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Apparel, welcome back to Crimson

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Cask ale enquiry. 
Oh Scott Coville joining you 

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once again. 
It is the 18th of September, 

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we're through week 3 of the 
college football. 

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All season and Indiana's 3 & 0, 
they knock off Western Kentucky 

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in overtime Yesterday by a score
of 33 to 30. 

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We're going to talk about all of
that. 

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And what we thought about it, as
it's another one of those games 

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that I think likely is, it could
fit into whatever narrative 

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you'd like to construct about 
IU. 

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This is, as we mentioned, I 
think earlier, this feels like 

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the ultimate Choose Your Own 
Adventure, novel, in terms of 

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trying to interpret how the 
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Again, how the teams doing so 
will try to dive into that, a 

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little bit as we go along. 
First of all Scott, how are you 

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doing? 
Good to see you again. 

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I'm doing great. 
I'm sorry, frog in my throat 

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doing great. 
Yeah, we are now headed into an 

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interesting period of time. 
I think with IU, and we're going

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to talk about that. 
We're going to talk about, you 

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know, how to evaluate some of 
the things that happened in the 

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game. 
Yesterday, we're also going to 

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talk about some former IU 
players and what they've been up

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to To lately or at least one in 
particular as that became a big 

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story last night as well at 
least in the twittersphere. 

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But first just a reminder that 
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yesterday, and always, always 
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Now, I don't know if anybody was

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I am you, which is exciting and 
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And hopefully for those of you 
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They keep releasing new and cool
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They had some Virginia stuff up 
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Don't use the internet like 
that's a very small subset of 

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people your marketing to today. 
Let me, let me broaden. 

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It people who don't use the 
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Still a very small subset. 
Do you say that you say that? 

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And yet I talked with people all
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the about home-field, apparel 
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Sometimes I wonder if we exist 
Scott because I think for a lot 

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of people we only exist on the 
internet and those people don't 

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use the internet, you know, it's
so Let's say, you know, there's 

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a football exist maybe here is a
God people who only use the 

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internet for basic things. 
It's like, but it's kind of 

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like, you know, stuff happens on
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it seems like the biggest deal 
in the world and they go ask a 

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person on the street about that 
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a very moderate opinions on what
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it in the first place. 
So I understand your confusion 

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over my confusion, but it feels 
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in time where people don't use 
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And that's what that's why I was
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And yes, go ahead was home is 
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always turning stuff around 
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don't tweet it kreutz, t-shirt. 
I think that's that seems like 

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the next evolution of things, 
but now I'm excited that home 

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because I think a lot of parents
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All right Scott, let's talk IU 

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the Hoosiers. 
Pull off a victory yesterday in 

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a game that they were favored in
by Vegas. 

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And that the analytics thought 
that they would lose, and as it 

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turned out, both parties were 
wrong because if you bet I you 

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You - six or six and a half or 
whatever it was, you lost in 

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this game. 
But if you trusted the 

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analytics, you also lost. 
And we talked about this a bit 

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going into the game. 
This idea that we really didn't 

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know how good Western Kentucky 
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If you look at the way they play
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competition. 
I, you had not looked impressive

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against Illinois and against 
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those games. 
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would I use like Superior Talent
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Superior opponent ranking, I 
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aggregate, would that carry the 
day and it kind of fell into the

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latter category, I guess. 
But this really felt like a game

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where Western Kentucky 
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Indiana. 
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they had really struggled to 
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game. 
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Nothing lead. 
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in the first half and then 
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before. 
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And from there essentially, 
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entire time did not lead until 
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field goal again. 
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tied until they scored, you 
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you know, and managed to get The
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So Scott I want to hear from you
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I guess. 
Like, what was your overall 

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reaction to the game? 
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And you know, how the process I 
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It's tough. 
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game like this. 
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thoughts, you know, I these were
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know, I sometimes look over the 
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just, you know, I remember being
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Like, do we win, or did we lose 
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her happy. 
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I'm like, why can't why do I 
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where it's like we can have 
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like a lot of things that bug me
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like hey we're 3 and 0. 
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Like we are 3 & 0 and there is 
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I also had this thought of, you 
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We want a Big, Ten game we 
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then, you know, this is also the
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Last year, we were two and one 
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of counterfactual is here. 
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be like are we did everything, 
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does kind of Loom large now 
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more wins than last year. 
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huge. 
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into it yet but there are a lot 
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that happened yesterday, whether
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on the defense coaching 
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played out, but, you know, the 
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against Idaho. 
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same way against Illinois but in
the And, you know, this is, 

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It's, you know, you got to go to
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this is a results-based business
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that matters is wins and losses 
in the final score in Indiana's 

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three. 
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out, I do really wonder if 
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continue to do that as things 
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on the opponent's side that 
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We talked about this on the 
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schedule podcast a little bit. 
It's so hard to project these 

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things. 
Cuz when you start looking at 

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the schedule, it's like all 
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Well, we still don't quite know 
what we're going to get at 

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Cincinnati but like the at 
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tough as we thought. 
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penix here in a second or in the
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But it's like, you know, washing
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I'm not sure we can do it washed
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But it's like. 
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Maybe Michigan State isn't a top
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Like there is a world where 
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kind of smoking mirrors its way 
to Six and six and we're like, I

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don't there's still a lot of 
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going to Nashville. 
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going to a bowl game and maybe 
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there are Parts, like, I still 
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Penn State, like the, we're not 
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those, but I, suddenly do see a 
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But they're so I want to keep it
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there are a lot of things that I
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you my the way that I left this 
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I was so unhappy how we got 
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almost like man, I wish I could 
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more, it was more of a relief 
and there's a million things 

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that I'm like these, none of 
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Like I'm not sure how we're 
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out because all the things that 
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just not ending with the result.
we're ending with the result 

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that I'm not sure we should be 
getting but we are getting it 

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and that is something Yeah, you 
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unpack there and all of it makes
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It's a challenge, anytime you 
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that's 3 and 0, but really 
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competition level hasn't been 
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Look at, what does that look 
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Moving ahead, you know, so it's 
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I think the first one is, all 

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right, how do how do you 
evaluate what occurred in that 

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game and I think this is where 
You know, we've had to do this 

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with all three games. 
It's like, well, you've won all 

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three good. 
You've come back in all three in

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the fourth quarter and it's 
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than that. 
Not the fourth quarter in the 

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Idaho game, obviously, but they 
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that one after trailing at 
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But you know, obviously, that's 
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you know, an IU team quit or, 
you know, just basically click 

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the moments too big for them. 
So, you want to give proper 

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credit there. 
And look, I think there were 

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some individual things. 
From the previous couple of 

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games that did look better in 
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blocking was better you know 
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four and a half to five yards 
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I mean we've complained a lot 
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to average more than three and a
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think is a positive Two 
different receivers got involved

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in this game. 
I think, you know Connor Basel 

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II through 33 passes and I think
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of the game where it's well, 
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gains but it felt like Western 
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a lot of times when they needed 
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became Beyond them to do. 
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field goals at times. 
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touchdowns, they didn't really 
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But again, as you said, you get 
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way to drive down the field and 
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score a two-point conversion and
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make a In overtime to keep 
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I mean, all of those things you 
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as I think several people in the
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this team is obviously not good.
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won or lost, we have to be, we 
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badly they played in these 
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don't think these people are 
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if you look at the way that this
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yes, they're pulling out out 
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deserve credit for that. 
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opposite feeling from what you 
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Now, you see a path to five or 
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down the line, all those teams, 
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Those teams, Lena Michigan 
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They ended up not getting blown 
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didn't play very well and they 
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Very early, you know, produce 
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at Syracuse but, you know, even 
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and Rutgers. 
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out how they've played have 
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And I would feel better about 
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terms of their long-term 
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Then I do about Indiana because 
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difficulty level ratchets up 
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continue to pull these things 
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going to quickly hit a moment 
where they essentially write a 

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check that they can't cash by 
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in the game. 
Correct. 

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And by the way, I still see 
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Like I I'm not saying that I 
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not completely changing my 
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I got it's just it's got its got
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hit his win total for the year. 
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Was it more that I see it? 
I see us getting sick so it's 

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just like where I never saw a 
path before I see a light at the

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We're like maybe this is just 
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they're doing it but they're 
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But your point is about to me 
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So yeah, I still see kind of see
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even though some of those teams 
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taken a step back from what we 
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still a higher class of opponent
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think when the cop Petition 
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get tougher. 
Is I look at this, there was a 

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similar situation in the 
Illinois game, but you have a 

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situation in this game in the 
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Western. 

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Sorry, my kids are just wigging 
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a series. 
I apologize. 

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I'm hearing like, smoke is it? 
It's like, trust me. 

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I'm assuming everything is okay.
Woke up to that in my house this

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morning, I get it, don't worry. 
But you, you have as parents out

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there, you have those noises. 
We Gather is playing having fun 

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and this was like a they're 
either really playing or 

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somebody severed, it are crazy. 
Crimson Crimson cast is the 

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official podcast of people who 
made the questionable decision 

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to have children. 
I'm now making the question from

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the decision to continue podcast
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see what's going on and I hope 
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My wife is up for, but they 
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the kids if they are bleeding, 
would come to the door and knock

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on it or not waffles will come. 
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All right, we got this out. 
If we want to, or we can keep it

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in, but there is a moment in the
second half where Western 

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Kentucky, scores a touchdown. 
They go up 2413. 

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Indiana, immediately has a 
foreplay drive that they are 

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pure three-and-out. 
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And it did feel like that's when
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Indiana and it is it does feel 
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Western Kentucky started making 
a drive like they drove into the

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Red Zone and then we intercept 
you know we had interception it 

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did feel like had they scored on
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That would have been the death 
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can't go back and look at it. 
Now I felt like in Illinois, we 

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had a similar situation where 
we're kind of hanging in this, 

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this kind of danger zone where 
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another score and what's 
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where it's like, all right, this
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line, you know, Western Kentucky
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got to do something. 
It's like our response is a 

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three play Drive where we have 
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incomplete pass. 
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It's like that. 
That's not good enough when the 

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game feels like it's on the line
and then we just start letting 

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Western Kentucky move down. 
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did get interception, I was 
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you know, we need our defense to
make game-changing interceptions

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and they Did. 
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like, do you have to get to the 
absolute edge of the cliff 

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before that happens because a 
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even maybe a lesser Purdue team 
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Michigan State team like 
Michigan State didn't look 

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lifeless against Washington. 
They just looked a little bit 

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outmanned, you know. 
It does feel like they are going

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to when you get to that Cliff's 
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They're going to push you off. 
They're not going to make a 

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mistake and bring you back or 
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And so that It feels like we are
really Flirting With Disaster 

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and a lot of these games, even 
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Going down 10, nothing kind of 
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Lifeless, first half, you know, 
Idaho never really had that 

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ability to put the hammer down 
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so. 
But anyway, so I mean making my 

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point. 
No. 

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I mean, and again, this is where
there's a duality with this IU 

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team. 
That's really hard to get your 

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head wrapped around because on 
the one hand, look, that, that 

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moment you're talking about I 
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towards the end of the third 
quarter, you know, Indiana, they

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go down. 24:13. 
You know, was a good Tai Chi 

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squares with 737 left in the 
third quarter. 

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And, you know, as you said ìyou,
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And then Western Kentucky drives
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They have a first and goal and 
fortunately for IU, they decide 

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to throw the ball for reasons. 
I still can't quite figure out 

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and they throw an interception. 
And from that point, you know, I

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you managed to figure out a way 
to hold content. 

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Western Kentucky 23 total 
points. 

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And then score it was they at 
that point scored what 17 points

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in the last 15 minutes basically
because they end up scoring a 

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touchdown on that drive with 
1451 left in the fourth quarter.

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That was that Josh Henderson run
from 19 yards and so you look at

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that if you're like, wow that is
a level of fight and come back 

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and focus. 
That I you really struggled to 

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show last year and you're like, 
you know, you salute them for 

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being able to do That, and so 
again, it's like you take the 

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micro and you look at that and 
you look at what they did, get 

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any get did against Illinois and
you say, all right, these are 

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opponents with a pulse. 
These are teams that you can 

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look at. 
And you can say, well gosh, it 

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could go either way and I you 
manage to find out a way to win 

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at home. 
In both of them go on. 

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I just gonna say but teach your 
points like so they are kind of 

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lifeless they lock in. 
They have that period where they

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hold Western Kentucky 23, they 
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But then what's really 
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then it's like all right, we 
score the touchdown, we get the 

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two point conversion, we are all
locked in and focused and then 

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we kick the ball out of bounds 
which must be just an Indiana, 

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football, Tang across 
professional and Collegiate 

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levels. 
And then we, let you know, 

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Western Kentucky have a 39, 39 
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They cannot get points or and, 
you know, they miss a field 

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goal, but it was more, I mean, 
maybe some pressure, they missed

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a field goal but it's like they 
kind of dis locked in. 

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It's like when we really now 
we've The nut crunching time. 

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So, to speak is 30 30, we need 
to stop. 

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They don't do that. 
Then like they lock back in on 

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defense and over time and then 
maybe coaching decisions, it's 

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our ball. 
All we got to do is get a field 

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goal and it's like hey we're 
going to have a bad run loss of 

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for we're going to sack loss of 
words, like three horrible play 

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calls that have not worked, most
of the game, but then we lock 

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back in on a green. 
Give it, although it's Charles 

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Campbell for just hitting them. 
Complete manly feel, but it's 

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like, that's the tough part 
where this team is. 

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Like, there's Points worth like,
all right. 

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Now, we're now the trains 
rolling. 

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Now we're humming and then we 
just completely brain fart back 

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again and let him back it. 
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And this is where when you look 
at analytics and you look at the

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way the analytics, look at the 
way the teams play, it's where 

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in an individual game, you could
see certain things happening 

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here and there where it doesn't 
match the total analytics 

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picture that's being drawn, but 
it will eventually catch up with

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you unless You hit another gear 
that you just haven't shown. 

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And I say this like again, you 
know, we like to use the PFF 

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college ratings because there's 
a qualitative and a quantitative

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element to it where they're 
actually watching the games and 

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Grading out the individual 
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And as a team right now at 3 & 
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PFF College out of 131 teams and
you have to go. 

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I think all the way up. 
The only, the next lowest 

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ranked. 
Unbeaten team, believe it or 

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not, is Penn State who's ranked 
70th despite being three, you 

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know? 
And you know, with Penn State 

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there's a there's a pretty clear
reason why they're ranked that 

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low. 
And it's because if you look at 

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the way that their defense has 
performed particularly in the 

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tackling Department, it just 
hasn't, it hasn't been 

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sufficient and with Indiana the 
you know, the clear. 

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Well the problem is, there's not
one clear reason why Indiana 

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hasn't performed to expectations
on the Analytics. 

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It's all over the board you know
it's in the blocking, it's in 

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the tackling it's in special 
teams. 

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You see all of these things 
happening with IU where it's 

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just like man maybe they'll put 
it together here but then they 

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also got to put it together here
and they also got to put it 

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together here and just to be 
clear you know in order to aim 

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is in the same boat in order 
Dame. 

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If you look at the same rankings
is 103rd in overall rating, 

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according to PFF college, with a
difference is Notre. 

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Dame's 1 and 2 and Indiana's. 3 
& 0, so people look at Notre 

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Dame and they're like that teams
got real problems. 

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And I mean, they look like at 
this weekend, they struggled at 

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home against Cal. 
Like, that's not a team, you 

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should be struggling at home 
against under any circumstances 

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if you're Notre Dame and they 
found a way to win that. 

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So bully for them, but they just
haven't looked very good with 

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Indiana, it's harder because 
there are 3 and 0 and you're 

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like, well, they must be doing 
something right, but I don't 

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know if they're actually doing 
something right, Scott, you 

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know, they're doing just enough 
proper to be able to win the 

445
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:22,400
games and I, Worried that we're 
going to get to a point very 

446
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,400
quickly. 
Maybe starting as early as next 

447
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,000
week, where that stops because 
now you're running into 

448
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,600
opponents that are more 
talented, you're running into 

449
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,600
opponents that are playing a lot
better in All Phases of the game

450
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,900
and I have yet to see anything 
through this season so far, that

451
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:42,400
tells me that this IU team is 
going to be able to ratchet it 

452
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,700
up to that level. 
I could be wrong. 

453
00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:48,100
But you know I was a bit 
ambivalent about what was going 

454
00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:50,100
to happen in the in this Western
Kentucky game. 

455
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,500
I'm much less ambivalent about 
what happens in that, Cincinnati

456
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,200
game because Cincinnati's like a
legitimately good team and even 

457
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,300
Nebraska, and this is where I 
think people have got to be 

458
00:23:59,300 --> 00:24:03,500
really cautious. 
Nebraska is obviously one in 

459
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:07,700
three, they got beaten up, 
pretty badly by Oklahoma, but 

460
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:12,000
overall, that Nebraska team is 
actually played fairly well in 

461
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,200
their other games this year, 
they haven't won, they've lost 

462
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,300
by one score, you know, that was
the meme with Scott Frost and 

463
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,600
it's been, you know, in Staying 
to watch them kind of play well.

464
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,600
And then lose in spite of 
themselves Indiana's, almost 

465
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,600
doing the opposite where they're
winning in spite of not playing 

466
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,800
very well. 
I just worry about that being 

467
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,000
able to continue. 
Yeah, I'm making and lets, you 

468
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,200
know if you look at Indiana, I 
know you are making the 

469
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,300
comparison but like, you know, 
Notre Dame is as based on Pro 

470
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:41,200
Football. 
Focus has played the first 

471
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,800
hardest schedule to date so far 
this year. 

472
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,600
Indiana has the 64th which is an
awful but it's also not, you 

473
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,900
know, it's going to get harder. 
It looks like For the remaining 

474
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:55,000
schedule strength of schedule 
Indiana as the third hardest 

475
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,100
remaining strength of schedule 
in the in the country. 

476
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,700
And that's I think that that is 
based on, you know, some games 

477
00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:03,700
that I think. 
We all think we're going to lose

478
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:08,600
like Ohio State, Michigan, Penn 
State, but you're not going to 

479
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,800
get to a top 10 strength of 
schedule with just those three. 

480
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,800
So that does factor in all those
other ones and it gets tougher 

481
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:21,700
to where, you know, again What 
this team, what this team has 

482
00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:24,500
done in every game is kind of 
put itself on the brink of 

483
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:27,000
disaster and then pull it. 
So it's kind of like macgruber. 

484
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:29,000
It's like have a grouper only 
have 10 seconds left. 

485
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,600
It's like, you know, but they've
been able to disarm the bomb 

486
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,000
macgruber MacGyver macgruber. 
No macgruber from SNL. 

487
00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:38,000
Okay, there you go. 
Yes, yes. 

488
00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:40,200
Well MacGyver. 
I still works. 

489
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,200
Honestly. 
It feels like both the Illinois 

490
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,700
and and and the Western Kentucky
games, they had to kind of like 

491
00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:49,200
craft a victory out of you know 
some fishing line. 

492
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:51,700
And some macgruber actually 
dies. 

493
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:55,200
Every time driver works on 
MacGyver might be the best. 

494
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,100
Hopefully, hopefully we do this 
through a MacGyver to macgruber 

495
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:01,100
transition here in the course of
the next week or two. 

496
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:04,400
We have a podcast title. 
There we go. 

497
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,500
Me. 
That is the title of the 

498
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:07,800
podcast. 
No, you're right that it's been 

499
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,900
more MacGyver but you know it's 
going to turn into macgruber 

500
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:16,300
because if you get to disarming 
the bomb it's a lot harder to do

501
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:20,700
that in Lincoln Nebraska with 
six, you know, 60. 80,000 fans 

502
00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:24,300
there and also not having Scott 
Frost also helping you pull 

503
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:27,300
wires and doing things that he 
would be doing on his end. 

504
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:31,500
So it makes me more concerned 
that. 

505
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:34,600
So you know, any way to your 
point, the schedule thing is 

506
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,700
just a real factor and three 
it's tough because they keep 

507
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:42,100
doing it. 
It's funny every season we get 

508
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:44,500
to this point where it's like, 
all right, I feel like I'm a no 

509
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:47,200
more into games. 
It's like I'm always doing that 

510
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,800
throughout this. 
I will know more to get his 

511
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,600
bike. 
It does feel like we're there 

512
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,600
again now because if they just 
get their doors blown off in the

513
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,000
next two Road games, is kind of 
like. 

514
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,900
All right, well that's that's 
what we expected or if we get to

515
00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:01,800
a point where we're down 24:13 
again and then both Cincinnati 

516
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,000
in Nebraska. 
Give us the death blow so to 

517
00:27:04,008 --> 00:27:07,600
speak. 
That would kind of confirm what 

518
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,300
we're talking about. 
It'll be interesting to see if 

519
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:13,000
they get to the edge and then 
they fight back again and are 

520
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,500
able to win one of the next two 
games. 

521
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:17,300
And if they do that, I think, 
then we can say, alright, this 

522
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:20,500
team is going to, you know, 
Maggie Divert its way to maybe 

523
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:24,300
one or two more wins after that 
to, as if to bolster my point 

524
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:26,600
posted just about ten thirty 
minutes ago. 

525
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,300
Bill Connolly, our buddy, from 
ESPN. 

526
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,700
The so you all know about 
postgame win expectancy, where 

527
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:38,600
the computers, look at the 
statistics from the game and try

528
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,700
to figure out who should have 
won this game and that actually 

529
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:43,100
match. 
What happened, who had the 

530
00:27:43,108 --> 00:27:45,700
lowest postgame when expectancy 
in college football this 

531
00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:48,800
weekend? 
It was Indiana Indiana's, post 

532
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:54,000
game winner, Like to see was 11%
in this game, which means 

533
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000
essentially 89 percent of the 
time. 

534
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,100
Western Kentucky wins that game 
and what's interesting tying 

535
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:03,700
into this whole conversation 
that we're having the third 

536
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,600
lowest postgame, when 
expectancy, this week was 

537
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,100
Syracuse, who had only a 20% 
postgame, when expectancy, 

538
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:14,000
against Purdue and, and Bill 
tweeted, something, immediately 

539
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,000
after biggest difference between
winds and second-order wins 

540
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,200
based on Erskine wood expectancy
through three weeks. 

541
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,600
In other words, how many wins 
have you actually collected 

542
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,000
versus? 
How many wins should you have 

543
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,900
collected given? 
The statistics Indiana is plus 

544
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:35,500
one point six in wins so far on 
the season and then you take the

545
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:38,700
rivals that we were just talking
about Purdue is -1.2 and 

546
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:42,700
Nebraska's - point eight so this
is essentially what I'm saying 

547
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:45,900
Indiana I think you can feel 
good about the 3 & 0. 

548
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:48,300
I think you can feel good about 
the fact that they are showing 

549
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:50,300
some fight. 
You can feel good about some of 

550
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:53,600
the individual performances, I 
think I would be very cautious 

551
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,100
if you try to extrapolate, that 
moving forward. 

552
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:59,300
Because every number that we are
used to using, to figure out 

553
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:02,400
college football tells us that 
Indiana has been very, very 

554
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,500
lucky. 
Not very, very good. 

555
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,400
And while you need luck to be 
good, I don't think that luck is

556
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,100
a plan anymore than I think hope
is a plan. 

557
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:14,600
Yeah, and that's what worries me
because, you know, after the 

558
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,000
Illinois game, we talked about. 
Well, look, they clearly 

559
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,700
struggled in Pass blocking they 
have to fix that and they did, 

560
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,600
but they did it at the expense 
of run blocking. 

561
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,300
It looked like in that Idaho 
game. 

562
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,700
You know, we talked at the 
beginning about well, gosh, 

563
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:30,200
they're secondaries got to play 
a bit better that, you know, 

564
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,100
they've got a cover better and 
that has not improved in either 

565
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:36,300
of the two games following that 
Illinois game. 

566
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,400
And look, you guys, this is, 
this is where this job is not 

567
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:43,000
simple where you're like, how do
we talk about this? 

568
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,600
You got to give IU Credit for 
winning the games, but you have 

569
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,500
to look at the underlying things
and say, we're really concerned 

570
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:51,800
about where that Needs if 
there's not some significant 

571
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,100
Improvement in a bunch of 
different areas because I just 

572
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:56,900
don't know that the team is 
going to be able to match up 

573
00:29:56,900 --> 00:30:00,100
long-term. 
You know, I use always been do 

574
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,700
one of those weird Seasons where
everything goes wrong but they 

575
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:05,200
win games regardless. 
So I hope that this continues 

576
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,400
and as we've talked about, 
you've got Nebraska, Maryland, 

577
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,700
Rutgers /. 
Do you think you can throw 

578
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:15,200
Michigan State in as a team that
that's clearly in position to 

579
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,600
regress? 
A bit to the mean, how much we 

580
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,000
don't know. 
But none of Of those games are 

581
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,900
unwinnable on the schedule 
moving forward and even you 

582
00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:26,000
know, even Cincinnati, shouldn't
be viewed as an unwinnable game.

583
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,600
That's a lot of potential wins. 
The big question now becomes. 

584
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,300
Alright with three games left to
go until Bowl eligibility and 

585
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:38,600
essentially what 346 of those 
games remaining on the schedule.

586
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:42,400
Can you win half of them? 
Is that actually, is that within

587
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,300
the possibilities of this 
roster? 

588
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,700
And I just, I don't know, I 
would guess know at this point 

589
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:52,000
and I think Would as well but I 
could see someone arguing to the

590
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,300
contrary because as we've talked
about so much we talked about 

591
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:59,600
this in the preseason. 
So much of this, I you program 

592
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:03,100
is built upon Vibes, you know, 
there was a tweet yesterday, it 

593
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:05,800
was like the Tom Allen. 
I you experience the details are

594
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,000
unimportant which I think people
took it as an insult. 

595
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,300
Really what it was meant as was 
you almost have to not pay 

596
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:15,600
attention to the numbers because
you know in an individual game 

597
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,100
our overall because so much of 
what Indiana seems to thrive on 

598
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,400
On or last year suffer from is 
emotion. 

599
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,100
And you know, belief and this 
idea that if the team if Alan 

600
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:31,700
believes he's going to try to 
speak it into existence and try 

601
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:34,700
to get the team to believe. 
And if the team can believe they

602
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,100
can pull off wins that we don't 
think that they can. 

603
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,900
I just I've yet to see anything 
from an X's and O's perspective 

604
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:45,000
that makes me excited about 
that, but it also is a 

605
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,800
possibility that I think you 
have to hold out there. 

606
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,100
It's you know, Bill Connelly 
stuff is so good. 

607
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,300
I just wish he was with a larger
media operations that, you know,

608
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:56,500
given the website website to put
all this stuff on. 

609
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,000
I wait, no. 
He's with ESPN like this. 

610
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,900
I think I'm seeing the Tweet 
now. 

611
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:02,900
That's great stuff. 
Like, why don't they just post 

612
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,000
all of? 
I'd love to see all of the good 

613
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,800
bad wind probabilities on ESPN, 
like he should have its own, 

614
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,100
it's such a such. 
So weird, is going on there 

615
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:15,300
anyway? 
Yeah, no, it's dude, it's true. 

616
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:19,000
I guess a larger question for 
you, you know? 

617
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:26,200
Is there if I don't know how to 
ask this correctly but you know 

618
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,500
I don't want to start going 
anyway, I'll ask it, I'll just 

619
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:35,300
ask it, you know, what does to 
your point, what does Alan and 

620
00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:38,700
this team need to do to continue
to make this this season of 

621
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:40,000
success. 
So we were kind of talking 

622
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,500
about, you know, 56 wins. 
Like does this change anything? 

623
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,800
Because there's a world where 
you basically could now go, like

624
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,800
1 & 5, yo, one in seven, the 
rest of the way and like, that's

625
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,200
a pretty bad way to finish. 
Year has a 3 and 0 start 

626
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,400
changed. 
I don't say expectations for you

627
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,900
but kind of for everybody, like 
they just lose out for the rest 

628
00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:57,500
of the way. 
Is this still considered like, 

629
00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:59,200
well, that was a fun ride. 
We had a good time. 

630
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,700
The first couple of games, like,
do you think this is changed it?

631
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:04,100
We're now it's like bowl or 
nothing. 

632
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:06,300
For maybe the larger. 
Not just you or me, but kind of 

633
00:33:06,308 --> 00:33:11,100
the larger fan base? 
No, I mean, look, every time you

634
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:13,700
get into a season, you get 
caught up in whatever the moment

635
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:16,100
happens to be. 
And you know what, this is, why 

636
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:18,600
the preseason is so dangerous to
podcast in. 

637
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,800
Because you can't insert 
yourself into moments that don't

638
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,700
exist. 
You can imagine the moments and 

639
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:25,900
then insert yourselves into 
them. 

640
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:28,400
But the by that point you kind 
of ruined the whole exercise. 

641
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,400
And right now, you know, I don't
know that anybody and I you 

642
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,500
fandom is particularly well, 
there's a there's a small Fringe

643
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:39,000
of people who are only just like
excited about the fact that I 

644
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,300
used three and out. 
And that's fine. 

645
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:43,300
You know, I think for for 
everybody else, I think they 

646
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:46,400
look at this and they say, well,
I use 3 and 0 but they're given 

647
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,100
up 24 points a game too. 
No Idaho in Western Kentucky, 

648
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,500
not the cream of the crop in 
college football. 

649
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:58,100
I look at it and I say okay the 
offense has been competent 

650
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,200
enough. 
They've scored 23 35 and 33 

651
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,300
points and that was the thing 
that I was somewhat concerned 

652
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:05,900
about even you know in this 
Western Kentucky game in 

653
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:09,300
particular are they going to be 
able to score enough points to 

654
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:13,000
do what they need to do to win 
that game? 

655
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,400
And I give them credit for doing
that but to me the big issue 

656
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,100
right now is the defense and the
defense has Graded out pretty 

657
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:25,400
poorly over the course of this, 
you know, first three games that

658
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,600
they played that really does 
concern me if you rank. 

659
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,300
All of the defense has on on PFF
College, you know, right now 

660
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:36,100
Indiana's, what ranked 100th 
that is not good enough and 

661
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:39,199
that, I guess what? 
Concerns me even more is Tom 

662
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,900
Allen taking over as the 
defensive coordinator, was 

663
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,800
supposed to fix a lot of the 
problems that Indiana's defense 

664
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,100
had last year and I don't know 
that it's necessarily. 

665
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,000
Done that. 
Now it's early, you know, so you

666
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,900
have to some degree, give Alan a
little bit more time to work his

667
00:34:56,900 --> 00:35:02,000
magic but I mean last year, 
despite having not a very good 

668
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,200
season whatsoever Indiana's 
defense on this the whole 

669
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:11,500
ranked, I think 71st in the 
country and to rank 100 through 

670
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:14,600
three games against pretty 
questionable competition that 

671
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,000
really does concern me quite a 
bit. 

672
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,900
You know, the certainly I used 
Defense, had some bad games last

673
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:22,200
year. 
Iowa was a bad game. 

674
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,100
Ohio state was a bad game. 
The Minnesota game at home, was 

675
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:27,200
a bad game, but they also had 
games where they essentially 

676
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,200
kept, I you in it and it was the
ineptness of the offense that 

677
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:35,100
kept, I you from capitalizing. 
I really worry that this defense

678
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:38,900
is actually pretty poor as a 
scheme as a collection of 

679
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:40,200
players. 
They've got great individual 

680
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,700
players. 
Cam Jones has had a tremendous 

681
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:46,800
start to the season, you know, I
think that you got to tip your 

682
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,600
hat to, you know, some of the 
Very members making individual 

683
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,200
plays like that interception. 
We saw yesterday from from NOAA 

684
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,700
Pierre. 
There's been individual moments 

685
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:58,100
like that. 
Obviously, Bassam McCullough's 

686
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:02,100
had a few good moments as well, 
but collectively, this defense 

687
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:04,200
does not look like they're on 
the same page. 

688
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,600
And I guess what worries me is, 
I don't know that. 

689
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,000
That's something that you can 
fix. 

690
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,700
Once you get past week three, 
because you're not gonna have 

691
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:14,700
enough time. 
Now, you got a, you have two 

692
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:17,200
games on the road, followed by 
Michigan at home. 

693
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,400
That's a really rough. 
Stretch to try to put your 

694
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,900
defense together and get them 
playing at the level that I used

695
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:25,800
to play at. 
I think, you know, I use defense

696
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,200
has got to they've got, you 
asked me to answer your 

697
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,100
question. 
They've got to get to a point 

698
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:33,500
where they can start winning 
quarters in winning games by 

699
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:35,600
themselves. 
And what we saw in that Western 

700
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,600
Kentucky game, ain't it? 
Like that's that's just not 

701
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,800
going to get the job done long 
term. 

702
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:42,900
I will say I know we talked 
about a little bit Tucson. 

703
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:46,900
McCullough is he's amazing. 
The trouble is you saw Western 

704
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,000
Kentucky, start doing this. 
I think you're going to see more

705
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,400
More of this. 
They would just basically key 

706
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,200
where he was on the field and 
just play the other way or run a

707
00:36:55,207 --> 00:36:57,300
bubble screen that kind of went 
over his head. 

708
00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:00,100
They would basically take him 
out of the game by, it's a coma 

709
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:01,400
calls. 
On the left side, will go right 

710
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,400
side or or is it Go bubble 
screen over him by two yards? 

711
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,800
He's out of the play. 
And, you know, they, I think 

712
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,100
you're going to see more and 
more of that. 

713
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,800
And so it's going to be other 
guys who have to step up. 

714
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:18,000
Hey, I agree with you and it's I
I think to me it's the same 

715
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:20,200
setup. 
Where we're at you know 3 and 0 

716
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,000
is a very good start but I still
look at the season as you know 

717
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,700
if you want to get to a point 
like I said to me a successful 

718
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:30,000
year this year is I think it's 
still a really tough bar to get 

719
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,700
to, I'd love to go into that 
Purdue game with five wins, make

720
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:37,400
that Purdue game or something. 
And I think to get there, you 

721
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,200
got to win one of the next to 
look. 

722
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,200
You just have to figure out one 
of these Road games. 

723
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,700
These are the two, probably, two
of the last three, easiest Road 

724
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:47,600
games, you're going to have this
season. 

725
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:52,400
You can get one of those too, 
you know, Michigan's L will 

726
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:55,700
count Michigan's the loss. 
You then have the Maryland and 

727
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:58,800
at Rutgers game to me it's like 
you can't go into that game. 

728
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,300
Three and three that Maryland 
game and need basically both of 

729
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:06,600
those wins to get 25, you know, 
it's a tough to ask this team to

730
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,500
do this two weeks in a row, in a
Big Ten schedule with one on the

731
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,400
road. 
If you can go into that game, 

732
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,600
four and two. 
And now it's like, we just need 

733
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,100
one of the next to I think 
that's doable. 

734
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:17,900
Because then I do think Penn 
State, Ohio State, Michigan 

735
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:18,900
State. 
That's a three-week high. 

736
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:22,300
Hiatus will to take that off and
we get to the Purdue game like I

737
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:26,000
look at that as I anyway that's 
how I look at this season that I

738
00:38:26,008 --> 00:38:27,500
still think. 
Like I said that's to the 

739
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:29,100
beginning part. 
That's where you get to there's 

740
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,800
a path but I think you got to 
find a way to win one of the 

741
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,300
next to because I think going 
into Maryland three and three is

742
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:37,900
just that's a recipe for 
probably going to the Purdue 

743
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:40,500
game with maybe Four Winds. 
Yeah. 

744
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,400
Well yeah, it's going to be 
interesting. 

745
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,600
And look, I think any everything
still on the table for this 

746
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,200
Indiana team. 
I think that they, they Done to 

747
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,100
some degree, the bare, minimum 
of what they needed to do, if 

748
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:57,500
they wanted to get to a bowl and
they, you know, they won the 

749
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,800
first three, they had to win all
three as we talked about before.

750
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,700
They weren't going to have a 
good season if they lost one of 

751
00:39:03,707 --> 00:39:06,000
these three. 
But a Bad season is not off the 

752
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,200
cards yet. 
And so they get credit for that.

753
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,100
And I'm happy that the three, 
you know, and I'm looking 

754
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:14,200
forward to seeing what they can 
do beyond that. 

755
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,300
I would just be concerned about 
the underlying signs that we're 

756
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:20,700
seeing up to this point. 
So, As you mentioned, Indiana 

757
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,900
going to be taking on Cincinnati
on the road next week. 

758
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,200
And, you know, Cincinnati 
struggled a little bit at Miami 

759
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,000
of Ohio, but I do worry because 
I you, you know, on the road 

760
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,500
that's not a great proposition 
normally for this, I you 

761
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:36,900
program. 
So it will be fascinating to see

762
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:39,200
what they do going into that 
contest. 

763
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,100
We will talk more later in the 
week. 

764
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,600
We've got some podcasts 
scheduled to talk about that IU 

765
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,600
game. 
At Cincinnati. 

766
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,800
Should be an interesting one to 
say the least anyway. 

767
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:49,600
Any final, thoughts on. 
Game. 

768
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,900
We've got a couple other things.
We want to get to before we wrap

769
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:54,100
up, but anything else from the 
game that you wanted to touch on

770
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,800
Scott. 
Know I talked about it a bit but

771
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,500
just the last three play, the 
three plays that we picked for 

772
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:03,100
over time. 
We're just, those were awful. 

773
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,200
Yeah, it just it needs needs to 
be mentioned again. 

774
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,100
Like that is just that was 
shades of, you know, Nick 

775
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:13,000
Sheridan offense and I think I 
treated some point you had these

776
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,400
moments during the game where 
it's like are there still pages 

777
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:18,400
of his offense floating around 
in here like just these wild 

778
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,200
offensive? 
Calls that don't make any sense.

779
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,400
And I would just say this, the 
other thing too, is it, you 

780
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,800
know, you've mentioned this a 
couple times like, you know, we 

781
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,800
just don't have the ability or 
the, you know, the latitude to 

782
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,300
make minor mental mistakes. 
I will also say that this team, 

783
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:38,200
just it's a tough place to be 
when you're Indiana, but it's 

784
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,100
the truth. 
You really don't have the luxury

785
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,700
of being conservative on a lot 
of these calls. 

786
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:45,600
Like, when you get in the Red 
Zone, you can't just start like 

787
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,300
well we're just gonna, you know,
do it. 

788
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:48,900
Do it inside run and it's like, 
wow. 

789
00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:51,200
We knew we were going to kick 
any way that you cannot have 

790
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,300
that mentality. 
Like, you have to, and I know 

791
00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:55,700
it's hard and it's not easy 
getting in there, but you've got

792
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:57,300
to start getting seven points 
and stuff. 

793
00:40:57,300 --> 00:40:58,700
Because basically, you got to 
start running you. 

794
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:01,600
This TV Scott to run those, you 
know, passing game gets very 

795
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,900
tough, but you've got to devise 
other ways to run your offense 

796
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:08,300
to get that. 
And it does feel like, sometimes

797
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:12,100
we play the conservative or kind
of the standard football, where 

798
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:14,400
it's, I got we're here, we're 
just going to, you know, now 

799
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,300
we're in the Red Zone. 
We know we have three points and

800
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:18,300
like, let's just, you know, be 
safe and get our three, it's a 

801
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:20,000
key. 
You don't have that luxury at 

802
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,900
Indiana. 
You can't do that. 

803
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,300
And that's the frustrating part.
That was the over time. 

804
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:26,900
It felt like those were very 
conservative play calls and 

805
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,700
there's a line there where you 
can't be wild aggressive and 

806
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:33,200
just throwing, you know. 
But that's a line that I feel 

807
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,800
like they've got to figure that 
out better. 

808
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,900
Because right now, it does feel 
like they're a little bit too 

809
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:40,100
much on that conservative side 
and it it ends up killing you. 

810
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,300
When you get in the red zone, 
four times and you get three 

811
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:44,700
field goals out of it, that's 
just not good enough in Indiana.

812
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,800
Well, it was good enough on this
day and I know, But you're 

813
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,200
right, you know? 
And I dunno, I will say congrats

814
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,200
to Charles Campbell for not 
making kick will not. 

815
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,100
And not just that mean that kick
was, was certainly awesome to 

816
00:41:58,100 --> 00:41:59,500
see. 
And, you know, we've certainly, 

817
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:01,900
we've seen Indiana missed field 
goals that would tie or win 

818
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:04,400
games. 
But to go for four and, you 

819
00:42:04,408 --> 00:42:09,500
know, in a, in a game where his 
team had to rely on him, to kick

820
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,100
the ball, effectively, he was 
able to do it. 

821
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:15,000
And, you know, congrats to him 
in the punting game. 

822
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,100
James Evans had a pretty good 
game, 44 yards per attempt, 

823
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:20,400
Indiana, Guys, stop kicking the 
ball out of bounds. 

824
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,800
You know, that's one of those 
little detail items that that 

825
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,500
really almost ruined the game 
for them. 

826
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,400
You know, that stuff like that. 
That's just got to stop. 

827
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,000
But overall, even even in the, 
the play calling Department, 

828
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:35,900
it's very hot and cold. 
I like, I like what Walt Bell is

829
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:38,900
kind of trying to do in certain 
cases, but then there were also 

830
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:42,300
plays that lateral whether that 
was actually a lateral. 

831
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:44,800
Not, it was close enough. 
That that like there was no 

832
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,200
reason for that play to be 
called their most of the 

833
00:42:47,207 --> 00:42:49,900
two-point conversion plays that 
they've This season had been 

834
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,300
real bad. 
There are parts of the field 

835
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,900
where they really do struggle 
with the what they're doing on 

836
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:58,100
play calling. 
But there's also parts of the 

837
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:00,300
game where they're moving the 
ball pretty well. 

838
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,900
And so it's I think the jury is 
still out but I do think Bell so

839
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:10,100
far has represented a net gain 
offensively in terms of what 

840
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:12,700
this team was doing last year 
because the team we may not like

841
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:15,300
the plan but they list. 
The at least look like they have

842
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,900
a plan out there right now and 
that really was not the case. 

843
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000
Case for most of the season last
year under Nick, Sheridan. 

844
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,200
So anyway, we a couple of the 
things we want to talk about 

845
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,100
first. 
Let's, I guess let's talk about 

846
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:30,800
the. 
I don't know if this is a bad 

847
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,300
topic but it's certainly a 
topic. 

848
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:35,000
They got a lot of attention on 
social media yesterday, which 

849
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,400
was Michael penix jr. 
Going on national television and

850
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,600
leading a pretty impressive 
crushing of the Michigan State 

851
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,000
Spartans. 
You know, 3928 was the score in 

852
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:53,400
that game, penix, 30 or SKU. 
24:43, 197 yards, 4 touchdowns, 

853
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:57,400
it was the Michael penix that we
knew and loved and missed 

854
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,400
terribly. 
I mean, just throwing lasers all

855
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,400
over the field and, you know, 
really just dictating the 

856
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,300
offense. 
It was, it was really impressive

857
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:09,100
to watch him doing that. 
And, you know, did almost all of

858
00:44:09,107 --> 00:44:11,100
his work in the first three 
quarters of play. 

859
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:17,500
I mean, this is a tough one 
because you look at that and you

860
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:21,300
you could say Gosh, I'm so happy
for for Michael penix, jr. 

861
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:25,000
And I am I'm glad that he's in a
position where he's able to to 

862
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,400
play effectively and he's got 
targets to throw to and he's got

863
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,300
time in the pocket and it's but 
it's also like it's just weird. 

864
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:37,800
It's like that guy was on the 
roster for four years he 

865
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,100
transfers and it really felt 
like nobody made that big of a 

866
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:44,200
deal of him transferring last 
year. 

867
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,300
It was just like oh Michael 
penix is leaving and there 

868
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:49,800
wasn't a lot written. 
I mean Mentioned, but it was 

869
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,300
just kind of like this Fay 
accompli, that penix was not 

870
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:55,400
going to be on the roster 
anymore and then he transfers to

871
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,400
Washington and I was like, oh 
that's a nice story. 

872
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,800
He's reunited with Calum Deboer 
and Nick Sheridan but you know a

873
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,600
lot of it for me and even when 
we heard that he had been named 

874
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,700
starter at Washington, it's like
well that's great for them but I

875
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:10,900
really worry about you know is 
he going to look like he looked 

876
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:15,100
last year and about he looks 
like he looked at the beginning 

877
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:18,800
of the 2020 season like he's got
this command of the field that 

878
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:22,100
Is so rare in that made him such
a compelling figure, just a lot 

879
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:23,800
of kind of mixed up emotions 
there. 

880
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,900
Scott because it's one thing to 
lose a player who's just not 

881
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:31,200
able to do it anymore. 
It's another to lose a player at

882
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,000
that level of importance of a 
position who like goes out and 

883
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:38,200
has that kind of a game, had a 
great game in his first game. 

884
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:41,000
Just, just a hard thing to get 
your head wrapped around, is an 

885
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,700
IU fan. 
Yeah, this is something we have 

886
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:45,800
experience in basketball. 
So, you know, a lot like, you 

887
00:45:45,808 --> 00:45:48,500
know, Maurice Creek leaves. 
And then he has like a nice run 

888
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:51,500
in the tournament. 
I meant, you know, you see it 

889
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:54,000
happen in basketball, where it 
feels like a lot of guys that we

890
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,200
leave and of having a nice run 
in, the NCAA tournament were 

891
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,500
sitting at home, we even had it 
with a K Samson. 

892
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:01,700
Now, Houston the coaching it is,
there's definitely, there was 

893
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:04,600
definitely a Bizarro Indiana 
feel where it's like, oh, it's 

894
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:07,900
our old coach and our 
quarterbacks, like, how much 

895
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:11,400
like are they gonna have like, 
you know, is Hope it'll paralyze

896
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:12,800
they have. 
Watch this stuff to come feel 

897
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,600
apparel doing. 
You old gear there too. 

898
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,900
And like, do they have you know 
how much I used stuff? 

899
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:20,300
Do they have a, there was a A 
weird part where it's like maybe

900
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:23,100
that could have been Us in an 
alternate universe. 

901
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,100
This is also I mentioned this at
the time when you know, the 

902
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,400
board left and everybody's like,
oh this is awful. 

903
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,200
It's like no. 
This is building the coaching 

904
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:35,000
tree it, it's kind of nice. 
Having again happy with Alan 

905
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,000
were three and oh it's great. 
It is nice. 

906
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,500
Having a younger hot coach out 
there who has rely you ties 

907
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:45,100
that. 
If things go bad we have a break

908
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:48,000
in, you know, break glass in 
case of emergency, when normally

909
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:51,400
there's Coaches out there doing 
anything that of neiu ties were 

910
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,800
always like the closest. 
I you tie is like, oh, Kevin 

911
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,000
Wilson once Flew Over Indiana. 
So, like bring it in, buddy. 

912
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:59,700
It there's definitely a Bizarro 
few to it. 

913
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:03,600
I will say, I think this is one 
of this is where I kind of hate 

914
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,100
the coaching tree thing. 
Like the whole concept of a 

915
00:47:07,107 --> 00:47:10,500
coaching tree because Kalin 
Deboer has no ties to Tom Allen,

916
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:15,700
other than Tom Allen hired him 
for one year to be the offensive

917
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:18,000
coordinator. 
He wasn't even here a full 12 

918
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,600
months. 
And did great work here 

919
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,700
obviously at IU. 
And I think maybe for the first 

920
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:29,600
time in a long time, relatively 
speaking, put in an offense that

921
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,100
wasn't just gimmicky but also 
worked, you know, I think that 

922
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:35,700
Kevin Wilson had some great 
offensive ideas but they felt 

923
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:38,000
like a lot of gimmicky stuff 
there to cover for a lack of 

924
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,300
personnel but then he leaves and
it's like do you really get to 

925
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:44,200
count kahlan Devore is part of 
the Tom Allen coaching tree like

926
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,900
shouldn't there be more DNA at 
that point. 

927
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,800
Like I make Sheridan I think is 
definitely. 

928
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:52,500
Bentley part of the Tom Allen 
coaching tree came Wommack is 

929
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:54,800
part of the coaching tree 
because it's like, he cultivated

930
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,300
them to some degree as coaches 
and then they go off and do 

931
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:01,100
things but your I get your point
I just I've always enjoyed. 

932
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:06,200
It's like, it's like when people
talk about like when you get in 

933
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,700
the college basketball, coaching
and a guys on the bench for one 

934
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:11,300
year's like always part of the 
part of the, you know, the the 

935
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:14,200
Mike Davis coaching true is, if 
that's not really how it works, 

936
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,400
but we're shouldn't be at least,
but anyway, go ahead. 

937
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,700
Well, to be fair. 
This is the closest thing. 

938
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:21,100
We have to a coaching tree, 
true, gotta take it. 

939
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:23,400
I would also say along those 
lines, I think it's always 

940
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,900
bugged me is like, so we love 
Kalyn devorah's offense here, 

941
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:30,100
when he was offensive 
coordinator. 

942
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:33,100
Now, he's head coach, and 
they're doing great. 

943
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:36,500
And his hand prints are all over
this, but, like, their offense 

944
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:39,000
of coordinators. 
Ryan gum, shouldn't it be or 

945
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,900
grub, shouldn't it be their 
offensive coordinator? 

946
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:43,000
Or his head coach? 
Like, because then, then using 

947
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,100
that same logic. 
If he's doing such a great job, 

948
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:47,400
as Washington head coach, 
shouldn't it be Tom? 

949
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,900
Allen was the head coach and he 
like It's like guys can just you

950
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:52,500
can kind of pick and choose like
when the offense is good. 

951
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:54,900
It's the coordinator or is the 
head coach depending on who you 

952
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:56,300
want to be anyway. 
Yeah. 

953
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:58,000
Back-to-back two paddocks. 
Yes. 

954
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:04,300
I know at the time that he left 
and I stand by this it, I set it

955
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:06,000
on this pot. 
It definitely felt like it was 

956
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,900
the best thing for both parties.
It felt like his time here had 

957
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:11,500
run run out that like for 
whatever. 

958
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,500
Now it's like why were we tired?
Appendix but it's like, it had, 

959
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:16,500
it had been, you know, I feel 
like it was best for the 

960
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:18,700
University to move on fields, 
best for him to death. 

961
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:21,600
Be best for him to move on. 
Like he had had a good ten year 

962
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,900
here. 
Was unable to stay healthy and 

963
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:26,900
it did feel like this is the 
right move but I also did kind 

964
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:30,400
of feel like it was weird. 
You know, this is 60% of what 

965
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,900
penix is ever going to be and 
seeing him at like 90, 95 

966
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:36,400
percent Health. 
It does just bring you these 

967
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,400
questions. 
And again, I still stand by the.

968
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:40,500
That was the best move for 
everybody. 

969
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:44,700
And you know, you pointed out on
Twitter a couple times like this

970
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:47,400
is also seeing penix behind a 
functional offensive line. 

971
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,900
Be able to do things that Not 
like you just plug him in to I 

972
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:54,100
you right now and it's like, oh,
he's throwing for 390 yards and 

973
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:57,000
four touchdowns like, he's 
probably having a, you know, 

974
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,500
sternums training and getting 
sacked, but it does make you 

975
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:06,800
wonder going into last season. 
We knew very early on penix, 

976
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,800
didn't look right. 
But the whole talk was Alan is 

977
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,600
bahat. 
This is he is behind, the whole 

978
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,800
narrative. 
Is he's behind his guy, like you

979
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,700
can't just bench. 
The start of he has faith in his

980
00:50:16,700 --> 00:50:19,200
guy penix to the point they 
played him probably Lee two or 

981
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,900
three weeks more and I remember 
like Zach, Osterman talking 

982
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:24,200
about it on his podcast like, 
you know, but this is what you'd

983
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,400
you can't just pull a leader 
like, you know, Alan is behind 

984
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,900
him. 
You got to do that. 

985
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,200
And then by the end of the year,
if I got we gotta go, we gotta 

986
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,100
move on. 
It's like, we're going to move 

987
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:35,800
on to a, I don't know. 
Like maybe Tuttle, maybe a 

988
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,100
transfer. 
Like we're going to move on to 

989
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:40,800
basically the great unknown and 
it does make you wonder like did

990
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,500
where was the trust? 
Like how did you go from a point

991
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:47,400
where it's like, you trust him 
and then it also does it does? 

992
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:48,500
Beg this question? 
I don't know. 

993
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:51,600
The on the, the medical staff 
but it's like you do in the MBA 

994
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,300
have like Phoenix has this 
medical staff at, just everybody

995
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,200
seems to be healthy that he had 
programs like New Orleans were, 

996
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,300
it's, like everyone always seems
to be hurt. 

997
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:04,500
It does make you wonder, you 
know, what's going on here that?

998
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:06,600
Like he got to wash and maybe 
just got better. 

999
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,700
Maybe he just needed a whole 
year off, like there's a lot of 

1000
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:12,400
things and that's that they may 
not be connected, but it is just

1001
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:17,500
it's it's, it is tough to see 
that said, I'm rooting for him. 

1002
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:19,000
I hope he does great. 
Great. 

1003
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,700
I hope he has a great season and
in the end, I don't think that 

1004
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:25,500
this great season would have 
happened at Indiana. 

1005
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:29,100
So to him like more power to him
and go do great things. 

1006
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:32,000
Man it does. 
I will say, the big thing that I

1007
00:51:32,008 --> 00:51:36,400
took from it from watching him 
play yesterday was how confident

1008
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,600
he looked in the pocket. 
How confident he looked in his 

1009
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,300
throws. 
And that was not present last 

1010
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:43,800
year. 
And I think if you look at last 

1011
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,000
year, the Iowa game, the Western
Kentucky game, the I mean any of

1012
00:51:47,008 --> 00:51:48,500
those games at the start of the 
season. 

1013
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:52,000
Cincinnati was probably the 
biggest example example of this 

1014
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,900
where he he looked very 
unsettled. 

1015
00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:58,900
He looked like he didn't trust 
his leg and he looked like he 

1016
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:01,500
didn't trust his blocking, both 
of those were reasonable. 

1017
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:03,600
And I think it's important to 
remember, you know, he got 

1018
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:09,700
injured in 2020 in what 
mid-november and it that was 

1019
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:13,800
probably a an injury. 
He needed a full year to come 

1020
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,000
back from and didn't get it. 
They put him out there and look,

1021
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,700
I'm not blaming. 
Anybody for this, I just it's 

1022
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:23,000
unfortunate the way it worked 
out, you do wonder about a 

1023
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,000
scenario where they just say 
look, Mike. 

1024
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,500
You need a year off to recoup 
and put yourself in a position 

1025
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:33,300
where you're physically healthy 
now, would that have fixed his 

1026
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:35,600
confidence in his leg? 
Maybe would have to fix the 

1027
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:36,900
offensive line. 
No. 

1028
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,300
And that's the big issue is like
watching him Thrive behind the 

1029
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:44,500
line that he, he looks like he 
trusts is such a huge 

1030
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:46,300
difference. 
Go back and watch the Cincinnati

1031
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:47,800
game, go back and watch the Iowa
game. 

1032
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,100
He's so ten of all the the time 
and it's causing him to sail his

1033
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:52,300
passes. 
And that's the real 

1034
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:57,300
disappointment in all of this is
to me, you know, I think you're 

1035
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:58,800
right. 
And a lot of people who jumped 

1036
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,800
in, its thought I was being 
critical, we're ripe, I wasn't 

1037
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,600
being critical. 
But the idea that this was 

1038
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,500
probably a parting that had to 
work for all parties, it was the

1039
00:53:08,508 --> 00:53:12,800
best thing but I also think, you
know, if it goes back to what 

1040
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:19,900
you were just saying, Alan let 
Peyton Ramsey transfer who was 

1041
00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:22,900
healthy and kept penix who had a
history by. 

1042
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:25,500
That point already of multiple 
injuries that had knocked him 

1043
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:28,300
out of Seasons. 
It's it's this weird thing where

1044
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:32,600
it's like I it's just it's 
fascinating and you know, it's 

1045
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,800
it because it's like, okay, we 
need to have the separation and 

1046
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,200
we need to go a different way. 
Need to go a different way, but 

1047
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,200
it does make you wonder to some 
degree. 

1048
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:43,500
If that process is thought of a 
little bit differently and 

1049
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:45,500
they're like all right Mike 
wasn't right? 

1050
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:47,800
We had you know, you got shut 
down with another injury but 

1051
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,900
let's give him some time and is 
it even a situation where he's 

1052
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:52,800
looking at it? 
And saying, I just don't want to

1053
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:58,200
be in that environment where I 
am concerned about my health 

1054
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,900
because of what is around me 
versus what I might get 

1055
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:04,800
transferring to a different 
power 5 school. 

1056
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,200
So I don't know. 
And I don't think last thing on 

1057
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,600
this, I don't think there's 
nothing indictable there 

1058
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,900
necessarily in terms of like, 
I'm not blaming anybody for it, 

1059
00:54:13,908 --> 00:54:17,700
but I do You think as you go 
through the process of thinking 

1060
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:22,200
about where I you is at right 
now, it's just it's hard to 

1061
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,000
watch panics having this kind of
success elsewhere and not think 

1062
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:29,300
what else could have been done 
to put a better structure around

1063
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:31,200
so that he could be having that 
season here? 

1064
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,100
Because he's got another year of
Eligibility left after this 

1065
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:37,100
which I think is the fascinating
thing to think about it's like 

1066
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,600
it's not just like what you lose
him for a season anyway go on. 

1067
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,200
No. 
It's that said I hadn't even 

1068
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,800
honestly fully rabbi Around that
that's a good points. 

1069
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,000
I could two more years of this 
know, the last two things I will

1070
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,200
say is, you know, there is a 
world that you you can't do this

1071
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,400
but it's like, if you knew we 
were going to go to and 10 next 

1072
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,700
year, which again going into 
last year you and I are driving 

1073
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:01,000
to Iowa, I think we're gonna 
win. 

1074
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,900
Like there was very high 
expectations. 

1075
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:05,100
It's like if you just knew like,
Hey, we're going to and 10. 

1076
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:07,300
There's a world where it's like,
okay ship. 

1077
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:10,400
But like we know we're going to 
go 2 and 10, you can shelve 

1078
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,600
penix for the year and then we 
can come back and have this 

1079
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,100
penix in 20:22. 
I'd be like, okay, like I might 

1080
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:19,500
have taken that gamble because 
I've gone through a lot of bad 

1081
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:20,700
years. 
It would have been easy being 

1082
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:24,500
like, I'm gonna take panics, but
I do think this is where I, I 

1083
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:27,500
also need to remember this as 
well, and definitely some fans 

1084
00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:30,300
who are older than us, need to 
get this coasting stuff on 

1085
00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:31,300
Twitter. 
Like, you know, how could you 

1086
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:32,600
let him go? 
And like, why would I you, you 

1087
00:55:32,607 --> 00:55:35,600
not want a guy like this. 
Like, we are in a world now 

1088
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,800
we're like the players, get a 
vote to and you have to like, I 

1089
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,900
never look at what Paul George 
does. 

1090
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:44,300
When the Clippers taken to the 
NBA for a second, be like damn. 

1091
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:46,300
I would have loved to see him on
the Pacers because you know 

1092
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:50,100
what, he didn't want to be here 
and like he left and there's no 

1093
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:52,800
world where Paul George is. 
Like, I can't wait to live the 

1094
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,000
rest of my life. 
He wanted to play in l.a. like 

1095
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,700
he made that very clear and I'm 
not saying I know anything here,

1096
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:01,700
but we do have to remember the 
players now have a decision. 

1097
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:04,200
This is a two-way decision, 
headaches might have looked at 

1098
00:56:04,207 --> 00:56:07,400
the offense like we did saying 
hey Stevie Scott's gone. 

1099
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:10,300
All the receivers are gone. 
Like this is not a awesome 

1100
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:12,600
situation to come at like the oh
whines been garbage. 

1101
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,300
The coach is still here but just
look at the skill. 

1102
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:15,800
Positions. 
We're returning. 

1103
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,900
No, running backs. 
No wide receivers. 

1104
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:21,100
I don't want to redo all this. 
Like I want to go somewhere. 

1105
00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:23,200
There's better players and it's 
very possible. 

1106
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,700
There is no world where penix 
lips is this and says I want us 

1107
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:29,100
to know, man, n IL dollars keeps
him here. 

1108
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,400
Like I do think people have to 
remember, this is also his 

1109
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,500
decision. 
He's able to just get and leave 

1110
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:37,900
like 15. 
You know, ten fifty years ago, 

1111
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,200
players were not able to do the 
same thing like they have agency

1112
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,400
and you know again the NBA is 
the Perfect Analogy. 

1113
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:46,100
There's nobody in Cleveland 
being like, man. 

1114
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:48,400
I wish LeBron would have done 
this like what you know in l.a. 

1115
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,800
would have brought, you know, 
Brian. 

1116
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,000
See Davis like there's no world 
where LeBron was staying in 

1117
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,400
Cleveland after he won like he 
wanted to go to La. 

1118
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:56,600
Anthony Davis. 
Wanted to go there like NBA 

1119
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,200
teams. 
Don't do this and I do think 

1120
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,500
this is it is a little bit 
different but you have to I 

1121
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:03,700
really think penix look to this 
is like I don't I don't want to 

1122
00:57:03,707 --> 00:57:06,300
be here like this is not an 
offense, I want a captain no 

1123
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:10,000
clearly and and again it's I 
just it's hard not to talk about

1124
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,300
it when you're whining and 
dismantle a Big Ten opponent on 

1125
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:15,800
National Television. 
And that's the thing I know. 

1126
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,600
And so look, I know this is not 
a going to be consistent point 

1127
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,600
and I wish him. 
I hope he'll be wins the Heisman

1128
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,600
Trophy this year next year they 
could be amazing. 

1129
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:25,500
It's just a shock that it on 
Crimson cash. 

1130
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:27,800
He was a 10,000 to one. 
Yeah or something. 

1131
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,000
He was he was listed. 
You could have had 10 bucks and 

1132
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:34,300
if he wins the Heisman it's 
somebody made that bet you know,

1133
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,000
bias and home field gear, 
please. 

1134
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:39,800
So, let's wrap up, we've got a 
little bit of time left 

1135
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:43,100
tailgate. 
You had your first one in stock.

1136
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:44,900
We had their new sections A 
talk. 

1137
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:46,900
Okay tailgate talk. 
So so hit me with it. 

1138
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:50,200
What, what was your experience? 
I love. 

1139
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,700
I love your talk on tailgates. 
By the way, I'm going to find 

1140
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:55,700
the audio of you talking about 
two beats on a black stone 

1141
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:56,600
Grill. 
We're going to make that an 

1142
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,600
audio drop just great galen's to
meet talk. 

1143
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,600
Maybe you do a whole podcast 
just scaling on to meet, you 

1144
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,600
know, I will say I love my wife,
she gave me a c-plus. 

1145
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:08,700
I couldn't get to a bi-level. 
She gave me a C+. 

1146
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:10,900
She said that. 
I had good preparation, but not 

1147
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:13,400
ideal execution. 
Well, we're good. 

1148
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,300
I forgot a couple things. 
Things along the way as want it 

1149
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:18,600
to happen. 
Forgot to cook the biscuits the 

1150
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,000
night before, that's the 
trouble. 

1151
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,200
So I did it in the morning, 
they're a little bit undercooked

1152
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:25,900
or kind of hustling around. 
I, you know, in my defense I 

1153
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:28,900
also have a 9 and a 6 year old. 
I'm also trying to pack for them

1154
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,000
to be entertained during the 
tailgate and during the game. 

1155
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:35,600
But overall we had a blast, we 
had a really good time. 

1156
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,600
Got their little wife, woke up a
little bit late, but I still 

1157
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,300
love her, but we ran a little 
bit later than we wanted, but we

1158
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:44,900
got there, you know, set up by 
9:45, ish, going by Ten had a 

1159
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:47,800
couple people stop by and say hi
and I really appreciate it. 

1160
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,900
But yeah, that you know, the I 
forgot tongs. 

1161
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:56,100
So I made a little gripper out 
of aluminum foil, thank you for 

1162
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:57,700
bringing the EOP, aluminum foil 
call. 

1163
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:00,500
I also forgot a table. 
Yeah, I'm getting a list 

1164
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:02,900
together, dude, first time. 
But the kids had an absolute 

1165
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:04,300
blast. 
They were talking on the 

1166
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:06,000
sidewalk. 
I brought sidewalk chalk for 

1167
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,000
them. 
That was a big win. 

1168
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,000
I thought on on my part. 
So yeah, the the little 

1169
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,800
sandwiches were okay. 
We have some ideas for You know,

1170
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,900
we're thinking of doing like a, 
an egg casserole that will kind 

1171
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:23,300
of cut up, and then maybe put 
that on other sandwiches, you 

1172
00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:24,500
know? 
So we're coming up with some 

1173
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:26,800
other ideas for the next 
breakfast, and maybe doing like 

1174
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,400
a little like breakfast, sliders
like Hawaiian rolls with some 

1175
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,500
eggs and some sausage, I bought 
the wrong kind of sausage that 

1176
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:34,200
ended up being like a little 
sausage pucks. 

1177
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:37,900
So, you know, overall like a a 
mixed bag. 

1178
00:59:37,900 --> 00:59:40,500
Definitely, you could tell it 
was, it was my first time, you 

1179
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:43,700
know, in the coach's seat, the 
thing that I had a hard time 

1180
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:47,100
with that, you are Fantastic 
about having been to many of 

1181
00:59:47,107 --> 00:59:51,200
your tailgates is what got me is
some of my friends showed up, 

1182
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,800
right? 
When I was starting to get 

1183
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,100
things together to make the food
and I had a very, if you can't 

1184
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:57,700
tell on the podcast, I like to 
talk. 

1185
00:59:57,700 --> 01:00:01,900
I had a very hard time, kind of 
modulating between what needed 

1186
01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:05,600
to be done to cook and food prep
while also entertaining friends,

1187
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,800
and that, that definitely sunk 
me. 

1188
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,100
That was I was I was a head 
coach, who was calling? 

1189
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:14,100
I was calling bad plays. 
I was throwing the red. 

1190
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,500
I get the rock out. 
Like I was all over the map and 

1191
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:18,400
it's like, I'm spending too much
time with friends that I'm 

1192
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,600
spending too much time cooking 
and like I wasn't able to 

1193
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,400
modulate so a lot of things to 
improve on. 

1194
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,900
But you know, my wife God love 
her. 

1195
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:25,700
Gave me a c. 
Plus, I try to talk my way into 

1196
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:29,200
a b-minus couldn't get there. 
So, yeah, but overall do great, 

1197
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:31,600
absolute great time. 
We will be doing it again. 

1198
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,400
Obviously, this is where you 
need to take a page out of your 

1199
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,300
own criticism, and be like, I 
can't be both the coach and the 

1200
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:40,000
grilling coordinator, you know, 
you got it. 

1201
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,500
You got to give up one of those,
one of those duties, because it 

1202
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:46,700
is hard. 
I mean, Had to round into shape 

1203
01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:50,200
on that over the course of time.
And to, you know, you have to 

1204
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,000
this is we're actually having 
more people come to your 

1205
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,800
tailgate is a good thing because
they can entertain each other 

1206
01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:01,100
while you provide them with food
and then you, you know, you do 

1207
01:01:01,100 --> 01:01:04,200
it in waves and you know, you 
say, look, I'm going to cook x 

1208
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,900
amount of things for this next 
phase is 20 or 30 minute phase 

1209
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:10,900
and then I'm going to stop and 
I'm going to go mingle and then 

1210
01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:12,600
you have to have an internal 
timer to say. 

1211
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,300
I'm going to go back and cook 
some more. 

1212
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,800
More and get more things ready. 
Now, sometimes you're going to 

1213
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,400
get hit with a whole bunch of 
people coming if your tailgate 

1214
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,600
is popular. 
And that's at that point you 

1215
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,500
have to learn kind of how to be,
you know, the classic 

1216
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,100
short-order cook in the diner in
a movie scene, where you, you 

1217
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:32,700
know, how to cook the food and 
keep an eye on it while you're 

1218
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:35,400
also talking with the people 
that are coming and saying hi, 

1219
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,700
you know, so that's where it is 
more art than science at that 

1220
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:44,000
point. 
But it's also where I think you 

1221
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,000
learn Own limitations and a lot 
of the things that you're 

1222
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,700
talking about those are just 
practice. 

1223
01:01:50,700 --> 01:01:54,900
Those are simply, you know what,
I need to make a list and really

1224
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:58,000
think through everything I need 
and I need to get a tailgate bag

1225
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,400
and put everything in there. 
My wife is great about helping 

1226
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,200
to organize that stuff and yeah 
you gotta there's certain 

1227
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,300
materials that you're going to 
have to cook ahead of time or 

1228
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:11,300
buy premade because ultimately 
it's not like cooking from home.

1229
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,200
It's cooking at in a parking 
lot. 

1230
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:17,300
Basically, and and that is a 
different thing altogether. 

1231
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:20,700
But I'm glad you had a good 
first tailgate that you hosted 

1232
01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:22,300
and that's, that's nice. 
Awesome. 

1233
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,300
Yeah, for spot is awesome. 
We have grass right there. 

1234
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:27,400
Here's the thing I'll ask you, 
this is a okay, my son and I 

1235
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,600
were talking about this. 
This is definitely very campy 

1236
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,100
and silly and probably something
you're going to despise. 

1237
01:02:32,100 --> 01:02:33,600
But at least, you can give me 
some ideas. 

1238
01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:36,500
So we're in lot 9 and there's a 
walkway. 

1239
01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:40,200
It's lined with IU flags, and 
it's a walkway up to the stadium

1240
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,100
with the practice field on the 
other side. 

1241
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:44,200
That's talking to my son like he
drew, like an IU. 

1242
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,600
Go and chalk and like, you know,
clap for IU and people were 

1243
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,300
doing stuff and we're right 
there on the edge and I was 

1244
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:52,300
talking to him, like, you know, 
maybe we should build something 

1245
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:55,300
like a bell or like something 
that people it becomes a 

1246
01:02:55,308 --> 01:02:58,000
tradition people have to ring 
the bell on the way in or you 

1247
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,000
know some. 
Hey this is where football is 

1248
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,400
football. 
Is great because like there is 

1249
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,300
no Traditions like we could 
start something where it's like 

1250
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:06,600
hey this is this is this is 
great you know like there's a 

1251
01:03:06,607 --> 01:03:08,600
few things like in LA tete, 
right above us. 

1252
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,300
There's a guy who flies the IU 
flag and then whoever produced 

1253
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:13,800
playing has always done that. 
So I don't know, I was thinking 

1254
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,500
like is Or something, you know, 
I'm a little handy, I could 

1255
01:03:16,500 --> 01:03:19,000
build like a little, you know, 
peace with a bell that people 

1256
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,500
could ring it could. 
Bring that like, is there 

1257
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:23,500
something you could think of 
that would be fun for people to 

1258
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:28,100
do who are walking into the 
stadium because we have access 

1259
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:30,200
to that, it's right on the edge 
of our tailgate spot. 

1260
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:32,100
And we plan on staying there for
a while. 

1261
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:33,700
Now I'm just throwing that out 
there to you. 

1262
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:35,900
You can say hey that's the 
dumbest idea ever don't do 

1263
01:03:35,900 --> 01:03:38,000
anything. 
You can't even focus on cooking 

1264
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,900
and talking let alone adding a 
belt to the mix in which case I 

1265
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:44,200
hear you and maybe that's a 
2025. 

1266
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:48,000
I do that when 69 is finished. 
One of the things I've learned 

1267
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,800
in life is that when someone 
answers their own question, I 

1268
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,800
won't answer it again. 
So, we'll just leave it at that.

1269
01:03:54,800 --> 01:04:01,600
I will say, I think I would, I 
would be cautious about taking 

1270
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,500
too big of a serving before 
learning how to eat, what's 

1271
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:07,300
already on your plate when it 
comes to tailgate because look, 

1272
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:11,300
ultimately tailgating requires a
lot of logistics throughout the 

1273
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:15,100
before. 
And during and if you put a bail

1274
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:18,700
out there, like are you It also 
while you're cooking and 

1275
01:04:18,700 --> 01:04:22,200
entertaining, whoever you've got
there also be yelling at people.

1276
01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:25,800
Hey, hey, ring, the bell, on the
way, I mean, that we'll really 

1277
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,900
it's some point. 
I think that will lose you will 

1278
01:04:28,900 --> 01:04:33,000
lose something that you need to 
be doing in order to try to do 

1279
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,200
that. 
And I think you're better off 

1280
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,400
selling the experience of being 
at your tailgate. 

1281
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,400
Not trying to create something 
for random passers-by. 

1282
01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:46,800
Many of whom are drunk or are 
not particularly interested in 

1283
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:50,000
invading somebody else's space 
for fear of doing something 

1284
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,000
wrong. 
So I would say get the tailgate 

1285
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,300
itself established first, you 
know, it's like it's kind of 

1286
01:04:56,308 --> 01:05:00,900
like eiu football pattern, like 
get get to six wins, get to the 

1287
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:03,200
Music City, or the Motor City 
Bowl or whatever. 

1288
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,500
Like, you know, get get play a 
Mac team win that game, then 

1289
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:11,300
worry about contending for the 
Big Ten like, like do things in 

1290
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:13,400
order. 
So right now, you are in the, 

1291
01:05:13,700 --> 01:05:15,900
we've got to get to the Little 
Caesars Bowl part of your 

1292
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:18,300
tailgate. 
So, Focus on my first, I need to

1293
01:05:18,308 --> 01:05:21,200
sign up in my in my garage. 
Not, you know like let's build a

1294
01:05:21,207 --> 01:05:23,000
bell today. 
Like, what have you done to make

1295
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,900
the tailgate better tomorrow? 
There you go. 

1296
01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:26,900
Did you done to not overcook, 
your sausage? 

1297
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:28,500
Yeah. 
Last thing I will say that I 

1298
01:05:28,500 --> 01:05:31,500
want to hear about yours. 
There is a new development that 

1299
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:34,200
happened in lot 9 that I'm not 
happy about. 

1300
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:37,000
There was a guy in a very Time 
Square. 

1301
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,600
Ask set up a guy at a full 
Ironman costume walk by, and I'm

1302
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,000
like, oh, kids look it's Iron 
Man. 

1303
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,700
Then he's got the buckets. 
Like, hey, you guys want a 

1304
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:45,200
picture? 
And it's like the tip jar. 

1305
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,100
It's like, no, like I don't, I 
don't want to be accosted for a 

1306
01:05:48,107 --> 01:05:49,900
Dollar, by the way, who the hell
carries cash? 

1307
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,700
You have been Mo on there, but 
it's like there's a kind of 

1308
01:05:52,700 --> 01:05:54,000
Spider-Man outfit is a two or 
three. 

1309
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,200
Guys, in full dress up, walking 
around like trying to do 

1310
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,700
pictures for tips. 
And I know those guys at Times 

1311
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:01,700
Square, they have cost you, if 
you take a picture and then it's

1312
01:06:01,700 --> 01:06:03,900
like, they don't you don't tip 
they get super annoying. 

1313
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:06,300
It's like, that's I used to 
curity. 

1314
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:07,700
Let's, let's get that out of 
there. 

1315
01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:09,200
Like we don't need, I don't need
to be. 

1316
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:11,900
Are you footballs got enough 
things going on? 

1317
01:06:11,900 --> 01:06:15,000
Like I don't need hit my kids 
being accosted by Iron Man to 

1318
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,600
get tips. 
So just let's Keep an eye out, 

1319
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,300
don't like that. 
Now that did not happen in my 

1320
01:06:19,300 --> 01:06:22,800
parking lot, thankfully. 
So anyway, that'll wrap it up 

1321
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,700
for us today. 
How'd yours. 

1322
01:06:24,700 --> 01:06:28,800
Go get him on your the, it was I
mean it was it was a standard 

1323
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,000
good tailgate. 
We did breakfast sandwiches and 

1324
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,800
everything worked out really 
well and we had a nice crowd and

1325
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,200
it went very quickly like we got
set up at 7:00. 

1326
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:41,000
I've right at seven, drove in 
and we were there. 

1327
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,200
I mean, you know, packed up at 
about 11:30. 

1328
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,000
I mean it was a steady stream of
people the whole time people 

1329
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,500
brought a lot of really good 
foods. 

1330
01:06:48,500 --> 01:06:51,200
I mean, there was there wasn't a
lot to report because it worked 

1331
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:55,300
the way that it was supposed to.
And I was we've done a lot of 

1332
01:06:55,300 --> 01:06:58,200
breakfast tailgates. 
We have to We do a lot of noon 

1333
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,400
kicks here at IU and I was 
pleased with how it all went and

1334
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:05,700
looking forward to probably 
another one for homecoming. 

1335
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:08,300
This is where it gets tricky, 
because breakfast sandwiches are

1336
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:13,900
so easy to do. 
So my wife has been pushing the 

1337
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:18,200
breakfast taco idea for the next
one, which we could certainly 

1338
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,400
do. 
I've got a good method with the 

1339
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,600
griddle with tacos that worked 
last week. 

1340
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:28,100
But you know, I mean, I will say
this was the one reflective 

1341
01:07:28,100 --> 01:07:30,400
piece I have on this and this is
where it gets tougher. 

1342
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,000
This time of year. 
You know, you get the truck 

1343
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,400
packed you got to get out there 
at 7:00 a.m. it's really early. 

1344
01:07:36,700 --> 01:07:39,200
At least it was warm. 
It was like 60 degrees. 

1345
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:42,700
It's hard to plan. 
What you're going to wear, how 

1346
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:44,700
you going to set up, how you're 
going to feel the tailgate 

1347
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:46,600
because it goes from 60 with the
Sundown. 

1348
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,700
When you first set up to being 
like 85 with a blazing, you 

1349
01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:54,700
know, early day, son by 11:00. 
That's a huge transition that's 

1350
01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:57,200
hard for people. 
Not just the host, but also the 

1351
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,300
guests to get their heads 
wrapped around. 

1352
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:01,100
But, no, it's good. 
Good times all together. 

1353
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:03,200
There wasn't true. 
Like, I left here at, like, you,

1354
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,800
we left here, like 7:45, eight 
o'clock, and it's like cool and 

1355
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,100
crisp. 
It's like I'm loving having 

1356
01:08:07,100 --> 01:08:10,200
coffee and I brewed an extra 
thing, a coffee and brought in a

1357
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,500
thermos. 
And the time we get to Found a 

1358
01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:13,900
Bloomington. 
It's like 80 degrees of sons 

1359
01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:16,200
blazing. 
It's like coffee was a bad idea,

1360
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:17,700
so I just don't want any more 
coffee. 

1361
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
You gotta kind of if it's a cold

1362
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,100
and this is where it's tough 
because as it gets colder, it's 

1363
01:08:23,100 --> 01:08:27,300
much harder to get out there and
and load the vehicle and get in 

1364
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:31,100
there and you know, you're 
setting up and it's 33 degrees 

1365
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:34,300
and you know, you're going to 
literally go up 30 degrees in 

1366
01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:38,100
the next two hours, or three 
hours, or whatever it is when 

1367
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:40,200
the sun comes up. 
If you're lucky, then you get 

1368
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,399
into November and you Even have 
that benefit. 

1369
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:47,000
So it's, it's this to me like, 
these late September. 

1370
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,800
Tailgates are my favorites, 
because you've got a little bit 

1371
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,800
of temperature variation, but 
overall you can handle it and 

1372
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,100
I'd rather have hot then overly 
cold. 

1373
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,700
There's just something about, 
you can always take layers off, 

1374
01:08:57,700 --> 01:09:00,800
but when you get really cold 
it's hard to put stuff back on 

1375
01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:03,800
in those sorts of environments. 
And I think it's doubly hard 

1376
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,100
when you're hosting a tailgate 
because as you elucidated 

1377
01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:09,300
earlier you're not just there to
hang out, you're there to 

1378
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:13,500
entertain and that Add another 
layer to you and what you have 

1379
01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:17,500
to do, that is ripped. 
My wife is nodding ruefully over

1380
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:21,100
here as I'm saying this, but 
that's, that's the complicating 

1381
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:22,600
factor that you have to think 
about. 

1382
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,000
Anyway, the nice thing with 
tailgate time on our podcast is 

1383
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,399
I want to keep doing this. 
And I think this is a good like 

1384
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,300
you are the Alabama Clemson 
Georgia tailgate. 

1385
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:36,000
So people can gleam great ideas 
from you and I think I can offer

1386
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:39,500
kind of the Illinois. 
Indiana level of tailgating, 

1387
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:41,700
where it's like, I'm starting 
off and so you You can learn 

1388
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:44,100
through my foibles and then they
can get the expert advice from 

1389
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:46,399
you. 
Well, I know that the fans 

1390
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:48,300
seemed to enjoy it. 
So we will definitely continue 

1391
01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:49,800
to talk about it as we move 
forward. 

1392
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,200
But anyway, that'll wrap it up 
for us today. 

1393
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,300
We will be back later on this 
week. 

1394
01:09:55,300 --> 01:09:57,300
We should have a couple of 
special guests joining us. 

1395
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,800
As we talk about IU Cincinnati, 
that game coming up. 

1396
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,400
Cincinnati, looking pretty good.
Overall, I you the analytics 

1397
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,000
aren't real big fan of. 
I you right now as we talked 

1398
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,400
about, but if you can pull this 
off, it changes the whole 

1399
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,800
season. 
As it gets them significantly 

1400
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,900
closer to bowl eligibility so 
we'll see what happens with all 

1401
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:18,400
of that. 
And we will, of course talk 

1402
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,900
about what's going on in the 
betting markets, with Crimson 

1403
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:23,000
cash. 
Be sure to tune in for that, for

1404
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,600
Scott, I'm Gail. 
Mm, this is Crimson cast part of

1405
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,400
the back home network. 
Thanks don't feel the Peril. 

1406
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,000
We will catch you folks on the 
flipside. 

1407
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:31,700
Bring back the Bison, so long, 
everybody.