1 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,680 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:22,240 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:25,640 Galen Clavio, Scott Caulfield joining you on another 4 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,160 victorious Sunday for IU football. 5 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,840 The Hoosiers are four and O as they wax Charlotte at Memorial 6 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,000 Stadium. Yesterday we're going to talk 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,960 about that game and talk about where the team looks like they 8 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,520 are here at the third waypoint of the season. 4 games down, 9 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,440 eight regular season games to go. 10 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,000 And Scott, we again find ourselves in the position of 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,440 trying to put into words what we're experiencing with this IU 12 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,000 football team in a good way. We we've had plenty of seasons 13 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,320 where we've had to find words for things not going our way. 14 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,239 And it thus far, everything's kind of gone Indiana's way so 15 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:05,840 far. It's a refreshing change. 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,280 Yeah, I let's not talk about it as we'll just end the podcast. 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,280 I don't want to drink anything. So thank you guys for joining 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,880 Upland beer, home of home field apparel. 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,040 We're a little bit nervous. We'll just we'll see you guys 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,520 next week. No, it is it's it's I've it's 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,960 wild. It's not only good, it's that 22 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:27,040 they're confident and it really feels like there's better times 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,880 ahead with this team because it feels like they're really trying 24 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,560 to clean up mistakes and all of these wins are things that we 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,240 just haven't seen in a while. No, it's, it's, it's unreal. 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,960 We're about to hit some rarefied air. 27 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:39,760 We'll talk about with the schedule and what could be 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,360 happening. But it is, it's, it's 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,160 unbelievable. And I, I knew I was part of the 30 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,520 problem. I mean, our kids have like 3 31 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,560 soccer games this weekend. We could not make it down. 32 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,800 We're being down there next weekend. 33 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,520 So I had to watch the game on TV, but it was like a 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,040 second-half Signeti love fest. Like they were just showing all 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,920 of these stats, all of these clips. 36 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,920 Like his winning percentage among college coaches is like 37 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,720 right up there in the top. It was just like all Signeti all 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:04,800 the time. And it was awesome. 39 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,360 I was mainline, dude. It was fantastic. 40 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,840 I'll have to go back and watch that. 41 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,240 I'm looking forward to it. 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Again, who's your game day lager 94 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,800 by Upland Brewing Company Scott, let's dive into the fun. 95 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,160 Indiana wins this game 52 to 14 over Charlotte. 96 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,840 We talked a little bit, well, not you and me, but we talked, 97 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,880 you know, with other people this week about the idea that you 98 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,080 know, it's a good thing coming off that big emotional win in 99 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,840 the Rose Bowl that I you had somebody other than a Big 10 100 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:23,520 opponent to play the next week. Like it was really you worried a 101 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,200 little bit about a let down. You worried a little bit about, 102 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:29,920 you know, a situation where maybe the emotion isn't quite 103 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,400 there after as well as they played. 104 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,000 And that was kind of how it played out early. 105 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,920 Like Indiana looked a bit flat. Yeah, they they go out to the 10 106 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,760 nothing lead. You never felt like Indiana was 107 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,480 ever in danger in this game. But it did feel like kind of a 108 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,880 stodgy game for about the 1st 25 minutes or so of game action and 109 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,320 a little bit of concern, a little bit of buzz in the stands 110 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,320 when Charlotte scores to make it 17 to 14. 111 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,080 But then Indiana scores 2 touchdowns in the last, what, 5 112 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,680 minutes of the first half? And from there it's just off to 113 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,040 the races. Just a really, you know, after a 114 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,000 bit of a slow start. And Curt Signetti even noted 115 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,000 that it wasn't a it wasn't like a an awful start in the post 116 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,280 game press conference, but that they were a little bit slow and 117 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:13,240 maybe not as detail oriented, but a very professional way for 118 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,520 this team to address the shortcomings they had out there. 119 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:19,960 They put together a basically a complete second-half where they 120 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,360 scored 21 points and Charlotte scored nothing. 121 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,400 They end up almost actually they they've almost doubled them up 122 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,800 in total yards and and just a really nice kind of team 123 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,720 performance without a whole lot of great individual statistical 124 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,480 performances from this IU team. Yeah. 125 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,760 So two things off of that, you know, the the with Charlotte, 126 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,280 you know, if you take out their two drives where they scored 127 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:45,960 touchdowns, that's 150 yards, it takes their yardage from 1:56 to 128 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,120 like one O 6. So you know, you're and not that 129 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,680 you can, you can start cherry picking the stuff, you know, you 130 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,880 take this out, take that out. But it's like that that was 131 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,040 those two drives were kind of the outliers. 132 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,800 And then the rest of you know, when you look at the drive chart 133 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,480 for Charlotte, it's like 8 yards, 15 yards, one negative 134 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,240 2152, but then four -2 negative 437. 135 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,800 So for the most part, Indiana's defense held straight. 136 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,920 This had two drives where things didn't work correctly. 137 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,520 And then you you see like the course correction, the other 138 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,560 pieces, you know, in your preview podcast this week, you 139 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,160 were talking about kind of how interchangeable some of the 140 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,400 pieces are. And that's what I was thinking 141 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,480 about going into this game. And then as you said, like 142 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,280 there's not really an individual stand out again. 143 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,600 Do you know the the yardage for rushing is kind of all across 144 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,320 the board. The yardage for receiving is all 145 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,160 across the board. And and I don't, you know, I 146 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,280 don't want to be too hyperbolic here because it's like we are 147 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,400 just starting this out. But as I think back, you know, 148 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,720 it is, it's interesting how many IU teams that I can think of 149 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,040 that were good or not good seem to be built around kind of 150 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,560 singular stars, which is such an odd way to do it in Indiana 151 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,320 where you're just not going to get a lot of hot. 152 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,640 You you get some talent, you get some things that fall through 153 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,280 the cracks, but like IU football isn't going to get there with 154 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,960 like singular talent. Like we're not going to get the 155 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:01,760 Michael Vick. But you think back to like we 156 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,520 have the Antoine Randall L era in when you and I play when you 157 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,720 and I went there, it's like that's all kind of we had. 158 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,920 And then, you know, some of those teams under Hefner and 159 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,640 Lynch, like they were good. But then Lynch kind of got like 160 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,080 you have James Hardy as the receiver. 161 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,600 Even those Kevin Wilson teams that were good. 162 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,840 It's like Kevin Coleman or Jordan Howard. 163 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,200 You know, even the good Tom Allen teams, like you have 164 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,680 Michael Pannick's. And this is not to disparage 165 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,600 anybody on the team or to say Roark's not at that level. 166 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,240 It's just it is we're playing a system. 167 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,440 It's like everyone's within that system and everybody's 168 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,120 interchangeable and it it looks so much better and eat, you 169 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,720 know, so harder to stop, whereas before it's like, all right, can 170 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,919 we just bottle up Tevin Coleman? It's like, oh, we did that great 171 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:42,159 like that, That's all. And then, you know, even, you 172 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:46,040 know, you saw this under Allen where if somebody, you know, one 173 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,520 of those good players goes down, that's like, oh, we have to 174 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:51,000 fundamentally change how we're running our entire offense 175 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,880 because now we don't have the threat that was, you know, XY or 176 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,120 Z. It's just here kind of in a good 177 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,360 way. Next man up is like, no, we're 178 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,000 just going to keep running our system. 179 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,680 So I, I was struck by that going in. 180 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:04,840 And then during the game, it is just, it's unbelievable how 181 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,240 everybody's kind of able to do everything and not that we're 182 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,360 totally unstoppable. And it makes this team so much 183 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,840 better. And you take a step back, it's 184 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,040 like, yes, this is how A-Team like Indiana football and needs 185 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,520 to give. That's what Iowa does. 186 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:17,920 Iowa does normally have standouts. 187 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,960 They just kind of build a program. 188 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,040 And it's amazing that Signetti was able to do that with the 189 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,280 ashes of a, you know, 3 and nine team and the transfer portal and 190 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,680 and get it done seemingly so quickly. 191 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,680 He made a comment in his post game comments about how, you 192 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:36,680 know, he felt like the team, I'm paraphrasing here, but you know, 193 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:40,040 I kind of felt like the team had had really learned lessons. 194 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,480 He he made a particular comment about we certainly have a lot of 195 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,680 high character guys on the team, which is interesting because you 196 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:50,800 know, one of the things that we heard a bit during during summer 197 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,680 was there were some guys that maybe weren't buying in to to 198 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:57,440 the system. And it doesn't seem like that's 199 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,200 a problem. And you know, he he really seems 200 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,720 very satisfied with where the team is at overall so far 201 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,160 through four games. And, you know, obviously you've, 202 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,640 you've yet to play like a, a, a dominant opponent, but most 203 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,120 teams in the country have not played a dominant opponent. 204 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,120 And I have been really impressed with just how consistently this 205 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,840 team plays. I talked about this when I was 206 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,120 talking with Rhett Lewis a couple of days ago. 207 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,880 It's like this team just doesn't get rattled. 208 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,240 Now they, you know, and again, they haven't really been rattled 209 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,760 too much or they haven't played teams that would rattle them. 210 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,960 But even in this kind of a game, you, you find these miniature 211 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,120 moments of, of adversity. I hate adversity in sports. 212 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,480 It's one of the most overplayed things, but you have this pocket 213 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,240 where it's like, hey, we're only up three and it's the second 214 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,160 quarter and the Charlotte team's on their third string 215 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:47,840 quarterback and it's like there's no panic. 216 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,200 They just they go back out, they go down the field, they drive, 217 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,120 they score a touchdown, they score another touchdown. 218 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,880 And then it's like, what were we worried about again? 219 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:59,960 So it is it's, it is refreshing. It's also weird for us as IU 220 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:01,720 fans, 'cause I think you really bigger up a good point. 221 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:07,160 Like, so, so much of Indiana's history has depended on stars 222 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,320 kind of exceeding their their station in college football and 223 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,080 dragging the rest of the team with them. 224 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,280 There's only been a couple of circumstances where it's felt 225 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:21,080 like that wasn't the case. You know, the, the 2016 team 226 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,680 kind of felt that way in that, you know, 2015. 227 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:26,040 It's like, well, if Nate Sudfeld is not the quarterback, like we 228 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,240 saw what that team look like. And it was the previous year's 229 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,040 team that went four and eight, you know, and, and so I just 230 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:36,880 look at it and I say Indiana has always struggled to recruit 231 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,800 complimentary pieces, depth pieces, pieces that are, you 232 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,840 know, solid BS that you can plug in on both offense and defense. 233 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,240 And that seems like exactly the type of player that Kurt 234 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,800 Signetti went out and got. And I think the guys that stuck 235 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,800 around deserve a lot of credit because, you know, there was 236 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,280 clearly latent talent on this roster and it needed augmenting 237 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,080 by having new people come in. You know, it's just it's 238 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,880 interesting to watch this alchemy happening. 239 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,040 And it's interesting, as we talked about at the beginning of 240 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,920 the year, before any games are played, like this team finding 241 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,840 its legs, finding its identity. And I don't think any of us 242 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,080 thought, Scott, that the offense was going to be the identity of 243 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,760 this team. But I mean, the offense has been 244 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,000 incredible. Like what are your thoughts 245 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,440 there? I, I think the, I mean, I, I 246 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,360 think the defense has also been good, but no, I think the 247 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,760 offense has been unbelievable. I mean, you look at the offense. 248 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,760 Well, the last thing I do want to hit with your discussion with 249 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,120 Rhett in, in relation to this game too, is you. 250 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,000 I'm stealing your line from that podcast. 251 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,840 But you're talking about how like just how many times we're 252 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,280 going to keep moving the goal posts with this team where you, 253 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,600 you even, you mentioned, you know, like the, the the 254 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,400 competition has been somewhat subpar. 255 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,320 And that's that's the feeling. But it's like you go and look 256 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,120 and like, well, you know, yesterday UCLA is putting up a 257 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,040 real fight against LSU in LSU and they ended up losing, but 258 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,360 it's like they were up 1714 for most of that game. 259 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,440 It's like, all right, maybe LS the UCLA doesn't suck. 260 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:05,520 Like if they had, I mean they didn't, but it's like that 261 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,360 changes to me, the view, I mean of those games swap the way that 262 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,840 they happen. If we had that UCLA game first 263 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,400 and then we played UCLA, it's like going into the UCLA game, 264 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,840 like man, I'm scared of them 'cause they almost beat LSU and 265 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,600 LSU, You know, it it, it does feel like just the people keep 266 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,200 and I guess it is what it is, just keep kind of, you know, 267 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:25,760 minimizing everything that we've done. 268 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,320 But no, when you look at the offense, you know, I know I 269 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,960 always screw up the name of the game, but you know, like the 270 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,400 name, the chart name, the drive, the drives. 271 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,360 Come on. Drive and I'll get it in five 272 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:36,760 years, my memory will get better. 273 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,960 You know, you you start the game with touchdown, field goal, 274 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,760 touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. 275 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,160 And then you get a punt and by that time you're you're up and 276 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,880 you have backups in you know, the offense has been electric. 277 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,760 I think, you know I'm going to screw up the numbers we've 278 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,840 scored so far this year. We get the right one here. 279 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:02,000 We've scored what, 231 points 2. 102 two. 102, yeah, Sorry, 280 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,200 sorry, sorry. Wow. 281 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:10,280 OK, at 202, to give you an idea, like in 20 I had the wrong year 282 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:15,160 up 2020 the entire year and eight games we scored 231. 283 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,800 Like my wife was adding up like the last time we scored this 284 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,560 many points. Like in a season. 285 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,440 We've outscored seasons pretty close in just four games. 286 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,840 And. You know what The thing is for 287 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,360 as electric, we can come back to the offense as electric as it's 288 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,320 been and how it's been so spread out everywhere, I still kind of 289 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,400 feel like the the calling card of this team might be the 290 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,000 defense because the defense has also been really good. 291 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,640 You know, you give up 14 to Charlotte, that's not awesome. 292 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,400 But you know, you look around college football, you know, Ohio 293 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,040 State beat Marshall 49 to 14. No one's like, Oh my God, does 294 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,880 Ohio State have problems like this is I continue to always go 295 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,760 back like these are the kinds of scores and games and the way 296 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,640 things look when a team is really, really good, you know, 297 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,160 and you know, I mean, Penn State won 56 to nothing Like that's a 298 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,040 a bit of that, but we had one like that too. 299 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,920 That was Kent State. That was, you know, we had a 77 300 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,800 to 3. But it's like I look at that 301 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,320 Ohio State Marshall game. It's just like it. 302 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,360 These are scores like other teams are going to get some 303 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,560 stuff done. But no, I the the offense has 304 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,960 been unbelievable. And again, you know, Curtis 305 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,880 Rourke is awesome. He really stirs it. 306 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,400 And if he wasn't there, I think it would not work as well. 307 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,200 But that's that's life in football, man. 308 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,520 Like you need a quarterback and that's just the way things go. 309 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,200 But everything else, it feels like it really is anybody's a 310 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,160 threat at any time and there really is this push and pull. 311 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,960 But I haven't felt with IU football in years even, you 312 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,920 know, under Wilson, it was always kind of running was the 313 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,880 attack. And then under Alan it was 314 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,280 definitely throwing was the attack. 315 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,800 This is the first time where it feels like, you know, with UCLA 316 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,440 they were stopping the run. It's like fine, we'll we'll 317 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,280 start passing. And then this gaming of Charles 318 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,120 feel like they opened up a lot of the passing plays and a lot 319 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,400 of that. And it's like, but we still have 320 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,120 this run that can come in and average 4 yards of carry. 321 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,680 It feels very multidimensional, of which I I can't remember the 322 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,480 last time I felt like Indiana really had that going. 323 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,800 I know to give you an example, you and the listeners, an 324 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,040 example of some of the stat breakdowns that are really 325 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,400 fascinating. So you mentioned like so far 326 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,560 this season, Indiana has scored 202 points and they've allowed 327 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,120 37. Last year through four games, 328 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,680 Indiana scored 87 points and it surrendered 78. 329 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,200 Through 4 games 2022, Indiana scored 115 points but had given 330 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,200 up 117. So, you know, the the again, I 331 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,920 don't know what to do with all this competence through four 332 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,680 games. Through four games, Indiana has 333 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,480 scored 18 running touchdowns or 18 rushing touchdowns, depending 334 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:37,680 on what you want to say. So the. 335 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:38,680 Year, we didn't score any of them. 336 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,760 Remember that year in the Big 10 we were like keeping track of? 337 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,320 That well, hold on. So 18 touchdowns on the ground 338 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,760 through four games last year through through the entire 12 339 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,680 games, Indiana scored 13 touchdowns on the ground. 340 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,920 The previous year, they scored 15 touchdowns on the ground the 341 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,960 previous year, 2021, they scored 13. 342 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,600 Like you got to go back to 2019 to have a whole season where 343 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,480 Indiana scored that much on the ground. 344 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,000 They had 24 rushing touchdowns in 2019 feels like. 345 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,720 We're going to break that in two games. 346 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,599 So, you know, you just, and everything that you look at or 347 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:13,760 everything I've seen so far has really just the, the difference 348 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,280 that we're seeing in terms of how well Indiana's playing and 349 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,160 what they've been able to do so far really on both sides of the 350 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,560 ball is it's just, it's again, it's one of those where it's 351 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,000 hard to get your head wrapped around it. 352 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,680 And yeah, the, the, the goal posts moving. 353 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,720 I get it. We're kind of pre programmed as 354 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,320 IU football observers and fans to keep thinking that what we're 355 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,840 being shown is in some way fraudulent because there have 356 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,560 been situations like that in the past. 357 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,760 But you know, what I would say is that we, you know, when you 358 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,200 point to other programs and you're looking at, you know, 359 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,160 the, oh, this team's for an hour, this team's, you know, 360 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,240 played really well, It's like, well, your team's doing the same 361 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,120 thing against the same type of competition and, and, and 362 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:56,120 arguably doing it better. I mean, you know, I think 363 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:59,360 Indiana was the first FBS team to eclipse the 200 points scored 364 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:02,680 mark of any team in FBS this year. 365 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,440 That's the kind of thing that you need to take into account. 366 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,160 You know, it's fine to say, well, let's, let's see what 367 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,320 Indiana does against like big level competition. 368 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,560 But frankly, when you look at the schedule, there aren't a 369 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,200 whole lot of teams like that. And if Indiana wins, you know, 370 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:22,280 891011 games and then loses one game against a good opponent, 371 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:23,600 that doesn't mean that they weren't good. 372 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,800 It just means that, you know, OK, they maybe they're in, 373 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,880 they're in an echelon now where you don't have to keep making 374 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,520 excuses or finding ways to not enjoy what's happening. 375 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,840 My message in all of this to myself, to you, to the people 376 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:40,240 listening is enjoy this because this is such a rare set of 377 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,320 occurrences to watch IU football being this dominant in in all 378 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,760 phases of the game. I mean, we we may not see 379 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,720 something like this again for another decade. 380 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,200 So I would just say enjoy while you can, regardless of what the 381 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,000 competition level is in your mind. 382 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,720 Again, I agree a million percent. 383 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,800 Like I was thinking back to like, you know, the was the 95 384 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,280 Northwestern team that went to the first team for them to go to 385 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,760 the Rose Bowl in years. You know, do you remember where 386 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,560 their strength of schedule was in the Big 10 last season? 387 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,640 Like, no, like you remember they went to the Rose Bowl and they 388 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,280 had a fantastic season and it kick started things and you went 389 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,720 from there. And I mean that this is what 390 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,240 I've been telling people who can give me that schedule talk is 391 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,000 just it's like, who cares? Like, hey, don't. 392 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,760 Care at this point. I put this on Twitter last 393 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,760 night. If Indiana was Michigan, if 394 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,600 everything was the same, the performances were the same, 395 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,320 everything. It was Michigan's uniforms on 396 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,080 Indiana's bodies. They would be a national. 397 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,040 Championship, they would be ranked like, yeah, they would be 398 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,400 ranked. I said ranked 9th. 399 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,000 They'd probably be ranked higher than that. 400 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,520 Like, that is, yeah, this is how football works. 401 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,640 And and IU has been kind of on the bottom of the barrel for so 402 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,040 long, like fighting and clawing to get to a point where they're 403 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,160 playing really well. And I mean, we saw like, you 404 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,480 know, Nebraska's a great example. 405 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,400 I put a kind of, it was, it was kind of a joke post earlier up 406 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,600 this week. But it's like, well, compare 407 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,840 what Nebraska's done and compare what Indiana's done in terms of 408 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,800 the quality of the opponent, the the level of the victories, in 409 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,680 terms of margin, the way that they played. 410 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,000 Like, there's really no argument going into this week for 411 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,720 Nebraska to be ranked and Indiana not to be ranked, other 412 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,120 than Nebraska has a brand that voters are dying to rank and 413 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:16,720 Indiana everybody is suspicious of because Indiana is Indiana. 414 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,120 Now Nebraska turns around and loses at home to Illinois. 415 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:24,200 I mean, will they still be receiving votes? 416 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,080 Probably will. I mean, if Indiana were to do 417 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,280 the same thing, they probably would drop completely out of the 418 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,760 poll and never be seen again. On the one hand, I don't care 419 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,400 about those things and I'm and I'm not really worried about it. 420 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,960 But I did want to note that if you're, you know, don't grade 421 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,480 your own team on a curve, Indiana fans like don't, don't 422 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,560 grade your own team based upon this perception that they're not 423 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,520 achieving something when the, the, the, the salutes that we 424 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,480 give to other teams who are three and O, four and O having 425 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,400 these good statistical performances are coming against 426 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,680 the exact same types of opponents in most cases. 427 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,320 So just give, give yourself some grace if you're an IU football 428 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,240 fan and give your program some grace as well. 429 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,640 Well, it's also been so long that we've had a schedule like 430 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,520 this where we're playing a full big 10 schedule and it it, it 431 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,000 still looks like smooth sailing for quite a long time. 432 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,200 Like you keep saying, you know, top level opponents and you look 433 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,640 at our schedule like I don't know where that is. 434 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,240 Like, I mean, it's definitely Ohio State. 435 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,800 It's probably still Michigan. They they look like they have 436 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,760 some life left outside of that it it doesn't look like there's 437 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,400 a lot of teams that, you know, would be favored to beat 438 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,520 Indiana. And I think that's also what's 439 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,720 at play here is people are so useless. 440 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,600 Oh, you get the big 10. It's just it's brutal. 441 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,480 It's like, well, it can be, but every so often that the chips 442 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,800 can fall in such a way where it's not brutal and it's not 443 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,280 brutal this year. I think your point about, you 444 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,120 know, the uniforms is totally, totally valid because I continue 445 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:44,680 to go back to saying that, you know, like the way we beat UCLA, 446 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,360 that's what a good team does. The way we just beat Charlotte, 447 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:50,520 like it's almost the exact same score as Ohio State had this 448 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,120 weekend. But everyone's going to view it 449 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:53,760 differently. But I I am with you. 450 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:55,840 You know what this team is doing. 451 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,200 It's very Workman like. You hear the way Signeti talks 452 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,760 about it and it's exactly the way I want my coach to to talk. 453 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,480 You know, he in both the halftime interview and the post 454 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,480 game on TV broadcast, it was like, you know, at halftime he's 455 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,760 like, man, we got some things to work on. 456 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,840 Like, you know, it's all right, but we're we got a lot to work. 457 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,480 Even after the game, he's like, hey, it's OK. 458 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,720 Like that wasn't great. We had the two drives we lost. 459 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,680 Like it, it is very, you know, I'm striving for perfection and 460 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,440 I'm not super happy with where we're at. 461 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,160 I'm not going to be excited about it. 462 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,360 And that's that's also a place we haven't been in a while. 463 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,240 You know, the, the rarefied air that I'm I'm looking at is, you 464 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,400 know, it's wild to think this the last time we had a 5 and O 465 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,800 start. And you know, we've played 466 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,520 hundreds of seasons and a lot of those seasons we've played 467 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,280 garbage opponents, good opponents. 468 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,520 You know, I know that you know the answer to this. 469 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:47,960 But Galen, I'll just ask you this. 470 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,760 How many seasons in the history of Indiana football has Indiana 471 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,800 gone 5 and O? Oh geez, I'd actually believe it 472 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,320 or not. I don't know this one off the 473 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:05,000 top of my head, but I'm going to guess that it's like Four 474 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,160 Seasons in history. So I, and if I'm wrong, I, I was 475 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,160 scanning through the the data pretty quickly this morning. 476 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:20,040 I have 371945 and in 1910 and like I didn't do the math. 477 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,720 There's probably more seasons than not that we haven't won 478 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,560 five games. Hard stop. 479 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,360 Like no, no starts. Like that is what you know, this 480 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:32,360 is where it's like, OK, you can talk all you want about soft 481 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:35,160 schedules and bad teams. Like we've played, you know, 482 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:36,880 division two or whatever it's called now. 483 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,200 Like every year we've played a lot of, you know, there's been a 484 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,440 lot of years we've had soft schedules that that's over 100 485 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,240 years of football. To be doing something only for 486 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,440 the 4th time is pretty unbelievable. 487 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,480 And that's what's the precipice that we have right now is having 488 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,520 a 5 and a start, which is like, that's where it's like, all 489 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,200 right, we're doing something that's only been done 4 times. 490 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,200 You can't just start saying like, Oh well, this and that. 491 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,800 Like no, like every year there's all those, all those things are 492 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,560 still there. And we have been able to do this 493 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,360 for so long, we are really in kind of rarefied territory, 494 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:09,160 which is kind of wild to think. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking 495 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,040 through and I, I think you've nailed it. 496 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,920 I there was one season and it doesn't count 'cause it wasn't 5 497 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,000 and O, but in 88 they went five O and one in their first six 498 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,280 games, but they were four O and one in their first five, which 499 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,440 again, a a tie is not a victory. I learned that in math class at 500 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:24,920 one point. I'm. 501 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,760 Thinking like 02020's got to be in there. 502 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,480 It's like, no, they were four and O and then lost to Ohio 503 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,040 State. Yeah, So, so, yeah, that's I, I 504 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,240 think that's the message, you know, from, from me and and 505 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,320 certainly from you. It's just like there's a chance 506 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,240 to do something really extraordinary here. 507 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,160 And, and look, the, the, the competition does ramp up. 508 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,760 This is a different level Signetni rightly talked about in 509 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,600 his post game press conference. Like we've got to maintain 510 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,720 focus, you know, can't avoid, can't afford distractions at 511 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,640 this point. We've got to maintain focus. 512 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,720 And that's going to be ultimately kind of the message 513 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,200 here over these next few games, you know, and and this next game 514 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,440 against Maryland is going to be a really fascinating one because 515 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,160 they're two teams that look relatively even in terms of the 516 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,360 statistics. You know, Maryland has been fine 517 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,400 so far this season. You know, they've, they've, 518 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,160 they've been, they, they obviously they had that loss at 519 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,040 home against Michigan State, but they, they bounced back and 520 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,480 played really well on the road against what I think is a decent 521 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,160 Virginia team, you know, but they, they have not been as 522 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,120 dominant as Indiana has so far. And so it'll be a really 523 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,320 interesting case 'cause as we talked about with that UCLA 524 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,200 game, and as we saw with UCLA, you know, in this game against 525 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,840 LSU this week, like that's, that's not a, a complete 526 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,960 dumpster fire of an LSU of a UCLA team. 527 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:48,040 Like they have talent, they can play hard, You know, So what I'm 528 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,160 really fascinated with is like, OK, now you've got a group of 529 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,400 guys on this IU team who have demonstrated that they can play 530 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,080 at a high level and they've been able to maintain a focus and a 531 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,160 consistency in all of these games so far. 532 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,640 Like the one exception is the first game, the FIU game, which 533 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,440 is you go back and you think about it, you're almost 534 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,240 disappointed that they didn't win by more. 535 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,000 But it was clear at that point, I think. 536 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,080 And you and I talked about this even in the post game press 537 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,200 conference for that one, that this team was trying to figure 538 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,680 some things out about itself. And they really do look like 539 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,760 they figured out even more like this game will look like a, a, a 540 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,160 team that after they got over some early struggles, really was 541 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,120 hitting on all cylinders. And I'm really excited about the 542 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:32,840 fact that there, as we've talked about many times, there does 543 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,040 appear to be a another plateau that this team can hit. 544 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,960 You know, they've been they've they've been very effective. 545 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,560 They haven't used a whole lot of the passing game. 546 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,760 They used it in the UCLA game, but they've reverted back to the 547 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,080 run when they've needed it. They've got this kind of 548 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,840 rotating committee of backs that seem to do very well. 549 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,640 They have a central figure in defense and Aiden Fisher who's 550 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,560 leading the team in tackles. But then they've got like a 551 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,840 bunch of guys who are right behind who have done a really 552 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,760 good job. And you know, I think overall as 553 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,840 as this IU team continues to hone itself and starts to get 554 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,480 against better competition, it really is going to be about a 555 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,520 focus thing at this point. Because on paper, both in terms 556 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,280 of the talent levels and in terms of the results, their next 557 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,240 4 opponents, you know, Maryland is next week, Northwestern the 558 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,240 week after that, and then Nebraska and Washington in 559 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,200 back-to-back weeks. It's all, they're all winnable. 560 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,080 They're not. They like the the I watched that 561 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,280 whole Nebraska game like that is not an unbeatable Nebraska team, 562 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,640 as Illinois very deftly showed. And that's going to be in 563 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,520 Memorial Stadium. It is going to take one. 564 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,920 More of that the at at Michigan State after Washington. 565 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,360 So like, yeah, so. So now, will Indiana win all of 566 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:44,000 those games? I don't know. 567 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,480 They could. And that, I mean, and if you 568 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,840 look at what the computers look at, again, they're going to 569 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,520 project Indiana to win all five of those games, which is pretty 570 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,600 wild to think about. And you know, Indiana football, 571 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,520 I mean, you look right now Indiana. 572 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,720 So Bill Connolly just updated his S&P Plus rankings. 573 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,680 Indiana's 30th in S&P Plus now after four weeks. 574 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,480 And this is a team that started in, what, the 80s, right? 575 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,520 And this is still at a point where some of the yet last 576 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,400 year's stuff is still being factored in. 577 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,480 You know, so it's a tight, like, it's a very tight world in 578 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,440 college football right now. But if you look at Indiana, 579 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,720 they're ranked 43rd in offensive S&P Plus, they're 33rd in 580 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,640 defensive S&P Plus, and they're 6th in special teams, largely 581 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,440 because they haven't used the special teams. 582 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,840 And when they do have to use them, they've got really good 583 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,560 guys out there to do it, whether that's James James Evans or 584 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,240 whether that's the kicking group. 585 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,480 And you know, you look up, you look up and down at this point, 586 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,360 like Indiana looks like one of the more balanced teams that's 587 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,640 out there. And that is going to, I think 588 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,240 play very well. Like if you look at the combo of 589 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,320 them and Maryland coming into this next week, what's 590 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,200 interesting is like Maryland is is not that far away in terms of 591 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,160 their S&P plus ranking. I think Maryland is like 35th. 592 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,440 So they're right behind IU, but they're a couple of points below 593 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,600 them in the ranking. Their offense is only 65th in 594 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,800 the country. Their defense is 28th. 595 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,800 So the defense is slightly better, but their offense is 596 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,000 worse. Like that's the kind of balance 597 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,600 that Indiana's going to be able to strike. 598 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,480 I think moving forward will really serve them well because 599 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,400 they're not going to lean too much on one or another phase of 600 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,800 the game, which, you know, you go back Scott, to some of the 601 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,360 previous years, you know, those Kevin Wilson teams lean so 602 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,960 heavily on their offense to do everything and kind of carry the 603 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,680 defense. And that's not exactly what's 604 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,400 happening here. It feels like both sides of the 605 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,880 ball can kind of carry their own weight. 606 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,040 With this stuff, yeah, I totally agree. 607 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,520 You know, the the thing that I thought was interesting, the the 608 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,320 play that I'm going to kind of highlight from the Charlotte 609 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,040 game, I think, I think it kind of makes this point is there's a 610 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,040 catch by Sam West, who had his first catch, I think of the 611 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,480 season. But it was this like nice play 612 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,840 that opened up and he ran like a little hook, like a wheel route 613 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,360 on the side and was just wide open, tons of free range to go. 614 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,640 Had one catch for 37 yards. And it's one of those were like 615 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,480 in previous years, I think we would have had that and like we 616 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,040 would have talked all about it in the podcast. 617 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,880 Like where does he fit in? Like can we start getting him 618 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,200 more touches? And we haven't talked about any 619 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,960 of that. And it's it's not against Sam 620 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,480 Westman. I hope he has does a great, has 621 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,400 a great season, but it's not like, Oh my God, we got to feed 622 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,480 that guy more, do more. It's like, no, it's just that's 623 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,720 a that's a functional football program. 624 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,480 We have a wide receiver out there who's, you know, when he's 625 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,120 open, he's open, he'll get a couple touches and he's growing 626 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,920 into his role. And it was a beautiful play. 627 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,680 And that's that's the thing from this offense that I still kind 628 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,200 of keep going back to and it's very hard to quantify, but it 629 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,800 just feels like there's a lot of the playbook we haven't seen 630 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,280 because there are these moments where you see these plays where 631 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,880 it's like, holy crap, that was a really nice play to really get 632 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,000 somebody open. And then we'll kind of go back 633 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,440 to like, you know, 5 or 6 RPO's and not a bad way because it's 634 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,160 working. Whereas in previous years I felt 635 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,200 like we would do that, but go back to like run up the middle 636 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,160 and then it's like second, nine, third and seven and then we 637 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,160 punt. This is like we kind of go back 638 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,840 to the vanilla offense, but the vanilla offense is leading us 639 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,720 with touchdowns and field goals. And it's just something that I 640 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,720 feel that like I I really feel like there's a whole second 641 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,040 playbook. We haven't been touched yet. 642 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,480 That's kind of like, let's just wait until things really get 643 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,600 hairy. And you see it in these moments 644 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,760 of these games where it's like, you know, Charlotte has 14 645 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,720 points, like, all right, let's make sure we score the next two 646 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,120 times and we do. And it that's something that 647 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,960 I've not felt. And then the defense the same 648 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,200 thing. It has these moments where, you 649 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,320 know, they don't lose judgement, but it's just, you know, the 650 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,280 other team is able to do some things like, all right, let's 651 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,040 immediately make some adjustments and come back and 652 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,680 then you can kind of feel the defense just kind of boa 653 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,440 constrictoring out these things. And I know we bitched everybody 654 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,760 for caveat and you know, I'll caveat like, yes, the opponents 655 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,360 have not been the highest level, but I mean, we did against UCLA 656 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,000 and that's all we can say. We've done it against. 657 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,040 And I'm with you. You look at Maryland, like when 658 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,800 you look at like Pro Football Focus, you know, they're right 659 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,760 there. You know, the overall teams, 660 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,640 Illinois highest ranked in the Big 10 and then Indiana and then 661 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,120 Iowa and Maryland. So, I mean, you know, they they 662 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,200 seem to be right kind of where we're at. 663 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,480 I think it's going to be a really interesting test. 664 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,480 And anyway, yeah, that's my thoughts, yeah. 665 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,320 Some interesting notes. Excuse me a little too much 666 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,120 yelling at the game yesterday in a happy way. 667 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:27,160 So Colin McMahon from Indiana Rivals had an interesting tweet 668 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,160 IU. So we just got the betting line. 669 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,560 So they just opened as a 5 1/2 point favorite for for the 670 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,120 Maryland game. Wow, OK. 671 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,640 Vegas, by the way, all of us not taking note, like Vegas has 672 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,240 taken note. Vegas is like, oh look, I mean 673 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,000 the spread was what, 29 I think yesterday? 674 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,000 We're a favorite on the road at UCLA. 675 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,640 We're opening the five and a half point favorite. 676 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,120 I mean, like Vegas doesn't. This is why Vegas doesn't lose 677 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,000 money. They they actually noticed these 678 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,440 things in teams. Yeah. 679 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,880 It's it's gonna be really. Fascinating watching this the 680 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,560 momentum build on this because as you mentioned, like so. 681 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,440 Indiana right now 5th. This is again from Colin 682 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,600 McMahon's tweet. Ranked 15th in FPI which is ESP 683 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,760 NS metric. They have the 14th best chance 684 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,000 to make the playoff of any team at 27.4%. 685 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,600 Indiana's fifth in average points per game scored and 7th 686 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,800 in points allowed per game in FBSI mean this is nuts. 687 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,400 Like all of this and, and again, it's like this is Indiana's got 688 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,280 to play up to that level now they're, they're not going to 689 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,600 sneak up on people for much longer and people are going to 690 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,040 take them more seriously. The execution's going to be more 691 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,640 and more important, you know, but, but again, you know, we 692 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,360 went through another game with this IU team where they didn't 693 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,360 commit a turnover. You know, right now, Indiana's 694 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,840 turnover margin on the, on the season is +7. 695 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,320 They've, they've, the last time they had a + 7 turnover margin, 696 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,640 I think again was 2020. They had a they had a + 8 697 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,000 turnover margin that year and and it's, you know, they only, 698 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,679 they only forced one fumble for Charlotte. 699 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,639 But what I'm most impressed by is they continue to not make 700 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,480 like self owns they they they're not, they're not putting 701 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,560 themselves in a position where they provide the other team with 702 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,520 a lot of great momentum. You know, they're not killing 703 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,639 their own drives with with turnovers. 704 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,719 Now that will end at some point and I'll be curious to see how 705 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,360 this team handles that. But you know, I just I know it 706 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,199 just sounds like we're just showering the team with praise 707 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,440 here over and over again. But I feel like that's deserved, 708 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,159 Scott, at this point. And I'm just really excited. 709 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,440 Like you run down the list and you see what Indiana's been able 710 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,159 to do. It's just it's been really, 711 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,040 really heartening that they've been able to move the ball as 712 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,239 well as they have and then their defense has been able to shut 713 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,440 down opponents. I mean, again, it's just like 714 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,120 you can we see teams that have really good defenses that don't 715 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,680 score a lot. We see teams that have good 716 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,360 offenses that have a hard time, you know, keeping the other team 717 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,000 from scoring. There just aren't a lot of 718 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,880 teams, even against poor competition, that do both of 719 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,880 those things well so. The two things are, you know, I 720 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,400 feel like we've spent the last couple of we we're allowed to do 721 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,880 this because we spent the last couple of years, you know, 2021. 722 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,520 We were both excited and I think you and I both pretty mid early 723 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:19,760 season. We're like, something's wrong 724 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,400 here. Like we, we tried to bring that 725 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,800 on the podcast. The last two years we've been 726 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,160 kind of fighting this, you know, like very early on, the 727 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,600 statistics have been awful for Indiana. 728 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,520 And you and I have kind of been playing, you know, danger Will 729 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,720 Robinson most of the season the last two seasons just kind of 730 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,000 being like, hey, I don't know how this gets better. 731 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,240 And, and we were really pessimistic the last two years 732 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:43,320 and took a lot of grief for it. And I feel like everything is 733 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,000 reversed this year. It's a complete 180 where, you 734 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,560 know, I still talk to a lot of people. 735 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,320 People go to games. They're just like, I don't know, 736 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,440 we'll see. It's like they're kind of 737 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,040 waiting for that moment. And it, it's like it's all 738 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,200 there. And it, what's weird is we're 739 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,440 like, we're a stat darling. Like we're one of those teams in 740 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,080 like Ken Palm. It's just like, man, this team, 741 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,480 it's like they figured out the analytic system and they're, 742 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,720 they're the great, they're the great. 743 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:08,640 You know, darling, I would say this, you know, and and again, 744 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,760 soccer games last week, I apologize for not making to the 745 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,480 game yesterday, but this is the moment I do feel like where, you 746 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,200 know, we've always had this push and pull of, you know, fans need 747 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,040 to show up that, you know, the team has to show up first for 748 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,760 the fans. Like, I feel like we are at that 749 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,600 moment now where this team has done enough and justified. 750 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,400 Like this game against Maryland is should be a complete sellout 751 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:31,960 and it should be people fired up. 752 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,080 Like this is the moment where it's like, all right now you 753 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,640 have a real Big 10 opponent. You have a team that has some 754 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,920 real things that they could do in Indiana. 755 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,760 You're about to hit some pretty historical benchmarks. 756 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,680 We start winning and continue to win. 757 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,960 This is the moment where it feels like, you know, things 758 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,400 should turn. So that that's that's my push to 759 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,760 any fan is like, you know, now's the time to get in for students 760 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,960 like these are the games to start staying the whole time to 761 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,800 show up early. Like this is where we we need to 762 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,000 step up and bring Memorial Stadium at 100% capacity. 763 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,320 Like this is the moment. And look at, you know, the, it 764 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,760 was disappointing. I thought the crowd yesterday, 765 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,440 people just got to, they got to show up. 766 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,280 I mean, there's always and look, I get it. 767 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,840 No one has been on this IU football train longer than than 768 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,320 you and I have just in terms of like fan that there are older 769 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,200 fans, certainly. But I guess my point is we don't 770 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,520 keep hopping on and off as a lot of people do. 771 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,360 And you know, we've seen seasons where people were not that 772 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,240 excited or the team wasn't that exciting. 773 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,640 There's just a weird kind of hesitancy it feels like amongst 774 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,240 a lot of people, like I, I, it was hot yesterday at the game. 775 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,880 It was not blazing. Like it wasn't that bad. 776 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,280 I mean, I've, I've, as I was saying to somebody, like I used 777 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,880 to go to games in the Orange Bowl when I worked at Miami. 778 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,120 I mean, that was hot. You know, it was, it was 10° 779 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,800 hotter and 20% more humid at LSU yesterday and. 780 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,560 The Big 10 network though, because the way they showed the 781 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,240 the coach Biff, which is just like the greatest coach name, 782 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:07,240 like he looked like he was hot, like the sweat running down the 783 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:08,520 little. Air reader like. 784 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,760 Every time they showed him I was like, man, that looks brutal, 785 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,680 but I think it was more more Biff problem than anybody else. 786 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,600 Yeah, I know that was I, I the pictures from that particular 787 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:24,080 situation defy a lot of mental items that I have in my brain 788 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,000 right now, but I'm. Wearing like a hat that was too 789 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,280 small, with a beanie with a cord coming out. 790 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,840 It's like Biff let's. Very odd, but but you know, 791 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,560 look, there's plenty of people who can't come to games because 792 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,600 they don't live close enough. And we appreciate you folks. 793 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,960 This is 1. And again, it's like I'm not 794 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,720 paid to get people to go out to go to the games or anything like 795 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,560 that. But I just don't know what 796 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,360 people are waiting for. Like you. 797 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,560 It's like, Oh well, what to see you play a real team, as you 798 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,040 said a few weeks ago, it's like part of the fun is going in and 799 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,000 watching your team like really dominate. 800 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,920 I mean, this is part of the process. 801 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,360 This is what you say that you want. 802 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,600 And you know, I think to some degree I, I remember like this. 803 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:10,520 This is a, it's a problem with the IU fanbase that doesn't 804 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,640 happen often, but because obviously Indiana's rarely been 805 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:15,840 good. But it's almost like when the 806 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,520 novelty of the football team being good wears off, people 807 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,360 decide that they're going to not come. 808 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,280 And we saw this actually even at the height of Indiana's biggest 809 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,280 string of success in the late 80s and early 90s. 810 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,720 And, you know, this is one of those things that people forget. 811 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,440 But like, you know, the the attendance went through the roof 812 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,560 in 87 and 88 and 89. And then it slowly started to 813 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,960 drop off. And, you know, there were games 814 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,040 at the start of the 93 season when Indiana, you know, they 815 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,920 went eight and four that year. They were in the hunt for the 816 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,120 Big 10 title. They were coming off a season 817 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,480 where, you know, they had they had barely missed a bowl, but I 818 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,520 think they had won like eight games, five games, seven games 819 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,200 and five games and four years is a good team. 820 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,000 Attendance dropped to like 30,000 at the beginning of that 821 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,200 season and they didn't have a sell out that year. 822 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,400 It dropped further in 94. I can remember listening to Don 823 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,560 Fisher and Max Skirvin on broadcast at the time, and bowl 824 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,600 games were like. Kind of put off from IU because 825 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,240 there's like, well, their fans don't travel anymore. 826 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,040 Now we know that that's not the case now, but it's interesting 827 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,280 going back and looking at those attendance numbers and how 828 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,520 quickly everything fell off. As soon it was as it was like 829 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,640 old hat that the IU football team was good. 830 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,360 Here. It's like the opposite issue 831 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,920 where it's like they haven't really gotten people into the 832 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,560 mix yet with IU football and I'm just waiting. 833 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,280 Like, is there going to be a trigger where people are like, 834 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,000 yes, this is actually a really fun team. 835 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,640 It's a dominant team. It's a team we're gonna go to 836 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,040 watch. I mean, on paper, the attendance 837 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,880 was fine yesterday. It was about 1000 less than FIU 838 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,640 in person. There were clearly not that many 839 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,800 people there. And given that it was a noon 840 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,720 game and it was a beautiful day, a little bit hot, but still a 841 00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:03,600 beautiful day outside, that was disappointing. 842 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,720 I just, you know, you're probably right in that it, you 843 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:10,120 probably will have a lot more people at this Maryland game. 844 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,760 I think the get in price last night for the game was something 845 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,880 like $43, which is a generally a pretty good sign that tickets 846 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,480 are getting harder and harder to come by. 847 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,440 But then today the get in prices dropped to $34. 848 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,080 You know, so it's like there's there's clearly not the demand 849 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,840 yet on the on behalf of of IU fans to go and watch this team. 850 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,560 I just wondered, does that get triggered? 851 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,720 It feels like it should have triggered by this point because 852 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,000 are people really going to be that much more fired up for 853 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,880 Maryland than they were for, you know, just going to a game in 854 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,560 general? I mean, that's not exactly a big 855 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,040 name opponent in the big scheme of. 856 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,240 Things my hope is that it's a big, you know, being a Big 10 857 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,600 team always does seem to raise attendance. 858 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,920 Even a bad Big 10 team, you know, Rutgers normally brings it 859 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,960 a little bit more than some of our, you know, bad non 860 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,200 conference opponents. But, but I'm with you. 861 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,200 I've, I've kind of look at this moment is like, this should be 862 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,800 the triggering moment. And it's also because of the 863 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,800 runway you have ahead of us, you have ahead of you. 864 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,840 It's not like, all right, this is a mirage where now we got to 865 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,320 play Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan. 866 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,840 It's like, no, we're about to hit a stretch of maybe the best 867 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,240 weather you're going to have in Bloomington and three of the 868 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,040 next 4 games are at home and your opponents are Maryland, 869 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,760 Northwestern, Nebraska and Washington. 870 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,640 And it's like you could be going three and one of those games. 871 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,440 Hell, they could go four and O in those games. 872 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,000 Like this is, this is the moment, I think where it has to 873 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,280 be triggered. You know, this is where you need 874 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,640 to show up. And like, this is the moment for 875 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,360 this team where you know, this is just a, This is why you have 876 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,240 a new coach. Like all that talk of manual 877 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,680 2020 and they just, you know, you know, shit the bed the next 878 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,600 year. It's like, OK, but that was 879 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,200 like, that was four years ago. That's a different coach, 880 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,640 different scenario. Like that's why you have new 881 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,240 coaches. Like this is all new and it it 882 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:55,120 takes time to change how you know how the ship goes. 883 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,160 But it does feel like I I think of like the Zach Osterman always 884 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,560 talks about, you know, college football program is like a a 885 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,600 battleship or aircraft carrier just takes forever to turn. 886 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:07,880 It feels like we're not there. Feels like we just like Signeti 887 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,800 just grab the guys like we're getting on this cutter. 888 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,080 We're just going to have a quick turn to the right. 889 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,760 And it, it does feel like this is a different team and you know 890 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,200 what, you know, if things are the same as before, let's let's 891 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,200 go in and try it and get hurt. Like, I mean, I'm, I'm so in, 892 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,640 but it just does not feel that way because of all the things 893 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,840 that we've talked about and how all across the board this team 894 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,000 is, how professional they look. And maybe the only thing that I 895 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,320 could say that I would love to see cut out as we're still 896 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,120 getting some some penalties, not as bad as it feels like in the 897 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,440 past. We're still racking up more 898 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,840 penalty yards and we would like think like 290 for the season. 899 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,240 So getting 3 or 4 penalties a game, it'd be nice to clean that 900 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,640 up. But but everything else has been 901 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,160 just so Workman like in these wins. 902 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,160 But yet when they need to get exciting, they get exciting. 903 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,840 If it's not a boring team, it's a fun team to watch, but it's 904 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,720 also a team that like is professional and just takes care 905 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:00,680 of business. Yeah. 906 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,680 Well, it should be fun watching what happens here moving 907 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,040 forward. As you know, the the big thing 908 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,400 is it seemed like Indiana made it out of the game with no 909 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,200 injury issues and they continue to refine aspects of things and, 910 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,280 you know, to go on the run that they did to go from 17 to 14 to 911 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,600 50, you know, 1 to 14. But you know, the the other 912 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,560 thing that was really interesting was Indiana 52 to 913 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,720 14. Sorry, was the final Indiana had 914 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:29,600 a couple of of drives that probably should have resulted in 915 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,720 touchdowns that didn't. You know, you had the overthrow 916 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,040 from Taven Jackson on on that crossing pattern. 917 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,240 There was another one like that. It, it almost felt like Indiana 918 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,680 left a little bit out there and you know, they punted in the 919 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,760 middle of the, of the third quarter, I think it was. 920 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,920 And it was like, this is a shock. 921 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,960 I've, I forgot what our punching unit looked like. 922 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,040 So they continue to, to do little refinements. 923 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,840 They probably could have won by a little bit more. 924 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,520 And now they play certainly A-Team. 925 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,120 That's always been a good barometer for where Indiana's at 926 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,760 in the old Big 10. You know, you know, Maryland and 927 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,400 Indiana, it was like, only one of you can be good because 928 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,880 you're in the Big 10 E and you've already got 3 losses. 929 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,000 And you were seeing finally like, hey, that's the, the, the 930 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,040 teams who have been freed from those shackles. 931 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,120 Like there's two in particular, Rutgers and Indiana, both who 932 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,080 look like they are, you know, in a, in a, a mode where it's like, 933 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,160 wow, we no longer have to be locked into playing this awful 934 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,880 schedule. We've got some flexibility and 935 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,040 it would be great if both of those teams would be able to 936 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,680 take full advantage of it throughout the course of the 937 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,280 season. It's it's like it's like wow, 938 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,520 this is like letting a dog out in the in the farmland. 939 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,240 Like wow, That's what the big 10 W has been like. 940 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,200 So nice. All these teams you have to 941 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,960 play. I want to ask, let's play a 942 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,760 game. It's slightly not the Scott 943 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,560 fever dream game, but we're getting there. 944 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,680 If we keep on winning. I think I have my I think the 945 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,760 answer is pretty simple, but just want to play it through. 946 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,120 We keep winning. When do we get ranked? 947 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,600 I think I have my answer, but because I don't, I don't. 948 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,360 I look through it today like not enough teams in the lower 20s 949 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,800 lost. So I don't think we're going to 950 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,360 get ranked this week. And it's going. 951 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,880 So when we keep winning, at what point do you think we get 952 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,560 ranked? If we're not ranked this week, I 953 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,040 actually think we're going to cut be ranked like 25th this 954 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,360 week by the time by the time this comes out, we'll see what 955 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,600 happens. But, but if Indiana's not ranked 956 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,880 this week, I think beating Maryland would rank them for the 957 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,320 following week. That would be, that would, and, 958 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,880 and again, I it'll either be right at the very edge. 959 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,960 Actually, now that I'm looking at it, I think actually you're 960 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,040 right, 'cause I mean, Nebraska's probably going to drop out of 961 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:50,480 the rankings and I'm guessing perhaps Illinois is already 962 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,560 ranked. That's interesting. 963 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,680 I don't know. I mean, beating Charlotte by 964 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,760 that much probably didn't catch that many people's heads. 965 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,400 But I, I do think it's, I'll be fascinated to see what Indiana's 966 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,800 ranking is or their vote getting compared to say, Iowa and what 967 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,400 happens with all the votes for people that voted for Syracuse, 968 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,400 who of course then turn around and lost to Stanford on Friday. 969 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:15,080 You know, there's a bunch of teams where it's like this may 970 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,040 be good for IU, but there may be a little bit of a cap on it. 971 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,720 But I think if they were to beat Maryland, surely they'll be some 972 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,040 teams above them in the rankings that lost. 973 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,720 And so I think it'll be, it'll be right around either next week 974 00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:31,080 if they beat Maryland or, you know, shortly afterwards. 975 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,000 I I don't think it's going to be a whole lot longer than that 976 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,880 though. I, I don't know, I kind of 977 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,120 looked at it as I, I think there's that national inertia 978 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,880 just kind of keep Indiana where it's at. 979 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,680 And, and if there's not a ton of losses ahead of us, I think it 980 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,880 could be as far as the Nebraska game and beating, beating 981 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,000 Nebraska. We do that at that point now you 982 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,600 know, you're 7 and O you have a win against Nebraska, which you 983 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,520 know, in the minds of voters, like that's actually something, 984 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,760 even though that may be one of the worst team that maybe not a 985 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,120 not the best big 10 team we're going to play in our stretch. 986 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,920 So I, I don't know, I, I think it could be that far because I 987 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,920 think this week we're still going to be in that others 988 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,320 receiving votes. And then if we beat Maryland, I 989 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,880 think that's, that's something for us. 990 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,520 But it's like, I, I think it's going to have to be beating a 991 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,320 team that is kind of a name. And I, I think we're going to 992 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,800 continue to fly, continue to be receiving votes. 993 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,360 You beat Northwestern, it's like, all right, it's 994 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,760 Northwestern. They're not playing a temporary 995 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,920 like there's a lot of ways you can push things off. 996 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,480 But I do think once you get 7 and O with a Nebraska win, it's 997 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,160 like then you're you're probably going to pop into like the 19 998 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,480 range. It's possible. 999 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,560 I don't know. I wonder sometimes how often the 1000 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,560 pollsters or the OR the voters think about what they're doing. 1001 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,000 I mean, you know, it's like the you, you look at the teams 1002 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,280 received it like Memphis was 26th in the poll and they got, 1003 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,120 they lost 56 to 44 at Navy. They they should not be getting 1004 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,560 votes at all. Texas A&M, who was 25th in the 1005 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,880 poll, Like they barely beat Bowling Green at home this week. 1006 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,600 Why would they be getting votes at this point? 1007 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,000 Like what? What have they done? 1008 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,120 What have they accomplished statistically? 1009 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,160 Nebraska, we already talked about Northern Illinois, who was 1010 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,280 ranked. They turn around and lose to 1011 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,040 Buffalo. Well, they should not be ranked. 1012 00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,360 That was an overreaction. So I do wonder. 1013 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,080 That's why I think the perhaps in the AP poll, at least it's a 1014 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,080 possibility even this week. It's just that you look around 1015 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,040 the lower reaches of things and it's hard to really point to any 1016 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,880 of those teams and say they are definitively more accomplished 1017 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,920 than Indiana has been. All the statistics point towards 1018 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,120 Indiana being very good and again, none of this matters. 1019 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,080 I don't care. I would prefer that we weren't 1020 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,800 ranked until later because I like flying under the radar with 1021 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,120 this team a little bit right now. 1022 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,600 But I could see the voters looking at it this week and 1023 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,600 saying, you know what? Actually, it makes sense to rank 1024 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,760 Indiana. I also want to just, we don't 1025 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,000 need to do it right now 'cause it's totally unprepared. 1026 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,360 Didn't prep you for this. But it's like, I feel like in 1027 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,480 previous years, you know, we didn't want to be too negative. 1028 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,040 But I think you and I both in talking about it, we're like we 1029 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,560 were mentally and off the record kind of updating our season win 1030 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,440 total projections. Like, all right, this looks like 1031 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,880 it's going to be rough. I almost want to kind of do have 1032 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,640 a redo of our win projections because it feels like 8 is a 1033 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,520 pretty solid number. Like I feel like 9 could really 1034 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,120 be in play here and it would be fun to kind of go through. 1035 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,120 It's just again, this all goes to that feeling of I, I'm, I'm 1036 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,560 willing to buy in and really buy in with this team because it 1037 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,120 you're just seeing a lot of things that I've just not seen 1038 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,040 before out of Indiana team and so much success and then so much 1039 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,680 kind of confidence, like just so much quiet confidence and you 1040 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,720 know, not over, over extension by the staff, but it feels like 1041 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:43,640 there's something I don't know. I, I almost want to redo and 1042 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,120 look and like see if I can get us to nine wins because it does 1043 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,480 feel like now is the point where I could do a slight course 1044 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,560 correction, basically moving to the goal posts, which is what I 1045 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,360 was bitching about earlier. So maybe I shouldn't, Maybe we 1046 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,240 shouldn't do that. Well, The thing is, you know, 1047 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:59,200 ultimately, I, I, we actually, Zach Ostman and I were talking 1048 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,800 about this earlier this week on the Indy Star podcast. 1049 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,080 And it's like both of us independently felt like we 1050 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,960 pulled a punch in picking the win total in that it felt like 1051 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,840 if things went right for Indiana, nine wins was more in 1052 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,960 line than perhaps the 8. And you know, the 8 was, well, 1053 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,120 surely they're going to lose one of these in some way. 1054 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,680 And they still might. And that's the thing. 1055 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,920 It's like, look, there's a scenario where Indiana isn't 1056 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,840 ready to play against Maryland and loses that game. 1057 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,720 And, you know, there's a scenario where Indiana, where 1058 00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:34,720 Nebraska, you know, rides a, a, an awesome Dylan Rola 1059 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,680 performance and, and gets a good defensive performance and, and 1060 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,400 they beat us on homecoming. There's certainly a, you know. 1061 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,320 We lose those games back-to-back. 1062 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,520 Yeah, You know, everybody's been like looking at Michigan and 1063 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,520 being like, oh, that Michigan game looks suddenly really 1064 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,680 winnable. And it's like, well, the flip 1065 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,080 side is Michigan's defense is still awesome even if their 1066 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,680 offense is not. And who knows how Indiana's 1067 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,320 offense is going to stand up or how their offensive line's going 1068 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,960 to protect Curtis Rourke. You know, I mean, and you look 1069 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:03,320 at the difference between Curtis Rourke and Tavin Jackson and 1070 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:08,840 just the the boys and it's like you're one injury away, which is 1071 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,640 why, you know, I've been hesitant to to dream bigger. 1072 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,480 I guess not because I don't think Indiana, if everything 1073 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,680 goes right, couldn't win 910 games, maybe even 11 games. 1074 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:25,200 It's more that a, it's very difficult for everything to go 1075 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,720 right in a season. And you know, we talked about 1076 00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:30,040 that with the 2020 season and how special that was. 1077 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,440 And it's like, wow, everything went right that this season 1078 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,280 almost except for Pennex getting injured. 1079 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,400 You just don't get that that often. 1080 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,720 And that's not just an Indiana thing. 1081 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:42,280 Like that's just in general, like small thing goes wrong with 1082 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,120 football teams as you go along. And so that's why I'm not, you 1083 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,120 know, Indiana's four and O right now. 1084 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,920 And the fact that Indiana's four and O right now means that they 1085 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,760 are only, you know, two wins from being bowl eligible, which 1086 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,920 is nuts, Which is we talked about that, you know, at the 1087 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,760 beginning of the season. And it was like if you could get 1088 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,840 Bo eligible, then you're kind of just playing with house money 1089 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,160 the rest of the way. And it just feels to me like 1090 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,520 expecting that to happen without a hitch, which it kind of has. 1091 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,320 It's gone off without a hitch and then expecting IU to 1092 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,800 continue to play better and better every week. 1093 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,640 It's certainly possible. And I think Kurt Signetti and 1094 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:27,040 his staff are figuring out or, or maybe already know, like 1095 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,080 here's how we condition this team to think about a bigger 1096 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,800 level of accomplishment than they think that they're capable 1097 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,760 of 'cause we kind of saw that with James Madison last year, 1098 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,680 you know, and, and the way that that, you know, they were in a 1099 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,120 very short period of time able to take that James Madison 1100 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,720 program and make them believe that they belonged in the 1101 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:47,800 national conversation. The, you know, the foundation 1102 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,480 has been built really nicely and and clearly what they did in the 1103 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,320 offseason laid that foundation for this team, playing within 1104 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,720 themselves, playing with confidence, achieving. 1105 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,320 Where I just get really interested is, you know, how do 1106 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,000 you manage that transition from getting your team to believe in 1107 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,640 what it's doing to that next level where you go in expecting 1108 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,800 to win games, not taking them for granted, but feeling like 1109 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,800 you can play with anybody, which is such a huge part of what you 1110 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,240 have to do as a football team and and what you have to do as a 1111 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,880 coach. That's where, yeah, they could 1112 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,080 win 9 games, 10 games, but I also just don't know quite where 1113 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,720 they're at mentally. What do they do in that first 1114 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:27,480 game against the team that really is throwing punches back 1115 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,040 at them? How do they manage all of that? 1116 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,760 Do they maintain the poise? What I've seen so far feels like 1117 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,280 they'll be able to, but I don't want to take it for granted. 1118 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,000 And at this point it's like, I'd hate to get myself, you know, 1119 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,640 mentally thinking along the lines of, oh, of course we're 1120 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,440 going to win these games and then be disappointed. 1121 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,720 I feel like there's a bunch of people in the IE fan base or or 1122 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:52,520 skeptics the the doubting Thomases of the IU fanbase who 1123 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,880 the line has been. Well, gosh, you know, they've 1124 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,120 just beaten bad competition up to this point and I'm waiting 1125 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,080 for, you know, Indiana to get good to get ranked. 1126 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,680 They maybe lose a game and people are like, we'll see. 1127 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,240 We we told you they weren't actually that good. 1128 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,880 And it's like you must be a great person to have around at 1129 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,320 parties. You know, this is this is the 1130 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,440 biggest straw man argument I think we've had on Crimson cast 1131 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,760 historically, Scott But but you know, that's this is the kind of 1132 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,280 thing where it's like I don't want. 1133 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,480 To they'll get to like, you know, you're, you're right, like 1134 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,880 they could, they could end the season like 7 and five and be 1135 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,960 like, oh, this team was supposed to go 11 and one, like what'd 1136 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,680 you guys do? It's like, no, like this season. 1137 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,640 I think that is possible and that's exciting to talk about, 1138 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,600 but hard stop after where we've been this season. 1139 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,000 If you can make a bowl, that's a success, like just it is. 1140 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,800 And if you can get to six wins, no matter when it happens, even 1141 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,320 if you get to five and then you got to beat Purdue to get to 6 1142 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,080 and it takes that long. If you get to six wins and this 1143 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,480 team goes to a bowl, that's a great season. 1144 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,200 And but I'm I'm with you, you, you, you do feel like we could 1145 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,400 get to like 5 and O, 6 and O. And then if we, you know, lose 1146 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,000 4-5 in a row to be like, oh, but what happened to this team? 1147 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,920 You know you guys are going to win the Big 10 Now you're not. 1148 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,840 It's like this is still a process of building a program. 1149 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,280 It's exciting to think about because it it feels like it 1150 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,320 actually is there and it's kind of possible to get there. 1151 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,000 But it doesn't change the fact that this team's goal this year 1152 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,040 is really just to make a bowl, and it feels like that is 1153 00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:15,160 unbelievably attainable right now. 1154 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,000 Yeah, I mean, it is it is the the proof of concept for what 1155 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,480 Signetti and his staff are building. 1156 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,680 It's the thing that you're able to put in front of recruits and 1157 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,800 ultimately it's the thing you put in front of fans and you get 1158 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,560 fans excited. If the argument is what we, and 1159 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,560 I've I heard this from several people about the attendance 1160 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,600 thing. It's like, well, you know, we 1161 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,920 just, we, we don't come because, you know, we've been told that 1162 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,320 these teams are good before and then they haven't been good. 1163 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,480 And I was like, that's your reason for not coming to the 1164 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,560 Charlotte game where Indiana was liable to win by 30 points and 1165 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,000 did. So look, there's I think there's 1166 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,720 always going to be that moving of the goal posts. 1167 00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:50,400 And it's why I'm I still feel good about the eighth win 1168 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,680 projection. It was above what the 1169 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:56,440 projections were statistically the as Rick Bozich points out on 1170 00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,920 Twitter today, Indiana's projected win total is now 9.4. 1171 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:04,800 And so look again, eight wins is right in that range. 1172 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,160 That would be an awesome target. I don't feel like revising. 1173 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,600 I think we, I would, I would say that us and Osterman, the people 1174 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,720 that pick that many wins, you know, it was always the best 1175 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,320 case scenario in terms of the team had to come together. 1176 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,960 We were taking it on faith. But everything that we saw 1177 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,080 coming in, it felt like this was the kind of team that we might 1178 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,320 see. I have just been so impressed 1179 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,720 with how consistently good they've been in so many 1180 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,560 different areas. It's really gonna be fascinating 1181 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,680 to watch moving forward. Yeah, just look to the weather. 1182 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,280 Unfortunately it's gonna be like slight showers on Saturday, like 1183 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,600 7857 at night. It's gonna be pretty, but it's 1184 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,920 like a 50% chance of like some showers. 1185 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,240 So hopefully that that blows over just but but just bring a 1186 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:46,720 poncho and let's let's go have some fun. 1187 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,480 That's right. I I think it'll be fine. 1188 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,120 And never trust weather more than two days in advance. 1189 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,560 Is is kind of the, that's the way we're open to Yeah. 1190 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,480 Anyway, any final thoughts before we wrap up, Scott? 1191 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,280 No, I mean we're we're now getting into the meat of the 1192 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,880 schedule and and now is the point where I think a lot of 1193 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,080 these straw man arguments will will fade away and I just all I 1194 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,800 say is after four games, I'm just really impressed with what 1195 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,200 I've seen and it's it's really nice to have signetti at the 1196 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,560 helm and this team has really taken on his personality in a 1197 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,960 very good way where it just feels very Workman like getting 1198 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,360 things done. Next man up. 1199 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,400 All the pieces are interchangeable and it for the 1200 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,840 first time in a while, feels like we have a program. 1201 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,880 And I don't mean that bad. We've had good seasons and, you 1202 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,320 know, really high highs. But that always felt like it was 1203 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,800 predicated on, like I said earlier, kind of individual 1204 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,040 success that was very much focused on those people doing 1205 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,120 well. This really feels like this is a 1206 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,080 a program shift in a real program where it's like, all 1207 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,280 right, we're playing Indiana. I don't know who the wide 1208 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,560 receivers are, but I do. But like, I don't know who wide 1209 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:52,760 receivers are. I don't know who the running 1210 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,000 backs are, but like, I know what they're going to do. 1211 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,200 And that's very much like how I feel about like Wisconsin and 1212 00:58:58,200 --> 00:58:59,800 Iowa. You know, we play them year in, 1213 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,040 year out. It's like, I don't really know 1214 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,080 who the next players are in Iowa, but I know I was not going 1215 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,960 to be running a West Coast offense with five out. 1216 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,440 Like I know what Iowa's going to run. 1217 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:08,560 They know what they're going to run. 1218 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,120 And it's going to be just a lot of people who are going to come 1219 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,480 in and out doing exactly what Iowa wants to do. 1220 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,200 And it's just like, it's so cool to see that here at Indiana. 1221 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,720 And I think that's something that's really, really special so 1222 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:20,600 far. It does. 1223 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,280 And that's the thing. Like it feels sustainable in a 1224 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,360 way that and and it's weird to say and it's it probably is a 1225 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,480 little hyperbolic because it's only four games. 1226 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,360 What you see in the four games you're like, this feels 1227 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,920 sustainable. And we know that the talent 1228 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:39,200 level on this team is not that you don't have the recruits that 1229 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,240 most of the teams in the Big 10 have, but this particular 1230 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,520 approach feels really sustainable. 1231 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,320 And I think it's like you said, there's a there's a programmatic 1232 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,600 feel to what has been established already. 1233 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,880 And just even the way the team is carrying itself, the way the 1234 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,880 coaches talk about it, the way the players talk about it, it 1235 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,680 just feels so different. And you know, look, and, and 1236 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,880 again, this is, it's an interesting contrast to the 1237 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,680 previous coaches where like Tom Allen, the program was really 1238 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,400 about him. I mean, you get right down to 1239 01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,840 it. The whole thing, the Leo thing, 1240 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,360 that was him. That wasn't really an that 1241 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,560 wasn't an organic thing. That was something he. 1242 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,720 Imposed and that sound, that word sounds terrible, but it's 1243 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,840 it's really meant like it was his way of trying to create a 1244 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,000 culture. Yeah. 1245 01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,520 Even the breakthrough stuff in the early stages, you know, it 1246 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,240 was about it it it was really a a slogan as opposed to being 1247 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,560 like an endemic part of how we played football. 1248 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,200 Kevin Wilson. You never felt that, like you 1249 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,800 knew that there was a good offensive scheme somewhere, but 1250 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,360 it was always struggling with execution it felt like. 1251 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,160 Somewhere in there I see it, yeah. 1252 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,560 And, you know, and the times it would emerge, you'd be like, oh, 1253 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,400 that's what this is supposed to look like. 1254 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,920 And it really. Under individual talent at 1255 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:49,840 running back. Yeah. 1256 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,920 You know, Bill Lynch didn't really have a program identity. 1257 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,520 Jerry Denardo didn't really have a program identity. 1258 01:00:55,560 --> 01:01:00,240 Hefner's program identity was like, well, you know, I want you 1259 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,280 to be part of the IU football program. 1260 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,840 It was. It was it was not dissimilar to 1261 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,720 what Tom Allen tried to do. And you know, Cam Cameron, there 1262 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,000 was not really an identity there. 1263 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,200 I mean, you really, again, you go back to Mallory where they 1264 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,480 had a program identity and it felt like that was a sustainable 1265 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,040 thing. And it was for several years. 1266 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,360 That's the kind of thing I feel right now as we've watched these 1267 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,320 first four games under the signet era. 1268 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,960 And it's, that is probably the hardest thing to get my head 1269 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,480 wrapped around is like, as you said, you know, whether it's in 1270 01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,720 Iowa or Virginia Tech or, you know, some of these programs 1271 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,280 that have had clearly defined like here's what we do sort of 1272 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,080 approaches. It just it's been so long since 1273 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,240 Indiana had that. And we'll, again, we'll see how 1274 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,080 it goes against better competition and in the 1275 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,080 conference and how it stacks up. But it does feel like Indiana's 1276 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,360 hit upon something here that could be really special moving 1277 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,920 forward. I'm really fascinated to see how 1278 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,760 it blossoms well. And and also, I mean, the last 1279 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,360 thing I'll say is, you know, we've showered Signeti with a 1280 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,640 lot of praise, but one of the graphics they showed in the game 1281 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,760 yesterday was, you know, winning percentage by coaches with at 1282 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,520 least five seasons. And it's like killing de Boer's 1283 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,480 up there like 900%. And what's funny is we just all 1284 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:10,520 assume, oh, yeah, of course he's good. 1285 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,360 Like, he went to, you know, Fresno State and just had one. 1286 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:13,360 Like, that's what good coaches do. 1287 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,640 It's like, well, I mean, sorry, Signetti is like 2 percentage 1288 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,040 points behind Stabo Sweeney. And like, it's like, you know, 1289 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,840 Kirby Smart and like, it's like a list of like 7 people and 1290 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,720 Signetti is right up there like winning percentage of like 773 1291 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,160 or something. And you know, if, if, if we 1292 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,520 weren't Indiana fans with all the baggage and everything we 1293 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,240 had, if this was just another, this was just Northwestern or 1294 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,920 Iowa State, you'd be like, Oh yeah, they hired a good coach. 1295 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:39,960 Like the course, they're going to be good. 1296 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,680 Like he'll turn around quickly. And so we saw with the bore in 1297 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,360 other places, you know, I, I think that you just have to also 1298 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,640 take into consideration the Sidney is just a really good 1299 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,560 coach. He is and we have him, he's on 1300 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,800 our staff and he's doing it with our team. 1301 01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,520 But this we're probably not going to win all the rest of our 1302 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:00,720 games. We're probably not going to go 1303 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,160 11:00 and 1:00 or 10:00 and 2:00. 1304 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,880 But that doesn't mean this is smoke and mirrors, right? 1305 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,960 That like something is being built here. 1306 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,480 And no question, you know, I'm very confident being right now. 1307 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,920 Like I, I think if we don't make a bowl at this point, it would 1308 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,200 be very disappointing. I don't think that's going to 1309 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,000 happen. And even if we're not going to 1310 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,400 hit the rarefied air, it's like if we get to 678 wins, it's a 1311 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:23,800 great season. But it's like you are seeing 1312 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,440 something happen here. Insignetti is a really good 1313 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,480 coach and everything, the numbers and the play and 1314 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,040 everything backs it up. So that that's the thing that I 1315 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,040 would tell fans who are a little bit hesitant is it's not going 1316 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,240 to be a straight line to success, but it does feel like 1317 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:41,600 we are on the right path because Signetti has done nothing thus 1318 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,760 far that that tells you he doesn't know what he's doing. 1319 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,480 Well, and the last thing I'll say on that and then we'll wrap 1320 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,280 up is that this looks like a really fun place to play 1321 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,520 football. Yeah, you're right. 1322 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,800 This has been a fun team to watch. 1323 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,800 You know recruits, you know and and. 1324 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,720 And something you said earlier about how like how much Alan had 1325 01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,600 built the Leo thing, like this is a like kind of saying this is 1326 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,640 a fun place to play. And it didn't, it didn't look 1327 01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,160 like it from the outside. And now you have this different 1328 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,720 kind of more stern approach and kind of like, hey, we're taking 1329 01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,280 this seriously and we're going to coach you hard. 1330 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,160 And as to your point, it now looks like it's a fun place to 1331 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,400 play. You don't need to tell people it 1332 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,880 is sorry. No, but that's my point is like 1333 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,880 the the IT being a fun looking like a fun place to play. 1334 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,080 It's not just recruits because I think recruiting, well, it's 1335 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:34,760 still very important is not nearly as important as it used 1336 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,560 to be because of the transfer portal. 1337 01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,400 And you look at you look at what Kurt Signetti was able to do. 1338 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,480 He brought a bunch of guys in who have so far really executed 1339 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,240 well at this level. What is that looking like when 1340 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,120 you get to the next stage when players are looking for a place 1341 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,320 to go? If you've got the NIL money, 1342 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,920 which Indiana appears to have now, now it's not a matter of I 1343 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,000 need to talk these players into coming and being part of this 1344 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,520 thing that isn't working yet, but we think will work if we get 1345 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,280 the right players. Now it turns into people want to 1346 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,600 come play for you. Yeah, get on the train before 1347 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,160 we're gone. Right, Because it's already 1348 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,400 working. And it's like now you've got 1349 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,640 competition, four people coming to IU, you're not having to take 1350 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,840 the scraps and hope that they fit together. 1351 01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,840 And so it's what's gonna make this middle part of the season. 1352 01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,120 These you I, I keep saying the next four games, you I think 1353 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,720 have more accurately classified it as the next five games 'cause 1354 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,480 this five game stretch in the conference. 1355 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,600 If you, if Indiana could come out of that having won four of 1356 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,360 those games, yeah, that would be an an insane accomplishment. 1357 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,560 Even if they only come out winning three, they will already 1358 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,120 have won seven games in the OR in the in the season at that 1359 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:45,360 point if they go three and two over these next 5. 1360 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,880 And I think we can sit here and look at the FBI numbers and say 1361 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,080 it would be disappointing if they only won three out of the 1362 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,480 the next 5. But on the flip side, A7 win 1363 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,080 season, as we have talked about many times is not a normal 1364 01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:00,960 occurrence in the history of IU football. 1365 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:02,760 Like period. It's very similar to you. 1366 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,200 It's very similar to the five and O start thing, which is 1367 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,760 essentially a non existent thing in IU history. 1368 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,640 Well, we're breaking this up into A5 game stretch. 1369 01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,680 Like everything we're adding. I don't want to get too far 1370 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,080 ahead of ourselves, but it's like any number, you know, you 1371 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,200 said, you know, with win 3 or 4, which gets us to eight wins. 1372 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,400 Like you can always tack on the next one because we still have 1373 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,040 Purdue in the bag And it doesn't look like, you know, again, the 1374 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,520 bucket game things always crazy, But we we look like a better 1375 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,960 team than Purdue, no question. So I, you know, can't guarantee 1376 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,440 wins that game's Memorial Stadium. 1377 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,840 So it's like after this five game stretch, if we're seven 1378 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,680 wins or eight wins, it's almost like you can kind of put in 1379 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,720 pencil a + 1 at the end of that. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. 1380 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,880 You know, you, you bring up a really good point about the 1381 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,520 Purdue game and it's like you go if if you went, if you went 1382 01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,840 through two and three over the next 5, that would, you've still 1383 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,360 got that game at the end where statistically you're just very 1384 01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,880 much better. So, yeah, I, I'm just really 1385 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,400 fascinated to see how Indiana against more or less equal 1386 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,960 competition from a talent perspective fairs here. 1387 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,400 And I, I am really curious what else Indiana's got in the bag 1388 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,360 that they haven't showed. So we'll see what happens as we 1389 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,760 move forward with things. But Scott, this was a lot of 1390 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,120 fun. Love talking game, love talking. 1391 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,760 If Indiana wins, let's let's keep this going as long as we 1392 01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,520 possibly can. So I feel like we're we're 1393 01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,040 leaving some meat on the bone here with with Coach Biff, like 1394 01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,400 there there's a there's some kind of. 1395 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,160 AI chat we could do, but we'll, we'll, we'll think about that. 1396 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:27,440 We'll save that for next week. I, I, I feel good about let's 1397 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,760 keep the focus on Indiana 'cause that's where it should be. 1398 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,600 So that's how Coach Biff, that's right. 1399 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,560 Anyway, thank you, Scott. Thank you folks for listening 1400 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:36,520 in. 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