1 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,800 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:21,360 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cask Ale 3 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,960 and Clavio. Joining you solo today, it's 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,840 Black Friday, the 24th of November. 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,640 As we are fully into feast week, we're fully into all the 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,400 football I just watched. Maybe the worst football game of 7 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:40,080 the year is Iowa. Took out Nebraska and gave the 8 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,360 Big 10 W the championship. Send off that it. 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,680 Deserves, which is crap. That's been a crap division 10 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,480 since they launched it. Basically, and it's only fitting 11 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,440 that they're. Sending a team to the Big 10 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,960 title game that cannot score, cannot move. 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,280 The ball basically just lives it. 14 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,360 Iowa 's almost like they're. They're like a a, like a vulture 15 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:09,040 or some kind of. Scavenger bird that just relies 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,480 on roadkill as its primary source of nutrients. 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:13,760 That's. Really how I I think. 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,720 That they seem to. Operate whoever they play in the 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,080 Big Ten title game. Michigan. 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,840 Ohio State. I would be shocked if that team 21 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,960 didn't win by. At least 35 points, so get your 22 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:27,360 bets in now, folks. Anyway. 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,800 We're not here to talk about Iowa, but I'm still kind of. 24 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,680 I feel dirty having watched that game versus. 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,240 Nebraska, 'cause that was truly a disgusting exhibition of 26 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,640 football. Anyway, we're going to talk. 27 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:40,720 About the old Oak and Bucket game. 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,240 So we may not have a whole lot of room to talk here per SE. 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,080 But before we get to that couple of notes. 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,920 First of all, you've heard me talk about it before, but I we 31 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,520 are Crimson cast is is on sub stack now and you're. 32 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,120 Probably like what is sub stack? Why does he keep talking about 33 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,280 this and as I've said? 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These are two teams that have 88 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,600 not had good seasons. You know about Indiana's season, 89 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:50,960 and Indiana continues to cap things off this year with just 90 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,000 some. Truly remarkable ways to lose. 91 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,720 We saw another. Remarkable way to lose Last 92 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,480 week, they take on a Purdue team that just has not been good from 93 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,160 the beginning of the. Year you know Purdue was. 94 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,960 Some people were looking at Purdue and saying this could be 95 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,360 a bowl team. This could be a team that. 96 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,360 You know, really kind of figures out a a a better way of playing 97 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,440 offense than they had last year. And it's interesting because you 98 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,240 know. Last year, of course, Purdue 99 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,880 kind of backed their way into the Big 10 title game. 100 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,320 And yeah, I mean, they weren't great, but they didn't get 101 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,800 smooshed against Michigan. They lost 43 to 22. 102 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,920 But you know, that was a team that. 103 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,800 Their losses last year, you know they had a kind of. 104 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,360 Inexplicable loss at Syracuse. But you know, they. 105 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,280 And then they lost to what? Penn State and Wisconsin and 106 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:40,160 Iowa. But they won all the. 107 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,400 Games that they should have won, including a bunch of games on 108 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,960 the road and that included a game at Indiana to close the 109 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,520 season last year. They did end up getting 110 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,360 absolutely smooshed in the bowl game. 111 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,120 Versus LSU last year. This year has not gone that way, 112 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,640 you know? And obviously, Jeff Brom leaves, 113 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:00,520 goes and becomes the head. Coach at Louisville? 114 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,720 That didn't help. They hire an unproven first time 115 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,520 head coach and Ryan Walters and a lot of people. 116 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,080 Like Ryan Walters, but they have not. 117 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,920 Played particularly well, and it's been just such a bizarre 118 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,640 kind of uneven season for Purdue. 119 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:15,840 If you haven't been keeping up, they. 120 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:20,400 Started off the year they lose at home by 4:00 to Fresno State 121 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,480 they put 35. Points up on the board and 122 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,560 everybody's like, oh, this offense might be pretty good. 123 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,160 They beat Virginia Tech on the. Road the following week and that 124 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,400 was there was a. Deluge that day, people were 125 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,000 kind of. I think that there was like that 126 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,000 was the team we were looking for, but then they lose at home 127 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,400 by 15. To Syracuse. 128 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,560 And that Really set them on a pathway. 129 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,800 Where they just lost a bunch of games and couldn't score in the 130 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,560 process. They scored twenty in that game 131 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:45,600 versus. Syracuse. 132 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,720 They scored seventeen in a loss to Wisconsin at home. 133 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,680 And I mean, even Indiana beat Wisconsin at home. 134 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,160 They did score in a huge amount of points against Illinois on 135 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,360 the road they they beat Illinois 44 to 19, which that was 136 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,200 surprising in and of itself. But then they turned around and 137 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,320 had consecutive 4 consecutive games in a row that they lost 138 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,880 and they scored fourteen points, seven points, 14 points and 13 139 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,240 points. Now good teams and and for the 140 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,880 most part there, they lose to Iowa. 141 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,200 On the road and 14 points. Against Iowa, I guess is is 142 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,240 pretty, you know, that's that's not terrible. 143 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,000 But then, seven points against Ohio State at home. 144 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,280 Fort they lose 31 to 14 at Nebraska. 145 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,240 I don't know how. I mean, having just watched that 146 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,360 Nebraska team, I don't know how anybody let's that team score 31 147 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,920 points and only scores 14. If you have a functional 148 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:40,160 offense, then they lose 4113 at Michigan, then they turn. 149 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:45,280 Around and just like run all over Minnesota, they win that 150 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,080 game 49 to 30. Then they lose their starting 151 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,080 quarterback. Hudson Card and they lose 23 to 152 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,600 15 at Northwestern, so no chance at a bowl for Purdue. 153 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,440 And they've had just kind of an odd year. 154 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,400 From a statistical perspective, they have not been very good in 155 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:10,720 the air. 22159 yards, 59.5% completion percentage and 12 156 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,760 touchdowns. 10 interceptions. Not too terribly different from 157 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,480 Indiana in terms of just. Like the lack of productivity 158 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,080 there. Rushing wise they had been 159 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,360 pretty good. 18151 yards rushing, 19 touchdowns. 160 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,880 Devin Mockabee has been kind of their primary back. 161 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,880 He's averaging basically 5 yards of carry. 162 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,080 He's got 6 touchdowns on the season. 163 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,080 Tyrone Tracy Junior Averaging 6 1/2 yards of carry and eight 164 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,120 touchdowns. And Hudson Kard's been able to 165 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,440 use his legs a little bit as well. 166 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,240 He's got 4 touchdowns on the season. 167 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:47,840 Receiving wise, this is a team that's kind of spread their 168 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,000 targeting out. They're lead in receiving both 169 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,680 yardage and receptions by sophomore Deon Burks. 7 170 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:57,680 touchdowns for him, 40 catches, 542 yards. 171 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,920 TJ Sheffield, the senior with 32 catches and then Abdur Rahman 172 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,960 Yasin with 25 catches for 329 yards. 173 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,480 But he's only played in six games so far this season and 174 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,040 hasn't really. He's been injured basically 175 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,720 since the Iowa game, so they've had to. 176 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,600 Find other people to play in his place and so. 177 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,080 You look at this Purdue team and statistically. 178 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,200 Like you look at the overall numbers, they're not much better 179 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,840 than Indiana. This is actually a pretty even 180 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,520 game according to S&P Plus. Purdue projected as a 181 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,440 three-point favorite in this one over Indiana and a 55% favorite 182 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:38,800 overall. You. 183 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,400 You look at the numbers a little more up close and it's 184 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,040 interesting because Purdue's offense has really let them down 185 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,040 throughout the. Course of the year, although not 186 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,680 to the degree that Indiana's offense has let it down and. 187 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,880 That, you know, it's close, but Indiana's offense has been kind 188 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,200 of marginally worse. Overall. 189 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,000 Indiana's offense has been better in the passing game. 190 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,680 They've kind of climbed their way up to the point over these 191 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:08,800 last few weeks where they're passing success is. 192 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,480 You know, Top 55, Top 60 in the nation. 193 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,640 Purdue is not really over. The course of the season had a 194 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,080 lot of success in the passing game, as we mentioned, but they 195 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,840 have had a lot of success on the ground where Indiana has not. 196 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,640 Purdue Top 50 in the nation and rushing success you. 197 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,440 Know Purdue's really struggled, as is Indiana with scoring. 198 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:33,200 They just they have not scored. On a lot of drives, Indiana only 199 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:38,000 1.5 points per drive. This season Purdue only 1.7. 200 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,440 Three. Both of those are really bad 201 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:44,680 numbers turnover wise. Indiana, actually, you know. 202 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,160 I mean, if you look at straight up numbers, has been better than 203 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,840 Purdue, but Indiana's turned the ball over 15 times. 204 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:55,120 Produce turned the ball over 18 times and explosiveness. 205 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:58,360 Both of these teams are not very explosive, just not a lot of big 206 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:59,840 plays. Like they're almost equal. 207 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Indiana's like slightly ahead of Purdue and I think they have to 208 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,880 go out to like the 5th decimal point to. 209 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,480 Get there. So you look at these two 210 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,800 offenses and they're just, they're just not good and and 211 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,240 there's different reasons for that, I mean. 212 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,200 Purdue trying to install a brand new offensive approach and 213 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,720 they've got the former Texas Tech quarterback Graham Harrell 214 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,880 as their offensive coordinator. Ryan Walters defense has been 215 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,040 better than Tom Allen's defense or Matt Guerrero defense, 216 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,320 whoever we're giving credit or blame to this week. 217 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:37,600 You know, Purdue's defense has been kind of, they've been sub 218 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,640 median, but they they haven't been like ridiculously bad, 219 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,320 whereas Indiana's defense has been ridiculously bad, 220 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,240 especially in the last couple of weeks. 221 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,400 And what's interesting is that. You know, Purdue's defense has 222 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,960 actually been pretty good at limiting opponents to success in 223 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,760 passing and rushing where they've been at their. 224 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:59,040 Worst is they've, you know, allowed teams to score when 225 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,520 they're in position. To do so, and they've. 226 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,920 Allowed a lot of explosive plays, which unfortunately 227 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,920 Indiana generally hasn't been able to capitalize on. 228 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,520 Indiana has not. Really allowed a lot of 229 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,000 explosive plays, but they've allowed teams a lot of 230 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,520 consistent kind of drives down the field and overall success 231 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:22,160 there. Indiana's defense has not. 232 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,920 I mean, they've got they've generated 2 fewer turnovers than 233 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,960 Purdue. It's kind of a wash as far as 234 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,080 that's concerned. One thing Indiana has done 235 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,680 pretty well is they have had a lot of success defensively on 236 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:35,840 3rd downs but and Purdue has not. 237 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,720 Like Purdue has tended to allow their opponents to stay on the 238 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,520 field. The problem for Indiana is more 239 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,240 that they haven't had a lot of success on first or second 240 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,040 downs, so they haven't gotten into as many third down 241 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,640 situations as as Purdue's defense has. 242 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:53,360 So overall, again, these teams are pretty close according to 243 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:54,920 S&P. Plus, they're not as close 244 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,680 according to FEI, which is another metric. 245 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,240 FEI likes Purdue a lot more, doesn't love them, but but 246 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:07,280 certainly likes them by about an order of magnitude more than 247 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,000 they like. The Hoosiers. 248 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,680 So you look across the board at these two teams there, there's 249 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:16,640 just this is. Not going to be an aesthetically 250 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,520 pleasing game. It's either going to be a game 251 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,960 where the defenses collapse or the offenses collapse. 252 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,120 I feel pretty confident that like some aspect of the game. 253 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,160 Will be unwatchable overall for just a neutral observer who 254 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,160 wants to come in and watch a good football game like you're 255 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,560 just not going to see. That probably out of these two 256 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:37,080 teams, that doesn't mean that it's not going to be a 257 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,480 competitive game. It doesn't mean that it can't be 258 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,560 a high scoring game. As we saw last week for Indiana 259 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:45,120 as they played Michigan State, I mean that you know that while 260 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,560 that wasn't a per Southeast high scoring game, it I think it had 261 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:49,960 more scoring than a lot of people. 262 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,960 Thought that it would. And, you know, 2421. 263 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,280 That might not seem like a lot, but that was seven more points 264 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,920 than Michigan State had been scoring on average throughout 265 00:13:58,920 --> 00:13:59,960 the course of the. Season. 266 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:01,920 Both of these teams have had trouble. 267 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:07,560 Moving the ball, Indiana 21 points per game on the season 268 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:12,040 and Purdue 23 points per game scored on the season. 269 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,080 Purdue allowing 30 points per game. 270 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,040 Indiana allowing 30 points per game. 271 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,840 So this is the big question. Will the offenses be so bad that 272 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,120 they can't take? Advantage of the defenses being 273 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,280 bad for either of these teams and I think the big question 274 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,120 right now. Is What's the motivation for 275 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,640 these different teams? You know what is the motivation 276 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,760 for Purdue? They're obviously not going to a 277 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,480 bowl. That they're not in contention 278 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,880 to get a five and seven like APR. 279 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,360 Bowl they're going to get Hudson Card back, I'm assuming. 280 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,640 He's going to play to close out the season and you know that's a 281 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,080 bit of a problem for Indiana because you can just go back a 282 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,120 couple of weeks and look. At what Card and and Purdue did 283 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,800 against Minnesota and it's like well that. 284 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,880 That could really be a problem for Indiana. 285 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,520 Especially with how bad their secondary has looked. 286 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,600 Over the cat past couple of weeks. 287 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,640 But it the the same occurs on the other. 288 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,520 Side I mean, Indiana has looked marginally better on offense 289 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,080 under Rod Carey. They've been able to do a few 290 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,960 more things. What will that look like as they 291 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:22,400 move forward in this game and? How excited will Indiana be? 292 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,520 How excited? Will Purdue be? 293 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,840 About defending in this game, It's really kind of. 294 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,080 An an open. Question I think. 295 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:34,520 Across the board, and a lot of it is, I think, probably 296 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,080 unknowable until the game starts. 297 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,960 You know, I would probably anticipate that. 298 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,000 Especially when you fitly. Look at the weather. 299 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,120 Forecast for this game, you know, going up to West 300 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,840 Lafayette. Is always kind of a a a 301 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,120 crapshoot. In terms of weather in late 302 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:58,280 November, but right now the forecast for this game if you go 303 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:03,760 up to. To Saturday looks like. 41° And 304 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,960 there's going to be snow late, but after after the game. 305 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,320 But not a particularly warm game, a low of. 24 but. 306 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,320 Also, I mean it's it's the wind isn't going to be. 307 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,600 Too terribly bad the wind's going to die down a little bit 308 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,520 from where it is today. Up there, so you know not. 309 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,280 Awful conditions and AND probably not one of those. 310 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,360 Where you stop giving effort or anything because the weather is 311 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,000 bad. But I do really. 312 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,280 I do really wonder where the motivation is going to be for 313 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,600 both of these teams, I think for. 314 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,600 You know, I if I had to put a bet on it right now. 315 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,000 I would probably say that Ryan Walters and Purdue are going to 316 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,000 have more motivation here this. Is Ryan Walters first year? 317 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,640 It hasn't gone well, but Ryan. Walters going to. 318 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,280 Be there for at least another couple of seasons and you know, 319 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,880 it's easy, I think. To get a team fired up. 320 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,320 For a first year coach who's like, you know, look guys, we've 321 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,880 had a lot of adversity, but we're starting to really start, 322 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,960 you know play our style of football. 323 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,200 You know, we we showed a lot of promise two weeks ago at home. 324 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,160 When we beat Minnesota, let's. Finish this season off. 325 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,040 On a really good note, and let's. 326 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,079 Put ourselves in a position as we go into the offseason where 327 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:13,800 we. Feel good about what we're doing 328 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,040 in the direction that we're headed. 329 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:17,240 I don't know if you can really do that. 330 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,400 If you're Tom Allen in Indiana, you know we saw. 331 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,720 Last year, Indiana seemed like they were closing on a fairly 332 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,920 positive note, all things considered. 333 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,000 They look like they kind of figured. 334 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,960 Out some of the problems that they were dealing with on 335 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,960 offense. They were coming off. 336 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,720 A big win against Michigan. State where they had. 337 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,040 You know they. Pulled it out in overtime. 338 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,280 You know that they they hadn't completely given up the. 339 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,280 Ghost this year has. Been just so frustrating for 340 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,840 this IU team and. Yes, they did beat Wisconsin a 341 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,000 few weeks ago, but now they've had back-to-back. 342 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,840 Games where their defenses just collapsed, their secondary's 343 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,760 collapsed. You know both of. 344 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,280 Those games were literally like 4 hour games that I think 5 345 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,200 minutes and 3 minutes respectively shy of being 4 hour 346 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,880 game. So they played long. 347 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,600 Games that have ended up ending in incredibly frustrating ways 348 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,160 and. It just feels like IU under Tom 349 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,240 Allen right now. Is is just rudderless that they 350 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,040 don't seem to have a direction they don't seem to. 351 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,240 Have a lot of purpose. They're they you know the 352 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,400 offense has played better at times hasn't played all the time 353 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,040 better. But to watch the defense 354 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,680 struggle the way that? It has after it had been 355 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,280 playing. Fairly well for a decent part of 356 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,240 the season. That's a really tough row to hoe 357 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,560 I think, for this IU team in terms of motivation. 358 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,080 And I think you've also got to look. 359 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,600 At it and say you know Allen has has just. 360 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,320 Not been able over the. Course of the last three seasons 361 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,000 to get his team motivated to play games in the Big 10 even 362 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,240 against. Mid level or or lower tier 363 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,280 competition, which pretty definitely is, you know that. 364 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:02,160 You've seen the statistics. IU is is They've three wins 365 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,280 right now in their last three big 10 seasons. 366 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,440 They're 3 and 23, and if they lose this game, they're going to 367 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,560 be 3 and 24. Over the course of the last 368 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,520 three seasons in the Big 10. That's going to be real hard for 369 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,240 players. To get excited about playing in 370 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,800 in that sort of circumstance, in that situation. 371 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,560 Because you just feel like nothing's gone, right? 372 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,880 Nothing's gone your way. And you know the. 373 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,840 The idea that you're playing for the old oaken bucket, I think 374 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,120 that might. Help a little bit, but this is 375 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,280 where the big question mark comes in that was raised. 376 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,800 A couple of weeks ago, I think by Taylor Lehman, but also. 377 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,720 We've we've talked. Scott and I have talked. 378 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,480 About it as well, you know IU has been so transfer heavy, 379 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,440 especially on defense and now we're starting to see. 380 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,320 The defense really fall off and. You know, we talked about that a 381 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,520 couple of weeks ago. It's like, you know, will this 382 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:58,320 defense that doesn't have a lot of lifelong Hoosiers, Will they 383 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,920 really? Be able to keep the intensity. 384 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,320 Up once the promise of a bowl is completely. 385 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,800 Gone. And it's been gone now for a 386 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,600 couple of weeks and you go up against the Purdue team. 387 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,720 That while they don't have the opportunity to go to a bowl. 388 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,800 Either, Purdue, at least, feels. Like they've, you know, with 389 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,160 that Minnesota game A couple of weeks ago, they've shown that 390 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,040 they can rise. To the occasion, particularly 391 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,120 offensively. And you know that you know 392 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:28,480 Purdue's going to be loaded. For Bear, their their fans 393 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,360 haven't had a lot to cheer for. This year probably won't be a 394 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,280 full. Stadium, but I don't see a lot 395 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,320 of IU fans. Traveling for this, I mean, I've 396 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,800 been to Ross Aiden Games where they've been, you know, like a 397 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,680 70, 30 or a 6040 split where IU. Fans have made-up A. 398 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,880 A sizable minority of the crowd. I have a real hard. 399 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,400 Time seeing IU fans traveling to watch this team. 400 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:55,440 There's been just zero. Buzz around this game this week, 401 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,600 and it's a real shame because this is. 402 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,240 It's a fun little rivalry when either of the teams is good, 403 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,000 even if both of them aren't because we've seen over the 404 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,480 course of. Of time. 405 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,800 There's so many times you've seen the underdog able to to 406 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,920 come in. And and figure out a way to 407 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,840 beat. The team that's that's been 408 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,280 better for the course of the season and you know it. 409 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,200 Almost happened to Indiana back in 2019, when you know Purdue 410 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,480 was not. Having the greatest of years and 411 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,360 they ended up, you know, really struggling. 412 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:29,000 In that game, had to go to double overtime. 413 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,400 And you know, eventually picked up the victory. 414 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,720 But. You know, that's the kind of 415 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,400 game that you will sometimes get in these contests where you know 416 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,600 even. I think that that year Purdue 417 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,480 was four and. Seven. 418 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,320 They had nothing to play for and they, you know, they they. 419 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,200 Came real close to to knocking Indiana off in that one in 420 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,680 overtime. So I just with this one, with 421 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,400 both of these teams being bad and with the struggles that Tom 422 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,320 Allen and his coaching staff have frankly had in getting 423 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,840 their team up to play. Anybody in the Big 10 over the 424 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,320 course of the last. Three years. 425 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,320 It's hard for me. To look at this game and say, Oh 426 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,440 yeah, Indiana's going to figure out a way to. 427 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,600 Bring the fire and bring the intensity needed to beat a 428 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,320 Purdue team. That hasn't been good, but. 429 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,240 Certainly has been no worse. Than Indiana and at times has 430 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,920 probably been slightly better, but I mean Purdue's. 431 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,280 Got one more? Conference win this year than. 432 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:32,080 Indiana's got and it's. It's just kind of an odd 433 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,560 situation right now where you if if the game was in Bloomington, 434 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,720 maybe you could look at it a little differently. 435 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,000 But it's at Ross Aid and Purdue has won both of their big. 10 436 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,320 games and scored a lot of points in those big 10. 437 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,840 Games at Ross Aid the. Illinois win 44 to 19 back at 438 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,920 the end of September and the Minnesota win 49 to 30 a couple 439 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,640 of weeks. Ago also in Ross Aid. 440 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,520 So all that to say, you know, it's. 441 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,120 Certainly possible that Indiana could figure out a way to win 442 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,920 this. Purdue is not that good. 443 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,160 And you know, I think if Indiana is going to win, it's going to 444 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:15,000 really rely on figuring out a way to leverage the passing game 445 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,480 effectively. Throughout the course of the 446 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,000 contest, I think Indiana. Running against this Purdue team 447 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,280 is not likely, and that's not the strength of Indiana anyway. 448 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,720 And while the running game has gotten better, it's still not 449 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,040 good as much as I've liked. Out of Trent Howland, especially 450 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,280 over the course of the last couple. 451 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,200 Of games you know, Indiana just doesn't seem to be able to block 452 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,280 consistently enough to to make a go of it. 453 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,360 Offensively in the running attack and so they've really had 454 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:46,080 to use. The passing attack to set that 455 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,600 up, which I'm glad they. Finally started doing that. 456 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,760 That's something we talked about. 457 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,760 For most of the season, and it seems like they finally open 458 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,000 their eyes to that over the course of the last few weeks. 459 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,280 But it hasn't quite been. Enough. 460 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,000 And the way that Indiana's been handling their. 461 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,640 Passing attack frankly has me a bit nervous because they. 462 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,160 They just don't seem to be consistent. 463 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,440 In what they're trying to do, you know, Scott and Taylor 464 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,960 talked about this in the Post Game Reaction podcast to that 465 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,120 Michigan State game. But, you know, it was great. 466 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,680 In that game to watch Indiana try to use the. 467 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,400 Passing attack more consistently. 468 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,520 To get the ball down the field. The problem was that you know, 469 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,040 they they. Really didn't target Donovan 470 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,400 Mccully nearly enough. And Mccully's been such a key. 471 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,400 Player for them in terms of, you know, there's just so few 472 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,720 players. That can do what, Donovan? 473 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,080 Mccully can do he's he's so physically imposing. 474 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,600 He had, you know. 24 yards per catch. 475 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,880 In that Michigan State game, but only caught the ball 3. 476 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,080 Times. And it's like you got to get the 477 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,440 ball out to that player more. That you cannot have a situation 478 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,680 where you're throwing the ball primarily to. 479 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,280 Dequese Carter and EJ Williams. You know that's that's an an 480 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,320 advantage. You've got to figure out how to 481 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,560 take better. Advantage. 482 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,080 Of and so I think a lot of it's. Going to really depend on that 483 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,040 now. I did like some of the wrinkles 484 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,760 that they threw in. Last week in terms of getting. 485 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,760 The tight ends involved Trey Walker. 486 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,880 Caught a touchdown pass. James Bamba caught a touchdown 487 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,600 pass, if it felt like one of those. 488 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,320 Seasons. Where tight ends just didn't. 489 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,520 Exist on the roster so for Indiana to finally. 490 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,800 Fold the tight ends in. Use them in the red. 491 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:31,000 Zone, that was encouraging. But the problem is I just I've 492 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,560 yet. To see the consistency from 493 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,920 Indiana that would indicate, Oh yeah, this is what. 494 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,400 They're going to now do. They don't, really. 495 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,920 Have an identity and. We keep coming back to. 496 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,000 That on the, on the. Show we keep coming back to 497 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,440 that. You can read that. 498 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,680 I think the people that are. That understand. 499 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,520 What's been going on with this Indiana team? 500 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,800 They've pointed it out. It's it's just very much a a 501 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,520 dice. Roll what Indiana will do 502 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,120 offensively. Game to game and so. 503 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,720 That's that's. Kind of the big thing. 504 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,000 For me, it's like how how effective is the passing game 505 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,440 early and how well can Indiana continue to add wrinkles so that 506 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,640 they're not giving Purdue a clear sense. 507 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,600 Of what needs to be stopped because I think Purdue is 508 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,560 certainly. Capable of stopping it and 509 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,120 that's that's going to be to me the big question mark the other 510 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:24,880 issue. Obviously, is Indiana secondary 511 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,360 defensively if Hudson Card is able to get a rhythm? 512 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,640 And start getting it out to receivers. 513 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,640 I really do worry about how. Indiana will be able to handle 514 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,560 that. And then, if Indiana has to 515 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,280 start dropping additional defenders back in past coverage. 516 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,640 That's going to make it very hard to stop Devin Mockaby and 517 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,120 the Purdue rushing attack. So all told with this. 518 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:55,120 One, I'm going to pick Purdue. I think Purdue is probably 519 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,560 closer to the FBI. Projection of an 8 point margin 520 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,920 of victory than the S&P plus projection of three. 521 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,320 So I'm going to say Purdue probably wins this. 522 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,320 It's probably a little higher. Scoring than what? 523 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,800 You might think, I'll say. Purdue wins this one like 31 to 524 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,280 21 I think A. Bit somewhere in that 7 to 10 525 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:24,440 point range makes sense and you know I I think both teams will 526 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,240 have a little bit of early. Success. 527 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,520 I think Purdue will probably adapt a bit better. 528 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,920 Down the stretch. And and that'll end up being. 529 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,680 The margin of victory so. Hopefully I'm wrong. 530 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,480 It would be a shame to lose more ground in the Indiana Purdue 531 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,920 series. Obviously, you know the problem. 532 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,760 The problem with the old Oak and Bucket series, You know they 533 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,800 always. They'll bring the bucket out and 534 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,240 they'll they'll show the records. 535 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,720 And it's like, man, Indiana lost so much ground to Purdue. 536 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,440 In the early days in the 30s forties. 537 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,600 And 50s and that, they've never, they're never really going to 538 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,680 recover from that. They've. 539 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,040 Had a couple of nice stretches, including one not too long ago 540 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,920 when. Indiana won a bunch of games in 541 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,240 a row against Purdue. In the Kevin Wilson era, but 542 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,720 this is. I don't think the team. 543 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,800 That snaps the two game losing streak that Indiana's currently 544 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,760 got to Purdue. And unfortunately, this probably 545 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,120 consigns IU to a three and nine record and allows Purdue to 546 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,720 finish. At 4:00 and 8:00 with three of 547 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,320 those wins. Coming in conference. 548 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,480 So hopefully I'm wrong. But that's where. 549 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:33,280 My prediction is right now we will talk more about IU we'll. 550 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,040 Certainly have our post game podcast coming up either 551 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,720 Saturday night or Sunday morning. 552 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,000 Probably Sunday morning. And for those who haven't been 553 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,840 around the podcast much before, what we generally. 554 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,080 Do is the Post Game podcast for the last. 555 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,680 Game of the season, which is, of course, Purdue. 556 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,360 And then? If that is the actual last game 557 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,680 of the season as. Opposed to IU going to a bowl, 558 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,320 we will then do our season wrap up podcast normally the like. 559 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,720 Either that night or the following day, we'll probably do 560 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,280 it. Sunday night of this week. 561 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,760 And we'll have a lot to talk about. 562 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,680 Obviously, I mean if if honestly, whether or not Indiana 563 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,080 wins or loses this game. It will be the end of another 564 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,160 very disappointing season for IU football. 565 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,480 IU is either. Going to finish with three or 566 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,480 four. Wins in their last three seasons 567 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,440 in the Big 10. And obviously they lose to 568 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,160 Purdue. That's going to be three wins, 569 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,640 essentially one win per year. Average over the course of the 570 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,360 last three. Seasons and a step backward. 571 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,640 I think clearly from last year when Indiana won two. 572 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,920 Games in conference and you know you you would have hoped that. 573 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,200 Things would have changed or been done that would have put 574 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,400 Indiana in a better position this year and it just hasn't 575 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,920 happened and it's been certainly a frustrating ride for 576 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,080 everybody. I know the players have been 577 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,560 frustrated. I know the coaches have been 578 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,240 frustrated and certainly the. Fans have been incredibly 579 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,040 frustrated. And it's the same things, you 580 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,440 know, it's not just the losses, it's the ways that the losses. 581 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,080 Have happened. Very frustrating kind of thing. 582 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,480 And one of those situations where I think Indiana 583 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,000 ultimately. Is going to have to do a lot of 584 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,120 soul searching. This offseason, Regardless of 585 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,800 what? Happens even if they win. 586 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,040 This game this season was just. Not acceptable on a whole number 587 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,040 of levels and we talked about at the beginning of the year, we 588 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,680 talked about you know what is progress. 589 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,400 And. And where should Indiana be? 590 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,800 And you know just this season has really felt and we'll talk 591 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,720 about. This, obviously on our 592 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,200 postseason. Wrap up pod. 593 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,840 Regardless of what happens, but it really has felt like Indiana 594 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,440 has lost so much ground this season compared to where they 595 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,720 were even last year, where it felt like they were, you know, 596 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,480 there was a little bit of, hey, we're, you know, we're still. 597 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,120 A little bit in the mix with things, but you look at the. 598 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,480 Standings and. You know Indiana, The best they 599 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:07,920 can do at this point is finish in a tie for last place. 600 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:14,600 In the the Big 10 E and the best they can do at this point is 601 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,720 finish tied for the least number of overall conference wins in 602 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,960 the Big 10 right now. Indiana's got one this season. 603 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,680 Purdue's got 2. Michigan. 604 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,200 State's got 2, Nebraska 's got three, so. 605 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,160 You know Michigan State obviously as they close out the. 606 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,160 Season. They've got the the Land Grant 607 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,200 Trophy game against Penn State. They're probably going to lose 608 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,520 that. You know, so the best Indiana 609 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,280 could do would be win this game and that would tie them with 610 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,240 Purdue and Michigan State for the least number of conference 611 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,760 wins this season. That's just not acceptable. 612 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,160 And especially when you think about, you know that OK, maybe 613 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,600 they tie Michigan State and overall record and and 614 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,840 conference record that Michigan State team like they're lucky. 615 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,960 They had a season. They lost their head. 616 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,240 Coach at the. Beginning of the year, it's wild 617 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,680 that. Indiana with you know came in 618 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,120 with a a stable lineup of of coaches and. 619 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,520 Players, maybe not the most. Talent in the Big 10, but a 620 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,760 whole whole. Offseason to get things going. 621 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,440 It's wild that Michigan State with all of the. 622 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,640 Problems that they've had would finish above or at the same. 623 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,080 Level as Indiana, all things considered, and would have the 624 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:24,960 win. Over Indiana. 625 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,800 In Bloomington, you know. Purdue again. 626 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,000 New coach, new situation. They win this game. 627 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,840 They would be two wins clear of Indiana, despite the fact that 628 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,600 the. Rest of their season. 629 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,320 Really went off the rails and then I think the bigger issue is 630 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,200 all you have to do is look up. And you know Maryland and 631 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,680 Rutgers are going to play to close out the. 632 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,800 Season one of those teams is going to be 7 and five and one 633 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,320 of those teams is going to be 6 and six. 634 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,800 One of those teams is going to have four wins in conference. 635 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,720 One of those teams is going to have three. 636 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,400 And it's like that's. The teams you have to be at 637 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,240 least. Tied with, if not ahead of and 638 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,520 Indiana. 'S not going to be. 639 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,040 Again, and it feels like a lot of the damage has been 640 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,680 self-inflicted over the course of this. 641 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,080 Season. So that's the frustrating part 642 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,280 about all of this and certainly that's what we'll be. 643 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,280 Diving into in much greater detail in the podcast where we 644 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,040 wrap up. The. 645 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,400 Season, so be sure to tune in for that. 646 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,200 It's going to be a. Busy weekend overall. 647 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,960 We were going to have, obviously, our post. 648 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,120 Game pod as I mentioned. We're going to have IU. 649 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,240 Basketball playing on Sunday as they take on Harvard. 650 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,920 Up in Indianapolis, we're going to have IU soccer on the road 651 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,920 they travel to Charlottesville to take on the. 652 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,080 Virginia Cavaliers. Big game there, as if. 653 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,680 They win that game that could get them into the quarter 654 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,320 finals. Where they have an outside 655 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,080 chance of possibly even hosting that next game. 656 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,760 Just a lot going on with IU athletics at this. 657 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,760 Point. And so as IU heads into the 658 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,240 first week of Big 10. Season coming up next? 659 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,160 Week is, they'll be. Taking on Maryland and and 660 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,480 Michigan in short order. The The things don't get calmer 661 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,760 for IU. Sports. 662 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,719 And so we'll be here to talk about all of those things. 663 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,159 So be sure to. Stay tuned as we walk you 664 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,040 through all of that. If you got comments or 665 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,480 questions. You can always send them in. 666 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,239 If you go to the sub stack. You can use the chat function. 667 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,800 There. Or you can just tweet them at 668 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,000 us. We're happy to try to. 669 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,120 Respond as they come in anyway, we'll go. 670 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,440 Ahead and wrap up again, Indiana facing Purdue in the old Oaken. 671 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,360 Bucket game. I will say the one last thing 672 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,600 here. The line started in this game at 673 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,080 Purdue -2 1/2. It's at Purdue -5. 674 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,880 And a half now, so. Do with that information what 675 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,560 you will, but normally Vegas has a pretty good. 676 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,480 Idea of what's going on. Behind the scenes, and so I'll 677 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,600 be curious to see. How much that projection ends up 678 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,280 matching reality? I really appreciate you folks 679 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,920 tuning in as always as. We continue to podcast about IU 680 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,680 football. Certainly I don't know if a 681 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,280 labor of love is the right way to to put it, but it's. 682 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:11,560 Certainly a sense of obligation. And duty. 683 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,600 But almost all of that comes from you folks. 684 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,560 Who constantly remind us that you? 685 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,600 Enjoy hearing us talk about IU football? 686 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:21,280 We certainly enjoy. Having some folks like you to 687 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,640 talk about IU football with SO. So thank you for another. 688 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,440 Fun season of talking about the games and the team. 689 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,800 Even if the. Team in the games themselves 690 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,760 have not been that much fun to talk about. 691 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,640 Anyway, that'll wrap it up for us here. 692 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,120 Again, be sure to tune in this weekend as we'll have a recap of 693 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,200 the IU Purdue game. We'll have a recap of the 694 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,080 football. Season and we might throw in 695 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,920 some basketball talk as well as we. 696 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,360 Look at what happened with Indiana versus Harvard, thanks 697 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,880 to our sponsors at the home field. 698 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,040 Network and folks will catch you on the flip side. 699 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,720 Bring back the bison so. Everybody.