1 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,760 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:21,360 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,720 Galen Clavio joining you along with Scott Caulfield. 4 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,560 It is Saturday the the 25th of January. 5 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,240 It's hard to believe that we find ourselves almost at the end 6 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:38,400 of the month, but here we are and we are ready to talk some IU 7 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,000 football. We had Taylor Lehman on earlier 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,800 on this week to talk some of the XS and OS and we're going to 9 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,560 talk about some of the other questions that you folks brought 10 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,600 to us via Twitter or via the back home network discord. 11 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,440 Scott, before we get started, great to see you. 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,680 We've already had one costume change this morning as we showed 13 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,960 up wearing the same hoodie. So I'm I've I've reverted to my 14 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:02,040 let's shock the world fairly Dickinson T-shirt. 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:02,920 How are you doing today? I'm. 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,879 Good. It's a probably happens once or 17 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,160 twice a year. I mean, it's something something 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,960 we all deal with. It's something it's a home field 19 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:09,760 problem. Just, you know, show up with the 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,000 say the Spider Man memes. As as as many thousands of 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:18,200 different things are in the home field storefront online, you're 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,600 eventually like you'll have that moment where you wear the same 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,720 thing as somebody else. It's actually it's a big problem 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,200 here in town our our buddy IU artifacts who chimes in 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,200 occasionally on the show. We've got to have this thing 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,400 before we show up at a place to go watch IU to make sure we're 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,360 not both wearing like the never daunted hoodie. 28 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,120 It's it's an issue. It almost to the point I feel 29 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,560 like we need some kind of online check in system among friend 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,760 groups related specifically to home field apparel where someone 31 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,680 gets to reserve. You might have to do it like 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,680 weeks in advance. Like you know, the weekend of 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,920 February 8th, I'm going to be wearing the bison hoodie and 34 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,200 nobody else. Can and it all sounds great, 35 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,680 another social media platform until like 2 years from now, 36 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,400 people are ranting about politics on the home field check 37 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,240 in and then it should be shut down. 38 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,400 And it's like, I'm going to white sky to get, you know, 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,440 whatever, like blue sky to get my new, my new home field white 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:11,800 sky. Well, I, I was thinking like at 41 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,840 that point, blue Sky's done. So like you have a new color 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,240 like red sky or green sky. It's I'm going to the new app. 43 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Like that's where you can go to just check in your home. 44 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Field without any political discourse and then it just keeps 45 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,760 keeps propagating over and over again yeah it's the nature of of 46 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,360 human beings to make all of their discourse completely 47 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,640 intolerable after a certain period of time anyway Speaking 48 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:31,880 of home field they are presenting sponsor not just for 49 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,600 us but the entire back home network and. 50 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,000 We think you should go visit them, use the code home 23 and 51 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,320 get 15% off your first order and got the last like I I got 52 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,840 another. I don't need another hoodie like 53 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,400 I need a hole in, you know, like I need a hole in the head. 54 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,400 But the the College Football Playoff stuff is leaving their 55 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,040 site, I think Monday. And so I was like, I'm like, OK, 56 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,120 I'll look at it again. It's like, oh, that was, that 57 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,640 was fun. And like, I, I've always 58 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,960 believed like if your team wins a title or you get there, like 59 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,160 buy as much stuff as you can. And so I, I did and I bought two 60 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,360 more hoodies. There you go. 61 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,840 It's we talked about that on the last show. 62 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,160 Do that, folks, if you're an IU fan, or if you're an SMU fan, or 63 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,680 if you're a fan of any of the teams that made the. 64 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,520 College Football Playoff. Go get that stuff before it's 65 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,160 gone, because you'll want to have had it at some point, even 66 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,160 if the loss still stings. And of course, there's thousands 67 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,240 of other options on the Home Field Apparel website, so go 68 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,600 check them out again, Home Field apparel.com, your place to go 69 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,160 for the finest in college fashions. 70 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,880 Also, folks, just a reminder, Back Home Network's going to be 71 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,560 back home again in Indiana. I'm already here. 72 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,120 But the rest of the Back Home Networks coming back to Indiana, 73 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,600 or at least the vast majority of it on the 8th of February will 74 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,920 be at the upstairs pub starting at about noon. 75 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:50,840 IU plays Michigan that day. If you were at the event last 76 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,680 year, we had a lot of fun. We, Scott and I did a live show 77 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,560 at upstairs during that Penn State game that went great, let 78 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,040 me tell you. But we had a great time seeing 79 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,200 everybody. So hopefully you folks are going 80 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,640 to be back in town and we'll get to hang out with you at the 81 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,240 upstairs pub. We'll have more information 82 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,200 coming up here soon. 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We'll have 1 today as we talk a 97 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,360 little bit about IU men's basketball, big game and a 98 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:59,560 potentially interesting home environment coming up tomorrow 99 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,040 as they host the Maryland Terrapins. 100 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,560 So we'll check all that out coming up here in our VIP video. 101 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,000 That's a good reason to subscribe. 102 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,440 So anyway, Scott, we put out a call to the peoples and asked 103 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,720 them if they would send us questions about IU football 104 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,760 'cause we get so many people in our comments now, they're like, 105 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,080 I wish this was a football podcast again. 106 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,320 It's like we are planning on continuing to cover football. 107 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,040 I promise you folks, throughout the course of the spring as we 108 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,560 get updates, a little bit of a quiet period right now as the 109 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,000 season's over. Things have settled down quite a 110 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,960 bit in terms of transfer portal movement. 111 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,360 Still some stuff floating around there. 112 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,440 We've got, you know, there, there may be a lineman or two 113 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,920 that Indiana might be able to pull in. 114 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,400 I don't want to get ahead of myself, but that's where we're 115 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,520 at with everything. And we will be continuing to 116 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,040 talk about football. We've got questions that we 117 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,640 wanted to, to dive into and so we'll go ahead and get to that 118 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:59,520 right now, Scott, I, I guess maybe before we get started, as 119 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,920 we go in and talk about football and talk about some of the 120 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,680 changes, Let's start with the big one, which is the season 121 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,640 ticket alterations. We got emails that came out. 122 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,880 I've gotten a lot of messages about this Indiana instituting a 123 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,000 personal seat donation on top of the regular ticket cost. 124 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,640 This is something that a lot of folks, you know, have have 125 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:25,440 questioned and a lot of people, Hunter Schultz asked this 126 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,480 question, you know where your season tickets are located. 127 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,960 You'll be charged a mandatory donation of somewhere between 128 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,880 zero and $250 a ticket. The question that I've heard 129 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,280 from a lot of people, why not just include this in the season 130 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:39,760 ticket fee up front? So there's a couple of things I 131 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:45,400 think that are worth noting. First of all, we've been very 132 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,880 lucky to have not had personal seat donations as part of the IU 133 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,120 football ticketing experience. And it's largely been because of 134 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,400 the lack of market demand for IU football tickets or just kind of 135 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,400 the general lack of place within the IU sporting culture for 136 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,520 football. As we've talked about many times 137 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,720 on this show, this is the norm in most places. 138 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,200 I think this is, I think I use like the 14th school in the Big 139 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,520 10 to adopt this particular pricing model. 140 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,520 It's very similar to personal seat licenses as you see in the 141 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,160 pro game. And it's one of those things 142 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,000 where it looks like, wow, why am I being charged this extra 143 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,400 money? And a lot of people like, why 144 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,400 isn't it just wrapped up in the, in the ticket price? 145 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,480 A lot of that's accounting. A lot of that is, you know, when 146 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,560 it's a donation, even though it's not tax deductible, it does 147 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,360 count in a different way in terms of, of how you can apply 148 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,040 it. If you look at the fine print of 149 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,120 the personal seat donation, it's, it's the varsity club 150 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,480 payment that we're all very used to, which has been largely 151 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,600 voluntary. It's been largely point accrual 152 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,000 based. Are you going to a system that a 153 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,960 lot of basically all the schools that are taking football 154 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,480 seriously from a financial perspective we're using, it is a 155 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,000 bit jarring, but it's also, Scott, just kind of one of those 156 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,960 things that happens in the industry And there are 157 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,400 accounting reasons why they set it up this way. 158 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,360 And I'm not here to defend it per SE, but I will say that even 159 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,200 with the highest ticket price and the highest personal seat 160 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,840 donation price, I think the most expensive ticket in the house is 161 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,840 like $720, which is remarkably cheap compared to the total cost 162 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,040 you would be paying at most other schools that have good 163 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,480 football programs. Yeah. 164 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,000 I mean, you, you hit on a lot of those pieces that, you know, 165 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,080 it's, there's a reason why they didn't just increase ticket 166 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,520 prices. And also, I mean, that would be 167 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,040 jarring too. Like if your ticket price just 168 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,000 went, you know, from whatever it is, you just add $250 to your 169 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,640 ticket price. Like that's, that's very 170 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:36,960 jarring. That's a big move up. 171 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,640 But but it's, it's internal accountings and way the ways 172 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,080 they can use that money. And like having been a donor to 173 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,840 the Varsity club for years, I know that, you know, the Varsity 174 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,240 club always prefers money that's donated without attachments to 175 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,400 it. You can donate money and say, I 176 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,560 want this to go to baseball or I want this to go to student 177 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:54,280 athletes. You know, the minute you say I 178 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,840 want this money to do this, it hampers what the Varsity Club is 179 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,240 able to do with it. They want money that they can do 180 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,760 whatever they want with it and it just becomes money and that's 181 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,120 what they want. And that so that is, you know, 182 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,400 it's not ticket sales. This is just, you know, slush 183 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,000 fund money isn't the right way. But the other thing to look at 184 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,120 is you look at, you know, and I'm just doing some very basic 185 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,480 math here. Fun times. 186 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,680 You know, if you figure there's 30,000 seats in the stadium that 187 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:23,640 are going to get a personal seat donation and the average 188 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,680 donation's 150 bucks, just kind of round numbers, that's four 189 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:28,760 and a half million dollars. Like that's why you do this, 190 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,560 because it's real quick. Some people are going to be 191 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:33,960 annoyed. I I assume less than 1% of 192 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,600 people are like, well, that's too much after last season, I'm 193 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,600 not doing it. You know, if you figure there's, 194 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,600 you know, what is it like 4000 tickets in the $250 range, 195 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,080 that's $1,000,000. Like This is why you do that. 196 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,120 It's money that's thrown in there. 197 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,280 What what I thought was interesting is, as you say, in 198 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,560 the professional sports, a lot of times you get a person, a 199 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,280 personal seat license. And that that word is different 200 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,760 than a personal seat donation because a personal seat license 201 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,760 normally means that you're licensing that seat and that 202 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:06,120 becomes your seat. A personal seat donation is 203 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,840 something that means you're doing this every single year. 204 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,320 So this is going to happen every year. 205 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,440 And I think that's important because the thing that I've 206 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,120 been, they're also doing this year, which is different. 207 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,880 It's not wrapped up in this, but it kind of is, is they're 208 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,560 reseating the entire stadium for the first time in probably 5 or 209 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:28,000 6 years, which again, I'm for because for all the people who 210 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 are complaining about, well, I've had these seats for years. 211 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,440 This is where my family goes. It's like this is not the Indy 212 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,120 500. Like look at Assembly Hall. 213 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,840 They reseat that every single year because it's a, it's the 214 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,920 number one, you know, event ticket. 215 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,000 They're selling as it as a brand and they weren't able to do it 216 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,080 with football and now they are. So I think you're going to see 217 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,160 these two things happening every year. 218 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,920 You're not only going to reseat every year, but you're getting a 219 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,520 personal seat donation every year. 220 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,240 But they would have called like a five year license. 221 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,040 Then maybe they're not receding for five years. 222 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,040 But I mean, both of those things are not like awesome. 223 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,000 But it it, it is the the next step of an evolution of a 224 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,800 program that, you know, as you and I, you say like it's taking 225 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,520 football seriously. Yeah, and, and look, I get 226 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,040 people being like, why am I being asked to pay all this 227 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,640 extra money? And I guess the question is 228 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,000 like, where do you think the money comes from in college 229 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,960 athletics? And and you, who are you 230 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,240 competing with now? So let me use Tennessee as an 231 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,600 example. Tennessee actually had, I think 232 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,080 what most people would say was a relatively inexpensive season 233 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,320 ticket compared to some of their their competitors in the SEC. 234 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,760 If you look at their price breakdown, I think it was for 235 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,360 this past year. You know, if you take, if we 236 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,360 take away like the club seating, the the premium stuff, let's 237 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:47,240 let's just go to like a the Bleacher seats in the West 238 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,080 sideline of Neyland Stadium. The tickets are $450 apiece, 239 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,640 which I believe is more is less was more expensive than all but 240 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,080 one of the the categories in the IU one like the the most 241 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,160 expensive, the tier ones, which are basically 567 and eight or 242 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:08,920 25262728 basically the 50 yard line on either side. 243 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,360 Those are $476 per ticket. All the blue seats around and 244 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,200 above those, which are the next best seats in terms of sight 245 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,800 lines, are 441. So you've already dropped below 246 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,320 what Tennessee is charging you for season tickets with that to 247 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,200 get those tickets, those sideline Bleacher tickets, the 248 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:31,520 equivalent in Neeland Stadium, the contribution is $1050. 249 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,760 So the, and that's per ticket. So you're actually talking about 250 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,520 a $1500 ticket. So you're paying even for the 251 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:42,000 best seats in Memorial Stadium, less or just about half of what 252 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,880 you would be paying for the exact same seat there. 253 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,200 Now you've, you're talking about a, you know, Tennessee's had 254 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,440 sustained success. Indiana, this is their first 255 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,400 year where they've really been like this level of successful. 256 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,280 So I'm not that concerned about the, the, the increase there. 257 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,440 And, and as you can see, like you could talk about, well, why 258 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,120 don't we wrap this up in the ticket price. 259 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,360 You can see that the industry standard here is that we don't 260 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,400 do that. I know this sounds like I'm 261 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,680 like, like justifying it, but it's just like this is the 262 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:12,400 business reality to me. It's more of a surprise we 263 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,320 didn't have this system before. Well, and also like, think of 264 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,280 this kind of like you, how you pay real estate taxes in 265 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,400 Indiana, you pay in the arrears like this is you're kind of 266 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,080 paying for last year's performance. 267 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,440 Like, you know, they, they had a great year last year and now 268 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:25,480 it's like, all right, we can do this. 269 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,720 This is kind of like you're paying the 2024 tax, taxes in, 270 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,800 in April of 2025. You know, this is this is what 271 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:32,920 you're paying for that performance. 272 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,960 I mean, honestly, you know, I will say this point not getting 273 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,040 us off track, but like, if you're going to be more annoyed 274 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,480 at payments for production, you should be more annoyed at what 275 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,200 you're paying in varsity club donations and what you get 276 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,000 priority points wise for IU basketball over the last 20 277 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,360 years. Like that's, that's what's 278 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,760 always been more frustrating to me is like, you know, if IU 279 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,840 football goes out and does another 2 and 10 like they did 280 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,600 after the 20 in the 2021 season, then, yeah, like, I'm going to 281 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:58,760 be slightly annoyed the way this happened. 282 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,960 But again, I, I do look at this as as kind of, you know, in the 283 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,480 rears first thing, because IU was in a spot like, I'm sure 284 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,680 they wanted to do this for a couple of years. 285 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,480 They just needed a good season to do it. 286 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,880 They got it and now they're doing it. 287 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,440 I mean, it's not going to go away. 288 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:15,800 Now comes the, you know, performance has to kind of keep 289 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,880 up with this. But as you said, I'm on, I'm in 290 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,920 the same boat. I'm not here to defend it, but 291 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,520 it's like, you know, an extra 200 bucks. 292 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,200 You know, my, my seats are in, you know, Section 8. 293 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,360 We're in the blue section of the map, which I still think are 294 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,040 fantastic seats. Like even if I had the 295 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,360 opportunity to move, I'm not sure I would like, I kind of 296 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,720 like where I'm sitting and I'm not in the premium 250 ticket, 297 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,880 you know, so it's 200. We have 4 tickets. 298 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,720 That's the decision that I make to get 4 tickets. 299 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,840 It's 800 bucks. Like, all right, that's not 300 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,920 awesome. But I, I also donate to the 301 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,320 Varsity Club. So, you know, maybe I, I slick a 302 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,160 little bit off of that and move this up there. 303 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,280 It's like, it's not, it's not a ton for an entire season ticket, 304 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:55,680 you know? Yeah. 305 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,960 Well, an. Entire season ticket and you 306 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,560 know, I, I, Yeah. Anyway. 307 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,720 I'm I'm just thrilled my the place I like to get my tickets 308 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,000 is in the yellow. So I'm I'm in an even better 309 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,240 spot. We'll see how that actually 310 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,000 plays out when they do the seat reord. 311 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,080 And the thing that I would all, sorry, the other thing that I 312 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,200 would say is it would be frustrating if it didn't look 313 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,440 like Indiana was using this money to try and better the 314 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,600 program, But they are, I mean, I listened to your, your podcast 315 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,840 with Taylor Layman and was like blown away when you guys were 316 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,680 talking about the, I mean, I knew the salaries had gone up 317 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,200 with the salary of our defensive coordinator where it's like like 318 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,400 $2,000,000, like it'll be in the top, you know, 10 in the country 319 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,480 in a year or two. And it's like, oh, and like, you 320 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,400 know, you see what they're doing, they're trying, you know, 321 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,440 some, some premium seating on the ground level. 322 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:40,880 They're having better concessions. 323 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,240 You know, you keep hearing about how we're, you know, top ten in 324 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,760 the country and NIL like, and and they're you know, they're 325 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,440 they're paying Sidetti, they're getting good coaches like across 326 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,120 the board. We look at IU football. 327 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,600 There's no real area. You can say what it looks like. 328 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,960 They're just lining their pockets and not using this to 329 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,720 make the program better. Like they are using this money 330 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,960 very effectively to push this program forward. 331 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,360 So, as you said, like, yes, they get a lot of money from the big 332 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,320 10 network, but this also just needs to come from the donor 333 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:06,960 base. So I'm. 334 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,360 I'm OK doing it because I'm a fan, I'm part of the process, 335 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,760 and it does look like the people who are in charge of the money 336 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,000 are putting it to really good and effective use. 337 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,440 The other thing I'll say is that what's hovering over all of this 338 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,440 is this NIL settlement and the idea that you're going to have 339 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,760 to move that within the confines of the athletic department. 340 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,720 I mean, we don't know. There's legal challenges to it. 341 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,440 There's going to be some questions about how all this 342 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,560 plays out, but the reality is every athletic departments 343 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,240 having to prepare for a future where they're going to have to 344 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,280 pay for the NIL payments internally. 345 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,680 And there's only a certain number of levers you can pull, 346 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,640 like the money doesn't just materialize. 347 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,800 It's why you're starting to hear about sports getting sunset at 348 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,680 other schools. That will continue. 349 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,760 And unfortunately, until there's a sane group of rules that are 350 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,000 instituted in college football, which does not appear to be 351 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,800 coming anytime soon, you're going to continue to see these 352 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,440 kinds of things because it's unfortunately just kind of the 353 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,480 way the business has been allowed to conduct itself in 354 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,920 general. And IU is put into a position 355 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,400 that all the other schools are where you have to adapt to it. 356 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,599 There's not really much of A, there's not much else you can do 357 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:17,480 about it anyway. Let's let's move on to other 358 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,440 questions. So we had a bunch of questions 359 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,319 about the stadium. Ryan asks, what are your hopes 360 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:26,760 for the renovations to Memorial Stadium? 361 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,280 How much would you want the seating capacity to increase? 362 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,560 We've talked about this on the show before, but there, you 363 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:33,480 know, there's been a bunch of talk. 364 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,920 Alex asks what might, what might the East Stadium club look like? 365 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,640 He also asked about the season ticket donations. 366 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,080 I've, I've been saying this for a while and, you know, we get a 367 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:50,920 lot of questions about the, the nature of the stadium with it. 368 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,600 We, we've heard there's going to be renovations. 369 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,640 I think, you know, first and foremost the biggest things that 370 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,920 I would like to see and, and this actually answers Patrick's 371 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,120 question as well of what changes do you want to see to the game 372 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:06,560 day experience, get the lights and the sound up to standards. 373 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,880 You know, you look at a lot of these other stadiums, they've 374 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,680 got the cool light effects coming in. 375 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,800 They've got much better sound systems than what a Memorial 376 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,200 Stadium has been able to provide. 377 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:18,240 One of the things about this season that was an interesting 378 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,000 proof of concepts to me was getting a chance to hear what 379 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,880 Memorial Stadium sounded like with a full stadium of IU fans 380 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,280 at maximum volume. And what we discovered is that 381 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,080 Memorial Stadium is actually a pretty cool little stadium in 382 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,440 the big scheme of things. It, it gets loud, it's, it 383 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,040 contains sound. Well, I, I don't, I mean, what 384 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,960 really you think what they, they enclosed the stadium into a bowl 385 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,800 configuration in what, 2017 or thereabouts. 386 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:53,280 It was somewhere in that range. And then we really hadn't had an 387 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,240 extended period of time where we could see what that was like. 388 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,920 And it's, it's funny, the number of people like on the, on the 389 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,600 college football subreddit who would see the stadium on 390 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,160 television and they'd be like, that's a neat stadium. 391 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,640 That's actually kind of a cool little design that you've got 392 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,200 going there. You know it even in the, the 393 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,600 college football game, I see a lot of people in those forums 394 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,560 talking about like how Memorial Stadiums, one of their 395 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,520 underrated stadiums, never thought these things would be 396 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,640 talked about in relation to Memorial Stadium. 397 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,840 Never, not once. But the question about capacity, 398 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,480 you know, so the Mora Stadium if you round up seats about 53,000, 399 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,960 I don't know. I, I do not think you want to go 400 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,040 down the road of expanding it at this point. 401 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,200 I think what you need to do is establish and and solidify 402 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,440 demand in terms of regular seating. 403 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,720 I do think that what you need to do is add additional premium 404 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,040 seating and when you get past the lights and the sound and 405 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,880 that kind of like general atmosphere stuff, premium 406 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,200 seating is probably the easiest thing to add in terms of an 407 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,680 architectural thing. And I would love to see them 408 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,160 setting something up on the east side as as was mentioned up 409 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,400 above the seating section. It's a really good spot for like 410 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,200 kind of the beginnings of the second deck. 411 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:09,120 You build a string of luxury boxes up there. 412 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,400 You put yourself in a position now where you're able to 413 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,600 generate a bunch more revenue you. 414 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,160 You make the stadium look a little bit cooler, especially if 415 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,720 you do it right in terms of how you like the color that you set 416 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,360 those things at. And you know, if they're, if 417 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,160 it's some kind of a glass and limestone combo that fits in 418 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,480 with the motif of the rest of the stadium to me, like that 419 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:34,000 combined with a real hard look at that press box that looks 420 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,560 like something out of a model train kit at this point. 421 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,520 Like that's got to get fixed as far as I'm concerned. 422 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,920 Like that's got to look more modern and something that 423 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,280 celebrates what heritage Indiana does have. 424 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,480 You know, you look at some other stadiums and they've got 425 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,360 whatever bowl victories that they've had or whatever, like 426 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,640 playoff appearances they've had recognized in the stadium. 427 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,360 People should walk into Memorial Stadium and not just be excited 428 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:00,040 by the atmosphere in the crowd, but they should also be able to 429 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,080 get some kind of sense of the heritage of the football team. 430 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:04,880 What? And I know Indiana doesn't have 431 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,560 a lot, but there is some they've they've had draft picks, they've 432 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,040 had NFL players that have done well. 433 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,600 They have won some bowl games. They've been to some some big 434 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,000 bowl games. Like all of those things 435 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,400 combined. I think you're you're not going 436 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,080 to get all of that within this upcoming year. 437 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,840 But as we look at the next couple of years, that's what I 438 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,880 would like to see, not a stadium seating expansion. 439 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,080 I don't think they need that yet. 440 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,920 Yeah, you took a lot of the good stuff. 441 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,240 Sorry, I mean I'm going to have to re restate. 442 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,000 I can't come up with more because a lot of the things I 443 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,200 was writing down and thought about you you took. 444 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,280 But I agree with you. Like the thing with we talked 445 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,400 about it a lot this season. I agree. 446 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,600 Like an expansion would be fun and like going to 7080 thousand 447 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,320 would be cool. Hey, I'm not sure we can meet 448 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,360 that demand yet. But also, as we talked about, 449 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,200 you know, what makes the stadium cool and fun I think is that 450 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,560 it's a little bit smaller, it's a little bit more intimate. 451 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,800 But it, you know, we're never going to scare other teams in 452 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,400 the Big 10. Like Michigan's never going to 453 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,440 be intimidated by coming into Memorial Stadium, even if we 454 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,560 expand to 80,000, because it's like, OK, you're still not Penn 455 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,040 State. You're still, you're never going 456 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,240 to catch up to those guys. That's a fool's errand. 457 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,600 We we buoy our team up and we can do that with the size of our 458 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,080 stadium now. So I agree with you like not 459 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,280 expanding would be there. I I was thinking, you know, when 460 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,360 I saw this too, premium seating because I was lucky enough to to 461 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,880 be have a game, the Maryland game where I was down on, you 462 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,640 know, the South end zone on the field and they have like, you 463 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,160 know, I think 12 little field suites down there. 464 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,920 It's really cool, but it does very much feel like I used to 465 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,840 joke. You know, we we have access to 466 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,160 like a a room during the game as a varsity club member. 467 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,720 It's in the excellent center. Now before that it used to be in 468 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,080 like the bowels of Memorial Stadium and you would walk down 469 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,560 these stairs and there's like exposed wires and I was like, 470 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,840 this is where you're sending your premium donors is through 471 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,520 this like hall of death. It felt like like I'm in the 472 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,000 middle of a saw video. The, the premium seating down 473 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,200 there is nice, but you know, it's, it's, it's temporary, like 474 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,360 they, they are temporary stands, temporary tents. 475 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:14,200 They have little fridges and food and you can like you can 476 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,920 sneak in back into the stadium to get to an area where they're 477 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,080 serving drinks and food. But it all feels very, this is 478 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,520 not what it was meant to be built for. 479 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,960 So I agree with you. And I think those premium type 480 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,200 seats, you know, back to the money thing, they bring in 481 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,880 another money revenue, but those are ones that I don't think 482 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,760 would be hard to fill with some of the corporate sponsors in the 483 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,880 Bloomington in the area. You look at what they did at 484 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,160 Assembly Hall, that little area, you know, the, the premium CD 485 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,040 area they had is not huge. I've never seen that like not 486 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,160 full like even for games where it's there's not a lot of 487 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,440 people, a ton of people were there. 488 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,840 So I, I agree with you on that. I agree on the lights. 489 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,360 I think that would be cool. I had heard that when Indiana 490 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:53,160 last put in their LED lights, it was like an extra 50K to get the 491 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,800 ones that turn off and on and we didn't, we didn't do it. 492 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,920 It's like that was that was a mistake because it would be cool 493 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,440 to have that. I think having that kind of 494 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,280 light show would be cool. I love the idea of, we had 495 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,040 talked about it earlier in the season, the East side is where 496 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,480 you have expansion growth because I, I love the idea of 497 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,800 kind of covering up the top of, of, of Assembly Hall a little 498 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,840 bit on those shots when they go out and it just becomes the IU 499 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,560 football thing. But I also think, you know, I, 500 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,680 I, I do think, you know, if you build something more permanent 501 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:24,960 for premium seating at field level, I think that would be 502 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,160 cool. But I do think it needs to be 503 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,400 more permanent on the South side and same thing on the north 504 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:29,720 side. The north side has a ton of 505 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,000 extra room over there and you have like a little, a little 506 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,960 spot there with like the ROTC. That's nice. 507 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,280 That still feels, you know, you can I I think that that north 508 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,560 side end zone is a lot of room to to build something permanent. 509 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,240 And whether it's a tunnel that fans or, you know, students are 510 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,120 near when the team comes out or something like right now, it 511 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,240 kind of just becomes a catch all of like, well, that's where the 512 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,080 band's going to wait and we'll have a little ROTC, which I love 513 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,560 the ROTC, but we have them over there. 514 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,520 We have like couple cheerleaders like it's just kind of this this 515 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,520 mishmatch of like that's what we'll throw stuff. 516 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,520 We're not sure where it goes. It becomes like the junk drawer 517 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,960 of the of Memorial Stadium. So I think something on that 518 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,280 side there you could do a lot of very cool, you know, low level 519 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,360 premium seating, which is interesting like something you 520 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:13,680 don't see a lot of in college, you see a lot in NFL stadiums, 521 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,720 you don't see a lot in college football stadium. 522 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,400 So it could be a nice addition having, you know, some very 523 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,000 permanent high level, like premium suite level seating in a 524 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,440 college football arena. Scott's number one priority is 525 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,360 not sitting with the normal fans. 526 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,240 He he wants to be. He's kind of one game. 527 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,600 I got lucky, had a friend, My God, you were like you're 528 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,080 sitting on top of the Excellence Academy for an entire season. 529 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,040 The Scott Caulfield like a wine tasting suite is going to be a 530 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,800 tremendous feature of the 2030 Memorial Stadium that we're 531 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,160 going. To good for it. 532 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,680 My personal seat donation is huge. 533 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,400 But yeah, it's great. I'm I'm fascinated with the 534 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,120 bidding war that Oliver Winery and Butler Winery are going to 535 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,520 have over having you as their their primary. 536 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,000 It's going to be amazing. Really looking forward to it 537 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,240 anyway. No, I think all those are good 538 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,560 points. And look ultimately. 539 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,720 Personal Scott license like it's just geez. 540 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,680 Wow, I know I'm I'm actually sad that that idea has been put in 541 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,520 your head. Now I'm we're never going to 542 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,800 hear the end of it. No, but ultimately, and we had 543 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,240 another question or two about the game day atmosphere and what 544 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,800 we'd like to to see change. I got to be honest, I thought 545 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,120 the game day atmosphere this year was really good, you know, 546 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,520 and and the, the tailgate atmosphere is really fun. 547 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:31,280 And for, you know, as much as the tailgating scene has been 548 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,160 criticized as an obstacle to people coming in and watching 549 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,560 IU, as it turns out, the obstacle was bad football, not 550 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,680 the tailgate scene. People wanted to be in the 551 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,160 stadium. People stayed in the stadium 552 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,880 when the team was good. That's that's how the paradigm 553 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,120 works. And I think that you're going to 554 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:53,240 see more of that, you know, the in stadium stuff again, I think 555 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,200 some cooler presentational items would be good. 556 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:57,960 You know, I think the stuff they're doing with the field 557 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,600 Mike is good. I'd like to see the on field 558 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,520 promotions get better because it just feels and it's, it's a 559 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,560 problem with all on field promotions everywhere. 560 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,040 Like there's just only so many of them. 561 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,680 And after a while, once you've seen them, they get really dull, 562 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,240 you know, So I think doing some more things there to try to, to 563 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,480 fix it up, it would be a good idea. 564 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,440 But you know, the, the video board presentation, I think is, 565 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,560 is really nicely done. The, there was so much great 566 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,600 work done in terms of concession lines this last year. 567 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,360 There's so many better options in terms of food now than there 568 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,200 were before. I mean, so many strides were 569 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,880 made this year for those of you who get off the concession 570 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,480 stuff. But you know, I, I didn't 571 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,680 mention it because I agree with you. 572 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,560 It's gotten so much better. There's so many more options. 573 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,280 They've added a couple of the quick checkout stands, which are 574 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,040 fantastic. Just the grab and goes, which 575 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,680 really helps out and having been to a game at, you know, Notre 576 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,280 Dame Stadium, which was awesome. I've been, we said afterwards, 577 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,560 like there was just lines everywhere. 578 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,320 Like the line in the bathroom was 25 minutes. 579 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,600 The line to get food was like 30 minutes. 580 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,720 Everything was a line, at least in the upper level. 581 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,360 You know, I used to joke that was always a problem, like 582 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:02,280 Memorial Stadium couldn't handle a full capacity. 583 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,480 That wasn't the case last year. And I think we talked about it 584 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,720 multiple times that you'd walk around in a full game. 585 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,160 It's like this is actually running pretty smoothly. 586 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,120 And but yes, there's going to be some lines when it's a full 587 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,160 stadium, but it it really isn't that bad. 588 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,920 So I agree with that and on the on field promotion, I agree with 589 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,320 that. The thing that I like I talked 590 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,040 to Jeremy Gray about it earlier in the year. 591 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,200 My only big thing that like their game day experience is you 592 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,720 have a moment there between the 3rd and the fourth quarter now, 593 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,400 like do something like, let's come up with something cool. 594 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,640 Like at UCLA, they played California, they had a light 595 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,560 show that was cool. And you know, jump around in in 596 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,760 Wisconsin, like these things take time. 597 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,000 You know, they tried kind of the the under eight time out from 598 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,800 basketball to port that over. That didn't work, although I'm 599 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,840 still not sure why. Like they didn't give that 600 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,480 enough time in my mind. But like right now they're 601 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,720 playing like We Will Rock you. And it's like just I'm just like 602 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,280 that's also not like we just need something and and make it 603 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,640 stick. But I I would just say being at 604 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,080 the game for that, it's not like that's that's sticking you. 605 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,960 You have a moment there to do something cool. 606 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,720 I'm, I'm, I'm generally with you, but I think these things 607 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,280 will happen organically over time. 608 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,200 I don't, I don't think you try to pick something and stick with 609 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,440 it. I think you try a few different 610 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,200 things and see what ends up being fun. 611 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,600 I mean, the reason the William Tell Overture didn't work 612 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,400 between the third and fourth quarters is, is it's it doesn't 613 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,160 scale to a football environment. It just doesn't. 614 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,720 I mean, it's it's kind. And I look, I'm one of those 615 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,640 rare people who I'm like, I'm kind of done with the William 616 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,120 Tell Overture thing. It's fine. 617 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,440 But I've been watching it my whole life get. 618 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,640 To your vote, I'm bringing it to football then if you're out on 619 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,840 it. Well, I mean, I think I think my 620 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,680 vote matters. There's, there's surely other. 621 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,000 It's kind of like when we talk about the rotation of songs that 622 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,960 get played and it's like the the that should probably be 623 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,200 broadened, you know, because after a while you go to these 624 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,280 games over and over again. Some people love the same thing 625 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,480 over and over again. I admittedly am not one of those 626 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,960 people. I like some variety. 627 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,080 I like to spice it up a little bit, you know, And so that's 628 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,800 that's where I'm coming from with that it and it's maybe 629 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,040 that's a hot take. I don't know. 630 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,560 But I think for football, not only does the William Tell thing 631 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,240 not scale, but I also think that's a basketball thing. 632 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,000 That will always be a basketball thing. 633 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,520 There's other things that can be done with football. 634 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,040 Let's see what they can come up with. 635 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,960 But I would say let's use this year to to trial some stuff and 636 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,880 figure out like what's going to get the best reaction, What 637 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,400 feels the most organic to the the emerging burgeoning culture 638 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,200 of IU football internally? I'd rather it came out of. 639 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,160 That so we'll see what happened something this year, like you 640 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,800 have the talents like so I hope my my hope is, and I'm assuming 641 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,800 it's going to happen like you have towels at every game next 642 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,640 year. They're all different. 643 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,120 You know, you get a different towels like you collect the 644 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,480 series that that becomes, you know, maybe oh God, bad idea, 645 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,960 Scott, don't say it. Maybe the next year's a personal 646 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,640 towel license. So 10 bucks in your seat gets 647 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,160 no. But like to me, it's like you 648 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,320 that was what was cool as this year is like he's I really do 649 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,920 hope the towels continue because that was something it's like, 650 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,040 oh, this is a tradition. Like this is something that was 651 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,960 built. We were there for it and now you 652 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,320 just need to keep building those. 653 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,320 But yeah, I hope the towels come back for sure. 654 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,120 We had some other questions Hoosier Review asked what one 655 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,680 local Bloomington restaurant would you want added to 656 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,960 concessions options? So we got a bunch of them. 657 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,600 Finney Hospitality Group was in there with Social Cantina this 658 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,720 year. Ever Bowl's in the stadium. 659 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,560 Buffalo Louie's is in the stadium. 660 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,680 Upland Beer. Stadium now, right? 661 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,840 Yes, yes, that's right. So and I mean I live down here, 662 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,200 you don't. So, you know, I guess better. 663 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,600 For you question, Yeah, yeah. It's it's an interesting 664 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,920 question because I, I think the, a lot of the food I think that 665 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,160 would, I mean, I'll, I'll say, I'll say the following and then 666 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,840 I will give an exact, you know, reason why that doesn't make 667 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,000 sense. A lot of the food that should, 668 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,400 you know, that I would like to see in the stadium doesn't 669 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,000 really work in a stadium atmosphere. 670 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,880 But then like ever bowls in the stadium. 671 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,960 When I think stadium food, I don't think acai bowl and yet 672 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,480 it's really good and it's a it's a really nice healthy option in 673 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,600 the stadium. If you they're in assembly Hall 674 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,000 too, If you want to check them out, they're up on the the 675 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,920 second deck there, not the balcony, but the like right at 676 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,640 the corner on the West side on the I guess would be the 677 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,680 northwest side, you know, So if you think about the other 678 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:16,400 options around town, you know, the I I don't know that there's 679 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,200 a clear choice. It would be interesting to get. 680 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,440 I don't know. We, you know, we got, you've got 681 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,120 wings options, you've got pizza options, you've got some 682 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,440 healthier fare. I don't know that I've got one 683 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,120 where I would say we absolutely, positively need to get that in 684 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,400 the stadium. It would be nice to have like a, 685 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,680 a good burger option that isn't any of the current ones. 686 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,840 And I don't know who the best provider for that would be and 687 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,120 whether that would actually translate particularly well to a 688 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,600 stadium environment. Like things like wings and pizza 689 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,280 are kind of you're, you're pre making them, you're just getting 690 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,760 them them and getting them warmed up the cook to order 691 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,560 stuff. I'm not sure if that necessarily 692 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,640 works 'cause that just invites a lot of lines. 693 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,680 But ultimately what I like is the fact that there's so many 694 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,800 different options in there that work as far as just food that 695 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,280 you can take back to your seat and food that you can get lines. 696 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,920 So I don't even know if there's one right now. 697 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,120 Is there anything to stick out for you as something even in the 698 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,680 Indianapolis area, 'cause I'm certainly so locked into 699 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,720 Bloomington, it's hard for me to get a sense of what's going on 700 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,720 elsewhere. No, I mean, there's stuff I love 701 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,840 up here, but then it's just like me talking about my like, I love 702 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,400 Ale Emporium, but like they don't have a spot in 703 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,600 Bloomington, so it'd be crazy to have like Ale Emporium wings 704 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,200 down there. I mean, I was joking. 705 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,360 Like you should have a Chick-fil-A. 706 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,520 I'm like, oh, they do have Chick-fil-A there. 707 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,800 Like they do like that's always busy. 708 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,440 No, I, I, I like the, I think you're right with the burger 709 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,520 idea. And that's where I just, you 710 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,360 know, like, I don't think Hinkle's hamburgers are still 711 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,440 rocking in Bloomington. They're still rocking in 712 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,200 Bloomington. They, they are the last business 713 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,600 that's likely to go into Memorial Stadium in terms of 714 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,120 like their setup. I, I, I, that's, yeah. 715 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,440 But I, I was, I was thinking when we were in college, there 716 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,840 was the guy who sold hot dogs outside of Kilroy's when he 717 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,160 left, like 2:00 AM, like maybe you get a hot dog cart, like all 718 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,720 of that. But no, I, I, I think it's a 719 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,080 testament to how, how much they've grown the food fair at 720 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,400 Memorial Stadium and the different local options that, 721 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,320 you know, it's, it's tough for us to come up with an answer 722 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,800 because there's not one out there. 723 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,320 It's like, oh, this is a great, you know, great restaurant in, 724 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,000 in the area that, that should be in there. 725 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,520 And I mean, they have, they have all the liquor you want too. 726 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,280 So I mean that would it's there too. 727 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,360 Let's move on to some other questions. 728 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,920 We did a question from let me go actually head head to the 729 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,920 discord. So this has been this question 730 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,199 ties in a lot to a lot of the other questions that we've had 731 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,600 in the same area. So Jared asks, what is the new 732 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,320 bar for success with IU football, IE, what's the minimum 733 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,639 level of accomplishment for next season that won't leave the 734 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,960 majority of reasonable fans feeling disappointed? 735 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,239 And so we got a lot of responses, people throwing out 736 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,080 win totals. We had a lot of people asking 737 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,360 questions about like, how many, how many games do you think 738 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,120 Indiana's able to to win this upcoming year given the 739 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,840 schedule? There was a, you know, Brendan 740 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,840 Bolander asked what are fair realistic expectations for the 741 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,600 2025 season? You know, what's the floor and 742 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,400 the ceiling from a record perspective? 743 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,760 So I I'll, let me try to answer this. 744 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,920 Justin Bobbitt as well, like, you know, with the portal talent 745 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,560 I use brought in along with the returners, is it reasonable to 746 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,160 accept expect a nine and three or ten and two season in 2025? 747 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,040 So there's kind of two separate answers here. 748 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,080 What's the minimum reasonable expectation? 749 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,760 I'll remind everybody that this is a football program that just 750 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,240 does not have a lot of historical success. 751 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:42,560 If you, you know, go down the entire history of IU football, I 752 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,720 think they have 11 seasons where they've won seven or more games, 753 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,280 12 if you count 1994, which I don't because they didn't really 754 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,800 win that game against Michigan State. 755 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,400 It was forfeited to them after the season was over. 756 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,800 This is the first time Indiana's won double digit games and the 757 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,560 last time Indiana had won nine games happened in 1967. 758 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,160 So you know, to me, I think minimum reasonable expectations 759 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,440 for this upcoming year, it's probably the seven win mark. 760 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,160 I think there would still be people that would be somewhat 761 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,520 disappointed by seven wins. I just, I think it's important 762 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,280 to remember that it's hard to win a lot of football games. 763 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,360 And the idea is raising the floor first before you can raise 764 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,720 the ceiling. You could say that. 765 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,320 And, and again, I'm kind of taking seven wins in a vacuum 766 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,920 and not looking specifically at the schedule, but you think 767 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,720 about, you know, taking last year momentarily out of the 768 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:41,600 picture, an IU football team winning seven games in any 769 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,720 season up until the beginning of the 2024 year would have been a 770 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:49,040 cause for celebration. Last year's team winning seven 771 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,760 games would have been a cause for celebration. 772 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,440 The fact that Indiana overachieved to the degree that 773 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,400 they did, I don't think should be necessarily what changes 774 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,680 that. And I expect Indiana to win more 775 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,320 games than 7 next year, given who they've got coming back and 776 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,320 who they brought in and what their schedule looks like. 777 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,880 But I also think if they win seven games next year in the 778 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,280 regular season going into a bowl with a chance to win an eighth, 779 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,880 that would feel like a pretty good year regardless of whatever 780 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,800 is going on because it means well. 781 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:25,600 Hey, unlike say 2020 when they won 75% of their games and then 782 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,440 went out and went 2 and 10 the following year. 783 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,160 There wasn't the huge regression that you've gotten historically 784 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,040 when Indiana has had these seasons where they won a bunch 785 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,600 of games. So that's my answer on the on 786 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,760 the first part of the question, Scott, what would you say? 787 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,840 I mean, they got to make the College Football Playoff. 788 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,760 You got to fire Signeti. No, no, I I'm in exactly the 789 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,000 same boat. I've been telling a lot of 790 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,400 people the same thing that, you know, it's about raising the 791 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,880 floor and it's about, you know, building consistency. 792 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,360 And so to me, you know, IU football, you know, up through 793 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,480 Tom Allen, Kevin with the whole time has been like, we get to 794 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,160 six wins in the bowl and let's do that two or three years in a 795 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,360 row, and I still think that stays the same. 796 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,160 I, I agree with you that last year was I have so much optimism 797 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,560 about what happened last year and the fact that I feel like 798 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,840 people that the entire staff knows what they're doing that I, 799 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,480 I like you, I'm able to raise the optimism a little bit. 800 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,920 But I'm with you, like seven wins seems very like a very fair 801 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,840 ask of this team. And if they fall a little bit 802 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,720 short and get to five or six wins, OK. 803 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,440 I mean, I would, I would color a couple things in there that to 804 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,840 me, it's like, I I wouldn't go so much for records, but little 805 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,760 things like can you hold serve at home? 806 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,400 You know, again, we got to look at the look at the schedule. 807 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,200 Like I'm sure there'll be some years like we're playing Oregon, 808 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,160 Michigan, Ohio State at home. It's like maybe not the case. 809 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,480 I know it's not happening next year, but like, can you hold 810 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,640 serve at home or at least go 5 and one at home and, and have a, 811 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,680 you know, a very much over 500 winning record home. 812 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,960 I think that's key. I would also say that, you know, 813 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,240 it's been 34 years since we've won a bowl game. 814 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,240 Last year was really different. That was a bowl game. 815 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,240 Asking us to win a road game at Notre Dame is different than, 816 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,120 you know, winning, you know, whatever, you know, an insight 817 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,000 bowl game. But it's like, can you win a 818 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000 bowl game coming up this year? Like can we get that monkey off 819 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,080 our back? Can we just start kind of 820 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,480 knocking these things off? But I, you know, I've, I've been 821 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,040 very, everyone I've talked to have been like, look, this year 822 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,360 was awesome. This year was outside the bounds 823 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,200 of what I expected. And we can't just go nuts on our 824 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,280 expectations. And yeah, the schedule looks 825 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,880 interesting next year. It's like we have 3 tough Rd. 826 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,200 games, you know, Oregon, Penn State and Iowa. 827 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,280 You know, any other year at you know, we did this 12 months ago. 828 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,200 I'm never be like, wow, can you go 2 in one of those games? 829 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,440 Like, no, you'd be like, all right, well, there's three 830 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,760 losses and then Oh my God, can we at least beat Indiana State? 831 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,080 You're just you, you, you have to. 832 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:46,920 You didn't move the bar that much. 833 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,200 Like College Football Playoff is not something we need to be 834 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,600 talking about in the preseason this coming year. 835 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,320 We need to talk about going, can you go six or seven wins? 836 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,040 Can you make a bowl? Can you do that two or three 837 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,160 years in a row? And then you've shown all right, 838 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,880 now we can move up. And these things are not always 839 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,200 linear. Like you, you look at 840 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,640 Northwestern's kind of when they have their growth curve, it's 841 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,120 like they won a bowl, won a bowl, missed one and then went 842 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,960 to a better bowl and then like missed one, like moving up. 843 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,800 So you're going to have ups and downs. 844 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,040 But I, I echo almost everything you're saying. 845 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,440 And as I look, you know, for this year and for the next year 846 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,480 after. I don't think I'm ready to say 847 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,960 eight wins is what we need to get to for a successful season 848 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,120 until, you know, if if they go to a bowl this coming season and 849 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,440 they win a bowl and then maybe then the year after they go to a 850 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,960 high level bowl. At that point, it's like, OK, 851 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,000 you've gone three years in a row. 852 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,280 You've had one CFP make maybe you're close to another one at 853 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,120 that point. After three seasons like that, 854 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,280 then it's like, OK, now I believe enough to say now eight 855 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,120 and nine wins is what should be the the ceiling. 856 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,720 And but honestly, that's probably the top of the ceiling 857 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,640 I'm ever going to get. I mean, in India, you're still 858 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,280 in the Big 10, like Oregon, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn 859 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,440 State, like they're all still there. 860 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,960 So if you're, you know, there's only one team that really gets 861 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,280 to say we're going to win everything and the national 862 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,680 championship this year, bust it's like that's Ohio State. 863 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,560 And if you're talking about 9 or 10 wins as you're ceiling, 864 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:06,280 that's really damn close to that. 865 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,560 So anyway, I just, I think thinking 7 seven wins is not 866 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,720 that far off from like what kind of top level expectations for an 867 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,640 Indiana program could be, unless we get, you know, 10 or 20 years 868 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,280 of excellence, which sign me up, I'm in for it. 869 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,360 But no, I, I think that's my biggest concern this year is 870 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,880 people just having unrealistic expectations. 871 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,800 And it's like you get to that first game against Illinois, who 872 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,200 will also should be also be ranked in that game if they lose 873 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,480 it. And suddenly like, Oh my God, 874 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,480 like we're, it's like it's, it's one game. 875 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,040 Like we can still get to six wins. 876 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,960 We can still get to seven wins. We're still building something 877 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,760 here and it's not always going to be pretty. 878 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,600 Yeah. I mean, ultimately by look at 879 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:51,120 it, the ultimately the, the so much of last year, we talked 880 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,480 about this a lot on the football, the XS and OS pod with 881 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,120 Taylor. There's there's systems in 882 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,080 place, there's things that you're doing, you're trying to 883 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,520 view. Last year was about building 884 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,200 culture and Indiana took advantage of a favorable 885 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,520 schedule as well as an influx of culture and it all worked. 886 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,160 Will it work again the same way this year? 887 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,080 I think so, because I think this coaching staff, they've they've 888 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,720 stayed together. They know what they're doing. 889 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,160 They've done a really good job in the portal. 890 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,720 There's still some pieces that they're missing, like an edge 891 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:24,200 rusher, as Taylor mentioned, and reinforcements on the offensive 892 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,600 line. They could still get those, but 893 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,680 right now, like I think it given where Indiana has to play and 894 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,800 the way the schedule lays out with a lot of cut tough games 895 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,480 clustered relatively early in the season, unlike last year, 896 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,160 it's probably going to be a little bit difficult for Indiana 897 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,320 to reach the same heights they did last year. 898 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,840 Now lot of off season to happen between now and then. 899 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,200 So we'll have to see how things play out. 900 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,680 But as you mentioned, like from the minimum expectation 901 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,280 perspective, I feel like we're, we're well in the range at 7:00 902 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,160 to 8:00 wins where you should feel good about that season. 903 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,600 What I look at for this upcoming year, I, I don't think like nine 904 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,440 and three is an unreasonable ask. 905 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,840 As was, as was mentioned, like you look at the schedule and you 906 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,240 look at the, the way that it plays out. 907 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,520 Indiana has some pretty tough games. 908 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,000 They got Illinois at home. Illinois's ranked I think 13th 909 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,960 in, in a couple of different polls. 910 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,480 They're going to be very good. They got to go to Iowa. 911 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,840 IIU does not play well with Iowa. 912 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,520 Historically. Iowa's a really tough team to 913 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,200 play on the road against. That's a winnable game. 914 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,400 Both of those are winnable games. 915 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,920 You got to go to Oregon. Oregon's going to be a top ten 916 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,120 team again. And then later on in the season 917 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,160 you got to go to Penn State. Penn State has a top five team. 918 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,480 I mean, they may be the favorite to win the Big 10 next year. 919 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,560 You've got a lot of winnable games. 920 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,080 You know, you've you've got the three non conference games are 921 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,520 very soft and and that's probably good going into this 922 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,000 year 'cause you're going to have a lot of new pieces. 923 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,320 You got to get acclimated. You got Michigan State at home, 924 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,680 you got UCLA at home. Those are both talented teams 925 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,200 that underperformed at Maryland, Wisconsin, at home, at Purdue. 926 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:09,120 I mean, look, ultimately Indiana has to play at a high level 927 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,600 consistently. And it's hard for us to really 928 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,200 say, yes, they're automatically going to do that until we see 929 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,920 them do it again. But I do think nine wins is 930 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,960 doable. I think even 10 is doable. 931 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,880 You know, a lot of it is going to hinge on what happens in 932 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,400 those back-to-back weeks where they play Illinois and Iowa and 933 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,480 if they can get through, if they get through those two games and 934 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,000 get to the buy and they're five and O, then I think you should 935 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,680 re evaluate your expectations. And if they don't, I I'm not 936 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,320 freaking out about it. You know, those are both very 937 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,000 tough games and those are games that Indiana didn't necessarily 938 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,000 have on their schedule last year in terms of overall caliber of 939 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,120 opponents. So I am really fascinated to see 940 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,480 how this plays out. I think the schedule still sets 941 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,400 up really well for IU and it's certainly a joy seeing neither 942 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,080 Michigan or Ohio State on the schedule. 943 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,160 That's a nice change of pace, but they do have two of the top 944 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,720 three or four teams in the conference in terms of total 945 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,040 talent on their schedule and they got to go to both of those. 946 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,440 That's going to be a tough sled in terms of getting back up into 947 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,080 CFP conversation. And again, I just think I, I 948 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,880 know what you're saying there. I just, I think, you know, it 949 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,440 was awesome this year. We, we, we can't be talking 950 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,440 about CFP conversation, you know, with this team with any, 951 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,600 any point going into the year. Like I think that's going to set 952 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,200 people up for a rough year. And I, I think it's just, it's 953 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,840 not where you should be. And I look at it this way, like 954 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,360 again, you have the three soft non conference, you know, 955 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,880 Illinois at home, at Iowa, at Oregon. 956 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:35,880 That's a really tough stretch. Those are all teams that are 957 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,320 probably going to be ranked or if not totally ranked. 958 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,320 Iowa's a tough place to play. It'll be up there. 959 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,760 I'm assuming that, you know, you, you could lose all three of 960 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,480 those. But The thing is, you come home, 961 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,960 you play Michigan State, UCLA, again, both teams that I would 962 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,480 say I agree with you underperformed. 963 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,520 And we we're probably in echelon above, you know, if you lose all 964 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,440 three, Illinois, Iowa, Oregon, you come home and win those two, 965 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,320 you're still 5:00 and 3:00 at the end of October. 966 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,600 How many years like Caitlin, we'll be doing like 20 years. 967 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,480 Like how many years like do I just want to be 5 and three with 968 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,280 a chance to win our 6th game? And it not being the one game 969 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,520 against Purdue, you'd be looking at five games to get one win to 970 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,800 be bull eligible. Like I will take that every 971 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,840 year. I, I think to me it's like 972 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,800 that's more the mindset we need to be thinking of to try and be 973 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,880 happy and exceed expectations than even to ever mention the 974 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,400 College Football Playoff again. Because I think getting in those 975 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,840 areas is going, it's just going to be tough. 976 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,320 And it's like something that it's, it's asking a lot of this 977 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,800 program to do like in back-to-back years or even 2 out 978 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,960 of three years. To me, it's again, can you be in 979 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,480 a spot where you're, are you comfortably in? 980 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,480 Do you have a bowl wrapped up in November and you're trying to 981 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,520 now get a better bowl in November? 982 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,600 That to me is like, that's a really good place to be for this 983 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,600 program. That's something we. 984 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,160 We also haven't been in very much at all. 985 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,360 Right, Yeah, I can already see the the comments like, oh, you 986 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,520 guys are just like, you know, soft pedaling here and you know, 987 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,640 you're making excuses for for IU or your or you don't have a high 988 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,560 enough standards. Just saying we've been doing 989 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,920 this long enough. This is rarely a linear thing. 990 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,840 And you can look around college football, it's rare that you 991 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,120 would go like eleven wins and now that's the floor. 992 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,600 That's not how it works and well. 993 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,360 It's it's funny because one of your questions with Taylor that 994 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,480 that was asked to you guys was, and I'm paraphrasing with 995 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,200 something along the lines of, you know, hey, we did really 996 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,960 well, but you know, now, you know, can can you really compete 997 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,920 with the Ohio States and Michigan's without getting that 998 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,680 four or five star, you know, recruiting talent? 999 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,960 You know, how do we fix that? It's like, well, good luck. 1000 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,800 Like like you like you just don't in 18 months, but like, 1001 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,880 hey, we're going to start out recruiting Michigan for five 1002 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,320 stars. Like you're going to have to 1003 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,120 find ways to continue to, to compete against those teams 1004 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,560 because Ohio State's not going to stop recruiting. 1005 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,760 Like they're still going to get a bunch of five stars. 1006 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,960 And you're not the only team also trying to get those five 1007 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,560 stars. So it's a it's not a silly. 1008 00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,440 All questions are awesome. We love them all. 1009 00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,200 By the way, Crimson cast is instituting a question seat 1010 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,440 license. So you know if you want to 1011 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,440 start. 30 and 5030 to get it on the air. 1012 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,760 But you know, it's it's like those kinds of questions like, 1013 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,640 all right, well, now we just got to start doing this. 1014 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,800 It's like, well, it's not that easy to just suddenly start 1015 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,920 getting a bunch of five star recruits like you. 1016 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,440 You always mention Iowa and Wisconsin as teams that you 1017 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,800 know, are able to do it without that. 1018 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,160 They're trying. It's like they they are trying 1019 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,440 to get some of that top tier talent. 1020 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,080 They haven't been able to break feelings. 1021 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,960 Very few teams that get that much top tier talent on a 1022 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,840 regular basis. So I, I do questions like that 1023 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,320 make many wonder people's, you know, thought process. 1024 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,920 Sometimes it's like you're Indiana's going to have to 1025 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,520 always be kind of keeping those expectations a little bit more 1026 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,760 tampered because I don't see a reality, no matter how much 1027 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,280 success we have over the next even the next seven years, a 1028 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,600 world where suddenly we have out recruited 5 stars by Ohio State, 1029 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,120 Michigan or Penn State. No, and again, as we sort of 1030 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,520 talked about on the on that show, it's it's less about that 1031 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,320 level of recruiting and it's more about doing a better job 1032 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,720 with four stars, doing a better job with developing the talent 1033 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,440 you've got. You know, one of the things that 1034 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,680 was mentioned a lot around the the game between Notre Dame and 1035 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,400 Ohio State was that, you know, Notre Dame didn't have a ton of 1036 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,320 five stars. They had a bunch of four stars 1037 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,520 and they used the four stars, you know, really effectively. 1038 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,840 They developed them very well and there was clearly a a talent 1039 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,320 shelf that Ohio State was on that Notre Dame had not reached, 1040 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,360 but they were still competitive in that game. 1041 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,520 It it's really and, and, and you know, now they lost. 1042 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,840 Notre Dame didn't deserve to be. There not throw that out there 1043 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,600 exactly, no. One deserved to be there, but 1044 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,800 Ohio State, but no. But, but ultimately the, the 1045 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,880 reality of the situation is you're, you've now catapulted 1046 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,280 yourself into a different echelon. 1047 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,000 You're getting looks from recruits you weren't getting 1048 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,000 looks from before. You're in the group of things 1049 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,920 and you'll get you'll get some of those people. 1050 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,160 And I think that the message that Signetti and his staff have 1051 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,800 sent regularly through their, their coaching, through their 1052 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,680 behind the scenes stuff, through the way that they run the 1053 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,000 program is going to pay a lot of dividends. 1054 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,960 It's just going to take a few years to fully get it. 1055 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,440 Because you're talking about, you got to you're, you're 1056 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,680 talking to high school coaches across the country. 1057 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,680 You're demonstrating what you're doing. 1058 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,240 You're, you're getting in the minds, you know, you know, the, 1059 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,160 the juniors and seniors, they've already kind of got a good sense 1060 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,840 of where they're going from the high school level. 1061 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,280 So now you're playing for that next group of people who might 1062 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:25,960 not be here till 202620272028. So it does take some time and 1063 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:31,800 ultimately the record and what Indiana does with this upcoming 1064 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,360 year, it's going to be an improved roster in terms of 1065 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,280 raising the talent floor. Is it going to be good enough to 1066 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,600 go in and beat an Oregon or beat a Penn State? 1067 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,320 That's the big question. You know, you've never wanted 1068 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,240 Penn State before. You have one at Oregon, but that 1069 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,080 was 20 some years ago and that was a completely different set 1070 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,640 of circumstances. So that's that's how our first 1071 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,320 Galen. Wants to bring it back to Nardo. 1072 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,520 Right. Yeah, they're bringing back 1073 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,960 Denardo. Let's let's do that. 1074 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,840 Some one of the things just for for for next seat in relation to 1075 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,080 this talking about next season. And again, sorry, I'm I'm kind 1076 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,240 of rehashing some stuff with you and Taylor's POV, but it was 1077 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,520 really good. You guys also talked about, you 1078 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,720 know, like how is there? Is there a concern that, you 1079 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,720 know, there's a lot of film that's been seen on this this 1080 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:13,600 team? And I kind of look looking at it 1081 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,040 from a positive perspective. I do look at it a different way. 1082 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,520 I think there might be a ton of stuff we just haven't seen yet 1083 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,560 because like we have to remember we had a quarterback playing the 1084 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,520 most of the entire year of the Tort ACL and he knew it, but the 1085 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,680 coaches also knew it. So you could be there drawing a 1086 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,160 place. It's like, I'd love to run this 1087 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,120 RPO sweep of this like, but I can't do that with a guy with a 1088 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,920 Tort ACL. So that's going to be off the 1089 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,240 side and we're going to run this playbook like I, I, I don't 1090 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:44,520 think you, you, you can minimize how insane of a point that is 1091 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,840 that you had Curtis Rourke with a torn ACL the entire season and 1092 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,960 the coaches knew it. So there's just certain things. 1093 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,280 It's like we can't do that with a guy with a torn ACL. 1094 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,640 Run whatever kind of actions or stunts that you want to run, you 1095 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,840 can't do it. So to me, I, I believe there's a 1096 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,680 whole bag of tricks and a bag of plays that just weren't able to 1097 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,360 be run this year. And and not, I mean, what Rourke 1098 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,200 did was awesome and it's amazing that he was able to do what he 1099 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,400 did, but I'm sure there were plays, roll outs or, or things 1100 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,120 they wanted to do with the quarterback position they just 1101 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,560 couldn't do because we can't put him in that position with 1102 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,880 knowing that limitation. So like the fact that it's not 1103 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,320 that he's had it, but that everybody knew it and they were 1104 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,040 game planning around it and still had a unbelievably dynamic 1105 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,160 and fun looking offense. To me, that's a real positive 1106 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,280 going into next year. And I do think that's something 1107 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,880 that you can be really optimistic about. 1108 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,800 And I'm, I'm not as concerned about the like we have tape on 1109 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,000 this. Yeah, I know. 1110 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,800 I I think that that's all very valid. 1111 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,000 Matt asked. I was looking at future 1112 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,920 schedules. What's the thoughts that on IU 1113 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,400 at UConn in 2026? Will IU buy out of that and have 1114 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,880 a home game? I don't see the point of 1115 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,200 traveling to a UConn. Also I wonder why IU scheduled 1116 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,480 the Virginia series the way they did their home in 2027 when they 1117 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,520 have 5 home big 10 games and then 2028 they go to Virginia 1118 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,880 and are on the road. Seems like they should have done 1119 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,040 the opposite. I mean I'll say this, I I would 1120 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,040 be surprised if that game at UConn ended up happening. 1121 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,080 These things tend to get switched around. 1122 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,800 IU doesn't even have their third non con opponents set yet for 1123 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,200 the 2020 sixth season. There's one floating out there 1124 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:24,600 and look, there may be mandated changes to scheduling coming 1125 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,880 relatively soon in terms of who has to play whom and how many 1126 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,800 FCS teams or group of however many conference teams you're 1127 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,280 playing. So you know, teams outside the 1128 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,240 power conferences. You know, right now 2026, 1129 00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:40,160 you're, you got Colorado State at home and you're at UConn. 1130 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,320 The the question about why IU scheduled the way that they did, 1131 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,040 a lot of it really does come down to it looked good 1132 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,800 contractually at the time, but it's not anything that you can't 1133 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,440 get out of necessarily. And I, and I think ultimately 1134 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,080 the, the scheduling, we've been critical of the scheduling of IU 1135 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:03,640 football in in the past because it's tended to schedule without 1136 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,640 really thinking about the impact on I US bowl eligibility and 1137 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,920 overall, you know, success throughout the course of the 1138 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,960 season. I, you know, I think back to a 1139 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,000 lot of those schedules that Kevin Wilson was playing 1140 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,840 against. Like why are you going to North 1141 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,360 Texas? Why are you playing a series 1142 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,400 against Navy? Who runs one of the most, you 1143 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,600 know, weird offenses in the, in the country? 1144 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,560 Why are you doing a home at home with Virginia? 1145 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,760 You know, the people would laugh at Minnesota's schedules and 1146 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,200 then Minnesota would win 8 or 9 games and go to a bowl game. 1147 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,480 It's like Minnesota's won what, 8 bowl games in a row? 1148 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,880 Like that's how you do it. You, you get literally nothing 1149 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,320 out of scheduling these games the way that IU has historically 1150 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,760 scheduled them. And as much as IU took criticism 1151 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,800 for buying their way out of the Louisville game this year, they 1152 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,240 absolutely should have done it. That that that was the right 1153 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:53,360 move. So, so much of the way that IU 1154 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,080 fans and to some degree the IU athletic department historically 1155 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,040 looked at football was so backwards. 1156 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,960 It was like, let's be it should have been, let's be successful. 1157 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,520 What is every how do we make everything set up in a way for 1158 00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,440 us to be at the end of the season successful? 1159 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,680 And that the whole history of IU football scheduling, we've 1160 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,960 talked about this like go back to the 70s and 80s. 1161 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,280 Look at those non conference schedules that Lee Corso was 1162 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,280 playing. Look at the ones that Bill 1163 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,160 Mallory's teams were playing. Like, what are you doing? 1164 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,960 But even Ken Cameron, you know, you think about some of those 1165 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,880 years, it's like. State and North Carolina. 1166 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,360 Why are you playing a a home and home versus North Carolina? 1167 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,720 Like why are you why are you bringing North Carolina State 1168 00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:33,800 into your stadium? There's there's just like things 1169 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,040 that if you know where you're at and a stink with IU in 1170 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,680 particular at this point when you're in that intermediate 1171 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,760 range where you're still trying to move your way up. 1172 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,720 For as much as people have talked about non conference 1173 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,680 strength to schedule, it didn't matter this year with Indiana 1174 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,960 and it, you know, even with the criticisms about Indiana, quote 1175 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,840 UN quote didn't play anybody. So much of their non or so much 1176 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,040 of their strength of schedule overall ended up being dictated 1177 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,120 by the teams in the conference. That's what matters. 1178 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,920 Give yourselves the easy wins, give yourselves the 1179 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,960 developmental ability because what you need to do is get ready 1180 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,360 for the actual season, which is the conference season, because 1181 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,080 that ultimately dictates where you're going. 1182 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,400 So to go back to the question there, you get literally nothing 1183 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,360 out of a trip to UConn. Buy your way out of that. 1184 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,080 Schedule something easy at home. Give yourself an extra win. 1185 00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:23,360 Put yourself in a better position to get to the College 1186 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,320 Football Playoff or get to a higher level bowl. 1187 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,960 That's the answer. Again, this goes back to what 1188 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,680 we've been saying is that, you know, over the next couple of 1189 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,840 years, our scheduling should be set up for us to get to a bowl, 1190 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,920 not not to bolster our you know, we're not trying to get to the 1191 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,200 College Football Playoff every season. 1192 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,480 So you shouldn't schedule to to try and get to the College 1193 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,360 Football Playoff. You try and schedule to get to a 1194 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,040 bowl. The only thing I'll say with the 1195 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,000 Virginia scheduling is I don't, I don't know when that was 1196 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,840 thrown on the schedule. But you do have to remember, you 1197 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,000 know, in the last 24 months, there have been two different 1198 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,520 Big 10 schedules sent out. Like I remember they sent out 1199 00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:01,240 the Big 10 schedule before Oregon, sorry, before Oregon and 1200 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:05,040 Washington were at like right after UCLA and USC were added at 1201 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,080 some point that this is less than two years ago, they sent 1202 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,840 out a three-year Big 10 schedule. 1203 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,640 Like here's your, your, your teams and your protected rivals. 1204 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,600 This is your schedule for the next three years. 1205 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,840 And then 12 months, like it was like 8 months later, Washington 1206 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,480 and Oregon were at it. It's like, well, that's 1207 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,080 obviously not our schedule because I don't think that 1208 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,880 they're just going to play an 8 game series. 1209 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,760 And then suddenly it's like, here's your new Big 10 schedule. 1210 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,960 So when that Virginia game was scheduled, Notre Dame was 1211 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,240 scheduled. You know, Notre Dame's were 1212 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,680 playing what 2029? Like these things get scheduled 1213 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,600 way off. So you know, as you met like 1214 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,840 these things are are constantly changing. 1215 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,400 I think some of it's just placeholders and we don't know 1216 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,800 there could be a tenth big 10 game in three years and that 1217 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,160 Virginia thing just poofs out for everybody anyway. 1218 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,880 The ACC may not be around Virginia could be part of the 1219 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,920 big 10 for all we know in a couple of years. 1220 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,240 Like these things are changing. You heard it here first, by the 1221 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,560 way, that happens. That'd be awesome. 1222 00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,560 Like you heard it here first. I'm I'm so I, I do think like 1223 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,680 it's when those things get scheduled sometime. 1224 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,520 But I, I agree and I've, I have a couple of friends who kind of 1225 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,720 still make fun of like you guys are playing nobody. 1226 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,560 It's like, yes, we should like look at our history. 1227 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,680 Like we haven't won a bowl in 34 years. 1228 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,360 Like I continue to go back to like last year was awesome. 1229 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,720 Our goal going into a season is not trying to bolster our resume 1230 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,000 for the CFP. Our we're trying to bolster our 1231 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,520 resume to get to the pinstripe bowl and win that. 1232 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:25,880 Like that's what we're trying to do. 1233 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,640 Couple other questions. We had a an interesting pair of 1234 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,200 questions and we'll wrap up with this. 1235 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,600 Aiken Hoosier asks how do you think the contrast in the 1236 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,960 current seasons will impact the balance of administration slash 1237 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,520 fan support both near term and long term for IU football and IU 1238 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,920 basketball 1 program seems to perpetually provide no ROI and 1239 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,640 the other feels primed to do that. 1240 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,480 We also had a question which right we answer the question 1241 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,320 from Ari, should IU worry about an attendance drop off like 1242 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,360 later in the Mallory era if they're a perennial 8 win team 1243 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,960 instead of a championship contender like last season? 1244 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,800 So let me tackle the second one first and we'll work our way 1245 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,440 back to the first one. I mean, I think you have an end 1246 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,960 of one with the Mallory era teams where we people looked at 1247 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,440 that and said, oh, people stop coming to games and you know, 1248 00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,320 the, the, the product was viewed as stale and and so therefore 1249 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,920 that shows that IU isn't going to support its teams unless 1250 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,440 they're perennially championship contenders. 1251 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,160 That's I disagree with that evaluation of things. 1252 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,200 I mean, I think what's important to remember, there's a if you 1253 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,960 look at that era, you know, there was a real peak in 1254 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:42,200 attendance for IU and in, you know, the rolling average for IU 1255 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:48,160 in the the 88 and 89 seasons, which was picking up on the huge 1256 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,560 attendance spike in 87 and 88. That's when it got up to its 1257 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,720 highest number really ever. You know, it was 5152 thousand 1258 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,160 average. It did start to fall off, but it 1259 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,320 wasn't exactly like, oh, Indiana was perennially winning eight 1260 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:05,320 games every year and and then people stopped supporting them. 1261 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,360 You know you got to remember in 89. 1262 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,720 IU missed the a bowl game and and you know, Anthony Thompson 1263 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,720 lost off out of the national or the Heisman Trophy because they 1264 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,840 lose the last game of Purdue. They finished five and six that 1265 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,040 year. The next year they won what, six 1266 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,040 games? You know, they had another five 1267 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,000 win season in that mix. Yes, they had eight wins in 1268 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,320 1993, but A, IU basketball had kind of gotten back to its apex, 1269 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,680 and B, IU football to some degree, was still living in the 1270 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,200 Stone Age, like you said. Like you, you and I, Scott grew 1271 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,360 up in that era. We went to games. 1272 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,520 You want to talk about bad stadium experiences or stadium 1273 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,880 experiences that have literally nothing going for them. 1274 01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:53,240 I present to you like 1980 to 2000 with Memorial Stadium. 1275 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,360 It was a sterile environment, nothing exciting about it. 1276 01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,440 The teams were were good, more or less, or at least 1277 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,960 competitive, but it there was literally nothing else keeping 1278 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,560 you in there and. Also, friends, we we talk about 1279 01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,800 the old Memorial Stadium. It's like, oh, I remember 1280 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,760 rolling down the hill. Like that was the thing when we 1281 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,880 went to games, like there was two hills on both sides to the 1282 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,080 Bleacher bleachers that held like 200 people on the end 1283 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,280 zones. And it's like we would take 1284 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,200 cardboard boxes and slide down the hill, then you'd roll down 1285 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,560 the hill. It's like, all right, we got to 1286 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:22,240 go. It's like, God, you know, 1287 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,440 they're playing a football game. I know. 1288 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,320 I mean, as as weird as it sounds and look, I'm I'm not fully 1289 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,560 excusing things, but again. You know, if you look at where 1290 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,560 IU football was at during that era, it wasn't that different 1291 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,640 from what Indiana did from say 1978 to 1982 where they won four 1292 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,560 games, eight games, six games, three games, five games. 1293 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,280 Like in that period, they were slightly better. 1294 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,600 They made, they went to more bowls 'cause there were more 1295 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,640 bowls in the late 80s, early 90s, but there was no compelling 1296 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,960 stadium experience. It, you know, it was still an 1297 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,400 era where people were were using the loophole of I can use 1298 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,200 football to get basketball tickets, better basketball 1299 01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,040 tickets. I don't think that the, the, the 1300 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,200 core nature of the IU fanbase is that they don't support their 1301 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,960 teams. You know, the last time IU was 1302 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,200 consistently good to that level happened to be kind of right at 1303 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:18,560 the end of an era where IU was still treating football like 1304 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,120 something that was there. They didn't really care that 1305 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,040 much about it. If it was good, great, if not, 1306 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,720 no big deal. There was very little marketing 1307 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,080 that I can remember around going to games. 1308 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,480 There was not a lot of media coverage. 1309 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,640 It's much different now. And I think there's a whole 1310 01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,720 group of younger fans in particular and middle-aged fans 1311 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,000 who have been wanting football to be good. 1312 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,880 And there's been just enough seating the field, so to speak, 1313 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:41,920 over the course of the last decade. 1314 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,320 It's a much stronger base. It's a much better game 1315 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,240 experience. It's a much better stadium. 1316 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,680 And it's A and it's a much more televised product. 1317 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,200 I mean, yeah, that's the one other thing about it. 1318 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,960 It's like unless you went to the stadium to watch IU football, or 1319 01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,200 unless IU football was playing a Michigan or an Ohio State and 1320 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,560 losing as they would be want to do during that era, you weren't 1321 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,680 seeing IU football everywhere and it wasn't being covered by 1322 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,320 by the papers very much or the television station. 1323 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,560 So it was out of save out of mind and after the initial 1324 01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,520 excitement of going to almost going to the Rose Bowl in 87 and 1325 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,200 winning eight games, it it sunk into the background. 1326 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,280 I don't think that that's going to be happening here. 1327 01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,320 And I think if Indiana's winning 789 games, maybe occasionally 1328 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,240 getting to 10 or 11 in this era, I think that the crowds are 1329 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,440 going to be. There, I think it's going to 1330 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,160 still be a really fun environment and I, I will, I'm 1331 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,760 going to push on this a little bit to Ari, but I would say I'm, 1332 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,400 I've fallen into this as well. And I fall into that same trap 1333 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,200 of like, yeah, now you know, we had that run of Mallory, but you 1334 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,000 look at it like, you know, Mallory's first year is O and 1335 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,680 11:00. Second year is 4 and 7 from 86 1336 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,160 to 96. All these questions, you know, 1337 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:49,840 is, is a bunch of eight win seasons. 1338 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,200 Is the fans going to tail off? That's 10 years. 1339 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,640 How many eight win seasons were there under Mallory? 1340 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,800 There were three. Like you had 10 years. 1341 01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,680 There was only three, eight win seasons. 1342 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,560 And again, I've been guilty of this as well. 1343 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,320 But you look at it, it's like. There were only two there. 1344 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:05,760 There weren't three. There were. 1345 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,480 There were two. There was 88 or. 1346 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:07,960 Sorry. You're right. 1347 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:08,760 You're right. I'm sorry. 1348 01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,040 I was wrong. I hit the wrong button. 1349 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:10,720 There. There were three. 1350 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,080 You're right. 8788 and and 93. Yeah. 1351 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:14,440 Yeah. Yeah. 1352 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,600 So you had three out of 10 years and you only had two bowl wins. 1353 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,440 So this idea of like, oh, it was just eight. 1354 01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,680 You know, they're going 8:00 and 4:00 every year going to a bowl, 1355 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:23,960 winning a bowl. It's like that didn't happen. 1356 01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,560 Like you had eight and four and 87, eight and three and one and 1357 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,600 88. And then you go five wins, six 1358 01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,680 wins, seven wins, five wins. You don't get eight wins again 1359 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,960 until 93. So this idea that it's just this 1360 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,280 like constant perfect eight, it is not there. 1361 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,000 I think you also mentioned something to like, not only was 1362 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,240 the stadium experience kind of boring, just during that time 1363 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,120 you're playing the same teams, like obviously, but like it's 1364 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,440 the exact same Big 10 teams every single year. 1365 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,840 It's like, oh, here comes Iowa, that's Northwestern. 1366 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,080 We know Wisconsin like, and teams didn't really change much. 1367 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,320 Like Wisconsin came in and did what they did and like 1368 01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,240 Northwestern came in and they sucked and Michigan came in and 1369 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,120 you just saw the exact same teams to to being a new era. 1370 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:04,960 It's like we're going to see UCLA this year. 1371 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,480 Like that's really cool. Like at some point USC is going 1372 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,040 to come into our stadium. Oregon's going to come in, you 1373 01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,240 know, and then you have these rotating, you know, it's like, 1374 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,520 oh, we probably won't see Iowa for like 6 years. 1375 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,320 Like I haven't seen Iowa play at Memorial Stadium for 7-8 years. 1376 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,160 Like there is a newness to college football now with these 1377 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,200 mega conferences where you get to see different teams playing 1378 01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,760 different styles. So I think that's something to 1379 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,640 it as well. But yeah, I mean, I would let's 1380 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:33,440 sign up for five straight years of eight wins and let's see how 1381 01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,160 the fan bases do. And I, I also do think this is 1382 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,080 also a funny, like these are great problems to have. 1383 01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,120 Like let's let's do it first. Like let's just have five years 1384 01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,240 of eight wins and then we'll deal with slight fan eight win 1385 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,040 apathy at at the end there when when we get to it. 1386 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,840 But, you know, I, I do think sometimes that idea of like, 1387 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,560 Mallory was just banging out eight win seasons is, is not 1388 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,000 totally reality. Yeah, I, I agree with you there. 1389 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,200 The to go back to the initial question for me, a whole part of 1390 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:01,560 it. Yeah. 1391 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:03,080 Yeah, the the basketball part of it. 1392 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:07,920 So look, all you have to do right now is go to a home game 1393 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,640 in Assembly Hall to see the effects of what's going on in 1394 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,880 the last couple of decades. I mean, you know, that Illinois 1395 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,120 game, the balconies were what, about half full. 1396 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,360 The, you know, the student section was not entirely full. 1397 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,560 The from the fan perspective, I think the fans are voting on 1398 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,560 their perceptions of IU basketball right now by by not 1399 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:35,160 really showing up. And look, people will come back 1400 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,040 to that because it's like Alabama. 1401 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,360 Alabama was was not a good football program for a while 1402 01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,000 there. And then they got good again and 1403 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:49,160 the enthusiasm was the highest it it ever had been. 11 good 1404 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,880 season bring bring an Oladipo type back and like it. 1405 01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:55,960 It'll come back quickly, it'll stand back. 1406 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,520 It's like a rubber band, but it's definitely down now. 1407 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,240 It is. And, and so I look at it from 1408 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:06,080 the perspective of, well, the, the, the, the fan investment 1409 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:09,320 from an intellectual perspective that'll ebb and flow. 1410 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,840 I think the big question that I have is who else hops on the 1411 01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,720 football bandwagon? You know who who among the fans 1412 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,600 is like, I really want to support this football team. 1413 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:18,960 I want to make this part of the culture. 1414 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:23,040 You know, I'll say like, just from our perspective, Scott, we 1415 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,520 look at the numbers on the podcast all the time. 1416 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,760 This was the first year that football was in the same arena 1417 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,400 as basketball in terms of the number of people that were 1418 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,160 watching or listening. And even with that, the 1419 01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,720 basketball podcasts are still beating the football podcast by 1420 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:45,240 about 1000 people in terms of who's turning, tuning in now. 1421 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,520 Sustained success will help with that. 1422 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,840 And I do think that it's going to take a couple of years for 1423 01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,680 that to build. You just don't have an intrinsic 1424 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,800 football culture within the IU fanbase yet. 1425 01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,360 It doesn't mean there's going to be 1. 1426 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,520 And I think that it's it's going to be on its way. 1427 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,640 And I think you can build that around Kurt Signetti and his 1428 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,880 staff and the success that this program is having the basketball 1429 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:13,880 culture as as mistreated and is neglected as it has been in 1430 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:18,160 terms of the last 15 years or so, 20 years or so. 1431 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,279 It's still there. It's still intrinsic within the 1432 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:23,319 state. It's still intrinsic within the 1433 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:27,040 way that the, you know, the folks that graduated five years 1434 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,760 ago, 10 years ago, they're still heavily into it. 1435 01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,240 I'd worry a little bit about students right now, but students 1436 01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,359 want to go and have good basketball. 1437 01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:36,479 They want to go watch it. It wouldn't take a lot for 1438 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,479 Indiana to be back in the mix. I think you just have to you 1439 01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,560 have to make some changes obviously, and we've talked 1440 01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,960 about those changes on some other podcasts, but that's 1441 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,160 that's how I view it. I think investment wise, the 1442 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,640 athletic department, they had to make an investment in football 1443 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,800 and they did. And that's going to be where a 1444 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,680 lot of the money comes from that pays for whatever IU athletics 1445 01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,120 looks like as we move forward. You're already heavily invested 1446 01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:00,840 in basketball. They're not going to under, 1447 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,760 they're not going to bring that investment back in terms of 1448 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,640 resources for recruiting or coaching salaries that will be 1449 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,520 there as well. You're never going to make 1450 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,680 nearly as much money off of of basketball as you will off of 1451 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,920 football. So that's where I look at it and 1452 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:18,240 I say to myself, I'm I'm less worried about basketball 1453 01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,160 investment hurting football investment. 1454 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,600 The questions always been what will it take for IU to invest in 1455 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,160 football? What will make them think this 1456 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,439 is worth it? I think this last year when you 1457 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:33,120 put it on top of the success they had in 2019-2020, that has 1458 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,319 pushed them over the edge. I look at Indiana, I don't see a 1459 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:40,760 program that's going to under resource their football program. 1460 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,040 I see AI, see an athletic department. 1461 01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,520 It's going to be like we have to continually invest in this and 1462 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,160 there will be rewards as a result of it. 1463 01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,279 I have a question for you on this point. 1464 01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:52,240 You know that to me the open question is at as football 1465 01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,800 continues to scale. Going back to our discussion on 1466 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:59,200 the the personal seat donations, you know, you bring up a point 1467 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:00,720 that is true. It used to kind of be I'm just 1468 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,080 going to get football tickets for the points for basketball. 1469 01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:09,040 As you start to scale the cost of both programs, you know that 1470 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,040 that would be the open question to me as a football continues to 1471 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:16,560 succeed and continues to increase, the, you know, becomes 1472 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,600 a a cost similar to like Ohio State or Michigan in how you're 1473 01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,800 charging your fans. Can you do that and also charge 1474 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,400 the basketball fans the same amount? 1475 01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:29,360 Like is there enough interest in both programs at a top tier 1476 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,120 charging level? That would be my real question 1477 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:36,200 because you're still football is still a real deal, you know, 1478 01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:37,720 cost wise for what you're getting. 1479 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,880 Basketball is not basketball. You are paying top tier pricing. 1480 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,840 Are there enough people who are willing to donate, you know, 1481 01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,960 thousands of dollars for both sports to get the points needed 1482 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,960 to to get both tickets? That's an open question. 1483 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,640 And it does the question I'll ask to you, Galen is like, is 1484 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:58,120 there, you know, I'm, I'm trying to think in my mind, is there a 1485 01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:02,360 university where the fan base really supports both programs at 1486 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,280 that top tier elite level? Because they're there's programs 1487 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,680 that have good sports in both. Like right now Alabama is doing 1488 01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,920 well in basketball and obviously doing well in football. 1489 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,520 But but I think, you know, let's see if Nate Oates leaves, you 1490 01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,680 know, if that doesn't kind of Peters out, are they going to 1491 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,160 continue to support at that level? 1492 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,680 Like Michigan's an example. It's had a success at both 1493 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,160 levels, but you look at them, it's like if they're not making 1494 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,840 the final four, that place Chrysler Arena is not full. 1495 01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,320 They are a basket. Sorry. 1496 01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,280 They are a football school. Same thing with Ohio State. 1497 01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,240 Like they were into it when Greg Odin was there. 1498 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,000 They they probably come the closest in my mind, but it's 1499 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,920 it's very unusual for a program to support both, both levels. 1500 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,160 Like normally when you bring it down to its core, every school 1501 01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:44,080 is is one or the other. Or in some cases they're neither 1502 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:45,080 some. Cases. 1503 01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:46,880 They're neither. But I got to be honest. 1504 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:54,200 I, I, I resist that argument inasmuch as I don't know that 1505 01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,920 Alabama is through a huge amount of financial investment into 1506 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,040 their basketball program. I think they just hired a really 1507 01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,480 good coach by accident. I mean, you look at the history 1508 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:06,080 of Alabama basketball and they've had moments where 1509 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:10,760 they've been OK, but you know, prior to Nate Oates being hired, 1510 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,280 their their prior 2 coaches, their prior 3 coaches were Mark 1511 01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,880 Gottfried. That's what I was saying. 1512 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,080 But my, my, my, my. But my point is. 1513 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,360 And then Avery Johnson, it's not like they went in and like threw 1514 01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,280 a bunch of money, I don't think at Nate Oates and was all. 1515 01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:28,320 Right, I'm more talking about fan support, like the fan 1516 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,520 support of. The, but even that I, I think 1517 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,480 that is, I think it's, I think fan support is more, I don't 1518 01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:35,800 know what the fan support actually is for Alabama. 1519 01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,840 I don't know if it's that much. I don't know if it's really that 1520 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,320 much at Auburn. I don't know that it's that much 1521 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,800 at Tennessee. When you hire really good 1522 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,560 coaches who know what they're doing, you tend to look like 1523 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,480 you're throwing a bunch of resources at something. 1524 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:52,640 I mean, IU didn't really throw a bunch of resources at IU 1525 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:57,880 football until after Kurt Signetti had already won, what, 1526 01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,880 seven or eight games this year. You could look at that, say why 1527 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,840 IU threw a bunch of money at football last year. 1528 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,600 They didn't. I mean, they they hired Kurt 1529 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,960 Signetti for less money than they were paying Tom Allen. 1530 01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,960 So that's that's the kind of thing I think where it's a 1531 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,960 little bit tricky to to go back to your question, like there 1532 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:18,200 aren't a ton of programs that are having high level success in 1533 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:22,000 both. I do think though, that like 1534 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,840 Kansas is a great example. And Kansas kind of had the 1535 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,160 football season from hell this year, but they made a bunch of 1536 01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,360 investments because they wanted to keep their good coach and 1537 01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:34,120 Lance Leopold and he stuck around and they ended up playing 1538 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,040 like spoiler this year. But they, you know, they're 1539 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,080 investing in the stadium. They're doing all these things 1540 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,440 because they had to. And I kind of look at IU as 1541 01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:42,840 being in the same boat. They already have the basketball 1542 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,800 investment. I don't know what it looks like 1543 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,520 when you try to compare those two things. 1544 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,320 I think ultimately you are going to need to be good in both 1545 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,240 because I think there's going to be more money and more 1546 01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,480 opportunities to make money in men's basketball. 1547 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:59,120 Once the inevitable happens and the power conferences start 1548 01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,680 creating their own tournament that breaks away from the NCAA 1549 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,240 tournament. People are complaining about it 1550 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,280 now. Certainly it'll be a very 1551 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,360 different type of tournament, but at the end of the day 1552 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,720 they'll be more money kept by the schools with the power 1553 01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,160 conferences running that. Then there is right now where 1554 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,400 it's distributed throughout the entirety of the NCAA, not just 1555 01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:22,640 Division One, but everything. So I think the ROI is likely to 1556 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,920 be greater if you have a good men's basketball program. 1557 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,280 I don't think that's why these SEC teams have have got good 1558 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:30,960 programs right now. I just think they all hired 1559 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:32,160 really good coaches. Yeah, yeah. 1560 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,480 It's it's a really interesting thing though, and I think it's 1561 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,040 something worth watching as we move forward. 1562 01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,840 Anyway, we're over time, we need to stop. 1563 01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,560 So we'll go ahead and wrap up here. 1564 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,680 Scott, as always, a pleasure. Good talking football with you. 1565 01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:45,840 Looking forward to doing more of these throughout the course of 1566 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:50,040 the offseason as spring ball. We'll be here relatively soon 1567 01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,520 and we'll see what roster Indiana goes into spring ball 1568 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,240 with. My thanks to our title sponsor, 1569 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,600 home field apparel. My thanks to all you folks who 1570 01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,200 are part of the Crimson cast family. 1571 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,080 We'll be back with more podcasting coming up soon and 1572 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,720 see what happens with IU basketball coming up tomorrow 1573 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,400 for Scott, I'm Galen, this is Crimson cast. 1574 01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,040 We'll catch you folks. On the flip side, bring back the 1575 01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,400 Bison, stay. Never daunted, so on everybody.