the the next three 1046 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,840 receivers are, you know, G Scott, which is a tight end, 1047 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,920 Trevion Henderson and Quinton Judkins. 1048 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,880 And from there, hardly anybody's caught a ball. 1049 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,280 They've had like little spot throws. 1050 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,800 It's it's very different. It's very traditional. 1051 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,280 It's very NFL like. You've got your clear, you got 1052 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,480 your clear X, your clear Y, your clear slot guy, and then you got 1053 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,320 to tie it in to kind of clean things up. 1054 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,240 Whereas Indiana kind of uses this almost like anthill 1055 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:29,840 approach to receiving where they you know, you never know, like 1056 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,840 is it gonna be Serrat? Is it gonna be Cooper? 1057 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,640 Is it gonna be price? Is it gonna be, you know, 1058 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,920 Keyshawn Williams? I mean, there's just so many 1059 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,920 different places that they can go. 1060 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,760 It's a it's a fascinating contrast in styles. 1061 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,960 You can get away with what Ohio State does if you have the 1062 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,120 talent, which they do. Indiana's kind of been forced to 1063 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,320 use this multi faceted thing and and both work really well. 1064 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,640 Like there isn't necessarily an advantage of one or the other. 1065 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,480 It's just going to be interesting because it gives 1066 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,960 Indiana slightly less to key on in their secondary. 1067 00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,320 But the question then becomes you still have to make the plays 1068 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,880 at that point. I wouldn't, yeah, Quick though, 1069 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,360 I would like to see Indiana use like distribute the ball more in 1070 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,480 this game. Then like sometimes it seems 1071 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,760 like there's like the one guy that's working for them and they 1072 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,280 just go to him. I would like to see a lot more 1073 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,480 distribution, but but yeah, no, that like like like you were 1074 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,960 saying, I think Ameka Ibuka could be the the big problem for 1075 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,240 for this Indiana team. He he's all over the field. 1076 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,720 He's in a lot of mesh concepts. He kind of makes this passing 1077 00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:32,000 offense work and and I honestly, I thought that he might be more 1078 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,520 productive in his career at Ohio State. 1079 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,440 He's had some injuries and things, but his he has a ton of 1080 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,600 talent and I think it's really interesting. 1081 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,160 I somebody I was just talking to said that he might be somebody 1082 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,840 that goes to the NFL and has a more productive rookie season 1083 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,440 than he had a senior season at Ohio State. 1084 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,320 And I could see that happening. And so Mecca Buca is is very 1085 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:58,400 concerning for me. And and Indiana has not not 1086 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,960 really seen, like I was just saying the complexity of the 1087 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,040 passing offense, but they haven't seen somebody execute it 1088 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,120 like a Mecca Buka. And and I think that's that is 1089 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,920 that's concerned. That's why I want to see them 1090 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,920 get pressure with their defensive line so they can pull 1091 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,160 their linebackers back and have, you know, Terry Jones working in 1092 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,960 the passing defense instead of maybe and then rush defense or 1093 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,840 pass rushing. So yeah, it I, I have my 1094 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:27,040 concerns about the secondary. The, you know, talent wise, 1095 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,320 there's definitely a difference, but there's been a difference 1096 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,280 all season. So it's, it's, it's tough, it's 1097 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,240 tough to know. And because you know, like 1098 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,440 everybody's saying there, there is a, there is a jump in, in 1099 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,320 quality of this team and quality of opponent in Ohio State. 1100 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,800 You know, I think we're still learning new things about this 1101 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,000 Indiana team, and I don't think that's any different this week. 1102 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,720 As we look at the rest of the match up and everything like 1103 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,680 that, I mean, anything else that sticks out to you that you think 1104 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,320 is important for IU fans to know going into this game and, and 1105 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,080 just trying to understand and decipher the match up that we're 1106 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:11,960 going to be seeing? I no we we. 1107 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,320 But like I said, I'm sick of myself, Caitlin. 1108 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,800 No, I, I think the quarterback battle would be really 1109 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:18,960 interesting. It's something that I don't 1110 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,480 think a lot of people are talking that much about, at 1111 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,320 least from from my perspective, because I mean, well, somebody 1112 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,520 literally suggested that Indiana sit. 1113 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,280 Curtis Rourke But yeah, yeah, yeah. 1114 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,240 But I I I don't think. It happened on American 1115 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,640 television. Can you believe that? 1116 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,680 I on Twitter? That was the most disingenuous 1117 00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,320 and obvious reverse concern trolling I think I've ever seen 1118 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,440 In like what? Like well then? 1119 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,840 And then of course, you know, the barstool guy decides to 1120 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,160 double down, you know, and try to make a worse take. 1121 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,760 It's like he has just forfeit the game. 1122 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,720 I like I come on. Anyway, go on please. 1123 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,440 Yeah, yeah. So I think, I think the the 1124 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,000 quarterback, the quarterback battle is going to be really 1125 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,760 interesting. Their their statistics are 1126 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,320 actually very close. Curtis works a little more 1127 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,680 efficient, like slightly more efficient, pushes the ball down 1128 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,520 field a little bit more than Ohio State and, and Will Howard 1129 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,080 do. But but another thing that I, I 1130 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,280 want to know is that Indiana's or Ohio State's defensive line 1131 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,880 is not what we've come to know it to be. 1132 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,640 They're they don't get a ton of havoc from their defensive line, 1133 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:28,280 which is encouraging. And also it was interesting 1134 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,760 because they're running backs are really talented and really 1135 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:35,280 effective and, and run hard. Ohio State's are and like 1136 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,600 Trayvon Henderson, which Trayvon Henderson is the the brother of 1137 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,040 Ronnie Walker, the former IE running back. 1138 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,120 I can't believe Trevi on Henderson is still playing 1139 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,760 college. But yeah, but they, but it's 1140 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,200 interesting because they get more of their rushing yards from 1141 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,360 their line and line yards than they do from the running backs 1142 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,720 and second level yards. So that's, that's been that's 1143 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,200 that's that was interesting to see because the running backs 1144 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:05,200 are so talented. But, but yeah, no, I, I think, 1145 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,600 you know, I, I think this, this week is just so it's so 1146 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,360 interesting to be an Indiana football fan. 1147 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:16,200 Like, like you were saying, because there's it's like it's 1148 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,640 the biggest matchup of the week. It has some comfortable playoff 1149 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,960 implications. It you know, there's this whole 1150 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,960 big 10 versus SEC thing kind of centered on Indiana. 1151 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,160 And, and I've seen like, I mean, I've watched get out for a 1152 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,520 second this morning and like they were talking about Indiana 1153 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:33,920 and I was like, what is happening? 1154 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,520 This is not this is not usual. And so, I don't know, I just 1155 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,560 hope everybody's enjoying it. I think people are longer. 1156 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,680 I'll, I'll say this, one of the fascinating things about the 1157 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,160 discourse, I guess I'll call it, that's happening on Twitter 1158 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,520 about SEC, you know, versus Indiana and, and the record 1159 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,280 stuff and the College Football Playoff is it's actually weirdly 1160 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,200 kept the game itself and the match up a little bit under 1161 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,040 wraps, at least for Indiana fans. 1162 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,120 Like most Indiana fans have been consumed talking about or 1163 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,000 getting into arguments with, with Tennessee fans or Ole Miss 1164 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,600 fans online. And it's kind of allowed the 1165 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,920 actual match up to fly under the radar other than, you know, S&P 1166 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,960 Plus's projection was out and you know, it's like a 12 point 1167 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,400 margin of victory for Ohio State and FP. 1168 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,040 I I think was a similar thing. But you know, I mean, there have 1169 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,680 been other power projections that we've seen that have come 1170 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,320 out that have been more favorable in Indiana. 1171 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,880 I mean, you know, there was one earlier today that had Indiana 1172 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,840 as a A4 point underdog. That's Parker Fleming with the 1173 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,320 advanced stats preview. And it was interesting looking 1174 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,720 at that and comparing it to what I knew your stat sheet look 1175 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,960 like. And it's, it's more favorable 1176 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,160 than what we've seen, I think largely because of Indiana's 1177 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,560 relative success rates on offense and defense. 1178 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,760 And you know, the idea that perhaps it translates a little 1179 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,800 more cleanly to a, a direct matchup than some of the 1180 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,360 computer projected matchup thing that you see in S&P Plus, where 1181 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,080 it's, it's really more kind of separate items just being thrown 1182 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:07,640 together. That's not meant to be a 1183 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,120 criticism. It's just kind of how this the 1184 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,040 formula works. And so it's allowed the game 1185 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,280 itself and the matchups to fly under the radar. 1186 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,840 Not in Ohio. I mean, and that's the that's 1187 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,160 the interesting thing. Like you, they've been talking 1188 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,560 very, very specifically about what Ohio State needs to do. 1189 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,520 That noise has got to be out there. 1190 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,720 Indiana's players have just been like, we're focusing on the game 1191 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,320 and nobody else is here. And that's actually great 1192 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,880 because people aren't freaking out about it. 1193 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,680 Everybody's just like, my God, I can't believe Indiana's playing 1194 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,680 in the top five matchup versus Ohio State. 1195 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,120 Wow, what an incredible situation. 1196 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,000 So I, I don't know if that helps Indiana, I don't know if it 1197 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,600 helps Ohio State, but it has been really fun and interesting 1198 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:50,160 to watch that unfold this week. Yeah, yeah, it has been, it's 1199 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,440 been, I've been trying not to engage too much on social media. 1200 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,400 I just get too worked up and I just think the whole thing is 1201 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:57,520 kind of silly. Anyway. 1202 01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,520 I, I, I'm going to write about it in the preview. 1203 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,400 So there'll be some, some I'll put my some of my thoughts on in 1204 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,160 buy size buys in. But but yeah, no, that's been 1205 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:11,080 really interesting to to see and and just kind of, I don't know 1206 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,600 the you kind of noted this on on Twitter, Galen, about how every 1207 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,760 time Indiana is good, college football landscape just kind of 1208 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:24,000 melts and and and I just think there's a lot of truth to that. 1209 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,000 It is. It's wild, is it not? 1210 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,680 I mean, it's just, and the one last thing I want to say, and I 1211 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,000 think this is an interesting subplot to the subplot. 1212 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,840 Not only is football, the college football scene melted 1213 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,360 because of Indiana being good and in contention for the 1214 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:42,400 playoff in the playoffs, not in contention right now. 1215 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,760 You mentioned this when we were talking beforehand. 1216 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,800 Like there's a weird kind of respect towards Indiana coming 1217 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,080 from Ohio State. Like most of the slings and 1218 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,800 arrows that are being shot are being shot by SEC fans or by 1219 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,840 Notre Dame fans. But like, they've noticed the 1220 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,400 Ohio State fans have been weirdly quiet on this front. 1221 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,480 And and I can't tell if that's like, hey, maybe we need to have 1222 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,720 some Esprit de corps among the Big 10 teams. 1223 01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,600 Or maybe it's like, you know, it doesn't do a lot of good for 1224 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,000 Ohio State to be talking about how terrible Indiana is. 1225 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,280 If Indiana then comes in and and beats them or plays them close, 1226 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,840 it's like, well, then what do we look like? 1227 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,080 So you almost have to hedge your bets on that. 1228 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,920 It's it's been a fascinating almost detente between these two 1229 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,480 fan bases over the course of the week. 1230 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,840 And I wasn't expecting that. Yeah, no, me too, me too, 'cause 1231 01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,800 every time going into the game there's always some kind of 1232 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,560 chatter usually coming from Ohio State fans, but, but yeah, no, 1233 01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:38,600 it's, it's, it's, yeah, it's been strangely cordial and, and 1234 01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,520 I think, yeah, I think there's like there's a little, there 1235 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,040 might be a little solidarity and, and the Big 10, you know, 1236 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,000 against SEC but, but also, yeah, I think, I think you're right. 1237 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,720 I think it would be embarrassing to to talk about this Indiana 1238 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,040 team like that, like the like the SEC has been talking about 1239 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:54,400 them and then lose to them at home. 1240 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:55,280 I don't. I don't. 1241 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,720 I don't think a lot of Ohio State fans think that'll happen, 1242 01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:58,200 but. You. 1243 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,200 Know the chance of it is is a lot higher than it has been in 1244 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,240 the past. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting 1245 01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,360 'cause like the projections, like we said, you know, the, the 1246 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,720 line was, has been somewhere between 12 and 13 1/2. 1247 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,440 S&P Plus is at 12. And look, I, I've always felt 1248 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,080 when you try to evaluate these things, it's hard to say like 1249 01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:16,640 what's the, what's the point spread gonna be? 1250 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,840 Whatever I was, I will say this going into the week and you and 1251 01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,440 I talked about it a little bit on text, I was like, this could 1252 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,280 be a really low scoring game. I don't believe that anymore. 1253 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,440 I actually have swung the entire opposite direction. 1254 01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,240 I feel like this this could be a track meet as I look at these 1255 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,240 two teams, 'cause I think it's clear both of their offenses are 1256 01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,760 better than the defenses that they're playing against in terms 1257 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,920 of their ability to execute. And to me, ultimately, I think 1258 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,600 the game comes down to can Indiana's offense execute the 1259 01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,440 way that it did in that string of games like the, the Maryland, 1260 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,760 Northwestern, Nebraska games before Curtis Work went down 1261 01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,240 with the injury. And, and I would even throw in 1262 01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,480 the, the, the last three quarters of the Michigan State 1263 01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,000 game. Like if they can get that level 1264 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,320 of, of, and I'm not saying they can score at that level, they're 1265 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,320 probably not gonna score 40 points against Ohio State. 1266 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:08,200 But if they can score, if they can score 31 points against Ohio 1267 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,640 State, I think they got a real good chance of winning the game. 1268 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,720 Because I don't know if Ohio State's gonna be capable of 1269 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,560 scoring 40 or, you know, 32 points against Indiana. 1270 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,720 That's gonna be a really interesting thing to watch. 1271 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:27,320 Yeah, yeah, I've I've come down with where I think, I think I, I 1272 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,560 think 27 points is the is the line for me. 1273 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,840 I think if you hit 27, I think you win this game. 1274 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:33,960 That might be lower than some others. 1275 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,960 But but yeah, like you said, I started out, I started out 1276 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,480 thinking this is going to be a low scoring game. 1277 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,400 Like I knew both the offenses really effective, but they're 1278 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,800 just like some, some matchups that I think could favor either 1279 01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,160 team. I think the safeties at Ohio 1280 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,360 State are very good and I think the defensive line for Indiana 1281 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,680 is very good. And the way that those match up 1282 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,320 with the offenses, I think they're going to be some slowing 1283 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,240 down of the offenses. So I started out really low, but 1284 01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,840 like I, I, I, I thought that I, I said, you know, the score 1285 01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,880 would be 2417 Ohio State on, on the 11 warriors podcast 1286 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,400 yesterday. And I've already been like, OK, 1287 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,680 that was way too low. I need to pull, I need to pull 1288 01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,200 back a little that I, I, I just said that to thousands of 1289 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,560 people. So I, you know, when you make a 1290 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,000 bad take and it's like, oh, that's, that's. 1291 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,520 Not good man. I know, trust me, I've had 1292 01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,000 plenty of those in my lifetime. So I I well, a lot left to go 1293 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,040 and and obviously whenever you're listening to this, 1294 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,800 whether it's a a day and a half before or leading up to kickoff, 1295 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,120 hopefully it's a great game. That's I think the big thing 1296 01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,560 right now. And I feel like, you know, I, 1297 01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,400 someone asked me earlier today, like, what were my feelings 1298 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,520 about the game? And I said, I feel at peace 1299 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,240 because I, you know, I think that this team will play well, 1300 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,440 that Indiana will play well. I trust their ability to 1301 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,440 prepare. You are dealing with an 1302 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,000 environment you haven't dealt with before going into Ohio 1303 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,160 Stadium. You're dealing with a more 1304 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,560 talented team in terms of, of, you know, athleticism and just 1305 01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,040 recruiting numbers and whatnot. And it's hard to say how all of 1306 01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,400 that plays out, especially when weather might be a factor. 1307 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,600 But as I've been saying all season, or at least for the last 1308 01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,760 five or six games, this team deserves the benefit of the 1309 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,880 doubt in terms of will they be able to get the job done. 1310 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,520 I see no reason to change that mentality now, even though this 1311 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:20,000 is clearly by far by magnitude, It's just the toughest challenge 1312 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,920 that they've had all season. And that's not, there's nothing 1313 01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,319 to be said that's wrong about that. 1314 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,840 But I do think Indiana brings something to the party here 1315 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,479 because they are more like the team that beat Ohio State than 1316 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,439 they are the teams that Ohio State has beaten thus far this 1317 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,560 season. I've been calling this the 1318 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,479 analytics. They're the BSB analytics 1319 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,080 national championship because because they're the top two 1320 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,800 teams and EPA and EPA per play in the country. 1321 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,279 And I was like, OK, this is 1 and 2. 1322 01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:47,640 Here we go National championship. 1323 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,319 But yeah, this might be the toughest in Indiana. 1324 01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:54,760 Plays all season, like go away. Like even into the couch wall 1325 01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,560 playoff it. This might be the toughest one, 1326 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,880 Yeah. Well, we'll see what happens. 1327 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,279 Should be a lot of fun. Taylor, sorry to make you do 1328 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:03,880 double duty on the podcast, but it was great. 1329 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,160 We loved having you as always, and we look forward to reading 1330 01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,279 your analysis leading up to the game as well as your analysis 1331 01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:12,040 after the game. So be sure to subscribe to Bite 1332 01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,720 Sized Bison on Substack folks and follow Taylor on Twitter at 1333 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,560 Buy Taylor L. You'll find all of his insights 1334 01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,920 there. My thanks to all of you folks 1335 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,520 for listening in. My thanks to our presenting 1336 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,880 sponsor, Home Field Apparel, and my thanks to the whole 1337 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,600 collective here at the Back Home Network. 1338 01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,479 I'm GAIL and Clavio. This is Crimson cast. 1339 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,640 We'll have a couple more or we may have already had those shows 1340 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,439 already, so this might be the last one you hear before the 1341 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,399 game. If so, stay. 1342 01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:39,439 Never daunted. Bring back the Bison. 1343 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:46,560 So long, everybody. And yes, YouTube. 1344 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,319 I know I got the order of that reversed. 1345 01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:49,920 It's fine. Goodnight.