1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,000 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:24,600 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,240 Galen Clavier joining you once again. 4 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:31,160 It is Tuesday, August 29th and happy college football season 5 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:32,720 everyone. It's officially started. 6 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,160 We got some really terrible games this past weekend, but 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,680 it's just it's like the the cold bowl of Gazpacho before the 8 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,440 actual courses start to arrive as we're getting a lot of 9 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,080 football over the course of the next several days, including the 10 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,040 start of the I U football season as it's finally here, they'll be 11 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,480 taken on Ohio State. We're going to talk about that 12 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,640 in a second. 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We'll look forward to seeing 35 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:11,240 that again. Homefieldapparel.com Proud 36 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,360 sponsors of the back home network. 37 00:02:13,980 --> 00:02:19,820 We are joined on the show today by a long time I U football fan 38 00:02:19,820 --> 00:02:24,060 Observer analyst. He's also one of the guys that 39 00:02:24,060 --> 00:02:27,940 launched the Hoosier network, which is has has gained levels 40 00:02:27,940 --> 00:02:31,500 of popularity that are hard for me to fathom at this point. 41 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:35,300 But a very gratifying Teddy Bailey joining us on the show. 42 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:37,340 He's been on the show before. We're happy to have him back. 43 00:02:37,340 --> 00:02:42,070 Teddy in his Are you Oval, Dad Hat here on the show. 44 00:02:42,070 --> 00:02:43,590 It's great to see you, man. How's it going? 45 00:02:44,750 --> 00:02:47,150 I'm doing well, Galen, and plugging the brand and doing 46 00:02:47,150 --> 00:02:49,910 whatever I have to do, but good to be back on. 47 00:02:50,310 --> 00:02:55,950 It's been probably a year or two or so, some ugly years of 48 00:02:55,950 --> 00:02:59,790 Indiana football, but but good to be back as yeah, there's no 49 00:02:59,790 --> 00:03:01,430 UMass New Mexico State this week. 50 00:03:01,430 --> 00:03:04,160 We're doing the real thing yeah we're we're going to avoid 51 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,080 having to watch like Jacksonville State you know play 52 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,800 whoever they were playing. I don't remember who it was. 53 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:11,000 I'm not I lost money on that game whatever. 54 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,280 You know whoever they were playing but but no Teddy. 55 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,120 It's great to have you on as always and and you are a rarity 56 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,920 I'm I just I just had a birthday you know I'm in my mid 40s it's 57 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:29,290 always both heartening and and then then concern comes out of 58 00:03:29,290 --> 00:03:32,610 me whenever a a young person like yourself is a die hard I U 59 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:35,890 football fan really follows the team because I look at you and I 60 00:03:35,890 --> 00:03:40,450 see myself 20 some years ago and I'm like man I I hope it turns 61 00:03:40,450 --> 00:03:44,250 out differently for you but as you just alluded to these last 62 00:03:44,250 --> 00:03:47,250 couple of seasons not exactly great from a trajectory 63 00:03:47,250 --> 00:03:50,610 perspective. So I just wanted to say first 64 00:03:50,610 --> 00:03:54,590 and foremost thank you and thanks to all the folks who are 65 00:03:54,590 --> 00:03:58,070 at your age relatively young out of college or in college that 66 00:03:58,070 --> 00:04:00,030 actually spend time watching this football program. 67 00:04:00,030 --> 00:04:04,670 It really is important. Yeah, I I got a roll end of this 68 00:04:04,670 --> 00:04:07,350 deal. You know my freshman year at IU 69 00:04:07,350 --> 00:04:12,790 was the 2015 Pinstripe Bull team and then you know I became 70 00:04:12,790 --> 00:04:16,630 closer with the program covering it and you know, so I was, I was 71 00:04:16,630 --> 00:04:19,829 indoctrinated with with all appearances and so. 72 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,480 I know that's always been, you know, the standard or the the 73 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,200 goal for this program is to to become a program that expects to 74 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,440 make a bowl every year. And that's kind of how my 75 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,600 college career went and it was weird when when when that 76 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,800 stopped. So so yeah, now we're back. 77 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,440 We're now we're back down a few pegs. 78 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,120 It's a little different. But you know, I I do live and 79 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,320 die by this program. I just really wanted to be 80 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,080 successful. It's a totally different fan 81 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,840 experience than the Basketball 1. 82 00:04:49,540 --> 00:04:53,220 And I kind of I kind of like it in a in a way it it's refreshing 83 00:04:53,220 --> 00:04:57,100 when when the expectations are are a little less. 84 00:04:57,820 --> 00:05:01,340 Yes, it's one of it's a it's a balance because on the one hand 85 00:05:01,380 --> 00:05:03,340 you know the weight of expectations as we've seen with 86 00:05:03,340 --> 00:05:05,180 men's basketball can really be crushing. 87 00:05:05,900 --> 00:05:10,260 The flip side is with football, you'd like some reward, you 88 00:05:10,260 --> 00:05:13,500 know, more more regularly than the the rare ones that have been 89 00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:16,140 sprinkled on the fan base over the last 25 years. 90 00:05:16,540 --> 00:05:20,000 And that is the real kind of struggle with this football 91 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,440 program and and how you approach fandom. 92 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,160 And you know, I it actually dovetails pretty nicely with 93 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,760 something that I've been thinking about here a lot lately 94 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,440 and I wanted to get your take on it before we dive into talking 95 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,200 about the team, because I really am relying on you to maybe 96 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,760 charge me up a little bit for this football season. 97 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,480 I've been a bit ambivalent about the start of the year, as I'm 98 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,400 sure you've noticed. But part of the problem with the 99 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,660 ambivalence is I kind of feel like there's not a lot to get 100 00:05:49,660 --> 00:05:52,940 excited about and and that's the program is partially to blame 101 00:05:52,940 --> 00:05:54,620 for that. Like I feel like with a lot of 102 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:58,140 what we've seen over this preseason or the the, you know 103 00:05:58,140 --> 00:06:01,260 summer camp or whatever you're going to call it, like there's 104 00:06:01,260 --> 00:06:04,660 just there's very little to latch onto right now if you're 105 00:06:04,660 --> 00:06:08,780 an IU fan other than well Jalen Lucas is here and there's some 106 00:06:08,780 --> 00:06:11,620 new faces like a guy from Western Michigan might be the 107 00:06:11,620 --> 00:06:15,430 best player on defense and hey there's a new offensive line 108 00:06:15,430 --> 00:06:17,550 coach. I mean there's just it's not a 109 00:06:17,550 --> 00:06:22,790 lot of of positive energy or things to focus on if you're a 110 00:06:22,790 --> 00:06:24,110 fan of I U. Football. 111 00:06:24,350 --> 00:06:27,390 And as you and I know you know a lot of people that follow I U 112 00:06:27,390 --> 00:06:30,310 football are are pretty casual about it until it looks like the 113 00:06:30,310 --> 00:06:33,110 team is good. If you're if you're someone 114 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:35,150 who's maybe I U. Football. 115 00:06:35,150 --> 00:06:38,350 Curious, but not fully in a relationship with it. 116 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:42,620 I don't know why you would do anything towards being like an 117 00:06:42,620 --> 00:06:44,820 observer or a fan of the team this year, because there's just 118 00:06:44,820 --> 00:06:48,940 not a lot to get latched onto. Yeah, I don't really, I don't 119 00:06:48,940 --> 00:06:52,180 really blame that that segment of of the fan base. 120 00:06:53,660 --> 00:06:56,140 I'm the perfect guest for this episode if that's what we're 121 00:06:56,140 --> 00:06:58,940 going for because I can get excited about anything when it 122 00:06:58,940 --> 00:07:03,220 comes to this program and and and I can channel some optimism 123 00:07:03,220 --> 00:07:05,260 even even when it's not necessarily there. 124 00:07:06,260 --> 00:07:10,430 Yeah, I. You know I was I was reflecting 125 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:13,630 on this because you know I think the the message boards and and 126 00:07:13,670 --> 00:07:17,270 and what and ended the Twitter discourse have been harpy on 127 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:20,950 this for a while and you know Tom Allen's secrecy has been you 128 00:07:20,950 --> 00:07:23,950 know a Twitter joke for the last 48 hours or so. 129 00:07:24,550 --> 00:07:27,630 But we really haven't you know we haven't gotten a lot of 130 00:07:27,630 --> 00:07:30,750 information about this team over the course of the offseason. 131 00:07:31,550 --> 00:07:35,190 I saw a clip from Alabama and they they released two or three 132 00:07:35,190 --> 00:07:37,150 minutes of their quarterbacks throwing and. 133 00:07:37,810 --> 00:07:41,770 I don't think, I don't think they have announced the starter 134 00:07:41,770 --> 00:07:44,210 and it wasn't, you know, a full 11 on 11. 135 00:07:44,210 --> 00:07:47,370 They were literally just throwing and it was behind the 136 00:07:47,370 --> 00:07:50,690 behind the arm shot and you could see how the quarterbacks 137 00:07:50,770 --> 00:07:52,770 threw balls. And I was like, wouldn't that be 138 00:07:52,770 --> 00:07:55,770 nice, you know? And whenever I talk to people, 139 00:07:55,770 --> 00:07:58,170 you know, I'm like, hey guys, like we might have one of the 140 00:07:58,170 --> 00:08:01,810 better receiving groups in the Big 10 and I truly do believe 141 00:08:01,810 --> 00:08:03,010 that. But you know. 142 00:08:03,430 --> 00:08:05,950 Can we complete a task? I I really have no idea. 143 00:08:06,470 --> 00:08:09,510 And the the fact that the, you know, the program's putting out 144 00:08:09,510 --> 00:08:12,470 videos and it's it's a ton of receptions, but you know you 145 00:08:12,470 --> 00:08:14,350 can't even make out who's throwing in the football. 146 00:08:14,350 --> 00:08:16,910 And I know that's the elephant in the room is the quarterback 147 00:08:16,910 --> 00:08:19,910 situation. But I think you know, when 148 00:08:19,910 --> 00:08:22,590 you're talking about preseason expectations and fan excitement, 149 00:08:23,910 --> 00:08:26,470 it really, it really would be nice if the fan base had at 150 00:08:26,470 --> 00:08:29,470 least seen something. Tangible in the offseason. 151 00:08:29,470 --> 00:08:30,950 I don't really know how you do that. 152 00:08:31,310 --> 00:08:33,429 You know, because Indiana doesn't really do spring games 153 00:08:33,429 --> 00:08:36,789 anymore. I don't know if that's releasing 154 00:08:36,789 --> 00:08:39,950 Twitter clips or whatever it is, but I think that's part of the 155 00:08:39,950 --> 00:08:43,830 problem is that it's a completely new team and there's 156 00:08:43,830 --> 00:08:46,910 no depth chart, which is fine, but like, it's going to take the 157 00:08:46,910 --> 00:08:49,950 fan base a couple games to even learn these numbers on the 158 00:08:49,950 --> 00:08:52,270 field. And thank goodness we have names 159 00:08:52,270 --> 00:08:56,030 on the back of the jerseys this year, because that's not that's 160 00:08:56,030 --> 00:08:59,120 not always a given, either. So I I think that's the 161 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,600 challenge it's a ton of new faces and I don't think they've 162 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,120 really been introduced properly and and that's on purpose and 163 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,920 what better way to introduce them than against Ohio State 164 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,440 which in my opinion is the most disheartening thing is that you 165 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,200 know this team is going to get judged based on how they look 166 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:17,920 immediately. That's how the Indiana fan base 167 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,120 always works and and they tune them out as soon as as soon as 168 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,880 they're they believe. They need to, right? 169 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,760 And it's unfortunate that that's gonna come against Ohio State 170 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:33,280 but that I'm hoping that I'm hoping that the efforts there 171 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,600 and that fans can leave the stadium thinking okay we're 172 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,840 gonna be in some games this year and if we can take that away 173 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,600 from this Saturday, that'd be great. 174 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:45,850 You know and I've I've thought about that because you're right. 175 00:09:45,850 --> 00:09:48,690 I mean the fan base does tend or the people that would be 176 00:09:48,690 --> 00:09:50,850 inclined to follow. Maybe not even the fan base. 177 00:09:50,930 --> 00:09:53,930 The people that really follow I U Football are there every week. 178 00:09:53,930 --> 00:09:55,770 It's just there aren't that many of those people. 179 00:09:56,250 --> 00:10:00,770 But this is where I'm I I I'm concerned and and kind of 180 00:10:00,770 --> 00:10:04,570 disappointed in how this offseason's gone because on the 181 00:10:04,570 --> 00:10:10,010 one hand I U needs support. They they need an IL support. 182 00:10:10,290 --> 00:10:14,070 They need regular fan support and yet they it feels like very 183 00:10:14,070 --> 00:10:16,910 little has been done to try to build that and and you know look 184 00:10:16,910 --> 00:10:18,230 you're going to lose to Ohio State. 185 00:10:18,310 --> 00:10:20,870 I mean it it it, I don't think that we should just assume that 186 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:23,110 it was actually interesting listening to to Scott and Ken 187 00:10:23,110 --> 00:10:25,030 Bikoff talking on their preview pod. 188 00:10:25,030 --> 00:10:27,310 And Ken brings up a great point and I brought it up on the pod 189 00:10:27,310 --> 00:10:31,110 in past years. It's like it's it's weird that 190 00:10:31,230 --> 00:10:33,710 the only place in the Big 10 where they just assume we're 191 00:10:33,710 --> 00:10:35,830 going to we're going to lose to Ohio State lose to Michigan lose 192 00:10:35,830 --> 00:10:39,140 to Penn State and it happens every year is Indiana and all 193 00:10:39,140 --> 00:10:41,580 these other schools you know have have been competitive or 194 00:10:41,580 --> 00:10:44,540 have knocked off one of those teams And and you know outside 195 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:46,820 of the COVID year which is kind of an oddity. 196 00:10:47,220 --> 00:10:52,100 I U hasn't beaten any of those teams you know basically in in 197 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:56,540 your living memory and I I guess Penn State technically but that 198 00:10:56,540 --> 00:10:57,980 one I don't know if that really counts. 199 00:10:57,980 --> 00:10:59,620 That was yeah. The middle of their sanction 200 00:10:59,620 --> 00:11:03,680 era. It's like it shouldn't be like 201 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:06,240 Rutgers is bad. Maryland has been not good at 202 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,320 times. You know Illinois boom bust, 203 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,320 produce boom bust. But they've all figured out 204 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,280 ways. I think with Rutgers is accepted 205 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,360 to beat one of those teams. It's like it shouldn't be just 206 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,200 as well Indiana couldn't possibly compete thing and it 207 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,600 felt like you know under under Kevin Wilson and even in the 208 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,400 early years of the Tom Allen era there was they were competitive 209 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,770 in those games for for four quarters in a lot of cases and 210 00:11:30,770 --> 00:11:33,730 then not every single time they're not here. 211 00:11:34,290 --> 00:11:38,130 So if we're if we're A, assuming that I is going to lose and B, 212 00:11:38,130 --> 00:11:40,570 we're not going to get people juiced up about the way the team 213 00:11:40,570 --> 00:11:43,290 is composed because we have no clue because we don't know who 214 00:11:43,570 --> 00:11:46,250 the leaders are on offense or on defense or how they're going to 215 00:11:46,250 --> 00:11:48,610 line up or anything. I mean, that's a really tough 216 00:11:48,610 --> 00:11:51,730 sell for a fan base that if you're not going to hang your 217 00:11:51,730 --> 00:11:55,200 hat on wins and losses, you got to hang your hat on something. 218 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,680 And I don't know what you're expecting people to get excited 219 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:01,680 about at this point. Yeah, I think that's a great 220 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:05,280 point. Something I think a lot about 221 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,440 when I took a step back is that this program kind of lacks that 222 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,200 that that big moment. You know, I'm thinking the David 223 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,720 Bell, Purdue upset of Ohio State and you know, Rossi, it has that 224 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,480 blackout and there's a huge moment. 225 00:12:19,210 --> 00:12:21,610 I I don't really think it was that successful the produced 226 00:12:21,610 --> 00:12:23,170 season. You know they they went to a 227 00:12:23,170 --> 00:12:26,850 ball game, I believe. Was that either they got waxed 228 00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:28,410 by Auburn or something like that? 229 00:12:28,410 --> 00:12:31,090 Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it wasn't, you know, some 230 00:12:31,090 --> 00:12:34,810 historic year that the the fan base up there is going to, you 231 00:12:34,810 --> 00:12:37,210 know, remember 50 years or not. But they're sure going to 232 00:12:37,210 --> 00:12:39,010 remember the time they beat Ohio State at home. 233 00:12:39,010 --> 00:12:42,690 And you know, again, in my living memory it's kind of the 234 00:12:42,810 --> 00:12:46,530 the COVID year and you know that was a fantastic season and we're 235 00:12:46,530 --> 00:12:48,330 always going to remember that I'm sure, but. 236 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:50,200 You know, no one could even be there. 237 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,720 You know, it's like all the the, the the one that couldn't even, 238 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,480 you know, be in Bloomington to celebrate it or storm the field. 239 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,640 So, So whacking those big moments is huge. 240 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:02,040 Yeah. And then I think it's a 241 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,040 communications problem. You know, somebody works in 242 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,360 communications. I I actually have no idea what 243 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,360 they could do to improve this. But because it's, it's so many 244 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,400 years of just bad football. But I I think at the end it did 245 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,520 a great job in the Portal this offseason. 246 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,800 But, but how You can't measure that until we actually play the 247 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,400 games. You know, it's like Okay, you 248 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,040 know, they stole all players. They got a good handful, a good 249 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,280 amount of players that they had, they would have, they would have 250 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,080 had no business getting coming out of high school. 251 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,400 So I guess that's great. And you can look at the portal 252 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,520 being you know helpful for a program like Indiana that kind 253 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,440 of needs that double dip into you know. 254 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,840 Talent roster building whatever. But no one knows you know 255 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,160 anything about these kids and it's going to you know probably 256 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:55,440 be a rude awakening you know yeah I'm totally with you on on 257 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,200 Indiana being kind of that loan program where where we assume we 258 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,400 have no chance but man there's been so many close years with 259 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,960 with you know even 2017 you know Richard Lego had a cooking for 260 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,280 1/2 and and then the but but but a performance like that this 261 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,430 this Saturday would be. Beautiful. 262 00:14:12,430 --> 00:14:14,150 Yeah. Hanging in there half and then 263 00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:17,230 the doors kind of come come out at the end. 264 00:14:17,270 --> 00:14:19,510 You know I I think I think people would take that. 265 00:14:19,830 --> 00:14:22,630 I mean there have been instances like you said I mean you know 266 00:14:22,630 --> 00:14:27,910 that game and in 2017 under the lights the the 2015 game against 267 00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:30,950 Michigan you know I mean there and there have been others and 268 00:14:30,950 --> 00:14:32,990 then look obviously they they want some of the games in the 269 00:14:32,990 --> 00:14:35,470 COVID year and and those are moments but they weren't moments 270 00:14:35,470 --> 00:14:38,190 people got a chance to go visit in person and be there for. 271 00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:40,870 You know you mentioned the transfer portal and it's been 272 00:14:40,870 --> 00:14:44,630 interesting because that has been something that I've noticed 273 00:14:44,630 --> 00:14:47,750 the media covering I U of coalescer I was like well you 274 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:50,070 know Alan and company did a surprisingly good job in the 275 00:14:50,070 --> 00:14:55,350 portal and yet I can't help but be a little bit skeptical. 276 00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:59,710 I mean you know last year they pulled some good like attractive 277 00:14:59,710 --> 00:15:02,670 looking players out of the portal and they had a couple 278 00:15:02,670 --> 00:15:04,630 successes. Camp Camper was was clearly a 279 00:15:04,630 --> 00:15:06,430 success. You know Josh Henderson I think 280 00:15:06,430 --> 00:15:08,930 is going to turn into a pretty good back. 281 00:15:09,250 --> 00:15:12,570 But you also had guys who really didn't perform that terribly 282 00:15:12,570 --> 00:15:15,130 well. And I think the concern I have 283 00:15:15,130 --> 00:15:19,970 is like so much particularly on defense is going to lean on 284 00:15:19,970 --> 00:15:23,250 those types of players, you know who who aren't. 285 00:15:23,530 --> 00:15:25,970 We know where they weren't here, they haven't been weaned in the 286 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:29,770 system and they they washed out at bigger programs in some cases 287 00:15:30,210 --> 00:15:32,450 or they have been very productive. 288 00:15:32,450 --> 00:15:34,930 But it's smaller programs. It is this weird kind of 289 00:15:34,930 --> 00:15:39,820 mishmash and certainly you know that you're you got to take what 290 00:15:39,820 --> 00:15:43,300 you get and and it's not like are you Losing a bunch of 291 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:45,980 players, especially on defense from the last couple of vintages 292 00:15:45,980 --> 00:15:48,580 of this team is a bad thing given how poorly they played. 293 00:15:48,860 --> 00:15:52,810 But it's and I I feel this way about another position, which 294 00:15:52,810 --> 00:15:55,130 we'll talk about in a second, But it's like we're asked to 295 00:15:55,130 --> 00:15:59,290 take a lot on faith that this was actually the right moves 296 00:15:59,290 --> 00:16:02,250 without A having a chance to see any of it in action. 297 00:16:02,250 --> 00:16:05,690 B, really having been told what people are going to do or how 298 00:16:05,690 --> 00:16:09,410 they're going to set up and see. Like the the fact that these 299 00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:12,450 guys were available and decided to come here is an indication of 300 00:16:12,450 --> 00:16:16,010 like what they've been able to accomplish so far in college, 301 00:16:16,010 --> 00:16:19,850 which is either not much or much against lower competition. 302 00:16:20,210 --> 00:16:23,170 That is a bit of a concern for me and it's a different type of 303 00:16:23,170 --> 00:16:25,370 concern than what we've had in the past, I think with some Tom 304 00:16:25,370 --> 00:16:28,650 Allen teams. Yeah, I think you're right. 305 00:16:29,610 --> 00:16:32,290 I I think the way to evaluate the transfer portal is kind of 306 00:16:32,290 --> 00:16:35,090 looking at these players and and you're you kind of have to read 307 00:16:35,090 --> 00:16:39,130 it in between the lines about whether they could have gone to 308 00:16:39,130 --> 00:16:42,210 a better program than Indiana. Could they have started at 309 00:16:42,210 --> 00:16:44,610 another program other than Indiana? 310 00:16:44,610 --> 00:16:48,490 Or were they just in the portal? And maybe the staff saw 311 00:16:48,490 --> 00:16:51,730 something and and they and that was kind of their best option 312 00:16:51,730 --> 00:16:56,090 right by all reports, accounts, whatever. 313 00:16:56,330 --> 00:16:59,250 Andre Carter looks like a player that could be a steal for 314 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:02,290 Indiana and I have no idea. We're we're all going to find 315 00:17:02,290 --> 00:17:04,930 out together. You know the the the Indiana 316 00:17:04,930 --> 00:17:08,250 defensive line has not been able to get legitimate consistent 317 00:17:08,250 --> 00:17:10,730 pressure on an opposing quarterback since, I don't know, 318 00:17:10,770 --> 00:17:13,490 maybe my freshman year with like Darius Latham and. 319 00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:16,230 And you know, Jacob Robinson had a great, you know, like 320 00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:19,630 freshman, sophomore year and whatnot, but, but there really 321 00:17:19,630 --> 00:17:22,510 hasn't been, They've just been there, right? 322 00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:26,430 And you know, so much pressure was placed on the secondary to 323 00:17:26,430 --> 00:17:30,030 cover forever because the quarterback, you know, had all 324 00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:34,750 day to to do whatever he wanted. And then I think the secondary, 325 00:17:35,150 --> 00:17:38,150 you know either was on the field for too long because we couldn't 326 00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:42,250 block or throw or. You know they were just worn out 327 00:17:42,250 --> 00:17:46,050 and and and I do think you know that the the era of the Mullen 328 00:17:46,490 --> 00:17:50,730 Jalen Williams Devon Matthews you know you could probably go 329 00:17:50,730 --> 00:17:53,210 further with like Raheem Lane Andre Carter and all the I think 330 00:17:53,210 --> 00:17:57,050 that era you know collectively maybe it was a coaching thing 331 00:17:57,330 --> 00:18:03,530 personnel who knows it got worse as as it looked worse for a 332 00:18:03,530 --> 00:18:06,680 variety of reasons so. Yeah, I I think you're right in 333 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,800 that there's so many parts coming together on this defense. 334 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,360 It's kind of been the entire storylines offseason. 335 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:14,440 It's like, Tom, how are you going to make this work? 336 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:17,280 Because you know there's a ton of new faces. 337 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:22,240 They're very high on some, you know, Richard freshman back 338 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,760 there. So, So we'll see. 339 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,960 But I do think a couple of these players or players that Indiana. 340 00:18:29,010 --> 00:18:32,250 Probably shouldn't have gotten, and I'm not so sure why. 341 00:18:32,370 --> 00:18:34,890 Even looking at their current recruiting pace, you know some 342 00:18:34,890 --> 00:18:38,890 of the kids they're getting, I'm like this for the results that 343 00:18:38,890 --> 00:18:41,690 this program has gotten on the field in the last two years and 344 00:18:41,690 --> 00:18:45,290 it's gotten really ugly in the last two years, mostly because 345 00:18:45,290 --> 00:18:47,810 of the quarterback in offensive line issues. 346 00:18:47,810 --> 00:18:53,490 But it's impressive on paper. It's just you know can can you 347 00:18:53,490 --> 00:18:56,660 form a unit. Yeah, I mean your your point 348 00:18:56,660 --> 00:18:59,260 about the the defensive line is is well taken. 349 00:18:59,260 --> 00:19:03,620 I mean if you look at the the last two years, 2021-2022, 350 00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:09,420 Indiana was 115th in Saks in in college football in 2021 and 351 00:19:09,420 --> 00:19:13,620 they were 104th last year and it wasn't like they were that great 352 00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:16,060 before. I mean they were 97th and 2018, 353 00:19:16,060 --> 00:19:21,200 they were 66th and 2019 and I'm going to throw out the 2020 year 354 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,480 because there were just so many different levels of games 355 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,480 played. It's not really a fair 356 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,160 comparison. But you know that is that is 357 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:32,120 clearly been a real problem for this defense in an era where you 358 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:34,080 have to get pressure on quarterbacks. 359 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:40,480 I U has tried to rely on their back 7 essentially to get a lot 360 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,960 of stuff done and it it really, I mean it kind of worked in 2019 361 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,350 and and and to a lesser extent in 20/20/2020 is just it's hard 362 00:19:50,350 --> 00:19:53,670 to put that into context because of how messed up everybody's 363 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:56,630 rosters were. But 2019, you know, I think that 364 00:19:56,630 --> 00:20:00,150 defense really demonstrated that you could win in a kind of a, 365 00:20:00,230 --> 00:20:03,590 you know, a contain based system that didn't rely entirely on 366 00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:06,750 SACS but was able to make things happen when moving the Husky 367 00:20:06,750 --> 00:20:09,150 around or or you're having really good players in the 368 00:20:09,150 --> 00:20:11,870 secondary and the bottom kind of fell out of that the last couple 369 00:20:11,870 --> 00:20:16,560 of years. The the big question I guess I'm 370 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,480 going to have though with that is when you look at the the 371 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,360 talent that Indiana's going to have to beat and I'm not really 372 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:27,760 talking about the Ohio State's, the the Michigan's, the Penn 373 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,840 States but the the teams in the broad middle. 374 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,160 It's. I'd like to think that I U has 375 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,160 found some kind of or refound a formula that's going to work for 376 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,040 them. But it's important to remember 377 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,670 like it it what it it was one of those things where the defense 378 00:20:43,670 --> 00:20:47,790 had to essentially start a brand new scheme when Tom Allen got 379 00:20:47,790 --> 00:20:50,950 here in 2016 to take the leaps that it did and it became like a 380 00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:55,030 top 25 defense for a couple of years and it's falling away from 381 00:20:55,030 --> 00:20:57,070 that. It's hard for me to believe that 382 00:20:57,630 --> 00:21:00,190 in the same system that they continue to run, that they're 383 00:21:00,190 --> 00:21:05,000 suddenly going to have this huge, you know, leap, inability 384 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,840 and an execution with a bunch of guys who've never really played 385 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,680 specifically in that system before and have not played 386 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,200 together. Maybe, maybe we'll be proven 387 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,520 wrong. But, you know, it felt like in 388 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,040 2016, Allen inherited a defense that had some athletic talent 389 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,280 but didn't have the coaching on top of it to make it work. 390 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,290 It didn't have the scheme well, like this is a different 391 00:21:28,290 --> 00:21:31,130 environment now and so I'm curious like where the leaps 392 00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:33,050 really would come from. It certainly has to start, I 393 00:21:33,050 --> 00:21:36,010 think, on the D line, but I worry about what they've done 394 00:21:36,010 --> 00:21:39,410 not being enough. Yeah, I mean these are totally 395 00:21:39,410 --> 00:21:43,290 fair concerns and I don't, I don't have a ton of wisdom to 396 00:21:43,330 --> 00:21:45,610 add. There's also an element or the 397 00:21:45,690 --> 00:21:49,690 element of of you know does is Tom calling plays or not. 398 00:21:49,690 --> 00:21:52,770 You know, he's kind of, you know, he's gone hot potato with 399 00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:54,610 with that issue the last few years. 400 00:21:55,390 --> 00:21:57,190 And you know, this defense is his baby. 401 00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:59,430 It's always going to be his baby. 402 00:21:59,750 --> 00:22:03,430 That's you know how he likes to win football games, doesn't 403 00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:05,390 always make for the most pleasant watch. 404 00:22:05,390 --> 00:22:08,630 But whatever, that's his thing and and he's always going to 405 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:11,510 have, you know, some level of involvement with with the 406 00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:14,990 defense on a daytoday basis. I do like that he's taking a 407 00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:17,820 step back and. Kind of referring to himself as 408 00:22:17,820 --> 00:22:22,500 more of the CEO, because that's just 202030 college football 409 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,460 coaching. You know, you're not the D 410 00:22:24,460 --> 00:22:26,340 coordinator anymore. You're not getting paid to be 411 00:22:26,340 --> 00:22:28,300 the D coordinator anymore. You're getting paid to, you 412 00:22:28,660 --> 00:22:31,260 know, be be the head coach of an entire program with so many 413 00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:34,500 moving parts in In today's age of college football, Yeah, I 414 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:36,860 think it's going to have to come from the defensive line and 415 00:22:36,860 --> 00:22:39,340 they're going to need more than Andre Carter to, to get to the 416 00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:41,380 court to create those negative plays. 417 00:22:41,380 --> 00:22:44,780 I mean, that's the. That that's the reason they they 418 00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:49,380 they've struggled on on defense is is they they they just give 419 00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:52,140 up positive plays. You know you can you can talk 420 00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:55,940 about takeaways all you want and yeah that that would be great 421 00:22:56,420 --> 00:22:59,420 But you know if you get pressure you're going to get takeaways 422 00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:00,940 right. Like we don't have to talk about 423 00:23:00,940 --> 00:23:02,900 this defense. Like it's like, you know, you 424 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:07,460 got to go to the the, the, the, the, the, the some crazy, you 425 00:23:07,460 --> 00:23:10,100 know, football coaching pedigree that I have. 426 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:12,420 You know, it's like. Do they have multiple players 427 00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:13,780 and get to the quarterback? I don't know. 428 00:23:13,780 --> 00:23:15,100 I think Andre Carter's one of them. 429 00:23:17,460 --> 00:23:20,660 We'll see about the others. On paper, Anthony Jones looks 430 00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:25,540 like a great get for them. I do think that fans should be 431 00:23:25,540 --> 00:23:28,420 cautious about the transfer portal. 432 00:23:29,150 --> 00:23:31,510 Whether or not why, why did they leave their school? 433 00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:32,910 Usually it's because of playing time. 434 00:23:32,910 --> 00:23:34,670 And you know, they're going to get more playing time at 435 00:23:34,670 --> 00:23:36,590 Indiana. Does that mean that they're not 436 00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:38,150 going to be good players in Indiana? 437 00:23:38,150 --> 00:23:39,870 No. But like you have, like you 438 00:23:39,870 --> 00:23:42,830 should be a little skeptical. But I think anytime Indiana can 439 00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:47,470 add players that have seen the field at Texas, like Jimmier 440 00:23:47,470 --> 00:23:50,670 Johnson or, you know, I don't really know if Anthony Jones saw 441 00:23:50,670 --> 00:23:53,190 the field that much at Oregon. But like, plucking from those 442 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:57,710 programs is probably a net plus in the long run, and Indiana 443 00:23:57,710 --> 00:24:00,280 doesn't really like. They can't. 444 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,040 They got to take that and and develop these guys and I do like 445 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,600 that they kind of went for younger pieces that that solve 446 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,080 some action for big time programs. 447 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:16,240 I just think that's a decent formula for getting getting some 448 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,480 result out of the transfer portal, but. 449 00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:21,410 You know, at the same time they they really didn't have that 450 00:24:21,410 --> 00:24:23,290 many practices to put this thing together. 451 00:24:23,290 --> 00:24:26,210 And you know I I think Ohio State's going to have some big 452 00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:29,050 plays on Saturday and you know you just kind of have to patch 453 00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:32,130 it up before before Louisville and and those teams that you 454 00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:35,530 mentioned that that really will decide if this season is is 455 00:24:35,610 --> 00:24:38,330 anything or not. Let's jump to a position group 456 00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:42,130 that didn't have a lot of transfer infusion but instead 457 00:24:42,130 --> 00:24:45,610 had a coaching infusion and that's the offensive line. 458 00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:48,330 There was an interesting set of quotes that came out of the 459 00:24:48,820 --> 00:24:52,260 press availability yesterday. You know, Walt Bell, the 460 00:24:52,260 --> 00:24:55,460 offensive coordinator. I guess this was technically two 461 00:24:55,460 --> 00:24:58,780 days ago, but whatever. No, it was yesterday. 462 00:24:58,780 --> 00:25:01,500 I was right. He he said he was really 463 00:25:01,940 --> 00:25:06,180 impressed by the improved in the quote here was technical 464 00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:11,140 proficiency of the offensive line under Bob Bostad and that 465 00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:14,740 he felt like the offensive line had developed an edge in 466 00:25:14,740 --> 00:25:17,550 practice. And there was another, you know, 467 00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:21,630 there was a comment from, you know, from from from Bell, you 468 00:25:21,630 --> 00:25:24,030 know, basically saying that the group had really advanced 469 00:25:24,030 --> 00:25:25,310 rapidly. And then of course, you know, 470 00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:27,710 you had to immediately say that's that's not an attack on 471 00:25:27,710 --> 00:25:30,310 Darren Hiller, which that's another issue that we'll get to. 472 00:25:30,550 --> 00:25:36,030 But I mean the the offensive line. 473 00:25:36,030 --> 00:25:38,670 I mean we know that this has been a big issue over the course 474 00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:41,230 of the last several years and it's been weird watching people 475 00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:45,190 try to argue that it hasn't been a big issue when it clearly has. 476 00:25:46,830 --> 00:25:51,390 I'm still, I have to be in like a wait to see it actually happen 477 00:25:51,630 --> 00:25:57,830 mode with this offensive line. I'm certainly buoyed by the the 478 00:25:57,830 --> 00:26:00,310 phraseology that's coming out of some of the coaches. 479 00:26:00,670 --> 00:26:05,390 But it just it's it's amazing to me that Indiana has struggled so 480 00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:08,950 much in this area without I I would say, I mean it's not like 481 00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:12,790 Indiana's had like a horrific talent disparity compared to the 482 00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:16,240 the middle class of the Big 10 and yet they've they've 483 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,920 consistently had lines that have underperformed significantly 484 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,760 over time. I mean, what what would you see 485 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,320 like really stable offensive line play? 486 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,320 Like what kind of impact could that have given the skill 487 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,000 position players that we know Indiana's got coming into this 488 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,880 year? Every conversation I've had with 489 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,360 an IU football curious person this offseason, I've just kind 490 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,560 of been like, we just just need a quarterback and get these guys 491 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:43,720 to ball. I mean like. 492 00:26:44,250 --> 00:26:46,490 They have a they have a they have some they have a handful of 493 00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:50,130 true difference makers on offense and and if if if they 494 00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:53,770 can have a quarterback that just limits mistakes and and gets the 495 00:26:53,770 --> 00:26:56,930 ball where it needs to go. We they don't need some crazy 496 00:26:57,170 --> 00:27:00,210 you know Nate Sudfeld type arm or anything. 497 00:27:00,410 --> 00:27:03,650 Just just just get Jalen and Lucas the ball in space on a on 498 00:27:03,650 --> 00:27:06,290 a quick you know bubble screen and and do that five times a 499 00:27:06,290 --> 00:27:09,010 game and then find EJ Williams and and Ken Camper and have them 500 00:27:09,010 --> 00:27:11,850 break some tackles and like you have offensive production. 501 00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:13,970 Yeah. I totally agree with your take 502 00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:17,810 on the offensive line. I I I feel bad for for Conor 503 00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:20,250 base like last year I I think he should have gotten paid hazard 504 00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:22,210 pay. I mean it was ridiculous that he 505 00:27:22,210 --> 00:27:24,330 was just standing back there and getting demolished. 506 00:27:25,410 --> 00:27:28,490 It it wasn't even it was really depressing to watch. 507 00:27:29,010 --> 00:27:32,850 I think there's tons of ways that are to lose a football game 508 00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:34,330 that are more entertaining than that. 509 00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:38,860 I I agree with the wait and see approach, especially because 510 00:27:38,860 --> 00:27:41,260 these are the same players. You know, they brought in a 511 00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:45,620 handful of like death ads. I thought the the Bolticoff and 512 00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:49,220 Longman, I mean on paper their death ads, but I I just thought 513 00:27:49,220 --> 00:27:51,900 they would add some new faces to the room. 514 00:27:52,580 --> 00:27:57,300 They didn't. So you know getting getting that 515 00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:59,140 Bedford back is huge. I think he's been the best 516 00:27:59,140 --> 00:28:01,100 offensive lineman in the past few years. 517 00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:02,940 So that's he's going to make a big difference. 518 00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:05,260 Like, even take coaching out of that. 519 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,240 But it does seem like they have a real offensive line coach and 520 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,760 I'm not going to sit here and pretend that like I know what, 521 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,280 Darren Hiller did it on a daily basis, but whatever he was doing 522 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,920 wasn't working. They were completely unprepared 523 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,160 and they were recruiting it like an OK level. 524 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,560 So it should have been a little bit better. 525 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,080 But you know, if they can block even a little bit. 526 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,360 My last point on this would be I think. 527 00:28:33,850 --> 00:28:38,250 Part of the reason why they went to this dual threat quarterback 528 00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:41,490 focus that they're now suddenly obsessed with is because they 529 00:28:41,490 --> 00:28:44,890 realized, you know, it's going to take at least a few more 530 00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:47,490 years before they have an above average offensive line in the 531 00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:51,730 Big 10. I think if and if they're going 532 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:53,970 to get there, they're going to need someone like Bob Bosnad to 533 00:28:53,970 --> 00:28:58,250 stay here for a few years, which if you look at his, you know, 534 00:28:58,250 --> 00:29:02,260 resume, he doesn't. Usually stay very long at his 535 00:29:02,260 --> 00:29:03,500 stops. I mean, that's kind of the 536 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:05,620 nature of college football coaching in general. 537 00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:09,220 But you know, they're going to need him to to get a bunch of 538 00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:13,340 these Wisconsin kids in and and and develop them for a few years 539 00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:15,980 because that's how long it takes to to create an offensive line. 540 00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:18,940 It's not, you know, you can't just throw Jalen Jay and Lucas 541 00:29:18,940 --> 00:29:21,820 out an offensive guard, you know, like a player like him or 542 00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:24,540 his caliber or whatever the comparison would be and expect 543 00:29:24,540 --> 00:29:26,660 to get production. I mean, you know, you got to put 544 00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:28,420 on serious weight, serious conditioning. 545 00:29:28,420 --> 00:29:30,230 It's. It's a total life change to 546 00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:32,710 become a Big 10 offensive line and you don't just find them 547 00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:36,350 anywhere. So yeah, I mean, I would hope 548 00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:39,790 that all these quotes that we've seen over the first top season 549 00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:43,790 shed light on the offensive line being better because it can't be 550 00:29:43,790 --> 00:29:47,030 worse. And and if it's better, they 551 00:29:47,030 --> 00:29:50,670 have that they they stand a chance to move the ball, but 552 00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:52,910 they're going to have to avoid injuries because there's really 553 00:29:52,910 --> 00:29:55,910 not that much help behind them. It gets scary really fast. 554 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,800 So we will, we will see. And again, you know, I'm going 555 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,320 to end every point with this, but they, they don't have time 556 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,560 to mess around. You know, they got it. 557 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,160 They got to be ready to go. The good news is they're they're 558 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,560 kind of all experienced with with the exception of Carter 559 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,440 Smith, they've all seen a lot of football. 560 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,720 So you know, they know what they're getting. 561 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,800 They they know what they're getting themselves into on 562 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,840 Saturday. Well, it it brings up a larger 563 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:19,960 point though. And this is something you 564 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,160 mentioned the dual third quarterback thing and it's it's 565 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,160 something Scott and I have touched on a few Times Now on 566 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,170 the show. It's like look, what do you 567 00:30:27,170 --> 00:30:31,090 expect I you to want to do offensively this year? 568 00:30:31,090 --> 00:30:32,770 We we don't know who the quarterback's going to be. 569 00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:36,770 We know whoever it is is going to be unproven through the air, 570 00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:40,770 whether that is Tavin Jackson or Brendan Sorosby or Dexter 571 00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:43,330 Williams, which I I'd like to remind everybody that you know 572 00:30:43,330 --> 00:30:45,770 Dexter Williams career completion percentage is still 573 00:30:45,770 --> 00:30:50,770 like 34%. You know it's so you're you're 574 00:30:51,010 --> 00:30:53,330 you you talk about the dual threat thing and that was 575 00:30:53,330 --> 00:30:56,890 certainly the mantra that popped up at the end of last season And 576 00:30:57,210 --> 00:31:00,530 after not hearing it for I think the entirety of the Tom Allen 577 00:31:00,530 --> 00:31:03,170 era, suddenly it became the only thing that they could do. 578 00:31:04,330 --> 00:31:08,210 But it's it is odd because it it's left me less clear even 579 00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:10,810 about what Indiana will want to do offensively this year. 580 00:31:10,810 --> 00:31:14,810 I mean, Walt Bell clearly was hired into a an uncomfortable 581 00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:17,690 situation where he didn't have full control over his offensive 582 00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:20,730 staff. He had an uncertain situation at 583 00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:23,010 quarterback. He had an offensive line that 584 00:31:23,010 --> 00:31:25,770 was struggling to block. He had no real, like proven 585 00:31:25,930 --> 00:31:27,930 receivers that weren't injured coming in. 586 00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:29,730 He didn't have a proven running back. 587 00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:32,970 He was able to find a few things last year, so that stuff wasn't 588 00:31:32,970 --> 00:31:36,170 a complete disaster. Year two of Walt Bell is the 589 00:31:36,170 --> 00:31:40,010 offensive coordinator. From what you've seen and what 590 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:43,490 you know about football, like, what would you expect him to try 591 00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:47,120 to do? He he's going to have to be as 592 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,600 creative as possible. And I I think that's in his DNA 593 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,680 as a as a as a schemer, as an offensive play caller. 594 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,600 You know, the one thing I give Walt Bell a lot of credit for 595 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,640 since he's been here with with an offensive line that that 596 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,760 couldn't block and a quarterback that was a statue back there and 597 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,400 got no fault, no fault to his own. 598 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,990 He, you know, once, once. Once things like got benched or 599 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:15,790 heard or whatever it was and and Dexter was back there, you know, 600 00:32:15,790 --> 00:32:20,830 Walt was able to create an entirely new offense for Dexter, 601 00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:23,310 which which I thought was impressive. 602 00:32:23,790 --> 00:32:27,190 You know, I mean, he should have done that, right? 603 00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:29,750 I mean, like, you know, Dexter Williams is not known for his 604 00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:31,510 arm. He wasn't in high school. 605 00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:34,790 He hasn't since he's been here. You know, he's an athlete. 606 00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:37,710 You got to get him on the run. Right. 607 00:32:37,710 --> 00:32:40,310 And that's what he did. And you know, I think at times 608 00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:44,830 last year it looked really high schooly and I don't necessarily 609 00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:47,150 mean that as like an insult and a joke. 610 00:32:47,270 --> 00:32:50,470 Like it's probably how they're going to be successful this 611 00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:52,350 year. I mean they they're going to 612 00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:56,830 have to do a lot of like short yardage stuff and and hope that 613 00:32:56,830 --> 00:33:01,850 their speed. Can get the job done, but the 614 00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:04,490 issue is that speed is not going to work against Ohio State. 615 00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:06,810 So that might have to be a little different, but they're 616 00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:11,290 going to have to be creative. I think defense is going to make 617 00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:14,250 them prove that they can be competent on offense. 618 00:33:14,490 --> 00:33:17,970 And So what does that look like? Like I think that box gets 619 00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:21,110 stacked, I mean. I would play, I would you know 620 00:33:21,150 --> 00:33:24,110 as great as camp Camper is in a one-on-one setting. 621 00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:26,430 I mean he's huge. He has great hands, pretty, you 622 00:33:26,430 --> 00:33:29,510 know, above average speed and like I said great size. 623 00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:34,430 You know, I would leave Indiana's receivers one-on-one 624 00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:37,630 with, you know, maybe a little safety help here and there, but, 625 00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:41,420 you know, I would. I I would defend the run at all 626 00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:45,460 costs and follow Jalen Lucas with multiple defenders and and 627 00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:47,780 make someone else beat you. I mean Jalen Lucas is going to 628 00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:52,100 be the entire scouting report for these upper echelon Big 10 629 00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:55,940 teams because if Ohio State can limit Jalen Lucas on the ground 630 00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:59,500 and they don't have. Indiana has zero shot in this 631 00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:04,100 game and I think, I think that might change as you know, cave 632 00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:06,980 in or stores be get get more comfortable as the season goes 633 00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:09,400 on. And and Walt becomes more 634 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,040 comfortable calling it and whatnot. 635 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,320 But I think they're going to have to. 636 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,360 They're going to have to do some crazy. 637 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,639 I'm not even talking about trickery on Saturday. 638 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,400 Like maybe there's a little element of that. 639 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,639 But, you know, a ton of notion, a ton of options. 640 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,960 I mean, I wouldn't really hate if you know something I do kind 641 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,120 of want to get your thoughts on is is. 642 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,679 You know Taven Jackson was was brought in as a dual threat 643 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,480 option, right? I mean he was a fantastic 644 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,480 recruit, really heralded in high school, a great debt on paper 645 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,159 for Indiana at the time where they really need strong 646 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,440 quarterback play. But but he's not the fastest. 647 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,600 I mean if people are expecting Taven Jackson to outrun defenses 648 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,840 it just had a flashback of Xander Diaman anywhere close to 649 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,080 that I I don't. I don't think it's going to 650 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,680 happen. I I think he makes his. 651 00:35:02,060 --> 00:35:05,540 His best place with his arm and he didn't throw as much in high 652 00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:09,180 school as as some of the quarterbacks rated near him did 653 00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:12,420 and so that part worries me a little bit. 654 00:35:12,460 --> 00:35:15,380 By all indication serves me is the faster quarterback. 655 00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:20,500 So you know, and again, if you're if you're running a, you 656 00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:24,210 know, speed option type stuff. You know, this is where my 657 00:35:24,210 --> 00:35:25,490 knowledge of football comes from. 658 00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:28,170 Video games, clearly. But if you're running that type 659 00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:30,610 of stuff, which they did all the time with Dexter, some of their 660 00:35:30,610 --> 00:35:32,890 biggest players were with Dexter, starting with the ball 661 00:35:32,890 --> 00:35:35,410 and and kind of, you know, having a little bit of a threat 662 00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:37,850 there, the quarterback's going to get hit. 663 00:35:37,850 --> 00:35:41,810 Which, you know, Tom Allen should have absolute PTSD of 664 00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:44,370 quarterback injuries in general and and willingly. 665 00:35:44,770 --> 00:35:47,650 You know, making their quarterback get hit is not 666 00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:49,930 something he should you should endorse by any means. 667 00:35:51,210 --> 00:35:54,280 So yeah, I I think. Ball It's going to have to be 668 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,840 created. Get the ball. 669 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,080 Get get the ball. They have a ton of guys. 670 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,080 I I love what they did in the I I think they have reliable 671 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,080 receivers. I think EJ Williams has huge 672 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,200 upside and just fell out of favor at Clemson. 673 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,040 I think he is the town. This is the kid who who started 674 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,520 at Clemson as a freshman or venture freshman in the second 675 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,480 or whatever it was when he got on the field early at Clemson. 676 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,160 He's good enough to play here to goose. 677 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,920 Carter was unbelievably productive at the FCS novel, Not 678 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,640 just. A couple 100 yards here there. 679 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,200 I mean he was like in 1000 yard receiver for him. 680 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,440 Like he's going to get open, he's going to catch the ball but 681 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,680 but can walk. They'll find a way to get that 682 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,360 ball into these guys hands as as Scott's pointed out on earlier 683 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,480 episodes of the show. I you spent so much time 684 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,280 throwing balls behind the line of scrimmage. 685 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,560 You know the blocking wasn't there to get the ball down feel. 686 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,800 I mean what you said earlier about you know, double down on 687 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,050 the run. I mean until I U proves that 688 00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:55,770 they can block long enough to give the quarterback time to get 689 00:36:55,770 --> 00:36:58,730 it out. I mean why would you do anything 690 00:36:58,730 --> 00:37:02,970 else as an opponent And you know I echo a lot of your I feel bad 691 00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:06,410 for Connor Basil act and I feel like Connor Basil like weirdly 692 00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:09,730 became a scapegoat for the offense not working last year 693 00:37:09,730 --> 00:37:11,330 for no reason. And I mean, you know, and again, 694 00:37:11,330 --> 00:37:15,490 it's like you're brought in new offensive coordinator, you know, 695 00:37:15,570 --> 00:37:20,330 porous offensive line, uncertain skill position players all over 696 00:37:20,330 --> 00:37:23,530 the place. And you, you win, you know, your 697 00:37:23,530 --> 00:37:27,370 first three games, essentially. And then things start to 698 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:30,010 deteriorate. It's like, I don't know how that 699 00:37:30,010 --> 00:37:33,090 person gets blamed for the ills of the rest of the offense. 700 00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:34,570 And yet that's exactly what happened. 701 00:37:34,570 --> 00:37:38,930 And not only that but the idea of having a pocket passer became 702 00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:41,970 suddenly the problem with I use offense, which is bonkers. 703 00:37:41,970 --> 00:37:45,810 When you think about Michael Penix, not a mobile guy really, 704 00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:48,130 you know not in the traditional running quarterback mold. 705 00:37:48,490 --> 00:37:53,130 That was where you had your best offensive success consistently. 706 00:37:54,690 --> 00:37:58,050 It's it's those kinds of of inconsistencies in terms of how 707 00:37:58,050 --> 00:38:00,930 I you under Allen's, you know, has kind of evaluated the 708 00:38:00,930 --> 00:38:03,050 program internally in the decisions that they've made. 709 00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:07,330 That concerns me now. You know, I think for this year 710 00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:13,340 the fact that they haven't named a starter and I could be proven 711 00:38:13,340 --> 00:38:16,420 wrong on this, but the fact that the starter hasn't been named is 712 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:20,060 telling me that it's probably soresby because I feel like 713 00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:23,780 given and I have no inside info. I was talking with Taylor Layman 714 00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:26,660 from Bite Size Bison on this. He had a nice piece on it today. 715 00:38:27,380 --> 00:38:30,740 But I feel like you know, the way that Tom Allen's been 716 00:38:30,740 --> 00:38:34,340 talking and and the little tidbits that reporters who talk 717 00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:38,730 to assistant coaches tend to drop once you know how to read 718 00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:41,570 those tea leaves, it really sounds like they're just waiting 719 00:38:41,570 --> 00:38:44,890 for Dexter Williams to be in a position where he can start. 720 00:38:45,850 --> 00:38:49,130 If that's the case, I think what you said is 100% accurate that 721 00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:53,610 Soresbee is a faster runner. He is a little bit more like 722 00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:56,970 Dexter Williams than Tavin Jackson would be. 723 00:38:56,970 --> 00:39:00,730 I also think that given the high profile nature of Jackson as a 724 00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:04,490 recruit, as a guy that was at Tennessee, as a guy who is, you 725 00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:08,270 know, clearly related to trace Jackson, Davis, if he was, if he 726 00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:11,070 was going to be the starter, I don't feel like we would be 727 00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:14,390 hiding that behind the curtain until the last possible second, 728 00:39:15,350 --> 00:39:18,630 yeah. I am picturing a fun video 729 00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:21,670 announcement. You know, that gets actual 730 00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:25,150 traction on Twitter and you know the whole the whole school in 731 00:39:25,150 --> 00:39:27,870 fanbase coalesc around. You know Tip and Jackson is the 732 00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:31,880 guy. This is what Tom Allen does. 733 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,840 You know, he, he does it every year, but he's not the only one. 734 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,480 You know, it's funny. I feel like Tom has become like 735 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,440 the face of like gamesmanship or coward, whatever you want to 736 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,520 call it. But James Franklin is the name 737 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,720 Drew Alley of the starter. He's the best quarterback 738 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:48,040 they've ever had. I mean, on paper, right? 739 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,200 And like they they don't even have like a that worthwhile the 740 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,560 challenger to him. So I mean, it's just silly. 741 00:39:56,220 --> 00:39:58,940 I mean, I have no idea. I'm with you there and look, I I 742 00:39:58,940 --> 00:40:00,940 look at it from the standpoint of it. 743 00:40:01,460 --> 00:40:05,260 I think both quarterbacks are of really from a football 744 00:40:05,260 --> 00:40:07,260 perspective. I don't know that it matters 745 00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:10,820 that much because I think if someone had really distinguished 746 00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:13,700 themselves, they would have been named starter by this point. 747 00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:17,540 But that is a problem if nobody's really distinguished 748 00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:20,700 themselves enough to really be starter that you would feel good 749 00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:24,300 about announcing them. I do think that's that's more of 750 00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:27,940 an issue from a a program marketing perspective than it 751 00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:32,780 necessarily is from the perspective of the the on field 752 00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:34,740 product. I do wonder and this kind of 753 00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:36,780 goes back to what you were saying and it and it also ties 754 00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:39,340 into the question I asked earlier, my concern about what 755 00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:42,660 is it that Indiana wants to do? You know, so they if you look at 756 00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:45,140 it, they've got all of these pieces you mentioned. 757 00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:48,340 You know you you've got 3 receivers that at least brand 758 00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:52,670 name wise should be guys who can regularly catch the ball you 759 00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:54,710 know and whether whether they're. 760 00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:56,470 Coming more than that too, right. 761 00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:59,070 And and no, they don't have, they don't know a J Barner's not 762 00:40:59,070 --> 00:41:00,510 around. There's not like a clear cut 763 00:41:00,510 --> 00:41:02,950 case at tight end. But you've also got Jalen Lucas 764 00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:05,790 as a skill guy. You've got, you know Josh 765 00:41:05,790 --> 00:41:09,030 Henderson is a skill guy. You've got some skill position 766 00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:11,030 players. But if the plan is that the 767 00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:13,910 quarterback's going to be like a running quarterback and that 768 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:16,870 that's going to be a main part of the offense, it's kind of a 769 00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:21,090 weird way to go about things. Because A I U does not have the 770 00:41:21,090 --> 00:41:24,330 infrastructure to win a bunch of games, you know, running the 771 00:41:24,330 --> 00:41:27,810 triple option or doing, you know, purely like power run 772 00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:31,170 kinds of things. And you're kind of wasting a lot 773 00:41:31,170 --> 00:41:33,770 of the talent advantages you do have. 774 00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:36,210 If that's the direction that you're planning on going, I mean 775 00:41:36,210 --> 00:41:39,050 I they they, you know, we've talked about this a couple times 776 00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:40,530 on the show. They won the Michigan State game 777 00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:43,530 and that was great and they did it using a completely unexpected 778 00:41:43,530 --> 00:41:46,410 game plan. But they don't win, but they 779 00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:48,730 don't win the game if they don't get the touchdown or the the, 780 00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:51,010 you know, the long returns from Jalen Lucas and they don't win 781 00:41:51,010 --> 00:41:53,330 the game of Michigan State doesn't miss the field goals. 782 00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:56,210 And so it's like, is that really what you're predicating 783 00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:59,530 Everything on moving forward, we don't know. 784 00:41:59,970 --> 00:42:03,210 All we can do is read tea leaves from what we're seeing, what 785 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:05,330 little we've seen and heard in press conferences. 786 00:42:05,330 --> 00:42:07,810 But it sure feels like that might be where they're aiming 787 00:42:07,810 --> 00:42:09,410 at, Teddy. And I don't know if that's a 788 00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:12,490 great plan. Yeah, and and and unless Jalen 789 00:42:12,490 --> 00:42:15,570 Lucas is that literally Devin Hester, I don't think we're 790 00:42:15,570 --> 00:42:18,730 getting that many return touchdowns this year. 791 00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:21,010 I mean, like just like analytically. 792 00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:23,690 Those plays are not repeatable. They're not. 793 00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:26,860 Not relatable. The easiest, the easiest thing 794 00:42:26,860 --> 00:42:29,660 these things do in college is just don't kick to the guy who 795 00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:32,020 can return it. And it's, you know, might have 796 00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:34,500 been a surprise last year. And then if you have people, I 797 00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:36,580 mean, Jay Lucas only returned 2 kicks for touchdowns. 798 00:42:36,580 --> 00:42:38,140 It wasn't like he did it every game. 799 00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:39,180 It. Felt like 12. 800 00:42:39,340 --> 00:42:40,500 It did. It really did. 801 00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:42,540 But that's in. That's the that might be the 802 00:42:42,540 --> 00:42:46,700 easiest thing that an opposing team can take off the table. 803 00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:48,660 And it's like, well, I guess what you're starting every drive 804 00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:53,340 at the 25 now. Good luck going 75 yards with 805 00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:54,940 not throwing the football that much. 806 00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:58,540 I mean that that really does. If that's where Indiana's going 807 00:42:58,540 --> 00:43:00,300 and I'm not, I don't know that it is. 808 00:43:00,420 --> 00:43:03,780 But it worries me that they might be considering something 809 00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:06,540 along those lines. I think it's going to have to be 810 00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:08,140 a part. I I don't think it's. 811 00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:11,860 I don't think it's the the foundation of the offense. 812 00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:14,300 I I don't think it's it's a winnable formula. 813 00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:18,620 I think they're going to have to see a quarterback grow up in 814 00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:21,980 front of their eyes. Week by week, if this thing is 815 00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:25,460 going to be successful and they're going to try to hit on a 816 00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:28,460 pitch count of those types of plays every week. 817 00:43:28,780 --> 00:43:33,260 And you know, depending on the opponent or just the blocking, 818 00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:35,420 you know they're going to hit on them from time to time. 819 00:43:35,420 --> 00:43:40,020 But to to go back to the well of like our Jalen, our Jalen, our 820 00:43:40,020 --> 00:43:42,890 Jalen, you know, like. All right. 821 00:43:42,970 --> 00:43:46,250 Quarterback in Jalen you know it's the strength of this team 822 00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:49,330 is in the in the receiving port. Well, I wanted to ask you 823 00:43:49,330 --> 00:43:51,730 though, because one of the things we have heard is Tom 824 00:43:51,730 --> 00:43:54,890 Allen saying we got to find more ways to get Jalen Lucas the 825 00:43:54,890 --> 00:43:57,130 football. You know, we've heard like, 826 00:43:57,130 --> 00:43:58,970 well, yeah, we're going to find ways to get him into this part 827 00:43:58,970 --> 00:44:00,730 of the offense or that part of the offense. 828 00:44:01,450 --> 00:44:04,090 How does Indiana utilize Jalen Lucas? 829 00:44:04,370 --> 00:44:06,850 I've thought I've been asking people this question a lot. 830 00:44:06,850 --> 00:44:09,370 I don't have a great answer because he's not in every down 831 00:44:09,370 --> 00:44:11,960 back. Like this is not a guy you would 832 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,440 hand the ball off to and plunge him into the line. 833 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,960 And it's he's a, you know, he's a guy who probably does better 834 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,680 in like, you know, on screens and in space. 835 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,480 We don't know because we didn't really see him on offense last 836 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,720 year, you know? But like, it's not a situation 837 00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:32,120 where you using him like a feature back is really going to 838 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,680 work unless there's something about his game that we just 839 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,460 haven't seen. Yeah. 840 00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:40,220 And he's supposedly, you know put in the work this offseason 841 00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:43,020 to get there at receiver to to to get there. 842 00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:46,580 But do do you want to to throw passes to Jalen? 843 00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:48,700 Do you want to do you want to throw slants over the middle to 844 00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:51,540 Jalen Lucas? I mean, not really. 845 00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:54,380 I mean he if he's if he's that important to your offense, I 846 00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:57,260 mean you want to get him into space where you can make people 847 00:44:57,260 --> 00:44:58,460 miss. I mean, you don't. 848 00:44:59,580 --> 00:45:03,660 I don't want to see him get hit, you know, repeatedly over the 849 00:45:03,660 --> 00:45:05,890 middle. Where he's not used to catching 850 00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:09,730 balls like that. So I, I, I, I think you know 851 00:45:09,730 --> 00:45:11,690 this is going to this might sound a little crazy. 852 00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:18,010 I think his value actually might be more rooted in in being used 853 00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:22,130 as a decoy and and purposely maybe not purposely. 854 00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:25,050 But you know like I said I think defenses are going to spend all 855 00:45:25,050 --> 00:45:27,970 week trying to figure out how Indian is going to use them and 856 00:45:27,970 --> 00:45:30,250 Indiana should know that and and. 857 00:45:30,670 --> 00:45:33,510 You know, he's the guy that the defenses have to take away and 858 00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:37,510 you know in the Indiana has to to take advantage of that. 859 00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:40,430 I mean, it's not every day that they have that type of kid. 860 00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:42,750 I'm gonna. I'm assuming you don't have your 861 00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:45,150 stat sheet pulled up right now and aren't looking at it. 862 00:45:45,150 --> 00:45:51,390 Can you How many passes did Jalen Lucas catch last year? 863 00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:54,390 I didn't complete many to begin with. 864 00:45:57,430 --> 00:46:00,770 Oh boy. I'm going super low for Okay. 865 00:46:00,770 --> 00:46:04,450 It's not that bad. Yeah, so he cut, he cut 16 balls 866 00:46:05,170 --> 00:46:09,810 for 82 yards. He had a 5.13 yards per catch 867 00:46:10,050 --> 00:46:14,050 average, right? Didn't didn't score a touchdown. 868 00:46:14,250 --> 00:46:17,690 Now it's interesting, even on the in the running front, you 869 00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:21,530 know he was in terms of yards per carry, the best back Indiana 870 00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:24,850 had. He he carried for 5.5 yards per 871 00:46:24,850 --> 00:46:28,130 carry, scored two touchdowns. However, he only rushed 49 times 872 00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:33,110 for 271 yards, which was third on the team in both categories. 873 00:46:33,110 --> 00:46:38,830 Your Sean Shivers got 143 carries, Josh Henderson got 90 874 00:46:38,830 --> 00:46:42,190 carries. So Lucas got, you know, barely 875 00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:44,990 more than half of what Josh Henderson had. 876 00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:50,550 And so it's it's interesting because I am, you know first of 877 00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:56,390 all Indiana got out rushed by almost 800 yards last year but 878 00:46:56,390 --> 00:47:01,840 they passed for almost the exact same amount or they received 879 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,480 almost the same amount of yards. Like it's it's it's kind of this 880 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,560 weird thing as as opponents where you know Indiana's 881 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,680 receivers, I think they were like 600 yards behind what their 882 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,760 opponents did. It wasn't as bad as the rushing 883 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,720 attack was So that there maybe is an opening to do more 884 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:20,240 running. But it would be interesting to 885 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:25,340 see exactly how Jalen Lucas fits into that mix and whether the 886 00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:28,380 fact that he's going to, I guess, theoretically be more of 887 00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:30,660 a central part of the offense ends up making him less 888 00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:32,900 effective. Because, as you mentioned 889 00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:35,620 earlier, he ends up getting keyed on constantly throughout 890 00:47:35,620 --> 00:47:38,740 the course of the game. Yeah, I think, yeah. 891 00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:41,420 And I think you take advantage of him being keyed on 892 00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:43,820 constantly, and then you get the ball in space. 893 00:47:43,820 --> 00:47:48,780 You know, whether that's slot screens or pitches outside, they 894 00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:51,540 have some big dudes at receiver that should be able to walk. 895 00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:58,460 I mean, we're going to find out. If that's true, but you swing it 896 00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:02,300 out to Jaylen on the backfield and you get some blockers up 897 00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:03,900 front, I mean, kind of good luck. 898 00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:07,460 Like, I don't really care like which linebackers are in front 899 00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:08,740 of them. Like, you should be able to make 900 00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:10,100 the mess. And if you can't, he's just 901 00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:14,460 gonna run past them. But you know, I've been thinking 902 00:48:14,460 --> 00:48:18,020 about Can Perry a lot too, because if you give Jalen Lucas, 903 00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:22,460 you know, better hands, probably slightly, you know, less speed 904 00:48:22,460 --> 00:48:25,180 but a little bit of size that that's kind of what Can Perry is 905 00:48:25,180 --> 00:48:28,860 on paper. And you know, having two quick 906 00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:33,380 guys that can play the slot is, is a nice luxury to have, 907 00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:35,340 especially when you have big bodies on the outside. 908 00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:38,620 I mean, just talking about Adnia's office is just so. 909 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,200 Frustrating because if they had a quarterback who as as as 910 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,400 completed a past period, you know you could really get behind 911 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,600 it a little bit and you know, hopefully when it's week seven, 912 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,400 week 8, you know there's a little bit more confidence back 913 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,800 there. I'm going to counter you. 914 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,760 I I think Taven's starting. Why? 915 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,080 I don't know. I I I think, you know, whenever 916 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,760 you have an elite elevenish quarterback, you kind of have to 917 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,480 play them. But you know I I've watched 918 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,400 Shorty's high school tape a couple weeks ago and you know it 919 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,760 looked a lot better than I remembered it when we got him at 920 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,960 the time. So. 921 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,840 And he and he played big boy high school football too and he 922 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,960 does have a year in the system and he is quicker. 923 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,720 So you know, I, I, I think we're all imagining things about David 924 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:29,360 Jackson. But none of this is rooted in 925 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,200 reality, really, because we're we're kind of fantasizing. 926 00:49:32,740 --> 00:49:36,060 And look, I have, I have gone through the whole offseason on 927 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:38,580 the assumption automatically that Taven Jackson was going to 928 00:49:38,580 --> 00:49:40,420 be the starting quarterback. And it's really only been the 929 00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:44,260 last week or two, as the Dexter Williams talk has popped up, 930 00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:47,220 that it's given me some second thoughts about what they might 931 00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:51,220 end up doing there. You know, another, I say one 932 00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:54,100 other guy that we haven't talked about a whole lot that I'm 933 00:49:54,180 --> 00:49:59,300 curious about is Donovan Mccully as a skill position player. 934 00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:01,300 I mean this is a guy came in with a tremendous amount of hype 935 00:50:01,780 --> 00:50:04,940 and we'd have started at quarterback for a couple of 936 00:50:04,940 --> 00:50:08,140 games and then was in the wide receiver room and didn't do very 937 00:50:08,140 --> 00:50:11,300 much last year despite being a great athletic specimen. 938 00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:15,100 And now you know you mentioned I mean you of all people as 939 00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:18,580 plugged in as you are to to how are you plays football and what 940 00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:20,540 the rosters it. Then you mentioned, you 941 00:50:20,540 --> 00:50:22,540 mentioned Cam Perry, you've mentioned to Quiese Carter, 942 00:50:22,540 --> 00:50:25,020 you've mentioned Cam Camper. You've mentioned DJ Williams. 943 00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:27,300 You know, I'm sure Omar Cooper would be a guy that you would 944 00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:29,510 mention as well. Like, does McCauley see the 945 00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:33,510 field at this point? I'm Anderson Kobe, who was, 946 00:50:33,550 --> 00:50:36,270 yeah, pretty reliable last year. I mean, I don't think and a 947 00:50:36,270 --> 00:50:38,310 former Tennessee player as well, yes. 948 00:50:38,310 --> 00:50:40,590 Yeah, yeah. I don't think he's a player that 949 00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:43,990 wins you games. But, you know, last year he 950 00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:46,710 caught the ball when it was thrown to him, You know, it was 951 00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:50,070 pretty reliable, yeah. And McCauley supposedly is 952 00:50:50,070 --> 00:50:52,990 primed to take another step. You know, kind of reading in 953 00:50:52,990 --> 00:50:55,550 between the lines of the quotes, it seems like he's mature, that 954 00:50:55,550 --> 00:50:57,470 receiver, and not just kind of been like. 955 00:50:58,070 --> 00:51:02,390 Basketball player athlete who can get the ball in a jump off 956 00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:05,990 situation it seems like you know I take that as refined route 957 00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:10,830 running and and and just kind of knowing how how how to get the 958 00:51:10,830 --> 00:51:13,990 ball rather than just running around and and and hoping that 959 00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:16,990 it helping you can go up and grab it which you know probably 960 00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:18,990 can't be replicated against Big Ten corners. 961 00:51:19,830 --> 00:51:20,990 Yeah he's going to see the field. 962 00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:24,070 I mean this is a crazy rotation. I also think you know, knowing 963 00:51:24,070 --> 00:51:26,190 how Tom handles injuries, I think you know. 964 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,440 I'm not saying Camp Camper gets eased in, but like he gets 965 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:34,520 rotated in on Saturday more than he will six weeks from now. 966 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,800 So there's going to be opportunities for all of these 967 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,600 guys to catch the ball and there's even guys behind them 968 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,760 that that should be ready to take the next step. 969 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,240 Jocko Smith should be ready to take the next step. 970 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,680 You know they they have a ton of talent at receiver. 971 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,920 I don't think you can ever have enough, but EJ Williams was 972 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,160 brought here to to be on the field for every play. 973 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,280 And and so was camp tampering and last year he was spectacular 974 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,960 and they don't win the Illinois game without him. 975 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,880 So yeah, it's it, but it's a lot of competition. 976 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,440 I think McCall is going to have every shot, but I don't think 977 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,760 he's going to put up like crazy numbers just because of the the 978 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,800 the questionable quarterback play that we're kind of like 979 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,040 embracing for. It's like. 980 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,760 I'm I'm I'm picturing like the first snap of of of Saturday and 981 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,800 we're all just kind of like holding our breath to like A see 982 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,080 who runs out and like B see that first pass completed. 983 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,640 Because I I can just I can hear the groan of the stadium. 984 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,280 It's like the first play is like like it was last year when when 985 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,800 shot Tigers got blown up or like something terrible like they 986 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,200 just need like Oh my God they they completed the ball like 987 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,840 it's second and six like let's go Yeah yeah it's going to be 988 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,640 interesting I mean seeing how everything plays out in that 989 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,600 environment and and how everybody reacts. 990 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,480 I don't I who who knows at this point. 991 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,960 I mean it's going to be a fascinating scene and and really 992 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,360 the first two weeks I mean it's just such an unusual game 993 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,400 situations 330 on CBS playing Ohio State in game one and then 994 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,120 you got a Friday night game against Indiana State in game 995 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:11,010 two and it's it's just it's the the seasons always start weird 996 00:53:11,010 --> 00:53:15,650 in this era of college football and and we've seen a lot of 997 00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:18,050 these types of games it always feels like it takes us until 998 00:53:18,050 --> 00:53:20,130 late September before we really know what we're dealing with. 999 00:53:20,130 --> 00:53:26,490 Regardless I just I I feel like this is the year where we know 1000 00:53:26,490 --> 00:53:32,330 the least about I U football probably going back to like 2012 1001 00:53:32,810 --> 00:53:36,870 and and that's unfortunate because I I feel like for for 1002 00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:40,070 many years we had a clear sense of who the personnel were, what 1003 00:53:40,070 --> 00:53:43,590 Indiana was trying to do, who was going to be the key players 1004 00:53:43,790 --> 00:53:45,310 and how they were going to fit into things. 1005 00:53:45,310 --> 00:53:47,790 And then we would get pleasantly surprised by other guys popping 1006 00:53:47,790 --> 00:53:49,790 up. And this year it's just real 1007 00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:52,390 hard to get a beat on everything and that doesn't mean that it 1008 00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:54,990 you know can't turn out okay and I guess to kind of wrap up the 1009 00:53:54,990 --> 00:53:58,230 conversation how do you see the season going. 1010 00:53:58,230 --> 00:54:00,950 I mean what it what is if you're if you're putting money down on 1011 00:54:00,950 --> 00:54:03,870 predictions at this point, like how do you see this team 1012 00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:06,110 ultimately faring when it's all said and done? 1013 00:54:07,790 --> 00:54:09,990 Yeah, it's the $1,000,000 question, isn't it? 1014 00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:13,110 Yeah. And like I'm going to have a 1015 00:54:13,350 --> 00:54:18,630 much more reality rooted answer like after a couple plays on 1016 00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:21,190 Saturday when we actually can like look at it with our own 1017 00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:24,790 eyes. Yeah, like I'm, I'm always 1018 00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:26,950 optimistic. I I do think this team, you 1019 00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:30,190 know, while we don't know anything about them really, I I 1020 00:54:30,190 --> 00:54:34,400 think there's potential. Across the board last year the 1021 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,320 team fell apart down the stretch completely fell apart. 1022 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,640 I I think they they quit in some of their on some of their 1023 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:45,320 coaches quits probably not the right word but lost faith in in 1024 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,000 in kind of the how the ship was moving injuries just decimated 1025 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,840 it you know and I think this is a team that can get better as 1026 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,160 the season goes on which. Is great because that that 1027 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,240 that's a that's a change from from that from the last two 1028 00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:05,600 seasons. I I I think it can win. 1029 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,600 I think it can win four or five games. 1030 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,600 You know I wanna I wanna I wanna go further but but I gotta stop 1031 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,560 myself. It's a tough schedule. 1032 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,160 It always is. I don't even care about losing 1033 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,200 divisions you know the schools they're adding it's it's going 1034 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,840 to stay hard. It's going to be a different 1035 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,570 hard. I I think Louisville is more 1036 00:55:24,570 --> 00:55:27,090 winnable than people probably give it credit for. 1037 00:55:27,250 --> 00:55:31,730 The national media is really high on on a Jeff Brown first 1038 00:55:31,730 --> 00:55:33,770 year program. You know neutral say and 1039 00:55:33,770 --> 00:55:36,810 anything can happen. You know, by then, hopefully, 1040 00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:39,890 you know Indiana kind of gets the training wheels off off its 1041 00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:43,810 quarterback. But but after that, you know 1042 00:55:43,810 --> 00:55:45,730 they should be at Rutgers at home. 1043 00:55:46,690 --> 00:55:49,090 But Sheanna's recruited pretty well. 1044 00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:56,070 Yeah it's you know I'm I'm I'm really what I'm really scared 1045 00:55:56,070 --> 00:55:59,030 about is is kind of you know Ohio State blows the doors off 1046 00:55:59,030 --> 00:56:03,470 this team you have a couple good moments but you know they they 1047 00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:05,790 can't mess around against Indiana State or Akron. 1048 00:56:05,790 --> 00:56:08,830 You know they they can't afford to lose those games. 1049 00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:11,670 You know, I think that's where you would really lose the fan 1050 00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:16,350 base and and the noise and on time Alan would would get pretty 1051 00:56:16,350 --> 00:56:19,990 pretty crazy because you know, even the thought of. 1052 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,480 This is the season where we know the least about this program. 1053 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,560 You know what year are we in on Sun Island 5-6 ish. 1054 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:33,440 It's yeah, it's not great. So I would say four or five 1055 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:34,920 wins. I think they get better as it 1056 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,840 goes on. You know I could see this team 1057 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,600 you know losing to Louisville maybe even a weird upset against 1058 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,320 Akron if if if something goes horribly wrong. 1059 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,600 But, but I could see this team kind of figuring out. 1060 00:56:47,630 --> 00:56:50,270 You know, beating in Michigan State, playing close with Purdue 1061 00:56:50,270 --> 00:56:53,110 the end of year and the fan base kind of goes in the next season 1062 00:56:53,110 --> 00:56:58,670 with with a little bit more hope that than we are right now. 1063 00:56:58,670 --> 00:57:03,230 But you know, that being said, Indiana football always makes it 1064 00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:05,870 interesting. So we'll see. 1065 00:57:06,070 --> 00:57:08,350 One of the things I think is really fascinating and I'm going 1066 00:57:08,350 --> 00:57:11,590 to save my predictions until I do The Ending Podcast with Scott 1067 00:57:11,590 --> 00:57:16,400 here in a couple of days. But people going back and forth, 1068 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,680 I've heard people on other podcasts talking about well you 1069 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,880 know Indiana won some games that maybe they should have lost but 1070 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:21,880 lost some games they should have won. 1071 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,880 Which actually if you go back and look at last year that's not 1072 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,520 what happened. They they they got right and and 1073 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,120 well, but no they they won that game they probably shouldn't 1074 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,280 have. They won Western Kentucky. 1075 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,160 They probably shouldn't have. They won Michigan State. 1076 00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,400 They probably shouldn't have. And and that, you know, so 1077 00:57:38,590 --> 00:57:41,030 normally I'd look at Indiana and I'd be like, you know, 1078 00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:42,990 regression has to go in their favor. 1079 00:57:42,990 --> 00:57:46,470 But a lot of the regression candidacy elements are bad for 1080 00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:51,070 Indiana, not just the fact that they won three last possession 1081 00:57:51,070 --> 00:57:54,670 games last year without losing any. 1082 00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:56,790 Did you know, I didn't realize this. 1083 00:57:56,830 --> 00:58:01,550 I read it in somebody's piece the other day that Indiana was 1084 00:58:01,550 --> 00:58:07,110 the Power 5 conference team for the most penalty yards per game 1085 00:58:07,110 --> 00:58:09,590 against them, which is hilarious. 1086 00:58:09,710 --> 00:58:13,670 I mean as as a longtime complainer of officiating and 1087 00:58:13,710 --> 00:58:15,870 and the perspective that I U get screwed. 1088 00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:21,590 You know, I U opponents averaged 68.4 penalty yards against last 1089 00:58:21,590 --> 00:58:26,550 year and that as a regression candidate would not be ideal 1090 00:58:26,550 --> 00:58:29,870 because there's there's a lot of stuff that I guess opponents 1091 00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:31,630 would have left on the table through that process. 1092 00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:34,570 So that's that's going to be interesting to watch. 1093 00:58:34,570 --> 00:58:37,970 But yeah, look, I think there are some some positive case 1094 00:58:38,130 --> 00:58:41,210 scenarios for I UI know that if you listen to this whole 1095 00:58:41,210 --> 00:58:43,290 podcast, you're probably like, well, here they go being 1096 00:58:43,290 --> 00:58:46,210 negative again. But no, it's like if if all the 1097 00:58:46,210 --> 00:58:48,850 things we're talking about line up, if there's a coherent 1098 00:58:48,850 --> 00:58:52,090 offensive philosophy, if they can get the ball to their best 1099 00:58:52,090 --> 00:58:54,610 players because they have the blocking time to do so. 1100 00:58:55,050 --> 00:58:58,770 If they've got a quarterback who's able to make throws and 1101 00:58:58,770 --> 00:59:02,110 make good decisions, perhaps more importantly and if this 1102 00:59:02,110 --> 00:59:06,830 defense of essentially outsiders is able to coalesce, well, okay. 1103 00:59:06,910 --> 00:59:09,790 I mean there's there's winnable games on the schedule. 1104 00:59:09,790 --> 00:59:14,230 You know, as I said in an earlier tweet, you know there 1105 00:59:14,350 --> 00:59:17,030 the you could there's nine winnable games on the schedule 1106 00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:20,190 like there really are. And none of none of the you get 1107 00:59:20,190 --> 00:59:22,550 outside the big three that Indiana's playing and none of 1108 00:59:22,550 --> 00:59:25,910 them are that scary. First year Wisconsin. 1109 00:59:26,190 --> 00:59:29,030 Yeah, first year Wisconsin. You know, first year coach at 1110 00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:32,250 Purdue, Illinois is a regression candidate. 1111 00:59:32,250 --> 00:59:34,770 You know Rutgers, as you mentioned Maryland, who's 1112 00:59:34,770 --> 00:59:37,490 probably also a regression candidate given how their season 1113 00:59:37,490 --> 00:59:39,770 went last year. I mean there's a lot of those 1114 00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:44,730 types of things that you could look at, but I there's just so 1115 00:59:44,730 --> 00:59:48,170 little to go off of. And this is where you just, if 1116 00:59:48,170 --> 00:59:50,330 you're going to predict Indiana's going to win more than 1117 00:59:50,330 --> 00:59:53,850 four games, you're really kind of doing it on faith. 1118 00:59:53,890 --> 00:59:57,030 And that's absolutely, that's absolutely your prerogative. 1119 00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:58,750 Not you, but like it, the people listening. 1120 00:59:58,750 --> 01:00:00,230 It's your prerogative. You want to do that. 1121 01:00:00,830 --> 01:00:03,470 I just don't know what the evidence would be at this point 1122 01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:05,590 that you would point to other than I believe. 1123 01:00:05,710 --> 01:00:07,030 And sometimes that's all you need. 1124 01:00:07,790 --> 01:00:11,910 But it's it's a weird place to be for Indiana where, you know, 1125 01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:15,430 beliefs rarely translate into tangible things. 1126 01:00:16,750 --> 01:00:20,390 It's it's college football. I mean and football in general, 1127 01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:23,350 it's just it comes down to quarterback play and it's always 1128 01:00:23,350 --> 01:00:27,610 going to, I guess, you know, that's oversimplifying because 1129 01:00:27,610 --> 01:00:30,370 last year they, you know, they had a quarterback who could 1130 01:00:30,370 --> 01:00:33,130 throw a ball, but you know, they they couldn't give them, you 1131 01:00:33,130 --> 01:00:36,490 know, more than 90, a second and a half to do so. 1132 01:00:36,490 --> 01:00:40,690 So, you know, does a quarterback grow up? 1133 01:00:41,010 --> 01:00:43,810 You know, and there's going to be, even if even if they do, 1134 01:00:43,810 --> 01:00:47,850 there's going to be some brutal growing pains, You know, 1135 01:00:47,890 --> 01:00:52,010 ridiculous turnovers. I mean, you can go back. 1136 01:00:52,050 --> 01:00:54,010 Payton Ramsey turned into a really. 1137 01:00:54,010 --> 01:00:57,050 Good starting quarterback. He didn't start that way. 1138 01:00:57,290 --> 01:01:00,090 You know, I mean Michael Penix. I mean, we, you know, we only 1139 01:01:00,090 --> 01:01:05,010 really got to see him and fits and starts, but even those games 1140 01:01:05,010 --> 01:01:08,530 that he was playing early on in his career, he was good, but he 1141 01:01:08,530 --> 01:01:10,930 wasn't like all the time good. You're going to have these these 1142 01:01:10,930 --> 01:01:13,010 learning curves and that's that's 100% true. 1143 01:01:13,090 --> 01:01:14,850 I'm glad you brought that up, because it's. 1144 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,560 It is something that you just, you're going to deal with. 1145 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,400 You're going to deal with the professional level too. 1146 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,880 I mean the, you know, Anthony Richardson starting for the 1147 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,360 Colts. Like, he's going, you know 1148 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,240 Justin Fields who was a really good quarterback at the college 1149 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,480 level that's had brutal growing pains getting to that next 1150 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,880 level. Indiana's not. 1151 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,240 You know it's not only not immune to that. 1152 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,120 That's been the rule of operations. 1153 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,480 Nate Sudfeld struggled early on in his career. 1154 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,240 I mean that there's these things happen. 1155 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,520 I just worry like there's such there's such the little track 1156 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,670 record for. Having the space around you at 1157 01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:50,590 IU to be able to go through those growing pains without 1158 01:01:50,590 --> 01:01:53,590 either getting injured, you know, is that that you know that 1159 01:01:53,590 --> 01:01:55,430 that's a real problem. I'm really worried about it. 1160 01:01:56,430 --> 01:02:00,630 People seemed really mad that that the staff didn't go out and 1161 01:02:00,710 --> 01:02:05,750 get another one year veteran quarterback to just kind of 1162 01:02:06,110 --> 01:02:08,790 bridge the gap. You know because it didn't. 1163 01:02:09,030 --> 01:02:13,200 It wasn't pretty last year. Chance Nolan is a name that just 1164 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,760 people love. Why didn't we get Chance Nolan? 1165 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,320 And you know anyone like that who would actually, there were 1166 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,080 others like there was some running quarterbacks was. 1167 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,920 At the there was like 3 or 4 handoff. 1168 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,200 I really wanted Jeffsons, who's at Nebraska. 1169 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,080 Yeah, I was obsessed with Jeffson. 1170 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,440 Seemed like everything that they they wanted to do on offense. 1171 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:37,040 And this staff didn't even really look that hard at 1172 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,910 bringing one of those guys in and I've been just kind of 1173 01:02:40,990 --> 01:02:43,910 trying to figure out why because it it it seems like this 1174 01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:47,550 competition you know you know maybe they had a starter for 1175 01:02:47,550 --> 01:02:51,030 weeks now and this is all just one big game and and and we're 1176 01:02:51,030 --> 01:02:53,710 we're just suckers who are you know reading it between the 1177 01:02:53,710 --> 01:02:56,950 lines of of this game that's really just like APR stunt. 1178 01:02:56,950 --> 01:03:01,870 But you know it didn't really they didn't make it seem like 1179 01:03:01,870 --> 01:03:04,950 they believed in their what they had so much that they weren't. 1180 01:03:05,110 --> 01:03:08,630 You know, I I think it was it didn't work last year and 1181 01:03:09,630 --> 01:03:12,470 they're at the point now where they see value in having a 1182 01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:16,190 season of growing pains. Maybe they get lucky a couple 1183 01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:20,750 times you know along the season and can eke out wins with a high 1184 01:03:20,750 --> 01:03:23,790 potential guy like they might feel like they have. 1185 01:03:23,830 --> 01:03:26,230 And then you know you have a full offseason with them. 1186 01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:29,710 And if if things go great, you have three to four years of this 1187 01:03:29,710 --> 01:03:33,870 guy to build your office around. And they see value in throwing 1188 01:03:33,870 --> 01:03:37,310 them into the fire. And you know, seeing who rises 1189 01:03:37,310 --> 01:03:40,150 and and if they they really have someone they can build a program 1190 01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:42,870 around. But man, it's. 1191 01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:46,150 Time at that kind of time I mean you know the staff needs to get 1192 01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:48,550 wins and and then you get wins quickly. 1193 01:03:48,550 --> 01:03:52,790 I'm not on the the the hot seat fire train that that everyone is 1194 01:03:52,790 --> 01:03:57,350 and I'm not even really talking about that with the the buyout 1195 01:03:57,350 --> 01:04:00,580 number. I I just, I don't really think 1196 01:04:00,580 --> 01:04:04,020 any and it can do that much better at the head coaching job 1197 01:04:04,060 --> 01:04:06,100 and if they do they're going to lose them in two years or 1198 01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:09,780 whatever. So it's like it seems like 1199 01:04:09,780 --> 01:04:13,900 they're playing for the long haul at quarterback and we'll 1200 01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:15,380 see if it works out. Yeah. 1201 01:04:15,380 --> 01:04:17,140 I mean, that's all we can do. And I think it's. 1202 01:04:19,460 --> 01:04:22,260 It's it's going to be just fascinating to watch it unfold. 1203 01:04:22,260 --> 01:04:24,300 And I do, I do think it's a calculated risk. 1204 01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:27,900 I mean, I I find it hard to believe that there wouldn't have 1205 01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:31,930 been. A senior level starter who would 1206 01:04:31,930 --> 01:04:34,730 have, you know, you could have brought in, who could have run 1207 01:04:34,730 --> 01:04:36,250 things. And it's a really curious 1208 01:04:36,250 --> 01:04:38,970 decision that they went the youth route. 1209 01:04:40,370 --> 01:04:42,130 And I don't know if that means they just really believe in 1210 01:04:42,130 --> 01:04:44,610 Dexter Williams and they're just holding the seat warm for him. 1211 01:04:44,610 --> 01:04:47,010 Or if it means that they really believe in one of these two 1212 01:04:47,010 --> 01:04:48,570 guys. Or if it means that they really 1213 01:04:48,570 --> 01:04:51,210 couldn't get one of those potential starters out of the 1214 01:04:51,210 --> 01:04:52,650 portal for one reason or another. 1215 01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:55,650 I it could be any one of a number of answers. 1216 01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,840 You know, I I think it's a decision that got made by a 1217 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,400 coach who realizes that yes, he's you know there's some heat 1218 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,200 on him. But as you said, I we talked 1219 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,080 about this in the first preseason pod like he's not 1220 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,680 getting fired. I mean it's just it's not going 1221 01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,160 to happen to the money's not there. 1222 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:18,880 And so that well, well, well, you know, I think, I mean that's 1223 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,240 a philosophical conversation that probably is a whole 1224 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,840 separate podcast I do think. I do think that there's a 1225 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,200 there's a debate to be had. And but I do also think that 1226 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,160 from the standpoint of, you know, the the reality of the 1227 01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:37,480 situation it's it's not worth conversing about because it's 1228 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,780 it's not. A pathway that Indiana's looking 1229 01:05:40,780 --> 01:05:42,540 at. And so that means for better or 1230 01:05:42,540 --> 01:05:48,540 for worse, you've got a two year spam minimum that stuff gets 1231 01:05:48,540 --> 01:05:50,860 done in. And if you really believe that, 1232 01:05:50,860 --> 01:05:52,820 hey, we're going to go this direction and we're going to 1233 01:05:52,820 --> 01:05:55,300 line all of these things up and we're going to line up our line 1234 01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:57,780 play and we're going to line up who we get in the quarterback 1235 01:05:57,780 --> 01:06:00,100 and the types of skill position players were getting. 1236 01:06:00,580 --> 01:06:02,980 And we think we can have success with that even if it takes an 1237 01:06:02,980 --> 01:06:05,100 extra year. That's going to be a real hard 1238 01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:08,180 pill to swallow for a lot of I U fans who were sold on the idea 1239 01:06:08,180 --> 01:06:12,380 that the program had elevated, only for it to take these two 1240 01:06:12,380 --> 01:06:15,660 giant leaps backwards to then say, well, we got to get back up 1241 01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:18,180 to it. But there's also the reality of 1242 01:06:18,180 --> 01:06:20,420 the situation, which is this is where you're at. 1243 01:06:20,780 --> 01:06:24,420 And whatever you thought you were going to be doing three 1244 01:06:24,420 --> 01:06:27,740 years ago doesn't matter as much as what you're actually doing 1245 01:06:27,740 --> 01:06:29,980 now. And that is a big question mark. 1246 01:06:29,980 --> 01:06:33,310 And that's where. That's where all the confusion 1247 01:06:33,470 --> 01:06:37,430 irritates me, Teddy, because it's like, you know, I do feel 1248 01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:40,230 like the fans deserve a little bit more clarity about what the 1249 01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:44,190 football program looks like. Because ultimately what you're 1250 01:06:44,350 --> 01:06:46,830 you're asking people to buy tickets and spend money and 1251 01:06:46,830 --> 01:06:49,510 spend time on. Essentially a big leap of faith 1252 01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:52,830 from a guy who's burned a lot of goodwill, unfortunately, over 1253 01:06:52,830 --> 01:06:55,280 the last couple of years. Yeah. 1254 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:56,640 And I think you're actually seeing that. 1255 01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,760 I don't know if you've gone on the the the ticket page for the 1256 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,360 Ohio State game. I mean this thing might not be a 1257 01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,560 sellout, it's probably going to be pretty close. 1258 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:09,800 But you know 2017 it, it was a pretty obvious sellout. 1259 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,680 You know, totally different team, different expectations, 1260 01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:17,720 different probably improved marketing for the game, but a 1261 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,480 whole, whole, whole ton of reasons. 1262 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,850 But yeah, I think you're kind of seeing that with ticket sales. 1263 01:07:22,850 --> 01:07:25,890 I mean, it's like it's the first Big 10 CBS game and a great 1264 01:07:25,890 --> 01:07:29,170 window, great weather, huge opponent. 1265 01:07:30,130 --> 01:07:32,490 And you know, it's almost like a football game is not even 1266 01:07:32,490 --> 01:07:35,850 happening. And it's because no one knows 1267 01:07:35,850 --> 01:07:39,170 who's going to play quarterback and no one's seen anything to 1268 01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:40,810 make them want to care who it is. 1269 01:07:40,810 --> 01:07:42,890 It's like he's driving out there. 1270 01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:45,730 We'll see how it goes. I, I, I, I'll leave you on this. 1271 01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:50,010 I think my biggest worry for this season is that it's a 1272 01:07:50,170 --> 01:07:57,010 constant roulette of quarterback and no one, no one has the the 1273 01:07:57,250 --> 01:08:01,890 the leash or the the string of games that they need to actually 1274 01:08:01,890 --> 01:08:05,290 grow up. And you know, they it's a 1275 01:08:05,290 --> 01:08:08,410 dumpster fire when it starts and then everyone's waiting for 1276 01:08:08,410 --> 01:08:10,690 Dexter to get back and they plug in Dexter. 1277 01:08:10,690 --> 01:08:13,450 And I don't know and then an injury happens or he gets pulled 1278 01:08:13,450 --> 01:08:15,870 or something. I just just like, can we just 1279 01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:18,870 stick with a A player until it's apparent that it's just not 1280 01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:21,270 working? You know, I get really worried 1281 01:08:21,270 --> 01:08:22,990 about that and maybe I shouldn't. 1282 01:08:22,990 --> 01:08:25,510 I mean, Ohio State's going to play two quarterbacks against us 1283 01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:26,990 on Saturday and they're Ohio State. 1284 01:08:26,990 --> 01:08:30,189 So, you know, maybe that's just my personal opinion. 1285 01:08:30,189 --> 01:08:34,069 But I I, you know, I really want like a quarterback to just play. 1286 01:08:34,109 --> 01:08:37,710 And you know, every they're not going to succeed if in the back 1287 01:08:37,710 --> 01:08:40,670 of their head they're thinking about, you know, getting benched 1288 01:08:41,390 --> 01:08:42,750 every time they feel an interception. 1289 01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:46,670 You know, I mean. Injuries have been a huge factor 1290 01:08:46,670 --> 01:08:51,229 with without you quarterbacks, but ultimately, I mean you can 1291 01:08:51,229 --> 01:08:55,109 go back to the Richard, Lego Payton, Ramsey season when you 1292 01:08:55,109 --> 01:08:57,710 know you you had a starter and then you didn't have a starter 1293 01:08:57,710 --> 01:08:59,750 and then you went back. I mean it was, it was it wasn't 1294 01:08:59,750 --> 01:09:03,029 healthy and that was that. That season kind of deserves a 1295 01:09:03,029 --> 01:09:06,029 lot of closer scrutiny in terms of how it was handled because I 1296 01:09:06,029 --> 01:09:07,870 don't think it was handled particularly well. 1297 01:09:08,350 --> 01:09:11,790 And and even I mean you know the the injuries kind of masked a 1298 01:09:11,790 --> 01:09:14,590 lot of the back and forth that Indiana's dealt with even with 1299 01:09:14,590 --> 01:09:18,950 like the Ramsey penic situation. And so it is it is a weird 1300 01:09:19,350 --> 01:09:23,390 history with I U quarterbacks under Allen and and really even 1301 01:09:23,390 --> 01:09:25,710 before that if you can go back to the Wilson era it's a similar 1302 01:09:25,710 --> 01:09:28,630 thing I'm with you. Some stability at the most 1303 01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:30,790 important position would be great. 1304 01:09:30,830 --> 01:09:34,600 And look, injuries do happen. Many of those injuries have been 1305 01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,880 because of bad offensive you know, so it's like getting that 1306 01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,240 stabilized allows some of these other things to happen. 1307 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:45,279 And I I share your sentiment that if if I use going to make a 1308 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,359 decision that the one thing I don't want to see honestly is 1309 01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:53,840 you know you're you're if you're going to start a guy only to not 1310 01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,280 start the guy shortly after because you've got another plan. 1311 01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,240 I really think that's a poor idea. 1312 01:10:00,750 --> 01:10:03,190 It is. It is very much in line with 1313 01:10:03,190 --> 01:10:07,510 what we've seen out. I mean we saw it in 2021, like 1314 01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:10,750 we saw Panics wasn't ready. They should have started Tuttle, 1315 01:10:10,750 --> 01:10:13,310 even though Tuttle was clearly not the best option. 1316 01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:16,750 But it would have been a better decision than putting 1/2 ready 1317 01:10:16,750 --> 01:10:19,750 guy physically out there to deal with the situation. 1318 01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:23,430 And I I just sometimes I feel like and this goes back to your, 1319 01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:26,110 you know, the Tom Allen kind of, you know, being clever on 1320 01:10:26,110 --> 01:10:27,590 things. I feel like sometimes they get 1321 01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:29,960 too clever. With these decisions, without 1322 01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,720 thinking about the longerterm ramifications of how it's going 1323 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,560 to play out. And I don't. 1324 01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,120 I mean, again, we're all just playing armchair psychologist 1325 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,240 here, but all we can do is look at the results. 1326 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,640 And the results have not borne out the decision making process 1327 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,640 for a lot of the last couple of years. 1328 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,640 Yeah, you know, it would have been great if they named a 1329 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,980 quarterback and create a little hype around it, you know? 1330 01:10:52,020 --> 01:10:54,820 But I guess Tom doesn't care about the Hyatt. 1331 01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:58,300 We're not. Ohio State's probably just fine 1332 01:10:58,300 --> 01:11:00,260 watching high school film on growth of these guys. 1333 01:11:01,980 --> 01:11:05,020 So yeah, well, hopefully one performs. 1334 01:11:05,140 --> 01:11:07,300 We'll see what happens and and Teddy, we'll have you. 1335 01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:10,180 On a little bit later on in the in the season, because I think 1336 01:11:10,180 --> 01:11:12,540 it's going to be a really fascinating year. 1337 01:11:12,820 --> 01:11:15,560 We're going to learn. Not that much the first two 1338 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,440 weeks and then we're going to learn a lot in a very short 1339 01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:20,040 period of time. And then you know by, you know 1340 01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,880 it's it's funny because it's like the season will be half 1341 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,880 over real fast. And I am really fascinated to 1342 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,000 see where Indiana sits at that point and what we've learned and 1343 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,000 and where where some of these questions that we've asked today 1344 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,080 start to get answered in terms of what to expect on a 1345 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,070 weekbyweek basis. Yeah. 1346 01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:40,230 And then you know they have an early bye week this year. 1347 01:11:40,910 --> 01:11:44,030 So you know that that Michigan game is kind of where I'm 1348 01:11:44,350 --> 01:11:47,270 looking at a, you know, potential Dexter Williams 1349 01:11:47,670 --> 01:11:51,830 dresses situation. And so if you know it doesn't go 1350 01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:54,790 that well these first couple weeks, it's kind of a whole new 1351 01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:57,470 season starting then and it's kind of how I would read it. 1352 01:11:58,630 --> 01:12:00,310 Well, Teddy Bailey, thank you for. 1353 01:12:00,310 --> 01:12:03,230 Joining us as always a great pleasure and great to talk to 1354 01:12:03,230 --> 01:12:05,160 you my friend. Yeah, you too. 1355 01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,400 I will see you on Saturday. Yeah, absolutely. 1356 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,200 Thanks to all you folks for. 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