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You're listening to the back 
home network, presented by 

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home-field apparel. 
What about the Crimson cast 

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Galen? 
Clavius? 

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Got Caulfield joining you. 
Once again, it's Monday night, 

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January, 3rd, 2022. 
Scott, Happy New Year, Happy New

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Year to you, too. 
How was the celebration or was 

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there a sellout? 
Did you stay awake for the new 

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year? 
I guess. 

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That's what everybody wants to 
know. 

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I'm sure everyone's asking all 
the inquiring minds. 

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Yes. 
So real quick for those who want

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to know we booked a trip to 
Tucson. 

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We've canceled it three 
different times because of covid

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and we almost can't do it again 
because the weather in Tucson 

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was awful. 
It was colder there than it was 

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here and it rained. 
But every day we were there. 

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We stayed at the hotel but had a
water slide. 

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We never got to use it. 
Went to the desert. 

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I told my two boys, like enjoy 
this, there's not many times in 

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your life going to come with the
Tucson desert and get rained on.

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But we flew back on New Year's 
Eve. 

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We landed 11. 
My eight-year-old son. 

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We told him he could stay awake 
for the ball. 

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Drop. 
He fell asleep in the car will 

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come up. 
We got we got home at like 1157 

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he watched it. 
So yeah, it was nice to ring in 

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the New Year. 
And then I went back outside 

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like to get stuff out of the car
and I'm like, this feels better 

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than it felt the entire week of 
the week. 

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We were in Tucson. 
But not going to complain. 

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We got the trip. 
We had a great time. 

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I saw a Titan missile, silo at a
great time. 

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Hey, I mean anytime you can you 
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whatever. 
I guess that would be Fallout 

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New Vegas. 
If you're in Tucson, that would 

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be a bit closer or Wasteland but
it was like war games because 

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they talked a lot about the guys
with the guns like you do shoot 

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the other guys in turn the key. 
And yeah, okay. 

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Well, hey, I'm glad you had that
experience. 

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I did about you. 
Well, we have the with the mat 

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blasko wedding on New Year's Eve
that which did not go all the 

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way. 
It could have gone all the way. 

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Midnight, but my mom was 
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So we had to get back and spring
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stay awake for New Year. 
I was exhausted. 

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I fell asleep. 
I like 11:20. 

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Honestly, I've come to the 
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I think New Year's is maybe the 
most over that was say, 

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overrated. 
But it's the least consequential

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of all of the potential holidays
that are out there. 

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Like, I've, as I've gotten 
older, like nothing about New 

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Year's is great. 
Eight, once you're past like age

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26 and you're not out partying 
with people in the middle of I 

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mean you could certainly do that
when you get older than 26, but 

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every year that you do that over
the age of 26 you start to lose 

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a bit of the respect of your 
fellow human beings. 

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And so you end up with this 
situation. 

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There's nothing on TV because 
the CNN stuff is horrific and 

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you know, most of the stuff on 
the other networks isn't very 

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good either. 
And there's no like good 

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alternate New Year's programming
that Found. 

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So you just end up, unless 
you've got people at your house.

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You're just kind of sitting 
around waiting for a time on the

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clock, that maybe you make it to
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I normally don't fall asleep 
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So, like being up at midnight. 
It's no big deal to me. 

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But of all the other holidays 
versus New Year's night. 

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It's just it all kind of feels 
like, it doesn't amount to a 

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whole lot the big scheme of 
things and and I don't know. 

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Honestly, I you I was thinking 
for a while that that was me 

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being old and Only, but it's 
instead. 

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I realized I felt that way for a
long time. 

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Like, of all of the celebratory 
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Like, I'll take like, 
Thanksgiving dinner coming out 

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or Christmas when everybody 
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the Fourth of July, when the 
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really the whole day. 
Before that or Memorial Day like

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any, any one of a number of 
different options and above New 

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Year's. 
At this point is really low on 

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my list. 
It's low enough that. 

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I mean, for us to that we 
decided to travel on that day. 

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I was like, all right, like 
what? 

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We'll come back on New Year's 
Eve, two other quick things. 

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New Year's Eve related. 
We had some friends neighbors 

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who were having a party on our 
street and they waited for us. 

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I can do. 
We got back. 

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I was, let's have a drink and 
they like they said they pause 

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the countdown. 
So I had a fun moment where he 

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walk in like always pause the 
countdown as they start playing 

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with like two minutes to go and 
I'm like, oh so you guys don't 

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know what happened to the ball. 
Look at me. 

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It's like, just feel like I just
really had a great moment. 

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You're a jerk. 
I just want to say that. 

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So It's a good moment. 
I will let everybody know this. 

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And anybody who wants to join, 
is welcome to me. 

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My favorite part of the New 
Year's Eve day experience is for

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me. 
I've always loved watching the 

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Rose Bowl Parade. 
I just I love watching the Rose,

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Bowl Parade. 
I've always said, you know, if I

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you makes a Rose Bowl I'm going 
like I just I want to experience

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all of that. 
And as I'm getting up in age 

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with you, sit there watching 
with my wife, my kids. 

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I'm just like f it, like we're 
going to the Rose Bowl. 

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Parade, like I we are like I'm 
not going to For IU football 

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team. 
After they've I gave him 40 

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years, there have been waiting 
for 43 years, there might not 

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know there might not be a 
California. 

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If we wait let alone a Rose Bowl
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Like there's a chance that whole
thing could just like, you know,

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get get taken by the Sea at some
point here soon. 

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So I think you're thinking is 
valid here. 

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My wife is a teacher. 
So it's like next year. 

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The first is on a Sunday and 
they start school on the Monday 

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the next day. 
So I think that's undoable the 

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week after I think it's on a 
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they might start. 
On Wednesday, so New Year's Eve,

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New Year's Day is on a Wednesday
in January 1st. 2025. 

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I'm going already put my 
calendar. 

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I know this sounds crazy. 
But only three years old. 

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So 20, 25 January 1st. 
I actually have a friend who he 

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lives out in California. 
He'll it steady. 

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He listens to this pod. 
He married a beautiful sweet 

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woman, but she was a queen at 
the Rose Bowl. 

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So she's part of like, she knows
the parade. 

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So I have an inn on tickets. 
I hope II texted him today and I

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was like, we're coming through. 
Fear, as he's like great, that's

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that's planning at. 
I'm going January 1st 2025. 

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Anybody who wants to join, by 
the way, Tom Allen. 

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If you're listening, feel free 
to win to 11 games and join me 

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to like, you're more than 
welcome to join me. 

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Yes, that's my plan. 
Say this. 

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I like this. 
I like this methodology because 

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it's like, instead of waiting 
for IU football, to take us. 

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There you go. 
And you bring IU football with 

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you. 
I think this is, this is really 

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the fact that nobody's thought 
of this up, to this point is 

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actually kind of surprising to 
To me, so I good on and home 

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field making sure like, let's 
make a shirt January 1, 2025. 

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Let's go. 
Well, we'll get them on that. 

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Speaking of home field. 
They are that's gonna be awful 

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watching Ohio State play Oregon.
Like there you go. 

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Speaking of home-field. 
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sweatshirt. 
Here. 

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You've got your Marshall hoodie 
on and we didn't plan this. 

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This is just what we wear around
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I'm making, you know a know and 
my wife is wearing her vintage 

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crewneck. 
I you like 50s logo shirt. 

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So yeah, this is what we do. 
We loud planning. 

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We're both going to the IU game.
This Thursday. 

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What can I wear the Bison? 
Like, what are you youth? 

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The bison and the divorce? 
You take sweets, not a It's a 

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trial separation. 
Stop. 

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But no, you, you can have the 
Bison. 

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I won't wear the Bison this 
week. 

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I'll wear something else. 
But yeah, no, hope the Bison 

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down and say, who do you want to
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What have you? 
They've got a bit of all of it? 

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It's all comfortable. 
It's all stylish. 

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You will be the hit of, you 
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A party or gathering if you're 
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They're going to be like, what 
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of the back home network. 
Let's talk about IU, basketball,

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as the Hoosiers. 
Well, we thought we were going 

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to have a couple of games to 
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we talked in. 
Now, one of the games got 

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canceled and the other one 
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Indiana, traveled to Penn State.
The weakest team in the 

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conference by several different 
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I think you could say, probably 
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record. 
Well, I guess they weren't 

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technically the weakest because 
Nebraska exists on the planet, 

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but they were very ver down the 
list that and played in three 

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weeks, three and a half weeks 
and they hosted an Indiana team.

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That seemed like they were on a 
bit of a role seemed like, they 

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were playing decent basketball. 
And we got a very typical very 

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ugly Road game in the Big Ten, a
game that looked suspiciously 

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like most of the IU basketball 
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We've seen in the Big Ten over 
the last five years and the 

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Hoosiers end up losing the game 
by, you know, not an 

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embarrassing margin, but you 
could make Argument that any 

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loss to Penn State this year is 
a little bit embarrassing or 

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not. 
You know, I think it's some 

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narratives that came out of this
game that were valid and worth 

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talking about. 
I think there were also some 

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narratives that were kind of 
over reacting a bit to the loss.

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But let's talk about it first 
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The Hoosiers went into this 
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win. 
It was one of those games where,

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you know, coming in, at the 
beginning, you're thinking to 

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yourself. 
Well, not only is this a game 

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Indiana should win? 
It's really a game Indiana needs

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to win because of the relative 
weakness of Penn State and the 

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fact that Penn State is has been
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We didn't know how many players 
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they really haven't done a whole
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Particularly. 
Well, this year, you know, you 

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look across at Penn State's 
overall numbers and they haven't

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been embarrassing, but they've 
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They've, you know, they've 
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Has been kind of, okay. 
Just a really blah team, their 

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best wind coming into the game, 
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against Oregon State, a team 
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not going to the NCAA 
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So you would have figured this 
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to win, because there aren't a 
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winnable on paper games in the 
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Indiana really came out and 
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It never looked like they had 
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the defense wasn't good enough 
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You know, Scott, it was a 
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certainly a frustrating one. 
What were your overall 

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You hit a lot of them. 
I mean, it's just it sucks and 

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it's just, it is. 
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It's no fun being a fan right 
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Like I remember a year ago, 
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the Glory Days. 
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things are totally unrelated, 
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Indiana Regional sports fans. 
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football season for a lot of 
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Like someday that, you know, the
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could have one to make the 
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You have the Pacers who are just
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last second shot at all the 
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And it's like, all right. 
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Indiana, you know, beat up on 
Penn State and kind of make a As

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the sun shines, and they don't, 
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this position. 
I feel like we've been in this 

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position a lot. 
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like anything on the woods, an 
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I think it probably still make 
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but it it it sucks it. 
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We're in a spot where we're 
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Like we got to play a little bit
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Like we probably need to win the
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his against Ohio state who's a 
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beat Minnesota who is also like,
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Rat, but again, you have 
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coach who has a team, what 11? 
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Michigan? 
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see, you know, in the same day 
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State playing, you know, a lower
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then having a tough time, but 
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And then the other game was 
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same kind of thing. 
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find a way to win. 
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was multiple times. 
Indiana could have found a way 

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to win, but they didn't. 
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things like what the Penn State 
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know, with with five minutes to 
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know, and then it goes until 
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that nobody scores for like two 
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big moments of the game. 
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it again. 
It's going to be a broken record

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all season, you know point guard
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and you get to these points 
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Unable to get traced Jackson 
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the ball period or get him the 
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can score. 
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And that that is the Achilles 
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I'm not sure we're ever going to
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January and those things don't, 
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way to get that solve with the 
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We have that's a bummer but 
that's the problem you saw again

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in this game. 
You saw it in the Wisconsin gave

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you see as much in the Syracuse 
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games Wisconsin and Penn State 
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get a couple points and you're 
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You shouldn't Penn State down 
but you can't score because you 

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really can't effectively get 
your best player the bowl. 

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Yeah, I mean, I think it's more 
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is bad. 
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such a long-standing thing that 
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forgotten what good point guard 
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and yet it's you can't talk 
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also acknowledging that it's 
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And while the offense of system 
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percentage have borne that out. 
The reality is this is still not

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a team that's wired to score. 
It's still not a team, that's 

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wired to be great offensively. 
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earlier on in the season. 
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Indiana can get better over the 
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And I think that most of us are 
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the reality is, this may just be
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crippled on offense because it 
just doesn't have Personnel that

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can run offense effectively in 
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And the reality is you look at 
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Indiana basketball, and there's 
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Indiana back in play during that
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And, you know, you go back, 
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Miller era and the offense 
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problem child. 
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To try and figure out what was 
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they couldn't get over the hump,
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the defense wasn't great either 
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problem and you know, I think 
Archie Miller certainly deserves

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a lot of the blame there but as 
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to Archie as far as the 
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felt very Cro-Magnon in a lot of
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Like it was just a very it was 
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A lot of the blame I think for 
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It has to be on the players that
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that is the core of the team 
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now. 
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Trace Jackson, Davis has 
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year. 
I think as an overall offensive 

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weapon, but you still have the 
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He doesn't have a lot of range. 
He's constantly like the whole 

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idea of, we got to get him, the 
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We gotta get in the basketball 
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and work, and it's like, well, 
you know what? 

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That's a flaw in the system 
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output, of course, teams are 
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And if you don't have something 
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down, you got some issues. 
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that there's two different ways.
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output from that Penn State 
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You can blame Mike Woodson for 
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And, you know, certainly, I 
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growing pains with Woodson. 
And maybe Woodson felt like 

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players, we're going to grasp 
what he wanted to do and work 

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things out. 
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you also have to look at the 
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that a lot of these players as 
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And as much as we respect them 
as players that put on the 

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Indiana uniform just aren't able
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offensive end in a way that's 
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impressive in a lot of these 
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win games, but you're going to 
get games like this, where 

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everything just fails and 
Indiana comes up short and this 

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is the DNA of Indiana. 
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This is the DNA that Tom crean 
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tenure and Archie Miller 
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of his tenure. 
So you can blame Mike, Woodson 

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certainly for not doing more 
with what he's got. 

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But I think you also have to 
look at the players that are on 

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this team right now, you know, 
least the ones that have been 

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around for a while, because I 
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you can't hold quite as 
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And say, this is pretty much a 
continuation of what we saw last

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year in the idea that a 
coaching. 

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In change was going to wave a 
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that to go away was probably a 
bit overly optimistic. 

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If not outright naive. 
Yeah. 

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And you know, to talk about the 
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about point guard, play between 
Xavier Johnson and finishing all

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that, but I will set you as, you
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been awesome and he's very good.
I'm very happy. 

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He's here, but this is kind of 
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beginning of the Season, kind of
joking that he needs. 

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I love to see you. 
Take two or three threes a game.

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It wasn't so much taking threes.
It's just to your point. 

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He's very limited in. 
Like you have to get him the 

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ball in certain spots, and then 
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defense to double. 
If I don't know, if it's on 

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coaching or on him, but I wish I
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some, of these early games. 
Some offensive possessions were 

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traced takes the ball at the top
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maybe there's a shooter three, 
but like try and break someone 

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down on the dribble or you try 
and dribble drive and see what 

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happens. 
You'll Race Thompson's done some

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of that. 
That, but we haven't seen any of

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that from Jackson Davis. 
And that to me, is part of the 

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problem of this team is, you 
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it's like. 
All right, we have two minutes 

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to go. 
I don't want Xavier Johnson 

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running the show right now. 
I want to get the ball in the 

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you. 
I want to get traced Jackson 

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Davis the ball, even if he gets 
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the basket. 
I'd love for him to be able to 

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try and do something or just see
it again. 

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Maybe not in Big Ten play, but I
wish you would have seen it at 

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some point but now it's too late
and so to your point he didn't 

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have the most effective game, 
but that that is where I It, you

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know, Trace that if he did take 
a three, I was thinking of that,

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like, in the last shot was a 
three other. 

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This would be a great making 
your first three as a Hoosier to

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at least send the Penn State 
game to overtime, but I don't 

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know. 
So, I think that needs to be 

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looked at like, you just I think
this is going to be something 

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that is going to hamper this 
team because it you mentioned 

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the Archie are like that was 
the, you know, Devonte, green 

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drove, people nuts, but at times
it was like, well, at least he's

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doing something click, at least 
he's That's kind of what you get

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with the Xavier Johnson versus 
fantasy. 

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A fantasy is very controlling, 
but nothing seems to happen and 

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then you get Xavier Johnson, 
which is kind of like frenetic. 

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But at least things happen. 
I don't know if I totally agree 

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with that but I think I disagree
with a lot of it but the but 

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I'll but here's why you don't 
want to race tracks. 

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In Davis, handling the ball 25 
feet from the basket because 

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he's not a natural ball handler 
and he also hasn't really shown 

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an ability to pass more than 
about four feet in any 

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direction. 
If he's got the ball at the top 

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of the key, where is it going 
after that? 

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Because if he's just taking it 
and driving it, that'll work for

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one play, and then everybody 
will collapse on him and he 

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won't be able to get the ball 
anywhere. 

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The problem for me. 
Is that just real quick? 

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I'm saying, like as he stands 
now, I agree. 

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But what I'm saying is like, I 
wish you would have come into 

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this season. 
Yeah, I'm making some of those 

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skills were. 
It's like, I just don't think 

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it's part of his repertoire. 
Don't think it's, I mean, it 

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might, it might be when he's a 
pro, but I just don't, I mean, 

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even if he had worked on that 
aspect of his game, all All 

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summer. 
He wouldn't have been able to do

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the array of things. 
He's doing in the post right 

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now. 
I guess is my thought process. 

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So you take a lot off the table 
to gain like C- to see skills in

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that area. 
The the other thing though, and 

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then to me, this is the much 
larger issue, regardless of 

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who's handling. 
The ball, is that the the 

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Indiana offense has kind of 
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the Season. 
It felt like at the beginning of

446
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,900
the year. 
You had better spacing, you had 

447
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:49,300
players. 
You know, getting into position 

448
00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:54,200
to take shots from outside and 
and those shots were more likely

449
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,800
to go in. 
You know, it's weird to me 

450
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,300
because you look at the people 
who should be shooting the 

451
00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:04,700
basketball and you have players 
like, for instance, Parker 

452
00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:06,800
Stewart, who's hitting forty, 
seven and a half percent of his 

453
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,600
threes. 
He's 57 in the country right now

454
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,000
and yet he barely shoots. 
Yeah. 

455
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,400
I mean, I was shot more threes 
than the rest of his teammates 

456
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,300
have certainly. 
But for a guy who shoots 

457
00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:21,200
Shooting at that level. 
You would think that there would

458
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,400
be a greater effort to get him 
some volume in terms of the 

459
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,700
shots. 
But I mean, you look over the 

460
00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:28,000
course of four shots against 
Penn State. 

461
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,000
Yeah, and and you know, and if 
you just take threes, he took to

462
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,300
against Penn State to against 
Northern Kentucky for against 

463
00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:38,900
Notre Dame and he have three of 
them and two against Merrimack, 

464
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,700
you know, it's so it's almost 
like that Wisconsin game. 

465
00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:46,300
He was on this stretch. 
Where, from Louisiana to 

466
00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:48,200
Wisconsin. 
He took five. 

467
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,100
He's 53 is 5. 3 is 12 3 6 3 + 5 
3 S and it's like in the last 

468
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:56,600
four games his outside shooting 
as just disappeared. 

469
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,900
And I don't think it's because, 
you know, part of it might be 

470
00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:03,800
the offense, but part of it is 
you got to take shots when the 

471
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,200
ball is passed to you or you've 
got to be able to quickly 

472
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,000
redistribute the ball. 
Because if you're not open, it 

473
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,500
means somebody's probably over 
playing you based upon where the

474
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:15,100
ball can be inside. 
Meanwhile, you've got Miller 

475
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:16,600
cop. 
Well, so it's real quick. 

476
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,200
Your son Parker. 
It's like heat again. 

477
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,500
I'm not only me feel like he's, 
he has a hard time creating off 

478
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:24,300
the dribble as well. 
So he's a great catch and shoot 

479
00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:26,600
guy and I but I think the book 
might be out on him. 

480
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,700
It's like, I just play him 
Titan. 

481
00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:29,800
Can't really drive. 
And it's like, again, you have 

482
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,200
all these pieces that are kind 
of good at one thing, but 

483
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,000
they're Limited in other areas 
and it makes it tough that like 

484
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000
parkour, can't drive and get his
own shot. 

485
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,700
But see, I don't, that weird 
thing is, is in the one year 

486
00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:41,000
that he was at, Tennessee 
Martin. 

487
00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:45,100
He used, he took up twenty eight
and a half percent of 

488
00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:49,000
possessions, which is a lot like
that was about 100 in the 

489
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,800
country that year this year. 
He's taking up 12.6% of 

490
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,200
possessions. 
He's just not I mean, he's just 

491
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,300
not he's got a very limited 
usage rate and it's very, very 

492
00:23:59,300 --> 00:24:04,400
confusing because he's shown the
ability to score, and you would 

493
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,900
think that if Tennessee, 
Martin's offense, could get him 

494
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:10,600
open enough to take that many 
shots and utilize that many 

495
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,300
possessions that somehow that 
would work its way into what 

496
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:15,200
Indiana is doing. 
Now. 

497
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,100
I think a lot of that is the 
point guards, and I think that 

498
00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:20,300
the point guards in the way that
they're playing, and they both 

499
00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:24,400
present particular problems. 
Xavier Johnson can have great 

500
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,600
Court Vision, but then he can 
also have possessions where he 

501
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,100
doesn't look at anybody else on 
the floor. 

502
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:31,700
Except race Jackson Davis. 
If, if he even looks at Tres 

503
00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:33,700
Jackson Davis, sometimes he just
looks at the basket. 

504
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:36,100
It says, I'm going to run 
towards that thing with the bowl

505
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,500
and we'll see what happens. 
Rob fennessy. 

506
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:41,100
Kinda has the opposite issue 
were robbed overthinks 

507
00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:42,600
everything. 
A lot of times when Parker 

508
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,900
Stewart has been open or Miller 
copper whoever in the perimeters

509
00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:47,400
been open. 
The ball doesn't get there in 

510
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,200
time. 
And so then they're no longer 

511
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,100
open and the offense stagnates. 
As we've seen it, do the last 

512
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:56,000
few years. 
And so, you know, when I look at

513
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,900
Stewart, when I look at Miller 
cop who again is shooting 40% 

514
00:24:59,900 --> 00:25:02,900
from three. 
But is not using that many 

515
00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:05,700
possessions cop isn't as big of 
a surprise, because even though 

516
00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:10,300
cop was a cop's having from an 
offensive rating perspective, 

517
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:11,700
his best to testicles. 
Season. 

518
00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:14,400
But he's also using fewer 
possessions. 

519
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:16,500
He's not shooting as well from 
to. 

520
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,200
And, you know, he's he's out 
there and sometimes he makes 

521
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,800
plays, but I'm always surprised 
when Miller cop makes a play, 

522
00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:28,100
because it feels like he's so 
far in the background, like 

523
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:31,600
everything revolves around. 
Whoever the point guard is Tres 

524
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,300
Jackson Davis and then race 
Thompson, but only because race 

525
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:37,900
in many cases inserts himself 
into the play with hustle, which

526
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:40,200
is great. 
Now the other thing I want to 

527
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,100
touch on offense We that is 
problematic. 

528
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:46,600
So I just mentioned Parker 
Stewart, you know, needs to 

529
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,300
shoot more. 
Like he just needs to get more 

530
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,000
shots out. 
I would say, Miller cop does as 

531
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,200
well, you know, who does not 
need to be shooting as much from

532
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,000
outside. 
Despite. 

533
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,500
What commentators have said in 
the last three, basketball games

534
00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:58,300
that Mike Woodson said he wants 
to see race Thompson, needs to 

535
00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:00,400
stop shooting from three. 
Do you know why? 

536
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:02,900
Because race Thompson so far on 
the season and I love every 

537
00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:06,600
other part. 
Erases game racist, 3418 from 

538
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,800
three. 
He is shooting 16.7%, you know, 

539
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,300
we I'd love to see him have that
part of his game is something 

540
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:16,000
where you can knock a couple 
down a game. 

541
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:20,500
I don't think it's going to 
develop at this point and you 

542
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:23,800
have to yes, he hit a three 
against Penn State. 

543
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,600
Can you tell me without looking 
Scott the previous game where 

544
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,700
race Thompson? 
Hit a three point shot. 

545
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,100
Marshall. 
That's exactly right. 

546
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:35,800
That was the last time for the 
guess. 

547
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,800
That's a complete. 
Get us. 

548
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,500
But yes, it was, it was 
Marshall. 

549
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:42,200
It was the 27th of November and 
it's not like he hasn't shot a 

550
00:26:42,208 --> 00:26:46,300
huge amount since then, but the 
fact that he hasn't like made a 

551
00:26:46,308 --> 00:26:49,400
basket from three since then 
should tell us any, you look at 

552
00:26:49,408 --> 00:26:52,200
his overall numbers. 
That's just a bad percentage. 

553
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,900
He has dialed back on it a 
little bit but he, you know, 

554
00:26:55,900 --> 00:27:00,300
he's 1 for 3 in this game. 
I'm not seeing that as As being 

555
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:02,500
something that needs to 
regularly, be happening out 

556
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:04,100
there. 
I feel the same way frankly 

557
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:08,600
about, you know, some of the 
other guys shooting out there, 

558
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:12,400
you know, on occasion. 
Now, Rob fantasy has gradually 

559
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,200
climbed back into a position 
where his shooting numbers 

560
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,500
aren't like threatening worst 
all time, but he still only 

561
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:22,500
shooting 30% from to, and 31 
percent from three. 

562
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:25,900
He had some shots in that Penn 
State game and I tip my hat to 

563
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:30,900
him on that, but there's just, I
see possessions Used in an 

564
00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:33,300
inefficient manner. 
A lot of times by this team and 

565
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:37,000
earlier on in the season and 
frankly still, now, to some 

566
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,200
degree, a lot of that's come 
through turnovers just 

567
00:27:39,208 --> 00:27:43,100
carelessness with the basketball
bad passes, you know, things 

568
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:46,200
that aren't directed the way 
that they should be, but bad 

569
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,700
shots or Shots by guys, who 
shouldn't be taking them are not

570
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:52,400
much better than turnovers as 
far as I'm concerned. 

571
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,400
I mean, you lose the chance that
an offensive rebound, but you're

572
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,100
still pretty much just as likely
to have The Possession and right

573
00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:59,900
there. 
I don't know if that's fixable. 

574
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,300
Oil with this group. 
I really don't, you know, but 

575
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:05,600
it's going to be interesting 
watching this coaching staff, 

576
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,900
try to dial it back in. 
So I've got one last point, but 

577
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:12,000
I wanted to see if you had 
anything else to say on that 

578
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,000
front. 
Before I moved on. 

579
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:16,000
No, I've another point to, but 
I'll let you go. 

580
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,100
And then I'll staccato back. 
One thing. 

581
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:23,700
I will say is, you know, it's 
tough to separate the past from 

582
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:26,500
the present. 
And I think that all big problem

583
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:29,500
that a lot of people myself 
included, just even the last 

584
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:30,500
thing that I said. 
There. 

585
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:34,700
How do you parse out who this 
team is? 

586
00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:41,700
Internally versus what's the 
effect that the coaching staff 

587
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,800
and Mike Woods. 
And in particular are having on 

588
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:49,100
the team and a lot of people off
of that game yesterday were 

589
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:52,200
like, you know, different coach 
exact same results that I Tada, 

590
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:54,700
you know, I'd someone text me 
and be like, look, I don't 

591
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:56,600
understand. 
Why are you fans are so upset. 

592
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,300
It's a first-year coach. 
It's a relatively. 

593
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:03,100
You got two, three new guys in 
the starting lineup essentially 

594
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:04,800
like games. 
Like this are going to happen, 

595
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,800
especially on the Road. 
And yes, it was a Penn State 

596
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,700
team that has not played well 
and doesn't really have any 

597
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:15,600
significant wins on its record. 
But you also have to look at the

598
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,800
team as an internal mechanism 
that is essentially being 

599
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,400
reworked. 
And this is the kind of, you 

600
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,300
know, thing we talked about a 
couple of weeks ago. 

601
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:26,800
And I think I mentioned it on my
New Year's Eve podcast. 

602
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,600
Or it's like, there's going to 
be some games where Indiana 

603
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,700
plays way above their head. 
And you're like, wow, this is 

604
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:33,900
what it could be. 
Like if this team really, you 

605
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:37,800
know, dialed in and I'll play It
on the same page and then, you 

606
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,700
know, you saw that last year 
remember that game at Iowa, 

607
00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:43,500
which now, I guess, famously on 
Big Ten Network is the last Road

608
00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:46,700
game than Indiana, one of the 
conference tied up, but that 

609
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:51,400
Iowa team at the time, was 
considered to be one of the top 

610
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,000
four teams in the country and 
Indiana win and beat them by 12.

611
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,100
And I remember thinking, wow, 
look at, look at this IU team. 

612
00:29:58,100 --> 00:29:59,500
Look at what they're suddenly 
able to do. 

613
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,200
Maybe things are finally coming 
together. 

614
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,100
And then, of course, Indiana 
turned around and lost at home 

615
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:06,900
to Rutgers the next. 
Name, you know. 

616
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:10,800
That's so this is where it's 
like it's a, it's a new coach, 

617
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,400
you're going to get these wild 
swings as this coach and this 

618
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,300
these players try to dial in 
with each other. 

619
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,600
But this is also essentially 
still the DNA of this Indiana 

620
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,300
basketball team. 
And yes, you've got some new 

621
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:25,000
pieces, but the core like 
veteran pieces of this team. 

622
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,000
This is essentially the 
performances that have been 

623
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,900
turned in over the last four to 
five years. 

624
00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:32,600
So, in that sense, I don't find 
it that surprising nor do I even

625
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:38,200
find it that panic-inducing? 
Yeah, I would just say that, you

626
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,500
know, it's frustrating where it 
seems like we are always and 

627
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:45,300
don't, don't construe this into 
like Panic or anything, but it 

628
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:47,800
does seem like in other places 
first-year coaches. 

629
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,100
Are able to make a little bit of
change, like oh I see what 

630
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:52,500
they're trying to do. 
And it's it's frustrating seeing

631
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:56,200
a lot of the same issues and it 
it's like we're always the 

632
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,200
program that's like you need a 
three-year resets. 

633
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,600
Like, oh, we got to recently, 
new coach can expect anything 

634
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,900
different and like all the same 
bad, habits are all still there.

635
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:07,100
That's the Frustrating part I'll
speak for kind of some of the 

636
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:10,000
other fan base where you know, 
it's just that that's 

637
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,100
frustrating. 
It is. 

638
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:14,400
I just want to see some of the 
Improvement the other. 

639
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:17,300
The other point from this game 
that I thought was interesting, 

640
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:21,400
that is interesting. 
Maybe worrisome is, you know, I 

641
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,900
say this every beginning of the 
Season that people tend to 

642
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:28,700
unfortunately, look at like 
everybody on the team having the

643
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:31,900
best possible offseason and you 
know, their rating going from, 

644
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:35,100
you know, 84 to 97. 
And you know and say a video A 

645
00:31:35,108 --> 00:31:37,200
game parlance like everyone's 
just going to have a good 

646
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,600
offseason, the you don't see 
that and it's always funny. 

647
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,300
The beginning of the year, 
you're doing some of these 

648
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:43,300
previews of I'm guilty of this 
as well. 

649
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:44,900
You're like my God, we're so 
deep. 

650
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:47,900
Like there's so many people and 
then you get to a point where in

651
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:51,400
this game yesterday. 
We played six guys Furniture, 

652
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,000
atomo played nine minutes, Tamar
Bass played six, Leo played, 

653
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,900
five Dura played five, you go to
the Notre Dame game. 

654
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,200
You basically played, you know, 
seven guys, with Lido, playing 

655
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,400
16 minutes, you know, the 
Wisconsin game, same kind of Get

656
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,600
dressed a little bit more you 
maybe, you know, Toronto with 

657
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,500
eight, ten minutes, you have 
eight, guys, but you kind of 

658
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:12,500
have a core of six or seven and 
that's but it was really 

659
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:14,600
noticeable against Penn State, 
you five guys. 

660
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:19,800
Like and so this is I'm 
concerned, you know, Leo had 

661
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,700
some minutes and legal didn't 
have minutes that, you know, 

662
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:24,400
where are we going to solve any 
of these problems? 

663
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,200
Because it seems like this is 
the Tito in Hoosiers movie 

664
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,900
speak. 
It's like my team is on the 

665
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:33,700
floor, my team, you know, I'm 
not sure where the solutions are

666
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:36,200
going to come and I would I'd 
love to see more out of Tomorrow

667
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,000
bait, but it didn't, you know, 
six minutes. 

668
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:40,500
No points. 
You're going to have games like 

669
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:43,200
that for freshmen to. 
But I would just say that's the 

670
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,400
frustrating part is it always 
feels like we're always in the 

671
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,900
spot where not you but it's like
just being told like well, hey, 

672
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:53,000
it's a first-year coach, you 
know, these are problems as like

673
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,300
but you look around like other 
teams, you know, Chris holtmann 

674
00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:58,000
at Ohio State. 
Just I know he took over. 

675
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000
It's like everything is always 
different but so he took over 

676
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,100
his first year and like things 
just changed. 

677
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:04,500
I just I wish we could see 
little bit more Improvement on 

678
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,300
some of the issues. 
Is that we had for the previous 

679
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:07,900
four years. 
Well, but I that again, I think 

680
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:13,300
the problem is you've, you know,
coach that IU has hired 

681
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,100
literally since well brilli 
ever. 

682
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,100
Maybe I think the last, I think 
the last coach that really took 

683
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:26,600
over a fully stocked Indiana 
program and was able to do 

684
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,100
things effectively with it was 
probably Branch McCracken who 

685
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:32,100
took over for Everdeen and that 
was 1938. 

686
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,300
I mean it This is the problem. 
Like, people forget this bob 

687
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:43,000
Knight took over a program that 
was in complete decays repair. 

688
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:47,400
Mike Davis, took over a really 
well stocked program. 

689
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,200
I guess maybe he was the last 
one. 

690
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,500
People didn't think it was well 
stocked, but the core of that 

691
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,100
team, you know, was a four seed 
that year in the tournament and 

692
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:58,000
then made the national title 
game the next year. 

693
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:00,600
But Calvin, Samson certainly 
didn't take over that 

694
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,500
well-stocked of a roster, you 
know, Tom crane took over no 

695
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:07,800
roster. 
Archie, Miller took over a 

696
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,600
roster that had been so horrific
lie. 

697
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,000
Recruited that a guy got bounced
from his job a year after 

698
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,199
winning the Big Ten title. 
And Mike Woodson is taking over 

699
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,900
for an Archie Miller team that 
didn't make the NCAA tournament 

700
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,000
in for, you know, where three of
the four years and barely would 

701
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,800
have made it in the fourth year.
So, you know, I think the 

702
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,900
problem is you look at because I
know what you're talking about 

703
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,000
and everybody's like, well, why 
does it take so long? 

704
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,699
It's because frankly Indiana 
hasn't had the Graham building 

705
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:38,500
that you've needed to be 
successful over the course of 

706
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,699
really the last couple of 
decades, you know, Chris 

707
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:43,600
holtmann takes over from Thad 
Matta. 

708
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:47,600
And yes, that was a 
disappointing last year for 

709
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,699
model, but that was still a 
really well-built program. 

710
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,100
You know, you look at Michigan. 
It wasn't like Juwan, Howard 

711
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:57,200
came in and took over from from 
Tommy Amaker. 

712
00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:59,900
He came in and took over from 
John beilein who had been 

713
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:02,100
incredibly successful during his
time there. 

714
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,300
So I think for a lot of the 
programs that Hannah looks at an

715
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:08,500
Indiana fans, want to say, well,
why can't they be us? 

716
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:13,300
It's because a lot of shortcuts 
have been taken in or just bad 

717
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:14,900
decisions. 
Have been made in terms of 

718
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:17,700
recruits, in terms of the way 
things have been structured 

719
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,400
inbuilt. 
I'm not necessarily saying that 

720
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,200
Mike Woodson's the answer on 
that front, but we're that's a 

721
00:35:23,207 --> 00:35:24,800
different thing. 
Like in three or four years. 

722
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,000
We can judge how Woodson built 
the program, but I think 

723
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,100
expecting Woodson to come in 
snap his fingers and have the 

724
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:34,900
kind of turnaround success that 
people wanted to see. 

725
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,200
See as much as I was hoping that
was going to be the case. 

726
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,300
I don't think it's the case and 
you know that said I think 

727
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:44,600
Woodson's actually gotten a lot 
better defensive performances 

728
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,700
overall out of this Indiana 
team. 

729
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,600
They were actually pretty good 
on defense and that Penn State 

730
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,200
game Penn State was hitting some
shots that are not going to go 

731
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,600
in for them in most other games 
this year. 

732
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,800
And with all that are some wild 
three, you know, they barely 

733
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,300
average to point per possession,
even with those shots going in, 

734
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:04,500
I mean, Indiana, they did 
default back to their defense 

735
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:06,200
and it almost Won the game for 
them. 

736
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:08,700
It was their offense. 
That's the issue but that's been

737
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:12,100
the issue across the board. 
And so, you know, look, I think 

738
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,500
people people are very 
frustrated. 

739
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,500
I get that and I'm look 
certainly was frustrated with 

740
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:22,800
the outcome of the game, but I 
also not surprised by the 

741
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,400
outcome of the game because I 
think it's just going to be a 

742
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,900
bumpy road as we go through this
season. 

743
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:31,700
And I still think even with that
bumpy road if this team can 

744
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:34,800
figure out how to limit the 
mistakes that they're making, 

745
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,800
and then figure out how to play 
offense. 

746
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,700
Effectively again, they've still
got a chance at winning 12 games

747
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:42,200
in conference. 
Like I still don't think that 

748
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,700
that's gone in. 
They were even with the loss to 

749
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:44,400
Penn State. 
Yeah. 

750
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,300
That's a, that's a road when you
would have liked to have had. 

751
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,800
So it means you win won another 
game at home or you nip somebody

752
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,700
on the road that maybe you 
weren't expecting to. 

753
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:58,000
So, you know, look, it's it's 
not to excuse the loss. 

754
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,300
But we tend to forget that these
kinds of losses happen in pretty

755
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:05,800
much every season like even 
during the good Years under 

756
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,300
night and, and crane, you'd have
these head-scratching games 

757
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:11,100
where you like? 
I don't understand why the team 

758
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:12,200
played like crap. 
Today. 

759
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,500
Does that mean that something's 
wrong, and a lot of times it 

760
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:17,200
just means they came out and 
played like crap that day. 

761
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,600
And there's not there's not a 
larger meaning to it other than 

762
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:25,600
they're not talented enough to, 
you know, be able to overcome 

763
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,300
the bad days simply by the fact 
that they're so talented. 

764
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:31,500
And you know, the one thing I 
will say and again, I don't 

765
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:33,500
think this is something that 
Woodson can change. 

766
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:40,500
There's just this team. 
Still lacks a controlled. 

767
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:44,900
Killer Instinct to go in and try
to grab games. 

768
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:48,700
I mean, I will say they fell 
behind by 9 with about what 10 

769
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,200
minutes to go in the second 
half. 

770
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,500
And you were like, well, this is
it. 

771
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:54,800
This team is not going to come 
back and they did come back at 

772
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,500
that point, but they couldn't 
finish the game off. 

773
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:58,300
It's very similar to what 
happened at the Syracuse game. 

774
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:00,500
Now, last year. 
I don't even know if the team 

775
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:03,900
comes back even to that level 
like not even to get close 

776
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,300
enough to lose it at the end. 
But this team really has a 

777
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:10,700
mentality issue where they still
don't look like they belong. 

778
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:14,300
Believe in themselves, and they 
don't believe that they should 

779
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:16,400
be able to take control of a 
game and win. 

780
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:19,100
I don't know how you fix that 
other than bringing in players 

781
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:21,200
that do have that mentality. 
But that was one of the big 

782
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,200
things that seem to be missing 
from our cheese era. 

783
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:25,300
And those are largely, the 
players that you're seeing on 

784
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:27,000
the floor right now for Indiana.
Still. 

785
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,300
No II. 
Completely agree with that. 

786
00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:32,600
There are these moments in the 
game you could feel or Penn 

787
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,400
State went on that run where 
it's like, oh, they're they're 

788
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,200
they're trying to win this game.
Like they're there. 

789
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:40,500
This is the time you got to do 
something and we don't do it. 

790
00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:44,900
Here, all you said what concerns
me that everything you said is 

791
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:48,400
valid, but what concerns me is 
like, you know, quoting the very

792
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,800
relevant, quote, quoting Yogi, 
Berra. 

793
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,800
Look, it gets really gets late, 
really quick. 

794
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,200
Now, you know, you got to almost
go 1 and 1 or 2 and 0 against 

795
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,800
Ohio State and soda at home 
because then you have two Road 

796
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,900
games against Iowa, Nebraska and
then your home for Purdue in 

797
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:05,500
Michigan and then your home for 
Penn State, a team. 

798
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,800
You did just lose to that, you 
think you should win at home, 

799
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,600
but I thought we'd win at Penn 
State, so it the road. 

800
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:13,300
Ed gets tightened by the way, 
the back half of the Big Ten 

801
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:15,300
schedule is also not like super 
easy. 

802
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:19,700
So, that that's, that is where I
am concerned is, you know, 

803
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,100
you've got to, you gotta now, 
make some hay and you're right. 

804
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:26,000
You can pick some of these games
off, but you kind of got to do 

805
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000
it on Thursday and Sunday, like,
it's like, it's yeah, I kind of 

806
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,400
turn around and do it sooner 
rather than later, because you 

807
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,700
can't, you can't lose your next 
three games. 

808
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:36,700
And then when Nebraska, and then
lose Purdue Michigan me, there's

809
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:39,400
there's a tough road ahead. 
If you can't start picking some 

810
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:45,000
of those games off, like, Now 
before January 23rd, well, maybe

811
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,300
I don't know. 
I look, I feel like every year 

812
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:52,100
we analyze the schedule and then
we're completely wrong at the 

813
00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:55,300
end of the year and we never 
acknowledge it because we don't 

814
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:57,600
go back and talk about what we 
were really wrong about that 

815
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,000
stretch. 
I mean, last year. 

816
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,200
We, you know, I think a lot of 
people thought, well, then, you 

817
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,200
know, the schedules kind of, 
it's a little bit easier down 

818
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,700
the stretch, especially since 
Michigan state was so bad last 

819
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,900
year. 
And, you know, you had Anyway, 

820
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:14,900
you lost both games to Michigan 
State, down the stretch last 

821
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:18,400
year and you almost lost to 
Northwestern last year. 

822
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,400
You know, I'd go to double 
overtime to beat them in 

823
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,100
Evanston. 
Like there's there's a there's a

824
00:40:23,107 --> 00:40:25,300
bunch of different. 
No one expected, Indiana to 

825
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:28,300
sweep who Iowa last year and yet
they did. 

826
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:33,700
Yeah, and so I hear what you're 
saying and I think ultimately 

827
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,700
the big issue for Indiana right 
now is they need to pick up some

828
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:39,900
Road wins? 
Preferably against teams that 

829
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:44,300
are relatively Good, not great 
necessarily, but I mean but a 

830
00:40:44,308 --> 00:40:46,800
teams that that you know, Penn 
State, frankly fell into this 

831
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,400
category, like the tier two 
teams or things like that and 

832
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,100
you know, you've got some of 
those left on the schedule. 

833
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:53,300
So it's not the end of the 
world. 

834
00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:58,800
I mean Nebraska they have to win
that but you know, Maryland on 

835
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,900
the road that's a game that they
probably need to win the game at

836
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:05,300
Northwestern the game, you know,
the app Minnesota like those 

837
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:08,800
three right there, give you 
opportunities to pick up the 

838
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,500
kind of Road wins that just 
helped stabilize. 

839
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:15,200
Belies. 
Your, your, your resume for the 

840
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,800
postseason and that's where the 
Penn State lost to me hurts the 

841
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,600
most, but it's not like the 
committee is not going to look 

842
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,600
at that loss and say, will you 
lost a Penn State? 

843
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,500
That's a bad loss. 
That's not just, that's not how 

844
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:27,200
the committee works on these 
things. 

845
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,400
It's it's a marginal top hundred
team and you lost to them on the

846
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,500
road. 
Well, guess what? 

847
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:35,300
That's what most teams do. 
Against top hundred teams on the

848
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:38,500
road. 
So I'm with you, they need to 

849
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,500
win games against Superior 
competition. 

850
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,000
But I think a lot of 
opportunities to do that if they

851
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,400
knock off the bat offense and 
and they start figuring out ways

852
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,300
to score and be effective. 
By the way, while we're taping 

853
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:55,500
this, we've got Wisconsin and 
Purdue playing watching this. 

854
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:59,100
Yeah, and I'm wondering like if 
you're choosing to root for 

855
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:02,800
either, Purdue or Brad Davidson,
like, that's basically, like, 

856
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,300
how do you make that decision? 
That's, that's like the Sophie's

857
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:09,300
choice of bad things to root 
for, is it not? 

858
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,300
Like, who you leave behind 
there? 

859
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:15,700
I know. 
Wisconsin right now with the 

860
00:42:15,707 --> 00:42:18,800
minutes when he left is up five 
at Purdue, which is I guess kind

861
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,800
of proving my point to some 
degree. 

862
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:23,100
I don't think a lot of people 
were looking at this Wisconsin 

863
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:25,500
team and saying, yeah, they're 
going to go in and knock off 

864
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:29,100
this top five Purdue team in 
Mackey Arena. 

865
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:31,900
So the you're going to get games
like this. 

866
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:33,800
And you mentioned, the Ohio, 
State game on the road. 

867
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,800
You mentioned the Michigan State
game on the road. 

868
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,000
And yeah, those teams were able 
to take care of business at the 

869
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,400
end, but they've Easily could 
not have you're going to get 

870
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,600
these back before? 
They did what they did know and 

871
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,100
and there's no question that 
they have DNA that says we win 

872
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:51,300
these games and Indiana doesn't 
at this point, but that is a 

873
00:42:51,308 --> 00:42:56,100
player thing with the coach and 
right now we don't know about 

874
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,900
the coach, but we do know about 
the players for Indiana because 

875
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:01,200
we just haven't seen enough 
evidence that they can win those

876
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,500
games regularly. 
And I hope that changes but 

877
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:07,200
thus, far we haven't seen it 
with what you seen thus far and 

878
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,300
where we sit to you as making 
the NCAA. 

879
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,600
Tournament still the goal. 
Yeah. 

880
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,000
Well, of course, the still the 
goal and it should be. 

881
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,100
That should be your Baseline 
expectation. 

882
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:19,000
I think not making the NCAA 
tournament. 

883
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:23,600
This year should be considered 
to be a really bad thing. 

884
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,600
Now. 
I don't think it's it's by no 

885
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,400
means a. 
Well. 

886
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,900
The Mike Woodson higher was a 
mistake if they don't win the 

887
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:31,400
NCAA. 
Because again, I think, as I've 

888
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,600
said, the first year coach with 
this particular group of players

889
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:38,300
who has not shown an ability to 
get to the NCAA tournament at 

890
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:41,300
all. 
At least not more than just the 

891
00:43:41,308 --> 00:43:43,100
fringes and we still don't know 
for sure. 

892
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:47,800
If that actually would have 
happened that, you know, it just

893
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,300
to me, it would just demonstrate
that there was a larger hole 

894
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:55,100
that had to be dug out of with 
this Indiana basketball program 

895
00:43:55,700 --> 00:44:00,300
that, you know, wasn't at the 
level necessarily of of when Tom

896
00:44:00,300 --> 00:44:03,000
crane took over or even when 
Archie Miller took over, but 

897
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,200
there was still a hole to dig 
out of yeah. 

898
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,500
Anyway, speaking of the NCAA 
tournament. 

899
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:08,900
It's time to go inside the 
numbers. 

900
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,100
And look at Indiana's, NCAA 
tournament set up right now and 

901
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:15,800
what they need to be thinking 
about and just a reminder that 

902
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,200
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numbers for college sports or 

903
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,200
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904
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,900
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905
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Look at how stuff works and it 

906
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907
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908
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If you're into that kind of 
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909
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,300
I know you are as well. 
Preview is great. 

910
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:38,300
Yeah, it's both. 
We did. 

911
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:39,700
You did it work out for you at 
all. 

912
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,700
It did I? 
Well, it's virtually being out 

913
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:44,400
of town for a little bit. 
It was, it was more my 

914
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,000
scheduling. 
But yeah, a lot of his picks 

915
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,800
were dead-on and he helped me on
the other two national 

916
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,300
championship games. 
Or semifinals. 

917
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:51,200
That's good. 
Pretty easy. 

918
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:53,700
It was a tough one this year 
because a covid, but no, add to 

919
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:56,200
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You can check out the power 

920
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921
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,400
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They are go to the power 

922
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923
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,900
need. 
Again, the power rank.com., And 

924
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:13,400
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925
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926
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,100
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We we did enjoy having you check

927
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:20,400
them out. 
We've certainly enjoyed it. 

928
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,700
It was we've looked at it 
throughout the course of the 

929
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:24,500
year for both football and for 
basketball. 

930
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:29,000
So let's talk about Indiana's 
tournament status right now. 

931
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,400
Obviously, you want to go check 
out a me bottoms and is bracket 

932
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:35,200
analysis. 
He does a great job. 

933
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,600
He's one of the top bracket 
ologists coached on Sony and his

934
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,400
group up, but at Delphi High 
School, do a great job every 

935
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,500
year, you want to check them out
at Delphi Bracketology. 

936
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,200
They're going to give you in the
moment projections, because 

937
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,200
that's how Bracketology works. 
And I can tell you, you know, 

938
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,900
you look at the bracket Matrix 
right now, Indiana at least 

939
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:59,100
going into this year is, or this
year. 

940
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:03,900
This week was rated somewhere in
the 9:51 seed range. 

941
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,500
They, if you look at the, the 
collaborative bracket at the 

942
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:10,900
highest seat. 
I've seen the mat as a X, the 

943
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:13,900
lowest have seen the mat is not 
in the tournament but by and 

944
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:18,400
large, I'm seeing them around a 
9 or 10, maybe in 11 and that 

945
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,700
sounds about right. 
Indiana. 

946
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:24,700
Right now on the season with one
win away from Assembly Hall. 

947
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:28,800
Of course, that being the 
victory against Notre Dame, and 

948
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,200
while that's not the most 
impressive win. 

949
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,300
It's still a win away from home 
and will probably help them 

950
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:37,800
overall, in terms of their 
resume down the line. 

951
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:41,900
And, you know, On that you've 
got a home win against st. 

952
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:44,700
John's that's probably not going
to count for a huge amount as 

953
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:48,100
you get into the regular season 
here of the Big Ten. 

954
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,300
There's going to be a lot of 
opportunities for Indiana to 

955
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:52,400
pick up victories and where 
Indiana is really going to need 

956
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,600
to focus on is again picking up 
Road and neutral Court wins 

957
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,100
because ultimately when you 
think about the NCAA selection 

958
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:04,600
committee, that is one of the 
primary things that they focus 

959
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,100
on along with certainly Power 
Rankings and things like that, 

960
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,500
on the power ranking front. 
Still doing fairly. 

961
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:15,000
Well, you know, in can pom, they
are 30. 

962
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,200
Second right now, in Bart 
torvik. 

963
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:23,900
They're still 24th. 
And its overall, I think a 

964
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:29,300
pretty good setup for Indiana as
you go into into the the stretch

965
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:33,400
of Big Ten Play. 
Because ultimately, what you're 

966
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,300
trying to do is keep those power
ranking somewhere in that 

967
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:39,400
somewhere in the 40, or above 
range because that is 

968
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,800
essentially, Where most of the 
at largest come from and then 

969
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,600
give the committee, some things 
that they can look at that where

970
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,600
they can say. 
Oh, yeah. 

971
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,400
This team is actually picked up 
some wins away from home because

972
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,800
as the way they look at it you 
have to win games away from 

973
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,400
home. 
If you're going to be successful

974
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,100
in the NCAA tournament. 
Now one of those metrics, we do 

975
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:02,400
know that the NCAA committee 
looks at his BPI Indiana's 36th 

976
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,200
right now in be Pi, which is 
that's ESPN's measure. 

977
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,200
These are still measures that 
are Be kind of dialing 

978
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,600
themselves into shape, but 
overall Indiana still in good 

979
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:15,200
shape. 
Despite. 

980
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,400
What happened at Penn State, 
they're going to need to pick up

981
00:48:17,408 --> 00:48:19,100
some wins and we named a few of 
the games. 

982
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,100
That would be the most likely 
candidates. 

983
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:25,000
But if they can marry those 
winds with enough wins at home, 

984
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,000
where they can get to that 10, 
11 12 win range in conference 

985
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,800
before they get to the Big Ten 
Tournament. 

986
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,900
They should be just fine. 
You know, if you're at, if 

987
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:37,100
you're below 10 still not the 
end of the world, but you're 

988
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:38,900
going to have to have 
demonstrated at that point that 

989
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:41,400
you can win. 
Couple of games away from home, 

990
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,800
maybe even again slightly better
competition than the names that 

991
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,500
I threw out there earlier on. 
Yeah. 

992
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:50,000
I mean that's the trouble is you
said, you know, neutral site 

993
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,800
victories that would imply 
winning Big Ten tournament games

994
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,400
which, you know, we haven't 
haven't been able to do and it'd

995
00:48:56,408 --> 00:48:59,500
be really nice. 
You know, I think we're going to

996
00:48:59,508 --> 00:49:03,000
get out of playing on, you know,
whatever Wednesday but it would 

997
00:49:03,008 --> 00:49:05,800
be nice to have a protected a 
so-called protected seed on 

998
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,900
Thursday, where you're, you 
know, in the 5 or the 6 range, 

999
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,200
so too. 
Like that's where you'd like to 

1000
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,500
get for the Big, Ten Tournament.
Yeah, it's, I will say I'm 

1001
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:18,400
frustrated and I'm looking ahead
and I'm nervous or what I see. 

1002
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,200
But this is the good and the bad
of playing in the Big Ten. 

1003
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,900
If you're gonna have a lot of 
opportunities to get a lot of 

1004
00:49:22,908 --> 00:49:24,800
scalps. 
There's just a lot of games. 

1005
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,000
And even if you hold serve at 
home, maybe lose one of the 

1006
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,700
Purdue Michigan games, but you 
hold serve the rest of the way. 

1007
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,400
That's probably going to be 
enough because you're going to 

1008
00:49:35,408 --> 00:49:39,200
get some pretty big win, but 
Stanley Hall and you'll be like,

1009
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,800
you know, Nebraska And you know 
Northwestern like you got to win

1010
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,300
a couple of those garbage Road 
games like the Penn State which 

1011
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:47,600
I thought was on that list, but 
you got to win those games, but,

1012
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,300
you know, I'm not saying you got
to win at Purdue but as long as 

1013
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:53,300
you kind of hold serve against, 
let's say Northwestern and 

1014
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:55,600
Nebraska on the road and then 
you went all. 

1015
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,600
But one at home. 
That's probably enough to still 

1016
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,400
make the tournament. 
If you can bang out, you know, 

1017
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,200
one good game in the Big Ten 
tournament. 

1018
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,300
That, that's the nice thing 
always about playing in the Big 

1019
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:07,300
Ten is. 
It's a tough road, but like you 

1020
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:08,900
said, teams kind of ebb and 
flow. 

1021
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,200
Yeah, it teams it. 
Four times and you know, you're 

1022
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,900
going to end the season. 
It's funny that they're showing 

1023
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:16,500
all those replays of the Iowa 
game. 

1024
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:19,500
I kind of maybe blocked out most
of last year. 

1025
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:21,400
It's like, oh, yeah, that team 
last year that really annoyed. 

1026
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,900
Me beat a top four. 
Team on the road. 

1027
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:26,600
Yeah, like it's like one of the 
best teams the country with 

1028
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,400
maybe one of the best players 
the country, they beaten by 12 

1029
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,200
and so it's, it is funny looking
back at that. 

1030
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,600
You're good at you said you're 
going to have some of those 

1031
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,300
wins. 
It just you know, it's it's it's

1032
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,100
going to come up quick and your 
Before, you know, it in three 

1033
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:43,600
weeks, we're going to have, you 
know, six or seven more games 

1034
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,900
under our belt. 
The the other thing to note, the

1035
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:50,900
NCAA and I haven't even noticed.
I haven't quoted the net, which 

1036
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:53,600
is of course what the NCAA uses 
internally. 

1037
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:55,600
It's interesting. 
You mentioned the loss to Penn 

1038
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,800
State because that dropped 
Indiana and the net from 42 to 

1039
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,300
49. 
The bit, the other big thing, 

1040
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:01,700
besides the road, a neutral 
games. 

1041
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:03,800
And the reason I haven't 
mentioned it here is because it 

1042
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,600
really matter that much. 
But wins again Squad 1 quad to 

1043
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,900
opponents right now, Indiana's 0
and 1 again Squad. 

1044
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,900
And to, again Squad to Alder 
wins have come again, Squad, 3, 

1045
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:16,700
and quad 4, which are obviously 
the lowest to. 

1046
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,000
But any, as gonna have plenty of
opportunities to pick up quad 

1047
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,900
one and quad quad key victories 
in conference play and they're 

1048
00:51:21,908 --> 00:51:23,300
going to have to do that mind 
you. 

1049
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:29,000
But if you win, you know, you 
figure that if you get to 11 or 

1050
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,400
12 wins in conference, that's an
additional ten or eleven games. 

1051
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:36,400
And I would say of those 
probably eight of them are going

1052
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,200
to be again Squad 1 or quad two 
teams, which is going to be more

1053
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,800
than enough. 
For Indiana and you know, if 

1054
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,000
you're, if you're thinking, well
gosh, that's just not that many 

1055
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:47,100
wins again Squad 1 or quatuor. 
There's hardly any there. 

1056
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:50,000
There's very few teams that have
more than three. 

1057
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,100
In fact, the only teams I think 
right now that have more than 

1058
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:56,500
three quad won victories total 
Michigan State's got four 

1059
00:51:56,500 --> 00:52:01,300
because, of course, they do, and
Providence has for, you know, 

1060
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:04,900
so, you're just, this is not a 
category that most teams have 

1061
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,200
any wins in at this time of 
year. 

1062
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,400
And I think a lot of IU fans, 
tend to just look in Micro at 

1063
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,400
the team's situation and they 
think to themselves. 

1064
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,400
Well, gosh, how terrible do we 
look? 

1065
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,100
We certainly don't have any 
chance of getting to the 

1066
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:20,900
tournament? 
I saw a lot of that. 

1067
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:22,500
It's like this team isn't going 
to the tournament his loss to 

1068
00:52:22,500 --> 00:52:23,500
Penn State. 
That's not the way that it 

1069
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:24,500
works. 
Yeah. 

1070
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,600
Now if the team is 2 and 7 in 
the Big Ten a month from now and

1071
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,800
they still don't have any quad 
one or quad two victories. 

1072
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,800
Let's talk at that point. 
But as of now, I would say tap 

1073
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,300
the brakes. 
I think Indiana still in pretty 

1074
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:38,400
good shape overall. 
They certainly have to play 

1075
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,600
better as they move forward. 
Word, but even with that 

1076
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,600
setback, I don't think it did 
too much damage to them. 

1077
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,500
Anyway, that's a look at the 
NCAA set up right now for 

1078
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:49,200
Indiana. 
We'll see how it plays out. 

1079
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,500
So there's eight games between 
now and a month from now Gap. 

1080
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:57,100
Where do you think we sit in the
Big Ten a month from now? 

1081
00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:07,600
Well, I would say, Are, you 
know, I think Indiana honestly, 

1082
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,200
could probably be. 
Let's say, seven and four. 

1083
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,600
I don't know where that would 
land them necessarily in terms 

1084
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,700
of standings, but I think, I 
think seven and four or even 

1085
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:21,200
eight and three is still very 
much on the table for this team 

1086
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,500
in conference. 
That's a lot. 

1087
00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:25,900
I know you looking at me funny, 
but a lot of games at home, you 

1088
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:31,100
know, in this stretch and, you 
know, Ohio State, Minnesota, 

1089
00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:36,000
Purdue, Michigan, Penn State. 
All those games, frankly are 

1090
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,600
winnable games at home for 
Indiana. 

1091
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,600
If they can play solid, 
40-minute games and that seems 

1092
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,400
perhaps unlikely to a lot of 
people, but there's some games 

1093
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,500
there that I think Indiana is 
going to be really fired up for 

1094
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:51,100
an even if they lose a couple of
those games. 

1095
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:53,500
They've got some games on the 
road that aren't the most 

1096
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:56,600
daunting on the planet. 
I'm not overly frightened about 

1097
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,600
Iowa. 
Certainly not frightened about 

1098
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,900
Nebraska, and I'm no clue what 
to make of Maryland at this 

1099
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:05,700
point, other than I look, Look 
at them, and I say that's a team

1100
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:08,800
that you should be able to beat 
with proper scouting. 

1101
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,500
It's just going to kind of 
depend on how many lessons 

1102
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:14,500
you've learned from losing at 
Syracuse and losing it. 

1103
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:17,700
Wisconsin, and losing at Penn 
State in terms of how to handle 

1104
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:20,200
your business on the road. 
So I actually think this is 

1105
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,700
where Indiana can make up a lot 
of ground and can really 

1106
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:25,600
demonstrate what they're doing. 
They got to get themselves 

1107
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,100
together. 
But, you know, again, you know, 

1108
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:30,200
the fact that they came back in 
the Penn State game that didn't 

1109
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,000
give up when they could have 
with about 10 minutes to play 

1110
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,200
and even A really bad offensive 
game. 

1111
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:38,500
They were in a position that 
they could have won the game on 

1112
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:42,100
the last shot. 
If they done anything worthwhile

1113
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:47,100
on that last possession, you 
know, I I look at it or not won 

1114
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:48,200
the game. 
They could have tied the game 

1115
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,100
and send it over time. 
But I look at it and I say 

1116
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,300
that's about where I would 
expect them to be at this point 

1117
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:55,400
seven and four eight and three 
you probably don't agree with 

1118
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:01,400
me. 
Um, I 8 + 3 would be awesome. 

1119
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,800
That would just you know, One 
loss and you have a, do you have

1120
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,000
a Purdue game in there that I 
think is going to be really 

1121
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,400
tough. 
So that's just assuming we're 

1122
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,700
going to roll through. 
I mean, there's there's two ways

1123
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:14,300
to look at it. 
I'm probably leaning a little 

1124
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:17,400
bit more on the on the - Wait 
the glass half-empty way to look

1125
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,500
at it in the glass half-full? 
Is that of the three losses? 

1126
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,700
We really could have won all 
three of those games. 

1127
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:26,300
I know you can always like but 
you know, you say I do this and 

1128
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:28,200
that and this and that but 
nothing really, you know, the 

1129
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,600
Syracuse is a double overtime 
game. 

1130
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,800
The Wisconsin game, all three of
those games. 

1131
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,800
We just couldn't close it out. 
Like that was our problem is 

1132
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,400
like, when Come to nut crunch in
time. 

1133
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:40,800
We could not close it out. 
If you can change that then, you

1134
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,100
know, this team could be 13 and 
0 and really, you know, 

1135
00:55:44,107 --> 00:55:45,800
barreling down like a freight 
train. 

1136
00:55:45,808 --> 00:55:50,400
The more glass half, empty view,
is the things we were talking 

1137
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,200
about earlier that this team has
systemic problem, you know, 

1138
00:55:53,207 --> 00:55:56,200
systemic problems. 
It has point guard problems. 

1139
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,300
It has a trouble getting a ball 
to it's, you know, best player. 

1140
00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:01,600
And the reason it can't close 
out games because it can't 

1141
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,200
effectively really run its 
offense when it needs. 

1142
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,200
He's too. 
And when it has to get Buckets, 

1143
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,500
it has a really hard time, 
effectively running it offense 

1144
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:11,700
when things slow down and they 
have to do it. 

1145
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:15,500
Yeah, and I don't know what 
changes in the next six days. 

1146
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:17,600
I mean, they're what makes me 
nervous is. 

1147
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:22,400
I don't disagree with you. 
This team could go on a run, but

1148
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,200
it's just that all has to change
between now and January 9th. 

1149
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,900
Like, well, you gotta, it's just
it happened so quick. 

1150
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:31,500
Here's so I and I realize some 
people are probably going to be 

1151
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:34,100
like, what, what are you smoking
Man by saying? 

1152
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:38,400
But look, I also don't think 
basketball operates in a vacuum.

1153
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:40,800
I just don't. 
And the all the problems 

1154
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,600
Indiana's. 
Having I think you go around to 

1155
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,400
every fan base in the conference
including Purdue who just lost 

1156
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,200
at home to Wisconsin. 
And you could, you could find 

1157
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,500
people pointing their fingers at
a whole bunch of things with 

1158
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:54,900
their individual teams. 
And this is where I think you 

1159
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:57,300
have to take the passion out of 
it for a little bit and pretty 

1160
00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:58,400
lots of Rutgers. 
Yeah. 

1161
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:01,900
I mean honestly, even if Indiana
went five and five it was five 

1162
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:04,100
and five at that point in the 
season at the halfway point. 

1163
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,300
Point in the conference season. 
I think that would actually be 

1164
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:09,400
fine. 
I like I would look, I think 

1165
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,600
they can go 7 & 4, & 8, & 3 or 
B, 748, and 3, once they get to 

1166
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:18,600
that halfway mark, But even if 
they're, you know, if there was 

1167
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,100
there, I guess they'd be six and
five, not five and five, but 

1168
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:23,600
like they could be, they could 
have that number of losses and I

1169
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,700
think they would still be on 
track to get to where we think 

1170
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:30,500
that they should get to, which 
is the NCAA tournament. 

1171
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,400
I just, I look at where 
Indiana's at right now and I The

1172
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,100
pieces are there and the tougher
games that they're going to be 

1173
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:39,300
playing or going to be the games
that they have at home, where I 

1174
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:42,800
think they are going to have 
some advantages that are going 

1175
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,800
to also relate to disadvantages 
that other teams have. 

1176
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,500
Because we're just, you know, 
we're in a lot of cases, not 

1177
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:51,300
seeing teams travel 
particularly. 

1178
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:53,800
Well. 
Now, you know, obviously like, 

1179
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:56,400
you know, Purdue what do plays 
in Mackey Arena just lost at 

1180
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,500
home to Wisconsin. 
Who knows, but I also think 

1181
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:04,400
looking at the numbers looking 
at everything even with the Isms

1182
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,900
of the offense. 
I think that this IU team is 

1183
00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:10,000
still a top half of the 
conference team. 

1184
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,700
I think it's still a team that 
gets to double digits in wins. 

1185
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:15,500
And while it's hard to process 
all of that coming off of a 

1186
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:20,700
loss, to Penn State and feel any
confidence in saying it looking 

1187
00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:24,800
at the way that the schedule 
generally plays out and hoping 

1188
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,900
that Woodson's had enough of an 
impact on this team and that, 

1189
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:30,200
you know, some of the players 
that are on the team are going 

1190
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,000
to be able to have similar 
impacts and improve their games 

1191
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:36,500
a little bit. 
I think that they're going to 

1192
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:38,900
hold Serve by and large and 
they're going to like I said 

1193
00:58:38,900 --> 00:58:41,800
before, they're gonna win some 
games that we don't expect them 

1194
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,000
to at this point. 
Because even with the loss to 

1195
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,900
Penn State like Pomeroy still 
has Indiana projected that 10 

1196
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:50,900
and 10 in conference torvik 
still has Indiana projected at 

1197
00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:53,400
11 and 9 in conference. 
Well, you know, what, if they're

1198
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,900
going to be 10 and 10 or 11 and 
9, they're going to win several 

1199
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:00,800
of these games coming up. 
I mean, all those games we just 

1200
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,000
quoted from Ohio State to 
Maryland. 

1201
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:06,700
You think I'm being overly 
optimistic, but Pomeroy's got 

1202
00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:12,100
Indiana, winning six of those 
eight games, so that, you know, 

1203
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:14,300
I know that people don't want to
hear that right now because 

1204
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:16,900
everybody's decided that they 
want to have a big bitch Fest 

1205
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:19,800
about the, the program and I get
that. 

1206
00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:22,400
But the reality is 
statistically, that was a bad 

1207
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,000
game against Penn State, doesn't
mean it's been a bad season or 

1208
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,600
that it's a bad team. 
Yeah. 

1209
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,400
So anyway, I think I'll wrap it 
up as we're just about at the 

1210
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,700
hour. 
Mark, any final thoughts. 

1211
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:36,800
No, I'm happy. 
I got the Bison for Thursday are

1212
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,800
the are the students back for 
that game. 

1213
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,100
Or is it solid breaking? 
Well, they'll be they'll be 

1214
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:43,300
stew. 
I don't think it's in the 

1215
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:45,800
student package because okay, 
students. 

1216
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,900
We don't start class until 
Monday of next week. 

1217
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,600
So it will be an older crowd but
you know, look those has been 

1218
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,500
good, crowds have been good, 
crowds in general and I think 

1219
00:59:56,500 --> 01:00:00,500
that This particular game 
against in Ohio State team that 

1220
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,400
certainly has had Indiana's 
number quite a bit. 

1221
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,600
I think it'll draw a nice group 
of people out there to watch. 

1222
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,500
And then from there point that 
point on, he got the students 

1223
01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:10,800
back, and I've got will 
certainly help the energy, but I

1224
01:00:10,808 --> 01:00:12,100
think it'll be fine for this 
week. 

1225
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:13,500
Yeah. 
I'm excited. 

1226
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:16,900
I think that's this is, you 
know, a great time to have two 

1227
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:19,400
games in home, quick 
back-to-back. 

1228
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,500
And I'd love to see obviously 
like a Muslim win, loves him, go

1229
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:27,800
to, and oh, but I, I do think 
that the Ohio State, Game looms 

1230
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:33,800
large because that's a nice way 
to get a pretty nice to win. 

1231
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,100
But at a pretty low bar, like 
you're not asking to beat 

1232
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:38,600
Michigan State on the road. 
You're not asking to beat, you 

1233
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,200
know, Purdue team, who I know, 
just lost tonight. 

1234
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,100
But, you know, it's a good name,
but I don't think it's a bridge 

1235
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:46,100
too far for this team and 
especially being at home a 

1236
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:48,800
fired-up Assembly Hall. 
I think it could, you know, help

1237
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,200
turn things around. 
I mean, it would be a huge win. 

1238
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:52,900
It's a win. 
Indiana needs to have, like, I 

1239
01:00:52,908 --> 01:00:55,900
don't think you can go out and 
lay an egg offensively against 

1240
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:59,500
Penn State, the way that they It
and not come back and respond. 

1241
01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:03,200
And you know, look, I mean, this
is where we start to see what 

1242
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,800
kind of an effect Mike Woodson 
can have on his team in terms 

1243
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,000
of. 
How does he motivate them. 

1244
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:08,900
How ready, does he have them 
ready to play? 

1245
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,600
How well, do they respond to 
playing poorly? 

1246
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,100
And you know what, tweaks to see
make in the way that he 

1247
01:01:14,100 --> 01:01:16,800
approaches things as we head 
into this game. 

1248
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,500
So well, or I would expect to 
see hopefully, a really big game

1249
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:22,500
from the bench because again, 
going back to that, you know, he

1250
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:24,700
had six, guys, play Penn State 
basically, so it's like if 

1251
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:26,900
you're on the bench, if you're 
Geronimo, if you're Anthony, 

1252
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,800
only love your Tamar Bates and 
those guys on the bench, you 

1253
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,600
know, Michael dirr even. 
It's like, all right. 

1254
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,900
Now, it's time to show up. 
Like, now's your time to really 

1255
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:36,400
show up because basically showed
like, all right. 

1256
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:37,800
I'm going to play without you, 
if you don't play. 

1257
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,300
So, I think I would expect them 
to come up, you know, really 

1258
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:42,300
fired up, or at least I hope so.
Do it. 

1259
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:44,000
Hope. 
So, now, we'll see what, the, 

1260
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,500
what goes, what goes on here 
with this thing. 

1261
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:49,500
It's it's going to be 
fascinating. 

1262
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:52,400
As always. 
I you basketball can't just be 

1263
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,800
boring, good. 
It has to be fascinating bad and

1264
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:01,800
that's we are the We are the the
chaotic - of or what is? 

1265
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,300
I forget, that quadrant, 
whatever we come up with your 

1266
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:07,600
own quadrant listing for IU. 
Basketball, at think, it'll 

1267
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,500
probably be pretty descriptive 
of how everybody feels at this 

1268
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:12,400
point. 
Anyway, we'll wrap things up. 

1269
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,300
Scott is always a pleasure. 
Thanks for joining me and thanks

1270
01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:16,600
to all you folks for listening 
in. 

1271
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,000
As always. 
We'll be back. 

1272
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,400
Probably over the weekend, will 
have some thoughts on that Ohio 

1273
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,000
State game, since we're both 
going to be there. 

1274
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:23,100
Say, hi. 
Have you see us? 

1275
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:26,300
And we'll hopefully it's my 
football news, although nothing 

1276
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:27,700
seems to be on the horizon. 
Horizon right now. 

1277
01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:30,700
So for Scott I'm Galen. 
This is Crimson cast part of the

1278
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:33,000
back home. 
Network will catch you folks on 

1279
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,100
the flip side. 
Bring back the Bison so 

1280
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:35,600
everybody.