1 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,000 You're listening to the back home network presented by home 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:24,500 field apparel. Welcome back to Crimson cast 3 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,600 emergency Edition. Friday morning. 4 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,900 January 21st, and the streak is over. 5 00:00:31,900 --> 00:00:34,600 Indiana has defeated Purdue Wild game. 6 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,000 It is survival. Yes. 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:37,700 Yes. Yes. 8 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:39,900 Got Caulfield, and I joining you here. 9 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:43,800 We were both at the game, not sitting together, but in 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,400 different Vantage points of the Arena, so we wanted to get our 11 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:52,100 thoughts down in recorded form, before it wore off, and it still 12 00:00:52,100 --> 00:00:54,600 hasn't worn off scott. We're doing this at about 9:20 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,400 on Friday morning and still. Buzzing. 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,000 As they say, how are you doing with the? 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,400 How was the drive home? Like, how you feeling? 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,300 Right now? I'm feeling really good. 17 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:09,100 Feeling very good drive, home was nice 37 or 60-69 being done 18 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:10,900 is fantastic. But no, listen to the assembly 19 00:01:10,900 --> 00:01:14,700 called post game. It was it was fun. 20 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:16,800 It's funny. I was thinking about this. 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,100 You were going to talk about where this kind of fits in and 22 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:23,400 how important this win was, but it was a lot of things that I've 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,900 been feeling and I'm just one vantage point, you know, 24 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:28,200 middle-aged guy. Now, which is wild to say, but, 25 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:32,400 you know, it reminded me of kind of when you and I started this, 26 00:01:32,700 --> 00:01:34,900 I would call you. We call each other all the time 27 00:01:34,900 --> 00:01:36,200 and talk about stuff like an hour's. 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,600 Are we gonna stop and put this in the pot? 29 00:01:37,700 --> 00:01:40,100 Yeah, and I would say the last five or six years. 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,000 I can't remember the last time I called you just to talk about 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,700 basketball because I've been like, you know, stuff would 32 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:47,400 happen like yeah. Well, there's always next time 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,800 we pods like I don't want to kill the ends like, with his 34 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,400 felt like I haven't had that moment. 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,200 Like I've got to call Galen and talk to him and feel like we 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,200 used to have that all of the time. 37 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,400 Because one of Things we always say, is that we got to stop and 38 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,600 just leave it on the Pod. And this is like, I haven't done 39 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,000 that in like five years. Yeah. 40 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:06,500 Now you called me as I read more, I was halfway to my car 41 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,700 and you gave me a ring yesterday and I mean granted I had stayed. 42 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:14,900 So I it's like yesterday, the first of all before we get to 43 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:20,000 all of that just to remind her that the Crimson cast podcast 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,700 and the family of crimson cast podcast is part of the back home 45 00:02:22,700 --> 00:02:25,500 network, which of course is brought to you by home field 46 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:29,300 apparel your place to go. So for vintage College, apparel, 47 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:32,300 and more. I was wearing my bison hoodie at 48 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:35,100 the game yesterday and was happy to do. 49 00:02:35,100 --> 00:02:37,600 So, actually in the postgame celebration. 50 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,400 I was over in the bleachers on the west and and lady was like 51 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,700 wow, that's a really nice hoodie. 52 00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:46,400 So I was like trying to give her the web the dress and I was like 53 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,600 this is kind of an impossible thing to do right now, but man, 54 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,300 if you are out there and you were listening, you can go to 55 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:52,700 home TP. Yes. 56 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:54,500 Home feeling, backslash. Hope-filled. 57 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:56,500 Yeah, was, you know, one of those I really just need to get 58 00:02:56,700 --> 00:03:00,400 The QR code embedded on the sweatshirt so that like, wow, 59 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,300 where'd you get that? Just be like, please scan me. 60 00:03:02,300 --> 00:03:03,500 Ma'am. Please stand me up. 61 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,300 But yes, hopefully it'll Peril.com. 62 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:10,600 If you use the code home, 15% off your first order and that 63 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,700 will be just the first of many. I promise you. 64 00:03:12,700 --> 00:03:14,100 So be sure to check them out. Anyway. 65 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:16,400 Yes, I stuck around after the game. 66 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,500 Watching the revelry. I didn't charge the floor. 67 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,100 I was in a position where I probably could have, but I the 68 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:24,900 kids need that more than I do at this point. 69 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:28,400 And so, but it was great to watch and then, you know, coming 70 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,000 out of the game. You called me. 71 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,300 It was just a, there was just a Vibe, you know, among that crowd 72 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:38,000 coming out of there and it was great to see all the 73 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,000 celebrations. I mean, let's will talk about 74 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,600 the game a little bit. But I agree with you. 75 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Like there was, there was so much to unpack from that game 76 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,600 from a, just a pure basketball perspective for this Indiana 77 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,900 team that we've talked about quite a bit, there up there 78 00:03:52,900 --> 00:03:55,300 down. There's obviously something 79 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:58,000 special Brewing. With this program. 80 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,500 And one of the things that we talked about is like these sorts 81 00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:07,200 of winds are. There are or can be I guess 82 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,900 maybe not our because we don't know until after the fact that 83 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:13,100 they can be catalysts for really good things happening. 84 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,500 And that's I think the vibe from the whole game from beginning to 85 00:04:17,500 --> 00:04:19,899 end. I mean you texted me as I walked 86 00:04:19,899 --> 00:04:23,400 into the arena and was like, you know, your words were something 87 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,400 along the lines of this is like a special crowd this crowd, 88 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:32,200 really, you know, it's one of those deals you can feel a good 89 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,000 crowd tonight was what you, you texted me. 90 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,400 And it's Like right. Yeah, I tweeted that out. 91 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,500 I mean I've been coming to game since 86 with a little bit of a 92 00:04:40,508 --> 00:04:42,000 gap. I lived in Houston, but you 93 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,600 can't, you know, I've been there long enough and this is a skill 94 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,500 that I think that I have you can feel when the crowd is just is 95 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:50,800 electric. And there's there's games like, 96 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,000 you know, like the you and North Carolina game a couple like 97 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,700 couple of years ago. The crowd was really fired up 98 00:04:55,700 --> 00:04:58,100 but there's like this this extra buzz when you get there. 99 00:04:58,100 --> 00:05:01,200 It's like oh student sections full and it's like, I get there 100 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,900 like 25 minutes for game and it's like this place like it 101 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:06,100 had, well, I'm sure. Sure, we'll have a couple 102 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:08,700 Kentucky game comparisons, but it had that comparison like oh 103 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:11,600 the crowd is into and like there is just there's a fire up, 104 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,900 Assembly Hall. There's an excited. 105 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:15,300 Assembly Hall. And then there's like what you 106 00:05:15,300 --> 00:05:18,300 saw last night where it's like, this is electric and it doesn't 107 00:05:18,300 --> 00:05:21,000 get there all the time. And we haven't seen that in 108 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,000 seven or eight years. I get this funny you and I 109 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,100 mentioned something at the st. John's game. 110 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:27,100 It's like this. There's something here, like 111 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:28,800 there is a Sparks that were there. 112 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,600 That's like, I haven't seen that in the last night. 113 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,600 It, you know, it caught fire. Yeah. 114 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,500 No, it was, yeah. It was a Is an aura there were 115 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:40,300 like dueling or has of joy and violence in the crowd, which is 116 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:42,800 always to me. Those are the best Assembly Hall 117 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,700 crowds. Like you can go to other Arenas, 118 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:46,400 Mackey. Arena can get loud. 119 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,800 But Mackey arena is almost always just an aura of violence. 120 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,100 Like there's, there's, there's never the same like, there's 121 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:55,600 just this distant. It's hard to put assembly Halls, 122 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,400 Vibe into full context when it's at full voice. 123 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,400 And we haven't had it for a while. 124 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,900 I mean, I really feel like maybe the Michigan game from 2013 was 125 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:08,200 the What time that I can remember the energy being at 126 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,900 that level, and that was a Game Day game like crap, you know, 127 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:13,800 the students were in there for. Literally the whole day. 128 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:16,500 There was so much build-up and that was, that was a great 129 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:20,800 basketball game on the end of it, but you just and I feel bad. 130 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:25,100 I talked with some of my, my students and people that have 131 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:27,700 been around the program for maybe the last six or seven 132 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:32,400 years, and there's no frame of reference for last night's game 133 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:36,100 in terms of what they've experienced because The program 134 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:39,700 just hasn't been there. They have not been able to rise 135 00:06:39,700 --> 00:06:43,900 to these sorts of moments. And so I'm just I'm excited that 136 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:46,800 everybody who had an experience that experienced it. 137 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,700 And for those Old-Timers like us, who used to experience this, 138 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:53,800 what felt like on a regular basis. 139 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:56,800 This was this was like the pointy edges of Assembly Hall 140 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,400 coming back a little bit. And so that was very exciting. 141 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,400 And there was, there was such great build-up for the game 142 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,200 coming in and we talked about this on the last podcast. 143 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,000 Scott like this was not an insurmountable foe. 144 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:12,000 If Indiana played with effort and all the way through the game 145 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,500 with the exception of like the first four minutes of the game, 146 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,800 the effort was there and that, you know, really is the big 147 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,400 difference in the last several years between Indiana and 148 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,900 Purdue. Is that, you know, Matt Painter 149 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:28,100 has gotten the right mix of players who come in and play 150 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:31,500 with, you know, frankly the passion and energy and 151 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:34,600 commitment that made Jean Katie's Purdue teams in the 80s 152 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,000 and 90s, so, Go to play against and what Indiana has lacked has 153 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,700 frankly been that level of you know, I do want to say, you 154 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:46,600 know, like effort but that's kind of what it feels like like 155 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,200 that that willingness to fight through things and take punches 156 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,900 and come back. That's really what not, you 157 00:07:52,900 --> 00:07:56,300 know, it wasn't the man-to-man defense or the motion offense 158 00:07:56,300 --> 00:07:58,900 that made Bob Knight's teams. So difficult to play against it 159 00:07:58,900 --> 00:08:01,800 was that level of passion and commitment and that's what made 160 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,700 those Purdue Indiana game. So special. 161 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:07,600 This felt like tapping. Back into that vein, once more. 162 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,200 And, you know, for you can nitpick Mike Woodson on some 163 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,100 individual coaching decisions or rotation decisions here and 164 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:17,800 there, what? I don't think you can nitpick is 165 00:08:18,100 --> 00:08:24,100 now twice in big games in conference at home, Ohio State, 166 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,400 and now Purdue we've seen Indiana. 167 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:32,000 Hit levels of resilience and commitment on the floor that we 168 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,000 haven't seen in a long time. Knowing that the effort goes 169 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,900 across the board. I mean, I almost want to just 170 00:08:37,900 --> 00:08:41,100 mention everybody who played like, on the assembly, call 171 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:42,900 their talk, about the Hoosier hustle, war, and trying to pick 172 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:46,000 a between four or five, guys like that entirety like 173 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,800 everybody who stepped on the court last night, gave it their 174 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,000 all to the point that, you know, Woodson obviously had his team 175 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,300 in that second half and like, those are my guys, those last 176 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:57,200 three or four minutes. It was a rock fight and I 177 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,200 haven't seen a team. They were just coming up like 178 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,900 gasps like they were walking up before it not in a bad way, just 179 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:07,100 like they had given Everything they had and you can see it. 180 00:09:07,700 --> 00:09:11,400 It's it was great. And that that's been the trouble 181 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,800 with these are Indian. This has been the trouble with 182 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,600 this losing streak, to Purdue is, you know, you can lose a 183 00:09:16,608 --> 00:09:19,100 teams like, you know, Michigan state was like, alright, they're 184 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:20,800 really good. And we're playing tough, but 185 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,400 it's like we just don't have the horses over this stretch. 186 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:27,900 It does feel like, you know, the difference has been produced as 187 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:30,200 punched Us in the mouth metaphorically and we just don't 188 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,400 punch back. And last night, it felt like we 189 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,000 took the punches. Then we started punching. 190 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:38,500 In back and it's wild like, you know, my son, you know, my 191 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:41,200 great, my son, Grayson is five. He turns six. 192 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:43,300 This June. I'm like driving home. 193 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:48,100 Like this is the first time he's been alive for IU to beat Purdue 194 00:09:48,100 --> 00:09:50,400 like, the streak is nuts. It's also been put on getting 195 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,700 those chronic Hoosier. It's like nobody beats US 10 196 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:57,800 times in a row, right? Um, yeah, it's but no it last 197 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,400 night. Was you saw that they like that 198 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:04,000 that team had just given their all and you know, but where do 199 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:08,100 Before we dig into the particulars of the game because 200 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:11,500 such a unique game. I will say this. 201 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:15,700 Yeah, I'm gonna go here. I'm so over the place reminds 202 00:10:15,700 --> 00:10:17,400 like our Kentucky pops other place. 203 00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:21,600 This is your point about Woodson, like he is doing the 204 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,100 macro things. So well, I guess there's little 205 00:10:24,100 --> 00:10:26,500 in-game decisions. He still does the five out 206 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:29,600 substitutions or just kind of weirdo zhen be a tick. 207 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,100 So to speak that you see, there are a lot of drive and kick, 208 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,800 those things will come. Um, but macro wise, having 209 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,500 Woodson's got this all on, it's funny. 210 00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:40,400 I have a tweet that I was going to send you. 211 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:43,900 I'm not picking on him, but it's like I love this. 212 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:48,600 There's a story by data O'Neill in the athletic about like pit 213 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,100 how pit, you know, the boosters wanted a new coach. 214 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:53,700 And now that the program is gone and then Seth Davis has the 215 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:56,500 thing of like when it gets to a point where coach fires his 216 00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:57,900 fans. He's doesn't work out well for 217 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:00,800 the school, he leaves, but kind of this, this overarching feel 218 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,000 that's always like, hey fans. Don't fire your coach like you. 219 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,500 Just fall off the abyss and we heard a ton of that. 220 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:10,600 Like who does I you think they are firing Archie after 4 years. 221 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,700 Like this is why. Now? 222 00:11:12,700 --> 00:11:15,800 This is why like we're here. We're seeing it and I get so 223 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,000 tired of that Narrative of liked a fans, just be happy with what 224 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,700 you have, be happy that you're where you're at to know like we 225 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:26,200 needed to be rejuvenated and goddamn like Mike Woodson sister 226 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,000 cool cat he's doing the right thing. 227 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,400 I mean this season, we're not going to win the title. 228 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,400 Like we're not going to win the Big Ten but this is this does 229 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,600 feel like Like a real turning of the tide. 230 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,800 Well, you know, it's your point about the coaching change is an 231 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:46,700 important one, and I think that the, the from the outside world, 232 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,900 there's Indiana basketball looks like every other basketball 233 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:51,500 program. I get that. 234 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:57,700 But when you look at it from the perspective of a longtime 235 00:11:57,700 --> 00:12:00,600 follower of the program or someone that's trying to buy 236 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,300 into the hype, what's been missing from IU. 237 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:06,900 Not just during the Archie Miller era, but frankly during 238 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:11,300 the last three seasons, maybe you know of the Tom crean era 239 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:14,800 really last four seasons, I guess with with a couple of 240 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:20,900 small exceptions was the feeling that IU basketball could 241 00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:23,800 establish. Among its fans. 242 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,100 That this is a special way of playing basketball that these 243 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:31,800 players have bought into the Mystique and to the overall. 244 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,500 And look, people, you can point and say, well, look, I use just 245 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:37,900 not that special, but they were. And if you look around the 246 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:42,200 country at the programs that I, you used to count themselves in 247 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,900 the ranks of the Kentucky's, the Dukes, the Kansas has the North 248 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:50,600 Carolina's. You still see that Mystique in 249 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,400 how those players approach play. In their games. 250 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,600 Yes, they might have a bad season here or there but there's 251 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,300 a reason why those programs have a different feeling around them. 252 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,600 And yes, I you has not been in that category. 253 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,600 I mean, you know what, we're seeing people criticize the 254 00:13:06,608 --> 00:13:10,200 students for rushing the floor and it's like, well, you just 255 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,700 get over. Well, well, here's the thing, 256 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:13,800 though. You look at that and you can 257 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,600 say, well, are you, you know, you can't call yourself a 258 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,600 big-time program and I'd say the answer is, that's correct. 259 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:22,200 IU is not a big-time program right now and they haven't been 260 00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:25,700 for a while and I have no problem with rushing the court 261 00:13:25,700 --> 00:13:26,900 in this game. It was an exciting game. 262 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:30,000 It was back and forth. There was such a drop-off went 263 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,500 to Purdue took a two point lead with under a minute to play. 264 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:36,800 Everybody in the building is looking at this and saying I 265 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,400 have seen this movie before and I am about to get my heart 266 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,700 ripped out. And so then for Indiana to come 267 00:13:43,700 --> 00:13:47,900 back score, the last five points of the game and pick up the 268 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:50,700 victory. What made that important? 269 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,600 And and you know, why? My Woodson deserve such a huge 270 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,400 amount of credit is, I don't think we see the last four or 271 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:03,000 five Indiana teams be able to do that against Purdue, you know, 272 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,900 maybe against other teams in the conference. 273 00:14:04,900 --> 00:14:09,900 But in this particular game were emotion and will matter more 274 00:14:09,900 --> 00:14:12,300 than execution. I don't think you get to see 275 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:14,900 Indiana doing that. And for the fans. 276 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:19,100 Yes, you know, 25 years ago, which is where a lot of our fans 277 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:22,200 are still stuck. You wouldn't rush the floor for 278 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:25,200 or a win in the conference against Purdue at home. 279 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,200 But this fan base, this especially the students. 280 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,500 Right now. This is like 1973. 281 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,100 This isn't like 1993. This is a program that has been 282 00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:39,400 in the wilderness for half a decade if not more than that. 283 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,000 And so this is the kind of thing as we saw with the Kentucky game 284 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,900 in 2011, as we saw with the Penn State football game last year. 285 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,200 This is one of those games that if you're doing things the right 286 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,200 way. Mmm, probably you're going. 287 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,700 To win. The question then becomes 288 00:14:54,700 --> 00:14:55,900 long-term. Can you sustain it? 289 00:14:55,900 --> 00:14:58,200 But let's not worry about that right now because I think with 290 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,600 basketball the feeling you get off of this team is. 291 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,100 Yes. It's a flawed team from a roster 292 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:06,100 construction perspective. Yes, you've got guys that can 293 00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:09,000 show up and have great games and then disappear in the next one, 294 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:12,300 but it's a team that's cobbling together a mentality and an 295 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:16,600 attitude again for, you know, for the so, I saw somebody 296 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,300 mentioned yesterday. I forget where this team kind of 297 00:15:19,300 --> 00:15:22,600 reminds you of the first K Samson team, which A lot of 298 00:15:22,608 --> 00:15:26,200 people have forgotten about but that team kind of drew a line in 299 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,800 the sand on defense and in terms of Will and execution and for 300 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,200 the first time in like five years back, then you were like, 301 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,600 wow this team is good to get behind this team. 302 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,400 Really feels like it cares and it's like willing to do what it 303 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,200 needs to do. To pick up these gritty types of 304 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,200 Victories. And so a lot of things to unpack 305 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,800 there and we won't know the ramifications for a long time, 306 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:52,200 but it feels like something momentous is starting to take. 307 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:54,100 Place. And this is the type of game 308 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,700 that helps to illustrate that. The other thing that I will say, 309 00:15:57,700 --> 00:15:59,600 I was thinking about this driving home. 310 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:02,100 I don't want to get back onto the Archie thing. 311 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:05,400 But this is what really frustrated me with the Archie 312 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,200 era is, it was like, I felt like I was kept on being told by just 313 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,300 wait, like, we're, installing this pack line defense. 314 00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:14,200 It takes time, you know, it takes time and to me offense 315 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,200 does take time like on the offensive side. 316 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,200 You need guys who have skill, who can shoot. 317 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,700 Like there's some things that can't be taught just in an 318 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:25,000 offseason, but Just like we need to remember this moment right 319 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,400 here. Mike Woodson took over this team 320 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,300 less than a year ago. They are the 11th best adjusted 321 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:36,300 defense in the country s best in only only in the in Big Ten only 322 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:39,000 second best only because Illinois has got up there but 323 00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:41,000 they're ready. Second best in the Big Ten like 324 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:44,300 this is one of the top 15 defensive teams in the country. 325 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:48,400 We did that in nine months. So like this idea that you know 326 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,700 whenever if and whenever we have an X coaching search for 327 00:16:50,700 --> 00:16:52,100 hopefully we're never in the wilderness again. 328 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:55,300 D of echo needs two or three years to install this defense, 329 00:16:55,300 --> 00:16:56,700 like no. Like if you know what you're 330 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:59,600 doing and you're putting the effort and you install the right 331 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,900 defensive tactics defense should be able to show results the next 332 00:17:03,900 --> 00:17:06,099 season. Yeah, and I mean, look, I think 333 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,400 something that it's important to keep in mind the, you know, 334 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,000 look, Archie Miller didn't do a bad job necessarily of 335 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,800 individual defensive instruction because Mike, Woodson did 336 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,200 inherit some pretty good players. 337 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,500 Defensively what he's done though, is put a system in that. 338 00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:22,099 Those players can work in a lot more. 339 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,000 Organically than what they seem to be able to do in that pack 340 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,900 wine. And that's one of those things. 341 00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:30,700 I think we'll always kind of scratch our heads on. 342 00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:35,000 But to me, it's not so much that Woodson has gotten them to buy 343 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,200 into a system as much as it is that Woodson's gotten them to 344 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,100 buy into a mentality. And I think that that honestly 345 00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:44,100 is the big difference even on offense and this is not a great 346 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:46,300 offensive team. It's probably not going to be a 347 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:49,300 great offensive team, but they've been able to buy into a 348 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:54,200 mentality that at least at And I think look increasingly. 349 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,000 I think you'll probably see them playing better on the road as 350 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,900 they start to get more confidence from games like this. 351 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,100 It it's less about the X's and O's and more about the mentality 352 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:08,700 of how the players are viewing going into the game and 353 00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:13,500 themselves. And look, you know, we I, you 354 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:16,600 know, when we talking about this team and the way that they're 355 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,100 put together, one of the things I brought up after the last game 356 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:23,600 and it was really the result of a bunch of games together was 357 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,800 robbed fantasy. Hasn't been playing anywhere 358 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,700 close to what you would think that he'd be able to play and 359 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:32,100 you know up until last night you look at his stats and you're 360 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:37,000 like, I'm so confused as to why this has been such a struggle 361 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,700 and Rob fennessy deserves all the credit in the world because 362 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:45,000 essentially out of nowhere, he came in and had his best game as 363 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,900 an Indiana, Hoosier. Yes, he's had games that were 364 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:50,700 slightly better from an offensive rating perspective, 365 00:18:50,900 --> 00:18:54,700 but the overall game, He play offensively defensively, 366 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:59,000 especially in that first half. He saved Indiana from what 367 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,100 looked like it was going to be an embarrassing, you know, 368 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:04,900 experience in the first four minutes and completely change 369 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:07,600 the game. The game was never the same for 370 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,500 either Indiana or Purdue from the moment that Rob fennessy 371 00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:12,300 took that first like three-pointer. 372 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:14,200 It was just suddenly like, oh wait a minute. 373 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,900 That's what Indiana supposed to be doing. 374 00:19:16,300 --> 00:19:20,700 And you know, you know the we heard in the postgame press 375 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:23,200 conference. And I think fennessy talked 376 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:28,000 about a to maybe on television that Woodson pulls him aside 377 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,500 before the game and says, you know, you may not have anybody 378 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:35,900 in your corner, but you've got me in your corner that resonates 379 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,100 in a way that it just seems like we haven't seen in Indiana for a 380 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:44,000 while like this this sense of you mentioned of coach or, you 381 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,600 know, fans firing their coach, the distance that you would get. 382 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:52,300 From Miller in the obviously from the inside. 383 00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:55,500 But also even from crane who had a tendency to every time things 384 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:59,000 weren't going well point the finger at the Players sitting on 385 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,900 his bench like you're not getting that sense out of 386 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:03,900 Woodson. He's really managed to get this 387 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,300 team mentality and so a guy like Rob fennessy who looked like his 388 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:11,300 confidence was crushed. Look like he was just not going 389 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:15,100 to be capable of starting it up. Again comes out and against you 390 00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:18,800 know, the biggest rival that Indiana's got A team that he 391 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,400 grew up right down the road from had his best game as an Indiana. 392 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,900 Hoosier that all credits her obstinacy, but that's also a 393 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:28,900 culture and atmosphere thing and it just feels very different 394 00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:33,300 vibe Wise from what you've seen from Indiana recently finished 395 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:36,900 his first shot one of his first, I think it was his first year 396 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:39,300 when it was for a few threes was like, a step back, three like 397 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:42,900 hijabs depth in step back, like very confidently, hit a three. 398 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,200 And we're thinking like, oh, that's okay, McGraw tribes here 399 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,700 to play. And yeah, I had heard the same. 400 00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:50,500 Thing, you know, we saw it on social media about the woods and 401 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:55,300 quote. But to me, it's like, damn, like 402 00:20:55,300 --> 00:20:57,100 I just I'm all in on Woodson now. 403 00:20:57,100 --> 00:21:01,700 Like he has that quote, before the game, which he says to Rob, 404 00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:05,300 but then he backs it up in the most insane. 405 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:07,400 Not insane. Like Rob's playing a great game. 406 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,500 Rob has an insane first half a very good second half. 407 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,100 Even he's playing great defense. They put IV on him. 408 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:15,500 They say he had one of the best athletes in the country 409 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:19,400 defending him, and then went in the Crucible moment we're down 410 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,200 by two. Not only does Woodson. 411 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,300 Call the play for Rob. I'm calling the play for you to 412 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:29,000 win the game to go up by three. He misses the shot and he's 413 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,200 like, you know what, we're going back to you. 414 00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:34,500 I'm running like he it's one thing to say it before the game 415 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:36,800 and you can mean it. It's a whole nother thing when 416 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,000 it's nut crunching time and the game is on the line and I'm 417 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,100 going to you not once but twice, you're my guy. 418 00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:45,200 I got an All-American down there, who hasn't played most of 419 00:21:45,208 --> 00:21:47,700 the games, like I'm going to you and like you are. 420 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,400 It's done. Then I saw the video afterwards 421 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,300 where he's in the locker room. And again, like Woodson's just 422 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:54,800 so fucking cool, like just under hands the ball to him like 423 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,000 sorry. Sorry, f word like under. 424 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,400 Hey, is it? So I'm just gonna let it go. 425 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,100 Let it go. Let it stand this time. 426 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:03,000 Okay, he's like, you got your teammates, but like, you always 427 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,500 got me that you got me. And like, how do you not like 428 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,100 for the recruiter in the building last night? 429 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:11,500 Like you just sign up. Now, do you just say like, can I 430 00:22:11,508 --> 00:22:12,900 just start playing now? What I mean? 431 00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:18,300 Like, it's such a big moment and just say it's It's putting your 432 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:20,300 money where your mouth is like such good coaching. 433 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:23,200 And the thing with Woodson that I love is even in that moment. 434 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,800 He was obviously fired up leaving the game. 435 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,600 You could just see he's which is got the confidence. 436 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,000 Like I trusted you man. Like I had faith in you. 437 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,800 Like he kind of had that feel, but hey - was fun, but like, 438 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,000 let's go do it again. And the last thing I'll say I 439 00:22:35,008 --> 00:22:36,800 told you on the phone last night. 440 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,400 You've unfortunately had this Aura of you and I go to a Pacers 441 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,200 game and Oladipo blows his knee out like every where you're at. 442 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,900 Bad happened. Gator Bowl, Outback, Bowl. 443 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:46,900 Ya know. It's beautiful. 444 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,500 It's going to boil. We're getting smoked. 445 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,000 Hey, we're going to Iowa and, you know, you're getting, we're 446 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,200 getting destroyed. I'm on that too, true. 447 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,100 Yes, but you, you know, you just hammered the fittest. 448 00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:00,600 See stats for this game. Maybe you broke the curse, like, 449 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,600 maybe we are now in the alternate reality. 450 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,600 You broke the Matrix. Like let's go Galen keep 451 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,400 breaking the Matrix. If this is the results, it's one 452 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,900 of those deals where look I know I said this before. 453 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,300 I didn't take any pleasure out of pointing out the problems 454 00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:15,700 that, you know, and is back court. 455 00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:19,100 In general, is really struggled at At times but Indiana's 456 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:23,000 backcourt won the game for Indiana, and I'm so thrilled. 457 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,100 I realize, you know, when I talk on the podcast, I don't speak 458 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:31,100 out of malice. I try to give as objective of a 459 00:23:31,108 --> 00:23:34,300 Viewpoint, an analytical of a viewpoint on Indiana, basketball 460 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:35,800 or Indiana football. As I can. 461 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:39,000 There's a call it like I see it mentality and look like, people 462 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,100 don't want to agree with me on things. 463 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:42,100 I understand. I don't think you could make a 464 00:23:42,108 --> 00:23:46,800 justification for the struggles that that either Rob or, you 465 00:23:46,808 --> 00:23:49,900 know, in certain I think, I think Xavier Johnson's way over 466 00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:53,800 criticized by the IU fan base. But you know what, he was huge. 467 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,400 He was absolutely huge last night and he, I think part of 468 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,900 that mentality, that Junkyard Dog mentality is, what gets us 469 00:23:59,900 --> 00:24:02,000 him against. Sorry, like yes, the gotta get 470 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:02,600 pretty well. You're right. 471 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,500 No. No, absolutely. 472 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,700 Well, I was going to say was nothing Thrills me more as an IU 473 00:24:06,700 --> 00:24:08,900 fan. Historically been watching 474 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:13,500 players who have struggled or who have tried to fight through 475 00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:16,700 things and had difficulty figure out a way to make it happen on 476 00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:19,400 big stages. You know, whether it was Todd 477 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,100 Lindemann, having, you know, that wild end to his career 478 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:25,700 where he suddenly like became this reliable center after 479 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:28,100 basically, like two and a half three years of being like, why 480 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:29,700 is this guy on the on the roster? 481 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:34,100 You know, you saw it over and over again, I think in the night 482 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:36,200 air on way Patterson again in the NIT. 483 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,800 Yeah, let's do. I mean, those moments. 484 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,300 Are you remember them in ways that help to build out the 485 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:44,200 character of Indiana University basketball? 486 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,000 As an entity is something that you have an emotional attachment 487 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,700 for and I'm thrilled for robbing. 488 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:55,800 A, not to Rob, to me, is a kid that is obviously having 489 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,700 struggles with confidence and to watch him come through on the 490 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:03,100 biggest stage like this. And there's that great picture 491 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,800 from the Cuban Center, you know of him in the middle of all of 492 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,400 those fans. It's that's the kind of thing 493 00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:16,000 that causes a player to be remembered long after they, you 494 00:25:16,008 --> 00:25:18,600 know, take off the uniform. For the last time but they 495 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,600 become part of Indiana lore and robbed of all people, you know, 496 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,800 as someone I was I was texting with the other day about Rob you 497 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,100 here's a kid who did it the way everybody wants them to do it. 498 00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:34,100 Like he came to IU out of Purdue territory. 499 00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:36,900 He stayed for four years, whereas, you know, other players 500 00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:42,000 transferred out when you know, when Archie Miller left or 501 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,400 before that a guy who has, yes, had some struggles but stuck 502 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,600 around Round and here on the biggest stage, that we've seen 503 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,000 Indiana basketball on in quite a while, had his best game as an 504 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,900 IU player, and that is a truly special thing. 505 00:25:56,900 --> 00:26:00,000 And, and look the whole backcourt like as much as my 506 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,500 real quick. Yeah, when Robb thing that is, 507 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:05,900 you know, it's weird to think that some of, like your students 508 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:08,400 in college were like nine, ten years old, when the Kentucky 509 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,100 game happen, so they may not note to me. 510 00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:14,400 That game was still probably more significant just based on, 511 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,100 you know, the absolute depth that we were in. 512 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:19,300 It's like There was a moment there where you're like staring 513 00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:22,600 into the abyss like we're you know 1 and 30 in the Big Ten or 514 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,200 something. It's like this might never come 515 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,200 back. We got it back and there's like 516 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,000 a historical rivalry is Kentucky and there was a, you know, 517 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,800 last-second shot feel to that Kentucky game. 518 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:38,200 But you know, well Watford was there, you know, Watford, I feel 519 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,500 say like there's something about this game that's different in 520 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:44,200 like again, significantly. I think it's important. 521 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,500 Maybe not as important, Kentucky game, but there's something just 522 00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:49,000 came out, remember different. It's like, I feel like, I've 523 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,600 been so connected with finna, see his whole career, for all 524 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,100 the reasons you said, like, I feel like he's a player that 525 00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:56,000 most of the fan base. We want. 526 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,900 It's like it's almost like the tough love, but we want him to 527 00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:01,600 be this player because we see it in there and we see it. 528 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:03,700 It's just like we want to unlock it. 529 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:08,100 And as you mentioned like, you know, this is you have this 530 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:10,000 historically, where you see these players go through this 531 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,300 and like, this will always be remembered. 532 00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:13,900 Is that that fantasy game? I think there's something even 533 00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:18,500 more connective to it because I feel like most, Fans have gone 534 00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:20,900 through a journey with finna, see that, maybe they didn't go 535 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,600 through with like, Watford, you went through with that team, the 536 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,900 team that beat Kentucky, and that they had a great run after 537 00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:28,000 that. But this will always have a 538 00:27:28,008 --> 00:27:30,200 special place. I think at IU fans Hearts 539 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,500 because it's like we were with fantasy this whole ride and we 540 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:38,000 got to, you know, he got to enjoy that and God bless them. 541 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,200 And that picture is fantastic, but I feel like for all of us on 542 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,000 the team and we love the team. I really am really like this 543 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,800 team a lot, but it's like, if I could pick one player to have 544 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,800 this happen to them. Year, like, it would have been 545 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,300 robbed fantasy, and I think a lot of fans are in that boat. 546 00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:53,000 So I think that's where it's special. 547 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,500 But again, if you're putting this is why it's a seismic win 548 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,000 is like, this is transformational for all those 549 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,700 students in the building there. It's like they now have their, 550 00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:02,100 you know, their Rob gate. Yeah. 551 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:03,400 Well, they've done. They've got a game, they'll 552 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,500 remember and, yeah, I'm so happy for the students. 553 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,500 I mean, fans in general. I'm really, I'm happy for the 554 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:10,000 whole fan base. The whole fan base need this. 555 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,700 But these students in particular not just that they've watched 556 00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:15,800 Purdue beat Indiana five times in a row. 557 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,600 So a senior this year. A grad student this year would 558 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,300 have not seen Indiana having beaten Purdue if they'd stayed 559 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:26,400 through. But especially for this group of 560 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:32,300 seniors who lost the second half of their sophomore year and 561 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:35,600 pretty much all of their junior year to covid and is had 562 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,100 certainly their senior year disrupted quite a bit by it, to 563 00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:42,300 have the building full and the electric and actually have a 564 00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:46,800 happy ending to this particular game is, you know, I'm so 565 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,200 thrilled for them. So happy. 566 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,800 And that look, when we talk about some people, complain 567 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,900 about the energy and Assembly Hall, not being the same. 568 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:55,300 You know, why? Cuz there haven't been that many 569 00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:57,900 big wins in Assembly Hall in the last decade. 570 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,900 Yes, obviously 2013. There were some big ones and 571 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:04,400 you've had some speckled here and there but that is not going 572 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,900 to sustain the energy of a fan base and look you and I were 573 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:13,100 both in school in the late 90s. There were some big wins that 574 00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:15,500 happen during that time, but the energy in that building didn't 575 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:22,200 come from 95 to 89, it came from 73 to 93. 576 00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:24,900 Like that was the that was, we're kind of, we didn't realize 577 00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:28,900 it at the time, but we were kind of riding the vapors of that. 578 00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:33,000 And I felt that a lot of, a lot of the relatively medium sized, 579 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,300 Big 10 games were not the electricity, wasn't there, an 580 00:29:35,308 --> 00:29:36,600 assembly hall when you and I were going. 581 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,700 Yeah, absolutely. And so, this is the kind of 582 00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:40,600 thing, and this is the big question. 583 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,100 Like there were a couple of big wins at home for IU under Archie 584 00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:45,300 Miller, that obviously beat Michigan State that year that 585 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,400 they swept Michigan State kind of inexplicably. 586 00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:51,200 Um, the other been one or two others, but this kind of wind 587 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,100 felt different, and if you can put more of these sorts of wins 588 00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:59,800 together, it, that's that's what helps to rebuild the ferocity. 589 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,800 And the, you know, the adherence to the brand that IU basketball 590 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,400 fans from 25 30 years ago are like, well, this is, of course, 591 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,600 that's Indiana. Basketball. 592 00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:14,300 You have a whole generation to generations of fans who haven't 593 00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:17,400 had those experiences or if they've had them. 594 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,900 They've been bookended by troughs by these, by these 595 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:25,000 depths that, take, whatever Joy, they gained out of those few 596 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,300 fleeting moments out of the equation. 597 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,500 So anyway, I was going to say something earlier because I 598 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:32,300 wanted to get into the statistics, aren't a little bit 599 00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:33,400 work. You have to wrap up here 600 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,200 relatively soon. But before we get into that, 601 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,300 just a reminder that Crimson cast is brought to you in part 602 00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:44,000 by the power rank, our friend, Ed Fang uses data, and analytics 603 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,300 to let, you know what's going on in college football, college 604 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:49,000 basketball. These are free newsletter that 605 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,400 you can sign up for. There's a great March Madness 606 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,100 guy that's going to come out a bit later. 607 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,200 It's a great thing. If you're a sports fan and you 608 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,400 want to understand more about what's going on with games, 609 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,700 either just for your own edification, if you're gambling 610 00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:02,400 purposes or what have you? So check it out. 611 00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:08,000 The power rank.com /. AC again, the power rank.com /, 612 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,100 AC go check it out. Anyway, let's talk about some of 613 00:31:12,108 --> 00:31:15,300 the statistics and I mentioned the point guards, the guards in 614 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:17,500 general, but the point guards in particular, a mole. 615 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,500 Aligned group for this IU. Team were the reason Indiana won 616 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:22,800 the game. Everybody knows about Rob 617 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:28,800 fennessy 20 points in this game. And, you know, he was in 20 in 618 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:35,600 was at 26 minutes 20 points. 4 rebounds, 4 steals Xavier 619 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,900 Johnson was the only reason Indiana didn't fall down by like 620 00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:41,000 12 points. In the first couple of minutes 621 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,100 of play. He finished with 18. 622 00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:47,500 He shot a lot. I think he was 7 for 17 from the 623 00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:49,900 More. But again, four rebounds 2 624 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:55,000 assists a steel and you play the entire second half by the entire 625 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,300 second half played 32 minutes. Trey Gowdy. 626 00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:59,000 Also was the only one who didn't look tired. 627 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,300 Like at the end of like a nap. Yeah. 628 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,000 He look like he could play another half. 629 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,900 Yeah, Trey Galloway, 24 minutes, eight points, but that really 630 00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:09,200 doesn't tell the full story of Galloway. 631 00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:11,800 He had two blocks. He had two steals. 632 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,200 He was a pest, he managed to get Jane IV to commit, you know, a 633 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,200 misdemeanor on the floor. Or, I mean it was one of those 634 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,800 games where you look at Trey Galloway. 635 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,100 We talked about this a couple days ago after that, Ohio, State 636 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:25,700 game. That's like Trey Galloway 637 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:30,900 provided a spark in the Ohio State game that changed the tide 638 00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:33,000 of things here. It was a little bit different 639 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000 because Rob fennessy, provided the spark. 640 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,500 Betray Galloway was the one blowing oxygen on the fire. 641 00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:40,500 Once the spark was, was actually committed and it's ridiculous. 642 00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:43,600 I think, especially in the second half like Galloway's 643 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,900 effort on defense was was right up there and In the second half. 644 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,900 Yeah, I was fortunate because I was I moved down seats in the 645 00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:57,100 first half and so I got to watch the last 32 minutes from more or 646 00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:01,900 less the floor watching Galloway talk to his teammates and urge 647 00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:04,700 them on. You realize how important 648 00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:08,100 emotionally and mentally, he is to the makeup of this team when 649 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:13,600 those three players Johnson finna, see and Galloway are all 650 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,400 playing the way that they play last night. 651 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,400 This is a very difficult team to play. 652 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,500 Against and I it you know, I don't know if it's something 653 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:22,200 that's sustainable. We still have need to see them 654 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,900 do it. Multiple games home in a way, 655 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:29,200 but that looks really exciting for the prospects for the rest 656 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,400 of the season. When you think about how spotty 657 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,300 the guard play has been over the course of the last several years 658 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,800 paraphrasing. Something they talked about in 659 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,500 assembly call, but you know, Galloway is the player. 660 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,900 We haven't had in these Purdue games, and you think about it, 661 00:33:42,908 --> 00:33:45,100 like when you and I grew up we always had like, you know, 662 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,900 whether it was Brian Cardinal or you know, lucre It's like you 663 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:50,500 had the guy where it's like I love him on my team. 664 00:33:50,500 --> 00:33:53,000 And I know I know Purdue hates him and like vice versa. 665 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,400 Like that was always like the hey of cargo as our team. 666 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,200 Like I would have loved him and I'm sure that I would have hated 667 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,700 Luke record was the other way around. 668 00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:02,600 You know, we had the will Sheehy for a while where it's like, we 669 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,700 just I love having him. So I knew he'd Rupert. 670 00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:08,500 Drew drove, Purdue fans, crazy. Women had that guy in like six 671 00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:11,400 years and he looks like we got tree Galloway and like he's that 672 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,000 guy who just is going to drive them crazy Xavier Johnson, kind 673 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,400 of fits in that category a little bit, too. 674 00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:22,300 Like he is just he's he's up in their Grill and like it is, we 675 00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:25,500 just haven't had that edge. And those guys who do those 676 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,100 kinds of things where you need them to win games, like this to 677 00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:33,199 me the test statistic that the boggles my mind is you have 678 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:38,000 three turnovers for the team. As a whole one is a team turn 679 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,600 over the other two are traced Jackson Davis the think they 680 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,500 were bad passes. That's it. 681 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,199 Like Rob didn't see, no turnovers Avery Johnson notice, 682 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,600 nobody else. He turnovers because I would 683 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,699 have told you Galen Trace Jackson. 684 00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:53,900 Davis is going to have two turnovers for fouls, and play 11 685 00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:57,100 minutes. How you feeling my feeling good? 686 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,500 I'm feeling good. I'm good. 687 00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:03,300 Well and the fascinating thing about that, this is it's not 688 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:09,900 just a complete shocker in terms of this year's team only 3 689 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,600 turnovers, which I mean that's been the Bugaboo that and free 690 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,900 throw shooting which unfortunately wasn't great for 691 00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:18,900 Indiana in this game there, but It was the lowest turnover 692 00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:20,200 total. One of our listeners went 693 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,600 through and looked at this since 2011, for this Indiana team a 694 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,000 game. I think that they won against 695 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:32,100 Wisconsin that year, that is amazing and especially against a 696 00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:34,200 Purdue team. Now, you know, Purdue is weird 697 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,900 in that, they are the best offensive team in the country on 698 00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:38,400 most nights. Not last night. 699 00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:41,600 They're not terrible defensively, but they're only 700 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,300 about top 70, top 75 like frankly. 701 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,400 This hopefully this doesn't come back to bite me, but if you're 702 00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:51,200 Read about Purdue winning the national title or even getting 703 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,000 to the final four this year. They're going to have to become 704 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,000 a significantly better defensive team if they want to have any 705 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,000 shot because right now they they kind of resemble the Indiana 706 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,200 team from 2012 where you know, I think you know, if you look at 707 00:36:04,207 --> 00:36:07,400 Purdue's overall numbers in can pom their first and offense 708 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,500 their 70th in defense, that's not going to win a title. 709 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:17,700 But even with that, Purdue over the course of the season has As 710 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,000 done, you know, that it's not like they've done a tremendous 711 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,400 job in forcing turnovers, but their opponents are still 712 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,900 turning the ball. Over on 15% of possessions, 713 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,100 Indiana just didn't turn the ball over and it was in part 714 00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:35,500 because I think when Trace Jackson Davis went out, it was 715 00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:38,700 almost like a flip, like a switch was flipped where it's 716 00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:40,900 like, wow, we really got to take care of the basketball because 717 00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:45,200 every possession matters so much more and while Indiana didn't 718 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,300 hit all of their shots, what they You do often simply put 719 00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:52,600 them in a position where they could sustain only getting four 720 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,500 points out of Trace Jackson Davis and not have the great, 721 00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:59,400 the greatest shooting night in the history of IU basketball and 722 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,500 still figure out a way to win the game. 723 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,400 Another historical thing that I've just been thinking about 724 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,000 and look through it. You have to go back to 2013, 725 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,800 which is the number one ranked team here to find a season where 726 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,400 your this deep into the season. Where theoretically we could 727 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,500 have won every game. Game, if you look at the, you 728 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:20,200 look at our four losses, they're all games me. 729 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,300 Iowa was a 9 point spread, but we are definitely in that game. 730 00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:25,700 Every other game was a couple points, you know, what was 731 00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:29,000 double overtime like this team could be 18 and up and you think 732 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,300 about like had Galloway not gotten hurt. 733 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,900 How does that affect one of those loss of me? 734 00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:35,200 You look back just, you know, going back up the hill last 735 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,400 year. We got blown up by Texas in 736 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,700 December, you know, 20 that, you know, every two years ago. 737 00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:44,000 We got blown out by Wisconsin, early in the year, you know, in 738 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,600 nineteen, you go back, we get blown up by Duke game. 739 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,700 I think you were at You look all the way back through the Archie, 740 00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:51,600 are to the create like it's been 2013. 741 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,800 Since we've been this far into a year where there's not a game 742 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,000 where you're like we couldn't have won that game. 743 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,100 Right? And that it I think that does 744 00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,300 Bode very well. This team hasn't gotten its 745 00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:06,000 doors blown off this team as Bid And every single game and 746 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,300 they're learning how to win which you know, I know you said 747 00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:10,900 it, you feel like I stole a bit like it. 748 00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:13,400 I'll give you credit. Like, it does feel like we're on 749 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,300 the precipice of this team being able to make a slight little 750 00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:18,000 run. I mean, you got And Penn State 751 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,500 at home, Maryland on the road. You come back to home in 752 00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:22,300 Illinois. I mean, there's, you know, you 753 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,300 could win up with up to that Illinois game. 754 00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:26,900 And even after that, it's not too frightening after that 755 00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:28,100 either. Yeah. 756 00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:32,700 It's it's one of those things where in those in the span of a 757 00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:36,100 season, you're going to have games where you don't play that. 758 00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:38,000 Well, whatever. But it is, I think you really do 759 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,900 bring up a good point. Like the only game that you 760 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:44,500 would look at and say well that got away from them was Iowa and 761 00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:47,400 even that like you say is a game I think. 762 00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,700 It if this team continues to grow and we've talked about 763 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:53,400 this, maybe that's a game that if they play it in late, 764 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,800 February or early, March, they're able to figure out a way 765 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,100 to maintain what they're doing. There's a lot of basketball left 766 00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:00,800 to be played. I think you're still going to be 767 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,200 some games where this Indiana team does things where you're 768 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,900 like, oh, well, I don't what, what, what happened, but as we 769 00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:09,300 use it, that it's not like free throw shooting. 770 00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:11,400 Like there's still things that are going to trip this team up 771 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,400 as we're not going to have games. 772 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,300 We had three to run for numbers. I'll keep pointing back to this 773 00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:17,300 and it's something that I talked about on the podcast. 774 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,000 Last last time, the defense being the calling card. 775 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,500 For this team is really starting to pay dividends because if you 776 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:27,500 look at the the two games Indiana's played at home, 777 00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:32,000 against top, 25 competition against Ohio State, their 778 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,600 defensive efficiency in that game was 73.3, which is insane 779 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,100 like that. Is that as for against the top, 780 00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:41,000 25 opponent or an Ohio, State's case? 781 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000 I think they were top 15 to only allow them point. 782 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,200 Seven, three points per possession. 783 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,200 It's pretty nuts in a Good way, and now against Purdue at home, 784 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,000 the best offensive team in the country. 785 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,000 The defensive efficiency rating for that game was 82 which means 786 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,400 that produce scored about eight tenths of a point every 787 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,800 possession that they used that is the type of defensive effort. 788 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,400 Not just scheme, but effort that Indiana fans have been waiting 789 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,900 for for a long time. And while they've reached some 790 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:17,300 Pinnacles other ways defense, still speaks to the soul of the 791 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,300 The IU fan base and it's the most reliable way of going about 792 00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:21,300 things. He's going to have names like 793 00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:23,700 tonight where your best player scores for points and is in foul 794 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,700 trouble the whole time. How do you sustain, how do you 795 00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:30,600 survive? And that I think is woodsen's 796 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,000 approach to things starting to shine through with this team 797 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,600 where they realize that they can now they realize they can win as 798 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,100 we talked about without Trace Jackson. 799 00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:41,600 Davis having a good game and figure out things on offense and 800 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,200 then rely on their defense to bail them out of situations. 801 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:47,000 I think one player that really deserves special mention. 802 00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:52,300 Michael dirr who came in. Yes, played 24 minutes in this 803 00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:52,700 game. Now. 804 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:56,200 This is a Michael dirr who on the course of the Season. 805 00:40:56,300 --> 00:41:00,200 His previous high in minutes, was seven or 16 minutes against 806 00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:04,300 Louisiana Lafayette, and it wasn't just that he played that 807 00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,600 amount of minutes. He scored Four Points. 808 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,300 He had two blocks. He had two steals, but he shut 809 00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,300 down. Purdue on the interior. 810 00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:16,000 Zach. Edie was just not able to 811 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,000 operate against first, Michael dirr try. 812 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,300 The on Williams was not really able to operate against anybody, 813 00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:24,300 but especially against door was not able to do that much. 814 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:28,100 And again, I point to Mike Woodson on this where it's like 815 00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,600 and even he made a little reference to it in that post 816 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,600 game, Locker Room video that hopefully some of you have seen 817 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,100 but, you know, he's looking at dirt and he says, you know, 818 00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:38,700 great game. I know you haven't played that 819 00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:42,800 much, you know, but this is this is this is why we do this to be 820 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,000 able to sit there and come in and make a contribution. 821 00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:51,600 That is Again, you can that's a cultural thing, where a guy who 822 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,300 plays infrequently normally gets like three four minutes in the 823 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,900 first half can come in and just do a particular job. 824 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000 He didn't score a lot. He wasn't really looking for his 825 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,100 own shot. He was in there to shut down 826 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:05,600 Purdue's interior and my hats off to him and to Mike Woodson 827 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,800 for having and the whole coaching staff really for having 828 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,200 him in a position to be able to do that in the first place. 829 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:13,500 Yeah site. Yeah. 830 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:14,900 I know. We're hitting the time with her. 831 00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:15,900 The one thing. I agree. 832 00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:19,500 Every I mean, Want to T, played so good. 833 00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:22,900 Such a big win. Anyway, final thoughts on things 834 00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:24,100 before we wrap up. Scott. 835 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,800 That was awesome. I mean, like you said, hats off 836 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,200 to the entire coaching staff, hats off to see him hats off for 837 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,000 the fans. Like this was this, you know, I 838 00:42:34,008 --> 00:42:37,600 was thinking this like, this is, this is why we do this podcast. 839 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,300 This is why I've had tickets for years. 840 00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:42,800 Like you go there for experiences like this, and we 841 00:42:42,808 --> 00:42:46,500 just haven't had these for the last five, six, seven years. 842 00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:49,700 And We got one and it was fantastic. 843 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,700 I think you know, it's you're not going to be able to 844 00:42:52,707 --> 00:42:57,100 replicate that crowd on Sunday, but I think it's going to try 845 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,600 and it's going to be fun to see what we bring together. 846 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,300 Like it definitely is going to be a fun crowd on Sunday better 847 00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:06,900 than had, you know, Purdue one. And I'll tell you this last 848 00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:08,300 thing, I'll say just all over the board. 849 00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:12,000 You know, I wear my seats are I'm in a nice spot, but I can, 850 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,200 you know, the team, the opposing team comes at me in the first 851 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,300 half. It was wild to see You know, IV 852 00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:20,900 went out. Purdue didn't want any part of 853 00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:23,400 that, like, you just, they looked a little bit scared and 854 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,100 tentative. Like, they looked like a and I 855 00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:28,400 you team that I'm used to see a couple years like a team that 856 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,400 just wanted no part of that. They got, then I got it 857 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,200 together. They played well in the second 858 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,200 half, but it was, it was remarkable seeing Assembly Hall. 859 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,200 Do that to a team again? Because I haven't seen that in a 860 00:43:37,207 --> 00:43:40,000 while and I'd like it was like roles were reversed for a while. 861 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,900 But now it's great. You know, as I you fans, as hold 862 00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:46,000 our head high, we got a good, we got a good teeth. 863 00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:47,600 We got a good team. I think we're definitely We're 864 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,200 on the right track. So, you know, this is this is 865 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,100 why we do this. This is why we're all invested 866 00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,100 like this. And this is why Indiana has the 867 00:43:55,107 --> 00:43:56,600 fan base that it has. Yeah. 868 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,900 Well, we'll see. Let's take a couple days and 869 00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:02,600 just take a breather go for the team, can get their heads 870 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,400 re-centered on Michigan, who comes in over the course of the 871 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,800 next couple of days, they'll play hopefully on Sunday of this 872 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,900 weekend, but big win. Obviously, for Indiana knocking 873 00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:16,800 off produce 68-65 at home and moves the record of 14 and 4 and 874 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,000 5. And 3 on the season. 875 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,200 Anyway, thanks to you all for joining us. 876 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,400 Thanks to home field apparel. Thanks to the power Rank, and 877 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,400 thank you to the Indiana Hoosiers. 878 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,500 Men's basketball team and the women who knocked off Purdue 879 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:31,800 earlier this week as well. Just to get a really great week, 880 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,500 all things considered. We'll catch you. 881 00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:35,500 Folks on the flip side, bring back the Bison. 882 00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:36,200 So long, everybody.