1 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:09,900 You're listening to the back home network presented by home 2 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:22,400 field apparel, welcome back to Crimson, Cask ale and clavius 3 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,700 got Caulfield joining you here 23rd of October. 4 00:00:28,700 --> 00:00:30,700 Pockets of Indiana. Football today is the Hoosiers 5 00:00:30,700 --> 00:00:34,000 come off a loss last night or yesterday afternoon. 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,100 I guess it was to the Rutgers Scarlet Knights. 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,300 So we're going to talk through what that meant, how that 8 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:43,600 happened, and where we're at with everything and see where it 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,700 lands us, I guess. 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I mentioned on the preview 19 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:18,000 podcast your your Marshall hoodie which I know you love, 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,700 they've got more Marshall stuff now and I'm sure you're already 21 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:26,100 on that and they've got I bought a Big Sky Conference hoodie the 22 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:27,600 other day. I don't know why I have no 23 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,400 affiliation with. Like Northern Italy, are 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,600 Northern Arizona Sacramento State. 25 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,400 I've never been to any of those schools but gosh it's a really 26 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,900 cool logo so get over to home-field apparel, folks 15 27 00:01:37,900 --> 00:01:41,800 percent off your first order. If you use the code home Home2 28 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:44,900 gun that's home field. Apparel.com or on Twitter, 29 00:01:45,900 --> 00:01:50,200 Scott, welcome back. Scott has been in much nicer 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,800 surroundings than Indiana over the course of the last week is 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,200 he was on vacation. How are you doing my friend? 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,900 I'm doing great. Yeah, we're in the Caribbean 33 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:04,000 Turks and Caicos it was amazing. My lips got sunburn which kind 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,100 of sucks but no it was, it was fantastic. 35 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:10,900 And yeah I had a fun time. YouTube TV is not available in 36 00:02:10,900 --> 00:02:13,400 Turks and Caicos FYI. So I was not able to watch the 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,700 IU. Maryland game, does keeping 38 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:18,100 track of the score at dinner and it was like going great and my 39 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:20,600 God looks like we're going to win and then, you know, I see to 40 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,900 leave 0 and goes out and like all right, well this the sounds 41 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:26,000 pretty good form as you can tell with the score and then it's 42 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,100 like I put the Away like have a nice, you know, shrimp cocktail 43 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:33,700 and watch it, and it's like oh we lost and so it's like I I've 44 00:02:33,700 --> 00:02:35,200 actually not watched much of the game. 45 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,900 I used your pre-review podcast with Griffin is kind of my way 46 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:42,700 of figuring things out and I have a lot of thoughts to pull 47 00:02:42,700 --> 00:02:47,300 from that one, but yeah, it was overall is a great, absolutely 48 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:49,000 awesome vacation. Good. 49 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,600 Well, we're all we know you needed a break so, you know, 50 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,000 it's, it's, I'm glad that as it is weird, you know, I told you 51 00:02:56,008 --> 00:02:59,200 in the last One coming back. Like I we potted after the 52 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,700 Michigan game and then we haven't done as like it was only 53 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:05,100 like, you know, 10 days since we've last talk but it's like I 54 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:07,200 feel like we'll know where Seasons gonna be when I get back 55 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,600 because we'll have Maryland and Rutgers in our rearview mirror 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,500 and feels like I know where Seasons going now. 57 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:16,900 Not good. Let's go back to Turks. 58 00:03:17,100 --> 00:03:20,000 Yeah, no kidding. It's not the things are not 59 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,400 going. Well as I think everybody is 60 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,200 painfully aware at this point. But yeah, let's talk about it in 61 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,900 the air. Now one in four on the season in 62 00:03:28,900 --> 00:03:33,500 the Big Ten, three and five, overall, they lose their fifth 63 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:39,200 consecutive game on the season. And, you know, we talked back in 64 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,600 September, and I think many people thought we were being 65 00:03:41,700 --> 00:03:45,500 alarmist. About the need to take advantage 66 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:48,900 of winnable games because there weren't going to be a lot of 67 00:03:48,900 --> 00:03:51,000 other games that you could count on Indiana. 68 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,800 Winning if they didn't pick up, you know, the the low-hanging 69 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,700 fruit I'm not going. Say the easy games, but the 70 00:03:57,700 --> 00:04:01,100 stuff at the bottom of the tree, well, they've now essentially 71 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,500 failed to pick any of that fruit. 72 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:07,800 And now they find themselves staring down the barrel of the 73 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:10,200 we do, or maybe the gauntlet. I guess you could say of the 74 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:15,000 rest of the Big Ten season with a quasi reward against a Stoke 75 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,100 contending. But not as great as people were 76 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:20,700 thinking, they were Purdue team now that people thought pretty 77 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:22,900 was great, but they were, you know, going into yesterday if 78 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:25,700 they'd beaten Wisconsin, would have really been in a great 79 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:28,900 position. Indiana's in real real trouble 80 00:04:28,900 --> 00:04:31,700 and we have to talk not just about what happened yesterday. 81 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:32,700 We'll talk a little bit about it. 82 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:35,600 I mean I think everybody got a chance to see the game but 83 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:40,900 programmatically this this program feels drift in a way 84 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:47,200 that is kind of hard to Fathom given where it was just a few 85 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,000 years ago and what the trajectory of the program up 86 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,100 here to be and it just doesn't appear that that's actually 87 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:56,900 reality. So Scott, let's Talk about the 88 00:04:56,900 --> 00:05:01,200 Rutgers game first, so Indiana comes out and returns a kick for 89 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,000 a touchdown which I honestly, I'm sure it's happened with IU 90 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,000 football, Scott, but I couldn't remember the last time it had 91 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,200 happened, any kind of positive special teams play outside of 92 00:05:13,207 --> 00:05:16,400 like a field goal. Always seems like, just 93 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,800 something that happens to other kids, but never happens to us. 94 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:23,300 And then it happens in this and it was almost, it might have 95 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:26,100 been the easiest looking kick return I've ever seen. 96 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:30,500 College football, I think they got one arm on Jaylen Lucas 97 00:05:30,500 --> 00:05:31,900 before he busted out to the side. 98 00:05:31,900 --> 00:05:36,300 There was just nobody there and you know I two things came to 99 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:37,800 mind immediately. It's like wow, this might be 100 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,200 Indiana's day after all and be while Rutgers really looks 101 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,400 awful, like that. Like if that's the effort that 102 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,000 Rutgers is going to give, this is going to be a cakewalk to the 103 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,800 point that I might have hopped on some live, betting apps, and 104 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,700 dropped some extra cash on Indiana, that puts possible. 105 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:56,100 And then, of course, Indiana comes out. 106 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:59,500 They Yeah, really good. Defensive possession to start 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,000 Rutgers first drive. I mean, you know, it would have 108 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,300 been nice to have not given up the first down, but they stopped 109 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:08,800 them on the second series and then Indiana comes out puts this 110 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,600 long drive together, pull stuff out. 111 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,700 We haven't seen before there's option plays and there's good 112 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,700 like timing routes and you know, they're finding open, guys, in 113 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:19,800 the flat. And they're running for 15 yards 114 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,400 and it's like, hey Indiana put it together. 115 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,000 Yes, it's Rutgers. It's a weaker competition, but 116 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,300 Rutgers looked Ed like they looked like they were just not 117 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:31,100 going to show up and this is going to be one of those weird 118 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:33,800 games that you look back on 20 years later and I got in the at 119 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,500 11:59 23. You know, just it had that Vibe. 120 00:06:37,500 --> 00:06:40,400 At least that's how I felt where were you as all of that was 121 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,100 happening in terms of your mentality, very similar. 122 00:06:44,500 --> 00:06:47,000 Yeah, I can't remember the first time we had a kickoff return to 123 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,200 start the game, right? It's just like, wow, that I've 124 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,100 seen it against us, many times. Not, not us doing it, and then. 125 00:06:55,100 --> 00:06:57,700 Yeah, you know, the first He Is We Hold Rutgers you know do a 126 00:06:57,707 --> 00:07:01,400 six play Drive, stop them, we score, it's 14-nothing. 127 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,000 And yeah the way the plays were going you just had I remember 128 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000 thinking to myself like all right well this is why Rutgers 129 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,800 is the worst team in the Big Ten like they look really really 130 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,900 bad. You are run, is able to you were 131 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:16,300 actually able to get some movement on the run and get some 132 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:18,900 positive yardage and I we had a wild stretch. 133 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:22,700 We got back from vacation Friday night at 1:30 and we had a 134 00:07:22,707 --> 00:07:24,200 wedding in Fort Wayne last night. 135 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,200 So I'm like watching the first half and I'm kind of like, all 136 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,100 right? And Rutgers scores which is also 137 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:32,600 like at the time. It's like did he get his foot 138 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,600 down? Like I'm not sure. 139 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,900 It's like, it's like we're okay. Just using our timeouts 140 00:07:36,900 --> 00:07:38,500 willy-nilly but like any kind of review. 141 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:40,800 It's like we'll just, you know, don't worry about that. 142 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,400 We don't need to review a possible touchdown, but it's 143 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,900 like I left the first half going getting ready for the shower and 144 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:49,300 like being like, all right, we're gonna, we're gonna be fine 145 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:51,000 like this. This Rucker's does not look as 146 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,200 good as we do, and I'll watch the second half in the car on my 147 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,000 iPhone. And and then we just think it's 148 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,300 not, it's like it all stopped. And this goes to something that 149 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:03,900 I'm going to hit on later. But you know, something we've 150 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:06,500 talked about here many times, something you and Griffin 151 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:10,100 mentioned in the, in the review of the Maryland game. 152 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:14,300 We make no adjustments or other teams make adjustments that we 153 00:08:14,308 --> 00:08:17,100 can't adjust against. This is a common theme where 154 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:20,000 we've looked pretty good. In first half of games, you 155 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:25,400 played Michigan really well, we played the games that we've 156 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,100 lost. We've actually The first half's 157 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:30,000 pretty well, we played Nebraska pretty well and then it's the 158 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,600 only played Cincinnati. Okay and then it's like the 159 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,100 second half. We just we seized up and it 160 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:38,799 can't just be that we suck. We're not able to do anything 161 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,200 because the first five minutes the game we were able to do a 162 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,900 lot of things. This is one of the points of 163 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:48,000 like a real problem. With this team is we are getting 164 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,400 out adjusted every single game and it's frightening. 165 00:08:52,500 --> 00:08:53,800 It's different when it's Michigan. 166 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,000 You're like okay they have better seconds. 167 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,900 Ring players they have maybe a you know more experience 168 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:04,800 coaching staff. This is Rutgers this is anyway. 169 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,100 So yeah it's the last thing I will say about this is listening 170 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:11,100 to your preview to the game, you know, you're kind of dancing 171 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:13,400 around how, you know, Rutgers really doesn't have a 172 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,200 quarterback. That is you'll Big Ten Ready or 173 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,400 Not a Big Ten player. I'm thinking like wasn't been 174 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,900 trailed the same quarterback who put 33 on us last year. 175 00:09:19,900 --> 00:09:22,500 I was like, oh yeah, he was, it's like he wasn't supposed to 176 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:24,600 play like this, they didn't announce he was supposed to play 177 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,600 until yesterday morning. I mean, I That so pardon me. 178 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:32,400 I was looking at the everybody, the, I think Federal had passed 179 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,900 by the great job on that mispronunciation, you were up to 180 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:36,800 two so far with you today. It's great. 181 00:09:40,300 --> 00:09:43,900 But you look at the passing numbers have been Evans, Simon 182 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:47,200 pretty much the whole year you know who was a sophomore 183 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,500 quarterback? And so this was vegetables, 184 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:52,700 first I think full-time start and it wasn't like he played 185 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:55,400 great IV. Let's, let's not kid ourselves. 186 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:01,700 I mean he was Was 12 of 24 for 113 yards on the game is qbr was 187 00:10:01,700 --> 00:10:05,400 33.5. But point taken certainly at 188 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,700 least they had a guy who's played both varsity football and 189 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:10,300 varsity basketball in the Big Ten. 190 00:10:10,300 --> 00:10:13,800 I mean that you know Wonder Indiana couldn't compete against 191 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:19,400 that. But no, the game was it was 192 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,500 really, you know, and we've talked about this phenomenon 193 00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:25,700 with I you many times before we've unfortunately done so many 194 00:10:25,700 --> 00:10:28,600 of these. Game podcasts that, you know, 195 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,200 you there comes a moment in an IU game where you suddenly 196 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,100 realize that the moment, whatever the moment is in the 197 00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:37,900 moment, just could be like going out to get like milk at the 198 00:10:37,908 --> 00:10:40,800 grocery store. The moment is too big for the 199 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,100 team and the coaching staff. And, you know, to me it was it 200 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:48,700 was, you know, that was the clarity I guess kind of came 201 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:52,700 when Rutgers came down and drove down the field at the beginning 202 00:10:52,700 --> 00:10:55,300 of the second half. And yes, they only kicked a 203 00:10:55,300 --> 00:10:57,400 field goal. But it was like clear at that 204 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,400 moment that it was just a matter of time before Rutgers was going 205 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,900 to take the lead and Indiana wasn't going to have it answer 206 00:11:04,300 --> 00:11:09,600 and I don't even necessarily think that the defense played 207 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,600 that badly in this game it's this was one of the the defense 208 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,800 has better games. In fact if you look at Pro 209 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,300 Football Focus it was their best game of the season in terms of 210 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:21,900 grading. You know, the next closest good 211 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:25,100 game that they had was Nebraska which that wasn't that great of 212 00:11:25,100 --> 00:11:27,200 a game either. But You know, Indiana did a good 213 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,100 job of containing the passing game. 214 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:32,600 Not that there was much of a passing game to contain, but 215 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,000 they didn't. It wasn't, you know, as much as 216 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,300 there were some bad individual moments. 217 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:40,100 It wasn't like Indiana's. Secondary was just getting 218 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:42,800 shredded, and it really wasn't even like Indiana was getting 219 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,800 shredded on the ground. I mean, they let up three point. 220 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,300 Eight yards, a carry, which was not, you know, I mean, that's, 221 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:50,500 that's pretty good if you can hold a team under four yards. 222 00:11:50,500 --> 00:11:53,500 A carry, that's a good thing, you know? 223 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:57,200 But the problem was they just couldn't get off the field. 224 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,900 You know, they couldn't put themselves in a position where 225 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:06,900 they were, you know, able to just like, stop drives for 226 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:10,900 Rutgers or if they did the offense then couldn't turn 227 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:14,200 around and do what they needed to do on offense to keep the 228 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,100 defense off the field. And so I think what was actually 229 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:20,700 a relatively good defensive game was undone by the fact that the 230 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:24,900 offense let them down and the defense got tired well we've 231 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:27,300 been sick. It's like it I know it's a very 232 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:29,100 doing this over. No, no, I'm not not what you're 233 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:31,100 saying. It's like, you look at the drive 234 00:12:31,100 --> 00:12:33,700 chart, every game. You look at the drive, chart, 235 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,800 Lucy? Wait, wait, Scott Scott. 236 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,900 We have a segment for this, what is it? 237 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:41,000 Okay, come on. You see. 238 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,500 This was your big, you're big stick, like two years ago, the 239 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:49,100 recite the drives thing. Remember try to block it out, 240 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:49,500 right? Everyone. 241 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:50,800 Get your shot glasses. Ready? 242 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:53,600 Don't let me sit on, WE punch hole because you will die. 243 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:58,800 Yes. This restart recite the drive 244 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,400 chart got, it's so tiring. It's like so first one to touch 245 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,400 down 11 plays, 91 yards, that's a functional Drive 4 minutes and 246 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,400 20 seconds, the rest of hard drives, this is not even weird. 247 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,400 I've been doing second half step, just to rest the game 248 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,000 punt, punt, punt punt half. Well, thank God for that punt 249 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,200 punt punt field goal attempt. What you missed interception 250 00:13:17,300 --> 00:13:18,700 Punt. And most of those were three 251 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:22,100 plays, 40 yards or less it is this is actually I think more 252 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:24,300 informative. So yeah, give them credit for 253 00:13:24,300 --> 00:13:28,100 the 11-play 91 yard. Drive at the beginning. 254 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,900 But then it goes eight plays, 22 yards, punt for plays nine 255 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:36,200 yards, put 3-play 0, yd putt, six plays 28 yards punt, three, 256 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,900 plays 17 yards end of half where I think there were three draw 257 00:13:39,900 --> 00:13:42,400 plays called in quick succession. 258 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,600 There three plays - two yards pump to start the second half, 259 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,800 three plays 0, yd punt, three plays, five yards punt, five 260 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:54,600 plays 19 yards, missed field goal the a 52-yard field goal, 261 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,800 which included a draw. Call on Third and 16. 262 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:03,100 If you'll remember to plays - three yards, pick six going the 263 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:07,300 other direction, three plays - four yards, eight plays 70 264 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:10,200 yards, I guess they wanted to book end things properly, with 265 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,400 some nice drives. And then the end of the game 266 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,800 that is really bad Scott. Like and and I think it's worth 267 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,000 pointing out, but you can't see their Galen. 268 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,900 You're playing Ohio State here like a really good team. 269 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,200 You're at the Horseshoe. Oh no! 270 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,100 Wait you're playing? It's like, like, you're playing 271 00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:30,600 rockers a team that, like, by the way, we heard a thousand 272 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,000 times, the broadcast hasn't won a home game in, like, in the Big 273 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,800 Ten in a thousand days. So, I'm going to start cussing, 274 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,700 like, I'm just letting everybody know, like, it's probably gonna 275 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:41,500 fly out a little bit here and, and I want to thank 10, get home 276 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:44,700 game in years. So it's not like, you're playing 277 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,700 a bridge too far. Like, I mean, you know, I'm 278 00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:52,900 scattershot in here, but, you know, we look at 2019 2020. 279 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:55,300 I'm going to go. I want to go to this aberration 280 00:14:55,300 --> 00:15:00,000 talk in a But what made me a 20-19, what made that year 281 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,100 special was we 15 Big 10 games but we won four of them in a row 282 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,600 against Rutgers Maryland, Nebraska and North Western, and 283 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,500 then we beat Purdue. It's not like that year. 284 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:12,900 I'm, and I'm, that was a good year, but it's not like that 285 00:15:12,900 --> 00:15:14,700 year. We beat Ohio State, Michigan, 286 00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:15,800 Michigan, selling all the bitching. 287 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,900 We do about these tough teams, like, know, if you can beat the 288 00:15:18,908 --> 00:15:21,400 teams at your level and below your level, you can have great 289 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,200 Seasons like guess what we played Nebraska. 290 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,000 We played Maryland. Play drucker's this year like 291 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,300 these are all teams that we could be beating you know and if 292 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:34,700 you beat these teams you win five, big ten games, you go to a 293 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,900 nice we went to a Florida bowl game that year without beating 294 00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:41,600 any of the teams that are boogeymen in the Big 10 East. 295 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,900 It's like a tough tough schedule. 296 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:48,300 So it's it's wild that that is the drive chart for a game at 297 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:51,900 Rutgers where there's like six thousand people in the stands 298 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:55,900 and it is just mind-boggling if that's that drive chart. 299 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:57,600 Honestly looks like it could have been against you in 300 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,500 Michigan or Ohio State. Well, and I think it's it's even 301 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:06,900 worse when you think about this is a, it's, this isn't a Rutgers 302 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:12,700 team that in their last four games had scored 16 10, 10 and 303 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:16,600 13 points. They get 24 points against 304 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,500 Indiana. So I mean, it's not even like 305 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:20,600 they, you know, I mean, that doesn't have a huge amount of 306 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,100 points. But for Rutgers that's like 307 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:25,900 scoring 45, you know, to be able to put that many points up on 308 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:29,500 the Board and yeah, you hit on something that I wanted to talk 309 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:31,000 about. So we'll go ahead and transition 310 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,900 to that which is real quick. I will just say I joked early on 311 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:38,800 that like our goal as a team should be get out of the Matt, 312 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,800 Millen color commentary. God, think we need to move up 313 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,700 and you mentioned the field goal miss. 314 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:46,900 Well first off its like he's comparing the Rutgers running 315 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:48,800 back to Derrick Henry. It's like can you find a 316 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,900 slightly different cop from like a Heisman Trophy winner and a 317 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:55,900 lead possible MVP like Rutgers does not. 318 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,400 Have that kind of talent nor do we, but that missed field. 319 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,200 Goal the 53 yarder, I forgot who was doing the play-by-play, and 320 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,599 he's like, a kick is up and on its wide left, three-second 321 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,700 pause, and then Bill and comes in. 322 00:17:09,099 --> 00:17:24,200 He missed it because I had decided to go out 323 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,500 to watch the game. So I was at the Here in 324 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:28,800 Bloomington and I couldn't really hear the commentators. 325 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,600 It was, it was like a conversation like four tables 326 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,200 over. That was that kind of volume 327 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,600 where you could, it would pop up occasionally only and every time 328 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:37,700 it pops up. I'd be like man. 329 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:40,500 I'm glad I can't hear anything that's being said on this 330 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:42,300 broadcast. Yeah, we really I think it's 331 00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:43,600 right now. Indiana. 332 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,100 Absolutely needs to get out of the Matt Millen broadcast slot. 333 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:51,100 It's about as bad as it gets and it should not be to get naked to 334 00:17:51,100 --> 00:17:52,700 a boy like that to be our marketing for next year. 335 00:17:52,700 --> 00:17:54,800 Like let's get out of the map Mill and Spotlight but I got you 336 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,000 that we're on the right move. But I think you hit on the 337 00:17:57,008 --> 00:17:59,300 reason why they're not getting out of the mat, no one spot 338 00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:03,500 which is for all the complaints legitimate complaints about 339 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:07,100 Indiana being in the Big Ten East and having to play Ohio 340 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:09,500 state every year and having to play Michigan every year and 341 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:12,100 having to play Michigan State every year Penn State, whoever 342 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:19,000 the reality is, those complaints are largely kind of eliminated 343 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,700 when you can't beat Maryland. And Rutgers the two teams that 344 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:25,600 are kind of, they share your genetic material in terms of 345 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,500 football. All they're not recruiting at 346 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:32,700 high levels, they're not coached by Geniuses. 347 00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:35,300 Although I think Greg Schiano is a really good coach there. 348 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:39,300 These are the teams that if you are serious, about yourselves 349 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:43,200 and serious about being a good football program, you have to 350 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,500 beat those teams at least two out of every three times, and 351 00:18:47,500 --> 00:18:52,500 now we've seen Indiana lose two games in a row to Maryland, two 352 00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:56,000 games in a row to Rutgers and I think what's frustrating to me. 353 00:18:56,008 --> 00:19:01,800 Umi, is, you look at those two programs and, you know, Mike 354 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,500 locksley has, you know, he's been there for a while now, but 355 00:19:06,700 --> 00:19:09,500 it's not like that was a football program that you looked 356 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:13,900 at 34 years ago and said, wow, they're going to be ahead of 357 00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:16,200 Indiana with the trajectories like Indiana. 358 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,600 I would argue had edged. At least slightly ahead of 359 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,600 Maryland in terms of what they were able to do on the football 360 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,900 field and now it looks like Marilyn has shot. 361 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:29,000 Buy them entirely Maryland, sitting at 6 and 2 on the season 362 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,900 they're three and two in the Big Ten Conference there they're not 363 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:34,900 only on their way to a bowl but they could be on their way to 364 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:38,000 you know, like a like a the fifth or sixth bowl that the Big 365 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:43,000 Ten hands out Rutgers with that was a complete dumpster fire of 366 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,400 a program, they had zero Talent, they had zero motivation, they 367 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:52,600 they were not able to get out of their own way and then Schiano 368 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,300 comes in and takes them to a bowl last year. 369 00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:57,400 Now granted, they were were five and seven, but they still went 370 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,300 to a bowl last year. And I don't think they're very 371 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:03,100 good this year. Therefore, and three, this might 372 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:08,000 be the last game that they win, but they won the game and they, 373 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,700 you know, they managed to beat Indiana. 374 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:12,100 They've beaten Indiana, two years in a row, and you just 375 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:14,400 have to look at that. And you have to say, Tom Allen 376 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:20,700 has been here since December of 2016 and to to be in a position 377 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:24,500 where you've now lost twice in a row to the two teams that you 378 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:27,000 cannot afford to lose. If you were going to be 379 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,900 competitive, just raises a tremendous number of questions 380 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:34,500 about where this program is, you look around the conference. 381 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:37,300 It's like, if you can't beat Rutgers and you can't beat 382 00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:39,800 Maryland. You're essentially the worst 383 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,700 program in the conference, perhaps, with the exception of 384 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:46,900 Northwestern right now. And that's to me pretty 385 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:50,900 unacceptable, given that you are six full seasons into the reign 386 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,900 of the head coach. Like that has to be the bare 387 00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:54,600 minimum. If you're going to be at Indiana 388 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:55,800 like, okay, we're going to employ. 389 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,300 You and we're not expecting Miracles. 390 00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:00,500 We're not expecting Rose Bowls, but you got to beat Maryland. 391 00:21:00,500 --> 00:21:02,800 You got to be truckers. I mean, that's, that's like you. 392 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:04,600 There's no way around that Scott. 393 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:09,400 Totally agreed listening to your Maryland, postgame with Griffin, 394 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,100 you're talking about Illinois and the turnaround they had. 395 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:14,800 And you both kind of said, like, they hired Bielema and you both 396 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,400 match like, well, you know, I think BLM has a good coach and 397 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,700 then, you know, I, I hear it's funny listening to the, to one 398 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:24,000 of the post game that, you know, not doing a week of postgame and 399 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,800 then kind of stepping back and taking it. 400 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,400 Bottom and listening to it from afar so to speak. 401 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:31,900 You know I hear a lot of the same things you want are talking 402 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:35,000 about but you're kind of dance, not intentionally dancing around 403 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,400 it but you're you know saying you know this team has you know 404 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,000 bad scheme adjustments during the game. 405 00:21:40,300 --> 00:21:43,200 The team looks undisciplined at times and then you know we 406 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,200 talked about the development of the the lack of development of 407 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,200 some of these players. It's like those are all bad 408 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,700 code. That's all signs of a bad 409 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:53,700 coaching staff. Like and Tom Allen seems like a 410 00:21:53,708 --> 00:21:55,700 nice guy. I'm going to be rough here. 411 00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:59,000 This is a results-based business but it just is. 412 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,600 There are big Dollars around because it's a results-based 413 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,100 business. It's about wins and losses. 414 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,000 That's what we're here to do. And, you know, it's funny. 415 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,200 I see some things on Twitter. I'm not going to call people 416 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,100 out, but, you know, one person tweeted out who been tweeting to 417 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:17,000 the Crimson cast account. But, you know, IU has fake fraud 418 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,800 fans who expect the world while giving the program nothing but 419 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,800 grief and bitching. Every single time something goes 420 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,500 wrong. It's like like, you would. 421 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:27,400 I have said, I Want to be respectable, right? 422 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,000 I just like to not be the worst team in the Big Ten. 423 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:33,300 I'd love to maybe have a shot at going to a bowl every so often. 424 00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:36,400 And I also just gonna go on a rant here. 425 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,600 I also get really tired of this. Like, what about 2019? 426 00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:41,600 What about 2020 like those years happen? 427 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,200 It's like yes they did. But when you look at the history 428 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,100 of IU football, the last 20 years last 40 years, like you 429 00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:50,800 could say the same thing about IU basketball. 430 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,900 What about 2009-2010? Like we suck those years like 431 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:56,400 okay, those were a beret. Actions. 432 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,400 Like that's the definition of an aberration normally IU 433 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,400 basketball is good. It's not very good years where 434 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,800 we go over in the Big Ten and basketball are minimal in in 435 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,100 football. It's like 19 and 20 are starting 436 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:12,000 to look like aberrations. And for people who are like, 437 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,200 well, he can come out and did that. 438 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,100 It's like, okay, well, he's got to start fucking doing it very 439 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:19,800 soon again, because when you look at the history of IU 440 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:25,100 football, which is littered Litter with Bad seasons, coaches 441 00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:30,300 that have Furs in the Big Ten followed up by a one-year season 442 00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:33,200 with one big 10 win. There's not a lot of them. 443 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,500 Kevin Wilson. Did it his, he went over his 444 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:39,900 first year but then 12, Big 10 games. 445 00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:44,100 His second year, going for an eight, oddly enough, Bill 446 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:46,900 Mallory book ended his career, he started his career over in 447 00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:50,400 the Big Ten, went 17, the next year, but then did go to three 448 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,600 straight bowls and then he ended his career. 449 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,200 Oh, and eight and one in seven in the Big Ten and then was 450 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,700 fired. After everything he had done one 451 00:23:57,700 --> 00:24:02,000 of the best coaches of the last 50 years was fired after going 0 452 00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:05,000 and 8 and then one in seven. Well, Tom Allen, when towing 453 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,300 nine last year and is one, and for this year, and that, that's 454 00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:12,300 the thing that I have to say, is for everybody, who's like, you 455 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:14,300 can't forget about twenty, twenty and twenty nineteen. 456 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:19,500 It's like I haven't those were great years but you cannot also 457 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:24,000 forget 2021 was an absolute dumpster fire of a season. 458 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,700 The likes of which Indiana football hasn't In, which is 459 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:29,800 saying a lot because Indiana football has had a lot of bad 460 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,900 here. So you can't just write that 461 00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:33,500 off. And then, you can't just have 462 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:36,700 two years in a row, where you lose out in October, and 463 00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:40,400 November, and just end the season with a complete dumpster 464 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,500 fire or shit show. So to speak. 465 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:46,600 And it's like, so next year, I don't know how. 466 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,200 I don't know, man. Like. 467 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,600 Well, nobody cares have to its, I don't know. 468 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,700 But it's like, yeah, go ahead. No. 469 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:56,700 I this is It's a real difficult. the thing to get your head 470 00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:03,900 around, because I think a lot of people who have invested so 471 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:11,500 fully in the, how do I put this? A lot of people invest their 472 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:17,900 thoughts and their emotions in a coach as an avatar for the 473 00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:20,700 program. Forgetting often times. 474 00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:23,800 That those two things are actually separate, and I think 475 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,200 that you can, you can like the coach a lot from a personal 476 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,000 perspective. You also have to look at what 477 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000 the coach is actually doing on the field. 478 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,100 And I think you, you know, this was something that was talked 479 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:38,600 about during the offseason and it would recommend everybody go 480 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,600 back and listen to that podcast you did with, with punt, John 481 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,100 punt. Because they talked about this, 482 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:48,000 it's you can say, look, clearly there, were there have been 483 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,600 accomplishments, but the flip side is, there's clearly a trend 484 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,200 downward in terms of how the program is, operating. 485 00:25:56,100 --> 00:26:00,100 And I think that for so many people Who have, you know, so, 486 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,000 you know, quote-unquote hopped off the Tom Allen bandwagon. 487 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,300 It's because we've seen this movie before and what makes it 488 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:13,600 frustrating is, When you look at what's gone on since, let's say 489 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:17,000 since Bill winch was fired. And, you know, so take that 2010 490 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,400 season and look forward. Someone there was a there was a 491 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,800 Reddit comment last night I was reading that really summed it 492 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,200 up. Well you've watched I you kind 493 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,500 of Hit the nadir of the football program in the 2000s. 494 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:29,700 It was just weird to think about it. 495 00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:32,400 Really, kind of hit it twice, it hit in the jury dinardo, period. 496 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,600 And then it hit it again with Lynch. 497 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,700 We're let's just couldn't win games in the conference and they 498 00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:42,300 hire Wilson and Wilson wasn't perfect and they finish the 499 00:26:42,308 --> 00:26:45,900 facility upgrades and you watch this, I you team kind of slowly 500 00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:50,300 pull itself out of the muck and go from being a laughing stock, 501 00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:53,000 type of team who wasn't competitive, who didn't play 502 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,700 complete games to a program. That was a, you know, they 503 00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:00,200 weren't as good as the Mallory era teams, where, you know, 504 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,300 those teams were winning. Six, seven, eight games in a 505 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:06,800 given season, but they were, at least competitive in a lot of 506 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,400 games. The games were frustrating, but 507 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,200 they were entertaining. Ting. 508 00:27:10,208 --> 00:27:16,800 And it felt like to some degree 2019 and to a lesser extent and 509 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,300 I know it sounds weird to say but like in terms of a full 510 00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:24,200 season 2020, kind of that was the culmination of hey Indiana's 511 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,900 at this next level now and to watch Indiana tumble back down 512 00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:33,500 to the point where they are arguably the worst or second. 513 00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:36,900 Worst team in the conference is just, you know, for those people 514 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:40,500 that care about IU football, if you're going to give Tom On the 515 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:45,800 credit for 2019 and 2020. Like you said, who's who owns 516 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,200 20, 21 and 20 22 like it. Do we, you know, is that 517 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,600 decisions a get-out-of-jail-free card that applies for 10 seasons 518 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,300 because you get Indiana to the Outback Bowl or the Gator Bowl? 519 00:27:57,300 --> 00:28:00,800 Is that how it works? That doesn't work anywhere in 520 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,300 college football, and I think that your, when you look at the 521 00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:10,800 way that other programs, not just Illinois but Kansas state 522 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,500 is able to go out and find a guy that can come in and win some 523 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:18,700 games and, you know, you've found teams that aren't good 524 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:20,300 programs that aren't historically good. 525 00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,400 They don't have to be historically, bad all the time. 526 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,100 You can go find people who can build infrastructure that allows 527 00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:30,700 winning at a decent level. Maybe not the highest level but 528 00:28:30,708 --> 00:28:32,800 that's six seven, eight win range that we've talked about 529 00:28:32,808 --> 00:28:37,600 consistently and it's not like Indiana's like coming up. 530 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,100 Just short in these games where it's like man if they just had 531 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,500 One more player this year that it is a gradual D Evolution and 532 00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:47,300 happened. Last year, it's happening this 533 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:51,900 year where the team has one good drive or they have a couple of 534 00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:55,700 good series and that's it. And you know I mean like if the 535 00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,400 Rutgers game went on for two more quarters, we were lost by 536 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,200 40. Yeah no it's true. 537 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,600 I mean the the momentum had gone exactly the opposite direction 538 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,400 and this is happening over and over again. 539 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,700 I mean, it's the, the fourth quarter struggles, the, the, you 540 00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:13,500 know, they didn't have a bad first quarter in this game, but 541 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:16,600 they had a bad, everything else. They had a bad second quarter 542 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,700 and a bad third quarter in a bad fourth quarter. 543 00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:22,300 And I think I talked about this about this on the preview 544 00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:25,600 podcast, it's like this program seems to be incapable of 545 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,900 plugging a hole in the dam without three others springing 546 00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:33,100 up and I'm sorry. That is an infrastructure issue. 547 00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:35,800 That is an administrative issue. That is how the program is 548 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,300 built. I mean, I'm watching a lot of 549 00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:40,800 the discussion right now is centered around. 550 00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:43,400 Won't bail and will gosh, what bills offense? 551 00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:45,600 Why are we running this fast tempo? 552 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,300 You know, it's not working Indiana's not scoring and it's 553 00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:52,100 like there is no line infrastructure like the 554 00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:54,700 offensive line actually had a fairly decent day to day. 555 00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:58,000 And I say fairly because it's only in comparison to the games 556 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,900 that they've had up to this point and it's been terrible all 557 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:04,300 year and it was terrible all last year and hey it actually 558 00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:08,400 wasn't very good in 2020 either but you had a generational for 559 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,500 Indiana at least quarterback in there. 560 00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:14,700 That was able to make throws in spite of the lack of protection. 561 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,100 You haven't had a good running game and what three four years 562 00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:22,300 this is there's no there's no basis. 563 00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,600 There's no Foundation that this program is built on right now 564 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,100 except this vague concept of elio. 565 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,100 And I don't even like to talk about. 566 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:32,800 A lot of people throw it around is it's almost it's a kind of 567 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,500 insult at this point, for some people. 568 00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:37,600 It's a rallying cry, for others, whatever you want to call it, 569 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,400 call it what it is, which is not a foundation upon, which you can 570 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,700 build a competitive Big Ten program year after year and 571 00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:50,500 ultimately, you're right. It's a results-based business. 572 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,500 I would love Tom Allen to be successful. 573 00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:57,600 Tom Allen is a great story, Tom Allen cells IU football really 574 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,100 well to the national press, which is something that Kevin 575 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,100 Owen Wilson could never do but Tom Allen has not demonstrated 576 00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:09,500 an ability to consistently perform and look it's your 6 or 577 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:12,400 you know, I mean we're talking about its all-time Allen's 578 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,500 recruits its time Allen's coaches. 579 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,400 It's Tom Allens game plan and this program looks lost. 580 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,300 I mean, I was discussing with that. 581 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:26,200 Blast gun text yesterday is this season worse than 2011? 582 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:30,000 And, you know, 2011, was that season where they went 111 their 583 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,400 own? When was against South Carolina 584 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,300 state. It's you can't look at this 585 00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:37,600 season and say well it's that bad, they're not going one and 586 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,900 eleven but that team competed that team was like three or four 587 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,400 plays away from being 4 and 8 or 5 and 7. 588 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,400 And that team basically had nothing on the roster. 589 00:31:47,300 --> 00:31:50,800 This, this right now, as you said, I mean, over the course of 590 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:56,700 the last 21 games, Indiana is 5 and 16 over the course of the 591 00:31:56,700 --> 00:32:00,700 last 14, Big 10 games. Indiana is one and 13. 592 00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:05,000 And they're like, one and a half plays away from being 0 and 14 593 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,500 in Big 10 games over those last 14. 594 00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:11,400 For those who are defending Tom Allen and saying, stay on the 595 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,500 Tom Allen bandwagon. I mean I'd love something to be 596 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:19,200 optimistic about but, you know, there's, there's no, you know, 597 00:32:19,208 --> 00:32:23,000 there's like one or two really exciting, young players, who in 598 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,000 the transfer portal era. You can't even really get 599 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,800 excited about young talent because the chances of them 600 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,400 sticking around are not necessarily. 100%. 601 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,500 I mean as much as people talk about McCullough, it's like in 602 00:32:34,508 --> 00:32:36,800 the next breath it's always like well and we'll see him at Notre 603 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,600 Dame next year or will see him somewhere else next year and 604 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,300 look, I don't know that. I don't know what that young 605 00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:45,000 man's like mentality is, but it wouldn't be a surprise. 606 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,200 And I mean, the same thing could happen with Jalen Lucas for all 607 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,700 we know, there just doesn't seem to be an infrastructure, under 608 00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:57,000 Tom Allen that's working and that is really hard to square 609 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,000 with the idea that we should be still. 610 00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:04,300 Till like unquestioningly supportive of this coach who yes 611 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,900 accomplished a lot in 2019 and yes gave Indiana A Thrill Ride 612 00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:12,700 of the season in 2020 but football is about consistency. 613 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,000 Like you have to be able to demonstrate something. 614 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,700 All we heard Scott over the offseason was last year, was the 615 00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:21,800 result of bad apples. Last season was the result of a 616 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,900 bat, you know, bad chemistry bad mojo. 617 00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:27,000 And that there were guys that gave up and that those guys were 618 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,700 supposedly gone. And we heard, oh, the team has 619 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,100 Focus themselves on being good this year and that's the tenor 620 00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:35,700 of all the press conferences and everything. 621 00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:38,800 And it it just kind of seems to miss the point which is that 622 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,100 this program is not capable of playing 60 Minutes of football. 623 00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:45,500 And when you're losing to Rutgers and giving them their 624 00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:49,000 first home, win in the Big Ten in 1800 days, or whatever it is, 625 00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:53,000 when you are Nebraska's first win against an FBS opponent in a 626 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,800 year that doesn't happen to good teams that are unlucky, that 627 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,000 happens to bad teams and Indiana. 628 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:03,300 Is a bad team. There are bad program right now. 629 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:05,800 And the question is, how did it get to this point? 630 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,600 So a couple of all head-nodding agreement to all of that, I'm 631 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:16,500 going to pull a couple things out the back to the results, 632 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:18,900 based business for those who are, you know, saying we're 633 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:22,500 being too rough on Alan. It's like the first two years in 634 00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:25,800 2017. And 2018 when they were 5 & 7 & 635 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,900 2 & 7, in the Big Ten, there is very few people out there 636 00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:32,400 defending Allen this way, the Elio thing kind of got eye 637 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,000 rolls. It's like all right like this is 638 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,699 okay, another stupid slogan, like The only time that it 639 00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:41,199 became like were in on this that when he became, you know, the 640 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,800 cover of Sports Illustrated, you know, the sports art, the Sports 641 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,000 Illustrated article, you know, come play for this man is when 642 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,100 he went six and one in the big tent. 643 00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:52,400 It's like when there were results to go along with it, 644 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,699 that's when it all changed and then the result stopped. 645 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,700 It's like the results with with just a Leo and nothing else. 646 00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:02,700 Like that's the issue to your larger point about last year. 647 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,300 Yes, the whole talk was like, oh it's a couple of bad apples like 648 00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:10,200 The team didn't, you know, they got too big on the cells in the 649 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,400 offseason, you know, they didn't come in with the right 650 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,500 preparation. Like you pull away all of the 651 00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:19,800 coach talked. This is a team built on culture, 652 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,200 as we've said many times it's built on Vibes. 653 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,500 However, you want to say but it's built on culture and Good 654 00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:29,000 Vibes and Elio. It's not built on fundamentals 655 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,400 and doing the little things, right? 656 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,700 Because they don't do that. And it's very weird that last 657 00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:39,300 year is being Step 2, bad culture when your entire program 658 00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:43,700 is built on culture and it's not like it's your to where it's 659 00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:45,400 like. I got to get Wilson's guys out 660 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,400 of here. It's like no that was year. 661 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,800 What seven like this is this is your program after the most 662 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,500 success and suddenly the biggest problem is what should be your 663 00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,200 number one asset, which is culture fine. 664 00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:02,500 What is it this year? Yeah, they're going to more than 665 00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:06,100 likely lose out again and for everyone is like, Yeah, well 666 00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:07,900 they, you know least they want a Big Ten game is here. 667 00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:11,600 It's like the order of operations does matter. 668 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,200 The fact that that came at the first game of the season, like 669 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,100 it sucks a little bit for them, but it's also like it's, it's 670 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:21,400 going to be forgotten. It's like, I forgot like we're 671 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,900 going to lose out. Everyone's going to stop caring 672 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,200 and it's like what's what's, What's it gonna be this time? 673 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,100 Is it bad culture? Again, like you have more bad 674 00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:32,100 apples, you got to get rid of and then it's like then it's 675 00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:34,400 like, you know, that now it's a consistent problem. 676 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,100 Like now, next year we're not going to be good because All new 677 00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:39,100 players like this treadmill has to stop. 678 00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:43,200 And again, you talk about the dinardo era as this, you know, 679 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,800 awful moment in IU football, which I am not going to argue 680 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,100 with Denardo, never went over in the big tent dinardo. 681 00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:55,200 Never had a two-year stretch where he won one big 10 game. 682 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,400 We're going to be there like by quit, you know, me, likely very, 683 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,200 very likely unless this team can turn it around and do something 684 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,800 that is going. NG to be shocking. 685 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:09,500 And that's kind of what, where they're at and what they're 686 00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:12,600 going to have to do the last thing that I want to shoehorn in 687 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,900 here. Yeah, but I was thinking about 688 00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:20,100 this morning as well, is I absolutely hate the narrative 689 00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:23,200 that because we're going to stop here in a second, talk 690 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,100 basketball. But I absolutely hate the 691 00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:28,500 narrative that, you know, I you fans once, you know, once the 692 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:30,700 calendar turns to october-november, like they 693 00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:33,000 check out and they all they care about is basketball. 694 00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:38,300 It's not that it Not that it's two separate things. 695 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,200 A, our basketball team has. Historically been competitive 696 00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:47,500 fun to watch wins, fun games, and a good team to watch. 697 00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:51,400 So there's that and therefore has a requisite, fanbase, that 698 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,600 follows it. There are fans like you and I 699 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,000 who like IU football and then I start to focus on IU basketball. 700 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,800 For a very simple reason, like this season students and fans 701 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,000 have shown time and time and time again, when there's a 702 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,400 little bit It to get excited about. 703 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,600 They will show up and support. I you football look at Michigan. 704 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,300 This year the the students were there, the fans were there, they 705 00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:17,700 were excited, they will show up the fact that people check out 706 00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:21,000 of football has nothing to do with basketball. 707 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,900 It has everything to do with us being a shitty football team 708 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,900 like people, newsflash for everybody out there. 709 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,400 People don't like watching shitty sports, teams go to go to 710 00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:37,700 what Conseco Arab. Got us a game breaking Bridge 711 00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:40,300 Fieldhouse. Yeah people are going because 712 00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:41,700 it's kind of bitter. Like I want to see how bad it 713 00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:43,600 can be to get Victory, won bin, Yabba. 714 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,500 I can pronounce that up your face, people know, but up your 715 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:51,400 faith of your faith. Try not to cuss too much. 716 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:55,000 Yeah, you failed. I failed it miserably but it's 717 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,200 like people don't like to see bad teams. 718 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,600 Well, look at the Sacramento, Kings, I like, you know, that's 719 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,200 what's going on here. Yeah, like people, it's that I 720 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,100 say, oh, if you are, you fans caret basketball. 721 00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:07,600 I know there are A lot of football fans, they want to show 722 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,200 up. This team is just garbage, most 723 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,200 of the time at the end of the season and specifics, 724 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,800 particularly last year, and this year, and you're not going to 725 00:39:14,808 --> 00:39:16,500 see a lot of fans in the stands. And you know what? 726 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:18,900 It's not the fans fault, it's the football team's fault like 727 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,400 it is and they suck and they need to do something different, 728 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,700 but more than likely, they're going to lose out. 729 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,800 We're going to hear a lot of rhetoric and I will end with 730 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,100 this, the athletic department, this whole program. 731 00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:34,100 They boxed themselves into a very, very tough situation for 732 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:35,600 which I don't know what the answer is. 733 00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:37,700 But I feel like you have to do something. 734 00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:41,700 The trouble is you've already changed all your coordinators so 735 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,900 you can be pissed at well, but it's like, aren't we going to go 736 00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:47,200 out and get another, you know, Walt Bell like this. 737 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,000 You're going to hire the best coordinator in the country. 738 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,300 What do you do in there? And you can't just go through 739 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,000 three Queen for coordinators in four years. 740 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,100 Nobody was happy with Hiller great. 741 00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:59,200 But again, I don't think I don't think offensive line coach is 742 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,000 solving all of these problems. And, you know, let's put the Tom 743 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,800 Allen thing aside, whether You'd like him or don't like the way 744 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,700 that his contract is structured, he is not going anywhere 745 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:13,000 anywhere for next year. Yeah. 746 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,800 So you're going to have a team that loses out two years in a 747 00:40:16,808 --> 00:40:19,800 row in October, and November a team that has won five games in 748 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,600 two years. And you're basically going to 749 00:40:21,607 --> 00:40:23,500 have zero changes in the offseason. 750 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:25,800 Like I don't know what they can do and it's going to be weird to 751 00:40:25,808 --> 00:40:28,200 be like you know normally that's where you have some wholesale 752 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,300 changes. They're not going to have any 753 00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,600 changes so I don't know what they do. 754 00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:35,700 That's the thing, I think the thing that's the most 755 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,900 Troublesome. And I think everything you said 756 00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:44,100 is is absolutely on the mark in terms of the apathy towards the 757 00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:46,700 program. People want a successful 758 00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:48,900 football program and in the end this is what I keep coming back 759 00:40:48,900 --> 00:40:51,000 to it. Like there's this fiction that's 760 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,700 existed for years that people didn't want to invest time and 761 00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:58,800 effort in Indiana football because they were just like, I 762 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,700 don't know, intrinsically opposed to the idea of football. 763 00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:05,600 It's not the case at all. It's because I you football. 764 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,700 Does not love you back. And, and what's weird is there's 765 00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:13,300 all there's this Stockholm syndrome that occurs with the 766 00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:16,100 hardcore, Indiana, football fans, and I think we've all 767 00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:20,600 experienced those folks. Before, who there? 768 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,300 It's almost like a badge of honor that they root for the 769 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:30,400 football team. And as a result, They they look 770 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,300 at any positive result as like a reward to them and any negative 771 00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:37,700 result that causes people to stop paying attention. 772 00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:40,000 It's because those people aren't true believers. 773 00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:43,500 It's almost religious in a way. Now look I've been going to all 774 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:47,300 you football games since the early 80s like this was my dad 775 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,200 brought me into this weird almost. 776 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,600 Like I don't know what you would call it. 777 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,200 It's like an old-school like you know polytheistic death cult. 778 00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:03,200 You know, your it's it's it's not you know it's not one of 779 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,800 those that rewards you for things. 780 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,400 It's one that punishes you for not being a devout enough and 781 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,300 that's kind of how I feel about IU football like I shouldn't 782 00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:17,500 have to sit through ten seasons of losing football to be 783 00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:21,000 rewarded with like a seven and five season and a trip to 784 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,300 Jacksonville like that that that's not really a you lose. 785 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:25,200 Yeah. Where you lose. 786 00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:28,200 That's not really a vacuum and adequate reward structure. 787 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,000 And I'm done mostly joking about all of that. 788 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,800 But my point is very straight forward on this. 789 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,900 I think there is a market for IU football to be good. 790 00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:43,500 I do agree with you that. Unfortunately, I you boxed 791 00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:48,500 themselves into a corner with Alan, I don't totally blame them 792 00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:52,000 because if you look at when the extension was offered, it was 793 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,200 the spring of twenty one. You're coming off two of the 794 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,100 most successful seasons on paper and Indiana history. 795 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,200 You've got this Dynamic guy who a lot of the fanbase loves and 796 00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:05,300 who other schools are probably token. 797 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,400 How about a little bit say hey that guy would work really well 798 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:13,000 here and unfortunately you bet the farm on that guy. 799 00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:16,400 You you said we're going to put a huge amount of money down to 800 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,500 make sure that this guy goes nowhere because we're convinced 801 00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:21,000 that this is Mallory 2.0. I mean that I don't even have 802 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,500 that might have been close to the actual wording of the press 803 00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:24,900 conference. I know it was very similar to 804 00:43:24,908 --> 00:43:27,200 the wording that Fred glass used when he hired Tom Allen 805 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,000 full-time. And look it was a Bad Bet at 806 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,600 this point it looks like a bad bet it looks like a very bad bet 807 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,200 because what we discovered in Immediately after that 808 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,800 extension, was that there wasn't a lot holding up the foundation 809 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:46,200 of the program and to have seen things devolved to this degree. 810 00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:50,900 My big problem is it's not so much that I you had a talent 811 00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:54,400 fall off or had an important coordinator leave but they've 812 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,600 got this burgeoning pocket of young talent that they're 813 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,800 bringing to the Forefront and it's just maturing look at who 814 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,500 Indiana's playing in these games. 815 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:06,900 Look at the the top Tacklers for Indiana football. 816 00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:12,300 Like they're almost all seniors. Look at the offensive players. 817 00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:17,700 I mean, outside of Jalen Lucas. It's transfers and it's you know 818 00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:19,700 guys that have been in the program for a while. 819 00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:22,800 There's not this huge reservoir of young Talent. 820 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,500 That's gradually learning how to play the game. 821 00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:28,000 There's not this clearly defined system. 822 00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:31,200 You know, there's not a long time coordinator or two, that is 823 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,200 just constantly pumping out. Top level people, you know? 824 00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:38,300 Oh, and and you know, you and I have talked about this a lot 825 00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:42,100 strength and conditioning wise, you know, they had two really 826 00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,900 good guys guys that are now at, Alabama and Indiana, strength, 827 00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:48,300 and conditioning looks awful. They're constantly, losing 828 00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:51,400 people to injury. They're constantly again. 829 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,400 Like they were in the late 2000s and early 2010's. 830 00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:56,900 They look like they don't measure up physically to the 831 00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:01,000 teams that they're playing against and so my concern and 832 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,100 where I've really gotten to a point where it's hard to enjoy. 833 00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:08,800 Even I thought of the future is, if this was supposed to be the 834 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,100 bounce-back year to last season, which was supposed to be the 835 00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:15,000 huge aberration be well, gosh, we got a little too far out over 836 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,500 our skis and this is the recovery one. 837 00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:21,200 This is a very similar season to last year, they're scoring 838 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,100 slightly better than they've exceeded the 100-point. 839 00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,200 Mark in Big Ten play which they didn't do period last year. 840 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,800 They've done that through five games, but they're one in 841 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,500 foreign conference. And there's really I don't see 842 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:36,100 the foundation. For Success moving forward 843 00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:39,800 because as you said, they hire a new offensive line coach, let's 844 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,400 get take a couple years to actually get guys up and running 845 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,000 and get the talent in recruiting wise. 846 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,900 You're not going to be able to do all that through the portal. 847 00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:50,900 Tom Allen has taken over the defense and the defense looks 848 00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:54,600 worse than it did last year. Like what's the fix there? 849 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,400 Is he going to fire himself as defensive coordinator again and 850 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,900 put somebody else in? I'm serious. 851 00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:02,200 Like what's the answer there? Because if Alan who made his 852 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,300 bones as a defensive coordinator Fix the defense who's going to 853 00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:09,100 come in and fix the defense. If Allen's insistent on, we have 854 00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:11,800 to run my system. That's not gonna work, and I 855 00:46:11,808 --> 00:46:15,200 think we've already seen Alan, can't do both jobs at the same 856 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,300 time. He tried it in 2017 and 2018 and 857 00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:22,300 it didn't work and that's why he had to bring cane Wommack in to 858 00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:24,200 take over his defensive coordinator. 859 00:46:24,500 --> 00:46:28,000 I mean, it's, these are the kinds of things that really, I 860 00:46:28,008 --> 00:46:30,600 think if you're paying attention, and you're not just 861 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,700 along for the vibe of IU football. 862 00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:37,100 These are the The things that are making, most people not just 863 00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:40,600 concerned, but utterly pessimistic about the current 864 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,100 regime. And, you know, the one thing 865 00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:49,000 I'll say is that Alan is going to almost, certainly get a 866 00:46:49,008 --> 00:46:52,100 couple years to fix it because this, the whole, the cold hard 867 00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:55,200 facts of money. And I see people talking about, 868 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,500 well, if I, you, if I you Athletics really cared, they 869 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,700 make a change guys, 25 million dollars is a lot of money. 870 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,200 It's a lot of money. It is that is If of the 871 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,400 Athletics budget for the entire year and there's, I mean, 872 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,600 because of everything we've talked about, because of these, 873 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,900 huge deserts of lack of success with IU football over the 874 00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:18,100 decades. There's not a reservoir of 875 00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:20,600 donors that are going to come in and fix the problem that's been 876 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,200 created. And so you got to hope that Tom 877 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,100 Allen can fix it himself. And I hope he does because it's 878 00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:30,600 bad for IU football as a program for them to be this bad for the 879 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,900 program to look this disorganized for them to not be 880 00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:37,100 able to beat on. Nebraska or a Rutgers or a 881 00:47:37,107 --> 00:47:39,800 Maryland to be in a position where they're one of the two 882 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,500 worst teams in the conference. It's bad for business. 883 00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:45,800 I don't want to see it. I I wish Tom Allen would figure 884 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,200 it out but if he couldn't figure it out this year and at least 885 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,300 figure out ways to get his teams to play 60 Minutes against teams 886 00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:54,900 that probably heard worse than they are from a talent 887 00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:57,100 perspective. I don't know how that suddenly 888 00:47:57,100 --> 00:48:01,400 gets fixed moving forward. Given as you said, they've 889 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,300 already changed a bunch of stuff and it hasn't worked. 890 00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:07,900 Anyway, yeah, and I will know and I'll go on record. 891 00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:10,500 I was on record at the time and I'm not going to, you know, go 892 00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:13,500 back and change my feel like I thought the extension was the 893 00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:16,000 right move at the time and I still think it was the right 894 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,400 move to give Alan that extension. 895 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,800 I do wish retrospectively, maybe there wasn't as much guaranteed 896 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,500 money. That's kind of what's putting 897 00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:27,000 you in a tougher by now. But, yeah, I've made, Nebraska 898 00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:30,000 didn't want to fire Scott Frost for a lot less money, and they 899 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,000 have a much bigger pool of donors and football, I mean, I 900 00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:37,200 as much as I would love to spend all this money and I'm always a 901 00:48:37,207 --> 00:48:39,900 little bit frustrated, that, you know, Indiana isn't going a 902 00:48:39,908 --> 00:48:42,200 little bit harder on the, the coordinator side. 903 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,800 But yeah, 35 million dollars is a huge number 25 years but yes, 904 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:51,900 sorry 25 night it's a huge huge number that most schools would 905 00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:55,800 balk at like even major schools like Notre Dame, Alabama, like 906 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,900 I'm not sure they would cover it and Indiana football definitely 907 00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:02,000 isn't going to cover it, so they've got to figure this out. 908 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,700 But this is where I think you have to look up it. 909 00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:07,500 You No this is where this goes to the entire athletic 910 00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:10,600 department goes to Dolson. Like someone's got to figure out 911 00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:15,400 and I say this not joking but you know maybe you need to hire 912 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,700 somebody to kind of be, you know, a coach helper or 913 00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:21,800 something. Because right now, Alan feels 914 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,000 like he said, he's he doesn't seem to have any. 915 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,600 He doesn't seem to have any answers and this is probably the 916 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:27,900 thing answers. One in the thing that you 917 00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:30,700 brought up that a lot of people don't get is like he's doing two 918 00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:33,200 jobs, which were both full time jobs, he's defensive 919 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,100 coordinator, and head coach. There's a reason why both of 920 00:49:36,107 --> 00:49:39,100 those jobs are paid, hundreds of thousands and millions of 921 00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:40,900 dollars. Each they are big important 922 00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:43,700 jobs, is not. Most people can't do this. 923 00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:46,400 And you know, I'm big in be a fan, most teams that have a 924 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,900 general manager at a head coach that are the same person don't 925 00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:51,000 work. It's just it's very tough to do 926 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,600 two of these jobs and he's not, he's not capable of doing it. 927 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,400 So you need, you need somebody to come in and help. 928 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,600 Give some answers help, provide some guidance, you know, Alan 929 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,200 has made it very clear. He's not, you know, very plugged 930 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,200 into what's going on the offensive side of the the ball 931 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,500 and so maybe you know as crazy as it sounds, maybe you do 932 00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:10,700 change coordinators again. This offseason and maybe you go 933 00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:13,600 out and you spent you try and find who are the absolute best 934 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,500 coordinators. But you've got to, you've got to 935 00:50:16,508 --> 00:50:18,100 hit, I don't know again, I don't know. 936 00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:21,800 But here's what I will say, you know, this is something that you 937 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:27,000 brought up which I think is interesting in, in regards to 938 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,300 last year, in regards to this year, you know, 2019 2020 that 939 00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:34,100 the talk of those seasons is like we're moving up and we're 940 00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:37,300 raising the floor. And then just go to and 10. 941 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,600 And now maybe, you know, 3 & 9. It's like, all right. 942 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,500 Well, I thought that the floor was at least us getting to a 943 00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:45,900 bowl. And, you know, the thing that I 944 00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:48,400 always said with the Archie Miller era in basketball, that 945 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,800 drove me nuts is, you can't underperform for two years, and 946 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,900 then just perform adequately and be okay. 947 00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:58,500 It's like if you under perform at some point, you now need to 948 00:50:58,500 --> 00:51:00,800 over perform. And so, now, we've now 949 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,800 underperform for two straight years. 950 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,900 Like it was not supposed to be Ballgame ballgame and then you 951 00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:11,800 know yes and wins. Yeah so you know honestly I 952 00:51:11,808 --> 00:51:14,200 don't know how you're going to get there but it's like you got 953 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,900 to make a bowl game. Next year like you've got to 954 00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:19,700 make and not just squeak in six and six you might need to win 955 00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:21,600 seven games. You know I was looking at it's 956 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,900 not the best analogy but I was looking at you know Pat 957 00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:28,600 Fitzgerald at Notre Dame sorry at Northwestern because he kind 958 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,300 of has this cyclical like they're good and they're bad and 959 00:51:31,308 --> 00:51:34,900 they're good but it's like when they're good first off the 960 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,100 Pretty good. They had a run, you know, in 961 00:51:37,107 --> 00:51:40,100 2008. They go to five straight bowls, 962 00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:43,400 they win one of them. But one of the years they go 10, 963 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,300 and 3, and when the Gator Bowl and then, yeah, they're five and 964 00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:47,500 seven, five and seven, they're not that bad. 965 00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:49,800 Then they go 10, + 3 7 + 6, 10, and 39. 966 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,600 If I mean, he went to Seasons five and seven and they went 10 967 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:57,300 and 3, it's like, that's kind of what I'm what we need to start 968 00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:00,500 doing is like, if you have, if you stacked up now, five or six 969 00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:04,000 really good recruiting classes and you have all this, you know, 970 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,300 great Elio. Sure. 971 00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:08,400 Like I'm gonna be really pissed. If next year, they go like five 972 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,100 and seven, and it's like, oh well, you know, we're making 973 00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:11,900 progress. Like, that's not what we were 974 00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:14,500 sold. We were not sold a full-scale 975 00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:18,500 rebuild after 2020. The idea was, we're on to bigger 976 00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:22,900 and better things, which again, I'm not saying Big Ten title 977 00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:26,000 like bigger and better was just like, we're going to make a bowl 978 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,700 every of Music City Bowl, every year, maybe win one of them. 979 00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:31,500 And like so the idea of like next year, maybe we can get to 980 00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:34,000 four wins and two Big Ten wins like that is not good enough. 981 00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:37,000 Like at some point. Point you now have 2 over over 982 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,400 exceed, what you've done and I don't, I don't know how they get 983 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,100 there. It's funny. 984 00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:43,900 You said hope twice. I'm going to say it twice here 985 00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:46,400 to like, I hope they could figure this out. 986 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,200 But, you know, they have a, they've dug themselves quite a 987 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,900 whole and to your point. This is why there's not a lot of 988 00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:58,100 Indiana football fans as it's just it's just bad bad times at 989 00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:01,700 the last thing I'll say to your point like to there being an 990 00:53:01,707 --> 00:53:04,900 appetite for football like when you and I grew up in the 80s in 991 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,100 This whole area was basketball and like this was a Pacers town. 992 00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:12,700 I remember when the Pacers made the playoffs, for the first time 993 00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:15,600 they were flying. A flag above the time bank one, 994 00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:18,700 the bank one building, you know, it was all Pacers and the Colts 995 00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:22,000 were an absolute afterthought. What changed? 996 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:27,900 That was consistent years of success and winning but and 997 00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:30,300 Peyton Manning. But with that, this is now a 998 00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:32,900 Colts town. This is now a football town. 999 00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:36,000 The Pacers are the afterthought and it's all Based on results. 1000 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,900 But there is an appetite for football and good football in 1001 00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:43,000 this area, but you need to have good football. 1002 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,700 You can't just hope for it and then be too intense. 1003 00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:49,300 So yeah, I don't know, I'm I'm done. 1004 00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:52,400 Talking is not the on making any more points but now look I 1005 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,300 finish this. The one thing I will say to 1006 00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:56,100 close up. It's like there's there's 1007 00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:59,400 nothing about Indiana, that makes it impossible for it to be 1008 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,700 at least, decent at football as a program. 1009 00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:04,500 And to some degree, I feel like a lot of the people that are big 1010 00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:09,100 Tom Allen, Fans, they they lean on that old inaccurate Trope 1011 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,500 from around when Tom crane was fired. 1012 00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:13,300 It's like well if you're fired Tom Allen you're not gonna be 1013 00:54:13,308 --> 00:54:15,800 able to find anybody better that'll come at tiny foot Bots. 1014 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,800 That's like that's crap. I mean Washington State went out 1015 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,200 and hired Mike Leach and Mike Leach has his own problems with 1016 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,800 Mike leads you know by year three had a six and six season 1017 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,700 and then made five straight Bowls in the next six seasons 1018 00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:32,700 and that's you know and it's Washington State man that's not 1019 00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:34,600 that mean they've you want to talk about a program that 1020 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,000 doesn't have Natural recruiting violation or violation doesn't 1021 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,100 mean natural. Recruiting area doesn't have 1022 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,700 any, you know, any particularly large donors doesn't have nearly 1023 00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:48,000 the money that Indiana's got, they figured out a way to go 1024 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,400 hire, somebody who came in and was able to do what they needed 1025 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,200 to do to to build something sustainable. 1026 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,700 Not just to have a couple of good years sandwiched with 1027 00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:02,800 mediocrity on one end and Abyss on the other Kansas state, has 1028 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,000 figured out how to pull themselves out with similar. 1029 00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:09,300 Our problems and similar restrictions TCU, which is like 1030 00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:12,400 the eighth most attractive school to go to, and Kansas or 1031 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,800 excuse me in Texas, they've figured out a way to be 1032 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,500 successful. You're not Vanderbilt who 1033 00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:21,900 doesn't care about sports, you know, because they're this top 1034 00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:24,100 level Academic Program. Like there's, there's nothing 1035 00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:28,000 about Indiana intrinsically that makes it impossible to have a 1036 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,000 good football program. It's it's really about making 1037 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,600 the right hires And putting enough support behind those 1038 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,300 hires to make it work and look I don't think there's an argument 1039 00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:42,900 to be made that Tom Allen hasn't gotten enough financial support 1040 00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:45,600 from the University. I mean you could I guess if you 1041 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,300 want to make the argument about the Sheridan thing maybe. 1042 00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:52,300 But I mean realistically this is there's enough support. 1043 00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:54,500 There's enough financial structure in place right now 1044 00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:57,900 that this program should be in a better spot than it is right 1045 00:55:57,900 --> 00:56:02,200 now. And it's it's not a matter of 1046 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,400 where, you know, and A lack of gratefulness because we'll gosh, 1047 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,900 Tom Allen, 18 games, and then went six and one in the pandemic 1048 00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:11,800 year. It's like, okay, as you said, 1049 00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,200 you should be able to do that and then not immediately drop 1050 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,400 back to a to win season. Followed by potentially a three 1051 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,200 win season, that is not acceptable. 1052 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,400 I don't care who's the coach or what they're doing. 1053 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,400 That's not an acceptable chain of results. 1054 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:30,400 So, anyway it as we talked about A lot of this just feels like 1055 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,100 yelling into the wind and you know, what are you going to do 1056 00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:36,700 about it? But I do think ultimately, 1057 00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:40,600 something's got to be fixed and I don't know, I don't see. 1058 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,500 I don't see the route right now. I'd love to be proven wrong. 1059 00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:46,600 I'd love to see Tom Allen be successful here, but it's got to 1060 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,000 start showing up on the field. It can't just be in the press 1061 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,700 conferences and when you lose to Rutgers and you come out and 1062 00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:54,500 say, well, everything is up for evaluation including the 1063 00:56:54,500 --> 00:57:00,300 quarterback and it's week eight. Essentially going into a bye 1064 00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:02,600 week. It tells me, you don't have any 1065 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,000 answers and if you don't have any answers for the program that 1066 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:10,500 you've coached since 2017, and it's 2022, that is a real 1067 00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:12,400 problem. Yeah, it did. 1068 00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:19,000 Yeah the that bothers me because when I watch this team, the last 1069 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,300 thing that I think is like this is a counter base like problem. 1070 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,700 Like I'm not saying he's great, he's not like the best 1071 00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:26,600 quarterback in the Big Ten but I've never thought like, I mean, 1072 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,600 he's just making a, he's no time, he can't do anything, it's 1073 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,000 not he didn't have a good deed out of a good game against 1074 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,900 Rutgers. No question and and yet as 1075 00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:41,100 Taylor Layman pointed out in bite-sized bison, It's almost 1076 00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:44,500 been impossible throughout the rest of the year to evaluate 1077 00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:47,100 Bay's like because he's had no time because he hasn't been able 1078 00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:48,800 to do anything. Now if you want, if you're if 1079 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,400 you think. Okay, let's do Jack total out 1080 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:51,700 there. Let's do Dexter Williams out 1081 00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:53,100 there. If you honestly think that 1082 00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:55,700 that's going to make a difference fine try it. 1083 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,300 I would be shocked if it made a difference at this point because 1084 00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:02,600 ultimately the problem is not the quarterback. 1085 00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:06,900 The problem is the lack of depth at wide receiver, the completely 1086 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,200 inept offensive line in terms of Stanley blocking. 1087 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,800 I mean, there's so many other problems. 1088 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,700 Everybody wants to point to the quarterback and again, I'll be 1089 00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:18,800 the first to say basil. Act probably his worst game in 1090 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,800 Indiana uniform but this isn't this is a guy who if he was that 1091 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,000 he didn't get so bad leaving Mizzou that. 1092 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,200 These are his this is who he is. Now I find that really hard to 1093 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,700 believe. The fact that you take a guy who 1094 00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:35,500 was adequate at Mizzou but didn't measure up in the SEC, 1095 00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:38,100 you plug them into this system and he gets like three levels 1096 00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,100 worse. That should tell you a lot. 1097 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,700 What about the infrastructure that he was plugged into? 1098 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,000 And the fact that Jack Tuttle who's been in that 1099 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,800 infrastructure for multiple years. 1100 00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:51,400 Couldn't win the job, coming into the season, hasn't thrown a 1101 00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,800 pass should tell you a lot as well. 1102 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,400 So anyway, That'll do it for us on football. 1103 00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:02,000 No podcasts next week because it's a bye week and I think 1104 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,800 everybody needs a rest but we'll be back to preview Penn State. 1105 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,600 That game is going to be the first Saturday of November. 1106 00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:13,900 We'll see what that looks like Penn State big win yesterday, 1107 00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:16,200 kind of righted the ship, they're six and one right now, 1108 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,300 three and one overall in the conference and, you know, still 1109 00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:22,800 in shouting distance of Michigan and Ohio State trip up of doing 1110 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,800 something in the Big Ten East. So Scott is always a pleasure 1111 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,700 and we'll look forward to talking with all you folks later 1112 00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:30,900 on. Thanks, don't feel the Peril for 1113 00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:33,200 joining us. Thanks to our Brethren and 1114 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,800 sistren in the back home network. 1115 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,600 Be sure to check out assembly call as it's basketball season. 1116 00:59:39,900 --> 00:59:43,300 A lot of great podcasts coming up from them as we get ready for 1117 00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:48,600 the preseason games. What this week next week. 1118 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,100 It's right here. It's right in our backyard. 1119 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,900 Anyway, folks will catch you on the flip side. 1120 00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:54,300 Bring back the Bison song, everybody.