1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,920 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:20,640 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,480 Galen Clavio, Scott Caulfield joining you. 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:29,160 It is the 26th of November and Scott, I got, I got some news 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,560 for you is it over? It's over. 6 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,960 It's over. We we've we've seen the end of 7 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:44,240 IU football on the field for the 2023 season and we win a. 8 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,120 Win a chicken dinner for us because we both. 9 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,400 We didn't get there. You don't have to draw it, as 10 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,920 they say in golf, but we both got there. 11 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,840 We both picked a three and nine season. 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,640 Hey, we each got 2. Of the three wins incorrect, we 13 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,680 both missed on the third one. But I mean, if nothing else, we 14 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,240 are providing stellar previews because we both nailed the the 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,879 the record correct. I love how we we're now we're 16 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:08,720 now correctly predicting IU football and it sucks. 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,240 Unfortunately, there's only somebody, like, you have to pick 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,160 between 2-3 and four. Like, our number kind of 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,720 combination has gone way down. Yeah, it's, I know it was. 20 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,120 I feel like, I I felt like I was going to be underselling at 3:00 21 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:23,240 and 9:00. I think we got a little 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:24,880 criticism for the three and nines. 23 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,320 Everybody's like, Oh no, this team, this program's like, you 24 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:30,360 know, they're gonna move incrementally forward. 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,840 And it's like, no, it didn't happen. 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,000 And man, we're not gonna talk about that yet. 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,800 So for those of you who are new to the podcast, we generally do 28 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,840 2 pods at the end of the year. We do one pod that recaps the 29 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,400 final game and we let it breathe for a little bit. 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,840 And then we have a pod where we talk about the the whole season. 31 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,480 And so we'll certainly talk a bit about what's happened this 32 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,560 season in this pod as we talk about this Purdue game. 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,640 Because I don't know how you can't like. 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,400 So much just a microcosm of microcosms. 35 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,920 But our big blowout post season pod will come sometime soon. 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,040 Could be in the next 12 hours. Could be in the next 24 to 48 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,880 hours. And so I will. 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,320 Fill it to the audience that just there's going to be a 39 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,600 couple of negative thoughts that we have on the season. 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,640 So I'm just letting you know now that's just some foreshadowing 41 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:19,040 there from Scott, much appreciated break. 42 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,920 Before we get started, just a reminder that we are part of the 43 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:24,880 back home network. 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We're going to provide you 81 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,279 talking about how rich people are just like you and me. 82 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,240 I'll, I'll use that as the teaser, but it has a sports 83 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,920 context and so that's the kind of extra content that you might 84 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,720 get from us if you subscribe $5 a month, $50 a year in 85 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,160 crimsoncast.substack.com. Anyway, Scott, that was 86 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,120 definitely an old Oaken bucket game that we saw yesterday. 87 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,560 You and I have been around long enough that we've seen a lot of 88 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,960 these old Oaken bucket games, and very little about this one 89 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,760 was surprising. It starts off with an 90 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,120 interception that leads into a missed field goal, and then it 91 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,480 leads into Indiana looking like they would potentially dominate. 92 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,480 Purdue, look like they couldn't get out of their own way. 93 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,920 Then there was a huge sea change of momentum and then a huge 94 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,680 swing back and it really didn't settle down into a predictable 95 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,480 pattern. I felt until the fourth quarter 96 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,280 when you could see the train coming down the tracks, quite 97 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:10,360 literally in this case for Indiana, and they couldn't do 98 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,640 what they needed to do to get out of the way. 99 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,400 Indiana loses this 13531. What were your initial thoughts 100 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,280 from this game? So I'm one of my high level 101 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:21,800 thoughts is exactly what you were talking about in that sea 102 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,080 change? Indiana got up 28 to 18 with a 103 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,440 minute 40 to go in the third quarter and they had actually 104 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,560 there have been other points in the game like when they were up 105 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,680 like 14 to 6. It just felt like in the early 106 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,080 in the second quarter it felt like this is our chance to put 107 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,040 them away. Then it I got thinking about it. 108 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,440 I'm going to ask you this question because we got up 28 to 109 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,520 18 up until this game. How how many times and for how 110 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,440 long has Indiana been up? 10 points or more on an opponent 111 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,680 this season. Did you calculate this already 112 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,400 or am I supposed I was like hopefully you did the math here 113 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,200 because I certainly didn't well. PPT trying to get it that way. 114 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,160 No, no, I know does not compute at all. 115 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,600 No, it hasn't been off. And obviously there was a large 116 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,200 section of the game versus Indiana State where they were up 117 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,440 by more than 10. I I don't count Indiana State 118 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,320 then I'll I'll go to the answer. So it's been for a total of 119 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,560 about 6 minutes and 44 seconds this year like IU was up 10 120 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,440 nothing on Wisconsin for like 4 minutes and then they were up 121 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,000 2112 and then 2712 for two minutes and 44 seconds against 122 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,120 Illinois and then it got the 2719 then it was done but but it 123 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,320 got like I I started thinking about like this is one of the 124 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,600 problems this team hadn't. Again, trying to keep it focused 125 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,000 on this game, but it it's been throughout the season that. 126 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,400 You know, they're they're basically like a car running in 127 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,440 the red and the RPMS, it's like everything is high pressure 128 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,480 because you've never given yourself any kind of room. 129 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:51,400 And again, I know this is the struggle of all bad teams, but 130 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,960 it's like you had this moment where it's like 14 to 6 and and 131 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,600 Purdue's kind of struggling. It's like if you could just get 132 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,760 like 2 stops and get 10 more points, you might be able to put 133 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,560 this game away in this in the second quarter. 134 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,600 Or at least be to a point where now you can like, breathe and 135 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,240 the car's not running in the red, but it just. 136 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:08,640 And then again, it happened. We're up 2818. 137 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,040 It's like we have all the momentum. 138 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,520 It doesn't happen. And it just got me thinking like 139 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,320 that was, it's something we've seen this whole season, but it's 140 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,880 like every offensive play becomes the most important 141 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,040 offensive play and every defensive play becomes the most 142 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,120 important because all these games are super tight. 143 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,640 We never take a chance to kind of put a team away and give 144 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,920 ourselves some breathing room like you. 145 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,920 You watch like that Maryland game where Maryland goes up 146 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,120 like, you know, 28 to 7 and it's like you could just see them 147 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,080 kind of exhale. And then it's like, you know, 148 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,440 the older brother holding little brother back with his hand. 149 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,400 We we're just never able to do that. 150 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,280 And unfortunately this is a team where you know you you put them 151 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,720 in stressful situations and they end up you know more often than 152 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,040 not making the wrong mistake. And it's just like my thought is 153 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,800 like, but yet it feels like the entire game is always a 154 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,080 stressful situation because the only time it's not is when we're 155 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,440 down you know 33 to seven against Maryland. 156 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,320 So that that's a high level take away ahead from the game. 157 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,560 No, I I think that's a really, it's an accurate point and it's 158 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,800 why this game was largely the season in miniature, because 159 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,320 Indiana had a chance to make it somewhat easy for themselves and 160 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,400 instead they chose to make it hard. 161 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,320 And a lot of that is just intrinsic to the way that IU 162 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,600 under Tom Allen has chosen to play football over the course of 163 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,720 the last three seasons. There's, you know you either 164 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,200 don't have the right play calls in place or you don't execute 165 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,760 the play calls that are there. And whether it's offense or 166 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,320 defense and increasingly it's been defense, the team has had 167 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,360 opportunities to get off the field, has had opportunities to 168 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,600 make plays that would make it harder on the opponent. 169 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:44,640 And what they've instead done is not do those things which is 170 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,200 made, which makes it hard for them. 171 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,840 I mean the Illinois game is probably, if you were going to 172 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,120 take the, the arch example of this situation, that's it. 173 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,520 An Illinois team that that didn't have their starting 174 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,040 quarterback, an Illinois team that was down by 15 points and 175 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,200 look like their season was was going to disintegrate an 176 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,520 Illinois team, I'll note that just lost to Northwestern 45 to 177 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,760 43 in this week. You let them back up off the mat 178 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,240 and yes, Indiana deserved a lot of credit in that game for 179 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,400 coming back, but they didn't have to like the idea that they 180 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,680 had to do that entirely hinged upon the idea that they couldn't 181 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:23,720 maintain what they had built in the 1st place. 182 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,200 Or you know, I think you see the same thing in this game. 183 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,200 It's it's just a common set of frustrations and it feels again 184 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,200 over and over like the same thing. 185 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:39,840 And you know, you look at a guy like Brendan Soresby and on the 186 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,080 one hand it's like well 3 touchdowns in this game. 187 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,120 That's great. Had a pretty good completion 188 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,440 percentage, relatively speaking. Was certainly above, you know, 189 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,000 the 50% mark, which is nice. You know, was was citing Donovan 190 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,320 McCullough got some good stuff out of EJ Williams. 191 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,880 But he throws 3 interceptions in the game. 192 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,760 And, you know, did half all. Yeah, all the first half. 193 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,160 And, you know, they were just, they were momentum shifts and 194 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,480 things where, you know, it's not even like did that immediately 195 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,360 lead to something because some of them didn't. 196 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,880 But it kept giving Purdue the idea that, hey, we're still in 197 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,080 this football game. And I think what you saw in this 198 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,920 Purdue game was Indiana always looks unsure of itself. 199 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,680 They always look like they're worried that something's going 200 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:25,920 to go wrong and then it compounds on itself. 201 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,840 And so A-Team like Purdue, who frankly sucked like Purdue, that 202 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,120 was one of the most embarrassing performances for a team that had 203 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,320 something to play for. I mean, I talked about in the 204 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,080 pregame show. It's like IU, if you really 205 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,720 break it down, you have a bunch of transfers. 206 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,440 You've got a team that the where the coaches situation is kind of 207 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,320 up in the air. You know it was a team that you 208 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,920 know thought they were going to go to a bowl a couple of weeks 209 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,960 ago and then had that collapse. Like they really didn't have a 210 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,680 lot to play for. Purdue at least had next year to 211 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:58,600 play for Purdue look like they couldn't wait to go on vacation 212 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,000 for the first half of this game. And for Indiana to allow them to 213 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,160 stick around like they did Illinois, like they did Michigan 214 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,600 State, you know, really just highlights the lack of 215 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,760 confidence and the lack of assuredness and the the lack of 216 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,000 winning mentality that has pervaded this program. 217 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,480 And it stinks because you know, for a variety of reasons. 218 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,200 But when I when I look at the individual performances, there's 219 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,720 a lot of things to like Josh Henderson almost 5 yards of 220 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,040 carry. Trent Howland, 4 1/2 yards of 221 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,240 carry. Aaron Casey had another amazing 222 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,160 game. You know, you had good 223 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,520 individual performances, but they never seem to add up 224 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,920 because you don't get all 11 players contributing 225 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:41,120 simultaneously, and the other team tends to get that just 226 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,800 enough that it puts Indiana in a position where they're going to 227 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,400 lose as they did again. The the other thing that was 228 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,280 just highlighted this game again, and this is this is 229 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,720 definitely one of those things where like you have to watch the 230 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,960 game because it does not show up in the stat, it shows from the 231 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,160 stats as bad defense. But just the the utter inability 232 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,400 to tackle it is is just bananas in this game. 233 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,720 And you know what what I mean by it doesn't show up. 234 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,560 It's like, you know, nine times out of 10. 235 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,160 We're in the right place. Like we're putting pressure on 236 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,200 the quarterback and then it's like we have pressure all over 237 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,800 the quarterback. And there was one where Card was 238 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,240 like sandwiched like 3 guys all around, like you did everything 239 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,000 correct and then he you don't tackle him, you don't bring him 240 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,360 down. And it all, it reminded me again 241 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,760 of, you know, we turned you know, Hudson Card into this 242 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,400 amazing dual threat quarterback that he isn't. 243 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,680 I think he had coming into this game, 118 yards rushing coming 244 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:34,640 into this game. He had 97 yards in this game. 245 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,040 It was very reminiscent of Arkan or Sorry Akron, where he had DJ 246 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,720 Iron suddenly turned into Michael Vick, where he has 144 247 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,200 yards in the game. And and again, it was mostly off 248 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,560 of times that he should have been sacked but wasn't and then 249 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,720 scampers away and that you see it in the secondary. 250 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:56,000 I mean you see it just all over the place where it's just it is 251 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,520 so much bad tackling. It's just terrific. 252 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,880 It's and what it is. I mean, try because you're 253 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,560 right, I'm and we've seen that a few times. 254 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:06,320 We, like you said, Akron is probably the clearest example of 255 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,440 that. But there's a brittleness to 256 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,320 this IU defense where they do seem to be able to stop the 257 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,800 initial thing. And when the other team can make 258 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,920 extra time and do a second thing, IU has no clue what to 259 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:21,920 do. I mean, that would have. 260 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,520 That's what happened at the end of the Illinois game. 261 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,800 You know, they they defended that pass. 262 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,920 They got the rush on the quarterback, but then he rolls 263 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,480 out and boom, OK, well there's your touchdown and that, that 264 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,520 ends the game. You saw it in this where it's 265 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,080 like, OK, you stop Hudson Cards passing attack, which looks so 266 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,200 great against Minnesota. Hudson Card starts scrambling. 267 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,000 That's not his game. Indiana isn't able to do 268 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,520 anything about it, and they give up these huge chunks of yardage 269 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,800 over and over again and it feels like over. 270 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,560 For next year, we're doing two things this year. 271 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,080 Yeah, I know, right? And you saw it in the Michigan 272 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,120 State game down the stretch as well, where it's like just 273 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,560 Indiana couldn't handle whatever the second thing was. 274 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:06,080 And Indiana themselves does not seem to have a second thing that 275 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,720 they do. And other teams, if they can 276 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,760 stop Indiana's first thing offensively, are generally 277 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,920 successful. And that's where to some degree 278 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,880 we've talked. We harp a lot with this program 279 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,880 about halftime adjustments being a problem. 280 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,240 The problem is that, and this game kind of felt like that the 281 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,080 first half, Purdue was having trouble stopping Indiana. 282 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,120 Indiana was moving the ball pretty well. 283 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,960 They made some adjustments at halftime and they really shut 284 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,000 Indiana down in the second-half. I mean, you know, we got to 285 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 forget, yes, Indiana, we got to remember, sorry, yes, Indiana 286 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,800 won or only lost this game 3531, but part of that was 100 yard 287 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,280 kickoff return for a touchdown by Jalen Lucas. 288 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,840 If you take that out, Indiana scored ten points in the 289 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,720 second-half. And you know, that's if not for 290 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,640 the brilliance of one individual. 291 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,880 This actually reminds me a lot of the Michigan State game last 292 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,640 year. If not for the brilliance of one 293 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,880 individual, you're probably not looking at a game that's even 294 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,480 that close, because Purdue scores 23 points in the 295 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,000 second-half and Indiana only scores 10. 296 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:11,320 Yeah, that's that's the problem. And look yes, you need all of 297 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,840 those things to work but in the but it's like the idea that you 298 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,120 have to rely on getting 100 yard kickoff return in a season where 299 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,560 Jaylen Lucas hasn't been kicked to, that's an indicator that 300 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,400 you're just not where you need to be. 301 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,000 And and I think you go through just the way that this game 302 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,800 unfolded. I mean, I I think we all 303 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,360 expected Indiana to lose because even if Purdue was the bad 304 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,600 Purdue that we've talked about, Purdue was probably going to 305 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,520 string together enough place to win. 306 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,400 And I just didn't have faith that Indiana was going to figure 307 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,000 out how it was going to, you know, work down the stretch. 308 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,560 And you kind of saw that on that last drive or the last two 309 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,480 drives. I mean Indiana, they end up 310 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,360 settling for a 39 yard field goal in a tie game knowing that 311 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,440 that's probably not going to be enough given that Purdue is 312 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,560 moving the ball pretty freely at that point. 313 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,600 And sure enough, Purdue marches down the field. 314 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,000 Now Indiana's got to drive down the field and score the 315 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,560 touchdown that they didn't decide to try to score on the 316 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,600 previous drive. And shockingly, they get to a 317 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,200 spot where they have to gain 1 yard and they can't gain 1 yard. 318 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,240 And you know, was the guy off side on that last play? 319 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,720 Probably. Would it have mattered if he had 320 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,800 been, you know, not off side? No, because they had so clearly 321 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,240 snuffed out the play that Indiana called there. 322 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,240 He could have started a second after the snap and probably 323 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,560 gotten to Soresby before he turned around and threw the 324 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:35,400 ball. I mean it's just. 325 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,400 And and that moment, just the other thing to highlight in this 326 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,560 moment and I, I know I pick on this all the time, but like this 327 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,520 is important stuff is in the third quarter your defense 328 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,960 starts playing well. There's kind of an important 329 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,480 third down, but your defense has got momentum and then we call a 330 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,680 timeout. And in that case, it did work, 331 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,200 like the the the defense stopped. 332 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,600 But it's like I. I remember thinking like and I 333 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,200 think I saw on Twitter a couple times like this is going to 334 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,240 haunt us. Like this will come back, like 335 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,400 it will just wait. And again it's like one of these 336 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,319 where we're kind of doing all right and it's like why do we 337 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:06,599 need to call time out for a third? 338 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,160 Like third downs are important, yes. 339 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,040 But like not everything. Do we need a 25 minute Crucible? 340 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,079 Bring up all the Shields? Like do we have plays ready? 341 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,920 And then that 4th down you're talking about, it's 4th and 1:00 342 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,640 we call time out again. And I mean at that point you 343 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,440 would already you're kind of like pot committed to screwing 344 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,960 up your time out. So you might as well just burn 345 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,119 it there, but. I'm I'm thinking like, and this 346 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,040 is I I always say this, it drives me nuts. 347 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,080 Like coaches and especially in football, all they talk about is 348 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,600 you know how important a possession is and how important 349 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,200 is, you know, to get the ball back in this and that. 350 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,800 It's like if you had all three of your time outs there on that 351 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,600 fourth and one play, even if you don't get it, you theoretically 352 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,720 can now do a three and out stop for Purdue and get the ball back 353 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,600 like you are extending the game. But because you wasted a time 354 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,680 out in the third quarter, it's over now. 355 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,080 Like the game is now over now. You know Indiana may not have 356 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,840 stopped Purdue in my fantasy world on on three more plays but 357 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,200 at least you give yourself a chance. 358 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,680 But like over and over again with the time outs, we put 359 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,520 ourselves in a spot where we don't have a chance and it's to 360 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,560 what you said. It's like at times we feel like 361 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,120 we're unprepared like oh man, fourth and one like this is a 362 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:09,680 big I don't know what to do, like we're calling a time out. 363 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,280 It's like have a play like have plays for all situation be ready 364 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,320 and sometimes having a, you know, B minus play is better 365 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,520 than wasting a time out. I think one of the things when 366 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,960 you look at other football programs that have greater 367 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,640 levels of success, they all of them, they they they coach and 368 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:33,040 they strategize and they they leverage things to give the team 369 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,920 options as many options as possible for as long as 370 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,280 possible. And it feels like Indiana just 371 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,920 does not do that under Tom Allen. 372 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,040 Tom Allen is like, we're going to win it this way or we're not 373 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,760 going to win it, but there's other ways that you could 374 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,560 potentially win it. And you know, that's that's the 375 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,920 and I think what's the the instances historically that have 376 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,040 burned Tom Allen the most, like the Gator Bowl, have been 377 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,240 instances of the other team figuring out ways to extend 378 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,600 games when Indiana is not themselves able to extend games. 379 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,920 And there's no rhyme or reason to it from one game to the next. 380 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,120 You know in the Wisconsin game they they, you know, they take 381 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:15,680 this weird drive down the field and then they decide to kick a 382 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,280 50 yard field goal. In the Michigan State game, 383 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,480 needing a field goal, they won't kick a 39 yard field goal. 384 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,840 It's with with similar conditions and everything. 385 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,720 It's just there's it's almost like the reset button gets hit 386 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,320 every. It's like it's like starting a 387 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,440 franchise on game one in in video game football every week. 388 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,440 There's not a lot of learn of machine learning that's going on 389 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,960 from week to week in terms of maybe we should consider doing 390 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,240 it this way instead of that way And so you burn those time outs, 391 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,880 everything's in the moment. Very little of it seems like 392 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,000 well what if we need to bank these for later and and yes look 393 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,160 at that point you've already burned the time out. 394 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,480 Sure burn another time out. Get your best play in, which I 395 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,880 guess is a sack that leads to an intentional grounding, but 396 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:02,120 that's it. As you said and. 397 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,280 You combine that with the fact Indiana commits 3 turnovers, 398 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:13,720 Purdue commits 0 in this game, and I don't know, I it's just 399 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,240 really frustrating because this Purdue team I think was 400 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,840 demonstrably worse than Indiana when the game started. 401 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,960 This Purdue team was certainly no better than Indiana overall 402 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:27,400 over the course of the season. And the fact that Purdue was 403 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:32,160 able to come away with the victory here is a frustration, A 404 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,240 not a surprise, but a frustration. 405 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,120 Because even in bad years, especially a year when both 406 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:40,720 teams are bad, you you can't just give away bucket games. 407 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,640 You can't just give away rivalry games because you didn't 408 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,440 strategize properly or you couldn't take care of the 409 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,840 football or you couldn't capitalize on the other team's 410 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,760 mistakes and he let them hang around long enough. 411 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,200 And that, you know, as we look at Alan throughout the course of 412 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,720 his time, that's happened against Purdue a bunch. 413 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,280 It happened in 2017. You and I were at that game. 414 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,920 It happened in 2018. It almost happened in 2019. 415 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,360 You know it's it is. It's another chapter in an 416 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:12,800 inadequate book about how to win these types of games. 417 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,960 And it's it. This is really frustrating, I 418 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,200 think for for I certainly frustrating for me. 419 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,560 I think it's frustrating for a lot of IU fans because it 420 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,800 doesn't have to be that way. Well, and I think now this puts 421 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,600 him at Allen one and five against Purdue and it's like, 422 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,360 you know, this is. You know we we talk about two 423 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,160 things all the time that like you know we don't need to be 424 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,040 better than Michigan or Ohio State or Penn State but there's 425 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,560 no reason why we can't be at the same level as Purdue. 426 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,240 And then it's it's I was, I kind of did things out of order 427 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,280 yesterday. I listened to your preview after 428 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,520 the game, which is always kind of fun. 429 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,600 But I mean, one of the things you talk about which is true is 430 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,480 like it is. It's just sad how much ground 431 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,160 we've lost in this rivalry where it just feels kind of it's it's 432 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,200 probably never going to get flipped obviously in our 433 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,760 lifetime, but it's like you got to start chipping away at it at 434 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,320 some point. And it felt like for a while 435 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,760 we're doing that. But now it's like, like you 436 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,960 said, you're just losing these rivalry games and it's 437 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,960 frustrating like because it just feels like we shouldn't, it 438 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,560 shouldn't be this much of A disparity between us, but it is 439 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,600 and it continues to grow wider and. 440 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,560 I'm just echoing things you already said, like it just we 441 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,040 we. I mean this over and over again 442 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,680 in these games where it's like this is an important game and it 443 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,840 doesn't always feel like we play as if when Tom Allen took over, 444 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,680 Indiana was 41 and 72 against Purdue all time, which is real 445 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,040 bad, obviously. But now Indiana's 42 and 77 446 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,480 against Purdue all time. You know, that's that's it. 447 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,720 I mean, is there a big difference between a 31 game 448 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,480 deficit and a 35 game deficit? Well, yeah, kind of. 449 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,520 Because more games. Yeah, that's so. 450 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,400 Yeah. But that's, that's the 451 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,680 frustration in terms of the the macro level of the series is 452 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,960 that it did feel like for a little bit there, Wilson had 453 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,960 figured out, hey, here's how to beat Purdue. 454 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,480 They beat Purdue several years in a row. 455 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,400 Some of that was due to Purdue being bad, but Purdue was bad 456 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,240 yesterday, Purdue was not good yesterday, and that's. 457 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,520 Purdue's had lots of stretches over this Ravel where they've 458 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,400 been bad and yet they we they own us as if like it's a it's. 459 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,880 Yeah. So anyway, there's not a lot 460 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,040 else to say about the game. I mean, we talked about it. 461 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,840 It was nice to see Donovan Mccully, you know, with another 462 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,160 touchdown grab. He had a really good close to 463 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,520 the season. It was nice to see EJ Williams 464 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,880 after a really slow start, really, you know, contribute 465 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,760 fairly well. You look at the receiving 466 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,280 numbers or let's look at the numbers overall, I guess, you 467 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,800 know, you know as you come out of this game, Soresby ended up 468 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,040 with 12 touchdowns and two interceptions and a 57% 469 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,280 completion percentage, which that's that's better than the 470 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,120 Connor Basilak's numbers last year, he had a 55% completion 471 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:58,640 percentage, 2300 yards. He threw the ball more. 13 472 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,680 touchdowns, 10 interceptions, you know, But the problem is 473 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,080 like you got to throw the the interceptions that he had in 474 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:12,480 this game into that mix and that's so now it's actually 15 475 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,960 touchdowns and five interceptions. 476 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,320 So I was actually, they haven't updated CFB stats. 477 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,400 I was like why haven't they updated? 478 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,040 Why did that seems weird. Why did he have two 479 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,200 interceptions? So editors, go ahead and cut 480 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,640 that whole section out, please. Thank you. 481 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,600 No, I'm kidding. See occasionally our information 482 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,880 sources are wrong. But still, I think Soresby 483 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,960 overall, I generally like what I saw out of him on the season. 484 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,040 It, you know there's something to build off of their 57% 485 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,520 completion percentage, 158715 touchdowns, 5 interceptions, you 486 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,920 got some good play out of the receivers. 487 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,320 It was nice to see them play well. 488 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,080 It's just like it felt like with what you saw there, Indiana 489 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,680 should have done more than what they did in this game and you go 490 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,200 through the play by play and just a lot of punts. 491 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,200 I mean it was not a good start to the game overall and you go 492 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,320 down the stretch I mean of of Indiana's. 493 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,040 Indiana didn't have the ball that much in the second-half. 494 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,560 They they had 1/4 play 7 yard drive that led to a punt. 495 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,080 They had the eight play touchdown Dr. They had the three 496 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,800 play 2 yard punt drive around the beginning of the fourth 497 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,400 quarter they had a 7 play drive for a field goal and then they 498 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,920 turned the ball over on downs Indiana had the ball five times. 499 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,080 Now they, you know they got the kick return, so that has to 500 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,280 weigh in a little bit. But still they only had five 501 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,600 drives in that second-half and Purdue did a lot more with what 502 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,640 they had at their disposal and I guess that's ultimately what it 503 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,680 all comes down to. So any any other thoughts I 504 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,640 guess just in general about this game and and anything that was 505 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,600 noteworthy that you think is deserving a match. 506 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,720 We can talk a little bit about the post game comments. 507 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,720 Tom Allen had some odd post game comments, but I don't know 508 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,040 anything else you'd like to talk about. 509 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,800 Yeah, I mean, we can probably save the post game. 510 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,760 That's probably factors more into the full season. 511 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,440 No, it's just it's. I I echo something that that you 512 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,440 said in the preview and they they talked about on the 513 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,920 broadcast too that it it's kind of this idea of like man this is 514 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,400 a this is one of my favorite you know underrated trophies and 515 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,240 like it shouldn't it shouldn't be that this is a great rivalry. 516 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,280 Like Purdue really hates IU. Like they just they really do. 517 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,480 They really do. Fuck. 518 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,120 At everything, at every event. Like, they really don't like it. 519 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,240 And you know, as an IU fan, there's an annoyance with 520 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,080 Purdue, but it's like, you know, there there's. 521 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,600 We're living in a world now too. It's like when they went to the 522 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,360 Rose Bowl, it's like, man, that's that sucks. 523 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:32,520 And like I think we're all, you know, the different, you know, 524 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,360 cross mixing sports here. But it's like if Purdue makes a 525 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:38,160 final four wins a title, it's like that that I think scares a 526 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,560 lot of IE fans because we get, you know, knocked off our regal 527 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,400 perch, so to speak. But it's it's a great rivalry 528 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,280 and it's just it it sucks that it's gotten diminished because 529 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,000 it, frankly, Indiana has not been able to compete in the 530 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,280 rivalry at a level to make it a fun, successful rivalry. 531 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,200 And even just thinking that you know that the one Tom Allen win 532 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,960 was a win that you desperately needed to get to the Gator Bowl 533 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,360 and you went to double overtime was like 44 to 42 like that was 534 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,880 you really sweat sweated that one out to get it done against a 535 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,200 bad Purdue team that year. I mean that that that's my kind 536 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,600 of main take away is it's a very cool rivalry. 537 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,520 It's a very cool trophy. It should be more front and 538 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,600 center but. But unfortunately it's not 539 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,440 because it's kind of been bad games and one sided and there's 540 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,040 not playing for a lot. And while Purdue is somewhat, 541 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,520 you know, at fault to some of that, it's like mostly Indiana 542 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,920 because we come in on, you know, not going for bulls and and like 543 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,440 it's, you know Ohio State and Michigan hate each other too. 544 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,560 But part of the reason that rivalry is so great is like 545 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,360 they're playing. They're playing for actual 546 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,400 meaningful stakes. It's true. 547 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,880 I mean, and look, I mean, as much as we like to rag on 548 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:51,120 Purdue, if you go back to 2011, let's say, you know Purdue's 549 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:56,240 been to six bowls in that time. Indiana has been to not as many 550 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,040 bowls in that time, obviously. But Purdue's had down years and 551 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,480 they've had stretches of down years. 552 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,000 They had that stretch from 2013 to 2016 where they won 132 and 553 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,480 three games, but then they picked themselves back up and 554 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,680 they were pretty successful over the course of the the next six 555 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,360 seasons. You know, give or take a couple 556 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:18,280 with COVID. And yeah, Indiana just generally 557 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,000 doesn't bring it in. The in the mid 2000s, the late 558 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,480 90s, early 2000s when Purdue was regularly good, from 1998, when 559 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,000 or when or 97, sorry. When Purdue went to their first 560 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,240 bowl game under Tiller, Through the last bowl game that Purdue 561 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,000 went to under Tiller in 2007, Indiana fielded exactly one team 562 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,680 with a winning record in that entire time. 563 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,000 And that was, and that was the last season. 564 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,760 That was, of course, the Austin star kick that send Indiana to 565 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,960 the insight.com Bowl. You know that that's wild, that 566 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,400 that's been what the series has been like over the course of of 567 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,320 largely the last 20 years. And I think what's frustrating 568 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,560 is Purdue had Danny Hope, Purdue had Daryl Hazel, this was the 569 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,400 time for IU to make some hay in the series, and they couldn't 570 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,920 get out of their own way. And this is another season where 571 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,800 you've got a four and eight Ryan Walters. 572 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,880 I don't think Ryan Walters gonna be around that long, quite 573 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,760 frankly. You couldn't beat Purdue in this 574 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,400 game and you finished three and nine on the season and that's 575 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,440 really disappointing. And also just how much of, you 576 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,120 know, just kind of hits with a thud. 577 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,640 I mean like it's you're you're in Bloomington, you know more 578 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,160 about it. But even up here I got, you 579 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,240 know, friends that are Purdue. It's like just there's not a lot 580 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,160 of talk. It's just kind of like, well, it 581 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,960 was, it was probably the least anticipated bucket game I can 582 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,960 remember. I mean, there's normally at 583 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,080 least one or the other team that's good and people are 584 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,680 talking about the outcome. I really, I think you have to go 585 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,480 back to like, I don't know, the mid 90s or maybe the early 20 586 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,400 tens like that, the middle of the Danny Hope era when Bill 587 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,080 Lynch was still at IU. You have to go back to then to 588 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,000 find bucket games that felt less relevant. 589 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,160 And that's a real shame because like you said like this, this 590 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,960 should be a good rivalry. This should. 591 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,880 I mean two Big 10 teams. It's a you know it's but much 592 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,200 like in basketball it feels like neither program can 593 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,400 simultaneously get their crap together. 594 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,120 And you know you got that a little bit now and now the 595 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,040 rivalry feels a lot more full. But for a long time it wasn't 596 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,680 and just in football it's just it's a shame anyway. 597 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,560 So that's pretty much all that there is to say about the game. 598 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,680 It's another disappointment and and this was the capper to a 599 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,320 very long series of disappointments this season and 600 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,200 that's I, you know, I can't say that we didn't think that this 601 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,360 was what was going to happen. Scott right down to lose I think 602 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,240 did we both have are you losing to Purdue at the end? 603 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,320 I can't remember. Purdue is my win. 604 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,440 I I had losses all the way. I think Purdue is my win. 605 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,240 Memory serves, I think Rutgers was your win. 606 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,520 Yeah, well, I I. Had us. 607 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,000 I had us finishing the season with a flurry with a win against 608 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,880 Purdue. There you go, a flurry. 609 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,960 I mean, but I guess we we, we Wisconsin, we we at least got 610 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,600 that series ironed up. No, it's. 611 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,000 It's. Yeah, I don't want to step on 612 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,760 the next pod, but it's like, it's just it it ends with a thud 613 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,320 and it's just, it's a real just, you know, again, unfortunately, 614 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,160 Indiana football kind of goes off quietly into the wilderness 615 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,840 and you know this. This is why I'll say one thing 616 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,360 and I'll be off it like year after year after year. 617 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,800 Like I get so tired of, you know, when when fans get, you 618 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,960 know, oh man, they just, they give up when when basketball 619 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,280 starts and they just, they stop watch football. 620 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,880 It's like, well, because of this, like This is why. 621 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,200 Because. There was like, I mean there was 622 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,400 even a small glimmer of hope. It's like we're in playoff mode 623 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,440 win four in a row and then it's just like you, you have all of 624 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,880 the same self-inflicted wounds. I mean and that's The thing is 625 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,760 like I I don't think this team gave up. 626 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,160 They were playing hard, but they were just they weren't able to 627 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,360 do anything like tackling wise, like they were in the right 628 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,840 places. They were just not able to do 629 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:54,320 it. And I don't. 630 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,120 I don't know what's more frustrating, a team that just 631 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,720 kind of checks out, it's like, all right man, we're done. 632 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,040 Or a team like this, where it seems like they were still 633 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,880 really trying but just unable to do the things you needed to do 634 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,120 to win and then making a lot of kind of boneheaded mistakes 635 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,200 along the way, both players and coaching staff. 636 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,640 It's like I it's almost more frustrating this way because at 637 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,800 least if they just all checked out like two years ago, it's 638 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,680 like, all right, well, that team had some talent. 639 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,640 It's just more of a motivation issue, which is what we were 640 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,360 told. Now I'm I'm concerned, it's like 641 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,240 is this a talent in preparation issue because. 642 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,920 It it doesn't again, like this. Seemed like people were into it 643 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,000 and trying. They just weren't able to do it. 644 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,040 Now I think all that's accurate and that I think the hope was 645 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,920 down the stretch is Indiana played two teams that didn't 646 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,760 have much to play for in Michigan State and Purdue. 647 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,760 That Indiana, if they did have something to play for, if they 648 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,040 wanted to play for their coach, if they wanted to play for 649 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,680 pride, if they wanted to play for whatever, that they would 650 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,720 figure out a way to do what they needed to do and they didn't. 651 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:01,720 And instead what you ended up with was this, which you know I 652 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,360 think what gets lost sometimes it's funny like you hear a lot 653 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,800 of talk about should Tom Allen stay or go or the the players 654 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,760 you know what are the players feelings And those things are 655 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,240 important to talk about. But man again I keep coming back 656 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:20,920 to this idea that fans of IU football really do like if 657 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,880 you're still a fan of IU football and and we count 658 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,920 ourselves in this like what are we doing This is because this is 659 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,680 it. Every single time it feels like 660 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,240 there are there are occasionally moments where this is not a woe 661 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,040 is me thing. It's more because look we've 662 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,320 we've gone ahead and you know we we committed to it you know a 663 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,640 long time ago. We podcast on it on a regular 664 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,880 basis. This is the lot that we've 665 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,200 chosen in life. But the I don't know why people 666 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,680 get upset at IU football fans. I don't understand why people 667 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,720 think that IU football fans are like, obligated to support the 668 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,520 program when the program goes out and in winnable games like 669 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,280 this does this. What is what is it that you're 670 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,720 supposed to walk out of this this season with some level of 671 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,199 pride as as a fan? I mean, last year was bad, but 672 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,800 at least like, hey, we won a trophy game and we're, we're 673 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,520 feeling very, you know, maybe halfway decent about things 674 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,840 getting a little bit better. All of that hope is gone. 675 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,520 You lost both your trophy games and to lose to a Purdue team 676 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,600 that was that bad, that looked like they were just like 677 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,000 desperate to give the game away in the first half is a really 678 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,760 hard pill to swallow. The other thing that I have a 679 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,080 hard time with, again widening the scope a little bit, but not 680 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,960 too wide, something you mentioned in the pregame. 681 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,679 Which is just, it's just stats. But like, I think we now finish 682 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,239 as the worst team in the Big 10, worst team in the Big 10 E and 683 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,639 and that's really bothersome because you had two teams that 684 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,920 just had complete dumpster fires of seasons like Michigan State. 685 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,679 Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong. 686 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,679 And then Northwestern, same thing. 687 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,040 Like two teams with massive coaching problems and you know 688 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,360 you have. And the Purdue's having a really 689 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:00,880 bad season like Wisconsin, have a good season. 690 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,520 Like all with all of that going on? 691 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,800 You cash in one win and you have the worst record of the Big 10. 692 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,040 Like, that's what will get lost. This will be another season. 693 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,200 We suck. But it's like there were teams 694 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,440 having like catastrophically bad seasons. 695 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,600 And for a program like Indiana, that's when you have to. 696 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,400 You can't just make hay by being good. 697 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,160 You also have to take advantage of other people being bad and 698 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,560 just bank a couple of wins in that in that season. 699 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,640 It's like, I just don't think we were. 700 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,080 This bad but it's a that that bugs me that you have a couple 701 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,960 of teams that had just massively dumpster fire type seasons and 702 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,120 we're still the worst team in the Big 10 and they that is 703 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,440 indeed how it finished off. We talked about this in the 704 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:48,360 pregame pod there the the the the standings will forever show 705 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,480 that Indiana in this season of of all the bad teams that were 706 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,360 having bad seasons, of the two teams that fired coaches, 707 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,680 Indiana was the only team that didn't win at least two games in 708 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,160 the conference and one of only two teams that didn't win at 709 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,120 least three games in the conference. 710 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,080 That's real bad. There's no there's no other way 711 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,400 to put it and it's and the fact that you had a chance with 712 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,760 Purdue to at least knock them down into that level. 713 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,080 Create a three-way tie for like all the two, two win teams in 714 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,440 the conference and you couldn't do it. 715 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,360 I think it's probably speaks volumes. 716 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,200 Anyway, like you said, we don't want to step on the next pod, so 717 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,520 we'll go ahead and wrap this one up. 718 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,760 Again. Purdue beats Indiana 3531 and 719 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,920 Indiana finishes the season 3:00 and 9:00 and 1:00 and 8:00 in 720 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,800 conference. We'll be back later on, maybe 721 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,280 today, maybe tomorrow with our post game or post season wrap up 722 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,000 pod, so be sure to stick with us on that. 723 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,880 Be sure to check out the assembly call later today as 724 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,200 they'll have the post game recap show for Indiana at Harvard in 725 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,080 men's basketball that coming up at 4:00 this afternoon for 726 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,480 Scott. I'm Galen, this is Crimson Cast. 727 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,000 We'd like to thank you all for tuning in tonight and throughout 728 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000 the season. Bring back the Bison. 729 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,240 We'll catch you folks on the flip side. 730 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:01,840 So on everybody.