1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,900 You're listening to the back home network presented by home 2 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:19,700 field apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cask ale 3 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:23,000 and Flavio Scott Caulfield joining you here as it is 4 00:00:23,100 --> 00:00:27,300 basketball season, it is the 23rd of October and by the end 5 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:31,800 of this week, we will have a Exhibition game under our 6 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,300 Collective belts for IU, men's basketball, and certainly 7 00:00:36,300 --> 00:00:37,800 women's basketball getting started up as well. 8 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,100 I would like to point you all towards a new podcast, it's not 9 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:43,300 technically new because it really got started last year 10 00:00:43,300 --> 00:00:47,300 called do the work that's being hosted by Cathy Jamison Jeff, 11 00:00:47,300 --> 00:00:49,900 Marlo. That's taking place within the 12 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:52,300 back home network infrastructure, go find them on 13 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:55,000 Twitter, go subscribe to them as they're tackling women's 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,600 basketball on a regular basis. Also some good women's podcasts. 15 00:00:58,300 --> 00:01:01,000 Through the IU student media network will be talking about 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,900 those podcasts as we go through the season as well, maybe have 17 00:01:03,900 --> 00:01:05,800 those folks on. But today, we're going to talk, 18 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,600 I you, men's basketball. We haven't done a full-on kind 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,200 of preseason pod, yet. Both of us have been traveling 20 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,600 Scott. It's good to see you in these 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,700 circumstances as we are both definitely ready for basketball 22 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:22,800 season to begin. I think not just because of some 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,400 disappointments elsewhere in the IU Athletics constellation, but 24 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:32,000 legitimately This is an exciting beginning to the season and it 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,400 is one of those Seasons that, you know, maybe it doesn't live 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,700 up to expectations, maybe it exceeds expectations. 27 00:01:37,700 --> 00:01:40,100 We don't know. But it does feel like the floor 28 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:44,500 is a bit higher and Scott, we haven't had those in a while, 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:46,800 you know. We, I feel like we've been 30 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,900 living in purgatory to some degree as far as pre-seasons, go 31 00:01:51,300 --> 00:01:56,500 really since 2013 and, you know, so it's been a decade, but I 32 00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:59,700 feel like I you Comes into this season and the fans and the 33 00:01:59,708 --> 00:02:02,400 podcasters and everybody covering it comes into this 34 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:08,000 season with a realistic reason for optimism in terms of the 35 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,100 assembled talent and the relative expectations of IU 36 00:02:11,100 --> 00:02:12,900 compared to other folks. So I'm excited. 37 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:15,500 How are you doing? I'm doing great. 38 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:17,100 I'm a couple thoughts on that first off. 39 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:18,900 I was gone last week and I missed. 40 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:21,300 I love the Ken. Palm drop scheduled. 41 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:23,200 Oh, yeah. Like, I've been looking for that 42 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,900 and like reloading that page over and over again, and it's 43 00:02:26,900 --> 00:02:29,600 the best, you know, whatever 20 bucks a year, you'll spend like 44 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,800 the amount of information on the can Palm page is ridiculous. 45 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,500 But you look at Indiana's can Palm predictions for the year. 46 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:40,700 It looks good. Like I've not seen a page like 47 00:02:40,700 --> 00:02:43,500 this is this reminds me of the every year I kind of play 48 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:44,500 around. Ooh, Ken palm. 49 00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:46,500 And look at some of the other Big Ten teams, and this is one 50 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:48,700 of those looks were, it's like a lot of W's. 51 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:52,700 There's only one. Two, one, two, three, five 52 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:54,900 projected losses. I know our projected record is 53 00:02:54,908 --> 00:02:59,100 22 and nine, but of the win-loss has only five projected losses. 54 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:05,200 Based on those results, it looks like a page of other teams like 55 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,100 this is like what I'm used to seeing when I look at like 56 00:03:07,100 --> 00:03:10,400 Michigan State or Michigan or Purdue or you know Alabama or 57 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,200 other other programs. It's nice to see it on our page 58 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,100 been looking at Palm or not projected to lose a game after 59 00:03:16,100 --> 00:03:19,400 the New Year? Well, I guess Iowa, but then we 60 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,700 go on like a 10 game winning streak to them when we lose it, 61 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:24,700 Michigan and other project that's not going to happen. 62 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:26,900 Yes, but I know I know but it's projection. 63 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:30,100 That's nice to see. I love seeing green on these on 64 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:32,200 these. These prediction cheer. 65 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,500 They're not technically green on Kent bomb, but they're green on 66 00:03:34,500 --> 00:03:37,300 other sites. Like for instance, and the thing 67 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:40,100 that I would say is talking to my wife yesterday driving to a 68 00:03:40,100 --> 00:03:43,200 wedding. We kind of did like a my first 69 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,700 preview pause. So this week talking to her 70 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:46,000 about it. She's like a are we gonna be 71 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:46,900 good? Like it sound like we're going 72 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:49,200 to be good. She's she's very into basketball 73 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,300 but kind of checks out and checks back in right around this 74 00:03:51,300 --> 00:03:53,900 time and we were talking and I was you know my feeling is this 75 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:57,400 would be kind of the header is I think we're going to be good 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,500 this year. I think the question is, is 77 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:02,500 there a chance that we're going to be really good or great? 78 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:05,600 And I think that's a fun place to be where we're not just you 79 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,600 know, God can we make an 11 seed tournament? 80 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,000 You know can we eat our way out to 500 in the Big Ten? 81 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,000 It does feel like for this. He's in the floor has been raved 82 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,100 raised where we're going to be good. 83 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:21,600 The question is, are we going to be able to hit the next level 84 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,200 but to me if we're good and we're competing in that top four 85 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,900 in the Big Ten, that's a, for where we've been and where we 86 00:04:28,900 --> 00:04:31,100 need to go. That's a really good season but 87 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:34,200 you will dig into it. There's a lot of lot of reason 88 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,400 for optimism. I think I do think people need 89 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,600 to stay, you know, somewhat reserved until we see some of 90 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,800 this for real on the court against other you know, 91 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,400 competent team. 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There's just a bunch of 124 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:22,200 different, awesome designs. And it's not just football. 125 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:25,100 There's a, just a crapload of basketball stuff in there. 126 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:27,200 So go check it out. Home field apparel.com. 127 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,200 Get yourself suited up as we get started in this upcoming IU, 128 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,700 basketball season. All right Scott. 129 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:37,500 So I'm gonna kind of take an overview of the metrics first. 130 00:06:37,500 --> 00:06:38,900 Yeah. And then I want to talk about 131 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:43,300 the individual players because I'm noticing some themes in. 132 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:49,300 The Discord. Of the Season among fans and on 133 00:06:49,300 --> 00:06:52,800 to certain degrees among media as well, which I think are kind 134 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,600 of missing the point to some degree. 135 00:06:55,500 --> 00:06:57,700 But anyway, we'll get to that. Let's start off with the 136 00:06:57,700 --> 00:06:59,200 metrics. So we're going to ignore 137 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,100 rankings because preseason voting rankings from media 138 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:04,200 members are about as worthless as you can get. 139 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:06,500 So we'll start with Ken Palm, which is the one that 140 00:07:06,500 --> 00:07:11,000 everybody's the most familiar with Indiana comes in 12th in 141 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,100 the country in can Palm to start the season projected and you 142 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:16,800 gotta keep Open mind. How can Palm works? 143 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:20,900 It takes some of the information from last year and then it also 144 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,000 basically tries to project how the team will perform this year, 145 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,900 given the personnel and right now Indiana is projected with 146 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:34,300 the 22nd most efficient offense and the ninth most efficient 147 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:36,200 defense. That's a pretty good combo. 148 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,100 Certainly. There are teams that are in that 149 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:43,800 top 15 or 20 that maybe have both of their their numbers a 150 00:07:43,808 --> 00:07:47,200 little bit higher or Are in the other one kind of in the middle. 151 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,100 But like, comparatively speaking Kansas is projected eighth and 152 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:55,400 they have the 16th projected offensive efficiency, and the 153 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,400 10th projected defensive efficiency, Kentucky is, first 154 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,200 Kentucky, I think will actually be very good this year and then 155 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,700 it goes, Texas, Gonzaga Tennessee, Virginia Baylor, 156 00:08:06,700 --> 00:08:10,500 Houston Kansas, North Carolina, Arizona, UCLA, Indiana. 157 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:14,700 You got to go down to 23rd, to get to the next big 10 team and 158 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:17,800 that's Iowa. You produce 25th Michigan's 159 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,800 26th. Michigan state is 31st, Ohio 160 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,800 State's 32nd. Illinois is 33rd what that 161 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,400 should tell you. Is this going to be a pretty 162 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,100 good Big Ten Conference this year. 163 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,200 A lot of really good teams, not really, not a great team and I 164 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,200 throw Indiana into that. I don't think Indiana is a great 165 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,000 team in terms of what they've got coming back and what their 166 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,500 setup is. But of that whole mix of, you 167 00:08:39,508 --> 00:08:43,200 know, six or seven teams in the top, 35 Indiana is considered in 168 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,300 the preseason to be the best of those. 169 00:08:45,500 --> 00:08:49,000 You go to the other two ratings pages that I like to use bark 170 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,700 torvik.com tour Vic's a great site. 171 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:54,500 It's free for those who don't want to pay the very minimal 172 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:59,100 subscription fee on Ken pom. Very similar Indiana is 11th on 173 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:03,100 torvik 23rd in defensive efficiency projected, excuse me, 174 00:09:03,100 --> 00:09:05,900 sorry. 23rd and offensive efficiency 12th in defensive 175 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:09,100 efficiency. The other one is Haslam metrics, 176 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,300 Indiana, not quite as high and Haslem metrics their 18th in 177 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:16,400 Haslem. A couple of spots ahead of 178 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,300 Purdue and then Ohio, State and Michigan right below that. 179 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:24,000 But again, overall, I think, you know, you look at this Indiana 180 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,400 team and you say, okay, it's not just fans. 181 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:30,600 It's also the computers projecting this. 182 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,600 They look at this Indiana Squad and they like what they see. 183 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,700 Now, Scott as we come into this, you look around and it 184 00:09:37,708 --> 00:09:42,700 essentially, there's two stories to tell one is as much as Archie 185 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:46,300 Miller gets a lot of criticism and rightfully so The overall 186 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:48,800 performance of Indiana during his tenure. 187 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:53,400 You you have to say that you know by and large he did raise 188 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:58,100 the defensive floor for this Indiana program from where it 189 00:09:58,100 --> 00:10:01,400 had been. And that is going to be an 190 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,700 interesting Factor as we go into this upcoming season because you 191 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:08,000 know, to some degree, you know, Indiana. 192 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,200 They need to be better than they were under Archie. 193 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,700 Miller defensively. They topped out. 194 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:15,200 I think it 26th verse season last year. 195 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:19,900 Indiana ended the season up as the what was their final total 196 00:10:19,900 --> 00:10:22,100 they were 24th. So they had an incremental 197 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:25,500 Improvement relatively speaking. We're talking about a pretty big 198 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:28,900 leap like a leap of 10 to 15 spots into potentially being a 199 00:10:28,908 --> 00:10:31,900 top-10 defensive team that's going to be crucial. 200 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:35,600 I think for this Indiana team throughout the course of the 201 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,000 season but then the big leap is on offense. 202 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,300 I mean last year's team was 95th in the country in offensive 203 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:44,300 efficiency and we're talking about them, taking a leap to 204 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:47,400 being a top 25. Offensive team which Scott you. 205 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,600 And I have been talking about. It feels like for like six or 206 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,100 seven years now. Like if only Indiana could get 207 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:56,100 good on offense and they just haven't been able to do so. 208 00:10:56,300 --> 00:10:58,600 So I guess, let me ask you this, what do you think is more likely 209 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Indiana being a top-10 defensive team were being a top 25 210 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,700 offensive team being a defensive top 10 team. 211 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:12,100 I think all the pieces are there and this is, you know, I hate to 212 00:11:12,100 --> 00:11:14,700 say all this because like, we just finished talking football, 213 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:15,600 it's like, I'm so nervous. Nervous. 214 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,800 Like my floor, not being true. But you look at to be a good 215 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,500 defensive team. You need good interior defense 216 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:26,200 to start and all you can say is just like with race Thompson and 217 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,300 Trace Jackson Davis if nothing else. 218 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:31,600 They've been unbelievably consistent, had a nice growth 219 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,000 trajectory and so it would be an insane aberration if they just 220 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,900 did not come in and provide exactly what they provided last 221 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:41,400 year, if not more and if they do that you're gonna have one of 222 00:11:41,408 --> 00:11:43,900 the best interior defense. Has the country or at least in 223 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:46,600 the Big Ten and so you just are So you're starting off with a 224 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,000 great footing, where you have some of the best post offenders. 225 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,800 I mean, Trace Jackson Davis was good and then last year he took 226 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,300 a real step up and you have to assume that's partially his work 227 00:11:57,300 --> 00:11:59,800 and parse through the work of Mike Woodson's defensive 228 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,600 approach. And so you can only imagine it's 229 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,000 going to continue to get better and again just in the history of 230 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,600 trace and race. They've not shown this kind of 231 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,500 like really good really bad. Like they've been both 232 00:12:11,500 --> 00:12:14,800 consistent and steady Growers and so you assume that at least 233 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,500 if you just get What you got last year, you're going to have 234 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:20,900 a great interior defense. Xavier Johnson has shown that 235 00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:24,700 he's a complete Pitbull and works really hard and if nothing 236 00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:26,400 else. I like, I'm not concerned about 237 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,600 him, providing 100% effort every game like he will do that. 238 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,800 That's going to give you one really good defender on the 239 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,200 perimeter. You just really need to fill in 240 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,600 one or two more spots there. You have a lot of really good 241 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,600 options there. That you hope a guy like Tamar 242 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,900 Bates steps up. If Jordan Geronimo if his you 243 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:45,200 know, trajectory continues to him. 244 00:12:45,700 --> 00:12:48,400 At the rate that we saw at the end of last year's, you know, 245 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:51,300 not all of them. This is something that I always, 246 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:54,300 you know, tell people to, you know, they look at a an 247 00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:56,700 offseason and they give everybody the ultimate, you 248 00:12:56,700 --> 00:13:00,100 know, five, you know, they get the ultimate, you know, ten XP 249 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:02,300 growth points every year. It's like not, everyone is going 250 00:13:02,300 --> 00:13:05,200 to have the best possible outcome in their results. 251 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:08,600 But what's great about this team is you don't need that because 252 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,200 you know, that trace and race are going to give you what 253 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,600 they're going to give you, you know, Xavier is going to give 254 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,700 you all you need is. One of the freshmen and either 255 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:19,700 Tamar Bates or Jordan Geronimo or somebody else just have a 256 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:22,600 little bit of a growth and it's like, you now have an 257 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,700 unbelievably great defensive team and that's, I think, you 258 00:13:26,708 --> 00:13:30,400 know, a lot of its mentality. And one of the complaints, I 259 00:13:30,408 --> 00:13:33,500 think it was a legitimate complaint during the Archie 260 00:13:33,500 --> 00:13:36,000 Miller era. Was that, even though 261 00:13:36,300 --> 00:13:40,500 fundamentally, I you was sound defensively, they seem to shrink 262 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:43,200 in big moments, they weren't able to make key plays down the 263 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,000 stretch of games and Also obviously their offense often 264 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,700 let them down and they weren't able to you know, I mean you can 265 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:53,100 make three great enemy that Purdue game from what was it 266 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:58,400 like 20 2018 2019 where it was like, 4846 was the final and 267 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,900 it's like Indiana was playing good defense and they just never 268 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:02,300 got the offense that they needed. 269 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,200 So ended up kind of being this bad feedback loop. 270 00:14:05,300 --> 00:14:08,600 Now last year's team, while it's still struggled from some of 271 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:14,500 those issues, certainly felt like a team that had more 272 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:19,000 confidence in itself defensively and relied on each other more 273 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,800 consistently and more effectively in those defensive 274 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,000 situations. And I think as you said like the 275 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:31,300 the idea for this team is not only have you increased the 276 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:35,000 athleticism, especially with the, the younger folks that are 277 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,000 here. But also you've increased 278 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,500 frankly, the I think the mentality a bit more because now 279 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:47,300 you've got a whole nother offseason Worth of practice of 280 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:50,300 thinking about things of reviewing tape and that is 281 00:14:50,300 --> 00:14:52,600 exciting. And I think what's also nice for 282 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,200 this Indiana team is, you are built around some pretty 283 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,900 athletic players who are big for their positions, you know? 284 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:05,200 I mean, Trace Jackson Davis race Thompson, TJ D. 285 00:15:05,300 --> 00:15:07,300 Yo, you mentioned Jordan Geronimo who we haven't talked 286 00:15:07,300 --> 00:15:09,700 about yet. Like a lot of the players who 287 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:11,900 seem to struggle from a physicality perspective, you 288 00:15:11,908 --> 00:15:14,200 don't necessarily have those guys in the guys do Wouldn't 289 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,500 look at and say, wow, your mega athletic, they tend to all be 290 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:20,100 pretty hard workers for the most part defensively. 291 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:23,500 So, you know, they're going to need that obviously, as they are 292 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:28,300 playing some pretty good teams offensively early on in this 293 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:32,300 season and throughout, but if they can establish that 294 00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:36,300 mentality early on and really hang their hat on it, I do think 295 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:40,400 that that'll have a kind of a carryover effect in terms of 296 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,700 they know that they've got that in their back pocket and that's 297 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:45,700 going Going to intimidate other teams and that's going to be a 298 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:48,300 really fascinating thing to watch, develop because Indiana 299 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:50,900 just hasn't been an intimidating basketball team to play against 300 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:53,800 for a long time. And even in the crane era, where 301 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,100 they were intimidating, they tended to be intimidating 302 00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:59,500 because they had a bunch of shots, not because they were a 303 00:15:59,508 --> 00:16:02,900 dynamite defensive team. I mean, really was only 2013 304 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,100 that you could have attributed that kind of play to them. 305 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:07,100 Yep. Yep. 306 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,400 Well that's and that's when they had, you know, guys like Oladipo 307 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,400 who were just you know crazy Defenders and athletic players 308 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:13,800 like that. No. 309 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,800 I think it'd be great to see the offense, take a step up what the 310 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,700 offense is going to have to do is we're going to need to have 311 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:22,700 somebody who can consistently, hit threes? 312 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,200 And the nice thing is, there's some, there's some people who 313 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,000 could do it. You may be at CJ gun, maybe it's 314 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,800 you know, Hood safiye know, maybe it's Miller cop kind of 315 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,000 rounds back into some form. Although I'm a little more 316 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,300 dubious on that one. You maybe tomorrow Bates brings 317 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:38,500 it into his game, you know, somebody's you can't become a 318 00:16:38,500 --> 00:16:42,500 dynamic offense without one or two people really being a 319 00:16:42,500 --> 00:16:45,200 Deadeye, three-point shooter. We just don't have a history of 320 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,200 seeing it the but the thing is, I'm not being pessimistic 321 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,600 because there's going again on offense, you know, and Xavier 322 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,600 Johnson actually was a pretty good three-point shooter last 323 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,300 year. You look at the numbers. 324 00:16:55,300 --> 00:16:58,500 Like it wasn't that bad but you're going to have a lot of 325 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:01,900 opportunity because if you if you have, you know, trace and 326 00:17:01,900 --> 00:17:04,599 race in the post and they're doing what they're doing, the 327 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:08,599 court is going to be open for people to hit Threes And if 328 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:10,500 they're if you have somebody starting to hit threes, it's 329 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:13,300 actually going to become. As you just said a good positive 330 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:15,500 feedback. Because now the defense is gonna 331 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:17,500 have to stretch out. It's going to give Trace more 332 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:19,900 room to move in the bait in the, in the post, which is then going 333 00:17:19,900 --> 00:17:22,200 to cause more issues like, but there's gonna be an opportunity 334 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,500 for someone to do it. It's just, I can't sit here and 335 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:27,400 say it's going to happen because we haven't seen it happen in 336 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,400 five or six years. And we've heard about, you know, 337 00:17:29,700 --> 00:17:33,000 guy Anthony Leo was a great high school, three point shooter and 338 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,300 it has not translated yet. And so the fact that CJ gun was 339 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:39,700 a great high school shooter, I'm not saying it can't happen. 340 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:42,300 It's just I haven't seen it. I need to see it before. 341 00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:44,300 I'm willing to say it whereas under Defense. 342 00:17:44,300 --> 00:17:45,800 I've seen it. Yeah. 343 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,900 No I think that's fair. You know, you look at Indiana 344 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,600 from a three-point shooting perspective as a program over 345 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:57,000 the course of time and it really it's a fascinating tale. 346 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,900 I mean, if you go back and look, I'm going to just read off 347 00:17:59,900 --> 00:18:03,300 percentages program wise since 2010. 348 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:10,700 Let's just start there. Alright, 34.1% in 2010 34.6% in 349 00:18:10,700 --> 00:18:15,900 2011, 43.1% in And that's the kind of jump that we talked 350 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:17,700 about last year. It's like, hey is this a 351 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:20,500 possibility? And if you think about that 352 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:25,900 team, that 2012 team, you know, it was really about Jordan holes 353 00:18:25,900 --> 00:18:30,500 becoming more mature as a shooter and as a player but it 354 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:35,100 was also about Christian Watford hitting 44% of this threes. 355 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:39,800 It was about Derek Elston coming in off the bench and hitting 55% 356 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,500 of those threes. It was about Matt Roth, being 357 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:45,000 able to play in limited minutes and he 84% of his threes. 358 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,000 It wasn't just the primary players. 359 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,400 It was the role players coming in and contributing now 360 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,300 continuing on Indiana was slightly worse in the 2013 361 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:58,800 season. They were 40.3% 34.4% and 362 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:04,000 fourteen forty point, six percent, 15 41.6%, 16 38% and 17 363 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:12,900 and it goes 32.2%, 31.2% 32.6% 32.4% and then last year. 364 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:20,100 And I Oasis, 33.3%, where is Indiana going to land in 365 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:22,100 three-point shooting? I think is a huge question, 366 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:24,600 mark. And as you said, I mean, you 367 00:19:24,608 --> 00:19:27,000 look at this roster and you look at the players that are on it. 368 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:32,000 And there are individuals who have shown some promise Xavier 369 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,700 Johnson. Obviously, being one of them at 370 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:35,700 thirty eight point three percent from last year. 371 00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:39,700 Even Jordan Geronimo at 31%. It's like, well, that's at least 372 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:43,900 something that you can build off of and then the rest of the 373 00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:45,600 Oscar. It's like you've got Miller cop 374 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,900 obviously, as the other one at 36 point, 36 point one percent, 375 00:19:48,900 --> 00:19:51,900 that's a guy that has to take a leap in terms of his production. 376 00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:54,900 I don't know if he's necessarily capable of doing that because 377 00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:58,500 you look at cops history as a player, his best season at 378 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:02,200 Northwestern, he shot 39.6 percent from three and that was 379 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,800 with a pretty high volume of shots. 380 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,500 Now that would be fine but you've got to have some guys who 381 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:10,400 can come in and in limited minutes, get shots up and hit 382 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,000 them. And that's going to be a big 383 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,200 question. I think more about the way the 384 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,000 offense is Assured, as much as it is about the individual 385 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,500 confidence of the players. So I do think that that plays a 386 00:20:19,508 --> 00:20:22,900 big role in it, because if you can plug that in with the 387 00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:26,200 existing efficiency that is there with Trace Jackson Davis, 388 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,300 who has consistently been one of the most efficient scorers in 389 00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:31,400 college basketball. During his career, I'll be at 390 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,000 almost entirely from to. Now you've got not your cooking 391 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,300 a bit on offense. Now, you're able to say, hey 392 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:42,200 instead of, you know, barely averaging a point per 393 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,200 possession, adjusted Now you're averaging 1 Point 1 or 1 Point 394 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,500 12 points per possession and that really does make a 395 00:20:48,508 --> 00:20:51,400 difference statistically over the course of the season. 396 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:54,400 That's the kind of thing that turns 12 losses into six or 397 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,900 seven, because the variance there goes in your favor more 398 00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:03,200 than going against you. The thing, one of my big 399 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,400 questions going into this year is at the end of last season, 400 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,000 you know, when Indiana turned it around and beat Michigan. 401 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,800 And then be Illinois, laid, Iowa very well. 402 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,700 Well, and then beat Wyoming. One of the things that changed 403 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:21,800 was, you definitely saw a two-man game developed between 404 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,900 Xavier Johnson and Trace Jackson Davis. 405 00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:27,200 And it wasn't, it just kind of came about. 406 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,100 It almost every one of those games there was at least, you 407 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:33,700 know, to alley-oops where Xavier would drive the drive, the floor 408 00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:36,900 alley-oop to trace, and it would be a duck and they had a great 409 00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:41,400 little two-man game going, which, you know, you're adding 410 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,900 more to this year's team. I'm very curious. 411 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,100 Is to see if that continues because if that continues and 412 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:49,900 that becomes a backbone where it's like, all right, if we're 413 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:52,400 starting to get into that slog, again where our offense isn't 414 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,900 working, it's like we know we can fall back on a nice two main 415 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:57,400 game, which, you know, it's not like they did it again. 416 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,500 Slouches last year, my Illinois is one of the best teams in the 417 00:21:59,508 --> 00:22:03,200 country and they, they ran that over and over again. 418 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,000 They did it against Michigan. Didn't pretty high-pressure 419 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,000 situations where they had to win some games and if they're able 420 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,200 to cab that as a baseline, it's like, aren't we always know? 421 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,300 We can go to that. Two-man game if they're able to 422 00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:18,600 work that I'm just very curious to see if that rolls over and 423 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:19,900 continues to be part of the offense. 424 00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:23,400 Because if that is something that can continue to work that 425 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,400 again, is just a nice floor that you can build everything else 426 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,900 off of it, it's going to make life a million times easier. 427 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:33,200 For guys like hook Ruffino and Miller cop, it all those guys 428 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,200 trying to come in as like if because if you can have that 429 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,200 going then it's like everything else becomes easier. 430 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,400 So I'm very curious to see if that continues and if it 431 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,800 develops and grows up with an offseason of those guys. 432 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,500 Team together. So I want to switch gears a 433 00:22:46,508 --> 00:22:49,300 little bit, not too much but a little bit and talk about the 434 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:52,700 players and we're going to we're going to do it like follow. 435 00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:55,400 So we're going to use the Scott Caulfield theorem of freshmen 436 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,800 and we're going to put all the freshmen in their own bucket. 437 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,900 And we're going to, we're going to kind of set them aside for 438 00:23:00,908 --> 00:23:03,000 the moment. We'll come back and talk about 439 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,500 them. But I've really, I've been 440 00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:09,300 trying to get my head around, how I feel about the roster this 441 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:12,100 season, and what my expectations are and I've basically got the 442 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:16,500 returning players in three different groups. 443 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:21,300 And so I'm going to walk through those groups and see if you 444 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:25,000 agree with me on the groups and then we can kind of talk through 445 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,400 what the potential implications are of each of the groups and 446 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,200 who we expect to actually contribute consistently 447 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,300 throughout the course of the season. 448 00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:37,000 Because one of the things and this is what I was referring to 449 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,500 at the beginning of the podcast. I've seen a lot of talk from 450 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:43,400 fans, I'm even seeing it from certain media, it's like, well, 451 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,400 who's gonna Consistently since it looks like Indiana goes, ten 452 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,400 or eleven deep. And I remember having similar 453 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,700 conversations in multiple previous years and it never 454 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,500 actually works out that way where have every year, and then 455 00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,200 it's like, we have no bench but come February, it's like, trivia 456 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,300 question for you Scott. How many players last year 457 00:23:59,300 --> 00:24:03,000 played more than 55% of possible minutes? 458 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,100 I'm not going to look at Ken Pompey, trees up on my other 459 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:11,700 screen, probably like, no more than 65. 460 00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:16,800 He's five players. I was traced Jackson Davis race 461 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,200 Thompson. They played the most Xavier 462 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Johnson Miller, cop, and then Parker Stewart. 463 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,100 That was your fight. That was the top of everybody 464 00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:27,300 else. On the roster played, I think 465 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:30,900 something like thirty three percent or fewer of available 466 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:34,000 minutes and that includes Jordan Geronimo that includes Tamar 467 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,000 baits. That includes Rob fantasy, that 468 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,800 includes tray. Galileo, Galilei was injured. 469 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,800 So you kind of give him a little bit of a pass point. 470 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,000 Being like there really weren't as many contributors as I 471 00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:47,000 thought that there were going to be last year and did the last. 472 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,200 I'm just doing quickly that the previous two years, it was five 473 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,400 players and then for playwrights know it's a very valid points 474 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,400 and I think about every year that we always start the year 475 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,600 being like I don't know how we're going to get hitched if 476 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,600 you know any playing time. It's like no, there'll be time 477 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,200 for playing time. For everybody will get to a 478 00:25:01,208 --> 00:25:03,400 point where it's like I don't want anybody off the bench. 479 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,700 Well go ahead and I think I mean, it's to some degree. 480 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,400 What lesson do you take out of it? 481 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:09,700 And for me, I guess where I've landed on it? 482 00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:12,300 Is this idea that ultimately a lot of these players? 483 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,700 No, they, they're, they're press clippings are good. 484 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:19,500 They're Q scores high, but realistically, there's plenty of 485 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,200 opportunities to get on the floor. 486 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,300 If you're practicing well, and if you go out and actually 487 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:28,000 execute and you look at the players who didn't participate 488 00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:30,100 in more than thirty, three percent of available minutes 489 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:33,000 last year, and there were clear reasons why they didn't 490 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,900 tomorrow, Bates could not shoot to save his life. 491 00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:38,800 Rob fennessy could not score to save his life. 492 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,900 Trey Galloway again. A lot of that had to do with 493 00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:46,200 injury but Well, you know, that it's hard to know fully what 494 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,500 you're going to get out of tray Galloway yet at this point. 495 00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:50,200 So on and so forth. And I think you go back to 496 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,700 previous years. It's the same thing. 497 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,900 So you know, as much as Archie Miller system, for instance, was 498 00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:59,300 ripe for criticism. At the end of the day, guys, got 499 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:03,000 to step up and play. And if you don't you're probably 500 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,700 not going to get minutes and that ultimately is going to be 501 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,400 the big question mark coming into this year. 502 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,700 I know it's like dub. I look at it like this. 503 00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:14,000 This year, you've got players That I would put into three 504 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,400 separate buckets, the top bucket, the players that have 505 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,400 demonstrated that they can consistently contribute on both 506 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,600 offense and defense and are going to get the Lion's Share of 507 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,700 minutes aren't. And are essentially the core 508 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:27,700 around which Indiana has to build this year. 509 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:31,900 That's Trace Jackson Davis, race Thompson and Xavier Johnson. 510 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,600 And I feel like those three are going to start every single 511 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,700 game. Unless there's a suspension or 512 00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:43,300 something, and they are going to have to be the offensive and Of 513 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:46,700 engines that drive this Indiana basketball program forward. 514 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:50,900 And, you know, you can do a lot with a cord that is that strong 515 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:54,600 three guys who have played, you know, four or more years of 516 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,800 college basketball, who have demonstrated an ability to score 517 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,500 efficiently. All three of those players were 518 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:04,100 above a point per possession and offensive efficiency, all three 519 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:06,100 of those players have demonstrated that they're very 520 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:10,200 good in their individual skill, set areas, Trace Jackson Davis. 521 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,500 Of course, one of the top rebounders in the country, so is 522 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:15,300 race time. Epson Xavier Johnson, 14th in 523 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:18,600 the country, and assist rate last year draws a lot of fouls. 524 00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:21,400 I feel good about that being the core, because you've got a point 525 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,300 guard, you've got a 4 and a 5, or a 3 & A 4, however, you want 526 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:30,000 to set it up that those are the positions that allow you to play 527 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,300 around with some of the other ones. 528 00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:32,700 Do you disagree with any of that? 529 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,900 No, I agree with that 100%. So the second group of players 530 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:39,400 and this is where it gets a little bit tricky. 531 00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:42,900 My second bucket of three is players who I feel. 532 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,100 You'll very positively about their potential. 533 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,200 Because of their athleticism or because of what they've 534 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,400 demonstrated and or players who might be able to provide some 535 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,500 volume in terms of either scoring or defensive minutes. 536 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,700 My three players in that bucket. Are Jordan Geronimo. 537 00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:05,300 Tamar Bates and Miller cop now, they're all kind of different 538 00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,000 players. I mean, Geronimo, you know, at 539 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,700 least for me I look at that guy and I'm like, that's a guy who 540 00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:15,500 could take a Victor Oladipo style leap, he's got the talent, 541 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,400 he's got the size, he's got Flexibility in terms of what he 542 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,300 does. You know, he shot 31 percent 543 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,500 from three last year which is probably the most surprising 544 00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:26,400 statistic that I might look. And I granted that was only nine 545 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,700 made threes but still, but he was almost 60 percent from two, 546 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,100 he rebounded, the ball. Well, while he was in there and 547 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,400 it looks like that's a guy who if he can play, the way that he 548 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,000 played at the end of the year, throughout the entirety of the 549 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,100 Season, could just lock himself into a starting position for the 550 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:46,800 course of the season and I feel the same way about Miller cop. 551 00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:51,600 Like cop played a bunch started all 35 games, but I felt him 552 00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:55,400 relatively underwhelming on both offense and defense. 553 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,300 There were moments when he played very well. 554 00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:00,100 But there were also a lot of moments where you just kind of 555 00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:02,900 it looked like to some degree was going through the motions a 556 00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:07,500 little bit and, you know, for every the Iowa game where he, 557 00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:12,400 you know, he was, you know, 24/7 from three, but I thought played 558 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,000 fairly well overall, you know. But his offensive rating was 559 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,300 just not where it needed to be. You know, you flip that around, 560 00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:21,000 you look at that, you know, the Michigan game in the tournament 561 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,200 or some of the games down the stretch in the conference. 562 00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:27,700 He showed flashes, but he just wasn't consistent enough, but 563 00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:30,600 he's got clearly the skill set. And this is going to be his 564 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,000 fifth year in the Big Ten. That's a guy where it's like you 565 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,700 need to. This is a player who needs to 566 00:29:35,708 --> 00:29:39,100 play like a Max Bill felt or an exhaust Loft, you know, a guy 567 00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,000 who has a defined somewhat limited skill set but it doesn't 568 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,600 take anything off the table. What he adds to the table more 569 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,300 than makes up for whatever. Asians he's got on defense or 570 00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:50,800 whatever the third guy and Tamar Bates. 571 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,300 You know he had a kid last year who's a freshman. 572 00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:56,600 It was a transitional year looked like he was really 573 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,400 struggling to find his spot you know I mean that was a five-star 574 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,300 recruit clearly a guy that's got a lot of innate athleticism and 575 00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:06,300 basketball Talent. You look at his statistics and 576 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:09,700 you're like, there's no way you can be that bad offensively for 577 00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:12,400 a second year. And that's ultimately, what kept 578 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,000 him off the floor. If you can, if he can make more 579 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,800 shots, if you can be Efficient of a scorer that adds a 580 00:30:18,808 --> 00:30:22,900 tremendous additional facet to Indiana's back court that they 581 00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:25,300 frankly just didn't have last year. 582 00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:30,700 So anyway, any thoughts on that? Yeah, I would I would swap 583 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,800 Miller cop for Trey Galloway and here's why I agree with what you 584 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,700 said on Jordan Geronimo. He, you know, as IU basketball 585 00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:42,400 fans, you know, we saw it with Oladipo, we saw with ogn an OB 586 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,600 and I think we're highly attuned to look for guys who like are 587 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,200 ready to make that leap. With and are Geronimo checks, 588 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,400 all of those boxes, you know, the last couple games of the 589 00:30:51,408 --> 00:30:55,400 season in the tournament, he was just amazingly, hit threes 590 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,400 making blocks and he you know, this is a perfect situation for 591 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,800 him to really have a great year because I think he's going to be 592 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,700 overqualified to be kind of the third, big man in this lineup. 593 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:13,400 And so, you know, if he's in a lineup with Trace Jackson, Davis 594 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,800 and race Thompson, obviously defensively teams are going to 595 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,100 What him as like, well, he's the third person. 596 00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:22,300 You got to worry about when in reality, he's probably a number 597 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:25,600 two or maybe a possible number one option, but he's going to be 598 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,400 getting the third defensive, you know, option on him. 599 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,000 So he's at a spot where he can really make some hay this year 600 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,900 and is going to be kind of cast in a great position for him to 601 00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:38,300 make that leap. So I agree with all of that and 602 00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:42,200 I agree with you, on tomorrow Bates, it last year, he showed 603 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,700 moments on defense reads like this guy's got unbelievable 604 00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:48,400 athleticism. It felt like on offense, he was 605 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,500 really pressing and it's like, he felt like he knew like I only 606 00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:53,800 have two minutes, I got to do something and that's not a great 607 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,100 place to be. We're like you're trying to push 608 00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,200 it and then you're kind of going against the game playing. 609 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,500 So I gotta show, I could do something. 610 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:03,900 And he just got to find a way to let the flow come to him and 611 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,000 show a little more, but you would expect not that, not a 612 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,600 great jump. But at least something more to 613 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,300 me. I look at Trey Galloway as he's 614 00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:14,500 shown flashes, like he's been cut short with injury more than 615 00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:17,100 anything else. But when he's had a nice, Little 616 00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:19,300 stretch, he's had, you know four or five games in a row. 617 00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:22,500 R has offensive rating has been over 100, he's had some really 618 00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:25,900 good stretches when he's been healthy and he also kind of 619 00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:28,700 provides a really nice defensive spark. 620 00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:31,400 So when I look at kind of the athletic guys with some upside, 621 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,200 I would put him in more than cop. 622 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,100 Because with cop, I think you're going to get what you're going 623 00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:38,900 to get and for him. It's like you just need him to 624 00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:42,600 be a better spot up shooter when he gets looks. 625 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,500 And hopefully this year he's going to get more open looks, 626 00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,700 but I think cop. His kind of you are going to get 627 00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:51,300 what you're going to get. So I would make that do that 628 00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:55,000 flip but you didn't. So tell us why you have Galloway 629 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,000 in the others in the next bucket. 630 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,200 Here's the thing. So this is and I want everybody 631 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,200 to understand, there's nothing personal about any of the 632 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,700 comments that were making about the players. 633 00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:06,700 People get really hung up on players, they love and any 634 00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:08,800 criticism of players is interpreted, like, you know, 635 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,200 you're an asshole. I get that. 636 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:13,200 But this is the challenge of trying to podcast objectively. 637 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,800 Here's the thing about Miller cop and I like I said, I wasn't 638 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:19,800 Terribly impressed with his effort in some of the games last 639 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,000 year. Look, like he was kind of just 640 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,300 out there but he doesn't turn the ball over very much and he 641 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:28,100 does hit a decent amount of shots. 642 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,800 I mean, in the last three years of college basketball, he's shot 643 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,700 39% 32 percent, thirty six percent from three. 644 00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:37,000 He's not the most efficient scorer and that does need to get 645 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,800 better but I feel like he takes less off the table than Callaway 646 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,100 does. Because if you look at Galloway 647 00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:44,500 and I know Galloway was injured last year, but at the end of the 648 00:33:44,508 --> 00:33:47,100 day, Trey Galloway for his career. 649 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,400 He said, two consecutive years where his turnover rate was 650 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,000 over, 22% was 22.8%. His freshman year was 22.8% his 651 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000 sophomore year and that's troubling. 652 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,400 Like if you're not, if you're not a volume scorer, if you're 653 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,100 not a guy who can put a bunch of points up on the board and you 654 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:07,800 don't have a clearly defined position because Trey Galloway 655 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,600 is not a point guard and he's not really an effective to 656 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,600 because he's shot from three, 18% and 21% in his two years at 657 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,800 IU. So, So far and you're turning 658 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,900 the ball over 23% of the time. You do something while only 659 00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:27,800 assisting outfit 15 percent and 16 percent, which are is assist 660 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,300 numbers. Essentially, you're in that - 661 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,100 and I look, I know, he's, he does play defense fairly well, 662 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:36,800 but not well enough to justify the lack of offensive production 663 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,300 now could trade Gala, we make a big leap. 664 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,600 Absolutely. But the purpose of these buckets 665 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,199 is what do I feel like I know about a player based upon what 666 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,500 we've seen and what, Our athletic and physical 667 00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:51,300 characteristics are and how will that translate? 668 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:55,400 And I just at this point unless Trey Galloway does a kind of a 669 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,000 Tom Coverdale after his sophomore year thing where he 670 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,200 just blossoms which is entirely possible. 671 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,400 They know they share some characteristics physically at 672 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,900 least. It buys players, Maybe not 673 00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:11,400 today, you know, but unless he makes that kind of a leap you 674 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,900 know, especially with the freshmen coming in, I have a 675 00:35:13,908 --> 00:35:17,000 hard time, seeing him getting a huge amount of playing time. 676 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,000 And I also look at him and say, thus far what you showed me has 677 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,900 not impressed me to the point where you are a key part of a 678 00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:25,300 formula. That's getting Indiana. 679 00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,800 A Big Ten title. So that's my rationale. 680 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:32,900 No, that's, that's totally fair. I just, I look at it as he has 681 00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:35,600 more upside in my mind than Miller cop, I get where you're 682 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,600 coming from. And I would also say with Trey, 683 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,900 it's like it, you almost have to give him an incomplete because 684 00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,100 he just has not had a healthy stretch, right? 685 00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:45,900 Just it's tough. And you hope that he can just 686 00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:47,700 have a year where he's Stays healthy. 687 00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:49,600 And it feels like when he's starting to understand his 688 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,500 rhythm is right when he gets his right when he gets injured and 689 00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:53,800 then he's like, he's playing injured. 690 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,200 So, but everything you said is valid to, but go ahead with next 691 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,800 bucket. So the next bucket I have 692 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,100 Galloway for all the reasons I just mentioned, then I think of 693 00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:03,900 the three and you're right. I mean, Galloway does have some 694 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:06,500 upside. I just, I don't think his 695 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:08,500 current grade justifies playing him. 696 00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:13,200 Just for the upside, especially if Indiana has any, any desire 697 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,300 to actually win the Big Ten title, the other two are low And 698 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:20,500 Duncan who has essentially been a nonentity like he's day, he 699 00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:23,200 doesn't even have a Ken Palm page from last year because he 700 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,300 played. So, so infrequently and Anthony 701 00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:31,200 Lille, you know, soleal, when I look at Leo, you know, I look at 702 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,500 a guy who has been able to come in and eat Play-Doh play limited 703 00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:40,000 minutes but it's a similar story to Trey Galloway where he you 704 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000 know he shot the ball better than Galloway. 705 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,300 From three thirty percent is freshman year. 31 almost 32 706 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:48,500 percent his sophomore year but Turn the ball over, too much to 707 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:53,900 justify, what little, he's been able to provide on that end. 25% 708 00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:56,800 is freshman year was better last year, only turn the ball over on 709 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,800 20%, but when you're in in limited minutes and you're 710 00:36:59,808 --> 00:37:03,400 turning the ball over one out of every five times, that's a 711 00:37:03,408 --> 00:37:06,000 problem. And now Leo's also suffered from 712 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,400 some injuries and I know he's had some enemies in a boot. 713 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,700 I think for Hoosier hysteria you know and we hope that he gets 714 00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:14,300 better. But again this is a guy who 715 00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:19,500 physically speaking. And in terms of what he can do 716 00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:23,800 alone, shooting the ball is, you know, could provide some key 717 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,000 moments. But I would just I right now, if 718 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000 you're, if you're spreading the players out into tears, he's 719 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,300 certainly in that lower tier Logan, dunk on his a guy who we 720 00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:33,700 just don't know a whole lot about. 721 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,300 We've heard a lot in the preseason about how Logan Duncan 722 00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:39,100 looks really good. All of a sudden, the Logan duck 723 00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:43,400 comes like really providing you know, some competition that's 724 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,300 great but We've heard that before you know like dmarc 725 00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:51,100 Michelle was supposed to be a top-notch player in a grand. 726 00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,800 He never saw the floor but we hear this. 727 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,900 A lot of times like what player really is looking good and it's 728 00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:58,800 gotten better. It's almost impossible to think 729 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,100 that you've got a whole lot there, but that's okay. 730 00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:03,800 If you get something out of any, of those three players where 731 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,500 they forced their way in, and they're playing 16 to 20 732 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:08,900 minutes, that's great. That's awesome. 733 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,700 That really does tell me, hey, I that this IU team has got it 734 00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:15,200 going because they're getting those sorts of contributions. 735 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,100 But to some degree it's like you could get very minimal 736 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,200 contributions from any of those three. 737 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,400 As long as the the top six that I've highlighted are 738 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,700 contributing consistently not turning the ball over scoring 739 00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:29,800 efficiently. Playing good defense and I think 740 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,500 Indiana still in really good shape. 741 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,300 Then you've got the three income or the for incomers really one. 742 00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:37,500 Sorry go quick thing on Leo like to know, just one quick thing, 743 00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:41,500 only old it's you know it's tough because of all the guys 744 00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:43,800 that I watched like warming up, he has the best-looking 745 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,800 three-shot. Like I know, there's no Shooter 746 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,900 in high school. It's wild but you do, and it's 747 00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:50,600 from Bloomington. So that a lot of things going 748 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,400 there. But you know, I bring this up 749 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,400 often, you know, stuff goes by fast in college like he's 750 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,000 already halfway done with his career at IU like he's halfway 751 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,500 there and normally things are mostly solidified and he's just, 752 00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:07,600 you know, he's a 30% 30%, three-point shooter. 753 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,400 Yeah, and a 63% free-throw shooter, it's totally unfair. 754 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,800 It's on 11 attempts like is not a lot of options numbers there. 755 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,300 But, you know, even I sometimes think like, throw them in the 756 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,100 He's a Deadeye, three-point shooter, and it's like the 757 00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:20,700 numbers in games, just do not substantiate that. 758 00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:24,200 And, and I don't want to pick on him because he's no out of near 759 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,500 the end of the bench. But it's like it is tough for 760 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:28,800 me, because I even get into that, like, I throw it hit some 761 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,400 threes, it's like for being a career 30%, 3-point shooter, 762 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,200 that's not somebody who can come in and just, you know, for all 763 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,700 the Guff we gave Parker Stewart. He was like, shooting 34, 35 764 00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:39,900 percent, you 30% is just not ideal. 765 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,100 And again, it's not like, you know, he does have a lot of 766 00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,700 options, but it's like, he's at the end of this year, he's going 767 00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:46,600 to be 75. I percent done with his college 768 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,300 career so it's like there's half as careers already done. 769 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,600 And look again, it's not personal. 770 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,700 I love to see. Anthony will do well. 771 00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:58,400 He's a great story but at least this is a competitive landscape 772 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,100 and I think to some degree It's why it's why you have to play 773 00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,900 against defenders in college, basketball, rather than just, 774 00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:09,200 you know, you get credit for shooting on your own because you 775 00:40:09,207 --> 00:40:11,900 can have a great looking stroke, but there's other elements as we 776 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:16,000 all know that have to go into being a good player and at the 777 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,200 end of the day, you know I always get a kick out of fans or 778 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,000 media clamoring for a player to play that isn't playing. 779 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,700 It's like do you think coaches aren't putting what they think 780 00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:29,200 is the best lineup for the best players out there on a 781 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,700 consistent basis? And then, so I would love for 782 00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:37,500 Lille to contribute. I would love for dunk them to be 783 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,500 able to come in and contribute. I guess my point in all of this 784 00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:44,300 is not to criticize them but simply say, if they don't, it is 785 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:47,900 not a crisis. If you get contributions out of 786 00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:50,800 the top six or top seven returners and that I would throw 787 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,500 Galloway into that makes he certainly belongs to that second 788 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:56,200 bucket more than he belongs to the third. 789 00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,000 Just not as much as I think. Some people think that he does, 790 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,200 then you've got the four For newcomers coming in jail and 791 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,500 Josephine. Oh Malik renew, Caleb Banks and 792 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:09,300 CJ gun. This is going to be interesting 793 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,900 when you know one of the cool things about bart torvik site is 794 00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:18,600 he does try to quantify the potential contributions of 795 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,400 incoming players and you don't necessarily mean you don't see 796 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,200 those things on Ken Pon. But you do see them on torque on 797 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:28,100 torvik because he's got this page is like top 10 projected 798 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:31,600 contributors and what he's got is One who'd, shh, Fino 799 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,700 contributing at a higher rate than Tamar Bates or Jordan 800 00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:39,600 Geronimo, which is a really fascinating thing to think 801 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,700 about. Because, you know, to some 802 00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:45,300 degree I think we we all get in a murdered with Geronimo and 803 00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:47,700 Bates because we know what the recruiting hype was with 804 00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:49,500 Geronimo. We saw how he played, you know, 805 00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,500 in the Big Ten tournament and we're like, wow, can we 806 00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:53,600 capitalize on that? But, statistically, you look at 807 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,300 the whole season and it's like, okay. 808 00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:58,900 I understand why the computers aren't quite as high as the fans 809 00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:00,500 are on these individuals. Who'd shit. 810 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,100 Fino with his statistical profile. 811 00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:05,800 The projection right now on torvik is that he'd come in and 812 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,300 average 63 and a half and one and a half, you know, so, six 813 00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:14,000 point three and a half rebounds 1 and a half assists and 814 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,000 essentially immediately slot in as the second point guard on 815 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,500 this team. And you know now that said it 816 00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:24,100 also projects tray Galloway to score about 7 points a game. 817 00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:26,300 I'm not 100% certain, I'm in on that. 818 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,000 But but that's, I do think that if you try to project out Hood 819 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,100 sure Fino to me has the best opportunity to make the largest 820 00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:40,700 contribution of the incoming players immediately and at a 821 00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,400 rate that would put him, I guess. 822 00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:47,200 Squarely in that second bucket of players that Indiana's got of 823 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,300 guys who we're not totally sure because we haven't seen them do 824 00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:53,200 it in multiple Seasons, but a guy that's clearly got the 825 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,000 talent and the ability to contribute at a very high level 826 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,400 coming right out of the gate. Yeah. 827 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,500 The, the torvik contributors. It's like, it's it's interesting 828 00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:05,000 to see who Chief, you know, and he said above Geronimo and 829 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,500 Bates. I do think we're not going to be 830 00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:11,100 in for a great season, if trig always having, you know, a 831 00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:13,100 better statistical impact than Hood Shafi. 832 00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:16,600 Know, like part of where I think this team can be supercharged, 833 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:22,300 is if Renault or Hood shh pheno is truly the five-star that we 834 00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,600 expect to be getting like and this is again, no will continue 835 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,400 to preface this no knocking any players. 836 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,800 Individuals. But, you know, it does feel like 837 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,500 when other programs get five stars, like, oh, this guy's the 838 00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:35,500 five-star, like he's suddenly, take you over the offense and 839 00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,900 doing things the freshman and then, you know, we have tomorrow 840 00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:39,900 Bates who comes in and like it struggles trying to find his 841 00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:42,000 footing. It's like, that's not that's not 842 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,900 the kind of five-star duke or Kentucky gets. 843 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,400 And but this team, you know what I do like is the little bit that 844 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,000 I've seen the media. Talk about Hood Shafi know his 845 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,600 teammates talk about it does and just watching him he looks like 846 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,800 he has a college ready. Body it I'm starting to To get 847 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,300 the feel like he really could be a legitimate impact, five-star 848 00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:04,600 freshman to come in and make some things happen. 849 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:07,000 The one just side. Note that kind of made me 850 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,700 chuckle, but I saw a comment were traced Jackson Davis said, 851 00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:13,900 oh, what's your fee knows a one and done with this guy is you 852 00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:15,000 know he's gonna be a one and done. 853 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,000 I thought, what I thought to myself Trace we all thought the 854 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,900 same thing about you before your freshman year. 855 00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:22,700 And Tamar base, we are. Yeah, and here we are four years 856 00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:23,900 later. You're still here. 857 00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:27,000 I will say it wasn't. I will say, and I thought the 858 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,000 same thing. We'll say it was also the pro 859 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,500 Scouts, who said the same thing about Hood, should be no. 860 00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:34,600 And that there's a big difference between, you know, a 861 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,200 random recruiting board reporter saying this guy's a one-and-done 862 00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:42,200 and actual Pro Scouts coming in and saying the same thing. 863 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,700 And so, anyway, will you take, I mean, we just don't have a good 864 00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:46,800 at. There's not a lot of, you know, 865 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,800 one and done analogies and Indiana history. 866 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,000 So please forgive the analogy because I'm not saying this is 867 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,300 the expectation or even he plays like that but, you know this is 868 00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:57,400 where again back to my initial premise, you know? 869 00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:59,400 A thesis for the year, you know, we're going to be good. 870 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,900 Are we going to be great? Is if, you know, the Baseline, 871 00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:06,400 let you talk about Xavier Johnson and race Thompson, and 872 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,600 Trace Jackson Davis. If Hood Shafi, do comes in and 873 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,500 plays again, pardon the comparison, but plays like an 874 00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:16,400 Eric Gordon type level suddenly like, you know, that's a true, 875 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,000 five star one and done type player. 876 00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:22,100 If he comes in comes in and plays like that with the base 877 00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:25,200 that we already talked about with those three, then suddenly, 878 00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:29,800 the needles moving toward great, Very quickly and that that's the 879 00:45:29,808 --> 00:45:33,500 part that gets me very excited. I don't think we even need that. 880 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:37,500 If you take Renault and Hood, shh, pheno as a combination that 881 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:40,700 together, they kind of play at that level, that's really good. 882 00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:42,300 But know, everything I'm hearing about Hood. 883 00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:44,500 Chiffino's starting to get me very excited. 884 00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:47,800 I just again, what everyone's just pump the brakes. 885 00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:50,300 And let's like, let's see it against Xavier. 886 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,000 Let's just see how it goes against a real opponents, but 887 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,200 no, it's Everything we're hearing is good and you're right 888 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,500 II. The teammates talking about 889 00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:03,100 teammates that is all with a huge grain of salt. 890 00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:05,600 But Pro Scouts talking about it is different. 891 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,100 But again, you're only seeing guys, you know, there's guys who 892 00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:11,200 have great workouts and get drafted high in the NBA and 893 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,300 can't do it in games. You know, let's see how it 894 00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:17,000 happens against Real opponents but there's a lot of Spidey 895 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,700 senses for me that are tingling that are like this kid could be 896 00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:23,700 the real deal and if he is it's going to open up everything for 897 00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:25,000 everybody else. Then again back. 898 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,100 The great thing is like now if you know just a little you draw 899 00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:31,400 tomorrow or one of those guys has a jump, it's like now you're 900 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,600 really Edge into a great. But no, it's I'm very very 901 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,700 excited to see what Hood Fino can bring on this team and even 902 00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:40,700 as a backup point guard that's we had trouble with last year. 903 00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:44,000 Xavier Johnson was fantastic. As our point guard, he will be 904 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,800 our starting point guard but you know, he's at times prone to get 905 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,400 into foul trouble, prone to kind of get a little bit, you know, 906 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,300 overheated and just you need to kind of settle him down and we 907 00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:56,600 did not have a good second. Last year when Rob fantasy got 908 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,400 injured, right? And so if you're able to have 909 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,600 somebody that you can hand the ball off to, it's like this is 910 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,100 not a drop-off that also is a great place to be. 911 00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:08,700 Yeah, it's it's really the whole thing's fascinating and look, I 912 00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:10,900 think the other players this is the thing I think is 913 00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:16,100 interesting, this is why you want to have athletic skilled 914 00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:18,900 basketball players bring coming into your program, on a regular 915 00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:22,800 basis because I was really intrigued by Malik renew. 916 00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:26,600 I, you know, I've heard a lot of good things about Your bank's CJ 917 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,700 gun. I feel like there's almost got 918 00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:29,600 lost in the conversation a little bit, but that's the guy 919 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,300 that I'm really intrigued by based upon how he performed in 920 00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:35,400 high school. And I think the key as you just 921 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,100 mentioned, would save your Johnson is, there's got to be, 922 00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:41,700 they've got to get pushed. You've got to get pushed. 923 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,900 If you are going to be a good team, your starters have to feel 924 00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:48,900 like I have to play at a high level because I'm going to lose 925 00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:52,200 minutes or lose my starting position to the guys behind me 926 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,100 and to wit the what we talked about earlier, About only five 927 00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:59,000 players played over 55 minutes really only five players played. 928 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,400 Only over 35 minutes last year for Indiana. 929 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,600 It's hard to look at that and not draw the conclusion that. 930 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,400 Well, part of the problem is that they weren't getting pushed 931 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,800 sufficiently Enough by the guys who weren't playing that many 932 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,800 minutes, they didn't have Mike, woodsen's trust, they didn't 933 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,900 have Archie Miller's trust the previous year and that 934 00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:20,400 ultimately is how you end up being an average program as 935 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,600 opposed to being a program where you're consistently able to 936 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,600 compete and play it. Level. 937 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:32,100 And so it's hard to get a clear sense of exactly how those guys 938 00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:36,100 are going to fit into the equation because, you know, we 939 00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:41,600 just don't know how they're going to, you know, evolved to 940 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,200 the college level. But I am really excited about 941 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:50,000 the possibilities and I think that right now, you know, do 942 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,300 those guys end up higher in the pecking order than the, some of 943 00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:56,800 the players that are currently on the roster, I do think that's 944 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,300 possible. They could end up higher in the 945 00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,900 pecking order but I you could still end up with just like 946 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,300 eight players that are playing on a consistent basis and that 947 00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:07,900 might be for the best. Because if you got 10 or 11 948 00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:10,300 players playing on this roster, I'm not sure if that's 949 00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:13,800 necessarily a good thing. That probably is a sign that 950 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,500 stuff isn't going well because you're not getting enough 951 00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:19,600 consistency out of the guys that are supposed to be at the top of 952 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,500 the pecking order. Yep. 953 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:24,000 No, I agree. And I also agree with you 954 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,300 mention this for a second, but you know, Malik were no. 955 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,500 I am very curious to see him play as well because he's, you 956 00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:32,500 know, again, who knows how these, you know, grading systems 957 00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:36,000 actually end up being real, but he's graded right below hood 958 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,300 phaedo. And he comes in at 68, you know, 959 00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:43,100 has the length and so he could slot in, you know, right there 960 00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:46,600 behind Jordan Geronimo. He could be the best big man on 961 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,400 the second unit. I'm also, you know, this is 962 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,200 where the one thing I would like to see change a little bit as 963 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,600 Woodson had this propensity last year to kind of go line change 964 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,200 for line change in a very MBA style of, we're gonna have a 965 00:50:00,207 --> 00:50:04,100 second unit and a first unit, I do hope that we see more mixing 966 00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:06,500 and matching and like I'd like to see if you know where no is 967 00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:08,300 playing. Well what does he look like with 968 00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:10,400 Trace Jackson? Davis, or, you know, Jordan 969 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,000 Geronimo playing with race Thompson or your let's mix and 970 00:50:13,008 --> 00:50:14,600 match. We have a team where I think you 971 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,100 can do a lot of mixing and matching. 972 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,000 I do hope that we don't get into a situation where it's like, you 973 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,000 have hoods. You do in the second unit and 974 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,000 then you have, you know, Xavier Johnson, the first unit, like I 975 00:50:24,008 --> 00:50:25,500 would love to see some mixing matching. 976 00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:27,900 Let's play Xavier and Hood together, you know? 977 00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:30,300 So I could do it. That's something that pushin 978 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,000 pushin Fina. It's too much, peanut oil. 979 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,900 Yeah, yeah yeah anyway no. I agree with all that and I look 980 00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:42,200 I think ultimately as I you is true. 981 00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:44,800 I mean it's gonna take a while and this is where I would 982 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,100 caution people and we're going to dive into the schedule as we 983 00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:50,200 close things up here, I would caution people to read, not to 984 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,400 read. Too much into the early results 985 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,100 of this season, because I think it's just going to take a little 986 00:50:56,100 --> 00:51:01,100 bit of time for Indiana to figure out, like, who the best? 987 00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:03,900 Fourth and fifth players are. Yeah. 988 00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:06,900 If we were like, Xavier Johnson, Trace Jackson Davis race 989 00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:08,700 Thompson, who's the best fourth and fifth players? 990 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,700 How do they fit? How does that contribute 991 00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:13,600 defensively? Because I do think that that's 992 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,100 going to have to be the starting point for this team and then how 993 00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:21,700 does that translate over offensively and and Fully what 994 00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:24,800 you see either with the newcomers or with Tamar bait 995 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,700 stepping up or another cop stepping up or Jordan Geronimo 996 00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:30,900 stepping up is that you don't have to compromise which I think 997 00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:34,400 in the end has been doing a lot. Not just under Archie Miller, 998 00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:36,900 not just under Mike Woodson but under Tom crean it was like well 999 00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:39,400 we're going to make a stylistic decision that we're going to 1000 00:51:39,408 --> 00:51:42,500 sacrifice defense for offense under Tom crane we're going to 1001 00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:47,100 sacrifice offense for defense under Archie Miller you know the 1002 00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:50,100 best teams don't necessarily have to do that. 1003 00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:53,600 I mean, you're not gonna have a perfect roster, but I do think 1004 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,600 there's enough pieces and if they come together properly, 1005 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,300 you've got the possibility where you don't have to make as many 1006 00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:02,900 compromises as Indiana's obviously made over the course 1007 00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:06,400 of the last decade, essentially, in terms of who they're playing 1008 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,500 and how they're playing them in what formations, they're putting 1009 00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:10,600 them in out there on the basketball court. 1010 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,600 So that going back to what we started off with. 1011 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:19,300 Scott ultimately is what's going to decide how much of a leap 1012 00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:24,900 Indiana's offense And how Indiana's defense makes that 1013 00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:28,200 final jump up into the upper echelon of the top 10 top 15 1014 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,500 defenses in the country if that's indeed going to happen. 1015 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,200 Yep. So let's real quick on the 1016 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:40,700 schedule can pom is projecting right now, Indiana to finish the 1017 00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:46,900 Season, 22 and 9, and 13 and 7. And, you know, it's when you 1018 00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:49,600 look at the actual numbers in can Palm, it's like they don't 1019 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,100 necessarily match up because there's a difference between 1020 00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:56,100 individual game projections right and probabilities. 1021 00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:59,200 So if you have five straight games where you're projected to 1022 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,100 win but you're like a 52 percent. 1023 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,900 To win in each of them, you're probably going to be braided is 1024 00:53:03,908 --> 00:53:08,200 going 3 and 2, not 5 and 0 in those, but looking across like 1025 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:13,400 the, the only games that can pom is listing as more likely than 1026 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,100 not defeats our Arizona, which is actually a 50-50 game in the 1027 00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:19,300 eyes of Ken pom. And that's a neutral Court game 1028 00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:24,600 at Kansas or Indiana's, got a 35% chance of victory at Iowa, 1029 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,300 where it's a 48 percent chance of victory at Michigan 48, 1030 00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:31,300 percent chance of Victory and at Purdue 48 percent chance of 1031 00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:31,900 victory. Hurry. 1032 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,200 Now, the flip side of that is, there's a lot of games in that 1033 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,700 50 to 55 range that Indiana is projected to win Xavier. 1034 00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:42,700 For instance, at Xavier, I you projected to win that game by by 1035 00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:45,800 a 55 percent margin, only a one-point, projected margin of 1036 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:52,000 victory at Illinois, 52% at Michigan State, 51 percent. 1037 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,000 So when you look at some of the other rating systems, going back 1038 00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,000 to torvik, toradex got the exact same projection 22 + 9, 13 and 1039 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,000 7. With a slightly different set of 1040 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,200 wins and losses. They've got, are you losing it 1041 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,800 Xavier? They've got I you losing at 1042 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,800 Michigan State but they've also got I you beating Arizona and 1043 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,100 there's a couple of other games that are slightly different and 1044 00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:20,100 then the other one to note is, is Haslam s hasla? 1045 00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:25,000 Metrics that one? I don't, they, it's a similar 1046 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,100 sort of thing where again, it's like, yes Indiana's probably 1047 00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:31,500 going to lose in the eyes of Haslam's rating system. 1048 00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:37,100 At Xavier, but they're expected to I think when they there's one 1049 00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:38,900 game that was like a surprise that they were planning on? 1050 00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:43,100 Well, yeah the the Michigan State game again so ultimately 1051 00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:47,000 22 and nine whatever the formation if Indiana's 22 and 9 1052 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,900 and 13 and 7 in the conference. Are you looking at that and 1053 00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:54,800 saying wow that was a really successful season I feel happy 1054 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,500 about the way that that played out. 1055 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,900 I think so. I think the the unknown there is 1056 00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:04,900 where does 13 and nine slot you in the standings in the big tent 1057 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,200 and I think it's probably going to slot you in, you know, the 1058 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,000 top three or four and as long as that's the case I'm happy with 1059 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,600 that. I think that's to me is I'm more 1060 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,000 important where we finish in the Big Ten then what our final Big 1061 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,500 Ten record is. I think if I have a hard time 1062 00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:22,300 seeing 13 and 7, putting you fourth fifth, sixth or seventh 1063 00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:24,500 in the Big Ten. So I'm going to say it's 1064 00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:26,400 probably of going to be a good year. 1065 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,500 So yeah, overall I would take that I think that's a team 1066 00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:31,700 that's going to be in the top three in the Big Ten you're 1067 00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:33,400 going to have you know double protect in the Big Ten 1068 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,600 Tournament. You're going to be in a spot 1069 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,100 where you can play yourself into a protected seed in the NCAA 1070 00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:39,300 tournament. So yeah, I think that would be 1071 00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:41,600 that would be that would be good. 1072 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,700 That'd be a good year now, the one, the one downside. 1073 00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:47,100 And again when you look at preseason projections, you don't 1074 00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:51,000 know how your opponents are necessarily going to do. 1075 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,800 But you know, the it seems pretty clear from most of the 1076 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,000 rating systems, the three worst teams in the conference in 1077 00:55:56,008 --> 00:55:59,000 Northwestern. Nebraska and Minnesota. 1078 00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:02,500 Those are the three teams that in Ken pom are. 1079 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,100 They're the only three teams that are projected right now at 1080 00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:09,200 fewer than 10 wins in conference which is crazy to think about 1081 00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:11,900 you know so but you have to factor that into strength of 1082 00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:15,300 schedule and how everything fits in and unfortunately Indiana 1083 00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:19,400 only plays for total games against those three teams. 1084 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,800 They do play Northwestern both home and away but they got a 1085 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,600 travel to Minnesota and they have Nebraska at home. 1086 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,300 And you know that's unfortunate because this is where the bat 1087 00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:36,200 the unbalanced schedule in the Big Ten is a real pain in the 1088 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:41,300 ass because you love Indiana to be able to have a slightly 1089 00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:43,800 easier pathway where they get two additional games against 1090 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,100 those teams. And, you know, there's going to 1091 00:56:47,107 --> 00:56:50,300 be other teams that they're playing against that have the 1092 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,400 the ability to play those teams more, which is probably going to 1093 00:56:53,408 --> 00:56:55,600 lead to more victories. So, it's not an Apples to Apples 1094 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,000 comparison, but I'm with you It's like if you're 13 and 7, 1095 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,300 but you have a tougher strength of schedule and you finished 1096 00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:03,300 third in the conference in the regular season. 1097 00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:07,500 I mean, that's disappointing, because I think if everything 1098 00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:11,500 was equal, I like Indiana as the the slight favorite in the 1099 00:57:11,508 --> 00:57:13,500 conference, but since everything is not equal. 1100 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,200 You don't necessarily get the benefits of having been the 1101 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,700 quote-unquote best team in the conference if you play a tougher 1102 00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:23,600 schedule but as you said ultimately for IU, I think so 1103 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,500 much of what this program needs is positioning. 1104 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,900 NG to do well in the NCAA tournament that even if they 1105 00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:33,700 don't win the Big Ten if they're 13 and 7 and 22 and 9 and they 1106 00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:35,800 played the schedule that they play this year. 1107 00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:41,000 That is a huge step forward for the program and lays a nice 1108 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,100 foundation for what. Hopefully comes next and that's 1109 00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:47,900 ultimately what this is about. Like I there's certain teams 1110 00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:52,000 that are clearly going to be in the mix for the national title. 1111 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,800 I don't think Indiana is quite in that class, that they 1112 00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,200 certainly have peace. Is that if everything went right 1113 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,900 and if they got shooting that they have not had in seven or 1114 00:58:01,900 --> 00:58:04,800 eight years. Yeah, it could happen but that 1115 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,300 seems unlikely but I do think this is a sweet 16 caliber team 1116 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,500 may be slightly better than that. 1117 00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:14,400 If Indiana is able to put everything together and play 1118 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,300 well throughout the course of the Season that will ultimately 1119 00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:19,100 be what dictates that, you know, I guess for you. 1120 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,500 You know, is there, is there a red line where it's like this 1121 00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:26,300 this level of accomplishment or this? 1122 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,200 Full of performance is not what I would consider to be 1123 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,000 acceptable. Like, is there a record where 1124 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,300 you're like? I can't believe after all of 1125 00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:34,900 this hope. This is where we ended up. 1126 00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:39,500 It's a great question again for me, it's not a record but it's 1127 00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:43,600 going to be kind of a standing per se and that is I honestly 1128 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,100 think anything below. I mean Red Line. 1129 00:58:47,300 --> 00:58:50,300 I'll say anything below fifth in the conference, but I would 1130 00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:52,000 honestly Edge more toward fourth. 1131 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,600 I think you need to finish in the top four in the Big Ten that 1132 00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,300 this year because you know, quietly to I don't want to get 1133 00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:00,900 too big picture. But when you look at it, you 1134 00:59:00,908 --> 00:59:04,500 know, we're kind of building to this year because next year, you 1135 00:59:04,508 --> 00:59:07,000 know, race, Saint Xavier Johnson, Miller copper. 1136 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,700 Not going to be here. Xavier Trace Jackson Davis is 1137 00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:12,000 probably not going to be here, you know, you're going to have a 1138 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,500 bit of a reset. You don't have any five stars 1139 00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:16,100 lined up for coming in next year. 1140 00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:20,400 So there's next year might be a little bit of a Down year when I 1141 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,200 mean, we'll see how the Freshman go, but you're definitely losing 1142 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,500 a lot after this season. So it would be to me a 1143 00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:30,400 disappointment, if this kind of built up and then you get to a 1144 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,400 point where you don't even finish in the top four in the 1145 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,500 Big Ten for the end. AAA I agree with you. 1146 00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:40,300 I think a sweet 16 is something that I would aspire to, you 1147 00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:46,000 know, this is I've you can't just say we got to make sweet 16 1148 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,500 because there's a lot of factors at play there. 1149 00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:48,700 You know, what does the seating look like? 1150 00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:51,100 What see do you get? You know, what path do you get? 1151 00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:54,700 I think you know things happen in the tournament that can be 1152 00:59:54,700 --> 00:59:57,600 tough but to me it's like I was you I think that you need to be 1153 00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,100 in a position where you're giving yourself a good and 1154 01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:02,000 realistic shot to get to the Sweet 16. 1155 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,500 And so to me that means again a fourth place finish in the Big 1156 01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:07,800 Ten and then Probably being somewhere in the three, four, 1157 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,300 five, six, seed, in the NCAA tournament, but my red line is 1158 01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:14,500 probably at the five seats. So, being 345 see in the, in 1159 01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:18,100 the, in the NCAA tournament to me, you're giving yourself. 1160 01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:21,800 You have a shot to make sweet 16 and then, let's see how we do to 1161 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,300 get there. Let's not get our doors blown 1162 01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:24,800 off in the first game in the second game. 1163 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,200 If it's a really close game in that 45 game, okay, you know, 1164 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,600 it's like that's not what I wanted to end, but things 1165 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,600 sometimes happen. You might not have your best 1166 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,400 game, but that's Of its, I don't really have like, it has to be 1167 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,300 this or nothing else. Like, that's kind of where I'm 1168 01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:44,000 at, but I agree with you. I think that, you know, I'd be 1169 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,600 very disappointed if this team made the tournament as a, you 1170 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,500 know, eight, nine, ten 11 seed, then it's like they're 1171 01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:53,900 struggling to get to the Sweet 16 because they have to play you 1172 01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:56,900 know Kentucky or a really tough UNC team or Kansas. 1173 01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:58,900 It's like all right. Well that's not what this was 1174 01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:02,500 building up to on the flip side I do think on a positive note, 1175 01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:05,100 if all the pieces come together, I could see this being see. 1176 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,500 Similar to that, you know, 2012 IU team, where I still will go 1177 01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:11,400 to my grave thinking. If they don't play Kentucky in 1178 01:01:11,408 --> 01:01:13,900 the sweet 16 that team probably goes to the final four, like 1179 01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:16,500 they were the second best team in the tournament that year. 1180 01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:19,500 They just had a really bad draw and that seemed kind of came out 1181 01:01:19,508 --> 01:01:21,300 of nowhere and suddenly, it's like, we're playing for a 1182 01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,000 legitimate. I know we lost the sweet 16 but 1183 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,800 it's like we're playing the national champion toe-to-toe in 1184 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,400 the tournament. And I do think if things break, 1185 01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,600 right? And if the if the you know, the 1186 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,000 instantly tournament breaks, right? 1187 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,900 And we play We think you all these pieces come out on the 1188 01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:40,300 positive, I see a world where this team could be getting shot 1189 01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:42,700 in the final four. Like, I just, I do see that as a 1190 01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:44,600 possibility, so I think that's the upside. 1191 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,300 But yeah, my ending red line is are the things that I laid out. 1192 01:01:47,300 --> 01:01:49,900 What about for you? Yeah, I know, I feel kind of the 1193 01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:52,300 same. I think, ultimately, I use 1194 01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:58,600 ceiling is, it's going to be entirely dictated by how well, 1195 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,600 they shoot the ball from outside obvious. 1196 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,700 Such a huge part of the game and it's just a part of the game 1197 01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:06,600 that IU basketball is just essentially, Not paid attention 1198 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,300 to advocated. Advocated is exactly the word I 1199 01:02:09,308 --> 01:02:10,400 couldn't think it. Thank you. 1200 01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:13,100 They've advocated their responsibilities for shooting 1201 01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:15,900 three-point shots and to some degree, it makes last year's 1202 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,700 season a great accomplishment given that they did it despite 1203 01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:25,300 being a, you know like a very mediocre three-point shooting 1204 01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:30,600 team nationally so look. Can you fix that? 1205 01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:33,500 Obviously, that's why I read the percentage is off. 1206 01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:37,300 You can fix it if you focus on. There's nothing special in the 1207 01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:40,300 water in Bloomington that says, you cannot shoot threes. 1208 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,200 You have to, you have to set up your offense in a way that makes 1209 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,900 it work. And look, I think there's a lot 1210 01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:51,300 of factors in play right now about what Indiana could be the 1211 01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:55,300 big thing, ultimately, and this is where I hope between the 1212 01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:59,500 Purdue win last year at home. The fact they almost beat Purdue 1213 01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:02,800 on the road last year at the tail end of the season. 1214 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,500 And the way that they played in the Big Ten Tournament, the 1215 01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:09,700 biggest other element other than outside shooting that's going to 1216 01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:16,400 affect the ceiling of this team is, do they acquire a sense of 1217 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:21,300 superiority, not arrogance. But do they start to actually 1218 01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:26,200 consider themselves a confident basketball team that can go out 1219 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,700 and beat anybody on any given night? 1220 01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:31,000 You know, Mike Leach last night, they had a great quote, 1221 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,400 Mississippi State, got blown out by Alabama. 1222 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,900 It was something along the lines of, you know, We got to stop 1223 01:03:35,900 --> 01:03:39,700 being scared of players wearing the Alabama uniform. 1224 01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:42,100 You know, if you want to scare our team, just put an Alabama 1225 01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:44,000 uniform that on that'll scare the hell out of them. 1226 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,600 And that's kind of how I felt to some degree about IU basketball. 1227 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,800 The last several years, and it felt like it was finally 1228 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,500 starting to get shaken off a little bit. 1229 01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,100 Then it's not necessarily individual teams, but it's 1230 01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:58,400 moments, like, IU basketball, has been scared of the moment 1231 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:03,100 for a long time and it's a consistency issue in terms of 1232 01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:05,000 being able to come out and play it. 1233 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,500 A high level. Not just one night, you know, 1234 01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:11,400 not just at Michigan State or not, just, you know, here. 1235 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,900 They're like, it has to be something where you come out 1236 01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:16,800 with a Swagger. That's what IU basketball when 1237 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,700 it's been at its best has done and it's not just a bob Knight 1238 01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:21,200 thing. It was the same with Tom crane 1239 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:26,300 like 12 13 16. Those teams played gradually a 1240 01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:28,800 16 it took a while but those teams play with a confidence 1241 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,400 with a Swagger that You know, it gifted them points both 1242 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,900 offensively and defensively because they were in positions 1243 01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:38,800 to do things and they felt like they could do it. 1244 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,300 There was a belief there and that's been missing for a long 1245 01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:44,800 time and it started to come back a little bit last year. 1246 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,000 And that's what's got me excited is that if they can take the 1247 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,200 good moments from last year and build on top of those with more 1248 01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,500 good moments moving forward? You know, I mean they were they 1249 01:04:56,500 --> 01:05:00,300 were closed in several games last year they just didn't, they 1250 01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:02,400 didn't think did not. It had the confidence in 1251 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,300 themselves, whether that was the Syracuse game, either of the 1252 01:05:05,300 --> 01:05:08,200 Wisconsin games, the Ohio, State game on the road, the Purdue 1253 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,900 game on the road, the Michigan State game on the road was kind 1254 01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:14,700 of a separate situation. You know, that there's enough 1255 01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:20,500 there that if they can take the better moments and extrapolate 1256 01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:23,400 from that, that's going to put them in a position where they 1257 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:24,900 can have the kind of season everybody wants. 1258 01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:28,600 And so that's I think Mike Woodson's two biggest challenges 1259 01:05:28,700 --> 01:05:32,100 make them shoot properly and well and Make them confident in 1260 01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:35,400 themselves and if that happens, I agree with you, the sky's the 1261 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,800 limit and if it doesn't happen, I do worry. 1262 01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,700 You know, it's like you get to that fifth sixth, seventh range 1263 01:05:41,700 --> 01:05:44,000 of the Big Ten that's like wow this team really is still 1264 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,100 suffering from one or both of those maladies and that I think 1265 01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:48,900 will be very disappointing if that's how it goes. 1266 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,000 Yes. And I will say this to like the 1267 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,400 if we're there, the concerning part is, as you mentioned the 1268 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,300 Big Ten is going to be solid but it's not like the murderer's row 1269 01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,200 of a couple of Back where you have three teams in the top, 1270 01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,700 five of K-pop, top five or 10 of Ken Palma. 1271 01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:10,200 Give a lot of good teams but part of the reason that Indiana 1272 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,100 is projected to win the Big Ten and it's coming in so well is 1273 01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:16,300 that we're returning a lot and a lot of other teams are losing 1274 01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,100 stuff. Like this is a bit of a for as 1275 01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:20,700 good as the Big Ten might be kind of as a average conference 1276 01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:23,600 like it's a bit of a Down year it's not as good as it was last 1277 01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:29,200 year and it's very rarely. Do you get the kind of the cycle 1278 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,100 where you know what's frustrating? 1279 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,800 Strating is we did win the Big Ten and you know 2013 we were 1280 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,200 phenomenal but it's like God the Year we're good. 1281 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,400 As somebody Michigan's Dynamite Lake Michigan State's always 1282 01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,500 Goods like whenever we've been good. 1283 01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,900 Unfortunately it seems like the Big Ten is also just turned into 1284 01:06:43,900 --> 01:06:46,500 like this just Dynamite conference and this feels like 1285 01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:50,200 one of the first times that the Big Ten is a little bit down and 1286 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,500 were a little bit up and so it's like this is a time to make some 1287 01:06:53,500 --> 01:06:57,000 hay while the sun shines. You know, the other thing I'll 1288 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,400 say, looking at the schedule is you have an ability here to 1289 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,600 really start Nicely. I said it's a couple times, you 1290 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,300 know, I think that Xavier game is key, because if you can win 1291 01:07:07,300 --> 01:07:12,700 that, you're going to go into that North Carolina game for 50, 1292 01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:15,300 six in a row. And you're going to be probably 1293 01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:17,900 ranked at least 12 or maybe in the top 10 depending on other 1294 01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:20,700 people were losing, North Carolina will be somewhere in 1295 01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:23,800 the top five, but that's going to be an electric atmosphere, 1296 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,800 but even if you lose that, you could go into the Arizona game 1297 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,000 being 81, you know, and you just, you can start the season 1298 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,000 off. With a very nice Bank of wins. 1299 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,700 You can kind of get to almost 10 or 11 wins for the Big 10 1300 01:07:35,700 --> 01:07:38,700 starts. And that's a really really nice 1301 01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:41,300 place to be last thing. I'll say it is funny when you 1302 01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:43,700 look at Ken Pon browser on there, you know it has the 1303 01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:45,700 projected win as you were mentioning the percent. 1304 01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:49,100 You know we're 55 percent chance of winning Xavier, a lot of the 1305 01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:51,600 games against like, you know, Little Rock is 99. 1306 01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,300 I love that. We're playing Jackson State, 1307 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,500 like Ken Palm. Has to be like, no, it's 99.6. 1308 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,500 It's like that's how bad Jackson state is. 1309 01:07:59,500 --> 01:08:02,800 Just the, the only The only time we got to start putting decimals 1310 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,400 in like it's more than 99. Like that's just how bad they 1311 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:06,800 are. But anyway, no, I'm with you on 1312 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:07,300 all that. Look. 1313 01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:09,800 Ultimately, I said, the last thing I'll say on this and we'll 1314 01:08:09,808 --> 01:08:11,700 talk more and we're going to have some other folks, some 1315 01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:14,900 guests on from around the IU media verse to talk about IU 1316 01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:18,700 basketball. But I'm not going to get too. 1317 01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:21,399 I'm not too wrapped up in expectations. 1318 01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:23,600 I'm really not. I think this team's got a 1319 01:08:23,608 --> 01:08:26,600 potentially very high ceiling and I'm excited about that. 1320 01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:32,100 But I'm also I'm not sitting here like And I know it's 1321 01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:34,200 unfair, because I ask you this question, but I'm not sitting 1322 01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,000 here saying, well, they must do this, or they must do that in 1323 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,200 the seasons of disappointment. I am really do, a large degree 1324 01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:44,300 feeling like I am. I'm quietly confident that this 1325 01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:47,500 team is going to play. Well, I'm not going to get 1326 01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:53,500 wrapped up in whether or not I you beat Xavier or beats North 1327 01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:56,500 Carolina or beats Arizona, Arkansas, like it would suck if 1328 01:08:56,500 --> 01:09:01,300 they lost all of those games. But I really do think that This 1329 01:09:01,300 --> 01:09:03,399 is a team that is a work in progress. 1330 01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:05,100 It's going to have to be a work in progress. 1331 01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:08,899 And what I care about ultimately with IU basketball is that they 1332 01:09:08,899 --> 01:09:12,399 play well at the end of the season not that they play well, 1333 01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:15,700 at the beginning or in the middle of the Season, you go, 1334 01:09:15,700 --> 01:09:17,700 you know, look at the tournament last year. 1335 01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:21,000 You know you look at the teams that made the elite eight that, 1336 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,500 you know, Miami and North Carolina. 1337 01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:25,899 And you know, these teams that were not good. 1338 01:09:25,899 --> 01:09:28,200 Regular season teams, we're in danger of, not making the 1339 01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,000 tournament but we look back on those teams now in a row. 1340 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,500 Wow, those were, how could you not look at those as being 1341 01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:36,600 successful seasons for those teams at the end of the day 1342 01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,800 because they played well when it mattered and that is ultimately 1343 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,000 the attitude. I'm taking about this team. 1344 01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,700 If they lose two or three or even all four of those games, I 1345 01:09:45,707 --> 01:09:47,200 just rattled off in the non-conference. 1346 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,700 I'll be disappointed. I'll be like wow they're a lot 1347 01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:52,500 further away from where they need to be that I would like to 1348 01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:56,200 see but keep in mind the last team that people really like for 1349 01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:01,000 IU basketball started off by losing a bunch of games early. 1350 01:10:01,100 --> 01:10:04,100 And that they shouldn't have lost that was at 2016 team. 1351 01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:06,400 They lost her Wake Forest they lost to UNLV. 1352 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,400 They got obliterated by Duke and and they really didn't play a 1353 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,200 meaningfully good game in on winning, good game against a 1354 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,600 good team and they could argue until like Wisconsin at the 1355 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,500 beginning of January of that 2016 season and everybody looks 1356 01:10:21,500 --> 01:10:23,500 back on that team is like wow, they won the Big Ten, they made 1357 01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:28,100 the sweet 16 they beat Kentucky. We forget that it's not how they 1358 01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:30,500 started. It's ultimately what they became 1359 01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:33,700 and how they Hushed. And so, and to further, make 1360 01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:37,400 your point, the next year, 2017 is a team that beat Kansas and 1361 01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,700 beat North Carolina and the preseason and then ended up Tom 1362 01:10:40,700 --> 01:10:43,000 crean got fired as we lost the NIT so yummy. 1363 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,000 It's to make your point even more. 1364 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,200 Yes. Yeah, so anyway, that wraps it 1365 01:10:47,208 --> 01:10:49,000 up for me, any final. Thoughts from you before we wrap 1366 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,800 up this podcast? No, I'm like, yo, I know you 1367 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,900 made it. You made me pick my Hardline but 1368 01:10:54,900 --> 01:10:56,900 I'm very much in the same spot. You are. 1369 01:10:56,900 --> 01:11:00,500 I'm feeling quietly confident. I have Good Vibes on what the 1370 01:11:00,508 --> 01:11:03,000 Freshman might be. I want to see it in action, but 1371 01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:07,700 I'm I feel like this could be a fun, a fun year, a fun ride and 1372 01:11:07,700 --> 01:11:10,900 I'm not going. I would urge everybody to kind 1373 01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:15,100 of, you know, sit back and enjoy it and don't burden yourself or 1374 01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:17,900 the team with expectations and what I mean by that is like yes, 1375 01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:21,400 we need to have some level of things to Done. 1376 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,400 But, you know, I don't want to start being. 1377 01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:24,300 I'm starting to hear this little. 1378 01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:27,700 Well, got to make a sweet 16. It's like look just part of the 1379 01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:31,100 fun of years. Like this is like we're we're 1380 01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:33,100 not expecting it. Like that's what was so tough in 1381 01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:35,900 2013 is like they come in. They're ranked number one in the 1382 01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:37,500 country. It's like all right well we got 1383 01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:40,900 to do it like and the we got to do it years or tough because 1384 01:11:40,900 --> 01:11:45,500 it's like when you lose the sweet 16 to Syracuse like that 1385 01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:48,300 suck, but that's what I mean, we all want to take in that last 1386 01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:51,000 year, had we gotten there the rise up? 1387 01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:54,300 Is sometimes more fun than the hey we're the best team and 1388 01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:58,000 we've got to cash it in now and this does feel very much like a 1389 01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:02,200 kind of rise up here where we can kind of come in and surprise 1390 01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:07,900 people, Allah 2012, Allah 2016 and I just, I think from where 1391 01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:10,200 I'm getting most people are kind of in the same boat we are, 1392 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,000 which is good. I just hope we don't get too far 1393 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,000 ahead and put too much expectations that we got to get 1394 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,900 this done. Like just enjoy the ride but I I 1395 01:12:18,900 --> 01:12:21,300 think this could be a really fun team to watch because we have a 1396 01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:23,100 lot of guys we've seen over the years. 1397 01:12:23,100 --> 01:12:26,000 A lot of guys that we know kind of what we're going to get out 1398 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,500 of them. You have really a generational 1399 01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:31,200 decade type player and Trace Jackson. 1400 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,700 Davis, who could be getting close to some all-time records 1401 01:12:33,700 --> 01:12:36,600 that I you like there's some really cool things that could be 1402 01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,200 happening this year. So I'm I'm very optimistic and 1403 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,400 excited for this year. So that's where I'm at. 1404 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,000 That's a good way to leave it. Alright, well we'll talk more 1405 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,700 about IU as they get started here pretty quickly. 1406 01:12:50,700 --> 01:12:54,400 I mean, it's its heart, it feels like October is just flown by 1407 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,100 for me, Scott, I you probably feel the same. 1408 01:12:57,700 --> 01:13:02,000 Yeah, but first exhibition game is this Saturday at 3:00 p.m. 1409 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,300 they play Marion, that's going to be on Big Ten. 1410 01:13:04,300 --> 01:13:07,200 Plus there's a big 10 plus sale right now, for those who haven't 1411 01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,700 seen it, I think it's like $49 for the rest of the year. 1412 01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:14,300 And that means you'll get both exhibition games and the opener, 1413 01:13:14,300 --> 01:13:17,100 which So the second exhibition game is next Thursday, November 1414 01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:19,700 3rd, that's against st. Francis, and then that first 1415 01:13:19,700 --> 01:13:23,100 game against Morehead, State is November, 7th, which is Monday 1416 01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:26,000 all those games will be on Big Ten plus yes, what? 1417 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,600 Just one last thing for people who are out there, who enjoy 1418 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,200 listening to Crimson cast first off, thank you, it's always 1419 01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,400 appreciated. But secondly, this is it just 1420 01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,500 because this is going to happen. Start getting really fast really 1421 01:13:35,500 --> 01:13:38,300 quick. You and I are both scheduled to 1422 01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:41,100 go to the Vegas game. The Arizona Game and Vegas. 1423 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,100 I think we're both scheduled to go. 1424 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,900 Yeah, scheduled like we were Called in by our bosses and 1425 01:13:45,900 --> 01:13:47,900 said, hey, you got, you gotta go to Vegas, guys? 1426 01:13:47,900 --> 01:13:51,700 Yeah, that's not weird. Yeah, so we both have yes but no 1427 01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:53,100 way. We're both planning on going to 1428 01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:56,100 the to Vegas for Arizona. I think we're both planning on 1429 01:13:56,100 --> 01:14:00,200 going to Kansas for that game. So just we're both will be 1430 01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,300 there. I think we're both you. 1431 01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:02,900 And I have talked, you know, offline. 1432 01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:04,300 We're going to schedule something. 1433 01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:06,200 So I'm just throwing that out there for people that, you know, 1434 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,600 will try and have some kind of get together, live podcast, 1435 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,600 don't know what it'll be, but we'll have something in Vegas 1436 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,300 and hopefully something in Kansas as well. 1437 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,500 My More of a get-together than a live podcast. 1438 01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:19,600 Was, you know. Yeah, but we'll figure something 1439 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,600 out, but, yes, we'll do not like Hobbit have an iPhone hitting 1440 01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,200 record. Last time we did this, we ended 1441 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:28,900 up at a Buffalo, Wild Wings in Brooklyn, and so it's, yes, yes. 1442 01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,100 Hey, we get the manager. Gave us a good deal. 1443 01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:34,300 Like that was actually pretty worked out pretty well. 1444 01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:38,700 I wonder if that guy realizes how unimportant we actually were 1445 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,900 by, but he did that probably still is like, you know, we had 1446 01:14:40,900 --> 01:14:44,300 a big, big, big radio show from Bloomington and it is like now 1447 01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:47,500 the The like any way down also gave us like two bucks worth of 1448 01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:49,400 buffalo wings. Grip really wasn't like, we got 1449 01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,600 a huge deal either to Fair Point anyway. 1450 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,100 All right, well we will be back with more later on this week and 1451 01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:57,000 also next week we'll be talking IU basketball, have some guests 1452 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,800 on speak through that. I hope you folks have a 1453 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,900 wonderful rest of the day Scott. Thank you. 1454 01:15:01,900 --> 01:15:04,800 We haven't done 2 plus h, where the podcasting in a day in a 1455 01:15:04,808 --> 01:15:08,500 while before, so it's nice. But anyway, thanks don't feel 1456 01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:10,100 apparel. Be sure to check out the rest of 1457 01:15:10,108 --> 01:15:12,100 the back home network or somebody called do the work and 1458 01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:15,600 several other shows and We'll be back soon. 1459 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,200 We'll catch you folks on the flip side. 1460 01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,300 Bring back the Bison. So long, everybody.