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Joining you once again, here it 
is Wednesday, February 1st, 

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January over, not going to miss 
it. 

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Nice. 
Nice month to some degree for 

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both IU, men's and women's 
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Although didn't end too well for
the men last night. 

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Big loss without a big loss, I 
guess. 

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But somewhat disappointing loss 
out at Maryland but maybe not 

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surprising. 
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that. 
We're going to obviously talk 

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about the big rest of the week. 
We got coming up here is IU gets

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ready to take on the Purdue 
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The number one team in the 
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We got, chronic Hoosier with us,
we haven't had them on and try 

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to think the last time we had 
you on, man. 

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It's been I think a Years. 
So it's been too long. 

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It's good to have you back, man.
It's so glad to be back talking 

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to you. 
It's been a covid, messed, 

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everything up I've ever. 
It's like time just got 

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completely turned on its head. 
Everything's been weird. 

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I work too much. 
I do. 

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And honestly, it has been these 
have been trying days for rui. 

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You fans are fans of IU 
Athletics over the last couple 

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of years and, you know, I 
admittedly, I am. 

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I don't know if anyone's noticed
or gives a crap, you know, I 

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have kind of deliberately been a
little bit more selective and 

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how I choose to engage with, 
with all things I you because 

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honestly, you know, and maybe it
gets exacerbated during football

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season, but there comes a point 
where it's like, you know, life 

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has enough pain in it inherently
for me to continue to feel the 

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urge to dip my hands into the 
bowl of fire because you know 

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what happens, and it's not 
always great, but For whatever 

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reason I was born into a family 
of people who dip their hands 

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into bowls of fire and and some 
call us say this. 

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But you know, whatever that said
though, you know, there's been a

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lot of excitement. 
There's been a lot of a lot of 

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things that I've been anxiously 
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I have just kind of stepped back
a little bit and followed things

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a little more quietly and I'm 
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is, that a good plan of bad plan
or what. 

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But, you know, it's one of those
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mentioned, it's February. 
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basketball season footballs 
almost entirely in the rearview 

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aside from the big game whose 
trademark will prohibit us from 

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saying it on here, for fear of 
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But other than that, it's this 
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two thirds of basketball 
schedules behind them. 

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You have at this point, I feel 
like a very, very good 

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understanding of what you're 
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strengths, what the weaknesses 
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Indiana continues to be bitten 
by the injury bug, which is kept

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a lot of this. 
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I feel like you know, last night
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And I've said this at some point
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like Indiana desperately missed 
Xavier Johnson his, his 

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aggression, his leadership in 
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You know. 
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Geronimo quite a bit last night,
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And you know, race Thompson, God
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He's out there doing everything 
he can, but he's clearly a shell

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of what he was, pre-injury Lord 
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without him back right on the 
floor right now, especially 

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considering geronimo's injury, 
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said, we've seen Indiana place 
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We've seen Indiana place in 
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I felt like last night was one 
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the Season both on the floor, as
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Quite honestly, I don't feel 
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think we played a very good 
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I don't think we coached a very 
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know, it's unfortunate to see a 
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It's remarkable how quickly you 
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emotions over the course of, you
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weeks from the sky is falling 
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table out, not that any 
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when you start stacking W is 
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continue to increase with with 
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grows and you No games like last
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to happen to every team 
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play a Rutgers. 
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we are kind of back now in that 
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exactly is this team as far as 
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good at where they going to get,
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continue to get him beat, and I 
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eye understanding right now of 
what I use about, and it's a 

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team that's, you know, obviously
completely anchored by Trace 

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Jackson, Davis, You've got a 
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Jalen Hood Savino. 
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Supporting Cast. 
That some nice can play pretty 

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good ball. 
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enough. 
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good highs, we've been some low 
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you got a team that, you know, 
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All that said, they are still 
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Friday by on the Big Ten 
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Just as easily. 
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teams played on Wednesday, 
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And this is, this is the month 
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itself out. 
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see it increasing with every 
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and what you're going to run and
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It's just who can do their stuff
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I you be the better team some 
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Like last night you saw one of 
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exactly where we're going to try
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And they did a really good job 
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It's pretty much at every turn. 
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dropped on as chronic. 
So let me let's start with kind 

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of the, I guess, the present 
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We can go from there. 
I think you hit the nail on the 

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This is a flawed team, it's a 

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team that's got clearly a, you 
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Tres Jackson Davis and he has 
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like, what he's putting up, 
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early 70s stats, because they 
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you read in a book and didn't 
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possible. 
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like 16, rebounds and 18 points 
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that's exactly what he's done. 
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pieces and some cases really 
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of Jalen Hood Ruffino in other 
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But Something that really struck
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last night. 
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thought about with a lot of the 
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They just lack any sense of 
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time, even within games. 
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example where they started off 
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I mean, you look at the first 10
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it's like, whoa, Indiana came 
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They were ready to play. 
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game earlier in the season. 
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other games and then Marilyn 
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not know what to do and you know
we you know I don't get too hung

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I mean, I even that Minnesota 
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a loss. 
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you go back to the Halcyon Days 
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I you was playing games like 
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regularly in the Big Ten even 
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the best team in the conference 
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They mean an 87 season they 
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they nearly lost. 
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at Minnesota and So, those games
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team, you just never really know
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what you're going to get out of 
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on the bench or in the starting 
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frustrating and it kind of it 
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This larger melees that you're 
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where I think the consistency 
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being fans of IU, just hasn't, 
it doesn't exist on this team 

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and it hasn't existed for years.
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vintage of what we've seen out 
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Bowl in a while. 
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a lot of pieces and a lot of 
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people would like it to be. 
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would might expect it to be 
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I use program. 
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that's, that's everything right 
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You know, you talk about the 
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consistent on this team has 
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Jackson Davis just playing out 
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since the middle of December. 
I think, and you've seen this in

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the past, with some values, very
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I felt like Yogi Ferrell really 
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close to his full capability 
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It was something he had to grow 
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sense that, as Trace has matured
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he's actualized, what's required
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If this team is going to have 
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know, the goals that he Take 
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coming back here for his senior 
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accomplish. 
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everything within his power. 
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he's been a very good 
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teammates at times as well. 
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me about traces play right now, 
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he's being shielded a little bit
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assignment. 
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threaten his availability, do 
two fouls, which is a whole 

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other podcast but something that
just continues to make me, you 

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know, nothing short of insane. 
Obviously watching the way that 

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the Big Ten basketball is 
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and Trace has done a pretty good
job of adapting credit to him. 

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You know, you look at how they 
called the Illinois game which 

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was literally nothing short of 
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I mean I actually literally grew
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at my family's Farm. 
I know what that's like, we had 

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boards. 
They were stalled doors, but 

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they acted like boards and 
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They were in play, and you would
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run screens so that they were 
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It was extraordinary physical, 
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In a lot of regards, I have the 
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He did really well in a game 
like that, he's done really well

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in games where you know, it's 
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I'm from play to play half to 
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but I do feel like defensively, 
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little bit hesitant to unleash 
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Now, he competes very well at 
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obviously Above the Rim. 
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That's just, I don't think 
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To be a post player at this 
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Yeah, you know, not only is he 
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minutes on a night to night 
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Be getting the shit kicked out 
of them just banged up and still

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getting off his feet and high 
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consistency that honestly. 
You just it's generational. 

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If we're being totally honest is
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dominance you don't you just 
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this era except for guys like, 
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dudes. 
That are just ridiculous 

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physical specimens for all the 
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to his size. 
His lack of shooting. 

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He's found so many ways to 
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compete and he usually comes out
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that. 
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just not enough around him right
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withstand nights when you know 
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taking stuff away from him. 
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ridiculous numbers last night. 
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And you just kind of felt like 
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stretch of the imagination. 
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challenges though is when you 
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want to call it a quiet 11, you 
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thing. 
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night all on all you're going to
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especially when you're playing 
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especially to places like 
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extraordinarily difficult place 
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we saw a great example why but 
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Some of I use some of the holes 
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constructed and you know It 
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you know, you're second best 
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season and Jalen Hood Jaffe. 
No, has just a really, really 

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forgettable performance. 
I mean, probably is worse game, 

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maybe as a Hoosier 14, 14 from 
the floor. 

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He's just not really not really 
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form, looked really frustrated 
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I mean, he looked like a 
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freshman through and through. 
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stepping up, trying to make your
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Like I you did a pretty good job
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foot whenever they had chance to
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get something positive going. 
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to, to just kill that momentum. 
And that's going to happen when 

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you're playing one of the, you 
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experienced teams in the 
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most experienced teams in the 
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penalize. 
You if you, if you make losing 

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Place such as that, and I 
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on both ends of the floor. 
I thought they did a great job 

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game plan against Indiana. 
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I mean, In the frustrating thing
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on the road. 
So again, I'm not overwrought 

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about it, but they actually got 
a pretty good defensive 

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performance in all together. 
I mean, they hold Maryland just 

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a little bit over a point per 
possession, they shot 42% from 

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to, they shot 22% from three, 
you know, that you look at IU 

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and you're like, gosh, being 
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defensively. 
That's actually better than what

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we've seen out of them. 
But Maryland shoots 29, free 

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throws and 25. 
Now some of that you can say 

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this is not being called 
properly and certainly I had my 

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complaints about some of the 
officiating but a lot of it was 

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just bad foul. 
Just buy you a lot of fouling 

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poor poor poorer talented 
players than warrant a foul 

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being suspended on them. 
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Court awareness you know, and 
situational awareness. 

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And from people that I mean, 
look, I think a Malik renew as a

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freshman, he had a good stretch 
of games. 

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This was the first game in a 
while where he really looked 

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like Lost again and it was 
mostly just on the defensive 

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end. 
I'll give him a pass because he 

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did a lot on the offensive end. 
But guys like Trey Galloway like

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they're, you know, for a for 
someone with his background and 

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experience in the game, the 
number of fouls that didn't need

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to be committed that ended up 
either. 

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Giving Maryland, two free throws
or an extra free throw, you 

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know, Miller cop struggling with
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Bates, another one, where his 
athleticism just kind of 

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disappears. 
It seems like you know when he's

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trying to defend He doesn't know
how to use his body in his hands

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properly. 
That is really frustrating and 

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it feels like as well as Indiana
played for most of the, the five

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games in the winning streak. 
It was like, they just forgot 

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all of those lessons. 
This is honestly, the kind of 

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game. 
I thought they were going to 

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play it Illinois and it was a 
shock when they played so well 

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throughout. 
But and then you see this, come 

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back. 
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happen, they weren't going to 
win out, and Maryland was a game

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that had been projected as a 
loss on Ken pom. 

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You know, well before this had 
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that they lost it, just felt 
like an opportunity that was 

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left behind because they didn't 
really seem to have their heads 

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in the game. 
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that I think is driving so many 
I you fans nuts. 

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I mean you just you saw unfold 
this play what happens when 

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you're not. 
When you're outmatched point 

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guard spot, fouls have been a 
problem. 

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Renews has been fouling machine 
this season and there's no knock

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on him and he's been forced into
a Role where he's the team's 

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leaned on him and some pretty 
big moments here and, you know, 

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with with races condition right 
now, or his situation, I guess 

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you're asking a lot for a 
freshman to come in and fill in 

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that void created by your glue 
guy, you know, super senior guy.

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Redshirted came here early out 
of high school so that he could,

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he could grow and develop in the
program and after a career full 

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of injuries, you know, races. 
I felt like their up most of the

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season is struggle to find. 
And his role or how he best fits

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in this, the chemistry of this, 
current roster construction 

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coming nowhere, close to his 
potential though, post-injury 

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that in. 
And of itself was a pretty big 

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void to expect a freshman to 
come in there against, you know,

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some of these really seasoned 
really physical big men and and 

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especially in those Road 
environments, but he struggled 

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at home with it as well, but 
recognizing their stuff that 

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you're gonna be able to get away
with and their stuff. 

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You're absolutely not going to 
be able to do And you know what?

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They allow you with your torso 
and your legs versus what 

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they're going to lie you with 
your hands are two totally 

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different things in this league.
And you've got to learn how to 

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adjust how you're defending 
teams. 

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Because quite honestly, I feel 
like a lot of renews development

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has been hampered by the fact 
that he's made himself 

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unavailable due to due to the 
fouling issues, and just hasn't 

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got the minutes required. 
But, you know, I think there's 

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something probably broader in. 
In the way I use defending his 

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whole this season. 
You know, they're in rotation a 

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lot through late in rotation, a 
lot. 

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It's real easy to get called for
fouls. 

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When your man just beat you and 
you're struggling in recovery, 

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you tend to get a little handsy 
or when you've already been beat

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with the feet. 
That's that's your defense of 

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Last Resort and I use found 
themselves in that position far 

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too many times. 
But I think it's been pretty 

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glaring at the point of attack 
so far this season and died. 

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Last night was one of those 
games that just puts it on full 

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display when you're pretty much 
a. 

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Post and point guard based team 
when your point guards Mia, and,

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you know, they're throwing, you 
know, alternating defenses from 

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Zone demand and, and doing 
everything. 

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They can to slow you down with 
the pressure. 

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Take you, no. 
Steal time off the shot clock, 

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and really Force you in the late
clock situations when they know 

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dang. 
Well, what you're trying to do, 

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you know, there's only so much 
Teresa going to be able to do in

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those situations and, you know, 
ultimately, it's going to 

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require somebody else. 
Usually somebody's else, you 

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know, the magic Number 4, IU. 
Has been getting four guys. 

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In double figures when Indiana's
had good games, you've had a 

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couple of those reserves or a 
couple of starters going over 

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their averages, sometimes 
significantly, I just wasn't 

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there last night and you know, 
unfortunately, we've seen a 

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pattern where that can that can 
disappear in Mass with some 

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regularity Indiana has been 
really lucky over the course of 

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this five-game stretch while 
Trace have been playing out of 

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his mind, you know, maybe it's 
been fee know, maybe it's in 

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Galloway. 
Geronimo was really rounding 

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into a some significant 
contributions before he went 

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back out and you take Geronimo 
out of the mix and now you know 

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that that lineup gets a little 
bit thinner and it just puts a 

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bigger premium on some of these 
guys and quite frankly in a nice

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like last night they just 
haven't been good enough. 

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Yeah. 
And and as you mentioned I mean 

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the coaching left a lot to be 
desired. 

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The rotations are questionable, 
it's they can again it's one of 

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those things where Clearly The 
rosters hobbled, not just by 

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missing a Jordan Geronimo, not 
just by race Thompson, not being

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healthy, but there's not much 
depth. 

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Like Beyond. 
I mean, I you like essentially 

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played seven players last night 
and you know, they technically 

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played eight Banks, played five 
minutes, but they got 18 total 

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points out of their seven or 18 
total minutes, sorry out of 

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their seventh and eighth players
onto the floor. 

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And you know a lot of this is 
It's a, it's a, it's an issue 

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with the way, the roster has 
been constructed over time. 

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And that's not going to be a 
quick fix. 

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I don't even know what the fix 
is at this point, you know, I 

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think ideally this season, if 
you if you're getting a full 

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head of steam, out of Trace 
Jackson Davis for the whole 

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season where he's not injured 
and all of these parts play at 

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their best potential. 
You've got a really good team. 

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You've got a team that's 
probably the favorite for the 

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Big Ten, but that's not what 
these players are at their best.

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They honestly, this group can 
beat anybody in the country. 

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I know that sounds like a tall 
order but between the shooting 

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that they've demonstrated and 
the abilities that race Jackson 

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Davis and their abilities to 
play defense when they're really

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locked in. 
When all of those things are 

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firing, they really could beat 
anybody in the country, but that

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almost never happens with this 
group. 

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There's always three or four 
players that are struggling with

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X Y, or Z. 
There's always some breakdown 

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that's happening somewhere. 
And that, I don't A really easy 

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fix to that unfortunately. 
And as much as I have problems 

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in quibbles with some of the 
individual decisions that 

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Woodson's making. 
And I'm not, I'm not absolving 

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him of the blame of the way, the
roster is currently constructed 

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realistically. 
It's just not as good of a 

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consistent of a group as I think
a lot of people had hoped it 

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would be, it's good. 
That we know now, I think going 

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into February and March, because
I think for those of us who 

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aren't caught up in your trying 
to get caught too much up in the

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emotion, We can reset 
expectations but it's a hard. 

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It's a hard group to figure out,
you know, what are you going to 

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get on a night tonight basis? 
And that makes for a really 

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frustrating experience because 
you know sometimes you're gonna 

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be overjoyed, and sometimes 
you're just going to be like, 

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what the hell happened? 
Why did why did it go that way? 

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Yeah. 
You know, I was having a 

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conversation earlier today and 
you talked about, are you 

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football and for all the ups and
the Downs? 

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Usually, what separates, you 
know, the seasons that were 

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we're competing for Bowl 
eligibility versus where, we're 

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just kind of an afterthought. 
It usually it's, it's not always

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the starters, a lot of times 
it's the second and the third 

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string guys and the guys that 
you're developing that are 

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coming up through the program. 
And you know, the way this team 

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It's right now you do have a lot
of a lot of upperclassmen and 

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quite frankly. 
I think that's where, you know, 

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a lot of the issues stem from 
right now. 

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For team, that you knew was 
going to be flawed in a number 

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of different ways. 
You at least, had the veteran 

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leadership of Xavier Johnson of 
race. 

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Thompson of Miller, cop of Trace
Jackson Davis, you're starting 

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00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:44,400
for seniors and, you know, 
usually in college basketball. 

447
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,100
That's, that's a win. 
In recipe in power 5 basketball,

448
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:51,800
you're going to be competitive 
more often than not, when you 

449
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,400
can get old and you when you 
when you can stay old well. 

450
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,900
Now, all of a sudden, you know, 
Xavier Johnson's out and has 

451
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:59,700
been for a huge chunk of the 
season now, and will probably 

452
00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:01,800
continue to be for some time. 
Even though, you know, we see 

453
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,000
him out there without the boots 
shoes warming up in sneakers, 

454
00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:09,200
you know he's not dressing for 
games and we don't know if he's 

455
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,400
going to dress for games and if 
he does we don't know when and 

456
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,500
we certainly don't know what 
condition you know, look at 

457
00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:15,500
Miller cop or not, I'm sorry, 
not Miller, couple of good race 

458
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:18,100
Thompson. 
Um, as desperately as we needed 

459
00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:21,500
him back, we need him closer to 
what he was pre-injury than 

460
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:24,300
where he is, currently, because 
where he is currently is just 

461
00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:26,900
not getting it done. 
And I, that's no knock against 

462
00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:29,700
his effort. 
And again, Lord help us if he 

463
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:32,400
wasn't out there right now, 
especially with out Geronimo. 

464
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:35,700
But those are a couple of pretty
significant legs that you've now

465
00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:37,100
taken out from underneath the 
table. 

466
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:41,000
And, you know, for a team that 
initially when, you know, think 

467
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,000
about North Carolina, the depth 
was what was, what was so 

468
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,700
impressive, right? 
The Of talent was what was so 

469
00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:49,500
impressive. 
But you know, those situations, 

470
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:52,600
you're bringing trade, Galloway 
Off the Bench, you know, you're 

471
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,000
mixing tomorrow, Bateson with a 
lot of the starters or so, you 

472
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,300
know, sprinkling in reserves 
all. 

473
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:02,500
That's off the table right now 
because of these entries in the 

474
00:25:02,508 --> 00:25:05,600
availability issues, he's 
dealing with and it's not just 

475
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,500
that you're missing those those 
key legs. 

476
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,700
It's the guys that you're asking
to fill in those minutes. 

477
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,100
You put some guys out of spot, 
you're putting some guys out 

478
00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:17,900
there. 
I think just to be out there. 

479
00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:21,900
I mean, quite honestly, you look
at how we're utilizing, Miller 

480
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:24,600
cop and trade Galloway 
specifically in the offense and 

481
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,900
a night. 
Like last night, you know, I'm 

482
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:28,400
screaming. 
Can we get these guys? 

483
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,500
Some some looks can we draw 
something up to get them off 

484
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:34,600
because neither of those guys 
are necessarily going to get 

485
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,600
their own shots, you know, the 
balls got to get kicked back out

486
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,800
to them, you've got to create 
space for them. 

487
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:44,500
And if the flow of plays not 
allowing that run some dang 

488
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:46,000
screens. 
Yeah, you know rather than just 

489
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,400
Seeing them outside on the 
perimeter stationary. 

490
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,600
For the entire set, waiting for 
the kick-out. 

491
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:53,600
Let's do something to get those 
guys from looks because they've 

492
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,600
proven, you know, we've made a 
pretty significant gain in this 

493
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,900
team's ability to shoot is, just
how do we employ that ability 

494
00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:02,600
and a nights like last night 
when the Inside Out is just not 

495
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,400
getting it done, you got to find
a way to get creative. 

496
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:09,300
And, you know, we've seen this 
team show signs of Life against 

497
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,600
his own, but usually, that's 
going to require, you know, 

498
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,600
getting the ball to the elbows. 
Knocking down some open shots 

499
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,900
when the ball swings to the the 
soft side of the zone and right 

500
00:26:20,900 --> 00:26:24,600
now, you know, you've got a 
bunch of guys, Fino was trying 

501
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:27,200
Lord help him. 
He was trying he didn't look 

502
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,000
comfortable hardly in any of 
those attempts. 

503
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:32,900
And if those aren't dropping, 
you really got nothing because 

504
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,500
Xavier Johnson by Far and Away 
this team's best dribble 

505
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:39,300
penetrator. 
And you know if the shots aren't

506
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:42,100
falling in the post plays not 
working eventually just got 

507
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:43,300
attacked the basket. 
Right? 

508
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:47,100
And you know instead of being 
effective, That regard Indiana 

509
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:49,200
found a way. 
Usually either take it really 

510
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,400
all advice shot or turn the ball
back over. 

511
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:57,300
So just left with a lot of 
vulnerability now I don't know 

512
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:59,000
that that's going to be 
something that's constant. 

513
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,100
You know we've seen these guys 
pretty much everybody on the 

514
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,300
team is that a couple of 
breakout or standout game. 

515
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:08,800
So far the challenges? 
What can this staff do to put 

516
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,200
those guys in position where 
they can really play their best 

517
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,200
game? 
Because last night, you just 

518
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,200
felt like there wasn't a whole 
lot of thought going into how to

519
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,700
get anybody. 
Elevated out of the funk. 

520
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:18,800
They were in. 
Yeah. 

521
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,300
No I think that's a really good 
summation of things and it's 

522
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:25,100
going to be curious. 
I mean you know, February has 

523
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:29,200
not been kind to Indiana 
University basketball over the 

524
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:36,700
course of the last several years
since the Big Ten title season 

525
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:41,700
in 2016, Indiana has one 
February where they have a plus 

526
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:45,600
500 record and that was 2018. 
They were four and three in 

527
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,000
February. 
That year and I believe that was

528
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000
the year that they lost 13 out 
of 14 in January. 

529
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,400
So it was like that was almost a
forgotten thing there. 

530
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,000
But the last four February's 
Indiana went to and five and 

531
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,700
2019 and that included a 
five-game losing streak. 

532
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:04,000
They went three and four and 
2020. 

533
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:07,800
They went 3 and 5 and 20 21 and 
had a three-game losing streak. 

534
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,700
And then last year they went two
and five in February and a 

535
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:15,600
five-game, losing streak. 
So this is not winning time for 

536
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,000
Indiana. 
Basketball. 

537
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:19,400
I am curious. 
You know? 

538
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,500
Yes you probably at some point 
going to get a lesser version 

539
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:27,200
Xavier Johnson back from injury 
and we don't know what the 

540
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,200
status is with Jordan Geronimo. 
I would assume he's going to 

541
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:34,200
play this weekend but I do worry
about this team as hot as low as

542
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,200
they were mentally coming out of
that Penn State game and then as

543
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,800
high as they seem to be coming 
out of the Michigan State game, 

544
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:45,900
I wonder what the mentality is. 
If you know, coming out of this 

545
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:48,300
mess, Maryland game because the 
balloons been pierced a little 

546
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:52,300
bit what sort of resilience does
this team have you know as good 

547
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:55,600
as Jordan who Jaffe? 
No Jalen atrophy no sorry looked

548
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:59,500
in that game at home and as bad 
as he looked in this Maryland 

549
00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:03,300
game you know they got to have 
him at his best against Purdue 

550
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:06,200
and they've got to get more 
consistent play out of a variety

551
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,300
of players. 
This team. 

552
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:10,400
Just looks like it gets 
dispirited so quickly when 

553
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,200
things aren't going their way 
and that's really been the case.

554
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400
With a lot of the previous 
vinge's as a value, that's where

555
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,400
I get concerned. 
And because we've yet to see 

556
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,300
this team really effectively 
bounce back from everything 

557
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:26,300
going wrong. 
And that does concern me, you 

558
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:28,400
know what happened? 
In January helps a little bit 

559
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,900
but I'm now I'm still I still 
have trust issues, shall we say 

560
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:35,600
with how things are going to go?
I think it's deserve it quite 

561
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,500
honestly, you know, you think 
about Not only was last 

562
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:42,100
February, bad bad, you know, 
this was a team that went from I

563
00:29:42,108 --> 00:29:44,500
think they were they're pretty 
similar situated last year at 

564
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:47,000
the, at the end of January. 
I think they We were seven and 

565
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,700
in five in conference if I'm not
mistaken and then not only do 

566
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:54,900
they drop those five in a row, 
you know, they ended up at 9:00 

567
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:57,500
and 11:00 before the Big Ten 
season started. 

568
00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:01,000
So you know, in position maybe 
not to compete for the Friday 

569
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,600
buys at that point, but they 
were certainly a Thursday 

570
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,100
tournament team and then just 
trip their way to the very 

571
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:11,700
bottom, really, really quickly 
dispirited. 

572
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:15,200
I think it's a great word for 
how they played through that 

573
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,600
stretch. 
And you saw that I think that 

574
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,700
was the terrifying part of what 
happened. 

575
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:22,600
After the Arizona game and the 
Kansas game is, you saw the 

576
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,600
bottom fall out emotionally and 
it was pretty evident on the 

577
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,500
floor. 
Now all the card in the world. 

578
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:33,500
Do these guys for right in the 
ship, But that's, that's not 

579
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:38,300
going to get it done, you know, 
just getting back to stasis. 

580
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:41,400
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean Thursday of the Big Ten 

581
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,200
Tournament is not this team's 
aspirations and I have to be 

582
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,700
honest. 
There's it shouldn't be, it just

583
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:49,400
shouldn't be. 
Now the reality of the situation

584
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,600
is is, you know, when you're 
depleted through injury and when

585
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,100
you've got a lot of reserves 
that just, you know, and again, 

586
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,200
they have just not been good 
enough at times. 

587
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,300
Yeah, and I don't mean that as 
individual knocks, I mean, just 

588
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:03,400
on the balance of Things. 
You know, you've taken some 

589
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,300
losses to some teams in 
conference that you probably had

590
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:08,100
no business doing. 
Now, you can make the argument 

591
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,000
that they probably had no 
business winning the Illinois 

592
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000
game, especially in the manner 
that they did. 

593
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:17,000
But that's going to happen. 
When you've got reserves or 

594
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,300
Supporting Cast members that are
just in consistent and 

595
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:23,700
inconsistent as Indiana is and 
lacking in a lot of ways that 

596
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:25,700
makes them vulnerable in this 
league right now. 

597
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:31,000
So, you know, obviously you got 
to get, you got to get more. 

598
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:35,200
From from everybody else, in the
floor, not named Trace Jackson, 

599
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,000
Davis, and quite frankly, I 
think one of the team's biggest 

600
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,700
struggles will continue to be 
how to manage the expectations. 

601
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:45,800
I had a very, very weird feeling
about yesterday's game with the 

602
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,100
run-up to it. 
You've got, you know, we're back

603
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:51,500
in the AP poll, you've got the 
wooden list. 

604
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:55,000
And, you know, all these 
accolades coming back in produce

605
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,700
number one. 
Coming to Assembly Hall for the 

606
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:59,800
first time in history. 
As the number one, ranked team 

607
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:04,700
Indiana's ranked then, I don't 
know, the Trap game was the 

608
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:07,500
right word for it, but you very 
much felt like this was 

609
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,700
something that Indiana could 
easily overlooked knowing. 

610
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:13,900
How difficult, the the challenge
of playing in Maryland was going

611
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:19,500
to be, maybe not looking forward
to Purdue, but may be resting on

612
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,200
their Laurels at a point where 
they have no business doing that

613
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,200
because quite frankly, this 
February shapes up to be an 

614
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,900
awful lot like last February 
schedule, as far as the, the 

615
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:33,500
caliber of The conference 
opponents remaining and there's 

616
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:36,000
a whole lot of risk involved and
you really can't take a night 

617
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,600
off and it's not say that, you 
know, it's not going to happen. 

618
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,700
You're not going to lay a couple
eggs and have some Clunkers. 

619
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,600
It just went exactly as the, the
Doom script were 24 told all 

620
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,200
that said, I honestly believe we
can produce a hell of a ball 

621
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,300
game on Saturday and know what, 
this team can win if the shots 

622
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:56,000
aren't falling, but I expect a 
whole lot more spirited effort 

623
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,700
expecting. 
Absolutely Bonkers, Assembly 

624
00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:04,100
Hall and I expect we're going. 
To see exactly where Indiana 

625
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:07,500
Falls at the end of the day. 
Produce been able to steal some,

626
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:09,600
some wins that they probably 
couldn't should have lost, 

627
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,500
certainly Purdue teams of past 
would have lost. 

628
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,600
This is very much one of those 
opportunities for Indiana to 

629
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,300
kind of, give them self a boost 
in. 

630
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:23,400
At the end of the day, basically
erase everything that happened 

631
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,300
yesterday, quite frankly, 
because a quad, one road loss 

632
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,200
isn't really going to hurt them 
from a tournament standpoint. 

633
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,900
This really doesn't change 
anything. 

634
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:32,500
The end of the game they were 
predicted to lose. 

635
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:35,200
Anyhow, right? 
That said, if you can bounce 

636
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,300
back and show that, you know, 
you're not in one of these wild 

637
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:41,600
swings again, where everything 
has to be a streak. 

638
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:44,600
You know, you've really got to 
stem the tide when it comes to 

639
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,100
picking up conference losses 
because, quite frankly, you dug 

640
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:48,800
yourself a hole to begin with 
and you just didn't give 

641
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,000
yourself that margin of error, 
you know? 

642
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,000
But for those losses to Rutgers 
Northwestern and Iowa, if you 

643
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,300
want to be a Friday team, you've
got to find a way to bounce back

644
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,000
after a game like Last night. 
Yeah, couple things on that. 

645
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,500
I mean first, I mean, I think 
reasonable people can disagree. 

646
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:09,199
I didn't really get the sense 
that I you overlooked. 

647
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,300
Maryland. 
Looking forward to the Purdue 

648
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:13,800
game. 
I think that as you just said 

649
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,199
this was going to be a tough 
game. 

650
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,000
Anyway. 
You know, you could have been 

651
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,199
playing Nebraska on Saturday and
I think that this would have 

652
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,000
been a game that Indiana would 
have likely lost. 

653
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,000
I mean, that Maryland team is 
its kind of really hit their 

654
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,800
stride and as you mentioned, 
it's an experienced team. 

655
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,500
It's a team that's hard to match
up against. 

656
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:33,300
I don't think Great team, but 
they're one of those classic 

657
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:35,400
Big, Ten teams. 
That's really good at home. 

658
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:39,600
And outside of that UCLA loss 
that they had, which is books 

659
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,600
completely inexplicable. 
That's essentially how they 

660
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,300
played the rest of the season. 
You know, as far as the Purdue 

661
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:47,800
game and as far as just kind of 
the overall setup, you know? 

662
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,800
You you're right, I mean, none 
of Indiana's, losses are bad. 

663
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,600
Even the Northwestern loss at 
this point, doesn't look bad at 

664
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,100
all, you know, that's a team 
that's 6 and for their their, 

665
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:02,700
their top 20 top 30 teams. 
defensively in kampong they've 

666
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,500
certainly earned their spot and 
they're probably going to finish

667
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:09,400
10 and 10 in the conference but 
Indiana like you said just 

668
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,300
doesn't have the margin for 
error and as you look forward, 

669
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:17,100
Purdue Rutgers. 
I mean these two games coming 

670
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,200
up. 
This is really kind of the sum 

671
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,900
of all fears of IU fans right 
now is Indiana. 

672
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,800
Yes, they lost at home, the 
Northwestern and that was a 

673
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,100
shock, but these are the kinds 
of games that Indiana has 

674
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:33,300
traditionally talked about 
traditionally, like over decades

675
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:36,800
delivered on at home for fans. 
You okay, your rank, you're 

676
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,100
going to come in, we're going to
beat you regardless, you know, 

677
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,400
Rutgers not rank but they have 
been essentially the The curse 

678
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,800
around Indiana's neck over the 
last few years in the 

679
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,700
conference, the team. 
It's like, why do we keep losing

680
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:51,600
to this team? 
And it's because they play hard 

681
00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:54,800
for 40 minutes and Indiana does 
not always that. 

682
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,600
I was told it was because we 
stole the rest. 

683
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,500
Well, it might be it to. 
Yes, until they receive the 

684
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:01,500
aspect. 
This is always going to be 

685
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:04,400
Indiana's primary rival in the 
big tent. 

686
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,900
Clearly the Purdue did something
to them as well. 

687
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:11,200
It can't just be Indiana, right?
Marilyn quietly has that Persona

688
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,100
to Maryland loves to bring it 
in. 

689
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,100
Deanna ever since they've joined
the league. 

690
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:20,300
They've got that Gary Williams 
magic that still lives in the in

691
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:24,000
the locker room over there. 
Indiana always seem to get 

692
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,300
Maryland's best, they just do. 
Yeah, you know. 

693
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:30,600
So it's so again, I'm not too 
hung up on that, but I do think 

694
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,400
these next two games are really 
important, not just in the micro

695
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,100
of, well, you got to beat Purdue
because I mean Purdue may not 

696
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:38,300
lose another game in the Big 
Ten. 

697
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:41,200
If Indiana doesn't beat them in 
this upcoming game, Indiana, 

698
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,400
really needs this game to get 
its The team, the fans everybody

699
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,000
back in the right frame of mind 
and they really need to beat 

700
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,800
Rutgers and they win those two 
games. 

701
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,600
You're eight and five in 
conference. 

702
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,100
You are at that point. 
No worse. 

703
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:59,900
I think then third in Conference
standings and you've jumped a 

704
00:36:59,908 --> 00:37:02,900
couple of really big hurdles and
while the rest of the schedule 

705
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:06,500
is not easy, it's also not 
you've gotten a lot of hard 

706
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:10,400
games out of the way already. 
By that point, you lose one of 

707
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,500
these games and when the other 
your seven and six you're still 

708
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:16,400
in pretty good shape. 
You lose both your six and seven

709
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,100
and now you're questioning 
everything about what's going on

710
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,000
and where the teams at. 
You know, I agree with you. 

711
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,100
I think that Indiana will give 
Purdue a very good game. 

712
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:27,000
I think they're I think they're 
going to win the game. 

713
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:31,800
You know I think that if as long
as Indiana doesn't end up with 

714
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,500
four guys fouled out which given
how produce getting refereed 

715
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:37,600
right now is a clear 
possibility. 

716
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:42,300
It's I do think that Indiana 
much like they brought it at 

717
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:44,100
home against Wisconsin and 
Michigan State. 

718
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:46,400
They just seem much more 
comfortable at home. 

719
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,100
That's been the case for years. 
And I don't think that they're 

720
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:52,000
going to be afraid of what 
Purdue brings to the table, 

721
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,500
because they beat this team last
year and they almost beat them 

722
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,600
twice, you know, I mean, that 
game at Mackey is a lot closer 

723
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,600
than people remember. 
It was, you know, so and they 

724
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,900
played two completely different 
games. 

725
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,400
You know, the first game Trace 
Jackson Davis barely played was 

726
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,300
out with foul trouble, almost 
the whole game, Rob Fitness, he 

727
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:09,800
saves them, they get a great 
game out of Michael durable 

728
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,900
people in and that game that 
they wanted Assembly Hall, but 

729
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:16,000
on the road, They were in it 
towards the very end. 

730
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,900
I mean, you know that was they 
had a shot at the end. 

731
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:19,600
I think the tie it if I'm not 
mistaken. 

732
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:26,200
So a lot of it is mentality and 
a lot of it now is okay the team

733
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,700
didn't have a good game against 
Maryland. 

734
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:29,700
Woodson didn't have a good game 
against Maryland. 

735
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,700
The team was hobbled a bit, 
you've got a few days to rest up

736
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:36,300
and get ready to go. 
You get one more day of rest 

737
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:40,200
than Purdue gets since they have
to play tonight against Penn 

738
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,100
State. 
It's going to be really 

739
00:38:42,100 --> 00:38:44,100
fascinating to watch how 
Indiana. 

740
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,400
Roaches that game mentally and 
whether they able to maintain it

741
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,900
for a long period of time. 
Because if there's one thing 

742
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:52,100
about, Purdue I've found the 
most impressive this season, 

743
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:55,300
it's how cool they tend to be 
for a full 40 minutes. 

744
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:58,400
They really don't get rattled. 
They really do a good job of 

745
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,400
imposing their will on other 
teams and, you know, they've 

746
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,900
been in close games in Michigan.
Have them within five Maryland 

747
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:08,500
had them within three Michigan 
state had them within one on the

748
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:10,900
road. 
Ohio state had them within one 

749
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:14,100
on the road and they figured out
ways to win all of those. 

750
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,700
Those games and Indiana. 
While they've had games where 

751
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:20,400
they've played really well and 
they've won, they've had very 

752
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,900
few games where they played 
well, for 40 minutes and that is

753
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,300
the one thing that they're going
to have to do probably for the 

754
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:28,000
first time in this game if 
they're going to come out with a

755
00:39:28,008 --> 00:39:30,300
victory. 
This is one of those games where

756
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:32,700
obviously and deserve they ever 
be using me talking about, Trace

757
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:36,000
Jackson, Davis, and, and Zach, 
Ed at the end of the game. 

758
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,200
I think the games decided by the
Braden Smith, the Fletcher 

759
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,900
lawyers, the hoof inos in the 
the tomorrow Bates or the 

760
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:46,700
trachea Alloys. 
I mean, Honestly a lot like 

761
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:49,500
Tracy T is going to get his. 
You can try to complicate it. 

762
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:54,200
You can try to frustrate it. 
He is extraordinarily difficult 

763
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,000
to stop, especially once he's 
able to establish position and 

764
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,500
you can make the case for Trace 
Jackson Davis to, I mean, we've 

765
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:03,800
see obviously Maryland did a lot
of things last night that made 

766
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,500
him work. 
Really, really hard and 

767
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:09,100
frustrated Indian his offense 
and he still put up ridiculous 

768
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:11,400
numbers. 
You know, the difference last 

769
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,000
night is we didn't have guard 
Play, We and there is literally 

770
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,900
nobody else to assist in a game 
where we desperately needed some

771
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:22,900
guards to step up and Matt 
Painter has done a tremendous 

772
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:27,600
job with this roster. 
It's crazy to lose what Purdue 

773
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,200
did and somehow find yourself as
a better team. 

774
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:32,500
I don't know that they're more 
talented than what they were or 

775
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:35,400
what they were last year but 
they're just playing so 

776
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,400
extraordinary well together and,
you know, I think it's going to 

777
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,000
come down to some of the 
supporting cast in the, you 

778
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
know, we're still talking about 
starters for both teams. 

779
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,200
I'm more concerned though can 
our guards play on the same 

780
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,700
level as produced freshman quite
honestly. 

781
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:53,200
And, you know, I do like her 
chances an assembly hall fee 

782
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,400
knows, one of those guys that 
you know, he he's got that sense

783
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,500
when the lights are brighter. 
He seems to shine a little bit 

784
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:02,300
better, you know, as you would 
expect. 

785
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,400
But you talk about that Rutgers 
game immediately following, you 

786
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,600
know, quite frankly, that's just
as consequential for Indiana. 

787
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,800
Yeah, that's just as difficult 
for Indiana as what, produced 

788
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,400
going to Isn't so and that sets 
the table for the rest of the 

789
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,500
month. 
Where again, now we're talking 

790
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:23,800
about streaks and we're that 
precipice where things can get 

791
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,600
out of control pretty quick for 
a team like this, with the 

792
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,500
schedule like this in the 
liabilities, the currently 

793
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:32,400
dealing with. 
So we'll see. 

794
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,500
I'm excited for it. 
I mean, I guess that's the one 

795
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:36,200
thing that I have to keep 
pinching myself in. 

796
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,000
Reminding myself. 
It's still a fun team to watch. 

797
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,000
It can be an extraordinarily 
frustrating team to watch, but 

798
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,800
when things are working, It's 
great. 

799
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:49,700
Now, we can spend, you know, 
hours and hours talking about 

800
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:54,400
what this team needs, where they
need to get better at excuse me.

801
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,700
I could hit the mute button 
faster. 

802
00:41:55,900 --> 00:42:00,300
Um, but quite frankly, it is 
what it is and it's not going to

803
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,100
change. 
And you know, it could even get 

804
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:05,200
worse for Indiana, you know, 
we're one ankle turn away. 

805
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,300
You think about Miller cop last 
night when he went down and I 

806
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:12,900
puckered legit. 
Like, as bad as things were in, 

807
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:14,800
as little as he was bringing. 
In a game. 

808
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,700
Like last night, it can always 
get worse. 

809
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:21,700
So, you know, the big thing is 
they have they have battled back

810
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:23,000
up to this point. 
They have showed. 

811
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,900
I don't think last night was a 
lack of fight. 

812
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,200
I just think what they were 
doing wasn't working right. 

813
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:29,700
You know, they're staying 
engaged. 

814
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:32,300
They're staying competitive. 
There's just so much for. 

815
00:42:32,308 --> 00:42:34,300
They're not going to be good 
enough, and I think that's just 

816
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:39,000
to this Indiana team is, you 
know, my 13 year old would say 

817
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,900
they're just kind of mid. 
Yeah there and they can be, they

818
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:44,000
can be kind of minutes, like 
they can be super exciting. 

819
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,100
And putting on traces rewriting,
the history books. 

820
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:49,500
Every time he steps on the floor
and that's been awesome to 

821
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,200
watch, you know, I still do 
think this team has the 

822
00:42:53,207 --> 00:42:56,100
potential to be a Friday team in
the Big Ten Tournament, but I 

823
00:42:56,107 --> 00:42:57,500
think they're going to have to 
tighten up and a lot of 

824
00:42:57,508 --> 00:43:00,000
different ways and then have to 
get a lot more out of a lot of 

825
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,300
different guys. 
If they want to be in that 

826
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:06,400
Echelon of the conference and 
quite frankly, the conference 

827
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,400
isn't that great this year, 
right? 

828
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:11,100
The, the middle is massive and 
kind of mundane. 

829
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:15,100
You know, we've seen anybody can
be Pretty much anybody about 

830
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:19,300
Purdue On Any Given night, you 
know, I think that's part of 

831
00:43:19,308 --> 00:43:21,700
what's frustrating is there, 
certainly opportunity for 

832
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:26,100
Indiana to elevate themselves in
the conference landscape and 

833
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,800
they just, they're not built to 
do that and I'm fascinated to 

834
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,500
see what what the future looks 
like. 

835
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:36,000
I think Gabe cups is going to 
bring a lot when it comes to 

836
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,400
competent creative guard. 
Play. 

837
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,000
You know, I think he's probably 
going to be one of those guys 

838
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,800
that gets better with age. 
Like college players should but 

839
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,300
also recognizing. 
That's that's what you get. 

840
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:52,900
When you put a lot of eggs in 
the Freshman basket, you're 

841
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:55,200
going to have a lot of ups and 
downs and you don't want to be 

842
00:43:55,207 --> 00:43:56,600
too high. 
You don't want to be too low on 

843
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,100
them. 
You just want to see them keep 

844
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:01,900
getting better and you know, I 
think what's what's really 

845
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:06,400
fascinating for me, kind of from
the 30,000 foot view as Woody's 

846
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,200
got a season in 2/3 under his 
belt. 

847
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:13,200
Now in the college game is show 
me exactly what trajectory a lot

848
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,200
of those guys are going. 
Beyond because quite frankly you

849
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,800
know Indiana's expectation is 
competing with the best of the 

850
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,800
best and as you've seen programs
that are consistently putting 

851
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,500
guys in the draft early entries,
are able to replenish the 

852
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:27,300
roster. 
They're able to plug guys in 

853
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,100
there, able to work transfer 
portal and bring in the veterans

854
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:33,500
that kind of supplement that 
leadership that you lose when 

855
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:35,000
your best players are constantly
leaving. 

856
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:38,500
But honestly, you bring your 
floor up just as much as you're 

857
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:41,800
bringing your ceiling up and I 
think for Indiana that's got to 

858
00:44:41,808 --> 00:44:43,900
be the goal is you've got to get
the Baseline. 

859
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:47,400
Talent higher than where it 
currently is because quite 

860
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,500
honestly you're just getting 
exposed by teams that are just a

861
00:44:50,508 --> 00:44:53,300
little more athletic that are 
just a little more competitive 

862
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:56,000
that are just a little bit more 
capable of doing some little 

863
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
things that you need roll guys 
to do. 

864
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:03,000
And, you know, kind of like IU 
football second string when your

865
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,600
mid that's going to make or 
break you quite honestly. 

866
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,300
And that's what that's what it's
going to take. 

867
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:10,200
Obviously you want to see them 
continue to bring in Star 

868
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,600
players, but the end of the day,
you've got to get your jollies 

869
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,100
and Those better because there's
a lot of the guys and produce, 

870
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:22,000
probably the best example of 
that of finding guys that fit 

871
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,800
your system that play your way 
and play really well together 

872
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:29,500
and, you know, get on the same 
page and get better together. 

873
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,600
So you hate to say it absolutely
irks. 

874
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,700
You try to be more like Purdue 
yeah, that's a terrible way to 

875
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:41,500
start cot is an exhaust. 
Let's let's let's find a 

876
00:45:41,508 --> 00:45:45,200
different way to outro this, you
know, One thing, let me ask you,

877
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,800
do you have a favorite, you 
Purdue memory from all the games

878
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,600
that you've watched between 
those programs over the years, 

879
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,800
it's really easy. 
I was at the, I was in the chair

880
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,800
game, with my Dad. 
We're behind the Purdue bench 

881
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,400
below the tunnels, but not by a 
whole lot, but we were low 

882
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,200
enough that the coins that were 
being thrown from the upper 

883
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,800
Main. 
And from the balcony, were 

884
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,900
landing around us. 
They're a bunch of noodle arms 

885
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:12,700
behind us. 
And, you know, it was the most 

886
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:15,200
terrifying and exhilarating 
being experienced in my life. 

887
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:20,100
I mean, it was like every roller
coaster Kings Island in one 

888
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:22,800
moment as far as the fear in the
exhilaration. 

889
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,000
I remember my dad, putting me in
front of them, trying to shelter

890
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,500
me with his body so that I 
wouldn't take any of those Gene 

891
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:30,300
Katie's wife almost got blinded 
by one. 

892
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:34,800
That's the obvious answer. 
The most fun, I probably ever 

893
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:41,900
had when we went up there with 
Jordi and Cody and Vic and 

894
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:43,900
absolutely blew their damn doors
off. 

895
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,600
I was seeded second row behind 
the bench in the very corner of 

896
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,600
the floor, level of Mackey, and 
where we were situated, we were 

897
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,300
right next to it. 
That that dividing line between 

898
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:01,100
the student section, the paint 
crew and they're they're big 

899
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:04,800
baller donors. 
You know, they were in the main 

900
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,100
level and we were floor level, 
but the way that Mackey works, 

901
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,700
you know, your seats are below 
the court because the elevated 

902
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:15,600
court and the way that that kind
of circles around them, There we

903
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,700
were right there behind the IU 
bench, but right next to their 

904
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:21,800
biggest donors, and their 
student section. 

905
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:24,400
And the guys in the student 
section closest to us, we're all

906
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,500
in Gold, body paint, and black 
body paint. 

907
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,200
They were wearing a lot of 
spandex and stupid hats and all 

908
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,600
sorts of stuff. 
You know, I'm already Gras beads

909
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:36,700
and we absolutely danced all 
over their graves that day. 

910
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:41,400
And it was a, it was it was 
nothing short of cathartic to 

911
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,500
see your team. 
Just go up there and absolutely 

912
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:45,200
throttle the boys. 
Acres at Mackay. 

913
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,700
And I don't know that I'll ever 
experience that again in my 

914
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:51,700
life, but damn, that felt as 
good as any basketball, any 

915
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:54,700
visiting basketball gym I have 
ever visited. 

916
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:57,000
Not saying something for 
Indiana, because there's been a 

917
00:47:57,008 --> 00:48:00,900
lot of disappointing road trips 
to two opposing gyms, but that 

918
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:02,600
one was, that was hella fun, 
man. 

919
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:07,400
Yeah, that was a good time. 
I mean I was, I was absolutely 

920
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,700
excited. 
I was up at that game to, I 

921
00:48:09,707 --> 00:48:13,000
think I was on a press 
credential for that way by, I 

922
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,700
think, back on this a lot of The
ones I've been to in person, my 

923
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:18,800
favorite one actually ends up 
being what turned out to be Bob 

924
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,400
Knight's last game in Assembly 
Hall, which was that game in? 

925
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,200
I guess it would have been, 
like, I think late February of 

926
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,100
2000 and they had beaten 
Michigan State, a few days 

927
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:35,000
earlier on a Saturday and they 
were still in the hunt for maybe

928
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,900
a, maybe a protected. 
See like a four seed in the NCAA

929
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:40,700
tournament Purdue came in. 
They were ranked that was a 

930
00:48:40,707 --> 00:48:43,600
Purdue team with that. 
Would end up getting knocked out

931
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,000
in the Elite 8. 
I was confident they'd gone on a

932
00:48:46,008 --> 00:48:49,900
bit of a run in the tournament 
but I you jumped on them from 

933
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:52,500
the beginning, didn't let up the
whole time. 

934
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,200
It was like you mentioned 
cathartic. 

935
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,000
One of the more cathartic 
victories because you were 

936
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,300
worried pretty was going to make
a comeback at some point and it 

937
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:03,600
just never happened. 
And it was, it was a joy to 

938
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,600
watch and little did we know 
everything would change 

939
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,400
immediately after that game? 
Because that was followed by 

940
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:12,400
the, with the game of Wisconsin,
where they lost and then of 

941
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,100
course the the tape comes out. 
And then everything just kind of

942
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,200
disintegrates from there. 
But I'll always have that in 

943
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,500
mind kind of a good way to end 
my junior year as far as home 

944
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:26,000
games were concerned. 
So you know, the thing is to and

945
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,500
even when because this series is
not been that particularly great

946
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:33,200
over the last 20 years. 
I do think it's important to to 

947
00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:36,100
cherish and appreciate the 
moments when these two teams 

948
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:38,500
play. 
Well, when there's expectation, 

949
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,900
you know, the fact that he s PN 
chose to take game day to do 

950
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:46,200
Carolina For What the Fourth in 
the 7th ranked team in their 

951
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:52,000
conference neither of them 
currently ranked nationally kind

952
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,400
of lame, but the fact that 
Indiana and Purdue fans have 

953
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,700
cause to get upset about the 
choice to do game day from from 

954
00:49:58,700 --> 00:50:06,000
Tobacco Road is it's good and 
hopefully it lasts for a while 

955
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,000
and hopefully this can continue 
to be the norm because you think

956
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,500
back and you know the wealth of 
those childhood memories, this 

957
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:13,900
was a game that you know I 
vividly remember. 

958
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,600
Ember kids crying on the 
playground at school the 

959
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,500
following day. 
Because in my school, there were

960
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:24,400
primarily IU fans, but there are
a lot of farm kids that were 

961
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,600
die-hard Boilermakers, and this 
was the one. 

962
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,100
I mean, literally kids cried 
because it mattered so much 

963
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:33,700
because the Rivalry burned so 
hot. 

964
00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:36,800
And you know, you got carte 
blanche to talk trash for the 

965
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,700
entire rest of the year, and it 
mattered, it mattered a lot and 

966
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:43,500
it feels like over the last two 
decades. 

967
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,100
It hasn't always mattered, you 
know just because the the 

968
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:50,100
competitive balance hasn't been 
there and you know produce out 

969
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:52,300
their share of that too. 
Absolutely. 

970
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,000
Under Matt Painter, they've had 
more good years and they've had 

971
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,300
bad but it just the way things 
have lined up. 

972
00:50:57,300 --> 00:51:01,500
When Indiana has been good, 
Purdue often hasn't been that 

973
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:04,700
said though. 
I I love the fact that they're 

974
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:08,500
playing each other ranked again.
I love the fact that, you know, 

975
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:12,000
there's probably gonna be some 
kids cry this week and hopefully

976
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,900
it can continue because I think 
the Big Ten It is better when 

977
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:18,100
Purdue and Indiana are good. 
It truly is one of the best 

978
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:20,600
rivalries in the nation whether 
or not College GameDay wants to 

979
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:25,000
visit it, but unmistakably, it's
far, far better with both teams 

980
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,500
are playing competitive 
basketball. 

981
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:29,700
So, hopefully everybody lives up
to their obligation, to brings 

982
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:33,700
their a game and hopefully we 
get to experience. 

983
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:36,300
What only Rutgers is tasted so 
far, and that's the ability to 

984
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:38,000
strip. 
The number one ranking off the 

985
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,600
Purdue Boilermakers and I think 
that could quickly V itself into

986
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,500
a top five, maybe. 
Three of my eye, you Purdue 

987
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:48,900
experiences. 
If we can knock them off the 

988
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:50,800
throne and put a little bit of 
dirt on their shine. 

989
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,100
I would I would take that right 
now if it was offered, so we'll 

990
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:56,100
see what happens. 
Should be a fascinating game to 

991
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:58,500
say the least, but this was fun 
enjoyed talking with you. 

992
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,000
Well, let's do it again. 
Sometime sooner and maybe coax 

993
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,700
you out of out of the distance a
little bit here. 

994
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:08,300
I would love to, you know, I'll 
tell you what, if we make this 

995
00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:12,500
happen, Saturday, I'm going to 
be, I will be fully present. 

996
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:16,700
We got the assembly, call crew 
coming in town this weekend for 

997
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:17,900
the meet up. 
I think I'm going to be out for 

998
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:20,500
that, right? 
Looking forward to that. 

999
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:23,600
And you know, I would caution 
everybody. 

1000
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,500
You know, this is obviously a 
flawed team. 

1001
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:28,700
They've got their issues. 
They can provide a lot of Joy. 

1002
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:32,600
If you let them, you know, at 
the end of the day, there's 

1003
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,200
still a lot of basketball left 
to be played and I feel like I'm

1004
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,100
part of this is a team that's 
clearly getting better. 

1005
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,600
You know. 
There's some some flaws that 

1006
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,300
just aren't going to get fixed 
without changing. 

1007
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,800
Significant portions of your 
roster construction and Lord 

1008
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,600
knows that's coming next year, 
whether you want it or not, 

1009
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,900
whether you're ready for it or 
not. 

1010
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:53,900
It's going to be a completely 
different IU, basketball team 

1011
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:56,500
next season. 
So, enjoy Trace while you got 

1012
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:59,000
them and let's see what they can
do together because I think 

1013
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,900
there's a lot of synergy left in
the tank for this team. 

1014
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,600
It's just a matter them getting 
it together at the right moment 

1015
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:09,100
and, you know, we don't play 
for. 

1016
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:12,300
There's there's no banners 
raised in January or February 

1017
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:15,200
for that matter, is everybody. 
He loves to remind us. 

1018
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,700
They don't happen in December 
either but this is a team that 

1019
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:22,700
should pretty safely be playing 
in middlemarch right now. 

1020
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:27,300
And it's I think it would 
behoove them to make the most of

1021
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:31,600
this next five, six weeks 
because this is a team that 

1022
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,900
certainly does not want to play 
around with this seed line 

1023
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:38,700
because you could see them 
Behavior, an early exit. 

1024
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:41,700
But I also think that this is 
probably a second weekend team, 

1025
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,200
if they can get everybody on the
same page together. 

1026
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,300
And while that's certainly not 
going to hang a banner for a 

1027
00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:50,900
sweet 16 or at least I would 
pray woods and doesn't it's at 

1028
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:53,100
least a step back in the 
direction that I you fans want 

1029
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:56,300
to see the program going and 
coming from Dayton last year. 

1030
00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:59,700
You've got to acknowledge there 
is progress, being made. 

1031
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:02,700
It may not be big enough. 
It may not be fast enough, but 

1032
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:04,900
it's happening. 
And it's not something that you 

1033
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:08,000
want to discard because Lord 
knows we've seen it, can be 

1034
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,700
fleeting and it can go away. 
You're really, really quickly. 

1035
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,100
And that's gonna see one of the 
reasons. 

1036
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:16,200
I don't engage as much as Often 
as I used to because that's just

1037
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,100
not very fun, it's actually a 
pretty miserable place and I'd 

1038
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:22,300
rather not go there again. 
So, go, Hoosier, beat the 

1039
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:26,200
boilers, there you go. 
I agree with all of that, our 

1040
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,200
thanks to Chronic user for 
joining us here on the show. 

1041
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,400
Our thanks to all you for 
listening and thanks to our 

1042
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,100
Sponsors at home field apparel 
and our friends of the back home

1043
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:36,600
network. 
He's right assembly. 

1044
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,000
Call crew is planning on being 
in town this week so if you're 

1045
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,300
in Bloomington, be sure to stop 
by. 

1046
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:44,900
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you somewhere for chronic 

1047
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:47,000
Hoosier. 
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1048
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,400
folks on the flip side bring 
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