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So what you all tuned in for anyway, we were going to podcast
yesterday, but Scott was still dealing with the emotional
trauma of having to sit through that entire game in person.
So, we decided to give him 24 hours to cool off before we put
him to the, yeah, yeah. Well, you know why actions,
really? It's more for the audience.
It's not for you. I because I, you know, we care
about our audience and we just want to make sure that they're
not exposed to unfiltered Scott because that's not me, it's
right. Yeah that all on my laps yes.
So but anyway well we're going to talk IU IU finishes with a
double by and is in the Big Ten Tournament is the three seed.
We're going to talk about how they got there.
We're going to talk about the process and we're going to talk
about the Big Ten Tournament as that starts pretty soon.
I you not going to plead a Friday night, but the Big Ten
Tournament itself starts on Wednesday.
So we're not that far away. It is Conference tournament
season and Scott, I'm excited. I've already got to see,
Louisiana. Knock off South Alabama.
I'm watching Furman about to get in by knocking off Chattanooga.
Youngstown States, getting obliterated about 20 miles away
from where you're sitting right now.
It's the time of the year, man. That's the Time of the Season.
I'm excited about it. How are you doing?
I'm doing great. I'm doing great.
Yeah, I know and it starts in Earnest tomorrow because
tomorrow is a biggie starts, right?
Yeah. No ACC I believe well maybe the
Big East might but I know you might hear a see.
There might be one big East game but I know the ACC like the the
crap end of ACC like, you know, Boston College is playing on
Tuesday and you know that like well we know, we know Boston
College, like we can always count on Boston cop.
I don't think there's been a year where they haven't been in
one of those three Tuesday games.
They're always terrible. And they're always fascinating
at the same time the next two weeks are just awesome.
Like this is kind of like my Christmas Eve, it's fantastic.
And the only thing that's it's so amazing.
The only the only bad part about it is like too much like in In
two weeks that first Monday were, it's like, wow, there's no
basketball on at 2:00, like it's like we're back to know like
Price is Right is back all of which I love, but it's like you
go the next two weeks or you're just like I can turn on any
channel at any time and there's an elimination or a almost
elimination game going on, or actually all elimination games
is fantastic and just basketball wall-to-wall.
Yeah. So it's I'm I love this time of
year, it's just it's great. Yeah.
So we are we got to be Alden it. Like, and we need to be in the
right now. That's it's yeah, honestly, I
was talking with the exact singer.
Who does the bracket racket podcast with me?
Occasionally and we're yeah, he's a Yukon guy.
I'm an Indiana guy. It's this time of year is so
much better when you actually got a good team that is in the
mix that isn't like hanging on by his fingernails, trying to
get into the field like not having to all of this stuff
about like what can I you get to the three or could they drop to
a five? I'm like, There have been years
when I would have like, you know, crawled over broken glass
for like a 10 seed. You know, to be in this position
early years where I've had like it's feel so dirty when you're
like nit Bracketology and it's about it's like this is almost
like, you know, Silk Road. Like I'm not sure this is I
should be doing this on my work computer.
I, it's I it's one of those, it's one of those things that's
like the I love the guy that does the NIT Bracketology that
is I own father. A lot of them.
It's not like a slow. No.
I mean I think it's like three. It's like I think it's it might
be. I forget what the guys name is.
I follow him on Twitter and he keeps up to it.
That I mean it's like he was updating last night because he's
like well, you know, I think Nebraska you know, not be an
outside shot of getting in and stalking about how Eastern
Washington getting upset in the Big Sky tournament is opened up
a spot to go west for somebody else.
I mean I love that but God I'm glad I'm not in that
conversation right now is an IU fan.
I mean goodness. Yeah.
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let's dive in let's talk, IU basketball.
So the Hoosiers they finish 12 and 8 in the conference, they
finish eighth and to at home, but they almost didn't.
This is an IU team that, you know, that nothing could be easy
as they closed out the season as they built a 14-point lead in
the first half of the game against Michigan.
And at one point had a winning percentage of 92.1 that was They
were leading by 27 to 13 with about four and a half minutes
left in the first half and Michigan proceeded to go on a
19-2 to run and gradually built the lead up to a point where
they were up, what was it? 49:38, they were up fifty four
to forty two. So, it was right around that
12-point Mark and Scott, I don't know what it was like in the
arena, but I can tell you at, Home.
It was not Pleasantville. This was, this was, this felt
like the sum of all fears of IU, basketball on full display one
of those games where it feels like every very similar to that
first, Iowa game, where it felt like everything was going great.
And then everything went terrible and it's like, I've
seen them do this and it seems highly unlikely they're going to
pull themselves out of it and what was it like in the moment
for you? It got really tense, you know,
like it that's well Assembly Hall really, you know, it kind
of lost its Mojo with the team. Are in a kind of, you know,
started the second half as always a little bit slow in the
mission started, pounding it down.
And then I'm with, as you drink watch time and they had another
friend out of the front Factory buddy day and he's ambitious.
He's a Michigan grad and I have some good stories of what he was
saying in a sec, but like I said this and it's like, you know,
100 Dickinson, hit a three and kind of did his, you know, like
the three sign down and he's II hate to admit this.
I kind of, I mean he's fun to hate but I do kind of like him
like he just He cracks me up like he does it almost in a fun
way anyway, but I was saying like, you can't let Hunter
Dickinson get going and then they kind of 100 Dickinson get
going and then, you know, jet Howard's hitting some threes.
And this is why Michigan's scary because, you know, I was telling
a couple other people before the game that this might be one of
the most talented team in the Big Ten, like just hard to stop.
And it's also one of maybe the best constructed team that you
have, you know, bump get buff kenaz a guard, you have jet,
Howard is kind of that. Man, and you have, you know,
hundred tickets seems like the ideal big man for college.
You can pop out and hit threes, like it's well, constructed
across the board. It's a lot of talent, but I was,
I was getting nervous because we kind of look like we were in
malaise mode and we were just kind of, you know, zoning out.
But, you know, we, you have to give Indiana credit.
They just kind of put themselves on the back end and you, you
know, for as much as sometimes people are like, you know, Trace
isn't a leader and he does isn't the kind of the vocal leader
who's going to yell and scream at people.
You could see it where he was like, just I my sewing and like
I need the ball and when Hunter Dickinson wasn't on him he was
like I'm taking this over and you could see very visible.
He's like I'm going to score and like and then you can see his
defense pick up. You definitely saw it with race
Thompson and my buddy, Danny like from five minutes on once
it gets within that? Like, you know, 45 Point range,
he's like we will not close this out.
Like, we do not have the ability to close it out and like there
will be I said it before he's like there's going to be four or
five end of game situations that we are going to f up and sure
enough you know Michigan had probably three or four shots to
win the game. Indiana played really good
defense on some of those the last play.
They just threw the things through the ball away.
But you know, Indiana came up. And I read later, you know where
race Thompson said, like, you know, just I'm not losing this
game and you definitely saw it with his defense, you know,
getting some huge steals down the end and I'm 4.
A variety of reasons I'm happy but I'm also just really happy
that we won because race did so much at the end there to win
that game. It would have been brutal.
If we had lost based on the fact that he missed a couple free
throws because he did do so much and you really just miss those
free throws because he was tired.
But it's like it was it was agonizing and then it's got
close. It was like we you know but yeah
those are it got tight but I will give the crowd credit to
like they got fired up and it was a it was a very, very fun
atmosphere. Glad to hear that, it was
miserable to watch on television.
It will, I mean I you know, here's the thing, I wish I said
I think I said this before, like in the in the podcast we did
before like it'd be great if I you it just some point would
just do something easy for everybody.
Do it easy for themselves, do it easy for the fans, like don't
don't surrender a 14-point lead and turn it into a 12-point
deficit. Don't forget how to play
defense. I was, I mean, look, I think
that this is one of those games that Certainly summarizes IU
this season, and and this kind of weird metamorphosis that
we've watched in real-time with this basketball team because
there's no question that we've seen Archie Miller coach teams.
Even last year, this team lose that kind of a lead and lose the
game. And, you know, I think what's
been frustrating about IU over the last three weeks and
whether, you know, is it tiredness?
Is it there or fatigue as an Educated person would say is it
fundamental flaws in the way that the team is constructed
from a personal perspective, is it a lack of depth
contributions? Is it just a psychological thing
where this team still gets the hips essentially at the most
inopportune times? Or is it some combination of all
of those? I think it's probably that, but
it's one thing to talk about and then say, well, gosh, this team
has proven that they can fight and they certainly done that but
in the moment in that type of a moment against a Michigan team,
that had to be exhausted playing after a double overtime loss and
you know, having played in an overtime right before that for,
for Michigan to look Lively. When Indiana had everything on
the table to play for senior night or, you know, likes I
guess it was senior late afternoon, a double by in the
Big Ten Tournament after literally everything is broken
in their favor, leading up to the game and to to start a
strong. Is they did and then just be
like, yeah, we're no, we're going to let Michigan do this
and do this. And, you know, we've watched
this team surrender leads before, but that one felt
particularly bad because it felt like, you know, the moment just
became too big for them. And for Michigan of all teams,
who while I agree is a pretty well constructed.
Roster from a talent perspective, they've
underachieved significantly this year because of a lack of
coaching Acumen. Frankly, I think on the part of
what Howard tends to do with that roster for IU to struggle
the way that they did and essentially allow what was it,
you know, a 26-point run in terms of lead to deficit by
Michigan. It's really disappointing.
They did fight their way back into it and it was the three
seniors that play the most that did.
So I mean you know Miller cop had a really bad shooting day
but managed to hit you know a big three and then what Should
have been a three but ended up being a long to although they
never changed it on television. Until it was like it wasn't even
mentioned that it because like I remember going into a one of the
free-throw setups and it's like I use got a four point lead and
I look up and I you had a three-point lead, I'm like well
what what happened? But cop you hit a couple of key.
Shots down the stretch cop had seven rebounds.
He made some defensive hustle plays that really did help
Indiana, get back into it, you mentioned.
Trace Jackson Davis, you know, another twenty seven and nine
and six. I mean that was impressive but
right. Thompson, as you said.
I mean, he made so many key plays down the stretch and yes,
he missed the four free throws. He missed the layup attempt at
the end of not quite at the end of regulation, but whatever that
was. But he also made, you know, some
key steals, he made some key defensive plays, he made some
hustle plays and you know, it's so it's one of those where on
the one hand you can ask yourself well like why did it
take getting down 12 after having been up 48?
Team to kick everybody back into gear.
Like why, why did that have to be the case?
But the fact that they did manage to figure out it how to
get themselves back into it really was heartening and it
shows a continued development and maturation of this team.
It's just it is such a kick in the nuts every time they play
well and then just stop playing which we've seen now on I think
multiple occasions, you know, over the last month or so and it
does to I think a large degree make you wonder like Like why
does that have to be part of this team's DNA?
But on the flip side? It's like that's just who they
are at this point and I think the next time we see them play a
really dominant game from start to finish you know you look at
that Purdue game at Purdue and you're like why can't that be
the norm as opposed to being the exception?
And that's a question. I don't think we'll ever quite
answer with this particular roster.
Well to answer your question of like what why does this the
malaises kind of happen? I think the answer is exactly
what you said, it's a combination of all.
Those things. But I think, you know, we don't
need to belabor it because we talked about it all year and
it's obviously not changing. But, you know, this is something
that will need to be looked at in the offseason and kind of
moving forward is, you know, most of these runs with other
teams like I mentioned you know, it was a couple twos here and
there but then like then Dickinson hit a three and then
you know they stopped us and like jet Howard hits a three.
It's like normally these runs happen when other teams are
hitting threes and then we just aren't taking a lot of Threes
And, you know, we only met 8530 we shot 15 but you know part of
what stops these runs but is you know, you papa three, it's like,
you know, you're down by 10, you know, Michigan gets it with
five, you hit a three, you know, it's now eight like that's how I
know kidding. So math works but you know with
a Scott has been doing correspondence courses in math.
He's really what I wanted to show this off for the audience.
Sorry go ahead. We're a three threes can just
kind of Kickstart things and really you know, help stem the
tide and we just don't do that. And like you mentioned Purdue
game. You know, we didn't have a lot
of Threes that game but it's like everything's running at Top
Notch for that game and you got jail,' know having a great game
from, you know, mid-range and so that's able to overcome that.
But, you know, this is when Indiana was up, you know, 10 or
12 in the first half, we don't have that ability to pour on
eight more points like that. And push the 20, you know, it's
going to take us, probably three to four minutes to get there and
that gives the other team time. And so it's a flaw with this
team that again, we can get off of it now.
But like, that's I think that's another Factor here as to why
even we get leads, other teams, come back is because other teams
start just firing threes. And that's just even when we're
down that we saw against Iowa, it's not in our DNA.
And so it allows us I think to be susceptible to not being able
to push leads a little bit more than they should and giving that
opening for other teams and it allows those things to happen
and it makes it harder for us to come back when we're down.
But you know, 22 I use credit they stem the tide and they claw
Had their way back in this game. But like I said, that's
something. I'd love to see a little bit
change next year where we can just start firing a couple more
threes because that it just it makes such a difference.
And I will say, I mean the other the other factor is just the
near total lack of Normal offensive contributions coming
off, the bench is a real problem and it's funny because it was
both the problem and the solution in this game against
Michigan. You know?
I mean tomorrow Bates had a really bad first half Malik
renew you contributed a little bit but didn't really make up
for the points that were sitting on the bench.
And then Kayla Banks actually I thought gave a pretty good
defensive ever. He I think he ended up being
like a plus 10 in the game, despite not scoring a point.
And it was largely because I mean, he was often times in
there, when Dickinson wasn't in there, which kind of correlated.
But, you know, we've talked about this a lot like IU is a
team that essentially only has about five and a half players
and you never know who the half player is and especially with
Jordan Geronimo seemingly out. Indefinitely with this injury
that I'm assuming is the same injury he had before, it's hard
to say and with the Mercurial nature of Tamar Bates on off,
And sand with Malik renew struggling with foul trouble.
I mean Kayla Banks emerging in the rotations, been in the Sessa
T, not a strategic decision that I think Woodson would have made.
So I think that certainly contributes to the lulz.
It's just tough though because the when you think about the way
that the team has been constructed that's its you can't
really avoid it and it's one of its.
One of the things that makes the Xavier Johnson absence so keenly
felt Out. And then, when you have a game
like this one, where Trey Galloway, who's been such a
steady performer down, the stretch, has, you know, probably
his worst game of the season, fouls out after only playing 25
minutes that just that just, you know, it exacerbates thing.
So, you know, from my perspective, it's it's really
frustrating in the moment. You step back, you get some
perspective and you're like, look, this is just how this team
is, and despite their tendency, to do this.
They've won, they won 12 out of 20 games in the conference, they
won 21 games in the regular, Season.
And I think at the even without Xavier Johnson, being out for a
century, the entire Big Ten season.
If you had given that 2 IU fans, at the beginning of the year,
they probably would have said we'll take that, you know, a
double by in the Big Ten tournament and being able to
outlast teams like Michigan or some of the other teams at IU is
outlasted here over the last month.
Those are good accomplishments by and large, Indiana ends up,
finishing the season, you know, winning what they want to 11 and
4. In their last 15 games in the
Big Ten. And that's a, that's a hell of
an accomplishment for a team that is down a senior starter
and doesn't have much bench depth.
And I mean, I mean, I would say this and I've had one of my
friends, tell me this all year cats.
This is kind of grown was like 8 and 1 or whatever.
It's like, you know, 11 for hard stop.
I'll take that at any point in any Big Ten season.
Yeah, I'm like that, that is a great 15-game stretch.
I think that needs to be kind of remembered talk about.
Like I am not. To go through it now but I mean
I don't know the last maybe 2016 they had a pretty good run but
you know there's only been a couple of times in the last 20
years we've had an 11 and 4 run. Yeah.
That's that is not nothing. Yeah.
I mean that very good run and I would say almost any year going
into the year if you said hey we're going to go 11 and 4 and a
15-game stretch in the Big Ten. I think, unless we just have a
number one ranked team I'm taking that so that that needs
to be really like just highlighted Solutely.
I mean, you know, the, you know, the 2013 team I think, you know,
they finished the year on a. No, I think they were what were
they 10, and 3 in their last 14 games?
You know? And so and they were and if you
add the two previous, they ended up finishing 11 and for the 2016
team when did had a better run. Certainly, but that was the, you
know, those are the only couple of years where you've seen
Indiana even win more than 11. Games in the conference.
I mean, even that 2012 team only won 11 games in the conference.
So I'm looking at 2009 it. So yeah, no, let's not do that.
No, no 2009 didn't happen. Remember.
We decided that. But no.
So look this puts on you in an interesting position because now
they enter the Big Ten Tournament.
I don't think you can say anything.
But for e and the game just have to say less.
It's I've always said it, I stand by it.
Had Gordon. Hayward shot gone down.
Yeah, Duke best game. They best shot in the history of
basketball. This is not at that level but
man, what a way to end his career if that Trace 3 had gone
down and that was really close. Like that was damn near as like
Gordon Hayward shot. Close.
You know, I had a bet with somebody the beginning of the
year like Trace, you know, wouldn't hit a 3-2 win a game.
And he had these videos like this to a tray that kind of a
joke. I was like, I'm cashing that if
that gone in like I'm cashing that that would have just just
want to say like that's one of those.
We always talk about the old Depot dunk.
That was missed or, you know, the Galway dunk that would have
blown the roof off Mackey like that that missed shot is going
to. I'm going to remember that for a
while like his first made three this season and that would have
been just a hell of a way to end it.
I do have to mention that it is interesting because that ends up
being, you know, it's funny that did not.
I don't think that made it onto the official stat sheet.
I'm looking at it right now. Ken Palm still doesn't have a
mate at a three-point attempt from Tres Jackson, Davis, So did
that just get missed in the post game box score?
Now, I'm starting to wonder because it was it was a lot of
he turned and shot in point seven seconds so that which I
wasn't sure with Posse, you know what the Yeah.
The official box does not have a three-point attempt for Trace
Dragon. Davis at all, maybe they said it
wouldn't have counted. I don't know, I guess, but it,
he got it off. I mean, it was clearly out of
his hand, with two tenths of a second left, so maybe they did
waive it up. That's fascinating, but no, your
it. And you know what?
Irritates me. Not just at that barely missed
because that you're right, that would have been.
That would have been an all-time IU basketball shot.
It would have been a reverse reverse Plavix, I think we would
call that. But the if you think about it
that's the second one of those this year that Indiana's barely
missed because you know, had one at Northwestern correct you
know. Maybe he hits that if they don't
shoot off the damn confetti cannons you know while the game
still going that should have still been a technical foul.
Anyway, I'm not still dwelling on that at all, but no.
Yeah that's Look at just a couple of the things to note.
I mean tomorrow Bates, deserves credit as rough as his stretch
has been. You know, if you look back over
the course of the last gosh, you have to go the two threes.
He hit in the Michigan game. Where the first two threes he
had hit the first three. He'd hit since February 7th at
home versus Rutgers where he hit 13 and he had.
So he had gone one, two, three, four, five, six, seven games.
Without hitting a Three-pointer. And he ended up settling down
after what was kind of a jumpy first half.
We've been critical of Tamar, but that was a game.
Indiana had to have him show up, especially when Galloway, got
that foul and he did and I've been critical of them because I
feel like he's at Poston bees deserve the criticism.
It's not. Yeah.
Isn't it unfair? It's not that he's not hitting
shots like he at he actively takes things away and this is
where like when he came in there that was crunch time and it was
45 minutes to go. He played the rest of the game.
He played all Although over time and I can't think of a play down
the stretch where it's like, man tomorrow, you know, screwed up
on defense or took that away. The, he he played exactly the
role that you need him to play which is don't take anything off
the table. And just be a, you know, be part
of the team and feed the right guys on offense.
And it's it is frustrating cause you're like man like you did it
basically for 10-12 minutes in massive crunch time.
Why can't you do it for five minutes in the middle of the
middle of the game but maybe maybe this unlocks.
It, we're now he's like hey that's that's what I need to do.
And I need to kind of calm it down but no all credit to him
and we needed that because it was crunch time, it was over
time. Yeah.
And and just I have to say, sitting with my buddy Danny it's
like tough. Not to make fun of it, but it
there was a part where it's like all of these end of game
situations and like I felt really comfortable knowing that
a we were going to have good defense again.
Again we've been saying this a lot here at the end of the
season like all credit to Woodson for changing of Defense
bringing Most of to Dickinson bringing it at different angles,
but also, like there is a bit of a Checkers chess.
Think you're. It's like, I don't and I'm never
the one who's like, I'm smarter than these guys are.
These guys know what they're doing, but there are times
you're watching. Howard and Michigan at the end
of games, like, I don't know what you guys are running.
I really don't know what the plan here is, and it doesn't
look like anybody really knows or has a plan.
Well, I mean, it's like, it felt very comforting knowing, like
they're running end of game situations.
I agree. You know, it's fascinating to me
because the same thing happened in the game against Indiana up
at Ann Arbor and you know and yet somehow they beat, what was
it? Wisconsin a couple of days ago,
you know, when Wisconsin screwed up at the end.
So it's because Danny was telling me he's like, dude, like
Illinois, the game against you guys like Virginia.
He's reading all things we've he's like we've had the final
shot like in eight games this year and we've lost all of them.
Well and look and for IU fans who always felt like You know,
that was their lot in life with Archie Miller and Tom.
Crane, if we're being honest, it's like to have a coach like
Woodson and you can criticize Woodson for whatever you want to
criticize him on. But his end of game strategies
have been pretty damn good. Over the course of the two
seasons that we've had em. I mean, there's been a couple of
games where things have gotten messed up, but I mean, you look
back over the course of IU season, like, you know, they
almost beat Northwestern at Northwestern and it literally
took Bowie. Like committing like assault on
Trey, Galloway to get open for the shot, that they made their
Mist, the missed shot. Thanks to the confetti cannon,
right? That.
Yeah, you know, and I mean, I mean, I've honestly memory, hold
the end of the game at Iowa. So I actually have no
recollection about how that ended, but the overall, like, if
I use going to lose its generally by a pretty
significant margin and they do a really good job in these any
game situation, and you can go back like the game at Michigan.
Absolutely. Qualifies the game at home
versus Illinois. The game at home.
Purdue the game at home versus Rutgers the game at Minnesota
which people took for granted that, you know that like you
should have blown out, Minnesota member how people were
complaining about that and then you turn around and it's like,
well, gosh Rutgers plots that Minnesota and Wisconsin almost
lost at Minnesota that ended up being a pretty good win over.
Also. Yes, game is a beer.
The game is Xavier. Yeah, I was there is another
good example. So my hat tip to Mike Woodson
and and I think you see the difference there between what
he's been able to do and what What Michigan is one of the more
inexplicable teams to me in the conference because their numbers
aren't that bad, they do certain things really well, but they've
lost some truly inexplicable games this year against teams,
that they shouldn't have lost to.
And they've also against teams that they're about equal with
they've struggled in a lot of those as well.
So, anyway, so Big Ten Tournament.
As you know, I you Has a few days off, which is great.
You know, they play on Sunday. They don't have to play again
till Friday and they don't play till the end of the day on
Friday and they match up against what we don't know yet, who
will, they play? But one thing I want to say
there was a fascinating stat floating around that, someone
dredged back up. Again from the college
basketball subreddit and it had the Big Ten standings from the
day after Indiana loss to Penn State.
And it fall into one and four and you know what's fascinating
and I think worth remembering about this IU team and for those
who don't know this stat, at that point, I you had a combined
roughly 6 percent chance of getting the double by bad at of
0.3 percent chance of winning. The conference is 0.8 percent
chance of finishing second, a 1.8 percent chance of finishing
third in a three point, three percent chance of finishing.
In forth. So Indiana, managed to grab the
1.8 percent chance, from that point being one in four, got
themselves into the double by. And, you know, you look around
at the other teams in that mix, like, Rutgers had the injury.
But at the time they had about a 70% chance of getting a double
by Ohio State, who has two and two at the time and was playing
really well. Had an even higher percentage.
Chance of getting a double by, I believe there was actually about
it right around the same. So just kind of a name.
Something to notice in something to remember, when you talk
about, the way this season went from, where it started to where
it finished, you got to really like what Indiana was able to
do, again, despite the injury issues that they were facing.
So one thing for the Big Ten Tournament, I was thinking about
this this morning when you look at kind of our half of the the
bracket but I think this goes for almost any team out there
and I can kind of make the argument for any other team.
I do think this breaks really well for us based on where teams
kind of feelings are at and Fan bases.
Because, you know, I think these are going to be damn near home.
You know, it's not an indie, they're going to be home games.
He's look at our side of the bracket like Minnesota Nebraska,
and they're not coming there. None of my friends are showing
up, Maryland. They're not flying across the
right thing in a huge contingent to Chicago.
For this maybe Illinois if they win, and then beat Northwestern
and then see us in the semis, but I mean, Illinois has been
sco's. So schizophrenic, I see their
fans kind of being half in and then we outdrew North Western
and Northwestern. So I, you know, I know there's
Chicago's Big Ten Team but we're going to draw them like I see us
having a much larger fan contingent of anybody on our
side even if you look at the other side of the bracket it's
like Michigan Rutgers or just trying to get in you know,
Purdue fans will probably be there.
But there's also a bit of like man that this last year again
like you know and Michigan State probably is there but like, they
don't travel as much. I just I can see all of this
being a really good pseudo. Home crowd for Indiana.
Just feels like there's a lot of reasons for other fan bases too
kind of check out or not. Make the trip all the way to
Chicago. So just just throwing that out
there just a thought experiment. It does feel like it should be a
very partisan crowd for the Hoosiers.
Most of these games and that's mattered so much in Prior.
Big Ten turn. I've got to get all these stats
out of the way Scott because we don't mention them.
I know you're like we're all going through treatment
detecting, the growing 3 and 3. So like dude we're oh and
everything. And every I want to I just want
to see the good at I want. No there's not.
I want to recap what Indiana's done.
No. Look If we don't what mr.
T say, hey if we don't do this we won't be able to speak it out
of existence. That's the best My Philosophy.
So I just want to get some numbers out of the way so you
can hear them and then if somebody tries to print them,
you won't have to read them later on but Indiana in the Big
Ten Tournament. Has the second-worst winning
percentage of any team that was in the Big Ten when the Big Ten
Tournament started, which was 1998.
So this is fascinating to me. Indiana 15 and 24 in the Big Ten
Tournament. That's a thirty eight and a half
percent winning percentage. The only original 11 team from
1998 that has a worse. Winning percentage is
Northwestern who's got a 28.6% winning percentage,
northwestern's 10 and 25 in that.
Span Indiana. So in the end of 15 and 24 and
Penn State is 17 to 24. So Penn State of all teams,
actually has a better winning percentage in the Big Ten
Tournament than I, you does, I you with obviously one runner-up
and zero championship appearance, is the only other
teams that have that poor of a record, other than Northwestern
who has neither Penn State has zero chance, Chips.
And one runner-up, Minnesota has zero championships and won
runner-up, so that's it. Now, one thing I will note is
that, as bad as Indiana's been Purdue has almost been as bad in
terms of total win percentage. I just want to throw that in
produce win percentage only 42%. They're 16 and 23 all time.
They do have one championship in for runners up so they can be
Tucson. That but overall Purdue has not
performed much better than I, you know, outside of those teams
just mentioned every other Original Big, Ten Tito air quote
original has a championship because, yeah, I'm just going
think. Michigan state has won Michigan.
State has six Ohio state has for Illinois.
Has three Wisconsin, has three Iowa has three.
Michigan. Has to Purdue has one Minnesota,
Penn State, Indiana Rutgers, Nebraska Marilyn, Northwestern.
All have zero. Wow.
We need what we? So what you need to do, when
you're a professor in this subject, we need to dig up some
records and like maybe there is a random tournament in like 1904
and 05 where University of I was part of it and so we can get
them under slotted under us. No, actually there was a 1907
Big Ten, Tournament Universe Chicago, went 0 and 3 so they're
actually worse than we are. Yeah that you know that's
probably not a I've looked back. There's nothing equivalent that
I can point to sadly find playing at a YMCA gym or
something couple other thing. Couple other things to note
about the three seed and I was really I was hedging hard for
not getting the three. A seed because the three seed
has been, you know, if the Big Ten Tournament is terrible for
IU, the three seed is especially terrible because the three times
I use been a three seed, prior to this are as follows, okay?
The first was 1999, it was the second Big Ten Tournament.
I, you had played pretty well that year.
They were in a three-way tie for second behind Michigan state.
They're the three seed. They had the late game.
I remember this very clearly because this was still the
United Center and my girlfriend at the time had we had bought,
she had got me tickets. It's to IU or to the Indiana
Pacers Golden State Warriors game, which was going on up at
Market square Arena, which is, that was still where the Pacers
replying. So, Golden State suck times,
like, oh, this is great. We'll go see the Pacers win, and
then we'll cut back in time for the second half of the eye.
You get well, Golden State, blows the Pacers out by like 20,
get in the car turn on, you know, Don Fisher and Indiana's.
The three seed, keep in mind, they're playing Illinois.
Who was the worst team in the Big Ten that year, and Illinois
is just made that run. Ting.
Aye you at the end of the first half and I you ends up losing
211 seated, Illinois by a score of 82 to 66 that was brutal.
Not only T made it all the way to the championship game that
year, they ended up missing, or losing out to Michigan State and
they didn't make the tournament. So that was the first time.
Indiana was the three seed. The second time that Indiana was
a three seed happened in 2007, and that's why you broke up with
a girlfriend, right? Yeah.
Just what your bad bad bad night?
No, the In time, Indiana was a three seed he had to jump
forward to 2007 that was K. Samson's first-year Indiana
three seed who do they play in the second round?
Illinois, the 6 seed who had beaten Penn State in that was an
Indiana team that, you know, was very sound, but that struggles
with scoring, they end up getting taken to overtime in
that game and Illinois ends up winning 50. 8250 for in
overtime. The, the next and final time
that Indiana has been the three seed was the very next season,
which was, of course, you know, Calvin Sampson had been forced
quit. Dan, dokic is coaching the team.
Indiana has stumbled down the stretch, they are the three
seed. Who do they play Minnesota?
What happens in that game? Was not hofstetter.
That was that? That was the Blake, ha Farber
shot farmer. Yes, so, that's the legacy of
IU, is a three seed in the Big Ten Tournament.
I just and again that's it's emblematic of Indiana struggles
over. All the history of the Big, Ten
Tournament Indiana's made one final that was 2001 when they
lost to Iowa with Dean Oliver and and Steve Alford is the head
coach they've made wrecker. Yeah, they've made five semi
finals total or suit I6 actually. 01 02 03.
Had a nice run there under Mike Davis.
Of course, 2006, again under Mike Davis, Iram, 2013, when
they lost in the second round in Wisconsin.
And then last year people, that was there.
That was there. Most recent semi-final
appearance. So all that said, the one nice
thing is that, you know, they get an extra day of rest and I
would not like to be Maryland, sitting there likely having to
play Nebraska in the second round.
Nebraska has been red-hot in the Big Ten and they are going to
play against Minnesota in the first game and probably win that
watch them lose. But I mean, I probably win that
game on Wednesday. That's a team that could
absolutely beat Maryland, on a neutral floor, either way in He
gets to play either Nebraska or Minnesota or Maryland on Friday
night at about nine ish eastern time and it's nice to not have
to worry too much about it, you know, overall and I say that for
a couple of reasons one, you know, if you're playing Maryland
and you lose the game it really, it doesn't harm you much.
If you win the game, that's great.
You move on. You might get to play
Northwestern who's been more snake-bitten in this competition
than Indiana has historically. Yeah.
And if you don't play them, you're probably playing Illinois
or Penn State. Both of which I think Indiana
can probably beat on a neutral floor but you don't have to.
And I think that's the one other thing about the Big Ten
tournament this year. It's like One of the things that
people need to understand about the way the tournament is
selected is that they don't just wait till Sunday morning of
bracket reveal day and just do the whole field at that point.
That would be, there's no time there's voting and there's like,
huge lists and they got a place teams.
So they start seeding the field and placing teams in those top
seven, eight seed lines on like Thursday and Friday.
And by Friday night, they normally got like the top half
of the field done. They may be done with that
before Indiana's done playing their game on.
They night. So at this point Indiana's,
pretty much got their cards on the table and, you know, even if
honestly, even if Nebraska were to beat them, I think it'd be
too late to harm Indiana and I don't think Indiana would be
necessarily improving their seating location in the NCAA
tournament even if they win. So this ends up just being kind
of bonus games that Indiana could possibly go out and win
but they're not like critical games for Indiana, trying to get
into the field and that I think is an important thing
psychologically for this team. Yeah.
Yeah, and I also look at, you know, again, just personally the
teams that I wanted to stay away from were Michigan State,
Purdue. I just think they're both
physical teams. I think Michigan state has some
real hot shooting with Walker, like they just scared, and I was
really worried of getting in the 45 and just having to play
Michigan State in the first year.
We were the four and we played there were the five and we
played them first round with that really well like being in
Michigan like having a Michigan State Purdue back-to-back games.
Like that's a those are tough 40 minutes games I think for me,
Just broke about as well as you possibly could ask for that
between Maryland. Nebraska Minnesota.
I think that's a very winnable game and then, you know, either
Illinois, Northwestern like I'm not overly terrified of either
of those teams and that kind of gets you into the finals
without, you know, Michigan, Iowa, Purdue, Michigan, State or
the teams that I think have the best kind of chance against this
Indiana team and matchup as well with us as we can.
I think we match up actually best with Purdue, it's just more
the physicality and I just kind of Would rather just leave it
at, you know, to a know this year.
So II, like all the teams that are half of the bracket, I think
we match up well, with them and even if we lose, it's not going
to be an overly physical game philosophically speaking.
I can't really decide what I want out of this Big Ten
Tournament because I guess like, here's the thing is because it
is clear to me, I know what I don't want, I don't want to go
on for well, three steep that. That's that would be nice.
Yes, it is clear that IU has The talent to both lose inexplicably
and win games against great competition.
I mean, it it's really just who knows, like you really don't
know until not even till the game starts.
If you don't know to the last five minutes in most cases over
him as the game starts. And it's like, oh, they're good
though, they're not. So I don't know.
I really I've been thinking about this like what we'll
actually get this team ready for great question.
The NCAA tournament like What what psychological what would be
better? Is it?
Because I do a lot of people like oh just lose the first game
because it's not really going to help your seating or hurt your
seating and then you get extra rest and I don't know if that's
the best for this team. I feel like this team thrives
when it believes in itself and as much as rest is important,
they're going to get five days of rest before they play on
Friday and they're going to get you know, for three and a half
four. Maybe four and a half days of
rest before they play their next game.
And as long as nobody gets injured knock on wood, you know,
would it be better for them to go out and beat a Maryland team?
That beat them pretty soundly earlier in the year, would it be
good in the second round to either beat a Northwestern team
that barely beat them in the previous two games on a neutral
floor or beat in Illinois? Team?
That's, you know, gotten hot would how what psychological
Pack would it have on this team to finally win a trophy of some
sort? When the Big Ten tournament for
the first time in school history, when put something put
a banner up, you know, even though it's the least important
of the banners. It's like the you know the
league cup of heart banners to get it is, right?
I mean it feels like a demon that could get slayed and I
don't know. I don't feel like that outcome
would have a negative impact on playing in the NCAA tournament
because I think you know we talked about this I think it
would make Use with you or with somebody else but this team
really does act and talk like it's on a mission like they've
got stuff they want to accomplish and we talked about
last year how that Wyoming Game was kind of the mission
accomplished of the season and they you know it's like what we
don't have anything left that we had we do that was a goal per se
that we really thought we could reach here.
It feels like their sights are higher than just winning a game
in the NCAA tournament. And I do Wonder from the And
point of how they're going to approach this game.
This the series of games psychologically, if it wouldn't
be better if they had a better launch pad emotionally than just
going out and doubting themselves again because they
lost in the first round of the, of the Big Ten Tournament.
I agree with all that. I also like, hey, do you have
like, you know, the, you know, like the the, the Alzheimer's
Club, you know, like Jo like a trace Jackson, Davis.
You know, if they win the Big Ten Tournament walking in.
It's like there's Jared Jeffries and it's like, hey, I went to a
final four is like, Yeah, final 400 Well, done that.
I want a Big Ten Tournament title and everyone's like, oh,
he feels like I did. Number one team in the country
is like, yeah, g. Get a Big Ten Tournament title.
Like I want three games in that sucker.
What you got? Yeah.
Now there is funny. It's like you he we've been
talking about his legacy. It's like that's, he gets
something. No one else has.
Yeah, that's got no, I I agree with you and I think for this
team, you know, that they're not fragile.
That's not the right word. But they are definitely a little
finicky at times I'll say. And, you know, sometimes things
get them down and takes them a little longer to get up off the
mat. And I agree with you, like I
don't like the idea of them, you know, beating Michigan having
that moment. Like all right.
Well, you know, I was in the rearview mirror and then if they
just lay an egg against Maryland, then do they spend the
next, you know, talk about rest. Do they spend the next seven
days just stewing on that and that, and that becomes also,
that's a tough spot. Would sit in the car.
What do you do? Do you rip them?
Do you not like that? I don't know.
Do not know the answer there. Yeah, but now you're sitting
eight days, just stewing on that loss.
That could feed. I'm with you.
There is something to kind of be like, hey man, let's just win
them all. Got like we have, we have a, we
have a relatively easy path to the championship.
So to speak, you know, we're not going to see Michigan State.
We're not going to be pretty Roxy Iowa.
You know, let's get to the championship and then figure it
out and then let's just keep winning.
Like let's let's just, we only got, you know what?
Six seven eight, nine. We got nine more games, let's
win them all, it's funny because a lot of people are like, well,
if you, if you make it to the championship game in the Big Ten
Tournament, then you're not going to be arrested and all of
this and it's like, that's not really how it's worked.
Like, if you go back to 2015, here's what the champion of the
Big Ten tournament did in the NCAA tournament.
In 2015, Wisconsin one, they went to the title game and they
lost obviously to Duke in that horrific, refereeing display,
the next year. Michigan, 81, they were the two
seed and they lost in the first round in Middle, Tennessee,
State in 2017. Michigan.
Kind of went on a surprise run as the eighth seed, they win the
Big Ten Tournament. There are seven seed in the NCAA
tournament and they make it to the Sweet 16 in 2018 Michigan
wins. Again, goes on a run, makes it
all the way to the title game and ends up losing to Villanova
2019. Michigan state is the one seed
wins. The Big Ten Tournament.
Makes it all the way to the final four and Losses to Texas
Tech. There was no tournament in 2020
because of covid. Indiana is, you know I think
data one that we should claim that Championship we were the
highest seated we're gonna have the number one all-time be you
know NCAA tournament team in 76 and put up, put up the 2020,
Big, Ten title Banner like just let's see.
What is anything Illinois in 2021 wins as they were the
number one seed in the Midwest? And of course, they lost in the
second round to Loyola. And then last year, Iowa's, the
5c goes on Ron beats Indiana in the semis beats Purdue in the
final and then loses in the first round to Richmond.
So there's really no Rhyme or Reason.
It's not like well if you make it to the title game, you're
screwed because you're tired, but it's also not like you make
it to the title game, or win the title game and you use that as a
catapult, it really does come down to less about what happens
in the tournament and more about where is your team at at that
point in time and what are they going to do?
I don't even know if it's necessarily situation where it's
like, well, how well were you playing coming into?
Do it. I mean that Michigan team that
was an eight seed. I mean that team at one point
was they made a bit of a run towards the end of the year but
they weren't anything special like they lost in Minnesota.
They lost in Northwestern. They just happen to get hot at
the right time. They make it to the Sweet 16,
you know? That's you can do that.
If you're an eye, you that that is playing well and taking, you
know, doing what they need to do, that's where it's going to
be fascinating to watch. You know, I will say, the one
thing I really want to see that I'm really fascinated about Not
just with IU. But with everybody is like,
first of all, what does I you look like on a neutral floor
against other Big Ten teams because the Big Ten has been so
home dominant over the course of this season that it's really
been hard to get a good sense of how much teams are actually good
and how much it's just team is relying on home, court advantage
or Road game disadvantage. Might be the better way of
putting it because there's been some inexplicable Road
performances across the board. Now that Edinburgh That broke
down a little bit. At the end of the year.
You think about Indiana winning at Purdue.
I will winning in Indiana, Nebraska winning at Iowa.
Northwestern winning at Rutgers. You know, like, there have been
some weird quirks to the the system, but I am curious to see
how that goes because I think Indiana could farewell, on a
neutral floor, if there were not Big Ten referees with the Big
Ten referees, I'm not as sure, but that is going to be
something keeping an eye on the other thing I think is going to
be really fascinating to watch is You know do we see?
I you you know, are they going to be?
How does Jay Lamont Ruffino adjust to knowing that the
spotlight is now going to be on him?
You know as he preps to try to go to the NBA draft.
How does tres Jackson, Davis respond.
On the one hand, I think both of those guys are cool enough
customers that it's not going to affect them.
I think that especially now that Trace Jackson Davis has been
doing NCAA tournament the newness of that wears off.
I am just curious to see everybody else perform.
Forms especially Jalen Hurd Ruffino because you know he's
had his normal kind of up and down games and I think of
Indiana is going to win more than a couple of games.
In either of these tournaments, he's going to have to play with
more consistency and at a higher level simultaneously, otherwise
it might be a pretty quick trip both times.
Yeah, I mean it's there's a world where I can see Indiana,
you know, getting to the finals and maybe winning the term.
It's also like that's unfortunately, it's like that
takes a level of consistency. We just haven't seen, you know,
on a game. Now, what's interesting here is,
you know, we haven't seen that may be, it may be playing that
quickly, just back to back to back.
Like, it doesn't give you the time to kind of have that
letdown after the Purdue win and come in unprepared against Iowa.
Like Maybe this is just a, you know, but it's it's even tougher
to agree with that because we look inconsistent, even within
games. Like it's not like we're great
one game. And then we're like, we're
Michigan was a perfect example, think we're great.
And then we're not and then we come on really strong at the
end. So I'm I just hope to see that.
We don't have one of those complete Collective Duds.
I think, as long as we can get out of the Big Ten tournament
without having an Iowa, you know, 15-point loss, I'm going
to feel A pretty good about our chances in the NCAA tournament.
I think that's fair. You know, and I think ultimately
again I don't think it matters that much will talk about the
games. Obviously, as they happen we'll
do a preview podcast leading into that Friday game so that we
can talk about whoever it is going to be playing, but it's
going to look. I mean, ultimately I just wanted
the Anna to have a good experience, nobody to get
injured and and, and get their heads, ready for tournament
play. Because I do think that this
Indiana team when their backs are against the wall.
As we saw in the Michigan, game responds, really well, Mike
Woodson's job. This week is getting this team
to realize that their backs were against the wall, every game
from this point forward and like they've got a they've got to
bring that energy and that intensity especially on the
defensive end for more of the game than they bring bringing it
in all games, except that game at Purdue, that's going to be
the difference between a season that people walk away.
Really happy about a season that people walk away kind of
scratching their head wondering. What if I have two questions for
you to wrap up. Go ahead, one is a bracket
racket question, but I'll bring it on here, they'll hang out,
the listen. No, but something we talked
about a lot in the crean era was you know, the the non-conference
scheduling not that the high level games weren't there.
But that a lot of the low level teams were in really, The
Bargain Basement. And that was always hurting our
seed line because we were playing your teams in the 300s.
Question is I look at our schedule this year, you know,
you have, you know, Morehead State Bethune cookman your 252
346. You know, Miami Ohio, Little
Rock Jackson State or 267 323 298.
Amusing can Palm numbers Ilan and Kennesaw State elon's 338
you can say it's better there 129, I think they just made the
tournament they did. But every other team that I
mentioned is, you know, your your the 250s you're in the 300s
that reminiscent of crean era scheduling my question to you
for bracket bracket, like if we sub out some of you know,
Bethune-Cookman and Elon if we sold those teams out, Kennesaw
State type teams in that ranking era is that was holding us back
from a three seed or is that hurting our numbers enough, like
it does well under. Like I agree with it in the
Korean era but it seems like no one's been talking about it with
this year's team that a lot of our bad teams we played were
really that. Well, it's a good question.
I think, you know, look what I would say to people on the
schedule is as follows Indiana. If you look at a fish, And see
margin played the 14th toughest schedule in the country this
year. And then they'll and now, that's
because 20 of those 31 games came against Big, Ten teams.
And that's what you have to keep in mind.
I mean, if you go back and look at crean era teams that they
don't look as good, you know, in 2014 that was the 58th toughest
schedule 51st toughest schedule in 2015, 2016, Indiana played
the 65th toughest schedule. You know, even in the 2013
season, Indiana played the 17 toughest schedule and in the
2012 season and played the 15th toughest.
So this this season's worth of teams that Indiana played
against was actually tougher by comparison.
Then what 2012 and 2013 played against.
I think my theory on this is as follows that yes, from a seating
perspective, you might do slightly better if you raise the
floor. But I don't think it matters
that much in terms of seating because what gets you high?
Higher in the seed list. As we see with the big 12 is
playing against quad one teams and beating them.
And all you're doing with your strength of schedule stuff by,
you know, eliminating the the 250 to 350 teams and subbing in
150 to 250 teams is, you're bulking up the overall quality
of your schedule but you're not giving yourself the top end
games that you would need to compete.
And I think the big problem right now that what's holding
Indiana back is Two things, one. If you look at Let's take a team
like Marquette. They're relatively comparable to
Indiana in terms of the winds that they've got told.
I mean they have six quad one wins Indiana's.
Got five, marquette's got five, quad 2 wins Indiana's got six.
What the difference is quite simply.
That India has got more losses than Marquette and that's why
Marquette is going to be seated higher than them.
If you look at a team like I'm trying to get another good
example here to give you well let's take Baylor.
Okay. Baylor You know, who's a 2 seed?
And as Ben was knocking on the 1 seed or Baylor's, got 11 quad,
one wins and and of those 11 quad one wins I think like seven
or eight of them are Road in neutral.
And the problem is just a big 10 wasn't that strong, they weren't
that top-heavy like the big 12 was because the Big 12
collectively said we're going to schedule stronger non-conference
games. And that led to a situation in
the net where a lot of teams just like Oklahoma.
Who's frankly a pretty sucky team?
Yes, they blew Alabama out, but, but on the whole for the season,
they were pretty sucky but that's a tier 1 win, you know?
So I think that that's really what's holding you back, seating
wise, if I, you would one, you know, any of the road games that
they lost Maryland Penn State Rutgers Northwestern Iowa.
You know, if any of the ones that would have been like
halfway within shouting distance or you know I mean that those
games would have been Quad one right there.
And that pushes you over the edge.
But Indiana, they played plenty of games.
They got you know this season was kind of weird because the
Big 12 had so many quad one wins.
So you can either win a bunch of games and have enough quad one
wins or you could just have a bunch of your wins.
Be quad, one wins and Indiana. Unfortunately had neither in
this case. Yeah, I'd still like to get out
of the 300 ranked. Well, I mean, I will say and if
I didn't want to get too much into scheduling philosophy, I I
agree with you. I also think that Mike Woodson
We looked at this team and said, this is a team that's gonna have
to learn how to play differently than they played last year
because I'm going to have essentially two point guards and
a bunch of role players are going to try to figure out how
to play in the very specific roles.
And I think he looked at it and said, I had a tinkerer and
experiment and get, guys comfortable.
I got a freshman that's going to play a lot of minutes.
I don't want to put a situation where we're playing a bunch of,
like teams that can scare you. Because remember, you know, with
no Xavier Johnson, and with a struggling jail and Hood pheno
Indiana, I had really rough outings against Ilan and
Kennesaw State that Kennesaw State game was pretty close.
And that's the tricky part of playing.
Those sorts of teams is that they're not bad, you know?
I mean, Kennesaw State. He said they're going to NCAA
tournament, you know you want it.
Morehead State would have probably been an NCAA tournament
team. I mean, they were the one seed
in the Ohio Valley, so that's where it does get a little bit
tricky as like, you got to schedule the right mid-level
teams as opposed to just scheduling ones that are
available. Horrible and you have to know
what your team needs. Ultimately in order to make it
work, that's fair. The other thing you mentioned is
Xavier Johnson, I think the last question I think it's a good
time to mention it because will quickly get into Big Ten
tournament and still a tournament.
Like I'm curious your thoughts on the call to let's first take
of discussion. Let's just assume you know that
we don't know his health and that he's not be if he's being
held back because he's not healthy.
Then obviously it's the right decision.
But let's say for sake of argument.
Sake. Let's just assume that maybe he
could have played, he could have provided, you know, 5 or 10
minutes a game for the next three or four weeks two part
question. Like what do you like the
decision and then B being the Seer of seers with the
n-c-double-a? Do you think he gets the
exemption to play next year? Well, I mean, I'm, let's put it
this way. I don't think, I don't think I
you and Xavier Johnson. Specifically would have, you
know, put out that statement if they didn't feel pretty good
about getting a waiver. Yeah, you know, I've heard some
some fascinating things about that whole process that that
aren't really suitable for podcasting but it's an
interesting situation because I think ultimately I think Xavier
Johnson would have played if he was medically ready to play, you
know, and I think that ultimately if there's a question
mark about whether his contributions would be available
or if he was going to potentially injure himself, I
don't think they're just going to hold him out because I don't,
I mean, look, Xavier Johnson's. How old is David, Johnson?
He's 24 or yeah. He's, he's he's not, he's not a
spring chicken in college basketball leaders.
When is his birthday? 10 1499.
Nine. So he will be 24 that, right?
Yeah, 23, 24, years old before the start of the upcoming
season. That's pretty old for a college
basketball player. It's not unheard of in the covid
era or if you're BYU, but it's, you know, but it's one of those
things where it is unusual. I look, I'll say this.
When we didn't see Xavier Johnson back by mid-February, I
had a sneaking suspicion that we might end up with not saying in
back at all and, you know, Goes back to a lot of things we
talked about. Like you don't want to rush a
guy Mike. Woodson certainly has his own
experience rushing back as part of the process, but I also think
Johnson and his family likely had, you know, a lot of
conversations about what's really going to be best.
And if you have a chance at getting another year of college
basketball, particularly in an era where you can make upwards
of a million dollars as a college basketball player, know
you're going to lead a team like Indiana, you know, you're going
to come in and be the starting point guard.
Yeah. And and, you know that even if
he went elsewhere, and I don't think he would go elsewhere
because he's already got everything set up here.
But even if he were to say, you know what, I'm going to, I'm
going to transfer somewhere else.
This is a different era than what you would have before.
And I think without ni L, this is a no-brainer.
If he could play, he would play. But if you couldn't play, he
would just be done. And I mean, the whole process of
going back and trying to get a waiver, you know, that process
is largely there. I think because you can, you
can, you can make some Bank, you can get, you can play another,
you're a basketball and Yo, I mean Xavier Johnson going to get
a real shot at the NBA. Probably not.
Is he going to go overseas? I don't know.
I mean, I'm assuming he'll try to play for at least a couple of
years, but if you can, like, why not put yourself in a position
where you could come back and play again.
If you weren't actually able to come back and contribute and I
look, I think he he likely had it in his mind that he was going
to get right and be able to come back and contribute and be up
and running and it would have been great if he was able to To
but it's I have to think that this was a decision that made a
lot of sense all the way around in order for it to come out and
be made. And I'm just glad they made the
announcement, you know, before the game but I think it was
interesting. Because remember, the original
announcement, I think was that do I have this right?
That the original announcement was that he was going to go
through senior night and then yes.
And then he didn't go through senior night which that, that
old the whole timing and everything really is
interesting. And that's what makes me think
that the waiver is more likely than not because I can't imagine
That he would have pulled out a senior night only to never get a
chance to like say anything to the crowd because the waiver
didn't go through again. Not I don't know what's going to
happen. I don't have any inside
information. I just think that sequence kind
of tells you that they feel pretty good about the process.
No, I agree and if you I obviously know nothing but you
know he hasn't dressed since his injury but then the Iowa game,
he was dressed and he was in a uniform.
Now he didn't play. But it's if at that point he
knew He's going for the medical Redshirt, you probably wouldn't
suit up. I mean, he wasn't even just
wearing his warm-ups like he was at the Jersey like he just was
ready to rip off the candy stripes and go.
So like that was also odd that then he's back to street clothes
after saying, I like this, I like detective Scott here, doing
doing some forensics. I needed.
I hadn't thought about that, but that's, that's a good Shout by
you, it's interesting. Yeah, no I agree and I think,
you know, from from Woodson's Did I think there's a lot, you
know, there's always a part where it's like, God, if you
could just get, you know, ten minutes of, you know, good
Xavier, good and healthy Xavier Johnson.
It brings so much this team. But, you know, you're asking a
lot and, you know, it's just, it's a long time to be off and
you're coming into high pressure games.
And if you're Woodson is like, do I want to risk everything?
And this guy is, you know, risk, another year of Xavier just on
what could be a game and a half or two games, when from a
program, Aim high level perspective.
This makes a lot of sense because now like it Shores up
basically a big question mark going into next season, you know
if well jail hit Ruffino and you lose, you know, you're losing a
little you know three starters and your point guard now it's
like all right. Well now we have a point guard,
that's one spot in the portal. We don't need to get because
there's gonna be a lot of question marks this team next
year. Now, you've kind of already you
theoretically gone into the portal and got somebody, you got
save your jobs. Well and I think there's one
other important point and and you essentially brought it up
there already. But the portal just much like ni
L, the portal changes the whole equation because it's like, you
know, under normal circumstances if I'm Xavier Johnson and I'm
looking at potentially coming back and playing it, I you for
another year. I'm like, really like no Trace
Jackson Davis. No, no miller cop, no race
Thompson. You have a very unsettled
frontcourt. You've, you're not going to
jail. Hit your fee.
No. So you're going to be alone in
the backcourt with what with Trey Galloway was, you know, not
a bad running mate. But there's not very much else
that's proven on this team, you know, I mean you've got some
interesting pieces that have done a few things this year and
Malik renew and Caleb Banks. You've got Tamar Bates who's
been a big question mark, you've got CJ gun who's barely played,
but the portal means, I think I use going to be a big player in
the portal, this upcoming offseason.
I mean, I use got the money, they've got the cash a they, you
know, they view their going to put to play.
Is potentially the first round of the NCAA tournament.
Maybe one player in the lottery there, you know, they they
finished in the probably going to finish in the top fifteen
sixteen, the polls there. The three seed in the Big Ten
tournament. They're going to be a top four
seed unless something drastic that we don't know about has
happened with the selection committee.
I use got some juice right now and I use going to be a really
attractive destination for some top level players who are going
to be like, whoo playing time at a program that matters
nationally again. N and then enter your point.
Like if you're Woodson to you're hitting it, it's like now I also
like I can sell. Hey, if you're a swing man, I
got a point guard for you, but this is not theirs.
That's one question mark, we don't need.
So if I'm a, you know, I'm a 69 Trio, portal guy.
It's like, back up. His Avery Johnson like that
dude. Knows how to run a big 10 team
like I can go and like I know I'm gonna get the ball in the
right spot. We'll see what happens.
But yeah, that would be my take on things and we'll see.
I mean, I'm really fascinated to see how it all plays out and I
hope he's back and I hope he gets the waiver and I and you
know, I'm not here. Yeah.
And I wasn't more power to and look and we'll say it's like
that's a guy when he's at his, Apex he is one of the top,
passers and assist man in the country.
And that's going to be attractive for somebody to come
in and want to play with. And and he would be the
Undisputed leader. Of the team, you know?
I mean that that is and that's something he really hasn't had
throughout his time in college and so it'll be interesting to
see what happens. Certainly anyway, alright, we
are going to wrap up. Thank you Scott as always look
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