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Welcome back to Crimson cast and

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happy holidays from your 
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Not exactly an annual tradition 
for you to do a holiday show 

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here. 
Scott, but you weren't busy. 

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I wasn't that busy. 
I was like, yeah, let's do 

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something. 
And so, here we are. 

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It's great to see you again as 
we close out for some people the

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last week, before things really 
get crazy for the holidays, for 

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some other people. 
The first week of holiday break.

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How are you handling things? 
How are you doing? 

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Everything going? 
All right. 

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I'm doing great. 
I think this has been like the 

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ideal amount of time between 
like, you know, Thanksgiving and

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Christmas. 
Christmas. 

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You kind of get the lead up. 
It's like, you're almost, like 

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are we there yet, but you're 
still get the anticipation. 

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We're good. 
Yeah, went down. 

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Went downtown Indy last night, 
checked out the lights. 

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I love. 
I always love going to the 

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circle and checking that out. 
So yeah, we're good. 

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That's great. 
Yeah. 

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No, it's Bloomington has 
certainly cleared out quite a 

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bit. 
Although there was a decent 

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amount of people out having 
dinner before the game last 

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night. 
So that was nice to see and 

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things will get progressively 
more empty here. 

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I think over the next week or so
and then it'll start to fill up.

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Once again, as sorority rush 
comes back, always always an 

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interesting site. 
As, you know, you get to like 

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early January and another wise 
sleepy city has like hundreds of

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young women. 
Just kind of like standing 

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around waiting to like be put on
buses and taking place a very 

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odd, you know thing every year 
in Bloomington happens all over 

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the country, but it's always 
like do you need to do this in 

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the middle? 
Like the dead of winter? 

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Like who does that serve exact? 
Feel like that's more punishment

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than reward, but I can maybe 
that's part of the process. 

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I don't know, isn't it? 
Out of the Greek system in a 

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nutshell. 
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something to be said that 
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but that's got the sticker, 
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So Scott, let's go ahead and 
dive into things here before we 

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get started on your questions 
folks. 

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Scott. 
Let's talk a little bit about 

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the game that took place. 
So Yesterday Indiana knocking 

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off Northern Kentucky kind of an
interesting game Indiana was 

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dominant in the first half of 
this game, you know, Northern 

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Kentucky just couldn't score 
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the entire first half Indiana 
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coming into their own on both 
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It's settle down a little bit, 
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the last 10 minutes of the game,
Northern Kentucky, hit some 

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shots got on a roll so it ended 
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Mandating a performance. 
As it looked like it might have 

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been but overall. 
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performance for this Indiana 
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And, you know, when you think 
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often come from holiday break, 
and from this particular part in

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the calendar, it's good to see 
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Be able to come out and put on a
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Victory being able to cover the 
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And just not really having much 
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they were going to win it 
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Yeah, I mean the end of, you 
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Indiana's up. 4:41. 
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2:36, run and then in the first 
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tough to say like I would keep 
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It's like you can't you're not 
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points. 
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said, you know, they look at it 
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gas and they still won by almost
20, so it's not like it really 

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got that close. 
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the thing. 
Like at the end of the year that

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you really can't learn anything 
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These games that me, the thing 
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think you continue to see the 
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You saw them trying different 
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You try them, try to push the 
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got to get in there offense 
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Northern Kentucky, get set in 
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So, I mean, I like that. 
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things different lineups, you 
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like, or you had in the second 
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Anthony Leo with Xavier Johnson,
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And there was some three-point 
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and you know, it's funny. 
I saw more of a allele and 

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pursue the crossroad classic. 
I like that. 

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He started this game. 
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if I'm just going to wish he was
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I don't say it's a hard thing to
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provides. 
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doesn't seem to translate into 
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shoot. 
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for 3 from 3. 
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not a great stat line, but I 
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More. 
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No answer as to why I like 
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some kind of internal 
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And you know, it's I mean Mike 
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This will tie into something. 
We're going to talk about a 

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little bit later on but Woodson 
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he was not going to talk about 
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in the first half and really 
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the second teen even in the 
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great. 
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not like some kind of outlandish
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Like, you know, the three he 
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be some kind of a discipline 
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you do something wrong or you do
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coach, you're going to sit and 
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happening behind the scenes and 
we didn't know about it over the

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last five or six years, but it 
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It really felt like There wasn't
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structure unless there had to 
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drug suspension. 
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time. 
This felt more. 

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Like, hey, you're out of line. 
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you know, it's like the old 
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say about the bench being one of
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you have as a coach because you 
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and I'm going to let other 
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So that said, you know, you're 
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His start didn't do much in 
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had two points and he didn't 
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Well, but let's give him credit.
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tied for the team lead along 
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he had four rebounds, which was,
you know, it's a pretty good 

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performance overall for a guy 
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be around the basket all the 
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So I do think that, you know, 
Leal is still a bit of a work in

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progress in terms of his overall
developmental curve, and there's

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nothing wrong with that as I've 
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One of the things that we just 
haven't had in IU basketball, to

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the degree that needs to be, 
there is development of players 

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over multiple years, and the 
idea that you can bring in guys 

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that maybe aren't starting 
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sophomores and they'll actually 
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They can be regular starters and
they can be people that can 

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And so I do think it's great 
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certainly has aspects of his 
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But he's he goes and he plays 
hard and he's gradually building

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a case to be in the lineup. 
More often. 

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Maybe not as a starter. 
But as a starter, you know, yes,

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he's taking some shooting off 
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maybe in another game he won't 
because he has shot well in 

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other games and when his 
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doing other things that are 
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that feels knew that feels like 
something that we haven't had a 

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whole lot of with this IU 
program over the course of the 

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last five or six years, and so 
it's happy. 

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That's a happy thing for me to 
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The other thing that I saw it 
was mentioned on the Big Ten 

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Network feed that I thought was 
interesting and I don't want to 

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it's just it's nice to see. 
I don't want to lament too much 

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on the Archie years, but, you 
know, they were talking about 

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how the defense right now, you 
know, the efficiency numbers are

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really good, you know, the 
defense look in the defense does

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look really good but how you 
know, we're really pushing the 

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pressure on the guards because 
we know that like, you have Race

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Thompson, then you have traced 
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you can basically make up for. 
I don't want same mistakes, but 

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you can gamble up front. 
Because Trace is just so good 

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under the block and it does make
you wonder, you know, again, I 

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like Woodson's philosophy, which
we talked about kind of all into

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this preseason. 
I don't think anybody can say, 

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oh, we play this. 
It's like, we're going to play 

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tough defense and we're going to
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That's kind of, that's kind of 
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And I like being under that 
versus like, I play the pack 

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line defense, because you're 
seeing now like this team. 

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And again, I want to spend too 
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It's like you don't need to pack
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Davis. 
He shouldn't be in the pack like

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you should be doing what we're 
doing now, which is pressure up 

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at the guards. 
And then if a guy gets by you, 

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that's great because you have 
one of the best Premier Rim 

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defenders in the country back 
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Whereas pacline kind of gets him
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So it is nice to see, you know, 
a coach who does seem to be at 

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least for right now, making a 
scheme based on what his players

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well, Well, yeah, there's no 
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enough games now against enough 
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defensive perspective, is a Leap
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doing under Archie Miller. 
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the setup that opposing teams 
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have been individual moments 
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about before focused on making 
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opposed to gambling, four 
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that a in terms of keeping 
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glass and be just making it 
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general. 
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wine when it works works great, 
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overly rigid. 
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shots at exactly the worst 
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see how things play out because 
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Wisconsin game or you can look 
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well, hey, when you really 
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Games you couldn't get one. 
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work in progress. 
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terms of overall shot defense. 
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And, as you said, Trace Jackson,
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that he's not fouling, so he's 
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floor, that that really does 
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of what you're able to do 
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course of the game. 
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Davis is averaging one point six
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minutes of play which is 120th 
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defense. 
I mean, he's really him and race

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Thompson both and I race draws 
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rebound, slightly better, you 
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put them in tandem in the post 
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to achieve a plateau that they 
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achieving in the previous couple
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continues to grow and then you 
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of Jordan Geronimo as a 
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can come in and give you 10 to 
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know, everybody focuses on his 
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a novelty. 
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wrapped around playing 
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was you a lot of flexibility in 
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the post and that extends to 
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penetration. 
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on the perimeter. 
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just, you know, you mentioned 
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when he's credit again. 
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He's in the schedule, but he's 
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two blocks of game. 
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than fouls. 
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He's, you know, ten ten block 
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country 7% which is s the Big 
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other teams and players are who 
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But it's just it's hard to 
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Anybody being better defensively
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seen multiple times this year, 
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It's like traceable, you know, 
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It's like oh and he still gets 
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I mean, he's just, he is so 
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and his offense. 
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transformative and he's taken a 
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and offensively, but definitely 
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see the work that he's put in 
and how this system is really 

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helping helping. 
Him and again with with race 

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there, but it's just, it's 
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him play defense. 
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game, it's a nice again solid 
professional win. 

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I would say and it leaves 
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they're very well positioned to 
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and 2. 
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next month's Dupree, Big Ten 
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Pretty big Temple. 
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play. 
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that game, get let's go. 
We're not big tits over your 

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house. 
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Asheville next week, they'll be 
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conference play heading into 
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And, you know, that's going to 
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wins going into conference play.
And, yes, two of those wins are 

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in conference play, but you 
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you have the opportunity at that
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Really, to pick up maybe 10 more
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Ten tournament. 
That would leave you in a really

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good spot. 
Spot as you head into the Big 

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Ten tournament for the NCAA 
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And I think you look at what the
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with so far. 
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I actually think that things are
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team as we head into the in the 
conference play. 

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So Patrick asked this question, 
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on schedule with two losses, 
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Syracuse both of the road games 
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Those games were IE, they could 
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those games. 
Do you modify expectations 

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heading into Big Ten play. 
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look like. 
So you're looking at the numbers

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The BART torvik website is 

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projecting Indiana, still at 22,
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Overall. 
Can Pomeroy is a little bit less

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optimistic. 
The projection there is 21 and 

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10 and 11. 
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those games are very much 50/50 
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Direction. 
I mean, you go down the roster 

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of games that I, you would have,
you know, in the Big Ten that 

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could go one way or another. 
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look at is 50/50 games or games 
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percentage for either team 
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percent and you go down the list
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Excuse me, on the road is one of
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The Purdue game at home is one 
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Marilyn game on the road is one 
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road is one of those. 
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Minnesota on the road. 
If Indiana can pick up those 

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kinds of winds consistently, 
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actually much higher. 
I think Patrick brings up a good

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point in that 11 and 9 or 12 and
8. 

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I think if the season ended, if 
we if we told you right now with

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the ending of the season was and
we said, okay and he and I went 

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22 and nine and twelve and 
eight, I think. 

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Most people in the fan base 
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That's great. 
That's perfect. 

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We will take that will go ahead 
and run with it. 

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They question Scott is, have you
seen enough out of this team up 

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to this point? 
That you think that they can 

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exceed that significantly, or do
you still kind of see them as 

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being right in that 11 or 12, or
in range in the conference? 

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I still think it's that 1112 win
range in the conference. 

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And it's only because, you know,
in the to the two losses were 

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kind of the too, you know. 
Whether game so to speak. 

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A lot of the other games were 
against subpar, Pony thing. 

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St. 
John's win was good. 

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But you know, you had two tough 
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of lost them both in different 
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down, or 20 points up and, you 
know, you're still seeing this 

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inability to put together a full
40 minutes, starting to get 

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better. 
But even if, you know, even if 

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you look at the Northern 
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they kind of let I don't say, 
let him backing say 1 by 18 or 

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so, but it's like, you know, 
they let the foot off the gas a 

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little bit. 
It'd be nice to see them just 

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put Whether straight 40 minutes,
even against Northern, Kentucky 

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is not going to matter because I
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Ohio, state of Minnesota. 
So no, I think, and I think just

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for everybody's well-being. 
I think this season, it's best 

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to kind of keep expectations, 
right, where they are at. 

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And in the end they played well,
they look like they're 

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improving, which is good. 
Which again is something we're 

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not used to seeing in some IU 
teams, but you know Syracuse is 

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still ranked 67th in can Palm. 
So it's not like they're a 

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world-beating team in Wisconsin.
Right in our level 32, that's 

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that's a road loss. 
Is that was kind of a 50/50 game

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and Syracuse probably game. 
We should have one and we 

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didn't. 
So if you look at it from that 

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respect, maybe you're lowering 
expectations, but I think I 

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should, I get, I think to me, I 
think everyone's going to be in 

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a better headspace, you keep 
expectations, you know, where 

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you're at and that's, that's 
kind of the fun. 

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I think with the season is, I've
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think we could try to finish 
fifth sixth or seventh in the 

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Big Ten. 
Make the NCAA tournament as a 

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double-digit seed and If, you 
know, we exceed that, that's 

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fun. 
That's great. 

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But let's start start moving the
goalposts and then being 

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disappointed. 
Because this team, still it's 

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getting better. 
It's still has serious flaws or 

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in a come back and bite it many 
times this year, which is, when 

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it gets to nut crunch crunching 
time. 

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Like you said, you know, is the 
defense going to be able to stop

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things, you know, is that 
perimeter defense going to 

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gamble too much. 
And then in the other side, you 

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know, can we get the ball to our
best player when we need to? 

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Or are we going to, you know, 
are we going to have Guard 

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problems that, you know, rear 
their head evens, just to date 

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you a couple days ago against 
Notre Dame. 

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So it's not like that's out of 
it. 

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That's in the rearview mirror. 
That way you've got a problem to

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solve after one game in 
Northern, Kentucky. 

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So I hear him saying but I to 
me, it's like I think we're 

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right in line. 
I think the expectations just 

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stay the same. 
We had a similar question from 

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Darryl jr. 
On Twitter about whether that 22

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and nine ends up being what we 
end up with or if we see Indiana

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exceed or not reach those 
potentials at this point, all of

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you like, Both of the main. 
Power websites. 

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Whether it's torvik or Ken pom 
have basically identified. 

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That there are four teams that 
are clearly in the upper echelon

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of the conference. 
In terms of projected 

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statistics, Purdue, Michigan 
State, Illinois, and Ohio State,

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and then, you know, depending 
on, if you look at torvik, 

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Indiana and Michigan or kind of 
projected as being that next 

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tier down and then the tier 
below, that is Wisconsin and, 

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Iowa. 
And then everybody else kind of 

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Falls in underneath that. 
I guess you could throw 

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Minnesota in because they've 
significantly over achieved 

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their expectations. 
Look at this point. 

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What I would say from this, 
Indiana team, if you look at the

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way that everything lays out, I 
think that the defensive 

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efficiency that they've 
demonstrated is going to travel 

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very well within this conference
and within the course of 

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conference play. 
The fact that they can rely on 

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their defense being strong is 
going to win them some games 

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that Once they've lost the last 
couple of years, what I still 

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worry about is all the things we
talked about after the Wisconsin

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game and to some degree, the 
things that were present after 

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the Notre Dame game as well, 
which is the point guard. 

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Situation is still a little bit 
unsettled. 

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You still don't know what you're
going to get out of out of 

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Xavier Johnson or rub fantasy or
Christian Lander on a night 

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tonight basis. 
And, you know, the turnover rate

448
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while you could argue whether 
it's a product of the offense or

449
00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:39,100
whether it's a product of the 
personnel. the fact of the 

450
00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:43,600
matter is the turnovers are 
artificially limiting what this 

451
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,400
offense can do in terms of 
blossoming into something better

452
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:53,300
than you know, an offense that 
ranks in the 60s or 70s or 80s 

453
00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:57,400
as the case may be if they can 
solve the turnover issue if they

454
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,800
could reduce by three turnovers 
a game for instance over the 

455
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,400
course of the Big Ten season 
that would equate to another 

456
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,300
couple of wins, but I I'd be 
surprised at this point if they 

457
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,400
Able to effectively do that. 
So I think right now my 

458
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,900
projection would be yes. 
They're going to be about 12 and

459
00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:16,800
8 or 11 and 9. 
And I think that's a nice 

460
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,200
rebound because that number of 
winds coupled with the 

461
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,100
opponent's, you're going to be 
getting those wins against. 

462
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:25,400
That's going to get you back to 
the NCAA tournament. 

463
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,500
And to me, that was always the 
key of this season. 

464
00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,400
It's like, get back into the 
tournament. 

465
00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:32,600
Put yourself back in that 
mentality and then build upon 

466
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,400
that next year, in the year 
Beyond. 

467
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,000
I mean, two things, just a 
positive way to look at things 

468
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,900
is Is in the numbers about it, 
you know, we could talk about 

469
00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:45,300
our boy can overpower rank as 
well now to but in the numbers 

470
00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:48,800
on Ken Palm, you know, the one 
thing that I do like the 

471
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,700
positive is you look at adjusted
defense. 

472
00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:54,500
We are the best in the Big Ten 
right now on, adjust a defense. 

473
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:56,900
Now a lot of that is based on, 
you know that it's schedule and 

474
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:58,700
like if you look at the 
conference only, we're not big 

475
00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:00,200
but it's only two games sample 
size. 

476
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,000
So there's a bit of a sample 
size of who have you played 

477
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,100
mentality of that. 
But at least right now, you 

478
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:07,000
know, we're ranked 14th in the 
country adjusted defense. 

479
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,100
That's the best in the Big Ten. 
Slightly edging, Michigan State 

480
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:12,300
on the negative side. 
Like you said, you know, 

481
00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:15,400
turnovers is really what you 
look at the kind of the for 

482
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,800
statistics, the numbers for 
Indiana. 

483
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,200
That's the one that just stands 
out as like, we're not good at. 

484
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,300
You know, our turnover 
percentage is bad and I love the

485
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:25,500
tour of excite because you can 
kind of track things throughout 

486
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:28,100
the season and it's not getting 
better. 

487
00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:31,300
It's not like we're seeing that 
slowly get better like right now

488
00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:34,500
the turnover percentage has kind
of leveled out to where it's 

489
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:37,800
been and it's been about the 
same since probably the third 

490
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:38,800
game of the season. 
The season. 

491
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,300
It's kind of on a trend that's 
either going a little bit worse 

492
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:45,200
or staying about the same. 
And so it would be abnormal to 

493
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,900
see that suddenly, you know, a 
third in the season just 

494
00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:50,800
suddenly spiked up were that we 
cut the turnovers out it could 

495
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,900
happen because I don't think I 
think that's one of the easier 

496
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:56,200
stats that you could probably 
fix versus like it's like your 

497
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,400
three-point shooting is bad. 
Your defense is bad, you know, 

498
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,100
cutting out turnovers as 
possible, but it just it is 

499
00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:02,700
worth noting that when you look 
at the graph of it. 

500
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:05,300
It's kind of like this is we are
who we are at least right now 

501
00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:08,300
with the turnovers. 
Yeah and look I think that there

502
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,300
Is there's going to be some more
development on offense? 

503
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:13,300
A lot of the development really 
is come in the shooting 

504
00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:18,000
percentages and you know that 
that has helped nice hitting 3. 

505
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,900
This is that and if that 
continues, if you continue to 

506
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:23,800
get guys, get comfortable 
shooting the ball, particularly 

507
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,500
Rob fennessy, who will talk 
about in a little bit that can 

508
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:30,200
help to mitigate some of the 
turnover aspects as well, you 

509
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,100
know, because when you talk 
about offensive efficiency, 

510
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,600
turnovers are the worst because 
it just hits it completely empty

511
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,500
possession. 
At that point when it comes to 

512
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:41,600
offense and fishing, See, and so
figuring out a way to, I would 

513
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,000
rather have a, you know, 
possessions and in missed shots,

514
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,800
because there's always a chance 
of an offensive rebound. 

515
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,000
At least you're giving yourself 
a chance to do something there. 

516
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:52,000
So we'll see. 
But these are the things to keep

517
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,900
an eye on as we go through 
conference play. 

518
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,200
Because I think the other 
indicators for this offense are 

519
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,800
pointing up by and large and 
that's really exciting to see. 

520
00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:02,300
I would also re I'm going to say
one last thing. 

521
00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:05,400
Go ahead. 
If you, you know, for those who 

522
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:11,000
are getting excited, I would say
this wait until January 9th, you

523
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,200
know, if we go to January 9th, 
and we've beaten Penn State, 

524
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:19,200
Ohio State in Minnesota, right? 
I think then you can maybe you 

525
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,300
can have a discussion of putting
our, you know, optimistic, 

526
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:25,900
uptick a little bit because that
would be a nice set of you can 

527
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:27,900
win the pain, the Ohio, State 
Minnesota games. 

528
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:31,000
You're on a better trajectory. 
So again, like it's going to 

529
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,500
come. 
That's like for three and a half

530
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:34,100
weeks away. 
So So right, you know, I would 

531
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:35,800
just say, hold. 
Let's see how those to go. 

532
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000
Yeah. 
Look, I think there's a big 

533
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,400
question, mark about how this 
Indiana team is going to handle 

534
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,200
better competition. 
I don't think they're going to 

535
00:26:42,208 --> 00:26:44,700
be scared of them. 
But I do worry about the lulz 

536
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:47,000
that we've seen out of this 
Indiana team, at various points,

537
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,700
against teams with Talent, 
whether it was the first half 

538
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:52,300
against Syracuse, whether it was
the second half against 

539
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:55,400
Wisconsin, over the first half 
against Nebraska for that 

540
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,800
matter, which I have against JJ,
John's or, and, and that stretch

541
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,500
of time in the second half 
against Notre Dame. 

542
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:05,000
I mean, there are just moments 
where Team falls asleep at the 

543
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,600
wheel and needs a kick in the 
butt to kind of get themselves 

544
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,200
up and running again. 
They need to self-regulate on 

545
00:27:11,208 --> 00:27:13,500
that a lot better because there 
aren't going to be a lot of off 

546
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:17,200
nights in the Big Ten with the 
array of teams that they're 

547
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,500
going to be playing. 
So that that is that I agree 

548
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:21,400
with you. 
It's like, let's see. 

549
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,400
This team. 
Look, I think this team is going

550
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,300
to win more games than not 
against those types of teams, 

551
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:29,200
but there's plenty of those 
teams in the conference so you 

552
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,800
can win more games than not and 
still finish, you know, with 

553
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,100
with eight or nine losses in the
car. 

554
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,300
France overall jumping to some 
other questions here. 

555
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:41,200
So top 40 under 40 asks, in 
terms of players season 

556
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,500
statistics. 
What's the most surprising? 

557
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:46,900
And what do you think changes 
the most in the final two thirds

558
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,200
of the season? 
And and this is something where 

559
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:54,600
you have to look at how 
everybody's doing on this team 

560
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,400
and try to figure things out. 
I mean, the least surprising 

561
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,000
thing to me has been how 
effective Trace Jackson. 

562
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,900
Davis has been across the board.
I mean, he's Active field goal 

563
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:08,200
percentages. 62% his free-throw 
percentage is jump back up. 

564
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,700
It's, you know, it's not 
Sterling but it's 68 percent, 

565
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:13,100
which is better than I think. 
A lot of people thought that it 

566
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:20,100
would be a nice shooting 72% on 
clothes 2's, he's got, you know 

567
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,900
what? 
I think we saw that stat 

568
00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:27,200
yesterday the most dunks of 
anybody in division one, so I'm 

569
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,100
not very surprised about that. 
I guess my most surprising thing

570
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,900
is maybe Twofold one is, you 
know, looking at the numbers 

571
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:42,200
overall how efficient relatively
speaking. 

572
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,700
And and despite some issues with
with with some various aspects 

573
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:50,600
of his game, how efficient 
tomorrow Bates is able been able

574
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,400
to be coming in. 
Off the bench. 

575
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:54,800
He's over a point per 
possession, which is always 

576
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,800
really nice to see. 
He's been a positive contributor

577
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:01,600
and that's under relatively 
limited usage overall. 

578
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:04,600
He's not really He's not doing a
whole lot in terms of 

579
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,800
Distributing the ball, but he 
has been able to score fairly 

580
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,000
efficiently when he's taken that
opportunity, you know, the I 

581
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000
guess the surprise to me there 
is that he's been able to do 

582
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,800
that despite the fact that he's 
not starting. 

583
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,100
And, you know, he's generally 
not the number one or number 

584
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:21,700
two, option. 
Even when he is out on the 

585
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:23,700
floor. 
So that's been nice to see the 

586
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:27,800
other surprise and it's an 
unhappy one is how poorly Rob 

587
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,900
finish. 
These offensive game has been 

588
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:31,600
going. 
I mean, you, you look up and 

589
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,800
down the roster. 
And for the minutes that fantasy

590
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,100
has played, he has by far, the 
worst offensive rating on the 

591
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,500
team. 
He's got an unfortunately, High 

592
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:46,000
turnover ratio and you know, 
while he's done a good job of 

593
00:29:46,008 --> 00:29:49,100
Distributing the ball and he has
done a good job overall of 

594
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,200
playing better offensively. 
The last couple of games. 

595
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,600
I want to give credit where 
credit is due on the whole his 

596
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,100
contributions. 
This season, have really been 

597
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:00,900
far below the standard you would
expect out of the number two, 

598
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:04,100
point guard or for that matter. 
A guy who should have been 

599
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:07,300
contending for the number one 
point guard job on the team. 

600
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,900
What about you? 
What did, what is stood out for 

601
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:10,000
you? 
Good and bad. 

602
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:14,600
In terms of the statistics. 
I mean on the good side you have

603
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,000
to be impressed with the 
shooting of Parker Stewart. 

604
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,300
I mean, he came in, you know, 
you know, at Pittsburgh, he shot

605
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:23,400
38% from Three Tennessee. 
Martin, he shot 34 percent from 

606
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,000
three, I mean, shooting 49% from
three right now, you have to 

607
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,300
assume that it can't keep up 
basically shooting 50% from 

608
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:34,100
three. 
But he's a volume shooter. 

609
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:36,400
I mean, he, you know, he is 
averaging, you know, the first 

610
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,200
two years about 188 threes per 
season and that's kind of where 

611
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,700
he's at now, so, it's been 
really nice to see him continue 

612
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:49,300
that and kind of grow it. 
But I mean, honestly you it's 

613
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:51,800
the one thing that does feel 
like it's going to translate 

614
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,400
because he's been getting good 
looks he's been hitting them. 

615
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,000
And then you know, in the in the
to quote unquote, like, you 

616
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,500
know, really tough games 
against, you know, tough 

617
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,800
opponents, you know, Syracuse he
did hit 50% going. 4:12 and 

618
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,800
against Wisconsin is 345 going 
over fifty percent. 

619
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,200
So it looks like he's shooting 
travels and his shooting can 

620
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,000
continue against really good 
opponent. 

621
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,400
So that's that's been really 
nice because was just been nice 

622
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,500
having someone you can shoot 
three pointers, you know, the 

623
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:23,700
negative side. 
I would say I'm doing this off 

624
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:25,200
of memory. 
I'm trying to find the the 

625
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,800
overall team numbers on this, 
but it's the free throw shooting

626
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,000
is still not ideal the three 
free throws. 

627
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,700
Shooting, you know, Trace 
Jackson Davis did hit those two 

628
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:40,300
against Syracuse to put us into 
overtime, which I think any IU 

629
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:42,700
fan would have lost any bet 
there where it's like, he got 

630
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:44,100
fouled and you're like, all 
right. 

631
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,600
Well, he's definitely going 142 
from the lie, but he hits those 

632
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,300
too, but he's still struggling 
to have consistency at the line.

633
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:51,200
Again. 
That's something that I feel 

634
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,800
like is going to rear its ugly 
head, but we still are just not,

635
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,500
not a great free-throw, shooting
team. 

636
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,600
And I think that's going to 
hinder Us in some games. 

637
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,000
We've already seen it a little 
bit. 

638
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,900
Wisconsin game is going to 
hinder us as well. 

639
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:05,700
I would love to see that 
continue to get better. 

640
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:06,900
But those kind of my good and 
bad. 

641
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,500
Yeah. 
No, I think I don't make sense 

642
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,900
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659
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Let's continue on here. 
Is we had some additional No 

660
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:06,500
questions from folks across the 
board. 

661
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:10,400
Dan Corral our old friend asks, 
how do you feel about the Mike 

662
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,500
Woodson era on the floor so far 
can woods and take this team 

663
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:16,000
farther than the level it is 
now? 

664
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,500
Or is that a consequence of the 
former coach, so I'll let you 

665
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:21,800
start with this what? 
You've had a half a season, 

666
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,500
essentially slightly under a 
half a season of Mike Woodson as

667
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:29,300
head coach for Indiana. 
We've seen both on the court and

668
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:30,900
off the court, some of the 
aspects of that. 

669
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:32,400
What are your impressions thus 
far? 

670
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,300
I've been really impressed. 
I like, I like what I'm seeing, 

671
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:37,700
and it goes back. 
Some of the things I said 

672
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:40,700
earlier, you know, you see it, 
game, two gave you see them, 

673
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,200
trying different schemes 
defensively, you definitely see 

674
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,800
them trying different schemes 
offensively. 

675
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,300
You saw them completely 
re-engineer how they were 

676
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:51,500
playing Syracuse in the second 
half and they change that up 

677
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,900
and, you know, I don't want to 
become totally pollyannaish and 

678
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:58,300
just only look at the positives.
But a lot of the issues that 

679
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:02,000
this team has had, were honestly
issues that were under Archie. 

680
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Don't that was always the 
problem. 

681
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,400
To Archie is we'd have these 
stretches of non-scoring and I 

682
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,800
don't want to say it's like Mike
was to just get to pass, but 

683
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,400
it's it's natural that some of 
the problems that the last team 

684
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,100
had you're going to see residual
product versions of those 

685
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:19,000
problems. 
Continue as you kind of either 

686
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,699
kick the dust off of, you know, 
what was taught by the old 

687
00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:26,000
regime so to speak or just some 
of those players, you know, are 

688
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,800
not that set up. 
I like You know, I really like 

689
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:32,000
what I'm seeing on the court and
those things, and I like, what 

690
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,100
I'm seeing off the court and 
kind of the construction of the 

691
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:38,100
team, you know, the guys he 
brought in, you know, whether or

692
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,400
not you know, we'll look back 
on. 

693
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,900
Savior, Johnson is kind of like 
it was an interesting time but 

694
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:46,400
whether or not, you know, he 
will Annoy Us at times like 

695
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,900
we've said, but, you know, 
obviously, Mike Woodson saw 

696
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:50,800
like, hey, I need to get a 
different point guard. 

697
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,100
To imagine. 
If we didn't have Xavier 

698
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:53,800
Johnson. 
We just had Fitness e and 

699
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,699
Christian Lander, like, where 
would we be then? 

700
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:57,900
Like we need that. 
We need a bulldog. 

701
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:00,500
On this team, we need someone to
kind of do that. 

702
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:03,900
And you seen what he, you know, 
the guys who have the real 

703
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,000
talent like Trace Jackson Davis 
race Thompson. 

704
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000
I've seen them really improve 
wants a real towels, not the 

705
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,800
right way to say it, but the 
guy, you know, the, the 

706
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,200
high-level talented guys. 
We've seen him be able to seen 

707
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,200
Woodson, be able to grow them, 
but also build an offense that 

708
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,200
didn't look like we did under 
under Archie with trace or under

709
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,600
Archie with Romeo where it's 
like hey get the five stars the 

710
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,800
ball. 
We're just going to stand here, 

711
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,600
like you don't see that. 
So Oh, I really like what I'm 

712
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,000
seeing and I feel very 
comfortable that we're going in 

713
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,300
the right direction and then 
once woods and starts to have 

714
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:39,000
some of his players on this 
team, we're going to be in an 

715
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,400
even better spot with, you know,
the point guard, things like 

716
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,000
that. 
So I I've been again relatively 

717
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,200
pleased to get my expectations 
were not, hey, we're going to 

718
00:35:46,207 --> 00:35:47,500
win the Big Ten and go to the 
final four. 

719
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:50,200
This year, my expectations were 
we're going to be able to pack. 

720
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,400
We're going to compete and, you 
know, we've not been blown out 

721
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,600
yet, it may or may not happen 
this year, but we've competed, 

722
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,700
we haven't lost too. 
Add team yet. 

723
00:35:58,700 --> 00:36:02,300
So, thus far, I'm very happy 
with what I'm seeing. 

724
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,600
And sorry. 
The last thing I will say is 

725
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:10,200
you're seeing this team play 
with happiness and joy and 

726
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,700
passion. 
And that's the thing too, that 

727
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:15,400
for so many times. 
In the last couple of years. 

728
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,100
We would kind of be like, these 
guys are sleepwalking. 

729
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,300
It just felt like, everyone's 
kind of sleepwalking. 

730
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:23,100
And while yes, Xavier Johnson 
can be frustrating at times. 

731
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:26,400
He has passion, but you can't 
say he doesn't have passion. 

732
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,300
Like I think that's where Say 
greed, stood out so much in 

733
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:33,400
those that are that he played is
like he was the one dude who was

734
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,300
playing with passion and kind of
like trying to will that team to

735
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:39,000
do something and it was like 
pulling a bunch of sleepwalking 

736
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,700
zombies with him, you know, this
T doesn't have that and, you 

737
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:46,500
know, they they they lost a 
tough game against Syracuse. 

738
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:48,700
They came home and took care of 
business against Nebraska. 

739
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:49,800
They lost a tough one against 
Wisconsin. 

740
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,100
They came out. 
Look fired up against Notre 

741
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:56,000
Dame, you know, and, and so, I 
like that kind of mentality 

742
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,800
where they don't seem to get 
down, doesn't I don't see this 

743
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,400
team going on, like a 12 game 
losing streak or losing three, 

744
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,200
four, five in a row are losing 
their Mojo. 

745
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:05,300
So, I think that is something 
you've mentioned many times. 

746
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:08,300
It's fun to see them play with 
joy, that's that, but it's also 

747
00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:10,900
fun to see a team kind of play 
with passion and heart and like 

748
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,300
really fight. 
Yeah, you covered a lot of the 

749
00:37:13,308 --> 00:37:15,500
things that I was going to 
stretch out all the. 

750
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,600
I took all the red meat. 
It's fine, you know, but so I'll

751
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,600
touch on a couple of other 
things that I've stood out to 

752
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,100
me, you know, I think one of the
fascinating things to watch is 

753
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,800
Mike Woodson's willingness this 
to do the things that he thinks 

754
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:36,600
are right without acting. 
Like there's a problem with him 

755
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,000
doing them. 
You know, one of the there was a

756
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,500
tentativeness about Archie 
Miller is the head coach at 

757
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:42,600
Indiana University. 
There was a tentativeness about 

758
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,600
Tom crean as the head coach of 
Indiana University and what's 

759
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,200
this? 
Just not tentative and I think 

760
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,600
we've seen it in a couple of 
different things and they're 

761
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,100
little things but they do add 
up, you know, one of them I 

762
00:37:54,107 --> 00:38:01,000
think has been his reaction to 
What he's doing with his team, 

763
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,600
and so the we talked about the 
Parker Stuart thing and him 

764
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,800
obviously getting benched in the
first half of this Northern 

765
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,100
Kentucky game and he gets asked 
about it in the post game press 

766
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,700
conference, and he pretty 
forcefully says, you know, I'm 

767
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,000
never going to discuss what goes
on in my locker room with fans 

768
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:21,300
or the media and just that like,
you know, I mean, yes, I 

769
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,400
actually think Archie did a 
pretty good job of protecting 

770
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:29,000
his players by and large. 
But you you kind of get a I'm 

771
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,400
feeling out of Mike Woodson 
where it's like, okay Woodson is

772
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:35,900
definitely the president and CEO
of this team. 

773
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,500
And it's this is how he's going 
to approach things. 

774
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:43,100
He's got his own philosophy, it 
ties in with, I think a lot of 

775
00:38:43,107 --> 00:38:46,000
the traditional aspects of the 
Indiana basketball philosophy 

776
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,200
that a lot of people have been 
hoping for and waiting to see 

777
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:53,600
and there seem to be 
consequences for actions. 

778
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,100
Whether it's things that we're 
seeing on the floor or things 

779
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:59,000
that were not seeing, but a 
resulting in people not Hang on 

780
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,700
the floor, and look Woodson's, 
also dealing with a unique and 

781
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:05,700
difficult time. 
I think in Indiana basketball 

782
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:08,600
history. 
So on his radio show on Monday. 

783
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,600
He addressed fans booing Xavier 
Johnson during that in order 

784
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,500
Dame game, and he basically 
said, you know, I was surprised.

785
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:20,700
And I don't want to hear that 
because, you know, we've got, 

786
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,400
we've got this great group of 
fans and I want to see them 

787
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,700
supporting our players and 
lifting them up now. 

788
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,000
I think that Same words, coming 
out of either crean or Archie 

789
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,400
Miller would have been met with 
some derision on the part of 

790
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,100
fans when Woodson says them. 
It's like, oh, maybe we should 

791
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:43,300
listen to what he says because 
our coach and it's not just his 

792
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:46,000
presence. 
But I also think that he's he's 

793
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,700
serious when he says it and he's
I mean Dane five and I've heard 

794
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:51,800
him on podcast, talk about 
similar things. 

795
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,800
I've seen some similar things on
social media, you know, the the 

796
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,700
IU fan base has not been well 
maintained. 

797
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,900
And over the course of the last 
two decades. 

798
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:04,100
And what I mean by, that is, as 
I've said, many times the head 

799
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:07,600
coach at Indiana for men's 
basketball is, as much, a 

800
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,000
religious figure as they are a 
basketball coach. 

801
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,500
And they essentially have a 
congregation in the IU fanbase, 

802
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,600
that takes cues from them about 
how to behave. 

803
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,400
I mean, this was one of the 
things that's hard to describe 

804
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,900
to people who didn't live 
through the night air and it is 

805
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,700
largely explains a lot of why 
people still have this. 

806
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,200
Like this devotion tonight as a 
figure and as a basketball coach

807
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,700
is because he, he had a gravitas
around the way that he expected 

808
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:41,000
people, rooting for the team to 
behave that, everybody just kind

809
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,100
of fell in line with that. 
And if you look at the coaches 

810
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:46,300
that Indiana has had in the last
20 years, whether it was Mike 

811
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:51,200
Davis or k Samson or Tom crean 
or Archie Miller, none of them 

812
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,300
really did that. 
None of them. 

813
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:55,700
Really. 
They either didn't try or when 

814
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:58,100
they did try it just didn't work
like it. 

815
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:00,700
What? 
Came out of their statements 

816
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,400
didn't resonate with the fans. 
The fans didn't have much trust 

817
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,600
in them. 
And you know, while Woodson 

818
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,000
still has to prove himself over 
the course of several seasons, I

819
00:41:10,008 --> 00:41:15,100
think as a basketball coach just
him coming out and saying, this 

820
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:16,500
is how we're going to approach 
things. 

821
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:18,800
This is how I want people to 
react. 

822
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:22,100
I do think is a really positive 
development in terms of the way 

823
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:25,800
that I use, because we've talked
about the so often Scott, you 

824
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,800
know, I you fandom IU media. 
It's vicious. 

825
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,300
Like, it's been a 20-year cycle 
of people, backbiting and 

826
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:37,400
talking bad about each other and
talking bad about players. 

827
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,500
And, you know, there's this 
constant conflict between 

828
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:43,400
different factions within the 
fan base and people fight over 

829
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,000
what they think is, right, or 
wrong. 

830
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:47,500
And look, we've been as guilty 
of that as anybody. 

831
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:52,700
Like, it's not like we're exempt
from having done this, but I do 

832
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:58,400
think that ultimately that has a
really negative impact on the 

833
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,400
overall. 
Overall image of Indiana, 

834
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,200
basketball, the relationship 
between fans and the players, 

835
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,000
the relationship between the 
players and the media. 

836
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:12,800
I mean, all of it is, it's kind 
of it toxic to use a word that I

837
00:42:12,808 --> 00:42:16,100
criticize people using yesterday
on Twitter, you know, there is a

838
00:42:16,107 --> 00:42:20,800
toxicity to that that is real 
and I admire Woodson's 

839
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,400
willingness and ability to just 
come in and say this isn't 

840
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,800
right. 
Stop doing this. 

841
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,700
And that's I think I make a big 
difference as far. 

842
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,000
Is how people evaluate what goes
on with this team? 

843
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,700
Because honestly, when things 
haven't gone, right? 

844
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:38,100
It's been a free-for-all 
criticizing this player or this 

845
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:41,100
coach or that, you know, I mean,
it's just this constant hamster,

846
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:44,800
wheel of negativity and 
something has to eventually put 

847
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,800
a stop to it. 
And I think that there's a good 

848
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,600
chance that this at least pushes
things in the right direction 

849
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:53,000
when it's so funny that you 
know, the the one of the 

850
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,800
narratives in April and May of 
this year, we kind of do a 

851
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:59,700
retrospective also is like, so 
it's Funny, you know, doing a 

852
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:02,800
little bit of a retrospective to
thinking, back to April and May 

853
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,600
how, you know, we hired Woodson.
We also hired five and then we 

854
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,700
hired Thad Matta. 
It was kind of like, well who's 

855
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:09,500
gonna be in charge? 
Like as you know, can Woodson 

856
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:11,200
lead? 
This could Woodson recruit like 

857
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:13,400
it's not going to be. 
We didn't know who was going to 

858
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,000
leave. 
This triumvirate is very quickly

859
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,600
been like, oh no Woodson's, the 
coach, like he's gonna be in 

860
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,300
charge, you'll fight has done 
some talking. 

861
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:23,300
He has done a good amount of 
talking but it's like, I don't 

862
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:25,900
think anybody could say, I'm not
sure who's in charge of Indiana 

863
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:29,300
basketball right now, like what 
sin is in charge and It's not 

864
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:32,300
the best metaphor, but it does 
feel like to your point with the

865
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:35,500
fans at times which is kind of 
like, you know, smack in the dog

866
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:36,800
on the nose like booing. 
No. 

867
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:39,500
No, we don't, we don't do that. 
Like we're not doing that here. 

868
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:40,800
Like I've been charged moving 
on. 

869
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,700
I like the comments about Parker
shirt, like, nope, like he's not

870
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:44,700
playing, that's it. 
Moving on. 

871
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:48,900
Like and it's, it comes from 
somebody who's secure who feels 

872
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:50,200
very comfortable with job. 
Who knows? 

873
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,100
Like, I'm not here to Pete, 
obviously, is proving wins, but 

874
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,100
like, I'm not here to prove 
anything to anybody. 

875
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,900
Like, I know I'm good. 
I've coached the NBA I'm good, 

876
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:01,400
and that's It's been nice to 
feel like a steadying hand on 

877
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,900
the wheel and it is, it's funny,
looking back, how so many of us 

878
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:07,000
were like, man, you have this 
like, bad modify. 

879
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,800
Fuck who's gonna be in charge 
and how sitting here? 

880
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,000
Now, I don't think that's a 
question at all. 

881
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,500
I think it's a very good thing 
that it does feel like, Woodson 

882
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:19,400
has his arms around all of what 
being a head coach in Indiana 

883
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,400
and Tails. 
So let's jump onto another 

884
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,600
question. 
I like that question. 

885
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,600
Dan. 
Thank you. 

886
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,200
Let's jump to a phone call that 
we got good Gentlemen of the 

887
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,100
Pod. 
Happy holidays. 

888
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:36,200
This is Chris from Bloomington 
has Rod fantasies recent 

889
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,700
consistent play giving you hope 
that he could foreseeably be a 

890
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:45,500
Potential Threat in the Big Ten 
season as we've all hoped all 

891
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:50,300
along or do we see him kind of 
retreat back into the shadows 

892
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:54,200
and Not play with consistency. 
Thanks. 

893
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:56,200
Thank you. 
Chris. 

894
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,700
Always a pleasure to hear from 
you. 

895
00:44:57,700 --> 00:44:59,200
You finish. 
These are really interesting 

896
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,100
case and we've touched on this a
little bit earlier with a tweet 

897
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:05,700
yesterday about how hit, you 
know, fantasies rediscovered 

898
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:09,700
offense, which is kind of an 
over simplification of things. 

899
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:13,300
But, you know, it's funny when 
you think about fennessy, we 

900
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:17,400
talked about his recent play, 
that's looked better in the last

901
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:22,400
three games and he's, you know, 
you played fairly well in all 

902
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,100
three. 
He's yet to exceed. 

903
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,300
An offensive rating of 100. 
So we still under a point per 

904
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:31,700
possession utilized, which is a 
problem. 

905
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,300
It really is. 
I mean, from a, from a point 

906
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:37,700
guard perspective, you don't 
necessarily need your point 

907
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:42,100
guard to be, you know, scoring 
constantly, but you need to have

908
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:46,500
more out of the point guard than
just assists. 

909
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:50,300
Now the, you know, now that 
said, I think that the Notre 

910
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:54,800
Dame and Northern Kentucky games
perhaps point to a Rob fantasy. 

911
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,000
That you can trust with 20 
minutes, a game, maybe more than

912
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,500
that, and a Rob fantasy, that's 
comfortable. 

913
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:05,100
With the first team. 
You're going to need that 

914
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:09,400
because I just, I envisioned 
this scenario where Xavier 

915
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,400
Johnson is just going to have 
games where he's not completely 

916
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,700
in it, mentally and emotionally.
I just, I'm still hesitant and 

917
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:20,600
I've been probably the most 
hesitant on fennessy of any 

918
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,000
player in terms of like feeling 
like he's going to be able to 

919
00:46:24,008 --> 00:46:27,600
make a huge contribution overall
on the season. 

920
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:30,400
He's still like just 
offensively. 

921
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:33,700
Just a very, very difficult guy 
to have out on the floor for any

922
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:36,700
length of time. 
He's only shooting 28% from to, 

923
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:41,400
you know, He's yes, he's he's 
dishing the ball out. 

924
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,000
But he's also turning the ball 
over. 

925
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,200
It's it's still a mixed bag for 
me. 

926
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,400
And I would like to say that 
he'll be able to build off of 

927
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,300
what he's done, the last couple 
of games and continue that 

928
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:56,500
process throughout the Big Ten 
season and maybe look, maybe 

929
00:46:56,500 --> 00:47:01,200
it's one of those situations 
where he's Going to have one of 

930
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,200
the like the last half of his 
senior year. 

931
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,300
He's going to really emerge 
Allah Todd Lindemann or 

932
00:47:05,308 --> 00:47:09,900
something like that. 
But at this point, I'm still a 

933
00:47:09,908 --> 00:47:12,800
little bit skeptical. 
I think that this team's 

934
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,300
ultimate ceiling is going to 
rise and fall over how 

935
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:19,800
controlled Xavier Johnson can be
in the times that he's on the 

936
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,300
floor. 
I think anything you're going to

937
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:24,400
get out of fantasy is a bonus, 
but I have a hard time counting 

938
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,900
on it at this point and it's 
going to take a lot of 

939
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:30,100
consistent performances for me 
to change my mind on that. 

940
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:35,000
Yeah, I'm eating the last run 
where he had, you know, six 

941
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,100
seven, eight games in a row of 
an offensive rating over 100. 

942
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:42,300
Was the end of his freshman year
and that's kind of been we've 

943
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:45,900
all been hoping to get again. 
As we saw that fantasy as 

944
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:49,700
freshman year and again, you 
know, not everyone hits a 

945
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:52,000
straight line trajectory like 
you don't just get better every 

946
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,900
single year and it might be that
that was the best. 

947
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:56,700
Rob Tennessee. 
We're going to see, I like you. 

948
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:58,100
I'd love to see him more 
consistent. 

949
00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:00,300
This team could definitely use 
it. 

950
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:04,000
But it the numbers, don't back 
it up. 

951
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,500
And but I hope for me. 
I'm hopeful. 

952
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,500
Yeah, it's just one of those 
things. 

953
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:11,800
I don't have a good answer. 
I mean, I've heard a lot of 

954
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,100
people talking about, you know, 
the, you know, you got obviously

955
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:20,000
injury issues or concussion 
issues early on at this point, 

956
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,200
you know, the his minutes have 
been cut almost in half from 

957
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,600
last year on the course, of the 
season. 

958
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,500
And yes, there were some 
injuries earlier on this year, 

959
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:30,600
but you're still talking about a
significant fall off in minutes 

960
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,400
and much. 
As you said earlier in 

961
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,300
discussing, Christian Lander 
situation. 

962
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,100
I don't think that that's 
accidental. 

963
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:40,200
I think that that's Woodson is 
being very situational and how 

964
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,300
he approaches these things and 
to some degree. 

965
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,100
It. 
Just what's fascinating about 

966
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:48,900
this team and I think to some 
degree. 

967
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:51,600
What's really exciting about 
this team is that there are 

968
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,000
minutes to be had and Woodson 
has shown if you perform well in

969
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,800
practice and you perform well in
the opportunities that you're 

970
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,000
given in games. 
I'm going to give you a chance 

971
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,400
to play, you know, I mean 
Michael dirr has gone from not 

972
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,200
playing at all early on and yes,
I know he had some injuries but 

973
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:11,100
He has pretty much locked down 
that like four to six minute 

974
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:15,000
stretch and he's doing what he 
needs to do out there. 

975
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,500
George Geronimo. 
Seeing, his minutes gradually 

976
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:21,900
increase Anthony Leal has seen 
his minutes gradually increase 

977
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:25,600
and, you know, so it's not a 
situation where Woodson's 

978
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,900
completely locked into his 
rotation and he's not going to 

979
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:30,100
change it. 
He really does seem to alter 

980
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,900
what he's doing based on how 
guys are performing, which is 

981
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,200
how it should be, you know, but 
it also indicates that there are

982
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,800
some performance. 
It's issues in players who 

983
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,800
otherwise you would look at and 
say this guy's talented. 

984
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,400
I understand why he's not 
playing anymore. 

985
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,100
And I think with fantasy, you 
know, he brings so much on the 

986
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:49,000
defensive end. 
Most of the time. 

987
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,000
It's just that you know, his 
offense can't allow like what he

988
00:49:54,008 --> 00:49:56,800
does on offense, can't overwhelm
what he does on defense. 

989
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,000
Negatively to the point that you
can't put him in that's going to

990
00:49:59,008 --> 00:50:00,500
be the big question mark moving 
forward. 

991
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:01,900
And while that has gotten 
better. 

992
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,000
I don't know if it's actually 
going to be something that you 

993
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,500
can rely on as competition gets 
harder. 

994
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:09,800
So over the course of the 
conference season, so we'll have

995
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,200
to see. 
And again, just just because 

996
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,600
he's a senior I look at, you 
know, may be unconventional, but

997
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,000
maybe some of our better point 
guard play could come from Like,

998
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,300
You Know, Tamar Bates and he's 
had some really good games. 

999
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:23,600
He's not a traditional point 
guard but to your point Woodson 

1000
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,200
seems to be trying different 
things. 

1001
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,400
You know, I think that if you're
looking at this team, that's 

1002
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,700
where I'd like to see, you know,
I think that's where you could 

1003
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:34,100
see more growth and hopefully, 
you know, get more growth out of

1004
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:36,900
a Tomar Bates type. 
I'd be really surprised if Bates

1005
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:38,900
ever. 
Played significant Minister. 

1006
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:42,000
He just he doesn't look to pass 
and I think that's something 

1007
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,200
we'll have to develop over time.
But it's just not there right 

1008
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,600
now. 
Like Michael dirr as a higher 

1009
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,100
assist rate than two more big 
database whereas right now, so 

1010
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:51,400
that that should tell you 
something right here. 

1011
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,100
Duras Point curse point guard. 
That's what we was what 

1012
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:55,400
everybody wants. 
It this point. 

1013
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,200
Yes. 
Let's switch gears. 

1014
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,200
We had a lot of questions on 
basketball, but man, we had a 

1015
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,100
lot of questions about football 
as well. 

1016
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:08,100
And we wanted to tackle a few of
those, you know, we Talked a bit

1017
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:10,200
with Taylor. 
Layman on the last podcast. 

1018
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,100
We talked a little bit about it.
So people are still curious 

1019
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:16,800
about this football team. 
So let's tackle some of these 

1020
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,200
from masaryk at this point. 
Is there any reasonable hope for

1021
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,400
the offensive line? 
Lat, next year? 

1022
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,200
Are we past the point where we 
could reasonably expect Allen or

1023
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,900
Bell to bring in a new offensive
line coach think the answer to 

1024
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:30,500
that is yes. 
There's not going to be a change

1025
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,300
at o-line coach as far as is 
there a reasonable question of 

1026
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:38,500
success for the offensive line. 
Next year. 

1027
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:44,900
Look, I think to some degree. 
It feels like they're not going 

1028
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:46,700
to bring in very many more 
Personnel. 

1029
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:51,000
If any on the offensive line, 
which I'm very puzzled by. 

1030
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:56,100
Yes, they bringing they bring in
three freshman offensive line 

1031
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,800
recruits and and they're they're
all pretty well regarded, but 

1032
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,500
it's a very dangerous 
proposition as we know to rely 

1033
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:08,800
on freshmen or or you know, 
young players like that to make 

1034
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,900
a big impact on offensive line. 
I mean, it's not just the 

1035
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:14,000
physical. 
Effects of playing the position.

1036
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:17,400
It's also the mental aspects of 
knowing what your role on the 

1037
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,700
line is, you know, is it 
possible that I you could still 

1038
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:24,800
go out and get some transfers? 
It's possible, but it feels like

1039
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,400
most of the offensive line 
transfer candidates. 

1040
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,900
That would significantly improve
the offensive line have already 

1041
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:36,500
committed to other schools. 
And so look, I think if you're 

1042
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:40,400
an observer of IU football, this
is a big area of concern and 

1043
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,300
honestly, if I had to guess, I'd
say that this is an area of 

1044
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:47,200
concern that's affecting the 
other major area of concern for 

1045
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,400
IU football on offense, which is
quarterback because Tom Allen 

1046
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,500
talked about on signing day that
the plan was to go sign a 

1047
00:52:55,508 --> 00:53:00,200
transfer quarterback and also 
sign a recruit. 

1048
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:04,000
And the problem is they've done 
neither so far and all of their 

1049
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,300
targets have ended up going to 
other places. 

1050
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:11,100
Tanner Bailey ends up at South 
Carolina, the kid ekiden slovis 

1051
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:16,700
from USC ends up at The kid from
Incarnate Word hasn't committed 

1052
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:18,200
anywhere yet. 
But you look at all of the 

1053
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,000
projections on where he's likely
to go and I use not in the top 

1054
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,600
five on any of those lists that 
I'm seeing. 

1055
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:27,500
And, you know, the more you 
think about, why would a 

1056
00:53:27,508 --> 00:53:31,500
quarterback from elsewhere want 
to come to Indiana? 

1057
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:33,800
What we do you have to? 
This is a question. 

1058
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,000
I asked Taylor on the last 
podcast if I was a quarterback 

1059
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,600
looking to transfer and I was 
sitting down with Walt Bell and 

1060
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,500
Tom Allen and I was like, well, 
why would I come? 

1061
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:45,100
To IU. 
The first two things I would 

1062
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:48,200
want to know, would be, what's 
the offensive line situation? 

1063
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,100
Is it going to be better than? 
It's been the last couple of 

1064
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:56,300
years and be Why have you had so
many problems developing and 

1065
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:58,900
maintaining your quarterbacks 
over the course of the last few 

1066
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:01,700
years because you're out in the 
market for a transfer 

1067
00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:04,600
quarterback, but you've got Jack
Tuttle on the bench. 

1068
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,700
It was a, I think a 4 Star 
Quarterback recruit originally. 

1069
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:12,500
When he went to Utah. 
You've got Donovan McCully, who 

1070
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:15,400
was a highly regarded recruit 
coming out of high school. 

1071
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,700
You had Michael panics and he 
has penix was injured. 

1072
00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:21,200
But hey, panics was gingered in 
part because his offensive line 

1073
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,200
was so bad that it kept getting 
hit in. 

1074
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:28,400
Times you've struggled as a 
program over the course of 

1075
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,600
really the last five or six 
years, having any sort of 

1076
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,300
consistency at the quarterback 
position. 

1077
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:37,000
Your most consistent quarterback
in that time was Peyton Ramsey 

1078
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,800
and Ramsey never made it through
an entire season as the lone 

1079
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,200
starter. 
So, why would I come to Indiana 

1080
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,500
to play quarterback, given the 
uncertainty and the instability 

1081
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:51,500
of the offensive line, but also 
given the way that quarterbacks 

1082
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:55,000
have not fared particularly 
well, Well, in Tom Allen's 

1083
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,200
various systems over the course 
of that time, so I know that 

1084
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:04,000
that answer dovetailed a bit but
it is a concern because I don't 

1085
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,700
see a lot of help for the 
offensive line and you're 

1086
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:11,400
basically relying on the already
existing structures of coaching 

1087
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,600
and development, which haven't 
really done a whole lot on the 

1088
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,000
offensive line. 
The last five years to somehow 

1089
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,800
make last year's disastrous 
offensive line. 

1090
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,600
Better next year. 
I'm just not seeing it right now

1091
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,000
Scott and I hope I'm wrong, but 
I'm just Not seeing it at this 

1092
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,500
point. 
So I listened to your pod with 

1093
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:29,100
Taylor was really good stuff. 
But I was thinking, almost the 

1094
00:55:29,107 --> 00:55:33,300
exact same thing the whole time 
that, you know, last season or 

1095
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:35,900
being, you know, this season 
this Co all were talking about 

1096
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:38,300
in last couple years, always 
been offensive, line play. 

1097
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:40,200
It's like, all right. 
Well, you know, we have some 

1098
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,300
good runs like we just can't get
the running game going, their 

1099
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,000
offensive line, cannot get it 
done. 

1100
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:45,500
I will. 
Again. 

1101
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:48,500
I know we talked about this in a
couple of PODS ago, but please, 

1102
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:50,800
if you have not go read the 
punt, John punt article. 

1103
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,100
I think it's called one firing 
isn't enough. 

1104
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,100
If it's just great stuff, but 
again Hiller, you know has had 

1105
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:00,400
13 high school recruits. 
Only one of them is turned into 

1106
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,600
a starter. 
So he hasn't shown an ability to

1107
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,800
get this better. 
You know, it's it, you haven't 

1108
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,800
addressed it. 
Like you haven't brought in 

1109
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,200
high-level Talent, you know, you
have a coach who doesn't seem to

1110
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,400
be able to recruit at a high 
level and can't get low level 

1111
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,900
recruits to a medium. 
You can't move them up a level 

1112
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:19,400
and the numbers continue to get 
bad. 

1113
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,300
So there's nothing to tell you 
that offensive line play is 

1114
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:24,900
going to be better. 
Um and the other problem we had,

1115
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:27,500
you know, every seems like every
couple, you know, last year and 

1116
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:30,600
every year is, you know, 
quarterback play and it's like, 

1117
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,700
all right. 
Well, you know a line can't 

1118
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:32,900
block on our quarterbacks aren't
good. 

1119
00:56:32,900 --> 00:56:34,900
So what do you do when it's like
that's kind of what our Seasons 

1120
00:56:34,900 --> 00:56:37,600
turn into. 
And it feels like when we're 

1121
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,700
talking and you know, I'm not 
trying to piss on the parade so 

1122
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:42,100
to speak. 
But it's like all the rest of 

1123
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:44,100
this. 
Hey top, 20, recruiting class 

1124
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:46,200
and all these guys, the top 
transfer critique was like, all 

1125
00:56:46,207 --> 00:56:48,300
right, that's all fun shiny 
stuff. 

1126
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,100
But like, in November we're 
going to be talking about Lyme 

1127
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:54,500
playing quarterback play and We 
haven't solved any of those 

1128
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:58,900
problems and to me that's really
concerning and you could be in 

1129
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:00,800
the same position. 
We were in this year where we 

1130
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,000
had a pretty good receiving 
Corps who just couldn't get him 

1131
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,900
the ball and some cases guys and
receiving Corps couldn't catch 

1132
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:09,700
the ball. 
But you know, and by the way, 

1133
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:11,200
you still think you didn't 
mention either. 

1134
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,500
It's like who's our running 
back? 

1135
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:15,500
Like we're talking about you 
know, like and that's the other 

1136
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:17,600
thing too is like that's again. 
The question I would have is you

1137
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,600
could look at the guy we got 
from Auburn's like that's great,

1138
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,600
you know his numbers or be 
projects. 

1139
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:23,000
It's kind of like a Stephen 
Carr. 

1140
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,500
Where All right, you know you 
see the car was pretty good 

1141
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:27,100
recruits. 
Okay at USC, but it's like if we

1142
00:57:27,107 --> 00:57:29,000
don't have wine blocking like 
what good is it? 

1143
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,700
You know, you need somebody who 
can basically, I need to get, 

1144
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,600
you know, a version of Christian
Okoye, a and Darren Sproles. 

1145
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,700
The backfield was just I don't 
see him in, you know, in the 

1146
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:40,700
transfer portal right now. 
I don't see him coming to IU. 

1147
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:44,100
So to me it's like these are the
two biggest problems is what we 

1148
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:49,400
always talked about. 
And it is baffling to me that 

1149
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:52,600
Allen Dolson that everybody just
allowed. 

1150
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:55,500
We're just To change one thing 
in our offense and that's going 

1151
00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:58,700
to be the offensive coordinator 
and everything else is good to 

1152
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:00,900
go. 
To me, that's baffling. 

1153
00:58:01,100 --> 00:58:03,900
And I think next year. 
We're going to pay the price for

1154
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:05,100
it. 
I just don't see how our low 

1155
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:08,600
whine play is better because 
there's nothing that suggests. 

1156
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,300
It's going to get better and it 
looks like we're going to start 

1157
00:58:10,300 --> 00:58:11,600
the season with tuttle's 
quarterback. 

1158
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,200
So there you go. 
It's going to be fascinating. 

1159
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,100
And look. 
I mean, it's just at this point.

1160
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:21,600
I think for a lot of people and 
I think you and I are probably 

1161
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,800
like, we're in this category. 
It's a lot of trust was lost in 

1162
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,200
the off season last year when 
these things should have been 

1163
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,900
addressed offensive line should 
have been addressed from a 

1164
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:37,300
position of strength and they 
weren't and it feel it felt like

1165
00:58:37,300 --> 00:58:39,700
well, you know, everything 
seemed to go great in the 

1166
00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:42,000
offseason and then the actual 
season rolled around and 

1167
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,600
everything went completely off 
the rails. 

1168
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,700
Now, is it possible that there's
some restructuring of the way 

1169
00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:52,500
that things are done and that 
players end up operating better.

1170
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,700
Under a new overall offensive 
scheme and a new overall 

1171
00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:59,200
offensive coordinator. 
And that the position coaches 

1172
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,200
don't have as much of an impact 
I guess. 

1173
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,600
But that is kind of fanciful 
thinking when you think about, 

1174
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:08,800
you know, how you seem to think 
about this stuff and a bunch of 

1175
00:59:08,808 --> 00:59:10,600
other places, a bunch of other 
schools. 

1176
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,600
So, yeah, I don't know what the 
answer is on that front. 

1177
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,900
I'm curious to see what occurs 
but it's something to keep an 

1178
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:18,100
eye on. 
We had a couple of similar 

1179
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:19,300
questions. 
From football. 

1180
00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:23,100
Master night asked is IU 
football complete for next year.

1181
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,800
Or are there some items on their
Christmas list? 

1182
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,400
Still Bronson Hayes asked, what 
does success look like for the 

1183
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,800
2022 vintage of IU football and 
for Tom, Allen and staff. 

1184
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,600
So first of all, I don't think 
the roster shouldn't be 

1185
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:37,800
complete. 
At this point. 

1186
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:42,600
They have to pull somebody in at
quarterback to at least compete 

1187
00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:46,500
with Jack Tuttle and give I you 
a legitimate backup quarterback 

1188
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:48,900
that can be utilized throughout 
the course of this upcoming 

1189
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:50,500
season. 
Because I'll I've said this, I 

1190
00:59:50,508 --> 00:59:51,900
said it during the regular 
season. 

1191
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:55,500
I'll say it again. 
Then I do not think Donovan. 

1192
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:59,500
McAuley is at the point 
physically, where he's going to 

1193
00:59:59,508 --> 01:00:01,200
be effective at throwing the 
football. 

1194
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,000
Now, maybe he can pick all that 
up during the off-season, you 

1195
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,100
know, and certainly I'd be 
willing to give him the benefit 

1196
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:11,200
of the doubt on trying but 
because so much of McCully 

1197
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,000
strength is in his ability to 
run the ball. 

1198
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:17,100
You don't have a line, he can 
run behind like you don't have 

1199
01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:19,300
effective blocking. 
We have no clue what Indiana's 

1200
01:00:19,300 --> 01:00:23,000
got coming in in terms of tight 
ends or wide receivers. 

1201
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:26,400
So you can't really count on 
that and their whole running 

1202
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,500
back room is likely going to 
change or large sections of. 

1203
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:31,900
It will at least, you know, 
you've got this. 

1204
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:35,200
The kid chivers from out from 
from Auburn coming in. 

1205
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,000
You've got the kid from North 
Carolina coming in. 

1206
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,600
There's just a lot of mystery at
this point. 

1207
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,900
Jack Tuttle. 
Theoretically, should be the 

1208
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:46,100
starting quarterback coming into
this income. 

1209
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:51,500
This this 2022 season and yet 
you'd really be hard-pressed to 

1210
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:54,300
point it. 
You can point to To his courage 

1211
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,400
from you know, playing the 
Outback Bowl with essentially 

1212
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,200
what look like a separated 
shoulder and you can salute him 

1213
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,800
for that. 
You can salute him for a gutty 

1214
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:06,900
win against Wisconsin, where his
stats probably should have been 

1215
01:01:06,900 --> 01:01:08,500
better. 
If Mi Marshall had to drop that 

1216
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:14,900
pass, but the reality is his 
overall play hasn't inspired 

1217
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:17,900
very much at all. 
In terms of, wow. 

1218
01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:20,300
I'm excited to have this player 
as our starting quarterback. 

1219
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:24,100
He kind of reminds me of of G 
Mertz to Degree the kid from 

1220
01:01:24,100 --> 01:01:28,100
Wisconsin, who everybody rushed 
to anoint as the starter and 

1221
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:30,100
then you actually look at 
mertzes Stats and you're like 

1222
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:32,700
Yeah, by and large. 
This is not what you want. 

1223
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:35,700
You go back to that Michigan 
State game, or total did start 

1224
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:41,200
and or maybe actually yeah, he 
did start that game and he just 

1225
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,900
didn't play well and, you know, 
you think with slightly better 

1226
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:45,800
quarterback play does Indiana. 
Win that game. 

1227
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,800
Does it turn the season around a
little bit? 

1228
01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:49,600
So again, much like one and 
real. 

1229
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,800
So, enjoy do been like the thing
that is going to really annoy 

1230
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,300
me. 
As if they just go in but hey, 

1231
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:55,600
no, you know what color he is 
getting better. 

1232
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,300
Todd looks good. 
Like, you know, we decided 

1233
01:01:57,300 --> 01:01:59,100
that's the plan. 
It's like, all right, but you 

1234
01:01:59,107 --> 01:02:02,200
need a quarterback because if 
you again, it keeps kind of 

1235
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,900
coming back to this Trope. 
If you haven't improved, lime 

1236
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:07,200
play, and it doesn't seem as 
going to be the case. 

1237
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:09,600
You're going to have Ohio State 
all over again. 

1238
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,900
We're total runs a nice drive, 
but then he gets crushed in a 

1239
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:15,900
play because you can't protect 
him like tunnel, will get hurt. 

1240
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:18,300
Whoever, I starting quarterback 
is next year, more likely will 

1241
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:21,100
get hurt. 
So it's like I it's going to be 

1242
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:23,000
frustrating when we get to 
September October. 

1243
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,500
Cobra and then it's like oh my 
gosh, I who would have known her

1244
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:27,900
quarterback would've been hurts.
Like hey, I did like I could 

1245
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:29,900
tell you it's going to happen. 
So then suddenly when you're 

1246
01:02:29,900 --> 01:02:32,600
stuck with McCauley and then 
we're pulling off your Walk-Ons.

1247
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,100
Again. 
It's like out who could have who

1248
01:02:34,100 --> 01:02:37,600
could have foreseen this, like 
everybody can because our 

1249
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,200
quarterbacks always get hurt 
because our line sucks and I 

1250
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,200
don't want to keep coming back 
to bed. 

1251
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,400
That's why I say, can you make 
it? 

1252
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,300
Can you do something about it, 
but we have it. 

1253
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:47,600
But I mean that's that's the 
frustrating part is like, you 

1254
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,600
need somebody to bring somebody 
in to not only pushed other but 

1255
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,900
just you don't need more bodies.
You're gonna need five quarter. 

1256
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:55,800
Max next year, right? 
Because it happens every single 

1257
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:56,800
year. 
It happened this year. 

1258
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,500
So everything you're saying is 
dead-on, but it's going to be 

1259
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:03,200
very frustrating when they're 
going to kind of play the oh who

1260
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,600
could have known Carly coming. 
You can't foresee injuries like 

1261
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,300
from yeah, and I you football 
you can. 

1262
01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:10,100
Yeah, prefer quarterback total 
tunnel in that Michigan State 

1263
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:15,600
game was 28 for 52 to 53 percent
completion percentage 54% 188 

1264
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,100
yards. 
So a yards per attempt of three 

1265
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:20,900
point six zero touchdowns two 
interceptions. 

1266
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,000
One of them was a pick six. 
I mean it Just there's not a 

1267
01:03:24,008 --> 01:03:26,500
good performance and, you know, 
granted that was the only game. 

1268
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:31,400
He we saw a full Jack title game
in, but that's, there's not a 

1269
01:03:31,408 --> 01:03:34,900
lot to recommend on that, I 
guess is my concern. 

1270
01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:37,200
And so, I think about moving 
forward. 

1271
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:41,300
What exactly the dogs agree with
me on this is, you can hear ya. 

1272
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:45,300
The way that I you goes into the
season. 

1273
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,800
You've got Tuttle, you've got 
McAuley who, you know, I just 

1274
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:54,000
quoted Tuttle stats and the 
colors were Efficiently worse, 

1275
01:03:54,700 --> 01:04:01,800
we do wear for the season. 
Macaulay was 35, 482 for 43%, He

1276
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,800
threw for a total of four 
hundred and seventy-five yards. 

1277
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,300
Two touchdowns two interceptions
just was basically 

1278
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,200
non-functional in the passing 
game for the time that it was in

1279
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,100
there. 
And yes, he was a freshman but 

1280
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,200
it just really kind of makes 
your head scratch. 

1281
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,100
So anyway, going back to the 
question. 

1282
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:25,800
Yes, you have to, you have to 
find somebody that you can bring

1283
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,200
it, at the very least. 
Like you said to add to the 

1284
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,700
collection of quarterbacks who 
can compete for a job, who can 

1285
01:04:33,700 --> 01:04:36,300
be a solid backup if he doesn't 
win the job. 

1286
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,600
And you also still need to do 
some things on, I think, 

1287
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,100
certainly, the offensive line. 
You probably need to do 

1288
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:44,200
something in the linebacking 
corps, as well. 

1289
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,500
As Indiana is lost. 
Another player to the portal. 

1290
01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:49,200
James Miller entered the portal 
a couple of days ago. 

1291
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:51,500
So there's still some patches to
fill now. 

1292
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:54,200
Going back to the larger. 
Question of, what does success 

1293
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,800
look like for Indiana football 
in 2022 and they got to get back

1294
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,300
to a bowl. 
They don't have to get back to a

1295
01:05:01,300 --> 01:05:04,600
great Bowl, you know, but I 
think at the very least, they 

1296
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:10,200
have to win six games and get 
themselves into a bowl game 

1297
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:13,800
because otherwise, you put 
yourself behind the eight ball 

1298
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,700
Because unless schedules changed
significantly, which they 

1299
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:21,300
probably not going to your back 
to a situation in 2023. 

1300
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:26,100
Where you're playing five games 
on the road, you're in the Big 

1301
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:29,400
10, you know, that you've got a 
window here, where the schedule 

1302
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,700
is very favorable in 2022. 
You've got a nice recruiting 

1303
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:37,500
class that you've been able to 
generate off of this year or at 

1304
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:39,800
least the recruiting efforts 
that led into this year. 

1305
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:43,900
So, you have to maintain that 
momentum somehow. 

1306
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:49,500
And I just I feel like anything 
less than what any less than six

1307
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:53,800
wins in the regular season is To
be a real disappointment and, 

1308
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,900
and really makes you question. 
Okay, is this thing recoverable?

1309
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,500
Can you get it back to the 
levels that it was at in 2019 

1310
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:02,400
and 2020? 
Or has Indiana managed to be 

1311
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,700
eclipsed. 
Once again, not just by Michigan

1312
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:11,600
State but maybe even by Rutgers 
who is like they were not Bowl 

1313
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,200
eligible, but I think they're 
about to go to a bowl there, 

1314
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,600
right on the doorstep. 
And you know, Greg Schiano has 

1315
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,600
indicated as not indicated, but 
he has demonstrated over the 

1316
01:06:20,607 --> 01:06:22,800
course of time. 
He's going to be able to build 

1317
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,800
up his recruits. 
Well enough that they're going 

1318
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,200
to be somewhat successful to the
point that you cannot. 

1319
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,200
Look at that Rutgers game 
anymore and say, that's a game 

1320
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,300
Indiana's clearly going to win. 
They obviously, didn't this 

1321
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:35,600
year, and they got to go to 
Piscataway next year. 

1322
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:40,100
Yeah, I mean to me, I've been 
saying this for a while, like 

1323
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:43,600
this is the schedule next year 
that we have, we should start 

1324
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,100
the season 6 and 1 like we 
should be Bowl eligible after 

1325
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:49,000
that Rutgers game. 
And you kind of have to be 

1326
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,700
because your first four big ten 
games are North Western, 

1327
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:56,400
Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, 
you're at Nebraska and a 

1328
01:06:56,408 --> 01:06:57,900
trucker's. 
That's about as good as it's 

1329
01:06:57,900 --> 01:06:59,700
gonna get. 
I mean, in the end, like, you 

1330
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:02,100
know, you as you've mentioned 
like you can't just Chuck a 

1331
01:07:02,100 --> 01:07:04,300
broker's game as win, but like 
in the flip side, we play the 

1332
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:07,200
Big 10 East, like we do, So 
there's good years and bad 

1333
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,500
years. 
It's pretty good. 

1334
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,900
The schedule ends with Ohio, 
State Penn State, Michigan, 

1335
01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:14,200
Michigan, State Purdue. 
That sucks. 

1336
01:07:14,300 --> 01:07:18,000
But it ends with that. 
You got to be at six wins, going

1337
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,200
into that. 
You just have to be so you got 

1338
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,800
to be six in one maybe five and 
two and just hope for something 

1339
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,700
to nice to happen. 
But if you're five until you get

1340
01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:29,700
some momentum, but you you got 
to win five of the first seven 

1341
01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:31,500
games. 
And if you do that, they'll be 

1342
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:34,400
some momentum and now you're in 
the right foot, but if you go 

1343
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,200
three and four to And two and 
three. 

1344
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,500
And those game like it's over. 
This is not going to happen and 

1345
01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:41,500
you gotta get that into your 
point. 

1346
01:07:41,500 --> 01:07:44,400
Yeah, like you get to 2023. 
I hate to give you hate when I 

1347
01:07:44,408 --> 01:07:46,300
start going future, but you 
mentioned it. 

1348
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,300
You know, your first Big Ten 
game is, you know, against Ohio 

1349
01:07:49,300 --> 01:07:52,100
State and then you also play 
Penn State. 

1350
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,500
Maryland, Rutgers me of 
Illinois, but then you finish 

1351
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:56,000
with Michigan state, Wisconsin, 
Michigan. 

1352
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,500
Purdue. 
It just gets tougher. 

1353
01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:01,900
Like, this is the, this is the 
nicest Runway to start a season 

1354
01:08:01,900 --> 01:08:05,500
next next year, or so. 
You know, it's tough because 

1355
01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:07,800
there's going to be a lot of 
questions like as it stands 

1356
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,000
right now. 
Somebody's be answered. 

1357
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,700
But no matter what our starting 
quarterback is either going to 

1358
01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:14,100
be new or somebody that has a 
lot of questions coming out of 

1359
01:08:14,107 --> 01:08:17,300
this year are starting running. 
Back is going to be new are 

1360
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,100
wide. 
Receiving Corps is going to be 

1361
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:21,300
all new. 
Unfortunately. 

1362
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:24,500
Our offensive line coach will be
the same, but our offensive 

1363
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:26,899
coordinator is going to be a lot
of question marks, but it's like

1364
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:32,399
you you've burned all of the 
equity and Goodwill to just it 

1365
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:35,100
doesn't matter like all of that.
Does it matter? 

1366
01:08:35,100 --> 01:08:37,300
You have seven games? 
You got to win, six of them? 

1367
01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:40,000
Yeah, and to me that's that's 
what next season is about. 

1368
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,899
You start the season with seven 
games. 

1369
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:45,399
You gotta win six because you 
figure, you might lose out after

1370
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:48,100
you start that Ohio, state run, 
which is fine. 

1371
01:08:48,100 --> 01:08:53,399
If you go 6 and 6 and you make a
bowl, it's, you know, when you 

1372
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:55,200
look across, I mean, look, I 
think there's a lot of things to

1373
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,700
be excited about with IU 
football. 

1374
01:08:56,700 --> 01:09:00,500
May not sound like it from what 
we're saying, but you know, so I

1375
01:09:00,500 --> 01:09:02,700
Kevin deal. 
Ask how many freshmen are likely

1376
01:09:02,700 --> 01:09:05,200
to make an instant impact. 
I mean, it's Hard to say on that

1377
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,100
front. 
I do think that, you know, you 

1378
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:11,200
got one or two defensive 
freshman, that could make a 

1379
01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:14,200
positive impact you notice. 
On the color, could make a 

1380
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,899
positive impact right away. 
But, you know, football is 

1381
01:09:17,899 --> 01:09:22,000
really one of those games where 
by and large your, you got to 

1382
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,000
develop players, don't make you 
Jim, you're gonna have to 

1383
01:09:24,008 --> 01:09:26,399
develop players, a couple of 
years before they're really able

1384
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:30,399
to step in and, and, and have a 
huge impact on what's going on 

1385
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,800
with the team. 
And that's that's just kind of 

1386
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,500
the reality of things. 
So it's just going to be a team 

1387
01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:39,800
that's, you know, in a weird 
spot and, you know, while I 

1388
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:44,000
think that I you and Tom Allen 
deserve a lot of credit for the 

1389
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,300
work. 
They've done in the transfer 

1390
01:09:45,300 --> 01:09:46,700
market. 
I think they've short up the 

1391
01:09:46,700 --> 01:09:49,100
defensive line and the transfer 
market. 

1392
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:52,399
I think they've they've 
addressed some of the skill 

1393
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:56,400
positions on offense. 
There's just enough major spots 

1394
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,400
on this team that you're still 
scratching your head about a 

1395
01:09:59,407 --> 01:10:02,100
little bit. 
It makes you wonder about what 

1396
01:10:02,100 --> 01:10:04,200
they're going to roll in the 
next season with now, all that. 

1397
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:07,700
It said everything lays out next
year where they should be able 

1398
01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:12,900
to win six or seven games even, 
you know, and it'll they just 

1399
01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:16,800
could be not as good as people 
think they are and still win 

1400
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,200
those six or seven games. 
But there's also a very clear 

1401
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,200
possibility on the schedule for 
next year where they don't do 

1402
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,800
that, you know, because the 
chances are Nebraska's not going

1403
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,600
to be quite as bad as they were 
last year. 

1404
01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:33,700
Rutgers is going to be a fairly 
good team next year overall. 

1405
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,300
You know how far to Cincinnati 
fall off is, you know, it'll 

1406
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:41,400
fall off that much is Maryland, 
you know friskier next year. 

1407
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,300
You know, that's a that's a 
Maryland team that Indiana 

1408
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:46,600
couldn't beat this year. 
So, you know, what is it? 

1409
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,000
What's going to be different 
about it next year? 

1410
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,000
Other than the game being at 
home, and you still got to play 

1411
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,600
a Northwestern, have another 
bad. 

1412
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,000
Yeah, or could, they could they 
bounce back when they seemed 

1413
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,200
always, and you still have a 
four-game stretch next year. 

1414
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,700
They got to go at Ohio State 
Penn State at home, Michigan at 

1415
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:03,900
home at Michigan State. 
And you'd be hard-pressed even 

1416
01:11:03,900 --> 01:11:07,900
with the Changes on this roster 
to look at Indiana and say, you 

1417
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:10,500
are in a position where you 
could beat any one of those 

1418
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:14,200
teams, let alone multiple of 
those teams. 

1419
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:18,000
And and that is. 
So it is a, it is a challenge. 

1420
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:22,000
It's always a challenge in the 
Big Ten and I hope that Indiana 

1421
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,000
has made some internal shifts in
what they're doing. 

1422
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,400
I just I still don't have a good
sense of what this team looks 

1423
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:33,700
like with all of the transfers 
and with all of the change that 

1424
01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:35,700
I, you is Dealing with at this 
point. 

1425
01:11:35,700 --> 01:11:39,600
It's really hard to get a bead 
on what reasonable expectations 

1426
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,200
are for that group. 
But I do know that 

1427
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,800
programmatically speaking 
reasonable expectations, are 

1428
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:48,200
this too intense. 
Season was a blip on the radar. 

1429
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,000
You got to get back to six or 
seven or eight wins next year. 

1430
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,800
Because if you don't, you really
got a question the overall 

1431
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,700
direction of things at this 
stage and I've never been a fan 

1432
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:59,900
of this this saying, but I do 
think it kind of stands here 

1433
01:11:59,900 --> 01:12:02,400
that, you know, like melt 
soccer, a tough hand to play at 

1434
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,000
Michigan State. 
You figure out a way to bring 

1435
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,100
that to Team back and they seem 
to be in a good spot kind of 

1436
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:11,800
rise in the right way. 
You know, this is there's not a 

1437
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,200
lot of easy answers for Tom 
Allen here to figure it out. 

1438
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,400
But like this is why you're 
making the big money now, like 

1439
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,700
you, you got to figure it out 
like you've got to figure out a 

1440
01:12:18,708 --> 01:12:21,900
way to get this done. 
And again, it just kind of comes

1441
01:12:21,900 --> 01:12:24,500
down to the results and you've 
got to find a way to win, six 

1442
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:27,700
games next year or come really 
damn close. 

1443
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,900
Yeah, because yeah, you go, you 
go 3 and 9 or 4 and 8. 

1444
01:12:31,900 --> 01:12:34,200
It's you're going the wrong 
direction. 

1445
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,900
It's like now, it's like you 
gotta make that money like you 

1446
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:38,000
make the big money, figure it 
out. 

1447
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,100
You got to find a way to figure 
it out. 

1448
01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:43,400
It can be done. 
I got enough food questions that

1449
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,700
I think I'm not going to answer 
them on this podcast. 

1450
01:12:45,700 --> 01:12:47,600
I'm actually going to split 
those out to a different 

1451
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,100
podcast, which I'll record some 
time between now and the new 

1452
01:12:50,100 --> 01:12:55,000
year just because we've already 
gone almost an hour, 20, we 

1453
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,500
might as well kind of cut this 
short. 

1454
01:12:56,500 --> 01:12:59,000
I don't want to tax people's 
attention to much as we lead 

1455
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,400
into Christmas. 
So, for those of you that asked 

1456
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,600
food or drink or be Town 
related, which means I'm going 

1457
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,600
to get to those next time. 
Be sure to keep an eye on the 

1458
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,300
feed as well. 
Release something sometime in 

1459
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:12,700
the next week on that Scott. 
Let's go ahead and wrap up any 

1460
01:13:12,700 --> 01:13:15,900
final thoughts from you before 
we finish things off today. 

1461
01:13:16,900 --> 01:13:19,800
Now, I mean, what a, you know, 
it's funny. 

1462
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,800
We started the year kind of 
thinking we were hitting the 

1463
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,800
Golden Age of IU Sports, looking
at football and basketball and 

1464
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,000
football, didn't fully hold up, 
their end of the bargain. 

1465
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,800
I've often said, imagine how 
bummed we would be if we, you 

1466
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,100
know, for Those who the fifth, 
you who didn't want to fire 

1467
01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:38,800
Archie, you know, imagine if we 
sold our Chi as our coach, we 

1468
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,500
had that kind of malaise and 
basketball. 

1469
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:41,600
We had what's going on in 
football. 

1470
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,300
Like, this could be the dark 
coming back in the dark days. 

1471
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:47,200
I mean, at least we have some 
Hope on the basketball side and 

1472
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,300
like you said, there's still 
some good news coming out of 

1473
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:51,900
football. 
I'm just a lot of other work to 

1474
01:13:51,907 --> 01:13:55,400
be done. 
So, you know, it's been it's 

1475
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,700
been a wild year. 
I mean again you think of where 

1476
01:13:57,700 --> 01:14:00,100
we were a year ago, we were 
fired up for you know, we were 

1477
01:14:00,100 --> 01:14:01,900
all Riding High. 
We're taking the Big Ten patch 

1478
01:14:01,900 --> 01:14:04,100
off our logo or getting ready 
for the Outback. 

1479
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,800
Bowl, you know, and in that 
time, we played a bowl game. 

1480
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,900
We've had a new coach, we've had
a new basketball coach search, a

1481
01:14:10,907 --> 01:14:13,300
lot of stuff has happened. 
So it's been a, it's been quite 

1482
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:16,400
a year. 
I will end with this just a 

1483
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,000
shout out. 
One of the coolest things that's

1484
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,000
happened on this podcast in 
quite a while. 

1485
01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:22,500
We got a tweet. 
I'm going to call her out by 

1486
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:27,600
Denali on a Hansen at Aliana 04.
She's an Iowa fan. 

1487
01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:31,200
She heard me on the washtub 
Walk-Ons podcast and has been 

1488
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,200
listening ever since. 
Like I mentioned some, Iowa 

1489
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,100
thing in life. 
Cast with Ed Fang about like I, 

1490
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:38,100
you know, I would fans of 
listening and she tweeted like, 

1491
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:41,800
oh, I'm listening ever since 
that, which is mind boggling. 

1492
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,900
So I lie on, if you're listening
of a, I love it. 

1493
01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:48,600
Thank you for listening. 
You know, by the way, come on 

1494
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,800
over like red and white would 
look great on you. 

1495
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,700
Like you are more than welcome 
to be a fan. 

1496
01:14:53,300 --> 01:14:56,300
You know, when you're in Carver 
Hawkeye or kinnock you're 

1497
01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:58,300
allowed to wear red. 
Well for you guys already 

1498
01:14:58,300 --> 01:15:00,900
terrible, the, the stripes, you 
know, we're in different 

1499
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:02,600
divisions. 
You can have a team in each 

1500
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:03,500
division. 
It's fine. 

1501
01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:04,300
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1502
01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:05,800
Yeah. 
I'm like, I'm like, I'm like a 

1503
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,500
stealth Minnesota fan, you know.
And nobody knows that. 

1504
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:10,200
So I'm kidding. 
I'm actually not. 

1505
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,200
But anyway, go ahead, I gotta 
just so it's cool that she's 

1506
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,600
been listening to Indiana, an 
Indiana related pot. 

1507
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,100
I listened to some of the 
washdown guys. 

1508
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:20,800
I listen to their post game just
to kind of rub it in that the 

1509
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,900
ass-kicking we got. 
But it's just a shout. 

1510
01:15:22,900 --> 01:15:24,600
I love hearing that. 
It's like that's almost one of 

1511
01:15:24,608 --> 01:15:27,100
the best things I've gotten on 
this podcast of the while that 

1512
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:29,600
an Iowa fan is like, I'm still 
listening because I like you 

1513
01:15:29,608 --> 01:15:31,100
guys, so that's awesome. 
So, you know what? 

1514
01:15:31,100 --> 01:15:33,400
Just I will will do more Iowa 
talk. 

1515
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,200
We'll do a little more. 
I talk a look at them, you know,

1516
01:15:36,208 --> 01:15:39,000
a little more in basketball 
season, but not that was very 

1517
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,300
cool. 
But no, it's been a another 

1518
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:44,300
great year man. 
Um, you know, it's it was while 

1519
01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:46,900
I was thinking of the crossroads
like geez, you know, if you were

1520
01:15:46,900 --> 01:15:49,300
to told me this is gonna go on, 
you know, it started under 

1521
01:15:49,300 --> 01:15:50,900
Creed's. 
Okay, we're going to to more 

1522
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:53,400
coaches coaching the crossroads 
over the next ten years. 

1523
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,100
It's like wild. 
So wonder where we'll be in 10 

1524
01:15:56,100 --> 01:15:58,500
years from now, but I will 
probably still be still be 

1525
01:15:58,500 --> 01:16:02,400
podcasting and dogs barking in 
the background and Good Times 

1526
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,000
the yeah, you know, just kind of
keeping Get it rolling. 

1527
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,300
It was always a pleasure doing 
the show with you. 

1528
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:10,200
And yes always a pleasure 
hearing from all you folks for 

1529
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,000
those who ask questions that we 
couldn't get to I apologize. 

1530
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,300
We try to get to as many while 
also having a back-and-forth and

1531
01:16:16,300 --> 01:16:19,600
a normal conversation during the
course of a podcast. 

1532
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,300
But look in general. 
It's been a fun year. 

1533
01:16:22,300 --> 01:16:27,600
It's been an interesting year, 
you know, I think it's hard to 

1534
01:16:27,700 --> 01:16:31,700
with the pandemic, put 
everything into perspective, you

1535
01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:34,100
know, it was a year that from an
IU Athletics. 

1536
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:36,900
Activia, you know, the soccer 
team made it to the college Cup 

1537
01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:41,800
Final and that was exciting to 
see women's basketball had its 

1538
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,600
greatest season ever. 
And in may be embarking on a 

1539
01:16:45,608 --> 01:16:49,600
season that ends up being better
than that, but on the flip side,

1540
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,700
I you men's basketball went 12 
and 15. 

1541
01:16:51,700 --> 01:16:54,300
You fire a coach. 
You got a new coach in, you've 

1542
01:16:54,300 --> 01:16:58,000
got this big change over and IU 
football had, you know, one of 

1543
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,900
their two or three, most 
disappointing seasons in program

1544
01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:05,200
history, so a mixed bag to say 
the least with Eiu Athletics, 

1545
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but it's been fun talking about 
it all. 

1546
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And it's been a pleasure. 
And obviously, the big news for 

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us from a business perspective, 
was the partnership with 

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assembly call and with Tony and 
Rania with the back home 

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network. 
So we appreciate all of those 

1550
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folks and all the things that 
they do to make things run. 

1551
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We are far less of a 
professionalized output or 

1552
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Outlet than than assembly call 
is. 

1553
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They've done so many awesome 
things throughout the course of 

1554
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their time and we kind of just 
podcast when we're both 

1555
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:36,400
available, which As in our 
current roles is increasingly 

1556
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,300
less, but it's been fun trying 
to try to make it work. 

1557
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:45,100
And so thanks to Jarrod and and 
Andy and Ryan and coach and all 

1558
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:47,500
those folks over there. 
And obviously, thanks to Tony 

1559
01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:50,500
who we've known for a long time.
And, you know, we had them on, 

1560
01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:52,600
you know, back in the old days. 
It's great to see him doing so 

1561
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,600
well, so thanks to all you folks
for following along whether you 

1562
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,600
subscribe and they're not on 
Twitter at all. 

1563
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,500
You're the Smart Ones, whether 
you're on Twitter and you happen

1564
01:18:01,500 --> 01:18:04,100
to have it to catch some of our 
shows, our Facebook group. 

1565
01:18:04,100 --> 01:18:06,000
Group, we have a small but loyal
group of people that are 

1566
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,900
constantly, are are chiming in 
on Facebook with questions and 

1567
01:18:08,900 --> 01:18:12,300
comments and that's cool to see 
and yeah, it's not something 

1568
01:18:12,300 --> 01:18:15,200
we've been doing the podcast 
now, you know, when we get the 

1569
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:20,500
2022, it'll be 15 years which 
seems really hard to get your 

1570
01:18:20,500 --> 01:18:22,900
head wrapped around. 
But it's been a lot of fun and 

1571
01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:27,800
we certainly appreciate all of 
the Positive Vibes, all the good

1572
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,800
questions, all the tough 
questions, everything. 

1573
01:18:30,100 --> 01:18:31,900
And we look forward to seeing 
you folks, whether it's in 

1574
01:18:31,900 --> 01:18:35,500
person or just online. 
In 2022. 

1575
01:18:35,500 --> 01:18:38,400
Is we move forward. 
So, from all of us, all of you. 

1576
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,400
We hope you have a. 
If you celebrate Christmas. 

1577
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:41,700
We hope you have a merry 
Christmas. 

1578
01:18:41,700 --> 01:18:44,500
If you celebrate Hanukkah, we 
hope you had a great season. 

1579
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,800
You celebrate, anything else 
around the holidays. 

1580
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,100
We hope you enjoy that as well. 
Like I said, I'll be back on at 

1581
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:52,300
least one more time. 
I'll tackle some food and drink 

1582
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:56,100
questions for you all, and we'll
look forward to talking to you 

1583
01:18:56,100 --> 01:18:59,200
again. 
In the new year for Scott. 

1584
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,100
I'm Galen. 
This is Crimson cast. 

1585
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:04,600
We will catch you folks on the 
Side. 

1586
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:07,100
Bring back the Bison. 
So long, everybody. 

1587
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,900
We must give the symbolic on a 
wide berth.