1 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,760 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:22,900 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:22,900 --> 00:00:25,380 Galen Clavio, Scott Caulfield joining you. 4 00:00:25,380 --> 00:00:27,500 Happy Friday. We don't pot that much on 5 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:29,580 Fridays. Scott This is a nice change of 6 00:00:29,580 --> 00:00:31,020 pace. It's nice. 7 00:00:31,060 --> 00:00:32,740 Kind of end of the week on a on a high note. 8 00:00:32,780 --> 00:00:35,300 Yeah. Little Friday news dump for 9 00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:39,740 everybody. Between the news the hot yes the 10 00:00:39,820 --> 00:00:44,650 the between the news of I U naming their permanent offensive 11 00:00:44,650 --> 00:00:47,930 coordinator and also the Indiana Kentucky series and basketball 12 00:00:47,930 --> 00:00:49,570 coming back. 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But there was a another big 89 00:04:34,990 --> 00:04:38,190 story that came out earlier in the week that we wanted to talk 90 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:40,190 about as well. On the basketball side of 91 00:04:40,190 --> 00:04:42,110 things, there's really a couple of stories. 92 00:04:42,110 --> 00:04:45,430 Is it there's a, there's the television component, which I 93 00:04:45,430 --> 00:04:48,750 want to touch on as well. But the big news is that the I U 94 00:04:48,750 --> 00:04:54,190 Kentucky series is coming back. A4 game series was announced 95 00:04:54,390 --> 00:04:59,350 with Indiana hosting one game in Bloomington, IN hosting another 96 00:04:59,350 --> 00:05:04,270 game at Lucas Oil Stadium, and then Kentucky hosting 2 games at 97 00:05:04,270 --> 00:05:07,670 Rupp Arena. This series is a little bit in 98 00:05:07,670 --> 00:05:09,870 the future. As you know. 99 00:05:09,870 --> 00:05:14,670 The announcement was that the series was going to resume in, 100 00:05:14,910 --> 00:05:19,510 what was it, 2025? So we still got a couple of of, 101 00:05:20,390 --> 00:05:23,390 or at least one season of waiting, maybe two. 102 00:05:23,390 --> 00:05:25,390 I think it's probably going to be two because I think it's 103 00:05:25,390 --> 00:05:31,350 2526, but that's, you know, still it's cool to hear. 104 00:05:31,590 --> 00:05:35,350 And yes, indeed it is the 2526 season that it will resume. 105 00:05:35,350 --> 00:05:38,590 And so you're talking about not this season, not next season, 106 00:05:38,870 --> 00:05:44,190 but the season afterwards. And Scott, we've heard people, 107 00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:47,670 you know, begging Dick Vitale, you know, finally lived to see 108 00:05:47,670 --> 00:05:49,550 the day where this series is back. 109 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:51,790 He can stop tweeting about it now, which is great. 110 00:05:53,410 --> 00:05:56,130 These teams haven't played in the regular season since, of 111 00:05:56,130 --> 00:05:59,970 course, December of 2011, when Indiana, of course we know what 112 00:05:59,970 --> 00:06:00,770 Indiana did. We're not. 113 00:06:00,770 --> 00:06:02,130 We don't have to mention it again here. 114 00:06:02,170 --> 00:06:05,450 They obviously played once in the postseason in 2016. 115 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:09,490 Indiana won that as well. You're what? 116 00:06:10,130 --> 00:06:11,650 Oh, no. They played in the postseason 117 00:06:11,650 --> 00:06:12,770 twice. They played in the postseason 118 00:06:12,770 --> 00:06:15,330 after the like they played in the postseason twice since that 119 00:06:15,450 --> 00:06:16,850 regular season game. Yes. 120 00:06:16,850 --> 00:06:18,930 Yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, that you are correct. 121 00:06:19,450 --> 00:06:22,010 But your thoughts overall on the series coming back? 122 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,520 It's all, I mean I wish you would have had a series with 123 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,320 Louisville and I'm kidding. It's great picked up here. 124 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:30,520 Louisville made more Missouri games. 125 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,840 No it this is, this is absolutely fantastic. 126 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:36,240 Like this needs to happen. I know that the Dick Vitale 127 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,800 thing does get a little Mimi, but it it's true like this is 128 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,440 where you know for for 10 years the series isn't happening. 129 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,160 And then of course ESPN has their own reasons for doing it. 130 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,000 But it's like all you hear about is, you know, Duke, North 131 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,540 Carolina, this. Duke, North Carolina, that it's 132 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:55,220 like this is one of the key rivalries in college basketball. 133 00:06:55,220 --> 00:06:59,140 It should be happening. I remember vividly with my dad 134 00:06:59,180 --> 00:07:02,980 year after year, unfortunately a lot of losses but driving down 135 00:07:02,980 --> 00:07:04,900 to Freedom Hall to watch the game. 136 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:07,420 We go to the RCA Dome to watch the game. 137 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:11,380 And while I do like it on campus, I I've always loved the 138 00:07:11,380 --> 00:07:14,780 neutral site games against Kentucky where it's blue on 1/2, 139 00:07:14,780 --> 00:07:17,900 red on the other. You know the the thing that 140 00:07:18,060 --> 00:07:20,580 obviously you know the. Most people listen to this 141 00:07:20,580 --> 00:07:23,500 podcast, No I U Basketball and care about it. 142 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:27,300 But I think for those who aren't initiated into it, like, you 143 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:30,220 know, the other piece is unlike a lot of these other rivalries, 144 00:07:30,220 --> 00:07:33,180 like at the high school level, the Indiana, Kentucky high 145 00:07:33,180 --> 00:07:35,260 school basketball game is a big deal. 146 00:07:35,380 --> 00:07:37,860 Like having the Mr. Basketball, Indiana play, the Mr. Kentucky 147 00:07:37,860 --> 00:07:39,780 Basketball. Like that's a big deal. 148 00:07:39,780 --> 00:07:42,660 Like this is something that starts young, starts in high 149 00:07:42,660 --> 00:07:45,180 school. It's so nice to have. 150 00:07:45,420 --> 00:07:48,900 So there's really nothing. I mean, but I want to talk about 151 00:07:48,900 --> 00:07:49,540 the. Rights. 152 00:07:49,540 --> 00:07:54,060 I think it does kind of give credence to what always seemed 153 00:07:54,060 --> 00:07:58,420 like that the the the games kind of broke apart because COW or 154 00:07:58,420 --> 00:08:02,220 Kentucky didn't want to play home games or play an Assembly 155 00:08:02,220 --> 00:08:03,900 Hall. That kind of was like an urban 156 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,380 legend, which I thought was true. 157 00:08:05,380 --> 00:08:07,780 But the way this broke out, it definitely feels that way. 158 00:08:07,780 --> 00:08:11,180 But on the surface I mean this is this is great for Indiana. 159 00:08:11,180 --> 00:08:13,580 It's another highlevel opponent. It's great for the area. 160 00:08:13,580 --> 00:08:16,780 It's great for recruiting like they're really is outside of the 161 00:08:16,780 --> 00:08:18,860 fact that we only get one assembly hall. 162 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,440 There's really no way to spin this in a bad way and I'll just 163 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:23,960 finish on this like, you know what? 164 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,920 We'll talk about the sites. But there is a world where, you 165 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,440 know, I hate to say it, but you know, Kentucky has been the 166 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,159 better program and there is a part where it's like if one 167 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,760 team's going to have to concede a little bit to get this going, 168 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:36,799 it's going to have to be us and not them. 169 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:39,840 And so I'm happy we did it. And you know what, let's beat 170 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,840 the hell out of them and earn two home games in the next 4 171 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,640 game run. So I hope this just continues, 172 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,120 but no, it's it's there. There's nothing bad and. 173 00:08:48,030 --> 00:08:50,750 Last thing, sorry, last little thing that the marketing 174 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:53,830 department took some heat for the football snapping video and 175 00:08:53,830 --> 00:08:56,750 that's all I'll say they they did release something on 176 00:08:56,750 --> 00:08:59,550 Instagram with like a bread line and a blue line that like 177 00:08:59,550 --> 00:09:02,510 outline the States and have like highlights the games behind it. 178 00:09:03,130 --> 00:09:05,330 Awesome. Like just an awesome awesome 179 00:09:05,490 --> 00:09:08,090 from the I U marketing department and and it shows. 180 00:09:08,090 --> 00:09:10,250 Like this is one that matters and it's funny. 181 00:09:10,570 --> 00:09:13,570 You know for Kentucky fans, I I like kind of hopping on their 182 00:09:13,570 --> 00:09:15,770 blog sometimes and seeing what they say and they're kind, you 183 00:09:15,770 --> 00:09:17,890 know, for them it's like they just want to play the best 184 00:09:17,890 --> 00:09:19,290 opponents. It's kind of like Oh well, I 185 00:09:19,290 --> 00:09:22,210 guess you know we'll give Indiana they they want this. 186 00:09:22,210 --> 00:09:24,730 As much as they may not say, but it's like this matters to them 187 00:09:24,730 --> 00:09:27,610 too. Beating us matters to them more 188 00:09:27,610 --> 00:09:30,010 than sometimes beating like a Michigan State or a Kansas. 189 00:09:30,010 --> 00:09:31,850 Like there really is animosity there. 190 00:09:31,850 --> 00:09:35,030 It's great. And you know it's it's it's all 191 00:09:35,030 --> 00:09:35,750 good. Yes. 192 00:09:36,430 --> 00:09:38,950 Yeah. I mean look, the series should 193 00:09:38,950 --> 00:09:42,110 not have ended, right. And I look, I've always 194 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:46,550 maintained yes, Calipari, certainly I I think he looked at 195 00:09:46,550 --> 00:09:50,230 it and says I have very little to gain and a lot to lose in 196 00:09:50,230 --> 00:09:54,910 this series if I win. Well, I U hasn't been on our 197 00:09:54,910 --> 00:09:58,950 level in a while, which is true. Indiana lost 10:50 games in this 198 00:09:58,950 --> 00:10:04,030 series from the mid 1990s to the the mid 2000s. 199 00:10:04,950 --> 00:10:07,910 You know, and I also think that Calipari probably looked at it 200 00:10:07,910 --> 00:10:12,990 and said, you know, if I lose the game, I get in significant 201 00:10:12,990 --> 00:10:17,070 more trouble than the ratio I would get of of applaud. 202 00:10:17,070 --> 00:10:18,870 It's like we're expected to beat Indiana. 203 00:10:19,390 --> 00:10:21,230 It's not worth the risk of losing. 204 00:10:22,310 --> 00:10:26,430 But I also think look, I, you know, there were I you needed to 205 00:10:26,430 --> 00:10:28,630 be willing to put it into different markers. 206 00:10:28,630 --> 00:10:32,160 I mean, you know, for the longest time this series as you 207 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,560 mentioned was played on neutral courts. 208 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:40,640 You know, you get past 1990 and it was not played in either 209 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:47,160 Assembly Hall or Rupp Arena until 2008, you know, So this 210 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,600 this was a series that for almost 2 decades was a neutral 211 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,280 site showcase. That was always where I 212 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,290 disagreed with the arguments that came out of the I U 213 00:10:56,290 --> 00:10:58,890 athletic department and out of Crane and in particular where 214 00:10:58,890 --> 00:11:00,970 it's like, well, this had to be campus sites that Fred Glass 215 00:11:00,970 --> 00:11:02,530 used to say, as it doesn't have to be campus sites. 216 00:11:02,530 --> 00:11:05,370 It never was, but it was almost a convenient. 217 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:07,720 It was convenient for both parties. 218 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,360 It was convenient for Indiana because Indiana, your cream, 219 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,240 didn't really want Kentucky on their schedule. 220 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,800 I don't think that Archie Miller wanted Kentucky on the schedule 221 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,680 for various reasons. Both of those coaches had a lot 222 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:22,720 of heat on them anyway, and Indiana fans do get mad when 223 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,440 Kentucky constantly beats them. We saw it with Bob Knight. 224 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,870 We saw it with Mike Davis and it had just kind of become so 225 00:11:29,870 --> 00:11:32,590 onesided that I think Indiana, even though they obviously won 226 00:11:32,590 --> 00:11:35,230 the game in 2011 and they won that game in the tournament in 227 00:11:35,230 --> 00:11:41,110 2016, really felt to some degree like, you know, at least their 228 00:11:41,110 --> 00:11:43,910 coaches did, felt like it was more trouble than it was worth. 229 00:11:44,470 --> 00:11:47,790 But it's unfortunate because it is such a good historical 230 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:50,070 measuring stick for both programs. 231 00:11:50,990 --> 00:11:52,550 You know there's there's no question. 232 00:11:52,550 --> 00:11:56,390 Kentucky has certainly had overall the the better of the 233 00:11:56,390 --> 00:11:59,490 series, but it's not by a huge margin. 234 00:11:59,490 --> 00:12:03,170 It's a seven, you know seven wins, 32 to 25 and there have 235 00:12:03,170 --> 00:12:05,770 been stretches where Indiana's been dominant. 236 00:12:05,770 --> 00:12:09,330 You know the the early 1970s Indiana was a pretty dominant 237 00:12:09,330 --> 00:12:13,090 team the you know late 8, mid to 80s to early 90s. 238 00:12:13,090 --> 00:12:16,810 Indiana rattled off more wins than losses in that stretch. 239 00:12:17,490 --> 00:12:20,370 Anyway, I'm I'm just appreciative of Mike Day, of 240 00:12:20,370 --> 00:12:24,470 Mike Woodson. Sorry for saying at the 241 00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:27,950 beginning of his tenure that he wanted this series back and then 242 00:12:27,950 --> 00:12:29,790 figuring out a way to make it happen. 243 00:12:29,950 --> 00:12:34,590 There was a a really nice piece on Eamon Brennan's sub stack 244 00:12:34,870 --> 00:12:37,750 where he talked about, you know, and the title of it is right 245 00:12:37,750 --> 00:12:40,630 there, Indiana versus Kentucky is back because Mike Woodson is 246 00:12:40,630 --> 00:12:43,390 chill. And you pointed out like, yeah, 247 00:12:43,390 --> 00:12:45,470 it would have been nice to have had two home games in 248 00:12:45,470 --> 00:12:48,870 Bloomington and two home games in Rupp Arena or all of them on 249 00:12:48,870 --> 00:12:50,910 neutral sites. And it felt like if you're 250 00:12:50,910 --> 00:12:54,310 looking at it from the outside, perhaps Kentucky got the better 251 00:12:54,510 --> 00:12:56,830 end of the deal and that they get to host it twice. 252 00:12:56,830 --> 00:13:01,790 But frankly, if I'm Woodson and I and Woodson may not even be 253 00:13:01,790 --> 00:13:05,070 here for the entire length of the series because you know, he 254 00:13:05,070 --> 00:13:06,910 might retire at some point, probably will. 255 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:13,030 But my contention with all of these, Scott and and we've seen 256 00:13:13,030 --> 00:13:15,910 the change now with Woodson, is that playing these kinds of 257 00:13:15,910 --> 00:13:18,150 games against the team that's almost always going to be in the 258 00:13:18,150 --> 00:13:21,950 top 20 in Kentucky as a program on the road or on neutral sites. 259 00:13:22,270 --> 00:13:25,070 Doesn't hurt you. It doesn't hurt your tournament 260 00:13:25,070 --> 00:13:28,830 chances. It doesn't hurt your profile. 261 00:13:28,830 --> 00:13:32,030 You go to Kentucky and you lose. That's not going to be a 262 00:13:32,030 --> 00:13:33,630 problem. That's not going to be a problem 263 00:13:33,630 --> 00:13:35,430 on Selection Sunday. It's not going to be a problem 264 00:13:35,430 --> 00:13:40,220 in terms of national reputation and it also helps you to measure 265 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:42,540 yourself against the team that's always got some of the top 266 00:13:42,540 --> 00:13:45,460 basketball players and top athletes in college basketball. 267 00:13:45,460 --> 00:13:49,260 So you know the the argument that it wouldn't be something 268 00:13:49,260 --> 00:13:51,540 that you would want to do. I'd never bought that. 269 00:13:51,540 --> 00:13:54,980 And I think it really does help I you as they climb their way 270 00:13:54,980 --> 00:13:59,270 back up the college basketball ladder, having that series, 271 00:13:59,430 --> 00:14:02,030 getting that Kansas series, that Indiana's playing the second 272 00:14:02,030 --> 00:14:05,270 game of this season. These are the games we've been 273 00:14:05,270 --> 00:14:10,070 asking for since the 80s. And I think for the I U fans 274 00:14:10,070 --> 00:14:12,630 that were like, well, Dawson got job or Woodson shouldn't agree 275 00:14:12,630 --> 00:14:14,910 to the setup. I think you said it perfectly. 276 00:14:15,270 --> 00:14:18,110 Indiana was not in a position to dictate terms. 277 00:14:18,110 --> 00:14:19,990 Even though Kentucky hasn't won titles. 278 00:14:20,270 --> 00:14:24,110 Kentucky's been significantly better at basketball over the 279 00:14:24,110 --> 00:14:28,700 course of the last decade than Indiana has, and I'm glad the 280 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:30,980 series is back. And I'm glad that Woodson was 281 00:14:31,060 --> 00:14:33,980 willing to say, yeah, shit, we'll play them anywhere, which 282 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:36,220 is essentially seems like how it went down. 283 00:14:36,820 --> 00:14:39,860 You look no further than Michigan State in the Big 10 284 00:14:40,100 --> 00:14:42,580 like this is that's a team that has had a lot of success and 285 00:14:42,580 --> 00:14:44,820 they play anybody, anywhere. They'll play on aircraft 286 00:14:44,820 --> 00:14:47,860 carriers like they're just they play a brutal nonconference 287 00:14:47,860 --> 00:14:51,140 schedule it seems like every year and and that's something 288 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:55,420 that we just weren't doing and it's it's as a fan like it it. 289 00:14:55,980 --> 00:14:59,220 It's annoying because it's not preparing us for the tournament, 290 00:14:59,220 --> 00:15:02,540 but it's also just boring that, like for a couple years there 291 00:15:02,540 --> 00:15:03,980 just wasn't a lot of good preseason. 292 00:15:04,060 --> 00:15:05,700 You and I would always kind of go to the best one. 293 00:15:05,700 --> 00:15:06,860 As I remember, one year was like St. 294 00:15:06,860 --> 00:15:07,980 John's. It's like we had St. 295 00:15:07,980 --> 00:15:10,340 John's at home and now look back-to-back years. 296 00:15:10,580 --> 00:15:11,980 You and I went to Vegas last year. 297 00:15:11,980 --> 00:15:13,700 We're both going to New York this year. 298 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:16,100 I'm already excited for the Bahamas next year like we are, 299 00:15:16,460 --> 00:15:19,140 you know, it's kind of like the, you know, this is very like 300 00:15:19,140 --> 00:15:21,940 Oprah S but like, you know, act as if, you know, like just at, 301 00:15:21,940 --> 00:15:24,060 you know, there was a secret. Like, you know, assume it and 302 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:25,740 it'll it'll become true, you know? 303 00:15:25,860 --> 00:15:28,180 This is kind of what Woods is doing with the scheduling is, is 304 00:15:28,180 --> 00:15:29,940 you know I think he came in and said look we're going to our 305 00:15:29,940 --> 00:15:31,820 goals to win a title like whether we get there or not. 306 00:15:31,820 --> 00:15:34,780 But like we're going to act like a program that's trying to do 307 00:15:34,780 --> 00:15:37,380 that. And you know from the scheduling 308 00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:41,060 point of view Woodson just in my mind has to get a pluses across 309 00:15:41,060 --> 00:15:43,780 the board because it's like you you you mentioned the Kansas 310 00:15:43,780 --> 00:15:46,180 series like we're playing you know this Empire classic, we 311 00:15:46,180 --> 00:15:48,580 played Arizona and Awana playing Auburn and a one off. 312 00:15:48,780 --> 00:15:51,340 Both of those were in kind of like unique arenas. 313 00:15:51,740 --> 00:15:54,900 You know, we're doing the. The the Bahamas you know the the 314 00:15:54,980 --> 00:15:57,620 battle for Atlantis. Now we brought Kentucky back on 315 00:15:57,620 --> 00:16:01,460 the the the P and I agree with the the idea of like it's it's 316 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:05,100 partially because Woodson is chill because it does feel like 317 00:16:05,100 --> 00:16:06,020 our man. Yeah whatever. 318 00:16:06,020 --> 00:16:07,980 We'll do one of Lucas. Like who like it's kind of like 319 00:16:07,980 --> 00:16:09,900 our man like whatever you need like baby gets his bottle. 320 00:16:09,980 --> 00:16:11,580 Our Kentucky. You want you want to do one of 321 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:14,420 Lucas like fine do one of Lucas. We'll have 40,000 tickets And 322 00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:17,300 what's great about it is I saw like Rick Bosage had a tweet 323 00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:19,940 like I talked to Scott. I thought this was funny, like 324 00:16:19,940 --> 00:16:22,860 I, you know, talk to Scott Dolson and like, you know, IU is 325 00:16:22,860 --> 00:16:25,220 controlling. The majority of those Lucas Oil 326 00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:27,980 tickets and first tweet underneath it was a Kentucky fan 327 00:16:27,980 --> 00:16:29,900 being like, Blue's going to take over the stadium. 328 00:16:29,900 --> 00:16:31,140 It's like to me, it's like that's great. 329 00:16:31,140 --> 00:16:33,540 Like This is why this rivalry is awesome. 330 00:16:33,740 --> 00:16:37,500 It's like it's already starting. And I will also quote Bosich was 331 00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:40,740 on Alex Bosich's podcast podcast on the Brink. 332 00:16:40,740 --> 00:16:42,180 I don't know how we got him on the great. 333 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:45,820 We really do need to get Rick on Crimson cast. 334 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:46,900 So we do. Yeah, we do. 335 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:49,220 And Alex too. But Rick had a great point. 336 00:16:49,220 --> 00:16:51,940 He's like, you know, this is, you know, Indiana signed the 337 00:16:51,940 --> 00:16:53,500 home and home with kids and I get it. 338 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:56,580 Totally, a little bit different. It's like nobody was complaining 339 00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:58,860 about, you know what, Kansas got the first home game. 340 00:16:58,860 --> 00:17:00,500 It's like nobody cared about that. 341 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:03,540 But yet for this series, like there's actual arguments about 342 00:17:03,540 --> 00:17:05,500 where the games were. Now I get it's a little bit 343 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:08,099 different, but I think had no matter how it happened, people 344 00:17:08,099 --> 00:17:09,660 have been like, well, how come the first one's in rough? 345 00:17:09,660 --> 00:17:11,020 Like, why isn't the first one on Assembly? 346 00:17:11,020 --> 00:17:13,940 Like, to me that's all good. But I think this goes to 347 00:17:13,940 --> 00:17:16,300 Woodson. Teaching, taking this program 348 00:17:16,300 --> 00:17:20,140 and kind of acting, you know, as if like as if we are a national 349 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:21,460 champion. This is the way you schedule and 350 00:17:21,460 --> 00:17:23,060 honestly, this is the way you schedule. 351 00:17:23,060 --> 00:17:24,380 This is the way you activate fans. 352 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:27,460 It's like these are great moments and yes, at some point 353 00:17:27,460 --> 00:17:30,340 you need to start winning some of these games, but the first 354 00:17:30,340 --> 00:17:33,380 step is to schedule them, get into them, which we're doing. 355 00:17:33,380 --> 00:17:36,700 And now you have engaged fans. Like, I mean again, you and I 356 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:40,020 were in Vegas last year. I you know, no question Arizona 357 00:17:40,020 --> 00:17:43,180 has been a better program than Indiana over 1520 years. 358 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,040 And that place was 70% full of Indiana fans. 359 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,720 Yeah. And it it's, I think you, you 360 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,360 hit the nail on the head. A lot of it really comes down to 361 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,320 you can't schedule out of fear and you can't schedule to try to 362 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,680 mitigate risk. And it really felt like Tom 363 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,880 Crean, that his scheduling was about mitigating risk. 364 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,960 And and I don't know if that's because he started off with the 365 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,560 losing records and was selfconscious about that and 366 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,200 that certainly wasn't entirely his fault. 367 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,040 But the way that it changed, the way that Indiana had always 368 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,570 scheduled and when they scheduled, I mean, when when 369 00:18:13,770 --> 00:18:16,050 Calvin Sampson was here, when Mike Davis here, go back and 370 00:18:16,050 --> 00:18:18,250 look at those Mike Davis schedules like they were brutal. 371 00:18:18,610 --> 00:18:20,650 Mike, you know, Bob Knight obviously always tried to 372 00:18:20,650 --> 00:18:24,410 schedule pretty tough when you look around the country. 373 00:18:24,610 --> 00:18:26,250 And and I don't want to eliminate Archie Miller. 374 00:18:26,250 --> 00:18:28,810 I mean, Archie Miller also didn't exactly line up a 375 00:18:28,810 --> 00:18:31,890 murderer's row of nonconference opponents for Indiana. 376 00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:36,650 But if you look at the way that over the last 20 years, Michigan 377 00:18:36,650 --> 00:18:41,170 State has become one of the four programs that's always in, you 378 00:18:41,170 --> 00:18:43,530 know, whatever that Champions Classic is at the beginning of 379 00:18:43,530 --> 00:18:45,930 the year, it's them. Which is so galling. 380 00:18:46,010 --> 00:18:48,130 But yeah, that's the thing. It's like that used to be 381 00:18:48,130 --> 00:18:50,090 Indiana's spot in the pecking order. 382 00:18:50,090 --> 00:18:52,450 And they will. They've willingly seated it over 383 00:18:52,450 --> 00:18:54,250 the course of the last couple of decades. 384 00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:57,990 This is how you go back to that and and it requires you playing 385 00:18:57,990 --> 00:19:01,110 games that you might lose. I mean, Indiana lost that game 386 00:19:01,110 --> 00:19:03,230 pretty handily to Arizona last year. 387 00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:06,230 They got blown out by Kansas. Guess what? 388 00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:09,310 They were a four seed. You know, they were the second 389 00:19:09,310 --> 00:19:12,510 best team in the Big 10. And they're probably not that 390 00:19:12,510 --> 00:19:16,270 way if they don't have that measuring stick early on saying, 391 00:19:16,270 --> 00:19:18,870 you know, this is the teams you're going to have to beat. 392 00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:23,550 Not Eastern Washington, you know, not not Chicago State. 393 00:19:23,550 --> 00:19:25,710 Like, these are the teams that you're going to have to play 394 00:19:25,710 --> 00:19:28,820 against and even like. I mean, it was a Gavoc game, but 395 00:19:28,820 --> 00:19:31,540 the playing at Xavier last year was a really helpful game and 396 00:19:31,540 --> 00:19:32,900 that, you know, you don't get a whole lot of credit for 397 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:35,740 scheduling those or the ACC Big 10 Challenge games. 398 00:19:35,740 --> 00:19:38,940 But the fact that when you do have a chance to schedule these 399 00:19:38,940 --> 00:19:40,730 things. This is why getting rid of the 400 00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:42,330 Crossroads Classic was so important. 401 00:19:42,330 --> 00:19:44,610 This is why we kept talking about this, that when you look 402 00:19:44,610 --> 00:19:47,570 at the dates, you know the 2027 game, the dates are already 403 00:19:47,570 --> 00:19:48,770 scheduled. So it's like, mark your 404 00:19:48,770 --> 00:19:52,410 calendars, December 18th, 2027, that was a Crossroad Classic 405 00:19:52,450 --> 00:19:56,130 area date, and December 16th, 2028, like that's a Crossroad 406 00:19:56,130 --> 00:19:59,050 Classic date. And you and I were always on the 407 00:19:59,050 --> 00:20:01,010 same page of this. Like the Crossroad Classic was 408 00:20:01,010 --> 00:20:02,610 nice. It was cute what lasted. 409 00:20:02,610 --> 00:20:05,610 But at some point you're just playing Notre Dame and Butler 410 00:20:05,610 --> 00:20:09,250 just over and over again and it just it gets tiresome. 411 00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:10,930 And there's. So many other great teams to 412 00:20:10,930 --> 00:20:14,410 play and that weekend it's like that was always kind of that 413 00:20:14,410 --> 00:20:18,890 open weekend where everybody has these big games and so 100% 414 00:20:18,890 --> 00:20:21,930 agree. Yeah, I mean ultimately and and 415 00:20:21,930 --> 00:20:25,370 look, I know this sounds arrogant coming from I U fans 416 00:20:25,370 --> 00:20:30,330 whose teams, frankly, have not done much on the national stage 417 00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:32,770 over the course of the last 30 years. 418 00:20:32,770 --> 00:20:36,960 But Indiana's destiny? Where Indiana fans feel like 419 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,800 they should be, where Indiana's athletic department certainly 420 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,400 acts like the basketball program should be is in that top echelon 421 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,600 of games. And the Crossroads Classic, to 422 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:52,000 me always felt like a a conceit that didn't need to be made. 423 00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:56,060 And it's not the station that's Purdue station, frankly, that's 424 00:20:56,060 --> 00:20:57,660 Notre Dame station. These are good. 425 00:20:57,900 --> 00:20:59,980 You know they're they're, they're respected basketball 426 00:20:59,980 --> 00:21:02,340 brands that are regional in nature in Indiana. 427 00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:04,940 I think by constantly throwing themselves into the Crossroads 428 00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:07,780 classic kind of, I hate to say lowered themselves to that 429 00:21:07,780 --> 00:21:10,900 level, but certainly drop themselves down a station or two 430 00:21:11,140 --> 00:21:14,100 from where I use aspirations should be. 431 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:17,180 And this has really been when we talk about the philosophical 432 00:21:17,180 --> 00:21:19,420 heart of I U Basketball and kind of the struggles with. 433 00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:22,270 You know arguments over whether Crean was a good enough coach to 434 00:21:22,270 --> 00:21:26,430 be here or or what to do with Archie at the and you you I 435 00:21:26,430 --> 00:21:29,270 think deserve a lot of credit for bringing this up over and 436 00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:33,950 over again during the Crean era especially this idea that we're 437 00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:37,870 not do we're not acting like a top level program we're acting 438 00:21:37,870 --> 00:21:43,750 like a program that is concerned about winning games not 439 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:46,510 necessarily winning championships and. 440 00:21:47,030 --> 00:21:49,470 What I love about the Mike Woodson era, one of the many 441 00:21:49,470 --> 00:21:51,910 things not and we see it in recruiting as much as we're now 442 00:21:51,910 --> 00:21:55,710 seeing it and scheduling is he's like this is we're supposed to 443 00:21:55,710 --> 00:21:57,950 be up here. We're not supposed to be down in 444 00:21:57,950 --> 00:22:00,550 this area. There's a mentality to that that 445 00:22:00,550 --> 00:22:05,030 is so critical to being a program that's up there. 446 00:22:05,030 --> 00:22:06,870 And I think you see it with UConn I mean. 447 00:22:07,330 --> 00:22:10,890 You know Dan Hurley has taken that program and he said we 448 00:22:10,890 --> 00:22:15,130 should not be middling around in you know and not playing against 449 00:22:15,130 --> 00:22:16,730 teams. We we're going to ramp this up 450 00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:19,930 to a level where there's no question that we are going to 451 00:22:19,930 --> 00:22:21,970 compete against the best. We might not win all the time 452 00:22:21,970 --> 00:22:24,010 and then of course you know that they turn in win a national 453 00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:27,210 championship last year. So I'm I'm thrilled that it's 454 00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:28,650 back. I don't care about where the 455 00:22:28,650 --> 00:22:30,930 games are at. I you know and because again I 456 00:22:30,930 --> 00:22:33,690 think Indiana had has something to prove in this and Kentucky 457 00:22:33,690 --> 00:22:35,300 right now doesn't. Yeah no. 458 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:37,940 And and the thing the the bigger point on Woodson too is just 459 00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:40,780 this it is, as you're saying, like it is kind of hitting this, 460 00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:43,180 you know, acting as if. But yeah, you schedule a lot of 461 00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:44,460 these games and you're going to lose some of them. 462 00:22:44,460 --> 00:22:46,180 Like, I don't think we're going to go four and O in this. 463 00:22:46,180 --> 00:22:48,900 Like we're probably, you know, going to struggle in the Empire 464 00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:51,780 classic And but you see it in recruiting too. 465 00:22:51,780 --> 00:22:54,220 You know, right now we don't have, I think anybody signed for 466 00:22:54,220 --> 00:22:58,220 the 2024 class, but we have I think four or five, five stars 467 00:22:58,220 --> 00:23:00,060 all on the docket that we're up there for. 468 00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:02,980 And it is, it is kind of like you have to pull the fan base, 469 00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:07,060 myself sometimes included, into that mindset of like, yeah. 470 00:23:07,060 --> 00:23:08,860 Like if you're going to play with the big boys like, yeah, 471 00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:10,140 you're going to kind of do it without a net like. 472 00:23:10,140 --> 00:23:12,020 And yeah, we're not going to have a bunch of three stars 473 00:23:12,020 --> 00:23:14,780 signed for the 2024 class. Like we're going after five, 474 00:23:14,780 --> 00:23:17,140 five stars and we're not going to get them all. 475 00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:19,460 But it's like it's going to be a little bit of a high wire act. 476 00:23:19,460 --> 00:23:21,860 But that's what Kentucky does. That's what Duke does. 477 00:23:21,860 --> 00:23:24,140 And they do it with a little more confidence because they 478 00:23:24,140 --> 00:23:26,580 normally start every year with like a Fivestar already locked 479 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:28,660 in. But I always felt that way with 480 00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:31,330 Archie and Cream, with the recruiting, it's like, well, you 481 00:23:31,330 --> 00:23:33,410 know, at this point I feel like Archie or Cream would have like 482 00:23:33,490 --> 00:23:35,810 just filled the class with like two or three, no offense, like 483 00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:37,890 Tim Priller's like, well, we got to get a couple guys in the we 484 00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:39,930 gotta get somebody locked in. And I love how Woodson is 485 00:23:39,930 --> 00:23:42,530 approaching and you see kind of fans are nervous about it, but 486 00:23:42,530 --> 00:23:45,640 it's like, hey, this is, yeah, it's, it's, it's high stakes. 487 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,800 But Woodson is like, hey man, I think I'm gonna get two or three 488 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,280 of these guys and I'm not gonna waste a spot on a three star who 489 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,200 may or may not be good. Like, I'm gonna try and fill it 490 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,520 all with five stars and we're gonna play a bunch of tough 491 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,840 games. And guess what we might like 492 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,560 last year? We might lose all those tough 493 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,520 games. And guess what? 494 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,800 It's not the end of the season. The The surest way to lose in a 495 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,440 poker tournament is to be focused on protecting your chip 496 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,160 stack. Yes, 100%. 497 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,000 So. Anyway, it's great. 498 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,840 And the last thing I'll say, I I heard this from dosage as well. 499 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,120 I'm just stealing everything from his pod. 500 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:19,880 But he it's a great point that you know you have a couple of 501 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,760 again, take a shot. I don't really follow 502 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,680 recruiting, but I do know there are some really good high school 503 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,800 kids coming up through the ranks of Indiana. 504 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,720 And this is a great selling point to those Indiana kids 505 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,200 like, hey, you're going to play the Indiana Kentucky basketball 506 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,400 thing. Like you can help restart this 507 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,160 rivalry. You know, this is a great 508 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,040 recruiting tool. You want you know everybody 509 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,080 wants to lock up the state and get nothing to Indiana recruits. 510 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,680 Like this is a great way to do it. 511 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,280 And so yeah, I think this is great and it's it's funny man, 512 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,600 for a guy who's so sleepy and not paying attention and isn't 513 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,600 really able to do the job, he he's definitely pushing us 514 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,840 forward and getting a lot of very good things done. 515 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,040 Yeah, funny how that works, isn't it? 516 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,960 You know, just I guess, I guess you could just lazy yourself 517 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,600 into, you know, five star recruiting conversations and and 518 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,280 getting Kentucky back on the schedule, you know, a harder 519 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,440 working, longtime college basketball coach. 520 00:25:07,820 --> 00:25:09,420 You know, surely. Never mind. 521 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:12,300 Anyway, I love the idea too, that like that Calipari did this 522 00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:15,380 deal knowing he won't be there to play the game, the Calipari. 523 00:25:15,380 --> 00:25:19,460 Might not be there in March, you know, I mean let alone in 2025. 524 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:23,700 So it's it's a it's a no risk thing for Calipari. 525 00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:27,420 I'll be I I'll bet you $50.00 right now he's not on the 526 00:25:27,420 --> 00:25:29,300 sideline for the first game of this series. 527 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,240 I wouldn't take that game. I'm sure that the contract might 528 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,480 say like Kentucky will come. Like we'll also provide the 529 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,880 jerseys like cow bars like who cares? 530 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,840 Like well we'll pay for the catering for the game and 531 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,160 Assembly hall like sure, whatever. 532 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,360 I'm not going to be there. Well, anyway, so the one last 533 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:46,040 thing I wanted to say on the basketball front, the television 534 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,000 schedules came out for basketball. 535 00:25:49,550 --> 00:25:51,630 And people were not pleased, I think. 536 00:25:51,910 --> 00:25:54,270 Is it why it's great to be an IndyCar family? 537 00:25:54,270 --> 00:25:57,550 You already have Peacock, like being an IndyCar fan doesn't pay 538 00:25:57,550 --> 00:26:00,150 off much at all. But it paid off here because you 539 00:26:00,150 --> 00:26:01,830 and I are Peacock subscribers already. 540 00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:04,470 So it's like this is just value add for me baby. 541 00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:07,670 It is well, and I also have a big Premier League guy, and I've 542 00:26:07,670 --> 00:26:10,270 already got it for that too. And now it's this is actually 543 00:26:10,270 --> 00:26:14,350 the best case scenario for NBC because I can't cancel in the 544 00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:16,430 offseason of the Premier League and bring it back. 545 00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:18,550 I'm going to need it the whole time at this point, but that's 546 00:26:18,550 --> 00:26:21,730 OK. So you know, if you look at the 547 00:26:21,730 --> 00:26:25,250 breakdown, Indiana has five games on Peacock. 548 00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:29,010 The one that really got stuck in people's craw was the Purdue at 549 00:26:29,010 --> 00:26:32,730 Indiana game in January is on Peacock and. 550 00:26:33,340 --> 00:26:35,460 That really upset a bunch of people. 551 00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:38,660 And if you look at the breakdown overall, it's interesting 552 00:26:38,660 --> 00:26:41,260 because the programs that have the most games on Peacock this 553 00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:44,100 year are the programs you would expect to get the most attention 554 00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:46,580 for the most part about Minnesota accepted. 555 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:50,900 But you know, Purdue's got 6, Indiana's got 5, Michigan's got 556 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:54,420 5, Michigan State's got 5, Ohio State's got 5 and Wisconsin's 557 00:26:54,420 --> 00:26:57,140 got 5. And that's those are the the, 558 00:26:57,260 --> 00:27:00,820 you know the the way the strategy works in television is 559 00:27:00,820 --> 00:27:03,530 obviously. You want to put inventory on 560 00:27:03,850 --> 00:27:08,490 that's going to cause people to sign up and stay signed up. 561 00:27:08,490 --> 00:27:11,770 And if someone put together a handy guide about like, what 562 00:27:11,770 --> 00:27:14,450 months, you're going to need Peacock to watch I U. 563 00:27:14,610 --> 00:27:17,410 People are also complaining about, you know, there's a 564 00:27:17,610 --> 00:27:20,250 couple of I U exhibition games on BTM Plus. 565 00:27:20,970 --> 00:27:25,290 There's, you know, fortunately for Indiana, there's no ESPN 566 00:27:25,290 --> 00:27:27,930 plus games and Nebraska has one of those, which is kind of an 567 00:27:27,930 --> 00:27:30,650 odd one. But Indiana, you know a. 568 00:27:31,330 --> 00:27:33,690 It has a decent number of national television games. 569 00:27:33,690 --> 00:27:37,090 They've got three games on Fox, they've got four on FS1, they've 570 00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:40,890 got 12 on BTN, they've got three on CBS and they've got one on 571 00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:44,050 ESPN and one on ESPNU. So there's there's a lot of 572 00:27:44,050 --> 00:27:47,090 opportunities for people to see I U, but you know, five games 573 00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:49,650 being on Peacock really shook people up. 574 00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:54,570 I understand the concern, Scott, in that I don't think people 575 00:27:54,570 --> 00:27:58,170 really understood the ramifications of all of the 576 00:27:58,170 --> 00:28:00,370 things that we talked about in the offseason with. 577 00:28:00,790 --> 00:28:04,030 The new Big 10 television deal and with Peacock getting 578 00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:08,870 involved, what you know, I would say I guess to start off with, I 579 00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:11,670 understand why people are frustrated because things they 580 00:28:11,670 --> 00:28:14,390 used to not have to get an extra subscription for, they're having 581 00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:15,870 to get an extra subscription for. 582 00:28:16,510 --> 00:28:19,270 But this is, this is what everybody like. 583 00:28:19,270 --> 00:28:21,350 This is kind of the cost of doing business in the Big 10. 584 00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:25,270 At this point, you are in a conference that is in so much 585 00:28:25,270 --> 00:28:27,590 better financial shape than anybody else. 586 00:28:28,390 --> 00:28:31,390 This is the inventory that is the trade off for that financial 587 00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:35,110 security and I'm not, I'm not saying that people shouldn't, 588 00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:38,670 you know, be excited about it, but I think it's a bit over the 589 00:28:38,670 --> 00:28:41,670 top some of the responses and reactions that people had to it 590 00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:46,150 because it's going to actually get worse like next year wait 591 00:28:46,150 --> 00:28:48,950 for the Paramount plus games to start popping up. 592 00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:51,270 You know, I mean that, you know that will, that will certainly 593 00:28:51,270 --> 00:28:55,310 happen as CBS becomes fully vested into the Big 10 594 00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:59,650 television package. So look that, yeah, I'll say 595 00:28:59,650 --> 00:29:02,610 this, I think that the overall production quality on Peacock 596 00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:05,930 has gotten pretty good. It's mostly just inconvenient 597 00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:08,610 for people to have to watch games on Peacock if they're also 598 00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:10,770 trying to watch other things on cable television. 599 00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:15,130 But overall, it's it. This was going to happen. 600 00:29:15,130 --> 00:29:17,450 It's almost not something you can get mad about or happy 601 00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:19,290 about. This was just the inevitable 602 00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:21,930 outcome of what this whole thing was going to turn into. 603 00:29:22,990 --> 00:29:26,150 I mean here's what I'll say is Brooklyn 99 is a great show and 604 00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:28,670 so you get all Brooklyn 99 being on Peacock. 605 00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:32,350 You get all the office with no interruptions of it's great. 606 00:29:33,380 --> 00:29:35,060 Yeah. No the you are 100% right. 607 00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:37,300 It is funny looking at it like you do have the one random like 608 00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:40,340 Purdue's playing in the SEC Network Plus like that's going 609 00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:44,540 to be a tough pot to get. It is funny talking I'm I'm in 610 00:29:44,540 --> 00:29:46,940 this you know again weird Culdesac with a lot of like 611 00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:51,500 random other Big 10 fans and not Indiana fans and all of them to 612 00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:54,460 a man have they were all kind of yeah I guess I'd Peacock for 613 00:29:54,460 --> 00:29:56,340 somebody like I gotta get Peacock but everyone's kind of 614 00:29:56,340 --> 00:29:59,440 like yeah but I'm not getting BTN Plus it's just a putt too 615 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,800 far. Like I've always kind of been on 616 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,440 that boat like I'll just miss the exhibition games or just 617 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,040 catch them up a little bit later So BTN Plus needs a little bit 618 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,360 but to your point this is where you don't get it both ways. 619 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,870 Like Indiana is one of the premier brands of the Big 10 and 620 00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:17,630 that's great for us. But it also means that like 621 00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:21,150 Peacock didn't sign that deal to just get nothing but Minnesota, 622 00:30:21,150 --> 00:30:24,190 Northwestern games on there. Like they're like, hey, hey man, 623 00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:27,950 you know our check for whatever, 15,000,000, we'd love to see one 624 00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:30,390 of those good teams come on our our network. 625 00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:33,470 And so as a fan of it, Indiana like one of your good games 626 00:30:33,470 --> 00:30:35,710 probably every year is going to be on Peacock and like you said, 627 00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:38,270 you guys are being on Paramount. Plus, like this is the way of 628 00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:39,390 the services. Hopefully. 629 00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:43,070 You know, I listen to Derek Thompson's podcast a lot and he 630 00:30:43,070 --> 00:30:44,670 has a great line of like meeting. 631 00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:47,510 It's just a history of bundling and unbundling bundles. 632 00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:49,990 And it's like right now we're in unbundling mode. 633 00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:52,950 The nice thing is wait 10 years, it'll probably all be bundled 634 00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:56,830 into like BTN Plus and then you just get everything, It'll be 635 00:30:56,830 --> 00:30:58,710 there and then you can have that run for 15 years. 636 00:30:58,710 --> 00:31:00,950 But no, this is, this is the new reality. 637 00:31:01,230 --> 00:31:03,870 I I'm signed up for too many different streaming services. 638 00:31:03,870 --> 00:31:05,310 I know it. And it's just like you either 639 00:31:05,470 --> 00:31:08,510 have to do it or you don't. And you know, I'm, I'm with you. 640 00:31:08,510 --> 00:31:11,590 This is, this is the way it goes and it's inventory and they're 641 00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:13,630 going to want to spread it across all of their partners. 642 00:31:13,670 --> 00:31:16,070 Yeah, I mean. The only thing worse than having 643 00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:18,190 your stuff on a streaming service that you have to pay 644 00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:21,590 something for is not having your stuff anywhere. 645 00:31:21,790 --> 00:31:27,310 And that ultimately is a far worse outcome than this and 646 00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:29,070 this. Again, there's a lot of things 647 00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:32,390 being thrown at fans that they don't like that, you know, fans 648 00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:35,910 don't like that they have to donate to NIL collectives. 649 00:31:36,150 --> 00:31:38,750 They don't like that they're not having to pay extra for things. 650 00:31:39,370 --> 00:31:42,330 And it's it's interesting because that the I heard that 651 00:31:42,330 --> 00:31:44,930 same Derek Thompson podcast that I've I've read it done in some 652 00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:47,610 other areas. What we're watching is 653 00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:53,410 essentially finally sports fans being asked to front the bill 654 00:31:53,410 --> 00:31:57,410 directly for things that non sports fans have been been not 655 00:31:57,410 --> 00:32:00,050 asked to, but it has been required to front the bill for 656 00:32:00,250 --> 00:32:03,620 for a couple of decades now. And you know, so much of the 657 00:32:03,620 --> 00:32:07,500 original economic packages that have funded Big 10 expansion 658 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,620 have funded all this money. Pouring into the athletic 659 00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:13,620 departments has been people who never have turned on Big 10 660 00:32:13,620 --> 00:32:16,980 network in their life, paying the Big 10 directly a couple of 661 00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:19,380 bucks a month because it's on the cable package. 662 00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:25,820 Or people who never watch ESPN paying $7.50 a month to ESPN 663 00:32:26,140 --> 00:32:27,380 because it's in the cable package. 664 00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:30,660 That's how this stuff works. And so I understand that there's 665 00:32:30,660 --> 00:32:32,820 now sticker shock. And I think especially with the 666 00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:36,180 NIL front, this is where universities have to do a lot of 667 00:32:36,180 --> 00:32:38,740 public relations and help explain to people that, no, this 668 00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:41,420 isn't kids getting stuff they don't deserve. 669 00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:47,100 This is their economic reality, and you don't have to like it. 670 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:50,660 You can hope for things how they used to be, but the reality was 671 00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:53,660 that money was still being spent, it was just coming from 672 00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:56,220 somebody else. Now to some degree it's more 673 00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:59,660 fair because it's coming from the people who are the actual 674 00:32:59,660 --> 00:33:01,990 consumers. Well and this is I hate to be 675 00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:04,910 get off my lawn guy but we are getting we are getting slightly 676 00:33:04,910 --> 00:33:07,470 older as a couple of texts we had last night about like out 677 00:33:07,470 --> 00:33:11,750 time is weird but you know to to the idea like the way it used to 678 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:13,870 be. I mean it used to be you know 679 00:33:13,910 --> 00:33:16,150 that there was kind of it's a sweet spot where a lot of games 680 00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:17,590 are on ESPN. But it used to be when like when 681 00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:21,670 Indiana was on ESPN it was on local you know WTTV 4. 682 00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:24,790 But if like if I was driving somewhere or I was in Fort 683 00:33:24,790 --> 00:33:27,190 Wayne, it's like you were not getting the IU game if you 684 00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:30,990 didn't get WTV 4. And you know that that is our 685 00:33:30,990 --> 00:33:33,310 younger listeners like yes, this does kind of suck. 686 00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:35,430 You have to sign up for two or three different services. 687 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:38,870 But the flip side is you live in a world where you can watch 688 00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:41,990 every single I U game live and if you miss it, you can get it 689 00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:45,670 on DVR or recording where you and I lived in a world, you 690 00:33:45,670 --> 00:33:48,190 know, back back in the day when it didn't cost as much. 691 00:33:48,510 --> 00:33:50,990 It also was kind of hard to get the game sometimes. 692 00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:54,150 And like some of the games if they weren't on WT so some 693 00:33:54,150 --> 00:33:56,670 weren't even televised. That's the thing just like we 694 00:33:57,510 --> 00:34:00,590 you, you tap in Indianapolis and it's like I am not able to watch 695 00:34:00,590 --> 00:34:04,310 this. I U fans historically have been 696 00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:07,830 so spoiled by how many games basketball game, men's 697 00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:09,670 basketball games were available to watch. 698 00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:11,590 Almost all of them. I remember there was a random 699 00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:15,150 tournament, I think it was before the 9899 season in 700 00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:18,429 Indianapolis. IN played South Carolina in one 701 00:34:18,429 --> 00:34:20,389 game and they played Seton Hall in the other game. 702 00:34:20,830 --> 00:34:23,230 They got broadcast one of those games with Mike Petry, maybe 703 00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:25,909 both of them, I I don't totally remember, but they they were on 704 00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:28,710 like an obscure cable channel that you couldn't pick up. 705 00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:31,590 I I was even more spoiled because you know in addition to 706 00:34:31,590 --> 00:34:35,230 WTTV or WTTK, if you lived in the northern part of the state, 707 00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:38,030 we had a big dish satellite at my house. 708 00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:41,310 And so my there was like a there was a game that I you played in 709 00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:44,590 the Bay Area. I think it was against USF and 710 00:34:44,870 --> 00:34:47,830 it was on nothing. But my dad found the wild feed 711 00:34:47,830 --> 00:34:49,670 of that game. I think I've got that recording 712 00:34:49,670 --> 00:34:52,460 up on YouTube. There there's, I mean, there's 713 00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:56,139 Big 10 teams that didn't have the majority of their games 714 00:34:56,139 --> 00:34:57,580 televised. And even when they were 715 00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:59,460 televised, they were just televised in the state of 716 00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:01,820 Indiana because they were playing Indiana, They weren't 717 00:35:01,820 --> 00:35:04,980 televising the random, you know, Minnesota Northwestern game. 718 00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:07,260 And on the flip side, I mentioned this. 719 00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:10,460 So when I was on NPR News EDITION last week talking about 720 00:35:10,460 --> 00:35:14,780 this topic, humble brag. I mean, you know, not everybody 721 00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:18,820 can be on NPR News Edition, but the. 722 00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:21,150 But I U, football games, largely. 723 00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:23,070 We're not on television, you know? 724 00:35:23,070 --> 00:35:26,350 I mean, there were a lot of, yeah, a lot of I U football 725 00:35:26,350 --> 00:35:30,190 games just never made it. And so it I, you know, this is 726 00:35:30,190 --> 00:35:33,310 still a much better environment. There's so much more stuff 727 00:35:33,310 --> 00:35:36,510 available. It is more expensive, but it's 728 00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:41,300 also essentially. These things just didn't 729 00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,580 materialize on their own. Like sports being as 730 00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:46,220 professionalized and as global as they've gotten, There's a 731 00:35:46,220 --> 00:35:48,500 price tag attached to that and that money has to come from 732 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,260 somewhere. And in this case, we see where 733 00:35:50,260 --> 00:35:53,020 it's coming from. So I understand people's 734 00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:55,220 consternation that they have to add something that they didn't 735 00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:59,140 have before. I I would just say, say, you 736 00:35:59,140 --> 00:36:02,100 know, if you want to get mad about this, keep your powder dry 737 00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:04,820 because you're probably going to be more mad about it next year. 738 00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:08,980 And you know, I think what I'm also interested in. 739 00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:13,250 We talked about this with one of our business chats about, you 740 00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:16,650 know, why do they break football off from the other sports? 741 00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:20,330 The basketball schedule that you just saw is the reason why that 742 00:36:20,330 --> 00:36:23,850 doesn't work, because the subscribers that you're going to 743 00:36:23,850 --> 00:36:27,290 get off of men's basketball games, off of women's basketball 744 00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:29,690 games, the women I think have even more games on Peacock than 745 00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:32,170 the men do. You know you're going to start 746 00:36:32,170 --> 00:36:34,530 to see volleyball popping up on some of these streaming 747 00:36:34,530 --> 00:36:37,240 services. This is what this is now. 748 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:39,880 The the Big 10 is now an entertainment package. 749 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,280 And if you look at the football schedules that just came out, 750 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,840 you know, someone on on the college football subreddit was 751 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,880 like, you know, the Big 10 is is going to have a ratings bonanza 752 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,520 with some of these games. You know you're going to have 753 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,880 Washington, MI, you're going to have, you know, Ohio State, USC. 754 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,400 You've got, you know, all of these great matchups with these 755 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,360 great brands that are going to resonate nationwide. 756 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,320 And we're already seeing it like there's some of these Big 10 757 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,520 games that have been on. In prime time on NBC have drawn 758 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,240 really good numbers despite not always being great games. 759 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,960 And so again, it's not going to be for everybody. 760 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,280 And I guess my, my, my, my main message here is I understand why 761 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,520 are you fans are upset. But I think this is something 762 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,840 that it ultimately you'd rather be upset about this then be 763 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,520 sitting where like Washington State is right now or the Big 12 764 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,440 schools where a lot of their games are just going to be 765 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:35,560 behind the ESPN Plus paywall. And largely not that popular or 766 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,040 important in the big scheme of things. 767 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,640 Again, just become a Premier League fan or an IndyCar fan. 768 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,160 Then you get you get double your money. 769 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,040 Anyway, let's let's wrap up by talking about the other big news 770 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,240 from today, which was the announcement. 771 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:51,440 And it was really the announcement happened earlier, 772 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,160 but there was a story that came out in the Indy Star, a Freedom 773 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,760 of Information Act request on the new contract given to now. 774 00:38:00,620 --> 00:38:05,340 Permanent offensive coordinator Rod Kerry and this one took a 775 00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:09,700 lot of people by surprise and I think it's worth talking about. 776 00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:13,620 So let's start I guess with the terms of the contract. 777 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:16,580 The the the terms of the contract is noted in the Indy 778 00:38:16,580 --> 00:38:21,860 Star article where that Kerry's going to receive $815,000 per 779 00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:27,100 year contract runs through December 31st, 2025. 780 00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:30,880 It does make. Rod Carey, the highest paid 781 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,600 coordinator in I U history and you know by about probably 782 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,920 100,115 thousand over what Walt Bell was being paid before 783 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,560 Kaylin de Boer got I think above that number. 784 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,480 But it was incentive driven as opposed to being part of his 785 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,800 core contract. There are certainly incentives 786 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,760 built into this as well. There's a lot of people, I 787 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,960 think, and I certainly looked at it and I was like, okay that. 788 00:38:58,580 --> 00:39:02,260 This is why there was a lot of question when we recorded that 789 00:39:02,260 --> 00:39:07,140 podcast addendum on Sunday about why are they naming Rod Kerry 790 00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:10,460 the offensive coordinator as opposed to just the interim 791 00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:13,540 offensive coordinator. There's some interesting 792 00:39:13,540 --> 00:39:17,180 language in the contract. If Kerry himself gets fired 793 00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:21,220 without cause, he'd be owed the entire 100% of his remaining 794 00:39:21,220 --> 00:39:23,940 guaranteed money. It is interesting there's a 795 00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:25,940 passage in here I'm just going to read verbatim. 796 00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:29,380 In the event Carrie were dismissed as a result of the 797 00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:33,460 firing of the head coach, Indiana would owe Carry 100% of 798 00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:36,100 the remaining guaranteed compensation through June. 799 00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:39,780 The June 30th following the head coach's termination. 800 00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:43,580 For example of Alan were let go in January, I you would owe 801 00:39:43,580 --> 00:39:47,260 Carry Severance Eagle to 100% of his guaranteed compensation 802 00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:49,440 through the end of June. Of the same year. 803 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:55,040 So it's not honestly not as bad as I initially thought from a 804 00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,120 compensation perspective because if if there was a change that 805 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,280 happened, you would only be obligated for essentially what 806 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,040 you'd already paid the person for that year. 807 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,120 The reason June 30 is the is the date is that's the end of the 808 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,990 fiscal year at I U, so. It's not like they've guaranteed 809 00:40:12,990 --> 00:40:16,590 him $2.4 million or whatever it is over the course of the the 810 00:40:16,590 --> 00:40:20,030 three seasons, but it is a pretty sizable financial 811 00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:22,270 investment. And Scott, there's some 812 00:40:22,270 --> 00:40:25,510 questions I think that have to be asked surrounding this. 813 00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:28,750 As we've said, with pretty much everything around I U. 814 00:40:28,750 --> 00:40:31,150 Football so far this season is where would you like to start? 815 00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:34,950 So I'm going to ask you a question about it because as we 816 00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:37,990 talked about it, you know, both on the pod and a little bit off, 817 00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:41,840 you know. It seems the logical way to do 818 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,920 this would be to make this position interim and then make 819 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,360 it run to the end of the year, which isn't saying you couldn't 820 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,840 hire. I'm not saying Kerry's going to 821 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,800 be good or bad and it's saying you back, hey, we could hire you 822 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,560 at the end of the year. We're just like. 823 00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:56,860 I don't. The Kerry's not in the position 824 00:40:56,860 --> 00:40:58,940 where he can just demand like I'm going to get a three-year 825 00:40:58,940 --> 00:41:01,620 contract like he's being promoted up. 826 00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:05,340 There's really no reason why I U needs to go for a two year deal. 827 00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:08,100 There's no reason to name him the fulltime coordinator and 828 00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:12,500 when you have a head coach who seems to be on the hot seat what 829 00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:16,340 was or just feels like it it it could be a very interesting 830 00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:19,660 season if things don't go significantly better. 831 00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:24,380 My question to you is why wouldn't I you just say. 832 00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:27,820 We're going to go interim and we're just going to give this a 833 00:41:27,820 --> 00:41:32,700 year because now it kind of I you can still make a choice at 834 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:34,740 the end of the year. I'm not getting into these 835 00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:36,980 should or shouldn't we not fire Allen discussion. 836 00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:41,340 But now it makes if you wanted to make a move on Allen, there's 837 00:41:41,340 --> 00:41:44,180 already some contractual pieces that make it difficult. 838 00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:47,700 Now you're just adding more money to that because now you 839 00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:50,500 have an offensive coordinator who theoretically would have to 840 00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:52,300 be bought out. You've just made it a lot 841 00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:54,300 harder. My question to you is like why 842 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:56,340 would you? Why would you give yourself even 843 00:41:56,340 --> 00:42:01,340 more inflexibility this year when you don't have to? 844 00:42:02,220 --> 00:42:03,980 It didn't make a lot of sense to me. 845 00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:07,180 I mean, look, my The first thing I wrote down in my notes before 846 00:42:07,180 --> 00:42:11,500 the podcast was why I want. To guess why question mark close 847 00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:14,380 but it was more I under I actually do understand 848 00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:19,460 availability sorry I I I there's a prism through which I 849 00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:23,660 understand why Alan hired Kerry as the permanent OC. 850 00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:28,730 My question is what's the rush? But this year you know there's 851 00:42:28,770 --> 00:42:34,450 there's seven games left on the schedule and what I don't 852 00:42:34,450 --> 00:42:38,970 understand is why it was so important to name Rod Kerry the 853 00:42:38,970 --> 00:42:41,010 offense, the permanent offensive coordinator. 854 00:42:41,370 --> 00:42:45,690 Now as opposed to saying, Rob, we really want you to come in 855 00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:49,180 and try to salvage something on offense this year and you're 856 00:42:49,180 --> 00:42:51,660 going to get every bit of consideration for the full time 857 00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:53,780 job. But we want to see how it goes 858 00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:57,060 and see how to evaluate things. They didn't do that. 859 00:42:57,060 --> 00:43:01,660 Instead they they they fire Walt Bell and and it and the and that 860 00:43:01,660 --> 00:43:03,580 is weird to me. But I'm we'll get back to that 861 00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:05,140 in a second. Not that they fired him, but 862 00:43:05,140 --> 00:43:07,020 there's some there's some circumstances around that that 863 00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:08,500 I've been chewing on that are just odd. 864 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,520 And so rather than saying okay, we're going to we're going to 865 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,560 take our time and we're going to try to evaluate. 866 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,680 I mean that was that's been the watchword, right, Scott and 867 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,880 we're going to evaluate everything. 868 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,240 So they are there to evaluate all the players, all the 869 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:23,520 systems, everything. But they they needed so little 870 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,760 evaluation of the person that they were going to hire is the 871 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,640 fulltime offensive coordinator that they gave him a contract 872 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,920 that day that ran through 2025. I don't understand that. 873 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:40,290 I really don't. I think that there's a there's a 874 00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:44,890 couple of real problems there. A Rockery's been around for a 875 00:43:44,890 --> 00:43:47,610 couple of years in the I, U offensive staff. 876 00:43:47,610 --> 00:43:50,050 He took over as the offensive line coach last year. 877 00:43:52,450 --> 00:43:56,090 Has he been so removed from the running of the offense and 878 00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:59,170 everything that he hasn't touched any of any of that, that 879 00:43:59,170 --> 00:44:01,050 he's just been completely separated from it? 880 00:44:01,570 --> 00:44:03,410 He's been part of the staff. I mean, he's been a quality 881 00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:07,330 control coach, whatever that is. But he was part of the offensive 882 00:44:07,330 --> 00:44:11,610 staff last year, so he clearly has some sense and has has had 883 00:44:11,610 --> 00:44:13,610 his hands in it in some way, shape or form. 884 00:44:14,170 --> 00:44:19,170 So what was it that you saw from him at that point that caused 885 00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:22,690 you, instead of hiring him as cooffensive coordinator this 886 00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:26,950 past offseason, to instead hire Anthony Tucker, who worked with 887 00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:30,790 Walt Bell before, who was the offensive coordinator at Utah 888 00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:35,590 State in 2021 and 2022? You named him Anthony Tucker, 889 00:44:35,590 --> 00:44:38,910 cooffensive coordinator when he was hired with Walt Bell. 890 00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:43,630 If Rod Carey was, you know, a guy that you were trusting that 891 00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:47,070 much, why wouldn't you have just named him cooffensive 892 00:44:47,070 --> 00:44:50,030 coordinator? That there's there's a lot of 893 00:44:50,030 --> 00:44:54,740 elements to the the way that the personnel aspects have been 894 00:44:54,740 --> 00:44:57,260 hired that don't really make a whole lot of sense. 895 00:44:57,700 --> 00:44:59,860 The other the other thing though, we'll go ahead and 896 00:44:59,860 --> 00:45:01,780 comment on that and then I've got another larger thing. 897 00:45:01,860 --> 00:45:03,940 All right. But no, like to those points 898 00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:06,860 like I I always look to take a step up like my question would 899 00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:09,620 then be to Dolson where again not saying you have to make a 900 00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:11,820 decision on Alan now, but why are you? 901 00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:14,030 Again, from the outside, it looks like like, why are you 902 00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:16,190 kind of letting Alan now make these calls? 903 00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:18,110 Like if I'm Dulson, I kind of come in and say, all right, like 904 00:45:18,110 --> 00:45:19,870 we're going to fire. Well, Bell, that's fine. 905 00:45:21,070 --> 00:45:23,430 Whoever we pick is interim. Like obviously we're not going 906 00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:25,190 to do a national search. We're going to bring somebody 907 00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:26,870 up. And to your point, which is 908 00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:28,670 valid, it's like the offenses has been bad. 909 00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:31,430 So whoever we're bringing up is kind of already been somewhat 910 00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:34,790 involved in this bad offense. You know, anybody's going to be 911 00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:37,630 interim like I I just don't fully understand why if you're 912 00:45:37,630 --> 00:45:41,470 Dulson, you're not like, hey, we're not making any more like 913 00:45:41,470 --> 00:45:43,830 I'm going to be so. What involved in these decisions 914 00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:47,110 Tom, and we're not we're not going to lock anything in past 915 00:45:47,110 --> 00:45:50,030 this year like let's just interim everything let's get 916 00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:53,510 kind of things triage figured out and we don't need to be 917 00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:56,950 making longterm decisions in week 4 of what looks like has 918 00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:59,830 not been an awesome season thus far. 919 00:46:00,390 --> 00:46:03,950 Again, I just, I I look at that and I'm not sure why if you're 920 00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:06,310 dolson you kind of let what it looks like like. 921 00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:08,830 I'm assuming letting Alan make these calls. 922 00:46:08,830 --> 00:46:11,150 If Dole is making these calls I don't I don't don't know why 923 00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:14,030 you're letting any of these calls to be to be made and why 924 00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:18,510 you're you're kind of still letting Alan run his program as 925 00:46:18,510 --> 00:46:21,510 if he's got the mandate to do whatever he wants for the next 926 00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:24,070 five years. The other thing and and this 927 00:46:24,070 --> 00:46:29,070 kind of I agree with that I I think the the larger point here 928 00:46:29,070 --> 00:46:35,590 is I heard so Zach Osterman recorded a video where he was 929 00:46:35,590 --> 00:46:38,310 trying to explain what he thought the perspective was of 930 00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:40,670 the athletic department. It's worth the watch about 10 931 00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:42,390 minutes long. It's actually in the star piece 932 00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:47,070 that I'd recommend everybody read and he put forward this, 933 00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:52,710 this hypothesis that well you know the offense is can bad it 934 00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:55,790 it can only be tinkered with a little bit right now you want to 935 00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:59,670 give Rob Kerry a full head of steam you know knowing the 936 00:46:59,670 --> 00:47:02,950 personnel and hitting the ground running in January to try to 937 00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:06,950 reform the offense. Which I kind of makes I guess it 938 00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:10,710 makes sense on its face. Except I'd like to note that the 939 00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:14,870 single best year in I U. Football in the last 20 years 940 00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:19,270 offensively came as a result of a guy who got hired on January 941 00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:21,910 27th. I think it was of 2019 named 942 00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:25,990 Caitlin de Boer who somehow came in, you know, amazing how that 943 00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:28,710 happens without a head of steam and without a head of steam, 944 00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:32,230 without knowing the personnel and somehow managed to take what 945 00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:37,830 have been a a pretty meh kind of offense under Mike Debord and 946 00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:39,950 turn it into something that got Indiana eight wins. 947 00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:44,940 And you know, my point on it would be you you you've got to 948 00:47:45,020 --> 00:47:47,420 make a national search out of this. 949 00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:50,260 I I'm sorry. I don't think that Tom Allen 950 00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:53,660 deserves the benefit of the doubt in terms of choosing his 951 00:47:53,660 --> 00:47:56,460 offensive coordinators just because they happen to be in the 952 00:47:56,460 --> 00:48:00,500 building his his coordinator hires have not worked out. 953 00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:04,300 I mean, you know, Nick Sheridan flames out basically at the 954 00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:08,650 beginning of year two. He's now had to fire Walt Bell, 955 00:48:08,850 --> 00:48:13,130 who he went out and hired. He had to fire or dismiss. 956 00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:15,290 I don't know what happened with Charlton Warren, but he's no 957 00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:17,930 longer here. I mean, that's three in a row 958 00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:21,610 essentially. And now your answer to, again, a 959 00:48:21,610 --> 00:48:24,090 Big 10 football program. We just talked about all of the 960 00:48:24,090 --> 00:48:28,210 importance of the Big 10 as an inventory piece and the 961 00:48:28,210 --> 00:48:31,690 importance of football. And here you've gone in the 962 00:48:31,690 --> 00:48:37,150 building again, and you've hired a guy who certainly has more 963 00:48:37,150 --> 00:48:40,590 experience than a Walt Bell did. But was he the best solution, 964 00:48:40,590 --> 00:48:42,830 really? And is it really something 965 00:48:42,830 --> 00:48:46,670 where, given the performance of the offense the last two years, 966 00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:50,550 the judgments need to be coming from inside the house as opposed 967 00:48:50,550 --> 00:48:53,550 to new perspective coming from outside the house? 968 00:48:53,830 --> 00:48:56,230 Because that sure seemed to work in 2019. 969 00:48:56,910 --> 00:48:59,230 Go back and like, read the articles and listen to the 970 00:48:59,230 --> 00:49:00,670 podcast. There were a lot of question 971 00:49:00,670 --> 00:49:03,870 marks about I use offense those first two years, and suddenly it 972 00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:06,490 was really good. And now it's not. 973 00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:09,210 You know, there was at least an argument. 974 00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:11,050 Well, Nick Sheridan, that's continuity. 975 00:49:11,290 --> 00:49:14,330 I didn't like that you and I talked at the time about how 976 00:49:14,770 --> 00:49:18,580 Indiana needed to do a national search because you didn't know 977 00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:20,500 if that was really the best candidate. 978 00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:24,420 And here we have another situation where we don't wait 979 00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:28,020 until the end of the season to see Indiana actually doing a 980 00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:29,780 national surge. And people have brought up the 981 00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:32,820 idea that, well, people wouldn't come because Alan might be a 982 00:49:32,820 --> 00:49:34,740 dead man walking. First of all, if that's the 983 00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:37,980 case, that's a much bigger problem the athletic department 984 00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:40,950 needs to deal with head on. I mean, I'm sorry, like if if 985 00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:43,630 it's like, well, we have to hire this guy and give me $100,000 a 986 00:49:43,630 --> 00:49:46,270 year because nobody else will come because they think the head 987 00:49:46,270 --> 00:49:50,710 coach is going to get fired. You might want to do something 988 00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:55,390 about that. But it is, you know, like our 989 00:49:55,390 --> 00:49:56,950 football stadium's on fire every game. 990 00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:59,510 It's like, well, maybe we should oh, that problem as well. 991 00:49:59,510 --> 00:50:02,270 Yes, sorry. But, but you know, putting that 992 00:50:02,270 --> 00:50:08,200 aside, the idea that you are going to, without seeing how 993 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,760 things go with Rod Kerry as the offensive coordinator, you're 994 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,400 just going to hire him on that much of a contract. 995 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,240 And and look, I'm not caught up in the money. 996 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:19,640 I don't The money is the money. The money is, is what it is. 997 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,070 At this point, that's about what you're going to pay for an 998 00:50:22,070 --> 00:50:23,830 offensive coordinator, particularly a guy who's been a 999 00:50:23,830 --> 00:50:26,870 head coach before. But but why make that higher? 1000 00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:28,750 Like you don't have to right now? 1001 00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:30,950 Why not wait? See how the season goes? 1002 00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:34,590 What if the offense goes entirely the opposite direction? 1003 00:50:34,590 --> 00:50:35,990 Like even worse? Like, you know that? 1004 00:50:36,430 --> 00:50:40,630 What if this isn't rock bottom with the offense you've got a 1005 00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:43,830 perfectly acceptable business reason to say look we're going 1006 00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:46,310 to we need the seven games. Let's see how this goes. 1007 00:50:46,310 --> 00:50:48,430 We're going to judge you very lightly but we at least want to 1008 00:50:48,430 --> 00:50:51,190 see how do you deal with the quarterback situation. 1009 00:50:51,390 --> 00:50:52,950 Can you get a running game going. 1010 00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:55,870 Can you get the passing game like working in some way where 1011 00:50:55,870 --> 00:50:58,590 receivers are actually open. Can you fix the offensive line? 1012 00:50:58,590 --> 00:51:02,190 Because I I don't know Scott. All I heard all offseason was 1013 00:51:02,190 --> 00:51:04,430 that Bob boasted had fixed the offensive line. 1014 00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:07,890 And I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I know I don't want to rush to judgment, 1015 00:51:08,050 --> 00:51:10,570 but the offensive line doesn't look like they've really gotten 1016 00:51:10,570 --> 00:51:14,370 fixed too much over last year. It just adds up to a whole bunch 1017 00:51:14,410 --> 00:51:19,370 of trust us or trust Tom. He knows what he's doing based 1018 00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:22,770 on, based on what evidence at this point should we trust the 1019 00:51:22,770 --> 00:51:25,730 judgment. And I know that sounds harsh and 1020 00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:28,850 it's not meant to be a personal or negative thing towards Rob 1021 00:51:28,850 --> 00:51:32,530 Kerry. But I don't know that Indiana's 1022 00:51:32,530 --> 00:51:37,280 in a position where they can roll the dice again without at 1023 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,160 least making an effort to go outside and see who's out there. 1024 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,960 And this idea that people wouldn't come to a Big 10 school 1025 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,120 to to make a mark as an offensive coordinator, even if 1026 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,000 it's just a one year thing. I mean this coaches that get 1027 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,600 fired after one year all the time. 1028 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,960 It's who knows. Tom Allen, I'd like to note, 1029 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,600 came in as a coordinator and got named the head coach at the end 1030 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,640 of that season. You know the the just the 1031 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,120 cognitive dissonance about some of the arguments around this is 1032 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,000 is really bizarre to me. Yeah, it's no, the point that 1033 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,840 you bring up that that is so valid is like you're you're 1034 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,120 creating a possible problem that you don't need to create in that 1035 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,080 by naming him the full offensive coordinator. 1036 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,480 You know. So now one of two things is 1037 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,760 going to happen, like the offense. 1038 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,880 Well, I guess three things. The offense could stay the same, 1039 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,120 which is a problem. The offense could get worse, 1040 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,440 which is a bigger problem. The offense could get better, 1041 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,000 like that's the offense gets better. 1042 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,120 That's great as like, are we worried like? 1043 00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:36,860 Are we worried that, like, the only way the only reason you do 1044 00:52:36,860 --> 00:52:40,180 this is if you're so sure that Kerry's going to turn it around 1045 00:52:40,540 --> 00:52:42,780 to the point that he's going to get hired to become like 1046 00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:46,300 Auburn's offensive coordinator? Like you need to protect it now. 1047 00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:47,540 And it's like, we don't know that. 1048 00:52:47,540 --> 00:52:50,700 And by the way, if that's the case, great. 1049 00:52:50,970 --> 00:52:53,330 Like that. Like, it hasn't happened a lot. 1050 00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:55,370 It happened with the board of the board. 1051 00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:58,050 Like, that's OK, I'll take that as a possibility. 1052 00:52:58,050 --> 00:53:01,370 But you bring like, if the offense stays the same or the 1053 00:53:01,370 --> 00:53:06,130 offense gets worse, you've now created another situation at the 1054 00:53:06,130 --> 00:53:08,010 end of the year. Like, now there's another point 1055 00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:09,570 of like, do we need to fire carry? 1056 00:53:09,570 --> 00:53:11,770 Do we need to discuss this? Like, do we need a new offensive 1057 00:53:11,770 --> 00:53:14,860 coordinator? As opposed to just you could 1058 00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:17,900 have been been like ease it eased into a we're going to open 1059 00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:20,300 the search up without having this big debate because now you 1060 00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:22,260 want you know, for all the talk of like you got to have 1061 00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:23,780 continuity. This is going to be what, 4 1062 00:53:23,780 --> 00:53:27,740 offensive coordinators in 5 1/2 years And if you get to the end 1063 00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:30,420 of the season it's not better. It's well, problem. 1064 00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:32,900 And the last thing I'll say like is a pick on, it's picking on 1065 00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:35,300 Kerry, but it is, hey man, like you said it. 1066 00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:40,270 You and I have done ad nauseam stat breakdowns of how bad the 1067 00:53:40,270 --> 00:53:43,110 offense has been whether it's, you know scoring or points or 1068 00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:45,990 you know, red zone this year, the three years or whatever for 1069 00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:47,790 him to come out. And and again, it's all coach 1070 00:53:47,790 --> 00:53:49,670 speak. But like you picked the wrong 1071 00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:52,550 coach speak button out of your options to come out as a quote 1072 00:53:52,550 --> 00:53:55,630 in the Indy Star. This isn't there's no time to 1073 00:53:55,630 --> 00:53:57,910 make drastic changes. It's going to be the small 1074 00:53:57,910 --> 00:54:00,750 details that are going to add up to the difference is what Kerry 1075 00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:01,430 said. And it's like. 1076 00:54:02,110 --> 00:54:04,710 I think it's time to make drastic changes like you can't 1077 00:54:04,830 --> 00:54:07,550 push the ball in the red zone. Like you're not able to score. 1078 00:54:07,550 --> 00:54:09,270 Like you're not getting Jay and Lucas the ball. 1079 00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:12,990 Like I, if we're making, like, if you're not going to make any 1080 00:54:12,990 --> 00:54:16,070 changes, then let's like, can I call you Walt Bell? 1081 00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:21,470 It's just like it also doesn't jive with what Allen himself has 1082 00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:24,750 said on multiple occasions. We got to evaluate, reevaluate 1083 00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:26,470 everything. So you're just reevaluating 1084 00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:28,430 small things now, not the whole thing. 1085 00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:30,030 I don't get it. I mean the one, the last thing 1086 00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:32,550 I'll say because we want to wrap up before we hit the power mark. 1087 00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:37,470 A lot has been made about Rod Kerry's pedigree and again this 1088 00:54:37,470 --> 00:54:40,390 is a guy who played it I you didn't coach it I you but you 1089 00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:44,750 know he's he's I I have zero question about his passion for I 1090 00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:46,790 U. Football his interest in making 1091 00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:47,470 I U. Football. 1092 00:54:47,470 --> 00:54:50,230 Good. Put that aside for a second. 1093 00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:53,750 If you look at what this is all courtesy of of our friend Taylor 1094 00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:56,510 Layman at Bite Size Bison, like Rod Kerry was the offensive 1095 00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:58,790 coordinator in 2012 at Northern Illinois. 1096 00:54:59,510 --> 00:55:01,550 They had a very good offense that year. 1097 00:55:01,550 --> 00:55:03,150 They had a good offense the previous year. 1098 00:55:03,150 --> 00:55:06,710 They were in that they were in the top quarter of the country 1099 00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:09,350 and SP plus offensive efficiency. 1100 00:55:11,310 --> 00:55:16,870 In 2012 and 2013, they were right around the 75% mark, so 1101 00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:21,190 almost in that upper quartile. By the time Rod Kerry left 1102 00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:25,030 Northern Illinois to go take over Temple, their offensive 1103 00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:29,070 percentile dropped down to about 46%. 1104 00:55:29,460 --> 00:55:33,940 Then it was 47%, then it was 48%, then it was about 40%. 1105 00:55:34,060 --> 00:55:37,620 Then it dropped all the way down in his last year to under 25%. 1106 00:55:38,180 --> 00:55:39,900 That's compared to the rest of the country. 1107 00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:45,660 That's that's that's disturbing. He he also as the head coach at 1108 00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:51,500 Temple, you know when he took over that program, they went 1109 00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:57,380 from a team who's S&P plus percentile on offense was about 1110 00:55:57,380 --> 00:56:02,380 70% in 2018. By the time he left, it was at 1111 00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:05,540 about 8:00 or 9%. I mean, there was significant 1112 00:56:05,540 --> 00:56:08,750 drops in both areas. You know, you can then say, 1113 00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:11,390 well, Rod Kerry had an offensive coordinator at both places. 1114 00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:13,310 That's fine. But then it feels weird that 1115 00:56:13,310 --> 00:56:16,710 we're giving him credit for offenses at both places when the 1116 00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:20,990 actual numbers didn't look that good and tended to trend down 1117 00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:22,510 both of the places that he was at. 1118 00:56:22,830 --> 00:56:25,750 I hope that's not the case here. I sincerely hope that Rod 1119 00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:29,470 Kerry's able to fix this offense up and make it happen and and 1120 00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:32,950 get Indiana back on track because I U has risen and fallen 1121 00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:36,030 in terms of program success based upon who the offensive 1122 00:56:36,030 --> 00:56:37,710 coordinators been and what they've been able to do. 1123 00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:42,910 But I I do think that the statistics don't look great if 1124 00:56:42,910 --> 00:56:45,430 you're just looking at that as evidence that these going to be 1125 00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:49,830 able to come in and do this and larger to the point, it just 1126 00:56:49,830 --> 00:56:51,710 felt like they rushed into something that they didn't need 1127 00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:53,750 to. You could have given him a trial 1128 00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:56,550 and seen if he had the answer and if not you have a 1129 00:56:56,550 --> 00:56:59,430 responsibility as a coach and as a program to go try to find 1130 00:56:59,430 --> 00:57:03,190 their best person to do the job. And it's just really hard for me 1131 00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:06,470 and you, I think, and I think other people in the fan base to 1132 00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:09,710 accept that of all the people who could potentially be in this 1133 00:57:09,710 --> 00:57:11,110 role, that would be the best for the job. 1134 00:57:11,110 --> 00:57:13,910 They just happened to be down the hallway as a quality control 1135 00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:15,390 coach. Now I'm gonna say like, I mean, 1136 00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:17,750 you mentioned, you know, De Boer coming in like that was a high 1137 00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:19,910 point. Like, you know, this much more 1138 00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:21,150 at the top of your head than I do. 1139 00:57:21,150 --> 00:57:25,190 Like, are there any other times that we've promoted from within 1140 00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:28,870 in the coordinator position where it was a glaring success? 1141 00:57:30,330 --> 00:57:32,370 Like either offensive or defensive side of the ball. 1142 00:57:32,370 --> 00:57:33,730 And I'm not knocking. I mean, we haven't. 1143 00:57:33,730 --> 00:57:37,410 Had a lot of like a lot of great successes with coordinators 1144 00:57:37,410 --> 00:57:39,650 period. So thing is like normally when 1145 00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:42,050 you don't have a lot of great success, you also aren't like 1146 00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:45,210 great success downstream. But it's like I would look at 1147 00:57:45,210 --> 00:57:48,370 that and be like, hey, we're kind of having trouble all over 1148 00:57:48,370 --> 00:57:51,850 the, all over the board like we we might need some fresh new 1149 00:57:51,850 --> 00:57:54,050 ideas. I just look at it from the point 1150 00:57:54,050 --> 00:57:58,250 again you've locked in where you have, you know probably a 70% 1151 00:57:58,250 --> 00:58:00,280 chance. Again, based on the three 1152 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,160 outcomes of things getting better, staying the same, 1153 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:07,000 getting worse of having another really like divisive decision to 1154 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,360 make at the end of the season, all because you made a decision 1155 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,960 now you don't have to fine, promote Kerry, make a mentor, 1156 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,280 make him the office coordinator, give him a one year contract, 1157 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,200 like have it end this year. And then you have a natural 1158 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,240 point where it's not contentious. 1159 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,200 There's no firing, there's no having to pay extra. 1160 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,320 You can make the decision. If he's great, hire him again. 1161 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,680 And yeah, on that note, we're going to wrap up. 1162 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,280 Yeah, please. 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