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But it's done and now we bring 
on Tony Tony. 

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How you doing doing well, always
happy to be here on Crimson 

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cast. 
Yes, so let's let's talk about 

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this season. 
I'll open it up, simulator, open

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up with Ryan. 
Like, what our, how do you 

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compartmentalize and kind of 
what's your takeaway from this 

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year's IU basketball season. 
Now that we have like a week 

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week removed from it or two 
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Sure. 
I think you know I think that It

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was pretty much in line with 
where my expectations were post 

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Xavier Johnson injury, you know.
I wanted to be a second weekend 

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team for sure and I think they 
still obviously had the talent 

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to be that you know, the the 
NCAA tournament is somewhat of a

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crapshoot. 
Once it comes down to matchups 

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and things and Miami was clearly
a bad matchup for for not only 

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Indiana, but for a lot of teams 
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setting, but you know, when I 
look at the big picture, I think

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back to know, Coming on Crimson 
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the Penn State loss and that was
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Dear. 
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to rebound from that and really 
kind of reinvent themselves a 

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bit, you know, go to know 
against Purdue, you know, have 

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some big games and you know, 
have some momentum was 

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encouraging now. 
You know, you lose the only one 

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team walks away happy. 
And it certainly Wasn't a season

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full of sunshine and rainbows, 
but like I said, once it was 

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once they've your Johnson went 
down and then once I learned, he

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was out for good, which was like
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I was like, yeah, this no way. 
This team makes a run. 

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Probably. 
And so, you know, it's always 

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disappointing to lose and, you 
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sixteen and, you know, looking 
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a whole, it is a little bit 
discouraging, but You know, when

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it when I look at it from a 
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kind of take the IU fandom out 
of it and I just look at it from

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like a college basketball fan. 
I think Indiana kind of did what

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a lot of people thought they 
would do, you know, hover around

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the top, 20 for most of the 
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And, you know what, four seed in
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things considered, you know, a 
far cry from where we were 

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booing Archie, Miller out of 
Lucas Oil Stadium. 

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I'll take that. 
Yeah, I mean the thing that I've

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said this other pods like that 
I'm wrestling with is like, how,

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how to put the Xavier Johnson 
injury into context with this 

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year, because it's, you know, 
you hate to just be, I hate to 

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be the guy who's like, well, he 
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means therefore like you have to
basically an asterisk by this 

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year. 
I'm also a guy and I think a lot

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of people the IU fan base. 
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look at 1993 and it's like, all 
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her and that's why I did it. 
When a title, it's like we 

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almost have like a half Banner 
in our minds and who knows? 

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I mean, it wouldn't have hurt. 
Having Henderson would have 

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helped in 93, but like, who 
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You still could have lost the 
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They also Kansas right in the 
elite eight. 

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I think that was true. 
They lost to I think. 

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So if it was Galen game like, 
oh, yeah, the score was 74 to 65

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and, you know, anyway, but he 
was 3, so I don't remember that 

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game too. 
Well, wow. 

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Now I feel old you Great. 
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know, obviously Trace Jackson 
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I think coming into the Year. 
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most important player jail of 
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No became the second most 
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year, but starting the year, you
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two, most important player and a
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side, you know, from the guard 
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and I just think there's a lot 
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lose their second best player. 
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does affect the trajectory of 
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I hate to be like, yeah, but 
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have to bring that up whenever 
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because it fundamentally you 
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the chessboard. 
But and like I've been saying to

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you basically had then Jalen 
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position the entire year. 
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for as good as he is a lot of 
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Takes that he made, I chalk up 
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Like, he's a to guard, you were 
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score to guard. 
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those three things were really 
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And now, you're asking who 
Cioppino to do all three of 

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those things. 
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And you know what, what I think 
really gets lost to is just when

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you have to Dynamic Playmakers 
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three if you count Galloway, is 
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defense in terms of attacking. 
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and you know, when when Jalen 
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help side, you know helps but 
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Say, Miller cop who you know, 
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going to take somebody off the 
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that ball screen, he reverses at
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Johnson's attacking closeout and
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stressed and you've got some 
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got a lob to trace Jackson, 
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But, you know, When you lose 
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defense, it's you have to take 
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not even factoring is defensive 
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And like you said guarding the 
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that's not factoring in just you
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you know, just kind of being 
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dog, you know, just like 
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Sometimes you got to reel them 
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stress you out a little bit and 
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not just the perfect basketball 
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what he brought to the table. 
Indiana was obviously sorely 

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missing, you know that last half
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And so, like you mentioned, you 
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you're dealt but, you know, you 
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the pocket aces that came up 
right after or whatever the case

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And you can say, like, you know,
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that's fair point. 
It's like you have the rest of 

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the year as fair point but it's 
like it's still I think, Not the

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people forget but it's like, it 
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Like yeah, it happened on 
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lot of the rest of the season to
figure it out but there's some 

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things at all. 
So you just you can't figure out

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like it's like yeah, yeah, yeah 
it's look at you. 

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I mean any anybody that's an 
important basketball player that

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goes down, it changes the 
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mean, look at help Paul George. 
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still haven't recovered. 
That's fair. 

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I think. 
Get in there. 

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They're working on it man. 
So if I just talked about that 

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was the Pacers game us. 
Talk about that last night give 

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them some credit. 
I was like this is such a side 

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but like they don't get the 
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for you know all of these guys 
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trading like you know a dollar 
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beans. 
It's like the Pacers traded Paul

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George heard, amata sabonis, and
Victor Oladipo, they traded an 

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All-Star for two. 
Becoming All-Stars and then they

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traded sabonis. 
They traded Oladipo for a couple

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pieces, but he was that was a 
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They still got some stuff back 
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Halliburton. 
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for each other. 
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team in the NBA, that's done for
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All-Stars and getting all stars 
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That's very impressive. 
Absolutely, a young All-Star in 

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this. 
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Maybe start a faceless podcast. 
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just Connor if you're listening 
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at retro a be a pastry stuff. 
Anyway total diversion this is 

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where we did Galen to steer the 
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real Scott in Back to the 
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look at things you know this is 
the question I have for this 

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season going. 
The next season. 

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It's I know you can't answer it 
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Like you look at the plays that 
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on the film room as best. 
You can tell from what you saw 

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from Woodson in the NBA which is
albeit you know ten plus years 

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Do you think Woodson's offense 

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these last two years was 
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Jackson Davis and had to 
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next year Year, we're going to 
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you think this is what Woodson 
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college again? 
I know you can't be like, I know

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what, what's and wants. 
But I don't know if you see 

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anything when you're watching 
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Like if you see anything that 
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Yeah, you know, I do think that 
this is something that that 

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Woodson, you know, catered 
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being his best play. 
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his postgame press conference, 
after think it was Miami, you 

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I said look, I've never had to 

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run an offense that was posed to
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So I figured it out which I 
actually think as long as things

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change moving forward that 
that's encouraging for Indiana 

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because with Archie Miller was 
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the pack line defense. 
We're going to run blocker mover

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offense and I don't care who my 
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what seems like look? 
I'm going to adjust my offense, 

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based around my personnel and 
whom I play makers are And I 

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think that's encouraging. 
You know what I can say, from 

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what I can tell it, what, sins 
in be a background is, which I 

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also I also think is encouraging
is he's going to run something 

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until you stop it. 
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just going to run the same 
thing, but it's just gonna be a 

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simple counter and then he's 
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it. 
Like, you know, with with Trace 

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Jackson Davis, like, you think 
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They weren't doubling trace, and
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Time After Time, After Time and 
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Like so that's, that's something
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background because those NBA 
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And what's in certainly does 
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background from the NBA, where 
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run like a wrinkled off of 
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and usually get a bucket, you 
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call them, you know, atos one of
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country and so, you know, and 
then can you Hunter it was on a 

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it's not going to be post 
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You know, I think if you're an 
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It's been, it's been the better 
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opportunity for dribble drives. 
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better in that sense this year 
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excited for what next season 
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love Tracy action. 
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greats, probably at Indiana but 
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looks like, without him, you 
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down by any means. 
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but it's just exciting to see 
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offense. 
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agree and you hit on that where 
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and I'll give you the 
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know, trace. 
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him, like I'm I'm not sure I 
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ready where to place him in, and
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ago, where is he? 
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I'm not like, I've never been 
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Here's my top four legs. 
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Like it's to me, it's more of a 
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like he's up there and I think 
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you're not you, but when 
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you didn't win a Big Ten title 
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It's like alright, well neither 
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a couple, big tent sites, like 
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80s and 70s and and 90s like I 
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Sunday's Knighthood kind of went
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we're not having that success. 
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four years of a, you know, bad 
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to take two years and get to a 
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but he had a lot of individual 
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stayed and he worked his butt 
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he got so much better, which is 
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like he was so efficient. 
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This year, he came back with a 
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that I keep on going back to the
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earlier, like that. 
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Yogi, Ferrell didn't 2016, which
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But anyway, all of that said, 
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It was awesome. 
Having him. 

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I enjoyed the experience with 
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I think that they can be 
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I'm also very excited to see us 
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I will leave it here. 
Just do you have any like, you 

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know, we're where are you and 
your head Spate? 

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What's with trace and where he 
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Similar to you where I think you
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for you kind of look back and 
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brought. 
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players, I look at you know the 
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that's not saying winning 
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It's like how much better do you
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Trisha X and Davis away from 
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They'll pass for years and could
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And so, yes, did he That he take
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No. 
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No, but did he impact winning in
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Yes, you know, that that Indiana
Team without Trace. 

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Jackson Davis is not a ninja 
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The last two seasons obviously. 
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dweller in the Big Ten. 
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all-time greats of Indiana and 
there was a lot of pieces around

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them to that helps them to those
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And, you know, I think that has 
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Of, who else did you play with 
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Did you play with other greats 
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And and you know the big Ten's 
is different now too. 

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You know there's just it's a 
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style and, you know, the trace 
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single night. 
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know, he was in the post, 
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extremely efficient player. 
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high block rate You know, ended 
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back when Trace was a sophomore 
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coaching against him that he was
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kind of a giraffe on roller 
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remember we had a big at 
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Juco and we played against race 
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Trace because he just struggled 
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obviously it's now seven, eight 
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But He turned into an athlete. 
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that's, you know, he's he's 
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Obviously, he has basketball 
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gonna be able to run the floor. 
He's going to be able to be in 

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ball screens. 
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Like those are the things NBA 
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for him to contribute to their 
squad. 

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And, you know, that's a 
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Like he had talent but he put 
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And as you mentioned, got better
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And better each and every year 
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purist like you just got 
Appreciate a kid that's going to

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put that work in. 
When he don't want to say, you 

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didn't have to. 
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wanted to get better it when 
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There is a you saying, you know,
imagine this team without him 

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and this is kind of like a, you 
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But in politics, it's always the
talk about how, like, you, you 

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never get credit for the, the 
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you know, the the, the, the, the
financial crisis that doesn't 

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happen nobody's like, oh my 
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nobody knew what was going to 
happen. 

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Open and so you don't get credit
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you're kind of here with Trace 
where it's like, you know, him 

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taking this team to a double by 
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getting us this you know to the 
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It's like that. 
That's a lot for where he 

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drugged, you beat Purdue twice. 
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about, you know, how important 
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go back and think that like, you
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We lost in Northwestern by three
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You know, you have a hard time 
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entire season, if you know, I 
know if ifs and buts like you 

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can't just take all the wins. 
But like, does he swing those 

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three games maybe? 
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And we co share the Big Ten 
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It's like, there you go. 
Trace has like Xavier breaking, 

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his foot had nothing to do with 
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like, you all you do is change 
that. 

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And again, I'm giving us three 
wins. 

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And who knows? 
But like that, that That change 

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had nothing to do with with 
Trey. 

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So I'm I'm with you. 
It's but it is an odd Legacy and

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it's just unfortunately you know
an Indiana there's so much 

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history of winning that you know
gets it's just there but he he 

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definitely had a fantastic 
career and it he's up there. 

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It's like that's all I keep on 
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that list of IU, great players. 
And what do you start talking? 

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Like the best players in the 
21st century. 

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Or the last 2000 in this Century
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We're in the 22nd century. 
Now I was screwed that up. 

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Thanks 21st, right? 
I 21st, yeah, I think since 22 

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2008 he's he's up there. 
What do you have like, you know,

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Yogi and him or you know some of
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Oladipo team? 
It's like and, you know, he's up

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there and like that's, that's 
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So yeah, we have that, you know,
as we look at the offseason now,

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we talked about the offense. 
Since you know what? 

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I think. 
We both want to see a different 

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offense. 
We hope that comes out. 

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What are you hoping to see out 
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I'm again I don't want to get 
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don't need to talk about like 
this guy that guy like there's a

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lot of targets and it's all 
going to be a very fluid moving 

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base. 
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It's exciting. 
I also don't we don't need to 

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start getting into like, you 
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poor because not we're not going
to give it. 

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What are you looking to see us 
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the port? 
If you have certain guys, you do

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want to talk about, go for it, 
too. 

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Sure, yeah. 
Think you know you look at what 

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wins in March, you certainly 
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that, but you also have to look 
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How do you get to March? 
Which means grinding through the

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Big Ten and you have to build 
your team around that as well. 

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And those things are like 
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Big Ten it and I think we saw 
that in the commit Indiana 

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picked up yesterday from Peyton 
Sparks, like probably not a guy 

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that through March You're Gonna 
Want to run your offense or 

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anything of that sort, you know,
he's a back to the basket post 

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player but he 69 250 pounds and 
he's a guy that's going to be 

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frontcourt depth that you can 
throw out there in the Big Ten 

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and he can hold his own. 
And that's I just, I want to 

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interrupt real quick. 
Just this is not towards you. 

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But just I saw some people on 
Twitter. 

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I listened to the assembly call,
emergency pod and they had 

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people like chiming it and I get
it. 

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I'm a fan but it's like it is 
this funny thing where it's like

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we get Peyton Sparks and people 
are meet like do we need 

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shooting? 
We need a guy who can do this 

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because that's like you 
understand. 

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Like we're not going to get our 
first Sky in the portal. 

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Who does everything you want 
like that doesn't exist like 

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we're not getting Kevin Durant 
in the portal like like not 

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everyone's going to people with 
real find a flaw. 

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Yeah like we need more shooting 
it's like all right well I think

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we're going to get more people 
like I don't think Woodson's 

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like right. 
Peyton Sparks. 

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I'll see you guys in October. 
Like I'm done. 

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Yeah. 
It's like it is and I get it. 

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Like, I get where fans are 
coming. 

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It's just funny. 
Everyone's like immediately 

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saying everything we need, and 
it's like, all right, like this 

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is one dude. 
Likes were there anyway. 

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Go ahead. 
Sorry Justin yeah. 

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Baby laughs yesterday. 
Yeah, you know, I think I think 

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there's certainly just like the 
30 years of mediocrity of 

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Indiana is wearing on this fan 
base. 

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If you haven't seen that on 
kidding through Twitter and 

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message boards and all that good
stuff. 

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But yeah. 
So you like I said, do you, you 

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have to build a team to get to 
March because I think Michigan 

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truly has a team that can win in
March, but they don't have a 

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team that can win the Big Ten 
and so they didn't even get to 

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March and May Coach that can win
either or to be determined. 

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And so, I think, you know, you 
see that frontcourt depth with 

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00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:10,800
the guy like Peyton Sparks, but 
obviously you need Dynamic 

439
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,400
guards that can then play on 
both ends, you know, you see 

440
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,300
that in the Miami is the same 
Diego, State's the fa use and, 

441
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:21,500
you know, then even going back 
to like last season, where is 

442
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:24,200
more of a Blueblood final four 
than this year, where it's kind 

443
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,600
of All over the place, Dynamic 
guard play wins Wings a wing 

444
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,800
that can score. 
But, you know, I think that's 

445
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,300
something that Indiana really 
lacked this year. 

446
00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:37,600
I, you know, I got a lot of nice
things to say about Miller cop, 

447
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,700
you know, in the role that he 
played and stepped in and you 

448
00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:43,100
know, was far better on the 
defensive end than I think 

449
00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:46,500
anybody probably even gives him 
credit for just by positioning 

450
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,800
himself properly. 
Obviously a student of the game,

451
00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:51,400
you know, he noted on his 
Twitter thread, he wrote the 

452
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,200
other day like he got his report
was so heavy but I digress, you 

453
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,600
know, Indiana needs a real quick
on that. 

454
00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:01,400
What did you glean from his T of
like, and I haven't read the 

455
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,400
whole thing, he had like it, you
know, 100 comment, Twitter, 

456
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,100
thread, like a bunch of points. 
What did you glean from that is 

457
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:08,900
if you teach, is there anything 
that you took away from my God 

458
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:11,800
it's really interesting or like 
you read anything to anything 

459
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,300
that he tweeted out with that 
thread, My overall thought was 

460
00:24:15,300 --> 00:24:18,000
really just kind of like this 
kid gets it, you know? 

461
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,100
Like he's smart. 
He gets it. 

462
00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:22,000
He understands the game very 
well. 

463
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,500
Obviously, he took it seriously.
SLI like very, very seriously. 

464
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:30,000
You know, talked about prepping 
his body for games stretching, 

465
00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:35,600
mentally, you know, talked about
scouting reports and things like

466
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,100
that. 
So you know, I walked away from 

467
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:40,400
it like this, the kid really 
gets it and I say, kid, he's 

468
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,800
like five years younger than me,
this this. 

469
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,300
Yeah, but he, you know, he 
understood and Max, I think 

470
00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:51,000
maximized his ability, like, 
just, like I said, in terms of 

471
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,500
body prep, Scouting Report, you 
know? 

472
00:24:54,800 --> 00:25:00,200
Up shots, whatever the case may 
be, you know, he he maximized 

473
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:03,900
his ability which, you know, is 
everything you can ask for in a 

474
00:25:03,908 --> 00:25:05,800
player. 
And yeah, well, you know, with 

475
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,600
that said, I would prefer a more
Dynamic Wing that can score the 

476
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,000
basketball and put some stress 
on defense. 

477
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,200
You know, and I use recruiting 
that I think, you know, in like 

478
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,400
a LED l'm, who's got a visit 
scheduled for next week, I 

479
00:25:20,408 --> 00:25:24,600
think, I think, I think Dead 
period starts today so all the 

480
00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:28,000
The coaches go to the Houston 
and so they they don't allow in 

481
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,800
person recruiting. 
So I think it's like the six. 

482
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,600
There's something I'm not bad 
but you know, he's a guy that 

483
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,100
averaged 18 points per game in 
ivy league and you know, the ivy

484
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,800
league is people are seeing 
these Mass Exodus like what's 

485
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,500
going on the ivy league? 
They don't allow grad student or

486
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:47,200
like, grad, fifth year, 
basically writers. 

487
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,600
And so that's why you're seeing 
this, you know, plethora of 

488
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,700
these really solid players 
coming out of the ivy league in 

489
00:25:53,708 --> 00:25:56,900
the portal, but You know, 
Indiana and then you want a 

490
00:25:56,908 --> 00:26:00,600
modern five. 
I think meaning guy that can go 

491
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,700
sit, ball screens, catch Labs, 
protect the rim, things like 

492
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,900
that, and they think they're 
recruiting that also in the kid 

493
00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:11,100
out of Virginia, you know, they 
had a, they had a, what's 

494
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:12,900
called, Zoom meeting with him 
yesterday. 

495
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,300
And so, you know, there that's 
kind of what I want to see. 

496
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:20,400
So, you know, Indiana's 
recruiting the guys to play a 

497
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,500
modern style of basketball, and 
then obviously, you know, the 

498
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,500
news came out Last night about a
possibly kicking the tires on 

499
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:29,600
Caleb love. 
That would be a dynamic 

500
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,700
backcourt. 
But man, there I can see the 

501
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:35,200
Twitter tweet tweets now on 
Xavier Johnson. 

502
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,900
Caleb love back court. 
There would be you know it would

503
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:43,500
be interesting to say the least 
but you know, Caleb loves the 

504
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:46,700
guy that took his team to the 
final four last season and then 

505
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:48,100
he, you know, kind of was the 
reason. 

506
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:51,700
This team was the NIT this year.
So, you know, a polarizing 

507
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:55,500
subject and I know you mentioned
like not Really getting specific

508
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:59,200
on guys. 
Just kind of spit balling on 

509
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,000
like who Indiana's going after I
like the type of player that 

510
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,700
they're going after because 
those are the guys that went in 

511
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:05,900
March. 
And then, you know, you got the 

512
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:08,800
Peyton Sparks that can kind of 
help you compete in the Big 10. 

513
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,400
You've got Malik renew, 
obviously who's a bigger build 

514
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,700
can compete in the Big Ten, but 
does play a little bit more 

515
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:16,800
modern style than then tracing 
and can stretch the floor, you 

516
00:27:16,808 --> 00:27:18,800
know, showcase that he'll shoot,
two, three a little bit this 

517
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,200
season and some pick and pop 
action. 

518
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,300
So you know, all that said I 
like what Indiana's attempting 

519
00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:30,400
to do in the portal But as you 
mentioned, there are other teams

520
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,500
going for these players. 
And, you know, till when these 

521
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:38,100
recruitments of players that are
ranked in the top 10 of portal 

522
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:42,900
players across, you know, every 
Outlet you look at, you know it 

523
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:45,000
those are not easy recruitments 
to win. 

524
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:48,700
But then Deanna's in the game 
right now with a lot of what 

525
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:52,000
these top guys and you know, 
with the we should be thankful 

526
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,600
for this portal because without 
it, you know, Indiana's roster 

527
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,000
could look a little Bleak next 
to you. 

528
00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:00,300
But, you know, I like where 
they're at currently and I'm 

529
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,700
optimistic but I'm with you on 
all of that. 

530
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:06,800
I also look at this portal year 
as like to me, this is really 

531
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,400
important for Woodson to show. 
He can nail it because for two 

532
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,000
reasons, one like this is the 
way basketball is going to be. 

533
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:18,700
I personally think it's good. 
I think it's good that you know 

534
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:22,300
the students have the freedom to
move and to get more money other

535
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:23,700
place. 
I think that's great. 

536
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:27,800
But the idea of like, you know, 
well Just yeah, we got to deal 

537
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,500
with portal this year. 
It's been a bunch of kids leaves

538
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:31,300
like no, I think this is going 
like this is every year. 

539
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:34,400
Like I think some older I you 
fans than me or probably a deal 

540
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,400
with a guy, is the one year off.
Then we go back to, you know, 

541
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,400
getting kids from Indiana for 
years like no, I need like to me

542
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,400
it's important, Woodson shows he
can nail this year because he's 

543
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:44,600
going to have to do this every 
year. 

544
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,900
Like, this is going, this is the
way college basketball is going.

545
00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:50,900
But I also think this year is 
important because I just, as 

546
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:56,500
I've mentioned before, I think 
that Woodson has the most kind 

547
00:28:56,500 --> 00:29:00,900
of Advantages going into this 
offseason that he may ever have 

548
00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:03,200
in that. 
He's just coming off a 

549
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:05,500
successful. 
I mean, you're a protected seed,

550
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:07,600
you want to turn him again? 
Yeah, we didn't go to a sweet 16

551
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,800
or a final four but we didn't 
flame out. 

552
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,400
We won two big games against 
Purdue. 

553
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Like we had some nice signature 
wins. 

554
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,500
You just took two dudes who 
were, you know, Trace Jackson 

555
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,500
Davis was not on the draft radar
in jail, huh? 

556
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:22,200
Chaffee. 
No was around there. 

557
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,900
You now have them put your fee 
nose like near the lottery and 

558
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,600
Trace checks Davis is a 
projected you know, late first 

559
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,000
round pick. 
That's a huge move for two 

560
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,200
dudes. 
In one year. 

561
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,600
You also have you no good at I 
owe money behind you but you 

562
00:29:36,608 --> 00:29:39,900
also have three starting spots 
you know if we if we assume you 

563
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:43,500
know, Xavier Johnson and leak 
renew or back and those are our 

564
00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:45,200
starters. 
You know there may be four 

565
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,200
starting spots, who knows? 
But you at least have three 

566
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,000
spots available and they betray 
Galley takes one, you have to. 

567
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,800
But like you have open minutes 
available like I look at. 

568
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,800
This is like this is probably 
the best you're going to have 

569
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,400
all Those things that are 
Advantage Plus, that's not to 

570
00:29:59,408 --> 00:30:03,900
mention, you know, what's at 
some point? 

571
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:06,500
We're going to get to a point 
where Woodson's age will become 

572
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:09,200
a factor in the number of years 
left on his contract, like those

573
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,000
things matter, because 
everyone's looking three to four

574
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,200
years out, you know, what's it 
going to be like in 3 to 4 

575
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,400
years? 
If I do come here for and maybe 

576
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,100
now it's moving more to 23. 
But you know, that's that's 

577
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:23,300
going to be a factor every year 
more than it is this year. 

578
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:26,400
So I look at this year as like 
Woodson's got all the cards in 

579
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,500
his hand, to your Your point, 
he's got, he's got pocket aces. 

580
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:32,100
Like this will be the best hand.
He has to play, probably over 

581
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:33,700
the next couple of years, the 
transfer portal. 

582
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:36,400
So he's gotta show, he could do 
it because if he can't hit the 

583
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,100
portal correctly. 
Now I am very concerned because 

584
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:45,100
getting the portal, right? 
Is as important as recruiting, 

585
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,900
maybe even more as we go forward
in college basketball. 

586
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:51,200
Yep. 
I totally agree. 

587
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,300
And I think to what I like about
what Indiana is doing in the 

588
00:30:55,308 --> 00:30:58,900
portal right now is You know, it
doesn't necessarily have to be 

589
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:01,800
the top dog in the portal that 
you go, get. 

590
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,300
You get guys that fit what you 
want to do. 

591
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:07,600
And, you know, it because I 
think you look at Illinois, last

592
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,800
year, you know, they get 
Terrance Shannon, they get 

593
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:14,000
Matthew mayor, they and then 
they've got sky Clark coming in.

594
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,000
It was pretty real five-star and
weren't very good at this. 

595
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,000
You know, scar Kings of leaving,
Shannon, and mayor don't really 

596
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,100
seem like they fit and, you 
know, they 100% hit the portal 

597
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:28,900
out of the park. 
On paper but you got to get guys

598
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:32,100
that fit what you want to do and
I think that's what we're seeing

599
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,300
with Indiana, you know. 
They want to play a more modern 

600
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:37,600
style of basketball. 
They want to have Dynamic 

601
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,000
Playmakers, I can play on both 
sides and they want somebody 

602
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,200
that can protect the rim, 
ideally, you know, and that's in

603
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,500
that Shedrick kid from Virginia.
So I'm excited about what 

604
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:50,400
they're doing and like you said,
you know, there's there's a lot 

605
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,100
of time left to get these things
done and, you know, Indiana 

606
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:59,300
could strike out and then you've
got Concerns about you know, 

607
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:01,400
what they can do in the portal 
moving forward. 

608
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,400
And you've also just got some 
concerns about what next season 

609
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,200
may look like. 
What? 

610
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,000
And the other thing that I like 
is and let's just be frank and 

611
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,100
we'll talk facts here where I 
you fans. 

612
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:16,300
But, you know, there are some 
stuff early on in Woodson's tend

613
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,400
to he's treating this offseason 
differently. 

614
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:21,100
I'll just say that. 
Like, you know, as I always 

615
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:23,500
mention, I have friends on the 
street who were other fans of 

616
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:26,500
Big Ten teams but like my buddy,
Robert who's a Michigan State 

617
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:29,200
grad, like He was giving me 
grief last year because, you 

618
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,700
know, Michigan State's getting 
Xavier Booker. 

619
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:33,500
And he's like last year. 
He's like, why is it Mike 

620
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:35,000
Woodson? 
The Indiana State title game, 

621
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:37,300
and it's like, what's an wasn't 
there? 

622
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,600
And it's like, there was a feel 
of like, you know, is he on Vic?

623
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,800
I don't know where it key wasn't
there and Hampton celebrate his 

624
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,900
birthday? 
I believe. 

625
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,800
Right? 
And you know again we're all 

626
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,900
fans here but it's like this is 
there did seem to feel, I'll 

627
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:55,800
just speak my mind here that it 
felt like, you know, Woodson 

628
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,600
came down and he's He wants to 
win, he's trying, but it did 

629
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,400
feel like maybe he came down and
kind of that Steve Spurrier mode

630
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,200
of like, all right, you know, 
college is little bit easier in 

631
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,200
the pros and I can take some 
breaks, and it feels like now he

632
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,100
understands like, oh no, this is
a grind. 

633
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:13,400
This is probably more work in 
the NBA and like, I, this is 

634
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,300
this period is almost as 
important as ever get like, 

635
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:18,200
there really is? 
No massive offseason, maybe it's

636
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,600
like June July, or you can take 
your break in the Hamptons but 

637
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,100
like there were some stuff early
on where it's like, why is he 

638
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:25,200
not at the Indiana State title 
game even if he's just there to 

639
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:28,200
kiss ass and talk to coaches? 
Keep you can't be the coach 

640
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,100
Indiana basketball and not be at
the Indiana, High School title 

641
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:33,400
game. 
Just like that's, that's a kind 

642
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,700
of a pretty big deal to be there
either. 

643
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,800
You're not going to get Xavier 
Booker, just be there talk to 

644
00:33:37,808 --> 00:33:40,200
his coach because his coach 
might have another kid. 

645
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,400
Like we had a kid Kokomo in 2024
is really good. 

646
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,500
Like anyway it felt like there 
was a bit of you know, 

647
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,400
laissez-faire attitude towards 
some of this which does feel 

648
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,300
like this off season has 
changed. 

649
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:54,600
When you see Woodson, his entire
staff, they're all over the 

650
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,500
place. 
Now, they are all over the 

651
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:58,200
portal. 
They're doing all of these 

652
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,000
visits and to me that's 
encouraging that it feels like 

653
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,300
he's there. 
The staff is really active and 

654
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:09,100
engaged and going at this with 
everything they have it may not 

655
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:12,900
work but at least it feels like 
they are giving Full Throttle 

656
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:21,699
for a bunch of different people.
Yeah I think I think the Of 

657
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,500
anything I do think this 
offseason is a bit different in 

658
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:31,300
the sense of you know Mike 
Watson didn't want. 

659
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:35,300
They were Booker you know just 
flat-out didn't want them from 

660
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:37,300
everything I've heard. 
Yeah. 

661
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,600
And didn't you know didn't 
didn't see kind of the bigger 

662
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,400
picture of like what attending 
that State title game probably 

663
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,800
looks like in the Optics of it 
you know he's just like I don't 

664
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,400
want anybody there. 
I'm not going. 

665
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,100
Which I get, but it's like your 
point, like, it's the Optics of 

666
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:56,800
like, just, yeah, there because 
all the coach me, your 

667
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,700
basketball coaching Indiana. 
Like, most of the coaches go to 

668
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:01,700
that game or they know who's 
there and it's just like, 

669
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,400
sometimes you just need to be 
seen. 

670
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,000
Like just like, you know, he 
might go ahead. 

671
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,500
Yeah, no, I think I think it's 
fair point. 

672
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:11,900
I think you know, I think we're 
in agreement that it was a miss 

673
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:16,100
and and not attending you know. 
And then with the portal stuff 

674
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:18,500
last year, Indiana didn't really
want anybody the portal. 

675
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:19,800
They thought they had everybody 
coming back. 

676
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,200
They had their Coming freshman 
class, that was really strong. 

677
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,100
You know, I think they had they 
hosted two guys on visits in 

678
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,700
Dexter. 
Dennis and the McNeil McNeil or 

679
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:30,800
something kid that went to Ohio 
State. 

680
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,100
And so I think last year, to 
this year, there are some 

681
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:40,500
variances and just in terms of 
needs, and I do think that's 

682
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,100
somewhat of why you see this 
different point of attack as 

683
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:44,300
well. 
From what sitting company is 

684
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:47,900
just based on the team makeup, 
but I'm encouraged by 

685
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:49,800
everything. 
We're seeing with what in 

686
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,300
they're doing. 
You know, they've been on the 

687
00:35:51,308 --> 00:35:54,800
plane now and gone to I think 
three and home visits with 

688
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,900
portal prospects, you know, 
they've got a they've gotten 

689
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:01,700
Sparks to commit, you know, 
they're in the game with these 

690
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:04,600
big-time recruits in there. 
They're doing what they need to 

691
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:10,000
do to be able to you know at 
least be in the conversation and

692
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,800
that's what's important for me 
or your head man. 

693
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:16,000
You know, and I do think it's a 
learning curve, like you 

694
00:36:16,008 --> 00:36:19,200
mentioned like yeah, it's 
college basketball. 

695
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,800
Coaching is hard and it's a 
Right. 

696
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,600
And, you know, I think it's it's
why. 

697
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,800
If a head coach can jump up to 
that NBA level, they do because 

698
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,000
it's it's easy. 
It's well, it's more money one, 

699
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,300
it is easier from a standpoint 
of, like, you got an offseason, 

700
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,600
you know, it's obviously harder 
because you're managing a lot of

701
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Egos and, you know, it's a 
business for sure. 

702
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,000
So I don't want to say, it's 
easier, but when terms of time 

703
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,300
commitment, I do think that 
college is 365 days a year 

704
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:50,200
pretty much, you know, you got 
to be on the phones. 

705
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:53,200
Even if you're on vacation, you 
got to be texting kids and like 

706
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,400
I'm like, what's in 64, 65 years
old. 

707
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,300
Does he really want to go chase 
around some 16 year old? 

708
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:00,000
And you know see how their day 
is going? 

709
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,100
Just to say, did it. 
Yeah. 

710
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:05,300
When he he's probably like I 
really don't care what's going 

711
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:08,500
on with this kid right now but 
yeah, I think it's a steep 

712
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:11,400
learning curve. 
I think he's learned learning it

713
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,300
quickly and I think you know, I 
have no qualms about what he 

714
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:19,100
doing in the recruiting cycle 
right now at all and I think, 

715
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:20,300
you know, he's got us in the 
game for a while. 

716
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,100
Top 2024's as well. 
Now, we strike out on all of 

717
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:29,000
them, you know, we may be having
a different conversation, but as

718
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,200
of right now, I'm satisfied with
where Indiana, you know, is in 

719
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,200
standing with transfer portal 
and, you know, 2024 targets. 

720
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:41,100
Yeah. 
And, you know what's also I 

721
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:44,600
think I'm assuming this is the 
idea. 

722
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,700
This is important. 
But like, you know, Galen got me

723
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:50,600
into the, the Reddit college 
basketball thread is really 

724
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,400
good. 
It's kind of, it's a little 

725
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,900
less, obviously, it's not IU 
Centric, but it's nice to kind 

726
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:58,300
of get, it's a relatively sane 
discourse. 

727
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:01,300
I would say, but you're getting 
people who are obviously not 

728
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:04,600
just Indiana basketball. 
Fans are out there, it does feel

729
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,400
like and again, you know, I hate
to say this but it's just we've 

730
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,500
we've not been so relevant that 
At little winds have to be 

731
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:16,200
thought of as important because 
we can't just go from zero to 

732
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,300
final four. 
But, you know, I think it's 

733
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,300
interesting that you know, Caleb
love goes on the market. 

734
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,100
He's obviously a very 
high-profile portal guy. 

735
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,800
You know, 45 years ago, assuming
pretend the portal was there, 

736
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,100
like it, Kayla blood type portal
guy. 

737
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:33,600
I don't think Indiana would have
been in the conversation but you

738
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,600
go on the Reddit thread. 
Again it's just that that thread

739
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,100
but it's like there's are non 
Indiana people on that thread 

740
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:40,900
who are like the top two scorers
like Memphis Indiana, like you 

741
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:43,800
see Indiana's like listed all 
the So it's like there's even if

742
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,100
we don't get them it's like 
there's a lot of smoke there. 

743
00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:50,100
And again, not getting guys 
isn't great, but the fact that 

744
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:52,800
we're kind of, it feels like 
we're in the conversation for 

745
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:58,300
every high level portal guy. 
That's not nothing, right? 

746
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:01,500
Absolutely. 
And you know, I think I think a 

747
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:06,200
big part of a pitch for my you 
to is you're putting on National

748
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,600
Television every night, you 
know, I know it's Big Ten in 

749
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,600
general but like if you're 
playing the Big 12 you're 

750
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,700
playing like Half your games on 
ESPN plus right now or, you 

751
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:19,300
know, a cc Plus or whatever. 
The case may be so Indiana, 

752
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:22,600
obviously has a lot to sell, you
know, and then a great and I 

753
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,200
owe. 
You know, you've got NBA level 

754
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,000
coach like you mentioned, that 
is just kind of improved. 

755
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,100
Two players stocks to go make a 
lot of money. 

756
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:33,600
Like there's like, if I'm Caleb 
love and I see what Mike Woodson

757
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,700
did was save your Johnson last 
season and then what he's done 

758
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:39,900
with Jalen hitch Vino and and 
then, you know, traces in the 

759
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:44,300
same position but I'm Going, how
does this guy helped me get to 

760
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:47,700
that next level? 
And you know he's got a proven 

761
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:52,700
track record of a being able to 
to coach at the highest level 

762
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,400
and knows exactly what it takes 
to get there and then he's got a

763
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,800
track record now of getting the 
guys there. 

764
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,900
And so that's that's a lot to 
sell in my opinion. 

765
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:06,000
I think it's why you see Indiana
is in the mix for pretty much 

766
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,100
everybody that they want you 
know, which is good to see. 

767
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,900
Yeah, no, and I think it's it. 
Also, I think there is it does 

768
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:18,100
help in the portal also because 
you know, there is a scarcity 

769
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:21,100
issue to like this was always, 
you know, with Tom crean. 

770
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:23,200
It felt like he was just 
offering everybody and just like

771
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,200
was kind of like if you were a 
top 20 recruit you got an offer 

772
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,000
for my you but it didn't feel 
like anybody it at that time, it

773
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,600
always felt like I they were 
using. 

774
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,000
I you as a leverage chip to go 
somewhere else, there is a field

775
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,300
now, we'll see how it plays out,
but it does feel like you know, 

776
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:40,900
some of these you know, like you
look at like you We've been 

777
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:44,000
talking Jameson battle a lot, 
and, you know, it's me, it's 

778
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,800
like I think part of the pitch 
to is like, hey man, like Caleb 

779
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,600
love because a lot of other 
dudes, like if you want it, go 

780
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,100
for it. 
If not like this spot, you have 

781
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:57,700
may not be available in two 
weeks and that scarcity. 

782
00:40:57,700 --> 00:40:59,500
It's kind of. 
It feels like it's shifting 

783
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:03,800
where people aren't using us to 
leverage a better spot to go to 

784
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,700
UNC or Kansas. 
It does feel like we got a lot 

785
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:09,100
of top-level guys that we're 
talking to and it's like to the 

786
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:11,800
to the players like hey, Man, 
like you got to kind of make up 

787
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,700
your mind because, you know, if 
you sit on your feet, you kick, 

788
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:18,500
you kick it around too long. 
You may not have that spot at 

789
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:23,100
for us anymore, and I think 
that's a nicer place to be than 

790
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:28,700
where we've been in the past, a 
hundred percent and Yeah, I've 

791
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,100
uh I've kind of been talking 
with some friends about like how

792
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:33,900
does that process work? 
Like you know your curtain LED 

793
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:37,000
them in battle and they're the 
same same position you. 

794
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,300
Obviously only want to take one,
do you tell them like first one 

795
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:43,800
to commit gets it? 
Or are you slow playing it like 

796
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,800
that that part of it is is a 
nice problem to have but I do. 

797
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:50,900
I'm intrigued on how that works.
We do you've got so many you 

798
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:55,300
know, kind of Hats in the ring. 
Yeah. 

799
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:57,600
No. 
It's it would be really 

800
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,100
interesting to talk to some 
like, to talk. 

801
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:03,500
I'm with you, like talk to a 
coach who's legitimately gone 

802
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:07,000
through that and like how you 
play it because I I would assume

803
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,400
if you're I you you probably 
have like you have one that you 

804
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,600
like a little bit better. 
Like the I think this would be 

805
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,800
the guy who's our real fit and 
then you probably play it as 

806
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,700
such but yeah that I'm with you 
then be really interesting to 

807
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:22,000
like deep dive. 
You know how that works and you 

808
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000
how You schedule the visits at 
all that, but it does feel like 

809
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,600
we're more in the driver seat, 
this offseason. 

810
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,300
It's been in quite a while. 
Yeah, for sure. 

811
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:31,300
Okay. 
Because with high school 

812
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:34,600
recruiting, you know, it's a 
longer process and so you know, 

813
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,700
you've got more time to figure 
all that out, but this is such a

814
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:40,000
condensed process that like you 
know, if you're trying to get 

815
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,100
four five new players on your 
team but you've got 15, you 

816
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,000
know, kind of offers out there 
two guys. 

817
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,200
It's just yeah I'm very 
intrigued on how that all plays 

818
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,600
itself out and you know what the
communication looks like with 

819
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,100
the guy. 
Might be you know one be instead

820
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:57,800
of one a on your Laura you're 
more plugged into this than I 

821
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,700
am. 
I'm curious if you have any 

822
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:03,500
insight on this like it seems to
be in college football. 

823
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:07,300
It feels like most of the top 
guys. 

824
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,200
They already know where they're 
going before they even announced

825
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,900
in the portal think you'll see 
this like, hey, I'm on the 

826
00:43:11,908 --> 00:43:13,500
portal. 
Hey, I'm at you see USC like 

827
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:15,500
within 10 minutes. 
Like wow, that was as a quick 

828
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:18,600
decision like it does feel like 
most of the top guys in 

829
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,400
football. 
It's like the portal Ting 

830
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,400
happens before the portal opens 
and like by the time, you know, 

831
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,000
they're available the only tea 
it's like Indiana in football 

832
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,200
were kind of like always like 
oh, hey like we did realize 

833
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,300
everyone's already got a pick 
like let's figure out who we 

834
00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:35,600
got. 
It feels like it's not that way 

835
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,900
in basketball. 
Is that true or do you it feels 

836
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:42,700
like most of these top guys have
not already made their decision 

837
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:44,200
when they open up their portal 
recruitment. 

838
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,100
It is a is that true and B. 
Do you have any idea why it's 

839
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:48,700
different than football and 
basketball. 

840
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:52,900
I think it's true to an extent. 
So I think I think you know, 

841
00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:56,100
there's certainly some 
back-channeling going on, you 

842
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:58,000
know. 
Yeah, starting in like January 

843
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:01,900
of staff's trying to get feels 
from AAU coaches or whatever the

844
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:04,800
case may be of like with this 
guy into the portal and then you

845
00:44:04,808 --> 00:44:06,300
know, the staff talking. 
Is this? 

846
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:08,700
A guy we'd want to go after if 
he enters, you know, I've got a 

847
00:44:08,707 --> 00:44:12,500
connection here to his, a, you 
coach, whatever the case may be.

848
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:15,800
So there's certainly some 
back-channeling going on, but I 

849
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,300
don't think there's too many 
that have their mind made up 

850
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,800
when they portal. 
I think that, you know, they've 

851
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,800
got a fairly select list and 
then, you know, Maybe somebody 

852
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,200
comes out of the blue of like a 
blue blood or something. 

853
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,400
Like we want that guy and then 
all of a sudden it just changes 

854
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:33,200
the game but I think it's some 
of it is that, you know, it's 

855
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,800
just the basketball team. 
The rosters are so small. 

856
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:39,800
And so, you know, teams don't 
know what's going to happen or 

857
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,400
who's entering the portals. 
You know, you might need half 

858
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,600
your new team, you might need 20
new players, like I you did last

859
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,900
year. 
So I think that's why it's not 

860
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,500
as cut and dry as you may see 
him football. 

861
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,400
But you know, I Like I think 
David Johnson was an example. 

862
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,700
He knew he was coming Indiana as
soon as using the portal. 

863
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:59,700
I think he was at IU commit very
soon after because he had a 

864
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:01,900
relationship with Kenya. 
So certainly some 

865
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:04,000
back-channeling going on but I 
do agree with you. 

866
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,300
That it's not at like football 
where it's like like David 

867
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:09,300
Jackson, he entered the portal 
and he was an eye. 

868
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,000
You commit like the next day. 
Yeah. 

869
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:16,100
And so yeah, certainly some some
conversations going on before 

870
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:19,600
the portal actually exist. 
But yeah, as always college 

871
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,000
football is dirtier than any of 
the other. 

872
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,600
Sport like no matter how like CD
you think college basketball, 

873
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,400
might be it feels like college 
football is always like hold my 

874
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:35,100
beer mode for college football. 
Oh yeah, 100% and Indiana. 

875
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:36,800
Football is always not good at 
it. 

876
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:38,600
So let's kind of wrap up on 
this. 

877
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,100
Like, what are your, what are 
your thoughts? 

878
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:43,700
I hate expectations but it's 
just the only word I can. 

879
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:47,800
I can use it. 
What are your expectations for 

880
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,100
next year in both? 
You know, how the team looks the

881
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:52,000
offense. 
We run? 

882
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,000
Kind of, you know, how you how 
you would see the season going. 

883
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,500
I'm encouraged, you know, 
obviously, we don't know what 

884
00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:02,800
the roster looks like quite yet,
but I've got an idea of what are

885
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,800
you at least once the roster to 
look like? 

886
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,100
And, you know, it with that said
it has me encouraged about what 

887
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:11,600
they'll look like. 
You know they'll be they'll be 

888
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,800
more athletic and they'll be 
deeper which is encouraging to 

889
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,100
me like you know, on paper but 
you know in in terms of what 

890
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:22,700
they're look going after in the 
portal these are always deep in 

891
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:23,900
October and then we get to 
March. 

892
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:25,500
It's like nobody could play but 
you're right. 

893
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:28,600
These are guys do that like 
everybody that recruiting the 

894
00:46:28,607 --> 00:46:31,300
portal which as you mentioned 
know, they're going to be 

895
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:36,100
possibly three starters and then
you know, sixth or seventh man 

896
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,600
that they're going to get out of
the portal. 

897
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:40,900
Everybody they're recruiting now
again they've got to land some 

898
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:43,600
of these guys but everybody that
recruiting has been productive 

899
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,500
at the college level already and
to me that's important because 

900
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:50,800
you know, Tamar Bates, lot of 
potential. 

901
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,300
No production. 
Join Geronimo, a lot of 

902
00:46:53,308 --> 00:46:57,500
potential minimal production. 
Logan dunk them never saw him 

903
00:46:57,500 --> 00:47:02,800
play you know so and then Malik 
renew freshman you know. 

904
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,200
So these guys that you kind of 
expect to be really really 

905
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,200
solid. 
It was kind of based on 

906
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,400
potential last year in terms of 
depth. 

907
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,400
Well now this year you're 
looking a guys hopefully that 

908
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,000
have been productive at the 
college level already and to me 

909
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,400
that that means something, you 
know, granted it's not at the 

910
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:25,800
Big Ten level For some of these 
guys. 

911
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,200
But so yeah, so I think Indiana 
on paper should have a deeper 

912
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,900
team than what we've seen. 
They'll be more athletic and 

913
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:37,400
then all offensively, you know, 
just a better flow, you know, in

914
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,400
terms of more ball screens, the 
floor opened up. 

915
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,400
Hopefully you're still going to 
see the ball thrown in the post.

916
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,400
Malik renews a very good post 
player. 

917
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,000
You know, he can score with both
hands, he's got good feet and I 

918
00:47:50,008 --> 00:47:52,400
think you're going to see him 
make a big jump next season, as 

919
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,200
long as he can stay on the floor
and Terms of foul trouble. 

920
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,400
I think you're going to see him 
make a big jump. 

921
00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:01,100
You know, Xavier Johnson is a 
Difference Maker, he can run the

922
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:03,200
floor, he can run a ball you 
know as what he says run a 

923
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:09,900
ballclub and you know would 
expect him at 22, 23, 24 years 

924
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:14,100
old, next season can help kind 
of be the driving force of 

925
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,500
Indiana, kind of turning that 
corner on top in terms of 

926
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:19,000
toughness and I know that's an 
intangible and I know it's a 

927
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:21,000
buzz word that gets thrown 
around a lot. 

928
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,600
But you know, I feel I feel like
Indiana against Miami just kind 

929
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,600
of got out. 
Just you know those guys were 

930
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,900
going after every loose ball. 
They just you know Indiana 

931
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:32,900
didn't look to be in the same 
ballpark just in terms of that 

932
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,300
intangible and again I know it's
a buzzword and it's it's what 

933
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:42,500
you see is not necessarily the 
big picture but I'm excited. 

934
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,500
You know, it's March 30th, it 
has been out of the tournament. 

935
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:47,900
Now a couple weeks and I'm still
excited about Indiana 

936
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:49,700
basketball. 
I think that means something. 

937
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,200
There's been many years were by 
March 30th at Mike. 

938
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:53,900
I don't want to talk about 
Indiana, basketball. 

939
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,100
Like I'm apathetic about it, 
like that's not where I'm at 

940
00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:00,800
currently. 
So to me that's a sign of 

941
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,800
encouragement. 
Yeah, I mean, and I think we've 

942
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,100
talked about on this pot and 
I've heard it a couple other 

943
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:09,600
places, but it is really worth 
noting. 

944
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:17,100
When you talk about the portal 
is just how, how transferable 

945
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:21,800
those numbers are for portal 
guys, compared to, you know, 

946
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,200
freshman? 
So you look at, you know, Malik 

947
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,400
renew his fresh, his senior year
at Mount Verde the average of no

948
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:35,200
11.9, 12 points a game basically
and He averaged with the rebound

949
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,700
stats like he was like 12 and 6,
basically his senior year, you 

950
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:43,400
know, his freshman year, he did 
not average that here, he had a 

951
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,300
good year, but he definitely had
a freshman year. 

952
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,100
You look at someone like Xavier 
Johnson, he pulled his stats 

953
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:51,100
like is last year Pittsburgh. 
He had an offensive rating of 

954
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:54,700
105, average, you know, 
effective field, goal, shooting 

955
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:59,400
percentage of 49 point to his 
first year at Indiana has a, you

956
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,200
know, offensive rating of 102 
and effective field goal 

957
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,700
shooting Eating a 40 46.1, you 
know, picking random stats here.

958
00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:07,600
But it's like what he did at 
Pittsburgh. 

959
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,100
Was very transferable what he 
did in Indiana in high school to

960
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:13,200
college. 
You can't really transfer that. 

961
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,400
And so you look at a guy like, 
you know, I'm pulling up a 

962
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:20,300
Jameson battle here, get not 
saying he's what we have to get 

963
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:23,000
or not, but just a guy I know 
we're going after pretty hard, 

964
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:26,200
you know, this is a guy who you 
know is averaging, you know, 

965
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:31,100
he's putting up, you know, 12 14
points a game and you know is 

966
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:33,800
offensive ratings, not off. 
It's 88.9 eat. 

967
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,700
But like, you know, you're going
to get that. 

968
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:39,100
He had a really bad year last 
year, but he's every other year 

969
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:40,500
at Minnesota, and George 
Washington. 

970
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:43,400
He had an offensive rating over 
100, you know, effective field 

971
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,800
goal, percentages of over 55%, 
you assume you're going to get 

972
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,000
something very similar to that. 
Because, you know, I think what 

973
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,000
is often forgotten is that? 
Yes. 

974
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,100
Battles in a unique spot because
he's going for big tend to Big 

975
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:00,200
Ten, but, you know, Caleb Sparks
he's going from, you know, Max 

976
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,100
cool. 
To a Big Ten school. 

977
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:04,600
He's got a deal with a higher 
level of competition in the Big 

978
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:09,200
Ten, but he still played against
D1 opponents for a year or two. 

979
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:12,000
He's already made the transition
from high school to college, 

980
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,500
which is we've all done. 
It is a huge transition. 

981
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,700
You're living on your own. 
You have a lot more freedom, you

982
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:21,700
know, suddenly all the 
competition is really good, and 

983
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:24,200
that's a huge most. 
Guys are not Jalen Hood Fein or 

984
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,100
they just come in and they're 
plug and play and even jail, 

985
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:30,100
Hood Shafi, know, you saw some 
some, you know, he had some ups 

986
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:34,200
and downs as freshman year so 
that's I'm encouraged having so 

987
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,500
many portal guys. 
Coming in is like, I think you 

988
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:38,700
can plug and play a lot of those
numbers in. 

989
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,400
Whereas like you said it was 
kind of like, all right, 

990
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,200
tomorrow, Bates, can't he make 
the jumper like, you know, how 

991
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,100
does his 15 points a game in 
high school really translate to 

992
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:49,600
the to Big Ten? 
It's like, I don't know, whereas

993
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:52,800
I think a lot of the other guys,
we really can put that in a lot 

994
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,300
of, you know, they're not 
dealing with all your stuff. 

995
00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:56,700
They're just dealing with a 
couple of things like a new 

996
00:51:56,700 --> 00:52:00,800
system and in the Big Ten. 
So I am also encouraged and it 

997
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,000
seems like we're getting We're 
going after a lot of the guys, 

998
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,700
we want to get in the portal and
hopefully we get some of them 

999
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:09,200
and we'll see. 
But I'm with you excited last 

1000
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,000
thing. 
Like what is your expectation 

1001
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,400
for next year as a season? 
Like what's a, what's a good 

1002
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,600
season for you? 
I want to make second weekend, 

1003
00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:20,900
you know, it's been a while, you
know, second weekend, you know, 

1004
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:22,800
I think similar to what we saw 
this season. 

1005
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,200
Like if you can be a top 25 team
for the most of the most of the 

1006
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,800
year and get be protected to 
seed and then hopefully get a 

1007
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,500
better matchup and The NCAA 
tournament. 

1008
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:35,400
But you know what? 
I want to see really is turn the

1009
00:52:35,408 --> 00:52:39,200
corner. 
In terms of not having a team 

1010
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,100
that is solely built for Big, 
Ten basketball and having a team

1011
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:45,600
that's built for where College 
basketball's going on the 

1012
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,800
greater landscape. 
You know, I think that the Big 

1013
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:54,300
10 is, is falling into a rut, a 
bit based on building teams for 

1014
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:57,800
Big, Ten play and then you get 
to March and there's not even a 

1015
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,000
you know Michigan State's you're
so sweet 16 Squad you know I 

1016
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,300
also think the Big Ten beats up 
on each other so much that it's 

1017
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:06,400
not like these Big Ten teams 
outside of Purdue being the 

1018
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,300
biggest upset ever. 
We're being upset, you know, 

1019
00:53:09,308 --> 00:53:12,800
they're all six seven, eight 
nine seeds losing in the second 

1020
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,500
round, you know, or you know, 
Indiana losing to a five seed, 

1021
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:19,500
like it the Big Ten, it wasn't 
like there was a bunch of ones 

1022
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:22,300
into seeds that were getting 
upset. 

1023
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:25,200
They beat a point there and 
they're all kind of Middle Road 

1024
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,000
tournament chips when that 
happens. 

1025
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,500
So, you know, that's, that's 
getting off my soapbox a little 

1026
00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:34,000
bit. 
Now, da Butt. 

1027
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:39,300
Ted, make sweet 16 and I'm 
happy. 

1028
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,200
That's a, those are high. 
I love it, man. 

1029
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:43,600
It's good. 
Those are high aspirations. 

1030
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:48,400
I think, I think you to me it's 
like I'm a little bit lower. 

1031
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:51,600
I just think you got to make a 
tournament, you know, and just 

1032
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,500
get in hopefully, you know, out 
of the play and range be in the,

1033
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:57,700
you know, 89 range for me is 
like that would be as I sit 

1034
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:00,000
here. 
Now, on March 30th that to me 

1035
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,700
would be like you just, you have
to make the tournament. 

1036
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:04,600
You can't start having these ups
and downs, like you've got to 

1037
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,500
figure out a way to flatten the 
Curve. 

1038
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,800
So speak to go back to what we 
talked about earlier covid day. 

1039
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,400
So anyway two weeks - curve Baby
by the curve baby. 

1040
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,800
Yeah let's go back to that just 
do masks but flatten the curve 

1041
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:20,000
Tony good stuff. 
You can catch him on the the 

1042
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,100
film room. 
Appreciate you. 

1043
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:26,300
Have it on having you on and 
we'll definitely have you on as 

1044
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:28,000
we roll into the beginning of 
the Season. 

1045
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,900
We see what's going on the 
transfer portal portal, but 

1046
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:34,200
thank you guys all look forward 
to what's going on the portal 

1047
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,400
and hopefully in a couple of 
weeks. 

1048
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,300
We'll know a little bit more 
about what this team looks like 

1049
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:40,500
and maybe we can do a deeper 
dive into that that roster 

1050
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:42,000
because again I think some of 
those stats will be 

1051
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,600
transferable. 
We can get a pretty good feel 

1052
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,900
for what we might be looking at 
next year with the Hoosiers. 

1053
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:48,900
Anyway for Tony, this is Scott 
signing off.