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Before we get started with the 
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wanted to take a second and send
some thoughts and well, wishes 

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out to a longtime member of the 
Indiana football program. 

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And the athletic department, 
Marty Clark Marty's having some 

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very significant health issues 
right now. 

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If you've been around IU 
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Marty has been a fixture there 
for so long. 

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He's been at IU for 30 years. 
He's is official title is senior

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assistant athletic director for 
team purchase. 

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And Licensing, you know, but 
he's been around the football 

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program since he got here in 
1990 and has really been, just 

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one of the faces that you always
see in and around IU football. 

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If you've been around the 
program at all, Marty was also 

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my neighbor for the first four 
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Bloomington, after moving back 
and, you know, great guy. 

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Always friendly. 
Always has a smile on his face 

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and it was always fun to work 
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things. 
I was in the master's program 

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with him as well, and nothing 
but positive, thoughts, and 

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feelings for Marty and his 
family and just wanted to pass 

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that along to all you folks. 
So if you have a second and can 

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extend some positive thoughts 
and prayers for Marty, as he 

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works through some pretty 
significant health issues. 

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It would be appreciated, good 
luck. 

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Marty, we hope that you pull 
through and everything is fine 

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here as we head into the holiday
season. 

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You're listening to the back 
home network, presented by home 

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field apparel. 
Welcome back to Crimson castle 

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and Claudia Scott Caulfield 
joining you. 

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Once again, it's Sunday the 21st
of November and the I don't even

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know how to some of the Season 
up in a word Scott. 

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But this this long march to the 
sea of Despair is only one game 

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left in it. 
Indiana taking another step 

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along the way losing yesterday 
to Minnesota. 

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We're going to talk about that. 
We're going to talk about a 

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pretty bizarre postgame. 
Press conference. 

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That happened immediately 
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And I guess we'll talk a little 
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enter this upcoming. 
First of all, Scott, we wanted 

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to talk about the fine folks 
that helped to bring you Crimson

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cast. 
Why don't you start off and tell

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us a little bit about the 
company that made the hoodie 

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that you're currently wearing? 
So I'm currently wearing the 

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right hoodie, love it, not not, 
not the food, but this is the 

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rice owls, yes, yeah, the rice, 
I would assume people who are 

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listening to this show, 
understand that home field cells

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College apparel, though, I know 
it was more. 

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Oh baby, I knew they'd I think 
they know about College repair. 

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They may not know that Rice 
exists as an institution. 

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Like let's be honest, there may 
not be a school with a lower key

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rating among FBS schools. 
It's true. 

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I live in Houston and a lot of 
people didn't know it was wrong.

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He said a bigger, a bigger of. 
By the way, I love side. 

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Note, living in Houston. 
I loved the I don't, I'm not 

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sure I disagree with it, but I 
loved the push that everybody 

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had in the city for that guy. 
Louis needs to be in the 

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Basketball Hall of Fame, like 
just like, You're doing a head 

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not like it's like yeah me three
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Like he had you know, he had a 
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like I don't disagree but it's 
like I love getting into a local

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place for five years and then 
it's just like nothing but guy 

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be Louis, he's being the Hall of
Fame discussion. 

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Anyway, I've got a lot of 
thoughts on that but that's for 

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a different podcast anyway. 
Home-field apparel is who you're

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talking about. 
So please go ahead started this 

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with rice stock, so they have so
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You have heard of so many 
colleges. 

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You haven't heard of like rice, 
maybe this ability to college, 

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we don't know. 
You great stuff. 

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Here's the important thing. 
We normally talk about codes. 

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There's a, you know, the code 
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Everything, everything is 20% 
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before, you can put a coat in 
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You don't need to put a code in 
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holiday season, or you could 
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a bowl present or a, you know, 
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I got the Indiana one on the 
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excited, she got all of 
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game with me yesterday so that 
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We go ahead and play the outro 

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man for joining us. 
Bring back to bison, right. 

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We're done. 
Well, I love it. 

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So, let's talk about this. 
So, Indiana losses, what? 

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No, no, no, it's okay. 
Well, we have, we'll just, we'll

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just ignore know, Indiana 
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And man. 
It's it's a rough one to say the

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least not the same way that the 
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know, it's funny. 
I, we had at least one person on

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Twitter. 
Say, you know, we need a 

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full-throated angry Galen 
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I just don't have it in me at 
this point. 

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Not not, because I'm trying to 
pull punches but I nothing that 

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happened in that game against 
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surprising to me like it played 
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Not quite the The way that I was
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they actually started with a 
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I was happy to see that but they
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Minnesota and it's, it was 
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we've seen crop up with this 
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Season. 
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know, had a good first drive 
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script and and the script went 
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plays that were made some good 
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And plays that were converted 
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worked. 
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little off guard, by some of the
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the defense, lost some faith and
Minnesota, who is not a great 

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team, but had a decent game plan
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rolled over Indiana and Anna 
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the game went along. 
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you know, the when I think about
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was so angry. 
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that against a really poor 
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Indiana at home, would be able 
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to come out and just play. 
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little fight. 
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really a source of anger. 
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it, and I guess that's why I'm 
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I'm still very, very, very 
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the direction of the program 
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But I'm not hopping mad the way 
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nothing about that, surprise me.
Yeah, I'm very much in a similar

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boat, you know, the other way to
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to some friends last night about
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like, man, is it? 
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at Ohio State fan, just like 
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game. 
I've got to get boring. 

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I'm sure it does like, you know,
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and, but on the flip side, like,
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Like now that I've, we're losing
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pretty angry after the minute 
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Rutgers game. 
Because those felt like winnable

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those two and ten was going to 
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this is kind of a fait accompli.
I'm I'm not as angry because I 

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was expecting this and we were 
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It's like all right. 
Well, when's the bottom going to

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fall like it'll fall out. 
Like let's just go ahead and 

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lose the game and let's just 
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And let's run the boss clock and
move. 

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Yeah, I mean I'm kind of and 
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it's not the IU. 
Football's job to theoretically 

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worry about what fans think, but
it is because they got to put 

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butts in seats that, you know, 
this is, I think a lot of fans 

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are in the spot where we're at, 
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as a program. 
As I'm just kind of checked out 

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like I mean I watch the game but
I'm like I know I'm not 

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disappointed because I had no 
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we would do anything to win and 
even we're up, I'm not really 

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that excited because I know 
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complete it and they they met my
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in. 
That's not good. 

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I mean this is not a good place 
to be where were we lose a 

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pretty winnable Big 10 game at 
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that's I'm not angry. 
Yeah. 

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I mean there were certainly a 
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thing, I'm pissed about that. 
I can that I can go with please.

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All right, I was thinking about 
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woke up and I'm laying in bed 
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to talk about, which is probably
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Wow! 
Just no, wait, I've got some 

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great, a I guess. 
I'm great therapists, I can put 

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you in touch with sorry, go on 
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Yeah, I know, the Kurds and cats
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Crimson cats after dark, we 
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end of the first half of play 
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honest with myself and and 
always, like, fair, I like going

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for it. 
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this against the other Michigan 
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I hate the fact we basically 
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halftime. 
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for it and they're trying to get
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giving away possessions, so I'm 
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play, call is a little bit iffy.
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Is they come out? 
They run a play, they look 

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confused. 
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And it's like they're like when 
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ago. 
I know as a defense you're going

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to come out. 
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then, come in and deal that come
in the Neil. 

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Your you saw something that you 
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But you see this with this team 
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seems so scripted, so controlled
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call timeout because we had to 
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you not run a two-minute drill 
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I know McCullough is a freshman 
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old like he's not my son playing
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three reads. 
Like hey Run play at you got 

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that stupid effing board with 
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Make one of them a play that you
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always having to script to the 
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to run a play because we're 
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situation where normally you 
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You know, I haven't seen as many
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because I've kind of not been 
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I saw this in the Iowa game way 
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We stop. 
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down. 
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coach come back. 
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Iowa's, linebackers started 
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we ran the ball. 
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like it look like we're tipping 
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I've never been doing it all 
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because of the way that we go 
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looks like, we're just like 
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situations that happen on 
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because on defense, this is What
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It was so good. 
Last year. 

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Is they ran tons of Blitz 
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Different start points like the 
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it's doing in that respect, 
running plays and kind of 

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running sneak plays to me, that 
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what's wrong with our offense 
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It's always surprised by the 
situation like, oh, we could run

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a play here at 40 seconds, like 
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it's like that just anyway. 
And again the throw was awful 

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like that was going to be 
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I don't want to get to on it 
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timeout, no timeouts. 
That would have been not the 

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right call. 
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I'm okay with him going for it. 
I'm fine with him, throwing a 

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touchdown. 
I being a an interception, I'm 

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fine with it, but I don't know. 
I just I hate the way that all 

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went down to me. 
It's indicative of a team that 

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doesn't seem to be able to make 
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and they end up telegraphing. 
Everything to the other team. 

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Yeah, no. 
I mean there's a lot to be said 

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for what you just complained 
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Perception on offense about 
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time. 
And, you know, I'm actually so I

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did. 
I'm in the same boat with you. 

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I didn't have a problem with 
them trying to move the ball 

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down the field and kick the 
field goal. 

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You know, it's funny because 
Alan basically like apologized 

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for doing it to some degree in 
the Press comms are so that he 

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was to blame for it and our 
friend, dr. 

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Hoosier mentioned on Twitter 
after that quote, of course, we 

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took the exact wrong lessons out
of that play. 

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It's, it's so true, it's not 
okay. 

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It's not that it's not that the 
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It was that the play had no 
chance of living like the moment

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that they started running the 
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McCauley out to the right. 
It's like there's nothing there 

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and this is absolutely 
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described an offense that can't 
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out what it's supposed to do. 
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passing game. 
That is the worst passing game 

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I've ever watched in. 
Deanna uniforms. 

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I mean, it is you've got 
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aren't getting them open. 
You've got receivers running 

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routes past the point where the 
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throw the ball as we saw with 
the second interception, we're 

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McCully under through the 
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and it was easily picked off. 
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McAuley is being forced to run 
out of a pocket that was never 

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particularly stable in the first
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And instead of planting and 
being able to get something 

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decent off, he's being asked to 
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Veteran, quarterbacks have 
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And, you know, you can certainly
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ball and he should have just 
thrown out of bounds or 

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something, but he was put in a 
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offense where he's asked to do 
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And it put the team in Peril and
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where now it has to try to stop 
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When you've given the other 
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the fact that it was a bad play 
call and apply called it 

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couldn't be properly executed 
and I keep coming back to that 

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and I talked about it last week.
I talked about it in the 

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pregame, this offense is just 
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It is so incapable of achieving 
Even basic things and you know 

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yes there have been some 
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three four different 
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But when you look at the way 
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together regardless of the 
quarterback that's been out 

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there. 
It's almost as if the play calls

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have been independent of, who's 
throwing the ball. 

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It's been independent of what 
personnel sets have been out on 

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the field and it's been bad. 
All the way through the season 

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with the exception of the two 
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I guessed against teams that 
have defenses that are incapable

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of stopping anybody. 
Most of the time that being 

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Idaho Western Kentucky and 
Maryland. 

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And the, the just it was laid 
bare in this game that opening 

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drive, much like the opening 
drive against Ohio, State 

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Indiana seems to know what 
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They don't have to think about 
it. 

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And then, the moment that they 
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what they're doing, not just the
players, but the coaches who are

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making the play calls, 
everything goes to hell. 

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And what what that's resulted Is
a season where I you is now 

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averaging 18 point two points 
per game, which folks that's 

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terrible. 
That is the worst points per 

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game. 
That Indiana has a football 

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program has had since 2003. 
And it would, it be if you took 

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out just Idaho, I have been too 
frightened to do those 

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calculations Idaho in. 
Maryland, it's probably lack. 

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Well, the computers, like does 
not compute. 

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This can't be a power 5 team. 
Sorry and you Formula. 

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I've been harping on this for a 
while, and I was harping on this

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before. 
The statistics got truly bad, 

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which they've gotten here over 
the last couple of weeks, 

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Indiana with that last 
touchdown, that they threw in 

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this game, you know, first of 
all, I do want to say 

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congratulations, and and good 
job to Malachi Holt Bennett. 

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Who catches, his first touchdown
pass that play came at the very 

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beginning of the year, if I 
would have given you odds of 

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who's who, what why receiver is 
touch Cuts catching the first 

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Down and how many wide receivers
catch a touchdown before fry 

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Fogle and what game does it 
happen? 

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Like your. 
Well, you couldn't get blowed 

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out of won't it be fitting on, 
you know, to be clear. 

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It's who caught the first 
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Big, Ten play because, yes, you 
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was either sweating or Marshall 
caught touchdown passes in the 

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Idaho game against an FCS 
opponent. 

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But the first touchdown 
reception for a wide receiver 

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for Indiana football. 
In Big Ten play happened with 22

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seconds left in the The eighth 
game of the Big Ten season and 

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that was important, not just for
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has put Indiana in a position 
now where they will not set the 

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record in the new 14-team big 
10-4. 

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Worst offensive performance for 
a team through a 9 game 

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schedule. 
The the 2016 Rutgers team scored

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86 points through the nine games
that they played. 

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Indiana has now scored 87 points
through. 

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Eight games, they still have to 
score 14 points to best. 

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The second worst offensive 
performance in the 14-team 

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nine-game. 
Big Ten schedule. 

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That was also a Rutgers team. 
I think 2018 who scored 100 

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points through nine games so 
they can score 14 points. 

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They'll get to 101 and they'll 
avoid being the second team on 

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that list, but it just 
illustrates how bad this offense

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is, and it's fascinating to me. 
And maybe more fascinating. 

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I guess it's just disturbing, 
you know, Tom Allen ends up 

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getting asked about things in 
the postgame press conference. 

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And he goes on this, I don't 
know if rant is the right word, 

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but he talks for quite a while 
about Donovan McCully and 

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throwing the football or not 
throwing the football and how 

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well you're not a dual threat 
quarterback. 

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If you aren't throwing the ball 
or you're not side of 

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dual-threat play, if you're just
running the ball, there's no 

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dual there and he's right. 
Right? 

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But he says on more than one 
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conference, we have to throw the
ball more, as if he doesn't have

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control over, whether or not 
Indiana, throws the ball more. 

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That's the thing I find the most
fascinating, it's like, you 

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know, I certainly on the surface
agree with him. 

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Yes, you have to throw the ball,
Indiana finished the first half 

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with as many passing yards seven
as they had points. 

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And in that first half, I think 
they threw the ball. 

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I think there were what four 
attempts in the first half. 

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I think I have that number, 
right? 

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And there was one completion, 
McAuley finished the game 3 for 

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7 for 17 yards, an average of 
two point, four yards per 

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attempt with two interceptions. 
So I guess technically he was, 

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he did complete five passes, it 
was just two of them were to the

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wrong team. 
How is that? 

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But first of all, we've I think 
we've contributed as much as Can

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to the what is Nick Sheridan 
doing fund? 

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We've been asking that question 
like literally since last year 

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this year, it's gotten worse and
worse. 

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But I now have to ask myself, 
what is Tom Allen doing? 

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Because if the emphasis is on 
throwing the football, which it 

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should be because it's 2021 like
this is It's, you know, at one 

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point I was thinking about it 
yesterday like seven yards of 

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passing and a half would have 
been an embarrassment, you know,

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in the Pre-World War 2 era of 
college football. 

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Like you know you would have 
given yourself away as a team 

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that was just totally 
uninterested in passing the ball

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at that stage. 
You are the head coach. 

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You have to have enough control 
over things. 

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You have to put. 
If I got if it's, if it's the 

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quarterback and it was hard to 
tell with Alan's comments 

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specifically whether he was 
being critical of McCully, 

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whether he was being critical of
Sheridan, whether he's been 

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critical of both was probably 
more of that as it was mentioned

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in the Indy star. 
I I think it was a situation 

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where he was being overly 
critical of McCully because 

448
00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:34,900
McCully is an 18 year old kid. 
He's a freshman. 

449
00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:39,800
He wasn't supposed to play this 
year but regardless of that, if 

450
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,200
he can't throw the ball, you 
have to put somebody in that can

451
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,200
throw the ball and, you know, he
they bring Grant Gremlin in the 

452
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,200
fourth quarter and Grumble 
through the wall. 

453
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,300
I mean, you know, he grumbles 
not perfect and I'm certainly, I

454
00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:56,100
was, you know, I wouldn't 
advocate for Grenville under 

455
00:23:56,100 --> 00:24:00,200
normal circumstances but It's 
very strange that all of a 

456
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,300
sudden Grandma comes in and I 
think in two possessions went 5 

457
00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:05,600
for 12 for 60 yards and a 
touchdown. 

458
00:24:06,700 --> 00:24:11,200
So it just it's less about the 
lack of passing that's a huge 

459
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,000
issue. 
But to me now I'm asking myself.

460
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,400
Why does why does Tom Allen 
exercising? 

461
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,300
So little control over, what's 
going on on the field that he's 

462
00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:22,800
in the press conference saying? 
Well we need to pass the ball 

463
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,800
more. 
It's like maybe bring that up in

464
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,000
a meeting or put it in a memo or
something. 

465
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,500
I mean I'm just perplexed. 
Next more than anything else by 

466
00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:34,100
that press conference and by the
performances, over the last 

467
00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:37,700
couple of weeks, how Indiana's 
offense has been allowed to get 

468
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:40,000
to the point that it's gotten 
too because it's not all 

469
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,500
injuries. 
The other thing that I took from

470
00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:45,400
that press conference and we're 
picking nitpicking here things 

471
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,800
but I mean, hey you said it Alan
had a comment where it's like, 

472
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,500
you know, mcculley's picking the
run too many times in the RPO 

473
00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:54,400
and then it like that. 
I'm like, you're the coach, like

474
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,100
I've seen a lot at, like, the 
little bit I've seen from 

475
00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:59,500
McCullough, he doesn't seem like
the player at Whatever he is 18,

476
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,500
19 years old. 
I don't think he's just telling 

477
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,500
alen to f off and he's making 
his own plays. 

478
00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:06,100
Like he's not Cam, Newton out 
there being like a coach, like I

479
00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:07,900
got an MVP under my belt, I got 
this. 

480
00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:12,700
Like I have a feeling that 
McCulley is probably doing what 

481
00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:15,700
you've taught him to do over the
course of the week. 

482
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,200
You could say to him at some 
point on Tuesday, Wednesday, 

483
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,900
Thursday. 
Hey on this RPO, you pull the 

484
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:23,800
ball back to yourself and then 
you throw it? 

485
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,400
Well, and the part I mean, or or
just go to your offensive. 

486
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,000
Do your play caller and say 
we're not running anymore rpos 

487
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,800
because right? 
When we're giving the 

488
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,500
quarterback the option, he's not
taking the right option. 

489
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:40,200
Most of the time that's a 
perceptional issue run. 

490
00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:43,600
I know this is a wild concept 
Scott but if you want to throw 

491
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,100
the ball, maybe call some 
Slants. 

492
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:51,100
Like maybe call some short 
passing yard plays, maybe maybe 

493
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:53,700
call things that are going to 
get the ball out relatively 

494
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:57,900
quickly, easy reads. 
I mean, this is again to and 

495
00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:00,000
this is where I keep keep coming
back to this idea of what is 

496
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,800
going on with the organizational
structure of this team. 

497
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,100
I know, maybe it sounds like I'm
being harsh, but I mean 

498
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,000
everybody else was mentioning 
it, we might as well. 

499
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:12,400
Also if your offense is running 
rpos and you've got an 18 year 

500
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,200
old kid, who was playing against
high schoolers as recently as a 

501
00:26:16,208 --> 00:26:20,800
year ago today you need to 
probably simplify things a bit 

502
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,200
and what makes it even weirder 
is you put the walk on in and 

503
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,700
you're not having to walk on. 
Do a lot of rpos, he's running 

504
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:31,700
relatively In Channel offense. 
What what am I missing something

505
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:33,600
here? 
And and this is what I brought 

506
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,100
up a couple times with McCauley 
that I tread lightly because I 

507
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:41,200
don't think it's McCully and 
he's 1890s young. 

508
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,700
I don't want to get on him but 
it's like his senior year in 

509
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:49,900
high school, he threw the ball, 
199 times he threw for 2,500 

510
00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:52,200
yards in high school. 
Two touchdowns a game. 

511
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,400
He had a quarterback rating of 
140 in high school so he can 

512
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,700
throw like he knows how to play.
Play football. 

513
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:02,300
I was while you were talking 
looking for Gremlins, High 

514
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:06,100
School staff there unfindable, 
at least for me in a couple like

515
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,200
I found his Twitter page that he
squats, 300 pounds and benches 

516
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,700
200. 
It's awesome better that I can 

517
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:12,900
do. 
Shout out Grandma butts like I 

518
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:16,200
don't know what his stats are, 
but he comes in and he's 

519
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,500
chucking the ball. 
It's like he looks like he has a

520
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:21,400
better arm than Macaulay. 
I don't think that can be the 

521
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,600
case, based on the way. 
They were ranked in high school 

522
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,300
but people who actually watch 
them. 

523
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:29,900
But yeah, like it's that idea of
a What are we what kind of 

524
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:32,700
offense re putting together here
to get this done? 

525
00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:36,400
And then also like just the 
drive chart by the way. 

526
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:40,200
Great ironically Grumble had 
worse High School stats. 

527
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,400
If I'm reading this correctly 
his I think it was his junior 

528
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,100
year he threw for 100 or excuse 
me 1228 yards, four touchdowns 

529
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:51,900
passing 13 interceptions. 
But six rushing touchdowns 

530
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:54,600
anyway go ahead one and that's 
the thing. 

531
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,400
It's McCulley comes in as this 
highly way to recruit, he 

532
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,800
obviously through a bunch of 
Passes. 

533
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,000
Like I've said this a bunch of 
times in spot. 

534
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,200
I understand college is faster 
than high school, but other 

535
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,900
teams have other quarterbacks 
that are well regarded that are 

536
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:11,700
able to make this transition to.
Like at least throw more than 15

537
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:15,600
yards, a game like they're able 
to at least put together an 

538
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,500
offense that suits their 
quarterback. 

539
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,500
Even if they are true freshman, 
we're not the first University 

540
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:23,100
to ever put a true freshman out 
there to Miley quarterback and 

541
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:25,500
we're also how they. 
Yeah, we're also not the first 

542
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:27,400
University to have injury 
issues. 

543
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,900
I mean this is This is the thing
that I keep, that gives 

544
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:34,600
frustrates me so much is yes. 
There have been injury issues 

545
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,300
and yes you could certainly even
say that penix coming into the 

546
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:41,200
season. 
Being injured was an indie was 

547
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:45,500
an injury issue that this team 
has had to deal with but I'd 

548
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:49,000
like to note a couple of things.
I was talking with some folks 

549
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,100
about this yesterday. 
Remember the beginning of the 

550
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:56,300
season, one of the reasons why 
people were so excited about 

551
00:28:56,300 --> 00:29:02,300
Indiana, was the amount of 
content that was coming out 

552
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:05,300
talking about how good this team
looked on offense, how Michael 

553
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:08,400
penix had never looked better. 
You know, the receivers had 

554
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,500
talked about that a Big Ten 
media day. 

555
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:13,300
We got no indications from the 
coaching to the coaching staff 

556
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:16,200
named him the starter like a 
couple of weeks before the 

557
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,800
season started. 
There was no indication that 

558
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,500
there were any injury issues and
Tinley, he looked mentally 

559
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,900
fragile in that game versus Iowa
but the larger issue was that 

560
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:31,100
the offense looked terrible and 
so it feels like to some degree.

561
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:34,500
Yes, I know, DJ Matthews went 
out injured, but the offensive 

562
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:38,500
line hasn't had any major 
injuries that have completely 

563
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:40,300
changed the way that it does 
business. 

564
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:44,000
You know, you had a running back
group that looked fairly strong 

565
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,200
coming into the year and you 
have wide receivers. 

566
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,400
One was an All-American 
candidate, you had other wide 

567
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,900
receivers that had shown some 
promise. 

568
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,900
It's it's all part of the same 
thing and now we're talking 

569
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:59,600
about McCulley not doing this or
not doing that, it's the system,

570
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,000
it's not the pieces because 
we've changed a lot of the 

571
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,300
pieces and the system is still 
crap. 

572
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:08,200
The thing about this system I'll
say is, you've seen this in a 

573
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,200
couple of games. 
They have their first drive 14 

574
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,500
plays six minute drive for 92 
yards results in a touchdown 

575
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,100
they have their final two drives
of the of the game nine plays 

576
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,600
for 29 yards but it's Drive not 
bad. 

577
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,800
Then a seven play drive for 
three minutes and they score a 

578
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,200
touchdown. 
They're doing things in those 

579
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,800
bookend drives that you don't 
see the rest of the game. 

580
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,800
You saw us against Michigan. 
You solving its Maryland. 

581
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,100
It's like, they have these 
couple of drives like, oh, there

582
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:35,200
we go, like oh we're throwing 
the, we're running plays. 

583
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,700
Like let's do more of that and 
then we don't. 

584
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,700
And then so I between our first 
drive and our second to last 

585
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:45,600
drive, we had eight possessions 
of those eight drives. 

586
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:49,700
Most of them were like there was
one drive that had more than 

587
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:52,800
three plays. 
That was a six play eight yard 

588
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,800
drive that lasted for three 
minutes. 

589
00:30:54,900 --> 00:31:00,100
We had the ball 23 to 23 minutes
in the game. 12 minutes was 

590
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:02,100
between those two drive. 
You take out the six minute 

591
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:03,500
drive. 
The through the two minute and 

592
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:05,900
30 minute drive of the end of 
the games, we had the ball for 

593
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:10,000
11 minutes, we had eight drives,
only one was more than three 

594
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,800
plays and that somehow we had a 
six play drive that at eight 

595
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,400
yards. 
If that, that was the one drive 

596
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,100
that we had six towns, only got 
eight yards. 

597
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:20,700
Like and this is what's 
insanely. 

598
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,100
Eating is to me, it's like, you 
have to pin this on the coaching

599
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:27,100
staff because you will see them 
come out and run these drives 

600
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:28,800
where they're playing, they're 
running plays. 

601
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,000
You haven't seen all gave and 
it's working and they're moving 

602
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,200
the ball and then they'll come 
out and do five straight drives 

603
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,300
of rpos, run up the middle and 
just doing shit that isn't 

604
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:40,400
working. 
And that's, that's the really 

605
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,500
frustrating part is again. 
I didn't play at this level. 

606
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:46,600
I didn't coach this level, but I
can see things that work. 

607
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,100
I can see things that don't and 
it seems like we do the things 

608
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,600
that don't work. 
Percent of the time. 

609
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,900
Yeah. 
And look there's not a whole lot

610
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:57,500
else to say about the game. 
It's the same story you've seen 

611
00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:00,400
over and over again, what I'm 
curious to ask you, you were 

612
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,200
there. 
I was there. 

613
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,600
What was the, you know, I saw a 
couple of crowd shots when they 

614
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,800
were punting. 
Like, what was the? 

615
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,900
I don't want to get into crowd 
at all. 

616
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,500
That, that was I'm curious. 
What was the the tenor of the 

617
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:13,000
fan base there? 
Like the enthusiasm, like what 

618
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,200
was it like to be there? 
Well, I mean, people were 

619
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,900
excited on that first exchange. 
They were excited about the 

620
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:20,600
goal. 
Line stand wasn't pure. 

621
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,000
We a goal-line stand, but the 
Red Zone stand and they were 

622
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,300
excited when the good team of 
the ball down the field, and I 

623
00:32:25,308 --> 00:32:27,100
think there was a cautious 
optimism. 

624
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:31,400
And then, you know, Minnesota 
went down and scored. 

625
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,900
And that wasn't that much of a 
surprise and then things just 

626
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:37,600
settled, I think back into the 
the same stance that most of us 

627
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,700
have gotten used to, when you're
in the stands, where it's like, 

628
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:41,800
well, we're just waiting for the
Anvil to drop and the Anvil 

629
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,000
dropped on that interception, 
you know, with the return. 

630
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,400
And then the couple of plays 
that got Minnesota, the 

631
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,400
touchdown, it's like, oh boy, 
here we go. 

632
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,800
That's So, it was not, it wasn't
a hostile crowd. 

633
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,300
It was, it was a crowd, I think 
that was there. 

634
00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:58,700
And, you know, the people that 
decided to show up and that 

635
00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:01,300
there were, it wasn't the worst 
IU crowd I've ever seen. 

636
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,500
Like, some of those mid-2000s 
crowds were significantly, worse

637
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,300
than this one. 
It was one of those. 

638
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:08,200
Probably Twenty Eight. 
Twenty nine thousand people in 

639
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,500
the actual building, but it was 
just, I think the people that 

640
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,200
were there, really wanted to 
celebrate the seniors. 

641
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,500
Really were hoping that I you in
their last home game in the 

642
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:24,000
season that started off Off with
such promise, was going to maybe

643
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:29,100
muster something from the depths
that would lead them to being 

644
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:33,500
able to succeed at a higher 
level and it just it was clear 

645
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:35,600
relatively quickly that that 
wasn't going to happen. 

646
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,300
And any chance that it might 
happen was doused pretty quickly

647
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:40,800
at the beginning of the second 
half. 

648
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,900
So it was just really more 
disappointment than anything 

649
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:44,300
else. 
I know, I talked to a lot of 

650
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:47,600
people in the tailgate lots and 
it was just, it's largely just 

651
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,300
kind of not confusion, because I
think everybody, Dan's what's 

652
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:53,400
going on. 
But it was more just like a 

653
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,800
resignation, like gosh, I can't 
believe this happened, and it's 

654
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,400
hard to reconcile the optimism 
in the excitement that existed 

655
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,600
at the beginning of this season.
With that atmosphere of 

656
00:34:04,608 --> 00:34:08,300
resignation, you and I know that
atmosphere of resignation among 

657
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:11,699
the IU fanbase. 
It's, it's essentially the 

658
00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:17,199
standard mentality that I you 
football has generated and its 

659
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,900
fans for many years. 
But it was, I think heightened 

660
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:23,699
by the The fact that there were 
so many expectations and I think

661
00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:26,500
there's just some confusion 
about how it got so bad, so 

662
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:29,699
quickly with this IU team and 
you know, I mean, I'm reading a 

663
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:32,800
lot into what I felt people were
looking at, but that's how it 

664
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,600
felt throughout most of the 
pregame and certainly for the 

665
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,199
game as well. 
One more thought on just the 

666
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,000
expectations coming in, you 
know, and this is again, the 

667
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,300
other frustrating part for me, 
is we've stacked three or four 

668
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,000
really good recruiting classes. 
For I you back to back to back 

669
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,900
and like, this is always. 
We talk about like what It's 

670
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:53,500
Ohio State. 
Different is like when you know,

671
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:55,800
when their version of Taiwan, 
Mullen goes out, they have 

672
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,200
another Taiwan Mullen just come 
in like, hey, we got another 

673
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,200
five-star at safety like, what 
do you know it sucks to be us? 

674
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:04,700
You know, it felt like we were 
not going to be at that level, 

675
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:08,700
but it did feel that like we had
built a better base underneath 

676
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:11,700
the the crust so to speak. 
That have guys went down, or 

677
00:35:11,707 --> 00:35:15,200
guys got tired. 
You would have at least a you 

678
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,500
wouldn't suddenly dropped like, 
you know, out of power, 5 level 

679
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:22,000
players like you actually She 
would be able to compete at that

680
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,600
level against the Rutgers 
Maryland's. 

681
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Minnesota's, that's the other 
frustrating part where this 

682
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,800
year, when you talk about 
injuries, I guess we've had a 

683
00:35:27,808 --> 00:35:31,500
couple injuries, but it feels 
like we've lost the, you know, 

684
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:33,100
you lose Taiwan moments like. 
All right. 

685
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:35,300
We have no one, no one who could
even play at a high level. 

686
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:37,500
That it's like how have we gone?
Three straight recruiting 

687
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:41,200
classes and we don't have 
anybody who's even like showing 

688
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,700
glimpses of lykos freshman, 
looks like he can play like and 

689
00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:45,500
McCully. 
Again I hate he's another 

690
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:49,600
example where it's like he's he 
looks unplayable and I don't 

691
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,600
think it's him and It's like, 
where's the development? 

692
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,900
Like how on all levels that we 
lose our number one, starter at 

693
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:57,300
everything? 
And then it's like, we're just 

694
00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:00,700
we're done at that position. 
It's well, doesn't make any 

695
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:02,700
sense, that's that's kind of 
what I was getting at earlier 

696
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:06,700
with the system comments. 
I mean, it's it because I really

697
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,800
I don't think that I think 
there's a combination of things 

698
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,900
I think earlier, on, in the 
season There was, at least some 

699
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:19,800
residual idea of how to 
effectively play in these 

700
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,400
systems, regardless of, who was 
out there, and that is gradually

701
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,400
devolved. 
And I think a lot of it. 

702
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,100
I mean, it's just scouting by 
opposition. 

703
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:31,500
Like, the few things that I, you
was doing well, or on tape, 

704
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,400
they've gotten figured out and 
now when I you goes to do them, 

705
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,200
everybody knows, I mean, it was,
it was clear on so many of those

706
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,800
offensive plays and this was 
happening in game when, you 

707
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,500
know, the Minnesota was confused
on the early running plays. 

708
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:48,800
Because Indiana was doing things
that we hadn't seen them. 

709
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,000
Do the coaching staff looked at 
it. 

710
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,900
I will idea. 
They looked at it they said, oh,

711
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:57,400
I bet Indiana's gonna do exactly
this on the next drive and they 

712
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,500
did and you go back. 
And you think about the that 

713
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:05,500
second drive that Indiana had, 
you know, they they tried a, you

714
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:08,300
know, McCully ran to the right. 
I think it was the right, 46 

715
00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:10,800
yards. 
So it's second and four. 

716
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:16,200
Then they try to run Poindexter.
And he gains our yard and then 

717
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,600
they try to run Poindexter again
and he gains a yard and that's 

718
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,600
it. 
And then you go to the next 

719
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,700
drive that Indiana has and they 
do now, it's a tie game, they 

720
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,600
run McCully, 43 yards, and who 
knows, maybe it was supposed to 

721
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,900
be a design run, maybe it was 
supposed to be an RPO. 

722
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,400
Then the second Drive, McCully 
does something we've already 

723
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,100
seen and the Minnesota defense 
is like, wait, we know about 

724
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:38,500
this. 
We're going to snap this out and

725
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:40,300
they did and they tackle 
McCulley behind the line of 

726
00:37:40,308 --> 00:37:43,000
scrimmage. 
And then on another what I 

727
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,200
assumed, Supposed to be our PO 
on a third and 10. 

728
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,500
I think that was the player. 
Mcculley's rolling out to the 

729
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,000
right and I was herb Minnesota's
right there. 

730
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,300
I said Iowa because the same 
thing happened to the Iowa game.

731
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:56,100
It was like, this is the issue, 
is that I know you get past it 

732
00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:58,300
from quarterbacks different 
teams and get past those 

733
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:02,900
scripted plays. 
And suddenly you've got a grill,

734
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:04,900
clear sense of what Indiana's 
plan is going to be. 

735
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:07,000
And there is no plan B. 
There is no. 

736
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:08,700
Oh, here's the other bag of 
tricks. 

737
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:11,500
We're going to reach into and 
you know, I watch college 

738
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:16,700
football enough that most teams 
are planning three or four games

739
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:20,400
ahead, they're executing things 
in ways where there's at least 

740
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,300
some misdirection and to go back
to something. 

741
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:28,700
You said earlier, there is such 
little Subterfuge with this IU 

742
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:32,200
team, they are so reliant. 
On asking somebody else to tell 

743
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,000
them what to do on things. 
And there's there doesn't seem 

744
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
to be a decision tree other than
do this. 

745
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,100
And if this doesn't work do 
this, they don't you go back to 

746
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:43,100
the Kevin Wilson Arrow. 
We were sometimes critical of 

747
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:47,100
Wilson's, they would constantly 
be looking at the sidelines and 

748
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:52,600
and but when they did run plays,
they had a pretty good sense of 

749
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,500
where they were supposed to go 
if this happened or where 

750
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:57,800
they're supposed to go. 
Oh, if this happened and none of

751
00:38:57,808 --> 00:39:00,600
that seems to be existent now. 
And even if it was a little bit 

752
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,400
earlier on in the season, it's 
been snuffed out because 

753
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,300
opposing defenses, have watched 
film and know exactly what I use

754
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:10,600
doing, and it's very 
frustrating. 

755
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:14,100
It's gotten less frustrating 
because it's just something that

756
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:15,900
we assume is going to happen 
now. 

757
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:19,000
But it is still o straights how 
bad like how inadequate this 

758
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,300
offensive scheme is. 
And they'll, you know, the yes 

759
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:25,200
you've had Personnel, leave or 
you've had Personnel, get 

760
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,300
injured. 
But that calls up a whole nother

761
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:29,200
set of questions. 
I don't. 

762
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,100
Look at those as excuses for the
offense. 

763
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:33,300
I look at that. 
And I say, why? 

764
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:36,700
Like, you look at the running 
back room. 

765
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:37,700
Yes, you lose. 
Stephen. 

766
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:42,500
Carr, Stephen Carr. 
Was not that effective when he 

767
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:45,900
was in the games. 
Like he had one really good game

768
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:48,900
in that, Maryland game. 
And the rest of the time, he 

769
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:50,200
wasn't running for a lot of 
yards. 

770
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,200
He was constantly struggling to 
get even back to the line of 

771
00:39:52,207 --> 00:39:54,200
scrimmage in. 
A lot of cases, you have a 

772
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,200
receiving Corps that as we have 
covered Ad. 

773
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Nauseam has looked completely. 
Impotent, has looked incapable 

774
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,100
of getting open, has looked 
incapable of doing things. 

775
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:06,700
When they do get open, you that 
quarterbacks, whether it's any 

776
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:09,000
of the four quarterbacks that 
have been out there for, I you 

777
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,200
that have not been able to get 
the bowl. 

778
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:12,900
All to those receivers any of 
it, an offensive line that's 

779
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:15,500
been incapable of walking, any 
of the plays that I just 

780
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:19,300
described that. 
So your question about like, why

781
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:22,000
is there such a big drop off? 
Again, I think comes back to 

782
00:40:22,008 --> 00:40:26,200
this the basic issue of the 
offense that these players are 

783
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,900
playing in is not working. 
Now defensively, I think it's a 

784
00:40:28,908 --> 00:40:32,200
little bit of a different story 
because I think that the defense

785
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,200
that's where the injuries to me 
have really hurt throughout the 

786
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,000
course of the game. 
You know, you don't have a whole

787
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,300
host of players in this game. 
You know, you lose Josh 

788
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:43,800
sanguinetti, do an injury on top
of all the other people that 

789
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,300
you've lost you lost. 
You lost cam Jones for a couple 

790
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:50,000
of possessions because of an 
injury. 

791
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,900
I mean there were other injuries
that popped up that defense has 

792
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:56,800
shown an individual ability to 
turn it on. 

793
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,300
They obviously did so on that 
first drive. 

794
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:02,600
But they, that is where I think 
the lack of depth has hurt. 

795
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,700
And I also think that that's 
where the mentality issues that 

796
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:11,200
this team has had have really 
shine through and And frankly, 

797
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,000
you know this also has shaded 
over into special teams, you 

798
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,500
know, the offense has been so 
bad that we've to some degree 

799
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:20,800
ignored how bad the special 
teams have been this year. 

800
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,800
You know, the field goal kicking
has been okay. 

801
00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:25,800
The punting game has not been 
particularly good, the return 

802
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,400
games have been non-existent. 
I mean, the it's like we there's

803
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,000
not even a thought about 
returning kicks. 

804
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,600
There's, you know, part Returns 
the rare times that we've seen 

805
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,000
punts over the course of the 
last several games. 

806
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,300
Have been non-threatening by and
large. 

807
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:44,300
We should we just go for the 
block and they even have a guy 

808
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:48,500
to return and you know so 
there's it's really it's easy to

809
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:52,000
pin it all on the offense but 
it's been a systems failure in 

810
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,700
other areas as well. 
And look these things do tend to

811
00:41:55,707 --> 00:41:59,100
snowball, you do get two 
situations where things start to

812
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:01,300
go badly and then everything 
starts to go badly. 

813
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:05,900
So it is it's hard to separate 
what was bad strategy and what 

814
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:09,700
was bad coaching versus what was
just the cumulative effects of 

815
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:11,900
losing. 
Going and getting your brains 

816
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:14,500
bashed in on a regular basis. 
You know, after a while that 

817
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:18,000
does have an overwhelmingly 
negative effect on the mentality

818
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,300
of the guys playing. 
But but it just drives home. 

819
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:26,600
The larger point that what we've
watched here is a disintegration

820
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:30,200
of this Indiana football team, 
like it's hard to reconcile. 

821
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:32,700
And that we had a question on 
this in the pregame show for 

822
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,300
this game. 
It's hard to reconcile the team 

823
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,900
that fought back against Ohio 
State last year. 

824
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,600
And made that a game and made 
Ohio State nervous. 

825
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,500
Even if he'll never admit it, 
it's hard to reconcile that team

826
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:49,900
with the team that has been on 
the field at home. 

827
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,300
The last couple of weeks like 
they don't even look like 

828
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:56,400
they're in the same division as 
each other and to me that's 

829
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,500
become the much larger concern. 
Yes, they lost to Minnesota. 

830
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:03,400
Yes, they played really poorly 
Minnesota was the superior team.

831
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:09,000
But what happened to Indiana 
football between last November 

832
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:11,700
and this? 
Burr is something we really need

833
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:15,000
to learn more about because it's
it's it's troubling at this 

834
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,700
point like I'm like to the point
that you know for a while I'm 

835
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:20,700
thinking well they're just going
to lose all of the good game. 

836
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:22,800
The team's the games against 
good teams that they're playing 

837
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,500
this year. 
Now they've gotten blown out at 

838
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:26,600
home by Rutgers. 
They've gotten blown out at home

839
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,800
by Minnesota. 
You would be foolish not to 

840
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,900
assume that they're going to get
blown out on the road against a 

841
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:32,900
Purdue team that still has an 
outside chance of going to the 

842
00:43:32,908 --> 00:43:38,300
Big Ten title game. 
How does that carry over in the 

843
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:40,700
next year? 
Like, how like this is? 

844
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:42,400
Is this, the Now, The New 
Normal? 

845
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:45,700
Because I'm and this is where, 
who knows? 

846
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:48,200
Like maybe this is just a bad 
dream and Indiana wakes up from 

847
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,300
in the offseason. 
But we, this, this, this feels 

848
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:55,800
like it's gotten significantly 
worse than just a team with a 

849
00:43:55,808 --> 00:43:59,700
lot of injuries playing against 
a lot of top level competition. 

850
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,400
It feels like when you look at 
the players and you look at the 

851
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,900
scheme and you look at the, the 
whole package of IU. 

852
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:10,600
Football, it's hard to see where
this gets better in the 

853
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,000
offseason. 
Like, who would you point to and

854
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,600
say that's a building block? 
The Indiana is going to be able 

855
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,300
to utilize going into next year 
because the few guys who you 

856
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:22,800
could point out for that, like, 
Mike McFadden, for instance. 

857
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,800
So I think has been doing 
amazing work with despite not a 

858
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,000
lot around him. 
Like, I sincerely doubt. 

859
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,400
We'll see, Mike McFadden and I 
you uniform again, because 

860
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,900
that's a guy that could could go
get drafted. 

861
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:38,700
You take those types of players 
out of the equation, what are 

862
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:40,800
you looking at in a positive 
way? 

863
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:44,400
Moving forward for this IU team,
I mean, so this is your fault. 

864
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,600
You're making me talk about the 
future. 

865
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,800
Normally, I'm always well mag. 
I never said, look of it. 

866
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,600
The season is over like well and
truly over at this point. 

867
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,700
It's only a matter at this point
of how bad are we made to feel 

868
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:59,600
about this season by what 
happens in the bucket game, you 

869
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:00,900
know? 
So, it's what it's like, are, 

870
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:03,900
you know, are we going to be 
like a 98 out of 100 

871
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:05,900
disappointed or only like an 85 
out of 100? 

872
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:07,400
Disappointed. 
Sorry, go ahead. 

873
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:11,200
No, no, I mean that's again, 
going back to like this is why I

874
00:45:11,207 --> 00:45:15,300
was so annoyed and so angry 
after Maryland and Rutgers is, 

875
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:19,000
you know, we're always led to 
believe I think rightfully so 

876
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,700
that, you know, hey, it's 
important to, you know, have a 

877
00:45:21,707 --> 00:45:24,500
good kind of a good end of the 
season to then roll the next 

878
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:26,800
year that you get to a bowl. 
And they'll that kind of 

879
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,300
positive momentum rolls into 
next year. 

880
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,500
Well, it works both ways like - 
real men team roles as well. 

881
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:35,400
I guess some point you have to 
stop it and this is why to me, 

882
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,500
Marilyn And Rutgers were such 
important games, is those teams 

883
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:42,100
are not bridges too far. 
Like even with injuries 

884
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:45,000
everything we talked about, you 
still, we lost a Maryland by 

885
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,300
three like and I still don't 
think you're 35 points worse 

886
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:51,900
than Rutgers, but those are 
games where I've said a couple 

887
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:53,100
times. 
Like that's where Alan just 

888
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:55,700
needs big look. 
This is where it stops like. 

889
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,500
This is where we draw the line 
and we're going to, at least win

890
00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:02,000
a game this year. 
Like in the Big Ten, it didn't 

891
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,800
happen. 
And I was pissed because now 

892
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,600
it's a slide, the two and two. 
And and now you got to do some 

893
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,600
drastic stuff in the offseason 
to stop this slide because just 

894
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,900
saying, like, oh, like we're 
just gonna, you know, take a 

895
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:15,100
couple weeks off and start up 
again like now, would it be 

896
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,700
great? 
No, because the positive stuff 

897
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,200
rolls over but the native stuff 
rolls over also. 

898
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,200
So you have to make some pretty 
seismic changes and this is 

899
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,900
where I get nervous is that. 
And again this is where I like I

900
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:32,500
want the microtubule to match 
the macro in the micro like 

901
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:35,900
you're going to need Allen to 
sorry in the macro this 

902
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,500
Offseason Allen is going to have
to make some seismic changes 

903
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,200
across a variety of areas, to 
change the direction of where 

904
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,300
this team is going. 
And just the mentality, 

905
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:48,000
everything needs a hard stop and
a hard reset. 

906
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,000
But in the micro you don't even 
see that in games, it's like, 

907
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,700
hey, let's just always says, I 
want to throw more like, well, 

908
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:56,700
then throw more, but then do it.
Like, how about use? 

909
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:59,300
Go out and throw 70 times. 
Like how about you cut our? 

910
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:01,600
Like you said, cut our Po from 
The Playbook. 

911
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,900
Give them a collie. 
An Air Raid Offense. 

912
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:04,600
Like what the hell? 
Like let's just try it. 

913
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,900
Like go out and Bolt. 
Like I was joking but like, hey,

914
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:10,100
don't put a punt returner back, 
just go block the punt. 

915
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,200
Let's just on-site everything, 
like, try something like at 

916
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,000
least show me you care and 
you're trying as opposed to 

917
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,600
like, Hey, we're going to run up
a bit often work. 

918
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:21,600
Oh well like that's what I'm 
very nervous about is our 

919
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,100
approach to the games is very, 
like, let's just continue doing 

920
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,500
what we do, which doesn't work. 
We're going to keep doing it. 

921
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:31,700
You can't keep doing the same 
thing, this offseason, you have 

922
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:36,100
to make some changes. 
So I'm very nervous because You 

923
00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:38,600
know, again this is a coach 
speak thing where it's like all 

924
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,000
positive momentum carries over 
but somehow - momentum doesn't 

925
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,100
like it does and nobody nobody 
listening to this podcast 

926
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:47,900
believes. 
We're going to go in and beat 

927
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:49,500
Purdue. 
I hate say it. 

928
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:53,000
Nobody believes that and the but
it's like let's just say that 

929
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,000
the next you know, hold on real 
quick. 

930
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,900
You know I know there's some 
time in between but you know our

931
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:02,000
next games are in September but 
it's like we're playing North 

932
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,900
Western Idaho, Western Kentucky.
If those games happened. 

933
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,500
In the next three weeks. 
After this, I would assume that 

934
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:10,800
we'd go one and two. 
Maybe beating Idaho. 

935
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,200
Like, I don't know what 
mentality changes between now. 

936
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,700
And next September, besides just
there being more time off. 

937
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,600
So, it's like, you've got to 
find a Line in the Sand and make

938
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,800
a change and just do something 
different. 

939
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,300
I needed myself there because I 
wanted to give you the floor. 

940
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:31,800
But yes, no. 
It's it's there's a lot of Truth

941
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,700
to think to what you say and it 
is I think one of the more 

942
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:38,900
frustrating things and the more 
concerning things is that it 

943
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:42,700
almost feels as if the not just 
the season but the team has 

944
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:48,300
gotten away from Tom Allen here.
And yeah that's it just it feels

945
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:51,200
like there's this tremendous 
disconnect between Allen and the

946
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,400
offense. 
And this is not the first time, 

947
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,200
I mean, we had Would say. 
Significantly milder concerns 

948
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,500
about this when Mike deboard was
the offensive coordinator. 

949
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:02,700
Yeah. 
Where, you know, we remember 

950
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:05,700
those two seasons where there 
were moments where it's like, 

951
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,700
why is Indiana doing what 
they're doing on offense? 

952
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,300
When it seems relatively clear 
to everybody that they should be

953
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,600
making some changes? 
Because those things aren't 

954
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,800
working effectively anymore and 
those changes never got made. 

955
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:23,700
Now, that did eventually after 
the second year, result in Mike 

956
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:26,500
deboard. 
Hiring and no longer being the 

957
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:30,600
offensive coordinator. 
But you know it's just it's so 

958
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:33,600
and this is look, this is not 
something unique to Tom Allen. 

959
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:37,200
You have coaches who are so 
focused on one side of the ball 

960
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,100
and they basically hire a chief 
operations officer for the 

961
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:45,300
offense and that's their domain.
The problem that you're running 

962
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:48,700
into here is that Mike Devore 
guys are over 30 years old 

963
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:49,600
right? 
Well, yeah. 

964
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:56,200
That's you know, and and it's, 
it's so I've said this before, I

965
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,000
was talking about this with some
people yesterday. 

966
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:03,800
This is one of the three or four
hardest programs to win at in 

967
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:09,200
FBS power 5 football. 
It's like Indiana, Vanderbilt 

968
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,100
Kansas, you could probably throw
like Washington State in there. 

969
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:19,100
I mean, these are very hard 
places to win successfully and, 

970
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,300
you know, the concern with 
Indiana under Allen at the 

971
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:27,700
beginning, Was, here's a coach, 
who's obviously proven himself 

972
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:30,200
as a defensive guy understands 
special teams. 

973
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:33,100
He doesn't seem to have a great 
grasp of offense. 

974
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:38,600
His choice was to go hire a 
relatively old offensive 

975
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,700
coordinator, who had success at 
Tennessee, and it had success a 

976
00:50:41,707 --> 00:50:45,000
little bit at Michigan, and have
been in the game for a while. 

977
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:47,800
And it's like, that's the guy 
who's going to run my offense in

978
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,500
my big shot as of FBS power, 5 
head coach, and it didn't really

979
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:53,100
work. 
I mean, Indiana wasn't 

980
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:55,700
embarrassing in those first. 
Two years. 

981
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:59,400
But Indiana was competent 
enough, that they went into the 

982
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,500
last game of the year in both 
years with the chance to win the

983
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:04,700
game and go to a bowl. 
Now, they didn't do that either 

984
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:06,900
time. 
And we had our frustrations with

985
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:10,800
how the team looked in those 
situations that person leaves. 

986
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,400
He goes out and hires like a 
legitimately good offensive mind

987
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,600
and a legitimately good coach, 
is we've seen with his work at 

988
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,800
Fresno, State and kahlan, Deboer
and suddenly it's like wow 

989
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,000
things look good. 
Make sense. 

990
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,700
Things are moving and That guy 
leaves because he's really good 

991
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:30,200
and he gets a shot of the head 
coaching position and Allen's 

992
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,500
choice at a program. 
Again, that is among the hardest

993
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,500
to win successfully 
inconsistently at in power 5. 

994
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,700
His choice is a guy who's under 
35, who's never been an 

995
00:51:42,700 --> 00:51:49,400
offensive coordinator, who's one
time, running a passing game at 

996
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,000
an FBS program ended in 
disastrous failure, not just 

997
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,500
failure, but does that? 
Aster's failure and a guy who 

998
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,800
yes he was endorsed by the 
previous offensive coordinator. 

999
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:04,900
He had been brought by the 
offensive coordinator, who came 

1000
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:12,900
before that guy had to be 100% 
perfect in his job because so 

1001
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,700
much was at stake for Tom Allen 
for the momentum of the program 

1002
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:16,900
for the recruiting for 
everything. 

1003
00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:19,000
Now, the recruiting has been 
good and I think you have to tip

1004
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,700
your hat a little bit there, but
the actual results have not 

1005
00:52:21,700 --> 00:52:24,300
been. 
And I forget who it was that I 

1006
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:26,000
think it was Mike. 
Ben from the daily Hoosier 

1007
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,800
mention this last year's 
offense, wasn't that great. 

1008
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,400
All things considered, like when
you look at the totality of the 

1009
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,800
season, I think the passing game
ranked in the 90s, it wasn't a 

1010
00:52:35,808 --> 00:52:39,400
particularly great passing game 
and there were as we've talked 

1011
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,800
about on this podcast, if you 
look at the trajectory of that 

1012
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,800
season, when that team played 
poor defense, has or defenses 

1013
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,800
that were discombobulated a bit 
because of covid that offense, 

1014
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,700
played pretty well as the season
went along and they played 

1015
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:53,600
against better defense has. 
And there was more tape on what 

1016
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,000
Indiana was doing that often. 
It's got progressively worse and

1017
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,400
so to kind of go, you know, to 
bring it back to the original 

1018
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,000
item here. 
The way that Alan has structured

1019
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,000
this team is like whoever the 
offensive coordinator is that 

1020
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,200
person is essentially running 
what's going on and it's not 

1021
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,000
working. 
It's and it's not only not 

1022
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,300
working but it has managed to 
drag the momentum of the program

1023
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:22,300
down so badly that it really 
makes you concerned about what 

1024
00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:24,300
the future is. 
Now, I think if you listen to 

1025
00:53:24,308 --> 00:53:27,700
The Press, And yesterday, it 
seems highly unlikely that there

1026
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:30,100
wouldn't be a change at this 
point as much as I've been 

1027
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:31,800
concerned because of the 
rhetoric in the press 

1028
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,700
conference. 
It felt like Alan kind of broke 

1029
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:38,700
yesterday in that press 
conference, which a good but be.

1030
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:42,200
Where is that been? 
Because it's it's this is this 

1031
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,900
was not the first time that 
we've seen this. 

1032
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:47,300
This was essentially the 
culmination of a season of 

1033
00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:50,600
frustration but these Trends 
have been there since the Iowa 

1034
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,700
game. 
I mean, so that's that's where I

1035
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:57,800
keep coming back to now it's a 
bigger issue about the direction

1036
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,400
of the program and what happens 
because as you mentioned you're 

1037
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,200
not gonna be able to fix this 
just by changing the coaching 

1038
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,000
staff. 
You're also going to have to go 

1039
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,600
get players who you can plug in 
at Key spots. 

1040
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,000
And that's, you know, it can 
work. 

1041
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,500
We saw it work to some degree at
Michigan State this year where 

1042
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:22,500
they went out and got 25 
transfers but you you're relying

1043
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:24,600
an awful lot on. 
The idea that people are going 

1044
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,100
to Want to come and play and you
that you're going to be able to 

1045
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:30,600
find somebody who's going to 
inspire folks, to want to come 

1046
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,600
and play here and that you're 
gonna be able to plug those 

1047
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,200
folks in and, you know, maybe 
we're overreacting or maybe 

1048
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,800
we're getting overly concerned, 
but I think a lot of IU fans, 

1049
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,900
feel the same way right now 
where they look at what's 

1050
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:46,200
happened this year and you know,
I don't I don't think the last 

1051
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,100
two years were a fluke. 
I think both of those were 

1052
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:52,500
products of good, they were good
coaching decisions made there 

1053
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:54,500
was good development in certain 
players. 

1054
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:59,000
But as much as I think those two
years weren't flukes, I don't 

1055
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,400
think that this year is 
necessarily a fluke either if 

1056
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,700
that makes any sense. 
Yeah, no it does. 

1057
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:08,500
It makes total sense and this is
this is why it's one of the 

1058
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:13,200
hardest programs to build and 
grow at is you're not afforded 

1059
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,900
the ability to make any 
mistakes. 

1060
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,500
Yeah. 
But you're just not and so one 

1061
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:20,400
bad hire can sync it all. 
And yeah, those last two years 

1062
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:25,200
were not flukes but you're not 
able to build on it as easily. 

1063
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,800
It's always going to be an 
unstable Foundation until you 

1064
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,700
put multiple probably a decade 
of the last two years that we 

1065
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:34,400
had together. 
ER and then you're there, I mean

1066
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,600
that's the difference I think 
about it to with like you know, 

1067
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:43,100
with Indiana basketball as a 
corollary it's like You know 

1068
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:45,900
that they win against st. 
John's. 

1069
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:47,700
They had the other day as like 
that was nice and everything. 

1070
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:49,400
God's great. 
But you know, not even ranked 

1071
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,200
teams like that would have been 
one of the top wins of IU 

1072
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:56,000
football over a six-year period.
Maybe, you know, it'd be like oh

1073
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,000
I remember that like we talked 
about those kinds of winds in 

1074
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,400
football like it's just like how
little it takes for IU 

1075
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,600
basketball, to get back on track
like just a couple of little 

1076
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,600
moves here, it's like you can 
make a ton of mistakes and like 

1077
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,100
you do two things right and 
suddenly you know I you probably

1078
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:12,100
gonna be ranked in the next two 
weeks if they keep on. 

1079
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:15,700
Von winning. 
It's like, it takes a Monumental

1080
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:19,000
effort to get Indiana football 
ranked and it's just like that. 

1081
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,700
Is that the difference is, you 
are like those a costly thing. 

1082
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:24,500
You're moving a battleship, but 
it's just like you're moving an 

1083
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:27,300
aircraft carrier with IU 
football and like it just takes 

1084
00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:30,400
tons of time to get it going. 
But it's like one little mistake

1085
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,200
and yours right off the. 
It's so easy to just back slide 

1086
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,100
right back into it and that is 
that is it in? 

1087
00:56:35,107 --> 00:56:38,700
This is, you know, to me this is
obviously, you know, this is a 

1088
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:42,300
huge offseason for out if he 
can't nail this offense of Or 

1089
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:45,000
higher, right? 
It could be it. 

1090
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:47,200
It's just like he's got to get 
the offense figured out, he's 

1091
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,500
got to get it done. 
And you know, unfortunately this

1092
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:52,000
is where he's probably going to 
have to go against the core, 

1093
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,700
some of what he believes in, 
which is, you know, I've been 

1094
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:57,500
saying this some other people, 
you know, Allen's thing is 

1095
00:56:57,500 --> 00:57:00,000
always been, like, I'm with the 
guys who brought me here, like I

1096
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,300
have my guys and that could end 
up being his real blind spot in 

1097
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:05,700
that. 
There's nothing. 

1098
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,900
I don't want to piss on a kid, 
but it's like, there was nothing

1099
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:12,000
that I saw that penix. 
Looks ready to play at all. 

1100
00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:14,600
All the, well, that's Ali and 
physically, okay, and so it's 

1101
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,700
like to go into this year 
looking at that, like, that's my

1102
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:19,900
starter. 
I wonder like, what were they 

1103
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:22,300
seeing in practice, where they 
giving him the right practice 

1104
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:25,100
situations? 
Or was it just a that's my guy? 

1105
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:27,600
Which I that that wasn't the 
been. 

1106
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,900
So that goes across players and 
coaches, like Alan's going to 

1107
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:33,600
have to go into this offseason 
like you said being like, hey, 

1108
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,800
no, there's no position. 
That's off the table, there's 

1109
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,600
nobody who's earned a spot for 
next year. 

1110
00:57:38,900 --> 00:57:40,900
I'm going to go in the portal 
and we're looking for players 

1111
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:43,100
all across the board. 
And you got to get rid of this. 

1112
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:45,900
That's my guy thing. 
Well you know, I've thought 

1113
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:49,900
about that a lot and because I I
think we've mentioned this on 

1114
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:53,700
the podcast before. 
I don't understand what Indiana 

1115
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:58,000
saw in practice before the 
season that made them think this

1116
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,900
offense was going to be not 
just, okay, but better it and 

1117
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:07,600
the only thing I can think of is
it's possible that they put 

1118
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,800
penix in such low pressure 
situations, you know, with 

1119
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,200
without defense is coming at him
and just concentrated solely on.

1120
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,600
Can the does he have arm 
strength and can he hit his 

1121
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,700
targets that it just made 
everybody? 

1122
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,100
Falsely confident that he was 
going to be able to step out 

1123
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:24,700
there and they built an entire 
offensive scheme whatever or 

1124
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:26,700
whoever or whatever you want to 
call it around. 

1125
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:29,800
The idea that he was going to be
able to come in and make throws 

1126
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:32,300
and that that was going to draw 
defenses off. 

1127
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,400
That was going to allow their 
running game to open up if 

1128
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,500
that's what happened and I don't
know that it did. 

1129
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:39,400
But if that's what happened, 
that is an incredibly naive 

1130
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:46,000
approach to running an offense 
and so that is concerning and I 

1131
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,700
mean and it also goes back to 
the Jack Tuttle thing. 

1132
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,300
Are you know the the times that 
Tuttle is gone in their title as

1133
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:54,600
forced passes. 
He's made some good throws but 

1134
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,300
he's forced passes. 
He's put the ball where it 

1135
00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:01,000
shouldn't be so often that it 
just makes you want to, okay? 

1136
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,600
This was the guy that was your 
primary starter through spring 

1137
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,900
and summer what did you see 
there that made you think that 

1138
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:10,200
this was going to be okay? 
So I do I think you're making 

1139
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,100
some good points and it does 
make me wonder. 

1140
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:16,400
What the evaluative process is 
now. 

1141
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:18,900
I guess the question is, how 
quickly could it get fixed? 

1142
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:20,900
Because with a new offensive 
coordinator? 

1143
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,100
We saw Caitlin Deboer, come in, 
and make immediate impacts in 

1144
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:27,200
terms of the way that he was 
able to structure things and the

1145
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,500
way that Personnel fit together.
So I do think that there is 

1146
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:31,800
hope. 
I'm not saying that it's a 

1147
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,500
hopeless situation, but without 
knowing where that is going 

1148
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:39,300
Direction, Wise, It's hard to 
sit here with one game to go. 

1149
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:42,600
And, you know, right walking 
into West Lafayette with those 

1150
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,100
folks. 
In the position that there and 

1151
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,300
and not feel very pessimistic 
about the future, not the least 

1152
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:50,500
of which you've also got the 
issue of the defense. 

1153
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,900
You look at the number of guys 
who could potentially be leaving

1154
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:58,000
the program just through regular
graduation or or what have you, 

1155
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,100
it does cast a lot of things 
into doubt moving forward. 

1156
01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:05,800
So anyway, the one thing with 
the the the interview process is

1157
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,800
like the positive, this job is. 
You get in the interview you 

1158
01:00:08,808 --> 01:00:11,500
like hey look I'm gonna leave 
you alone as offensive 

1159
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:13,300
coordinator. 
Like look at the last few years 

1160
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:15,000
like that. 
Has the worst offense, the big 

1161
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,300
tail. 
I left him alone, like a, let 

1162
01:00:16,300 --> 01:00:17,700
him run, whatever place you 
wanted to. 

1163
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:20,000
So you can come in and basically
won't talk again. 

1164
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,500
Like you just run your offense, 
do whatever you want. 

1165
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:24,600
Like I'm Gonna Leave You Alone. 
Yeah. 

1166
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:27,200
It's you the game next week. 
Well, hold on. 

1167
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,200
Before we bought the, before we 
get to that, we had a question. 

1168
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,200
I wanted to get to from pit, 
Hoosier one my condolences for 

1169
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,900
having to do a pod after another
blank show you. 

1170
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,400
Thank you. 
Thanks question to come on. 

1171
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,500
Yeah, question to consider 
seeing how Donovan McCully is 

1172
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:43,700
clearly not ready for prime 
time. 

1173
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,300
Time. 
How bad of a decision was it to 

1174
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:48,100
light fire to his red shirt? 
Does anybody think today helped 

1175
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:51,100
him or the program long-term? 
So here's the thing. 

1176
01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:55,800
I would probably plan on 
redshirting McCully next year 

1177
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,400
because I think McCulley 
obviously needs more time to 

1178
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,400
learn passing, you know, and, 
and this is where you can go 

1179
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,600
back and forth about whether the
problem is McCully. 

1180
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:09,500
And I think you're the stats 
that he was able to put up in 

1181
01:01:09,508 --> 01:01:11,700
high school, throwing the ball, 
indicate that he can throw the 

1182
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:13,700
ball. 
Whether it's McCully being able 

1183
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:16,500
to actually physically throw or 
whether it's a scheme situation.

1184
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:20,400
Either way, I think burning the 
red shirt this year. 

1185
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:27,000
Was probably looked at as a 
necessary evil and Alan even 

1186
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,100
acknowledged in the postgame 
press conference. 

1187
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:35,500
That they, they're worried about
him getting bad habits from 

1188
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,700
doing the wrong things out 
there. 

1189
01:01:37,900 --> 01:01:39,900
So I do know that they're 
conscious of it. 

1190
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,400
I don't think it matters much 
one way or the other. 

1191
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,500
I mean if you don't burn 
mcculley's red shirt you have a 

1192
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:48,500
non-scholarship quarterback as 
your starter for the last three 

1193
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:51,600
or four games of the season. 
That's Not ideal. 

1194
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,800
It might be, might result in 
slightly better play but I do 

1195
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,900
understand the philosophy about 
that. 

1196
01:01:57,900 --> 01:02:00,600
And you can always Redshirt 
McCauley next year, which I, if 

1197
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,600
he wants to do that, I think 
would be a good idea. 

1198
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,100
Did it help the program? 
No, I mean, it's a way to try to

1199
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:08,900
get some level of momentum. 
And the idea is, well, as put 

1200
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:11,800
this athlete out there and maybe
he'll be able to do some things 

1201
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,600
that we can't do. 
Now, the flip side of that 

1202
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,000
though Scott is that they look 
like they were trying to get 

1203
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,700
McCulley sent to the hospital 
with some of those play call. 

1204
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,500
I mean and that we were having 
some text threads with various 

1205
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:27,200
people during the game. 
It's like you've got, this is 

1206
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,900
your one scholarship 
quarterback. 

1207
01:02:28,900 --> 01:02:31,500
You're out there playing him and
you just running them directly 

1208
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:36,700
into Defenders, on every single 
play, that didn't seem wise that

1209
01:02:36,700 --> 01:02:40,300
that did concern me and it 
seemed like it seemed desperate 

1210
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:44,700
to a large degree that you, you 
wouldn't design an offense that 

1211
01:02:44,707 --> 01:02:47,300
would get the ball out of his 
hands quickly as opposed to the 

1212
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:50,200
opposite of basically treating 
him like a running back and 

1213
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,600
Allowing him into Defenders on a
regular. 

1214
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,800
I mean, even the touchdown that 
he's scored, was a broken play, 

1215
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,200
that could have eat and that 
resulted in him, getting hit in 

1216
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,200
the helmet, on a targeting call 
that didn't get whistled or 

1217
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:03,100
reviewed. 
Thank you. 

1218
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:05,800
Big ten. 
Your you're sticking up for 

1219
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,200
your, your normal standards of 
IU players, getting hit in the 

1220
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,800
head but it seems exceedingly 
dangerous for a guy that does 

1221
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,600
appear to have a future. 
That does have some talent to 

1222
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,000
put him in that position. 
If you're going to play him, 

1223
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,600
don't endanger him like that. 
I work in sales and a lot of 

1224
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,700
times, if I don't have anything 
going on, like we have your 

1225
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:28,300
qpr's or meetings, like, you 
just start saying stuff. 

1226
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:30,300
And you're like, oh yeah, I'm 
working with this guy, like, you

1227
01:03:30,308 --> 01:03:32,100
just, you kind of say things to 
fill the time. 

1228
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,000
When you hear these talks from 
the coaching staff, it does feel

1229
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,300
like they're just saying things 
to fill the time and get done 

1230
01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:40,300
when it's like, we don't agree 
with you. 

1231
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:42,600
If you had, you had a red shirt,
your it sucks, but it is what it

1232
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:43,800
is. 
But when they're saying, like, 

1233
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,900
we don't want McCully to pick up
bad habits. 

1234
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:48,500
It's like, well, then stop 
running the place where he's 

1235
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:50,700
doing things, you don't want him
to do, like you don't want him 

1236
01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:52,300
to hold. 
Oh, the ball on rpos. 

1237
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,200
So obviously, that's a bad habit
in your mind that you wanted to 

1238
01:03:55,207 --> 01:03:57,900
throw more the stop calling 
rpos, like he's doing the wrong 

1239
01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:01,100
thing and that stop like, yes, 
they're putting him in danger, 

1240
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:03,300
but it's like, I hate to hear 
them say that we don't pick up 

1241
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:06,200
bad habits, like, I will then 
call plays or he's like, he's 

1242
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,300
doing bad habit, things in some 
types of plays and he 

1243
01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:11,800
continually call those plays 
over and over again. 

1244
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:16,000
But no, this is where I would 
like to see more in a perfect 

1245
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,900
world. 
McCully can red shirt next year 

1246
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:20,400
and continue that development. 
Like you said, if he wants to I 

1247
01:04:20,408 --> 01:04:21,800
mean that's That's the tough 
thing. 

1248
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:26,600
From a program perspective is 
it's I think it's a hard a hard 

1249
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,400
pill to swallow for a kid who's 
18 to go from like the hot 

1250
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,400
Prospect to suddenly, I'm a 
starter not a ton of success but

1251
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,800
hey, I started a big 10 game, 
your McCullough. 

1252
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,400
It's like, now in a red shirt 
like that. 

1253
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,800
That's a, that's a tough road to
navigate, you got to work him 

1254
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,200
through that mentally. 
But no, this is where, you know,

1255
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,800
I keep on saying it, like, I go 
back and laugh myself a couple 

1256
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:49,800
weeks ago was like, what are we 
doing? 

1257
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:50,800
Quarterbacks, we're going to get
it. 

1258
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,400
We need to get a transfer, like 
we don't have a suitable 

1259
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,700
quarterback going into next year
and yeah, we're, you know, you 

1260
01:04:55,700 --> 01:04:58,100
don't need to go get Spencer 
rather from Oklahoma, like look 

1261
01:04:58,100 --> 01:05:01,400
at Northwestern, two years ago, 
they took Peyton Ramsey who was,

1262
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,000
you know, I you fans liked him, 
didn't love him. 

1263
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,000
Like, we weren't like, oh my 
God, Ramsey left, the program is

1264
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,400
over and he took him to a Big 
Ten title game. 

1265
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:12,700
So like there are Peyton 
Ramsey's available, this 

1266
01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:16,100
offseason who will come to IU 
and who could play at a good to 

1267
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:18,600
mid-level like Allen has to go, 
do that? 

1268
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:23,000
Like that has to be done. 
God, I can't believe we're 

1269
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,600
having these conversations right
now. 

1270
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,600
You were going to say something.
And I interrupted you before 

1271
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,100
about next week's game, it 
would. 

1272
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,200
Do you remember what that was do
you want to come back? 

1273
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,200
You ready to, you know, I can go
to it. 

1274
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,000
I don't want to get off, Taco, 
I'm done. 

1275
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,300
Well, I don't have anything else
to say on that. 

1276
01:05:35,300 --> 01:05:38,200
Go ahead, please. 
I'm so sad because I bought 

1277
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,900
these beginning of the year, 
this is going to be me and you 

1278
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,300
going to the Purdue game. 
I know I don't have a ton of 

1279
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:46,900
interest to going. 
I'm sure you don't either, but 

1280
01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:50,000
if anybody wants my two tickets 
here, I'm showing them on the 

1281
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:55,100
screen. 
They are Section 103 row, 12 bad

1282
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:58,600
seats, nine and ten. 
Anybody wants them? 

1283
01:05:58,700 --> 01:06:00,800
Just hit us up on Twitter, hit 
up. 

1284
01:06:01,700 --> 01:06:03,900
I check my Twitter more that 
check the Crimson cast some 

1285
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:07,100
time. 
So DM me at Crimson cash, 317, I

1286
01:06:07,100 --> 01:06:10,600
will gladly give him to you. 
Preferably I you fans I'm 

1287
01:06:10,607 --> 01:06:12,500
assuming that a lot of Purdue 
fans listening this, unless 

1288
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:15,800
Gael, you still want to go, you 
know, I think I don't, that's 

1289
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:20,900
gonna be a no, for me, dog. 
So yeah, let's get into the 

1290
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:24,400
listeners. 
This is a, we only do this in 

1291
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,400
two and ten Seasons giving away 
tickets, but, no, anybody wants 

1292
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,300
these tickets, they are yours. 
Just hit us up, hit me up at 

1293
01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:34,700
Crimson cash, 317, and go have 
fun and hopefully you see a 

1294
01:06:34,900 --> 01:06:38,600
program Changing Winds? 
I always joke with IU football. 

1295
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,000
If this has been my joke for 
four years, and this year again,

1296
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,700
it's like I will make one play 
will score a touchdown and like,

1297
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:48,100
all right, when they make the 
movie about this season, this is

1298
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:50,600
what the music swells. 
Like, this is what it starts. 

1299
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,600
So like, Don't think they'll be 
a movie made about this year but

1300
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,000
maybe when they make a movie 
about the Tom Allen experience 

1301
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,800
and that you know, us going to 
Rose Bowls, like this moment, 

1302
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,600
this game. 
Maybe this is where the music 

1303
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,500
swells and it comes together and
it's like we look back and were 

1304
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:06,500
like, damn, that Purdue game is 
when it all turned around how 

1305
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:09,300
things going to happen. 
I also will probably bet I was 

1306
01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:11,800
going to ask you this. 
How many points I want to get 

1307
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,300
into the bedding stuff too much 
here, but I would probably save 

1308
01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:16,800
a line. 
I'm not sure the with the line 

1309
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:18,700
is yet, but I would bet Purdue 
to cover. 

1310
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,200
Probably anything over 24 
points, and it won't be that Hi.

1311
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,600
I don't think I mean, I think 
that the how high would you go 

1312
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,500
to let produce before you don't 
feel comfortable that? 

1313
01:07:28,508 --> 01:07:34,800
Well, here's the thing, I first 
of all I can't believe that you 

1314
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,500
got Minnesota live at minus 15 
and a half yesterday. 

1315
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:42,300
I mean that would you talk about
just free money gets good? 

1316
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:45,700
Lord what was that? 
It was that it 7-7 or 14-7? 

1317
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:50,200
I forget when but the no that 
was that was right after the 

1318
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:51,300
pick-6. 
I was at halftime. 

1319
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:52,100
Oh my God. 
Gosh. 

1320
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:54,200
Yeah. 
I mean it just they were up by 

1321
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,100
14. 
I got Minnesota. 

1322
01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:57,500
Yeah. 
It Minnesota to cover 15 and a 

1323
01:07:57,500 --> 01:07:58,800
half. 
I was like done. 

1324
01:07:58,900 --> 01:07:59,800
Yeah. 
Our friend. 

1325
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:00,900
Our friend. 
I put them. 

1326
01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:03,600
I'm not a huge game and I do a 
gambling so I'm not a huge money

1327
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,500
game. 
I could I put 50 bucks on it? 

1328
01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:07,000
Our friend. 
I'll leave it out. 

1329
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,200
Like he put 500 on it and said 
it's a Texas. 

1330
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,200
Like, you're ten times cooler 
than I am. 

1331
01:08:11,300 --> 01:08:14,300
Yeah, I put 50 bucks on this me 
that's, that's a big bet for me 

1332
01:08:14,300 --> 01:08:16,899
but I was like, yeah, 50 bucks. 
Like, there's Minnesota will 

1333
01:08:16,899 --> 01:08:18,899
score again. 
We're not scoring again. 

1334
01:08:18,899 --> 01:08:22,500
Yeah, I mean, just just wild. 
So I guess, I thought on that 

1335
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:27,700
has basically I bucket games can
be weird, but this seems like a 

1336
01:08:27,707 --> 01:08:30,000
Purdue team that's on a mission 
and it seems like an Indiana 

1337
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,100
team that doesn't want to be on 
the field anymore and I don't 

1338
01:08:33,100 --> 01:08:36,300
blame them for that but that's a
rat real bad recipe. 

1339
01:08:36,899 --> 01:08:40,300
That's like, I think you you had
an initial prediction on our 

1340
01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:43,500
text read yesterday. 
Have like 40 42 13 or something 

1341
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:46,399
like that. 
I think I said like, 62 to 70. 

1342
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,399
It probably won't be 62 27 but 
we've seen bucket games. 

1343
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:51,600
Go, that bad. 
I remember some of those those 

1344
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,100
Killer years when Purdue would 
just come out and just 

1345
01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:58,600
obliterate Indiana. 
I think I would probably go as 

1346
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:04,600
high as like 22 23 because I 
think I'd be I think they'll be 

1347
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,200
value here if you're into the 
wagering thing because for 

1348
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,800
whatever reason there's still 
some kind of belief that Indiana

1349
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,899
has some juice left in it by 
Vegas. 

1350
01:09:15,899 --> 01:09:17,700
I don't know if they're just 
taking advantage of people who 

1351
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:20,700
look for numbers that we go 
beyond a certain point I'm 

1352
01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:22,100
assuming that's what they're 
doing. 

1353
01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:24,899
But yeah, it doesn't it if you 
could probably set the line at 

1354
01:09:24,899 --> 01:09:28,600
30 and I would probably still 
feel comfortable with expecting 

1355
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,899
Purdue to cover at this point. 
And yeah, we'll see, gosh, I 

1356
01:09:31,899 --> 01:09:34,399
hope it's not that bad because 
that's that's the last thing the

1357
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:37,100
program needs right now. 
On top of everything else that's

1358
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:39,899
happened this year. 
So yeah, but I just, I don't 

1359
01:09:39,899 --> 01:09:41,600
know. 
It's worth a point where I'm not

1360
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,800
sure can get any worse. 
Thanks for saying that because 

1361
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,200
you know that will you know 
where that's going anyway. 

1362
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:53,600
So gosh, well we'll be back with
a sure what's worse. 

1363
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,400
Like, hey, we just reciting the 
shared into a five-year locked 

1364
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,200
in extension will be back with a
short preview later on this week

1365
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,000
as will have. 
I don't even know what to say. 

1366
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,900
Like, I ran into this when I was
dealing with the, the preview 

1367
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:09,100
for this Minnesota game. 
I mean, it's like, well, we 

1368
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:13,300
could talk about the game but I 
you really isn't doing anything.

1369
01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:16,200
There's nothing offensively that
there's no tricks to pull out of

1370
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,500
the bag. 
They can't run the ball, they 

1371
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:20,900
can't get the ball to receivers 
and they can't throw the ball 

1372
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,000
and they can't block. 
And the defense Can Only Hold 

1373
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,600
Back The Barbarians for so long.
There's not much analysis there 

1374
01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:30,300
that you can throw into the 
equation. 

1375
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:35,300
So I don't know exactly what 
we'll talk about in the Purdue 

1376
01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:37,400
preview, but we will have a 
Purdue preview because we got to

1377
01:10:37,407 --> 01:10:39,700
finish this season out. 
And then, of course, we'll have 

1378
01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:42,800
our recap show. 
We might do our recap show that 

1379
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,900
evening. 
We'll check it. 

1380
01:10:44,900 --> 01:10:46,600
I could bang it out. 
We're not just taking back 

1381
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,600
Sunday. 
We're taking back the off season

1382
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,800
at that point. 
Yeah but we'll figure something 

1383
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,200
out anyway. 
So stay tuned here and please 

1384
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,700
stay tuned to Crimson cast will 
have some basketball talk coming

1385
01:10:56,700 --> 01:11:00,700
up early this upcoming week as 
Indiana in action tonight 

1386
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:04,400
against Louisiana and then we 
play in a couple of games this 

1387
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,300
upcoming week for Thanksgiving. 
So thanks, all you folks for 

1388
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:08,700
listening. 
I didn't think we'd go an hour 

1389
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:13,300
and ten minutes on this, but we 
did and hopefully it was of some

1390
01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:16,000
you Used to those of you out 
there who are still sticking 

1391
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,900
with, loosening the IU football 
podcast, and trying to 

1392
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:20,400
contemplate, what's going on 
with the season. 

1393
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,100
But thanks to home field 
apparel. 

1394
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:26,200
Thanks to the power rank. 
Thanks to dark canvas designs. 

1395
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,100
And be sure to check out our 
brethren in the back home, 

1396
01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:33,400
network over at assembly call, 
as they'll be recapping the game

1397
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:37,100
tonight as it happens. 
And then obviously they'll have 

1398
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:39,400
assembly called radio coming up 
sometime this week, probably not

1399
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,900
Thursday since that is 
Thanksgiving, but they'll be 

1400
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:43,400
back sometime during this week 
anyway. 

1401
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:45,400
For Scott, I'm Galen, this is 
Crimson cast. 

1402
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,500
Thank you again for sticking 
with us throughout the course of

1403
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:52,200
the Season, we will catch you 
folks on the flip side, bring 

1404
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:53,700
back the Bison. 
So long, everybody.