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he definitely keeps up with the 
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talk to him about the Big Ten as
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30,000 foot view of where 
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Bracketology, it's a great 
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We have some rants here, there 
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So without further Ado, we'll go

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to Joe at 131 Sports All right, 
we're glad to have Joanne from 

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Twitter at 131 Sports. 
I was looking to, you know, I 

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want to help people understand 
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kind of where Indiana fits in. 
And oh Galen talks about this a 

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lot but I thought it'd be good 
to have somebody else and kind 

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of just look a little bit larger
at the Big Ten field. 

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And if you follow a bracket 
Matrix online, one of the better

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sites that has a all of the 
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Turns out there, they have a 
ranking section and Joe, you've 

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been ranked, like, in the top 
five for the last, like, what 10

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or 12 years, you've been really 
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projection. 
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Well done and not bad for a 
Michigan grad. 

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Hey, well, then that last day we
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Yeah, no, yeah. 
I've been passionate about this,

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you know, so I graduated U of M,
2012. 

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And right after I graduated, is 
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been doing it. 
So, it's been a decade. 

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Jade black my rankings have in 
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fall, certainly have have 
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when I started to where I'm at 
now, but I don't want to let you

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to the toot, my horn, rather 
than being myself. 

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So I appreciate the shout out 
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can continue and hopefully I can
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listeners or appreciate, I think
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And it's funny. 
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after Indiana beat Michigan, 
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talk about that. 
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lost at Northwestern. 
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real on that, it's funny. 
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and I'll put this on Twitter for
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asked me a while ago, like you 
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The Big Ten it's like all right 
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And then I took a breath and 
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because like it's I do is after 
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the Big Ten Network all the 
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Rivalry the Rival. 
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Think of Illinois is a rival for
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our secondary rivals? 
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And I came to like, you know, at
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been kicking our ass. 
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jr. 
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assembly calls court, but I was 
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in a weird rival because it 
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there up, you know, if we had 
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we were good and you guys were 
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We're fighting for the Big Ten 
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been so down so much. 
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would rank, you know, obviously 
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up there for you, but where 
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Owls in the Big Ten if Indiana 
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basketball specific than 
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primary rival, Ohio State 
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relates to football and being a 
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But the Rivalry in basketball 
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even in the same atmosphere as 
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State, Yep, that rivalry not not
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strong. 
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has really developed. 
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flush itself out on Twitter, is 
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something about Illinois fans. 
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do with the according to the 
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ducting that Michigan performed 
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title and not have to split. 
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season. 
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Altered season. 
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So some of those games got 
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up not playing. 
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games in them, but are winning 
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that and there was a lot of 
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That, that rivalry kind of has 
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year or so, and I'm so focused 
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In state rivalry, that that's 
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I don't, I mean Indiana just by 
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had some success and Wilson came
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they're a better team than they 
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But then I ended up buying out a
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most Indiana fans had hoped for 
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They're only a rivalry in the 
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We that we don't want to over 
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you know, like the just Rutgers 
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They're a good team in the Big 
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So to that extent there, a minor
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on Michigan state that it's hard
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My I get that, as funny as 
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Like to hear you're thinking 
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teams that goes all truckers. 
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Northwestern anymore. 
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Minnesota, and maybe bio State 
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somebody who follows will get to
the bracket stuff in a bit. 

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If somebody just kind of follows
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kind of wanted to get like a 
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we're we're stuck in our Indiana
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of, you know, wins losses. 
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the after that Penn State loss 
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as Indiana fans. 
Be pretty freaking out. 

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We're not in a good spot ten and
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Ten, we go on a five-game 
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know, just finished a three-game
winning streak, be lost in 

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Northwestern although I think 
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although the first half didn't 
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But from a larger Point View, 
how do you see Indiana? 

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Do you you know I've been I've 
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know as Indiana fans we have a 
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We've been just trying to claw 
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That you know we're not quite 
used to it as weird as an 

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Indiana fan saying this, but 
we're not used to like kind of 

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what a profile of a 45 seed 
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this is what a profile of a 
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Looks like a team that that has 
some good moments has some bad 

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moments has some good stretches 
bad stretches and but I think a 

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lot of Indiana fans. 
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They're kind of still scared at 
the you know when we had the the

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month-long Swoon so to speak. 
I'm curious how you view it as 

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somebody who's outside the 
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because a trend line up down 
Sideways. 

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You know, what are you seeing? 
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referencing last night's game, 
there's absolutely like you lost

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on the road to a, another clear 
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You know, Northwestern from 
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before I dive into the, the 
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northwestern's trending up, you 
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A couple couple weeks ago. 
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have even been 10 days ago. 
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four teams in and it's just the 
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they've shifted in the black 
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the profile looks, they're 
trending upwards. 

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I my most recent bracket that I 
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here, I Northwestern is the 
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So there there is no shame in 
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Especially the the like you 
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the performant, the flat 
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but there's something admirable.
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into moral victories, all the 
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half comeback and making it a 
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Certainly bodes well for the 
team as opposed to just getting 

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house and sees. 
It's also helpful in booboo, 

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he's able to just push off, you 
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layup, but you know what else? 
Yeah, that's another 

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conversation. 
Big Ten officiate fishing, any 

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goddamn entirely, that's the 
soda. 

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I'm sure that's a whole other 
podcast. 

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Yeah, disservice to the entire 
Big Ten when they get into the 

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tournament but although I yes 
we'll get on that. 

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I will say this is something my 
co host Galen has got me into 

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and now I feel like, you know, 
Charlie from something steal 

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Sunny in Philadelphia with the 
crazy board. 

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If you go on to Ken Palms site 
and you can pull the rest, you 

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can actually see their game log 
schedule. 

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And it is, it's bananas. 
When you see how many games, 

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these guys are working where 
they're working them. 

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Like they were his, an Indiana, 
Michigan State game. 

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Or I think one of the rest had 
worked seven straight games in 

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seven states, for seven days up 
to that game. 

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And it's just like, it's it's 
like you, you know, we look at 

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race tracks and Davis, he's like
24:23, you know, a young kid in 

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great shape. 
And we're like, man. 

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It's gonna be tough for him to 
recover again after playing 40 

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minutes. 
You know, in five days, it's 

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like one of the 58 year old guy 
who's doing the seven days 

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throwing flying Southwest from, 
you know. 

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Anyway, sorry it's a something 
I've been noticing and it's 

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like, it's bananas that the Big 
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leagues and just work as much as
they do. 

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Anyway, sorry, Grant over. 
Yeah, no, that's it. 

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It's a reasonable rent to make. 
But the the, the importance of 

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having that come back and having
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perspective and since the 
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incorporation of efficiency and 
margin of Victory and everything

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that goes into where team is 
seated because the committee I'm

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going to get on my soapbox a 
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the composition of the committee
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out of the committee because 
it's a lot of people that don't 

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watch enough basketball. 
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and make decisions, often time 
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they started watching games in 
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the beginning of March. 
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play once or twice and they have
to be really reliant on these 

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shortcuts in order to adequately
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Try to appropriately, see these 
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So I would really like to see 
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I really like to see these 
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basketball, and watch these 
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and less 80s and college 
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aren't watching. 
All these other teams that just 

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kept rely on paper. 
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really important because you 
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the opening line I checked this 
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line Was northwestern by point 
the Northwestern with my to. 

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So from an analytics perspective
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then they might have dropped a 
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doesn't look as good and every 
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distinguishing these teams on 
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And You know, like, losing to 
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Northwestern on the road. 
That's a quad one loss. 

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And I've actually looked at this
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perspective. 
I have a, I've rely on it a 

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little bit, but I tend to rely 
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teams a little bit more because 
there's only so much that can go

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into these models but I do have 
a model that evaluates how the 

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introduction of the net. 
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that past seating those paths 
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a projection of where they're 
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And a quad one loss, is better 
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So bad winds and I don't think 
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surprised anybody that's been 
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committee seeds teams. 
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Michigan's a perfect example, 
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whatever we were 17 and 14 going
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Because a lot of quad one 
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just playing quality teams, even
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do matter. 
So that from Indiana's 

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perspective last night was not, 
you know, like going into last 

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night, I had Indiana as the, the
top five seed and I have them as

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the top five seats till today. 
So that's just your case in 

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point of a loss does not. 
Move you down to see line or 

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wind? 
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There's so many things and play 
that good losses, really? 

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I moved teams up a seed line 
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and the team ahead of them on 
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So there's just it's you have to
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that and that's something like 
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I think is I've I've learned to 
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or eight years I've done. 
More into the numbers and talk 

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to Galen about this that it's 
like you know rankings like the 

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AP rankings are just way 
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like just because you lose the 
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automatically lose a scene I 
meant. 

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Now what's weird is Indiana was 
kind of projected as a four seed

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in most projections they lost 
and the ones I'm seeing this 

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morning, they're coming in as a 
five and so in this case it kind

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of seemed to have happened but 
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because I think they were the 
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I do think. 
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Vacuum like your kind of 
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You're fighting with like st. 
Mary's, Miami, Florida. 

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Iowa State. 
Connecticut Gonzaga. 

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You know, the problems you have 
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Mary's just aren't going to lose
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not going to lose that many more
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Goodwin's. 
Indiana is, you know, you look 

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at the rest of their schedule, 
really it's probably all quad 

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One games, the rest of the way, 
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I don't, I think maybe the 
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to, but I have to look Kat where
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they're going to be having right
now, that's still showing as a 

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tier one win for Indiana. 
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road, it's like there's so many 
factors at play. 

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It was quite work that way. 
I do think that the way that I 

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will say what Indiana's starting
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Northwestern as I think their 
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a lot tighter. 
Just based on the teams above 

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them and the work. 
They would have to do to get 

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there. 
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about the the Big Ten is the 
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frankly. 
It's a lot of mediocrity from a 

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tournament caliber team 
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lot of teams, you know, like if 
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up my most recent Bracketology, 
but I have Northwestern as a 7. 

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Ayah was a seven, Rutgers is a 
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Maryland as an eight. 
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tier teams and I don't have 
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like you do, but those 
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like if you win all of the 
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then steal game or two that 
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win, then maybe I think that 
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high as a three. 
But again, it's not in a vacuum.

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You need to see how those teams 
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your reference with the tussle 
with Saint Mary's and Gonzaga is

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If Indiana exceeds expectations 
to close the expectations for 

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st. 
Mary's and Gonzaga are twin 

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pretty much all of their games 
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So if they can match tit-for-tat
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even somewhere close that, it's 
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bode well for Indiana because 
those the quality of opposition 

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is just so much higher. 
So this Sunday I believe is when

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doesn't the committee come out 
this Sunday and do their first 

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kind of for top for protected 
seed, kind of projection. 

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Isn't that when you like a 
Bracketology, you get some idea 

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of what the committee is, is 
putting into that Stu this year 

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because me every year it's like 
they kind of focus on something 

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a little bit different. 
And it feels like this is we're 

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coming up on that area where you
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the committee might be, you 
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weight on this year. 
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So that the bracket preview show
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least I haven't documented 
asset. 

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Okay bye. 
David warlock is a good follow 

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for that. 
Kind of information on Twitter. 

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I believe I saw him say that 
it's on Saturday probably around

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I could very well be wrong. 
Maybe like Saturday at noon 

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that's what is in my memory 
anyway. 

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So that show is certainly a 
calibration point for any 

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Bracketology just that that is 
worth their weight. 

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And so I'll be paying attention 
certainly to that and to your 

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point and to my dismay as a 
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especially so my as a 
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So I love I don't for those 99% 
of the population may may or may

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not have heard of what an 
actuary is. 

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But essentially, they do risk 
management and quantification 

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for insurance and Consulting 
companies. 

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Anyway, they the the primary use
of what they do on the job is 

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looking at past data and and 
evaluating that in order to 

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project, what's going to happen 
in the future. 

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So when you As a committee that 
changes like you said what goes 

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into the stew every year and 
you're looking for patterns 

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they're like oh what's their 
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They relied on something else 
last year and it's just kind of 

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a pain to deal with the shifting
of the committee and the shift 

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of their focus. 
And it's like oh well if they 

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seeded teams like they did last 
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this. 
But then they're like oh well 

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this year we focused in on some 
other thing and it just kind of 

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bugs me a little bit but it is 
this that bracket preview shows 

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a great opportunity to Calibrate
where you're at, you know, like,

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when it comes out, I immediately
as any Bracketology should 

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shifts their top four seeds and 
I redo my bracket to align with 

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what the committee does that 
day. 

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And then, you know, like 
calibrated from there, but I'll 

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align with how they come out. 
And I like to for anyone that 

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wants to follow me on Twitter, I
do prior to the show, put out, 

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you know, like my projection 
because most people I think, at 

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this point are focusing on 
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Oh, who are we? 
Play when you get down to the 

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nitty-gritty and, you know, like
and Conference tournament 

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territory, then you can or even 
honestly what you get in the 

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March early. 
March, you can kind of, think 

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about I who's likely for 
infirmity, Anna's perspective. 

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If they're on the 45 line, who's
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That's kind of in the geographic
proximity of us that we could 

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play. 
How do we match up with them? 

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You can start thinking about 
that a little bit later, but now

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people are more focused on 
seating. 

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So, to that extent seeing those 
first four lines and you also 

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get the To see what's nice about
that, especially from Indiana's 

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perspective. 
Is they the, the committee will 

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talk about other teams, they 
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So you can see if Indiana 
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lines. 
If they're at least, they'll 

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usually put at least two other 
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So those you can glean as like 
the top five seats. 

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So you can see really weird 
because Indiana is going to be 

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right in the thick of things for
that. 

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So you if it comes out and 
Indiana's and in the top four 

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and they're In the other teams 
considered category, then you 

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might glean that. 
Hey, the committee isn't doesn't

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view the Big Ten as finely as 
Big Ten fans might wish they 

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did. 
I mean, that's and here fucking 

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to an IU grad and IU fan on 
Indiana podcast. 

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So, take it with a grain of salt
if we're not in at least the 

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other considered. 
I don't know what the committee 

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is looking at. 
And I gotta say, I like Indiana 

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has a Sterling, at that point. 
We will have not played 

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Illinois, but it's like you look
at every metrics for Indiana. 

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And, I mean, we have, you know, 
based on net Northwestern is a, 

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as a tier 2 loss. 
But we have no tier 3 losses, no

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tier 4 losses, all of our other 
losses are Tier 1. 

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We have, I'm not arguing with 
you. 

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I'm just like that would be, 
that would be shocking if we 

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weren't in at least that area. 
It does. 

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So to, I have a Twitter question
based on this, but I do want to 

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ask you this first like, as 
somebody dumb. 

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Maybe. 
But why does the committee 

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changed their their metrics 
every year, or like why wouldn't

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they just say? 
Kind of, here's what we're 

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looking at here, is what you 
need to shoot for and then teams

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can kind of schedule. 
According like, why does it feel

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like some years is all based on 
non-conference scheduling some 

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years it's based on, you know, 
quad or net. 

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One wins. 
Like why do they change their 

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emphasis year to year? 
So this is just a hypothesis. 

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I I wish I knew the answer 
because then I could. 

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You know, look into the pattern 
of how they shift it and who so 

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the first I guess I'll step 
back. 

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The first part isn't so much. 
A hypothesis is a known fact, 

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the the composition of the 
committee changes year to year 

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and who's the head of the? 
There's a certain got it, you 

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know like who heads up the 
committee? 

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I think they get a two-year 
stint and then it changes every 

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two years who's the head of the 
committee. 

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And then I don't quote me on 
this but I'm these numbers are 

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in my head. 
I believe you have a five-year 

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term on the committee but its 
role So it's not like there's a 

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brand new committee every five 
years. 

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Look, some committee members 
shift on during their the Cycles

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differed from one another and 
who's heading up the committee 

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differ. 
So, just based on that alone and

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what a given Committee Member 
values and who falls on often, 

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who comes onto the committee, 
you can have shifting priorities

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in terms of what they value from
a resume perspective. 

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And then the, the cynic in me 
likes to think that The 

445
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:40,200
community doesn't want coaches 
and ades and people that are 

446
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,900
setting, these schedules to be 
able to figure out how to game 

447
00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:48,700
the system. 
And so they want them to have a 

448
00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:52,000
moving Target, all the time. 
So that's I can't say that for 

449
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,700
with certainty, but that's my 
hypothesis that it's they don't 

450
00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:59,900
want to know the ingredients 
that go into this too because 

451
00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:04,200
then they can fine-tune their 
schedules or You like you might 

452
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:09,300
have teams that run tried 
running up the score and games 

453
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:11,500
in order to give their Advanced 
metrics. 

454
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:13,900
It's just they don't they don't 
want that happening. 

455
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:16,700
So for the for that sake that's 
I think that's the other thing 

456
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:19,600
that kind of goes into it. 
And then you got Syracuse, 

457
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,300
sitting there being like, well 
what are these years? 

458
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:23,800
They're going to Value home wins
against Bad opponents. 

459
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,700
We're just going to continually 
schedule nothing but home games 

460
00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:28,900
against garbage opponents. 
And one of these years it's 

461
00:25:28,908 --> 00:25:30,500
going to just it's going to 
we're going to kill it. 

462
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,900
That's behind being behind right
there. 

463
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:36,900
You've been It, it forever. 
Apropos of nothing. 

464
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:40,400
I did I loved his comment where 
he's like something about like, 

465
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,100
you know, I've earned the right 
to say when I'm gonna retire and

466
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:45,500
it's like, okay, well Jimmy, 
you're free to do it any point 

467
00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:49,700
like you are, you are like 78. 
Like, I people are waiting 

468
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:51,700
anyway, not do cares about 
Syracuse. 

469
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,300
We do have a question on Twitter
from Matt Roth. 

470
00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:58,900
Appreciator love, the title lat.
This is kind of a going to this 

471
00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:00,400
idea of like, what goes into, 
you know what? 

472
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,200
The committee looks for last 
year. 

473
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,100
Indiana was punished by the For 
its non-conference slate. 

474
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:07,000
This year, the opponents were 
much tougher, does 

475
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000
non-conference strength of 
schedule help seed case, even if

476
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,800
the games were losses are Xavier
game aside committee sets 

477
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,500
confusing pressing on this. 
See University of Michigan last 

478
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:18,800
year, which you obviously know. 
So I'm curious your thoughts on 

479
00:26:18,808 --> 00:26:23,400
that sure. 
So non-conference strength of 

480
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,200
schedule is one of the, the what
I've noticed in terms of the the

481
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,100
other than that. 
If because the net is the bread 

482
00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:34,400
and butter than that is going to
be What you rely on. 

483
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,100
That's why they developed the 
net and worked with Ken Palms. 

484
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:41,000
Agron, and the advanced metrics 
that go into. 

485
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,800
That is the RPI had come become 
a little bit outmoded, and they 

486
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,600
wanted to incorporate that from 
what I can glean not, not 

487
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,300
overly. 
So, they're still reliant on, 

488
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,200
you know, like, the actual 
tangible performance, they don't

489
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,300
want to become overly reliant on
what a team is capable of, but 

490
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:01,800
it's rather. 
What did you actually do? 

491
00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:06,300
And What I've seen is that, that
non-catholics non-conference 

492
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:09,400
strength of schedule is a big 
thing, and more specifically to 

493
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,900
the question having a strong non
conference loss, is better than 

494
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:15,900
having a week non-conference 
win. 

495
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:21,000
It has been, it always. 
I think it always will be you if

496
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,900
you go back. 
I don't remember exactly what 

497
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,200
what year it was, but there was 
a year where I'm pretty sure it 

498
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,400
was during the net era where 
Michigan, State and Vanderbilt 

499
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:41,000
Both got nine seeds at around 18
and 14, 18 and 13, 17 and 13. 

500
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,400
There it was it was the lowest 
wind total. 

501
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,100
I think that had, and they 
weren't even in the first four, 

502
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:48,000
it was during the first four are
and they weren't, they were 

503
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,900
comfortable, they were on the 89
game. 

504
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:57,100
So that, that is my that is the 
epitome of the, the valuing of 

505
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,100
strength of schedule as a whole 
and non-conference strength is 

506
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:05,300
scheduled plays into that, the 
one, Javier I will put is that 

507
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,300
non conference takes place 
earlier in the year and the 

508
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:11,900
committee tends to have some 
recency bias to a certain 

509
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:15,200
extent. 
They this is a weird thing 

510
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,300
pattern that I've noticed over 
the last three years and its 

511
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:20,800
really frustrated me because I 
would have been that the bracket

512
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,600
Matrix rankings that you alluded
to. 

513
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,800
I would have been a little bit 
higher had I not succumb to 

514
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,700
this, this particular pattern, 
the committee has recency bias 

515
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:34,300
but they I've noticed that they 
severely early undervalue 

516
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:36,700
Conference tournament 
performance because Conference 

517
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:41,800
tournament performance is a hole
of your resume but they they 

518
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,500
have recency bias in terms of 
how did you close the regular 

519
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:47,300
season and then they tend to be 
a little bit dismissive of the 

520
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:49,600
conference tournament. 
I'm getting a little bit 

521
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,300
tangential here to the question 
but the conference tournament 

522
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:58,300
performance. 
If you look at where a team is 

523
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:02,000
seated, going into the 
conference tournament and where 

524
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,800
they end up in the There's not 
a, in my opinion, there's not 

525
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,700
enough movement based on their 
conference tournament 

526
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:12,600
performance. 
And the case in point was last 

527
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,600
year, was Texas A&M being left 
out when they made a run to the 

528
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,000
conference Championship in the 
SEC. 

529
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,400
And if you put pair that with 
their resume as a whole going 

530
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,500
into the conference tournament, 
they were certainly a tournament

531
00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:28,300
team, but the committee was 
like, oh well we don't want to. 

532
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:31,400
It's almost like they go in the 
other direction, like oh, we 

533
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,400
don't want to overweight car. 
Efforts tournament so 

534
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,300
performance so much that they 
underweight it. 

535
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:40,500
But, but circling back to the 
actual question not conference 

536
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:46,200
strength of schedule is a big 
deal that net obviously quad one

537
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,400
wins and losses, just quad quad.
One games is a big thing and 

538
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,800
those are the, what I referenced
earlier. 

539
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,800
Those are kind of, what's what I
refer to as heuristics or 

540
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,900
shortcuts for the committee that
maybe doesn't get to see a lot 

541
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,200
of these teams. 
And they're like, oh, what can 

542
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,400
we rely on? 
Oh, well, Quad one wins and 

543
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,000
losses. 
We know those are quality 

544
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,800
opponents. 
We set this algorithm in a way 

545
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,500
that we can use that as a 
shortcut to kind of identify the

546
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:15,700
the quality of games that a team
played. 

547
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,000
And from that perspective 
Indiana's, looking good because 

548
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,000
they have 12 quad One games. 
Granted they're below, 500 but 5

549
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,500
and 7 in Quad one is better than
2 and 2 or something like that. 

550
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:31,500
So yeah. 
And one thing you know I always 

551
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:35,000
got bugged by you talk about. 
The schedule is always my 

552
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,200
thought. 
You please correct me if I'm 

553
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,100
wrong but I always felt like 
with you know the trouble with 

554
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:43,400
with crean and his scheduling at
the end for Indiana is like I'm 

555
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,800
just going to go to his like the
2016 season is like it wasn't 

556
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,200
that you know our non-conference
we didn't play top-level 

557
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,900
opponents but to me it was 
always like when you play like 

558
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:58,900
Eastern, Illinois, or Alcorn 
State or McNeese State, you're 

559
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:01,800
playing these teams that are, 
you know, in the Ken Palm 250 

560
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,900
plus, and I would always say 
like that that basically is like

561
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,100
a zero if not a - to the 
committee like it just doesn't 

562
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:11,400
do anything. 
And I would always say just just

563
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,100
play like Indiana State or 
somebody who's like in that 

564
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:18,700
hundred 150 range in the in Ken 
Palm rankings and you're still 

565
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:21,700
going to win, but you're not 
killing your schedule, an oddly 

566
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:23,600
looking at our schedule this 
year before we thought of it, 

567
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,700
like we're kind of hurting our 
non-conference. 

568
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,700
You know, we have some high 
level, you know, the wind Xavier

569
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:31,500
was good, the North Carolina 
game, we played rukka, we played

570
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:34,600
a sorry, Arizona Kansas a good 
teams, but But I will say some 

571
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,900
of those other teams like you 
look at you know Morehead State 

572
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:40,200
Bethune-Cookman Little Rock 
Jackson State Elon, Kennesaw 

573
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,900
State Kennesaw State is 143 so 
they're fine. 

574
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:45,800
But like a lot of those teams I 
just mentioned are 250 or 

575
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,200
harming Bethune-Cookman 351st 
and Ken Palm elon's 322nd. 

576
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,600
Obviously you know teams don't 
always pan out the way you 

577
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,300
expect them to. 
But you had if teams that are in

578
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:58,700
the three hundreds of Ken Palm, 
you probably knew they were 

579
00:31:58,700 --> 00:31:59,800
going to suck going into the 
year. 

580
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,200
And I it feels like cream was 
doing that in a That was really 

581
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,500
hurting our ability under crean 
to make tournament runs. 

582
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,600
Is that our other non-conference
wasn't there? 

583
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,200
An oddly looking at this year? 
It's like, maybe that is what's 

584
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,000
pulling our ratings down a 
little bit. 

585
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,800
But like you said, if we're 
winning Big 10 games, really 

586
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,400
doesn't matter. 
Yeah. 

587
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:25,900
And and I found in tracking the 
net and where these teams come 

588
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:30,000
out in terms of opportunities 
and trying to minimize the 

589
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,100
number of quad for games, you 
have and get more quad three 

590
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:35,800
games even just because, you 
know, like you're not going to 

591
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,700
run, I don't know if you saw 
Michigan, State's non-conference

592
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:41,500
schedule will not everyone's 
going to be willing to do 

593
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:45,300
something like that, where you 
just play an inordinate amount 

594
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:49,700
of really, really good teams in 
a very short span, but To your 

595
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:50,500
point. 
Yeah. 

596
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:56,700
Trying to Target those teams 
that are going to be in that 125

597
00:32:56,700 --> 00:33:03,200
to 200 range in the net. 
And you can use the the can the 

598
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,300
the preseason rankings and Ken 
pom is a sort of proxy for that.

599
00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:08,100
Those are going to be a great 
opportunities. 

600
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:11,000
And just I mean any other 
states, a good example, anybody 

601
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,000
that's in sort of a mid-tier 
conference instead of playing 

602
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,000
someone from the meac or the 
swac, or the northeast, or one 

603
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,700
of those, you know, Perennially 
16c generating conferences, 

604
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:27,100
played somebody from the 
Missouri Valley or somebody from

605
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:30,800
the summit or something, you 
know, like, you know, like and 

606
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,000
and try not to play that, you 
know, like play them middle of 

607
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,400
the road team from one of those 
conferences, because then you're

608
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,400
going to get when they get in 
the conference play those that 

609
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:44,000
if you place them from the meac 
swac, whatever, they're, they're

610
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,800
only going to drop because 
they're just going to play a lot

611
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,400
of trash teams. 
And in conference, But if you 

612
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,600
can play a middle-of-the-road 
team that still should be very 

613
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,200
beatable from a mid-tier 
mid-major, then they're going to

614
00:33:56,208 --> 00:34:00,300
be playing like even if they 
don't end up placing in the top 

615
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:02,700
two or three in the conference, 
they're going to be playing a 

616
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:05,900
team. 
That a couple of times a year, 

617
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:07,400
they're going to be playing a 
team or two. 

618
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,300
That is up there that they can 
lose to that they can then even 

619
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,199
with that loss, improve their 
net. 

620
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:18,300
So it's just from a scheduling 
perspective philosophically. 

621
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:22,800
It's Coaches are really an 80s 
or really way better off 

622
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:31,100
scheduling mid tier teams from a
mid-tier mid-major than they are

623
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:35,100
like a high-end team from a 
terrible conference. 

624
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:36,800
Yeah. 
And that's something as I look 

625
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,000
at like you know Indiana versus 
Iowa State when you look at 

626
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,100
their you know their resumes 
like Iowa State just has one to 

627
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,600
four of eight you know, net Tier
1 wins. 

628
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,100
Indiana, you know, has six. 
And then it's like we have, you 

629
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:59,100
know, 37 tier 4 wins. 
They only have, you know, five 

630
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,900
and again some of this is all 
fluid because like, you know, 

631
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,600
unfortunately Minnesota's to 
your for, you know, Michigan 

632
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,300
State for us that when you 
Michigan State's. 

633
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:08,400
Now, a tier 2 team. 
They might move up to a tier 

634
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,500
one, who knows? 
But it's all set. 

635
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,500
I also want to go back real 
quick and just edit. 

636
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:16,100
One thing I said I was looking 
at the wrong Northwestern game 

637
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:18,800
are lost last night at 
Northwestern was eight. 

638
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000
Tier 1 loss, that's my mistake 
the loss at home, the 

639
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,800
Northwestern is a tear to loss 
and then that I say that's my 

640
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,100
fault, but also, it's like 
Indiana shouldn't be having two 

641
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:30,700
losses in Northwestern any 
season. 

642
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:33,400
So that's that's partially. 
That's partially Indiana's fault

643
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,300
as well. 
Before I go to the final kind of

644
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:39,200
like a couple just committee 
questions theories. 

645
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,800
I want to run by you but just 
Big. 

646
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,800
Ten is a whole kind of taken the
Bracketology out of it. 

647
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,400
Just as somebody who looks the 
numbers looks at all this. 

648
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:50,200
You know who I'll ask you the 
question. 

649
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,400
This week's think produce, 
definitely heads and tails 

650
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,700
above, you know, everyone else, 
who do you see as the the second

651
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,200
best team in the Big Ten and 
maybe kind of give us your 

652
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,400
thoughts on you know teams two 
through four. 

653
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,400
If you can kind of break that 
that mess up a little bit. 

654
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,800
Sure and talk any smack you want
about to about, Purdue feel free

655
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,000
there that I can't talk to their
having a phenomenally or my I 

656
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,300
guess the the extent of the sea 
Mac, I can talk about Purdue is,

657
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,700
let's see what they actually do 
in the tournament, because Matt 

658
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:29,000
Painter has a has a penchant for
he's not quite to to Rick Barnes

659
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,900
level in terms of tournament, 
performance and underachieving. 

660
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:37,100
But he, he, you know, like he 
has a penchant for, we'll see 

661
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:39,000
how they do when they actually 
get in the tournament play. 

662
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,500
But here's what I was telling a 
friend Jared part of the home, 

663
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:46,600
network Jared from assembly call
worth, you'll have the pencil. 

664
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:48,500
It's gotten getting old to 
Purdue game together. 

665
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,700
Weeks ago, you know, Edie gotten
a for Ed, he got in foul trouble

666
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:54,900
because you know, he's only 
getting, you know, one point, 

667
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:57,900
six fouls or 1.8 thousand game 
in the Big Ten, you know, just 

668
00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:00,400
him and every other guard the 
country, it's makes a lot of 

669
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,800
sense. 
But you know, he had two fouls 

670
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,800
in the first half, they benched 
him and then Purdue looked kind 

671
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,300
of pedestrian. 
I mean, they're still great to 

672
00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:09,400
you. 
I'm not talking too much smack, 

673
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,000
but they say it looks 
pedestrian. 

674
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,700
They looked a little bit unsure 
without e.t. as any team would 

675
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,300
without, you know, such a 
gravitational pull like that but

676
00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:20,200
I was telling Jarrod like this 
This is what I think should 

677
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,100
scare every Purdue fan at their 
core is this is going to happen 

678
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:26,200
in the tournament like in the 
tournament he's going to be 

679
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,200
called way differently. 
He's going to have a game maybe 

680
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,000
to where he's in foul trouble 
and it's not going to be Indiana

681
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,900
that it's milk Alabama or 
somebody in the Elite 8 who's 

682
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:39,600
going to be running up and down 
and you know I'm that's what I 

683
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,800
think unfortunately is not 
enforced. 

684
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:42,800
I think it's gonna happen to 
Purdue. 

685
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,400
I think at the core every Purdue
fan is frightened of that. 

686
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,700
There will be a game where he 
gets three fouls in the first 

687
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:51,100
half and They're staring down 
like, you know, two young 

688
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:54,600
freshman guards playing, you 
know, super athletic guys, from 

689
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,700
Alabama, or Houston and just 
being like, Oh my God, what's 

690
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:59,500
happening to our season? 
Again, that's my thought. 

691
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:01,900
I'm curious. 
If you see that happening to, or

692
00:38:01,908 --> 00:38:05,700
if I'm just to Indiana base to 
make to view /, do you know 

693
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:09,300
objectively know? 
I would be concerned if I was a 

694
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:11,500
Purdue fan to be. 
Well, anytime you have a 

695
00:38:11,508 --> 00:38:16,300
Reliance on a, especially a 
Reliance on a big coming from 

696
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:19,900
the Big Ten, and I mean, I 
Alluded to this when I made the 

697
00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:23,200
my joke, about the Big Ten 
officiating earlier was just, 

698
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,500
they officiate it in a 
different, they don't let you 

699
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:30,100
play football bath, tackle 
basketball. 

700
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,900
When you get into the 
tournament, they officiated a 

701
00:38:32,908 --> 00:38:35,400
different way. 
And so, if you you get eating in

702
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:41,200
foul trouble, I agreed Purdue is
that, I mean, they could Bow-Wow

703
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,900
out and 89 games. 
They get the wrong, they run 

704
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:47,200
into the wrong team or certainly
in the sweet 16 that becomes a 

705
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,400
risk. 
So you need to You need to be 

706
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:55,700
cautiously worried about that 
and try to and if I'm Matt 

707
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:59,800
Painter, I'm preparing and not 
to put the cart before the 

708
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,400
horse. 
But I'm preparing for how I 

709
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,700
avoid facing that situation 
this. 

710
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:11,300
But I mean like that's if I 
after selection Sunday but in 

711
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:14,200
the interim between that and the
start of the tournament, I'm 

712
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,100
doing everything I can to say, 
how do we keep Zaki out of foul 

713
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:19,300
trouble, because it changes the 
team dynamic. 

714
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,300
McEntire lie. 
So, anyway, back to the original

715
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:23,700
question. 
I'm like, you know, how do you 

716
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,800
see the rest of the Big Ten 
after that? 

717
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,500
Yeah, I think Indiana's. 
The second best team in the Big 

718
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:30,900
Ten. 
Forget the standings. 

719
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:36,500
I think that Indiana is I don't.
The Gap is large, certainly 

720
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:39,600
between them and where I view 
Purdue I think produce Far and 

721
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,500
Away the best team but Indiana I
would have as the second-best 

722
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:46,000
team. 
Illinois is right there too. 

723
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,200
It seems like every time I want 
to be Confident that Indiana's 

724
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,200
comfortably the second best team
they really do. 

725
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,100
Something that makes me question
that any time I want to think. 

726
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,400
Oh, maybe Illinois, surpassed 
them, they do something that 

727
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,300
makes me question that. 
But I think there that's pretty 

728
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:07,800
comfortably, two and three. 
And honestly, if I'm, you know, 

729
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,300
like after the I think they're 
comfortably two and three and 

730
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:14,300
after that, you got, that's 
where I get a little bit more 

731
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:17,900
muddied. 
And and where I think you can 

732
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:22,900
put, Michigan State, Maryland, 
Iowa and Rutgers and any which 

733
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:26,300
order you want to put them in 
and any any point in time you 

734
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:30,200
know. 
Like I think you know like you 

735
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,600
want to think that that Rutgers 
at home is the that the rack is 

736
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,500
a tough place to play but from 
remembering correctly. 

737
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:41,500
I don't I pretty sure they just 
lost to Nebraska at Iraq the 

738
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:43,900
other night and might might be 
misremembering. 

739
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:46,100
It might have been on the road 
but I'm pretty sure that they 

740
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:51,500
you know, like they That they 
lost at home drunk to Nebraska. 

741
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:54,300
So knowing that was, yeah, yeah,
so I'm saying that with 

742
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:57,400
conference that oh man, Rutgers 
is impossible place to. 

743
00:40:57,500 --> 00:40:59,600
It's going to last place to win 
on the road and then they go and

744
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,500
do that. 
So it's like all of those, those

745
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:05,500
four teams. 
It's that's, that's the for I 

746
00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:08,900
kind of think of how I totally 
admitted Northwestern. 

747
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,800
Sorry. 
I can't believe that skip my 

748
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,400
mind, but yeah, Northwestern is 
Comfortably for and then those 

749
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,900
sorry. 
I, I can't believe I forgot 

750
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:19,800
those forgot about North. 
Estimate though. 

751
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:25,400
Yeah, Northwestern is for 
despite the fact that they like 

752
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,300
that, they swept Indiana. 
I still think that, that think 

753
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:30,700
that might just be a matchup 
thing or, you know, like any, 

754
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:32,300
it's anybody's guess how that 
happened. 

755
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:35,400
But, yeah. 
So reconvening Purdue 

756
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,600
comfortably. 
One Indiana, Illinois, tooth 

757
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,000
pretty comfortably to I'd say 
two and three Northwestern for 

758
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:49,400
and then those other teams model
at at five through eight and My 

759
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,900
if you look at my seating that 
kind of back that up. 

760
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:57,000
So Quince identity how the teams
are performed and how I view 

761
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,700
them as a quality of team, I 
think pretty well aligns. 

762
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:04,400
I don't think anyone's really 
under or over performed. 

763
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,200
What should be expected of them 
thus far today? 

764
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,400
Maybe, maybe if you look at 
preseason stuff, definitely, if 

765
00:42:12,408 --> 00:42:14,900
you look at preseason stuff as a
Michigan fan, Michigan and Ohio 

766
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:17,800
State of significantly 
underperformed not even being in

767
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,300
the yeah. 
Miss fear of tournament 

768
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:26,100
eligibility, but A couple 
prediction questions and you 

769
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:30,600
know, it's tough to say. 
But for would you say that when 

770
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,800
we get to selection Sunday, 
Indiana will have the second 

771
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:41,100
highest seed in the Big Ten. 
They have a tough close to eat 

772
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:43,100
you, you reference, they're 
tough. 

773
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:47,800
They have a lot of opportunities
if they significantly under 

774
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,100
achieve with those opportunities
to close the year, there's a 

775
00:42:51,107 --> 00:42:54,500
possibility, the Illinois 
Northwestern could could take. 

776
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:59,200
Could you serve them in that 
that position but I think it's 

777
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,900
very likely they will be the 
second. 

778
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:04,300
Highest seated. 
Big Ten team do you think they 

779
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:06,600
would be? 
Like I'm kind of viewing them. 

780
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,700
As Is like 327, like I think I 
always think of, you know, 

781
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:11,700
seating is very much, like, you 
know, hurricane. 

782
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:13,600
I just live in Houston for a 
while, just like you have the 

783
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,900
cone of uncertainty and like as 
the hurricane gets closer, kind 

784
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:18,900
of widen, you know, tightens up.
And I think, you know, we've 

785
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:22,000
lost one and two were probably 
not going to drop to, you know, 

786
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,700
eight, nine ten obviously, if we
lose out, things could happen. 

787
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:29,400
But I am assuming, you know, 
kind of we're going to, you 

788
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,700
know, hold serve at home. 
Probably lose Michigan State. 

789
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:33,500
Presuming, who knows what's 
going to happen? 

790
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:36,600
But again, I look at kind of 
that. 

791
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:38,500
Rage is like our cone of 
uncertainty. 

792
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:41,000
Now, would you think that's a 
fair way to look at it? 

793
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,300
You think it's even tighter than
that? 

794
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:43,800
Like, good. 
Would you say four to six? 

795
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:47,200
Yeah, and I know exactly the 
concept. 

796
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,000
I refer to it as the alligator 
mouth. 

797
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,800
Yep. 
So the alligator mouth 

798
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,500
tightening or it starts off wide
and it tightens up. 

799
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,000
I think that we're if you want 
to, if I want to put a 

800
00:43:59,008 --> 00:44:05,800
confidence interval, I think 
very very the the the tail of 

801
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:07,900
tail side. 
Of each of that distribution, 

802
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:10,600
you know like that three side, 
seven side think it's very 

803
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,900
unlikely. 
I think you're if you're if I 

804
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:18,000
can say it was probably about 
95% certainty that that Indiana 

805
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,600
should wind up between a 42-6. 
The one unique feature about 

806
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,600
that that could throw a wrench 
in that, is that a lot of those 

807
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,900
Big Ten teams that are behind 
them, are currently on that 

808
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:33,100
seven line. 
So you have Northwestern Iowa, 

809
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:39,300
Rutgers, Michigan State so in 
with That being said those, 

810
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:42,100
those are other Big Ten teams 
where if you, if the committee, 

811
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:50,600
put some weird emphasis on where
you fell in terms of seating 

812
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,900
teams that are on the same 
conference where you fall in the

813
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:56,300
conference standings, then that 
could shift things a little bit,

814
00:44:56,300 --> 00:45:00,600
maybe leave or not a door, open 
for them to drop as low as a 

815
00:45:00,607 --> 00:45:02,800
seven. 
Or like you said, hey Tiff 

816
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,500
before Escape worst, worst worst
case scenario happens but I'm 

817
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,200
95% confident they'll end up 
between a 46. 

818
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,200
Yeah, I mean it's that I would 
agree with you. 

819
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:17,200
I still think it's a world where
they can hit a three, but they'd

820
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,300
have to probably went out and 
definitely win one of those 

821
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:22,200
Michigan State, Purdue Road 
games. 

822
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,900
It's the big Ten's going to be 
weird because I honestly feel 

823
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:28,200
better about projecting 
Indiana's seed than where 

824
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,000
they're going to finish the Big 
Ten because they could finish 

825
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,200
second, they could finish like, 
eight, the good just based on 

826
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,500
like there could be like, you 
know, the 14th tiebreak. 

827
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:38,300
Figure out where they finished 
in the Big Ten. 

828
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,700
I don't know there's such a 
muddle Mass there in the middle,

829
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:44,500
who knows? 
I've two more kind of conspiracy

830
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:46,800
questions to ask you that. 
I want to ask a bracket ologist 

831
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,000
before we wrap up. 
So one, I've represent Bunch 

832
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,900
while my better friends guile is
the neighborhood on the street 

833
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:58,100
with me Robert as Michigan State
fan but we're both big, big 

834
00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:59,300
basketball college, basketball 
fans. 

835
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:01,500
He's had this theory that I love
for a while. 

836
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:06,500
He's convinced that the 
committee already has everything

837
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,000
NG in place before the Big Ten 
championship game, like he 

838
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,600
thinks it's such a mistake, we 
play it right before the 

839
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,600
selection Sunday. 
I know it's great for, you know,

840
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,300
lead in and get some viewers, 
but he's I personally think they

841
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:20,500
probably have to two sets but 
he's like, no, it's all set like

842
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:22,500
no matter what happens in that 
game, they've already set the 

843
00:46:22,508 --> 00:46:25,700
bracket and it's all kind of 
fake of what happens there. 

844
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:28,800
I'm curious if you think that's 
true or if the Big Ten is 

845
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,700
hurting Itself by being the last
game, before the bracket reveal,

846
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,700
I 100% subscribe. 
Is conspiracy theory. 

847
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,800
I don't think it's to the point 
that I don't think it's a 

848
00:46:40,808 --> 00:46:43,200
conspiracy theory at all. 
I think the big time is doing a 

849
00:46:43,207 --> 00:46:45,700
massive disservice. 
I think there are a couple 

850
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:46,500
other. 
I know my know. 

851
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:47,500
There are a couple other 
conferences. 

852
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:52,300
I can't remember who maybe the 
American might play on that 

853
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:57,200
Sunday as well. 
Maybe the SEC, I don't remember 

854
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,900
for sure, but it is a disservice
to the conference and I do think

855
00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:02,900
the completely are the 
committee's completely 

856
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:05,200
dismissive of results. 
On Sunday. 

857
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:09,100
I may Be part of it as me, being
a little bit of a cynic. 

858
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:14,600
And if someone wants to this is 
a, this is a pitch for following

859
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,000
me on Twitter. 
If someone wants to follow me 

860
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,700
Twitter and check my very old 
tweets from last year. 

861
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:24,900
I think I tweeted something to 
this very topic and and my 

862
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:28,200
cynicism about this because 
there's something that bracket 

863
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,800
the what how they grade 
Bracketology star on something 

864
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,000
called a payment score and 
basically it's get six points. 

865
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,400
If you accurately project a 
teams Seed, you get four points,

866
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,900
if you predict it within plus, 
or minus one line, you get three

867
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:45,400
points if you accurately, 
predict them in the field, but 

868
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,300
are off by more than one seed 
line. 

869
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:49,800
Then obviously, if there were 
some team that made the field 

870
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,000
that you didn't have in, you get
zero points for that. 

871
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,400
So that's how your scored. 
It's called a payment score. 

872
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:59,000
My payment score last year would
have been, I think Four Points 

873
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,900
higher, or maybe even six points
higher if I would have just had 

874
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,400
my Saturday bracket, be my final
bracket It because I adjusted my

875
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,200
bracket for the result on Sunday
and it didn't matter less 

876
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,600
accurate. 
So that is that is the, the 

877
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,300
epitome of that conspiracy 
theory and I 100% subscribe to 

878
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:22,400
it. 
The committee completely 

879
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:29,100
disregards Sunday results. 
And so I would like to see The 

880
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:32,300
big tent, I'd like to see all 
Conference Championship in a 

881
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:35,400
perfect scenario or set up and I
think this is what the Tweet 

882
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,400
said, maybe not verbatim, but 
something close to. 

883
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,600
This is all conference 
tournaments to be completed on 

884
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:48,800
Saturday and then give the 
committee that, that much longer

885
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,700
do actually and, and prevent the
committee because the committee 

886
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:57,400
starts the bracketing process 
earlier on and prevent the 

887
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:02,300
committee from doing Any 
bracketing or seating or who's 

888
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:05,800
in, who's out until every single
game is completed. 

889
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,300
So that kind of pushes twofold 
one. 

890
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:10,600
You don't have scenarios where 
they can disregard someone 

891
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,600
seating based on a championship 
game and to you don't have a 

892
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,600
scenario where you put in a 
pinch because some team that 

893
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,000
wasn't in the field wins. 
You don't have to create all of 

894
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,700
these you know like five 
different brackets 40. 

895
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:26,600
What if this person wins the 
team wins? 

896
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,600
What if this team wins so I'd 
like to see Everything moved up 

897
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,600
to Saturday and prevent any 
brand and give them 24 hours or 

898
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:38,200
36 hours to complete it after, I
guess it would be 24 hours after

899
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,900
that to complete the bracket 
have one and done. 

900
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:43,400
I love that idea. 
I like that a lot. 

901
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,300
The other thing, this is not a 
conspiracy it's just something 

902
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:50,200
that I've noticed just kind of 
off hand if I had to put money 

903
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,300
on it there's like a 2% chance 
Indiana's going to play in the 

904
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:58,600
Albany bracket just because I 
feel like when you look at you, 

905
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,600
Like Joe lunardi or guys, who 
put actually put out, you know, 

906
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,700
the full bracket with like 
locations, it feels like 

907
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,300
whenever we've been in the 
tournament and Grant we have 

908
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:10,100
been in the tournament enough 
lately, but I remember growing 

909
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:12,700
up it was always like we would 
just be slotted like play and 

910
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:14,600
you know, wherever Pittsburgh 
pits and then all of a sudden, 

911
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,300
the grant comes out. 
It's like, I start looking at 

912
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:19,100
like flights, like I do go to 
Pittsburgh kinda like mentally, 

913
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,800
think about that. 
And all that, like, we're always

914
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,300
somewhere different, like it's 
just like, no matter where we 

915
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:26,400
and we've been slotted, and that
Albany bracket, and like 90% of 

916
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,000
the brackets I seen. 
And it's just kind of Totally. 

917
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,300
It always feels like wherever it
seems like we're going to go. 

918
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:33,500
We never go. 
So we'll probably end up in 

919
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:36,200
like, you know, Denver Orlando 
or something. 

920
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,300
The other one too. 
Just, I'll go think this is 

921
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:41,400
conspiracy at all. 
I think the committee does it. 

922
00:50:41,408 --> 00:50:44,900
They never say it, but it's like
one of the real things that does

923
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:48,300
get put into that stew. 
That never gets talked about, is

924
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:52,400
I firmly believe the committee 
looks at all the stuff we're 

925
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,100
talking about but then they go 
down and look at like, what's 

926
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,600
the best matchups from a TV show
perspective. 

927
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,800
And put together and I think 
that they like I think that 

928
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,100
affects both seed lines at 
times. 

929
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:07,500
Like I guarantee they're going 
to look at like, oh Houston 

930
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:12,200
Houston the one seed and you 
know it if Indiana is a five 

931
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,000
like five to six, it's like 
what. 

932
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,400
If we put Indiana in the same 
bracket as Houston, then we can 

933
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,900
have Indiana versus K Samson 
like let's put that together. 

934
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:21,200
Like Indiana. 
Kentucky a couple of years ago I

935
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,300
was I was astonished astonished 
when bob Knight was coaching at 

936
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:30,600
Texas Tech and we were never In 
like a sub bracket with them, 

937
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,400
like the years we were there. 
We were always my other side of 

938
00:51:32,408 --> 00:51:34,800
the bracket. 
I was like, this is so unlike 

939
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,900
the instead of like maybe that 
was almost two hands fisted to 

940
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:40,800
have like Indiana versus Texas 
Tech and Bob night against him 

941
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,000
but I think it's something that 
we all kind of understand. 

942
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,400
But I truly believe that it 
probably can affect an entire 

943
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,900
seed line from like up or down 
that they do try and make 

944
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,100
matchups where they look at like
what would the sweet 16 Ali 

945
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:56,500
date? 
Final four matchups be. 

946
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:59,100
And I think they even do it 
early in the Tournament, you 

947
00:51:59,107 --> 00:52:00,900
know, can we make some fun 
matchups early on? 

948
00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:02,900
So I'm curious your thoughts 
again. 

949
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:05,100
I think it's a theory. 
I think it's pretty obvious, but

950
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:07,600
I think it's one of those things
that like we kind of joke, but 

951
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,000
if I think in the end it 
probably does, it could affect 

952
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,000
seeding as much as maybe any 
other Factor we've talked about 

953
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,500
sure. 
So let me handle this one thing 

954
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:20,200
at a time. 
First one, if you go to my 

955
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,600
website once again, I'll 
shamelessly plugging away. 

956
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,500
And yeah, 1313 one sports.com up
towards the top when I have 

957
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:29,200
this. 
See lines. 

958
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,300
There's actually a hyperlink to 
a bracket that I do on a daily 

959
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:36,000
basis that does have all of the 
sub regionals and everything. 

960
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,400
The same way that lunardi and 
all of the more well-known but I

961
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,700
will say less accurate. 
If you look at those bracket 

962
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:46,400
Matrix rankings again 
shamelessly Bracketology just do

963
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,200
so it does project where 
everyone's going to be and to 

964
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,300
your point Scott. 
It had. 

965
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:55,400
I have Indiana plane at Albany 
so you can book your flights 

966
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,100
not. 
Now, don't book your flights. 

967
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:00,100
This is not an ad. 
No, it just seems like they 

968
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:01,500
never end up. 
They never go where they 

969
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:03,100
supposed to go. 
But yeah, sure. 

970
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:07,600
So yeah. 
So I do move those around and 

971
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:12,000
part of what goes into that is, 
you know, like they get 

972
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,400
geographical preference two 
teams, one through four, 

973
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,700
obviously in in descending 
order. 

974
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:21,600
So you're one lines are going to
get the first first dibs and get

975
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,200
priority than by time. 
You get to the floor, you know, 

976
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,400
like you might have run out of 
sometimes it even happens at 3 

977
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:31,100
you might run out of of a, you 
know, like a sub Regional pod 

978
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:34,300
that doesn't have a geographic 
proximity that a team would like

979
00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:36,500
so they have to be shipped off 
somewhere else. 

980
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:42,700
So honestly from a weird, 
Geographic perspective and might

981
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:45,400
actually be better if for any 
and a fans if they want to 

982
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,500
travel to be on the 5 line. 
Because once they get down to 

983
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:51,900
four, just based on the teams 
that are ahead of them, you 

984
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:54,300
know, like produced going to go 
to is going to take up one of 

985
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:58,500
the Columbus pods and if they're
on the for line, Indiana can't 

986
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,100
In that you're like, they won, 
that can't be in the same 

987
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:07,100
Regional as for do because of, 
they have to deviate the based 

988
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:10,100
on the bracketing rules. 
But to if Columbus is already 

989
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:13,100
taken as a sub Regional that 
they're not going to have the 

990
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:16,300
opportunity to go there and so 
like Columbus or Des Moines 

991
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:20,900
those, you know, like the and 
all but albany's, probably those

992
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:23,700
based on the teams that are 
ahead of them albany's going to 

993
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:25,900
be the best bet for something 
that's closest. 

994
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:28,500
Where you might get a team like 
a Marquette Park. 

995
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,100
Connecticut, or one of those big
east teams taking Albany as a 

996
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:36,500
four seat or a, excuse me, as a 
for seeing, then they go there 

997
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:41,600
as a five as opposed to if they 
get up to the for line and 

998
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:47,000
there's somebody else that has 
Albany already taken, and all of

999
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,500
the closer regionals already 
taken, that's where you end up 

1000
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:54,500
getting shipped to, I, don't 
know, Sacramento or Birmingham 

1001
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:59,500
or one of the less less clothes.
Jinnah locations. 

1002
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:05,600
So to that extent, I that, that 
might be something weird. 

1003
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,600
Nuance that Indiana fans might 
want to cheer for the, the, the 

1004
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,700
counter that of The Devil's 
Advocate to that is just the 

1005
00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:17,000
everybody and their brother 
knows about the classic 512 

1006
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,500
matchup in to the extent that 
that wants to be avoided. 

1007
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:25,100
You'd rather much rather play 
the next tier 3 conference 

1008
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:29,800
champion and not end up playing 
somebody like a Charles Danner 

1009
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,300
Southern Miss or Liberty, or one
of those teams that or heaven 

1010
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:35,200
forbid. 
Play Oral Roberts that as Mac 

1011
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,900
sadness, and he's just a stud 
having that Stuttgart where they

1012
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:43,800
can go off. 
And yep, go on a run, but going 

1013
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:49,700
on a given bit of a tangent but 
it certainly, I think it's 

1014
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:57,200
probable that Indiana ends up 
and not based on where I, how I 

1015
00:55:57,207 --> 00:56:01,100
have Team seated right now. 
Excuse me, they should avoid 

1016
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:03,600
Sacramento and Denver, but they 
might. 

1017
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,500
I mean like the ship location 
would be more likely Orlando or 

1018
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:09,800
Birmingham. 
So to the extent that you want 

1019
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,300
to go to Orlando in March, which
is a great time that that's 

1020
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:15,500
that's I don't think people are 
going to complain about that 

1021
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:19,800
regarding the matchup. 
So that's that's not even a 

1022
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,000
conspiracy theory either. 
That's 100% accurate or I'm very

1023
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,000
confident that that happens. 
I don't think it happens. 

1024
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:36,700
I would say it's a little bit 
less from a from the summer 

1025
00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:39,600
summer olympics. 
That you suggested that might be

1026
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,000
willing to perform in order to 
align those teams. 

1027
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,600
I don't think it's quite like 
shifting entire seed line. 

1028
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,100
I don't know that it's quite to 
that. 

1029
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,000
I believe it's quite to that 
extent, maybe. 

1030
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,100
But I certainly think it's that 
they, when they have these teams

1031
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:57,000
seated, they're like, all right,
you know? 

1032
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:00,000
Like here's a couple teams that 
Aren't going to be you know like

1033
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,900
great TV ratings let's put them 
in the same sub-regional pod. 

1034
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,400
Oh, we have North Carolina as a 
tendon. 

1035
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,200
And I mean it can't be Duke 
because Dukes in the same 

1036
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,400
conference, but some other big 
draw, you know, like say 

1037
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:17,100
Michigan. 
State was a seven, you know? 

1038
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:19,300
Like if they could have North 
Carolina, Michigan State, 

1039
00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:21,800
there's like, oh, well, there's 
some animosity between those 

1040
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,400
teams because North Carolina, 
like, last time Michigan State 

1041
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,500
played in the, I think it's the 
last time. 

1042
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:29,800
Michigan State played in 
Championship, North Carolina, 

1043
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,700
random off the court. 
I mean, that was whatever was I 

1044
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:34,100
think that was when I was in 
school. 

1045
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,000
But you know like there's those 
opportunities to have those kind

1046
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,800
of matchups. 
Certainly when it, you know, 

1047
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,100
like setting them up in the 
first round or in that than the 

1048
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:48,100
same sub-regional pod. 
I think that happens if there's 

1049
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:51,300
an opportunity, I will say, you 
said moving seed lines. 

1050
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,300
If it's borderline, I think 
maybe they do it, you know. 

1051
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:58,300
Like if this team say, in my 
example, they had Michigan. 

1052
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:01,500
State as the best eight seed and
they wanted them to Point North 

1053
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:02,200
Carolina. 
Sure. 

1054
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,400
Maybe they shimmy them up to the
worst 7 seed to facilitate that,

1055
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,100
but I don't think they make 
massive movements to that, but I

1056
00:58:10,107 --> 00:58:11,800
certainly think they do it for 
TV ratings. 

1057
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,600
Yep. 
Well, hey, I really appreciate 

1058
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:17,300
all the time. 
This has been awesome. 

1059
00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:20,400
Joe, thank you so much for 
joining and we'd love to have 

1060
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,700
you back on before, we get to 
maybe like right around the Big 

1061
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:25,400
Ten Tournament time. 
Maybe, hopefully, hopefully 

1062
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,300
Indiana's got one of those 
double buys and Go from there. 

1063
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:32,600
But yeah, you know, check them 
out, 131 Sports, you've been, 

1064
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,000
you know, right now you're the 
six rank Matrix on the bracket 

1065
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,400
Matrix and there's you know, 200
140 there. 

1066
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,600
So you're high in that man 
you're getting a 1 or a 2 seed 

1067
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,500
in the bracket Matrix and I love
I'm not, I don't want to put 

1068
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:50,700
words in your mouth, but I do 
love what I talked to like, you 

1069
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:52,600
know, Andy bottoms as part of 
our network does really good 

1070
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,600
Bracketology Galen like it does 
good. 

1071
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,600
Bracketology like everyone who 
really gets into this stuff. 

1072
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,300
Is always kind of like, yeah, 
well, Already Is Not Great, like

1073
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:01,200
everyone goes one already. 
Ever looks a little ready but 

1074
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,600
it's like his hit rate is not up
there with the people who really

1075
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,500
know what they're doing, which 
is, which is funny. 

1076
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:09,000
But in a way he's kind of doing 
something different. 

1077
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,500
But like he's selling something.
He's USA Today versus like 

1078
00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:16,200
actual like real news reporting.
I would say yeah yeah it's a 

1079
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,200
little bit apples to oranges. 
But it certainly I think the the

1080
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,100
bracket ologist that I've been 
that put time and effort into 

1081
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:25,400
this and have been perennially 
pretty accurate. 

1082
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,800
Whenever someone on Twitter, 
There's a look at where lunardi 

1083
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,900
has them. 
They we all collectively shudder

1084
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:36,400
just a little bit you know like 
maybe you could check someone a 

1085
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,100
little bit more accurate, I get 
what he's solid and Jerry Palms,

1086
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:42,100
kind of the same way. 
I think he's great at even 

1087
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:45,500
lower, but if you look at the 
bracket Matrix when they 

1088
00:59:45,500 --> 00:59:48,500
whenever there's an update, they
always put the the person who 

1089
00:59:48,508 --> 00:59:53,300
runs the bracket Matrix always 
put CBS and and ESPN they get 

1090
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:57,800
front row billing. 
And I was like, and it just, you

1091
00:59:57,808 --> 00:59:59,800
know, I'm like, I want that 
spot. 

1092
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,100
So it's something that motivates
me to be more accurate. 

1093
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:06,800
And like you said, if I'm a 1 or
2 seed, right now, my goal is to

1094
01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:10,400
move into that that top for to 
get up from one seed by the end 

1095
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,100
of this year. 
Yep, last question because this 

1096
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:15,500
is actually as I've dug more 
into this like I just found the 

1097
01:00:15,508 --> 01:00:17,700
bracket Matrix like two years 
ago like I'm digging more into 

1098
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:21,000
this. 
What are the best resources that

1099
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,200
you know what, best two or three
resources that you use? 

1100
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:26,300
That other people can kind of 
hop on to do this? 

1101
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:28,100
I don't know, it can Palm 
torvik. 

1102
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:29,800
Lot of Sites out there. 
But is there anything else that 

1103
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,600
you, you use to get some of the 
information that other people 

1104
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,100
can kind of dig into? 
Yeah, I mean, can like you said,

1105
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torvik and Ken pom, another one 
of those advanced. 

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IT excites, the absolute want to
plug is Evan Maya. 

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01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:52,200
Evaan miy, a is a good follow on
Twitter as well and his stuff 

1108
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:58,000
and his eye. 
He's his graphical and visual 

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Presentation of his sight is 
very fluid and very smooth, very

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crisp and clean. 
So, I want to plug his sight to.

1111
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,500
Yeah, I just, I just found him 
this season and I, because I 

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found him something on Twitter. 
He was doing like the top five 

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lineups. 
And he's got some great, really 

1114
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:17,200
interesting stuff of like the 
top five lineups, the country 

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01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,200
the top five lineups per team. 
The top for man, three-minute 

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01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,700
like some really interesting 
lineup stuff showing you no 

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01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:25,600
offense of Defense efficiency 
based on line up. 

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01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,300
So yeah, it's a great call. 
I just got into that this year. 

1119
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,300
Yeah. 
And then for someone that is you

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01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:33,500
know like that does you know 
like not to I don't mean this in

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01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:36,900
any sort of disparaging way but 
Ken Palm the lot of the advanced

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01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:39,800
stuff is behind a pay wall and 
everything that I've wanted to 

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01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,900
get from Maya at least for now 
is is rather lie available for 

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01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:45,800
free. 
So that's that's just another. 

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01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:49,000
Someone wants the surface level 
access and and some in-depth 

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,500
stuff for free than that's a 
great. 

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01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,200
Great place to start that. 
I mean, the ncaa's obviously 

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01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:58,300
from a Bracketology perspective,
the ncaa's net rankings. 

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01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:04,600
Warren Nolan is another one that
has some of that stuff and just 

1130
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,200
looking at depending on your 
approach to Bracketology. 

1131
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,000
If you want to say, if you want 
to stick to the cuz torvik, does

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this? 
Both ways if you want to stick 

1133
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,900
to the here? 
And now if the tournament 

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01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:17,100
started today, where would a 
team be seated? 

1135
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:19,800
And then torvik also has a wear 
with a team. 

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01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,700
Be seated if how we predict the 
rest of their season goes 

1137
01:02:23,900 --> 01:02:27,500
actually comes to fruition. 
So there's different approaches,

1138
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:30,900
I think most Ecologist kind of 
take the, and I certainly do 

1139
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:33,800
take the Here and Now approach, 
but you can kind of also look 

1140
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,200
at, oh, you know, like, where 
might we end up on selection 

1141
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,500
Sunday, if the, it plays out, 
how we expected to play out, if 

1142
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:42,900
we win the games, were supposed 
to and lose the games, were 

1143
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:45,400
expected to. 
So those are, those are kind of 

1144
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,700
the ones that I will look at. 
And then other than that, it's 

1145
01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:51,900
the standard resources, you 
know, looking at a team schedule

1146
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:56,100
on ESPN, or something is what 
else I use. 

1147
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:59,200
And then to the extent that it's
possible with The one in 31 

1148
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,600
year-old three-year-old at home,
the eye test but that's that's a

1149
01:03:02,607 --> 01:03:06,000
little bit harder these days, 
you know, like catch a few 

1150
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,100
minutes here and there. 
But that's that I have to become

1151
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:14,200
a little bit more reliant. 
On those those those shortcuts 

1152
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,300
that I disparage the committee 
for being relying on these days.

1153
01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:22,800
But I still like to think that I
do enough research that that 

1154
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:29,000
that I can make a reasonable 
guess and it's Out so far. 

1155
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,100
So, right, thank you for coming 
on Joe again, it's 131 Sports 

1156
01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:37,400
131, sports.com and 131 Sports 
at sorry at 131 Sports on 

1157
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,900
Twitter. 
Check them out, gray stuff in 

1158
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:41,800
the, we'll look forward to 
having you on right around the 

1159
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,900
Big Ten Tournament time and 
hopefully that alligator mouth 

1160
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:47,400
is closed and Indiana, at least 
being a protected, seen the for 

1161
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:48,900
line. 
So thank you guys all for 

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01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:50,500
listening, appreciate it until 
next time. 

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01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:53,200
This is Scott for Crimson cast 
signing off.