1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,040 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:22,160 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Cast, 3 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,600 Dale and Clavio. Scott Caulfield joining you once 4 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:32,990 again the 24th of September and Indiana's 2 and 2 Scott. 5 00:00:32,990 --> 00:00:35,990 Everything's great. Just just push it right through 6 00:00:35,990 --> 00:00:38,350 the season where it is a great moment here. 7 00:00:38,350 --> 00:00:41,350 I think Indiana. Yeah, I I was playing golf 8 00:00:41,350 --> 00:00:43,430 yesterday and my favorite line is you don't have to draw it. 9 00:00:43,430 --> 00:00:45,430 You just got it's just a score. It's like 2 and two. 10 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:47,310 We don't have to talk about how we got here. 11 00:00:47,310 --> 00:00:49,390 So hey, it's great. I want to thank you guys for 12 00:00:49,390 --> 00:00:50,990 listening. Check out home field apparel. 13 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:54,170 Yeah, we're two and two. I mean we're 500 team. 14 00:00:54,170 --> 00:00:56,690 It's great. You know the resilience 15 00:00:56,690 --> 00:00:59,850 definitely shown by by IU in that game. 16 00:00:59,850 --> 00:01:02,770 Now we're going to, we're going to dive deep to talk about. 17 00:01:02,770 --> 00:01:07,610 We're going to dive deep today. We need to first of all before 18 00:01:07,610 --> 00:01:11,370 we jump in, how are you doing? You played golf yesterday. 19 00:01:11,370 --> 00:01:15,890 That's impressive. It's well so I know my my extra 20 00:01:16,250 --> 00:01:18,530 extracurricular activities are enjoyed by the audience. 21 00:01:18,570 --> 00:01:20,410 Yesterday one of my really good friends. 22 00:01:20,930 --> 00:01:23,370 When I lived in Houston, I used to work for the Astros and we 23 00:01:23,370 --> 00:01:26,370 worked together. He always had a lifetime goal, 24 00:01:26,370 --> 00:01:29,490 throwing out the first pitch of a baseball game, so he won an 25 00:01:29,490 --> 00:01:33,490 auction with MLB. So my my buddy was throwing out 26 00:01:33,490 --> 00:01:37,050 the first pitch at the Guardians game, so I drove out there on 27 00:01:37,050 --> 00:01:39,250 Friday. Does does that count as Major 28 00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:41,610 League Baseball? I I. 29 00:01:42,050 --> 00:01:45,370 No, I'm not sure. It's it's a wild, wild place 30 00:01:45,370 --> 00:01:47,890 because I've been to a couple old Indians games and it's like. 31 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,080 I went, we actually had a couple of side bets. 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,040 I went to the team stores like you think there's anything 33 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,560 Indians there and there was nothing. 34 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:58,280 And then like you know I would say 90 to 94% of the fans were 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,880 wearing Indians gear. It's very lot of the on the 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,640 Jumbotron was guardians up until like the 7th inning and then I 37 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,200 figure like they just ran out of people like say showing the same 38 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,070 8 fans. But he threw out the first pitch 39 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:12,390 he want he wanted. He paid for a charity auction to 40 00:02:12,390 --> 00:02:14,950 get this opportunity. And then he was one of like 3 41 00:02:14,950 --> 00:02:16,270 people to throw out the first pitch. 42 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:19,870 And then it was Kid Cuddy night. So Kid Cuddy actually threw out 43 00:02:19,870 --> 00:02:21,950 the the real first pitch. What is that like? 44 00:02:22,150 --> 00:02:24,430 Does that count? Then if they're multiple people 45 00:02:24,430 --> 00:02:26,870 threw out a first pitch and then they had a celebrity who threw 46 00:02:26,870 --> 00:02:29,910 out the actual first pitch, that's is that like the it's 47 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:32,860 like the starter. Things at the Masters where you 48 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:35,300 know that it's not really the start of the tournament, but 49 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:38,020 it's it's not even really ceremonial when you've got six 50 00:02:38,020 --> 00:02:40,500 people doing it or whatever. It's a fairpoint. 51 00:02:40,660 --> 00:02:42,780 Although he had a fun time the rest of the game, it was funny 52 00:02:42,780 --> 00:02:44,100 the first like maybe three times. 53 00:02:44,100 --> 00:02:47,020 Not the 75th time, but whenever a picture would like. 54 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,480 You know, shake somebody off. He's like, I I know what that 55 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,640 feels like because when I was on the mound, like, you know, you 56 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:53,760 really have a hard time seeing things like a guy would throw 57 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,400 one of the dirt and he's like now I see. 58 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,360 I don't know what that feels like because I I give him 59 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,320 credit. He threw a strike. 60 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,360 But anyway, went to that and I, my brotherinlaw and I went 61 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,880 there. So on the way back, we played 62 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,560 golf yesterday like a little bit West of Cleveland, had a great 63 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,360 time. Did you have given your 64 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,560 neighborhood? Did you have three or four 65 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,200 caddies each? No, we played a normal, normal 66 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:22,680 public course stop. Were there every three whole 67 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,200 breaks for caviar? Is that how it was? 68 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,360 Actually, we're doing neighborhood realignment. 69 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,560 We'll talk about that in the next pod. 70 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,960 We're letting some people in. We're going to boot some people 71 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,760 out. Like the money's getting so hot 72 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,080 here. It's just like we got to do for 73 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,520 some some neighborhood realize is Vogue like bidding on the 74 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,800 television contract for Scott's neighborhood. 75 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,880 That's amazing. 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It's like, I guess, sure. 87 00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:17,209 I mean, let's be clear, there weren't a whole lot of black 88 00:04:17,209 --> 00:04:20,130 options that I U had for its fans to wear. 89 00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:23,010 But everybody was pretty much wearing that home field shirt. 90 00:04:23,010 --> 00:04:25,850 And you can get your own I U Oval I. 91 00:04:25,850 --> 00:04:29,490 You did a great thing. The football team paid an homage 92 00:04:29,530 --> 00:04:32,170 to the 1997 team and how they played yesterday. 93 00:04:32,170 --> 00:04:34,250 So they really, they really kind of tied it all together. 94 00:04:34,250 --> 00:04:39,840 But no, in all seriousness, use the code Home 23 Get 15% off 95 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:41,440 your first order at Home Field Apparel. 96 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,600 And even if you don't, a little trick that Scott and I have 97 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,960 discovered. 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Again, home field apparel.com, 109 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:24,800 the presenting sponsor of Crimson Cast, and the Back Home 110 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,580 Network. The last thing I will say, yes, 111 00:05:27,660 --> 00:05:29,780 I when I check the points, my God, I have a free sweatshirt 112 00:05:29,780 --> 00:05:31,660 like that's that's awesome. It's also like that's a lot of 113 00:05:31,660 --> 00:05:35,060 points I probably accrued. And the other thing you 114 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:36,980 mentioned is like the, the blackout. 115 00:05:37,020 --> 00:05:38,380 I just thought of this as you were saying. 116 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:41,500 There's not a lot of options. Like, it is a very IU football 117 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:44,220 thing to do, to be like, have the black uniforms on the 118 00:05:44,220 --> 00:05:48,180 shelves for 25 years, basically don't sell black apparel and 119 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:49,580 then be like, hey, we're doing a blackout. 120 00:05:49,980 --> 00:05:53,380 It's like like you should have. Like Penn State sells a lot of 121 00:05:53,380 --> 00:05:56,580 white gear for the whiteout over the course of 30 years. 122 00:05:56,740 --> 00:06:00,180 Like this would just be like side notes like my like last 123 00:06:00,180 --> 00:06:02,780 week was a homecoming week here at our high school. 124 00:06:02,980 --> 00:06:05,740 The elementary schools they have like Neon Day and Pink Day and 125 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:07,970 right. We don't have a lot of pink as 126 00:06:07,970 --> 00:06:10,290 just it would be funny if I you just did like you know we're 127 00:06:10,290 --> 00:06:14,450 doing, you know, neon neon out. It's like do you sell any neon 128 00:06:14,450 --> 00:06:16,530 gear anyway? Total side note, but probably 129 00:06:16,530 --> 00:06:19,450 more fun than talking about the the nitty gritty of this Akron 130 00:06:19,450 --> 00:06:21,810 game. Yeah, we'll dive into that now 131 00:06:21,810 --> 00:06:26,810 Indiana defeats Akron in four in four overtimes. 132 00:06:27,690 --> 00:06:32,930 The the final score of this one? Indiana 29, Akron 27. 133 00:06:33,330 --> 00:06:38,760 And I know, I mean I've we've been getting tweets and and 134 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,480 messages like I can't wait to hear what Crimson Cast has to 135 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,120 say about this. You know, so we're going to 1st 136 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,800 talk about, we're going to try to talk about the game without 137 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,440 necessarily talking macro. Because I think we need to talk 138 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,600 about the game because I actually feel like to some 139 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,540 degree we have, it's been undersold how bad Indiana was in 140 00:06:58,540 --> 00:07:01,980 this game and how desperately lucky they are to be sitting 141 00:07:01,980 --> 00:07:07,060 here the day after with the victory and how the quality of 142 00:07:07,060 --> 00:07:11,020 opponent that Indiana faced yesterday, it makes all of it 143 00:07:11,020 --> 00:07:14,700 even worse. And so let's talk, Let's start 144 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:17,700 with that. So, Indiana, if you listen to my 145 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:23,050 my preview podcast, Indiana was taking on a team that 146 00:07:23,050 --> 00:07:27,930 statistically has been one of the worst teams in FBS for the 147 00:07:27,930 --> 00:07:30,570 last, really five seasons. I'm I'm going to. 148 00:07:31,010 --> 00:07:33,730 I want to start this off by reading off to you. 149 00:07:34,450 --> 00:07:41,890 The games that Akron has won against FBS opponents since the 150 00:07:41,890 --> 00:07:46,450 start of the 2019 season. In 2019. 151 00:07:48,850 --> 00:07:52,730 In 2020. Bowling Green at home. 152 00:07:53,570 --> 00:07:57,970 In 2021. Bowling Green on the road. 153 00:07:58,770 --> 00:08:03,130 In 2022 Northern Illinois on the road. 154 00:08:06,170 --> 00:08:07,930 So as we, as we, as we. I'm bored. 155 00:08:07,970 --> 00:08:09,090 I do. It comes pretty low with the 156 00:08:09,090 --> 00:08:10,810 cricket sound. You got to throw the crickets in 157 00:08:10,810 --> 00:08:12,730 right now. I actually think no crickets is 158 00:08:12,730 --> 00:08:18,090 better that that's that's literally the full extent of the 159 00:08:18,090 --> 00:08:23,610 FBS teams that Akron has beaten since 2000 and and 19. 160 00:08:23,610 --> 00:08:30,410 And so I I say that because I think one of the most baffling 161 00:08:30,410 --> 00:08:33,330 subplots that has come out of what happened in the game 162 00:08:33,330 --> 00:08:37,870 yesterday is Tom Allen's comments in the postgame press 163 00:08:37,870 --> 00:08:41,230 conference about his team not taking Akron seriously. 164 00:08:41,230 --> 00:08:44,510 And and you know, Allen had a quote from the postgame press 165 00:08:44,510 --> 00:08:48,790 conference and it was, it was something along. 166 00:08:48,790 --> 00:08:50,670 I want to see if I can find it actually. 167 00:08:51,350 --> 00:08:55,150 But it basically was like, you know, I was, I was watching film 168 00:08:55,150 --> 00:08:58,510 about this Akron team and I could see like, you know, how 169 00:08:58,510 --> 00:09:01,430 they, you know, they were going to make things difficult on I U 170 00:09:01,430 --> 00:09:04,020 And you know, they're just like things like that. 171 00:09:04,020 --> 00:09:08,020 I want to actually find this. One of yes, his quote from the 172 00:09:08,020 --> 00:09:11,780 postgame that I I highlighted was in the Indy Star. 173 00:09:11,780 --> 00:09:14,940 He quotely said quote. I didn't effectively get the 174 00:09:14,940 --> 00:09:17,580 team's attention right. And and it's like this reminds 175 00:09:17,580 --> 00:09:20,180 me of what happened in the Ohio State game where he went and 176 00:09:20,180 --> 00:09:22,380 said, you know, hey, like in real time we probably should 177 00:09:22,380 --> 00:09:24,860 have been more aggressive and it's like you need a course, 178 00:09:24,860 --> 00:09:26,620 correct? Like if you're on Wednesday of 179 00:09:26,620 --> 00:09:29,340 last week and you're like, hey, I'm not getting this team's 180 00:09:29,340 --> 00:09:33,060 attention and you noticed that enough to like notice it, do 181 00:09:33,060 --> 00:09:37,220 something different. And I just like Louis, Moore on 182 00:09:37,220 --> 00:09:39,580 the team, said. I'm not saying we took Akron for 183 00:09:39,580 --> 00:09:41,780 granted, but I feel like we should have blown them out. 184 00:09:42,180 --> 00:09:43,500 I wouldn't say it was a lack of focus. 185 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:45,300 It's just more respecting your opponent. 186 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:47,900 I respect all my opponents, but I won't say I didn't respect 187 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:49,860 them. But yeah, which is a player's 188 00:09:49,860 --> 00:09:51,500 way of saying like, we didn't respect them. 189 00:09:51,820 --> 00:09:56,180 But I would argue that you shouldn't have had to have taken 190 00:09:56,180 --> 00:09:59,020 Akron seriously. You should have just been able 191 00:09:59,020 --> 00:10:01,820 to beat them because this is such that it's that bad of a 192 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:03,020 team. I mean, this is the point I'm 193 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:03,980 trying to make. Here's the quote. 194 00:10:04,540 --> 00:10:07,180 There was a question in the postgame press conference what 195 00:10:07,180 --> 00:10:10,020 led the Akron quarterback DJ Iron success. 196 00:10:10,710 --> 00:10:13,110 It was clearly his partnership with under Kuffler. 197 00:10:13,630 --> 00:10:16,070 You know as as they go out and fight crime. 198 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:17,910 No, but we'll we'll come back to that. 199 00:10:17,950 --> 00:10:22,070 Here's Alan's response. They, meaning Akron do a lot of 200 00:10:22,070 --> 00:10:24,990 things that put you in conflict with your eyes. 201 00:10:25,510 --> 00:10:29,390 So man is a better answer than playing zone you know and and so 202 00:10:29,390 --> 00:10:32,110 on and so forth. You know that there were these, 203 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:36,430 there was, there were several comments from Alan about how he 204 00:10:36,430 --> 00:10:39,600 had seen things about how this Akron team was, you know, they 205 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,320 had talent and they did things that created problems. 206 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,120 And I'm just, I keep going back to the what I started off with, 207 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,320 which is this is an Akron team that is is awful. 208 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,920 You know the idea that this was a sleeping you know, giant kind 209 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,680 of team that that was going to cause problems if they didn't 210 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:00,960 take him seriously. I mean, I'm sorry, no. 211 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,320 Last week this Akron team played at Kentucky. 212 00:11:04,980 --> 00:11:09,660 They lost 35 to 3:00. Last year, this team played at 213 00:11:09,660 --> 00:11:12,340 Tennessee, Tennessee, certainly a better team than Indiana, but 214 00:11:12,340 --> 00:11:16,060 they lost 63 to 6. They play that Michigan State 215 00:11:16,060 --> 00:11:20,460 who was not great last year. They lost 52 to nothing. 216 00:11:20,820 --> 00:11:24,380 I I I'm sorry. It's hard for me to take 217 00:11:24,380 --> 00:11:27,900 seriously the idea that you're well, the problem was Indiana 218 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:32,860 didn't take Akron seriously. This is not a team that even if 219 00:11:32,860 --> 00:11:35,740 you didn't take them seriously, you should have been in a 220 00:11:35,740 --> 00:11:39,820 position where they were able to move the ball on you the way 221 00:11:39,820 --> 00:11:43,620 that Akron did, Where your defense was, you know, was 222 00:11:43,620 --> 00:11:45,940 certainly unable to stop them, and where your offense was 223 00:11:45,940 --> 00:11:49,100 essentially incapable for most of the game. 224 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:54,200 Indiana only even gets to overtime because the Akron 225 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,120 quarterback makes a bad throw in the wrong spot on the field that 226 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,800 the defense returns for a touchdown and the Akron punter 227 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,080 who's in for their kicker misses a chipshot field goal. 228 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,600 Like the the skin of their teeth aspect of this win is bad 229 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,240 enough. But the idea that, well, this is 230 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,160 what happens when you don't take an opponent seriously, I'm sorry 231 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,760 if if if Indiana's harboring any aspirations of being a a 232 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,920 functional team in the Big 10, I won't even say a bowl team or 233 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,600 having a bull bit. That's how you're going to say 234 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,800 the the the way like to to argue that somehow, well gosh this is 235 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,800 just a case of the players not being focused. 236 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,400 You you got to be kidding me with that, that there's a 237 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,920 there's a layer of accountability that seems to be 238 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,480 absent in that kind of thing. It's like well, gosh, we tried 239 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,400 to tell the players that this Akron team was tough and they 240 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,160 didn't believe us. It's like I I was why I was 241 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,720 there, Scott. I watched the game. 242 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,360 I know you watched the game as well. 243 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,600 What I saw out there was not players not taking things 244 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,600 seriously. What I saw was players not being 245 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,320 able to execute. There's a big, big difference 246 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,360 there and I feel like the fact that what's been jumped on in 247 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,080 the analysis of this game and when you go through and look at 248 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,600 the numbers is the idea that somehow it was the players fault 249 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,480 that they didn't take the game seriously. 250 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,160 As opposed to at least in part, the idea that the coaches didn't 251 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,040 prepare the team well, not just in the lead up to the game this 252 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:23,680 week, but in the lead up to the season is just it blows my mind 253 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,600 that the the questioning and the answering afterwards has 254 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,080 basically been like, you know that the big problem was the 255 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,880 players not taking Akron seriously. 256 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,320 When if you have a program that is run properly, you're not even 257 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,480 worried about that. You're you're you're, you know, 258 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,720 this is a team, Akron frankly, that any team in the conference 259 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,200 should probably be sleepwalking through. 260 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,080 And I understand that's not always how football works. 261 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,740 But to come off of the Louisville game where you didn't 262 00:13:49,740 --> 00:13:52,460 play well for 1/2 and then everybody patted you on the back 263 00:13:52,460 --> 00:13:55,780 for actually playing football for the second-half and then to 264 00:13:55,780 --> 00:13:58,420 turn around and act like, well, it's just a lack of focus. 265 00:13:58,420 --> 00:14:01,460 It's like, I'm sorry, where does that come from? 266 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:03,860 If that's actually, if the Flack of focus is actually the 267 00:14:03,860 --> 00:14:05,620 problem, where does that come from? 268 00:14:05,780 --> 00:14:09,860 Does that? Did we just notice that so that, 269 00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:11,860 you know, this is and we're going to dive into the numbers 270 00:14:11,860 --> 00:14:14,060 here in a second. But my big take home point from 271 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:18,770 this is not just that Indiana played horribly for the whole 272 00:14:18,770 --> 00:14:20,050 game. Not just that they got 273 00:14:20,050 --> 00:14:23,730 incredibly lucky, but that there does not seem to be a public 274 00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:29,050 acknowledgement that this team is not where it needs to be. 275 00:14:29,050 --> 00:14:33,330 And it's not just about players not taking the 120th ranked team 276 00:14:33,330 --> 00:14:35,410 or I mean they're they're only up to 120. 277 00:14:35,410 --> 00:14:39,210 I think in the NSP. Plus this week they were 130th. 278 00:14:39,210 --> 00:14:42,940 Last week the idea that we didn't take the the 10th worst 279 00:14:42,940 --> 00:14:46,420 team in FBS seriously. And that's the problem. 280 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:51,820 That to me is is a real big red flag in a whole brother, a whole 281 00:14:51,820 --> 00:14:56,580 bunch of other red flags. It's a lot there. 282 00:14:56,580 --> 00:14:59,020 I agree with all of it. I I would say, as you were 283 00:14:59,020 --> 00:15:01,980 saying that I'm thinking we've seen this before. 284 00:15:02,550 --> 00:15:05,430 I think it's fair to say Ohio State came into the season not 285 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:08,910 taking Indiana seriously and they still won 23 to 3:00. 286 00:15:09,070 --> 00:15:11,390 But you heard the assistant coaches being like did you guys 287 00:15:11,390 --> 00:15:14,070 you know practice against the the, you know the options like 288 00:15:14,710 --> 00:15:16,670 not really like probably practicing. 289 00:15:16,670 --> 00:15:17,910 It's Notre Dame. So yeah. 290 00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:21,550 I mean you're to validate your point like that is a team that 291 00:15:21,550 --> 00:15:24,670 is, you know well executed that's take it seriously Here's 292 00:15:24,950 --> 00:15:27,310 here's the so many things that baffled me. 293 00:15:27,310 --> 00:15:30,470 But I'm going to highlight one respect I8 different things. 294 00:15:30,470 --> 00:15:31,990 I'm going to stick to one right now. 295 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:35,650 The take away from the Louisville game, like you said, 296 00:15:35,650 --> 00:15:37,970 was like they didn't play for 1/2, but then they played the 297 00:15:37,970 --> 00:15:39,810 second-half. But then what killed them in 298 00:15:39,810 --> 00:15:43,890 that game was the inability to do anything creative on the goal 299 00:15:43,890 --> 00:15:46,810 line. And so I would hope and think 300 00:15:46,810 --> 00:15:49,290 that moving, you know, we we all this talk of you, we got to be 301 00:15:49,290 --> 00:15:52,210 more creative, we got to do more, we got to you know help 302 00:15:52,210 --> 00:15:54,530 the offensive line all this nonsense so. 303 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,280 I would look and then all this talk about the Akron game, the 304 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,720 reason I hate these, you know, getting into the previews on 305 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,240 these types of games, it's like we got, you know, we're going to 306 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,880 use this as a learning experience to work on these 307 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,440 things and get, you know, positive momentum and get a lot 308 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,320 of, you know, good vibes for things that we do. 309 00:16:09,180 --> 00:16:12,340 So you go into this Akron game in the second quarter, you get a 310 00:16:12,340 --> 00:16:15,060 great interception. You start the ball in the Akron 311 00:16:15,060 --> 00:16:16,700 4. It's a red zone play. 312 00:16:16,940 --> 00:16:19,820 Let's try it like, what do you think this coaching staff should 313 00:16:19,820 --> 00:16:21,260 do? Like there's four options. 314 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:23,380 ABCD. Should we try something new? 315 00:16:23,380 --> 00:16:25,020 Should we do something to get some positivity? 316 00:16:25,580 --> 00:16:28,900 What happens First play, rush to the right for A1 yard loss. 317 00:16:28,940 --> 00:16:32,020 Second play, rush up the middle. Have we tried that before? 318 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:34,460 That's for three yards. Third play, rush up the middle 319 00:16:34,460 --> 00:16:36,500 for one yard. 4th play rush up the middle. 320 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,200 For 0 yards. And I'd like. 321 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,520 I'd like to note those last two rushes were Donovan Mcculley, 322 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,960 not Jalen Lucas, not Christian Turner, a guy who's not a runner 323 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,120 in the traditional sets. That's the guy that you're 324 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,380 handing the ball off to go on. Yeah, and and this is not even 325 00:16:54,380 --> 00:16:56,660 part of the point, but it's like, thank you to I U like 326 00:16:56,660 --> 00:16:59,300 we'll we'll talk about all of the laps of judgments, but like 327 00:16:59,300 --> 00:17:04,180 it literally, the next play, Alex Adams drops what is a 99 328 00:17:04,180 --> 00:17:07,460 yard touchdown like that Should have been a 99 yard backbreaking 329 00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:09,339 touchdown. He just drops it. 330 00:17:09,579 --> 00:17:13,260 We then like 2 plays later late hit the quarterback, which gets 331 00:17:13,260 --> 00:17:16,859 offset because Akron has like another absurd penalty. 332 00:17:17,180 --> 00:17:20,940 And then our very next offensive play, Taven Jackson throws an 333 00:17:21,020 --> 00:17:22,700 interception. Just like just a. 334 00:17:22,859 --> 00:17:24,740 Complete mental breakdown, but bad coaching. 335 00:17:24,819 --> 00:17:27,020 I'm not done yet, though, because we go to the fourth 336 00:17:27,020 --> 00:17:30,540 quarter, we get the ball of the first and nine of the Akron 9. 337 00:17:31,020 --> 00:17:33,700 OK, we have a moment for Atonement. 338 00:17:33,740 --> 00:17:35,740 We can now try something different. 339 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,000 First play, run up the middle for seven yards. 340 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,080 OK, you got lucky. You great. 341 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,320 You did it. Let's not do that again. 342 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,240 Second play, run up the middle for one yard. 343 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,200 Third play, run up the middle for 0 yards. 344 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,120 And then all this, hey, we're going to make confidence. 345 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:50,080 You just punt. I mean, you're sorry, not punt. 346 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,640 You kick a field goal, which I guess you have to do because you 347 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,320 need the points. But it's like you're playing 348 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,880 Akron. Like the whole point of these 349 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,280 games is to get better at things you're not good at. 350 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,800 You were given this opportunity of basically a redo of 351 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,920 everything you effed up in the Louisville game. 352 00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:08,310 And you do the exact same thing and then it's even more galling 353 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:10,230 and over timing they want. So yes, great, we're two and 354 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:13,110 two. They won partially because one 355 00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:15,870 of their two point conversion plays is like a triple reverse 356 00:18:15,870 --> 00:18:17,310 flea flicker option. It's like. 357 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,040 You have that, like do you need to get not only your back 358 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,840 against the wall, like 3 guns to your head, like the bowl of acid 359 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,320 above your head, Like you've got to be like because this if you 360 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,760 lose to Akron like this season you are in a deep hole. 361 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,000 This season we'll just say that it's like so you need to be that 362 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,920 close to your back against the wall to pull that out. 363 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,120 Like could you have not tried that play? 364 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:44,350 Any of the other seven plays that you had on the goal. 365 00:18:44,350 --> 00:18:47,630 And so to me that was the part that just drove me nuts that you 366 00:18:47,630 --> 00:18:51,870 had six chances at the apple and never once was Walt Bell. 367 00:18:51,870 --> 00:18:55,190 Like, hey, we're going to try something just a little bit 368 00:18:55,310 --> 00:18:57,510 different. You run up the middle every 369 00:18:57,510 --> 00:19:02,270 single time like you're the, you know, 1974, Oklahoma sooner. 370 00:19:02,270 --> 00:19:05,080 It's like you're not anyway, that I mean that. 371 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,920 Drove me bananas. And by the way, from a game 372 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,880 perspective, a touchdown on either of those spots would have 373 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:14,960 been unbelievably helpful. The it's just so clear that 374 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,760 there's so many different things you can cut up with this, and 375 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,440 it's been the whole season. But it there's so many things 376 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:26,200 that you can point to that illustrate how little clue this 377 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,760 offense seems to have. I mean through through the four 378 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:35,260 regulations that Indiana has played, they've averaged 18.75 379 00:19:35,380 --> 00:19:39,500 points this season, and that includes a game where they 380 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:42,380 scored 41 points against Indiana State. 381 00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:46,580 If you take that game out, the three games that they've played 382 00:19:46,580 --> 00:19:52,380 against, like FBS competition, they're averaging 11.33 points 383 00:19:52,820 --> 00:19:54,860 in regulation in those three games. 384 00:19:55,370 --> 00:19:57,610 You look at the statistics and and this is. 385 00:19:57,610 --> 00:20:00,210 I think it's. You can I just hop in real quick 386 00:20:00,210 --> 00:20:03,370 because I did a if you and I'm, it's a little bit of pulling 387 00:20:03,570 --> 00:20:07,610 stats, but it's 20% of their season, the Ohio State game, the 388 00:20:07,650 --> 00:20:10,250 Akron game and the first half of Louisville. 389 00:20:10,610 --> 00:20:12,810 In those games you have 28 drives. 390 00:20:13,090 --> 00:20:17,410 You get 13 points out of those 28 drives and eleven of those 391 00:20:17,410 --> 00:20:20,010 drives. So almost a third of them ended 392 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:22,770 with a three-year out or no first down. 393 00:20:23,310 --> 00:20:26,750 So I mean that's that's a, that's five of your like 5 394 00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:29,430 halves that you've played this year, it's 20% of your season. 395 00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:34,470 So I think part of the part of the problem I also have is how 396 00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:36,630 much of the focus. I mean, the offense has been 397 00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:38,230 terrible. We've talked about the offense 398 00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:40,390 has been terrible, and I want to, I'm going to do some stats 399 00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:42,510 here first. But that is to set up the next 400 00:20:42,510 --> 00:20:43,990 point. So just hold on a second, all 401 00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:45,950 right? In this game last night, 402 00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:50,280 Indiana. Offensively was out gained by 403 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,440 Akron again and this is this is the same Akron that if you look 404 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,720 at S&P plus offensively they are 122nd in the nation. 405 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,280 This is a bad bad offensive team. 406 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,240 Akron out gained Indiana 474 yards to 282 yards. 407 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,360 They out past Indiana 211 to 190. 408 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:13,400 They out rushed Indiana 263 yards to 92. 409 00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:16,460 Akron had 24 first downs in this game. 410 00:21:16,620 --> 00:21:20,100 Indiana had 14 first downs in this game. 411 00:21:20,820 --> 00:21:24,740 I mean, it is now the I think the thing that we we're going to 412 00:21:24,740 --> 00:21:27,620 talk about the offense a lot. But I think that it is important 413 00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:31,140 to keep in mind that as much as people have praised Tom Allen's 414 00:21:31,140 --> 00:21:34,310 defense. This season and have praised the 415 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:37,190 players. This was one of the most 416 00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:40,590 ridiculously bad defensive efforts against an opponent like 417 00:21:40,590 --> 00:21:44,150 Akron that you can have. This is an Akron team that 418 00:21:44,150 --> 00:21:47,470 frankly should have won the game by two touchdowns, but they 419 00:21:47,470 --> 00:21:50,190 threw 3 interceptions, one of which was a pick 6. 420 00:21:50,540 --> 00:21:55,020 They committed 10 penalties for 98 yards, including a completely 421 00:21:55,020 --> 00:21:58,700 unnecessary unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that dropped 422 00:21:58,700 --> 00:22:02,060 them back from the 21 to the 36 in the third quarter, which they 423 00:22:02,060 --> 00:22:03,940 probably would have at least gotten a field goal out of 424 00:22:04,140 --> 00:22:07,100 including, if I read correctly, like some strength coaches. 425 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:09,900 Came out of the stands, came out of the, came out of the and. 426 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:11,860 Got it. I mean, this was, this was an 427 00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:15,700 Akron team that was like dedicated to shooting itself. 428 00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:18,910 Like shooting its foot off, Not just shooting itself in the foot 429 00:22:18,910 --> 00:22:24,270 but making sure it detached from like the tibia and and even with 430 00:22:24,270 --> 00:22:26,910 all of that Indiana's defense could not stop them. 431 00:22:26,910 --> 00:22:28,630 My my wife and I were at the game. 432 00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:33,270 Indiana the you mentioned the field goal that Indiana kicked 433 00:22:33,790 --> 00:22:37,910 after three runs into the line largely or or into the short 434 00:22:37,910 --> 00:22:40,590 side of the field. They they kicked the field goal. 435 00:22:40,590 --> 00:22:42,270 It was 1710. I looked at her. 436 00:22:42,270 --> 00:22:45,160 I said look. Indiana's played awful, but I 437 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,600 think that they've got this in hand because I don't. 438 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,120 I I just, I cannot conceive of Akron being able to put together 439 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,360 a drive. What does Indiana do? 440 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,560 They allow a 71 yard touchdown run on the next drive. 441 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,280 We were in the parking lot. Walking across the parking lot, 442 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,880 I saw Jordan Bailey out there. We chatted for a minute. 443 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,120 We leave him. We hear this announcement. 444 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:09,720 Lorenzo Lingard, touchdown run. And I'm like, what? 445 00:23:10,220 --> 00:23:13,300 I was like, audibly, like what had to call up my ESPN sport 446 00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:14,980 thing. And I'm like, I look at, I look 447 00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:17,300 at my wife and I'm like, you're not going to believe this. 448 00:23:18,540 --> 00:23:21,580 And so we ended up rushing home to watch the end of the game. 449 00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:23,500 God, that was a great not you football fan. 450 00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:26,820 She should like you and I like, you like, believe it, right? 451 00:23:27,980 --> 00:23:30,420 No, that was me saying what? I was incredulous. 452 00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:33,380 She actually believed it. She's very she's, she's very 453 00:23:33,380 --> 00:23:35,420 realistic about this stuff, far more than I am. 454 00:23:36,140 --> 00:23:40,800 I say all that because. The you know the the offense has 455 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,560 been awful but the defense in this game like this is supposed 456 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,400 to be Tom Allen's calling card. You know we we hear these tales 457 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,000 about Tom Allen being this great defensive mind the guy who 458 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000 schemes. You know other coaches find 459 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,560 really tricky you know that's that's that's what we're told 460 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,080 and yet to allow. So I I was doing some digging. 461 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:06,440 So in this game, Indiana allowed Akron 6.6 yards per rush. 462 00:24:07,670 --> 00:24:15,070 That is the most yards per rush that Akron as a program has 463 00:24:15,070 --> 00:24:19,870 allowed since I'm still, I'm going back, I'm in 2017, we 464 00:24:19,870 --> 00:24:23,190 still haven't gotten there. 2016 haven't gotten there, 2015 465 00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:26,310 haven't gotten there. This is actually I think Akron's 466 00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:29,350 greatest rushing performance on a yards per carry basis. 467 00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:34,550 Here we go since September 29th, 2012. 468 00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:39,260 When they played Miami of Ohio and averaged 7.04 yards per 469 00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:41,460 carry, that's what Indiana did out there. 470 00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:46,420 They allowed Akron, a team that I'm, I'm sorry, I am going to 471 00:24:46,420 --> 00:24:48,860 have to push back a little on Tom Allen's commentary. 472 00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:51,700 I don't think DJ Irons is that good of a quarterback. 473 00:24:52,290 --> 00:24:55,930 No, they made Desart. Did they made Irons look like 474 00:24:56,130 --> 00:24:58,730 Michael Vick out there. I mean, and I'm watching him and 475 00:24:58,730 --> 00:25:00,930 you. I have as a I U Football fan, 476 00:25:00,930 --> 00:25:02,530 there's the moment where I'm like, I know this isn't true, 477 00:25:02,530 --> 00:25:05,410 but I'm like, how did a kid this good go to Akron? 478 00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:06,890 It's like, Oh no, it's our defense. 479 00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:09,010 Like I went and looked it up. He was a dude. 480 00:25:09,010 --> 00:25:11,530 He played great. This is no knock on irons but he 481 00:25:11,530 --> 00:25:15,070 was a two star recruit who had one offer from Akron. 482 00:25:15,310 --> 00:25:17,870 So it's not like this was you know Antoine Randall L who like 483 00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:20,710 could like and and it's no not but like you know I'm watching 484 00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:23,910 the game and it's like this guy is he looks like Michael Vick 485 00:25:23,910 --> 00:25:26,270 out there but. He's not. 486 00:25:26,270 --> 00:25:28,390 There's no knock. I mean, but it's just, I mean, 487 00:25:28,590 --> 00:25:31,750 I'm sorry, you know DJ Irons. This was his career high in 488 00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:35,510 rushing last night. 141 yards on 18 carries, average 7.8. 489 00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:36,870 Would have had more if he didn't get injured. 490 00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:40,970 Or if his team hadn't held constantly on plays where they 491 00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:44,530 didn't need to. I mean, I mean last year with 492 00:25:44,530 --> 00:25:48,010 this year, his previous high in rushing yards was 30. 493 00:25:48,090 --> 00:25:49,690 That was last week against Kentucky. 494 00:25:49,890 --> 00:25:53,330 Last year he he went to triple digits in rushing once. 495 00:25:53,530 --> 00:25:56,890 It took him 23 carries against Bowling Green to get there. 496 00:25:57,090 --> 00:26:01,810 In 2021, he rushed in triple digits once 9 yards carry 497 00:26:01,850 --> 00:26:05,780 against Bryant. So like the and Bryant by the 498 00:26:05,780 --> 00:26:08,900 way is not an FBS team. Just just to clarify for you 499 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:12,540 folks out there. So look the offense is bad but 500 00:26:12,860 --> 00:26:18,180 I'm just I'm consistently amazed at Indiana's and we talked I 501 00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:20,580 talked about this on the pregame podcast like their ability to 502 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:23,340 play down to opponents and this has been a constant throughout 503 00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:26,060 Tom Allen's time. I mean, and to be fair, it 504 00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:28,980 happened during time, Kevin Wilson's time as well it it's 505 00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:32,490 happened a lot, but. For all the talk about culture, 506 00:26:32,490 --> 00:26:35,690 for all the talk about Leo, for all the talk about how you know 507 00:26:36,010 --> 00:26:39,450 I U is, you know, they may not be the most technically sound 508 00:26:39,450 --> 00:26:40,890 team, but they play with emotion. 509 00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:49,370 The the idea that I U is like incapable of taking either 510 00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:52,010 taking an opponent seriously or just playing well, which I think 511 00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:53,530 is really the thing that needs to be talked about. 512 00:26:53,530 --> 00:26:54,690 Not we didn't take them seriously. 513 00:26:54,690 --> 00:26:57,450 It's like be professionals, go out there and play the game. 514 00:26:57,820 --> 00:27:00,580 You know, things may not go your way, but the idea that you're 515 00:27:00,580 --> 00:27:03,980 going to go out and yield Akron's best rushing day in 11 516 00:27:03,980 --> 00:27:07,620 years, that you're going to make this this quarterback who is a 517 00:27:07,620 --> 00:27:11,140 two star recruit look like he should be a second third round 518 00:27:11,140 --> 00:27:14,860 draft pick is insane to me. That that's where Indiana 519 00:27:14,860 --> 00:27:20,230 football has gotten to in 2023. I will pile on this. 520 00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:23,750 I agree with everything that you said earlier about, you know, 521 00:27:24,550 --> 00:27:26,230 taking them for granted all those things. 522 00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:29,190 But like, so you get into halftime, it's a close game. 523 00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:31,710 It's what what's the score at halftime? 524 00:27:31,910 --> 00:27:35,210 Sorry. I mean, no, It was 7 to 3. 525 00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:36,330 Indiana led. OK, sorry. 526 00:27:36,330 --> 00:27:37,450 So it's seven to three at halftime. 527 00:27:37,450 --> 00:27:38,890 So obviously, like, you're out. I knew it was close. 528 00:27:38,890 --> 00:27:41,450 Sorry. It's like 7 to 3 at halftime if 529 00:27:41,490 --> 00:27:43,410 you're out. And it's like, OK, now things 530 00:27:43,410 --> 00:27:46,450 are for real, like you, you know, they're not taking them 531 00:27:46,450 --> 00:27:48,010 seriously. You know your team isn't 532 00:27:48,010 --> 00:27:50,210 executing correctly. Like, you're seven to three 533 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:51,930 against Akron this game. That should have been a 534 00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:55,020 cakewalk. You start the second-half, what 535 00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:56,940 happens? Akron comes out, to your point, 536 00:27:56,940 --> 00:28:00,700 to his defense, A9 play, 74 yard drive for a touchdown. 537 00:28:00,860 --> 00:28:03,660 Also aided by the fact that we had a roughing the passer call, 538 00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:06,020 so we roughed the passer there, which helped them out. 539 00:28:06,460 --> 00:28:09,340 And then immediately in on sides where Akron just on sides the 540 00:28:09,340 --> 00:28:11,340 ball. I mean, that stuff can happen, 541 00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:14,450 but it's like how it happens because he kicks it at our 542 00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:17,250 player and just bounces off. It's like, how are you not 543 00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:18,410 prepared for it? Just. 544 00:28:18,970 --> 00:28:22,130 We still most we opportune times they come out unprepared. 545 00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:23,930 We still haven't watched Gator Bowl footage. 546 00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:27,570 Apparently. I mean, I know that they're 547 00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:30,090 doing, they're doing practicing on site because we did it the 548 00:28:30,090 --> 00:28:33,290 week before like you you. It's like at what point 549 00:28:33,570 --> 00:28:35,610 halftime. Then, like, do you just stop, 550 00:28:35,970 --> 00:28:39,940 like just get everyone centered and like, hey, focus, like do 551 00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:42,100 the right things? But it's yeah, it's baffling, 552 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:44,980 but that's that would have been a great time to stop and get it, 553 00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:46,980 you know? But no, you you give up one of 554 00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:48,940 Akron's best drives of the of the game. 555 00:28:49,660 --> 00:28:51,820 Scott, I think it's time to bring back a segment we haven't 556 00:28:51,820 --> 00:28:54,220 done in a while, which is recite the drives. 557 00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:56,900 Oh no, no. I just want to run through 558 00:28:56,900 --> 00:29:00,260 Indiana's offensive drives that they had in this game. 559 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:04,220 All right, first drive, 3 plays, one yard punt. 560 00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:08,660 Second drive off of an interception, 4 plays, 41 yards, 561 00:29:08,740 --> 00:29:12,710 punt. Next drive, 9 plays, 51 yards. 562 00:29:12,790 --> 00:29:17,470 Turnover on downs. Of course, that was the that was 563 00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:21,550 the the the incomplete pass by Taven Jackson at the Akron 34. 564 00:29:22,030 --> 00:29:26,190 Next drive, hey, some sunshine. 6 plays, 80 yards. 565 00:29:26,190 --> 00:29:28,830 Touchdown Christian Turner runs it in. 566 00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:32,010 Next play after an interception, which you talked about earlier. 567 00:29:32,050 --> 00:29:34,730 4 plays, three yards. Turnover on downs. 568 00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:37,370 Next drive. One play, zero yards 569 00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:40,170 interception. Next drive. 5 plays. 570 00:29:40,170 --> 00:29:41,530 Four yards. Punt. 571 00:29:42,410 --> 00:29:46,770 Third quarter, first drive after Akron is scored to make it. 1073 572 00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:51,810 plays, Three yards punt. Next drive after Indiana scored 573 00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:53,850 on an interception return for a touchdown. 574 00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:57,470 So, real chance to put the game away here. 3 plays, two yards 575 00:29:57,550 --> 00:30:01,190 punt. Next drive. 11 plays, 72 yards. 576 00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:05,030 Chance to salt the game away. Ends in a field goal. 14 to 10. 577 00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:09,470 Excuse me, 17 to 10. Next drive after you've forced a 578 00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:12,790 three and out from Akron. 3 plays, six yards punt. 579 00:30:13,150 --> 00:30:17,390 Next drive after Akron ties it up. 3 plays, zero yards, punt. 580 00:30:17,550 --> 00:30:19,220 That's hard to do. And then here's. 581 00:30:19,340 --> 00:30:20,740 And then you're in overtime. Yes. 582 00:30:20,740 --> 00:30:21,620 Go on. No. 583 00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:23,020 But here's the thing. It's like when you're playing a 584 00:30:23,020 --> 00:30:25,260 team like Georgia with that kind of defense, we shouldn't be 585 00:30:25,260 --> 00:30:28,020 scheduling teams like this. But I mean, that's a really good 586 00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:29,980 defense. I mean, you're talking atop. 587 00:30:30,140 --> 00:30:31,740 Oh wait, no, it's Akron. Clearly. 588 00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:35,340 Clearly we need to buy out of the Akron series as well. 589 00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:39,060 Real just a side note to that I saw you joke about that but like 590 00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:42,540 the the might we we haven't talked about the Louisville bio 591 00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:45,340 but what I would what I said to a lot of people about that is 592 00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:48,810 like it's fine but then you've got to win the games that you've 593 00:30:48,810 --> 00:30:51,130 scheduled to backfill in like this. 594 00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:53,570 This is the problem. It's like, if you're going to 595 00:30:53,570 --> 00:30:55,450 lose the accurate, you might as well lose the Louisville and 596 00:30:55,450 --> 00:30:57,890 like, just like you could do this stuff, but you've got to 597 00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:00,050 then win these games convincingly. 598 00:31:00,090 --> 00:31:01,890 Yeah, well that's and convincingly is the point. 599 00:31:01,890 --> 00:31:04,330 And this was this is the thing I think gets lost. 600 00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:09,210 I mean, a win is a win and ultimately it it still counts as 601 00:31:09,210 --> 00:31:11,650 a win regardless of how awful it looked. 602 00:31:12,290 --> 00:31:17,000 But. The whole idea with this program 603 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,840 is the, you know, the the idea of momentum, the idea of 604 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:27,200 building the idea that okay, we saw what happened last year and 605 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,400 that was clearly not good enough and what happened the year 606 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,080 before was clearly not good enough. 607 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,000 And the argument that oh, this is a down cycle for the program, 608 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,120 but they're showing improvement and I think a lot of people they 609 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,560 they we've talked about the Indiana Rorschach test. 610 00:31:42,140 --> 00:31:45,140 They looked at the Ohio State game and they're like, oh, hey, 611 00:31:45,140 --> 00:31:48,980 we actually were in that game for a while and that's good. 612 00:31:49,020 --> 00:31:51,060 And then they look at the Louisville game like, wow, look 613 00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:52,860 at that, come back. And then you look at this game, 614 00:31:52,860 --> 00:31:55,580 It's like, well, this game, to some degree, the way that it 615 00:31:55,580 --> 00:31:59,780 went invalidates a lot of what you saw in those first two games 616 00:31:59,780 --> 00:32:04,380 because it just kind of makes you wonder, you know, is this 617 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:07,220 Indiana? You can't just perform in 618 00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:09,340 certain moments. There has to be some level of 619 00:32:09,340 --> 00:32:11,700 consistency and what you're doing as a program. 620 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,760 And what worries me, you know, about the way that this game 621 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,320 went was how bad both offense and defense were for Indiana. 622 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,200 And there was no reason that they both had to be bad. 623 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,280 You're going to have, obviously with a young quarterback, you 624 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,040 know you're going to have games where that quarterback isn't 625 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,280 going to play particularly well, but. 626 00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:37,750 To You've also, in that game, taken away a lot of things that 627 00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:39,830 were working for no reason whatsoever. 628 00:32:39,910 --> 00:32:44,470 As was pointed out by several people, Jalen Lucas gets 10 629 00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:46,910 targets or 10 catches in the Louisville game. 630 00:32:47,150 --> 00:32:50,190 He's a huge part of the passing offense as well as rushing. 631 00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:52,830 He isn't even targeted in this game. 632 00:32:52,830 --> 00:32:56,190 No, no passes thrown to your best offensive weapon. 633 00:32:56,550 --> 00:33:00,460 You know you. You try again and again, we know 634 00:33:00,460 --> 00:33:03,100 this is something that kind of crosses over into being a larger 635 00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:06,020 issue about I U. In general, you again try 636 00:33:06,020 --> 00:33:10,660 fruitlessly to run the football. Overall, throughout the course 637 00:33:10,660 --> 00:33:16,420 of this season, Indiana is averaging 3.2 yards per carry in 638 00:33:16,420 --> 00:33:20,780 games that don't involve Indiana State Indiana's per carry 639 00:33:20,780 --> 00:33:23,870 average. Have been 2.15 yards per carry 640 00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:27,630 against Ohio State, 2.15 yards per carry against Louisville, 641 00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:31,470 and 2.71 yards per carry against Akron. 642 00:33:31,630 --> 00:33:33,510 And this is coming off of the season. 643 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:39,240 Where your per carry average for the entire year was 3.36 yards a 644 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,720 carry, and it was actually worse if you take out the 6.64 yards 645 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,840 per carry that you had in the Idaho game last year. 646 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,680 I say all that because we heard all offseason about how this was 647 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,440 going to become a power running team. 648 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,240 They came into the season specifically running the triple 649 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,200 option and talking about how that was going to be a big part 650 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,890 of the offense. And Scott, as we've talked about 651 00:34:00,890 --> 00:34:03,930 with the way that this program and coaching staff have 652 00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:06,450 evaluated their quarterbacks, relative health and relative 653 00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:09,530 talent levels, the way they've evaluated, evaluated some other 654 00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:12,730 things, we've got enough evidence right now, I think, to 655 00:34:12,730 --> 00:34:16,090 say that Indiana can't block the run effectively. 656 00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:20,030 Why was that considered to be the folk point of the offense 657 00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:23,830 coming into the year? And why did Indiana focus so 658 00:34:23,830 --> 00:34:27,710 much on that in this game against a horrible defense, Like 659 00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:31,949 statistically a horrible defense, and still come away 660 00:34:31,949 --> 00:34:34,230 with nothing? Like if you can't run on Akron, 661 00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:36,429 who are you going to run against? 662 00:34:36,429 --> 00:34:40,270 And if you can't run against Akron, and you know that, like 663 00:34:40,270 --> 00:34:42,909 that does not leave a lot of hope moving forward. 664 00:34:43,780 --> 00:34:46,580 I also love the fact that we, we were told all offseason this is 665 00:34:46,580 --> 00:34:49,139 a triple option offense and we, I don't see it. 666 00:34:49,139 --> 00:34:50,900 It's gone now. We're four games in. 667 00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:53,739 It's like I would love another percentage of plays We've run 668 00:34:53,739 --> 00:34:58,380 triple option versus we haven't. The Jalen Lucas thing is is 669 00:34:58,380 --> 00:35:00,820 baffling and you know, everyone saw it. 670 00:35:00,820 --> 00:35:02,500 I'll hit it now like in overtime. 671 00:35:02,740 --> 00:35:05,100 You know, he had the play where he went in motion and was just 672 00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:09,100 completely wide open. But you know, again, I blame the 673 00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:13,010 I don't want to keep blaming the coaching staff, but, you know, 674 00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:16,610 Jackson is a young quarterback. I'm sure he's told to go through 675 00:35:16,610 --> 00:35:20,130 his progressions. Obviously, Jaylen Lucas either 676 00:35:20,130 --> 00:35:24,130 was low on the progression chart or Jackson didn't hit it far 677 00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:27,530 enough or he was a decoy. I honestly went back and watched 678 00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:30,730 the play like five times because my question was, honestly, I 679 00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:32,970 think it was a blown coverage because he went in motion. 680 00:35:32,970 --> 00:35:35,370 Akron didn't move, the safety didn't pick him up. 681 00:35:35,370 --> 00:35:38,310 I think they were in zone. It was a blown coverage, but I 682 00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:41,550 honestly had the thought. I wonder if it's so obvious 683 00:35:41,550 --> 00:35:44,910 that, you know, our play calls are being tipped in a way that 684 00:35:44,910 --> 00:35:46,990 Akron was like, oh, we know he's a decoy. 685 00:35:46,990 --> 00:35:48,710 We're not even going to follow him. 686 00:35:48,990 --> 00:35:52,190 I don't think that's what happened, but I'm not 100% sure. 687 00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:56,030 But it it's obvious that like Jackson isn't reading all of his 688 00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:58,910 progressions and that that wasn't the number one option on 689 00:35:58,910 --> 00:36:01,510 that play. But it's just it is it's it's 690 00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:04,110 mind boggling that like he hadn't gotten a target up to 691 00:36:04,110 --> 00:36:06,430 that point and that you could just miss something that wide 692 00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:07,910 open. Yeah, well, and I think. 693 00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:10,430 The nail on the head like and I was like I can't believe that 694 00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:12,310 Jalen Lucas could not have been more wide open. 695 00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:17,270 But I think I I really believe that it it at least it feels 696 00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:22,150 like Jackson's being told to just do these things and there's 697 00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:25,190 just not a lot of flexibility in terms of how the offense is 698 00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:28,130 being run and. Again, which is weird because 699 00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:30,490 the triple option quarterback, that's all you you have to put a 700 00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:33,010 like, you can't be like in the middle of the play, like look 701 00:36:33,010 --> 00:36:34,610 over and look at the guy doing that. 702 00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:36,730 You know the exes and pulled up the picture of the Chickfila 703 00:36:36,730 --> 00:36:38,690 Nugget, like whether I should pass the ball or not. 704 00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:40,930 It's no, I think it's a great point. 705 00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:45,930 And so you know just I guess to put for this game to kind of 706 00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:49,330 summarize my final thoughts on it before we move to the bigger 707 00:36:49,330 --> 00:36:52,970 picture. This is the kind of performance 708 00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:55,720 that. It is almost feel I mean it 709 00:36:55,720 --> 00:37:00,280 feels like a loss whether or not you win and it's almost to some 710 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,160 degree you know it's it's like the worst kind of result because 711 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,360 you get you get you know your your team gets kicked around and 712 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,240 your your coaches get kicked around. 713 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:15,560 You won the game, but you look like you were completely 714 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,360 impotent and you frankly got really lucky because Akron 715 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,560 seemed absolutely committed to shooting themselves in the foot 716 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,520 and they did that multiple times and. 717 00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:28,660 While you you get the win, you also lack, you lose. 718 00:37:28,660 --> 00:37:31,380 The clarity that would have come either from losing the game 719 00:37:31,380 --> 00:37:35,100 where it's like this is, there's a clear problem because now you 720 00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:37,420 can always say, well look, a lot of things went wrong, but they 721 00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:40,580 still won the game. And I think that that masks for 722 00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:44,260 a lot of people the reality that this was. 723 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,400 A huge problem, not just in terms of the game, but in terms 724 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,640 of where this program is right now. 725 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,080 And as much as we had hoped through what we thought were 726 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,040 promising signs in the Louisville game, potentially 727 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,360 promising signs defensively with the Ohio State game, this resets 728 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,680 all of that back to zero. At least I think in in my mind 729 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,240 it does. And now it's like well. 730 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,680 There's not a lot to get excited about at this point with this 731 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,960 football team because as much as we wanted to say yes, they're 732 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,880 going to be competitive, it's really that they they they 733 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,520 clearly cannot run the ball again and they clearly tried to 734 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,520 make that a key part of their offense, which means that they 735 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,480 really haven't developed a passing game that works. 736 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,820 They don't have a red zone. Game and the defense has now 737 00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:35,460 shown that it can be gashed by a bad team, and you're about to 738 00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:38,860 head into the teeth of a Big 10 schedule that is full of 739 00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:42,500 offensively competent teams, if not significantly better than 740 00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:46,820 offensively competent teams. And that's that's a horrible 741 00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:50,140 combination, you know, You know. Again, the win is better than 742 00:38:50,140 --> 00:38:53,620 the loss, even when it's this type of a game against a team 743 00:38:53,620 --> 00:38:55,140 like Akron. But. 744 00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,290 It feels like the IT you almost get a lack of closure one way or 745 00:38:59,290 --> 00:39:04,130 the other because realistically it felt like a loss and it felt 746 00:39:04,130 --> 00:39:08,050 like a a barometer of where Indiana football is at. 747 00:39:08,050 --> 00:39:10,770 And I don't think anybody likes the millibars at this point. 748 00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:16,090 We did podcast titles. Nobody likes the Millibars. 749 00:39:16,090 --> 00:39:16,930 There you go. That's it. 750 00:39:17,330 --> 00:39:20,050 I mean here's here's one really good take away outside of the 751 00:39:20,050 --> 00:39:23,660 loss, The final drive of the first half with a minute 42 to 752 00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:27,180 go, we had all three timeouts. Like that's hey that's a nice 753 00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:28,420 thing to have a drive at the end. 754 00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:31,540 We we we got one first down and then we had an intentional 755 00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:34,500 grounding play and then we only got 4 yards on that and we 756 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:36,380 punted the ball off and got zero points out of it. 757 00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:38,950 It is. You know these state like this 758 00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:42,150 is a broadcaster thing. But the TV broadcast right 759 00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:45,950 before Tabin Jackson gets swarmed and gets you know, the 760 00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:48,110 intentional grounding because he just gets complete and up. 761 00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:51,390 They're talking about how you know he's he's telling us before 762 00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:53,070 the game. He likes it when the game speeds 763 00:39:53,070 --> 00:39:54,310 up and that's when I play my best. 764 00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:56,870 And the coaching staff told us this is this is a really 765 00:39:57,330 --> 00:40:00,610 concerning quote, if it's real, that he considers himself a much 766 00:40:00,610 --> 00:40:02,290 better. Game player than a practice 767 00:40:02,290 --> 00:40:04,810 player. It's like you've had four games. 768 00:40:04,850 --> 00:40:08,530 Like, anyway, you know, I heard that Tom Allen said that in the 769 00:40:08,530 --> 00:40:11,290 previous press conference that like, well, Jackson plays better 770 00:40:11,290 --> 00:40:13,690 than he practices. Like, OK, sorry, go ahead. 771 00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:17,850 Oh, no, no, it's it's concerning and this is the I'm just 772 00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:19,930 nitpicking here, but kind of moving off, you know? 773 00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:22,460 Allen said this after the game too. 774 00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:25,020 This kind of talk of, you know, hey we're five and O on our last 775 00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:26,820 overtime games. You know we're over good 776 00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:28,540 overtime team or whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. 777 00:40:28,540 --> 00:40:31,820 It's like this, this unawareness of what you're saying. 778 00:40:32,060 --> 00:40:34,820 I went back and looked the the last games that we've won in 779 00:40:34,820 --> 00:40:36,460 overtime. So we won this game against 780 00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:39,740 Akron, which I would say is a pretty pretty important win that 781 00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:44,620 we get. 2022 we won at Michigan State in two overtimes. 782 00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:47,540 That was a Big Ten team. But I would say that was at a 783 00:40:47,540 --> 00:40:49,740 point in the season where if you don't win that, that's a 784 00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:51,620 completely. You lost season like that's 785 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:54,580 You're hanging your hat. Last year on beating Michigan 786 00:40:54,580 --> 00:40:59,180 State, the year was so 2022. You also won an overtime game 787 00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:02,830 against Western Kentucky. Western Kentucky is a game that 788 00:41:02,830 --> 00:41:05,110 you if you lose that your season's over. 789 00:41:05,350 --> 00:41:07,990 In 2020 you beat Penn State and overtime Pennix. 790 00:41:08,070 --> 00:41:11,750 No problem there. But in 2019, your other overtime 791 00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:14,950 game was 2 overtimes against Purdue 4441. 792 00:41:15,070 --> 00:41:17,230 That's a bad Purdue team. You were on your way to the 793 00:41:17,230 --> 00:41:19,390 Gator Bowl. You could have pissed all of 794 00:41:19,390 --> 00:41:22,350 that away with a loss to Purdue. Yeah. 795 00:41:22,350 --> 00:41:25,630 So it's like out of the last, you know your your last five 796 00:41:25,630 --> 00:41:29,630 overtime games, four of them I would call, you know are like. 797 00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:33,540 Incredibly must win games and three of them were against 798 00:41:33,540 --> 00:41:35,460 really bad opponents. So it's just like that the 799 00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:38,260 awareness to be like these aren't great stats that make you 800 00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:41,420 look like some amazing you know come from behind or when the 801 00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:44,420 chips are down team. It's like no, like you got to be 802 00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:45,820 Akron. You got to be Western Kentucky. 803 00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:48,020 You had to be Purdue and then like last year Michigan State. 804 00:41:48,020 --> 00:41:50,540 Like you don't win that game. You're going basically over for 805 00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:52,420 the entire second-half of the Big 10 season. 806 00:41:53,340 --> 00:41:57,340 You know, I I think if you covered sports or follow sports 807 00:41:57,340 --> 00:42:02,790 long enough you you realize that coaches aren't in most cases 808 00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:05,110 going hold on. I'm getting somewhere with this. 809 00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:09,870 Coaches aren't going to be honest or in their postgame 810 00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:11,950 press conferences in their statements about where their 811 00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:13,670 teams are at. Some some coaches do it. 812 00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:18,110 But most coaches, and I think especially coaches like Allen, 813 00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:21,790 their their whole conceptualization of of how they 814 00:42:21,790 --> 00:42:24,990 do this is wrapped up in this idea that they are trying to 815 00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:27,950 project an attitude for their team. 816 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,600 And you know, so you grasp for whatever positive, well, hey, 817 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,040 you know we've, we've been resilient. 818 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,080 We've managed to win these games in these in these key moments 819 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,920 and there's always a flip side to that story. 820 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,360 And you know what I find really depressing about I U is just in 821 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,360 the last two years of the last 372 days, so, you know a little 822 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,920 over a year, Indiana's won four total football games. 823 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,640 One of them was against Western Kentucky where they needed the 824 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,920 opposing teams kicker to miss a 44 yard field goal at the death 825 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,560 to send it to overtime where they eventually won on a 50 yard 826 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,800 field goal of their own. One of the second win was the 827 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,200 Michigan State game which they won in double overtime which 828 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,880 they deserve credit for. But they only got to double 829 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:21,000 overtime because the Michigan State kicker missed a point 830 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,200 blank 22 yard field goal as time expired and then missed another 831 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:32,240 field goal in the overtime. Then in this season they beat 832 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,720 Indiana State who I would remind everybody is an FCS opponent. 833 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:42,800 And then last night they only get to overtime because Akron 834 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,000 trots out their punter as opposed to their kicker and 835 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,080 misses a 32 yard field goal at the death that would have 836 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,560 finished the game off. So our field goal defense is 837 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,400 just great Well, but it's like, I mean to some degree, if you 838 00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,520 think about variance, I mean I use post game win expectancy. 839 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,480 Last night I think I saw it was 3433%, somewhere in that range, 840 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,520 which is terrible for, you know, playing Akron A-Team, that's 841 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:13,920 120th in S&P. Plus, you know, that is an 842 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,600 incredible lucky streak for I U to have won those three games 843 00:44:19,570 --> 00:44:23,650 the way that they did, where at each turn your opponent had the 844 00:44:23,650 --> 00:44:27,810 sword at your neck and somehow managed to avoid connecting with 845 00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:30,810 any of your arteries and allowed you to get back up. 846 00:44:31,050 --> 00:44:35,490 Now I credit I guess for Indiana finishing those games off in 847 00:44:35,490 --> 00:44:38,490 overtime, but that is not a sustainable model. 848 00:44:38,490 --> 00:44:41,950 And if you think about it, you know Indiana's, you know the 849 00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:45,910 fact that of the the games against BCS opponents that 850 00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:48,470 they've played in the last two seasons that they've won. 851 00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:51,750 They've only they they've they've only won four games 852 00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:56,270 against FBS opponents. Sorry, no FBS opponents, power 5 853 00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:58,590 opponents. They've only won two games. 854 00:44:58,830 --> 00:45:01,430 Those were both last year against Illinois and Michigan 855 00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:02,830 State. But their their margin of 856 00:45:02,830 --> 00:45:05,110 victory in those games. They beat Illinois at home by 857 00:45:05,110 --> 00:45:07,390 three. They beat Western Kentucky by 858 00:45:07,390 --> 00:45:10,110 three and overtime. They beat Michigan State by 8 859 00:45:10,110 --> 00:45:11,960 and overtime. But as we mentioned they should 860 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,960 have lost that game and and that's that's it and then of 861 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,360 course last night they they beat Akron by two and overtime like 862 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,800 the the as much as we. Love averages are not the law. 863 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,840 I mean, well, well, they feels like they are though, because if 864 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,560 you think about the other games that Indiana has lost in that 865 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,840 time span, it's not like they were particularly close to 866 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,280 winning any of those games, you know? 867 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,640 I mean the the closest that they came was losing 38 to 33 to 868 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,450 Maryland at home and and that really it wasn't like Indiana 869 00:45:42,450 --> 00:45:44,490 like had a chance at the end to win that game. 870 00:45:44,490 --> 00:45:47,250 Like Maryland, Maryland won that game soundly, even if it was 871 00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:51,010 only by 5. And so I look at that and I say 872 00:45:51,930 --> 00:45:55,210 like, how bad is the situation without you right now when you 873 00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:58,410 look at it like that. You know if we take the the 874 00:45:58,410 --> 00:46:01,090 Zimmerman corollary as we'll call it, the idea that you know, 875 00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:04,530 Indiana's you know, greatest moments are the close losses. 876 00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:08,210 You know, you can't really hang your hat on, hey, we, we only 877 00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:11,970 lost by 7 points to Louisville or hey, we only lost by 5 at 878 00:46:11,970 --> 00:46:14,050 home to Maryland. Like the winds matter. 879 00:46:14,650 --> 00:46:18,150 And then you look at the winds and we can say, well, gosh, they 880 00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:20,070 beat Akron. So you, you know, even though 881 00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:22,630 the way that they beat them wasn't good, that you know it's 882 00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:24,670 still a win. But you can't do that with every 883 00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:27,510 game that you win against the FBS opponents. 884 00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:30,470 And that's exactly what you've had to do essentially over the 885 00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:32,590 last two years with this program. 886 00:46:32,590 --> 00:46:35,470 They're really the last three when you consider that, you 887 00:46:35,470 --> 00:46:39,270 know, you go back to the 2021 season and they didn't beat a 888 00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:42,430 Power 5 opponent that season. They beat Idaho and they beat 889 00:46:42,430 --> 00:46:45,390 Western Kentucky and they barely beat Western Kentucky at that. 890 00:46:45,390 --> 00:46:47,030 They only beat one that game by two points. 891 00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:52,390 Like this is a program that now through the last two and a third 892 00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:56,470 seasons has been right on the precipice of not winning any 893 00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:59,990 games against Power 5 opponents and they've gotten lucky to win 894 00:47:00,270 --> 00:47:03,070 the the two that they've won in that time. 895 00:47:03,310 --> 00:47:07,310 Like that is that is not just a red flag Scott. 896 00:47:07,310 --> 00:47:12,340 Like what I what I'm fascinated by is how the you know the the 897 00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:16,140 the commentary in the post game and the analysis has been Tom 898 00:47:16,140 --> 00:47:18,340 Allen needs to figure out how to fix this offense. 899 00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:21,980 And it's like, no, Tom Allen needs to figure out how to fix 900 00:47:21,980 --> 00:47:26,620 this program because you're talking about a program that is 901 00:47:26,620 --> 00:47:30,980 barely keeping its head above the waves and has been since the 902 00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:34,540 start of the 2021 season. And it's like, at at what point 903 00:47:35,660 --> 00:47:39,700 is, you know, is somebody going to come out and say there's a 904 00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:42,300 real problem with the way I U. Football is running right now? 905 00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:44,940 There's a real problem with how they're performing. 906 00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:48,060 This is not a oneoff issue with the Akron game. 907 00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:51,340 It's not a oneoff issue with the Western Kentucky game last year. 908 00:47:51,340 --> 00:47:54,620 It's not a oneoff issue with this is the program as it is 909 00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:56,580 right now. And it feels like to some 910 00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:59,220 degree, so much of the commentary around Tom Allen in 911 00:47:59,220 --> 00:48:03,650 particular is still so caught up in the 2019 and 2020 seasons 912 00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:07,650 that as good as those seasons were, I U hasn't been that 913 00:48:07,650 --> 00:48:11,690 program since the ball was kicked in the Outback Bowl. 914 00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:17,250 And you know, since that point, I U has devolved like back to a 915 00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:20,570 point where and you and I've been doing this for a long time, 916 00:48:20,730 --> 00:48:25,400 this looks exactly like how Indiana looked in the Bill Lynch 917 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,680 era. It looks it may be even slightly 918 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,320 worse. It looks exactly how they looked 919 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,960 in the Donardo era. You know, this is a program that 920 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,240 has some talent at some positions but has zero 921 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:39,000 consistency, has very little discipline in terms of how they 922 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,960 play week to week, and is a team that will beat itself more often 923 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,640 or just as often as they get smashed by better opponents, 924 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,720 they also beat themselves against opponents that they 925 00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:51,920 should win. Like so much of the romanticism 926 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,640 about the Allen era is about the atmosphere. 927 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,880 It's about the vibe, it's about the Leo stuff. 928 00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,840 And yet there's such little consistency in how they play 929 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,720 from week to week. And the the one consistency is 930 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:06,120 that they're generally going to find a way to play down to to 931 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,200 wherever their opponent is at at that point. 932 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,830 This to me is almost the nadir of that particular thing where 933 00:49:13,830 --> 00:49:17,190 it's like you are you're sitting around on a Sunday morning and 934 00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:22,150 you're counting your lucky stars that Akron was so bad at kicking 935 00:49:22,270 --> 00:49:26,190 and so bad at not committing penalties that you managed to 936 00:49:26,190 --> 00:49:30,190 escape on your home field with a two point victory in quadruple 937 00:49:30,190 --> 00:49:32,750 overtime like this is a much bigger deal. 938 00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:34,950 I think that people are making it out to be and they're making 939 00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:36,550 it out to be a big deal. It's not like people haven't 940 00:49:36,550 --> 00:49:38,390 talked about it, but I think they're concentrating on the 941 00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:42,840 wrong things right now. The trouble with all of this is, 942 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,680 and we've talked about this in the build up to the season it's 943 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:54,200 been, my concern is for years under whether it was under Lynch 944 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,570 or Wilson or Cameron. You know, as you and I were were 945 00:49:57,570 --> 00:49:59,290 getting to you'll go to games in college. 946 00:49:59,290 --> 00:50:01,810 It was like, all right if we could just, and this is a Zach 947 00:50:01,810 --> 00:50:03,090 Ostrom in quote, which I agree with. 948 00:50:03,090 --> 00:50:05,290 Like, you know college football programs like battleships, like, 949 00:50:05,290 --> 00:50:06,930 you know they they're kind of moving in a direction. 950 00:50:06,930 --> 00:50:09,170 They're hard to turn around. And it was always like, man, if 951 00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:11,570 we could just get some momentum, like if we could just get some 952 00:50:11,570 --> 00:50:15,930 good vibes going, you know that that's all is like nobody could 953 00:50:15,930 --> 00:50:17,730 get that going. It's like everyone's just stuck 954 00:50:17,730 --> 00:50:19,570 in the mud. You're in quick saying, kicking 955 00:50:19,570 --> 00:50:22,930 out to me the really frustrating part about where we're at. 956 00:50:23,470 --> 00:50:27,350 Is, you know, the people have that romanticism toward the 1920 957 00:50:27,350 --> 00:50:29,630 season with Alan, which is true and is great. 958 00:50:29,830 --> 00:50:33,590 But to me, what I loved about it is like it for 2 1/2 years 959 00:50:33,590 --> 00:50:36,030 there, me even 3. If you take, you know, a little 960 00:50:36,030 --> 00:50:39,230 bit of that 2018 season, it's like he had done it. 961 00:50:39,350 --> 00:50:42,830 Like he had done something that was so cool and promising is. 962 00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:47,090 He had the momentum at his back. He had great coordinators. 963 00:50:47,090 --> 00:50:48,450 He was bringing in new coordinators. 964 00:50:48,450 --> 00:50:49,730 He had a really good quarterback. 965 00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:52,410 Like he had won some games. You know the the Penn State, 966 00:50:52,410 --> 00:50:54,290 like we're having things happen that just hadn't happened. 967 00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:56,050 We're beating Michigan. We're beating Purdue. 968 00:50:56,050 --> 00:50:59,810 It's like we did it, man, like we're out of the quicksand. 969 00:51:00,290 --> 00:51:02,010 I'm not saying we're going to win the Big 10 when the roads 970 00:51:02,010 --> 00:51:04,170 like we're. We have some momentum. 971 00:51:04,170 --> 00:51:06,490 Like now we can raise the floor just a little bit. 972 00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:10,250 And it's like the last three years have felt like. 973 00:51:10,690 --> 00:51:13,250 What it feels like and you and I know this all too well, when you 974 00:51:13,250 --> 00:51:16,170 have a new coach, it's like we're rebuilding everything. 975 00:51:16,170 --> 00:51:19,250 It's like what happened, you had the momentum like that was 976 00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:21,290 really hard to build. You got it. 977 00:51:21,570 --> 00:51:25,890 And what really frightens me, Galen, is, you know, for 978 00:51:25,890 --> 00:51:30,850 somebody as Tom Allen, his staff that did that to to me, I've 979 00:51:30,850 --> 00:51:33,690 been searching for him to kind of be like, you know, we're 980 00:51:33,690 --> 00:51:38,530 going to go back to what we did in 20/17/2018 and 2019 to build 981 00:51:38,530 --> 00:51:41,230 that. And I think he's trying and he's 982 00:51:41,230 --> 00:51:42,870 grasping. What scares me, man, is like 983 00:51:43,150 --> 00:51:46,350 he's doing stuff like this year like we're going to run, you 984 00:51:46,350 --> 00:51:49,070 know, the option offense. Like we didn't do that. 985 00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:50,590 And we were good. Like when you were good, we 986 00:51:50,590 --> 00:51:52,070 weren't running the option, you know? 987 00:51:52,070 --> 00:51:53,030 And it's like, we're going to try it. 988 00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:54,110 We're not going to name quarterbacks. 989 00:51:54,110 --> 00:51:56,310 We're going to do all this BS. Like you didn't do that when 990 00:51:56,310 --> 00:51:58,470 you, like, go back to do what you did. 991 00:51:58,860 --> 00:52:02,100 And what worries me is I'm not sure either he knows or he he's 992 00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:05,540 trying different things or like. But to me it's like that's what 993 00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:08,820 you would do is when things get a little bit wonky, it's like, 994 00:52:08,860 --> 00:52:11,820 OK, reset everyone, pretend it's 2018. 995 00:52:12,020 --> 00:52:14,340 What are the 12 things we did that got this team back on? 996 00:52:14,340 --> 00:52:16,540 Let's start doing those things. But all the things we're doing 997 00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:20,060 now are none of the things that happened in 20/17/18 or 19. 998 00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:25,340 The in the real estate market, the houses that have the most 999 00:52:25,340 --> 00:52:28,820 internal problems, that the decor needs to be updated and 1000 00:52:28,820 --> 00:52:30,340 it's going to take thousands of dollars. 1001 00:52:30,340 --> 00:52:33,860 The floors are a mess. The foundations cracking the 1002 00:52:33,860 --> 00:52:36,420 listing. The text in the listing is 1003 00:52:36,420 --> 00:52:40,100 always great neighborhood or you know or you know, great 1004 00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:41,780 opportunity. Yeah. 1005 00:52:41,780 --> 00:52:43,220 And. And what you were just talking 1006 00:52:43,220 --> 00:52:46,540 about with Alan and the way that, you know, he's decided to 1007 00:52:46,540 --> 00:52:49,820 focus on certain things, it's like clearly the foundation is 1008 00:52:49,820 --> 00:52:52,780 not there and Alan is grasping at straws. 1009 00:52:52,780 --> 00:52:58,860 It appears to try to come up with subterfuge to keep people 1010 00:52:58,860 --> 00:53:01,100 from noticing that there is no foundation. 1011 00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:02,540 Either that or he doesn't know what he's doing. 1012 00:53:02,540 --> 00:53:06,860 I'd rather believe that this is a concerted effort to try to get 1013 00:53:06,940 --> 00:53:10,860 the hey look over there aspect of things to take the attention 1014 00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:13,980 off of the core issue, which is that, you know, despite all the 1015 00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:18,300 accolades that Alan has gotten about the recruiting being so 1016 00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:23,420 much better, the fact of the matter is hardly any of the 1017 00:53:23,420 --> 00:53:26,620 recruits that Alan has brought in over the last four years 1018 00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:31,230 played or made a contribution. Yeah, despite all the accolades 1019 00:53:31,230 --> 00:53:33,710 that people want to give Tom Allen for hiring hiring Kaylin 1020 00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:38,430 D'amour and hiring Kane Womack and and how much success Indiana 1021 00:53:38,430 --> 00:53:41,790 had in the two seasons where those two were the offensive? 1022 00:53:41,790 --> 00:53:44,190 Well, Debord was the offensive coordinator for one year. 1023 00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:46,750 Womack was the defensive coordinator for two years. 1024 00:53:46,750 --> 00:53:51,440 The fact of the matter is that Indiana's won 18 total games in 1025 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,800 the game in the seasons where Tom Allen didn't have one of 1026 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,160 those two guys as a coordinator, and the wins that they've gotten 1027 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,840 have been progressively less impressive. 1028 00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:08,680 I mean, you have to go back literally to 2018 to find a time 1029 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:14,080 when Indiana beat a Power 5 opponent by double digits in 1030 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,160 seasons where you didn't have De Boer or Wamak as a coordinator. 1031 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,760 And people can be like, well, you're cherry picking. 1032 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,560 But it's like, no, the point is not to. 1033 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,680 Not to dismiss that I U was good when De Boer and Wamak were 1034 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,120 coordinators, but to highlight that they're not coordinators 1035 00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,680 here anymore. I'm not sure if you've checked 1036 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,200 the the notes, but last I checked, Kaylin De Boer was 1037 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,080 coaching at Washington and had maybe the best team in the 1038 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,840 country. Last I checked, Kane Wamak just 1039 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,640 upset a Power 5 opponent on the road as the head coach of South 1040 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,890 Alabama. Those guys aren't here and and 1041 00:54:44,890 --> 00:54:48,210 what is here is Tom Allen and it's Tom Allen's program through 1042 00:54:48,210 --> 00:54:50,530 and through. It's all his players, it's all 1043 00:54:50,530 --> 00:54:53,410 his coaches and what we've seen over the last three years. 1044 00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:56,410 To me, increasingly it's hard to get away from. 1045 00:54:56,410 --> 00:54:59,770 This is a coach that doesn't seem to understand why his team 1046 00:54:59,770 --> 00:55:02,890 isn't good and has made a lot of decisions that have both 1047 00:55:02,890 --> 00:55:07,010 contributed to that and also don't address the core problem. 1048 00:55:07,010 --> 00:55:09,850 And you can go right back to, you know, we, we, you know, 1049 00:55:09,850 --> 00:55:11,650 we've talked about this on the podcast so many times, I don't 1050 00:55:11,650 --> 00:55:15,210 want to go over it again. But you hiring an untested 1051 00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:19,530 offensive coordinator at the time, when your program is at 1052 00:55:19,530 --> 00:55:22,410 the point where you said where they've shaken off a lot of the 1053 00:55:22,410 --> 00:55:26,290 muck and it looks like they've gotten out of that that terrible 1054 00:55:26,290 --> 00:55:32,140 2345 win cycle. Then you hire a guy who 1055 00:55:32,140 --> 00:55:35,100 apparently you're not satisfied with his defensive coordinator, 1056 00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:37,660 and then you shift back and you're the defensive coordinator 1057 00:55:37,660 --> 00:55:40,100 again, Despite that having not worked the previous time. 1058 00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:42,580 And then you shift again and you hire another guy, but you're 1059 00:55:42,580 --> 00:55:46,300 insistent that you run this system that you believe is the 1060 00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:49,820 key to success, even though it's a bit of a stale system 1061 00:55:49,820 --> 00:55:52,660 defensively. And then you fire the offensive 1062 00:55:52,660 --> 00:55:56,060 coordinator that you you're forced to fire in you and you 1063 00:55:56,060 --> 00:55:57,780 have to pay for that out of your own salary. 1064 00:55:57,780 --> 00:56:00,640 Why? Because that was a ridiculous 1065 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,920 hire in the 1st place. And so you go hire another 1066 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:10,080 offensive coordinator who was incapable of regularly having 1067 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:15,400 top 80, top 60 offenses in college sports as an offensive 1068 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,370 coordinator before and. Well, oh God, you have the worst 1069 00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:21,770 offensive line in the conference and you don't fire that coach, 1070 00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:24,370 right? I mean you're forced to, you 1071 00:56:24,370 --> 00:56:26,970 know and what do we hear about that stuff? 1072 00:56:26,970 --> 00:56:29,770 No, we hear about what Indiana doesn't have NIL money or 1073 00:56:29,770 --> 00:56:32,490 Indiana this or that. And it's like, you know, the at 1074 00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:37,930 some point there has to be, there has, there has to be an 1075 00:56:37,930 --> 00:56:43,490 acceptance, a focus internally from Alan that maybe what he 1076 00:56:43,490 --> 00:56:47,800 thinks works for a program doesn't actually work. 1077 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,360 And look, I'm sorry. And on our friends at Assembly 1078 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,560 Call pointed this out, a couple of other people as well. 1079 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,480 Go back and read the comments that Alan made in the postgame 1080 00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,160 press conference and tell me if you see any personal 1081 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,080 accountability from Alan for the way that they played yesterday. 1082 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,200 You know, I mean there's there's we stuff in there, but it's 1083 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,560 like, well, we got to figure out what's wrong with the offense. 1084 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,480 And you know, we're going to, we're going to reevaluate 1085 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,000 everything. It's like that's not personal 1086 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,800 accountability. That's all our players seem to 1087 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,980 have screwed up or our offensive coordinator seem to have screwed 1088 00:57:16,980 --> 00:57:18,820 up. It's like this is your people. 1089 00:57:18,940 --> 00:57:20,980 This is the job of the head coach like. 1090 00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:24,300 You you need to go out there and take some accountability. 1091 00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:26,900 It's very cream like, like you know if you remember when things 1092 00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:29,700 started to go bad for cream, it was suddenly the players fault. 1093 00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:32,180 It was suddenly like, well, this, you know, it's never, 1094 00:57:32,180 --> 00:57:36,010 there never seems to be that sense of personal accountability 1095 00:57:36,130 --> 00:57:38,690 and this is not a personal thing against Tom Allen. 1096 00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:42,290 I would have this reaction with any coach, but you know, it gets 1097 00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:46,170 really, really irritating when you look back at this last, you 1098 00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:48,810 know, 2 1/2 seasons, two and a third seasons, whatever. 1099 00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:55,740 And you see, I think, a very clear pattern of a lack of 1100 00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:59,220 development of players, of offensive systems that don't 1101 00:57:59,220 --> 00:58:02,540 work, culminating in a season where you're averaging less than 1102 00:58:02,540 --> 00:58:06,380 two touchdowns a game in regulation against FBS opponents 1103 00:58:06,380 --> 00:58:08,580 thus far. You can't run the ball despite 1104 00:58:08,580 --> 00:58:10,260 saying that was going to be what you were going to focus 1105 00:58:10,260 --> 00:58:13,020 everything on. Like, yeah, I see all of those 1106 00:58:13,020 --> 00:58:14,890 things. It's like it's okay to come out 1107 00:58:14,890 --> 00:58:16,730 and say I'm not doing a good enough job. 1108 00:58:16,730 --> 00:58:18,690 I need to figure out how to make this team better. 1109 00:58:18,690 --> 00:58:22,090 Like just just do something to show some level of leadership, 1110 00:58:22,450 --> 00:58:25,970 You know, take some of the the the stress and pressure off of 1111 00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:28,150 your team. There's other things to think 1112 00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:31,030 about which is like you, you've clearly not made the right 1113 00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:34,070 offensive coordinator higher if this is the results that you're 1114 00:58:34,070 --> 00:58:35,390 getting and this is a rough business. 1115 00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:37,590 And again, I have nothing personal against Walt Bell. 1116 00:58:37,590 --> 00:58:39,510 Actually, I like Walt Bell in the press conferences. 1117 00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:41,190 I think he says a lot of right things. 1118 00:58:41,590 --> 00:58:45,750 And I often wonder, is this Walt Bell making decisions that are 1119 00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:48,950 bad on the play calling. Is it Tom Allen saying at the 1120 00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:51,110 goal line against Louisville we're going to run it in? 1121 00:58:51,580 --> 00:58:53,780 I don't know. And if you know there's such a 1122 00:58:54,340 --> 00:58:57,900 curtain of of obscuring the decision making process with 1123 00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:00,540 this program you have no real clue what's going on. 1124 00:59:00,660 --> 00:59:07,900 But you know the the I, U football right now feels like, 1125 00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:10,700 as I said, it's barely keeping its head above water. 1126 00:59:11,140 --> 00:59:15,780 And the what we've seen this year is just a complete 1127 00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:18,940 continuation of what we've seen the two previous years. 1128 00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:22,860 I see I'm not only do I not see improvement, Scott, I see 1129 00:59:22,860 --> 00:59:25,780 regression. And I didn't think that that was 1130 00:59:25,780 --> 00:59:28,980 possible after last year because you know, that team got a bit 1131 00:59:28,980 --> 00:59:30,860 lucky with the four wins that they got. 1132 00:59:31,060 --> 00:59:34,180 But it felt like there might be some pieces to build on. 1133 00:59:34,180 --> 00:59:37,010 They go out and get a bunch of guys in the portal and as our 1134 00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:39,450 friend Taylor Layman pointed out, like last night looked 1135 00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:42,090 absolutely like a bunch of transfers who would never really 1136 00:59:42,090 --> 00:59:44,170 played together before on defense, like they looked 1137 00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:47,530 completely discombobulated. The offense doesn't have an 1138 00:59:47,530 --> 00:59:51,770 identity, doesn't have a focus, doesn't have a a system that 1139 00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:55,570 they can rely on and say this is what we're going to do and I'm 1140 00:59:55,570 --> 00:59:58,090 sorry, you can blame the offensive coordinator all you 1141 00:59:58,090 --> 00:59:59,530 want. You can say the players aren't 1142 00:59:59,530 --> 01:00:02,810 executing, which has been now said on multiple occasions, like 1143 01:00:02,850 --> 01:00:06,570 the head coach's job is to run the business of the program. 1144 01:00:06,690 --> 01:00:09,530 That's part of the business of the program is making sure that 1145 01:00:09,530 --> 01:00:15,650 you have that foundation agree. With all of that, like, thumbs 1146 01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:16,690 up emoji. No, it's. 1147 01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:18,810 And you know, to me, it's little things. 1148 01:00:18,810 --> 01:00:21,890 It's big things. You know, I hate to nitpick on 1149 01:00:21,890 --> 01:00:26,270 emotion but there is you know the I I go back to thinking of 1150 01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:29,230 like you know let's take this all seriously and let's act like 1151 01:00:29,230 --> 01:00:31,070 a serious program. And and again I know you're 1152 01:00:31,070 --> 01:00:32,270 fired up. No, not you. 1153 01:00:32,310 --> 01:00:35,350 Like as come on you're fired up last night when Akron misses the 1154 01:00:35,350 --> 01:00:37,630 field goal. But you think of like imagine if 1155 01:00:37,630 --> 01:00:40,550 you know Georgia was losing to a, you know, division two 1156 01:00:40,550 --> 01:00:43,550 opponent and FBS opponent and they you know that that happened 1157 01:00:43,550 --> 01:00:44,950 to them. I don't see Kirby Smart like 1158 01:00:45,150 --> 01:00:46,550 running and jumping and screaming the field. 1159 01:00:46,550 --> 01:00:48,520 It's going to be like, all right guys we dodged a bull let's get 1160 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,120 this done. Like let's be done like there's 1161 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,120 kind of like a professionalism I feel like is missing. 1162 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,240 It's like yes, I know you're excited because you didn't lose 1163 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,040 to Akron. Like there's still an overtime. 1164 01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,400 Like you shouldn't be this happy that they missed a field goal. 1165 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,880 But I I was texting a couple of friends this and you know I'm 1166 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,800 I'm I'm going to just like you got into the the you know 1167 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,800 relegation narrative you know didn't want to like it's 1168 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,120 marketing thing. I don't want to talk about the 1169 01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,240 fans supported I U. But this is my thought after 1170 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,680 last night and hearing a little bit in some postgame stuff about 1171 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,120 like you know how you know bad attention and it's all it's like 1172 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,000 look and this is through the program. 1173 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,800 It's to Allen to everybody. It's like it you you want I you 1174 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,520 football to be taken seriously like a serious program. 1175 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,680 Then like go act like a serious program like look like you are 1176 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,080 prepared to win against Ohio State. 1177 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,880 Look like that you're prepared to play the first half against 1178 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,880 Louisville. Look like you're prepared to 1179 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,360 come out and beat Akron and then when you realize it's not going 1180 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,280 well, look like, I mean, that Akron, Kentucky game was close 1181 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,280 for a little bit. And the Kentucky's like, all 1182 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:49,520 right, we're going to dust you off. 1183 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,520 Like a lot of games are like, you know, 710 three at halftime 1184 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,520 and then the better team is like, all right, we're done with 1185 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,440 that. It's like the Ohio State Indiana 1186 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,880 game, like Ohio State was sleepwalking and Ryan Day 1187 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,680 probably kicked him in the ass. And it's like, all right, they 1188 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,760 came out and they still didn't do great, but like, they won 23 1189 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,340 or three. Like, act like a serious 1190 01:02:06,340 --> 01:02:08,700 program, Do things that serious programs do. 1191 01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:11,260 And to your point as a coach, admit that it's wrong. 1192 01:02:11,260 --> 01:02:14,100 Because by the way, if you said, like, if he came out and said, 1193 01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:16,940 hey, this is not good enough, no one's going to be like Tom. 1194 01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:18,820 I disagree. It's like, I agree with, like 1195 01:02:18,820 --> 01:02:22,820 this is not good enough. Like, not even for Alan, just 1196 01:02:22,820 --> 01:02:27,300 for any football program. Like you're you won no big 10 1197 01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:31,020 games two years ago. You won two last year, you snuck 1198 01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:35,860 by and one of those this year. I mean we'll see how many you're 1199 01:02:35,860 --> 01:02:38,380 going to win. You know and this is where I 1200 01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:41,300 will say, you know I'm, I will keep my thoughts about where we 1201 01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:43,660 go the rest of the season private as we get going. 1202 01:02:43,660 --> 01:02:45,940 But you know our our preview, I thought we would win one game 1203 01:02:45,940 --> 01:02:47,900 against Purdue. We're still on track for that. 1204 01:02:48,060 --> 01:02:50,260 You you thought we'd win one game against Rutgers. 1205 01:02:50,540 --> 01:02:54,020 There's nothing that I've seen that's going to scale my 1206 01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:58,500 expectations up beyond that. And, you know, and that and 1207 01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:00,840 that's where it's like, again, if you're going to win, let's 1208 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,640 just say that is what happens. I don't want to get too much 1209 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,560 into theoreticals, but if you're going to win three Big 10 games 1210 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,680 in three seasons, like that's not a program that needs to be 1211 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,680 taken seriously. When I had friends texting me 1212 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,000 making fun of me last night, it's like, look, don't take. 1213 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,800 I like we're not a serious program. 1214 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,320 Like because they're just not acting that way at all, I mean. 1215 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,600 Yeah the the the cognitive dissonance and again our friends 1216 01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,840 at Assembly Call pointed this out of Alan running around and 1217 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,640 slapping everybody on the shoulder pads and and being all 1218 01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:34,280 excited when I you stop that two point conversion and quadruple 1219 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,760 overtime against Akron and then going in the press conference 1220 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,040 and throwing everybody under the bus including the offensive 1221 01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:44,440 coaching staff is I mean that is really jarring and and look you 1222 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,240 know on the one hand I am I think anybody in that position 1223 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,890 is going to try. To deflect blame off themselves. 1224 01:03:53,890 --> 01:03:55,290 It's tough being asked questions. 1225 01:03:55,290 --> 01:03:57,050 It's tough knowing that your team didn't put in a good 1226 01:03:57,050 --> 01:03:59,650 performance. But this is a consistent problem 1227 01:03:59,650 --> 01:04:04,490 with Alan, where when times are good, everybody loves Alan 1228 01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:06,450 without everybody. But a lot of people love Alan 1229 01:04:06,450 --> 01:04:08,050 jumping around. They're like, oh, this guy has 1230 01:04:08,050 --> 01:04:10,450 so much passion for I U Football, and he does. 1231 01:04:10,450 --> 01:04:13,370 And it's like, I don't think Alan is dispassionate about I U 1232 01:04:13,370 --> 01:04:15,210 football. I think this is just who he is. 1233 01:04:15,490 --> 01:04:20,340 But it's it really. Makes it for a ridiculous 1234 01:04:20,340 --> 01:04:25,340 looking representation when and it happened at half time at the 1235 01:04:25,340 --> 01:04:28,580 Purdue game last year we talked about this where you know they 1236 01:04:29,180 --> 01:04:32,100 they they they essentially killed the last four minutes of 1237 01:04:32,100 --> 01:04:34,460 the clock in the first half and the you know the guys running 1238 01:04:34,460 --> 01:04:39,980 around and and it's just like it it really does feel like the 1239 01:04:39,980 --> 01:04:44,060 lack of professionalism that the team exhibits in the penalties 1240 01:04:44,060 --> 01:04:46,660 in in playing down to opposition. 1241 01:04:47,030 --> 01:04:49,950 Flows a lot from that. And it's like if you celebrate 1242 01:04:50,070 --> 01:04:53,870 everything and if every every accomplishment, however minor, 1243 01:04:54,270 --> 01:04:56,550 is considered to be reason for celebration. 1244 01:04:57,270 --> 01:05:01,830 It really makes the the standard that you're supposed to have set 1245 01:05:01,830 --> 01:05:05,070 for your program pretty well. And it feels that way. 1246 01:05:05,070 --> 01:05:08,430 Like, I'm sorry, beating Akron by two is embarrassing. 1247 01:05:08,430 --> 01:05:09,470 It's it is. It is. 1248 01:05:09,590 --> 01:05:11,950 You know, go back to the beginning of the podcast, the 1249 01:05:11,950 --> 01:05:14,530 teams that Akron has beaten, you know, we should have lost. 1250 01:05:14,530 --> 01:05:15,930 Like, that's the thing. Like just when you look at this 1251 01:05:15,930 --> 01:05:18,170 game, it'll go down as a win. But like they they missed a 1252 01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:20,330 field goal, like they dropped touchdowns, like tons of 1253 01:05:20,330 --> 01:05:21,890 penalties. There's four different plays. 1254 01:05:21,890 --> 01:05:24,090 You change them, we lose and like the field goal's 1. 1255 01:05:24,090 --> 01:05:25,330 Of them. I mean, look, I, and I'll say 1256 01:05:25,330 --> 01:05:28,370 this, it's not a question for you. 1257 01:05:28,370 --> 01:05:30,850 It's so important that Indiana football be good. 1258 01:05:30,930 --> 01:05:33,450 It really is. I mean, it is, it is so 1259 01:05:33,450 --> 01:05:37,210 important financially for the university, reputationally for 1260 01:05:37,210 --> 01:05:39,930 the university, in terms of recruiting students and getting 1261 01:05:39,930 --> 01:05:41,610 students interested in campus life. 1262 01:05:42,180 --> 01:05:44,740 It's so important competitively for Indiana to be good, 1263 01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:48,140 especially in an era where you don't know what's going to 1264 01:05:48,140 --> 01:05:50,620 happen down the line with television contracts and with 1265 01:05:50,620 --> 01:05:54,900 the order of things like I, U, Football has to be maybe, maybe 1266 01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:57,500 good is is a bridge too far. I don't think it's actually a 1267 01:05:57,500 --> 01:05:59,580 bridge too far. But they have to at least be 1268 01:05:59,780 --> 01:06:03,700 competent and professional about what they do, and they're not. 1269 01:06:03,740 --> 01:06:05,500 And they haven't been for three years. 1270 01:06:05,580 --> 01:06:11,100 And you know what worries me? You know the when I look at 1271 01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:13,820 Alan. I I see a guy who does not 1272 01:06:13,820 --> 01:06:17,260 appear to acknowledge that in what he does. 1273 01:06:17,260 --> 01:06:19,500 He might say that he does if you asked him. 1274 01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:22,180 But then you look at the actions that have taken place over the 1275 01:06:22,180 --> 01:06:25,420 course of the last three years, and none of them add up to a 1276 01:06:25,420 --> 01:06:30,020 person who is conscious about why the program is barely 1277 01:06:30,020 --> 01:06:34,140 keeping its head above water and that that never ends well. 1278 01:06:34,140 --> 01:06:36,660 I mean, we've seen this in other sports. 1279 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,360 You know, I mean, to some degree we kind of saw it with the 1280 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,000 ending of the Green era, even with the Big 10 Championship in 1281 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,560 the year before he got fired. And we've seen it with other 1282 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,640 coaches. Like when you're when when the 1283 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,880 when the, when the professionalism levels aren't 1284 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,240 able to sustain, when everything else is going wrong, that's 1285 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,320 where you really start to get into problems. 1286 01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:01,720 And I and I just worry that, and at a juncture when Indiana has 1287 01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,560 to be putting its best foot forward in football, they don't 1288 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,860 appear to have. The set up in place right now to 1289 01:07:08,860 --> 01:07:13,220 take advantage of that and I really do worry that you know, 1290 01:07:13,220 --> 01:07:16,020 Indiana's back themselves into a corner obviously with Alan's 1291 01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:17,940 contract. I mean we've talked about this, 1292 01:07:17,940 --> 01:07:19,700 you know, throughout the course of the season. 1293 01:07:21,460 --> 01:07:25,020 I would be really concerned not just for this year but for next 1294 01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:26,860 year because there doesn't appear to be a plan. 1295 01:07:26,860 --> 01:07:28,820 I mean the they're going to go back. 1296 01:07:28,820 --> 01:07:30,580 I mean, this is, you know, I think about what happened last 1297 01:07:30,580 --> 01:07:33,220 year where, you know, during the offseason. 1298 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,880 You know, there's the rare question you get about Darren 1299 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,480 Hiller as the offensive line coach and people pointing to how 1300 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,200 how underperforming the offensive line has been is like 1301 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,360 It wasn't even a consideration that Hiller would be moved on to 1302 01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,720 a different job. And then only in October, when 1303 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,640 it got to the point where Indiana could not ignore. 1304 01:07:54,330 --> 01:07:57,930 The fact that the offensive lines lack of play was creating 1305 01:07:58,130 --> 01:08:00,370 problems that their offense couldn't overcome. 1306 01:08:00,690 --> 01:08:03,130 Did Hiller get relieved of his duties? 1307 01:08:03,130 --> 01:08:06,810 And it was treated like it was this, you know, dark day in in 1308 01:08:06,810 --> 01:08:08,850 Indiana football history by the coaching staff. 1309 01:08:08,850 --> 01:08:11,090 And it's like, no, that's a move that should have happened a 1310 01:08:11,090 --> 01:08:13,770 couple of years earlier. Again, not anything personal 1311 01:08:13,770 --> 01:08:15,690 with Hiller. It's a performancebased 1312 01:08:15,690 --> 01:08:17,680 enterprise. Now you've got the same 1313 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,240 situation starting to transpire with Walt Bell. 1314 01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:22,319 What are they going to do? They're going to go back and 1315 01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:24,479 look at everything of the offense, which is essentially 1316 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,319 what Allen said in his postgame press conference. 1317 01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,760 It is the 24th of September, Scott, 1/3 of the season is over 1318 01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,000 and guess what? There's no more easy games. 1319 01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,680 They got to go to Maryland, they got to go to Michigan. 1320 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,160 They got a a Rutgers team that does not look incompetent for 1321 01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,160 homecoming. They got to go to Penn State. 1322 01:08:41,790 --> 01:08:44,630 I mean, that's the next four games that Indiana's got. 1323 01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:46,870 You've already named a starter. You can't now unname it when you 1324 01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:48,990 go back to the no starter. What are you, what are you going 1325 01:08:48,990 --> 01:08:51,950 to reevaluate with your offense at this point? 1326 01:08:52,069 --> 01:08:53,870 What are you going to do about your defense? 1327 01:08:53,950 --> 01:08:57,310 I mean, how do you get four games into a season, coming off 1328 01:08:57,310 --> 01:09:01,590 the season where a lot of shit didn't go well and say? 1329 01:09:02,260 --> 01:09:04,340 Well, now we got to go back and look at everything and really 1330 01:09:04,340 --> 01:09:06,979 see what we're doing. Like you don't know at this 1331 01:09:06,979 --> 01:09:08,740 point. But the flip side is what's the 1332 01:09:08,740 --> 01:09:10,700 remedy? You're going to fire Walt Bell 1333 01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:12,540 halfway through the season? No. 1334 01:09:12,859 --> 01:09:15,380 Who's going to take his place? Why would that be any better 1335 01:09:15,899 --> 01:09:18,819 than what you've currently got? I mean, people, you know, Walt 1336 01:09:18,819 --> 01:09:20,420 Bell's play calling has been bad. 1337 01:09:20,660 --> 01:09:24,859 I will be the first to say that. But you know how much of that is 1338 01:09:24,899 --> 01:09:27,740 what Walt Bell has to work with with the offensive line? 1339 01:09:27,740 --> 01:09:29,540 How much of it is, you know, the fact that? 1340 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,960 You you didn't go out and get a veteran quarterback to come in 1341 01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,680 and try to quarterback this team. 1342 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,000 You decided that you were going to reorient the offense towards 1343 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,560 something that Indiana cannot do, and now you're trying to 1344 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,160 back out of it again like you can. 1345 01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:46,479 You could fire the offensive coordinator or you could tell 1346 01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,640 the offensive coordinator, hey, we got to go back to the drawing 1347 01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,720 board. It's too late for the drawing 1348 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,120 board when you're a third of the way through the season and, you 1349 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:57,200 know have no more margin for error games to try things out. 1350 01:09:57,700 --> 01:10:01,140 And as you pointed out at the beginning of the podcast, in a 1351 01:10:01,140 --> 01:10:03,340 game where you could have thrown the ball and tried some 1352 01:10:03,340 --> 01:10:05,900 different things, their approach, they really thought 1353 01:10:05,900 --> 01:10:10,300 the best thing with those goal line situations was to run a 1354 01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:13,220 bunch of running place. And it's just like that like we 1355 01:10:13,220 --> 01:10:15,420 know that doesn't work. We know that that's not the 1356 01:10:15,420 --> 01:10:18,100 case. So that I just and I'm going to 1357 01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:22,180 let you talk here in a second. But the the idea that that's the 1358 01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:24,380 rhetoric coming out of the press conference and we got to go back 1359 01:10:24,380 --> 01:10:27,930 to the drawing board. Should highlight how off the 1360 01:10:27,930 --> 01:10:31,210 rails this program has gotten under Alan and it's it's year 1361 01:10:31,210 --> 01:10:33,330 seven. I'm sorry it's not he didn't 1362 01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:37,610 just start it And and you know again this is, this is a 1363 01:10:37,610 --> 01:10:40,850 professional critique for I U Football to be at the point 1364 01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:44,530 where they're at right now where they're they're licking their 1365 01:10:44,530 --> 01:10:46,850 wounds but celebrating a win against Akron. 1366 01:10:47,450 --> 01:10:50,370 That what we've seen on the field from this team really 1367 01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:57,140 paints a picture of a program that is is out of out of answers 1368 01:10:57,140 --> 01:10:59,700 and they don't even seem to entirely know what the questions 1369 01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:03,780 are in the 1st place. I I'm, I I have a question to 1370 01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:06,100 ask you that hopefully gets us on a positive note. 1371 01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:10,340 But before we get there I just. I want to go into the sorrow pit 1372 01:11:10,340 --> 01:11:12,940 with you for one more minute because you said something about 1373 01:11:12,940 --> 01:11:16,740 how important it is you know for for football to be good for all 1374 01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:18,860 the reasons you laid out. The other thing that is 1375 01:11:18,860 --> 01:11:22,940 concerning to me that I saw last night about those runs wasn't 1376 01:11:22,940 --> 01:11:24,700 just from a gameplay perspectives that they're not 1377 01:11:24,700 --> 01:11:28,900 working and you can speak to this, but I heard it on TV in 1378 01:11:28,900 --> 01:11:31,700 the third and fourth quarters on some of those times where we ran 1379 01:11:31,700 --> 01:11:34,660 and it was like end of downs. I was hearing a lot of boos, 1380 01:11:34,660 --> 01:11:38,340 like I was hearing people booing and and this is something I 1381 01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:41,260 mentioned on the pregame or sorry, the the preseason pod 1382 01:11:41,260 --> 01:11:43,780 that, you know, we're starting to get some of that like 1383 01:11:43,820 --> 01:11:46,220 antagonistic feeling back between the program and the 1384 01:11:46,220 --> 01:11:50,380 fans, which I don't like. You know, under under Wilson 1385 01:11:50,850 --> 01:11:53,290 every year they had this like spring kickoff where you could 1386 01:11:53,290 --> 01:11:54,930 go on the field and see the players. 1387 01:11:54,930 --> 01:11:56,930 And like there was like just it was just a, you know, walk 1388 01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:58,770 around the stadium and like it was just a spring day. 1389 01:11:58,970 --> 01:12:02,570 That's all gone. Like we get no updates as season 1390 01:12:02,570 --> 01:12:06,090 ticket holders and fans. We've lost all access to this 1391 01:12:06,090 --> 01:12:08,690 team. And then, you know, I'm not 1392 01:12:08,690 --> 01:12:11,770 saying that fans know what's best for the team, and just 1393 01:12:11,770 --> 01:12:13,530 because the fans are booing, it's bad. 1394 01:12:13,890 --> 01:12:16,730 But you know, part of the part of the engine is driving. 1395 01:12:16,730 --> 01:12:19,570 All of this stuff is money, but part of it is like it's 1396 01:12:19,610 --> 01:12:22,470 entertainment. Like, I'm there to watch a fun 1397 01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:24,750 product. Yes, I'd love to see wins. 1398 01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:27,350 I'm not saying you need to run the playbook based on what the 1399 01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:29,910 fans want, but there is a world where, like, if you're going to 1400 01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:32,430 win two or three games a year, let's just have some fun. 1401 01:12:32,710 --> 01:12:35,150 And this this whole idea of like we're just going to keep running 1402 01:12:35,150 --> 01:12:38,710 the ball, kneeling and killing the clock and being happy with 1403 01:12:38,710 --> 01:12:41,270 these moral victories, it it is baffling. 1404 01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:44,550 And then you know truth be told you I'm hearing from some other 1405 01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:47,830 fans that I know that you know I use getting annoyed at fans for 1406 01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:50,070 not showing up to games like talking to season ticket hole 1407 01:12:50,980 --> 01:12:51,860 folders. Like you know you're selling 1408 01:12:51,860 --> 01:12:52,620 your tickets. You shouldn't. 1409 01:12:52,620 --> 01:12:54,380 It's like what are we doing here? 1410 01:12:54,380 --> 01:12:56,860 Like you need to energize this fan base. 1411 01:12:56,900 --> 01:12:58,980 And I'm not saying you call plays to do that. 1412 01:12:59,140 --> 01:13:01,420 But I will say that when you're continually doing the same 1413 01:13:01,420 --> 01:13:04,460 thing, it's not working on the field and then fans are booing 1414 01:13:04,460 --> 01:13:06,620 you for it like we're we're not in a good space. 1415 01:13:06,860 --> 01:13:11,740 To exactly your point like part of what makes Indiana a very 1416 01:13:11,740 --> 01:13:15,700 desirable university, as we have this active and engaged alumni 1417 01:13:15,700 --> 01:13:17,900 base. Unfortunately, it is just all to 1418 01:13:17,900 --> 01:13:21,860 basketball because football has been relatively uncompetitive. 1419 01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:25,060 But you get these moments where it does feel like the program 1420 01:13:25,060 --> 01:13:28,860 becomes, like, actively antagonistic toward the fans. 1421 01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:32,660 And as a fan, an alumnus, a season ticket holder, I'm 1422 01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:34,700 starting to feel that too. And there's a part where I'm 1423 01:13:34,700 --> 01:13:36,900 like, I'm not saying they have to win. 1424 01:13:37,220 --> 01:13:40,060 I'm not saying that like I I go, I deserve a win. 1425 01:13:40,260 --> 01:13:44,060 What I am saying is, if the game is going to be 4 1/2 hours and 1426 01:13:44,060 --> 01:13:47,060 I'm going to be there and spend the money I do, I'd like to have 1427 01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:49,620 some kind of entertainment like something. 1428 01:13:49,660 --> 01:13:51,700 Well, it is fun to watch. You can. 1429 01:13:51,980 --> 01:13:57,060 You can get away with really dull offense. 1430 01:13:57,100 --> 01:14:00,420 If you're winning games, I mean, but look at what happened to 1431 01:14:00,420 --> 01:14:01,940 Iowa yesterday. You know, Iowa. 1432 01:14:02,580 --> 01:14:04,300 Iowa's entire thing is like, what? 1433 01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:05,580 We're not going to score a lot of points. 1434 01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:10,620 But the other team isn't either, and they they accrued 76 yards 1435 01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:12,820 of offense against Penn State and lost 31. 1436 01:14:12,820 --> 01:14:14,380 Nothing. And their fans are freaking out. 1437 01:14:14,460 --> 01:14:17,570 And they should be. Because and and I was had a lot 1438 01:14:17,570 --> 01:14:22,730 of success but that's that's not I mean Iowa ran 33 total plays 1439 01:14:22,770 --> 01:14:25,370 in the whole game yesterday which I didn't think was 1440 01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:27,210 possible even with the new clock rules. 1441 01:14:27,210 --> 01:14:29,570 That's insane. Don't don't say it too loud. 1442 01:14:29,570 --> 01:14:32,650 Alan might go for 32 next week. But but it's clear. 1443 01:14:32,770 --> 01:14:35,010 Here's the problem and this that really does tie back into the 1444 01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:37,850 coaching staff situation. It's clear that that's what. 1445 01:14:38,620 --> 01:14:43,180 I U Alan and his coaches think they have to do to win and that 1446 01:14:43,180 --> 01:14:46,620 is a terrible indictment on where Indiana's program is right 1447 01:14:46,620 --> 01:14:48,460 now. If they feel that they have to, 1448 01:14:48,940 --> 01:14:52,380 to make the offense that unattractive because they don't 1449 01:14:52,380 --> 01:14:57,020 think they can win any other way, I mean that's that's about, 1450 01:14:57,020 --> 01:15:00,580 as you said, that's about the worst case scenario for Indiana 1451 01:15:00,580 --> 01:15:04,100 football because you are going to lose fans. 1452 01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:06,460 I mean, there were not that many people in the stands yesterday 1453 01:15:06,580 --> 01:15:08,220 and I think the official attendance was. 1454 01:15:08,690 --> 01:15:11,330 Was 44,000 or thereabouts, I think is what I saw. 1455 01:15:11,330 --> 01:15:14,730 They were not 44,000 people in the stadium and you know it was 1456 01:15:14,730 --> 01:15:16,690 a beautiful night. It was a beautiful day. 1457 01:15:16,690 --> 01:15:19,570 The tailgate was great. Like the stuff leading up to the 1458 01:15:19,570 --> 01:15:23,210 game was just fine. And then the game itself was 1459 01:15:23,210 --> 01:15:26,170 really hard to watch. I mean you know and I was I was 1460 01:15:26,170 --> 01:15:31,450 up in in my normal section and I'm just like this is it was it 1461 01:15:31,450 --> 01:15:35,290 just wasn't good football and the IT it wasn't just. 1462 01:15:36,270 --> 01:15:38,830 The bad play calling, it was also just a huge number of 1463 01:15:38,830 --> 01:15:41,310 mistakes that Indiana's players did make. 1464 01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:43,590 You know, whether it was McCauley dropping the wide open 1465 01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:45,990 play or, you know whether it was some of the penalties that were 1466 01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:49,670 accrued or whether it was some of the passes that were wrong or 1467 01:15:49,670 --> 01:15:51,550 you know what. And those are always the things 1468 01:15:51,550 --> 01:15:54,030 that get focused on. But the missed tackles, That was 1469 01:15:54,030 --> 01:15:57,190 the thing that got me like for as much as the defense is 1470 01:15:57,190 --> 01:15:59,950 supposed to be, I guess, what carries this team? 1471 01:15:59,950 --> 01:16:02,710 The number of missed tackles, the people around me who were 1472 01:16:02,710 --> 01:16:05,190 not real, these were not, you know, these are parents of of. 1473 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,880 Of students, they don't really care that much, but they were 1474 01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,720 getting frustrated by the second quarter with all of the missed 1475 01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,840 tackles. It's not an attractive brand of 1476 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,480 football. It's not something that people 1477 01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:17,480 want to go watch. It's not something that people 1478 01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:21,720 want to get excited about. And the fact you know it's it's 1479 01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:26,720 so disappointing because you know 2019 and 2020, it wasn't 1480 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,680 just. The the way that I U played in 1481 01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,200 terms of the way they were set up for the play calls on 1482 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,000 offense, but they had exciting players who were making exciting 1483 01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:39,200 plays and that's gone too. It's you know, unless you really 1484 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,760 like Aaron Casey, having to run all over the field trying to be 1485 01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,320 the the tackler of last resort, which is essentially what the 1486 01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,000 poor guy has had to do here for the last couple of weeks, 1487 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,040 there's very little that an I U season ticket holder. 1488 01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,440 You know, would have to entice them to come into the stadium 1489 01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:57,960 and watch the game or stay past halftime. 1490 01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,560 There's very little that a a a neutral or somebody who has a a 1491 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,880 bit of curiosity, you know, there's very little to make them 1492 01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,160 want to go and buy a ticket and watch this and that's not going 1493 01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,760 to get better I think as the season goes along. 1494 01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:18,040 And so you know what? What Indiana does with that, I'm 1495 01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,820 not totally sure. Because this has been the 1496 01:17:20,820 --> 01:17:23,900 direction that things have gone over the course of the last two 1497 01:17:23,900 --> 01:17:26,820 and a third seasons. This was not an entertaining 1498 01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:30,460 team to watch in 2021 either. It wasn't an entertaining team 1499 01:17:30,460 --> 01:17:32,860 to watch last year. They would have individual 1500 01:17:32,860 --> 01:17:35,820 moments when things opened up. Even that looks like a bridge 1501 01:17:35,820 --> 01:17:39,860 too far right now with this 2023 vintage of the team and. 1502 01:17:40,570 --> 01:17:44,530 You know, again, the only, the only, the only constant in all 1503 01:17:44,530 --> 01:17:47,170 of this is that Tom Allen has been the head coach during this 1504 01:17:47,170 --> 01:17:50,610 time period. And you know he's had the time 1505 01:17:50,690 --> 01:17:52,330 to set things up the way that he wants. 1506 01:17:52,330 --> 01:17:54,730 He's had the time to hire the coaches that he wants, he's 1507 01:17:54,730 --> 01:17:57,210 hired, had the time to bring in the players that he wants. 1508 01:17:57,410 --> 01:18:01,810 And right now this is the most recent vintage of what that 1509 01:18:01,810 --> 01:18:04,770 particular batch of grapes has generated. 1510 01:18:04,770 --> 01:18:06,850 And this is not a good tasting vintage right now. 1511 01:18:06,850 --> 01:18:09,450 Scott totally agree. And the thing that that always 1512 01:18:09,450 --> 01:18:11,690 bugs me heard it talks the last night as we got, you know, now 1513 01:18:11,690 --> 01:18:13,130 it's just going to be everyone's going to give up. 1514 01:18:13,130 --> 01:18:14,890 You know now the basketballs kind of starting, everyone's 1515 01:18:14,890 --> 01:18:17,410 going to check out. It's like, well that happens 1516 01:18:17,730 --> 01:18:19,090 because of all the reasons you laid out. 1517 01:18:19,090 --> 01:18:21,410 But also like I just get so frustrated as a fan. 1518 01:18:21,410 --> 01:18:25,650 It's like I'm, you know the all of these TV deals like the 1519 01:18:25,650 --> 01:18:28,290 prices are going up. Like being a varsity club member 1520 01:18:28,290 --> 01:18:30,170 is going up. Like all the prices are going 1521 01:18:30,170 --> 01:18:31,960 up. It's like I don't have unlimited 1522 01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:32,880 money. I wish I did. 1523 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,960 I know we joke about it like I you know that I do have to pay 1524 01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,520 for my, you know, my wine tastings, my caviar tastings, 1525 01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,800 all that. It's like, you know, there's a 1526 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,360 reason why people focus more on basketballs because it's 1527 01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,560 entertaining. It's like your budget is 0 sum. 1528 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,850 Like I have so much money to spend on entertainment and I'm 1529 01:18:49,970 --> 01:18:52,770 going to spend it over here and that that's going to take away 1530 01:18:52,770 --> 01:18:53,610 from that. So it bugs me. 1531 01:18:53,690 --> 01:18:56,170 I want to change. I want to pull us out as we try 1532 01:18:56,170 --> 01:18:59,410 and wrap this up. My question for you is, you 1533 01:18:59,410 --> 01:19:02,450 know, and I'm as guilty of this as anybody starting to look at 1534 01:19:02,450 --> 01:19:05,890 things and being like, you know, assuming what I think is going 1535 01:19:05,890 --> 01:19:08,570 to happen is going to happen, all of the Big 10 games are 1536 01:19:08,570 --> 01:19:11,330 still available. There are still four to five 1537 01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:13,890 more wins out there that are possible. 1538 01:19:14,810 --> 01:19:17,610 This team can still make a bowl. There's still, I mean that path 1539 01:19:17,610 --> 01:19:20,210 is obviously still there. They can still surprise and do 1540 01:19:20,210 --> 01:19:24,130 something. So I will ask you this because 1541 01:19:24,130 --> 01:19:26,410 I, I don't hop on a lot of the previews with you. 1542 01:19:26,410 --> 01:19:30,290 But you know, if Alan is going to go to his team and change 1543 01:19:30,290 --> 01:19:33,370 some things up, like what are the couple 1-2 things that you 1544 01:19:33,370 --> 01:19:36,230 think? Need to be fixed to make this 1545 01:19:36,230 --> 01:19:39,710 team more functional in the Big 10 and have a chance to win some 1546 01:19:39,710 --> 01:19:43,190 of those winnable games. I mean, I think at this point 1547 01:19:43,190 --> 01:19:46,230 the number one thing is they have to pick an offensive 1548 01:19:46,230 --> 01:19:49,750 identity and stick with it. I mean, really, I mean, it's so 1549 01:19:49,790 --> 01:19:51,590 true. What's our identity? 1550 01:19:51,670 --> 01:19:53,070 What is it like? What are you what are you 1551 01:19:53,070 --> 01:19:54,230 leaning on? I, I, I. 1552 01:19:54,230 --> 01:19:59,350 This is where it's. It's hard again, to understand 1553 01:19:59,350 --> 01:20:02,190 where not tell anybody. Like to say we picked it, but 1554 01:20:02,190 --> 01:20:04,030 we're not telling you here. Here's the thing that I keep 1555 01:20:04,030 --> 01:20:07,270 coming back to when Nick Sheridan was the offensive 1556 01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:11,710 coordinator, the play calls sucked, the execution sucked. 1557 01:20:12,430 --> 01:20:15,310 I mean, they won two games that year and they were lucky to win 1558 01:20:15,310 --> 01:20:18,960 one of those games. You know, they had some bad luck 1559 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,600 obviously in some certain things, but I think they still 1560 01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:21,960 would have lost the Cincinnati game. 1561 01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,880 They were still going to lose the Michigan State game. 1562 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,440 I mean, it was, it was a so you had all that happen. 1563 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,440 And then the last two years under Walt Bell, the offense has 1564 01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:33,960 really not been good either and they've struggled so much in 1565 01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,440 terms of the personnel they brought in. 1566 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,000 They don't seem to know what they want to be. 1567 01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,280 I don't know if that's the fault of the offensive coordinator, 1568 01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,200 but the fact that it's happened now under two different 1569 01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,700 offensive coordinators, it's like, what's the threat here? 1570 01:20:44,700 --> 01:20:47,900 The threat is Tom Allen. You know, when we've talked a 1571 01:20:47,900 --> 01:20:50,900 lot about Allen doesn't seem to quite grasp the offensive side 1572 01:20:50,900 --> 01:20:53,860 of the ball, but he wants it to be in support of his defense. 1573 01:20:53,860 --> 01:20:56,300 We talked about that all the way going back to, you know, Mike 1574 01:20:56,300 --> 01:20:58,780 Debord's offense back in 20/17/2018. 1575 01:20:58,780 --> 01:21:02,140 This is not a new thing. Indiana has to settle on 1576 01:21:02,140 --> 01:21:04,700 something and say this is what we do. 1577 01:21:05,100 --> 01:21:09,080 And if that's a hard thing to do because we're still in a year 1578 01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,480 where this is not a good offensive line, it's, you know, 1579 01:21:11,480 --> 01:21:13,040 they're not able to block for the run. 1580 01:21:13,480 --> 01:21:15,560 That you know, for all the talk about what they you know, Taven 1581 01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,080 Jackson hasn't gotten sacked. He got sacked three times 1582 01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,320 yesterday against Akron. He threw an interception. 1583 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,240 You know he's going to have bad games. 1584 01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,680 It shouldn't. And this is what pisses me off 1585 01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,000 about the way that people talk about Michael Pennix right now 1586 01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,920 in in in relation to his time at I U. 1587 01:21:31,770 --> 01:21:35,690 You know, coming back from a devastating injury, it's held 1588 01:21:35,690 --> 01:21:38,250 against Michael Pennix by certain people that he wasn't 1589 01:21:38,250 --> 01:21:42,210 good enough in the games that he played in the 2021 season. 1590 01:21:42,210 --> 01:21:46,210 And it's like, so everything is dependent on one guy doing 1591 01:21:46,210 --> 01:21:48,330 everything right. And if not, well, we can't blame 1592 01:21:48,330 --> 01:21:50,890 the offensive coordinator or we can't blame the head coach. 1593 01:21:50,890 --> 01:21:54,450 I mean that's that's basically been what the the defenders of 1594 01:21:54,450 --> 01:21:56,490 this regime have decided to dig in on. 1595 01:21:56,930 --> 01:22:00,690 So you know last year Connor Basil Act was good until he 1596 01:22:00,690 --> 01:22:03,330 wasn't and then Connor Basil Act got blamed for the offensive 1597 01:22:03,330 --> 01:22:06,860 woes this year. OK, last night, what was the 1598 01:22:06,860 --> 01:22:08,420 talk in the postgame press conference? 1599 01:22:08,420 --> 01:22:10,900 In part it's, you know, Alan at two different times when he was 1600 01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:12,860 like what David Jackson was not at his base today it's like 1601 01:22:13,020 --> 01:22:15,660 guys, it first of all wasn't even named the starter until 1602 01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:18,740 last week. He's, you know, he's growing as 1603 01:22:18,740 --> 01:22:21,420 a quarterback. You need to know all of these 1604 01:22:21,420 --> 01:22:25,180 things and you need to create an offensive system that's tailored 1605 01:22:25,180 --> 01:22:28,860 to those skill sets that he does have and make it easier for him 1606 01:22:28,860 --> 01:22:29,980 throughout the course of the game. 1607 01:22:29,980 --> 01:22:32,540 And ironically, that's what Tom Allen said in the postgame press 1608 01:22:32,540 --> 01:22:36,220 conference. But you've Why aren't you doing 1609 01:22:36,220 --> 01:22:37,700 that already? Like why? 1610 01:22:37,700 --> 01:22:40,900 Why are we just talking about that after game four where your 1611 01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:44,220 team isn't scoring on offense, they're not able to to seal the 1612 01:22:44,220 --> 01:22:46,500 deal on these things. So that to me is the number one 1613 01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:49,820 thing. And I don't, I, I'll be frank, I 1614 01:22:49,820 --> 01:22:52,020 don't think it's possible at this point. 1615 01:22:52,220 --> 01:22:54,940 But if, if they're going to make something of the season, if 1616 01:22:54,940 --> 01:22:57,940 they're going to be competitive against the teams that we've 1617 01:22:57,940 --> 01:23:00,100 talked about, that they could potentially beat Maryland, 1618 01:23:00,260 --> 01:23:03,530 Rutgers, Illinois, Wisconsin feels like a bridge too far 1619 01:23:03,530 --> 01:23:05,730 right now. Michigan State, Purdue, like 1620 01:23:05,730 --> 01:23:09,370 that group of teams, They have got to have something that they 1621 01:23:09,370 --> 01:23:12,690 can point to and say this is what we do, They work on that 1622 01:23:12,690 --> 01:23:14,730 constantly. Is it going to be predictable? 1623 01:23:14,770 --> 01:23:16,730 At times, yes. But you know what? 1624 01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:22,160 I'll take predictable in a based upon and within the enclosure of 1625 01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,440 what Indiana is capable of doing with their talent levels and 1626 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:29,160 with what they've got personnel wise as opposed to what we've 1627 01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,120 seen so far this season where they've gone from heavy triple 1628 01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:35,960 option in game one to zero triple option in game four with 1629 01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,040 no explanation as to why things change. 1630 01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,880 The other thing I'll say that I think that they really need to 1631 01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:44,900 do. You know and this is it again. 1632 01:23:44,900 --> 01:23:47,460 I mean what the first play of the game I think there was a 1633 01:23:47,460 --> 01:23:51,740 penalty on Indiana you know they they they had it was it was 1634 01:23:51,740 --> 01:23:54,220 taken back it was actually I wrote it down it was they they 1635 01:23:54,220 --> 01:23:56,260 kick because I was going to that was like I'm watching the game 1636 01:23:56,260 --> 01:23:59,260 and it's like they they they called a possible penalty for 1637 01:23:59,260 --> 01:24:01,500 too many men on the field. And it took for it was like the 1638 01:24:01,500 --> 01:24:04,060 guys on TV are like now there's eleven there like 11 there like 1639 01:24:04,060 --> 01:24:06,540 wasn't a false start like was like they're like I'm not sure 1640 01:24:06,540 --> 01:24:09,100 what's it was a long penalty and I was going to make a joke about 1641 01:24:09,100 --> 01:24:11,020 how like oh like too many men on the podcast. 1642 01:24:11,020 --> 01:24:12,020 I was trying to think what the joke. 1643 01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:14,580 Was it in the Game Unfolded? I'm like, yeah, there's other 1644 01:24:14,580 --> 01:24:16,100 things to talk about from this game. 1645 01:24:16,220 --> 01:24:19,420 Yeah, it was taken away. Thank you, because I was. 1646 01:24:19,620 --> 01:24:22,700 I was still walking into the stadium at that point because I 1647 01:24:22,700 --> 01:24:25,380 had been jumping at the dead Battery in the parking lot 1648 01:24:25,380 --> 01:24:27,220 before I went in. There's a great, great 20 1649 01:24:27,220 --> 01:24:28,700 minutes, let me tell you. But did. 1650 01:24:29,540 --> 01:24:32,540 It say I U offense on it. Yeah, there you go. 1651 01:24:33,260 --> 01:24:35,980 But no. But if, If I U is going to be 1652 01:24:35,980 --> 01:24:40,140 this, if they're going to struggle this much offensively, 1653 01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,560 they have to spend time on special teams. 1654 01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,760 They have to spend time on eliminating penalties. 1655 01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,920 It's clear through four games that this team does not really 1656 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,840 have a margin for error, and that's an awful place to be as a 1657 01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,640 football team. But if you know that, then maybe 1658 01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,400 spend some time in practice making sure that everybody is 1659 01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,290 well drilled and you're not committing the penalties that 1660 01:25:04,290 --> 01:25:07,530 are going to create problems or take you out of field goal range 1661 01:25:07,530 --> 01:25:10,410 or whatever like that. So those to me, the two things 1662 01:25:10,410 --> 01:25:12,730 like you can only control so much at this point because 1663 01:25:12,730 --> 01:25:14,130 you're a third of the way through the season. 1664 01:25:14,370 --> 01:25:18,530 But having an offensive identity and living with that, whatever 1665 01:25:18,530 --> 01:25:22,690 the consequences, and also making sure that you eliminate a 1666 01:25:22,690 --> 01:25:26,250 lot of the silly stuff that's been happening with this program 1667 01:25:26,250 --> 01:25:30,410 for, you know, time immortal, that's got to be where you 1668 01:25:30,410 --> 01:25:32,890 start. Because otherwise, you know, as 1669 01:25:32,890 --> 01:25:35,090 we've talked about it happen with the Louisville game, you 1670 01:25:35,090 --> 01:25:37,490 shoot yourself in the foot at the wrong time and you don't 1671 01:25:37,490 --> 01:25:39,490 have any way to make up for that. 1672 01:25:39,770 --> 01:25:42,130 That's the only way I see this team and I can look and I think, 1673 01:25:42,130 --> 01:25:44,170 I don't think they're going to go winless the rest of the way. 1674 01:25:44,170 --> 01:25:47,810 I think they'll win one maybe even two more games just because 1675 01:25:48,810 --> 01:25:50,450 that's the way the cookie crumbles. 1676 01:25:50,450 --> 01:25:53,090 And and you know Michigan State certainly did not look very good 1677 01:25:53,090 --> 01:25:54,690 yesterday playing against Maryland. 1678 01:25:54,890 --> 01:25:59,240 But I I just worry at this point that without some kind of 1679 01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:02,600 recentering, Indiana's going to continue to find themselves both 1680 01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:08,640 not able to score and giving up yardage or giving up first downs 1681 01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,000 at key moments defensively when they shouldn't. 1682 01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,320 And and that, you know in a in a season where your team doesn't 1683 01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,120 have a margin for error, that could be what ultimately is the 1684 01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,090 undoing? Yeah, I agree. 1685 01:26:21,090 --> 01:26:24,650 I I would say I agree with all of that, that the two things 1686 01:26:24,650 --> 01:26:27,010 that I would say to answer my own question is that one. 1687 01:26:27,010 --> 01:26:29,650 I do think that Tom Allen just needs to pick something and 1688 01:26:29,650 --> 01:26:32,650 focus on it like just be find something this team can be good 1689 01:26:32,650 --> 01:26:35,290 at because it it feels like they're all like there's a lot 1690 01:26:35,290 --> 01:26:38,010 of problems. It's a 55 alarm fire in eight 1691 01:26:38,010 --> 01:26:40,090 different areas, partially because it feels like there's 1692 01:26:40,090 --> 01:26:43,370 just a lot of scattered directions and directives given. 1693 01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:46,050 It's like let's just pick one thing, defense, offense, but 1694 01:26:46,050 --> 01:26:47,970 just pick something and get really good at that. 1695 01:26:48,290 --> 01:26:51,550 But I would also say. You know, if you're Alan, this 1696 01:26:51,550 --> 01:26:56,190 is where you've got to not let 2021 happen again. 1697 01:26:56,430 --> 01:26:59,390 You know, as you look at the schedule, you know a lot of the 1698 01:26:59,390 --> 01:27:02,550 wins are at the end, which is unlike a lot of Big 10 seasons. 1699 01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:04,870 You know, you finish the season at Illinois, home to Michigan 1700 01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:07,510 State, at Purdue, those are all winnable games. 1701 01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:10,430 I think they will continue to be winnable games no matter what 1702 01:27:10,430 --> 01:27:12,270 this team does as we get to November. 1703 01:27:12,850 --> 01:27:16,850 The trouble is, in 2021, because the way the schedule broke, that 1704 01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:20,730 team was broken and done by November and it's just they were 1705 01:27:20,730 --> 01:27:23,010 on fumes. I'm bothered by that because 1706 01:27:23,010 --> 01:27:25,330 again, this is the coach of vibes and feelings and like, you 1707 01:27:25,330 --> 01:27:26,610 know, good vibes, Ellie, all that. 1708 01:27:27,130 --> 01:27:29,650 So if I would just talk to Alan, I'd like look focus on one 1709 01:27:29,650 --> 01:27:32,540 thing, but most importantly. You're you're going at Maryland. 1710 01:27:32,540 --> 01:27:33,500 You're probably going to lose that. 1711 01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:36,140 You're going at Michigan next. You're you're probably more 1712 01:27:36,140 --> 01:27:38,220 likely going to lose that. You're going to be home to 1713 01:27:38,220 --> 01:27:41,300 Rutgers for homecoming. That's a huge must win. 1714 01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:44,940 If you lose that, you're at Penn State which is lost your home to 1715 01:27:44,940 --> 01:27:49,020 Wisconsin. Like even then the season is not 1716 01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:53,460 oh you cannot let this team give up because you could win at 1717 01:27:53,460 --> 01:27:54,500 Illinois. Michigan State. 1718 01:27:54,500 --> 01:27:55,820 You could win the bucket at Purdue. 1719 01:27:55,820 --> 01:27:59,140 Like there are options at the end that don't have the word 1720 01:27:59,140 --> 01:28:02,090 bowl in them. But you have to get there and 1721 01:28:02,090 --> 01:28:05,410 you've got to keep this team focused and positive up through 1722 01:28:05,410 --> 01:28:07,850 there. And I my my point to him and be 1723 01:28:07,850 --> 01:28:09,530 like dude, and that's what you're supposed to be good at. 1724 01:28:09,770 --> 01:28:12,730 Like in this whole 10 year you've never been a great like 1725 01:28:12,730 --> 01:28:15,090 hey this team is well disciplined, this is great X's 1726 01:28:15,090 --> 01:28:17,930 and O's like it has been vibes. As you've always said, it's 1727 01:28:17,930 --> 01:28:22,050 vibes and like mentality. Now is really when you need it 1728 01:28:22,050 --> 01:28:24,810 because I think it's going to be a rough stretch between now and 1729 01:28:24,810 --> 01:28:28,410 November 11th. But you've got to keep your team 1730 01:28:28,410 --> 01:28:32,090 in a good headspace between now and then, because if they check 1731 01:28:32,090 --> 01:28:35,690 out, they could check out, in which case we have some real 1732 01:28:35,690 --> 01:28:37,370 problems. So that would be my advice. 1733 01:28:37,370 --> 01:28:41,090 Yeah, I know I look and and what I worry about I agree with all 1734 01:28:41,090 --> 01:28:43,930 that And what I what I worry about with Alan is that he's 1735 01:28:43,930 --> 01:28:47,330 already shown a propensity for wanting to just like if 1736 01:28:47,330 --> 01:28:50,850 something's not working rather than work on getting it to be to 1737 01:28:50,850 --> 01:28:52,290 a point where it can at least be competent. 1738 01:28:52,290 --> 01:28:53,890 It's something new. This happened last year, You 1739 01:28:53,890 --> 01:28:56,950 know, You know 2/3 of the way through the season they just 1740 01:28:56,950 --> 01:29:00,790 stop playing Connor Bazelak. And you know, suddenly they're 1741 01:29:00,790 --> 01:29:03,470 they're not making many pass attempts in games and they're 1742 01:29:03,470 --> 01:29:06,430 trying to run, you know, things. And it it yes, it got them the 1743 01:29:06,430 --> 01:29:10,750 Michigan State win which relied on the opposing teams field goal 1744 01:29:10,750 --> 01:29:12,470 kicker missing a kick at the buzzer. 1745 01:29:12,670 --> 01:29:16,630 But it it was, it's not it. It it wasn't a sustainable 1746 01:29:16,630 --> 01:29:19,280 thing. They only got one win out of 1747 01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:20,280 that. Well, the good news is we're 1748 01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:21,400 running out of offensive systems. 1749 01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:22,560 He can try. That's the thing I. 1750 01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,280 Mean there's only somebody left in the Techmo Bowl. 1751 01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:29,440 You know game plan bring. Yeah I know I get the Wing T 1752 01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:30,320 back. I don't know. 1753 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,400 I mean, there's there's. Very big fake punts in second 1754 01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:34,240 down. Yeah. 1755 01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:40,450 So I just, I I worry that what we've seen so far over the 1756 01:29:40,450 --> 01:29:43,490 course of the last three seasons, which you know really 1757 01:29:43,490 --> 01:29:46,410 feels like it's like it's like Alan's tenure has had three 1758 01:29:46,410 --> 01:29:50,010 distinct periods. It was that the first two years 1759 01:29:50,210 --> 01:29:52,570 which were pretty underwhelming. When you really go back and look 1760 01:29:52,570 --> 01:29:56,370 at them, there were the middle two years which were really nice 1761 01:29:56,370 --> 01:29:59,650 and successful and then you've had the last three which feel 1762 01:29:59,650 --> 01:30:04,330 more like what this is going to be longterm if we maintain this 1763 01:30:04,330 --> 01:30:07,170 particular coaching staff and this approach to things. 1764 01:30:07,740 --> 01:30:10,940 And, you know, I think there needs to be some soul searching 1765 01:30:10,940 --> 01:30:12,980 about okay, what is really happening. 1766 01:30:12,980 --> 01:30:15,380 Like what? What is what from the from Alan 1767 01:30:15,380 --> 01:30:20,900 all the way on down, like what is causing this program to be 1768 01:30:20,900 --> 01:30:24,740 the way that it is right now? And you, you know, history, 1769 01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:27,060 fine. You could talk about history, 1770 01:30:27,140 --> 01:30:28,700 you could talk about a bunch of different things. 1771 01:30:28,700 --> 01:30:32,620 But realistically this belongs to the people that are there 1772 01:30:32,620 --> 01:30:34,860 right now. It belongs to the coaches, It 1773 01:30:34,860 --> 01:30:40,330 belongs to the players. That has to be evaluated 1774 01:30:40,330 --> 01:30:42,370 internally. Not just what we got to go back 1775 01:30:42,370 --> 01:30:45,370 to the drawing board, but maybe we need to change drawing 1776 01:30:45,370 --> 01:30:48,850 boards, You know, maybe we need to write on a different type of 1777 01:30:48,890 --> 01:30:52,330 of material because it just isn't working right now. 1778 01:30:52,490 --> 01:30:56,210 And you know, we've done 90 minutes of a podcast after a 2 1779 01:30:56,210 --> 01:30:58,690 point win. But but what we what? 1780 01:30:58,690 --> 01:31:00,970 What's the problem is? That thing is just such a 1781 01:31:00,970 --> 01:31:04,100 microcosm for all of the problems that have happened with 1782 01:31:04,100 --> 01:31:06,380 this program over the course of the last couple of years. 1783 01:31:06,380 --> 01:31:11,180 And I, I I would love to see a scenario where Indiana figures 1784 01:31:11,180 --> 01:31:14,900 it out, you know, gets to four or five wins to close out the 1785 01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:17,380 season, maybe comes up with an identity that they can stick 1786 01:31:17,380 --> 01:31:19,260 with. But nothing that I've seen over 1787 01:31:19,260 --> 01:31:21,700 the last couple of seasons would indicate that that's what's 1788 01:31:21,700 --> 01:31:24,180 going to happen. And that's really my big concern 1789 01:31:25,220 --> 01:31:30,340 because yes, the fans drift away, but again, it just, it's 1790 01:31:30,340 --> 01:31:34,340 so important that Indiana be good or at least competent at 1791 01:31:34,340 --> 01:31:38,140 football and not fall victim to the things that they've fallen 1792 01:31:38,140 --> 01:31:39,900 victim to the last three years. And. 1793 01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:44,900 And it's it's so critical for Indiana as a whole, the athletic 1794 01:31:44,900 --> 01:31:47,580 department, the university, that this football program do 1795 01:31:47,580 --> 01:31:50,900 something positive. And I just really worry about 1796 01:31:50,900 --> 01:31:53,340 the trajectory of things. And I was worried before the 1797 01:31:53,340 --> 01:31:56,220 game, you know, and we try to put a positive spin on things to 1798 01:31:56,220 --> 01:31:58,660 some degree because you want to do that as a podcast. 1799 01:31:58,660 --> 01:32:00,500 You want it, you want to, you know, it's like we're we're 1800 01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:02,860 both, we both, you know, season ticket holders. 1801 01:32:02,860 --> 01:32:04,940 We both watch every game. We've watched every game for 1802 01:32:04,940 --> 01:32:08,020 decades. It's like the the importance of 1803 01:32:08,020 --> 01:32:11,980 the program sometimes gets lost in the criticisms that we will 1804 01:32:11,980 --> 01:32:14,900 lob, but the criticisms come from the reality and we've been 1805 01:32:14,900 --> 01:32:16,060 talking about the last three years. 1806 01:32:16,060 --> 01:32:18,140 It's like this does not look like it's headed in a good 1807 01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:22,540 direction and now it's arrived and it was not a good direction. 1808 01:32:22,580 --> 01:32:24,780 And the question is what happens next? 1809 01:32:25,620 --> 01:32:27,940 And I got to tell you, Scott, I'm not seeing a lot that's 1810 01:32:27,940 --> 01:32:29,700 giving me a lot of confidence that there's going to be a 1811 01:32:29,700 --> 01:32:32,020 course correction towards a more positive outcome. 1812 01:32:32,420 --> 01:32:35,580 So you know, everything we've said, it's like, yes, make these 1813 01:32:35,580 --> 01:32:37,300 tweaks, try to focus on these things. 1814 01:32:37,300 --> 01:32:41,300 But ultimately I just, I wonder if there is the selfreflection 1815 01:32:41,300 --> 01:32:44,620 right now in the coach's office that would allow the changes 1816 01:32:44,620 --> 01:32:46,980 that need to be made to get this thing back on track. 1817 01:32:46,980 --> 01:32:51,350 And that really is concerning. Agree 100% so so 90 minutes on a 1818 01:32:51,510 --> 01:32:54,870 on a two point win. Anyway, we'll wrap up thanks to 1819 01:32:54,870 --> 01:32:57,430 all you folks if you made it. To the end, just a reminder that 1820 01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:58,790 we bless you if you made it to the end. 1821 01:32:58,790 --> 01:33:02,030 By the way, if you made it here Home 24 just free Home Field 1822 01:33:02,150 --> 01:33:07,350 Apparel, it's like up to it that I'm totally kidding, it's not 1823 01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:09,350 real, but put it in. Who knows, maybe it'll work. 1824 01:33:09,390 --> 01:33:11,470 Just a reminder, we are on sub stack. 1825 01:33:11,470 --> 01:33:14,230 If you want to get you know, happy action Fun time podcasts 1826 01:33:14,230 --> 01:33:18,180 about I U Football directly to your e-mail, please subscribe. 1827 01:33:18,180 --> 01:33:20,180 It's Crimson cast at substack.com. 1828 01:33:20,180 --> 01:33:23,620 We certainly welcome comments and questions in the chat. 1829 01:33:23,620 --> 01:33:26,700 We we you know that we've got on sub stack we we try to respond 1830 01:33:26,700 --> 01:33:29,180 to those on a weekly basis sometimes not as fast. 1831 01:33:29,820 --> 01:33:33,060 We have a VIP section you can subscribe for free but there's 1832 01:33:33,060 --> 01:33:36,580 also a paid subscription will you get some extra goodies from 1833 01:33:36,580 --> 01:33:39,420 me and Scott And so anyway we really appreciate you folks 1834 01:33:39,420 --> 01:33:42,860 listening and those of you who are you made it through a 93 1835 01:33:42,860 --> 01:33:46,380 minute podcast about IU football after that game. 1836 01:33:47,500 --> 01:33:49,540 You're a real fan. All right. 1837 01:33:49,540 --> 01:33:52,900 So our hats off to you and hopefully things get better cuz 1838 01:33:52,900 --> 01:33:57,260 God, I think that the one, the emotion that overrides me coming 1839 01:33:57,260 --> 01:34:02,640 out of yesterday is just I'm I'm so disappointed that this is 1840 01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,520 where are you football is at right now and and I'm so 1841 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,000 disappointed that the custodianship of the program has 1842 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:13,080 allowed things to get to where we're at right now. 1843 01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,080 And I'm. I'm very, very concerned about 1844 01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,640 where things are going. And and look everything can be 1845 01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,320 fixed. I mean you you can you can find 1846 01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,800 you can find personnel you can find people that nothing is 1847 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:29,120 irrevocably broken. But realistically speaking, I'm 1848 01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,040 just moved disappointed than anything else that we're having 1849 01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,400 to even have this conversation at this point when it looked 1850 01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,680 like as you said, you know you're coming out of 2020, it's 1851 01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,320 like this is great. We won't have to have those 1852 01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,600 conversations again for a while and here we are again. 1853 01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:45,000 So anyway, thanks to everybody for tuning in. 1854 01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:47,960 Thanks to our presenting sponsor Home Field Apparel. 1855 01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:51,000 Thanks to our friends at the Back Home Network, we will be 1856 01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:55,310 back with a preview podcast later on this week. 1857 01:34:55,310 --> 01:34:56,630 I'm gonna try to get Taylor back on. 1858 01:34:56,630 --> 01:34:59,030 We'll talk about Indiana, Maryland, Maryland looks pretty 1859 01:34:59,030 --> 01:35:01,030 good. So we'll see what happens with 1860 01:35:01,030 --> 01:35:02,390 all that. We'll also have some basketball 1861 01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:04,350 content coming as we get into October. 1862 01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:07,070 That's coming up for Scott. I'm Galen. 1863 01:35:07,070 --> 01:35:08,550 This is Crimson Cast. We'll catch you folks. 1864 01:35:08,550 --> 01:35:10,430 On the flip side, bring back the Bison. 1865 01:35:10,710 --> 01:35:11,270 So everybody.