1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,400 You're listening to the back home network presented by home 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:11,200 field. Apparel. 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,300 Welcome back to Crimson Cask ale clavius got Caulfield joining. 4 00:00:23,300 --> 00:00:28,500 You once again, it is the 28th of November and football 5 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:31,600 season's over Scott. Thank God. 6 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,600 We're going to talk about it. We're going to talk about the 7 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:41,000 aftermath of Indiana's thrashing at the hands, of the Purdue 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,200 Boilermakers. Yesterday by the count of 44, 27 9 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,900 at Ross Aid, Stadium a bit of a historic game on a couple of 10 00:00:47,900 --> 00:00:50,300 levels. But first, how are you doing? 11 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:56,200 I'm all right, it's over. We can talk basketball, it's 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,200 over. We made it through. 13 00:00:57,700 --> 00:01:00,700 I have thoughts. Yeah, I may not be able to keep 14 00:01:00,700 --> 00:01:04,099 the the no cursing Scott around, but no, it's a I'm good, man. 15 00:01:04,099 --> 00:01:08,100 It's, it's a, it's a Sunday. It's nice outside. 16 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:13,400 I have, I'll search share a picture on our Instagram feed, 17 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:16,000 but one of my next door neighbor's is a Purdue grad. 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,700 And so, we have like a bet just whatever IU and Purdue play in 19 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:22,400 football and basketball. The other person has to fly the 20 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,200 other person's flag if that team loses. 21 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,400 So I have to fly a Purdue flag above my house, but I went on to 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,800 Etsy. Thank God for Etsy and bought a 23 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,300 three by five Flags. Lag. 24 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:36,300 Customize it as an arrow. Pointing up that says I lost a 25 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:38,200 bet. So I'm Gonna Fly that underneath 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,800 the Purdue flag to at least take away some of the sting. 27 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,200 But man, I'm gonna be flying this flag a lot after 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,400 Thanksgiving. It seems see if this is a Bad 29 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,300 Bet. Yeah. 30 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:51,300 All right. I'm glad I'm glad we're it. 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,500 How you doing? I'm bummed because I still have 32 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:55,700 the tickets right here. I will also, I think I'm gonna 33 00:01:55,700 --> 00:01:58,000 burn the on Instagram. Gonna put this on our, put these 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,900 in my fire pit and burn them. This was like my big thing for 35 00:02:00,900 --> 00:02:03,500 you and me as I bought tickets to the IU /, do Game. 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,200 I try to give his way out our last podcast, with one person, 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,699 kind of interested. And then he backed out because 38 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:12,800 he was a smarter man than most, but it's like II bought. 39 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,300 I was like, you know, this is just this reminds me of that 40 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:18,700 feeling I had in August, where it's like, oh yeah, like bucket 41 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:20,400 tickets. Like I'll get him a gale about 42 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,100 go. Like, yeah, well, you know, 43 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:24,500 worst case where, at least go to the Music City Bowl like, you 44 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:27,500 know, that's not gonna happen. It's amazing how it went off the 45 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:29,900 rails. I'm with you, 100% on that. 46 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:32,200 So, we'll talk about all that here in a second, a bunch of 47 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,600 questions in A bunch of comments from you folks. 48 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,700 So many that I don't think we're gonna be able to get through all 49 00:02:36,700 --> 00:02:38,800 of them today. 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Yes. 77 00:04:04,100 --> 00:04:06,300 Like whether you're the Tweety's or the high peaks, or the 78 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:10,500 sporto's or, you know, you gotta be prepared for all of those 79 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:12,200 circumstances. But, anyway, check it out. 80 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,200 Hope you'll apparel 20% off through Cyber Monday and we hope 81 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,399 that you, you do that. So, let's talk about. 82 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:23,200 First, the game. It was an Abomination, not a 83 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,600 surprise, but an Abomination. This was the first time since 84 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,700 1998. That Indiana did not break 85 00:04:29,700 --> 00:04:32,600 double figures in a bucket game in terms of scoring. 86 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:38,500 They lost that game in 1998, 52, 27, I think it was. 87 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,200 And this game, of course, they lose 44 27. 88 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,700 And, you know, it's not like Indiana's. 89 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:47,000 Exactly lit. Things up in the Indiana Purdue 90 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,000 series between then, and now, but there's at least been some 91 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,400 successes here. And there this looked like among 92 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,100 the worst performances I've seen Indiana play in a bowl and 93 00:04:57,108 --> 00:05:01,300 excuse me, in a bucket game over the course of the last 35 years. 94 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,800 It was a very predictable game. On a number of levels, there was 95 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,800 a scripted drive that Indiana put out early on in the game 96 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,900 that resulted in a touchdown. That looked pretty clever. 97 00:05:11,300 --> 00:05:13,800 There were subsequent, I've got, I gotta jump in, like, this is 98 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,400 one thing, I thought like it begs. 99 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,400 The question of like, the old joke of why don't they build the 100 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,200 plane out of the black box? Like, why don't you just run 101 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,700 your first drive? Every got every time like the 102 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:29,100 exact same set of plays like it might work better than what 103 00:05:29,100 --> 00:05:31,600 you're doing. Yeah well I'm sure there's some 104 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,700 kind of reason for that part. Of the issue is just that most 105 00:05:35,700 --> 00:05:39,600 of the time, the scripted plays follow a very specific pattern 106 00:05:39,900 --> 00:05:44,800 and once the opposition sees it, the first time they've scouted 107 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,100 it and it's like, well, we have no second idea here and that's 108 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:52,000 exactly what happened. This time around again, the 109 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,800 Hoosiers, decided in this game to put grant kreml in at 110 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,400 quarterback. And look, I don't think great. 111 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,200 Grandma was the reason Indiana lost and we talked about it a 112 00:06:01,207 --> 00:06:05,300 little bit. There were certainly reasons why 113 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:08,100 you wanted him in there instead of Macaulay largely because 114 00:06:08,500 --> 00:06:10,500 Grandma's seem to be able to, at least throw the ball down the 115 00:06:10,508 --> 00:06:14,500 field. But the downside of it was he 116 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:17,400 still a walk-on quarterback and you still have an offense. 117 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:23,100 That is basically crippled by a lack of being in touch with 118 00:06:23,100 --> 00:06:25,100 reality. It's sometimes it's like, well, 119 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:28,700 this is not a creative offense, but sometimes it's like, well, 120 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:31,200 we don't know if that was a creative offense because while 121 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,700 there was a five or six seconds, Long developing pass play that 122 00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:36,900 was called, but the offensive line can only block for 123 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:38,600 two-and-a-half or three of those seconds. 124 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,100 So who knows might have been the greatest player in the history 125 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:43,800 of mankind, but couldn't be executed by the players that 126 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,400 were out there. And so, you know, after a pretty 127 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,700 impressive 11-play 75-yard drive to start things off. 128 00:06:49,900 --> 00:06:54,100 Indiana goes 3 and out three and out for an out. 129 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:59,400 And then the last Drive, I don't even know how would you describe 130 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,700 that last drive that Indiana had? 131 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:05,200 I mean, it was just Was one of those Comedy of Errors, drives 132 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,700 where you get, you know, you get a sack, you get a nice 133 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:13,900 completion to Peyton, Hendershot you get a, you know, a couple of 134 00:07:13,900 --> 00:07:18,100 weird plays where liked, I fry Fogle gets inner feared with but 135 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:21,400 then there's another play where he doesn't really fight to get, 136 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,900 you know, first down yardage and then, of course, Indiana tops, 137 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:28,400 it all off by missing a field goal at the end of the of the 138 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:29,900 half. And, you know, not that the 139 00:07:29,900 --> 00:07:31,600 field goal would have made a whole lot of difference. 140 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,000 But at that point in the game, It would have made it a one 141 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,600 score game again. It would have been 17 to 10 and 142 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,200 once the field goal was was wide left. 143 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,000 You just kind of looked at that and said, nothing, that's 144 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,200 happened this season, would let you think that Indiana's got any 145 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,100 chance of coming back and doing anything in the second half and 146 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:55,000 well, that was accurate because they managed to make the most 147 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,900 plays they had in the second half. 148 00:07:56,900 --> 00:08:00,000 Were, there was that second to last Drive of the game, 10 149 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,600 plays, 51 yards and of course ended in an interception. 150 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,700 Purdue just dominated the second half. 151 00:08:04,700 --> 00:08:06,700 It almost wasn't worth talking about. 152 00:08:07,100 --> 00:08:11,200 There were very little, very few statistical performances or 153 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,200 individual play performances. Indiana. 154 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,900 Look like, they basically just wave the white flag at that 155 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:19,500 point and Purdue actually didn't pile it on. 156 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:23,100 As much as I feared that they would, you know, they stopped at 157 00:08:23,100 --> 00:08:26,600 44 and I mean you know I think Indiana's defense had a couple 158 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,800 of good individual moments but really didn't look up to the 159 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,799 task at also Hoosiers lose this one and Purdue was clearly the 160 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:36,500 stronger team out there. Tom Allen's record against 161 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:39,799 Purdue drops to 1 and 3 now in bucket games. 162 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,100 Scott, what are your overall Impressions coming out of this 163 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:44,900 contest? I mean, I'm going to miss this 164 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:49,200 team and I hate that I got here. But I'm Gonna Miss This team 165 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,400 because they've been great to bet against, you know, that the 166 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:55,300 having for the last four weeks betting their opponent to cover. 167 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:58,500 The spread has been great at the beginning of the game has been 168 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:00,500 great at halftime. It was really only about this 169 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:02,800 game. I think perhaps I'm pretty. 170 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:06,300 As I got 28 point, like had a 28 point spread they had a cover at 171 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:08,500 that point. I'm like I I still put some 172 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:09,900 money on it but I wasn't as comfortable. 173 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:12,900 But like I increasingly little like going this game. 174 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:14,600 Pretty was a 15 and a half Point favorite. 175 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,300 I'm like they're gonna cover. Like there's just no Universe 176 00:09:17,300 --> 00:09:20,100 where they don't. We got three weeks ago. 177 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:23,700 We were a 7-point favorite at home, like that's how it's it's 178 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:25,900 been fun to bet against. There's my dog wouldn't be 179 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:30,000 Crimson cast that a dog in the background but I mean, gosh, I'm 180 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,600 ready to talk, but yeah, I could talk big picture but this game 181 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,800 went through the normal scripting, this game, you talk 182 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,900 about Grandma. The thing that was wild is I 183 00:09:39,900 --> 00:09:44,600 again Wonder kind of, you know, what Alan is thinking at times 184 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,900 when he's in the maybe it's just coach peek but it's like why 185 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:50,900 even in the press conference leading up to the game talk 186 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:51,900 about. Hey panics is going to be 187 00:09:51,908 --> 00:09:53,400 available. Total is going to be available. 188 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,600 It's like that you play a walk-on for the like they're not 189 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,000 available like even if they were why would you like Lennox this 190 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,600 game, there's no point. Why like is John Elway available 191 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,100 like is Peyton Manning available? 192 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:05,400 Like could we talk about all those who aren't available who 193 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:12,400 are going to play and and yeah, I don't know, I don't know, I 194 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,600 think they threw it more. At least he said he want to 195 00:10:14,608 --> 00:10:17,400 throw more and they did and they did know they did throw the ball 196 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,200 more. Oh, I do think we give them some 197 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,600 credit for at least trying to get the ball in the air. 198 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,600 And I think I would be more impressed by that if produce 199 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,700 defense wasn't so bad. I mean, you look at their 200 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:30,600 numbers. I think right now Indiana's 201 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,000 defense is worse than Purdue's, but on the bulk of the Season, 202 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,700 like produce given up a lot of big plays. 203 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:37,300 They've given up a lot of opportunities and Indiana. 204 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:40,100 Just didn't look capable of capitalizing on any of those 205 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:42,100 opportunities for most of this game. 206 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:44,800 And, you know, dancer your question about the penix thing 207 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,600 or the Tuttle thing or anything, you know, there's this thing in 208 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,400 football, where theoretically, if you say, well, this guy may 209 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,100 be available and maybe back then, theoretically, somebody's 210 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:58,100 having to stay up and watch film and prep for the chance that 211 00:10:58,100 --> 00:11:00,000 that guy. I might be in there, I'm with 212 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,700 you. I think those kind of Mind Games 213 00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:05,600 matter when you're like 7 and for something. 214 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,000 Yeah, playing for something where your opponent isn't 215 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,700 overwhelmingly better than you are in these sorts of 216 00:11:10,700 --> 00:11:12,600 situations. Not so much. 217 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:15,700 But yeah, it was a really. I mean, I've watched a lot of 218 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:18,000 bucket games. This was the growing up 219 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:21,500 unfortunately, in West Lafayette, this was a game. 220 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,900 I went to a lot because it was the one game that was always 221 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:27,600 easy for me to get to. So I've seen Indiana win in Ross 222 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,900 Aid. I've seen them Get pulverized in 223 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:32,400 Ross, Aid. I've seen the same thing happen 224 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,800 to Memorial Stadium. This was among the worst efforts 225 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,900 that I've seen out of an IU team and it really fit the pattern of 226 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:41,600 the last six weeks of the Season. 227 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,900 Where, yes, I know individual players have, you know, tried 228 00:11:45,900 --> 00:11:49,400 they've, they've put themselves in positions where they've, you 229 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,700 know, they've, they tried to make plays and they've tried to 230 00:11:51,700 --> 00:11:56,200 keep Indiana and games, the reality is most of this team 231 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,500 looked like, it wasn't giving the heh, Effort required to be 232 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:03,100 competitive in games, like this, and the coaching staff looked 233 00:12:03,100 --> 00:12:05,400 like they didn't have any answers at all. 234 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:08,800 For what was needed to keep Indiana competitive or have a 235 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,200 game plan that could last beyond the first quarter. 236 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,300 So yeah, I mean, you know statistically just real quick 237 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:18,800 talking about this game. I mean granny Granville 18 of 30 238 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,200 147 yards, Davion Irvin Poindexter. 239 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,100 On the one hand, had some nice runs. 240 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:28,400 He averaged six yards, a carry on the other hand, he got a nun. 241 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,600 It's been like conduct penalty for kicking a guy in the nuts 242 00:12:31,900 --> 00:12:35,700 and on a key drive that Indiana ended up missing a field goal on 243 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:37,400 that could have brought them back within a score. 244 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,900 So I have a hard time saying. Hey, great job on the eight 245 00:12:39,900 --> 00:12:44,400 carries for 48 yards, Charlie Spiegel had a couple of nice 246 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,200 moments in there. David Holloman at a couple of 247 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,300 nice moments and you know you got a good game out of Peyton 248 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:54,300 Hendershot in his likely last game. 249 00:12:54,700 --> 00:12:58,400 You know know that's it's a shame that hendershot's career 250 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:02,800 You know, potentially is, is over like that. 251 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:04,800 I guess it is technically over because he was a redshirt 252 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,800 senior. I've lost track of the covid 253 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,900 years and who could potentially come back. 254 00:13:08,900 --> 00:13:12,700 I'm going to assume that people who are, you know, seniors 255 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:16,300 either red shirt or otherwise aren't coming back until told 256 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:18,800 otherwise. So wife Marcia had that at 257 00:13:18,808 --> 00:13:21,000 halftime, she saw that like produce giving out, you know, 258 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,200 celebrating Juniors for senior day and like well actually they 259 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,200 are like she forgot they didn't have eligibility last year 260 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,100 Michael. We at their junior, like, I'm 261 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:31,500 assuming they're doing off of Eligibility. 262 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:33,700 Like, if they're a junior there really a senior because they 263 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:35,300 played at this point, four years of college. 264 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:37,200 Football's they should get a senior day with the really a 265 00:13:37,208 --> 00:13:39,200 junior. And it was, yeah, it's like I've 266 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,900 lost complete. I've lost ideas of where people 267 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:44,000 are in their. I just assumed if they tell us 268 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,700 they're gone, they're gone, they have eligibility or not. 269 00:13:46,900 --> 00:13:49,700 So, you know, but outside of that I mean offensively just 270 00:13:49,700 --> 00:13:52,900 very little stood out for this team and defensively. 271 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:56,100 Look, I think Marcelino Mercury bulb deserves some credit. 272 00:13:56,500 --> 00:14:01,700 I had a nice sack in the game. And was kind of returning funds 273 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:03,000 like, yeah, I know he's all over the place. 274 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,600 I mean, it was, it was, it was like old times and Mike McFadden 275 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:10,800 and cam Jones both had good games, and outside of that, 276 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,400 there just wasn't a whole lot else to talk about with this 277 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,000 team. Except, you know, I do have to 278 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,900 say, the wow, the punting was terrible. 279 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,600 I mean, James Evans, six pumps for an average of thirty four 280 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,500 point, seven yards, and that was with a 49 yarder. 281 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,800 That was pretty. All role in the mix. 282 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:35,400 I mean, at one point, he had a 25 yard punt followed by a 29 283 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,600 yard punt. I mean, really not good from 284 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,200 from the punting position and it's this match has a theme with 285 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:44,400 frankly, a lot of problems on special teams throughout the 286 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,700 course of the year whether it's bad. 287 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:50,600 Punting missed field goals touchdowns given up on returns 288 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,400 just a real systems failure for the special team so far this 289 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,300 season. Anyway, we had a lot of 290 00:14:55,308 --> 00:14:58,700 questions that people sent in and I wanted to try to get To, 291 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:00,300 as many of those as we could while. 292 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:03,600 Also, I think a lot of these match our own thoughts and 293 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,100 things that we've discussed and you know, I guess maybe let's 294 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:15,200 let's start here. And this is from Tamar Bates 295 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,100 Stan account because I think this is kind of the overarching 296 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:22,600 question that a lot of people have settled on coming into the 297 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,600 end of this season. And the question is this can Tom 298 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,700 Allen actually Salvage? This can he retain the fanbase 299 00:15:30,100 --> 00:15:33,700 following up 14 and 7 over 2 years with to bowl berths with a 300 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:36,700 season? This bad, I have my concerns 301 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,500 besides firing everyone. What else does he need to do? 302 00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:43,200 So let's let's start with the big Picture because we're going 303 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,600 to get into the firing thing. I guess a little bit later on, 304 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,900 but let's kind of set the scene for everybody. 305 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:52,000 You know, Indiana, obviously went eight and five and twenty 306 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,900 nineteen. That was a surprisingly 307 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:57,700 successful season. Last year, people were intrigued 308 00:15:58,100 --> 00:16:02,300 and then Indiana is basically exceeded expectations. 309 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:07,300 They finish with, you know, the in the top, 10 in the polls, a 310 00:16:07,308 --> 00:16:10,500 lot of options, you know, like optimism coming into this year, 311 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:14,300 you've got relatively High rankings, For Indiana, at least 312 00:16:14,300 --> 00:16:16,400 in the AP poll, coming into the season. 313 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,400 And you have not just a season that doesn't match those 314 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,600 expectations. But really one of the worst 315 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,900 seasons we've had in program history, after one of the best. 316 00:16:27,500 --> 00:16:29,900 So, can I highlight something on there? 317 00:16:29,900 --> 00:16:32,100 I'll squeeze some numbers. Go ahead because everyone's been 318 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:37,400 kind of pointing to 2011 as a as a Bad season, and rightfully. 319 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,000 So they also went over in the Big Ten that year, the other 320 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,400 really the only other oh I think was 95 like, so we're talking a 321 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,400 30-year stretch but I was playing around with some of the 322 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,400 numbers in 2011. So I was looking at, like, how 323 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,100 many games are weak competitive in in the Big Ten this year 324 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:56,600 versus that year. And the answer is two. 325 00:16:56,700 --> 00:17:00,400 If you count a seven-point spread a competitive game, we 326 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,700 are competitive and two big ten games this year to Big 10 games. 327 00:17:03,700 --> 00:17:06,800 In 2011, I played around with Excel and there's one a little 328 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:13,300 deeper in 2011, the point differential for Why you in the 329 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:18,400 Big Ten? Losses was 195 points in 2011? 330 00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:24,599 You would, it was in 2021 Galen. It was more 222. 331 00:17:24,700 --> 00:17:27,400 So there's a higher Point, differential I've not done 95 332 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,800 yet. But I mean, this puts us in, you 333 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,900 know, one of the worst, one of the worst seasons in 20 to 30 334 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:33,800 years. And I just sorry, I don't mean 335 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,000 to cut it on that, but it's like about it is it's, you know, look 336 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,700 based on no big 10 wins. You got to mark it up with the 337 00:17:40,700 --> 00:17:43,900 seasons where you go over in the Big Ten but it's like to me, you 338 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:48,400 know, I look at 2011 kind of answering the question here at 339 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,700 least in 2011 like when I look at some of the Players on that 340 00:17:52,700 --> 00:17:54,600 team. It's like you had a family. 341 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,000 Pull it up. Sorry I was it was a bad team. 342 00:17:57,500 --> 00:18:00,100 Well but you at least had a young tree Roberson's. 343 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:04,500 You had a young shade win and Kofi Hughes you had some guys 344 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:08,100 who were going to become better players later to me. 345 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:10,400 That's the scary thing about this season. 346 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,700 Is everything you're saying is right. 347 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:14,300 Sorry, I'm hijacking your point here, but it's fun. 348 00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:18,600 It, you know, the scary thing here is that there aren't a lot 349 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,900 of those young players that you can at least say, well, you 350 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:23,900 know, we have a Opie Hughes who might get better or a shade win. 351 00:18:23,900 --> 00:18:27,700 It's like we had them a collie who now is back behind us a 352 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:29,600 walk-on. We have a lot of guys like 353 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,800 McCarey ball, Peyton Hendershot like a lot of the guys here who 354 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:38,700 are doing well, our seniors and the other ones like are doing 355 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:41,900 nothing and like we still have half our leaderboard of offense 356 00:18:41,900 --> 00:18:43,800 or guys who haven't played since October. 357 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,800 Yeah and so that's the really scary thing is he can't even 358 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,100 look at and then she's a couple pods, you know, you can't even 359 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:51,400 look like well, hey, we got a couple young receivers a couple 360 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,100 of young. Use your guys just here working 361 00:18:53,100 --> 00:18:54,300 their way to the speed of the game. 362 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:58,400 It's like, no that we have no young freshmen who are at least 363 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,200 good enough to try and get in to a Purdue blowout. 364 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,100 And that's the part where I think no question this is this 365 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:09,200 is the worst place we've been in 25, 30 years which is remarkable 366 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,500 where we were as you were just alluding to well. 367 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:14,300 And this is where I think this gets to be a complicated 368 00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:19,600 question to answer because this I think about halfway through 369 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,800 the season was a disappointing season at the end of the season, 370 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,000 it's a season that went completely off the rails in way 371 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,100 that few seasons have like normally for Indiana football, 372 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:32,900 things are just bad all the way through. 373 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:36,500 There's no expectations in the team is terrible or the team is 374 00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:39,700 kind of like got mixed expectations and they tend to 375 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:43,000 finish like with four wins or five wins and occasionally, 376 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,100 they'll get that sixth win but this was a rare one where 377 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:47,900 everybody thought that the team was a lot further. 378 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:54,600 Along than they ended up being and they ended up basically 379 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,000 being the worst team in the Big Ten. 380 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,500 I understand. If you want to make an argument 381 00:19:57,500 --> 00:20:00,800 for Northwestern being worse than Indiana in this season, but 382 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,400 at least Northwestern won a game in conference and Indiana 383 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,700 didn't. So, that's, that's the tough 384 00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:12,800 question because it's not just a matter of can Indiana. 385 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,500 Can Tom Allen recover. This, it's like, what? 386 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:17,600 What's being recovered at this point. 387 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,700 I don't have Good handle on. I think it's obvious at this 388 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:25,500 point that Indiana was not as good as the rankings indicated 389 00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:29,200 last year, but they also weren't bad either like, I mean, the 390 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,900 winds were not a mirage. And yes, they might have won 391 00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:35,300 games largely against teams last year, that that didn't end up 392 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:38,200 with winning records, but they still won the games, where is 393 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,200 this year? They lost those games and badly 394 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:45,800 down the stretch. And so when you think of if you 395 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,100 go to 2019 I mean they were Eating, you know, they had a 396 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:51,800 four-game winning streak in the Big Ten, they beat Northwestern, 397 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,500 34 23, they but Rutgers 35 to nothing. 398 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:56,800 I mean, right? So, you know, it's like I would 399 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,600 be like I'm with you, it's not a mirage. 400 00:20:58,700 --> 00:21:01,000 So like so a lot of the question ends up being. 401 00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:03,600 How much weight do you put on what happened in? 402 00:21:03,608 --> 00:21:07,400 2019 and 2020 versus how much weight you put on what's going 403 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,300 on right now? But it's also not a matter of. 404 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:14,100 Well there's this there's an obviously stable core of players 405 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:17,100 because as you noted like this was a veteran team, this is a 406 00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:20,200 team that's got a lot of Players who are listed as seniors or 407 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,000 graduate students, who appear likely to leave. 408 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,600 I mean, you run down the list. You've got three, starting 409 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,400 offensive lineman, who fall into that category. 410 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:31,500 You've got a starting wide receiver. 411 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,800 You've got your starting running back at the start of the year. 412 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:39,400 You've got your starting tight end and I think your second 413 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,100 string tight end, I'm fairly certain that be Orson is a 414 00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:45,900 senior who would be graduating and then on the defeat, the 415 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:50,800 defensive side you've got I believe five of your starting 416 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,900 defensive lineman, Rider Anderson, Demarcus Elliott 417 00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:56,300 Western Kramer, Alfred Bryan and Michael ziemba. 418 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,100 You've got Mike and McFadden. You've got cam Jones, who are 419 00:21:59,108 --> 00:22:02,700 your two starting line backers. You've got Brian Fitzgerald, 420 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:05,700 who's your starting Husky and the reserve Husky and Marcelino 421 00:22:05,700 --> 00:22:08,400 McCrary ball. You've got Jaylyn Williams and 422 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,100 retailer. Who there may be some question 423 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:12,600 about them coming back. You've got Devon Matthews. 424 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,500 You've got Rahim Lane and Juwan Burgess. 425 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:19,200 Like that's most of your setup. Defensive player. 426 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,500 I one moment. No no no. 427 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:24,400 Moans only technically a junior. So well one could come back but 428 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,900 everybody else that I listed off there is listed as either a 429 00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:30,900 senior senior Plus or graduate student. 430 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:34,100 It is certainly possible that a few of the players could come 431 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:38,900 back because of the extra covid year, but that's a lot that is 432 00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:42,100 an awful lot that is just up in the air. 433 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:45,400 And I think the big concern I have right now is, you know, one 434 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,800 of the reasons why people were excited about this year was that 435 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,700 it A veteran team, yes, they suffered a lot of injuries but 436 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,600 still you had players that had played together in the system 437 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,600 for a while. That normally works its way out 438 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,300 somehow on the field where the team is able to overcome 439 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:06,600 obstacles and especially beat teams that aren't as veteran in 440 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,200 in in, you know, just being around for a long period of time 441 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,600 and it didn't work. And with all those injuries 442 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,100 you're thinking, well, if Indiana's got these younger 443 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:19,500 players who are You know, I've been coming through the 444 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:22,100 recruiting cycle or whatever you would think they'd be able to 445 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:26,100 step in and at least do something about what's going on 446 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:30,100 out there on the field and that really didn't happen at all and 447 00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:33,000 as the injuries took over and more younger players came in the 448 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,500 team got actively worse. So that's what do you? 449 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:38,100 Yeah. Go ahead. 450 00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:40,200 Forget to other quests. Have a question for you. 451 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,600 I mean, this is, you know, we're not, we're not Michigan, we're 452 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,600 not Michigan State. I think we don't have. 453 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,100 As deep of a kind of foundation, but in your history, you're a 454 00:23:52,108 --> 00:23:54,100 little more. Your better answer is kind of 455 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:58,800 just historical questions off-the-cuff have, you would 456 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,000 have you seen when programs that kind of our level or that 457 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,400 Medium? Level go off a cliff like, are 458 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,400 they recoverable? Because you look at Michigan. 459 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,700 It's like the narrative is kind of like all like, you know, they 460 00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:10,500 were there are starting to fall apart it's like but they you 461 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:12,200 know they want against Ohio State like he had a good year 462 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,000 this year. It's like dude, last year was a 463 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,900 mess for them. But they also do a bunch of 464 00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:17,900 weird cancellation stuff like two years ago. 465 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,200 In 99, you know, 2019, they were still mine and 4 6 & 3 in the 466 00:24:21,208 --> 00:24:24,800 Big Ten. Like it's it's very unusual to 467 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,500 just go over in your conference. That's really fine off a cliff. 468 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:30,700 So to be like, so I'm just I'm curious, are there other 469 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:34,500 examples of coaches in history who've gone over or fall off a 470 00:24:34,508 --> 00:24:35,900 cliff? And then brought it back because 471 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:37,100 normally. Yeah, Indiana. 472 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,800 It's like when that happens. It's either like Wilson's first 473 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,100 year, or like, Mallory's last year. 474 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,000 That's no. And I think it's an interesting 475 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,900 point. I mean, look, it does happen, 476 00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:48,600 normally, it's not this far off. Cliff like, you know 477 00:24:48,608 --> 00:24:51,900 Northwestern is probably the easiest analog for IU in the 478 00:24:51,908 --> 00:24:53,200 conference. I think northwestern's got a 479 00:24:53,208 --> 00:24:55,400 better infrastructure in terms of the way that they run their 480 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,700 program under Fitzgerald. But you know, they've dipped out 481 00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:00,600 of Bowl eligibility and then come back. 482 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,300 I mean that that two years ago versus last year was a great 483 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:06,700 example that way. They were 3 and 9 in 2019. 484 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:09,900 They came back when we're in the Citrus Bowl last year at seven 485 00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:14,000 and two, you know, we saw that happen with with Michigan State 486 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,300 where they would have tremendous seasons. 487 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,100 You know, the, you know, so you go back to for instance, 2015, 488 00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:25,300 they the three years prior to that they went Rose Bowl, 489 00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:27,800 Cotton, Bowl Cotton Bowl and then they went three and nine 490 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,800 and it was like what happened and then they came back and they 491 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,500 went to the Holiday Bowl, the following year and won 10 games. 492 00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:36,200 So, it does occur. I think the problem though, is 493 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:40,400 all of those programs, when they've had a really bad year, 494 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:43,700 they've had the infrastructure in place where it's like, well, 495 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:46,500 everything went wrong and this is something that we're going to 496 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:49,000 go back and rely on. There were only several greater 497 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,800 years of success. I don't see that right now with 498 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,800 IU and that that's a concern, you know? 499 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,500 The I mean, Kenji kuriyama grounded. 500 00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:01,300 Us asked what excites you about next season? 501 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,100 And I don't know because not this year, you know, all those 502 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:09,500 things that I rattled off like the, the Personnel loss, on the 503 00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:12,500 one hand, you can look at things and you can say, well, good that 504 00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:14,900 those guys didn't perform, but they did perform the previous 505 00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:16,300 two years. So I don't think it's as simple 506 00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,600 as that. You have seasons like this where 507 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,000 whatever is going wrong, you know, as much as this was a 508 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,600 mediocre season, a disappointing season with that loss to 509 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,000 Michigan State. They still could have gotten to 510 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,300 a bowl, it would have been a minor Bowl but there the path 511 00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:34,900 was still there and they responded by essentially 512 00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:38,500 scuttling the ship and you know the whole thing took on water 513 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:41,400 and you know, then suddenly you're losing to Rutgers by 35 514 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,200 points at home like this. So you do get these Seasons 515 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,600 where things go. So, completely off the rails 516 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,800 that it's almost hard to To separate what was actually bad 517 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:52,500 versus. What was guys just kind of 518 00:26:52,508 --> 00:26:54,600 throwing their hands up and saying, I don't know what to do. 519 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,200 And so, to answer kenji's question, what am I excited 520 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,700 about at this point. The only thing I'm really 521 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:06,700 excited about is seeing, what structural changes are made to 522 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:10,100 try to take the pieces that are still there and plug them back 523 00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:12,600 into something that they can believe in. 524 00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:15,200 And that's it. That's really, that's not a 525 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,300 great thing to be excited about frankly. 526 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,800 Is what you're now, you're basically back to this idea that 527 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,700 I don't know what to rely on, because Indiana is going into a 528 00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:29,200 2022 season without a proven starting quarterback, without a 529 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,200 running back, without any reliable wide receiver targets 530 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,700 with the possible exception of DJ Matthews, coming back with an 531 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:39,700 offensive line. That hasn't shown the ability to 532 00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:42,400 block for not just this past year, but really, for the last 533 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,300 couple of years and a defense that you spent so much time 534 00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:50,500 getting older Older and trying to put pieces together for a 535 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:53,400 season where they could capitalize on the ball. 536 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,400 Hawking nature of what they did in 2019 and 2020. 537 00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:00,500 You've lost all of those guys after a bad season, like what 538 00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,100 are you building back to at that point. 539 00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:03,500 So I don't know what I'm excited about. 540 00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:07,500 And that's this isn't the first year that I felt that way coming 541 00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:10,700 into an offseason but it's been like a decade since I felt this 542 00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:14,300 way where I'm just, like, I don't know what I'm supposed to 543 00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:17,800 get hyped about for 2022, because what I see, right now, 544 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,000 Now on the roster and in the coaching room has an inspired a 545 00:28:22,008 --> 00:28:24,400 lot of confidence in me, I mean, does anything stand out to you, 546 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,400 Scott? I mean I've hit this a couple 547 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,400 times it to me, it's a double-edged sword. 548 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,400 What I'm excited about is our schedule is a lot easier to 549 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,600 start the season, right? So as an ice Runway but I'm 550 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,500 nervous. It also makes me very nervous 551 00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:42,800 because to me, there's a ton of expectations for next season. 552 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,800 Also, they, they can't start like two and two because you 553 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,900 finished the season at Ohio. State home, depend State home to 554 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,900 Michigan at Michigan State at her home to Purdue. 555 00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,800 I mean, that's a, your ending the season with your with, 556 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,700 basically, what was the beginning part of our season 557 00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:59,400 this year. So you have this Gauntlet 558 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,000 hanging over you? They got to start good next year 559 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,900 and I'm very nervous a lot of expectations because if you go 560 00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:08,500 like if you go out and lose at Northwestern first game of the 561 00:29:08,508 --> 00:29:11,800 year or you can't beat Cincinnati on the road. 562 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,400 It's like there's you've got to get this figured out in the 563 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,600 offseason. So yeah, I'm nervous about the 564 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,800 easy schedule, start the year. They've got to get it done. 565 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,900 I'm also, you know, like you I want to see changes but it's 566 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:27,900 also it's like I'm nervous again because you're basically asking 567 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,100 Tom Allen is going to have to hit the transfer portal or find 568 00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,800 guys somewhere else. But it's like that is completely 569 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,900 against the his being of I stick with my guys that you're asking 570 00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:42,800 a coach now to on-the-fly kind of change his demeanor and 571 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,500 change his way of doing things, but he's going to have to 572 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,700 because like you said, we don't have a Quarterback going in the 573 00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:52,400 next year, the we can see a reliable quarterback, that's 574 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,600 willing to have the offense to the Bowl. 575 00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:57,900 You're going to basically have either an offensive coordinator, 576 00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:59,900 we're not interested in or a new one. 577 00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:02,200 Like there's just there's a lot of things that I don't like and 578 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,300 you're having a coach change, a lot of his believe. 579 00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:06,100 He's going to change a lot of his beliefs going on the next 580 00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:07,500 year. But the main thing that I don't 581 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:10,800 like is I'm not sure how good this team is going to be, but to 582 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,300 me, there's going to be not, the expectations are obviously going 583 00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:18,900 to be different than this season but there are Going to be real 584 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:22,700 expectations to start next year because if you start off slow, 585 00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:26,000 or you lose one or two games to start next year, then I think 586 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,600 everyone's going to think. Alright, 19 and 20 were the 587 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,700 Mirage? Like this is the reality? 588 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,100 Yeah. No. 589 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,200 I think there's a lot to that, and I think that there's a real 590 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,400 question mark right now about what, like, what is this 591 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,800 program, really? Because it's easy to, it's easy 592 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,000 to forget that at the end of the 2018 season, a lot of people 593 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,900 were very down Down on Tom Allen. 594 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,900 Now they've lost their second straight bucket game, they'd had 595 00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:54,000 their second straight five and seven season. 596 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,000 A lot of people looked at this team and said, Alan to be 5 and 597 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,200 7. I know, I know that's the thing. 598 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,800 It's like people but those were those were legitimate concerns 599 00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:07,500 at that point. And now, I mean, I don't think 600 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:12,000 anybody conceived of the idea that I you would be to intent. 601 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,300 Like the idea was the bar has been raised far enough to the 602 00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:17,700 point where that just isn't going to happen. 603 00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:19,900 Happen. Tom Allen has got something 604 00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:23,300 moving and so this this is we're both guilty of that. 605 00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:25,500 It was like we're Bowl. Sure the preseason like ours our 606 00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:27,400 floor is higher. Yeah, no question. 607 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,000 Our floor has been raised like, five wins is kind of our floor. 608 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,100 You know, we got a lot of questions about coaching changes 609 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:38,200 and I literally can't go through all of them. 610 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,600 But let me let me tackle a couple that are representative. 611 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:46,100 Well, first of all, So dr. Hoosier rights in is there any 612 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:48,500 one thing I you can build on going into next year? 613 00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:50,200 I've got nothing after thinking about it for a while. 614 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,200 I think as you mentioned it's probably the schedule and how 615 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,600 forgiving the schedule looks at the beginning of the year. 616 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,900 That's not really something to build on per se, but at least 617 00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:04,200 softens the runway for you as you're getting ready to go into 618 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,800 the season and I do think that counts for something because if 619 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,100 you can get confidence under your players early much like 620 00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:12,500 this season, spiraled out of control. 621 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:15,900 Roll, last year, went the opposite direction because they 622 00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:18,500 started off with that win versus Penn State and suddenly they 623 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:19,900 were rolling. And I think that does 624 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,000 particularly with the with the teams that Alan seems to put out 625 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,500 on the field belief. Self-belief really does seem to 626 00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:32,700 matter to them in a way that is maybe more important than it is, 627 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:37,100 for other teams who have more of a reservoir of process as 628 00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:41,200 opposed to a motion. Beyond that. 629 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,800 I'm having a hard time thinking of anything that they would 630 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,600 build off of gut feelings is from dr. 631 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,900 Hoosier right now, is that they keep the guys who can recruit 632 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:51,200 and turn over the rest of the staff 5 plus changes. 633 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,200 So this is where something that you mentioned. 634 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,700 I think makes a big impact on what is going to happen with 635 00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:02,100 this iut moving forward, which is what is Tom Allen believe and 636 00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:05,600 what is he willing to do to effect change? 637 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,600 Because, you know, Allen with the success of 2019 and the 638 00:33:09,608 --> 00:33:14,300 success. 20/20 really turned Elio into a brand. 639 00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:21,700 And this idea that this is a, it's a culture that Fosters love 640 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,000 it, Fosters support, it Fosters picking each other up. 641 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,200 And, you know, that's resonated I think with a lot of people, 642 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,300 it's one of the reasons why everybody was so excited about 643 00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:31,500 this team. It wasn't just that they had 644 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:36,000 one, you know, however, many 21 games in the previous two years 645 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,400 or 14 games in the previous, two years and had put themselves in 646 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,300 a position where They were being taken, seriously, but it was 647 00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:44,300 that it was such an easy thing to root for. 648 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:48,000 You know, people want the Tom Allen experiment to work. 649 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,500 They want this motivational type of coach, who is, you know, gets 650 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:55,700 a lot of comparisons to the Ted lasso character. 651 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:59,000 They want that to be something that works in college sports. 652 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,000 And I get that. But this is the downside, like, 653 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,000 it's easy to preach Elio on the and then you get a season where 654 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,100 your two and ten you got guys. Ring during the season before 655 00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:15,400 the bucket game, like the week of the bucket game and you can 656 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,500 clearly see just through a rudimentary evaluation of how 657 00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:23,400 the team is performing on the field that there are some 658 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,300 significant inadequacies in the way that the team is prepared. 659 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:28,400 The way that the play calls are coming down. 660 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:30,400 All of that. Well, what do you do then? 661 00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:33,800 Do you walk into the staff room and say guys, this is 662 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,400 unacceptable, I'm going to have to let a bunch of you go and 663 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,199 bring in new people, you know, if you look really closely, On 664 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,900 the list of people that coach football for Indiana, the 665 00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:46,400 assistant coach list. It is filled with people who 666 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,199 have coached with Tom Allen at previous stops, you know, 667 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,400 whether that is Darren Hiller who coached with him at 668 00:34:52,408 --> 00:34:55,800 Arkansas, State and Coach with him at South Florida, whether 669 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,100 it's Grant heard who coaches them at Ole Miss, whether it's 670 00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:00,900 you can keep going down the list. 671 00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:03,200 I mean, Cane wall Mac, when he was the defensive coordinator, I 672 00:35:03,207 --> 00:35:06,600 mean, he's the son of Alan's Mentor from a defensive 673 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,700 perspective, you know, he brings in a guy from IMG Adam e that he 674 00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:13,000 worked with in the past. I mean, this is very much, a 675 00:35:13,008 --> 00:35:17,800 family affair, for Tom Allen and I'm very curious if Tom Allen 676 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,900 looks at this and says I got to come in and I've got a 677 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,700 essentially clean house and start over with new people that 678 00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:29,400 I don't necessarily know. I don't know if that's actually 679 00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:32,400 in Allen's character. He may end up having to do it 680 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,800 because it's clear at this point that changes have to be made, 681 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,900 but it is a significant sea change from what Tom? 682 00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:43,200 Alan has done and said through his first five years. 683 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:47,000 Yeah, it's just it's not normally, you don't normally see 684 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,800 the culture of a football coach change much like, but this 685 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,100 season as you were laying that out of kind of reminds you of. 686 00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:54,600 Like if you start reading like Rich Dad, Poor Dad, fighting 687 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,400 Richard Kawasaki, so you start reading all. 688 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,700 This is great and it's good advice, and he really go and dig 689 00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:02,400 is ago, but he's declared bankruptcy three times, I'm 690 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,100 like, yeah, it's like yeah, it's like the culture is great to you 691 00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:07,300 dig into a little bit like that's but you're right. 692 00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:09,900 I mean, it is, you know, in reality. 693 00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:11,700 What Alan and again, it's easy for you. 694 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:14,500 And I sitting here on a podcast and I'm in our house is not 695 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:16,900 coaching football for the outside it but sometimes 696 00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:20,200 honestly, it's hard to see the forest for the trees when you're 697 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,900 in it, you know? But but to me my advice would be 698 00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:25,200 of Allen asked me. Which he's not, would be, you 699 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:25,900 gotta. Yeah. 700 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:27,500 You've got a higher completely differently. 701 00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:28,900 You got to hire people. You don't know. 702 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,400 Hire someone is gonna push you like someone who's going to push 703 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,800 you to go, you know, go against your grain it to really 704 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,300 challenge a lot of your beliefs because it doesn't feel like 705 00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:39,900 he's doing that. But yeah, I mean pointe-noire, 706 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,500 Ali football coaches. Don't Shane see pains this? 707 00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,100 This hard in their career and to be fair to Tom Allen. 708 00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:48,400 He did do that leading into the 2019 season. 709 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,900 He went out and hired Kaelyn Devore as offensive coordinator. 710 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,400 That was not a pretty well it was not a Surefire higher that 711 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,700 everybody thinks that it was I mean this was a guy who was the 712 00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:02,900 offensive coordinator at a Mountain West School who had had 713 00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:06,100 some success but there were some questions and that was a really 714 00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:08,800 good Higher by Tom Allen. The question is going to be. 715 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,100 Can he go? Didn't do that again. 716 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,500 And, you know, I think the the best way I could describe what's 717 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:19,100 happened this season. After thinking about it a lot is 718 00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,000 that you can lay a lot of the blame at the feet of Tom Allen 719 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,600 from an organizational perspective. 720 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,200 Because I think the most charitable reading is that he 721 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,700 took it incredibly naive viewpoint of what was going to 722 00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:35,700 work, coaching wise, and player wise, into this season, you 723 00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:39,900 know, I think that last year's success under very weird. 724 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,400 Circumstances that probably can't ever be fully repeated 725 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,800 because of covid and everything else. 726 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,700 I you had a bunch of things go their way and not throwing those 727 00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,000 back every program. Gets those every once in awhile, 728 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,100 we as we've talked about many times but I think those were 729 00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:59,800 misinterpreted, as items of success, that prove that what 730 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,700 Alan had decided was right, rather than being accidents of 731 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:06,300 circumstance that happen to play out in Indiana's favor. 732 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:09,500 And, you know, I think that goes up and down the roster. 733 00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:14,100 I think it goes on throughout the the the coaching room. 734 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,600 A lot of the things that we thought worked worked. 735 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,300 Not because they were what they were, but because of the 736 00:38:20,308 --> 00:38:24,600 circumstances that surrounded those things, and furthermore, I 737 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,300 think that Alan brought a certain level of naivete into 738 00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:31,000 this season in terms of his evaluation of his own Talent on 739 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,500 the roster. I mean, I keep going back, Scott 740 00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:37,800 to all of those those comments from Big Ten media day and from 741 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,200 the start of the Season, where Michael penix was throwing the 742 00:38:41,207 --> 00:38:44,800 ball better than he ever had and we had transfers coming in that 743 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,800 we're going to really make huge impacts and you had a guy and 744 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,800 Stephen Carr who was going to come in and be, you know, a 745 00:38:50,808 --> 00:38:54,000 top-notch back and none of those things proved true. 746 00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:56,500 That isn't to say that there weren't some successes in the 747 00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:59,400 offseason in terms of players that were brought in or the guys 748 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,500 that were, you know, coming back but it just feels like the 749 00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:07,600 expectations. Internally were way out of whack 750 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,900 from what the actual reality was and ahead. 751 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,900 Coach just has to be better and more realistic about figuring 752 00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:17,500 out what they've got and how they're going to go about 753 00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:20,100 game-planning with those things. And that includes the people 754 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:24,300 that are in the room with them making the decisions Yeah, I 755 00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:27,000 mean, the one of those, you know, part of this is coach, 756 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000 speaking of Coach never come out and say, Hey, you look like shit 757 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,900 and practice like it's gonna be a rough season. 758 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000 They always going to have some coach think about how guys are 759 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,100 looking really good and changing. 760 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:36,900 The the thing that again, I continue to go back to on this 761 00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:40,800 year where I feel a little bit duped is part of my expectations 762 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,600 and me being kind of excited for the year was based on the fact 763 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,800 that it sounded all indications were we were getting 100% penix 764 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,700 back and if that was the case, then I felt like our ceiling was 765 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:55,500 higher because He could drag things with him. 766 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,300 Well. Okay and it was, I thought it 767 00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:02,300 was either that or you were at least getting Jack, Tuttle, who 768 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:05,900 had quarterback throughout the spring and summer and was in the 769 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:08,200 system, you were going to have something. 770 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,900 And it look, I think a lot of this is the reality that it 771 00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:15,600 wasn't just the players as an issue. 772 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,300 It was also the systems that were being utilized, that were 773 00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:20,100 built around those players. Like there were a lot of 774 00:40:20,107 --> 00:40:22,500 inadequacies across the board. Anyway, go ahead. 775 00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:23,500 Yeah. Oh no. 776 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:25,400 Yeah and that's why like this is not on. 777 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,300 This has nothing to do with penix himself. 778 00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:29,400 It's just he's unfortunately that the guy at the center of 779 00:40:29,408 --> 00:40:33,200 this, that, you know, it bothers me that the coaching staff 780 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,800 either didn't test him enough in practice to to put him in a 781 00:40:36,808 --> 00:40:39,800 situation to see if he could succeed, if he was, you know, 782 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,300 how he was going to play against a team like Iowa, or they did. 783 00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:45,300 And they just didn't see anything again. 784 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,200 From everything that we saw penix was not ready to play at 785 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,700 an elite level this year. I think it's a fair statement. 786 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:55,600 He just didn't look Look 100% in a variety of ways. 787 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,600 And again, maybe that was maybe him at 70 per--. 788 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,000 Give me that was our best option. 789 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,100 But if that's the case, then. Yeah. 790 00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:05,300 You you gotta, you can't go in and just say he's great, he's 791 00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:06,700 gonna come back at a hundred percent. 792 00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:08,200 But that was the part that worries me, is? 793 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,500 It sounds like the little bits that I've heard, is that they 794 00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:14,300 kind of really didn't put a bunch of pressure on panics and 795 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,000 practice. Because, and then he looks 796 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,500 really good because it's like, he's placed be playing against 797 00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:21,100 no defense and that's, that's not great. 798 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,600 I don't know, I just, it feels They really miscalculated that 799 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,500 and kind of gave themselves The View that they wanted to have of 800 00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:32,000 what penix like this is we want him to be 100% so we're going to 801 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,300 create a view that looks like it and then we're going to be great 802 00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,600 and then it's like but now we're playing Iowa. 803 00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:40,000 Again, that's that's the real, that's a real defense that 804 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,400 connects the tough place to play. 805 00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:45,000 So that that misreading of, that really threw me off because it 806 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,400 felt like we never had a quarterback all year. 807 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,500 So again that bugged me. But yeah, it's you, you know, in 808 00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:54,700 a way Way too. If your Alan, this is a 809 00:41:54,707 --> 00:41:58,400 situation to you are. As you mentioned that the boat 810 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,300 is taking on water, like you are an SOS mode. 811 00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:04,100 Like this is where as you look at coordinators, you know, maybe 812 00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:07,600 this is where, you know, you take on a couple of coordinators 813 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,400 on your staff who can bring players the transfer portal like 814 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,000 a maybe you don't want them as coaches. 815 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,700 But it's like, hey, if you got a quarterback come on and be 816 00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:17,600 offensive coordinator, you can coach the old life. 817 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,600 Like I mean, this is where again, this is the thing that 818 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,500 concerns me is there's really no history. 819 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,800 Or example of Allen, even this season is things are falling 820 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,900 apart. He's standing by his guys Till 821 00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:32,300 The Bitter End, it's going to be a complete sea change to see 822 00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:34,700 Alan start doing things. Like, I'm just gonna get some 823 00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:37,900 transfers into take spots away from guys, who've been on my 824 00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:40,900 team like it's it's going to change Elio culture. 825 00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:45,100 I think there's a way that you can still have Elio but also 826 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:47,400 start doing some things you have to do to run a successful 827 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,300 football program, it's going to be a tougher needle to thread 828 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,100 but I worry that I'm not sure. Sure Allen's going to make all 829 00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:56,100 this is because, like I said, this is the point where it's 830 00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,900 like, hey, you got a quarterback you got a coordinator job on 831 00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:01,800 this team in my mind and this actually feeds into a question 832 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,700 we had from Mike, see, big picture, where does Elio go from 833 00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:08,100 here? The season seemed to prove that 834 00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:10,900 it doesn't mean much if you have poor coaching development, 835 00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:13,700 execution etcetera, sadly, it feels like the brand is kind of 836 00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:16,100 stained. How does Tom Allen turn this 837 00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:18,600 thing around? It's an it I think it's a valid 838 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,600 and important question because it is so woven. 839 00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:26,000 To the fabric of Tom Allen as head football coach. 840 00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:29,500 This idea that I'm not just a football coach, I'm also a 841 00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:35,100 Lifestyle brand, you know, I mean if it's and and look, 842 00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:38,100 that's that's happening a lot. Like I listened a couple of 843 00:43:38,107 --> 00:43:42,100 weeks ago to I think it was it was a South Carolina football 844 00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:44,600 game and they were going on in the last seven minutes about 845 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,100 Shane Beamer installing this culture of Love within the 846 00:43:48,107 --> 00:43:51,900 Gamecocks locker room. It sounded exactly like the Elio 847 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,900 sales. Pitch, but I think Mike brings 848 00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:59,300 up a good point. Elio is great when you're going 849 00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:02,300 eight and five, or you're winning, you know, six out of 850 00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:04,200 the seven games in a regular season. 851 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:09,700 But as happened in 2017 and 2018, when you don't go to a 852 00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:13,100 bowl, it invites. A lot of people to look at this 853 00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:19,200 and say look, this sounds like a great slogan but there's a bunch 854 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,100 of teams going to the postseason and Indiana is not you're going 855 00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:24,000 to need to do. Little more explaining or maybe 856 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,400 a little more tough. Love tle. 857 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,900 Oh, perhaps, you know, to make us believe that this is actually 858 00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:32,900 a sustainable model and here we are again. 859 00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:34,900 Also suffer you're going to and 10 and like when you well, 860 00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:36,700 someone in the balls, like that, it's like that. 861 00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:37,900 It's like, all right, where's Ellie? 862 00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:39,800 Oh well, and that's putting yourself up for and that's the 863 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,500 big. That's the big problem this year 864 00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:48,700 is that a season that was fully, you know, sewn in the bed of 865 00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:52,400 elio, the Elio garden and ends with a bunion. 866 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,100 No several guys transferring during the course of the Season. 867 00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,600 Not just at the end either like it wasn't just Javon sweatin. 868 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,100 It was also, you know, Tim Baldwin transfers in the middle 869 00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:04,200 of the year and get a couple of other players. 870 00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:08,100 You've got Tom Allen calling out his offensive coordinator in 871 00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:11,000 multiple press conferences. Even though he's not like 872 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,100 specifically doing it by name about not throwing the ball 873 00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:17,100 enough, you've got him calling out, his quarterback in press 874 00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:21,200 conferences for not throwing the ball enough, you've got, you 875 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,100 know, as you mentioned guy, Kicking another guy in the nuts. 876 00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,500 In the course of the old Oaken Bucket game, leading to a 877 00:45:27,508 --> 00:45:32,300 15-yard penalty, you've got a receiver, who's not even really 878 00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:35,900 making game attempts at getting first downs and things like 879 00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:37,600 that. I mean, it's just, it's hard to 880 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,100 look at that team and think other anything other than this 881 00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:44,700 looks like every other team that doesn't really care too much 882 00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:48,300 about itself and that is the exact opposite of the Elio 883 00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:50,500 brand. And I think, Mike's right, like 884 00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:54,700 as much as the last two years, We're great evidence of hey, 885 00:45:54,700 --> 00:46:00,700 this culture of elio can work. This is essentially the Yang to 886 00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:03,900 that Yin. This is the what gosh when 887 00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:07,500 everything goes wrong. You have to question, okay? 888 00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:09,700 What else is there besides the slogan? 889 00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:11,800 What else is what is the actual binding agent? 890 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,800 Because it didn't seem to last through the acid test of things 891 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,400 going, wrong throughout the course of the year and is, as 892 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,100 Matt Blasco pointed out in, or at least asked in his question, 893 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,000 let me get down to it here real quick. 894 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,800 As I mentioned, there were a lot of looking that up at this 895 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,800 reminds. How does that? 896 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,600 How does IU football recover from this? 897 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,100 This wasn't a five and seven season that we ran into good 898 00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:33,700 teams. This was a season where they 899 00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:35,900 weren't competitive for the last five weeks and that's really 900 00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:38,700 what It's down to like uh I guess the only other thing. 901 00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:42,600 Yeah, go ahead. Like it reminds me very much 902 00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:46,400 also as a fan. Here's my take is reminds me of 903 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,900 God. This was like six or seven years 904 00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:50,400 ago or five when they had the Breakthrough. 905 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,100 Like that was a big marketing slogan, like you and I just we 906 00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:56,500 lost our minds over that because it's like these are the games 907 00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:58,600 you got to break through. Like it's just it drove me 908 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,400 bonkers and what do they stepped off of that? 909 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,600 And kind of went away like fine, you can keep Elio keep it on the 910 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,700 front of the helmet but like to me Me just as a fan, like, let's 911 00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:09,800 step back from the Elio. Think don't get off that but 912 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,200 like, let's just take it down a notch and like, I don't want to 913 00:47:13,207 --> 00:47:15,400 hear about it as much. We start winning again. 914 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,500 Like if you start off rough next year, like I'm I'm not going to 915 00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:21,700 want to hear more Elio talk. I think that's also something 916 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,600 your lifestyle brand that cracks me up. 917 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,400 It's like that's that is a valid. 918 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,400 I was again with with marketing Alan Doug. 919 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,400 Look you still have Elio but you gotta just tone it down until 920 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,000 you start winning again because so it gets very very aggravating 921 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,700 To deal with that kind of Pious, this when you're losing well, I 922 00:47:39,707 --> 00:47:42,800 wouldn't so much Terminus Pious - as much as I would look at it 923 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,900 and say, that's right. That's right where you're right. 924 00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:49,300 It's their look, there's a lot to be said in human psychology 925 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,300 for small easily identifiable and, you know, slogans that are 926 00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:56,900 easy to latch onto in the locker room. 927 00:47:56,900 --> 00:48:00,700 Certainly, I think that a lot of successful coaches try to 928 00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:05,500 distill things down to a very small like core element that 929 00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:08,700 Layers focus on and that's it. And you know, every year we hear 930 00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:11,400 this with Alan like what's your one word for this year? 931 00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:13,900 And look I don't like there's anything inherently wrong with 932 00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:17,800 that and in fact I think that to some degree maybe that has 933 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,500 helped Indiana at points my big problem and I would actually 934 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:27,100 divorce this from the Elio sloganeering and I would focus 935 00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:32,500 this on another aspect of the program is that I just I fail to 936 00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:35,900 see where the infrastructure is right now with this team. 937 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,200 That allows them to easily bounce back from stuff, not just 938 00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:42,200 overall with this season, but in individual moments throughout 939 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,500 the course of games, you know, I've been harping on this for a 940 00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:46,400 while now. Really. 941 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,000 I mean, this goes back to in the Wilsons 10-year and before, it's 942 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,300 not like this is unique to Tom Allen but Indiana's teams always 943 00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:57,000 struggle with discipline. They always struggle with 944 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,700 penalties, they struggle with. I mean, there were the number of 945 00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:05,500 snaps that just weren't completed in the game versus 946 00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:07,100 Purdue. Made you wonder, like, do they 947 00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:10,600 practice snapping the ball? There's so many little errors 948 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,500 that other teams that are successful. 949 00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:14,600 Maybe not more talented, but more successful. 950 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,300 Just don't make, you know, when you look at the Iowa's and the 951 00:49:18,308 --> 00:49:21,600 northwestern's, you know, and to some degree, even the Michigan 952 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,800 State's so much of what they've done and what they've built 953 00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:28,200 their little mini Empires on has been focused on look, we're 954 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,400 never going to out recruit Ohio. State were never going to out 955 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,500 recruit Michigan. What we are going to do is make 956 00:49:33,500 --> 00:49:35,800 sure that we've got the fundamentals down, the make 957 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,300 sure. Our special teams are top-notch. 958 00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:42,100 Make sure that our our lines may not be the most physically 959 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,600 imposing, but they block with great technique. 960 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,600 I see none of that with Tom Allen's Indiana, I see, you 961 00:49:49,607 --> 00:49:53,900 know, last year, I saw a team that survived on in the early 962 00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:58,300 going explosiveness and in the late going turnovers and as many 963 00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:02,400 people pointed out, that's not really a sustainable model and 964 00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:04,900 you know, we were overly optimistic and where we 965 00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:07,200 shouldn't have been in thinking. That maybe those things could 966 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,300 sustain but when you have a season like this, where the 967 00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:14,100 turnovers don't come and the offense isn't able to put those 968 00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:17,400 explosive plays out there because they just can't block 969 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,900 and can't keep plays alive long enough to do things then it 970 00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:24,500 really does return. My mind to the idea of I don't 971 00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:27,100 think the love is the issue. I think the discipline is the 972 00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:33,500 issue and Allen through. Now, five years I I don't I 973 00:50:33,508 --> 00:50:36,600 haven't seen that particular aspect of this program Get 974 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,300 better. And to me, it has to if Indiana 975 00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:42,700 wants to keep this sustainable. Because when we talk about those 976 00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:45,700 other teams that have bad Seasons, like I said before, 977 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,800 they always have that to fall back on and they can make it 978 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,900 look like guys gets. Let's let's get back to our 979 00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:53,600 fundamentals, I don't know what Indiana's fundamentals are like, 980 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,600 what like what are we hanging? Our hat on in a program. 981 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,600 If it is Elio, if that's what you're hanging. 982 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,000 Your hat on, I think we've seen through this season, that that 983 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,700 can go off the rails very quickly. 984 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,900 There needs to be something more technical. 985 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,300 One more technique based that is the focus of what this program 986 00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:13,800 is doing going to blasquez question about like, how do you 987 00:51:13,808 --> 00:51:16,500 turn this around? You know, the, I don't know if I 988 00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:19,900 do, if I have been don't have answers but the other piece that 989 00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:24,300 makes me very nervous, kind of the scary dystopian view is if 990 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,100 you go micro and macro. If you take the Cincinnati game 991 00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:30,500 is kind of a microcosm of this season. 992 00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:33,900 Everything's going good. They're kind of on a roll and 993 00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:35,900 then you have the Mike McFadden targeting hit. 994 00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:38,800 It's like the defense never recovered from that and then 995 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,100 it's like we're fumbling we're having Red Zone problems. 996 00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,000 Like to your point. There was already some of those 997 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,900 things happening before that hit, but it's like that 998 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,800 targeting, hit happened McFadden's out. 999 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,700 And then it's like, well, now we're just we're not allowed to 1000 00:51:50,707 --> 00:51:53,000 have a functional defense, like now we just, we got to give up 1001 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,700 five straight, you know, scoring drives, but then if you go 1002 00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:59,400 macro, you know, it's like that. Mike McFadden hit ended our 1003 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,200 season, but you go macro that slide started. 1004 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,600 The Cincinnati game. Yeah. 1005 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,800 We beat Western Kentucky by 2. Like barely and then we didn't 1006 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,300 win again. It's like then that's what 1007 00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:13,900 really frightens me is. We couldn't stop the mental 1008 00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:17,800 slide in that game, fine like that happens to teams that you 1009 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,900 can have a play where it's like, it's just too much and like, 1010 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,400 it's happening in real time. It's not ideal, but it's not the 1011 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,400 end of the world, but to let that basically what feels like 1012 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,100 slide extend out for the rest of the season. 1013 00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:31,000 There's no stopping point where like, Hey, we're going to get 1014 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,600 our together for one game and kind of Bring It Back Together, 1015 00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:36,900 you let it just. Into the abyss. 1016 00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:39,900 That's what really scares. Me is, if you go micro-macro, 1017 00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:42,800 like how do you slop that? Stop this slide from going into 1018 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,900 next year? I don't know. 1019 00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:47,300 And I don't think again that keep on harp coming back to 1020 00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:49,200 this, to me. It's not going to be changes 1021 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,200 around the margins. You have to just almost have an 1022 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,700 entire seismic change of everything on this program, 1023 00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:59,100 which is mind-boggling because it felt like we were going in 1024 00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:01,600 the right direction, but it almost feels like we're starting 1025 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,200 4.0. It's a blast is question. 1026 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,700 I don't know that. That's what scares me is. 1027 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,500 To me like that Cincinnati game is a micro of the macro of the 1028 00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:11,900 entire year and how do you stop that? 1029 00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:14,800 Because that's the other thing we haven't shown like how do you 1030 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,400 stop this slide because Tom Allen hasn't shown that he can 1031 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,400 stop. The slide, we are currently in. 1032 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,700 So until that could they answered, I don't know. 1033 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,700 Well, the argument I guess would be twofold if you were taking 1034 00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:31,400 the perspective of Allen or defending Allen and it would be 1035 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,900 a injury sent the thing off the rails, you lost. 1036 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,100 Your starting quarterback, you lost your starting running back, 1037 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,400 you lost several key members of the defense and you know, what 1038 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,200 are you going to do? You've lost that many people. 1039 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,100 Now, you could just call this a huge. 1040 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,100 Coincidence. Perhaps, I think the other 1041 00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:56,500 argument that you would make in favor of the perspective that 1042 00:53:56,500 --> 00:54:00,600 things aren't unrecoverable is that it was a very tough 1043 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,700 schedule and Indiana kind of got the Daylights beaten out of them 1044 00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:05,900 in the first half of the season and just kind of lost their will 1045 00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:07,900 to compete. And, and any coach would have 1046 00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:12,100 trouble recovering a program that has, you know, so that 1047 00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:16,400 suffered as many injuries and as many early crushing losses from 1048 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,900 a, you know, a mentality. T perspective and look maybe 1049 00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:23,500 there's something to that. I guess the flip side argument 1050 00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:28,000 that I would make is this team was bad from the word. 1051 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,500 Go. You know the falling behind Iowa 1052 00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:35,500 by as much as they did early in that game was not an accident 1053 00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:37,400 because we've seen over the course of the Season. 1054 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,900 Like this was not, yes. I know. 1055 00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:41,600 I was going to the Big Ten title game, but this is an Iowa team 1056 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,900 that has. I mean, they lost to Purdue 1057 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,500 they, they've struggled in certain games, they're not the 1058 00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:49,900 world. That they looked like in that 1059 00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:54,600 Indiana game at the beginning of the year and at every point 1060 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,100 along the way you know yes Indiana was competitive against 1061 00:54:58,100 --> 00:54:59,400 Cincinnati. Yes. 1062 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,000 They were competitive against Michigan State but they still 1063 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,200 lost those games. And then when you look at the 1064 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,300 way that the players played in the season played out, it's hard 1065 00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:12,000 to get very optimistic even if you wanted to take the injury 1066 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,600 thing into account because you're losing so much production 1067 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,000 going into next year as we talked about already. 1068 00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:20,800 You're losing so many of the players that you were going to 1069 00:55:20,808 --> 00:55:22,600 rely on this year. That didn't perform. 1070 00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:27,300 It's not like those players can, you know, have a deep think to 1071 00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:29,800 themselves and just work really hard in the offseason and come 1072 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,500 back and get better. Many of those players are just 1073 00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:34,300 going to be gone and now you're replacing them with unproven 1074 00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:37,500 people and you still don't have the core issues of. 1075 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,200 Well, what's the offense? Like, how does that approach? 1076 00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:43,700 Is the defense still good. Is that, you know, I mean it 1077 00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:48,800 under Under Tom Allen, this defense has been consistently 1078 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,600 pretty good. This defense got really bad over 1079 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,400 the course of the Season, some of that and much of that. 1080 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,500 On this podcast we've attributed to you know they were actually 1081 00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:00,400 playing really well at the start of the year and the lack of 1082 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,600 offensive production eventually just ground their mentality into 1083 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,000 the dust but fact of the matter is like by the end of the 1084 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,600 season, the defense wasn't really defending anybody. 1085 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,500 I mean it was pretty much open season whether you were Rutgers 1086 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,500 or Minnesota or You all those offenses had their way with this 1087 00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:20,800 Indiana defense. I have a hard time attributing 1088 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,300 all of that to just a poor mentality from the offense not 1089 00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:28,000 performing and so it Scotland and I'm not, I'm not going, I 1090 00:56:28,008 --> 00:56:31,300 know you're I know you're taking I'm not arguing with you on this 1091 00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:36,000 but like to me the counter to the schedule argument would be I 1092 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,200 think it's it's somewhat Fair it's like the Rutgers game 1093 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,100 stands out as like a really hard thing to to navigate with the 1094 00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:45,000 schedule but to me it's like all right fine. 1095 00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:48,300 The schedule was really tough to start the year you were. 1096 00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:50,700 If that was your side, my point would be all right. 1097 00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:55,600 Well, I will see you next year on October 22nd 2022 because 1098 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,800 next year, schedule starts off easier and like Michigan state 1099 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,600 was in a similar situation this year. 1100 00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:03,300 They started eight know. So, how about you? 1101 00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:06,800 I you next year, you have seven easy me. 1102 00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:10,400 Quote, air quotes easier games to start the year before you get 1103 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,400 into the meat. How about you start six in one. 1104 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,800 Like let's let's talk then it to me it's like I'm going to check 1105 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,300 out until and see if you can Art the next year for no. 1106 00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:18,800 Yeah. And then we'll get interested. 1107 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,900 But it's like that's kind of, unfortunately, where you leave 1108 00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:25,700 the fan base is if you're gonna get, I know, it's not you Galen. 1109 00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:28,000 But, like, if you're gonna take those sides, like, all right. 1110 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,300 Well, then I'll see you next year. 1111 00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:31,700 Like, I'll just, I'll check out. And then, if you don't show up 1112 00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:34,300 in those early games, and I'm out because like, I know, we 1113 00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:36,800 don't have what it takes to beat Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan, 1114 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,200 State, Purdue Penn State. But you can still, if you start 1115 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,900 six in one next year, maybe you get the ball rolling downhill, 1116 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,300 and maybe you can beat Penn State at home, like who, Uno's 1117 00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:50,600 like let's see how things roll. But yeah, it's like then you 1118 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,700 again. That's where next year becomes a 1119 00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:55,500 weird year where I'm not sure we're going to be good but 1120 00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:58,400 there's pretty hot. There's higher expectations to 1121 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,800 start off really good. So you know as we kind of enter 1122 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,500 the home stretch of this podcast I'll say this I think that a lot 1123 00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:09,500 of the questions have revolved around, you know what what 1124 00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:12,100 changes are going to get made on this staff? 1125 00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:16,200 And what is Alan going to do? Some have asked, you know, Do 1126 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,700 you move on from a lot of people. 1127 00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:20,000 Look at Kalin tube or look at came Wommack first of all, that 1128 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,900 won't happen, and I don't think it should. 1129 00:58:21,900 --> 00:58:24,300 I mean, here's the thing. I, first of all, it's a 1130 00:58:24,308 --> 00:58:27,700 financial and possibility at this point it's a 34 million 1131 00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:30,800 dollar buyout and a lot of people have said, well gosh, 1132 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,400 that was a foolish move by I you but I do think it's important to 1133 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,000 keep in mind that even if Indiana has what everybody 1134 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,600 assumed is going to be a disappointing season this year 1135 00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,800 and finishes like six and six or seven and five if you look 1136 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,600 around the country at all of the Openings that are in coaching in 1137 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,400 college football. Right now, you know, I mean, 1138 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:55,100 Florida LSU USC. Virginia Tech. 1139 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,700 I mean, there's several programs that are out there. 1140 00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:02,200 I know it looks silly now to give that big of a buyout to Tom 1141 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,900 Allen, but if you really feel strongly and I think there's 1142 00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:07,700 every reason to feel strongly about Tom Allen after 2019 and 1143 00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:11,100 2020, that this is the guy that you want to make sure that you 1144 00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:13,900 keep the guy that you don't have to go hunt for a new coach. 1145 00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:16,900 Of course, you give that kind of in a Tension you, of course, you 1146 00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:19,800 give that kind of a buyout, because that's the cost of doing 1147 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,900 business in college football. Right now mean, Michigan State, 1148 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:28,200 gave a much larger and more financially naked extension to 1149 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,900 Mel Tucker. We don't know if that guy's 1150 00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:31,900 actually good. We know he had a good season 1151 00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:34,500 this year with a bunch of transfers but we don't have that 1152 00:59:34,500 --> 00:59:36,700 guy's actually good but you have to do that. 1153 00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:38,600 Now, does it tie Indiana's hands? 1154 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:39,900 A little bit. Sure. 1155 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,800 But I also think that as irritating as this season has 1156 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,700 been, you have to give Tom Allen sufficient credit for what 1157 00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:52,000 happened in 2019 and what happened in 2020 to say, 1158 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,900 alright, Tom, we're going to entrust you with the program as 1159 00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:57,100 up and down or and mostly down is Indiana. 1160 00:59:57,100 --> 01:00:00,900 Football has been historically, we're not in a position yet 1161 01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:04,200 where we are going to be a Destination type of job, where 1162 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,600 we're going to be able to go out and just hire whoever we want. 1163 01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:12,000 And you don't just throw away those two seasons and act like 1164 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,000 they didn't exist. And if you don't, give that kind 1165 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,400 of a buyout extension, you're probably not going to That coach 1166 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,200 because he's probably at Florida, Florida State, maybe 1167 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:25,000 maybe by now, if you don't do that, that said, Alan has got 1168 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,900 basically three years to play with to get this program back on 1169 01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:31,500 track. So what does he need to do? 1170 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,200 The first thing, obviously, is he has got to get a better 1171 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,700 offensive system in place. You know, the thing that's been 1172 01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:44,300 noticeable about IU football in the Tom Allen tenure is that 1173 01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:49,500 Alan loves to hire Fire basically a chief executive 1174 01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:54,600 officer for offense and let that person run with it Allen either 1175 01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,000 doesn't have the confidence in his grasp of offense to do 1176 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,800 things or just feels like, you know, he's a defensive guy. 1177 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,500 The offense needs to be left to the offensive coaches in some 1178 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:06,800 cases. I think that's actually an 1179 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,500 admirable trait. You got to, you got to be aware 1180 01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:12,800 of what you're not aware of in football, but he's got to do a 1181 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,800 better job of hiring, as you know, the mike deboard. 1182 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,800 Word hiring was not a good hire but it was somebody that Alan 1183 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:24,800 trusted and, you know, that offense was not great, but it 1184 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,100 also wasn't the worst offense in power 5 football. 1185 01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:33,000 The Kalin de bourgh higher was inspired and in one year in one 1186 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,800 offseason the offense suddenly transformed into something. 1187 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,300 It was able to win football games, the next Sheridan. 1188 01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:42,300 Higher was the higher that you make when you feel like your 1189 01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:45,800 system is up and running and you can bring anybody in. 1190 01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:48,000 And train them up and he had done that on the, on the 1191 01:01:48,008 --> 01:01:50,900 defensive side, like the cane Wommack, higher was kind of the 1192 01:01:50,900 --> 01:01:54,300 same sort of higher it worked. There, it didn't work with Nick 1193 01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:56,400 Sheridan. He has to realize that and he 1194 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,400 has to move on and it's nothing personal. 1195 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,800 But this was, as I mentioned on several occasions, this year, 1196 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,700 this was among the worst offenses in the entirety of the 1197 01:02:06,700 --> 01:02:08,800 power 5 and that's a real problem. 1198 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,700 And, you know, we need to go inside the numbers real quick on 1199 01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:16,100 this Scott. And just a reminder that when Go 1200 01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:18,000 inside the numbers. 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That is pretty good. 1212 01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:56,900 I mean it gives you a lot of insight information, a lot of a 1213 01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:59,200 lot of thoughts and perceptions on game. 1214 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,500 So check out the power rank.com /, AC free newsletter, sign up 1215 01:03:03,500 --> 01:03:05,300 for it. You won't regret it. 1216 01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:09,300 Be sure to check out the power rank for some higher level 1217 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,200 analysis, on college, football and basketball. 1218 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,400 But anyway, looking at the numbers when I just want to the 1219 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,000 power rank, you'll see the numbers for. 1220 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,000 Are you offense? Just not good, right? 1221 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,200 That's all says, that's not good. 1222 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,600 Not good. There's no numbers. 1223 01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:22,800 But, you know, you look at you look at the grades right now. 1224 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,000 For this, I you team this year and it's, it's just it's so 1225 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,700 clear where the problems came into being with this team, you 1226 01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:35,700 know, across and ironically, you know, this last game against 1227 01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:37,600 Purdue from a yardage perspective. 1228 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,500 Just from a moving, the ball perspective was among the better 1229 01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:43,200 games at Indiana had played, but across the course of the season, 1230 01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,700 the passing game was just really bad. 1231 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,300 Bad in so many games. So many different levels 1232 01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:51,200 throughout the course of the year, the blocking was not good 1233 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,000 there and you know even Beyond just the basics of for instance 1234 01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:58,000 the quarterback play for different quarterbacks played 1235 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,200 frankly, none of them looked good at any point throughout the 1236 01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,300 course of the Season receivers struggled to get open. 1237 01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:08,400 The line struggled to block, you have to hit the reset button on 1238 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,300 that. Tom Allen has to realize that 1239 01:04:10,300 --> 01:04:13,700 whatever he's done up to this point is what led to this and 1240 01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:18,300 that there were signs of this Steer that blew up into 1241 01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:21,000 full-blown symptoms this year so that has to be addressed. 1242 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,100 And I think other and it is a good start. 1243 01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:25,400 Just real quick like to your point about like you just a 1244 01:04:25,408 --> 01:04:28,800 realities of, you know, having to pay Alan what you pay. 1245 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,200 Like, there's also just a reality. 1246 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,500 He has to understand too that this is just business, but if he 1247 01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:36,400 doesn't fire Nick Sheridan, when you said, he has like a 1248 01:04:36,408 --> 01:04:38,400 three-year window, it's like he's kind of cutting a year off 1249 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,200 his own window. If he doesn't do that this 1250 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,200 season is like, all right. You're down to two years. 1251 01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,100 Maybe one year. It's like you're now putting 1252 01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:46,000 your own self. It Risk. 1253 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,400 And if he doesn't do it, if he doesn't do that are often still 1254 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,100 bad next year. It's like the only other 1255 01:04:50,100 --> 01:04:51,400 options. Like, all right, well then we 1256 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:52,800 got start. Look, he's getting rid of out. 1257 01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:54,800 I don't want to say that. I don't want to go there, but 1258 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,300 the he has to understand that to that. 1259 01:04:56,300 --> 01:04:59,400 This is the order of operations is like a things go really bad. 1260 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,600 On one side of the ball as the head coach. 1261 01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:03,700 That's what you replace. And that gives you that 1262 01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:05,800 three-year window to kind of figure things out, but if you 1263 01:05:05,808 --> 01:05:08,100 don't do that, you're kind of bucking the trend. 1264 01:05:08,100 --> 01:05:10,300 And now, it really does gonna all fall on you. 1265 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,400 Well, and look. And this is again, it's nothing 1266 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,000 personal with Sheridan. You know, this, that we went 1267 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,500 through the same thing. Doug Mallory, almost a decade 1268 01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:19,400 ago. Where Mallory was the defensive 1269 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,000 coordinator, he's a legacy name in the IU program and the 1270 01:05:22,008 --> 01:05:26,600 defense's were just awful and yeah, it like you do a couple of 1271 01:05:26,607 --> 01:05:28,100 years of that. You see the things are not 1272 01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:29,400 trending the way that they need to train. 1273 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,900 You got to make a change, it's just the way that the business 1274 01:05:31,900 --> 01:05:35,500 works and you know I think Alan above all else. 1275 01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:39,800 Has to realize that in this goes back to the question or the 1276 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:44,700 thoughts that that Mike. See shared if Elio is your brand 1277 01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:47,200 and you want to, you want to To put forward this idea that you 1278 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,500 have a specific style and approach to coaching football 1279 01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:52,600 that's better than what you would get elsewhere. 1280 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,000 You have to have some results that go behind that you're 1281 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,200 actually endangering that brand and you're endangering the 1282 01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:03,800 Indiana football brand. By creating a situation where 1283 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,800 your system doesn't actually look like it results in any sort 1284 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,400 of successes long-term. Like if it's just flashed on the 1285 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,900 pan sort of stuff that doesn't have the same level of 1286 01:06:11,900 --> 01:06:15,200 consistency Allen. As you mentioned earlier, has to 1287 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,200 start taking really hard looks at everybody. 1288 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,500 On a staff and saying look we've been here for five years. 1289 01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:21,900 What have we accomplished? And where is where? 1290 01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:24,100 Things trending right now? Yes, there have been some 1291 01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:27,000 recruiting successes. Those did not play out on the 1292 01:06:27,008 --> 01:06:27,900 field. Yes. 1293 01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:29,300 The team will probably be better. 1294 01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:31,900 Maybe a couple of years. Now, but what you're looking at 1295 01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:35,200 next year is going to be a young team that's going to need some 1296 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,700 veteran coaching leadership from people who have won at the 1297 01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:40,700 highest levels. And I think the thing that I 1298 01:06:40,700 --> 01:06:43,200 keep coming back to Scott is Alan. 1299 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:48,700 I, in my opinion, has to go out and say, look, we have to get 1300 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,400 and pay for an experienced offensive coordinator. 1301 01:06:53,100 --> 01:06:57,500 Who can come in and no BS, just rearranged what Indiana's 1302 01:06:57,500 --> 01:06:59,900 offense does it? We've seen it happen. 1303 01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:02,200 Elsewhere in College football. There's no reason why it can't 1304 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,500 happen here, but it's going to require Allen going out and 1305 01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:09,200 getting somebody who is already proven rather than trying to 1306 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,000 cultivate somebody from the ground up. 1307 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,900 Like he's done with all of his coordinator hires thus far 1308 01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:16,800 except for Mike deboard. You go across the board. 1309 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,700 It's like all of them. I mean yes came Wommack worked 1310 01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:23,200 out but Nick Sheridan. Didn't Kalin Deboer worked out 1311 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,700 you know. The so he's actually technically 1312 01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:28,300 I think had more successes than failures. 1313 01:07:28,300 --> 01:07:30,400 I think the jury's still out on Charlton. 1314 01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:35,300 Warren certainly, but you can't afford to take a dice roll on 1315 01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:37,600 the coaching changes. You have to go out and get 1316 01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,500 proven people that's going to cost money. 1317 01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:42,000 But that essentially is the stratosphere that Indiana put 1318 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,200 itself in when it gave Tom Allen, the big contract. 1319 01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,000 Indiana said, we want to be successful at football. 1320 01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:49,700 We need to be successful at football. 1321 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,700 You have to take those managerial changes seriously 1322 01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:57,400 because honestly, if Alan replaces, the guys that need to 1323 01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,000 be replaced right now with people. 1324 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:05,300 Who are similarly, not of a power five caliber. 1325 01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:07,300 I think you're going to run into the same problems over and over 1326 01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:10,300 again. And then look, I think Alan 1327 01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:13,300 really has to dip into the transfer market in a way that he 1328 01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:17,300 has not yet so far as a coach. There were some successes coming 1329 01:08:17,300 --> 01:08:18,800 out of the transfer market this year. 1330 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,300 I think, certainly DJ Matthews looked very promising. 1331 01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,600 And then of course you got injured, you know, certainly I 1332 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,100 think Kramer and Anderson. We're successful relatively 1333 01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:32,800 speaking Anderson in. Ocular there were some busts out 1334 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,300 of the Transformer, you're going to get that, but that is going 1335 01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:38,000 to be the like, Steven car looked pretty good and it's hard 1336 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,800 to say if he was good or not based on how bad a line was. 1337 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,899 But he looked serviceable. So, it is one of those 1338 01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:48,500 situations where in the area that you're in, it is possible 1339 01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:50,399 to right the ship relatively quickly. 1340 01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:53,399 If you make the right decisions as you mentioned, you bring in 1341 01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:56,100 coordinators who can bring in their own people and expand the 1342 01:08:56,108 --> 01:08:58,100 network of players that you're drawing from. 1343 01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,899 Indiana at this point. I don't think I can afford 1344 01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:07,200 another season where they don't go to a bowl, just from a 1345 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,300 perceptional perspective. Look, if you're trying to get 1346 01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:14,000 people excited and you've got this relatively soft Runway to 1347 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,700 start the season. Next year, you have to take 1348 01:09:15,700 --> 01:09:19,399 advantage of that by getting players in who can re-establish 1349 01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:21,300 confidence. And you know, look I think to 1350 01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:24,000 some degree were kind of seeing that with the basketball program 1351 01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:28,500 right now and I you where the key players for IU, some of them 1352 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,000 are guys. That came back. 1353 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,899 But the difference that Xavier Johnson, for instance, has made 1354 01:09:34,100 --> 01:09:36,800 the difference that Parker Stewart has made in the way that 1355 01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,000 those offenses. The offensive Rhythm flows, the 1356 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,500 way the defense goes all throat Miller cop in there as well, 1357 01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:45,000 that is change the mentality in part of this team and that's 1358 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,399 essentially what's going to have to happen with IU football. 1359 01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:50,700 It's a lot harder when you're replacing. 1360 01:09:50,899 --> 01:09:53,500 There's so many players in football, it's hard to do it, 1361 01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:56,200 but I think the idea is, if you can bring in people who can push 1362 01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,900 internally, that's going to get the guys. 1363 01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:01,400 You are coming back back on board. 1364 01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,100 Get them excited. You know, we've seen big 1365 01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:05,900 turnarounds from year to year in college football. 1366 01:10:05,900 --> 01:10:07,600 There's no reason why I can't happen again. 1367 01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:11,500 But Alan has to put a better infrastructure in underneath or 1368 01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:14,600 I really do worry about what Indiana would be able to do 1369 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,600 coming in the next year. Yeah, and you mentioned to me 1370 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,700 that he's going to have a couple of years to do that but it's 1371 01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:23,800 like it gets it gets late real quick as Yogi Berra would say 1372 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,900 it's like you look at 2023. We start the season at out. 1373 01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:31,300 You know we have Ohio State Home nigger playing Penn State in 1374 01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:33,700 October 7th. I mean, the seat that schedules 1375 01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:36,100 get tougher. Like next year's schedule is set 1376 01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:40,300 up to get us to a bowl and hopefully an okay Bowl. 1377 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,300 You know, it's just, it gets tougher later quicker. 1378 01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:45,700 It's just like, it's like you've got to get some, you've got to 1379 01:10:45,700 --> 01:10:47,700 make hay next year. You've got to figure out a way 1380 01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:49,300 to get done to your point, you don't. 1381 01:10:49,300 --> 01:10:52,700 So you don't have time to groom another coordinator. 1382 01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:54,400 You've got to bring some of you can get it done. 1383 01:10:54,700 --> 01:10:58,400 My only request is he went through Deboer and deboard like 1384 01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,600 can we just Let's go with somebody whose name, I 1385 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,000 Sheridan's nice and different. Like, if anybody's name starts 1386 01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,600 with d e, or has afforded it like just your own? 1387 01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:08,400 Actually, you're not, you're not who were looking for here at IU, 1388 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,700 that's it. The whole things just like, it's 1389 01:11:10,700 --> 01:11:13,500 so hard to keep them apart. That's your request. 1390 01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:16,400 That's of all the things that's your request. 1391 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:22,200 Okay, we did have a question from from Keith, and this look, 1392 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,400 one of the things I want to say, this was a tough season on. 1393 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,800 Everybody was a tough season on players and coaches. 1394 01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:30,400 There's a Season on fans as well. 1395 01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:33,200 The question we got, if players can enter the transfer portal, 1396 01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:36,800 why can't alumni we provided sellout crowds only to witness 1397 01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,900 yet another excruciating, Lee Bad season. 1398 01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:41,700 Can't we transfer support to a school like Ohio State to give 1399 01:11:41,700 --> 01:11:43,700 both fan bases. A better sense of perspective. 1400 01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:47,800 I wouldn't want to do that to myself Keith but no in all 1401 01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:49,300 seriousness. Thanks for the question. 1402 01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:55,100 I do think the fans kind of got lost in the shuffle and and I, 1403 01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,800 you know, for as much as the core. 1404 01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:03,300 Group that surrounds IU football, likes to bag on IU 1405 01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:06,700 football fans and talk about how they're bad fans and they're not 1406 01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:10,600 loyal fans. This season is an example of why 1407 01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,800 there's not a lot of loyalty among IU football fans because 1408 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,800 the fans showed up. They showed up for the Iowa or 1409 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,900 the Idaho game, they showed up at the Iowa game, there were 1410 01:12:18,900 --> 01:12:21,700 large numbers of IU people there they showed up for the 1411 01:12:21,700 --> 01:12:25,000 Cincinnati game, they showed up for the Michigan State game and 1412 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,800 they got nothing. You know, I've often said this 1413 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:34,200 is probably in power 5 football the leash rewarding fandom in 1414 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:39,300 all of power 5 because there have been so few successes. 1415 01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:42,400 And so many disappointments over the course of the entire history 1416 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,900 of the program that, you know, even a Kansas made the Orange 1417 01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:49,500 Bowl back in 2007. I think, our 2008, even a 1418 01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:52,000 Vanderbilt has gone on runs where they've won eight or nine 1419 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,200 games a few times. Illinois has been to the Orange 1420 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:55,100 Bowl, I think? Yeah. 1421 01:12:55,100 --> 01:12:57,200 Illinois. Illinois is going to a Bowl this 1422 01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,300 year, you know? I mean, Maryland's. 1423 01:12:59,300 --> 01:13:00,700 Going to a Bowl this year record. 1424 01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:02,200 That's another Point. Yeah. 1425 01:13:02,300 --> 01:13:06,100 Sorry to your point of getting nothing like you're right. 1426 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:07,400 I want to talk with us for a couple minutes. 1427 01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,700 I know we like, but the fans really got nothing because we 1428 01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:15,500 showed up, we were there, we not only didn't get wins. 1429 01:13:15,700 --> 01:13:19,600 We got a pretty bad game day experience like Cincinnati. 1430 01:13:19,700 --> 01:13:21,900 Nobody and I, we don't want to get back into. 1431 01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:23,200 This is based on a lot of factors. 1432 01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,600 This is this happens every year we play Ohio State played 1433 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,100 Michigan, the stadium gets busy, it's not a great. 1434 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:29,800 Perience. The lines are long. 1435 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,500 The concessions are not ready. It's like every part about it 1436 01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:36,400 was bad and then you just get kicked in the nuts. 1437 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,300 The entire season of losing. So to your point like it wasn't 1438 01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:41,000 just the wins and losses that were bad. 1439 01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:43,900 It's like I worry that, you know this is why it's tough being a 1440 01:13:43,900 --> 01:13:47,400 fan is that when things are going good, we're not, we don't 1441 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,800 have the infrastructure to take care and have a good experience 1442 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,200 on game day. Yeah, it's it's not good. 1443 01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:58,400 And this is why next year, I've said this before, like now I I 1444 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,600 want to hear word one about the fans next year. 1445 01:14:00,700 --> 01:14:03,800 Like we did our time if nobody shows up for the first couple 1446 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,800 games, like it is all we are incomplete. 1447 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,300 Prove me mode now with this team for next year. 1448 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,000 Well that's the thing. I mean this is the problem as 1449 01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:13,700 was summed up by a couple of other people in comments about 1450 01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:16,800 the amount of Goodwill that was burned this year. 1451 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,200 Yeah, because you had everybody excited, you had the entire 1452 01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:23,700 offseason to get people excited and it wasn't just a gosh, 1453 01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:24,900 they're disappointing. Finished. 1454 01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:28,200 Five and seven kind of year. It was a everything went off the 1455 01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:29,900 Rails. And the team was basically 1456 01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:35,400 unwatchable for the last six games of the season and that is 1457 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,800 hard to bring people back from. And and again, it's like when 1458 01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:41,400 when there's complaints, about why isn't the stadium full, why 1459 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,100 don't people complain, you know, support our youth football more. 1460 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,400 This is why? Because there's just very little 1461 01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,900 reward. The reward have course, you 1462 01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:51,300 know, the best season. And I you football, the last 50 1463 01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:54,300 years happens when nobody can be in the stadium except for 1464 01:14:54,300 --> 01:14:56,500 parents and families to watch the games. 1465 01:14:58,700 --> 01:15:02,600 It's sad, it's disappointing, but it's also the reality. 1466 01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:08,000 And I think that when this program thinks about what it's 1467 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:12,200 doing, this is why I think it's why I you can't afford a foreign 1468 01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:16,200 aid or five and seven season next year because the whole 1469 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,800 reason I have a successful football program is the revenue 1470 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:23,000 that you bring in from ticket sales from concessions, things 1471 01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,100 like that. And if you're putting out a 1472 01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:29,200 subpar product, eventually people will just Be like I'm not 1473 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:33,000 going to go except for the diehards who frankly I think 1474 01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:36,400 have largely been poisoned by the well that they've been 1475 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:41,100 forced to drink from for them for their whole lives that their 1476 01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:44,200 their priority system is almost a little bit screwed up at this 1477 01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,500 point. I mean, it really is interesting 1478 01:15:46,900 --> 01:15:51,400 meeting a long time, IU football fan, you just your mate, your 1479 01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,500 brain kind of gets battered to the point where you lose sight 1480 01:15:54,500 --> 01:15:57,900 of what actual successes and you focus more on what makes us feel 1481 01:15:57,900 --> 01:15:59,800 good. You know, I mean, people love 1482 01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,500 Tom Allen in this group because he makes them feel good because 1483 01:16:02,500 --> 01:16:05,300 he makes it feel good to be an IU football. 1484 01:16:05,300 --> 01:16:08,700 Fan in terms of like, hey, this guy's saying positive things and 1485 01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:11,100 creating a positive atmosphere around IU football. 1486 01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:15,100 And that's really been a key part of the Allen era, but if 1487 01:16:15,100 --> 01:16:18,400 you can't back that up with at least some semblance of results 1488 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,800 and worse, you end up with the season that is as bad as 1489 01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,400 anything Jerry dinardo did as bad as worse than anything Cam. 1490 01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,800 Cameron did I guess except for that first year when they went 1491 01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:32,300 to an Nine. You create a situation where 1492 01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:36,500 what you're supporting is more, just the feeling of IU football 1493 01:16:36,500 --> 01:16:39,000 being good, rather than I you football actually being good. 1494 01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:43,100 So anyway, all that said out there, just there have to be not 1495 01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:45,800 just changes made in the coaching staff or in who the 1496 01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,600 players are. But there has to be a shift in 1497 01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,900 what this program emphasizes. Because what we saw at the end 1498 01:16:52,900 --> 01:16:56,600 of the day with this season, is that this system when 1499 01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,100 everything's going great work, Really well but when things got 1500 01:17:00,100 --> 01:17:03,200 tough, this team really had a problem pulling together and 1501 01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,800 that really does speak to maybe some kind of internal cultural 1502 01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,000 issue that needs to be rectified before next season starts. 1503 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,900 And so when you look at next season, you talking about the 1504 01:17:11,900 --> 01:17:15,000 fans and talking about support looking at it. 1505 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,300 Now a little bit more intently, being a knife and four years. 1506 01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,600 That first game is huge. You have Northwestern, you're at 1507 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,900 home. That's the lowest bridge to 1508 01:17:25,900 --> 01:17:29,000 cover in the Big Ten. You have to win that game if you 1509 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,900 want to get fan sport because let's say yeah, I'm gonna do the 1510 01:17:31,900 --> 01:17:35,100 thing that drives you nuts, the hypothetical Scott, if you lose 1511 01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:38,000 that game, your next two games are at home against Idaho, 1512 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,300 Western Kentucky. Nobody cares. 1513 01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:40,000 It's going to be. All right. 1514 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,400 Well we beat them. Why are we meeting last year? 1515 01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,100 And we sucked like No One's Gonna care about those games. 1516 01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,800 You have two games on the road and then your home against 1517 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,000 Maryland. It's like at that point. 1518 01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:50,400 Yeah. I mean, if you win both the 1519 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,600 Cincinnati Nebraskans the road, you might get a little bit of 1520 01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,200 pecan interest but it's like, wow. 1521 01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:55,900 But we already lost the one big 10 game. 1522 01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:58,200 It's like, you have to start off. 1523 01:17:58,300 --> 01:18:01,100 The win against the team that people know is least a big 10 1524 01:18:01,100 --> 01:18:03,400 team, it's like, hey, we want a Big Ten game for the first time 1525 01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,900 in 18 months. This is good. 1526 01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:08,800 If you lose that first gave you may not get support because then 1527 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:13,000 after that Marilyn game at home you got, you know, Penn State 1528 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,800 and Michigan and Purdue. It's like it's just it gets 1529 01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,300 rough again and then people are going to the weather's bad. 1530 01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:22,400 So it's it is again, it gets late really quick here. 1531 01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:25,400 You've got to start off with a win in that game or else. 1532 01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,800 I'm not sure how you get support back. 1533 01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,700 I I don't have these it. I'm not as I'm not as wound up 1534 01:18:30,700 --> 01:18:33,300 in that. I do think though you have to 1535 01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:36,900 win seven games minimum next year. 1536 01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,600 I mean because that like and in the schedule does set up to do 1537 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,300 that, this is where the question is coming. 1538 01:18:43,300 --> 01:18:44,300 I mean, look, you're in the Big Ten. 1539 01:18:44,300 --> 01:18:46,600 The Big Ten is tough, it is tough to win games in the Big 1540 01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,100 10. But you do have a schedule set 1541 01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:53,900 up where you should be able to win enough of those games if 1542 01:18:53,900 --> 01:18:56,100 your program is actually tracking the way that it's 1543 01:18:56,100 --> 01:18:58,100 supposed to be tracking what we're worries me. 1544 01:18:58,300 --> 01:19:00,600 That Maryland finished four games ahead of Indiana. 1545 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,900 In overall wins this year. Rutgers finished three games 1546 01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:05,700 ahead of Indiana, and overall wins. 1547 01:19:05,900 --> 01:19:09,000 Nebraska had more overall wins than Indiana. 1548 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,200 This year. Indiana finished the year as the 1549 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:15,400 worst offense in the big tent. They finished with double-digit 1550 01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,900 points, scored in conference games, double digits, not triple 1551 01:19:18,900 --> 01:19:20,500 like everybody else double digits. 1552 01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:24,600 So I'm less worried about where the winds come from. 1553 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,700 Because if you lose to Northwestern and beat Michigan, 1554 01:19:26,700 --> 01:19:30,000 nobody cares about the Western game at that point, as long as 1555 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,900 you finish with a winning record, and look, I think the 1556 01:19:32,900 --> 01:19:35,000 idea that you're going to have a bunch of fans in the stands, 1557 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,400 you'll get your normal 45, 46 thousand for that opening game. 1558 01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:40,600 I do think that's where it matters because if you come out 1559 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,100 and you look like, you don't know what you're doing. 1560 01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,200 Why would anybody hop back on the bandwagon at that point? 1561 01:19:46,300 --> 01:19:50,100 So anyway, I don't know if we answered any questions 1562 01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:52,000 effectively in this podcast, Scott. 1563 01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:56,100 I mean, outside to send, this is why this probably won't be our 1564 01:19:56,100 --> 01:20:00,300 last football podcast of 21, because we got to wait and see, 1565 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,900 like, what changes Tom Allen makes, you know, there have to 1566 01:20:03,900 --> 01:20:06,200 be some changes. They just have to be, you can't 1567 01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,900 go through a 2 and 10 season. When you started the season 1568 01:20:08,900 --> 01:20:12,400 ranked 17th and say, well gosh, we had a lot of injuries and 1569 01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,600 things were tough. We do. 1570 01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,900 We're going to run it back next year and we'll get it right that 1571 01:20:16,900 --> 01:20:18,000 time. Like I just don't think that 1572 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,700 we're Indiana's at as a program, I don't think that's acceptable 1573 01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:23,500 right now and you said something to you talk about coaches. 1574 01:20:23,500 --> 01:20:26,000 Like there's a long Litany of not great. 1575 01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:29,100 Are you football coaches like Bill Lynch who One who never had 1576 01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:30,800 a season where they didn't win a big 10 game, right? 1577 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,600 Like that's unfortunately Tom Allen has put himself in kind of 1578 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:37,000 fun, you know Wilson did it but it was his first year but even 1579 01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,600 he did it. But there's there's not a lot of 1580 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,400 bad coaches have been through. I you football and not all, you 1581 01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,800 know, most of them have found a way to win one big 10 game a 1582 01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,200 season have to go over. Is you're putting yourself in 1583 01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,200 pretty bad. Elite cat territory? 1584 01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:54,500 Yeah. I mean it's something that it's 1585 01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:57,100 really jarring when you put it in those terms because if you go 1586 01:20:57,100 --> 01:21:01,000 back and Get the seasons, where Indiana only one there like 10, 1587 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:05,400 big 10 games, you got 20 21, you've got 2011, you've got 1588 01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:09,500 1995, which I mean Bill, Mallory had one of these seas. 1589 01:21:09,500 --> 01:21:12,000 That was kind of the clue that the Mallory thing was over. 1590 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:16,200 You got 1984. So we've got four, you've got 1591 01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,300 1973. Which was Lee Corsos first year 1592 01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:22,900 and then you got to go all the way back to 1961. 1593 01:21:23,300 --> 01:21:27,500 So, you know, that's you're talking about five seasons in 1594 01:21:27,500 --> 01:21:32,100 the last, Almost 60 years where you didn't win a single game in 1595 01:21:32,100 --> 01:21:34,300 the Big Ten and that's not to say that, there weren't a lot of 1596 01:21:34,308 --> 01:21:38,000 terrible IU football program, you know, during those 1597 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,600 intervening 50 years. But this is going to be on a 1598 01:21:40,608 --> 01:21:43,000 special list of teams that couldn't figure out a way to win 1599 01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,800 a single Big Ten game, and that is. 1600 01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,200 And again, I go back to when you look at this year, again, the 1601 01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,800 numbers like this might be the biggest Point, differential, 1602 01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,300 like, not only do we not win a game, like, at least if you're a 1603 01:21:53,308 --> 01:21:56,100 Nebraska it's like, well, I saw a joke, like putting a brass key 1604 01:21:56,108 --> 01:21:58,600 in the big tent, Allegan you don't to be close like, All 1605 01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,300 their games are like within three points. 1606 01:22:00,500 --> 01:22:02,900 You know that that's the other thing that might get lost with 1607 01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:05,600 this year. There were only two games where 1608 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,600 we theoretically, could have won Michigan State in Maryland. 1609 01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:12,300 Like, and in neither of those games, I think, did we have a 1610 01:22:12,300 --> 01:22:15,000 chance to win the gate in Maryland? 1611 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,900 We needed a, I guess in Michigan, say, we had the ball. 1612 01:22:17,900 --> 01:22:20,600 We would have scored it like but in Maryland we never had the 1613 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,800 ball where we could have taken the lead, I guess. 1614 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,000 And what I have to go back and remember whether we had on-site 1615 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,400 kick to get it, but it's like, you had your two games were Even 1616 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,500 had a chance to win the rest of them were just complete ass 1617 01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:34,000 kickings, just getting your brains beat in. 1618 01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:36,300 There's not even a world where it's like a discos different in 1619 01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:39,500 that goes, like, you have to say, 85 things go different for 1620 01:22:39,500 --> 01:22:41,900 us to beat Rutgers, which is mind-boggling. 1621 01:22:41,900 --> 01:22:44,700 That's, that's the scary part of this is. 1622 01:22:44,900 --> 01:22:48,300 I bet some of those Mallory, the Mallory year, I bet we were more 1623 01:22:48,300 --> 01:22:50,900 competitive and more games. Like, that's the really scary 1624 01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:53,500 thing is. You only had two games that you 1625 01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:56,200 even had a shot at making one? No, that's the truth. 1626 01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,700 I mean, you go back, you go back to that. 1984 season, which was 1627 01:22:59,700 --> 01:23:02,400 Mallory's first year that team competed like, it wasn't a good 1628 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,200 team. There was not a lot on the 1629 01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,700 roster but that team competed and even the 1995 season were 1630 01:23:07,700 --> 01:23:09,600 Indiana. When towing eight, I mean, they 1631 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:10,900 lost by 72. Illinois. 1632 01:23:10,900 --> 01:23:15,000 They lost by nine at Iowa. They you know, they they didn't 1633 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,800 That season. Kind of went off the rails in a 1634 01:23:16,808 --> 01:23:19,800 similar way but they weren't getting they only got blown out 1635 01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,300 in a couple of games that year. Unfortunately, one of those was 1636 01:23:22,300 --> 01:23:26,700 Purdue that was a pretty bad bucket game that year but it's 1637 01:23:26,700 --> 01:23:29,300 just jarring. And this is where I think a lot 1638 01:23:29,300 --> 01:23:33,200 of fans and ourselves. I think are just I'm cautious 1639 01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:38,200 because everything that we saw this year from the results to 1640 01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:42,500 the way that the player is reacted or didn't to the frankly 1641 01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:45,300 kind of cluelessness of the way that the plays were being called 1642 01:23:45,300 --> 01:23:47,800 and the games were being conducted in the overall 1643 01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,100 training and development of players everything points to 1644 01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:54,700 this being real bad. Now I think we're fortunate, 1645 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,200 we're fortunate, and this is where I, this is where my Paws 1646 01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,000 comes in. And we're going to finish the 1647 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,200 podcast after this. We're fortunate that this is 1648 01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:06,100 probably the easiest era in college football to hit the 1649 01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:08,700 reset button. Change what your program is all 1650 01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:11,800 about and get back into a competitive landscape if you're 1651 01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,400 smart enough to do it. And if you're able to, you know, 1652 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,400 if you have the financial wherewithal to go out and make 1653 01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:20,300 the changes that you need to make will Tom Allen, be able to 1654 01:24:20,300 --> 01:24:23,500 effectively do that and I don't know the answer to that question 1655 01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:25,600 and that is kind of frightening. I'd like to think so. 1656 01:24:25,700 --> 01:24:27,700 I'd like to give Alan the benefit of the doubt and say, 1657 01:24:27,700 --> 01:24:31,800 look Inherited a roster that had some problems with Kevin Wilson. 1658 01:24:31,900 --> 01:24:34,200 He took a couple of years and then he was able to elevate that 1659 01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,800 program to two of the most successful seasons in Indiana 1660 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,500 football history in years, three, and four. 1661 01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,300 I don't know what to make of the fact that with so many people 1662 01:24:42,300 --> 01:24:45,700 back and with his hand-picked coaching staff, he then goes to 1663 01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:47,600 and 10. I'd like to think that that's 1664 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,100 the outlier. As you mentioned, next year, is 1665 01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:52,700 really going to decide, which one of those was the outlier, 1666 01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:56,000 and that's why I guess I'm a little ambivalent on 1667 01:24:56,500 --> 01:24:59,100 definitively saying what my Things are going into this 1668 01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:04,100 offseason because so much of my feelings right now are just like 1669 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:10,500 I'm I am essentially keeping everything at arm's length 1670 01:25:10,500 --> 01:25:14,600 because I don't know. I have yet to see any evidence 1671 01:25:14,700 --> 01:25:17,200 from what we saw this year that things are going to get better. 1672 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,300 But I also think that if Alan is smart in the way that he handles 1673 01:25:20,300 --> 01:25:23,800 this offseason, he can make the changes that can at least get 1674 01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:27,100 Indiana back on its feet back to a bowl and then kind of get this 1675 01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:29,300 program back. On track but a lot of its going 1676 01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:31,500 to depend on what happens in the next two to three months. 1677 01:25:32,300 --> 01:25:36,800 Yeah, yeah. So anyway, all that optimistic 1678 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:42,300 note, first of all Scott, we've been doing this for we've been 1679 01:25:42,300 --> 01:25:47,100 doing this for what 12 13 years now with football and gosh, it's 1680 01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:48,800 tough. You know, the last two years 1681 01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:53,000 were so much fun to talk about and this year was just so much, 1682 01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:57,900 not fun to talk about that, but I appreciate you sticking with 1683 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,200 Me throughout the course of the podcast season and talking about 1684 01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,300 everything. And I really think that 1685 01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:09,700 ultimately, it's, these are the kinds of Seasons that make this 1686 01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,600 hobby that we do kind of an interesting one, because we 1687 01:26:13,608 --> 01:26:16,200 don't have to do this. Like, we're not getting paid 1688 01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,400 much. I mean, do we know and most of 1689 01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,300 that is just kind of like, hey, here's, you know, here's some ad 1690 01:26:22,300 --> 01:26:23,900 reads and stuff like that. It's not like we're getting a 1691 01:26:23,907 --> 01:26:25,600 salary. This is not our full-time jobs, 1692 01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:29,000 or anything along those lines. So it is Of the labor of love, 1693 01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,800 more than anything else and I appreciate your alarm on Sunday 1694 01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:33,900 morning. Hey thanks. 1695 01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:36,500 You gotta put 8 a.m. on the Sunday after Thanksgiving so 1696 01:26:36,500 --> 01:26:38,200 that we could podcast I did as well. 1697 01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,700 I was already up the kids made sure of that, but, but thank 1698 01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:43,500 you. And I'd like to thank all of the 1699 01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:45,400 folks that have listened throughout the course of, not 1700 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,400 just this year but previous years, all of you who take time 1701 01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,800 to write questions on Twitter. I wish we could answer all of 1702 01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,800 them. I've actually tried to save some 1703 01:26:53,300 --> 01:26:55,100 because I want to see what happens in the next couple of 1704 01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:57,900 weeks and when we come back and do our next football podcast, 1705 01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,600 Cast, we can talk about those perhaps in more detail, maybe, 1706 01:27:01,500 --> 01:27:03,900 but we really appreciate you folks taking the time to listen. 1707 01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:06,300 There aren't a whole lot of places where you can regularly 1708 01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:10,100 talk about IU football, honestly, and we've always tried 1709 01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:11,700 to make Crimson cast a spot for that. 1710 01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:14,000 It's gotten us into trouble sometimes, but we've tried to do 1711 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,800 that. I think that you folks is IU 1712 01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,600 football, fans deserve it. It's certainly cathartic and 1713 01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:23,400 therapeutic for me to have not just Scott, but other people to 1714 01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,000 talk through the thoughts and feelings that I you in genders 1715 01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,500 with its football program, So thanks for being along with us 1716 01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:32,300 on this ride. I wish it had been a better one. 1717 01:27:32,300 --> 01:27:36,000 We had all had dreams of, maybe a Florida bold or at the very 1718 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,800 least, like Las Vegas or the Music City Bowl. 1719 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,000 Now, there's nothing. Now there's an off season of 1720 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:45,500 discontent, and all I can say is, we'll be back to talk about 1721 01:27:45,500 --> 01:27:48,300 IU football later on in the winter and will certainly be 1722 01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:50,000 back to talk about is football next year. 1723 01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,600 Yeah, no, I Echo all of that. I'm always it. 1724 01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,800 Always warms my heart. We see stuff on Twitter, like, I 1725 01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,700 got to write back to him. A chronic, Hoosier was like 1726 01:27:57,700 --> 01:27:59,000 that. Taking us for just giving us a 1727 01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,600 place to listen to IU football talking it's it is nice to hear. 1728 01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,300 Like you said we do this as a labor of love like we don't we 1729 01:28:05,300 --> 01:28:07,500 don't really make any money. We do this because we like it 1730 01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:10,900 and it feels like your needs to be an outlet for me. 1731 01:28:10,900 --> 01:28:12,500 We still do basketball. Like we're still going to be 1732 01:28:12,500 --> 01:28:14,200 talking about basketball is kind of what started this. 1733 01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,900 But you know, it felt like there needs to be an outlet for 1734 01:28:17,900 --> 01:28:19,300 football. I feel like we built a nice 1735 01:28:19,300 --> 01:28:24,100 structure here and I it always warms my heart when people come 1736 01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:26,100 up and they say they listen to it you know thanks for do with 1737 01:28:26,100 --> 01:28:27,900 it. It feels very much like we've 1738 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,700 Bit in some kind of like weird p.o.w. camp where it's like, oh, 1739 01:28:30,700 --> 01:28:33,100 thank you so much for talking about this. 1740 01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:36,400 Like, there's somebody out there like me who, who watches this 1741 01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:40,700 and listen to this and but II, it's it, do it in. 1742 01:28:40,708 --> 01:28:42,600 Like I said, I've always this podcast. 1743 01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,600 Has always kind of been for me a way to a get things out. 1744 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,500 But also, I thank you, man, for doing this with me because my my 1745 01:28:49,500 --> 01:28:52,700 feeling is always, I can't wait to hear what Galen thought about 1746 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,500 about that, whether it's a win, whether it's a loss, whether 1747 01:28:55,500 --> 01:28:59,600 it's that like it, that never /. That's always kind of the ethos 1748 01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,700 of me. And the podcast is like I want 1749 01:29:01,700 --> 01:29:04,200 to get my stuff out. I have my rants but I always 1750 01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:05,400 want to hear what you have to say it. 1751 01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,400 It's always good. And I always leave these feeling 1752 01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:11,600 a little bit better. Maybe not this season, but we 1753 01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,300 shall see ya. Now, look, I appreciate that. 1754 01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:22,000 And it's the IU football is kind of like this epic Bartok Saga, 1755 01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:22,900 you know. It is. 1756 01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:27,300 It is like, it's like the Canterbury Tales just with a lot 1757 01:29:27,300 --> 01:29:30,700 more losing. And it's always fun to talk 1758 01:29:30,700 --> 01:29:32,900 about it. Even if the actual product isn't 1759 01:29:32,900 --> 01:29:35,400 necessarily fun, I'm really curious to see what happens. 1760 01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:39,900 I care very deeply about IU football as a program and I care 1761 01:29:39,900 --> 01:29:43,700 very much about our fellow IU football fans and I would like 1762 01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:47,800 them to experience Joy. In watching IU football just as 1763 01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,800 I too would like to experience some Joy, you know? 1764 01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:56,300 And it's it just becomes tough in these sorts of situations and 1765 01:29:56,300 --> 01:30:00,000 unfortunately, it's these sorts of Seasons that feel like the 1766 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,800 rule rather than the exception and this is almost like a really 1767 01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,300 sad throwback to the the 2000s, which I still maintain. 1768 01:30:07,300 --> 01:30:09,400 Might be the worst decade. And I youth football history 1769 01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,700 where you get to the end of the season and you're like, I don't 1770 01:30:12,700 --> 01:30:15,000 know where we're am. I supposed to draw the Hope from 1771 01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,000 like, you know, where Where's the infrastructure that I can 1772 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:21,300 lean on and say it's alright. I know this season stunk but 1773 01:30:21,300 --> 01:30:24,300 we're going to be back, I don't know what back is with IU 1774 01:30:24,300 --> 01:30:28,300 football at this point but we'll keep keeps them Faith. 1775 01:30:28,300 --> 01:30:31,300 The Tom, Allen's got a plan and is able to execute it and we'll 1776 01:30:31,300 --> 01:30:33,500 keep some faith. That are you football. 1777 01:30:33,500 --> 01:30:37,900 Just had a really unfortunate year and next year might 1778 01:30:37,900 --> 01:30:40,000 potentially be better. I'd like to see some evidence of 1779 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,300 that before I get excited again but you know we'll see what 1780 01:30:43,300 --> 01:30:45,900 happens. Anyway, Scott is always. 1781 01:30:46,100 --> 01:30:49,300 Pleasure will be back talking basketball after, let's talk 1782 01:30:49,300 --> 01:30:52,700 basketball after Syracuse will be back, probably Wednesday or 1783 01:30:52,700 --> 01:30:55,300 Thursday night or Friday night of this upcoming week. 1784 01:30:55,500 --> 01:30:57,900 Big win for the Hoosiers last night against Marshall. 1785 01:30:57,900 --> 01:30:59,900 Big win for the women, as they knocked off. 1786 01:30:59,900 --> 01:31:02,500 Miami, a good start to the season for both of those 1787 01:31:02,500 --> 01:31:04,800 programs. And, you know, for those of us, 1788 01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,500 for those of you who only know, Crimson cash from football, we 1789 01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:10,200 have basketball coverage. We've done that actually longer 1790 01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:11,700 than football coverage. That was the first thing we 1791 01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:14,900 started doing back in 2008. So we look forward to talking 1792 01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:17,200 with you about all that you can. Please check us out on Crimson 1793 01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:21,900 cast on Twitter or you can check us out on Facebook as well for 1794 01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:24,400 Scott. I'm Galen, thanks to all of you 1795 01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,000 from the bottom of my heart for another ayehu, football season 1796 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,400 for all your contributions. Bring back the Bison will catch 1797 01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:32,800 you folks on the flip side. So everybody