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Hi folks, welcome back to 

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Scott here with you, very 

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excited for our guest today. 
But I will you've read the 

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description so it's not like 
it's a surprise, but what I 

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wanted him to be here in gig on 
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be on here because I feel bad. 
He like Galen kind of normally 

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as the captain of the ship in 
his show and he's got to do 

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this. 
So Jared sit back enjoy not 

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having to read a home field 
promo. 

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So only holding that night, I 
know you love home field. 

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We all have home field but I'm 
wearing home. 

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Field, always beautiful. 
He's worried the Indiana ringer.

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Well, the the sweatshirt I turn 
it on. 

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So the thing I've been doing 
that I enjoy is every day a new 

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It was Gonzaga got in go on to 
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what? 
They're one of the teams that 

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are on there. 
I think for the rest of this 

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week you can do that. 
You can pick a team if I had to 

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pick something from Gonzaga 
which might as well we have no 

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real connection with them and 
they're not The Big Ten at least

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not that. 
I think so the mascot hoodie, 

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it's pretty cool. 
It's got the Bulldog laying on 

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the G. 
That's not too bad. 

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They're also coming out with a 
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The bomber jackets are very 
tight, I've seen a lot of the IU

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ones so they are big fans of the
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cast as part of. 
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Out excited to have on today, 

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the father of the home network. 
We got Jared more from assembly 

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called Jared, man. 
How you doing, man? 

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I am great. 
It's a Wednesday and we're not 

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preparing for a Big, Ten 
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So, I know, right? 
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play tomorrow. 
So I am I'm great. 

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This is, this is how march is 
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You know, you've had a bit of an
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end of the day you know you're 
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you're not playing those first 
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This is what it should feel like
so I'm feeling good. 

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Well, You're not what you're not
hitting. 

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Bracketology hoping to see if 
you're in. 

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Like now it's, you know, in a 
weird way, this is probably the 

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most set Indiana's being 
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years. 
It feels like, yeah, I mean, 

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everywhere you look. 
It's just for seed for seed. 

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Seem pretty solid on a four-seat
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It seems like their floor is 
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So yeah. 
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obviously we want to take the 
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for one seeds and all that 
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But given where the program has 
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Word from last season. 
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very, very much needed for a fan
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this kind of success. 
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That's this might want to have 
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I think it's a great time to 
have you on now because you're 

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a, you're a great voice. 
So often you have to do instant 

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reaction. 
So I think it's kind of nice to 

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get you in a format like this 
where you can kind of expand out

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a little bit, look back. 
But I also think we're at an 

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interesting point because this 
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But you know, I look at the next
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inform how we view this season 
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time to kind of stop take a 
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context as best we can. 
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our next two games, it's going 
to rightfully, so change the 

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context of the season and if we 
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to change the context of the 
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rightfully. 
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be incorrect because I think 
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season because we don't know 
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So I'm just, I'm curious. 
You're the kind of the right 

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guy. 
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positive attitude at times. 
How do you view this season as a

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I think it's a tricky. 
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do think we will wrestle with it
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says hey you know this team was 
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compete. 
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know, be a top 10, top 15 team 
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getting the three seed in the 
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know, we were three games out. 
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we didn't really compete for a 
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we've been good. 
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games by 10 points and we're 
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under achieved a little bit even
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That's not exactly what, you 
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The, the ceiling was that we 
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and there's some Fair points in 
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On the other hand, you know, 
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Its point guard. 
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more, you know, player games 
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starters that almost any other 
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NCAA tournament. 
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that navigated one of what ended
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Big Ten schedules in the history
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conference expanded to 14 games.
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They don't like to hear you say 
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you play. 
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team should approach it. 
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that way is fans trying to put 
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And so to me when you add up a 
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be easier or harder. 
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play. 
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schedules. 
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prefer to have had another game 
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Would you have preferred to have
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Road game at Michigan State? 
Which one would you like to have

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this year? 
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the season, it's hard to tell 
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be just look at it in hindsight 
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some of the issues that Indiana 
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predicted, I do I feel very 
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has gone. 
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not going to be able to you 
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season from the postseason that 
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that is going to color things as
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it put a positive spin on the 
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So the legacy of this season is 
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to this point, it's not to say 
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Call a lot, you know, individual
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that Indiana had you would have 
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better but all things considered
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know as a four seed in the NCAA 
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in the Big Ten Tournament. 
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challenges, I feel really good 
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achieved so far. 
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it's fair to not just judge it. 
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expectations because who's to 
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were even, right? 
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point of a preseason 
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If you're not thinking to take 
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happened during the season? 
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perspectives they both have 
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know, I kind of lean more on, 
you know, really being pleased 

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overall, with how this team 
navigated a difficult set of 

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circumstances this season. 
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all of that as well. 
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can't be forgotten about this 
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You know, the injuries are truly
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like the lingering injuries that
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to think back in five or six 
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was injured this year but Trace 
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Like he had a couple dmps. 
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part of the year and there's 
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of games where I think we've all
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but he's a warrior. 
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But you know, that's that's 
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you know, over time going to be 
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that he was one of the guys 
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hood. 
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some dmps there but that will 
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It's gotta be a freshman and 
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figured out a Big, Ten 
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and it's like, no, he was 
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problems throughout the year as 
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So I'm and not then of course 
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So I think those are there. 
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at this season as yes, things 
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areas. 
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be remembered is that you know 
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It's like we were tired of teams
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just didn't come back and games.
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through right now you know you 
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Minnesota which you know they 
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still a game. 
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That was a Rutgers. 
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win at Michigan. 
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The home win against Illinois, 
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You know, there's five games 
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Aren't you so tired about 
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But, you know, in that four-year
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five games like that in four 
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fought back and even some of the
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Northwestern, you know, we 
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And yeah, we had a good number 
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on the show as well, but you 
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everything in one season. 
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games that we've been able to 
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And in a lot of cases, win 
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you can't have the ultimate 
outcome where you look at all 

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your losses, like those should 
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our stuff wins. 
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I'm really happy to see that 
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and we're kind of turning that 
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something a little more 
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What we've all kind of used to 
and grown up with and want to 

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see you. 
It just seems like, you know, 

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this team right now, this 
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greater Collective belief in 
what they're doing, you know, in

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the coaching staff in each 
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I think what you saw a lot of 
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was, you know, a team that look,
I mean, they, you know, we won 

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some big games in the Archie, 
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turn it up every now and then, 
but you're right. 

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You know, a lot of times when 
things got bad, or when season 

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started to go, or you lose a 
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like you just, you never felt 
that the team really believed in

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it. 
Self or believed in each other, 

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believed in the plan that they 
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And I think the difference here 
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Woodson is, it does feel like a 
team that believes now, it seems

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ironic to say that, when 10 of 
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by double digits, you know, and 
there have been a couple of 

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notable, you know, really bad 
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You know, the Penn State game, 
the Iowa game, the first Rutgers

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game in those were bad 
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difference is, you know, that as
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About this, like, why is that 
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Because, like, you can't, I 
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fighting back. 
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back kept coming and made plays 
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Frankly, that is more talented 
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Arena, you know, they play like 
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Ready for that game. 
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I mean, that's the only way that
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that. 
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this roster the injury to Xavier
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offensively, where you're 
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inefficient shots and basketball
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three-point shooting attack, 
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You prone to some ups and downs.
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threes on the wings that are a 
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three start going down, it can 
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felt like some of those poor 
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you know, it was again, just a 
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in what they were doing. 
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does seem to Have a collective 
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its butt, kicked by really good 
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Honestly, and I haven't felt as 
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Truly just kind of like, didn't 
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that's why this team can, you 
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But again the game before it 
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after it, they came back and 
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Vegan. 
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wondering. 
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the last three games. 
They're capable of getting run 

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out of the gym by a talented 
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They could also go into one of 
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basketball and win and they can 
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punch and win close games. 
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guys, who do ultimately believe 
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And sometimes we want everything
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I think this is just kind of a 
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But that overall, you know, has 
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Obviously, you're not going to 
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but it has, some, what made it 
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I think as you go through this 
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the ups and downs and putting 
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we've had however many games, 
we've had 31 games, you know, I 

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think the full picture of who 
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Now what that means for 
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I don't know, exactly, but it's 
it's certainly been just a much 

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more pleasant experience you 
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Watching Jing basketball and 
watching guys developed. 

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And then what we had become used
to know I'm with you on that and

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I think you hit on something. 
You said like that, you know the

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two shots, we take the most over
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basketball. 
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we have two players who are 
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inefficient shots like they 
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I've heard you know, coach on 
your show talk about it like you

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know you know a mid-range shot 
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make it and that's still true 
but like it's still Helpful with

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other teams are popping threes. 
You know you're doing 342 now it

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does it is a bad sign. 
That's kind of the inherent 

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issue with this team. 
They can just can't be solved 

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like that. 
Our two best players their best 

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each of their best shots is a 
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basketball is played today, and 
that's going to get you a lot of

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good results, but it's going to 
get you some choppy results in 

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this. 
Get you some games where, when 

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another team gets comfortable 
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There really is like know once 
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Twelve or thirteen like that was
part of the Iowa problem that we

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don't need to get into specific 
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It's like once you get down by 
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for this team to get back. 
Like it's just that it becomes 

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an issue where it's like now 
you're the clock becomes an 

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issue with 18 minutes left in 
the second quarter. 

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Like no other no other team in 
college basketball because we 

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just don't play that way. 
Although then like the Michigan 

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game, we made a bunch of Threes 
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phishing and he, you know, 
here's the thing. 

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Yeah, you know. 
It's and I'm, you know, Galen 

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has made this Point or circled 
around this point a lot this 

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season and I've really come to 
appreciate what, you know what 

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the point is. 
Because we've we've talked a lot

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All Season about the way that 
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wanting to see more 
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And I do think there has been 
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shooting this wall. 
From 3 to take more threes. 

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I think that could have happened
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this offensive setup of playing 
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you know, now having to kind of 
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with Xavier out, Jalen's going 
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So as a coach You're looking. 
Okay, how do I design an offense

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that puts this freshman? 
Who's going through all this for

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the first time in a position to 
be comfortable? 

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Well what is he most comfortable
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You know, and so it's like okay 
we've already got this guy and 

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Trace that you have given him 
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clear. 
He doesn't feel comfortable 

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enough to do it in games. 
It's not going to happen but 

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he's a really good score around 
the basket. 

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And we've got this other guy 
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So he's really good and you're 
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often as possible. 
And this is where he's most 

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comfortable. 
And so you look at it from a 

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coach's perspective and it's 
like this is the stuff that the 

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analytics don't capture, right? 
It's like, okay, yes, we there 

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may be several possessions here 
where we're taking mid-range 

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shots that are not quote 
unquote, the smart math shot but

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you know what? 
If Jalen hits your pheno is 

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comfortable all game long? 
That's what allows him to step 

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up with confidence at the end of
the Michigan game and drain that

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three-pointer. 
And so maybe you had to have a 

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few inefficient possessions 
along the way to make sure that 

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you're Our freshman point guard 
is comfortable and able to rise 

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to the occasions when you really
need him. 

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And so it can't, it's not always
just a math game, right? 

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I mean, you know, at the end of 
the day, you need your math, to 

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add up more than the other teams
math adds up on the scoreboard 

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and there's a whole lot of ways 
to get there. 

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But, you know, I think that the 
way that Mike Woodson has 

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designed this offense has 
allowed his two best players to 

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flourish through injuries and 
inconsistencies with their 

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teammates, but it's allowed them
to be the rocks on which this 

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team. 
You know, has been able to 

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build, you know, through some of
these ups and downs and 

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obviously Indiana plays better 
when the other guys get going 

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and still feel like there are 
some things we could do to get 

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them going. 
But in the large sense, I've 

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really come to appreciate the 
way that Mike Woodson has kind 

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of set this up for this team 
because I think he's ultimately 

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playing to the strength of his 
two best players and in 

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basketball, that's what you want
to do. 

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And I think for the most part 
we've done that, even if it's 

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not, maybe the ideal setup that 
you would want. 

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Well, the other thing, To just 
from again, pulling out a bit 

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which I'm as guilty of not 
doing, but when you pull out and

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look at this season, you know, 
and I had a friend, you know, 

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one of my neighbors kind of tell
me this throughout the year, 

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he's not an IU fan. 
But at one point he's like, 

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dude, you're eight and one in a 
nine-game, stretch in the Big 

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Ten is like, I will take that 
any day any year against any 

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lineup and, you know, you had a 
stretch in nine games, your 

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eight and one and you finish the
season 11 and 4 in a 15 game, 

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stretch in the Big Ten and, you 
know, we did that in 20. 

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We Kind of had to run like that 
in 2016. 

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Had a run like that in 2013. 
That's about it like in the last

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20 years like it. 
And I do think you know this 

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isn't a coach's second year with
you know having some good you 

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know rosters but like not the 
roster that Mike Woodson would 

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want. 
But in his second year he's 

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doing something we haven't done 
more than a handful of times in 

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20 years which is an indictment 
on the program. 

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That's it, that's it off. 
Season pod will talk, you know, 

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the last 20 years later, but I 
think that needs to be you know 

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some of those losses do so Suck.
And I'm not a fan of the double 

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digit losses, but when you pull 
out a bit and pull that lends 

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out, you know, I will take eight
and one in a nine-game stretch 

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any day any year and I'll take 
11. 

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And for honestly, outside of 
maybe coming into that 2013 

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year, ranked number one in the 
country and I think maybe we 

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could do better than 11 and 4. 
I can't think like it's that 

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year and the 93 like 92 93. 
Like the only two years in the 

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last 40 years and I'd be like I 
wouldn't take 11 and 4 in the 

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Big Ten just starting the season
in October. 

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If you like, you'll go 11 and 4 
in the Big, Ten in a 15-game 

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stretch. 
Like I'll take that every single

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year. 
So I think that like that is 

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some solid consistent winds in 
the Big 10, which we just 

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haven't seen in a while, 
especially when it comes on the 

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heels of a one-in-four start 
Conference playoffs, you know, 

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to your point. 
I mean that was it was a great 

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turnaround, a great rebound by 
this program, you know? 

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Certainly We it was helped by, 
you know, kind of having the 

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soft portion of the schedule 
come after that Penn State loss,

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you know, Wisconsin at home they
haven't been very good and got 

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to plan without Tyler wall, you 
know, Illinois on the road. 

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I think Matthew Myer was sick 
that game Michigan State get to 

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play them at home without Malik 
call. 

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And then, of course, you know, 
Minnesota and Ohio State who 

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have really struggled. 
So that was not the toughest 

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portion of schedule. 
But we also played really well 

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and beat teams by 12 or 15 
points that we should have 

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beaten, you know? 
So that's you know to your point

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that Really important stretch to
kind of get the season back on 

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track. 
And now you know, ever since 

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then I met it's just been a 
parade of NCAA tournament teams 

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one after another after another,
with no break in the schedule 

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and your point of the one in 
four start. 

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Like that's why it's good to do 
something right now and kind of 

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get it in the ground for memory 
sake because that will also be 

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washed away that after that Penn
State lost, I will speak for 

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myself. 
But I know I think you and I 

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talked a little bit. 
I was kind of talking to some of

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my you know in depth. 
Eiu basketball fans, you know, 

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off the Pod and really I was 
like, what the hell's going on, 

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like the hell, because at that 
point you'd lost, you know, five

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of your last seven games, the 
only winds coming against Ilan, 

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Kennesaw State you had, you 
know, a complete ass kicking at 

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Rutgers. 
It was, you know, it's going to 

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be forgotten how dark things 
were the night of January 11th. 

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You know, there's questions that
I will just, you know, personal 

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question. 
Think we all have this like what

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is going on and like this is you
know what is Trace Shack? 

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The eggs Davis Legacy going to 
be here like is Woodson up to 

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00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,600
this task. 
There's a lot of question, I 

444
00:21:22,608 --> 00:21:25,900
think a lot of us were talking 
about, you know, both on the Pod

445
00:21:25,900 --> 00:21:29,700
behind the scenes, just like, 
what is this working out? 

446
00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:31,300
Or like, do we need to make a 
change? 

447
00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:34,500
Just it all. 
Was it, you were staring into 

448
00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:37,900
the abyss, and I think we're 
going myself included. 

449
00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:40,900
We're probably going to forget 
how close we really thought we 

450
00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:44,900
were to the abyss at that point 
because at that point, it did 

451
00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:49,100
look like we were like, 
literally Ripping off the Rock 

452
00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:51,700
and it was like my God, if we 
can't do this with it, Indiana 

453
00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:52,900
guy. 
I like it's just like we have a 

454
00:21:52,908 --> 00:21:55,000
trace Jackson. 
Davis, we have jail, you know, 

455
00:21:55,008 --> 00:21:58,200
it's like what is going on here?
And is this, is this ever going 

456
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,900
to be salvageable things felt 
very broken, they feel very 

457
00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:04,000
broken after the Penn State 
game, you know, because it 

458
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,300
wasn't just the Penn State game.
You think back to the, you know,

459
00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:09,300
the game before against 
Northwestern and this is 

460
00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:11,300
obviously, before anybody 
realized quite how good 

461
00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:13,600
Northwestern was going to be, 
but here's one thing that we 

462
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,900
knew about Northwest, or now we 
know about when we knew about 

463
00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:17,800
them, then it's not a very good 
offensive team. 

464
00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:20,500
In Indiana gave of 84 points at 
home to them. 

465
00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:23,000
Yeah, so that's the thing is 
defensively. 

466
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,800
I mean this team had just 
completely lost its Rudder and 

467
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,100
that's what was so different 
about the Wisconsin game is they

468
00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:32,500
came out and we're playing 
defense with their hair on fire.

469
00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:37,300
You know, that game and and it 
was just such a drastic change 

470
00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:39,900
and I think that kind of made 
everybody's eyes open up and say

471
00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:43,700
okay there's still you know it's
not a real, you know, 

472
00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:47,100
irrevocably broken you know 
things can still get back going 

473
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,100
but yeah, you're right. 
Right. 

474
00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:51,100
I mean, you know, coming on the 
heels of just so you know, 

475
00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:54,800
because you beat Xavier early in
the season and it's like, wow, 

476
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,900
that's a big win. 
And then you beat North Carolina

477
00:22:56,900 --> 00:23:00,900
at home and it's like, let's go 
and then it was just gut punch 

478
00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:03,500
after gut-punch. 
Rucker's, you know, Arizona 

479
00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:05,000
Kansas all, you know, all 
different. 

480
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,500
I think you can explain kind of 
go back into each game and 

481
00:23:07,508 --> 00:23:10,100
explain what happened? 
The Kansas game, honestly, 

482
00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:13,700
everything up until like 
January, yes, and the Kansas 

483
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:15,300
game. 
I remember just feeling 

484
00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:18,900
absolutely. 
I mean, You're just remember 

485
00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:21,200
watching that second half being 
like, what are we doing? 

486
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:24,300
But then you think back to it 
it's like okay, Trace is playing

487
00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:27,400
with a back injury Jalen's, not 
even their ex gets her in the 

488
00:23:27,408 --> 00:23:30,500
middle of the game. 
Like, come on, you know, you 

489
00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:33,000
have to be somewhat. 
I think understanding of some of

490
00:23:33,008 --> 00:23:35,900
those circumstances. 
The team was facing and all that

491
00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:38,000
said, it still felt like they 
could have played better because

492
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,800
there was something in this 
team's energy and commitment, 

493
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,800
especially on the defensive end 
that had just kind of gone away 

494
00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:48,900
which wasn't a total Shocked. 
If you were paying close 

495
00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:51,600
attention in the early season 
because this team's defense 

496
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,400
wasn't quite as good as it was 
last year and we talked about it

497
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,000
a lot and it seemed like those 
fissures just split open into 

498
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,400
massive chasms. 
You know during that stretch of 

499
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,900
play button that's when Indiana 
kind of got it back and the 

500
00:24:02,908 --> 00:24:04,900
defense is still been up and 
down you know this team has 

501
00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:07,200
still dealt with inconsistencies
but it's amazing. 

502
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,100
When Trace gets a little bit 
healthier, Jalen gets a little 

503
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,800
bit more comfortable you get 
race Thompson back who has been 

504
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,700
up and down, but it's just such 
a I just think races presence. 

505
00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:20,200
On the court, calms everybody 
down. 

506
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,100
And it's like okay, here's an 
adult out here who knows where 

507
00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:26,100
to be on defense even if he 
struggles a little bit, we just 

508
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:28,300
feel more comfortable with him 
out there and so his absence 

509
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:31,300
hurt. 
So there's just, you know, just 

510
00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:33,500
think it's one of those and 
really, every season is like 

511
00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:37,100
this where ultimately it ends up
just getting packaged into a 

512
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:39,500
number. 
That's like a 21 and 10. 

513
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,500
It's like, yeah. 
But there are like 30 little 

514
00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:44,500
data points within that that all
kind of tell the story of how we

515
00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:47,700
got here, you know, and I think 
especially in a season like 

516
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,900
This, they're all really 
important to kind of 

517
00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:52,900
understanding the full context. 
And, and the last thing, I'll 

518
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:55,600
say least, we don't have to up 
like the last thing. 

519
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,000
I look at this season as a whole
that I've said a couple times 

520
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,900
is, you know, unfortunately for 
Indiana fans. 

521
00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:09,100
We've we've been either we won 
the Big Ten or a one seed or 

522
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:11,800
were just like clawing to get 
into the tournament. 

523
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,400
There hasn't been a lot of this 
and, you know, I've been saying 

524
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,200
this rough. 
You look at, you know, right now

525
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,600
the teams On the for line are 
just, you know, Connecticut 

526
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,300
Xavier Virginia, Indiana and as 
we talked about this you know 

527
00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:26,900
teams that have high highs and 
low lows and look inconsistent 

528
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:30,400
at times but you know have some 
good wins to show for it's like 

529
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:34,900
that's a 4C like I'm not sure 
like yeah you know if we had if 

530
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:38,300
we had gone twenty two and three
like we're not a 4C like this is

531
00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:41,000
the profile of four seed. 
You look at, you know, I'm 

532
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,400
looking at Xavier, you know, 
they've had their struggles, 

533
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,400
they lost at Butler by to, you 
know, No, they lost the DePaul 

534
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,400
look at or DePaul. 
You look at virgin probably bad.

535
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,400
No you look really bad Loss, 
Virginia lost, you know to 

536
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,100
Boston College. 
They lost two in a row. 

537
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:00,300
They lost to nirodha you know 
the the beginning of the Season 

538
00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:02,600
you look like UConn is another 
perfect example. 

539
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,700
Like they were going to win the 
national title and then they 

540
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:09,700
lost five of six and you know 
it's it is worth remembering 

541
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,800
that you know this is the 
profile of a four seed and you 

542
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,700
know, for seeds can win the 
national championship. 

543
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,000
Being shipped overseas. 
Go to the final four for seeds 

544
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,300
can lose in the first round and 
it feels like that's what we are

545
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:28,300
like and I just I do think it's 
Unique for Indiana fans that we 

546
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,600
haven't kind of been in this 
level of for so long that it's 

547
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,300
like we're either just seeking 
our way in or it's like we have 

548
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:37,100
the Oladipo Zeller you know team
or it's like we're going to win 

549
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:39,700
the title. 
That this is this is what most 

550
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:42,300
for seeds and five seeds and 
3-season the country. 

551
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:45,400
Look like is like on any night, 
they could win a game and they 

552
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,600
can also just piss away games as
well like this. 

553
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,700
Is an exact profile of my mind 
of what a four seed looks like 

554
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:55,300
absolutely a lot like the 2012 
team, which I know Galen has 

555
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:58,100
used a lot as a comparison for 
for this season. 

556
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:01,500
Yeah, it's true. 
And it's not talk much about 

557
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:03,400
that. 
Considering the 2012 team. 

558
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,100
They they lost in the second 
round of Wisconsin in the Big 

559
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:08,600
Ten Tournament. 
Like let's not get into that. 

560
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,700
Well you know, but here's the 
thing, you know, okay. 

561
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:14,500
So that team that team they won 
their first round game in the 

562
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:16,200
Big Ten Tournament, right? 
Did they beat Penn State that 

563
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,500
year and they are you looking 
up? 

564
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:19,600
I was Thinking as I was talking,
I was thinking, like, the next 

565
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,500
year, and we lost to Michigan 
the first round, which was 

566
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,800
annoying. 
Google is an absolute gut punch,

567
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,700
but just kind of, you know, one 
of the things that you had come 

568
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:29,900
to expect from the Big Ten 
Tournament, but it's a new era. 

569
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:32,600
Mike, Woodson is 2 and 1 in the 
Big Ten Tournament. 

570
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:35,500
So maybe we have renewed hope. 
But you know it's an interesting

571
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:38,500
point, right? 
Because okay, you look at a four

572
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:42,500
seed, you look at Indiana, you 
know, an Indiana has 121 of its 

573
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:47,600
31 games and, you know, it's 
kind of the profile of a team. 

574
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:51,600
Team that can maybe win one or 
two but probably doesn't have 

575
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,900
the consistency to string 
together five or six straight 

576
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:56,600
wins, you know, and that's kind 
of where I'm at with this team 

577
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,900
as we enter tournament play, 
which is, you know, yes I 

578
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:03,600
believe Indiana on a neutral 
Court could beat anybody. 

579
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:05,600
And I know that seems crazy. 
It's like well, you know, you 

580
00:28:05,608 --> 00:28:08,400
didn't beat Kansas or you know, 
you didn't beat Arizona neutral 

581
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,600
court. 
It's like no, we didn't play 

582
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,200
very well that night but you 
know, when you can go into 

583
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,500
Mackey and beat Purdue and you 
can go into Xavier and beat 

584
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:17,600
them, you know, now things have 
to happen jail. 

585
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:20,000
To be making a shots, right? 
Team needs to be playing defense

586
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,300
but this team has what a lot of 
other teams don't have, which 

587
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:28,200
is, you start looking up at some
of those top seeds and Indiana. 

588
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,800
Could conceivably be in a game 
with a one or two seed and 

589
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,600
potentially have two of the 
three, most talented players on 

590
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,600
the court in jail under percent,
you know. 

591
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,500
And so if those guys are quick 
and you get some guys around 

592
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:42,800
them, the problem of course is 
consistency from game to game 

593
00:28:42,808 --> 00:28:46,800
and within games. 
And that's where, you know, to 

594
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,800
me the most a outcome in these 
tournaments is when one lose one

595
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:54,000
because that's kind of what this
team has done against really 

596
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,500
good teams. 
You know where it's, you 

597
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:58,700
wouldn't want to lose one now. 
Maybe they, you know, catch some

598
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:00,800
hot shooting and you catch the 
right matchups. 

599
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,400
You know, we know tournament how
you do in the tournament is only

600
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,000
partially controlled by you and 
the way that you play, a lot of 

601
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,500
it as matchups and the other 
teams and how they play, of 

602
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:12,100
course, you know. 
So that's where I think it's 

603
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:15,100
it's important to have proper 
expectations for this team 

604
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:17,600
coming in, which is that little 
inkling of Hope where it's like,

605
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:20,300
You know, we've proven that we 
can go beat anybody. 

606
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:23,300
So I think it's fair for Indiana
fans to go into every game here 

607
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:25,400
in the tournament believing we 
can win this. 

608
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,700
But it's also fair to remember 
that expecting this team to do 

609
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:31,500
it game after game. 
After game. 

610
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:34,100
That's not exactly what they've 
proven, you know? 

611
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:36,100
And so, I don't think 
ultimately, you know, if this 

612
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,900
team can win a game in the Big 
Ten Tournament, you know, get to

613
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:43,500
the round of 32 or sweet 16, 
it's going to feel disappointing

614
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,600
and it's going to be 
disappointing because we all 

615
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,800
kind of hoped for more. 
And I certainly think that there

616
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,700
is is more possible but that's 
probably the most likely outcome

617
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,900
and is disappointing is that 
will feel. 

618
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:56,900
It's also kind of what this team
has shown us to be and some of 

619
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:58,800
that will depend on, you know, 
who the matchup might end up 

620
00:29:58,808 --> 00:30:00,900
being in the second round of the
NCAA tournament. 

621
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:04,300
So I guess it's part of me. 
Just trying to prepare myself 

622
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:07,600
for what the most likely outcome
is while then hoping that this 

623
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,100
team far exceeds it, because 
maybe the bracket opens up, or 

624
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:14,400
they show us something in terms 
of consistency against, you 

625
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,800
know, tournament quality teams 
that we just haven't seen yet. 

626
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,500
This year. 
No. 

627
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,200
And I completely agree. 
And this is what has been so 

628
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,800
frustrating for the last 15 or 
so years and what's 20 plus 

629
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,600
years and what what, what, what 
is so nice about this season? 

630
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,600
Is your 100% right? 
Like this team at its high. 

631
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,400
I think can beat anybody in the 
country, but it's not 

632
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,300
consistent. 
Some exact Osterman talks about 

633
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:42,500
that. 
I really like he's like, that's 

634
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:44,800
not what, you know, what makes 
you an elite athlete? 

635
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,000
Isn't I'm totally butchering his
paraphrase. 

636
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,500
And it's like, it's not Not, you
know, it's not the ability to do

637
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:52,000
something amazing. 
It's the ability to do it eight 

638
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,500
out of ten times. 
Like, if you can do something 

639
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:55,000
consistently, that's what makes 
you great. 

640
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
And that's what this team lacks.
And I don't think they're going,

641
00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:59,700
they're not going to get it in 
two days. 

642
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:04,700
Now, what's different? 
And like you said, is how the 

643
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:06,700
bracket matches up, how things 
happen. 

644
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:10,000
Like, what we just haven't been 
doing as a university is giving 

645
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,900
ourselves at-bats, and, you 
know, there's years like, you 

646
00:31:12,908 --> 00:31:17,700
know, 2016, you get in your good
seed, you win your game against 

647
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:19,800
How do you like things? 
Just don't break for you. 

648
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,500
There's a one seed waiting. 
It's Kentucky its North Carolina

649
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,400
because like it didn't break 
your way. 

650
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,200
You played a tough team, you 
lost okay, the trouble isn't 

651
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,900
that that happened? 
The trouble is that that was 

652
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:32,700
seven years ago and we haven't 
had any other chances since you 

653
00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:36,200
last year for his rightfully 
pissed as we all were myself, 

654
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,100
included, the date and Portland 
stuff. 

655
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:42,500
It's like you did that to 
yourself by being an 11 seed, 

656
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,600
like one seeds, don't have those
travel problems that last year 

657
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,600
should in A1C, if it's like you 
put yourself out A position 

658
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:53,400
where you hope things open up 
and even look back like 2013, 

659
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,600
that team kind of screw 
themselves by not getting the 

660
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,300
Indianapolis bracket, but it was
still there. 

661
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:01,300
They played a tough team, 
whatever you know. 

662
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:03,200
But it's like you look back. 
We just in 20 years, we don't 

663
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,100
give ourselves a lot of, you 
know, at-bats and that's what I 

664
00:32:06,108 --> 00:32:09,500
like about this year is I think 
this is a team that I go in 

665
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:13,800
excited and you know if we're 
the 4 seed you hope that maybe 

666
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,800
the ones not there when you play
them and if they are you hope 

667
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,100
that you do what you did to. 
Duke in 2002 and you beat them. 

668
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,900
And then again, what quietly, 
you know, you and I remember, 

669
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:24,900
but it's like what also help 
there's that the bracket was 

670
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:28,100
open because after Duke we 
played Kent State in Lexington 

671
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:29,900
and like that was it broke, 
right? 

672
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:31,200
And next thing, you know, you're
in a final four. 

673
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,000
It's like, now you play one game
against Oklahoma, keep that team

674
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,100
played two, really good games. 
I'm not diminishing it, but when

675
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:41,800
you look at teams that make the 
final four from the 456 line, 

676
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,600
it's normally that like they 
play one or two, they play the 

677
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,300
right game at the right time and
then things break for them. 

678
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,600
And if you get enough at-bats, 
you'll be in the right spot when

679
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,600
things break for you. 
And that's what that's how I go 

680
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,900
into this tournament is, you 
know, I hope things break right 

681
00:32:56,900 --> 00:33:00,100
for us and if we end up playing 
Alabama, who's, you know, maybe 

682
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:02,200
at the time or we play Kansas 
and they're red hot and they 

683
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,600
just crush us and they win a 
title. 

684
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,700
It's like okay. 
Like that's I look at 2012 

685
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,000
wistfully because it's like I 
still believe and we don't hang 

686
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,200
a banner for this but like I 
think if that team is in any 

687
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,300
other bracket, they are in the 
final four like that team was 

688
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:17,700
playing red hot in the 
tournament. 

689
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:21,900
Gave Kentucky the toughest game 
in that tournament when Kentucky

690
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:23,500
won the title. 
And when people are talking 

691
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:25,400
about, you know, when was the 
last great team, it's like 

692
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:27,000
Anthony Davis and Kentucky like 
that. 

693
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,600
Was we played the, the worst 
team in the sweet 16 that we 

694
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,800
ever in that entire bracket is 
just a. 

695
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,800
But I don't look back and I'm 
not pissed, was like, it didn't 

696
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,600
break for us. 
What I'm pissed about is that, 

697
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,700
that was the last time, you 
know, the next year, then it's 

698
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:40,700
like we haven't had, we had one 
other at-bat since. 

699
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,300
So that's how I go into this 
tournament. 

700
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:46,400
Is I hope that this is a 
continued now. 

701
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,800
Now, we're getting Ting at-bats.
And now we're in there. 

702
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:52,800
And now we're giving shots and 
it's, you know, I'll end my 

703
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,300
little rant on this like izzo's 
fantastic. 

704
00:33:56,300 --> 00:34:00,700
He does a great job of getting 
his team ready to play in March.

705
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:04,300
So this is not a luck thing but 
what you know when people talk 

706
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:07,100
about the Big Ten, not having 
titles and all that like the 

707
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:09,500
thing that he also does a really
good job of because he's a good 

708
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:12,300
coach and has good teams but 
like they are in the tournament 

709
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,199
in a good seed line. 
Most years oh yeah. 

710
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,400
They were too and they lost the 
first round but Year, they were 

711
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,400
in 11, they lost their but like 
they're making the final four 

712
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,199
because they're good and they're
will Coach, but like they're 

713
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,000
also there and they're able to 
take advantage of opportunities 

714
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,699
when they present themselves. 
We can't take advantage of 

715
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:30,199
opportunities. 
When we're playing the NIT 

716
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,000
against Georgia Tech. 
No, you're right. 

717
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,600
I mean that's the thing with the
tournament. 

718
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,600
I mean it is it can be such a 
crap shoot. 

719
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,100
And so you just want to give 
yourself opportunities. 

720
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,000
And the problem is man, 
tournament appearances have been

721
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,400
so few and far between. 
And so now, it seems like we 

722
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,699
make one. 
It's like we have to make up for

723
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,400
All this lost time it's like it.
That is an unhealthy way to view

724
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,199
the NCAA tournament great. 
You know, it's not to say that 

725
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,800
you shouldn't have expectations 
but your expectations should be 

726
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,100
over a long time window to where
it's like. 

727
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,900
All right. 
Look like like for example, this

728
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:05,100
is where I think Purdue fans are
starting to get with Matt 

729
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:07,700
Painter and I think to a certain
extent, there's some fairness 

730
00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:10,600
there where it's like. 
Okay, we've now made the NCAA 

731
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,800
tournament. 
A lot of years in a row with 

732
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,000
really good seeds. 
We made one Elite eight. 

733
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,300
We've had some other teams that 
have underperformed We're at the

734
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:20,900
point now where it's kind of 
fair to start expecting a final 

735
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:23,800
four at some point, right. 
And I think I think that's, I 

736
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,100
think that's fair because 
they've made enough, you know, 

737
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:28,000
that they've made it enough 
times. 

738
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:31,700
Well you know if you've only 
made it a you know a couple 

739
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:34,600
times you've only had a few 
cracks at it and it's your here 

740
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,000
this year but then you miss it 
for two years. 

741
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,100
It's like well you know you 
really have. 

742
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:41,400
You know, it's like Tom crean. 
What did Tom crean make for NCAA

743
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,800
tournaments in his nine Seasons?
I think it was four and, you 

744
00:35:45,808 --> 00:35:48,800
know, he made three sweet 16s 
and for For and state tournament

745
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,200
appearances. 
I mean that's actually pretty 

746
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,200
good, you know, but the problem 
is, he didn't have it, you know,

747
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,400
it was up, it was down and then,
you know, so you didn't have 

748
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,400
that consistency to wear. 
Okay, in 2013 we underperformed,

749
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,700
we should have been better, we 
weren't prepared, you know, for 

750
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:06,800
Syracuse, you know, in 2012 and 
2016. 

751
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:09,900
Both of those teams had final 
four potential and ran into one 

752
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:11,500
of the best teams in the sweet 
16. 

753
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,100
Not much, you can do about that,
you know. 

754
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:16,300
So that's what you need. 
Now is. 

755
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,100
You need other opportunities. 
We're hey okay, this team wasn't

756
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:22,300
quite as good but look at that. 
The bracket opened up for them 

757
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:24,100
and they made the elite eight. 
And that's how you help kind of 

758
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,500
compensate for maybe another 
year where it's down like Bill 

759
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:29,800
self is gone through this you 
know and now he's had so many 

760
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,300
cracks at it they win another 
title last year. 

761
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,700
They've got another chance this 
year and so I think that's what 

762
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:37,000
Indiana has been missing which 
we took for granted, of course, 

763
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,900
because we had all those 
opportunities you know, with 

764
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:41,700
Coach Knight. 
And so that's what we need to 

765
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,900
get back to which is maybe you 
don't make the NCAA tournament 

766
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:47,200
every single season. 
But eight, nine times out of 

767
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,200
ten. 
You're in there. 

768
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:51,700
You're giving yourself a chance 
and that helps you not. 

769
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:54,400
Look at each and every NCAA 
tournament appearances. 

770
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,400
Like this precious thing that we
must maximize. 

771
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,600
Yes. 
You want to maximize everyone? 

772
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:01,700
That's like, man. 
Sometimes you're just going to 

773
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:04,300
get screwed, you're going to 
play, you know, one bad game, 

774
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:06,800
and a single-elimination 
tournament, or they get hot. 

775
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,700
And you have to allow some space
for that because everybody's 

776
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:13,000
trying to compete for wins in 
the same tournament. 

777
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,100
And so that's what I hope. 
We're starting to build here at 

778
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:19,100
IU which is what Purdue is. 
What Wisconsin has had and what 

779
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,100
Michigan state has had where 
it's like, you just go every 

780
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:24,000
year and you get your 
opportunities. 

781
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:27,400
And now over time, you know, if 
you're a good enough program, it

782
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,600
starts to even out and you get 
the opportunity to make your 

783
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,600
runs like Indiana did in 2002. 
Yeah. 

784
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,400
Oh, and real quickly. 
We'll just because you brought 

785
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,400
up Purdue. 
I've been saying it for a while,

786
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,900
like it is. 
I would take the last 20 years 

787
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:44,700
of Purdue's Big Ten success in a
heartbeat that said I agree with

788
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:46,300
you, the Purdue fans that I 
know. 

789
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:47,600
Like, they're starting to get 
that. 

790
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:50,400
At that painter thing. 
And there is a I look at this as

791
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,800
like this is kind of you know 
last year was probably sorry my 

792
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,300
dogs in the back, wouldn't be a 
crimson Castle. 

793
00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:58,300
A dog barking. 
What up? 

794
00:37:58,300 --> 00:37:59,000
Want to? 
Thank you? 

795
00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:03,500
Yeah, it's it's a, it's a noise.
Machine is not real, you know, 

796
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:05,800
you look at last year that was 
the most well-constructed team. 

797
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:09,200
I think you could ever have, you
know, with you have you know the

798
00:38:09,207 --> 00:38:11,500
national player of the year a 
year before you have them has 

799
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:13,600
had too many guys last year 89. 
Yeah. 

800
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,000
But then you have it this year 
and it's like, you know and then

801
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,900
last year again the bracket 
could Out of broken better for 

802
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:20,800
them. 
Couldn't get it done. 

803
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,000
I I think this is going to look,
you know, they don't make the 

804
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,500
final four this year which I 
hope they don't knock on wood. 

805
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,300
You look back at this as I would
like you know the Glenn Robinson

806
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:34,600
Gene Keady are, it's like well 
if you can't do it then maybe 

807
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,700
it's just not going to happen. 
All that said, I'll caveat at I 

808
00:38:37,707 --> 00:38:41,600
was randomly watching clips of 
that, Virginia, Purdue Regional 

809
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,100
final game. 
And I mean damn you play that 

810
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:49,100
game 99 more time. 
Eames producing the final four 

811
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:51,200
hits. 
It is bananas, they lost that 

812
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,900
game. 
So I that Virginia team is one 

813
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:56,200
of my favorite. 
Non IU teams of all time. 

814
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:59,200
Love that team. 
Yeah, love that tube. 

815
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:02,300
Yeah. 
The other thing I would say too,

816
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:04,500
I think you're the head space, 
you're in it. 

817
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:08,500
You're at is very much where I'm
at and I also feel that, you 

818
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:13,500
know, we'll see, but it does 
feel like Woodson has a hand on 

819
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,500
this team and the future and 
things moving forward, which is 

820
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:20,500
kind of a lead-in Here is your 
take on the Xavier Johnson 

821
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:22,500
decision, we talked about it a 
little bit on the last Crimson 

822
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:26,500
cast, I think for sake of a 
discussion here you know, we're 

823
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:28,700
not doctors were not insiders, I
don't know if he's hurt or not, 

824
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:31,100
we'll just assume you know, for 
sake of discussion. 

825
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:35,400
You know, let's just pretend 
that maybe he was healthy to 

826
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,300
play the end of these games, you
know, if obviously he's 100% not

827
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:41,400
healthy to play, then he 
shouldn't play. 

828
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,900
Like we both are going to, I'm 
going to assume. 

829
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:45,500
We're both in agreement that I'm
just curious. 

830
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:47,600
You, what are your thoughts like
would if he was? 

831
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:50,600
Is healthy and able to play. 
Do you think it's the right idea

832
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,600
to bring him back for a couple 
games and maybe provide that 

833
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,900
spell Off the Bench that we 
might need in the tournament? 

834
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:59,700
Or do you do like it work 
because the other coin to look 

835
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:01,800
at the other side of the coin is
you know this this does 

836
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,600
stabilize you a little bit more 
for next year's. 

837
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,800
A lot of question marks going 
the next year which will talk 

838
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,300
about the offseason. 
But this will be the it's not 

839
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:12,000
going to be like the three 
months of like, oh, you know, I 

840
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,800
see c.j. gumming, this could 
really work out. 

841
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,600
Like we know going in the next 
year Xavier, it's like if Xavier

842
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:19,200
decides to Stay with IU which I 
hope he does. 

843
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,300
If he comes back and not 
transfer again. 

844
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:25,900
But you know, it's like we know 
we have a starting all big ten 

845
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:27,500
point guard. 
Like. 

846
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:30,400
There is no. 
Like, if this, if that is like, 

847
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,700
we know, we have that, we know, 
we have that taken care of. 

848
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,800
I'm curious, your thoughts on 
the Xavier piece of this. 

849
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,300
Well, this is one of those times
where I always want to remind 

850
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:41,000
myself. 
How much information I don't 

851
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,600
have and how that impacts, you 
know, the decision. 

852
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,200
And that's, that's the issue is 
to me. 

853
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,200
You know, I think there's, you 
know, what, this team has done 

854
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,700
this season and what they've 
shown us as we said is, they can

855
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:55,000
beat anybody, right? 
And one of the things that has 

856
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,600
caused the inconsistency is you 
just don't have much behind 

857
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,400
Jalen and tray that you rely on 
as a ball handler, as another 

858
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,800
score Off the Bench. 
And so, there are so many issues

859
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,700
that we've talked about with 
this Indiana team over the last 

860
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:14,600
two months that a healthy Xavier
Johnson would help. 

861
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,400
And so my feeling all along, Was
all right. 

862
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,900
If he is healthy enough to come 
back and give you 10 to 50, a 

863
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:26,400
minimum of 10 to 15 minutes of 
maybe 85 to. 90% of what you've 

864
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,800
come to expect from ex I want 
him this year because I think 

865
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,200
you know, I think you owe it to 
trace to put them in a position 

866
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,700
to maximize what you can do down
the stretch. 

867
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,300
You know, how often are you 
going to have another guard as 

868
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:42,700
talented as Jalen? 
You know same thing with race. 

869
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:44,800
Same thing with Miller I think 
you owe it to these guys to put 

870
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,400
them in a good position. 
X would have slit in again, to 

871
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,600
this role that we really needed 
someone to fill. 

872
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:54,000
And so, my druthers was always 
a. 

873
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:56,200
I realized that this means we 
probably can't have him next 

874
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,300
year. 
We'll worry about next year. 

875
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:59,000
Next year, let's maximize this 
season. 

876
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:02,300
That would have been my choice. 
It still would be my choice if 

877
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:04,700
he was healthy enough to play, I
don't know. 

878
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:06,800
You know, we all saw the clips 
of him warming up before the 

879
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,900
Iowa game. 
And some people said he dunked, 

880
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:11,200
you know, he was doing ball 
handling but then it also looked

881
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,100
like he was Landing awkwardly, 
every time he shot the ball and 

882
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:16,800
so that's like the only clip 
that we've gotten. 

883
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:19,000
And so we don't know what the 
Medicals are. 

884
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,600
We don't know all of the many 
things and I'm sure went into 

885
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,000
this decision. 
So that said now, you know, even

886
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,800
though it would have been my 
second choice, if x is able to 

887
00:42:27,808 --> 00:42:30,300
come back next year and BX, 
you're right. 

888
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:33,400
He really stabilizes us for next
season, which can be very 

889
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,500
important because and look, it's
really silly. 

890
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:39,600
To start projecting forward, 
rosters and stuff in. 

891
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,600
Like, it used to be fair to do 
from one year to the next. 

892
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,100
Now, we sit here and March it's 
dumb. 

893
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,800
I mean, honestly, it's the kind 
of thing. 

894
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,500
We're going to have to talk 
about it on the assembly, call 

895
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:51,800
every week, because we got to, 
you know, fill air time. 

896
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,600
But I just want to know what our
roster is in October and 

897
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,300
November and then I'll decide. 
Because so much happens. 

898
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:00,400
Who knows about transfers late 
ads, like, all of this stuff? 

899
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:06,800
But certainly it helps that now 
you can resources that would 

900
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,500
have gone. 
Certainly to trying to find an 

901
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:10,900
experience point guard. 
You don't have to use because 

902
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:13,800
you have X, it puts Gabe cups in
a much better position. 

903
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,400
I think to be a backup point 
guard coming in, and not a lot 

904
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,000
of pressure. 
On him which is good. 

905
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,700
And you've got an all Big, Ten 
level player to Anchor. 

906
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:24,100
What is otherwise going to be a 
young unproven team? 

907
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:26,100
That doesn't have a lot of 
experience playing together. 

908
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,700
So look I think any time you 
have a player with x's of x's 

909
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:33,700
caliber that the notion of him 
coming back to play. 

910
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:35,900
It's a win-win scenario no 
matter what because long as you 

911
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:37,800
get him on the court, he's gonna
help you win games. 

912
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,600
But I still would have loved to 
see him come back this year 

913
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,000
because I would want to see, you
know, this team maximize, 

914
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,200
whatever it can do but it sure. 
A great consolation prize that 

915
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,500
hopefully knock on wood. 
Everything goes okay and he'll 

916
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:56,800
be able to be back in Anchor. 
The team next year I um, I agree

917
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,100
with your sentiment of what he 
could do for this year is 

918
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:02,400
exactly the way that I felt. 
And so this might just be me 

919
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,300
trying to rationalize where 
we're at, but I've, I'm okay 

920
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:08,700
with the decision, be way 
because it's the decision and be

921
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,200
a get the health part. 
Like that's, you are 100%, 

922
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,000
right? 
We don't know. 

923
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,400
I'm not, I'm not here to say and
yeah, like the warm-up stuff. 

924
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,800
Like that's also a warm up on 
the same team. 

925
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:20,500
You but it's like dude that's 
not know situations but here's 

926
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:23,200
the other way to look at it is I
agree with you that he would 

927
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,800
help if you had your 90% healthy
acts to play 15 minutes. 

928
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,400
The flip side to that argument 
is of our last three of our last

929
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,600
five losses, four of them were 
double digits. 

930
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,500
So, you know, this team kind of 
has this, you know, I don't 

931
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:40,100
think Xavier would have helped 
any of those. 

932
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:42,900
I think the game against 
Northwestern, a two point loss, 

933
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:44,800
maybe mate. 
You know, him in there. 

934
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,800
Probably swings you could say 
swing. 

935
00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:49,600
That game and provides help, you
know, the Iowa game. 

936
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,300
Well, yeah, because he would 
have, he would have flopped 

937
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:53,600
backwards and boo boo, he pushed
him and would have got the foul 

938
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,900
call. 
Exodus older man. 

939
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,300
Oh true too hard, even step. 
Yes percent. 

940
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:05,800
So not to act like you know, 
adding him doesn't help. 

941
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,100
The Iowa game probably doesn't 
help the Michigan State. 

942
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:10,800
Like I look at this, like this 
is kind of at a spot where when 

943
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,500
this okay now hold on a second. 
So here's the thing, I would 

944
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:15,900
actually push back because think
about the Michigan State game, 

945
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:16,700
right? 
Jalen hitch. 

946
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:20,000
Fino and 30 minutes and that 
game was plus 4 and Michigan 

947
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,700
State beat us by 15. 
They took control of that game 

948
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:26,100
in the first half when Jalen had
to sit with two fouls. 

949
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,600
Well, that's because you're 
trying to run a guards on the 

950
00:45:29,607 --> 00:45:32,200
road in a tough environment as 
tray and Tamar. 

951
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:34,800
Well, that's really tough 
against Michigan, State's 

952
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,800
experience guards. 
If you've got X, instead, he may

953
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,000
help stabilize that. 
And then Michigan State doesn't 

954
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,100
go on that big run, you know, 
same thing at Maryland, right? 

955
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,300
Jalen has just a horrible 
shooting night which is going to

956
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:48,900
happen. 
No freshman on the road, it's 

957
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:51,100
going to happen. 
Remember how good X was at 

958
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:54,300
Maryland last year, maybe if you
have him to smooth out that 

959
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:57,600
rough Edge to me, he could very 
well be the difference between, 

960
00:45:57,700 --> 00:45:59,400
you know, a couple of those wins
and losses. 

961
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,500
You know, it because it does 
seem like so often in those 

962
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:07,500
games you look at what went 
wrong and it's like, well, you 

963
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:11,100
know, we don't have another 
option to help us through 

964
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:13,800
Jalen's ups and downs. 
And it's just, he's a, such a 

965
00:46:13,808 --> 00:46:16,300
talented guy, but he's up and 
down because he's a freshman. 

966
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:17,800
That's what x would have 
brought. 

967
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,300
So again, it is a moot point 
because he's not coming back, 

968
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:23,400
but I would not, I would not 
undersell to me. 

969
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,200
I would not undersell. 
How much his presence has been 

970
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,900
missed. 
That's no, I I'm just trying to 

971
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:32,200
rationalize, I agree with you. 
I agree with you. 

972
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,600
The the his presence is sorely 
missed. 

973
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,600
I do love that he's engaged with
the team. 

974
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,100
That's funny. 
Talking to people who are and we

975
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:42,200
can move on, but talking to 
people who are not like into I 

976
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,700
you, you know, as deep as we 
are, would just say, you know, 

977
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:46,700
is it tough? 
Bringing him. 

978
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:49,600
Accu knows he can have him in 
jail and gonna, you know, Mash 

979
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,600
it's like obviously we're not 
going to know that but I was 

980
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,800
like I don't like this problem 
at all like he's been there. 

981
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,100
He's been engaged like it times.
He's too engaged and gets 

982
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,200
technicals in the bench. 
Like, with the team goes out 

983
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,100
before the game, like, against 
Michigan. 

984
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:03,800
He was doing the five starters 
and him like and he's like, he's

985
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,800
been doing everything but 
playing. 

986
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,300
He's been the most engaged guy 
on the bench. 

987
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:11,000
Like I was, that was the one 
thing I was never going to be 

988
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,400
worried about is like, is he 
gonna like, I think he would 

989
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,900
slot right back in? 
But again it's all moot point 

990
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:18,700
what we'll see him next. 
Year with, you know, who knows? 

991
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:20,500
Who's on the team next year? 
Different pod. 

992
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,700
We've not talked about it 
because I just hate the Big Ten 

993
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:26,100
Tournament so much. 
I hate everything about the Big 

994
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:30,100
Ten Tournament, but my 
understanding and my reporting 

995
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,700
tells me. 
It still gonna be played, 

996
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:35,400
they're still gonna have it. 
I love the way the bracket broke

997
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,900
for us. 
You know what? 

998
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:42,100
I think we have a real. 
He's got no, he's he's not the 

999
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:43,700
right word. 
I think we have a very 

1000
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,400
legitimate path to the finals. 
And I think that's something 

1001
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,100
realistic. 
I'm picked it with my son, just 

1002
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:54,400
for fun. 
I honestly, I picked us to lose 

1003
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,900
to Illinois in the semis just 
because I have Big Ten 

1004
00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:59,000
Tournament fatigue and I'm just 
like every team. 

1005
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,200
It's like, oh yeah, they've 
they've beaten us for it. 

1006
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,800
I feel like everyone there is 
beating us, but what are your 

1007
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,400
high-level thoughts? 
The Big Ten Tournament you like 

1008
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,300
the bracket. 
Like how do you think we'll do? 

1009
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,200
I think we have a pretty good 
pass to the finals, but I'll 

1010
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:16,600
leave it to you. 
Yeah, you know, I think it broke

1011
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,100
about as well as you could want 
it to obviously, you would 

1012
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:22,900
prefer to play the early game. 
The earlier game, I think Friday

1013
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:25,300
evening is exposed, you know, 
instead of the late game so that

1014
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:27,600
if you win, you have a little 
extra rest but whatever. 

1015
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:30,600
That's, that's not really that 
big of a deal. 

1016
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,600
But when you look at who 
Indiana's going to play in their

1017
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,400
first round game, you've got 
Minnesota, Nebraska or Maryland,

1018
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:41,600
you know, obviously Maryland has
been awesome at home and they 

1019
00:48:41,607 --> 00:48:43,100
present the matchup difficulties
friend. 

1020
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:44,700
Hannah. 
But they also can't win away 

1021
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:48,000
from home and so you'd feel okay
in a rematch I think playing 

1022
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,200
them. 
Nebraska has been red hot. 

1023
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:53,300
You know, that's the thing about
that that first win that Indiana

1024
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,700
had over Nebraska early. 
In the season of Sam, Greece 

1025
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:59,000
will didn't play in that game, 
you know, an Indiana, didn't if 

1026
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,500
you think back to that game and 
he hadn't really dominate them, 

1027
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:03,500
like they kept him at arm's 
length all game but they didn't 

1028
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:06,000
really dominate them and 
Nebraska is playing as well as 

1029
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,100
anybody. 
And so they actually I could 

1030
00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:11,300
make the case that they worry me
a little bit more than Maryland 

1031
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:15,100
does at this point. 
But, you know, either way, it's 

1032
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,200
going to be a tough matchup. 
So it's not to say that it's not

1033
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,500
a tough matchup, but I would 
rather play those two teams than

1034
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:25,300
Iowa or Penn State, or having to
play Michigan. 

1035
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:27,400
Again, even though we've beaten 
Michigan twice. 

1036
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,600
They've both been by The Razor's
Edge and you kind of think that 

1037
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,300
the odds probably wouldn't be in
our favor again. 

1038
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:36,800
So you know, I would rather play
one of those teams and then you 

1039
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,900
come after that, you know and 
it's Northwestern Penn State or 

1040
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:44,600
Illinois, you know, I would like
another crack at Northwestern 

1041
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,300
frankly. 
Me too, me too, you know, and 

1042
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:51,200
obviously we've beaten, 
Illinois, twice and Penn State. 

1043
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,800
I think present some unique 
challenges for us in the way 

1044
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,500
that we defend. 
I'd like another chance at them,

1045
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:59,600
but I also would not be sad if 
we don't see, let us lie. 

1046
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,000
So, yeah, I think, I think, I 
think it did break well for 

1047
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,700
Indiana. 
Now again, you know, I think 

1048
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,400
Indiana has proven that they can
beat, you know, the top teams in

1049
00:50:10,408 --> 00:50:12,200
this bracket. 
So a lot of it just comes down 

1050
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,800
to how well do we play because 
this team, you know, could go 

1051
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,600
out and, you know, just struggle
through a game and and lose a 

1052
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:20,900
game that you think that they're
going to win. 

1053
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:24,000
But they have I think earned 
enough Faith at this point to 

1054
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,200
feel like especially in the 
first game, you know, they'll be

1055
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,500
ready to go and then from there 
some of us just going to depend 

1056
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:31,800
on fatigue and matchups and 
things like that. 

1057
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,100
That always end up dictating it 
in tournament play, but I can't 

1058
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:38,300
really think of a when you kind 
of look at how this all fell. 

1059
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,900
Can't really think of a better 
situation for Indiana to be 

1060
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:44,200
choosing. 
Its first opponent from like I 

1061
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,900
don't look at any of those other
ones and think, oh, I would 

1062
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:48,300
rather play. 
You know, one of these other 

1063
00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:50,600
sets of teams. 
So from that standpoint, pretty 

1064
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:51,900
good. 
I agree. 

1065
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:54,200
And I've been saying this for a 
while, like I just wanted to 

1066
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,800
stay away from Michigan State, 
Purdue and Michigan. 

1067
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,500
Just because I feel like they're
the most physical teams in the 

1068
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:02,000
Big Ten. 
And again, I want to do well in 

1069
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,200
the ncaa's, I just I want to 
limit the number of physical 

1070
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,600
40-minute games, Trace in jail, 
And and the whole team has to 

1071
00:51:09,607 --> 00:51:11,600
play. 
And I look at this bracket and 

1072
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,400
it's like, you know, Penn State 
could beat us. 

1073
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,000
Illinois could beat us, but it's
like, those are going to be 

1074
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,400
relatively up and down games. 
Like you're not going to 40 

1075
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,400
minutes, 40 minutes. 
But it's like there's 40 minutes

1076
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,300
and there's 40 minutes. 
Deal was a key T and that feels 

1077
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:26,000
like probably 80. 
I'm sure for trays. 

1078
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,000
So yeah, I was the idea of like,
had we been in the spot where 

1079
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,900
it's like, you know, if we were 
in the Iowa spot where it's 

1080
00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:33,700
like, we got to play Michigan 
State and then Purdue 

1081
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:35,500
back-to-back. 
It's like, dude that's those are

1082
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:37,700
two tough. 
Like that's not going to happen 

1083
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:38,500
for us. 
Worst. 

1084
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,100
We play one of them in the 
finals. 

1085
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,100
So, yeah. 
I like it, I like that. 

1086
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,600
I like just the teams that were 
playing that even if we lose, I 

1087
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,400
feel like it shouldn't take out 
too much out of us. 

1088
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,300
We also drunkenness in the last 
Crimson cast like there is a, 

1089
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:55,400
you know, we'll talk more about 
traces Legacy at the, you know, 

1090
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,600
when the season is over, but 
there is a wild world. 

1091
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,200
Where, you know, if they win 
this, I should even say it's 

1092
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:07,900
like talking about, you know, 
the, the Holy Grail or so, I've 

1093
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:10,000
got holy Rail from like you 
know, Indiana Jones but it's 

1094
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,900
like if we win the Big Ten 
Tournament, there's a world 

1095
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,100
where you'll Trace Jackson. 
Davis just goes into the you 

1096
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:17,800
know, Indiana Legends Club is 
like, why did some you guys 

1097
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,300
never did? 
Like, you know, hey, you know, 

1098
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,900
hey Jared Jeffries. 
Yeah, final for everyone does 

1099
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:25,000
one of those like Big Ten 
Championship, baby. 

1100
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,900
Big tell. 
You know what you got? 

1101
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:29,200
I've been thinking a lot about 
that actually. 

1102
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,400
You know, what would that do for
his legacy? 

1103
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,000
Because it's true. 
I mean, he would be the first 

1104
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,800
one to ever do it, but at the 
same time, like, how much does 

1105
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,700
it really matter? 
Like to how much do we care 

1106
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:41,900
about the Big Ten Tournament 
enough? 

1107
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,300
But I do think it would matter 
though because it would be one 

1108
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:49,000
of those things, right? 
Like part of traces Legacy and 

1109
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,300
part of what Mike Woodson has 
done here in the first couple 

1110
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:53,800
years, is toss. 
Monkeys off our back, right? 

1111
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,500
We were getting, you know, we 
were getting crush on the Purdue

1112
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:58,400
series toss that monkey off your
back. 

1113
00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:00,500
Couldn't beat Michigan toss. 
That monkey off her back. 

1114
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:01,900
Couldn't beat Illinois. 
You know. 

1115
00:53:01,908 --> 00:53:04,000
Okay, now we can't beat Iowa 
anymore but that's fine. 

1116
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,500
I will trade. 
I will trade a losing streak to 

1117
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:08,300
Iowa for all these other 
winnings. 

1118
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:10,300
Shrieks, right? 
Always got to be a punk, no 

1119
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:12,200
more. 
Yeah, so to a certain extent, 

1120
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,100
you know, if he's able to go do 
that, you know, that's kind of 

1121
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:20,100
part of traces Legacy, which is 
just exercising, all these 

1122
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:22,800
demons from the end of the 
Korean era and the Archie era, 

1123
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,800
where it's just like, all right,
I did all of this stuff. 

1124
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,000
Okay, I may not as wait, this 
one's the Davis era. 

1125
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,700
The night are like. 
Yeah, it's all here. 

1126
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:31,400
Exactly. 
And it's like, okay, I may not 

1127
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,900
have made a final four and I may
not have won all the games at 

1128
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:37,200
these other guys did. 
But look at my stats and look at

1129
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,300
how I basically help. 
Reset this program and get all 

1130
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:43,100
this nonsense out of here, all 
these stupid narratives. 

1131
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,300
So now you can all move forward 
and I think there's something to

1132
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:49,100
that you know, and I think it's,
you know, Mike Woodson didn't 

1133
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:52,100
hang a banner, you know. 
He kind of was the you know, the

1134
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:55,600
the he helped link you know from
one area to the next from one 

1135
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,300
Banner to the next and you know 
did a lot of meaningful things. 

1136
00:53:58,300 --> 00:54:02,700
Now he won Big Ten titles and 
had deeper tournament runs, but 

1137
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:06,500
I think there is something I 
can't quite quantify it, but I 

1138
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:08,300
do think that there would be 
something meaningful. 

1139
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:10,500
Therefore Trace. 
That would actually fit kind of 

1140
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:12,600
with the other parts of his 
legacy that he's already 

1141
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,400
established. 
Either wants to win it. 

1142
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:19,000
Or what? 
I don't want to have happen is 

1143
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,000
go to Sunday, play like this, 
tough 40-minute game, and then 

1144
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,100
lose it, you know, and then 
we're like exhausted for the 

1145
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:28,500
NCAA tournament. 
Yeah, they're still like five 

1146
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:31,500
days, but yeah, i-i've been 
thinking about it too. 

1147
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:34,900
And I kind of set it as a joke 
early on, but I, there is 

1148
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:38,400
something to that in that, you 
know, a couple things like you. 

1149
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:41,000
Cat-like the you know, that 
Zeller Oladipo team like you 

1150
00:54:41,008 --> 00:54:45,200
know Yogi Ferrell like they want
a Big Ten title and that means 

1151
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,800
something but that's all they 
have. 

1152
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:50,300
I'm like I'm not diminishing it 
but it's like they were one of 

1153
00:54:50,308 --> 00:54:52,300
the country but in the end they 
then they can final four. 

1154
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:56,700
They went to a sweet 16 twice 
and they had you know to Big Ten

1155
00:54:56,700 --> 00:55:01,600
titles Yogi I guess had three no
just one just to it's real. 

1156
00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:04,100
Yeah. 
But you know and then that's not

1157
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:09,400
nothing but You know, again 
we're not in the era of, you 

1158
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,800
know, the height of the night 
era where everyone you know, 

1159
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,300
every four year players get to a
final four and you know, winning

1160
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:16,700
a title. 
It's like the, you know, the Big

1161
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:20,800
Ten Tournament is something and 
winning, it is something and 

1162
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,900
they keep records and, you know,
it would be a banner like, it 

1163
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:29,500
would be up there in a separate 
bill there, and in a weird way, 

1164
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,000
just kind of thinking of this. 
Now, if they win the Big Ten 

1165
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,100
Tournament, you You could 
probably make the case that 

1166
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:41,500
Trace is now the best player 
we've ever had in the Big Ten 

1167
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:45,400
Tournament based on last year's 
run and this year's run oh yeah.

1168
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:47,600
I mean he might have the most 
wind. 

1169
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,500
I don't it. 
Moved the most wins back-to-back

1170
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:52,700
years. 
The most memorable some of the 

1171
00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:55,500
most memorable like it would be 
in a weird twist. 

1172
00:55:57,300 --> 00:56:03,000
It's a very short list. 
Yeah of but it is something like

1173
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,600
you are, right? 
It's, it is something that's 

1174
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,500
like I'd rather. 
Have that, but nothing. 

1175
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:10,500
So, yeah, I think there is 
something kind of interesting to

1176
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:12,200
play for there. 
And like you said, it's just 

1177
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,000
another monkey off the back, and
then there's no longer like, 

1178
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:17,700
when I talk to friends, who 
aren't I, you fans, and they're 

1179
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:19,400
like, you guys never won the Big
Ten tournament. 

1180
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,100
It's like no little bit of the 
funky, that's the thing. 

1181
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,300
It's like 20 years, they're 
gonna keep playing the stupid 

1182
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:27,300
thing and I'm so sick of 
hearing. 

1183
00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:31,500
Michigan, State's 16 and Ohio 
State is 14 and produce 11. 

1184
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:33,800
And, you know, Galen on that you
guys episode just like going 

1185
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,400
through all this stuff, it's 
like a weird down there with 

1186
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:43,100
Northwestern, I know. 
So it's like, you know, none of 

1187
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:45,900
us put much stock in this 
tournament and I get why it's 

1188
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:47,600
one weekend. 
You know, that's why it to me, 

1189
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,900
what you do over the course of a
full season. 

1190
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:53,500
That's what matters. 
I think we all agree on that. 

1191
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,800
If you're gonna keep playing 
this tournament that at some 

1192
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,000
point we need to compete well in
it, you know. 

1193
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,600
And so if if whatever you know, 
I thought last year, what 

1194
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,300
Indiana did kind of help to 
exorcise some demons. 

1195
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:07,200
Of course, Jordan Bohannon 
brought them all back with the 

1196
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,400
way that we lost the Iowa. 
Thanks, Jordan Bohannon you 

1197
00:57:09,408 --> 00:57:12,900
jackass. 
But that's again, that's part of

1198
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:14,800
what we can do again. 
This year would be nice to just 

1199
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,200
approach the Big Ten Tournament 
like normal without this fear 

1200
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,900
without talking about all the 
bad things that have happened. 

1201
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,700
And that's what a run, you know 
in this tournament could do it. 

1202
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:26,900
Maybe we shut that up, turn a 
new corner and start approaching

1203
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:29,200
it like all the other schools in
the Big Ten, which is without 

1204
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,900
fear. 
And with the expectation that 

1205
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:33,200
every now and then, you know, 
you're going to make a run this 

1206
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,900
thing. 
Well it's our turn. 

1207
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:37,300
Darn it. 
It so yeah, the bracket breaks 

1208
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:39,600
right for you the true. 
Anyway, let's get out of here, 

1209
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:42,700
get out, get you out of here on 
this. 

1210
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,000
I've two last things, the first 
off, just a prediction of, you 

1211
00:57:46,008 --> 00:57:48,000
know, how do you think we do in 
the Big Ten Tournament? 

1212
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:50,000
What do you think eating so many
questions? 

1213
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,700
The NCAA tournament. 
I know it's, you know, it's 

1214
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:55,600
going to be dependent on 
brackets, on locations, but like

1215
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,400
what? 
You know, I'll ask it this way. 

1216
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:00,700
You know, what are you looking 
for? 

1217
00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:02,200
Like, is there a location you 
want? 

1218
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,100
Is their location? 
You think that might help us get

1219
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:05,300
there? 
Ac21 seat. 

1220
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:09,000
Don't want to play like an how 
how do you think this season 

1221
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,500
ends for IU? 
You know, it's a really good 

1222
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:15,400
question. 
So I don't really look so much 

1223
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,200
at like the locations and all 
that stuff mean I probably 

1224
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,700
should, but I leave that to Andy
and Coach with all the 

1225
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:26,200
Bracketology stuff. 
The way I think the season is 

1226
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,300
going to end, as I think we're 
going to win one game in the Big

1227
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:29,900
Ten tournament and then lose the
next one. 

1228
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:32,000
I think that's the most likely 
outcome. 

1229
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:35,000
I think in the NCAA tournament, 
I think we win. 

1230
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,100
Yeah, I mean, no, look, I'm not 
possible, you know, but again, 

1231
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:42,600
but you know, you go back and I,
you know, if there's anything if

1232
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,900
there's any way that I've 
matured over 12 years of doing 

1233
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:47,600
the show, you know, it's kind of
it was kind of stick, like the 

1234
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,200
first few years that I was 
always just predict us to win no

1235
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,700
matter what and find some way 
which was fun for a few years 

1236
00:58:54,700 --> 00:58:57,100
and then you know kind of gets 
old after a while. 

1237
00:58:57,100 --> 00:59:00,200
And so I've tried to take a 
little bit more mature measured 

1238
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,000
you know process for this. 
But that's the thing, like you 

1239
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,300
look at what this team has done 
now. 

1240
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:08,700
Over the past three or four 
weeks against just a constant 

1241
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:11,600
stream of NCAA tournament 
competition and it's essentially

1242
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,300
win one lose one, which is 
actually pretty good. 

1243
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,000
You know when you can do that 
especially when some of the 

1244
00:59:18,008 --> 00:59:20,300
winds are on the road in tough 
environments. 

1245
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,200
And so I just I tend to think 
that's kind of who this team is.

1246
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,600
And so to me the floor and 
really kind of my expectation, I

1247
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,400
guess is when one of the Big Ten
Tournament lose one I think will

1248
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,600
win our first game in the NCAA 
tournament and then you know, to

1249
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,700
a certain extent Based on the 
match up, you know, whether 

1250
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:39,200
we're a four or five, we're 
probably going to play a four or

1251
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,900
five, and that's probably going 
to be a good team. 

1252
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:47,700
And, you know, I think you could
then make the case that, okay? 

1253
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:50,400
Well, the first team we play, 
you know, they're obviously an 

1254
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,600
NCAA Tournament level team, but 
they're probably going to be a 

1255
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,700
13 seed, you know? 
So they're going to be kind of a

1256
00:59:54,707 --> 00:59:57,400
lower Conference Team like maybe
a Kennesaw State that we beat 

1257
00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:59,500
earlier. 
So, we should win that one. 

1258
01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:03,700
And so, you know, now, it gets 
back to playing like a big ten 

1259
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:07,900
level NCAA. 
Team moving forward and so I 

1260
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:12,900
think probably win one lose one 
and so I would my expectation 

1261
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,800
would be win one lose one in the
Big Ten tournament and then when

1262
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,300
your first game and then, you 
know, hopefully then you can get

1263
01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:23,500
a decent match up in that second
round but probably, you know, 

1264
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:25,000
win that and then lose the next 
one. 

1265
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:29,400
And so I think round of 32 sweet
16 seems more likely, I'm 

1266
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,300
willing to kind of bet the over 
I guess and believe in this team

1267
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:34,100
and say they make it to the 
Sweet 16. 

1268
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,700
It just it Becomes really hard 
for me to Envision them going 

1269
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:40,700
beyond that if I'm being honest 
because we just haven't seen 

1270
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:43,700
them, win that many games 
against Tournament level teams 

1271
01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:45,800
in a row, even the five-game 
winning streak as we talked 

1272
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,900
about was, you know, teams that 
are not even in the tournament 

1273
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:52,900
conversation or kind of bubble 
teams that were missing key 

1274
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:55,700
players, you know? 
And so they were able to go on 

1275
01:00:55,707 --> 01:00:59,000
that five game win streak, but 
so that's kind of what I'm 

1276
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,700
looking at. 
And if the bracket breaks and 

1277
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:02,700
maybe you face someone who's not
as good in the second round of 

1278
01:01:02,707 --> 01:01:05,200
the sweet 16, then you can kind 
of, you know, toss that out the 

1279
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:08,600
I do, but I think that's what 
this team has shown us to be. 

1280
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:11,400
And I think if they make, you 
know, win a game in the Big Ten 

1281
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:16,000
Tournament, make a sweet 16 as a
four seed overall, it would kind

1282
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,000
of be like the minimum bar. 
I think that you needed to get 

1283
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,900
from where the season began to 
feel good about it but I think 

1284
01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,600
as long as they play well and 
it's, you know, you don't go out

1285
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,200
there and embarrass yourself, 
somehow I think there'd be a 

1286
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,900
very reasonable way to walk away
from that, feeling good about 

1287
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:32,700
the season and then anything on 
top of it obviously is gravy. 

1288
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:37,000
Yeah I think those are all fair.
Are and logical and probably 

1289
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,200
reasonable and realistic 
expectations. 

1290
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,300
I would also say this is just 
the fun part of me as somebody 

1291
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:46,400
who used to get so into this. 
And I used to videotape One 

1292
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:47,500
Shining Moment. 
I would love it. 

1293
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:50,600
If we had one of our basketball 
players on One Shining Moment 

1294
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,900
this year, it was nice to be on 
it last year with a cheerleader 

1295
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:55,600
getting the ball off. 
But it's like year after year. 

1296
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,400
I watch it and it's be like ad 
we have met on there in a while 

1297
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,400
and then, you know, it'd be nice
just to have to do something to 

1298
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,200
get us on there from a 
basketball player perspective, 

1299
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,500
not, you know, Year, we were 
ranked number one, it's like 

1300
01:02:06,500 --> 01:02:08,800
we're barely in it because we 
got the kind of smoked by 

1301
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:12,300
Syracuse. 
Anyway, Garrett Trace is a big 

1302
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:15,000
enough star now that he'll get 
in it they'll put him in it 

1303
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,800
somehow. 
Even if we don't do well, he'll 

1304
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,200
find a way you did it because 
it's Trace as you should agree. 

1305
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,200
I hope so. 
I the last last thing it just 

1306
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,700
you had this on Twitter, I think
it was a great call and I'm 

1307
01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:32,200
putting the call out to IU 
artifacts to get this done and 

1308
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,600
find it for you. 
And this is also some big lead 

1309
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,800
up here. 
It is also something that like, 

1310
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,100
I had people Galen went to 
Kansas and they and a couple 

1311
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:43,800
other friends with the Kansas, 
they say Kansas was just like an

1312
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,400
unbelievable. 
Like, you know, the Allen 

1313
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:50,100
Fieldhouse was like, just this 
Museum, / Arena /, all this 

1314
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:52,600
stuff. 
This is where I think it, you 

1315
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,500
know, ayuna somebody Hall, could
do a better job of having some 

1316
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:59,300
of this, but March 4th, 93 
Calbert, cheaney breaks, the Big

1317
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:02,600
Ten scoring record, I'm a big 
fan of the podcast, the 

1318
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,900
rewatchable Zahn, the ring or 
network, and one of their 

1319
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:07,400
biggest Is you know what's the 
one thing you'd want from this 

1320
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,600
movie? 
You tweeted out could not agree 

1321
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,500
more. 
If you've seen the picture of 

1322
01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:14,900
Cheney breaking scoring records,
the sign that says Cheney needs 

1323
01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:17,200
one. 
And you're like, I want that 

1324
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,900
sign. 
And I'm like, thinking, like you

1325
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:22,600
and I are cut from the same 
cloth because like I would die 

1326
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,700
to have that sign, I would not 
put it up with thumbtacks, I 

1327
01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:29,500
would put it in a glass frame 
and put it up my office but it's

1328
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:32,800
like wherever that is if 
somebody, you know, if these 

1329
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,100
podcasts do anything for good 
for the people If we can find 

1330
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:39,900
the person who had that sign, if
we know where that sign is IU, 

1331
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:42,800
artifacts can find like it 
should be up an assembly hall 

1332
01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:46,300
somewhere. 
But if it's not get it to Jarrod

1333
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:47,800
and if he doesn't want it, that 
I'll take it. 

1334
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,900
If the shipping is too high, 
I'll send it, send it to me in 

1335
01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:52,900
Westfield but that sign I'm with
you. 

1336
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:55,500
I saw that I'm like that is what
would be one of the core 

1337
01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:59,400
artifacts to have from the 
midnight early 90 IU teams. 

1338
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,500
So I'm gonna cue some sad music 
here at you, you may have oh no,

1339
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:07,900
I might God, if I missed you 
hear, do you hear the sad music 

1340
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:09,900
coming through? 
I didn't follow the rest of the 

1341
01:04:09,908 --> 01:04:10,900
Twitter thread. 
Did I? 

1342
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,200
You didn't follow the rest of 
the Twitter thread, which is cut

1343
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,800
this, unfortunately, 
unfortunately, after many, I've 

1344
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,900
tweeted that out many times and 
I forget the thing, I forget the

1345
01:04:23,908 --> 01:04:26,600
person's name, I'll go find it, 
but it's in the replies. 

1346
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,100
He actually replied to that, and
he had the sign and he took it 

1347
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:33,600
home and, you know, folded it up
and left, it kind of had it 

1348
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,700
sitting like, in his closet. 
Edit and then I think like in 

1349
01:04:36,700 --> 01:04:40,400
2016 his dad or his parents for 
cleaning it out and they threw 

1350
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,100
it out. 
Route out. 

1351
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:44,800
I know. 
And so that's I know 

1352
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:49,600
unfortunately is gone the Holy 
Grail of IU artifact. 

1353
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:54,300
You know items for me. 
Like literally if there was some

1354
01:04:54,300 --> 01:04:58,100
way, if like, if my wife gave me
truth serum and the question 

1355
01:04:58,100 --> 01:05:02,000
was, what would you do? 
What would you give away to have

1356
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,900
decide? 
She would divorce me based on my

1357
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:10,800
answer. 
Because like I'm not saying I, 

1358
01:05:10,808 --> 01:05:13,300
which I'm not looking Scott. 
I'm not saying I would trade my 

1359
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:16,400
son straight up for the sign. 
I'm not saying that a kid but 

1360
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,000
it's really close, right? 
I'm not saying that I wouldn't 

1361
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,700
shut down the discussion 
immediately. 

1362
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,000
Okay? 
Like we could we could negotiate

1363
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,300
the first Minister be like I'm 
not saying no but what condition

1364
01:05:28,300 --> 01:05:42,700
is the sign-in. 
Well, this is why I don't get 

1365
01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:44,500
off Twitter now for a while. 
So I should have read the rest 

1366
01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:45,600
of the replies. 
I apologize. 

1367
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,400
That's you know, it's one of 
those things. 

1368
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,700
It was really cool like hearing 
the story behind it but I kind 

1369
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:53,600
of wish I didn't know I would 
still like the hope that it's 

1370
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,300
out there somewhere. 
You know? 

1371
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,000
Yeah it is not unfortunately if 
Connors listening there's a 

1372
01:06:00,008 --> 01:06:03,100
home-field shirt right there. 
Just dude Cheney needs one 

1373
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:04,700
shirt. 
That'd be awesome. 

1374
01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:09,300
He's one shirt, come on, come 
on, Connor of you're not here, 

1375
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:11,800
you're only releasing you. 
I'm sure the next three months 

1376
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,300
is schedules. 
You I'm releasing 12 more 

1377
01:06:13,300 --> 01:06:15,300
schools. 
Got talked to like these videos 

1378
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:17,100
from this. 
It's like he's got a list of 

1379
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:21,000
things to take care of let's if 
but I will say this, if you can 

1380
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,800
put the time and effort into a 
nine win. 

1381
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,300
Indiana shirt for a dog shit 
football program. 

1382
01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:29,100
Yeah, the lady needs one shirt, 
just just two of them. 

1383
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,100
You would meet such a simple 
design, you know, it doesn't 

1384
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:35,300
need a whole lot of bells and 
whistles, just maybe like a A 

1385
01:06:35,308 --> 01:06:37,500
silhouette of Cheney as he's 
going up for that 

1386
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:39,500
record-breaking shot and then 
the sign. 

1387
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,900
That's all you need. 
Yeah, that'd be great. 

1388
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:44,200
That thing would sell big time. 
Yeah. 

1389
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,400
Well, there you go. 
We're solving problems and uh, 

1390
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,700
math sucks at that signs gone 
but it's amazing. 

1391
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:52,700
It lasted that long till 26. 
Is it is? 

1392
01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:56,600
All right. 
Well Jared it's been awesome. 

1393
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,900
This is going to be a great run 
for the rest of March. 

1394
01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:02,400
We will listen to the assembly 
call try and hop on some of 

1395
01:07:02,408 --> 01:07:04,300
those. 
Hopefully have a lot of them. 

1396
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:07,800
Hopefully have a lot of Of 
absolute, last minute, assembly 

1397
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,800
calls and we breaking it down 
here. 

1398
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,200
And as always, thank you all for
listening. 

1399
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,500
And until next time for Jared, 
this is Scott for Crimson cast 

1400
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:16,200
signing off.