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Welcome back to Crimson 
cascading Fabio joining you once

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again in a few weeks sorry about
that. 

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It's an interesting time of year
as we get ready for the start of

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school. 
And of course, the start of 

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football and IU football in full
swing practice wise as we watch 

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this team start to put itself 
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Together after what was 
obviously a disappointing last 

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year and we've got some folks to
talk with us about it from the 

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Hoosier Network. 
We've got Evan gareki and Max, 

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Parker joining us, guys. 
Good to see you. 

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How was the summer? 
How you guys doing? 

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How's everything going? 
I mean, I just want to say, I am

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very excited to be on Crimson 
cast, because when even before I

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made this, the switch over to 
doing sports media, I listened 

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to Crimson cats. 
So I looked up in the it for 

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people who can't see, there's a 
little Crimson cast marker in 

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the top left of my screen. 
I was like no way okay I'm on 

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Crimson Caso summer was great. 
Had a lot of fun I interned at 

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WISH-TV and that was a blast but
I'm super excited to be back. 

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Got a chance to go to IU 
football training camp, a few 

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times and just excited to jump 
back into football. 

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Thanks, Max is Good to see you 
back. 

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Evan, how are you doing? 
How was the summer? 

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I'm doing great. 
Yeah, I was out in a New York 

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this summer, interning with the 
Baseball Hall of Fame. 

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So I've been kind of all over 
the country this summer, little 

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bit out of the I football beat, 
but I'm the loop but I'm jumping

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back in. 
I'm ready for a new season to 

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come. 
Start fresh after last year. 

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I'm excited to cast that up and 
telling me or tell them. 

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You are well-versed and ready to
give your hot takes. 

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Oh yeah. 
Always, you know, to some 

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degree. 
I think. 

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I think a lack of Prior, like, 
focus on IU football, might lead

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to more optimistic, or at least 
less less downtrodden. 

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Takes, I think so, I think Evans
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Make this speech so many times 
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All right guys, let's Dive Right
into IU football. 

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You know, fall Camp, which I 
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Calling it fall Camp because 
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Still like both those 
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realistically speaking. 
We haven't even started the fall

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semester yet, but it's back and 
This are you team obviously with

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a lot of pieces to pick up from 
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Last year did not go 
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like I need to recap that here 
but not a lot of people 

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believing in this IU football 
team and just kind of go through

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some of the stuff that we've 
seen generally have been picked 

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either sixth or seventh in the 
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you're looking at like pick six 
previews or PFF, or I think ESPN

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had them down in that range as 
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interesting. 
Because clearly, this team had a

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bad season last year. 
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where everything went wrong. 
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it were injury, some parts of it
were motivation, some part of it

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was coaching some part of, it 
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really struggled pretty much the
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You know, even of the two wins 
that they got, one of them was a

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barely win against a group of 
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So, they come into this year, 
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any Improvement is probably 
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record. 
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know you covered the team a lot 
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As you think about last season, 
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so far in this offseason, you 
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The current Vibe is with this 
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compare to what we saw say at 
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Yeah so I think I think there 
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out. 
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Taiwan from Big Ten media day 
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decision to come back and his 
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not going. 
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So it's and that was a that was 
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yesterday. 
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camp was we were talking to the 
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like we just can't do that 
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that again and so on the one 
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recognition that that's just 
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happen again. 
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on a lot, more accountability 
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side of things. 
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to know. 
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few opportunities to talk to 
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believing in the same, the same 
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the interesting aspect is you 
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when you are really, really 
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about himself as a coach and 
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He's learned a lot about himself
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lot about themselves as a team. 
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greater sense of obviously, when
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season, they were, there was a 
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But I think there's a deeper 
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deeper sense of connection 
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It's interesting because one of 
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watch it from afar like I did of
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was how together they seemed. 
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season you know they have the 
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Bowl where they take the Big Ten
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they Felt disrespected like it 
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of Esprit de corps that famous 
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the players. 
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yelling about how Tom Allen's 
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I mean, it's odd to watch that 
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So rapidly particularly in a 
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this team was going to be really
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kind of spectrum of realities, 
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three years. 
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And, you know how A team. 
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terms of believing in each other
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Yeah, I mean, you kind of 
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There's definitely a chance this
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which of the last three seasons 
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Is it last year? 
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Is it the the, you know, top ten
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And the shortened season, are 
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for a 20-19 where they were 
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that bowl game? 
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aim at this year. 
I think that's where they're 

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trying to kind of push the 
pieces to they're not going to 

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be a team this year, that kind 
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I don't think anyone's expecting
that again, but there are still 

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a lot of really good pieces on 
this team that are things go 

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really work really, really well 
make. 

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They finally get it together and
it'll be harder this year 

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because they're outside, Tom 
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regime. 
They've got a new offensive and 

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defensive coordinators. 
They lost a lot of our coaching 

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pieces from last year but the 
player A lot of the players that

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contributed early on are still 
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The defensive backs you've got 
Taiwan mole and you've got 

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Jaylyn Williams, you've got 
Devon Matthews all returning. 

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The offense is a little bit New 
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quarterback with Michael panics 
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There's definitely a chance for 
something to kind of come 

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together and create a spark. 
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and the end of the season and by
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two and six, two and seven, you 
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just see that the effort was no 
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There that they were all 
downtrodden and a year that was 

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just way tougher than anyone 
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They start their the season 
ranked 17, we're driving to Iowa

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talking. 
The car about, you know, how 

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many points is IO? 
Need a score to keep up with 

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Indiana. 
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answer was first pick six and 
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So it's there's a sense, kind of
like what is this team even 

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capable of And and from the fall
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really put that together because
everything feels so different 

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and like after the two and ten 
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it's like where does Indiana go 
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It's a really hard question 
because there's so many new 

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pieces and you mentioned the 
defense and certainly the back 

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seven of the defense is 
relatively stable you lose Mike 

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McFadden but you've got people 
in the linebacker positions that

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have some Koreans, clearly, the 
secondary is the strength of the

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defense d-line. 
There's some question marks. 

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We'll see how that pans out but 
offensively at the skill 

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positions I will be. 
Anybody has a clue what to 

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expect. 
It was essentially a wholesale 

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change from what we saw last 
year now that needed to happen. 

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You know, I mean, you'll never 
know what Michael penix might 

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have brought to the table if he 
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But it was clear that he was not
physically capable of going. 

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Basically, from the get-go, it 
also is clear. 

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That last year's version of 
Jack. 

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Tuttle was not ready to step in 
and quarterback this team as a 

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starter. 
And that wasn't even I think, 

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arguably the most troubled 
position on the offense, I mean,

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running back, you play to 
Walk-Ons, you really get very 

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little production out of the guy
that you thought was going to 

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come in and be the day. 
One starter you have injuries at

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wide receiver and you can't have
anybody getting open throughout 

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the course of the year, you 
know, and obviously the 

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offensive line had its 
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So It's it's almost impossible. 
I feel like Max to get a good 

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sense of what to expect out of 
this offense because they're 

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there are some intriguing pieces
that we have never seen in an IU

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uniform. 
And then there's other pieces 

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that could step up but we have 
no clue if they're actually 

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going to be able to. 
Yeah I mean I think it's very 

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interesting just kind of the 
shuffling and appoint the Evan 

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mention, there are a lot of the 
same names and faces on this 

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team, but at the same time, I'm 
we really have no idea what this

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team is going to do. 
And you mentioned skill 

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positions is DJ Matthews coming 
back. 

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I really think he's going to 
have a good season. 

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He's kind of they're shaping up 
to be their number one Target. 

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And he's a, he's rightfully. 
So he had a talented, talented 

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skill set and he had good 
numbers before he got injured 

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last year. 
Relatively early on against 

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Western Kentucky. 
But I think I think it it starts

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with the quarterback, the most 
important position in sports and

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there's still a question mark 
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With Connor Baseline. 
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I mean so we've heard a lot 
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won't bail won't name a starter 
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starter. 
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seen footage from the IU 
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throwing, you know, at whether 
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of pro Camp earlier this year 
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named to, you know, a couple of 
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probably going to be starting 
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really seen and heard is like, 
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humanitarian award watch list. 
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them, which is great for him. 
But we haven't really seen him 

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talked about seriously, Evan, as
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potentially for this team. 
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understand, I don't necessarily 
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I understand why the team does 
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So, you know, it's a stylistic 
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But I mean in your mind what 
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Basil ACT versus total as the 
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starter for the rest of the 
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Yeah, it is hard to say right 
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kind of a big secret of what's 
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and it probably should even be 
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I'm think I'm being a little bit
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this transfer from the SEC. 
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around for a few years now and 
he has not done anything to kind

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of, for me to. 
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he deserves a starting role that
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anything, on the offseason. 
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he could have improved and he 
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I don't know. 
Walt Bell did say that today. 

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Actually probably be a really 
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They're having an Assad 
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kind of taken steps forward but 
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the guy that you got to be 
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I think is his starting position
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need to be Michael penix. 
Everyone knows that if Michael 

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panics is that as best, you 
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football to the next level that 
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of happened and for a little bit
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there. 
Basically, just have to do that.

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He really just has to be more 
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role where it's just a solid 
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help the team. 
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I was looking at that was 
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just a good article about kind 
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Jack title on Connor basil. 
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basal-like was his completion 
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was around Around 10 percent 
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31 percent completion. 
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likes had the advantage over 
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numbers. 
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A lot as a number for me that I 
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see if, if one guys better You 
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when Under Pressure that's the 
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for first because that's what we
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quarterbacks just getting hit 
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pocket collapsing on them and 
they can't you know, complete 

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passes under that. 
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long year for Indian football. 
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little bit but the need I mean 
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it's not even like his ability 
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and just move the ball down the 
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You get hit and get back up and 
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next snap. 
That ends up being the big 

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question mark. 
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I mean the pressure things, a 
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back and watching the highlights
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for Indiana just to try to 
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That's probably the biggest 
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Tuttle is how much these lights?
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highlights in that they were cut
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It wasn't every minute of the 
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It's like, he's gone. 
Any other teams highlights. 

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Well, you know, it's funny that 
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that I'm the most fascinated by 
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I think, we're pretty much the 
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but, you know, that would have 
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That it was where the Cincinnati
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game. 
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an interesting tale. 
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people focus so much on the 
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targeting call. 
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many Possessions Indiana Thruway
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half of that game going for it 
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the knockout punch early rather 
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goal and adding some points to 
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I think that that made a big 
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Michigan State game, what was 
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Indiana was in that game? 
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they got frankly out of the 
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fact, it not only did it, do 
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It took some stuff off the table
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I think there was a pick six in 
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similar. 
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was in a lot of those throws and
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all the things that occurred 
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the the confounding variables 
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interesting. 
I think of Base like comes in 

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and is the starter, how do his 
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Because that was one problem. 
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blamed a little bit too much on 
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impossible. 
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receivers to get open and 
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the schemes. 
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guys, not having the physical 
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Defenders that were on them. 
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and it tended to add two or 
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or three seconds that Indiana 
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Because of the problems that 
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terms of trying to keep them. 
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Yeah. 
And I'm glad you brought that up

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because I was just looking kind 
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Mike, Teutul and panics. 

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I mean, basic just raw. 
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He completed passes at a higher 
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did. 
But the thing that's going to be

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interesting to see in, this is 
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offensive line performs. 
Is it base, like isn't a runner,

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you know, and panics. 
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Had that ability when he was 
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To be a great mover in the 
pocket and also extend plays 

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with his legs. 
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few more seconds to allow that 
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He he doesn't really Rush, he 
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And so I think, Are you has to 
get if they want to if they want

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to put base like in the best 
situation obviously you need 

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good offensive line play, but I 
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interesting to see how basal 
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And he's getting a bulk of the 
Playtime how he adapts when the 

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pocket breaks down. 
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Now it's going to be 
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I mean, he's basil, acts record 
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curious one because I mean he, 
they racked up some wins 

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obviously. 
He struggled against like 

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Arkansas does close the season 
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that that's a tough game on the 
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But you know, he really trailed 
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season in terms of both passes 
attempted and passes completed 

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and you know, I think in the 
last five total games that he 

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was the starter he only threw a 
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in those five games that does 
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know kind of turning on Stalin's
26 There's options. 

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Well back, yeah, well and if you
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games, you only add three 
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So I do think there's some cause
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guy and certainly there were 
other factors with Missouri that

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that you could think about. 
But, you know, this kind of 

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leads me to a larger question 
about what we've seen out of 

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practice so far. 
It's, it's interesting thinking 

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about okay, who are the pieces 
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It's hard to Envision them 
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most of them in these roles. 
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you and then I want to move to 
Evan, but who have you seen so 

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far max out of practice? 
That's made an impression on 

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you. 
And what was that impression? 

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Yeah, I mean there's a there's a
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then I'll start with and then 
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kind of made a lot of made a lot
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Sean chivers transferring in 
from Auburn. 

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I think there was a moment 
yesterday at practice that stuck

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out where he Performed a wrap. 
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as media we are not allowed to 
look. 

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It's even different from in NFL 
training camp like we're allowed

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to be there for plays in NFL 
training camp. 

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I got some experiences there at 
Colts training camp. 

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We're allowed to be there when 
they run their 11 on 11 here for

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IU training camp. 
We are allowed to be there for 

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the drills like the like where 
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And you got it, like the lat 
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So there's only so much you can 
glean from that stuff, but there

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was a moment when Sean drivers 
got some feedback from his 

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running backs coach. 
And then each guy after that, he

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stayed around and gave them some
feedback to. 

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So I think there's a level of 
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That'll be interesting to see 
that. 

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I mean, Stephen Carr was a 
really talented guy, but he was 

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for the most part. 
Pretty quiet in my experiences 

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with Him. 
I don't know. 

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I'm not in the locker room so I 
don't know but there's a level 

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of leadership from Sean drivers 
that I'm going to be interested 

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in and then Donovan McCauley 
that switch over from 

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quarterback to wide receiver. 
If you just line these wide 

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receiver rooms up thumb Donovan 
McAuley is like oh hey like 

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you're tall. 
If you look at just across the 

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field, you can pick Donovan 
McCullough, you can say. 

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Yep, that's number one, that's 
out of a colleague. 

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He's big and he's got that 
athleticism. 

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I think he could form to be a 
really big Target. 

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I think it's going to be 
fascinating when this wide 

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receiver depth chart comes out. 
Because again, as we've said 

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over and over broken record 
here, there's so much mystery in

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terms of who's going to be where
so I think Donovan McCauley 

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could really make an impact 
alongside DJ Matthews Junior, 

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and then I'm going to go on for 
one more guy. 

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Omar Cooper, Junior, junior was 
a really talented recruit coming

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in. 
I mean he was a four-star guy 

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from Lawrence North. 
That is People were worried, he 

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wasn't going to commit because 
he or sign on because he signed 

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on late. 
I think he's a guy. 

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Who's got the physical numbers? 
He's 61 193, I'm from McCauley 6

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5 to 10. 
So I even that like Omar 

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Cooper's, a talented guy down, 
McCauley's, huge. 

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I think that's going to be 
fascinating to see ya. 

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Lot of people have been 
questioning that move Evan and 

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clearly. 
Macaulay was one of the 

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highest-rated recruits that I 
you had ever gotten you know he 

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He made it, I think people 
assumed okay this could be the 

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quarterback of the future, it 
really wasn't working out for 

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him. 
Last year, he was really 

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struggling to complete passes. 
You know how? 

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When you heard the news that he 
was moving to wide receiver? 

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How did you take that? 
And how do you think this 

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00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,800
experiment is going to play out 
as he moves forward into the 

450
00:24:45,808 --> 00:24:47,200
next stage of his college 
career? 

451
00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:50,200
Yeah, I'm pretty sure when I saw
Ella to my phone and went, yeah 

452
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,300
sounds right, and then cut 
moves, what I would whatever I 

453
00:24:52,308 --> 00:24:55,800
was doing. 
It's funny because I remember 

454
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,700
doing podcasts like last year 
and And before the season 

455
00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:00,600
started and we were kind of 
going to the quarterback Jake 

456
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,100
depth chart and Dexter Williams.
Was that guy that we're like, 

457
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:05,000
okay well he might never 
actually see a snap at 

458
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,400
quarterback for Indiana, but I 
can conceivably see him playing 

459
00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:11,300
like a wide receiver role and 
now it's actually dynamically. 

460
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:15,200
That's the guy that's doing that
and with the size he has it is 

461
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,000
conceivable to see it work out. 
I mean, he's obviously a super 

462
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,600
athletic guy and we saw that a 
lot of his time at quarterback 

463
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,900
last year, but we also saw that 
he really wasn't the guy they 

464
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:28,500
were ever gonna Trust As 
quarterback. 

465
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:30,800
At least not in the fashion they
had last year. 

466
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:33,700
There was, I can't remember 
which game it was. 

467
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:36,400
But afterwards, one of the 
losses, there's enough of them 

468
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:38,600
afterwards time. 
I was in the press conference. 

469
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,700
Someone asked him, you know, 
Donna Mick Foley only through 

470
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:44,300
like 10 passes and Allen. 
Pretty much said, we don't trust

471
00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:47,000
him to throw the ball and when 
that's your quarterback, that's 

472
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,400
your guy. 
There's that you'd that's not 

473
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,300
sustainable at all, and that's 
why we saw Grant Grumble take 

474
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:57,000
the starting role against 
Purdue. 

475
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,600
We saw down. 
Um, holy for Thing. 

476
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,800
One Snap that game or one notes 
will snap and that was the 

477
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,100
quarterback sneak. 
That was a rushing touchdown. 

478
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,100
There was just it just wasn't 
there. 

479
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,500
And obviously, this is coaching 
staff thought it never was going

480
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:12,600
to be there at least in the form
of quarterback. 

481
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:16,500
But we've got a guy that Co 65 
and you can throw them out and 

482
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:19,900
wide receiver position. 
And it'll the one thing for me 

483
00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:24,800
is how physical can he get? 
He took a lot of his last year 

484
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,700
and went down for a bit. 
So came he kind of stay in and 

485
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:31,100
Some heads at the, what at the 
wide receiver position, but 

486
00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:35,800
assuming that he can, I don't 
see why this that switch won't 

487
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,400
work and I think it's a good 
switch for the team to move 

488
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,800
someone like that to wide 
receiver. 

489
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,600
The guys wall Bell is talked 
about ads position so far in 

490
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,800
Camp and I'm just going to kind 
of read through the names and 

491
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,600
honestly see how many you can 
recognize DJ Matthews is going 

492
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,900
to be the guy. 
He's going to be the number one 

493
00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:53,000
in the slot. 
He was really good. 

494
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,800
Last year before going down, 
you've got down in the McAuley 

495
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,500
who the average fan will know. 
As a quarterback. 

496
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:01,700
And so the wide receiver Javon 
sweatin, he's really kind of the

497
00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:04,800
last name from this, from 
Seasons past. 

498
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,300
He had a few decent catches that
kind of popped off paper, but 

499
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:11,600
then you've got cam camper is a 
Juco transfer Anderson Kobe, 

500
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,300
from Tennessee, Emery Simmons 
from UNC and then Omar Cooper 

501
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,200
who might be another one is 
probably going to stand a little

502
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,200
bit more to the the more 
advanced IU fan. 

503
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,700
But even some of these guys have
transferring in like don't have 

504
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:27,100
huge numbers elsewhere and some 
kobe didn't really do. 

505
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:30,000
Ton of Tennessee. 
Emery Simms is kind of the guy 

506
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,700
with the biggest numbers over 
there UNC and it's some pretty 

507
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:35,800
good competition. 
And obviously Juco transfers 

508
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:38,000
we've seen him work out before 
in Camp campers so that might be

509
00:27:38,008 --> 00:27:42,500
something, but that that room 
just it doesn't seem like it has

510
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:46,800
been in years past you had, you 
know, W failure and Nick 

511
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,200
Westbrook and then tie for rifle
will the past couple Seasons. 

512
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,200
So adding a name just to see 
what they can do, there is 

513
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,300
definitely really interesting 
strategy. 

514
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:01,600
But there's a chance that it 
definitely works out and I think

515
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:04,200
I football needs someone to work
out in that position. 

516
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:08,300
Not go for it well and you know,
it brings up one of the big, I 

517
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:11,800
think, under discussed issues 
last year, which were mentioned 

518
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,800
a little bit earlier, which was 
people get a little too down, 

519
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:22,300
the road on how football works 
and into, in today's game of 

520
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:25,100
college football, you have to 
have good athletes, a great 

521
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:27,700
athletes, and he got to give 
them space to operate, and 

522
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,800
Always both of those things seem
to be in very short supply last 

523
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,500
year. 
And, you know, I think for me 

524
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:36,800
and I think for a lot of other 
people, the initial news about 

525
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,800
McCulley moving over there was 
like, my God, like what is going

526
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,400
on? 
Like, this is another 

527
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,300
high-profile recruit that 
doesn't look like they're 

528
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,800
panning out, but I do think 
there's a big difference between

529
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,300
being a high school quarterback 
being a college quarterback. 

530
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:52,400
And if you're that good of an 
athlete, you're going to have a 

531
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,000
lot better chance at making a 
difference in a game if you're 

532
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,300
not. 
A top-line passer if we could. 

533
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:05,500
You listen uh-oh. 
I want to jump in and pointing 

534
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:07,800
this made retailer with a high 
school quarterback to. 

535
00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:10,000
He came in that corner back 
there for a while. 

536
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,900
Oh well I guess he was kind of 
recruited more as a cornerback 

537
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:16,300
then as a quarterback but that's
another name that he, you know, 

538
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:18,500
he started off in one position 
then you get to college and play

539
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,300
somewhere else. 
And I for the most part worked 

540
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:22,900
out, he definitely made his made
his impact here at IU. 

541
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:25,700
Yeah. 
And another guy, I think it's 

542
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:29,400
interesting growing up in 
Northwestern fan as we looked at

543
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,100
Frozen Galen on the screen. 
Frozen dr. 

544
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:36,800
G c and he's gone. 
Now, another name that popped up

545
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,400
growing in Northwestern fan came
Coulter. 

546
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,700
He was a guy who played a lot of
lot of quarterback but then he 

547
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:49,000
made a name for himself also, as
a wide receiver and moved on to 

548
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,400
the Vikings as a wide receiver. 
And I think again, as you were 

549
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,100
mentioning Galen before you got 
frozen, but I'm not that if you 

550
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:02,400
have that like, athletic 
potential And you're a quick 

551
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,100
mover. 
Why? 

552
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:06,800
Why not? 
I mean he's the one who came to 

553
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,800
coach Allen. 
That asked about that. 

554
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:13,200
Coach Allen has said that that 
he that Donovan came into his 

555
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,900
office and was like, coach. 
I'd like to, I'd like to make 

556
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:18,700
this move. 
So I think he sends to himself, 

557
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:22,800
that wasn't working at 
quarterback and obviously, his 

558
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,100
mindset is, he wants to do well 
in college but also for the pro 

559
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:27,900
level. 
And so clearly that was a 

560
00:30:27,908 --> 00:30:32,700
decision, he felt like he will 
excel at the most Will obviously

561
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,300
be keeping tuned in on this over
the next couple of weeks? 

562
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:37,500
As we get started for the 
season, I don't want to tempt 

563
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:40,400
fate because the internet has 
not been kind to us this morning

564
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,900
as you gentlemen, know, but last
question before we break up, 

565
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,400
there's been a lot of secrecy 
about what exactly Indiana's 

566
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,400
going to be doing on offense 
under won't bail, you know, and 

567
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,200
there's been a real focus on. 
I guess. 

568
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,800
Not tipping Indiana's. 
Hand as far as what their plans 

569
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,500
are. 
What do you expect? 

570
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,900
The Walt Bell offense, Look like
how will it be different from 

571
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:09,700
what we saw from from, you know,
Nick Sheridan and also like, how

572
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:12,000
is it different from what we saw
from Walt Bell when he was the 

573
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,200
head coach at UMass? 
Obviously a little bit of 

574
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,400
different situation there but 
you know, do you see this 

575
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,000
offense, taking a step forward. 
Do you have any inkling about 

576
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,200
what we might be? 
Seeing out of this offense as we

577
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,700
head into the season. 
Not really. 

578
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,900
Okay, we're all just in the 
dark. 

579
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:35,600
Evan, you got any ideas, not any
more than the next person. 

580
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,600
There's going to be some growing
pains with the team for sure, 

581
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,800
kind of restarting the system. 
And and there's not kind of the 

582
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,100
one or two guys that can really 
take this team to the next 

583
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:47,400
level. 
Maybe you see something out of 

584
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,700
Shawn Shriver so I really kind 
of helps boost the Run game 

585
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:52,300
which boost passing game and all
that. 

586
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:54,800
Maybe DJ Matthews has a good 
year and maybe one of those 

587
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,800
Quarterbacks that we've been 
talking about, kind of comes and

588
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,400
takes over and leads the team to
Glory or whatever, but it's 

589
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,400
going to be a rough season that 
there's going to be a lot of 

590
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,400
plays where you just kind of sit
back because I you fan like oh 

591
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,400
here we go again. 
But it could also work out so 

592
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,800
who knows who knows, right? 
I think I think what what could 

593
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,500
be interesting about this is 
that he is not at least based on

594
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:26,400
the numbers and his past stops. 
He's not some like offensive 

595
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,000
Guru, who's going to come in and
reinvent the way teams play 

596
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:37,100
college football offensively. 
I mean, he's a guy who seemingly

597
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:40,400
to this point and again, we 
don't see anything in training 

598
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,400
camp because we have to go Way 
when they run the plays but 

599
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:50,400
maybe it'll benefit this team to
keep things simple and just get 

600
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,100
back to the basics. 
Just I know this sounds so basic

601
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:58,500
but run an offense and just put 
the ball in the hands of your 

602
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:01,300
skill players and see what they 
can do. 

603
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,900
I think that's that might be a 
theme with this team. 

604
00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,300
This year is see what they can 
do. 

605
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,100
Yeah, I know the big question I 
have from last year and will 

606
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:13,700
close on this is Is how much of 
the problem last year was the 

607
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:15,100
scheme? 
What, you know, was what Nick 

608
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:18,200
shared into had put into play, 
and how much of it was a lack of

609
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,800
execution on the part of the 
players? 

610
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,700
And I mean, think there was 
clearly some fault on both sides

611
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:29,200
but it does make you wonder. 
It really makes you like think 

612
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,200
about. 
Okay. 

613
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:33,900
How would you have that big of a
fall-off in execution from one 

614
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:37,900
year to the next and it's you 
know, the the highs of 20 20 

615
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,300
tended to mask, some offensive 
deficiencies that were 

616
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:43,900
happening. 
And during that season two, he's

617
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:46,800
certainly not the same offense. 
He saw in 2019 I guess the 

618
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,200
question ultimately becomes and 
we won't know until we get 

619
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,600
further into the season. 
You know, does this approach a 

620
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,200
different approach? 
Does that make that much of a 

621
00:33:56,208 --> 00:33:58,100
difference? 
And do you get players to 

622
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,700
execute at a better level than 
they've executed over the last 

623
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:02,600
year? 
Essentially? 

624
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,000
I don't even knows that and we 
don't know nothing about the 

625
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,500
players that are there right now
to really be able to say and 

626
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:10,300
that's what makes these and so 
hard to figure out. 

627
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:14,100
So I will Ilse. 
We know that Connor basic and 

628
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:18,000
Rain threes from the corner 
that's important, and they made 

629
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,100
sure we knew that and we know 
that. 

630
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,500
So just that's important to 
Indiana fence. 

631
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,900
That's one of those guys who the
he can play two sports. 

632
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,699
Now, that's now that could be a 
whole other podcast of it, that 

633
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:37,500
could be a whole other podcast 
podcast, some Carter Bays, like 

634
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:40,500
in the corner for IU basketball.
Last time we did that in 

635
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:43,699
football was Antwaan, Randle a 
like, that lasted like season 

636
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:44,900
and a half. 
It wasn't. 

637
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:46,900
They didn't yield a lot of 
fruit. 

638
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:49,199
So anyway, we're going to wrap 
up. 

639
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,699
I appreciate everybody joining 
us, Evan Max, looking forward to

640
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,000
reading and listening and 
watching you guys as the season 

641
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,000
goes along and we'll have you 
back on here relatively soon. 

642
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,600
Thanks to all you folks for 
listening we had a lot more 

643
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,600
football coverage coming up here
over the course of the next 

644
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,100
couple of weeks as we get ready 
for Indiana, taking on Illinois,

645
00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:09,700
on the Friday before Labor Day 
to start the season at Memorial 

646
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:12,700
Stadium for Evan. 
For Max, I'm Galen this is 

647
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:14,100
Crimson cast part of the back 
home. 

648
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:17,100
Network will catch you folks on 
the flip side. 

649
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:18,800
Bring back the Bison so 
everybody