1
00:00:06,100 --> 00:00:07,600
You're listening to the back 
home. 

2
00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,100
Network presented by home-field 
apparel. 

3
00:00:20,300 --> 00:00:23,900
Welcome back to Crimson Cask. 
Ale klaviyo, Scott Caulfield 

4
00:00:23,900 --> 00:00:25,800
joining you here. 
Scott section coming up a little

5
00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,700
bit later. 
I'm here to start. 

6
00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:31,900
Good to see you, or Talk to you 
folks, again, I guess it's the 

7
00:00:31,900 --> 00:00:34,900
2nd of March. 
As we record this, you may be 

8
00:00:34,900 --> 00:00:38,800
hearing this on the second. 
If you're hardcore Crimson, cast

9
00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,300
fans, and you've subscribed to 
us on iTunes or Spotify, you 

10
00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:44,700
probably popped up. 
You're like oh this was an 

11
00:00:44,700 --> 00:00:47,800
unexpected surprise and other 
Crimson cast episode otherwise 

12
00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,900
you probably catching this on 
Friday, the third. 

13
00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:52,100
Either way, thank you for 
listening. 

14
00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:56,500
We greatly appreciate it. 
We got Smorgasbord of things 

15
00:00:56,500 --> 00:00:59,400
today for you. 
On the show will be joined 

16
00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,200
obviously. 
Scott a little bit later is, 

17
00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,099
we're going to recap that 
abomination of a game that 

18
00:01:04,099 --> 00:01:09,000
Indiana played against Iowa, 
this past Tuesday, and just kind

19
00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,800
of talk through what all 
happened there and why? 

20
00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,900
And what it all means, if 
anything, why don't, we don't 

21
00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:17,800
really know, we're just kind of 
spitballing at this point but 

22
00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,400
we'll talk about that and also 
talk about what's going to be a 

23
00:01:21,408 --> 00:01:24,800
very interesting next few days 
for IU as they get ready for the

24
00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,400
season finale and senior night 
as they take on Michigan. 

25
00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,800
We've also got Tony had Rania 
joining us here. 

26
00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:35,000
He talked to me earlier on today
as we got to talk through some 

27
00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,800
of the issues. 
I you had in that Iowa game, 

28
00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,900
some of the larger issues that 
are still around with this 

29
00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:43,100
Indiana team and just, you know,
just some things, some 

30
00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:45,100
statistical items. 
Some other things that were 

31
00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:48,900
notable that we wanted to touch 
base on, we always enjoy having 

32
00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:52,200
Tony on, be sure that you catch 
Tony Elsewhere on the back home 

33
00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,000
network. 
His work is very much something 

34
00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,200
that you need to be catching on 
the private Community with the 

35
00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,200
back home. 
And he's also a regular on the 

36
00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,400
assembly call, which of course 
is one of our partner podcasts, 

37
00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,300
on the back home network. 
They are there every week 

38
00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:12,300
talking about IU basketball on 
Thursdays and they're also there

39
00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:15,500
after every game wins and 
losses. 

40
00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:20,500
They got the the joy, the the 
Ecstasy, I guess of being able 

41
00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:23,200
to podcast immediately after 
that Purdue win, and then they 

42
00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,000
also got the agony of having to 
try to talk IU basketball for a 

43
00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,100
solid hour after getting Your 
lunch handed to you by an Iowa 

44
00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:34,500
Hawkeyes team that most people 
didn't give a chance to win. 

45
00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:38,100
So, we appreciate all those guys
and what they do, and we would 

46
00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:40,600
like to remind you all that. 
The back home network is brought

47
00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,700
to you by home field apparel 
your place, to go for the finest

48
00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:46,600
in college Fashions, the 
greatest designs, the softest 

49
00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,200
fabrics and some of the coolest 
stuff I mentioned that they 

50
00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,900
would have some new things out 
there and sure enough they 

51
00:02:53,900 --> 00:02:57,800
managed to launch an entire new.
Well, I guess we can't call it a

52
00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,900
Pac-12 collection because it's 
really now. 

53
00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:06,100
The 10 UCLA and you, you know, 
the University of Southern 

54
00:03:06,100 --> 00:03:08,100
California. 
USC can't believe I tripped over

55
00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:13,400
that, but those were just 
refreshed and man some really 

56
00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,800
awesome looking stuff. 
There I am. 

57
00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,200
Weirdly I'm a sucker for USC 
apparel so I had to pick up a 

58
00:03:19,208 --> 00:03:21,300
couple of things off of that 
right away. 

59
00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,200
Other people really love the 
baby blue of UCLA. 

60
00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,600
I gotta say all this conference 
realignment is creating some 

61
00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,400
problems because Cuz I used to 
just be like, yeah, I would love

62
00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,600
to buy apparel from all over the
country and because there was no

63
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,400
direct conflict with I you I 
didn't feel like I had any sort 

64
00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,300
of moral quandary there. 
But now, you know, I by USC 

65
00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:47,500
stuff and it's like, what am I 
going to wear that when they're 

66
00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:49,900
in the conference? 
Like I, you know, are you 

67
00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:51,900
allowed to have a second team in
the conference? 

68
00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:55,800
Is that even a thing? 
So that's, that's going to be 

69
00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,000
something we have to work on and
deal with. 

70
00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,600
I don't know exactly how to Or 
navigate that particular issue 

71
00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,700
but you can make those sorts of 
decisions on yourself by going 

72
00:04:06,700 --> 00:04:09,100
to home field. 
Apparel.com, following 

73
00:04:09,100 --> 00:04:12,900
home-field apparel on Twitter on
Instagram, if you use the code 

74
00:04:12,900 --> 00:04:17,399
home H ome get 15% off your 
first order. 

75
00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:21,399
And as the home field folks 
talked about a little bit. 

76
00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:24,700
They're revving up for some new 
and fun releases coming up here.

77
00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:27,600
They always have some cool 
things coming out during the 

78
00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,200
NCAA tournament so keep your eye
on the socials and be sure to 

79
00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,300
get over to home field. 
Apparel.com for the merch. 

80
00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,300
All right, we're going to bring 
Tony in will bring Scott in. 

81
00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:39,100
We've got your questions coming 
up. 

82
00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:41,800
As always, if you've got 
questions, comments, whatever 

83
00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,600
you can always hit us up on 
Twitter at Crimson cast or you 

84
00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,000
can last probably the best way 
to do. 

85
00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,400
So just hit us up on Twitter. 
Probably the easiest for 

86
00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,400
everybody. 
Antonia draw Nia joining us. 

87
00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:58,600
Once again, remember the back 
home network and back here on 

88
00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,400
Crimson cast your you're in 
danger of becoming like the 

89
00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,900
third permanent guests that we 
have on Crimson cast that. 

90
00:05:05,900 --> 00:05:07,500
Are you ready for this 
challenge? 

91
00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:09,500
I MA be honored that there you 
go. 

92
00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:13,900
Are they hold that distinction. 
So Tonio a lot going on right 

93
00:05:13,900 --> 00:05:16,700
now with IU basketball that we 
wanted to talk about? 

94
00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:22,100
First of all, you posted about 
this a little bit on Twitter and

95
00:05:22,100 --> 00:05:25,200
it's certainly been Kind of a 
point of conversation with 

96
00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,000
everybody. 
Like what the heck happened with

97
00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,900
IU on Tuesday against Iowa. 
They come out and just are flat 

98
00:05:31,900 --> 00:05:36,000
from the get-go and it turns 
into one of the most 

99
00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,700
embarrassing losses, not just of
this era, but really of any era.

100
00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,500
In terms of I you playing in the
sembly hole. 

101
00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,300
What did you see in this game? 
That led to that kind of an 

102
00:05:45,300 --> 00:05:47,200
outcome? 
Yeah, to me. 

103
00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:53,000
It was, you know, I you got 
punched in the mouth pretty 

104
00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:56,000
Quickly and just never 
recovered. 

105
00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:59,700
You know, Iowa came out strong 
to their credit and they got 

106
00:05:59,700 --> 00:06:02,300
confidence in Iowa's, a team 
that if you give confidence, 

107
00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:06,200
they're going to take it and run
and you know, they they ended up

108
00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,300
what shooting 60% from the 
three-point line like to me it 

109
00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:12,100
was that start. 
And unfortunately that's kind of

110
00:06:12,108 --> 00:06:16,700
been a little bit of a Achilles 
heel for IU recently for sure is

111
00:06:16,700 --> 00:06:20,500
slow starts and this time they 
got off to a slow start and I 

112
00:06:20,500 --> 00:06:22,900
will really showed no sign of 
letting up. 

113
00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:28,400
They got confidence and, you 
know, they made like you said, 

114
00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,100
they may die. 
You look kind of silly on their 

115
00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:35,400
home floor, and an opportunity. 
When I, you had pretty much 

116
00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,200
everything to play for, you 
know, outside of the Big Ten 

117
00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,200
title, you know, they're playing
for that, double by. 

118
00:06:40,700 --> 00:06:44,900
And, you know, just laid an egg,
it was quite stinker. 

119
00:06:45,500 --> 00:06:47,900
Yeah. 
It was just, and I was there at 

120
00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:51,800
the game, I could tell right 
away, like, even before the game

121
00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,900
started like the vibe. 
I was wrong. 

122
00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:57,300
The crowd was not into it. 
It felt like a crowd that had 

123
00:06:57,300 --> 00:07:00,500
just watched their team, you 
know, sweep their rival and been

124
00:07:00,500 --> 00:07:01,800
play. 
Maybe their best game of the 

125
00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,300
season there. 
Just wasn't even even the 

126
00:07:04,300 --> 00:07:07,100
Illinois game. 
You know, from a couple of weeks

127
00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:10,600
earlier at home that hadn't been
a great Vibe. 

128
00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,800
But everybody kind of got into 
it as the team went along and 

129
00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:18,700
the I thought that the team 
itself just looked flat all the 

130
00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:21,300
way around. 
They had a couple of Moments One

131
00:07:21,300 --> 00:07:24,300
when they got the lead to 23. 
Money in the first half. 

132
00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:26,200
And then again, right at the 
beginning of the second half 

133
00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,900
where there was Verve, it was 
just kind of surprising to watch

134
00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:30,300
them, get back to down out of 
that. 

135
00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:33,800
So quickly when Iowa just came 
down and started hitting shots 

136
00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,200
and it opened up kind of 
something that we probably need 

137
00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,300
to be thinking about with this 
iut moving into the postseason, 

138
00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:43,900
which is that? 
So much of this team's ability 

139
00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:47,400
on offense, seems to flow 
directly from how they're doing 

140
00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,600
on defense and when the other 
team is hitting shots and having

141
00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,400
success it, it It just kind of 
puts them in a funk offensively 

142
00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,100
where they start taking bad 
shots. 

143
00:07:57,100 --> 00:07:59,200
They start doing what were they 
do, it like there were three 

144
00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,800
running right-handed hook shots 
in the lane during those Iowa 

145
00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,500
runs, like, what is that that's 
causing? 

146
00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:07,900
I you to have that kind of 
psychological response in those 

147
00:08:07,900 --> 00:08:12,000
circumstances. 
Yeah, to me it's it's it goes 

148
00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,300
back to kind of that confidence 
and just flow and you know when 

149
00:08:16,300 --> 00:08:21,600
Indiana's forced to play kind of
in a half-court game and and you

150
00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,400
know like say a team like Iowa 
Kind of put some token pressure 

151
00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,800
full core so then you're down to
like 20 seconds. 

152
00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,400
We get into your offense and I 
you just it takes time to 

153
00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,600
develop and flow sometimes in 
their offense and when they're 

154
00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,700
out of sync, boy, are they out 
of sync as you mentioned. 

155
00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,700
And yeah, that's good. 
That's kind of what happened. 

156
00:08:39,700 --> 00:08:41,799
The other night is just a 
seeing. 

157
00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:45,100
I mean it's not like I used some
or Iowa, some World beater on 

158
00:08:45,100 --> 00:08:47,800
the defensive end that, you know
just really hunkers down and 

159
00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,600
prevents you from scoring the 
basketball. 

160
00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:52,200
It's actually quite the opposite
with them. 

161
00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:57,000
And so, Yeah, just just the flow
and like you said, the vibe just

162
00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,200
was off, you know, guys weren't 
cutting hard or, you know, just 

163
00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,200
getting to their spots like just
the team. 

164
00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,900
You saw Saturday night in the 
team, you saw Tuesday night were

165
00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,500
quite the contrast, you know. 
That's I don't think I'm going 

166
00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:11,700
out on a limb saying anything 
that everybody doesn't already 

167
00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:14,100
know. 
But, you know, and I've 

168
00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:16,500
mentioned this, I think on 
Twitter, maybe in this simply 

169
00:09:16,500 --> 00:09:19,300
called post game show, but 
sometimes when you're playing, 

170
00:09:19,300 --> 00:09:22,900
you just you think you're 
playing hard and then you go. 

171
00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,200
The film and you're like oh wow,
like no, I wasn't playing harder

172
00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,100
door. 
No, we are team wasn't playing 

173
00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:31,800
hard or whatever the case may be
and I think that was a case. 

174
00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,100
Like I don't think that Gavin 
Hood pheno intentionally went 

175
00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:36,900
out there and was like, you 
know, I'm gonna half-ass it 

176
00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:38,900
today. 
It was, you know, he goes out 

177
00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:41,300
there and he thinks he's playing
hard and he thinks he's properly

178
00:09:41,300 --> 00:09:42,600
positioned. 
And then he goes and watches the

179
00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,400
film with his coaching staff and
like, yeah, that was 

180
00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,200
unacceptable effort. 
Like, it's not necessarily a 

181
00:09:48,208 --> 00:09:50,700
conscious thing, that you 
understand all the time when 

182
00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:52,700
you're out there on the floor 
and then when you can see it 

183
00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:55,100
from, At forty thousand foot 
view you're like, oh wow, yeah, 

184
00:09:55,100 --> 00:09:57,700
that was bad. 
Yeah, it's it's really 

185
00:09:57,700 --> 00:10:01,000
fascinating and it feels like 
this shouldn't be that much 

186
00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,200
variation from one game to the 
next. 

187
00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,200
Like, it feels like okay if your
you can replicate your 

188
00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,500
performances to some degree, 
obviously, there's some 

189
00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:12,100
variables in terms of who you're
playing against and what their 

190
00:10:12,100 --> 00:10:17,100
levels of motivation are. 
It does put I you in an 

191
00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:21,500
interesting quandary because you
know a lot of the conversation 

192
00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:25,800
around the Purdue game and 
Aftermath of that was wow this 

193
00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,500
is an IU team that has another 
score that they can rely on in 

194
00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:32,600
jail and Hood fee. 
Know when things aren't going 

195
00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,200
great for Trace Jackson Davis 
and when he doesn't have it 

196
00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,000
traced Jackson Davis will have 
it going and everything before I

197
00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,400
will Trace Jackson Davis. 
Actually, a really good 

198
00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,700
statistical game against Iowa, 
who Cioppino was not a not in 

199
00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:48,600
have a great shooting night, but
he wasn't like a no-show and 

200
00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,100
yet. 
No one else showed up in this 

201
00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:53,900
one and it really hits it. 
The mercurial Nature of this IU 

202
00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:56,700
team. 
And, you know, the as much as 

203
00:10:56,700 --> 00:11:01,800
I've told people to not have 
that kind of automatic negative 

204
00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,100
reaction with I, you like, this 
is a different type of team. 

205
00:11:05,100 --> 00:11:07,700
I still believe that to some 
degree, but the flip side is, 

206
00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:12,000
there are just games where we've
seen The Supporting Cast, not 

207
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:17,600
show up, and I'm curious. 
Like, do you get extra warning 

208
00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,200
lights? 
Going off in your head when that

209
00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,200
still happening at the end of 
February. 

210
00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,800
Beginning of March. 
Arch. 

211
00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,700
This feels like something that 
should have been out of their 

212
00:11:25,700 --> 00:11:30,100
system by now and yet it 
obviously hasn't been to me. 

213
00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:34,400
It just speaks to you know, 
where I use that in the greater 

214
00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,800
landscape of college basketball.
And that's a top 15, the top 25 

215
00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,800
team, you know, four to six, 
seed range, whatever. 

216
00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,500
The case may be. 
Unfortunately, for I, you like, 

217
00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:49,800
that's what all the teams in 
that sea lion are doing like, 

218
00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,300
putting up stinkers losing to 
teams you shouldn't. 

219
00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,100
Even Maryland, last night, you 
know, goes and loses double 

220
00:11:55,100 --> 00:11:57,500
digits, Ohio State and they've 
been playing very well. 

221
00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:00,800
So, you know, unfortunately for.
Are you like, they just don't 

222
00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,900
have the dog yet that can 
produce on a consistent basis 

223
00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:07,700
where you just know that you 
what performance you're going to

224
00:12:07,700 --> 00:12:09,000
get? 
You know, Trace Jackson Davis. 

225
00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,600
We're pretty, pretty certain, 
what he's going to give you most

226
00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,700
nights, you know, Purdue kind of
being an anomaly. 

227
00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:16,900
But most nights, you know what 
Trace Jackson Davis is going to 

228
00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:20,200
give you, you know, jail had, 
you know, being a Freshman 

229
00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,800
guard. 
He's good very good. 

230
00:12:22,900 --> 00:12:25,800
NBA talent but you're still 
going to have off nights and 

231
00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,500
inconsistent play. 
You know, I think it was, I 

232
00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:32,800
can't remember who tweeted it 
out today, but it was the top 

233
00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:39,100
100 recruits of 2020, the class 
of 2020 to and the top 100 

234
00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:42,600
transfer portal players. 
I think like 20 players in the 

235
00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:48,200
top 100 are averaging double 
digits for freshmen, recruits 66

236
00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,900
in the transfer portal or 
averaging 10 plus points per 

237
00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:52,900
game. 
So it just goes to show. 

238
00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:55,700
I show you that the older you 
get, the more mature you are as 

239
00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:58,600
a player, the more your game 
expands and you're better 

240
00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,800
essentially at scoring the 
basketball. 

241
00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,500
So to rely on a freshman kind of
as that, that second guy, that's

242
00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:08,900
really going to kind of take you
to the promised land can be a 

243
00:13:08,900 --> 00:13:10,700
little bit, nerve-racking to be 
frank. 

244
00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:14,300
It's, you know, I use guard play
is pretty much. 

245
00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,500
What is dictated where the team 
is gone. 

246
00:13:16,500 --> 00:13:19,100
Like Trace Jackson, Davis, is 
that consistent presence, you're

247
00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:21,700
going to have them, but when the
guards play, well Indiana, 

248
00:13:21,700 --> 00:13:24,800
typically wins big games. 
They don't play well, it's a 

249
00:13:24,808 --> 00:13:28,400
stinker one thing. 
I noticed in looking at the 

250
00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,700
individual statistics for that 
Iowa game. 

251
00:13:31,700 --> 00:13:36,800
First of all, that was, if you 
want to go by straight up points

252
00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,800
per possession, allowed, that 
was actually not the worst game 

253
00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,900
that they've had all season, 
which is frightening. 

254
00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:46,200
The marginally, not as bad as 
the game at Penn State Penn 

255
00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,900
State scored. 
Basically, 130 Point 3 points. 

256
00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:52,800
Per 100 possessions, Iowa scored
a hundred and thirty point one. 

257
00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,300
I'm so it was essentially as 
bad. 

258
00:13:55,900 --> 00:13:59,500
But the other thing I noticed 
that I'm curious to get your 

259
00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:05,400
take on, is this is now, if you 
look at the last three games IU 

260
00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:11,200
has posted, its lowest tide for 
lowest and third, lowest 

261
00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,700
offensive rebounding percentage 
numbers of the entire season. 

262
00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:18,500
This is a team that certainly 
hasn't been great on the 

263
00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:22,600
offensive glass this year, but 
it seems like over the last 

264
00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,100
three. 
Is in particular, and really, 

265
00:14:24,100 --> 00:14:28,100
over the last five or last six. 
Illinois, game at home. 

266
00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:31,700
Kind of being the one exception 
they just aren't going to the 

267
00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:34,300
offensive glass to try to get 
offensive rebounds which is 

268
00:14:34,300 --> 00:14:36,700
putting a tremendous amount of 
pressure on them to hit the 

269
00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:40,600
shots that they're taking and 
you know against like Purdue 

270
00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,000
they did. 
And it wasn't that big of a deal

271
00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:47,000
against Iowa day, just didn't 
and it became a huge deal. 

272
00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,000
You know, obviously it's not 
something that Woodson is 

273
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,500
putting a lot of emphasis on 
because if you look at the 

274
00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:55,400
overall, ER all on the season, I
use offensive rebounding. 

275
00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,900
Percentage has, I think pretty 
low all things considered I 

276
00:14:58,908 --> 00:15:03,100
think on the season they're 
about 180, it's in the country 

277
00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:06,100
in grabbing offensive rebounds 
the percentage of overall 

278
00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:07,900
possessions. 
But they look like they've just 

279
00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:10,400
kind of abandoned it completely 
here lately, What like, what's 

280
00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,100
the thought process there and do
you think this is a good idea as

281
00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:16,100
they move into the postseason 
era that of the Season? 

282
00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:17,200
Sure. 
Yeah. 

283
00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,800
With Iowa, you know, they're, 
they're a team that wants to get

284
00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,300
up and down the floor really 
quickly, so I could see Being 

285
00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:27,200
more of a point of emphasis to 
get back rather than attack the 

286
00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,200
glass and you're getting beaten 
transition. 

287
00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:32,000
But obviously, you know, produce
not a team that plays 

288
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,900
particularly fast. 
I don't think offensive 

289
00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:36,400
rebounding percentage was 
anything to write home about 

290
00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,400
their, it was the same in the 
two games in both Iowa and 

291
00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,800
Purdue games. 
It was it was, what was it? 

292
00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,100
16.7 was the offensive 
rebounding percentage, and that 

293
00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:46,700
was tied for the lowest on the 
year. 

294
00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:49,500
Yeah. 
And I think the other thing is, 

295
00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,700
you know, Trace like you said, 
traces Had really good game, you

296
00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:57,400
know, statistically speaking, 
the other night against Iowa, 

297
00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,900
but, you know, has looked at bit
off for a few games, you know, 

298
00:16:01,900 --> 00:16:05,100
fatigue possibly wearing maybe a
back issue flaring up, you know,

299
00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:08,000
that's completely speculation. 
I don't know, could be nothing. 

300
00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:12,500
But, you know, with that, like, 
traces, your number one 

301
00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:15,800
offensive rebounder, if he's 
fatigued, or he's, you know, 

302
00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,500
some sort of back issue or 
whatever the case may be, 

303
00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:22,200
whatever is kind of hampered him
the last few games, like, you're

304
00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,700
pretty much Think that Firepower
Me Trace is one of the you here 

305
00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:27,600
announcers, talk about all the 
time, he's one of the best 

306
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,700
second Jumpers in college 
basketball meaning. 

307
00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,700
As soon as he hits the ground, 
he's springboard and back up 

308
00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:35,600
like a pogo stick and able to 
get that offensive rebound. 

309
00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:39,800
And you know if he doesn't have 
that spring or that bouncer that

310
00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,100
energy to be able to do that, 
you're pretty much losing your 

311
00:16:42,100 --> 00:16:44,800
soul offensive rebounding. 
You know you've got Malik renew 

312
00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,100
and Ray Stomps on The Thinker 
and the eight percentage range. 

313
00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:51,500
But Trace is getting the bulk of
those offense board so that and 

314
00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:57,300
then if you just This wildly 
sometimes to we're not which I 

315
00:16:57,300 --> 00:16:59,700
use doing. 
You're going to have a worse 

316
00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:01,900
chance, as well. 
You know, a lot of I use mrs. 

317
00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,800
I feel like, come around the 
rim, like a, somebody coming 

318
00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,500
over to protect the rim and then
Trace is able to go behind that 

319
00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:10,800
and kind of clean up the mess 
there. 

320
00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,900
So if you're shooting a bunch of
17 Footers and things like that,

321
00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:16,200
and not putting pressure on the 
defense, they're in better 

322
00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,599
position to blocks out box out 
and rebound as well. 

323
00:17:19,500 --> 00:17:23,000
You had posted might have been 
Twitter, might have been on The 

324
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,800
chat that we're on a couple of 
things that you want, I you to 

325
00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,700
do or not do as they move 
forward through the remainder of

326
00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:33,900
the season. 
I wanted you to share those with

327
00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:36,400
the audience because the first 
one I've been talking about for 

328
00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,000
a while and that's stop throwing
the ball forward on fast breaks 

329
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,500
because it feels like IU loses 
like three or four possessions 

330
00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:49,700
every game because of that The 
transition offense when they 

331
00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:51,800
have numbers. 
Like it's actually weird when 

332
00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,300
they when it's like 
three-on-three they find a way 

333
00:17:54,300 --> 00:17:58,200
to get a bucket when it's like a
two-on-one situation. 

334
00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:00,800
Whatever reason we think it 
always needs to be a lob and 

335
00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,300
typically those labs like get 
lofted into the sixth row, or 

336
00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:07,000
yeah. 
So yeah. 

337
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,400
Number one was stop. 
Lobbying the ball on breaks 

338
00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,300
where you have the numbers 
because it just, I mean it's 

339
00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:16,000
insane. 
I would love to See a 

340
00:18:16,008 --> 00:18:19,100
statistical analysis of Indiana,
just on transition breaks, where

341
00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:22,500
they have the numbers. 
You know, I've got the numbers 

342
00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:26,100
on their transition offense and 
it's about 50th percentile in 

343
00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:27,700
the country. 
Not great, not terrible. 

344
00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:30,700
But I, you know, when you have 
the numbers, you should be 

345
00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:33,300
scouring every time as a high 
level basketball team and 

346
00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,400
Indiana just has not done that. 
It just feels like there's 

347
00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:41,000
sometimes it's because it's 
Trace Jackson Davis and Trace 

348
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,700
thinks he's a better passer 
moving than he actually is. 

349
00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,000
Times. 
But it's also like when he's on 

350
00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,000
the receiving end will see jail 
and rufino's actually kind of 

351
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,700
bad at this still where he's 
just got way too much juice on 

352
00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:57,700
the ball and I don't know the 
whole thing's frustrating 

353
00:18:57,700 --> 00:19:01,100
because it does feel like I you 
throws away like 8 to 10 points 

354
00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:03,500
every game. 
Whether it's stepping on the end

355
00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:06,400
line because the pass is off or 
or, you know, they don't put the

356
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,800
shot up when they need to or the
pass is bad to begin with and it

357
00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,900
just feels like, you know, I've 
watched a bunch of other teams 

358
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,200
with, you know, With high-level 
talent and you do see these 

359
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,800
things occasionally, but I you 
sticks out as a team that just 

360
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,100
does not seem to be able to pull
off those situations 

361
00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:28,800
particularly well right now. 
Yeah, and I think some of it is 

362
00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,900
trying to hit that home run, you
know, especially when you're in 

363
00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:32,800
a simile Hall. 
Like, you're you're trying to 

364
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,100
blow the roof off that place and
I get it like, you know, it's 

365
00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:39,400
assembly halls and advantage. 
And, you know, you're on that 

366
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,000
brake. 
And sometimes that that Lobby, 

367
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000
you just can't help yourself and
you throw it and then yeah, 

368
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,500
you're all excited. 
I didn't like you said, you 

369
00:19:46,508 --> 00:19:50,500
throw it too high, you know, I 
think back to my time in the 

370
00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:52,800
Northwestern game we're jamming.
Hey chief, you know, to a flop 

371
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,500
and it hit the top of the 
backboard. 

372
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,900
Yeah. 
You know, I kind of said it 

373
00:19:56,900 --> 00:20:00,900
tongue and cheek but I was kind 
of serious to like, hey, maybe 

374
00:20:00,900 --> 00:20:05,700
we should just slow it down and 
go run our half court offense. 

375
00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:08,500
I mean, you know you think I'd 
loved I would love to see that 

376
00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:10,300
same breakdown. 
I'd also like to see kind of a 

377
00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:13,700
Supercut of the video of all 
those different situation 

378
00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:15,600
because I think you would see 
the same thing. 

379
00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:18,400
A over and over again with that.
But you think about it. 

380
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,400
I mean pulling it back and not 
trying to force the action even 

381
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,600
if it doesn't have to be a la. 
But even if you're getting down 

382
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,900
there and it's now it's a 
three-on-three as opposed to a 

383
00:20:26,908 --> 00:20:29,800
two-on-one, you've still got a 
better chance of at least 

384
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,700
getting some points, but it's 
not just that they're throwing 

385
00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:34,300
the ball away. 
It's a lot of times where the 

386
00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:37,400
passes received when it isn't 
thrown away, there's all you can

387
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,000
do is try to put the ball up. 
You lose the chance at drawing a

388
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,800
foul. 
You lose the chance at it. 

389
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,800
Resetting, if, if the option is 
not Not there and that is kind 

390
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,400
of frustrating to watch and I, 
you know, it's one of those 

391
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,100
things that's happens, 
consistently throughout the 

392
00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:54,000
course of the year. 
It's like it just has not gotten

393
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,600
better at any point throughout 
the course of the year and I do 

394
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,600
find that a little bit peculiar.
It is. 

395
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,600
Yeah, it's fresh. 
You know, as a coach it's not 

396
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,800
nothing is worse and not 
converting a fast break because 

397
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,300
it's, you know, should 
essentially be two point. 

398
00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:11,200
I should be a two points per 
possession. 

399
00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:13,800
Maybe three. 
If you're a coach that, you 

400
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,000
know, allows three pointers in 
transition and yeah, just the 

401
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,900
conversion rate for IU. 
Just has not been there at the 

402
00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:24,800
clip and needs to be something 
else that was pointed out with, 

403
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,000
you know, which is the lack of 
three point shots, you know, 

404
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,700
Indiana. 
As we keep talking about is one 

405
00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:33,800
of the best three-point shooting
teams by percentage in the 

406
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,800
country and even going to for 11
in the game against Iowa, their 

407
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,600
19th in the country, they shoot 
38% from three. 

408
00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:47,900
And yet they only took 11 threes
in that game, and it just really

409
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:50,600
wasn't part of the offense, 
overall, and I'm curious your 

410
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,900
thoughts on like, why, why that 
is. 

411
00:21:52,900 --> 00:21:55,700
I get it in the normal flow of 
an offense, where the game is 

412
00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:58,500
going normal. 
They clearly want to get The 

413
00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:01,100
ball into the post, they want to
give it to trace Jackson, Davis.

414
00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:04,200
They want to show Trevino 
driving, you know, to either 

415
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,700
side and drawing Defenders, that
all makes sense. 

416
00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:09,900
And if you can get kicked out 
some threes, maybe it's not a 

417
00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:12,200
huge percentage of your offense.
But in a game where you're down 

418
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,500
by that much and you have to get
some offense going, they just 

419
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:17,400
don't even look at the 
three-point line. 

420
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,200
And that is really bizarre to 
me, like, what's the, what's the

421
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,400
thought process there? 
Why would they fall into that 

422
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,900
rut in those sort of 
circumstances? 

423
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,800
it's a great question, you know,
I was actually re-watch the game

424
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,200
and I saw It was it was double 
digits. 

425
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,300
The amount of times that a 
shooter actually got a good look

426
00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:37,500
like Miller cop, right? 
Where you wanted to, catch the 

427
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:40,200
ball, passes it up like you 
said, for a running hook shot or

428
00:22:40,208 --> 00:22:42,800
something along the line. 
So it's not even the weird part 

429
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,100
of it is is that it's not even a
case where Indiana can't get a 

430
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:49,700
look. 
It's like they're not looking 

431
00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:53,700
and with good Shooters. 
You know, Galloway did it a 

432
00:22:53,708 --> 00:22:55,800
couple of times to. 
It's like sometimes Indiana 

433
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,100
passes up a wide open three for 
a contestant to which I'll never

434
00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:03,700
understand. 
Yeah, it's that one's kind of 

435
00:23:03,708 --> 00:23:07,200
mind-boggling because I don't, I
don't quite get it myself, you 

436
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,000
know, especially in situations. 
And that was what I wanted to go

437
00:23:10,008 --> 00:23:12,300
back and look like, okay. 
They even have opportunities to 

438
00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:14,300
shoot these. 
Or was it just the offense was 

439
00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:17,200
predicated on feeding trays and 
nobody could ever. 

440
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,700
And I was just taken away the 
perimeter that wasn't the case 

441
00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:23,300
like they were doubling down 
sometimes or Indiana would run a

442
00:23:23,308 --> 00:23:26,200
pick and roll and they would 
they would help on the roll and 

443
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,800
somebody would lift and be open 
for three. 

444
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,100
Like they just weren't shooting 
and it was somewhat Our it feel 

445
00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:35,100
its philosophical like it has to
be, there's no way that guys are

446
00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:39,300
just turning down those shots 
and it's just in those sorts of 

447
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:41,000
circumstances. 
It doesn't make a lot of sense 

448
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,700
and that's the one thing where, 
you know, I look at it, it's 

449
00:23:42,700 --> 00:23:46,300
like that has got to be 
something that they change 

450
00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:50,200
because there's gonna be games 
where they get down in Big Ten 

451
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,700
tournament NCAA tournament and 
they can't be afraid to leverage

452
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,300
their three-point shooting. 
Yeah, you might miss a couple 

453
00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,900
more than you would miss under 
normal circumstances but missing

454
00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:04,600
a to and missing a 3 and that 
case count for exactly the same 

455
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,100
number of points, like one isn't
what better than the other 

456
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:09,200
because you're just, you know, 
you're caught slightly closer to

457
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,800
the basket. 
The other thing and this is more

458
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,700
of a general question. 
Maybe we'll kind of get you out 

459
00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:17,100
on this. 
It's not even necessarily an IU 

460
00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:18,700
thing. 
I you a certainly struggled on 

461
00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:22,400
the road Purdue game accepted, 
but everybody has struggled on 

462
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,000
the road will leave Iowa out of 
the equation and yes, Penn State

463
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,600
managed to pull off an 
unexpected win at Northwestern 

464
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,000
last night but by and large. 
Judge Road teams have really 

465
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,000
suffered in the Big Ten. 
Maryland who looks like a 

466
00:24:37,008 --> 00:24:41,200
national champion at home losses
to Ohio State handily. 

467
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,400
Last night, it's one of 100 of 
examples that we could give from

468
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,800
the course of the Big Ten 
season. 

469
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:48,700
How do you see this playing out?
When all of these teams are 

470
00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:51,400
playing on neutral courts. 
I mean, everybody's got to go to

471
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,100
the United Center next week, I 
have no clue what to Divine from

472
00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:57,700
this season. 
Like, I don't know if Maryland's

473
00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:00,700
actually a good team on a 
neutral court and just terrible.

474
00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:04,200
On a road floor, I have no idea.
But I you with that being in 

475
00:25:04,208 --> 00:25:07,500
that case, how do you try to 
judge the team's relative 

476
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:10,900
strengths knowing that we really
haven't gotten a chance to see a

477
00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:12,600
team dominate, both home and 
away. 

478
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:16,500
Sure. 
I think it really comes down to 

479
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:21,100
two Talent evaluation, like, I 
think neutral core is where, you

480
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:26,100
know, you see, like what teams 
are talented and which one's 

481
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:28,700
kind of feed off that home 
energy a bunch or or you know, 

482
00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:30,900
you could talk about the 
officials kind of feeding off 

483
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:33,400
the A home energy as well and 
given the home team calls and 

484
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,300
things like that, you know, I 
think that that's really what it

485
00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:43,200
comes down to is, you know, who 
has the more talented players 

486
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,600
that are put in spots to 
Showcase that Talent. 

487
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,200
Like, to me, that's like the 
anti Rutgers. 

488
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,300
It's why I've said from the 
beginning that I thought Rutgers

489
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,000
even when they were like, 
projected as a 45 seat, I 

490
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,800
thought they would lose in the 
first round of the tournament 

491
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,500
because of the style of play 
that they play now. 

492
00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:02,500
Granted, you get They can 
officials, you never know what 

493
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:07,000
they might may or may not call 
in in the Big Ten Tournament. 

494
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,500
But yeah, it's, it's perplexing 
because, you know, to me, I 

495
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:14,900
still think Indiana and Illinois
have the most talent in the Big 

496
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:21,900
Ten, and but we also know how 
India typically has performed in

497
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,000
the victims and I get it. 
It's been different, regimes 

498
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,600
different coaches for whatever 
reason, you know, Indiana 

499
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,600
program, Illinois for that 
matter, same product, but, you 

500
00:26:29,608 --> 00:26:33,900
know, yeah, Yeah, so yeah, it's 
it's perplexing. 

501
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,600
It's a it's a weird one to try 
to get your head wrapped around.

502
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,900
I mean they're there are certain
teams. 

503
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:41,600
It's kind of like Michigan. 
The last few years has performed

504
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,600
pretty well in tournament 
settings, when they haven't 

505
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:49,200
necessarily performed well, in 
conference play and yet, it's 

506
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:52,700
even they've struggled a bit at 
home versus on the road. 

507
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:55,700
I mean, it's just, it's and it 
look, it's not just here. 

508
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:57,400
I mean, this is actually 
something happening all over the

509
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,500
country. 
You're seeing teams really 

510
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:05,700
struggle away from home, A lot 
of cases and I am, I think this 

511
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:08,900
is probably the year where I 
felt the law like the least 

512
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:11,800
amount of confidence. 
In what I've seen in the regular

513
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,400
season actually translating over
to what I'll see in the 

514
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,800
tournament, all the way up and 
down the line, like, even even 

515
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,900
teams like Alabama and Kansas, I
don't really know what we're 

516
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:23,800
going to get out of them in a 
tournament setting it with the 

517
00:27:23,808 --> 00:27:25,700
Big Ten teams. 
It's like I could see two or 

518
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:28,700
three of them making it to the 
second weekend and Beyond. 

519
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:30,800
I could see all of them losing 
in the second round. 

520
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,700
Or before and it just does not. 
I don't know what to make it all

521
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,300
about. 
This Big Ten Tournament 

522
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,800
partially because we don't even 
know what the seedings going to 

523
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,600
be at this stage is what 
anywhere from a variance of like

524
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,700
second tonight? 
Yeah, with one game remaining? 

525
00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:49,000
Yeah, and I mean, you could have
like a six way tie for second 

526
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,500
place in the conference and 
everything's on the table. 

527
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:53,000
Still at this point. 
I mean, some of it'll get 

528
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,000
cleared up a little bit with the
Illinois, Michigan game. 

529
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,800
That happens on Thursday night. 
Depending on, when we post this,

530
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,500
it may have happened already but
it's Yeah, it's just a weird 

531
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:05,400
conference. 
It's a weird setup and I'm with 

532
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,800
you, I think the talent thing 
matters, but I also we've seen 

533
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:14,000
so little independent, like, 
examples since like the season 

534
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,200
really got going in Earnest. 
Certainly, we saw some teams 

535
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,700
play well on neutral courts, 
back in November and December, 

536
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:21,200
but I don't even know. 
We can take much out of that at 

537
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,900
this point. 
Yeah, I always, I always say 

538
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:25,500
November basketball to 
crapshoot. 

539
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:30,300
Like the teams now are so much 
different from from then, but 

540
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:35,100
yeah, it It to me, it this 
Indiana team reminds me of 

541
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:38,700
Michigan last year. 
Now better record but has a lot 

542
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:42,400
of talent has had some ups and 
downs, but can kind of put it 

543
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,000
together. 
I think Michigan was what like 

544
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,000
17 and 14 in the regular season 
last year, but they had talent 

545
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,600
and they were able to get to 
that second weekend. 

546
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,100
That's maybe I'm just talking 
myself into it well, but I do 

547
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:55,600
think there's some correlation 
there. 

548
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:56,800
Yeah. 
It's Amin Michigan. 

549
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,900
Last year was an interesting 
case because the kind of barely 

550
00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:02,600
made the field and largely made 
the Because they won at Iowa, 

551
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,900
they won at Ohio State, you 
know, and that kind of that got 

552
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:10,600
them over the hump even though 
they lost to Indiana in the Big 

553
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,200
Ten tournament in the first 
round. 

554
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,800
But yeah, I mean, I think 
there's some, there's some areas

555
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,600
to be made there. 
Even statistically like that, 

556
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,200
that was about a top-20 
offensive team from Michigan, 

557
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,900
and it was about, they were 74th
in kampong defensive efficiency 

558
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:25,800
and Indiana's. 
Not quite that bad but they've 

559
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,400
been so uneven defensively that,
you know, that I think they're 

560
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,800
ranking right now their 50th to 
Offensively. 

561
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,900
And that's a surprise given. 
How good the offensively they 

562
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:39,900
were last year? 
But maybe that's just kind of 

563
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,900
that. 
Maybe that is the best analog. 

564
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:43,000
I don't know. 
We'll have to wait and see how 

565
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,100
they perform defense. 
Even got their doors blown off 

566
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:47,200
of them by Iowa home in the last
week of the season. 

567
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,500
That's right. 
See all kinds of this what we 

568
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,500
wanted to be compared to 
Michigan under Juwan Howard? 

569
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,100
That's perfect God. 
Anyway. 

570
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:58,500
Well, we'll get you out of here 
with that and appreciate you 

571
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:00,900
taking the time to join us and 
looking forward. 

572
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,400
To chat with you as we find out 
who Indiana is going to be 

573
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,000
playing here over the next 
couple of weeks. 

574
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:06,600
Awesome. 
Appreciate it. 

575
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,500
And now joining us. 
Scott Caulfield back. 

576
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:16,300
Again, it's been a little bit. 
We've let we let things cool off

577
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:18,000
a little bit. 
After that Iowa game. 

578
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,100
We weren't sure what we were 
going to podcast immediately 

579
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:23,000
after the Iowa game or wait a 
little bit. 

580
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,100
I'm glad we waited at least from
my perspective because it's put 

581
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:27,600
things in a little more 
perspective. 

582
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,700
But what about you? 
Where are you at with things? 

583
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:34,800
Yeah, I've it's probably best. 
We did podcast that night. 

584
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,200
You know. 
Definitely things are not, I'll 

585
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,800
get to like like Five Points 
here. 

586
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,400
I'm not going to use them all in
the first open. 

587
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,000
Let me get two of them and then 
we'll kind of pitter-patter back

588
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,200
and forth. 
By this is a whole new Leaf 

589
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,200
being turned over by you. 
If you're not going to throw all

590
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,800
five points into the beginning 
here I'm trying I'm you know 40 

591
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,800
years in I'm trying to got went 
to his third podcasting lesson 

592
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,200
and and he's learned some 
things. 

593
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,500
Things that he didn't. 
He's like, oh wow, you need, I 

594
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:05,100
can separate my points out. 
Oh okay. 

595
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:06,600
Yeah, this is. 
This is great. 

596
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,900
I'm excited. 
The training was worth the money

597
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:11,100
that we spent. 
This is great, by the way. 

598
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:31,700
I haven't done it yet. 
Led by Tony, like I'm not gonna 

599
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:33,600
do that. 
But the one thing that really 

600
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,700
bugged me about that game being 
there, you know think of 

601
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:41,100
something you couldn't obviously
couldn't see if you weren't 

602
00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:44,300
there is there is like two times
in the second half where Woodson

603
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:48,200
called timeout was obviously 
pissed and just sent the team 

604
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,600
out and you know with liked he 
took like 20 seconds the time 

605
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,700
out and my joke is and I get it 
like you're probably like I'm 

606
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:58,400
telling you guys figure it out 
yourself and I always joke like 

607
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,200
you know you probably could talk
about something. 

608
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:02,600
Else, there's still a lot of 
time out left and you're down by

609
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,300
15. 
But I understand it's probably a

610
00:32:04,308 --> 00:32:07,800
message like you guys figure it 
out and it was really a bummer 

611
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,400
to see the team. 
Just everyone went in their 

612
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,700
positions to in like, cops on 
the far end. 

613
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:13,800
Inbound the ball. 
No one's talking to each other, 

614
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,400
they're just standing there. 
The the cheerleaders are like, 

615
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,100
you know, dancing around them 
and there's a part of me. 

616
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:23,000
It's like, where's these two 
points coalesce? 

617
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,900
Where's the leadership of 
somebody to pull? 

618
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:26,600
Like, all right, who's going to 
pull the team together? 

619
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,600
Just the Five Guys who are out 
there and just bring them 

620
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,100
together even just that. 
Hey, we are not Let this happen.

621
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,500
Let's get it down to 12. 
Like everyone just seemed 

622
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:39,900
comatose that bugged me and I 
also you know you look at this 

623
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:41,500
team. 
It's like you have two guys who 

624
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:44,200
played five years income or six 
years in college. 

625
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,200
You have a guy who's played five
years, you've got a guy who's 

626
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,500
played three years on your 
starting lineup. 

627
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,900
It is, you know, next year, when
we're a young team and we're 

628
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:54,900
talking about man, missing you 
can't, you can't expect the team

629
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:56,700
to come back and play. 
Well after a lot, you know, 

630
00:32:56,708 --> 00:32:58,900
after a big win with this kind 
of, you know, an experienced 

631
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:00,200
team, it's like well, it doesn't
happen. 

632
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:02,200
Two with experienced teams 
either. 

633
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:04,500
And that's kind of really 
frustrating to. 

634
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,600
Those are the kind of the two 
main level things that I left 

635
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,000
the game with, but it was really
that those two timeouts. 

636
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,600
Again, it's one little thing, 
but just that body language 

637
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:17,400
really, it was just kind of 
alarming that it felt like. 

638
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:19,600
After that sect, we talked at 
halftime. 

639
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,600
There was like a one minute span
where people seem to care and 

640
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,700
then it seemed like everybody 
kind of checked out. 

641
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:29,000
I'll just end with this is like 
12 minutes to go during one of 

642
00:33:29,008 --> 00:33:31,400
those timeouts and I'm like Tell
me the podium with them. 

643
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,400
Like I've never, I've never left
a game this early. 

644
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:38,200
Like I just I'm good, we should 
leave, but I've never lost a 

645
00:33:38,208 --> 00:33:39,900
game. 
This early, this nice old guy in

646
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:41,300
front of me. 
Who been talking though games 

647
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:44,000
kind of turns around. 
He's like son, you're excused 

648
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,700
and I guess like a minute. 
Thanks Dad. 

649
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,500
Yes, what's it? 
Got the tacit. 

650
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:51,100
He's like see coach. 
Don't want to be here. 

651
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:54,500
Either, is it? 
So I did leave at the Under 12? 

652
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,700
Let's so it's hilarious. 
Like Scott and I have this thing

653
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,000
when we're both at a game. 
Game generally with a couple of 

654
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,000
exceptions, we always meet at 
the same spot in the arena and 

655
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,699
you know, sometimes it's Scott 
and his dad sometimes it's Scott

656
00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:12,600
and a random friend. 
I sometimes think Scott has like

657
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,900
a friend Factory just for IU 
games that he'd like who will 

658
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:19,400
generate, you know, it's almost 
like a character creation thing 

659
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,600
and like Madden where, you know,
it's like oh, you know, if I'm 

660
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,199
gonna go with someone who's like
63 and you know, loves Michigan 

661
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:27,900
State this time or something 
like that. 

662
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:30,800
But no in all seriousness, you 
just Headband. 

663
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,699
Yeah, right. 
Yeah, sure. 

664
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,400
She's wearing that during the 
neck. 

665
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,800
Roll. 
Yeah, number 99 Jersey. 

666
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:40,100
Right? 
Yes, but, you know, Scott and I 

667
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:43,000
are talking at halftime of this 
game and there's other people, 

668
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,800
my wife's, there's some other 
people with us and Scott loves 

669
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,800
to pick up, on, whatever my vibe
is. 

670
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,900
And we talked for about two 
minutes and he looks at me like,

671
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:53,800
you're freaking me out because 
because, like, I had at that 

672
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,900
point, I had pretty much long 
since decided that the game was 

673
00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,100
over and I stuck around. 
I was like, well, we'll see. 

674
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,400
Hey, maybe they just had a bad 
half, they'll come back and like

675
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,200
you said, like the beginning of 
that second half, it looked like

676
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,500
they gave a shit for about a 
minute. 

677
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:12,600
And then, you know, they got the
lead down to, I think eight, 

678
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:14,400
they had a chance to get it down
to 6. 

679
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,600
The out of bounds play goes off 
of race Thompson allegedly and 

680
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,400
then Iowa comes down and then 
immediately pushes it back out 

681
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,600
to 18. 
It felt like they didn't. 

682
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,000
One-possession, I know they 
didn't, but it felt like it. 

683
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:29,000
And I looked at my wife and I'm 
like, we're getting out of here 

684
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,400
at the Under 12 And I felt, I 
never even wavered in that 

685
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,500
decision not because I, you 
know, I'm like a bad fan. 

686
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:41,300
I don't think and not because of
anything other than you could 

687
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:42,900
tell. 
At least, I could tell from the 

688
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:47,100
moment you walked into the 
arena, that it was a bad Vibe. 

689
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:49,600
Like the crowd was absolutely 
dead. 

690
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,800
The players looked absolutely 
dead. 

691
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,500
There was no energy. 
Everybody was I think still kind

692
00:35:55,500 --> 00:36:01,000
of drunk on the Purdue Victory 
and that was Fortunate. 

693
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,500
Because, you know, the few times
that I, you really look like 

694
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:08,800
they were going to do something 
noteworthy in the game, Iowa 

695
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,600
just was just came down, hit 
some shots. 

696
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,200
And, you know, the lack of 
attention to detail that I you 

697
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,500
had in the game was laid bare, 
consistently, you know, I'll say

698
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:23,800
this, the day of the game. 
I was more like shell-shocked 

699
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:25,700
than mad. 
It was. 

700
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:28,100
It's kind of like, you know, 
there's a difference between 

701
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,200
the, the kind of mad you Yet 
when someone like constantly is 

702
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,400
like annoying you and in your 
face, and eventually you just 

703
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,200
kind of erupted at them and the 
kind of mad when like, you know,

704
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,500
you're you're moving overseas 
and the shipping company, you 

705
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,000
know, you're watching them, 
bring your car off the ship with

706
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,600
like a crane and about halfway 
to the water. 

707
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,800
They just drop the whole thing 
into the ocean. 

708
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:53,800
I mean, you're mad, there it 
relatable, very relatable now, 

709
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,900
but you don't know what to do 
about it at that, what say, you 

710
00:36:55,908 --> 00:36:58,600
know, we're like, you know, or 
like you come home and you 

711
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:03,000
discover that like, Do a random,
like, you know, gas line 

712
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,100
explosion is like, taking out 
your garage. 

713
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:06,900
Like what are you gonna do? 
If you're mad. 

714
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:08,900
But it's like, I don't know how 
to react to this and that's 

715
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:11,900
essentially how I felt in the 
moment in. 

716
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,200
I don't know, I haven't lived it
through either of those 

717
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,600
experiences just to clarify with
the audience but this is called 

718
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,500
metaphor like we're trying to, 
you know, get get some kind of a

719
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:23,500
of a of a relatable situation 
here. 

720
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:26,900
I will say, I got a lot matter 
the day after the game and I 

721
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:31,800
think a lot of it ties into this
idea of Don't know exactly what 

722
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,000
to expect out of this group and 
I think that that is is honestly

723
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,900
the case with a lot of people 
where you get that, we're kind 

724
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:44,800
of an interesting era of fandom 
where there's it's just this. 

725
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,400
It's this constant flow of 
positivity. 

726
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,800
Everybody has to be nice to the 
players. 

727
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,000
Nice to the coaches. 
Nice to everybody, everybody's 

728
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,600
trying their best, everybody's 
putting out, you know, doing the

729
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:01,000
best that they can do. 
And you celebrate when Teams win

730
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,300
and when you lose, you're not 
supposed to get upset or at 

731
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:06,000
least not unreasonably. 
So you can be slightly critical,

732
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,700
then games like this happen, 
where it's just like no one 

733
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:12,500
showed up as you pointed out 
with the timeout, think? 

734
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:14,800
No one cared. 
Like there's no one trying to 

735
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,600
rally the troops, you know, 
Woodson is doing what you, what 

736
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,100
we've seen like, bob Knight 
people worship the ground that 

737
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,400
bob Knight walks on, Bob not 
used to do that all the time. 

738
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,000
You know, it'd be like well I'm 
not even going to call timeout, 

739
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:27,000
you jerks figure it out for 
yourself. 

740
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,500
Woodson in this kind of a game 
is like look I can't if i Can't 

741
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:32,500
motivate you. 
Coming out of the locker room. 

742
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:34,900
I'm not going to be able to 
motivate you standing on the 

743
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:36,800
sidelines when we're down by 18 
points. 

744
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,300
So you guys got to come up with 
something because if you don't 

745
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:42,000
believe if you don't care it's 
not going to matter. 

746
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:45,200
I think where I get the most 
irritated with this team is. 

747
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,700
Why are we still doing this on 
the 27th of February or 28th 

748
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:50,200
February whatever day? 
That was? 

749
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,400
Why is that a thing with this 
tea with this this veteran team 

750
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:58,500
you've got guys like Trace 
tracks and Davis and Miller cop 

751
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:02,600
who have started you know for 
Years worth of big, ten games, 

752
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,200
and Trace Jackson Davis at least
offensive ly did some stuff out 

753
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,100
there. 
But he was just as guilty as 

754
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:10,500
everybody was from a defensive 
perspective, and that's really 

755
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:13,900
what lost Indiana the game. 
And it's like, it makes it so 

756
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:18,300
that I feel foolish because I'm 
out here on the podcast saying, 

757
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,400
look, this is a different IU 
team. 

758
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,100
I know you've got PTSD from past
years. 

759
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:28,500
This looked as bad as any Archie
team looked in just shrinking 

760
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:32,700
from the moment and acting like,
They couldn't be bothered and 

761
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,300
when the other go on, yeah, 
sorry sorry that they also did 

762
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:38,200
things like I remember with 
right around that 12-minute 

763
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,200
timeout when you left eye but I 
was thinking like we have maybe 

764
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,000
like 15 more possessions. 
Yeah it's like we can and and 

765
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,800
the fact that you know, we took 
we took five threes in the 

766
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,800
second half but three of them 
were garbage times. 

767
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,100
We took two threes, you come 
out, you're dead. 

768
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,100
You'll Iowa took that 18 point. 
They made six threes. 

769
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,200
I think they took like six of 
eight or six of nine in the 

770
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:03,600
Second half they're up by 10 and
they tripled our output in 

771
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,700
threes. 
May they scored 18 more points 

772
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,700
on three pointers in the second 
half and that's that's the part 

773
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,600
that's frustrating me the most 
going out of this as like in the

774
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,600
second half, obviously, whatever
you did in the first half isn't 

775
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,600
working. 
You know, if your Woodson, why 

776
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,800
aren't you running some plays 
four? 

777
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,700
Threes, but to your point, like 
if your capri and you guys just 

778
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:23,900
take some threes like who cares?
Like they came down? 

779
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:26,200
They were running. 
Like, offensive sets of what the

780
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,300
hell are you doing? 
We're down by 24 points. 

781
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:32,700
It just Chuck some three. 
Well it can only help it. 

782
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:34,300
Can't get worse, this was 
something Tony. 

783
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:37,400
And I talked about earlier not 
so much like, I mean, it was 

784
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,500
partially the so the selection, 
but just like this team when 

785
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:44,100
they get down, as those of you 
who have been listening of 

786
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:47,700
already heard me say on this 
podcast it's like they have to 

787
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:49,900
go back to their security 
blanket and their security 

788
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:52,100
blanket is apparently taking 
contested twos. 

789
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,600
That's what makes them feel like
the best. 

790
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:58,400
And that's a large part of the 
offense is built around this 

791
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,100
idea that you're going to get 
the ball in the post. 

792
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:03,500
The problem is in a game like 
this, you have Shooters who can 

793
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:06,300
hit threes, if they're thinking 
about hitting them, but the 

794
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:08,800
mentality is not there. 
And that is where I think 

795
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,900
Woodson in this kind of a game 
deserves criticism because 

796
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:16,400
ultimately, when things break 
down and things are going to 

797
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,800
break down, particularly you get
to the NCAA tournament, getting 

798
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,800
the Big Ten Tournament, you're 
not going to have home court. 

799
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:23,800
You're not going to have crowds,
you're not gonna be able to feed

800
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,300
off that energy, and there's 
going to be stretches as we've 

801
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:30,200
seen all season with this IU 
team, where things don't work. 

802
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,300
Way that you're thinking that 
they're going to work. 

803
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:34,800
So what do you do? 
You can't keep doing the same 

804
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,600
thing that you're doing. 
Now that said in this game, I 

805
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,800
don't think it would have 
mattered because Indiana's 

806
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,300
defense was so terrible. 
You go back and you look through

807
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,700
this season. 
There's only been one game where

808
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:48,300
Indiana had worst defense and 
that was that game at Penn 

809
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:50,700
State. 
And as I mentioned to Tony 

810
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:52,600
earlier, it's real close like 
Penn State. 

811
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,100
Shot almost. 70% effective field
goal, percentage had 18 3s had 

812
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,900
an offensive rating of one 30.3 
in this game. 

813
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,900
I was shot 68 percent had 13 
threes and had an offensive 

814
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,700
rating of one. 
Thirty point one, so the go 

815
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:08,200
ahead. 
Oh, I know. 

816
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,200
And that's, you know, something 
I'm not picking on as listen to 

817
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,300
the assembly, call the drive 
home, after the game and 

818
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,600
rightfully, so after the game 
you can I get, you have to know,

819
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:18,900
coach coach Tucson. 
He was kind of saying, you've 

820
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:20,600
got to just, you know, put us 
out of your mind, but you gotta 

821
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,100
just put it out and get rid of 
which I understand that thought.

822
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,600
But this is the thing that's 
been bugging me as you look at 

823
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,900
the number of losses this year, 
and some of them have Reasons, 

824
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:34,000
they're like the Kansas game. 
That's a tough game, but let me 

825
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,300
just read through it. 
You know, the idea of like, well

826
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,600
this just it's a one-off. 
It's a bad fuel kids have bad, 

827
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,800
night's whatever. 
Okay, we lost your Rutgers by 

828
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,000
15, we lost to Arizona by 14, we
lost to Kansas by 22, the 

829
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,800
suspense 8 by 19, we like the 
game, you're mentioning loss to 

830
00:42:47,808 --> 00:42:52,000
Penn State, 19, Maryland, 11, oz
bad, but like just 3D a week 

831
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,100
ago, Michigan state, that was a 
15-point loss. 

832
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:58,600
And in this Iowa lost 22, that's
a lot of ass kickings, like 

833
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,100
that's just a lot of double 
digit. 

834
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:04,400
Losses. 
And it's so the idea of like 

835
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,400
this is just one this year that,
you know, just, you know, you 

836
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,000
flush it out and move on. 
You have the team has to do 

837
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,000
that. 
But for a fan, like, this is 

838
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,700
something where this is a 
feature of this team that they 

839
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:20,000
can just get their doors blown 
off at any time. 

840
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,600
And they've done it in a variety
of situations at a variety of 

841
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,000
points. 
This season they have, I will 

842
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,000
say this. 
I'm that dumb, I think for teams

843
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,500
like this IU team. 
Who have some flaws but that are

844
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:35,200
very clearly apparent. 
You're going to get that. 

845
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,300
I mean, TCU is a good example, 
TCU, they want hat Kansas, 

846
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:43,300
they've won at Baylor, but they 
also lost by 11 at Iowa State. 

847
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:48,300
They lost by 21 to Kansas State.
They lost by 92. 

848
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:50,200
West Virginia. 
I mean, they've had several 

849
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:55,200
games where they got, they lost 
by a pretty significant margin 

850
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:58,500
and I think you're going to get 
that sometimes with teams that 

851
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:03,000
don't have like, Aunt, players 
and depth. 

852
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,000
It's and that's not an excuse, 
but it is just something that 

853
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,200
happens to those sorts of teams.
And so I look at it and I say to

854
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,400
myself, that is very frustrating
because there's been other games

855
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,000
where Indiana's this season, you
know, they've been close, 

856
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,400
whether that was the 
Northwestern either, the 

857
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,900
Northwestern losses, the Iowa, 
lost the first time around, you 

858
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:26,600
know, it's not like, every time 
they lose, they get destroyed. 

859
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,500
But yeah, it does. 
A lot of them out there, but it 

860
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,600
does You think that you bring up
a really good point and it's 

861
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:39,200
that this team is oddly fragile 
mentally and they're not all the

862
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,600
time, fragile, mentally. 
And that's why I say oddly like 

863
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,900
it's not like this is a 
mentally, fragile team, you're 

864
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:47,600
not going to be mentally, 
fragile team and when you know, 

865
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,200
11 of 15 games which is what 
this team has done since mid 

866
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,600
February and that includes, you 
know, two wins against Purdue, a

867
00:44:54,607 --> 00:44:57,400
win against Rutgers, a win at a 
low. 

868
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,100
Two wins against Illinois, 
including a 15-point win there. 

869
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,900
Or whatever that was 15. 
Yeah, but it's like, when they 

870
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:06,700
get mentally fragile, they get 
really mentally fragile. 

871
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:11,600
They just they fall to pieces. 
And I think that's, it's one of 

872
00:45:11,607 --> 00:45:16,600
those things that's hard to get,
like significantly angry about, 

873
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,600
because it doesn't happen every 
time. 

874
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,400
But it is something to get 
concerned about, and I think 

875
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,500
what I feel now and and of kind 
of felt a little bit on and off 

876
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:30,100
is it's the end? 
The unpredictability? 

877
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:31,900
Of knowing when that's going to 
happen. 

878
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:34,600
And what's going to trigger? 
It really is hard to get your 

879
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,100
head wrapped around. 
And I think for IU fans, you 

880
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:42,800
should overall I think probably 
Embrace this season and it's and

881
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,700
its overall successes and say, 
wow, this has been great. 

882
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:49,400
We've had a competitive relevant
basketball team for essentially 

883
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,800
the entire season despite 
injuries, despite a really tough

884
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,800
schedule in the conference. 
And yet, it's hard to get really

885
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,800
comfortable with this team 
because they've had just enough 

886
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,800
of these types of losses. 
Has where you're just like, I 

887
00:46:01,808 --> 00:46:04,600
don't trust you and I want to 
trust you and I want to like 

888
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,400
fully Embrace what you're doing 
and I want to believe every time

889
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,100
you go out onto the floor, that 
things are going to work out. 

890
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:13,700
And yet, it doesn't happen that 
way enough times to really ever 

891
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:18,600
be able to fully feel that way. 
So I'm getting Vibes of and, and

892
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,300
honestly, this is where, you 
know, it's a little bit 

893
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:24,500
different because the let me get
my the full like thought here 

894
00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:26,100
out. 
But you know, 2013 had different

895
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:29,700
expectations but I didn't I 
didn't say it. 

896
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:33,100
I think on the podcast at that 
point, I might have mentioned it

897
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:35,400
2016. 
I will mention what I'm feeling 

898
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,500
now now, but in 2013 I had a 
very similar feeling. 

899
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,400
We're that team was on a roll. 
And then, you know, they won 

900
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,900
that game at Michigan State. 
Like oh, People stole it, 

901
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:50,000
inbounds pet inbounds pass, 
like, had a layout arms. 

902
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,300
Like this is a different kind of
team that team went on to lose 

903
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:55,700
your to of the next four. 
They lost the game at home 

904
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:59,300
against Ohio State, they, you 
know, struggled in the 

905
00:46:59,308 --> 00:47:00,800
tournament. 
They lost to Wisconsin. 

906
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,800
And then they really mean 
quietly, struggled a lot against

907
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,900
temple in the second round, 
didn't really blow out James 

908
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:08,000
Madison, the first round. 
And then, as we all remember, 

909
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,500
lost to Syracuse and it was that
stretch right after the 

910
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:14,400
Minnesota Ohio State loss for, 
I'm just like something feels 

911
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:16,300
wrong. 
Like, this doesn't feel like The

912
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:17,800
team. 
And what was frustrating about 

913
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,800
that year was they had it all in
their hands. 

914
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:25,300
They had the big ten, they could
lock it up at home on senior 

915
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:28,200
night and probably get the 
number one seed in the midwest, 

916
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,400
which was the Indianapolis 
region at that time and they let

917
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,200
Louisville have that region. 
Not not that maybe would that 

918
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,200
change anything but like that. 
But I had that feeling at that 

919
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:42,100
point at the same time you know 
in 2013 I will also look at 2016

920
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:45,500
as an example. 
That's a team where you and I 

921
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,700
famously do. 
Really buy in for most of the 

922
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:49,600
year that I remember, you know, 
they win the Big Ten and it's 

923
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,900
like they have that win at Iowa 
and I'm like, okay I'm in like 

924
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:55,600
I'm in a buy-in on this team and
then all of a sudden, it's like,

925
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:56,600
okay now we're going to lose the
Michigan. 

926
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,100
The first round of the Big Ten 
tournament and it's like that's 

927
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:01,500
another kick in the teeth of 
that team. 

928
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:03,200
Probably did what it was 
supposed to be. 

929
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,400
They be Kentucky in the 
tournament but then got their 

930
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,700
doors blown off by North 
Carolina in the sweet 16 and 

931
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:11,500
maybe that's the fate of this 
team. 

932
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:15,700
But it's like that's now where I
feel like we're at where this 

933
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:18,700
team will. 
I'll do something but it's like 

934
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:21,800
this is going to come up and 
bite Us in the ass at some point

935
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,000
in the next three to four weeks.
I mean, it might have anyway, 

936
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,600
that's the thing. 
And this is this is where yeah, 

937
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:32,600
again, I think to some degree, 
it's like this team has the 

938
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,100
talent and the ability to make a
final four. 

939
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:40,300
Like they just they do they do. 
But they also brought almost 

940
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:46,100
certainly will not because of 
how inconsistent they are in 

941
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:49,600
effort and an execution. 
And I think that that is 

942
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,300
something that, you know, they 
can be much better than they 

943
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:57,100
have been with. 
They are, they can be relevant 

944
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,300
where, which they are in, which 
they have not been, they can 

945
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:03,800
have two first-round draft 
picks, which they do and they 

946
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,500
haven't in the past and they can
still be a team that you just 

947
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:11,900
need to guard your heart with 
because you just don't know what

948
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:14,200
you're going to get now. 
It's like both of the times that

949
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,100
you, you know, they're both the 
things you mentioned earlier, 

950
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:19,500
those Seasons, you know, 2013 
like that was a bona fide top 

951
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:24,100
five team and you know, it kind 
of mentally and physically. 

952
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,700
Ali fell apart for them and they
ran into exactly the wrong 

953
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:29,000
opponent and they didn't do 
themselves any favors. 

954
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,100
But let's give you said there 
were signs leading up to that. 

955
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:37,100
That it wasn't necessarily going
to be a cakewalk to the final 

956
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:39,800
four in 2016. 
It's like you don't even know 

957
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,100
what to expect because, you 
know, as you said like you can't

958
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,000
it's hard to get your head 
wrapped around where you can 

959
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,100
lose to Michigan in the Big Ten 
Tournament, you lost to Penn 

960
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:52,400
State earlier that, you know, in
February who wasn't a very good 

961
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,100
team, you're going to beat 
Kentucky. 

962
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,900
And Kentucky was like 
legitimately good that year and 

963
00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:59,100
then you just get destroyed by 
North Carolina, it's like hard 

964
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,800
to get your head wrapped around 
what exactly do expect there. 

965
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,000
But Indiana I think this year is
almost coming at it from the 

966
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,100
opposite side. 
They're not coming at it there 

967
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,700
almost there. 
More of a hunter in that they're

968
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:14,600
they're not on top. 
They're not being chased by 

969
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,800
other teams there in this morass
of of teams in the Big Ten, all 

970
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,400
of whom have had similar issues 
and some of it is, as we've 

971
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,600
talked about on the Podcast 
trying to get over the mental. 

972
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,300
Hump of the, you know, just the 
extended season and all the 

973
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:32,300
games you play. 
And the kind of just, you know, 

974
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:35,800
the the The NeverEnding slog of 
the Big Ten in January and 

975
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,800
February. 
We've seen a lot of good moments

976
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,500
when this team is properly 
motivated. 

977
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:43,900
Like they were against Purdue 
where you're like, this this is 

978
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:48,200
why this team was ranked in the 
top 15 to start the season and 

979
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,600
why this team was projected to 
be the Big Ten Champion. 

980
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,100
But then you see games like 
this, Iowa game and you're like,

981
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:57,700
alright, what am I getting? 
AR are we really going to get 

982
00:50:57,700 --> 00:50:59,900
the game that they played at 
Purdue or the game? 

983
00:50:59,900 --> 00:51:02,200
They played at home against 
Purdue if they're not playing 

984
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:07,700
Purdue that seems unlikely. 
So I worry in the Big Ten 

985
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:11,700
Tournament if this team draws 
against a team that they don't 

986
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:14,500
get fired up by or a team like 
Iowa that just for whatever 

987
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:17,100
reason seems to give Mike, 
Woodson fits. 

988
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:19,100
It's funny. 
Like he's, he's three-in-one 

989
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:21,600
against Purdue and he hasn't 
beaten Iowa so far. 

990
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,100
It's been his time as head 
coach. 

991
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:26,700
It's I got to make a lot of 
sense, you know? 

992
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:28,700
But that's that's kind of how 
things have set up. 

993
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,100
Same thing with like, he 
struggled against Northwestern, 

994
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,400
but he's beating Michigan 
regularly. 

995
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,600
Now, I don't totally understand 
what works and doesn't work in 

996
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,900
terms of Woodson in this era of 
IU basketball, but I do know 

997
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:46,900
that it's, if you're frustrated 
as an IU fan, you know, might 11

998
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:48,200
against Michigan but yeah. 
Sorry. 

999
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,500
We know, they, they want to they
won last year in the Big Ten 

1000
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:52,900
Tournament against Michigan as 
well. 

1001
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:53,600
Did they not? 
Okay. 

1002
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,400
Yeah. 
The two in a row. 

1003
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,400
Hey, come on, let's give them 
some credit. 

1004
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,800
But ultimately, I think that 
it's a team that you should be 

1005
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,000
excited about watching because 
they could put on a great 

1006
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,800
performance and yet, they've 
struggled so much as they've 

1007
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,000
slog through this season to 
maintain that and build on it, 

1008
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,700
and really grow into something 
bigger than what they were a 

1009
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:20,400
month ago. 
Like they're about the same team

1010
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,700
that beat Purdue the first time,
and I don't know, That that's 

1011
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:27,500
necessarily going to change. 
I also don't know what it's 

1012
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,200
going to mean in the Big Ten 
Tournament. 

1013
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,200
I don't know what it's going to 
mean in the NCAA tournament 

1014
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,100
because all of the teams in the 
Big Ten, I have no clue what to 

1015
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:37,000
make of them away from their 
home floors. 

1016
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:38,800
You know. 
It's just it's a it's the 

1017
00:52:38,808 --> 00:52:41,700
strangest thing to try to parse 
out is Indiana. 

1018
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:46,100
Actually good is, is you know, 
Northwestern actually good is, 

1019
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,800
you know, any of these teams 
actually good? 

1020
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,100
Or are they just like good at 
home with the exception? 

1021
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:52,400
Of course of Indiana playing 
Iowa. 

1022
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,300
This week, like, are they act? 
Where are they? 

1023
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:56,100
Good or not. 
How is that going to fare? 

1024
00:52:56,300 --> 00:53:00,900
And at this point I have no clue
and this is kind of, you know, 

1025
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,600
my final thought but I kind of 
you know, final thought on this 

1026
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,900
is that you know as I was 
driving home today thinking of 

1027
00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:12,300
what we're going to talk about 
that, you know, really this next

1028
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:15,100
three weeks were really 
important because it's going to 

1029
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:17,600
be about Legacy and it's kind of
guy, you know, shit. 

1030
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,000
But what I mean by that is that 
right now we're all having these

1031
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,400
discussions under the assumption
of what you said is, like this 

1032
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,600
team could be a final. 40. 
And it's probably not but it had

1033
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,500
that cement is still wet. 
Like it hasn't happened. 

1034
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:30,200
Yet. 
We don't know. 

1035
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:35,100
And, you know, the legacy of I 
don't get deep on like, tracing 

1036
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:38,200
the legacy of this team is 
really going to be set by what 

1037
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,500
happens next couple weeks 
because like, you know, last 

1038
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:41,800
year is like, oh yeah. 
We beat Purdue. 

1039
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,200
And then we kind of chalk up 
like we lost the st. 

1040
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,300
Mary's. 
Because of a lot of factors that

1041
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:48,000
you know, travel and that be we 
want to game. 

1042
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,700
We kind of did all that great. 
If you know there's scenarios I 

1043
00:53:50,707 --> 00:53:52,900
was thinking like imagine if we 
go like you know, we beat 

1044
00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:55,500
Michigan, we go 10. 
One in the Big Ten tournament 

1045
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:57,800
and then we lose the first round
of the NCAA tournament. 

1046
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,800
Like I think the season takes a 
much different Hue than we have 

1047
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,500
right now because right now, 
it's like we're under the 

1048
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:07,100
expectation of we're going to be
a protected seed and I think, 

1049
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:08,300
like, many people are thinking, 
right? 

1050
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:10,800
At least, you know, we have a 
matchup in the, you know, around

1051
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,400
the 32 maybe Swing Low, Sweet 
Sixteen. 

1052
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,000
Like we're kind of assuming a 
lot of different things. 

1053
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,900
If we go 1 and 1 and then 1 and 
1 in both, the next two 

1054
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:22,300
tournaments, is that going to be
thought of as a success if we 

1055
00:54:22,308 --> 00:54:25,600
get blown out by the 5 seat, We 
have one of these type of 

1056
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,200
performances against an Iowa 
against you like Iowa state in 

1057
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,300
the second round and we just 
lose my 22 how and I'm not I'm 

1058
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:36,000
not I don't know the answer but 
I'm just saying that's going to 

1059
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:39,000
radically change how we 
reviewing things when as we sit 

1060
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,900
here right now myself included 
you look at this team and the 

1061
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,300
Specter of a final four is out 
there for the first time in 

1062
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:50,100
probably like 12 years words 
like this team could make a 

1063
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:53,200
final four. 
It probably most likely won't 

1064
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,700
but every other year It's like, 
well, we know they won't because

1065
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:59,400
they're not in the turnaround. 
It's like at least this year, 

1066
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,700
like you're protected seed, 
that's a great place to start. 

1067
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:06,800
And I think that's allowing 
people to not like, you know, 

1068
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:07,900
Iowa. 
All right. 

1069
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:09,100
Push it off. 
Like they're still there, still 

1070
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:11,300
more ahead. 
We're getting real close to the 

1071
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:13,800
end here. 
And but I'm just saying, like 

1072
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,200
the legacy of this team Legacy 
of Trace. 

1073
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,800
All these things are going to be
set real quick, and that's what 

1074
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,800
does concern me is like, if they
put in one of these, in a round 

1075
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,300
of 32, Game or God forbid the 
first round the tournament. 

1076
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,600
I think it's going to sting a 
lot more and it's going to 

1077
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,700
retroactively kind of change how
we view all of these things 

1078
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:39,800
because that 2016 season changes
a lot more if you just replace 

1079
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,900
that. 
And I know we won but like let's

1080
00:55:41,900 --> 00:55:45,400
just say that team lost by 15 to
Kentucky in the second round of 

1081
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,100
the NCAA tournament. 
Suddenly It's like, well, that 

1082
00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:50,200
was to be one of the Big Ten 
title that year but it's like 

1083
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,900
you lose the first round of the 
Big Ten Tournament. 

1084
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:54,200
You get me a boat race. 
The second is like, anyway, that

1085
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:56,500
Is my thought is like, and 
obviously, if they do the 

1086
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:59,100
reverse, they go to the final 
four, all of this as a moot 

1087
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:00,000
point, it's just like, all 
right. 

1088
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,600
Well, that was you know, we were
wrong and things broke our way. 

1089
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,500
But it's, there's a negative 
aspect to this where things 

1090
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:08,000
could turn poorly. 
Yeah, and really change the 

1091
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,400
Legacy. 
And that's the thing is like 

1092
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:14,100
that's on the line here and it's
what's concerning is, there was 

1093
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:16,400
so much on the line and that 
Iowa game, like, you had 

1094
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,500
everything in your hand, you 
controlled everything. 

1095
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:22,800
You could really help positively
help your own narrative and help

1096
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,700
you push yourself into. 
Buh-bye territory into a three 

1097
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:28,000
seasons, like you just, you 
pissed all that away. 

1098
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,800
You didn't seem to fight for it 
at all and that's what's a 

1099
00:56:31,808 --> 00:56:34,600
little bit concerning here. 
Like this, these next, two to 

1100
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,000
three weeks, you're going to 
have moments where it's all in 

1101
00:56:37,008 --> 00:56:39,400
the line. 
The legacy is on the line and 

1102
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,600
how much you're going to fight 
for it. 

1103
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,700
It's one of the, it's an odd 
psychological Quirk of this 

1104
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:47,900
group of players. 
And you know, it's partially 

1105
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:51,300
Mike Woodson's players and it's 
partially Archie Miller's 

1106
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:55,700
players and it's just been part 
of The way that this program is 

1107
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:58,200
operated, I mean it last year's 
a great example. 

1108
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:05,000
So last year, Indiana is staring
at nit bid in the face and they 

1109
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,800
somehow find it within 
themselves to Rally in the 

1110
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,300
second half of that, Michigan 
game. 

1111
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:12,000
They come back and they win. 
They play this area the face and

1112
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,200
they come out flat, like that's 
why are they there staring in 

1113
00:57:14,207 --> 00:57:16,700
the face and they come out like 
this flat for 10 minutes, right?

1114
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:18,300
Right. 
Well, it kept 30 minutes really 

1115
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:22,400
25 minutes and but then they 
rally, they beat Illinois. 

1116
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,200
They almost beat Iowa and Then 
they beat Wyoming in a game, you

1117
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,800
know, in a play-in game that 
they had to have and then 

1118
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,300
they're leading st. 
Mary's 1814 with 10 minutes left

1119
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:35,800
in the first half. 
And then, I mean, you know, that

1120
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,900
the, from the end of the first 
half to the middle of the second

1121
00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:42,000
half, they a lot of 34, 25 run 
and it just feels like paper bag

1122
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,000
well in full sun. 
But I think it's fascinating 

1123
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,200
because it's like this team, it 
does feel like and I think the 

1124
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,400
parallel can be drawn with what 
happens with the Purdue game. 

1125
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,300
You know, they go over to Purdue
not everybody's giving them a 

1126
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:53,600
chance. 
They haven't wanted Mackey in a 

1127
00:57:53,607 --> 00:57:56,000
decade. 
They'd they slay that Dragon, 

1128
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:58,600
they win. 
You know, they beat Purdue, and 

1129
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,900
it's like we accomplished 
something and then they just let

1130
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:07,600
their guard down immediately. 
And that is essentially what set

1131
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,400
the table for the Iowa 
performance where they just came

1132
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,400
out and looked like they had 
nothing left to play for. 

1133
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,300
Whereas they very much did like 
they win that game and there 

1134
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:19,700
with what happened earlier this 
week, they're sitting in the 

1135
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:23,200
driver's seat for a 2 seed in 
the Big Ten tournament without 

1136
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,800
any question and It instead and 
that's the thing is like that's 

1137
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,800
where it's like again, I go back
to that time out. 

1138
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,800
Sorry to interrupt like it's 
like at some point somebody 

1139
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,900
should have let him know like 
hey it's not realistic but like 

1140
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,400
we went out Purdue loses out. 
We win the Big Ten title, right?

1141
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,800
Yeah like I'm like they like as 
of Tuesday night, we still had a

1142
00:58:41,808 --> 00:58:45,300
chance to get a CO Big Ten title
as wild as that sounds. 

1143
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,100
It was like it was on the table.
Sorry. 

1144
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,600
And it just felt like it is it 
seemed like the teams and I 

1145
00:58:50,607 --> 00:58:52,900
again I don't know what their 
actual mental state was but 

1146
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:55,500
looking at their reactions. 
He's looking at their actions. 

1147
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:59,400
It was like, well, we've done 
what we need to do and that is 

1148
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,900
probably the one thing that 
would concern me the most. 

1149
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,400
I mean, it's almost to the point
where it's like, if you want 

1150
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,900
Indiana to do well in the NCAA 
tournament, are they better off 

1151
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:11,500
losing on senior night? 
Or are they better off losing in

1152
00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:13,700
the first round of the Big Ten 
Tournament? 

1153
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,600
Because at least, then it's 
like, well, we got something to 

1154
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,100
prove and now, we're, we got our
backs against the wall and 

1155
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:21,700
nobody believes in is like 
Sacramento or something and get 

1156
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:24,100
a succeed, you know, really 
screwed. 

1157
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:28,700
Don't I mean again you know on 
the one hand I think it's unfair

1158
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,500
to be overly critical of this 
team for one performance because

1159
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,200
you know coming back from being 
one and four in the conference 

1160
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,600
to where they're at. 
Has shown a lot of moxie and 

1161
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,200
they've won some games that you 
wouldn't have expected them to 

1162
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:47,000
win and they've done some things
that I think belie the the 

1163
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,700
well-worn statement that this 
team is like soft, but I do 

1164
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:53,700
think that it's not so much that
they're soft, but this team gets

1165
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:56,900
incredibly. 
Be complacent sometimes about 

1166
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:59,400
themselves about what they need 
to do and about what they've 

1167
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,500
accomplished. 
And at the end of the day, they 

1168
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,700
haven't accomplished anything. 
They've made barely made one, 

1169
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:07,200
NCAA tournament in the last five
years. 

1170
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:11,400
They've, they're going to end up
probably not with a double by in

1171
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,600
the Big Ten this year in a 
season. 

1172
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,400
Where? 
Yes, they dealt with injuries 

1173
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,100
but they also they gave away a 
game at Iowa. 

1174
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:20,600
They gave away a game against 
Northwestern at home. 

1175
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,600
They gave away game at 
Northwestern. 

1176
01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:26,000
They could be Big Ten champs. 
Right now, we're close to it. 

1177
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:28,100
If they had just taken care of 
business. 

1178
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:31,800
You know, the Devil by Big Ten 
Tournament is cracks me up 

1179
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,800
because it's like we talk about 
it as if like it's like put up a

1180
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,100
banner, I know. 
No, it's like, no, it's so 

1181
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:37,200
alone. 
Oh no, it's true. 

1182
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,700
It's like, you know, it's like 
people used to make fun of our 

1183
01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:42,600
sins anger, who was the manager 
of Arsenal, in the Premier 

1184
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,700
League because, you know, he one
point that he in the Tottenham 

1185
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:48,500
even in the Premier League, when
you finish in the top four, you 

1186
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:50,800
get a Champions League spot 
which means like a lot more 

1187
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,400
money and you're playing in the 
main competition in Europe and 

1188
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,700
what anger at some point said 
something along the lines of we 

1189
01:00:56,700 --> 01:01:00,200
know fourth place is essentially
a trophy which it's absolutely 

1190
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,200
not you know yes you get into 
the champions league but that's 

1191
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,400
not a trophy and that's kind of 
how like oh a double by. 

1192
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,500
It's essentially the top four 
finish in the Premier League of 

1193
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:12,300
the Big Ten. 
And yeah, I mean it's at least 

1194
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:15,900
something. 
But what what concerns me about 

1195
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:22,900
this team is I just don't think 
that you can count on them in 

1196
01:01:22,900 --> 01:01:25,300
pressure spots and Really the 
last hurdle. 

1197
01:01:25,300 --> 01:01:27,800
I feel like this particular 
group has to demonstrate that 

1198
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,100
they can overcome. 
Is this idea that when in bad 

1199
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:34,200
situations, where things are 
going against them that they can

1200
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,000
Galvanize themselves to really 
perform, it's all pressure from 

1201
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,800
here on out. 
It is well that and then and so 

1202
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,700
maybe that's good, you know? 
Because last year the pressure 

1203
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:45,800
was getting into the tournament 
and you're getting into the 

1204
01:01:45,808 --> 01:01:48,800
proper tournament like not being
in the play-in game and they did

1205
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,500
that. 
And so maybe, you know you but 

1206
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:55,000
that's where this becomes 
problematic with This Iowa game 

1207
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,500
because there's just, there's 
nothing that you could say about

1208
01:01:57,500 --> 01:02:00,600
the way Indiana played in that 
game that would excuse the way 

1209
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,000
that Indiana played in that 
game. 

1210
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:03,900
Just. 
Nothing. 

1211
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:07,400
And and that ultimately, the 
explanations afterwards were 

1212
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,400
weak. 
Woodson had nothing to say. 

1213
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,700
You could tell, he was 
incredibly frustrated and I 

1214
01:02:11,707 --> 01:02:13,900
don't look, I mean, people want 
to criticize Woodson. 

1215
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:15,000
That's fine. 
I don't know what you're 

1216
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,600
supposed to do there in that 
particular situation as a coach 

1217
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:20,300
oh yeah. 
When your team just basically 

1218
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:25,000
pumps the whole game away from 
the get-go and and so Anyway, we

1219
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,800
had some questions. 
I wanted to get to from the 

1220
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,400
audience that are in a similar 
vein here. 

1221
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,700
One of them was actually right 
in line with what you asked and 

1222
01:02:31,707 --> 01:02:36,700
this was from from buff Komodo. 
Assuming a win versus Michigan. 

1223
01:02:36,700 --> 01:02:40,300
Should Indiana fans be satisfied
with this season. 

1224
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:42,900
So let's put the put. 
The will put put the tournament 

1225
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:47,300
aside if Indiana wins against 
Michigan, they will finish the 

1226
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:49,800
season 21 and 10 and 12 and 
eight overall. 

1227
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,400
Is that something that Indiana 
fans should be satisfied? 

1228
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,500
Getting all the variables in 
this Ezel. 

1229
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:04,100
That's a great question. 
I would say a very slight know, 

1230
01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:09,600
like, I'm talking like 55% over,
45% knowing. 

1231
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:14,000
And I only say that because you 
could go back and look and say, 

1232
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,000
all right, you know, if we 
started the year, you know, I 

1233
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,300
would take, you know, tied for 
third in the big, you know, tie 

1234
01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:20,600
for third in the Big Ten that 
record, you know, given the 

1235
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,500
injuries like you probably take 
that but the journey is Part of 

1236
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:26,700
it there. 
And there was you know, there 

1237
01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:28,500
was a couple games that could 
have been wins couple games that

1238
01:03:28,508 --> 01:03:31,800
could have been losses but just 
as you mention as a lot of games

1239
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,100
that it feels like, you know, I 
can't say like that, Iowa game 

1240
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:39,800
was close, but it's like felt 
like we didn't even show like 

1241
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,600
it's almost worse than a two 
point loss. 

1242
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,500
Where you're like, I love wish 
you could play that again 

1243
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:47,000
because I'd love to actually 
have my controller hooked up and

1244
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,300
not be like pay playing, you 
know, Nintendo with my PS2 

1245
01:03:50,300 --> 01:03:52,000
controller, just like nothing's 
working. 

1246
01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:56,700
So I leave The season kind of 
being a little bit like, damn, 

1247
01:03:56,700 --> 01:03:59,800
we were really close to doing 
something special in this team. 

1248
01:04:00,100 --> 01:04:04,100
Probably could have done it, or 
had they just closed out at Iowa

1249
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:07,000
or, you know, not gotten down so
much at Northwestern. 

1250
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:12,300
So I are very slightly toward. 
It's a bit of a disappointment, 

1251
01:04:12,700 --> 01:04:15,300
interesting. 
I mean, I look at it like this. 

1252
01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:19,000
I think you have to take the 
injuries into account, not just 

1253
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,300
the Xavier Johnson injury. 
You have to take the jail and 

1254
01:04:21,300 --> 01:04:24,100
Ruffino injury and in December 
into account as well. 

1255
01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:26,600
You have to take the race 
Thompson injury into account. 

1256
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,400
I have a hard time seeing it as 
a disappointment given that 

1257
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:37,300
Indiana was projected to 
probably win at best. 

1258
01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:40,800
Like let's say let's assume 
Indiana wins the Big 10. 

1259
01:04:41,300 --> 01:04:45,400
Maybe, you know, the expectation
would be what 14 and 6 in the 

1260
01:04:45,408 --> 01:04:48,200
conference, okay? 
So if they finish 12 and 8, 

1261
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,100
they're going to finish two 
games under that, you know? 

1262
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:53,300
Maybe they would have been 
expected to win one more 

1263
01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:56,100
non-conference. 
Game than they did. 

1264
01:04:56,900 --> 01:04:59,000
I don't look at that as a 
disappointment, you know. 

1265
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,600
And I think that over why it's, 
that's why it's just slight, 

1266
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:02,600
right? 
I understand. 

1267
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,100
You know, but but overall I 
think Indiana fans should look 

1268
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:09,800
at this as a big step forward 
for the program overall. 

1269
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,600
And I know a lot of people 
probably don't want to think 

1270
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,700
about it that way and honestly, 
you know, of course, if they 

1271
01:05:13,700 --> 01:05:16,700
lose to Michigan, that's, you're
not going to get people thinking

1272
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:21,400
that way. 
But I will say that, you know, 

1273
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:26,900
the way that I you Battled back 
after a tough, start in January 

1274
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:30,500
and got over 500 in the Big 10 
which they're going to have 

1275
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:32,400
regardless of what happens in 
this Michigan game. 

1276
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,900
For the first time since 2016, 
you don't want a nest, you know,

1277
01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:38,000
we're Indiana, right? 
You don't want to look at those 

1278
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,400
as like accomplishments and yet 
they absolutely are 

1279
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,000
accomplishments because of how 
bad this programs been for as 

1280
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,600
long as it's been, you know, 
when you look at this roster, I 

1281
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,100
think the one disappointment I 
will have on the season and 

1282
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:54,000
again injuries have to be taken 
into account. 

1283
01:05:54,100 --> 01:05:56,100
Account. 
The one disappointment I've got 

1284
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,800
in the season and this will 
basically be the case whether or

1285
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:03,300
not any Anna wins or loses is 
how disappointing the bench and 

1286
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:05,800
the depth development of this 
team has been. 

1287
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:09,100
I mean it because at the end of 
the day Indiana and and Mike 

1288
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:13,100
Woodson have managed to pull 
this off with essentially six 

1289
01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:15,200
players. 
They pull that. 

1290
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,400
You know I say to well two main 
ones but look I think you've got

1291
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,300
to give. 
I think you can give Miller cop 

1292
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:24,000
credit for finally developing a 
new a reliable, you know. 

1293
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,300
Fourth option. 
Trey Galloway's absolutely 

1294
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:27,900
developed. 
I'm really excited to see what 

1295
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:30,500
he does in his last two years. 
Jalen's Ruffino has been 

1296
01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:32,400
awesome. 
Tres Jackson, Davis has been 

1297
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,400
awesome and race Thompson. 
You know, despite the injury has

1298
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,600
been serviceable to good in most
cases, he's defended. 

1299
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,300
Well, he's picked up garbage 
stuff on the apis on the 

1300
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:45,500
offensive end opposite from 
Trace where I'm disappointed is,

1301
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,800
you know, Malik renew, kind of 
had a weird up and down here and

1302
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,500
then, essentially as Flatline, 
the last six weeks and Tamar 

1303
01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:55,700
Bates has been essentially We a 
nonentity for the last two 

1304
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:59,800
months and you know, Caleb Banks
has contributed a little bit and

1305
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,200
that's been cool to see but he's
still so young and he just can't

1306
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,800
give a whole lot Logan dunk him.
Never develop Jordan geronimo's 

1307
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:08,700
essentially not been on the 
team. 

1308
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,700
It feels like since that injury 
that he suffered earlier where 

1309
01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:15,100
he just like his minutes have 
dropped so significant because 

1310
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:17,600
can't keep them on the floor and
CJ gun. 

1311
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:20,800
Looks like he's a year and a 
half away from contributing and 

1312
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:25,400
and that certainly you can you 
can A you know, you can blame 

1313
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,800
coaches for that. 
You can blame players for not 

1314
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,900
developing, I'm just generally 
kind of disappointed that we 

1315
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:35,300
haven't seen more contributions 
from more people and I do worry 

1316
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:38,400
a little bit about that in terms
of the context of the season. 

1317
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,600
But overall, I'm pretty pleased 
with what Indiana has been able 

1318
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,900
to accomplish given all of the 
factors involved. 

1319
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:47,700
But I think this is one of those
things where everybody's going 

1320
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:48,800
to take have their own take 
away. 

1321
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,800
And for a lot of people, they're
not going to be able to cut off 

1322
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:53,700
their thoughts on the season, 
based upon what happens at the 

1323
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:55,900
end of the Regular season, and I
think it's understandable 

1324
01:07:55,900 --> 01:07:57,700
action, but it's a great 
question, but yeah. 

1325
01:07:57,700 --> 01:08:02,000
Like in the end, what happens in
the next three weeks is going to

1326
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,000
affect that answer. 
Just greatly csw. 

1327
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,500
Hoosier asks, what is the key to
getting this team to performing 

1328
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:10,300
consistently? 
Is it on the coaches? 

1329
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:12,400
The players both? 
Is it an attitude thing? 

1330
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,100
Is it a fatigue thing? 
I'm just scratching my head at 

1331
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:18,300
this team, such a high ceiling 
but man, they love to find their

1332
01:08:18,300 --> 01:08:21,800
floor at Key moments. 
I mean, to me, the key with this

1333
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:28,000
team is they They have to have 
that to be engaged emotionally 

1334
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:34,100
with what they're doing and they
have to find some success on the

1335
01:08:34,100 --> 01:08:37,700
defensive end early, but those 
seem to be the two keys and I 

1336
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:42,700
don't know, I don't even think 
it's one of those things where 

1337
01:08:42,899 --> 01:08:45,899
you can necessarily tell going 
in because I mean, honestly, 

1338
01:08:45,899 --> 01:08:49,000
like I'm shocked this team beat,
Purdue twice. 

1339
01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:51,000
I really am. 
You know? 

1340
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,899
And I'm shocked that they dug in
and beat Rutgers the way. 

1341
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:56,000
That that game was going. 
It looked like Rutgers was going

1342
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,600
to pull it off at the end. 
Like they've accomplished 

1343
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,399
several things, this season the 
Illinois game at home was 

1344
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:03,600
another one where it looked like
they might lose like they've. 

1345
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,100
They've found something deep 
within themselves. 

1346
01:09:06,100 --> 01:09:07,899
It's been really impressive at 
times. 

1347
01:09:08,500 --> 01:09:11,000
I don't, I mean, I think Woodson
has done a pretty good job of 

1348
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,600
pushing buttons behind the 
scenes and getting performances 

1349
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,300
out of guys, that key moments. 
I think this is a largely. 

1350
01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:23,200
It's a roster based internal 
thing and we saw this roster or 

1351
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,000
at least parts of this. 
Roster over the course of the 

1352
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,000
last two three seasons, just not
show up when it mattered. 

1353
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,399
And the fact that they've 
started to show up when it 

1354
01:09:32,407 --> 01:09:34,600
matters is really, really, 
really encouraging. 

1355
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,100
Even though a lot of those 
players are, probably not going 

1356
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:38,800
to be here next year. 
But the flip side of it is, 

1357
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,399
they're still not all the way 
there. 

1358
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:44,899
And, you know, from my 
perspective, when I watch so 

1359
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:47,800
much college basketball, when I 
watch teams that have a sense of

1360
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,500
like the group and what they're 
supposed to do, and what their 

1361
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:54,100
mission is on a nightly basis, 
it just shows. 

1362
01:09:54,100 --> 01:09:55,900
Rose. 
I think Kansas does a great job 

1363
01:09:55,900 --> 01:09:57,600
of that. 
There's other teams. 

1364
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,300
I feel like do a great job of 
that. 

1365
01:09:59,300 --> 01:10:02,200
Indiana does not when they when 
they're on. 

1366
01:10:02,300 --> 01:10:04,900
They're among the best in the 
country at portraying that. 

1367
01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:07,300
But when they're not they're 
just not. 

1368
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:09,100
And I don't think that's a coach
thing. 

1369
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:12,400
I think that's a this group of 
players has not figured out that

1370
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,300
you have to do that every single
time. 

1371
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,200
I don't even think that, they 
know what that exactly is like 

1372
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,900
every single time, it's almost 
like they don't know themselves 

1373
01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:22,100
until five minutes into some of 
these games. 

1374
01:10:23,300 --> 01:10:26,500
I just think we just need to 
make sure we play no more Marie,

1375
01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:28,800
Brothers, the rest of this year 
because we don't do whether it's

1376
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,800
Keegan Murray or Chris Murray. 
We just don't do well against 

1377
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,700
any of them worries. 
No, I'm with you because it's 

1378
01:10:35,700 --> 01:10:39,600
funny because there's in all of 
those losses that I mentioned. 

1379
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,100
It's not like they didn't, you 
know, they have moments, they 

1380
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:45,700
don't show up because they're 
all different like, the Rutgers 

1381
01:10:45,700 --> 01:10:47,800
one. 
They kind of, I would say no 

1382
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,800
showed most of that game. 
But like the Arizona, when they 

1383
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,800
fought back, they had Fightin 
They just couldn't get it done. 

1384
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,700
The Kansas game. 
That was that's really an 

1385
01:10:56,700 --> 01:10:57,800
outlier. 
I'm not giving you that would be

1386
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,000
like the Iowa. 
The loss that Iowa. 

1387
01:11:00,100 --> 01:11:02,900
They came out blazing. 
They were, they were firing off,

1388
01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:06,600
they were engaged locked in, and
then within that game, they just

1389
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,100
weren't. 
They lost that, you know, the 

1390
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:12,000
Northwestern Road game, they 
weren't locked in and they were 

1391
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,800
locked in the Michigan State 
game. 

1392
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,500
They really never got locked in 
the Iowa game. 

1393
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:17,600
They just, you know, failed to 
get the ignition turned over. 

1394
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,100
So it's like there are games to 
your point where they start 

1395
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:23,000
locked in. 
You still can't feel like Great,

1396
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,900
that it's not going to happen 
and even though they started 

1397
01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:27,600
game unlocked and they can lock 
in. 

1398
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,400
So I think the answer is I don't
think anybody knows. 

1399
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,500
I don't Woodson knows, I don't 
think Steve knows but I don't 

1400
01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:35,600
think anybody knows what the 
answer is. 

1401
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,300
And that's kind of the 
frightening part. 

1402
01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:41,600
It's, it's really remarkable. 
And it's it is a lot like just 

1403
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,200
kind of your I don't even know 
how to describe it. 

1404
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,500
Like, it is really like it's 
almost like if you're managing a

1405
01:11:48,508 --> 01:11:51,700
band and sometimes they give the
greatest performances in the 

1406
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:54,100
history of Rock, And roll and 
other times. 

1407
01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:56,800
Like I can't even do these guys 
even know how to play their 

1408
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,100
instruments and you never know 
who you're going to get before 

1409
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:01,500
they take the stage. 
What band are we? 

1410
01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:03,100
You're the bad guy. 
What bander we? 

1411
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:07,300
Um I got a you know what? 
Let's ask the audience that if 

1412
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:09,700
you've made it this far in the 
podcast like what band are we 

1413
01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:11,800
talking about here? 
By the way? 

1414
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:14,000
This is I gotta say, it's not 
limited. 

1415
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,700
I you we're doing this podcast. 
It's 9:15. 

1416
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:19,500
You know what just happened, 
Rutgers just lost it. 

1417
01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:23,700
Minnesota. 
I mean an Illinois and Illinois 

1418
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:25,100
is pissing away a possible 
window. 

1419
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:27,000
Michigan. 
By the way, I'd like to note 

1420
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,500
Juwan, Howard made direct 
physical contact with Larry's, 

1421
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:33,300
Corrado, didn't get called for a
technical foul. 

1422
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:35,500
I was told that was not a 
mattock technical foul. 

1423
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:39,800
What the heck? 
Anyway, onward, let's talk a 

1424
01:12:39,808 --> 01:12:42,500
couple of other things here. 
So, Maddie will mentioned, I 

1425
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:44,100
feel nervous about this whole 
tournament? 

1426
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:45,700
Can we pin our hopes on 
anything? 

1427
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:48,200
The Iowa game. 
Brought back some PTSD 

1428
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,200
understandable. 
I've also got Patrick in the 

1429
01:12:50,208 --> 01:12:53,700
comments. 
Mildly taunting me over the we 

1430
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:56,900
need to get over the PTSD thing.
I get it look. 

1431
01:12:57,500 --> 01:13:00,400
You can still hang your hat on a
lot of things with this team. 

1432
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:05,000
I I feel like at the end of the 
day you almost I'm almost to 

1433
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,000
some degree if this was going to
happen and I we know that this 

1434
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:12,700
is in the DNA of this team, it 
can happen if it was going to 

1435
01:13:12,700 --> 01:13:15,000
have to happen, I didn't want it
to happen but if it was going to

1436
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,300
have to happen I guess it was 
better to have it happen there 

1437
01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:20,600
because they've been embarrassed
in front of their home fans. 

1438
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:25,500
They've been Start national 
television and that is going to 

1439
01:13:25,508 --> 01:13:28,500
be. 
I think a good motivator for 

1440
01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:30,800
this team for at least the next 
few games. 

1441
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:36,700
And look, you still, you still 
have a top, level player down 

1442
01:13:36,700 --> 01:13:39,700
low, and Trace Jackson Davis, 
you still have a borderline 

1443
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:42,100
lottery pick in jail and 
Ruffino. 

1444
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:43,800
Like you've got all of those 
that those things didn't go 

1445
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,900
away. 
One bad game does not, suddenly 

1446
01:13:45,900 --> 01:13:50,500
make all of those players suck 
and you're still playing teams 

1447
01:13:50,500 --> 01:13:53,400
that are flawed. 
Dad, just like you are but 

1448
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,100
you're going to be doing it on a
neutral floor. 

1449
01:13:55,900 --> 01:13:57,800
I think Indiana is going to be 
okay. 

1450
01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:00,500
And I think that you can still 
Bank on the things that Indiana 

1451
01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:03,400
has done over the course of the 
last month and a half by and 

1452
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,700
large. 
I think if you know if I the 

1453
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:09,800
things that I would be worried 
about right now are if Indiana 

1454
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,800
runs into trouble early, how 
will they mentally handle that? 

1455
01:14:12,900 --> 01:14:15,500
And, you know, will there be 
lingering doubt. 

1456
01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:19,100
So, I really feel like for this 
Michigan game coming up in 

1457
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:21,100
Michigan, looks pretty 
resilient. 

1458
01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:23,000
Now they're on an 18. 24 run 
here. 

1459
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,100
As we watch this Illinois game, 
they're up by 7 in overtime. 

1460
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,500
Well now they're up by five 
little for type. 

1461
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:34,100
Anyway, I'm not gonna stop doing
play-by-play on this, but I 

1462
01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:35,600
think Indiana needs a good 
start. 

1463
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,400
They need to get out. 
They need to get a little bit of

1464
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,600
the lead. 
They need to be able to play 

1465
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,300
with the lead, and they need to 
get some confidence in 

1466
01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:44,200
themselves and that's really 
where it all starts. 

1467
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:48,700
And then from there, you know, 
at this stage I think as long as

1468
01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:53,100
Indiana beats Michigan, which is
not a foregone In conclusion, I 

1469
01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:55,300
don't think the Iowa game is 
actually going to hurt them that

1470
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:57,900
much in terms of seating. 
I think it knocks them off the 

1471
01:14:57,900 --> 01:14:59,700
three line, probably 
permanently. 

1472
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,200
But I still had them as a for 
and I tried my damnedest to move

1473
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,100
them down and I couldn't like, I
could not justify moving them 

1474
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,300
below. 
Miami Below, Virginia. 

1475
01:15:10,900 --> 01:15:13,900
If you think you can do better, 
go go do the Bracketology and 

1476
01:15:13,900 --> 01:15:16,500
tell me what your justification 
was because I really couldn't, 

1477
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:18,900
and I was actively, like, I 
really need to put Indiana on 

1478
01:15:18,900 --> 01:15:21,100
the 5 line. 
Lest I be accused of home. 

1479
01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:23,500
ISM. 
But realistically, everybody's 

1480
01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:25,400
got Indiana there because their 
resume is still good. 

1481
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:29,300
Now, you lose another home game 
that may be changes, but right 

1482
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:32,800
now they didn't do themselves so
much damage in that game. 

1483
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,600
So now, we see what they do with
the, the, the response to that, 

1484
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,100
I guess. 
So, to answer that question, 

1485
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:42,300
like I would say, this goes for 
the Michigan game and honestly, 

1486
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:46,100
for the rest of the games this 
year, I think that this team is 

1487
01:15:46,108 --> 01:15:48,000
thinking about this, on the 
drive back because you heard 

1488
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,600
like, I heard the Don Fisher. 
Postgame. 

1489
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,100
It's like, yeah, we just don't 
Eric. 

1490
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,500
Sir were saying we don't have 
anybody to guard, Chris Murray, 

1491
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,100
and it's like, that's very true.
I saw that all night. 

1492
01:15:57,700 --> 01:16:00,900
Yeah, Illinois is now only down 
to told you all the way up. 

1493
01:16:01,700 --> 01:16:04,200
Let's go play by, this is great.
Play by play podcasting, people 

1494
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,900
listening to five days later and
it's true. 

1495
01:16:07,900 --> 01:16:10,900
We I felt bad for Miller copter 
in that game because like he 

1496
01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:14,500
can't guard, Chris Murray. 
But my flip side, the argument 

1497
01:16:14,500 --> 01:16:17,000
to that is that we have no one 
to guard Chris Murray. 

1498
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,500
But guess what I was got. 
No one to guard jail, huh? 

1499
01:16:19,500 --> 01:16:21,400
Chaffee know. 
And they have no one to Our 

1500
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,300
Trace Jackson Davis, right? 
And so, what we need to do, a 

1501
01:16:24,300 --> 01:16:29,800
better job of is making teams 
uncomfortable and make them be 

1502
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,000
uncomfortable with the matchup 
matchup issues that we provide 

1503
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,400
because very few teams, I would 
say in the country are able to 

1504
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,500
match up with Trace Jackson, 
Davis, and with Jalen Hood 

1505
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:42,700
Ruffino. 
Just a most teams don't have an 

1506
01:16:42,700 --> 01:16:45,100
elite level guard and an 
elite-level post player. 

1507
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:49,300
I know it's tied and I know 
you're busy but they don't have 

1508
01:16:49,300 --> 01:16:50,800
those two things. 
Now a lot of teams like 

1509
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,200
Michigan, Ian has jet Howard. 
We have no one who can guard 

1510
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:54,900
him. 
Chris Murray, there's a lot of 

1511
01:16:54,900 --> 01:16:57,300
guys in that position that were 
not able to guard. 

1512
01:16:57,900 --> 01:17:01,300
What we have to do is not let 
those guys get comfortable. 

1513
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,400
Let's play to our advantage, 
let's do a better deal. 

1514
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,400
Bet. 
The thing with that Iowa game is

1515
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,800
you know it's like it's ate 
nothing before you know it hit 

1516
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,900
Ruffino. 
Miss an open, three trig Alamos,

1517
01:17:10,900 --> 01:17:12,600
knoblauch to one of those two 
goes down. 

1518
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,200
Maybe it's a totally different. 
Feel probably knocked sir, we 

1519
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,900
just do showed but the point 
stands within the first minute 

1520
01:17:18,900 --> 01:17:21,000
and a half, it's like Chris 
Murray is comfy. 

1521
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,300
And he's cozy and like they're 
not worried about the matchup 

1522
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:26,200
problems that we provide. 
So in my that's what we have to 

1523
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,000
do. 
The rest of this season is like 

1524
01:17:28,100 --> 01:17:30,600
immediately put our stamp on the
game and let the other team, 

1525
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,000
whether it's Michigan or whoever
we play in the next two 

1526
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,900
tournaments know, like make them
not be like, oh, who you know 

1527
01:17:36,900 --> 01:17:39,900
who's gonna guard Chris Murray 
or the Chris Murray facsimile. 

1528
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,000
But make that other team say, 
who are we, how are we going to 

1529
01:17:43,008 --> 01:17:44,800
guard these two? 
Who's regard, the god, who's 

1530
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,200
gonna guard Trace? 
Who's gonna guard jail me, like,

1531
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,600
we've got to put the other. 
We've got to push the game to 

1532
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,500
the other teams. 
That that's my I feel. 

1533
01:17:52,700 --> 01:17:56,000
Yeah, I think that's right. 
I mean look this team is much 

1534
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:01,900
better at being the the decisive
one, but they also sometimes do 

1535
01:18:01,900 --> 01:18:04,500
too much of it, like Tony and I 
talked earlier on the podcast 

1536
01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:09,700
like stop lobbying on breaks, 
they've lost so many 

1537
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:11,900
possessions, do you know, just 
throwing passes, the didn't need

1538
01:18:11,900 --> 01:18:15,400
to be thrown because this team 
tries to do too much, but by the

1539
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,700
same token when they're passive,
they get steamrolled by and 

1540
01:18:18,700 --> 01:18:20,900
large. 
And so it's a delicate balance 

1541
01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:23,400
with this particular group. 
And I Don't know exactly what to

1542
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:27,400
say about it other than they 
have got to do a better job at 

1543
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:32,600
figuring out what they're 
supposed to be doing overall, 

1544
01:18:32,700 --> 01:18:35,700
you know, on the thing that's 
wow, you, uh, you know, it's 

1545
01:18:35,700 --> 01:18:40,100
funny, we're here. 
Criticizing iu4, struggling with

1546
01:18:40,100 --> 01:18:43,600
brakes, Illinois. 
Just blew three on one with 

1547
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,800
three and a half seconds left. 
Where they could have won the 

1548
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,300
game. 
They didn't even get a shot off 

1549
01:18:47,300 --> 01:18:50,200
because of a terrible path. 
So maybe we're just being overly

1550
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,300
Critical with IU for no reason 
this. 

1551
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,800
Might be the most bizarre 
listening experience that our 

1552
01:18:54,808 --> 01:18:57,900
listeners have had in a while, 
so I can grant what other guys 

1553
01:18:57,900 --> 01:19:00,300
had an open three. 
He not only passed up an open 

1554
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:02,600
three to win the game. 
He then pass it to your 

1555
01:19:06,900 --> 01:19:10,300
horrible. 
This is great. 

1556
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,600
I'm sorry folks. 
What you really should do is 

1557
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,300
like, it's kind of like director
commentary for a movie that you 

1558
01:19:17,300 --> 01:19:20,200
didn't have a ticket to Wizard 
of Oz in the wall. 

1559
01:19:20,300 --> 01:19:24,800
Like you gotta sync up this way.
Dark Side of the Moon, not the 

1560
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:29,300
wall. 
Warty hazards on the 

1561
01:19:29,300 --> 01:19:35,700
soundtracks. 
Got no, no. 

1562
01:19:35,700 --> 01:19:42,500
Okay, you obviously haven't, you
got really stoned when you put 

1563
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:44,900
it that way. 
Anything matches up with dark 

1564
01:19:44,900 --> 01:19:48,000
side of the moon, right? 
Wait, actually, just like that 

1565
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,500
way. 
I bet Michigan Illinois. 

1566
01:19:50,700 --> 01:19:54,800
Like if you, if you start on the
second lion's roar, right? 

1567
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,200
When that passed goes behind, 
Matthew Myer. 

1568
01:19:57,300 --> 01:19:57,800
Yeah. 
Yes. 

1569
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,400
A podcast brought to you by 
Columbia Records. 

1570
01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:17,900
Couple of other questions or 
comments. 

1571
01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:21,400
Jen gone. 
Her comment all day. 

1572
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,600
Today, I've been thinking about 
the fact it's going to be traces

1573
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,200
last home game. 
It's crazy to me. 

1574
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,300
How quickly these four years 
have gone by? 

1575
01:20:27,700 --> 01:20:29,400
I just hope he has a great last 
game. 

1576
01:20:29,700 --> 01:20:31,800
He'll buy, you fans give him an 
amazing send-off. 

1577
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,200
I do I mean obviously I agree 
with all that and I will say, 

1578
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:40,800
like, the you mentioned Legacy 
earlier with trace and you know,

1579
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:45,800
it's tough because like I mean I
you got blown out by Iowa and 

1580
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,800
lost him. 
That was you know the 

1581
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,100
statistical game that people 
wanted out of Trace to previous 

1582
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:53,200
two games. 
He had a 26 and 13 with five 

1583
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,300
assists and 4 steals. 
I mean, I don't know what else 

1584
01:20:56,300 --> 01:20:58,500
the guy could have done at 
least, you know, I mean he could

1585
01:20:58,500 --> 01:20:59,900
probably get it aboard. 
Offensively. 

1586
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:05,100
But everybody could have in that
game, he has been, he's gonna be

1587
01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:07,200
an interesting case. 
Historically, you know, 

1588
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:12,100
statistically he's unassailable,
you know, and unfortunately he's

1589
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:17,600
at a school where statistical 
unassailable Leti is only part 

1590
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:22,300
of the the kind of the Codex of 
your career. 

1591
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,800
And ultimately I think what 
people want to see out of Trace 

1592
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,200
is HIM lead the team to 
something. 

1593
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,200
No. 
Worthy and there's such a thirst

1594
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:36,700
for that among this fan base 
understandably so that you're 

1595
01:21:36,700 --> 01:21:40,300
going to see some harsh words if
he doesn't do that. 

1596
01:21:40,300 --> 01:21:44,700
And I think that's unfortunate. 
I mean I think this is a player 

1597
01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:49,900
that's been a national leader in
three of his Four Seasons. 

1598
01:21:49,900 --> 01:21:55,100
Essentially, you know, in 
offensive efficiency, he's been 

1599
01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:59,200
a national leader in a bunch of 
Statistics across the board 

1600
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:00,900
over. 
The course of his whole career 

1601
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:07,900
and he's not really been given 
and think until this year a good

1602
01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:10,300
Supporting Cast to do things 
with. 

1603
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:15,300
And I think that the you know 
one day we're going to go back 

1604
01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:18,700
and look at this group of games 
that started with that, 

1605
01:22:18,700 --> 01:22:23,300
Wisconsin game on the 14th of 
January and ran all the way 

1606
01:22:23,300 --> 01:22:25,800
through to the end of the 
conference season. 

1607
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,700
And we're going to be like, how 
the what, how what he did, what 

1608
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:30,700
he scored. 
Many points and grabbed, how 

1609
01:22:30,700 --> 01:22:33,200
many rebounds and they beat 
Purdue twice, and they beat 

1610
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,100
Rutgers and they beat Illinois 
twice. 

1611
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:38,800
I mean, the, the accomplishments
in that stretch and the 

1612
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,500
accomplishments that he's had, 
in terms of some of the other 

1613
01:22:41,500 --> 01:22:45,900
individual moments are a level 
of special, you don't normally 

1614
01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:50,500
see with IU players and it's 
going to be. 

1615
01:22:50,500 --> 01:22:55,400
As you said, it's a shame that 
so much of that Legacy is kind 

1616
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,100
of on the line in terms of like,
where does he rank? 

1617
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,300
It's a little bit like I think 
about a.j. 

1618
01:23:00,300 --> 01:23:05,200
Guyton in some ways where Guyton
never until his senior year, 

1619
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,500
really had a team around him 
that could complement him fully 

1620
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:12,000
and then, you know, right? 
At the end of it, a bunch of 

1621
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,100
stuff happens. 
And essentially the bottom falls

1622
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:17,600
out of the of the mental and 
emotional aspects of that team. 

1623
01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:22,400
So it's hard to really like 
fully quantify what AJ Guyton 

1624
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:23,800
did. 
And I think Tres Jackson Davis 

1625
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,200
has made a far greater 
contribution overall, then 

1626
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,400
Guyton did. 
That's not any aspersions. 

1627
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,100
Is on Guyton. 
I mean that's really more of a 

1628
01:23:31,108 --> 01:23:33,100
huge compliment to trace Jackson
Davis. 

1629
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,300
And so look, I hope Indiana goes
out and wins handily. 

1630
01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:40,100
I hope Trace Jackson, Davis gets
a big Standing Ovation. 

1631
01:23:40,300 --> 01:23:44,300
I hope he, you know, gets a 
chance to say what he wants to 

1632
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:46,200
say to the crowd. 
And I hope the crowds able to 

1633
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,200
give him the kind of 
appreciation that he deserves 

1634
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,100
over. 
You know, what has been a, an 

1635
01:23:52,100 --> 01:23:55,600
exemplary career for an IU 
basketball player. 

1636
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:59,200
That's been unfortunately, 
marred by I you being in one of 

1637
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,000
the August doldrums periods of 
its program history. 

1638
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,100
Stole it from me. 
As you're talking, I'm looking 

1639
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:09,900
at the top 10 scoring list. 
It's like, every you skull. 

1640
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:12,200
The Guyton cop is just such a 
great call. 

1641
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,300
I will just expand on that. 
No, it's the, the top ten scores

1642
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:17,100
of all time and IU basketball 
history. 

1643
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,000
You go Kent, Benson Damon, 
Bailey Alan Henderson Yogi. 

1644
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,800
Ferrell Mike Woodson, AJ Gaiden 
Trace Jackson. 

1645
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,700
Davis, Don Schult Steve Alford 
Calbert cheaney. 

1646
01:24:25,900 --> 01:24:28,400
Everybody has either won a 
national title or a Big Ten 

1647
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,000
title in some cases. 
Both except for AJ Guyton, and 

1648
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,200
Trace Jackson. 
Descend, what's funny is you and

1649
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,300
I went to the AJ Guyton is 
exactly the same age. 

1650
01:24:38,300 --> 01:24:40,100
We had to school the exact same 
time. 

1651
01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:45,100
I feel like he has a very high 
approval rating among the IU 

1652
01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:46,200
fan. 
Nobody looks back. 

1653
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,100
And it's like, oh man, he was 
just all stats and no record and

1654
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:51,200
he gets a little bit of end of 
night Sheen. 

1655
01:24:51,500 --> 01:24:55,200
But you know, you look at his 
the teams that he was on 9 and 9

1656
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,600
in the Big Ten, you know, his 
freshman year night and 7:00 in 

1657
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:02,600
the Big 10, 9 and 7 in the Big 
Ten and then 10 and 6 in the Big

1658
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,700
Ten. 10 and he won, two, NCAA 
tournament games in four years. 

1659
01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:08,300
I'm not knocking, AJ Guyton, but
it's like, there's not a lot of 

1660
01:25:08,300 --> 01:25:10,300
level high level success there 
either. 

1661
01:25:11,300 --> 01:25:14,900
And so I'm with, it's not, this 
is not trying to knock AJ guy. 

1662
01:25:14,900 --> 01:25:19,600
He's on my favorite players of 
all time, but it goes to show 

1663
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,500
that. 
I think Trace is also being 

1664
01:25:21,700 --> 01:25:25,500
judged a little bit more harshly
because he can basically match 

1665
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:28,600
all of those things, one more 
tournament win this year and he 

1666
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:32,700
can exceed them this year and 
his, you know, for his legacy. 

1667
01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:35,800
Done being written. 
Like he leads this team to a, 

1668
01:25:35,900 --> 01:25:39,000
you know, a hell of a game in 
the sweet 16 or the Elite 8. 

1669
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,600
That changes a lot of things. 
It takes seems to a final four, 

1670
01:25:41,700 --> 01:25:43,800
that changes a million different
things. 

1671
01:25:44,500 --> 01:25:48,100
So it's not like that has to be 
said, it hasn't been written 

1672
01:25:48,100 --> 01:25:50,200
yet. 
But I am with, you know, as it 

1673
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:55,700
stands for Sunday like this has 
been, you know, one of the most 

1674
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:00,000
influential IU basketball 
careers in the last 20 years, 

1675
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:04,200
you know, and and it's been a 
weird 20-year run, but this is 

1676
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,200
somebody who's put in a full 
four years, you know? 

1677
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,300
I would, I can't do have top my 
head, but it's like, since night

1678
01:26:10,300 --> 01:26:13,600
left, you know who were the most
important players at IU, you 

1679
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:17,500
know, Yogi Ferrell is up there, 
you know, Zeller Oladipo or up 

1680
01:26:17,500 --> 01:26:19,500
there and and Trace Jackson 
Davis is up there. 

1681
01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:23,000
So it's, you know, well of the 
new new Central to its. 

1682
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:28,200
It's he's everyone should just 
cheer be happy, be happy. 

1683
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,500
He was here and you know, we can
we can discuss Legacy in the off

1684
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:33,600
season, but his legacy is going.
Going to be up there. 

1685
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,900
It's just as you said it is, it 
is weird because there's a lot 

1686
01:26:36,900 --> 01:26:40,000
of guys, you know, unfortunately
a tie you guys who have a lot of

1687
01:26:40,008 --> 01:26:41,600
stats. 
Also have a lot of Team 

1688
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,500
accolades and unfortunately for 
a variety of reasons, it didn't 

1689
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:46,500
happen for Trace. 
But I'm with you, we will look 

1690
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:50,600
back on this stretch this year 
since J since January and be 

1691
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,800
like, what the hell did he do? 
Yeah, like really like that's 

1692
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,400
that's what he those are. 
What the numbers he put up and 

1693
01:26:56,407 --> 01:26:58,600
he didn't win Big Ten Player of 
the Year. 

1694
01:26:59,300 --> 01:27:01,300
Oh Edie had those numbers as 
well anyway. 

1695
01:27:01,300 --> 01:27:04,300
So yeah. 
It's Yeah, it's go cheer. 

1696
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,400
I do wonder, you know, I will 
say this like you know, I mean 

1697
01:27:08,300 --> 01:27:11,300
Yogi Ferrell ended up winning a 
Big Ten title is senior year. 

1698
01:27:12,500 --> 01:27:14,200
Do we remember Yogi Ferrell the 
same way? 

1699
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:18,700
If he isn't a freshman on the 
team in 2013, it'll be Yogi 

1700
01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:21,500
Ferrell to mean as much of an 
accomplished player as he was 

1701
01:27:21,500 --> 01:27:24,100
was at a far better like 
structure. 

1702
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:28,700
In terms of Team around him then
Trace Jackson Davis has had an 

1703
01:27:28,700 --> 01:27:31,900
old, but his senior year. 
And even then I would take 

1704
01:27:31,900 --> 01:27:35,500
probably Certainly two out of 
the four teams that Yogi Ferrell

1705
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:38,100
had over this team. 
It just in terms of overall 

1706
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:41,900
composition and so I do think 
that you have to factor that 

1707
01:27:41,900 --> 01:27:43,800
into the equation. 
A little bit with Trace, 

1708
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,100
Jackson, Davis, but we'll have 
time to talk about that and I'll

1709
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:47,200
get a lot of. 
It will come down to what 

1710
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:50,400
happens in the tournament. 
Anyway, we've gone longer than I

1711
01:27:50,407 --> 01:27:54,000
thought we would on this one. 
So let me let me finish it off 

1712
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,400
with this. 
Like as we think about what is 

1713
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,000
going on, moving forward, you 
know we don't know what's going 

1714
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,600
to happen with with IU and the 
tournament. 

1715
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,600
You know, the even either, turn 
it. 

1716
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,600
What what number by do you think
we're going to get to in the Big

1717
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:10,300
Ten Tournament? 
Like we're going to have some 

1718
01:28:10,900 --> 01:28:12,300
sorry. 
Not sorry, sorry sorry, not by 

1719
01:28:12,300 --> 01:28:14,700
wrong word, what level? 
Tiebreak you think we're going 

1720
01:28:14,700 --> 01:28:16,700
to get to in some of these well 
decisions. 

1721
01:28:16,700 --> 01:28:19,400
Like are we going to get to a 
third time Break Forth tiebreak?

1722
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:21,400
I mean I'll say it's funny right
now. 

1723
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:23,900
Like, let's regardless of what 
happens in this Illinois, 

1724
01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:25,400
Michigan game, which is still 
going on. 

1725
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,600
I was who the hell? 
What the hell does this look 

1726
01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:30,300
like right now in double 
overtime? 

1727
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:32,100
It looks like Illinois is going 
to win. 

1728
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:37,600
Like to note, Michigan's already
had like four players playing 

1729
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,200
over 40 minutes in this game, 
which bodes, well, since they 

1730
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,500
have to come to Bloomington and 
play in a couple of days. 

1731
01:28:42,500 --> 01:28:46,200
But regardless of the direction 
that this goes with Rutgers 

1732
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:52,400
losing today, Indiana, if 
Indiana wins over Michigan. 

1733
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,600
If Michigan State beats Ohio 
state of Iowa, beats, Nebraska 

1734
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,300
of Wisconsin beats Minnesota. 
If Maryland beats Penn State, 

1735
01:28:58,300 --> 01:29:00,400
and then if Purdue beats, 
Illinois and Rutgers beats 

1736
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,500
Northwestern Indiana's, the four
seed. 

1737
01:29:02,700 --> 01:29:05,800
In a three-way tie with Iowa and
Maryland. 

1738
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,100
Indiana would finish fourth out 
of that but would still get the 

1739
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:12,900
double by because the tiebreak 
to both of them. 

1740
01:29:12,900 --> 01:29:14,400
Yes. 
But we'd still be the fourth 

1741
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,000
seed because there were tied for
second. 

1742
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:18,600
So it go. 
It would go pro, do it? 

1743
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,800
Yeah. 
It should be Purdue at 15 and 5 

1744
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,900
under that scenario, Iowa, 12 
and 8, Maryland, 12 and 8, 

1745
01:29:25,900 --> 01:29:31,400
Indiana 12 and 8, Michigan 
State, 11 8 and then Michigan 11

1746
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:35,200
and 9 tied with Illinois. 
In Rutgers in Northwestern, you 

1747
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,300
know. 
Now, it could get crazier if 

1748
01:29:37,300 --> 01:29:40,500
other teams lost and Indiana 
could actually improve their 

1749
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,500
ranking a little bit, not do 
anything that they would do 

1750
01:29:42,500 --> 01:29:46,600
themselves, but more through, if
other results went in a slightly

1751
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:50,300
different way. 
But ultimately, you know, 

1752
01:29:50,700 --> 01:29:55,000
Indiana, I think if they take 
care of business now is still 

1753
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,000
actually in relatively decent 
shape for that double by even if

1754
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,200
they don't get it though, I 
don't know that it's the worst 

1755
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,400
thing in the world. 
If Indiana, Like, you know, has 

1756
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:08,000
to play on Thursday. 
If they're the five seed, they 

1757
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:12,100
play the 12, whoever they are 
the winner of the 1213 game and 

1758
01:30:12,100 --> 01:30:15,500
then they get a chance to play a
little bit, you know, against 

1759
01:30:15,500 --> 01:30:17,500
the next T maybe they win that 
maybe they don't, they get a 

1760
01:30:17,500 --> 01:30:19,500
couple extra days off, I don't 
think it's going to necessarily 

1761
01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:21,400
hurt their seating. 
There's still going to be the 45

1762
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,000
game. 
It doesn't matter really, 

1763
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,500
whether you're a four or five, I
mean, it's like you might get a 

1764
01:30:25,508 --> 01:30:28,800
slightly easier first round 
opponent as a five or is it for 

1765
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,800
is versus a five but who the 
hell knows? 

1766
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,200
Doesn't it kind of affect the 
ability to get the region like 

1767
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,400
the the Columbus Louisville? 
Well, you're not going to get 

1768
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,400
Columbus at this point. 
That's pretty much off the 

1769
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,200
table, so I would not worry 
about that. 

1770
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,900
I think the bigger question now 
is, can you get into a region? 

1771
01:30:45,900 --> 01:30:48,000
That's going to feed into the 
South with the going to feed 

1772
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,700
into little? 
Well, that's certainly still on 

1773
01:30:49,700 --> 01:30:53,900
the table so we'll see. 
Anyway, 45 matter for that. 

1774
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,700
No, it doesn't really because 
four and five generally will 

1775
01:30:58,700 --> 01:31:00,900
play. 
They play in the same bracketed 

1776
01:31:00,900 --> 01:31:05,300
region or sub-region. 
No, but you know, where it's 

1777
01:31:05,300 --> 01:31:08,200
going to matter is just like 
where everybody else has fallen 

1778
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:13,200
in relation to things and that's
that's going to be curious to 

1779
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:16,100
watch, I think moving forward. 
So look at this point, I think 

1780
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:20,300
Indiana's biggest thing is 
they've just got to win the game

1781
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:23,600
in front of them when their 
first Big Ten Tournament game, 

1782
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,500
that's really all you got to do 
if you want to stay at that 

1783
01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:30,800
level and then and honestly what
happens in the turnip Big Ten 

1784
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:31,900
tournament at point doesn't 
matter. 

1785
01:31:31,900 --> 01:31:35,400
Then it's About getting ready 
for the NCAA tournament. 

1786
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,500
This is like the one year where 
I would say punt the Big Ten 

1787
01:31:38,500 --> 01:31:40,600
tournament. 
It's not going to significantly 

1788
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:44,800
help your seeding. 
I don't think and in and at the 

1789
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,500
end at the end of the day this 
team really needs the rest. 

1790
01:31:47,500 --> 01:31:50,300
I think more than they need a 
couple of neutral Court winds 

1791
01:31:50,300 --> 01:31:52,600
that may not even necessarily 
count that much in the eyes of 

1792
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:53,800
the tournament selection 
committee. 

1793
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:56,900
But we'll talk about that next 
week as we see who the actual 

1794
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,800
opponents might be. 
And that's the other way to look

1795
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,400
at this glass. 
Half-full is You know, not 

1796
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:05,500
getting the double by everyone's
at God's just more games, the 

1797
01:32:05,500 --> 01:32:07,800
Big Ten Tournament. 
If you go one and one doesn't 

1798
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,500
really matter if you go 
one-on-one but you played on, 

1799
01:32:10,700 --> 01:32:13,600
you know, Thursday and Friday. 
Instead of Friday and Saturday 

1800
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:14,900
actually gives you an extra day.
Arrest. 

1801
01:32:14,900 --> 01:32:16,200
Yeah. 
And I'm not saying you throw the

1802
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,900
second game but it's like there 
is a world where if you're going

1803
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:21,300
to go one and one I'd rather 
have that last game be Friday. 

1804
01:32:21,300 --> 01:32:23,600
And then get an extra day of 
rest to your point. 

1805
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,400
And then you know because the 
chance of us running the table 

1806
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,400
and winning the Big Ten 
Tournament is prob probably 

1807
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:31,200
unlikely. 
And honestly with the way this 

1808
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:35,600
team it's like the More games. 
You go without having the dud, I

1809
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,000
get nervous. 
So it's like I don't I want to 

1810
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,000
save all the good games. 
If we just ran the tournament, 

1811
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,200
the big tent. 
I'd be ecstatic if he cool but 

1812
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:45,700
then the there be a part of me, 
it's like, oh, like I the does 

1813
01:32:45,700 --> 01:32:47,700
coming. 
I will say, I do Wonder 

1814
01:32:47,700 --> 01:32:50,700
psychologically for the fanbase.
How would you feel that? 

1815
01:32:50,700 --> 01:32:52,700
Don't answer this. 
This is a rhetorical question, 

1816
01:32:52,700 --> 01:32:55,500
this is more for the audience. 
How would you feel if this IU 

1817
01:32:55,500 --> 01:32:58,300
team won? 
The Big Ten tournament and then 

1818
01:32:58,300 --> 01:33:00,700
lost in the second round of the 
NCAA tournament. 

1819
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:03,100
Think about that, will talk 
about it. 

1820
01:33:03,100 --> 01:33:04,500
Next time. 
I don't want to hear, I don't 

1821
01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:06,000
want her option. 
I want the other option. 

1822
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,400
No, I don't want to hear you. 
Want to hear your answer on this

1823
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:11,100
but anyway, that'll wrap it up 
for us. 

1824
01:33:11,100 --> 01:33:12,600
Thank you for sticking with us. 
I'm sorry. 

1825
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,200
This was a loopy podcast in a 
lot of ways but hopefully it was

1826
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,000
entertaining to you. 
We're not going to finish the 

1827
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,300
play-by-play on the lll announce
know you and I are going to 

1828
01:33:19,300 --> 01:33:23,100
watch it on our own and then 
we'll talk about it next time. 

1829
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:25,300
How about that? 
Anyway, I you plays this weekend

1830
01:33:25,300 --> 01:33:28,200
Sunday? 
Senior Day against Michigan. 

1831
01:33:28,300 --> 01:33:30,300
Be sure to watch that. 
We'll be back with more. 

1832
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:31,800
Thanks to home field. 
Apparel. 

1833
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,600
Thanks to our friends at the 
back home network and we'll 

1834
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,900
catch you folks on the flip 
side, bring back the Bison, so 

1835
01:33:36,900 --> 01:33:32,600
everybody Apparel. 
Thanks to our friends at the 

1836
01:33:32,608 --> 01:33:35,400
back home network and we'll 
catch you folks on the flip 

1837
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,400
side, bring back the Bison, so 
everybody