1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,600 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:23,600 Field Apparel. All right, folks, welcome back 3 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,880 to Crimson Cast. Scott here with you, continuing 4 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,840 on with our basketball preview. We got a good one today. 5 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,520 I'm I'm. They're all good ones. 6 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,600 I love them all the same. They're all like my children. 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,240 But I I really, really enjoyed the discussion today with 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,480 Raphael Davis. He was awesome. 9 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:41,080 He brought it. 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Like I said, we talked about the 43 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:20,480 Big 10, his time at Purdue, how Woodson has helped kind of bring 44 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,080 that rivalry back. Engaging with the past, why 45 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,520 that's important. Recruiting nil. 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,640 How nil is changing. We answer some listener 47 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:32,080 questions for Raphael, and he was, he was awesome. 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,600 He was a treat. He brought it. 49 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,000 I am looking forward to having him back second part of this 50 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,080 season. And now without further ado, 51 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,240 here's Raphael. All right. 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,400 Excited to have Raphael Davis from a Big 10 network, even 53 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,880 though he's a Purdue guy coming on an Indiana podcast. 54 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,600 I appreciate it. Raphael, how you doing, man? 55 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:52,720 I'm doing well, man. How are you? 56 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,080 I can't complain. You have me on. 57 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,480 Oh, dude, I'm happy to have you on. 58 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,040 I'm excited to talk a little bit. 59 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,160 Dude, it's almost basketball season. 60 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Like, we are so close. Like exhibition games are 61 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,240 started. Like this is the time. 62 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:03,360 Right. Yeah. 63 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,320 It's finally, it's finally here. I like to call this the this is 64 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,960 the best time of the year. You get some football. 65 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,720 You get some basketball. You get baseball. 66 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:10,880 You get everything you want right now. 67 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,240 Yeah, this or I I do like that February, March stretch where, 68 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,440 like, you finish with the Super Bowl. 69 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,160 You go right into like, college basketball tournaments in the in 70 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,480 the tournament and everything. Yeah. 71 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,280 No, no doubt. No doubt. 72 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,960 All right. So as you look at the Big 10 73 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,880 this year, I'm just curious like you know we're we're digging 74 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,960 into all this. Is it as simple as just like 75 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,440 Purdue and Michigan State at the top and everyone else is just a 76 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,200 a notch below? I think, I think you got to say 77 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,120 Purdue at the top, I mean, you win the game by. 78 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,200 I mean, you win the league by five games, you know what I 79 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,920 mean? And then you bring everyone 80 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,880 back. You get a little more athletic 81 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,080 with Cam, Heidi, Mouse, Colvin, see who kind of shakes out at 82 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,800 that spot, and then Michigan State. 83 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,000 I mean make a make that 316 run and then you bring everybody 84 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,640 back and you add, I mean they added the freshmen they added 85 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,000 are going to be really, really special so that they're, they've 86 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,120 gotten better. And then I think, I don't think 87 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,680 it's as big of a gap as everyone is kind of making it out to 88 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,480 because I think Maryland's right there. 89 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,360 I mean they brought, they brought a lot back. 90 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,560 I mean they have one that they have probably, I mean Jamir 91 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,680 Young is right there, Boo Boo, he's the best point guard in the 92 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,519 league. And then they bring in a couple 93 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:20,320 of freshmen that are going to be really impactful. 94 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,320 And then I really like Illinois as well. 95 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,080 So Illinois, I think. I think those would be my four. 96 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,600 I think Ohio State was sliding there at 5 for me. 97 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,840 But I don't think it's as a big of us got a gap as everyone 98 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:36,760 makes it seem just because the athleticism that Maryland and 99 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,000 Illinois has, I mean, it's going to come, it's going to come to 100 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,600 play in a second. No, I I agree with you on 101 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,080 Maryland. I think, I think they could be 102 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,440 right there. But I mean, what Michigan 103 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,440 State's got is pretty nasty. And then Purdue, like you said, 104 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,360 I mean, they're bringing everybody back from a team that, 105 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,120 that won the Big 10, looked really strong regular season. 106 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:54,200 Right. Yeah. 107 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,640 I mean, you win the Big 10 by by three games. 108 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,120 I mean, it's it's something there. 109 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,960 And especially in the Big 10, they're built to. 110 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,120 They're built to win the Big 10. I wouldn't be surprised if 111 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,600 Purdue won the Big 10 run. It ran away with it. 112 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,680 But a team like Michigan State had a little more tournament 113 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,000 success just because when you have 3 freshmen like Michigan 114 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,280 State has, they're just going to grow throughout the season. 115 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:21,480 They're not expected to really be, they're not expected to be 116 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,840 impact players necessarily by their numbers. 117 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,800 They come in a game and get energy. 118 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,760 Like, I mean, you look at the Tennessee game and like Cohen, 119 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,360 Carl, we play 16 minutes, but he gets nine points, 4 rebounds, he 120 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,240 gets 4 dunks, all of them momentum changing dunks. 121 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,520 And he's plus 22 for the game. And then Xavier Booker, he only 122 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,480 plays 8 minutes, he's +9 for the game and Beers was plus 13 for 123 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,080 the game. So I mean, come mid January, 124 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,840 once these guys figure it out, Michigan State are really be 125 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:54,200 rolling because they get back. I think Michigan State will have 126 00:05:54,200 --> 00:06:00,560 that that time, Izzo, early 2000s, late 2000, late 2000s, 127 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,400 that that same type of tempo where they're pushing it. 128 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,400 They're running, they're athletic, they're jumping. 129 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,080 So I think they'll be, I think they'll be a team to watch, but 130 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,120 I think I think the league this year is top heavy which I think 131 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,760 will help come come March. Yeah. 132 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,880 So as we look at Indiana, I'm curious to get your thoughts on 133 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,000 what what you see happening in Bloomington. 134 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,240 You know you mentioned Michigan State kind of having that feel 135 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,600 like I I think Indiana, my take on is I think it could be very 136 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,120 similar to some of those Michigan State teams that that 137 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,160 Izo has had in that I think Indiana might struggle early, 138 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:34,840 but I think the team we see in March is going to be different 139 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:38,120 and probably a lot better and maybe won't reflect it in the 140 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,120 Big 10 standings, but might be a team that could do more at the 141 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:42,560 second-half of the season than the first. 142 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,480 So I'm curious your thoughts on the on IU. 143 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,880 Yeah, I think so. Because, I mean, you're going to 144 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,520 be, I mean, I just going to go as their freshman. 145 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,160 I mean, Mackenzie goes and yeah, and you have a freshman that 146 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,040 you're kind of depending on. They're going to go through 147 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,720 their freshman struggles early, like yesterday. 148 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,600 He didn't play too well, I mean. You look at that first half, 149 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,360 Indiana really struggled to score the ball, and that's kind 150 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,160 of what he does. You know what I mean? 151 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,480 So it's it's been, it's been a few freshmen that come in the 152 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,880 league and just take off right away. 153 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,400 I mean, Jalen Hood Shapino had his struggles last year. 154 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,280 I mean, the one freshman I could think of that came into the big 155 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,520 team that really just kind of had his way early would be like 156 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,280 a Deandro Russell. I mean, that was #2 pick in the 157 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,640 draft. So I mean, I think Indiana's 158 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,600 going to grow with that. I think Trey Galloway is going 159 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,600 to take time to kind of grow because I was. 160 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,080 I was a player like Trey Galloway, especially in college, 161 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,120 where you just figure out how to get on the court and Trey 162 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,920 Galloway figured out how to get on the floor. 163 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,000 And it was playing hard. It was through playing hard. 164 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,080 It was through defense, it was through being the hustle guy. 165 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,920 And now he's asked to score. And that's going to take a while 166 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,000 for him to kind of get used to catching the ball and not 167 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,600 looking to pass, looking to score 1st. 168 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,720 And that's he's an older guy, but that is an adjustment. 169 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,160 And I know he's had a great offseason to talk to Xavier 170 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,040 Johnson about him, but. It will be an adjustment from 171 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,320 going from the play hard guy to the energy guy to a guy that's 172 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,360 got to give us 1314 points a game. 173 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,400 And he looked a little shaky yesterday. 174 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:10,040 Just he tried to be aggressive sometimes, but it just didn't. 175 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,000 It just didn't go for him sometimes. 176 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,600 And then Xavier Johnson's got to work himself back in the shape 177 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,520 and the game shape. No matter how much you run on an 178 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,000 underwater treadmill or you run on the treadmill or you run on 179 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,200 the football field, I mean, it's nothing like college basketball. 180 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,000 You can't simulate it unless you play the games. 181 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,960 You know what I mean? So even going against Gabe Cups 182 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,360 every day and I like Gabe Cups, that doesn't simulate what he's 183 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,559 going to be facing, you know what I mean? 184 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,200 So it's going to take him a while. 185 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,000 But I think Indiana's, it's just a project right now. 186 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,640 I think they just got a lot of new faces. 187 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,799 I've been on teams with six new players, 7 new players and it 188 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:46,280 takes a while. I remember my Purdue team my 189 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,760 junior year after we finished last place in the Big 10. 190 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,080 We bring in five freshmen and the transfer John Nadias and I 191 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,800 think that non conference we go. I want to step on top of my 192 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,960 head. We maybe go 8:00 and 5:00 and I 193 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,640 think everybody's kind of like, oh, this is going to be another 194 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,520 bad season. I mean, we lost to North 195 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,480 Florida, Gardner, Webb, Vanderbilt and and Notre Dame 196 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,360 all back-to-back to back going into Christmas. 197 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,560 I mean, we lost to Gardner Webb December 22nd and like all the, 198 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:15,120 I mean the fans were kind of it's going to be another last 199 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,640 play season, but then we go into that conference play. 200 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,000 We finished third in the league, you know what I mean? 201 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,280 So it takes a while for freshmen to kind of get it and new faces 202 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,400 kind of gel together. And I think, I think the fans, 203 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,240 really, you have to accept players for who they are 204 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,400 sometimes. And like like Khalil Ware may 205 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,400 not be a 20 and 10 guy. He is an elite, a elite, elite 206 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,200 room protector. He rebound with the best up and 207 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:39,760 he run the floor and catch lives. 208 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,320 But he may not be the guy like TJD. 209 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,400 You throw it to him and he'll get you 20 and and sometimes as 210 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,800 fans, we can. Expect so much out of guys, you 211 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,360 know what I mean? So I think I think we understand 212 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,840 where they're at and I understand it's going to be a 213 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,120 process. But I think Indiana is right 214 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,840 there in the middle of the league and I think if they can 215 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,520 take care of home, if you look at their schedule, if they can 216 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,560 take care of home, I think they'll be right. 217 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:03,120 Their top seven, top six in the league. 218 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,880 Well, say perfect goes right to my next thing. 219 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,240 I was going to ask you is like, that's one of the things as an 220 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,800 IU fan, you know, when when we're doing well, we look at a 221 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,920 team like this that's young and it's like, all right, we can 222 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,560 probably get, you know, one or two games based on Assembly 223 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:18,720 Hall. I'm just, I'm curious, man, you 224 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,880 played in the league. You you played at IU when things 225 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,360 were, I mean you played at Assembly Hall when things were 226 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,160 rolling when things weren't. I'm just curious, is that 227 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,160 something, you know, as a fan we look at and like, all right, 228 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,160 Assembly Hall, you know, gives us a real shot to, you know win 229 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,760 some of these games. Is that a real factor or for for 230 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,760 teams like Purdue, Michigan State that have some of that 231 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,240 experience, is that something where it's just it's it's not 232 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,000 really there? Because I'm just curious, can 233 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,440 Assembly Hall really give it, give a young team a boost? 234 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,560 Yeah, I think you give it a boost. 235 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,280 I mean, definitely, definitely help the morale of a team, the 236 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,120 spirit of a team, the energy of the team. 237 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,640 I mean my At my time, I can remember one of my favorite 238 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,160 moments in college basketball was. 239 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,280 I want to say we were playing the Bloomington, we were 240 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,760 terrible that year and I think it's my freshman year and Big 241 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,920 rolled his ankle or something like that and he goes back to 242 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,720 the back and next, you know, Big comes back out. 243 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,080 We don't even see him. But you hear the crowd 1st and 244 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,360 it's like it erupts and next, you know, I mean now, now 245 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:14,800 they're up 30, you know what I mean? 246 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,240 So the crowd can't do that for him. 247 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,440 But I think for a team like this season, team like Michigan 248 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,400 State, team like Purdue, older teams, the crowd don't don't 249 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,680 bother much. I mean the older, well jailed 250 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:28,240 team put together. Those are the teams that can go 251 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,560 on the road and handle business. But the teams like teams kind of 252 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:33,360 like on Ohio State they're young. 253 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,160 You know what I mean? They're still kind of figuring 254 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,600 out who they are. I think Assembly Hall could 255 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,800 rattle some of those young guys like they're they're young LED 256 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,320 Ohio State even though Bruce Thornton is a is a real player. 257 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,480 He's a sophomore. You got those freshmen, Scotty 258 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,520 Middleton, he's going to have to come in there for the first time 259 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,000 and deal with that. I mean Roddy Dale, he's going to 260 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,520 have to deal with that as a least leading scorer for the 261 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,560 first time. I mean, so it's like one of 262 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:59,040 those things where? Certain teams, it will bother, 263 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,000 it will, it will shake up like you think of a Rutgers and 264 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,520 Derek, Derek Simpson. He's never been the main guy on 265 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,800 a team, so that may shake him up, but I don't see it. 266 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,320 Certain things won't shake Tyson Walker or it won't shake Zach 267 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,160 Edie. And I think it's kind of depend 268 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,840 on who you play. No man, Zach Edie doesn't, does 269 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,200 not look shook at all of these games. 270 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:21,080 We we, we put out a call to some of our listeners have some 271 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,800 questions, we're going to pepper them in here, but now's a good 272 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,720 time. A question from Jay again. 273 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,880 Man, Indiana podcasters know that Raphael. 274 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,720 His question is who's the most overlooked returning player in 275 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,680 the Big 10? And tell me why it's Xavier 276 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,920 Johnson. That's hilarious. 277 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,880 That's hilarious, I would say. I mean, I wouldn't say the most 278 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,600 overlooked player in the league. I just would say. 279 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,440 I mean what I mean. It's one of those things where 280 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,200 basketball is what have you done for me lately, sport and you got 281 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,360 to come and play and it's a thing where he's been out for a 282 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,160 while. I mean even in the games where I 283 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,040 know he had a really good game at home last year, I mean in non 284 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,440 conference. But I mean you go and I like 285 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,760 Xavier Johnson. That's one of my favorite 286 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,760 players in the league. I mean especially off the court. 287 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,080 Good guy, tough kid. I think he's going to be 288 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,760 successful in life just because he got some grit to him. 289 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,880 So it's like he's one of my guys that. 290 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,640 I have no bad words to say about him, but if we're just being, if 291 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,800 we're talking real, that Kansas game last last season before he 292 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,960 goes down, I believe it was Kansas. 293 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,520 That doesn't help me. You know what I mean? 294 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,480 Games, those, those big games that they had early on in the 295 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,160 season where Indiana got the doors ran off of them. 296 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,480 It doesn't help them. You know what I mean? 297 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,720 So I like Xavier Johnson. I think he can prove a lot. 298 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,840 I think. I think he's just got to get 299 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,640 back into shape. But if it was a guy that I would 300 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,840 say. If people aren't talking about, 301 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,560 it would have to be a guy like a guy like Doug, a guy like Doug 302 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,840 at Michigan, a little Doug. Doug and Daniel, point guard. 303 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,800 I mean, the way he finished the season last year was really, 304 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,160 really special. Playing with two NBA lottery 305 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,920 picks, playing, I mean two first rounders and playing with 100. 306 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,960 Dickinson, I think the last 8-9 games of the season he averaged 307 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,200 15 and six. So I think he's a guy that no 308 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,600 one's really thinking about this season and that would be that 309 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,440 probably be the one I'm talking about. 310 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,040 OK. As you as you look at IU, you 311 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,640 know, over 2 years, I always think it's funny that you know 312 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,400 Mike Woodson has a a really good career in the NBA. 313 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,160 You know, took the Hawks to the playoffs the first time in 314 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,280 years, took the Knicks to the playoffs first time in years. 315 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,080 A lot of head coaching experience. 316 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,920 And he gets to college and he's like, I don't know, man, like 317 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,920 can he coach? Like yes, the guy can coach. 318 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,960 Obviously there are adjustments from the NBA to college, as you 319 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,880 see as someone who's played, who's you know, been coached, 320 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:38,040 how do you see Woodson adapting his coaching style from the NBA 321 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,640 to college over the last two years? 322 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,560 I mean, I think it's similar. I mean you look at, I know 323 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,480 everybody says you think about IU, last season they threw the 324 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,640 ball in a lot. But if you look at the numbers 325 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,200 and I'm not too big on like analytics, I'm just a, you got 326 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,720 to hoop for me. But Yep, compared to the first 327 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,960 year to the second year. They threw the ball inside less. 328 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,520 They set way more ball screens. I mean, they don't. 329 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,440 You look at how they beat Purdue. 330 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,360 It was ball screens. It was Jalen Hood, Shapino, top 331 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,480 of the key. Come set up ball screen. 332 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,800 Zac Edie's going to play drop coverage. 333 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,000 He can't do nothing with it. Pull up jumper. 334 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,080 And I mean that's, that's basketball, NBA, that's 335 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,560 basketball or college, that's basketball or high school. 336 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,280 Find a match, find a mismatch. I think sometimes we can kind of 337 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,160 get. What I want to say, we can get 338 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,160 lost in kind of the sauce a little bit where sometimes you 339 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,040 just find the match up, find the best match up. 340 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,840 If there's one thing I would say that coach is also struggling 341 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,640 with is got to have the guys to run certain stuff. 342 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,920 You can't just have a bunch of guys say, oh, I'm going to put 343 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,360 this offense in. The offense got to fit the guy, 344 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,120 like the play calls have to fit Trey Galloway's athleticism. 345 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,600 That's to fit Xavier Johnson's ability. 346 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,480 So you got to base it around that as well. 347 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,480 You can't just come in and say. I'm of a brand new offense 348 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,120 through how I want to do it, no matter my personnel. 349 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,920 But I think coaches adjusted well. 350 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,560 I mean he's obviously, I mean the way he's recruiting is is 351 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,160 special when you think about it like that the guys he's bringing 352 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,360 in, the guys he's getting and the kind of the the even just 353 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,080 the not even just on the floor. But I talk to guys a lot and I 354 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,120 see different guys and the way coaches really kind of brought 355 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,040 back a family feel to the players to Indiana, I think 356 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,080 that's going to be. I think that's sometimes may. 357 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,080 I know you want to win games, but sometimes the culture can 358 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,200 help and I think like a Michigan State and that grind week that 359 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,280 they have like Purdue and the alumni games. 360 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,600 I think Indiana's alumni base is so strong that Coach has done a 361 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,320 great job of getting the players back to campus and mixing those 362 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,160 generational gaps. So I think he's done a done a 363 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,600 really good job and it's only a matter of time before he gets 364 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,360 his guys in there. Yeah, no, you're you're right 365 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,840 about the, you know, having the guys. 366 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,440 I think that's what you know a lot of IU fans are interested to 367 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,840 see this year is, you know, when you have a player like Trace 368 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,839 Jackson Davis, like you, you have to run the ball through 369 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:06,119 him. I mean, you have a generational 370 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,200 talent. There's kind of what Purdue's 371 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,160 dealing with right now is like you have, you have Zach Edie and 372 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,280 somebody you got to run the ball to. 373 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,480 It's like it, but it's like you don't know, is that the offense 374 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,079 Woodson really wanted to run or is he running the offense to 375 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:19,960 best maximize his players? I think we'll see more of that 376 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,800 answer kind of, you know, figured out this year. 377 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,880 Yeah, exactly. I mean, look at Purdue like you 378 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,040 just said. Right now it's Zac Edie. 379 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,000 Couple years ago it was Carson Edwards. 380 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,840 It's a completely different offense, you know what I mean? 381 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,720 I mean years before that it was Robbie Hummel and each one more, 382 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,520 you know what I mean? So it just depends on who you 383 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,160 have at the time. If I go back to my, I mean go 384 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,320 back to my playing days, one year you have Yogi and James on 385 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,080 the perimeter and your perimeter based team. 386 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,720 But one year you may have Noah violate that could score the 387 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,080 ball on the block, you know what I mean? 388 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,520 So it just depends on your guys at that time every every. 389 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,320 Philosophy doesn't fit every team, especially when you come 390 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,760 into a team and you inherit and you inherit some guys. 391 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:03,000 But I think for Indiana this season, it's going to be about 392 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,280 scoring the ball and that the defensively. 393 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,960 I think they're going to have room protection. 394 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:07,920 I think they're going to be a rebound. 395 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,280 Well, I think Xavier Johnson is one of the, I mean, defensively, 396 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,080 Xavier Johnson and Trey Galloway is going to be one of the better 397 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,160 back courts on a defensive end, but I think it's going to come 398 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,000 down to just scoring the ball. They got to score the ball. 399 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,280 I mean, they didn't. I think it was, what, 2527 400 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:23,520 points in the first half or something. 401 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,840 I think they, if you can't score the ball now in the Big 10 with 402 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,000 athleticism that the top teams will have this season, it's 403 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,360 going to be hard for you because I don't see Michigan State, 404 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,040 Purdue. I mean, maybe I don't see 405 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,040 Michigan State, Maryland. I mean, you look at how Illinois 406 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,560 play. I don't see those teams scoring 407 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,120 in the 60s and the 50s. I think you're really going to 408 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:44,920 have to score to really kind of get there this year. 409 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:46,920 Yeah. No, I I completely agree. 410 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,400 You don't mind. I want to ask you some questions 411 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,400 kind of related to IU, but about your playing days, You know one 412 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,240 thing that's interesting, you're from Fort Wayne, My wife's from 413 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,680 Fort Wayne also. So shout out to to the FTW. 414 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,960 Here we go. Why does you know, I don't need 415 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,040 to get deep into your recruiting, but why does it seem 416 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,600 that Purdue just really recruits better in Northern Indiana? 417 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,000 I mean, you're from Fort Wayne, You know, you play with AJ 418 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,800 Hammond from Gary. You know, Swan again was from 419 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,200 Fort Wayne. You know, you mentioned Jayden 420 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,880 Ivey, obviously from like a South Bend area like, you know 421 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,120 and even like I think Juan Johnson was up from like East 422 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:22,880 Chicago. Like it, it it does. 423 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,440 As an Indiana fan, it feels like basically everything north of 424 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,720 I-70 is kind of just produced territory. 425 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,320 Is that the case? Is there something going on 426 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,720 there or is it just, you know, there's something, is something 427 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,400 going on up there? That's my question. 428 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,000 Yeah. No, I wouldn't say that because 429 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,600 I went to middle school with James Blackman. 430 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,560 I mean, he grew up together. So he's from Fort Wayne, I 431 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,080 think. I think Indiana. 432 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,120 I mean, you think about it. All the guys you named weren't 433 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,600 highly ranked in high school. I mean, Jay Knighty, the top 434 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,000 five pick, but I think he was top 90 in high school. 435 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,520 So, I mean, he wasn't a McDonald's All American. 436 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,440 You look at the guys they were getting when I played, it wasn't 437 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,840 Noah Vaughan Lays. I mean Yogi was a McDonald's All 438 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,480 American. Jay Blackman was there. 439 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,440 I mean they were getting, I mean you got Troy Williams Boo, That 440 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,000 was Boo Williams nephew. I mean you got Stan Robinson. 441 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,320 I think he came from some. He came from out of state. 442 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,080 So I mean, Indiana bring Victor Oladipo's from the East Coast. 443 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,160 I mean Kristen Bofford from Alabama. 444 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,000 I think Indiana's recruiting. Is more of a national base. 445 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,280 Thing is I think they stretch the borders a little further. 446 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,720 I think they go after more highly ranked players or 447 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,160 McDonald's all Americans. You look at what Coach Wilson is 448 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,720 doing right now and I think, I think Payne is OK with getting 449 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:33,280 guys that fit what he want to do. 450 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:38,640 So I would say I would say that. And then for me, I mean how you 451 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,000 recruited me early I went to, I mean Kelvin Simpson and Ray 452 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,680 McCallum. I mean talk to me they coming to 453 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,040 games and then that next year when Cream came in, I remember 454 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,200 going to that Elite camp. But I I would say just I would 455 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,000 say just that and I would say also too also too I would say 456 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,880 maybe no one wants to talk about this now but I mean you're 457 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,560 paying college players now but you also think about AAU and and 458 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,320 IU gets a lot of Indiana Elite guys. 459 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,360 I mean it's Adidas it get. It's just a nice natural kind of 460 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:10,360 transition. They may be just too 461 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:13,520 straightforward to say. And then you think of Purdue. 462 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,040 They get a lot of indie heat guys. 463 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,000 And like all the guys you named were indie heat guys. 464 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,240 You name myself AJ Bryson. I mean, we were all team mates. 465 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,760 And then you bring in Jay Knivey. 466 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,600 He was a indie heat guy. Caleb first, but your lawyer. 467 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,920 But then you think about it in Indiana, I mean Yogi and those 468 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,840 guys, it's like, I mean Cody Zeller. 469 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,720 It's a Jordan Halls. I mean, it's a big, I think that 470 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,800 plays a part as well. So, I mean, that's just my 471 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,440 honest opinion and that's just kind of how I feel about it. 472 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,880 I think Woodson is kind of going, Woody is going after, 473 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,560 he's just getting dogs, he's just getting players. 474 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,880 So I think it would change with him. 475 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,840 But I think AAU played a part for a long time. 476 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:53,120 Yeah, well, and there's also, there's just a part as an IU fan 477 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,720 where it's like anybody who's good from who ends up being 478 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,440 good, who's from the state of Indiana, like we're pissed. 479 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,360 We're like come on, it should have gone to IU like so even the 480 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:02,120 the IT doesn't even matter on that. 481 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,040 Yeah, Indiana was, I mean especially for a while, Indiana 482 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,720 was getting all the guys remember my class. 483 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,600 I mean it was my class. It was Yogi Jeremy, Ron 484 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,920 Patterson, Hunter. I went to high school with 485 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,480 Hunter and then it was, it was, oh, I mean it wasn't Big O, it 486 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,280 was Peter. I think so. 487 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,440 I mean that was supposed to be one of the best classes in the 488 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,360 country. All five of those guys were from 489 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,720 Indiana. All of those guys play for 490 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,520 Adidas AAU program. So I think, and you go back to 491 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,720 even like Juan Johnson and those dudes, I mean, I mean, Eric 492 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,480 Gordon was in that class. Eric Gordon came to Indiana over 493 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,360 Etwan Moore, you know what I mean? 494 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,400 He goes to Purdue. So I think for a while Purdue 495 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,920 was kind of getting those. I mean, maybe not saying how you 496 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,000 say it, but Indiana was kind of getting first pick for a while 497 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,600 and I think now it's kind of paint's done a great job 498 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,120 leveling that out. So you mentioned the NIL thing. 499 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:55,840 One of the questions we got from Michael is you know he said 500 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,000 probably a question you can't answer honestly, which I get, 501 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,960 but would be curious to know how different you think your 502 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,560 recruiting would have been if you recruit in the NIL era. 503 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,240 And I want to tack one thing on to that just kind of give you a 504 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,720 more open question to answer is. You know, as you mentioned, you 505 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,720 went to Purdue in 2013. You know, you went like in 2011, 506 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,800 I'm telling you stuff you all know. 507 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,120 But 2011, Purdue went 26 and eight. 508 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:20,920 It's kind of the end of that Juan Johnson each one more era 509 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,760 2012 Purdue went 22 and 13. That's the end of, you know, 510 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,440 Robbie Hummel's time. So you're getting recruited 511 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,840 while Purdue is just, you know, kicking ass in the Big 10. 512 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,880 And then your first year, there they go, 16 and 18. 513 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,600 You probably saw. You know, you probably saw that. 514 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,880 Happening a little bit with some of those guys leaving, you 515 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,040 probably weren't expecting that. And as you mentioned your 516 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,720 sophomore year and you went 15 and 17, you finished two and 12 517 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,160 down the stretch. You know, I'm curious, you know, 518 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,360 along with the nil for recruiting, you know, how would 519 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:51,120 do you think if there was the transfer portal today, would 520 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,200 that have affected, you know, how those teams would have been 521 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,920 constructed or how you would have looked at it? 522 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,120 I'm not saying, like, would you have transferred because I know 523 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:00,960 you're a Purdue guy, but just kind of like how that mindset 524 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,040 might have changed during your time in college. 525 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,160 No. Yeah, I get what you're saying. 526 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,480 But I want to answer this like the first question. 527 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,640 I think we said from Michael, I mean, I was recruited in the nil 528 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,200 space. I don't want anyone to ever hold 529 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,760 on one second. My son is crying, but I want 530 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,080 anyone to ever look past that. Like the nil space. 531 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,840 The nil was always there. I mean, guys were always getting 532 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:22,880 paid. Guys were. 533 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,600 Your son's crying. He's like Raphael. 534 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,480 You should have taken more money. 535 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,720 Like Dad. He should have gotten more. 536 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,000 I'm just kidding. No, guys have always been 537 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,600 getting paid. I mean, I didn't go that route 538 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,000 in high school. My parents didn't. 539 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,840 So I mean that's always been a thing. 540 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,120 I mean, so before NIO, it's been prevalent in college basketball. 541 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:43,400 But for me, it was. I committed to Purdue actually 542 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,840 in 2010. So I was already committed 543 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,520 through all of that. I got, I was going to games 544 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,000 before kind of what you're mentioning, you know what I 545 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,400 mean? So the years you're mentioning, 546 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,800 I was already committed. So I committed a little bit each 547 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:04,000 one's sophomore year, kind of maybe boilers time when they 548 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,960 really kind of got rolling. So I think for me, I kind of 549 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,520 fell in love with the school. I had chances to and like I 550 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,160 said, the transfer portal thing, transform was real prevalent at 551 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,880 that time too. Maybe you had to sit out a year, 552 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,960 but each year I was at Purdue, we got transfers. 553 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,920 So you know what I mean? So and at that time the grad 554 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,880 transfer rule was in at that time. 555 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,840 So I don't think I I wouldn't have transferred. 556 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,040 I kind of stuck through it and it's all the things where 557 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,920 transfer for what? I look at guys and sometimes I 558 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,120 say you're transferring and sometimes guys think they 559 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:43,120 transfer to a new situation and everything's going to fix 560 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:46,120 itself. But sometimes as we get older, 561 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:49,120 you realize that when you transfer, your problems are 562 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:50,960 coming with you. You don't just leave the 563 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,440 problem, especially if you have individual problems or you're 564 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,320 blaming stuff on the coach or you're not taking care of your 565 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,120 business and your family thinks it's the coach and it's really 566 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,600 you. I would say your problems are 567 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,040 going to transfer with you like guys that left Purdue. 568 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,320 I think maybe only one of them had a successful career after 569 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,400 that and I think I wouldn't have left. 570 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,920 We had a lot of guys that didn't leave after the year we finished 571 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,520 last place in the league. We lost a couple of seniors and 572 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,120 then we lost. I got we only had three 573 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:23,040 returning guys myself that played games myself, AJ Kendall 574 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,400 and then Bryson Sky. End up transferring badly. 575 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,160 Smother. I mean I look at the class I 576 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,120 came into 2012, the 2011 full, everybody in that class 577 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:35,240 transferred 2013, everybody in that class transferred and knows 578 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,000 where the down days of Purdue. And I think once you get guys to 579 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,000 buy in and want to stick around, that's kind of when you get good 580 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,360 years. Because I say that and after all 581 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:48,520 those guys transferred that next year we go third in the league, 582 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,960 we go second in the league, then they win the league and then 583 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,080 next, you know Elite 8 and they win the league again. 584 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,520 And I think the longevity of something matters. 585 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,960 No, I I agree. And it it kind of leads into 586 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,560 something you'd mentioned earlier about you know something 587 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,840 Purdue and Michigan State you guys have both done so good at 588 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,280 it that definitely Purdue from Katie right into Painter is you 589 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,040 know you guys embrace embrace your former players. 590 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,760 You have a culture there. You know Gene Katie's on the 591 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,600 sideline. Yeah, I'm curious as as an 592 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,280 indie, I mean so I'm, I'm a little bit older than you like 593 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,240 an Indiana fan. I go back to the to the night 594 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,320 days. You know, it's it was always 595 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,080 tough seeing the division. I mean there's a lot of history. 596 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,280 It's a whole like podcast series on what happened with night and 597 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,120 all that. But it's like it sucked as an 598 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,160 Indiana fan that it's like we're we're good, but it's like we're 599 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,240 not embracing the past, but we're kind of trying to and this 600 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,440 and that. I I'm curious, does that you 601 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,640 know now now that Woodson's doing it, it's like, man, this 602 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,040 feels good, it's nice. It's nice to have all that back. 603 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,880 I'm just curious as a, you know, when you were a high school 604 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,120 player, does that, does that actually matter? 605 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:47,320 I mean, I know it matters like you know, the answer is always 606 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,600 like, you know, some to some people. 607 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,000 But I'm just curious, does that matter Because it seems to 608 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,400 matter with like Purdue and Michigan State. 609 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,280 It's like they've been just the class of the Big 10 for 20 610 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,560 years. They both have continuity. 611 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,960 They both have, you know, they bring the past in, you know, do 612 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,080 you think that matters like looking at it from an IU 613 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,880 perspective that now that we're doing that like. 614 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,280 Is that actually going to be something that helps or is it 615 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,560 just something that's kind of nice for fans but doesn't really 616 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,560 matter for, you know, incoming recruits? 617 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,160 Why it matters? I think, I think the best 618 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,360 recruiters in a program are the players are the former players. 619 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:22,040 I mean, every guy that I hosted on The Visit in my college 620 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,000 career, they committed to Purdue. 621 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,800 Every single one of them, maybe even my senior year it's got. 622 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,640 A record, man. That should be on the wall 623 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,960 somewhere in Purdue. I mean, every guy I, I I mean 624 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,120 every guy. I even stayed on campus late for 625 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,040 like the code. I remember Dakota Matthias came 626 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,080 to canvas. I think it was like Easter 627 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,480 weekend or something. I stuck around just to kind of 628 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,120 like be around and hang out whatever. 629 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,800 He end up committing. I mean Isaac was one of my guys. 630 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,040 I mean, because he was with a JAJAJ was my guys. 631 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,000 I mean, I mean thinking about even my senior year. 632 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,920 I'm not playing with the team. But they sent Carson with me. 633 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,160 The next thing you know what I mean. 634 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,120 So it's one of the things where I think the players are your 635 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,200 best recruiters, especially when it comes to parents, 'cause I 636 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,480 can still remember now. I get to come back to campus and 637 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,120 I'm seeing guys, and unsolicited, I can go just talk 638 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,760 to families that I don't know who's who. 639 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,680 I could just pop in and say, man, somebody may ask me a 640 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,880 question, I can talk about my experience. 641 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,520 And I think a player's experience is the best 642 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,920 experience you can have, especially those players that 643 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,160 aren't your first round draft picks. 644 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,960 Aren't you McDonald's? Aren't you all Americans like 645 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,280 myself, I can use myself, for example, and just that I know me 646 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,120 the best. So I graduate from Purdue. 647 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,040 I go play a little bit, but I get hurt. 648 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,440 I have that story where, you know, the basketball player gets 649 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,320 hurt. What does he do? 650 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,440 I ripped your disc in my back and I ended up getting a job 651 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,000 with Eli Lilly and I was in pharmaceutical sales for four 652 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,320 years. So. 653 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,520 And then when I get out of that, I'm able to call Coach Painter 654 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,560 and kind of ask for a little bit of direction because Painter is 655 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,840 the one that put the bug in my ear about sports of me being a 656 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,040 sports broadcaster and think things like this. 657 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,840 So I think when. So when the parent asks me a 658 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,800 question, I can I can share that, you know what I mean? 659 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,240 And I think parents care more about those. 660 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,120 Experienced parents care more about what is my kid getting 661 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,600 outside of basketball. And I think with IU, with Coach 662 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,720 Woodson and with with the the alum and with the alumni base 663 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,240 that Indiana has, I think I I definitely think it matters. 664 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,360 I think it matters when 20 years from now, I mean you one of 665 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,400 those Michigan State players can call Coach Izzo and maybe he can 666 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,320 help him get a job or something. You know what I mean? 667 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,840 I think that, I mean you look at Tom Izzo and Jason Richardson, 668 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,920 he coached Jason Richardson and just two couple weeks ago his 669 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,200 son Jason Richardson just commits to go play for Tom Izo 670 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,240 and he's happens to be a McDonald's All American now, you 671 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,440 know what I mean? So I I 100% think it matters. 672 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,160 I think it may not show itself on the court, but I think, I 673 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,520 think, I think when Draymond Green is FaceTime and AJ Hogard, 674 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,920 that gives them something. You know that when the team 675 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,360 cleaves is calling Tyson Walker or calling Jeremy Fears and 676 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,400 giving them a message that Tom Izzo doesn't have to but he 677 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,000 wants to, they're going to hear it different from that player, I 678 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,000 think. I think that stuff matters, You 679 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000 know what I mean? I think when I was in college, 680 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,280 getting a text message from Louis Jackson after we lose a 681 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,360 game or getting a talk with Dejuan Johnson in the offseason 682 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,160 in the Cardinal gym, just talking about the game and life 683 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,360 in college. I think that I mean each one 684 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,080 more will come back and he would take us to eat, take us to B 685 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,840 dubs every summer and just pay for the meal and solicit it. 686 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,560 Just kind of hanging out with the guys. 687 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,880 And I think that stuff matters. And I think that helps the 688 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,240 program, that helps the players, that helps the players feel a 689 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,680 part of something and that also helps when it comes to 690 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,320 transferring. You look at Michigan State, you 691 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,200 look at Purdue, they're not losing too many transference, 692 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,520 you know what I mean? And when they do lose one, you 693 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,400 think of Brandon Newman or think of Michigan State losing their 694 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,240 guy. It's a guy where you normally 695 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,480 understand, OK, we get it. We get why they're transferring. 696 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,520 They're not losing guys. And you're like, oh wow, they 697 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,080 left, you know what I mean? So I think it helps with the 698 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,400 program. It kind of even if we don't 699 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,800 succeed in basketball here, we may not be first, second round 700 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,680 draft picks may have to play overseas. 701 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,040 But when we're done, Purdue's going to take care of us. 702 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,160 And I think you need to have that type of track record and 703 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,400 parents seeing that. But I think Coach Woodson is 704 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,520 going to get any guy he recruits. 705 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,760 You know what I mean? Just got. 706 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,440 I mean I think he got one of my favorite high school players 707 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,200 just a couple weeks ago. Liam Mcneely. 708 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,960 I think he's the guy. I mean you get. 709 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,480 I know Mckenzie's the NBA player maybe leaves after this year. 710 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,640 But if it's a situation where McKenzie stays and you get Liam 711 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,920 Mcneely on the wing with him and then you get Dairy Queen and 712 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,520 Khalil Ware, I mean, come on man. 713 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,160 You know what I mean. So I think it just takes a while 714 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,960 and it takes time for guys to stay. 715 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,600 Like, I don't know, like, I know Paul Biancardi. 716 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600 I've talked to Paul Biancardi. He didn't project Jalen Hood 717 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,120 Safino to be a one and done lobby. 718 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,920 You know what I mean? That wasn't we knew you knew he 719 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,360 had it in them. But he wasn't a guy that Oh 720 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,040 yeah, he's definitely leaving after this year and maybe coach 721 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,400 would have projected him to be there two years and then you get 722 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,720 Jalen Hood Safino with Mackenzie. 723 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,720 You know what I mean? You built that way. 724 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,800 But I think sometimes it's about getting the right pieces and 725 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,200 getting the pieces to stay. And I think Purdue and Michigan, 726 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,640 Purdue has done a good job. We keep going back to Purdue 727 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,640 because that's why I played for it. 728 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,000 But they've done a good job of being able to. 729 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,760 They've done a good job being able to keep productive role 730 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,480 players in the in the spots and keep them longer. 731 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,920 And I think even like AJ Knight and staying two years, that 732 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,720 helps Purdue and it helps him. So I think, I think it's one of 733 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,960 those things where I think Indiana's right there and it's 734 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,080 not like Indiana's bottom of the league and nothing, but when you 735 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,520 get into one and done, it kind of hurts the process a little 736 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,560 bit. Yeah. 737 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,160 No, no it's everything you said is is spot on and that's like 738 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,400 it's it's tough because I mean when I grew up that's what 739 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,840 Indiana had is you had you know guys love playing for Knight 740 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,240 because he coached hard. But it's also like you have like 741 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,320 Isaiah Thomas coming back and it's like you you know Knight 742 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,520 help offered start getting you know his career in coaching. 743 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,960 It's like it's Night was there for them afterwards and it felt 744 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,520 like we kind of went away from that for a while and everything 745 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,560 you said is like, I feel like that's. 746 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,320 What we're getting back with Woodson, I also think this is 747 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,520 where you know it's take a tangent here but some we talk 748 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,520 about in the pod a lot. I think for these larger 749 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,800 programs like being the basketball coach in Indiana is 750 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,360 almost like you know the the best analogy is almost like a 751 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,320 religious figure like you you have to know how to coach but 752 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,320 you also know how to like manage the I think same thing for 753 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,880 Purdue same thing for Michigan State. 754 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,480 And it's like I I do think that for a guy like Woodson coming in 755 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,400 who kind of is comfortable with himself and isn't. 756 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,000 You know, I I'm not saying anything about the our previous 757 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,719 coaches, but I do wonder sometimes you come in, you're 758 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,320 younger, you're not connected with Indiana. 759 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,040 It's like I want to go against all that and prove it's like my 760 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,000 program where it's like I don't think Woodson has it, You know, 761 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000 he's he's not trying to, I mean he obviously is trying to prove 762 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,920 something. It's like dude, he's had a 763 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,480 career, he's had a great career. It's like I'm not trying to 764 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,920 prove anything. It's like, I'm just going to use 765 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,600 everything to my advantage. No. 766 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,040 Yeah, exactly. And I think it's something 767 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,520 simple with, I mean something I loved. 768 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,400 I was in Assembly Hall and like I said, my my dream my sophomore 769 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,200 year. We finished last place in the 770 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,760 big team that year, but we, we beat Indiana and Matt and it was 771 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,880 like our Super Bowl and it meant something to us. 772 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,080 We were bottom of the league, but before that game we were It 773 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,520 means something to us because paint expressed how much it 774 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,320 meant. We got AI. 775 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,400 Think a voicemail from Big Dog or Joe Barry Carroll talking 776 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,040 about the Lump, talking about the rivalry, like you know what 777 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,600 I mean? You, you, you. 778 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,560 Even if you're not from Indiana, Isaac Haas felt how big, you 779 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,840 know what I mean? You feel something. 780 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,880 You feel a part of that rivalry, like you're embedded. 781 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,120 And I've talked to Indiana guys. I mean, I talked to David 782 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,680 Johnson a while ago and I'm, I mean, Big Ted media day and I 783 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:40,920 asked him, I said that Indiana. I said you may not be from 784 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,960 Indiana, but you understand the game Now. 785 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,840 I think some of the players before Coach Woodson didn't 786 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,520 understand how big that game was because maybe their coach wasn't 787 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,640 a part of that, you know what I mean? 788 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,960 I think when you have a coach that's a part of that game, 789 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,920 that's a part of that university, they understand 790 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,280 little things like that, that maybe not it, so they can 791 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,320 understand that week of that Purdue game you like. 792 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,560 I was talking to Xavier Johnson, he said. 793 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,920 Coach had former guys call in, coach had them talking to guys 794 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,520 about how big that game was and you could tell. 795 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,880 You could see how after they won that game, it wasn't just the 796 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,720 fans storming the court. The players wanted them to and 797 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,840 was Coach Woodson, the celebration he had and you could 798 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,560 see that is a big game for the state. 799 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,520 And I think in previous, like when we went on that run, that 800 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,440 eight-year run like Rob Johnson, I don't think he ever understood 801 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,000 how big that game was, you know what I mean? 802 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,640 I don't know if Troy understood how big that or Thomas Bryant 803 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,240 'cause they're not from here, they maybe didn't get it the 804 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:39,760 same. I don't know, I wasn't there. 805 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,040 But I think these guys now with Coach Woodson, with guys like AJ 806 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:49,000 Guy and being back around the program, they you understand now 807 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,360 the history behind it. You understand that this is the 808 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,320 game on the calendar. Records go out the window. 809 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,800 This one matters. And I think now they have that. 810 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,920 You can see it last year they, I mean they came out there with 811 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,520 the game last year like with the Super Bowl both times as they 812 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,480 should because that's how it's pumped up. 813 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,600 I can remember being in Mackie. We're going we're practicing to 814 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,440 play Indiana and Coach has the speakers blaring and Mackie, we 815 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,080 can't even hear each other because that we're simulating 816 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,760 how loud assembly hogs going to be. 817 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,320 And we're we're, we're that's the only time we did that all 818 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,880 year And in Michigan State is loud, Illinois is loud, but it 819 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,440 means something to go to Assembly Hall and try to win. 820 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,880 And I think now both programs have that and I think that 821 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,080 rivalry is is back and it's good for basketball. 822 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,800 I completely agree. It's nice to finally win some of 823 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,600 those. Again, It's it's it's been too 824 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,040 long. You mentioned, but I won't say 825 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,200 my bad, I won't cut you off. But I will say my I think we'll 826 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,160 start at that. I think we'll start at that kind 827 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,880 of that, that. I think it was like 9 games 828 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,840 straight my freshman year. We were terrible and that was 829 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,760 the victor of the depot year. That was Cody Taylor, and we're 830 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,280 in Matthew. And I mean will she. 831 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,320 He flexes to the pace. I know she he does. 832 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,280 That I know when that. Happened. 833 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,160 That's cut you off. But when that happened, as a 834 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,360 fan, I'm like, dude, like I knew OL Depot and Zeller were more 835 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,880 than likely gone and it's like, oh man, they're going to, 836 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,360 they're going to kill us. They're going to, they're going 837 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,320 to play that for a year and there's that's they're going to 838 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,360 go with she he next year. I knew it that was on a loop. 839 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,680 And then also also Indiana pressed us to the end almost. 840 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,760 I mean they were up 30 thirty 23rd. 841 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,840 I mean they and I mean they they pressed us. 842 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,480 They pressed the backups. They pressed the walk ONS, they 843 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,600 put it on us. And I mean they they they put 844 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,320 our footage. They put their foot in our neck 845 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,880 a little bit And I think Coach I think, I think that left a sour 846 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,520 taste in the coach's mouth. And I think from then on, I 847 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,920 think I'm just glad it's back to now. 848 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,400 Both teams are going to win some, and I'm even this year. 849 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,640 I'm excited for that game because it's an extra level of 850 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,680 intensity to it. And I thought, no matter. 851 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,280 Like I said, records go out the window. 852 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,160 It's kind of, it's kind of what a dogfight every time. 853 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,520 And it's a game where on both sides you could leave a legacy. 854 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,400 You could be John Nochias and have a dunk on the masses. 855 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,920 John Nochias was at Purdue one year, but fans will remember him 856 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,520 forever for that dunk. You know what I mean? 857 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,840 I mean, or Sterling Carter, that game he had at Mackie when we 858 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,880 were last placed in the league. Like fans remember that IU game, 859 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,520 you got him a terrible year, but you get one or two good players 860 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,400 about that IU game, you you're a hero. 861 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,920 So I think it's it means something. 862 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:17,720 Yeah, well, and then you got to, I mean, I got to fight for my 863 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:19,160 like that last year with Jane Lucifino. 864 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,480 Just had a freaking great game at Purdue. 865 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,720 It's like, my God, he just, yeah, he just went nuts. 866 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,760 You mentioned all the other places in the Big 10 to play. 867 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,440 I'm curious. You know, we can ask like, you 868 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,120 know, what's the toughest place to play and all that? 869 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,240 I'm curious, who has some of the funniest fans out there? 870 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:37,240 Because I'm sure you hear a bunch of stuff, people talking 871 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:40,440 all kinds of smack and all the arenas, but is there a fan base 872 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,440 that year in year out you're just like hearing stuff and 873 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,560 you're like damn, like that's that's pretty funny. 874 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,960 I think Indiana's is funny. I think because you going to, I 875 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,840 would like, I used to like to go into the crowd before the game. 876 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,480 If you get there early enough, you can go into student section. 877 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,160 You can see what the students say about you on a sheet. 878 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the other day I looked at 879 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,680 Michigan State and Michigan State, they did it for their 880 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,520 exhibition against Hillsdale. So it's like, I think Indiana, I 881 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,480 think Indiana found one of my tweets from high school and it 882 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,920 was like, I should just go out, I should just put some soap in 883 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,040 my car while it's raining and just let the rain wash my car or 884 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,640 something Like it was. I just thought that was 885 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,440 creative. I thought that was creative. 886 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,160 And I would say. Just because of the riot and and 887 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,520 to my siblings went to Indiana. My older sister she graduate 888 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,080 from Indiana. My older brother graduate from 889 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,320 Indiana. My brother had a Barber shop on 890 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,400 campus in Bloomington and Yogi and James and Stan and all those 891 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,960 Detroit they all get their haircut there and then we would 892 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,280 come down and get our haircut there. 893 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,360 So going to Indiana would always would always be fun. 894 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,040 So I would say Indiana, because you may be we may we get our 895 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,800 haircut, we may just go to, I think it's called Buffalo, 896 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,000 Louis, we need to go get wings and you get heckled against the 897 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,240 wings. You know what I mean? 898 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,360 I remember I'm in Indiana, I got heckled about Denzel Valentine 899 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,640 one time. So it's like, yeah, it's one of 900 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,920 those things I like going down there. 901 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:06,520 That's good. I'm happy. 902 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,200 It's good-natured you know it's that's that's the part where 903 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,960 it's like you know in the end it's like the your college kids. 904 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,440 It's like I I think it's always, I prefer the fun, good-natured 905 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,920 ribbing than when it gets to like hardcore and serious that's 906 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,280 that's good to hear. I'm happy, yeah. 907 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,680 Like I always say good. Like, I mean, like I said, we 908 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,240 grow up with a lot of those guys, especially like like I 909 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,680 remember James in 6th grade, I'm in 8th grade, we don't lose a 910 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,960 game. And like Yogi, we met in 6th 911 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,280 grade. And like you grow up with these 912 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,120 guys. So when we do come to 913 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,320 Bloomington or you do come down there, those guys are just a 914 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,040 phone call away if something gets hectic. 915 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,200 And like I said, my siblings were on, were on campus before 916 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,560 me. So I know people and it's like a 917 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,680 thing where it's it's a good robbery on the floor. 918 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,160 And when it's like a year like last year, I think when it's 919 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,520 competitive, I think that helps. And I think everyone understands 920 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,360 when it's good on the court and the guys, when the guys get 921 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,720 along, it's always better. So I'm going to get you out of 922 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,520 here on this Rafael. You've been you've been awesome 923 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,600 this is this has been a great I could do this for another hour 924 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,280 honestly. But I hear your your son's back 925 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,680 there he wants he wants his dad back. 926 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,960 I'm going to get you like I wasn't sure if I was going to 927 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,760 ask this I'm like I'm not sure if I. 928 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,200 But anyway this is from one of our listeners from Rob. 929 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,520 This is a deep cut, but I'm curious so. 930 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,280 During your senior year at home against Maryland, Rafael was 931 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,680 called for a double tech foul with Diamond Stone. 932 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,720 Maybe you can't. Maybe you can't say what 933 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,560 happened. But he's really curious what was 934 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,800 going on there. I can definitely tell you what 935 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,560 happened because I did it on purpose for no reason, 936 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,880 unprovoked. OK? 937 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,000 Because I was that guy. I was like we were playing 938 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,480 Maryland, I think Maryland at that time. 939 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,280 I want to say. I guess it's off the top of my 940 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,760 head. They're top ten in the country. 941 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,880 Maybe. And Dickie V is there. 942 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,360 Like, I remember Dickie V he shouted out my brother's 943 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,080 barbershop because it was that barbershop I'm talking about and 944 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,160 he shouted barbershop. I remember watching it back, 945 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,800 hearing that that was cool and it was one of those games where 946 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,840 it's hyped up. It's a full crowd and we are we 947 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,440 are busting Maryland. We are. 948 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,280 We busted a head all game long and then it's coming down the 949 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,400 second-half and they go on a run like every good team does mellow 950 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,240 Trimble. He starts killing Rasheed 951 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,680 Superman. I think he was out there, but 952 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,240 they go on. They go on a run and if I've 953 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,760 been in these games, it feels like if we don't get the energy 954 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,120 back, I can see my We had young guys too. 955 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,360 I can see our guys head dropping. 956 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,080 You know what I mean? I can see kind of oh, this is a 957 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,840 run. Our guys are getting hit in the 958 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:25,960 mouth. It's all about how do you 959 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,680 basketball is about all about how can you respond from a run. 960 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,360 For me, it was kind of and they were going on a run and they 961 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,720 made a big play. You know one of those players 962 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,120 when you're on the road, the gym gets quiet, their team storms 963 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,560 the floor and I'm looking at Vince and I can still remember 964 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,640 Vince and I can see him and he just dropped his head and I for 965 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,080 me it was kind of we got to get going. 966 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,480 We need some energy in the crowd. 967 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,360 We just need something. So they rush they their bench 968 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,080 rushes the floor after a time out and I just take his 969 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,480 opportunity to push diamond Stone in his chest for no 970 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,520 reason. Like he was just in the way and 971 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,240 I just pushed he and kind of got to the bench and I just started 972 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,520 talking mad trash or like you know what I mean? 973 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,320 And next, you know, that got us going and I think we got that 974 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,760 win. So I don't know. 975 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,800 Sometimes as a leader, as a captain, and it was a terrible 976 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,480 time to get a tech in because I didn't know they were going to 977 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,680 call a double tech. What does what does Coach 978 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:17,480 Painter say when you come back to the bench after that? 979 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,800 Does he know what you're trying to do or is he just ripping your 980 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,400 ass? Oh no, I mean, well no, coach, 981 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,760 Coach. I mean by that time like I was a 982 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:24,920 three-year captain. It wasn't. 983 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,640 Really. Really. 984 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,800 No, no it wasn't. Not. 985 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,760 No kind of. We just kind of kept playing 986 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,440 because and it was a double tech so it's kind of didn't really 987 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,480 matter and he got the crowd into it and we come out, we score and 988 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,240 then we win that game. So I mean if if maybe if I would 989 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:42,200 have got attacked and we would have lost, maybe I get ripped, 990 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,240 but right. Payton would always say like 991 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:48,480 even when it came to scouts like the Y'all Defensive Player of 992 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,320 the Year he would let me change stuff in the scout. 993 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,480 If I want to guard something something a certain way if I 994 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,200 thought it would work. But he would always say if it if 995 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,840 this doesn't work. He was saying that some choice 996 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,000 language but if it if this doesn't work, we're going to do 997 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,840 this my way. And then that's kind of how 998 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,840 paint was. If it worked out for us, he'll 999 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,400 roll with you but you gotta win. But now I remember that. 1000 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,560 I'm glad you asked that. That's that's the play where 1001 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,280 like I can understand Xavier Johnson. 1002 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,920 I can understand you need that guy on the team that's going to 1003 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,360 ruffle you up. Sometimes it's going to get 1004 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,440 other guys going. I remember last year when TJD he 1005 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,600 got in Mason Gillis's face and Mason Gillis is produced tough 1006 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:25,960 guy. He's the tough guy. 1007 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,440 And TJD was looked at as like just that guy, really. 1008 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,800 I mean he wasn't the tough guy coming into the year, guys will 1009 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,640 try to punk him a little bit. He got chest to chest, nose and 1010 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,760 nose. Mason Gillis and he he. 1011 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,560 I mean, I don't I love Mason. But it looked as if he punk 1012 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,240 Mason out and that gives your team a certain edge. 1013 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:48,200 And if you have that certain edge against certain people, you 1014 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,440 win those games and you can punk a lot of guys out in college 1015 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,600 basketball. And I think like a guy like Trey 1016 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,280 Galloway, he's going to punk a lot of guys out. 1017 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,280 David Johnson going to punk a lot of guys out. 1018 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,400 They're just going to be on the offensive end. 1019 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,880 Can they flip it? And came Mackenzie, came Khalil 1020 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,440 Can, they can. They really put the ball in a 1021 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,080 basket and they let those two guys be kind of complimentary 1022 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,880 players. Yeah, I mean that's the thing 1023 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,800 with Xavier that I I love watching him play. 1024 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,880 I mean, I saw the very, I think our first game, the first big 1025 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,080 game he played and was I think Saint John's like three years 1026 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,240 ago. And I'm, I'm down there watching 1027 00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,680 the game and it's like I just. I see the intensity Xavier plays 1028 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,640 with. It's like, oh man, like I I love 1029 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,560 players like that where it's like you got to give him a 1030 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,200 little brake pedal and not gas. Like it's I think it's always 1031 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,960 better just to, you know have to put bumpers up to try and keep 1032 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,640 someone in the lane, you know, mentally. 1033 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,200 And it's like, I love that. And for me, it's like I look at 1034 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,560 this team. It's a young team. 1035 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,840 You know the the question marks about where are kind of like, 1036 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,800 you know, can he get that dog and that motor in them. 1037 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,360 It's like to me there's no better leader for this team at 1038 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,760 this time than Xavier Johnson. I'm so happy he got the 1039 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,480 clearance to come back because like I I I think. 1040 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,240 The way I look at it is like, I'm sure Wood is going to be 1041 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:55,320 tough on him, but I I imagine if any of the guys are soft or not 1042 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,640 going in practice, I don't think X is going to let them get away 1043 00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,480 with it. You can see it yesterday. 1044 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,760 I mean in the scrimmage. I mean he he wanted to, I don't 1045 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,280 know who it was, but he wanted to cuss a guy out on the floor 1046 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,200 when they didn't run the play right and you could see it. 1047 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,600 Now that's what you need from your leader. 1048 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:09,960 You need that from your six year guy. 1049 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,280 Especially when you have young guys. 1050 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,920 You need someone to show the young guys what tough, what real 1051 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,280 toughness is, because there's a difference between being a punk 1052 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,400 and being tough. You could be a punk on the floor 1053 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,600 or you could be tough on the floor. 1054 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,520 I think David Johnson is a real, he's tough. 1055 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,640 I think he has real deal toughness off the floor, on the 1056 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,120 floor. I think he's been through 1057 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,400 things. I think he's had experiences and 1058 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,080 I think he has a level of toughness where he's going to 1059 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,200 show Gabe cups, college basketball toughness every day 1060 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,240 in practice. You know what I mean? 1061 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:41,080 I think that, that and he's going, if a guy tries to rough 1062 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,320 up McKenzie in the game, he's going to be the guy to go push a 1063 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,760 guy, shove a guy, you know what I mean? 1064 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,440 And that just your teammates feel safe around you. 1065 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,040 They feel comfortable. You the guy that they lean on 1066 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,520 and he should be that guy and that. 1067 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,720 Hey, I like Xavier. I like, I like what he brings to 1068 00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:58,640 the floor and I like how he protects his players. 1069 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,760 And I think I think his level of toughness rubbed off on a TJD 1070 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,920 last season. I think guys like that help your 1071 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,720 program and they help your young guys grow throughout the season. 1072 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:14,160 As long as as long as he can keep his head on straight, it 1073 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,320 doesn't try to get it all back too fast. 1074 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,880 And especially as seniors as fifth year guys, six year guys, 1075 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,560 once once middle of seasons comes, you start to think about 1076 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,280 what's next and that's when you kind of see older guys start to 1077 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,840 Dick when they start to think about what am I doing next? 1078 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,680 I'm not getting drafted. Am I going overseas? 1079 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,360 Am I going to the G League? Am I even going to play ball? 1080 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,200 Because that's the part no one talks about. 1081 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,840 For older guys, you would see kind of where Indiana goes kind 1082 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,040 of mid season, kind of if he's trying to do too much, trying to 1083 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,280 prove it or if he's really just playing the game to naturally 1084 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,200 just throw himself Because the way he finished. 1085 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,400 And I know, my bad, I'm being long winded. 1086 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,760 But the new news is. Fantastic. 1087 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,000 Go the way he finished two year, two seasons ago. 1088 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,360 Indiana doesn't make the tournament without him. 1089 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,040 I think he was averaging like 18 and seven to finish eighteen and 1090 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,880 six to finish the year or something like that. 1091 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,360 He started pushing the tempo, gave him pace to the team, like 1092 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,160 if he plays last year, it's a different team. 1093 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,400 But, and they were second in the league. 1094 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,680 I mean, that says a lot. So I mean, I think if he gets 1095 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,640 back to his form and really playing how he naturally plays, 1096 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,960 I throw back to two years. TJD was kind of the second 1097 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,360 option offensively and they were running and they were gunning, 1098 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,360 they were athletic and they were in the open floor and they're 1099 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,520 throwing out of the oops. I think that's the team this has 1100 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,000 got to be, and I think they can be that because of they have a 1101 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,760 real solid point guard, Xavier Johnson. 1102 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,440 You mentioned something I just wanted to touch on one last 1103 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,120 thing. It's it's interesting you you, 1104 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,040 you mentioned that like that senior and you know a lot of 1105 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,560 guys, most guys who play don't end up playing in the NBA like 1106 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,560 it's, you know, Janel Hedgefino. But you know, at most everyone 1107 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,280 who's playing in the Big 10, you're going to have the ability 1108 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,760 to play somewhere else, whether it's like you said, G League, 1109 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,120 Europe, things like that. That's really. 1110 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,960 Do you see that? I mean, as a guy who played, who 1111 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,160 went through an exact same situation your senior year, do 1112 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,360 you, Can you see that in guys like, oh, man, Like, he's 1113 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,560 starting to dip because he's trying to figure out his future. 1114 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,400 Like, is it as someone who's been there? 1115 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,760 Is it pretty obvious to see? I can see it. 1116 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,520 I mean, yeah, I can see it. I I remember because I remember. 1117 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,440 I can remember when Coach brought me in to talk about it 1118 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,960 to me. I remember Coach kind of showed 1119 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,560 me kind of some pay. I mean, he brought me in kind 1120 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,080 of. He said I could see. 1121 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,120 He even told me kind of former guys have went through it and I 1122 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,840 saw that I felt something in myself where something felt you 1123 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,800 know what I mean And now I'm able to look at guys and kind of 1124 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,240 see and I'm able to reach out to guys and kind of talk to them 1125 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:35,720 about it. So it's one of the things where 1126 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,400 just had the conversation with the Purdue player about the same 1127 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,480 thing just recently. So I mean it's one of the things 1128 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,360 where you see it in guys, you see guys role change, you can 1129 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,600 see guys, you can see that you can see when guys go through 1130 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,320 role changes. It's one of the things where as 1131 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,200 a player you you notice certain things especially when you've 1132 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:54,360 like a Trey Galloway. I can sympathize with Trey 1133 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,080 Galloway or like Ethan more and I can sympathize with those guys 1134 00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,080 that came into college as one thing but then turn into a play 1135 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,920 hard guy. You know what I mean Now they're 1136 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,400 expected to score the ball and how the you know what I mean, 1137 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,560 how the fans are going to be on Trey Galloway if he's not 1138 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,520 putting the 15 points a game in every game in a non conference 1139 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,400 like so. It's things where certain things 1140 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,840 fans or maybe have people outside may think, may not even 1141 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,640 give time to think about. But mentally it's a lot for 1142 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:24,160 these college guys, like I mean 18 to 2224 years old, it's a lot 1143 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,800 mentally. And if like I remember I, I was 1144 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,760 going through a psychiatrist about my sophomore year at 1145 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,200 Purdue when my my child, my my oldest daughter's mom, she was 1146 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,680 pregnant. So the thing it's a lot of 1147 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,600 that's a lot of these guys go through on a day-to-day. 1148 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,720 So when you've been through it, you can kind of get a feel and 1149 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,680 kind of see it in their eyes a little bit on the floor. 1150 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,960 So yeah, I noticed some things. Yeah, I know. 1151 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,840 And you saw like, I mean that was like Tamar Bates who played 1152 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,320 for IU for two years. Like you realize after his first 1153 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,360 year, like he had a he had a child and it's like, man, 1154 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,480 that's, I mean I'm, I'm, I'm 45. I got two kids. 1155 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,200 Like it's a lot as a as a mid. Midlife, like I can't imagine 1156 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,360 playing high level basketball and having a a child as a 1157 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,440 freshman in college. It's like it's like, yeah, of 1158 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,680 course you're going to struggle on the court. 1159 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,800 Like that's that's the part where, I mean yeah, it just it 1160 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,200 comes with age and you get a little perspective and it's 1161 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,280 like. Yeah, man. 1162 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,920 Like, let's not rip this like this kid. 1163 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,200 He's a kid like he's still 18. He's. 1164 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,160 Dealing with a lot. And it's like, yeah, I want to 1165 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:18,040 win. I'm a fan. 1166 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,600 But it's like when you start hearing stuff like that, you're 1167 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,000 like, damn, man, like, you know, there's empathy that comes in. 1168 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,600 I mean, like a guy like Tamara Bates and I know he left the 1169 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,680 program, but I mean, I mean a guy, he's like I said, he's far 1170 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,600 from home. He was highly touted coming in 1171 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,720 the schools where he had, he had expectations in his hometown. 1172 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:35,280 He had expectations in Bloomington. 1173 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,280 He has a child. So this was my experience when 1174 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,720 you have a child young and when you're in that position, you 1175 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:44,720 start to feel some, some sort of let down in that space too. 1176 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,480 You know what I mean? You start to feel like that I 1177 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,720 messed up a little bit. You love your child, but you 1178 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,200 know what I mean? And then also he has to deal 1179 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,960 with that. He has to deal with a new coach 1180 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,280 and Coach Woodson, he has to deal with now. 1181 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,360 I'm coming now for the first time, maybe his life. 1182 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,480 He's coming off the bench. Now he's asked to do different 1183 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,360 things. It's A and I know this is what 1184 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,880 we signed up for, this is what we want. 1185 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,600 And now they're getting paid for it and now it comes with it and 1186 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,200 what not. But it's a lot and everybody, 1187 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,000 everybody's going to have a bad day at work and at the end of 1188 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,080 the day, this is work for these guys and they're learning how to 1189 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,960 deal with school. They're learning how to deal 1190 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,080 with social socially and some of them it takes longer. 1191 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,280 Not everybody's a well oiled machine when they come into 1192 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,560 college, but. And sorry man I keep you keep 1193 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:29,400 hitting things in my mind like that's the thing I've I I've 1194 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,000 brought this up before you know I'm I have I go to Pacers games 1195 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,600 also and I like watching the Pacers and it's like you know I 1196 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,640 get frustrated with players there too. 1197 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,640 And again I'm not I'm not a yeller at like fan you know at 1198 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,480 players and all that. And I, you know, there comes a 1199 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,040 point where it's like you're going over the line, but it's 1200 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,280 like I do get. It's like, hey man, like in the 1201 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,720 end it's like that's professional bass. 1202 00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:50,360 Like those are professionals. They are getting compensated at 1203 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,000 a good level. And I'm not saying that you can 1204 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,680 just say whatever you want, but it's like, yeah, man, if you 1205 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,320 want to Boo an NBA player, it's like that That does come with a 1206 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,120 gig and they're paid commensurately for that. 1207 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,400 This is the old. I've always thought players 1208 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,720 should be paid in college. The only thing that makes me 1209 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:10,120 nervous about this is, you know, for some of those idiot fans out 1210 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,040 there, you know, who really want to go over the line, it's like 1211 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,560 just to think like, OK, now that the players are getting nil 1212 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,640 money or they're getting paid so I can just say whatever I want. 1213 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,360 It's like in the end they're still not getting paid NBA 1214 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,600 money. It's like and they still are 18 1215 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,960 to 21 year olds. I'm not saying you can't Boo or 1216 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,800 have a little fun heckling, but it's like that. 1217 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,680 That part worries me because I think with the pro sports, it's 1218 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,360 like, all right, man, like. Say whatever you want because 1219 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,280 they're pro athletes and it's like that's, you know, they're 1220 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,200 making a ton of money. I mean, for the most part. 1221 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,240 But like not everyone in college is and they're dealing with a 1222 00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:41,760 lot of stuff. And I just, I do worry about 1223 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,600 college sports in that realm. If fans are just like, all right 1224 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,920 man, well, like I can say whatever should I want to NFL 1225 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,840 players and I can say whatever I want to college players. 1226 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,840 Like it's not, it's not to me. It's like not quite the same. 1227 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,800 And I worry we're going down that road. 1228 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,520 No, it's not the same at all. And I can remember, I mean for 1229 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,280 me and I wasn't in the NIL space, but I didn't have a 1230 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,200 Twitter for like 4 years because of Twitter. 1231 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,240 You know what I mean? Because because of what your 1232 00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:05,480 mentions after a game or? You can. 1233 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,000 That's probably a good rule just overall anyway. 1234 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,360 Oh yeah, And even now even as a recruit, I don't think fans 1235 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,280 realize if I'm and I've talked to recruits about this and now 1236 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,240 recruits have said it to me, I mean high level recruits, I mean 1237 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:19,600 top players in the country, We're not going there. 1238 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,840 Their fans are too crazy, you know what I mean? 1239 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,960 Like I'm like, you know, they, I mean players have that 1240 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,880 conversation. No one's trying to be loved one 1241 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,640 day and hated the next. I mean that's one thing I will 1242 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,240 say. I one thing paint always said 1243 00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:35,760 about Purdue is that the fans sometimes and now it's changing. 1244 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,600 I even say for Purdue, Purdue is changing. 1245 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,600 I mean you got fans jumping out the window after exhibition 1246 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,760 game. So, I mean when I played it was 1247 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,840 a little at least sensible, you know what I mean? 1248 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,240 At least you understood who a guy was, you know, You know what 1249 00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:48,520 I mean? They didn't overdo it, but I 1250 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,520 think nowadays it is getting crazy. 1251 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,520 I think the money does play a part, but the mental, the mental 1252 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,840 space of basketball for the young guys is changing. 1253 00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,560 I mean, it's getting harder and harder for them. 1254 00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:01,520 I mean he, I mean, you can see it in some of them. 1255 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,440 If you're a role guy and you're expected to do certain things. 1256 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,240 If you're not, that fan bases on you. 1257 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:10,960 And I mean you got, you got 18 to 22 year olds feeling how they 1258 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,720 should. And it'll be like if I came to 1259 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,800 somebody's child's job as an intern and they're getting paid 1260 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,480 in the summertime, good money with Eli Lilly and operate. 1261 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,680 I mean, no one wants the child to feel like this. 1262 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,720 All these kids, they have parents, they have guardians, 1263 00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:26,280 someone looking after them. I mean, no one wants to. 1264 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,640 No one wants their kids to feel like that. 1265 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,240 No, CJ Gunn's. I know. 1266 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,000 CJ Gunn's father. Good, good man, good family. 1267 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,440 No, CJ Gunn's father doesn't want to get on Twitter and see 1268 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,760 someone talk about his child. Like, you know what I mean? 1269 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,960 Like, no one, no one wants that feeling. 1270 00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,080 And I think as fans, we got to. You got to, you got to have a 1271 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,920 sense of responsibility, a sense of respect and a sense of a 1272 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,640 sense of attitude of being treated how you want to be 1273 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,480 treated because we all have bad days. 1274 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,800 No one's trying to miss a free throw. 1275 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,720 Like that's the worst thing. I hate when people say like make 1276 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:56,960 your free throws. Like no one's going to that line 1277 00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,200 and 15 feet away and trying to make miss a free throw, no 1278 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,480 matter if they've done it all their life. 1279 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,840 Like make free throws all their life like you miss some. 1280 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,680 I just saw Steph Curry miss a free throw the other day. 1281 00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,840 Like it happens. And I think we got to be 1282 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,680 realistic and keep, keep, keep realisticness in basketball but. 1283 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,240 The free throw thing is so true because I also love when it's 1284 00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:16,800 like, man, they just got to practice more free throws. 1285 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,560 Like, do you really think Woodson doesn't know that? 1286 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,880 Like do you think? Any like, yes, coaches can make, 1287 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,080 things can happen, but it's like, I don't think it's like 1288 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,800 they're not hitting free throws because they're not practicing 1289 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:25,840 it. Like, I don't think that's. 1290 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,040 Actually happening, like we're doing 50 free throws before we 1291 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,040 leave the gym, 100 free throws before we leave the gym. 1292 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,440 You got to make ten in a row before you can go home. 1293 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,120 Like coaches are. Coaches are making, you know 1294 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,680 what I mean? Like I I just wish people could 1295 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,520 be realistic and be sensible. I mean, that's a lot to ask in 1296 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,000 this day and age, but I understand what's going on and 1297 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,040 just kind of enjoy the process to summer. 1298 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,680 Let guys grow. Everyone's not going to be a 1299 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,320 finished product. Everyone's not going to be who 1300 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,480 you want them to be. But that doesn't mean they 1301 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,320 aren't. They are the they're not scum of 1302 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,760 the world. Because sometimes a fan base can 1303 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,640 do too much and they can bleed into a player and then that 1304 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,720 player can transfer. I mean, fan players don't just 1305 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,720 player transfer for a lot of different reasons. 1306 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,840 And you will see some guys transfer because of their 1307 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,680 Twitter mentions, because Twitter is expecting them to be 1308 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,480 something that their coach is not allowing them to be, You 1309 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,960 know what I mean? And sometimes, sometimes stuff 1310 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,240 like that play a part. Do Raphael. 1311 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,000 I can do this all day. This is this is awesome. 1312 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,960 We got to have you on near the end of the season when we have a 1313 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,880 better feel for where things look and we'd love to have you 1314 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,520 on like maybe right before the Big 10 tournament or the NCLA 1315 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,840 tournament again. But this has been this has been 1316 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,760 awesome. Love having you and by the way 1317 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,440 like catch Raphael Davis on the Big 10 Network as an analyst 1318 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,480 again as an IU guy. I I got a joke. 1319 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,240 It pains me to say, but you guys are killing it like Robbie 1320 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,720 Hummel is. Literally my favorite analyst on 1321 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,120 TV right now, you're one of the best studio guys. 1322 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,680 Like Purdue is just bringing the heat. 1323 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,440 You guys are are bringing out so many good sports analysts, so 1324 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,880 well done on that. I appreciate. 1325 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,000 I I appreciate that. And I would say when I listen to 1326 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,240 all the guys from Purdue, even the ones that aren't coaching 1327 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,160 now, everyone kind of, I don't think that it's easy to. 1328 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,480 I think everyone kind of sounds similar in just different tones. 1329 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,800 But I I appreciate that. I know Robbie's helped me. 1330 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,200 Robbie's helped me a bunch and even like a guy like Bobby 1331 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,080 Rydell who does the the radio for Purdue basketball games, he 1332 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,600 was a walk on at Purdue play. Some guys, guys look out for 1333 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,840 each other and guys, well, Cleveland coach Webber like he 1334 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,560 guys look out for each other. I think with Indiana, I think 1335 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,280 it's a lot of guys go play ball and I think with Purdue we just 1336 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,440 got to go to work a little bit earlier, but it's been fun well. 1337 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,600 No, no you're you're great on there because you you bring your 1338 00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,680 personality and and I think that's you know too often I 1339 00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,600 think sometimes guys get in the studio and it's like they you 1340 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,280 see him trying to beat like like exactly. 1341 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,240 He said man trying to beat something. 1342 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,440 They're not like that on the court and like you're just you. 1343 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,640 You are true to yourself and it it shines through and it's it's. 1344 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,680 It's it's refreshing and it's like, yeah, man, I wish more 1345 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,080 people and I get it, you know, because I, you know, it's you 1346 00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,960 get there and it's like you're being told one thing and like 1347 00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:02,200 you try and like rough, you know, to sand down the edges and 1348 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,520 you end up being nothing. So I I appreciate you kind of 1349 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,720 being yourself in the studio and bringing that because it's it's 1350 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,800 fun to watch. Oh no, I appreciate it. 1351 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,520 I appreciate it. Because like you just said, like 1352 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,600 like we just talked about. I mean, I tried to kind of be 1353 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,880 like the, like you just say like the studio guy. 1354 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,520 Then I got off and everybody told me I sucked. 1355 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:21,320 So if I was going to suck, I was going to suck being myself. 1356 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,440 So I'm glad I don't suck. Yeah, go down well, Raphael, 1357 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,880 appreciate it. And I want to thank everyone for 1358 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,840 listening. And until next time, this is 1359 01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,040 Scott for Crimson Cast signing off.