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Welcome back to Crimson Cast. 

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Scott Caulfield joining you 
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It is the 22nd of October as we 
wind close to the end of this 

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month. 
We're here to talk Indiana 

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We're gonna talk some Indiana 

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basketball as well as Hoosier 
Hysteria hit and it's it's gonna

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be an interesting time as we 
talk about some some things 

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going on here. 
It hasn't been the greatest 

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weekend for IU fans of of the 
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side. 
It's kind of a mixed weekend for

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And then on football, not really
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not ideal. 
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what happened with all of that. 
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All right, Scott, good to see 
you again. 

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How was Madagascar and the 
Maldives? 

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Like how how the how was was the
cabana everything you hoped it 

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would be. 
So thank you so much for holding

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down the four. 
It was a great week. 

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Sun kissed my my blips are a 
little sunburned by three 

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straight. 
It's funny you mentioned 

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Maldives. 
We we went to Turks and Caicos 

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one of the nights we were 
discussing like, where where our

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next favorite trips would be and
my wife was like, wants to go to

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the Maldives. 
I'm like great. 

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And then I looked at the map and
I'm like, well, that's that's 

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gonna be really hard to get to. 
No, it was a great. 

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It was a great week off. 
I appreciate you holding down 

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the Fort, doing a lot of 
podcasts. 

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It's three things. 
It's funny, I was trying to 

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catch up. 
We we flew in late Friday night.

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So I've been listening to a 
couple of your Q&A S at like 1.4

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speed and I'm sitting here 
thinking now like, why is Galen 

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talking so slow? 
It's like, Oh no, because I'm 

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used to listening to like, Hyper
Speed Galen. 

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But no the the Michigan game. 
So we're flying southwest down 

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there and you know we we fly out
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I'm watching the game it's you 
know I use scores at 7 nothing 

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and then miss. 
You know I use playing great 

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defense and then it gets 7-7 and
then like you get over the the 

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ocean and it's like it just cut 
the Wi-Fi cuts out and it's like

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oh man, like what what what kind
of my friend travel with another

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family and my my buddy's like, 
hey man, I think, I think I use 

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up 21, seven to screw with me 
the whole time but it's like. 

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I kind of it cut out at the 
perfect time for me and it's 

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just we should have left it a 
time Capsule 2, two travel 

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trips. 
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down to the Caribbean, it's it's
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I love it. 
Like just one life thing. 

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Like last year by my boys at 
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They're now 10 and seven. 
We're sitting there in the 

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ocean. 
My wife's like, this is awesome.

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And she's like, we should do 
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And I'm like, we should do it 
every year. 

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Like they're only going to be 
young for so long. 

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So we we're kind of we're going 
to do the Caribbean every fall. 

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So I apologize for Crimson Case 
Craft breaks. 

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But like this year we did an 
excursion. 

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We did jet skis out to a pirate 
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And if you haven't been to the 
Caribbean, like island time and 

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kind of island it, it's such a 
real thing because we get there 

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and the guy in the, they're 
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you ever ridden the jet ski? 
I'm like, no, he's a guy, man. 

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I'm like, let's go, let's stop. 
He's like, all right, let's go. 

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It starts going, I'm like, and I
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normally you kind of thought 
we'd kind of pull out you off 

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the dock like, all right, guys, 
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You'll kind of get a little 
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It's like, no, we're just, we're
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And then he's like, give me like
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It's like, like, you all right? 
I'm like, yeah, we're OK. 

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I've never ridden one before. 
We're out in the open ocean. 

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Like, there's that. 
And then the last thing I'll say

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is just my other joke of the 
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You know, we're staying in an 
all inclusive, which is nice 

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with kids as we found. 
But my son, a 10 year old like 

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halfway of the week is like man,
I really like, you know, all 

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inclusive vacations. 
We should do more of them And 

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I'm like for for you, man. 
Everything's all inclusive, 

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going to say what is he paying 
for? 

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What's about Rushmore this 
summer? 

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I don't remember you pulling out
your wallet. 

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Like I think. 
I think, I think he's likely 

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more feeling like, wow, I don't 
have to ask dad for this extra 

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plate of food. 
I can just get it and that there

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is a freedom as a 10 year old, 
I'm sure with that. 

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No, he loved going there's like 
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And he was like, I'm going to 
take care of lunch, like I got 

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lunch and it's like, what's kind
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Like alright man, he'll get like
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he was super excited to do that 
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Was a It was a really nice trip.
Turks and Caicos is some of the 

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best beaches I've ever seen in 
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So it was it was nice. 
It was kind of fun to get away 

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from all of it and come back. 
And see that, you know things 

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are still pointing the wrong 
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So let's go. 
Well, Scott was on vacation and 

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apparently so was IU football 
this weekend as they did not 

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compete particularly well. 
Yes, go ahead. 

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I'm. 
Sorry, can I can I make one 

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Michigan comment? 
Yeah. 

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Please go ahead. 
The the the part that I saw cuz 

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I ended up not going back and 
watching the rest of the 42 

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point slaughter that Michigan 
put on, but you know they they 

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did IU did something that I'm 
kind of annoyed they haven't 

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done more of. 
And but they did. 

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It's kind of eye opening. 
Like they had that one play 

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where was a flea flicker back to
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And it's like, Oh yeah, we like 
this is an actual like, this is 

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something our offense has that a
lot of teams don't. 

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It's like we have a high level 
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And I thought like, you know, IU
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went to the NFL, like he had to 
play like that in the Super 

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Bowl. 
And whenever that happens in the

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NFL or even someone who's in 
college. 

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But Oh yeah, we didn't know you.
Antoine I know was a quarterback

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in college. 
There's always that story. 

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It's like, oh. 
It's like we have that. 

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Like, why are we not using that 
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Like we literally have 5 
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It seems like with Soresby and 
Jackson, you could put all three

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of them and Mccully out there 
and you could really mess some 

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defenses up. 
It's just. 

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It kind of annoyed me that we've
done that once and it worked. 

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I'm not saying it's going to 
work every you can't run a whole

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offensive flea flickers. 
But there is this like kind of 

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like outside the box thinking 
that you don't see out of this 

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team where it's like that's kind
of an unusual skill, that you 

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have 3D1 quarterbacks on your 
roster and you can play three of

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them at the same, at least two 
of them at the same time. 

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One's a wide receive anyway. 
Just that was my one thought 

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from the Michigan game. 
Well, clearly they did not get 

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integrated into the primary 
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And that, yeah, not a good 
weekend for IU football. 

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We talked about this beforehand.
All the the predictions from the

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computer systems said that 
Rutgers was a better team by 

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like 9 points that ended up 
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Rutgers ends up winning this 
game 31 to 14, and it was a game

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that unfortunately I kind of 
predicted in the preview podcast

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that happened on Friday where we
talked about how we've seen this

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movie before. 
We kind of saw it last year. 

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Indiana comes out, they they 
look fine in the first quarter, 

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they had that nice drive to 
start the game. 

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And and much like what happened 
in the Michigan game, Scott, it 

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was like oh wow hey, maybe this 
is Indiana's day And and even 

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you know you get into the the 
second quarter, they were able 

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to take advantage of a couple of
things and they you know they 

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look like they were going to be 
in position. 

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And then of course you know 
they're they're down. 

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They they tied up 1414 and then 
they force a stop for Rutgers. 

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It looks like they might get the
ball back and be able to drive 

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down the field. 
And then, of course, you get a 

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muffed punt on a, you know, from
Jalen Lucas, which allows 

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Rutgers to pick it up. 
They get down to the goal line 

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very quickly. 
They end up kicking a field 

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goal. 
Then they all go into halftime 

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and uninitiated IU fan would 
say, oh hey, Indiana's within 

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three at home. 
They're playing a. 

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Might be a word you use. 
They're playing one of the most 

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one-dimensional teams in college
football. 

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A Rutgers team that doesn't want
to pass and really can't pass. 

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Surely they'll make some 
adjustments and they'll figure 

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out a way to win this and 
instead the exact opposite 

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happened. 
Not only did Indiana not make, 

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maybe they did make adjustments.
And the adjustments were our 

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offense will no longer work. 
Because in the second-half 

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Indiana, you know they they they
went in 1714, they allow a 12 

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play, 75 yard touchdown drive. 
Then Indiana's offensive series 

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go three and out and punt. 10 
plays, 37 yards punt. 9 plays. 

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Turnover on downs. 14 plays, 
turnover on downs. 

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Only. 
Four drives in. 

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Four drives in the entire 
quarter. 

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Entire second-half. 
And meanwhile Rutgers, all they 

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needed was the one touchdown. 
They really all they needed was 

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the field goal that they had at 
the end of the first half. 

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But they score a touchdown. 
They score another touchdown on 

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as an 80 yard touchdown run from
Gavin Wimsat the quarterback. 

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And that was that. 
And you know, this is another 

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example of an IU team that 
didn't just fail in one phase of

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the game. 
And Scott, they didn't even fail

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in just two phases of the game. 
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three phases of the game because
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that Rutgers scored were 
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mistakes made in special teams. 
Either the blocked punt that was

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returned for the touchdown, or 
the muffed punt that ended up in

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the field goal at the end of the
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And so I don't know where you 
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because you could start anywhere
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but I'll let you have the the 
pick here. 

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It it reminds me of as a very, 
very deep cut. 

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When I lived in Houston, my 
buddy Chris had a car that would

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always fall apart. 
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in like the early 2000s, used to
joke about. 

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He had like a Mercur like XR4TI 
wire. 

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I don't remember half things in 
my life. 

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I remember that And he used to 
joke about how like all the 

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indicator lights would come on 
that car just like a total. 

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Bad car. 
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feels like here is like all the 
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even listening to your preview 
you're talking about how at the 

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time and like, oh this is so, so
funny at the time you're like 

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you know at least special teams 
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this IU team. 
It's like Oh no, that that 

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causes like you said ten of the 
points really. 

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Game switches, you know switches
the game. 

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But you look at offense like you
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the second-half, in the first 
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They had two touchdown drives, 
which was nice. 

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But then the other three drives 
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punt, 3 plays, -4 yards punt. 
So the offense wasn't great but 

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then the defense also like 
couldn't get Rutgers off the 

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you mentioned that that that run
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it's not like you know they they
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we just you know blue coverage 
of stuff and it's not like you 

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know Rutgers was just so much 
better. 

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It's just they they ground us 
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And that play was kind of just 
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up or quit. 
It's like it's almost the worst 

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of all cases. 
They just, you know, Rutgers 

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just put their will on the game 
and just ground us to a point 

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where everyone's kind of just 
beat down to a point they got an

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80 yard run out of it. 
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don't know where to start. 
It's something you mentioned a 

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little bit in the Michigan recap
that you know, you know or one 

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of your Q&A, sorry that you 
know. 

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The the problems with the 
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as the coaches have put on the 
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kind of masked the sense of the 
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I brought this up before. 
When you look at like the Pro 

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Football Focus rankings, you 
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worse every single year over the
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even in that run of 1920. 
The defense from a ranking 

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perspective. 
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the last five or six years and 
and it it feels like we don't 

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talk about that enough because 
we're focused on how bad the 

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offense is and rightfully so. 
But the defense was bad today 

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couldn't get or yesterday 
couldn't get Rutgers off the 

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field. 
The offense was anemic and you 

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know this is and then when the 
special teams makes those 

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mistakes doesn't help and this 
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One of these games where it's 
like every like I mentioned 

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every drive for each side 
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Like we got to get a stop we got
to get a score and like neither 

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neither side is able to do what 
it needs to do and then things 

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just breakdown. 
Yeah man it's not it's not good 

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and it you know I I have it you 
get to a point where it's like I

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don't you know getting to a bowl
was was going to be really tough

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this year. 
Getting to three or four wins 

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kind of feels like I you know. 
Who cares? 

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But it's like this was a very 
winnable game at home against a 

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team like Rutgers, and there's 
not a lot of other teams at 

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Rutgers level on the rest of our
schedule and we got doubled up 

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by them. 
Like, it's it's very 

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frustrating. 
Yeah, I think, you know, look, 

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this is something that, as we've
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of people have tried to make the
claim that Indiana's problems 

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for, you know, let me back up 
for a second. 

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I think the Louisville game and 
the way that that went really 

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made a lot of people feel if you
put it in combination with the 

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positives that people took out 
of the Ohio State game, People 

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really were convinced that this 
was a good team. 

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That it just run into a lot of 
unfortunate opponents. 

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And that once they got past 
those opponents that we would 

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see the good team that these 
people think that there is. 

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And realistically, I think both 
you and I didn't feel like that 

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was accurate. 
I think the numbers have 

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demonstrated that that's not 
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It's a bad football team. 
I mean, it's a, it's a team that

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does not have the ability to 
play 60 minutes in the Big 10, 

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barely had the ability to play 
60 minutes at home against 

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Akron, and in fact had to play 
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they couldn't do what they 
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When I look at this team now in 
the aftermath of losing to 

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Rutgers, not just losing to 
Rutgers, but being uncompetitive

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against Rutgers, I mean really, 
when when you're not in the game

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for the entire second-half of a 
game against Rutgers at home, 

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you're just not good. 
I I don't know what, you 

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couldn't make the argument. 
I mean, everybody that comments 

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on this team said this game 
against Rutgers is a must, must 

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win. 
You have to win this game if you

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have any aspirations. 
Yeah, of doing anything. 

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And not only did Indiana not win
Indiana after those first, you 

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know the first couple of with 
the really the first drive where

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they had that score kind of 
reverted back to the why are we 

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even here Look on the field 
defense and this is I think what

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gets me. 
It's like yes, the offense was 

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bad again. 
This was however, another game 

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where Indiana allowed thirty or 
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Big 10. 
And it's it's wild that this you

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know for for for all the talk in
the press conferences from Tom 

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Allen about how the offense is 
the problem and the the 

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switching back and forth to the 
quarterbacks, which I guess 

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we're going to have to talk 
about again this week, the 

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reality is this defense, even if
Indiana's offense scores two 

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more touchdowns double s his 
offensive output. 

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Indiana loses this game because 
this defense, which is Tom 

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Allen's calling card is no, is 
not good. 

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And and it's not just against 
Rutgers and it's wild to say, 

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well, it's not just against 
Rutgers. 

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It's also against Purdue. 
It's also against Maryland. 

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Obviously it's also against the 
big teams. 

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This defense since the beginning
of the 2021 season has been 

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awful and there's a case to be 
made that this year might be the

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worst of the three. 
It's just it's crazy to me that 

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in a game like this, like I 
think you learn. 

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You learn so much about where 
the program is, and this is not 

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breaking news for the few of you
who are still sticking around 

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and listening to us talk about 
IU football. 

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It's not news to say that this 
team isn't good. 

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But I'll go back to what I said 
in the Preview podcast, and 

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we've said it a few times 
throughout the course of this 

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season. 
I didn't think last year's team 

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was good either, but last year's
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stretch. 
This team right now doesn't 

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appear to have any of that. 
They don't appear to have any 

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confidence in the coaches. 
The game plans don't appear to 

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actually do anything to try to 
address the problems that 

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Indiana's got. 
And you know, outside of another

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opponent, like another team as 
an opponent playing just awful 

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in a game, it's hard to find in 
my mind a scenario where Indiana

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would win a game the rest of the
way. 

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If they're going to look like 
they looked against Rutgers in a

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game where they had to look 
their best because it was 

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probably their best chance of 
victory the rest of the way, I. 

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Mean how? 
What a bad side. 

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At the end of the game, 
Schiano's getting a Gatorade 

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bath on our sideline on our 
homecoming. 

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You know the thing with the 
Rutgers, think it's so golly, 

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you mentioned like Rutgers. 
It's like, do we have to start 

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saying like Michigan, Ohio 
State, Penn State and Rutgers, 

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Like those, Those games don't 
really count. 

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Like, you know? 
Not that you have to beat 

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Rutgers every single year, but 
Rutgers is a bellwether. 

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But since Tom Allen, I was 
playing around with some 

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numbers. 
Since Tom Allen has been the 

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coach at Indiana, we've gone 
four and three against Rutgers. 

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But it really is this like hard 
sea change where the wind just 

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automatically goes from, you 
know, left to right, you know, 

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So 17/18/1920, we beat Rutgers 
four times that. 

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The score of those games is 137 
to 38, so we we beat Rutgers 137

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to. 38 and four games the last 
three years, Rutgers has beaten 

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US 93 to 34. 
You know so it's like as much. 

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And we were beating Rutgers 41 
to nothing, 35 to nothing. 

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That's been weird as pounding 
Rutgers again, I'm not saying 

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you beat Rutgers every single 
year. 

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You're going to have some ups 
and downs. 

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But it it's this stark change 
were for a four year stretch is 

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like Oh yeah, we've we've gotten
out of that muck. 

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We are now better and now it's 
not like. 

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Were at the same you know 
Rutgers brought themselves to 

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our level. 
It is just completely 

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flip-flopped I mean 93 to 34 in 
a three-year span against 

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Rutgers. 
That's not good especially 

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because you know you you did a 
great statistical breakdown of 

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games after that Michigan in the
Michigan recap. 

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If you haven't listened to it 
please go there's nobody who's 

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listening to this who hasn't 
listened to that. 

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There's only five people 
listening probably at this point

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but it was great. 
But you you kind of set aside 

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the Michigan, Penn State, Ohio 
State games, which? 

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I understand why you did. 
It always drives me nuts that we

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do that because like we have to 
play those teams. 

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But anyway, you know, but it's 
like if if we're going to now 

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just get throttled by Rutgers 
and and have a 60 point point 

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disparity, it's like I. 
I don't know what we're doing 

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because you've got to be able to
compete with Rutgers and 

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Maryland. 
So that that's it's really 

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tough. 
I mean, Mike Schumann, the Daily

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Hoosier had the tweet yesterday.
3 losses in a row now to 

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Rutgers, 93 to 34. 
The margin against for Indiana. 

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If you take Rutgers, Maryland 
and Purdue over the last three 

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years, I use O and eight average
that the total margin against is

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287 to 142, which is an average 
margin of 36 to 18 against the 

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guys that should be at your 
like, that's your level. 

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Well, and I've mentioned this a 
few times, what to me is 

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especially galling, Purdue is 
kind of a separate case because 

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they're not in the division. 
And to some degree, you know, 

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they've had a similar set of 
problems to Indiana in a 

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slightly different order. 
But Rutgers was in the dumpster 

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in 2019. 
Maryland was in the dumpster in 

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2019. 
The watch Those two programs 

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exceed Indiana to the point 
where they are getting bowl 

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eligible early. 
You know Rutgers able to get 

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bowl eligible playing at 
Indiana. 

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Yeah, that. 
There's no greater illustration.

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As I said in that preview pod of
how far Indiana has fallen. 

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And the only reason they're not 
the worst program in the Big 10 

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right now is because the other 
worst program in the Big 10 had 

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to fire their coach because of a
sexual harassment investigation.

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And just they're they're out 
from under a BIOS. 

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They might be in a. 
Better and they're no and 

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they're and they're and and 
that'll be there's at least 

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like. 
OK, we're hitting the reset 

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button. 
There's a path forward. 

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Indiana's this bad and looks 
totally lost in terms of what 

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it's supposed to do and what the
answers are. 

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And I don't know if there's a 
whole lot of point in belaboring

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the statistics. 
The statistics of this game are 

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awful. 
I mean, Indiana was 2 for 11 on 

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3rd down. 
They only gained 279 yards. 

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They only gained 126 yards in 
the air. 

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Their yards per pass were 4.1 
yards per pass, which is just 

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not. 
That's not good. 

445
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,440
They they were out possessioned.
Rutgers had the bowl 37 minutes 

446
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,240
and 38 seconds. 
Indiana had it for 22 minutes 

447
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,440
and 22 seconds. 
So it and it just was there was 

448
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,920
very little to look at there 
offensively or defensively and 

449
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,840
say well that's nice. 
To see that's something that we 

450
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,680
can build on. 
You, you know, people again will

451
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,280
point back to the fact that they
had a nice drive at the start of

452
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,520
the game. 
I'll keep pointing back to, you 

453
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,400
know, unless I use defense can 
hold another team scoreless Ala 

454
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,480
Iowa. 
What happens in the first 

455
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,120
quarter with this team doesn't 
matter. 

456
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,200
Two years in a row now, Indiana 
takes an early lead against 

457
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,240
Rutgers, and then Rutgers 
outscores them the rest of the 

458
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,290
way on their way to a victory. 
And you know, we're kind of at 

459
00:23:12,290 --> 00:23:15,210
the point now, Scott, where 
we've said all of this 10 times.

460
00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:22,450
I think what's what's what's 
amazing to me is that I, you and

461
00:23:22,490 --> 00:23:27,890
and Tom Allen in particular 
there, it's clear that what 

462
00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:30,090
they're doing isn't working. 
But there doesn't seem to be an 

463
00:23:30,090 --> 00:23:32,570
acknowledgement that what 
they're doing isn't working. 

464
00:23:32,850 --> 00:23:34,490
You know, we go through this 
whole rigmarole with this 

465
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:37,050
quarterback situation, which 
everybody has been saying over 

466
00:23:37,050 --> 00:23:38,730
and over again, this is not a 
good idea. 

467
00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:40,650
Stop doing this. 
Stop. 

468
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:44,130
You know, putting us, your 
quarterbacks, in a situation 

469
00:23:44,130 --> 00:23:47,090
where they're losing confidence.
Stop putting them in a situation

470
00:23:47,330 --> 00:23:52,290
where they're not clear about 
who the leader of the team is. 

471
00:23:52,650 --> 00:23:55,930
They settle on Brock Lowry or, 
excuse me, Brandon Soresby in 

472
00:23:55,930 --> 00:23:58,770
this game. 
I'm going to say they might 

473
00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:01,370
settle on Brock Lowry next week.
It's hard to say at this point. 

474
00:24:01,530 --> 00:24:04,090
They settle on Brandon Soresby. 
Brandon Sore and I have nothing 

475
00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:06,890
against Brandon Soresby, but at 
some point the numbers have to 

476
00:24:06,890 --> 00:24:09,450
be looked at and you have to ask
yourself a question like what on

477
00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:13,810
earth is Indiana trying to do 
Brandon Soresby so far? 

478
00:24:14,490 --> 00:24:18,730
Well, I get in, in this season 
is averaging 4.7 yards per 

479
00:24:18,730 --> 00:24:20,570
attempt. 
And just to kind of put that in 

480
00:24:20,570 --> 00:24:25,530
context, Tavin Jackson, as bad 
as he was at times, is at 7.1 

481
00:24:25,530 --> 00:24:28,410
yards per attempt. 
Connor Basilak was at 5.4 yards 

482
00:24:28,410 --> 00:24:29,810
per attempt. 
Dexter Williams Who? 

483
00:24:30,270 --> 00:24:35,510
We've talked about struggled to 
complete passes was at 4.8 yards

484
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:37,470
in attempt. 
You know what you've got And 

485
00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:39,790
Brendan Soresby and this 
offense, if that's what 

486
00:24:39,910 --> 00:24:43,270
direction they're planning on 
going, is a quarterback who does

487
00:24:43,270 --> 00:24:47,510
not appear to be capable of 
consistently completing passes 

488
00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:50,390
that aren't very short. 
What you saw out of the passing 

489
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:53,910
game today was, I mean they they
went through all of this with a 

490
00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:57,070
fire and offensive coordinator. 
They hire a new permanent 

491
00:24:57,070 --> 00:24:59,430
offensive coordinator and I'm 
sorry. 

492
00:24:59,850 --> 00:25:03,410
You we were willing to give some
cushion on the Michigan game 

493
00:25:03,410 --> 00:25:06,250
because it's Michigan. 
You had a whole game. 

494
00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:08,890
You had a whole extra week 
because of the buy. 

495
00:25:09,090 --> 00:25:12,290
This is the offense you come out
with against the Rutgers defense

496
00:25:12,290 --> 00:25:14,730
that. 
I mean while they're fine it's 

497
00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:17,250
Rutgers. 
It's it's not like you're going 

498
00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:20,250
up against one of the top ten 
teams in the conference. 

499
00:25:20,890 --> 00:25:25,490
I'm just, you know, I guess to 
sum it all up, Scott. 

500
00:25:26,550 --> 00:25:28,990
There's no answers here. 
There's no direction. 

501
00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:31,390
The, you know, the the answers 
in the press conference are the 

502
00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:34,230
same things over and over again.
There's no, there's clearly no 

503
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:36,390
clue about how to address any of
this. 

504
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:41,110
And it's sad because at this 
point that means that the 

505
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:43,950
answers are just done. 
I mean there, there's what we've

506
00:25:43,950 --> 00:25:46,910
seen out of this team is what 
we're going to see out of this 

507
00:25:46,910 --> 00:25:48,900
team. 
You're more than halfway through

508
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:52,700
the season, you've just played 
one of the two or three easiest 

509
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:55,340
opponents remaining on your 
schedule and really probably one

510
00:25:55,340 --> 00:25:58,100
of the top, like the easiest 
four schools that you're going 

511
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:00,980
to play against all year. 
And your response was to go out 

512
00:26:00,980 --> 00:26:04,340
and lose 31 to 14 at home in a 
must win game. 

513
00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:08,260
You know, if if we were watching
any other program and we were 

514
00:26:08,260 --> 00:26:12,340
looking at this, we would say 
that like the battery's dead, 

515
00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:14,740
the gas tank is empty, there's 
nothing there. 

516
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,040
I mean, I think it, I mean not 
that this is news to anybody 

517
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,680
listening and we've essentially 
alluded to this the last couple 

518
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,480
of weeks, but for anybody who 
was hanging on and thinking 

519
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,720
things would get better as the 
competition level dropped, I 

520
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,400
think you got your answer. 
The the thing with the court, 

521
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,960
two things. 
One, the thing with the 

522
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,400
quarterback controversy that is 
so galling is like you know it's

523
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,920
it's it's always coach speak. 
But it's true like when you have

524
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,040
a young quarterback that they 
need to build confidence. 

525
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,770
They need time doing this 
quarterback switching with two 

526
00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:48,770
young quarterbacks who both need
that is a horrific idea. 

527
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:52,090
The other thing that you know 
you were mentioning in your 

528
00:26:52,090 --> 00:26:56,290
preview was that, you know it's 
kind of like you know why would 

529
00:26:56,290 --> 00:26:57,890
people come. 
It's kind of the the fan 

530
00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:59,370
discussion. 
But it's like it's true people 

531
00:26:59,370 --> 00:27:01,930
come out to see fun football and
winning football. 

532
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:05,250
The the thing that I don't 
understand is it'd be one thing 

533
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:07,610
and this is no knock on either 
Soresby or Jackson. 

534
00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:11,170
It'd be one thing if the over 
this course of switching it was 

535
00:27:11,170 --> 00:27:14,090
clear that Corsby was the better
quarterback. 

536
00:27:14,490 --> 00:27:16,610
It's not they. 
They both have good. 

537
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:19,850
They both have bad. 
Like nobody's you know, so much 

538
00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:22,450
better than the other. 
The thing I don't get is, you 

539
00:27:22,450 --> 00:27:24,770
know, all right. 
So if if they're kind of a tie, 

540
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:28,390
go with the guy who is the 
brother of Trace Jackson Davis 

541
00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:31,070
and just have something that's 
at least you can grab onto. 

542
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:33,270
And again like, you know, your 
job as a football coach in the 

543
00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:35,030
end is to win. 
It's not to be fun. 

544
00:27:35,030 --> 00:27:37,990
But there is something to it's 
like, hey, at least this is 

545
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:40,110
something we can sell our 
program around. 

546
00:27:40,110 --> 00:27:42,830
And just the fact that they 
don't even have that thought 

547
00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:45,910
that it's so much like just all 
it's like fine, you can be all 

548
00:27:45,910 --> 00:27:49,070
robotic, all football, you know,
but you got to win. 

549
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:50,510
Then, like that was Archie 
Miller's problem. 

550
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:52,950
I was like, fine, you can just 
suck at everything else in the 

551
00:27:53,030 --> 00:27:55,350
the marketing media department. 
But then you better win. 

552
00:27:55,550 --> 00:28:00,630
Look, I I think the key here is 
not Trace or or Tavin Jackson 

553
00:28:00,630 --> 00:28:03,550
versus Brendan Soresby. 
I know, I know, I know. 

554
00:28:03,550 --> 00:28:04,910
I think everything you said is 
right. 

555
00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:08,950
But the where I think people 
keep getting misled by the 

556
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:11,870
commentary around this program, 
it's not the quarterbacks. 

557
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:16,510
It's it's the offense. 
The offense doesn't make sense. 

558
00:28:16,990 --> 00:28:18,610
The offense, I mean. 
You. 

559
00:28:18,850 --> 00:28:19,650
You. 
You. 

560
00:28:19,650 --> 00:28:22,890
Supposedly you decided Brendan 
Soresby was your best option at 

561
00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:27,610
quarterback this week. 
He threw for 15 for 31, for 126 

562
00:28:27,610 --> 00:28:30,810
yards. 
Looked good on one drive and 

563
00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:32,850
that was it. 
Maybe two. 

564
00:28:32,850 --> 00:28:36,370
If you want to be really be 
charitable, you ran the ball a 

565
00:28:36,370 --> 00:28:37,970
bit more. 
That's good. 

566
00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:40,330
And you used Soresby to run the 
ball. 

567
00:28:40,330 --> 00:28:43,450
OK, great. 
Even if you put his total 

568
00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:46,850
offense together, running and 
passing at less than 200 yards, 

569
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:49,770
he rushed 11 carries for 49 
yards on the game. 

570
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:53,170
That's the offense is not 
adequate. 

571
00:28:53,170 --> 00:28:55,690
This is against Rutgers that 
you're doing this and you're at 

572
00:28:55,690 --> 00:28:57,770
home and this is how this is 
going. 

573
00:28:57,970 --> 00:29:01,650
It's not the and this is the I 
just the messaging is always it 

574
00:29:01,650 --> 00:29:03,890
seems like, well, these guys 
aren't executing. 

575
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:06,530
These guys aren't doing this. 
It's the plan. 

576
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:09,610
Like the the plan is the 
consistent thing and the plan is

577
00:29:09,610 --> 00:29:11,970
not working and it hasn't worked
since the start. 

578
00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:15,090
Of the 2021 season that. 
So I guess that's where I've 

579
00:29:15,090 --> 00:29:19,370
gotten tired of all of this like
all of all of the what little 

580
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:22,490
you hear out of this program you
would. 

581
00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:25,130
And if all you're doing is 
paying attention to the quotes 

582
00:29:25,450 --> 00:29:27,890
you're thinking, well, they just
got to go get better players, 

583
00:29:27,890 --> 00:29:29,690
which they do. 
But they don't have a system to 

584
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:33,890
plug them into and they're not 
attracting players that are good

585
00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:37,930
enough to overcome the system, 
which might be the key to kind 

586
00:29:37,930 --> 00:29:39,810
of understanding when success in
this. 

587
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:42,500
Program has existed versus when 
it hasn't. 

588
00:29:42,660 --> 00:29:45,580
It's just you know at this stage
what do you do? 

589
00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:48,420
Are you going to, I mean in the 
post game press conference Allen

590
00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:52,140
seemed to backtrack on the idea 
that he had named a permanent 

591
00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:54,140
starter. 
So are they going to run out 

592
00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:56,580
another starter? 
We've talked about Dexter 

593
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:59,580
Williams potentially being a 
starter at some point. 

594
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:04,380
I mean this idea that somehow 
just in. 

595
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:08,060
The part of the universe where 
IU football exists that 

596
00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:10,940
constantly changing quarterbacks
and constantly benching 

597
00:30:10,940 --> 00:30:15,140
quarterbacks is the problem or 
the solution to the problem, as 

598
00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:17,460
opposed to the system that the 
quarterbacks are in being the 

599
00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:20,020
problem. 
I don't believe that IU occupies

600
00:30:20,020 --> 00:30:22,020
its own special part of the 
football universe. 

601
00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:25,180
Like when you see this 
happening, it's almost always a 

602
00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:27,980
clear sign that there's just a 
fundamental lack of 

603
00:30:27,980 --> 00:30:30,940
understanding of what the 
problem actually is. 

604
00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:36,350
I completely agree with all of 
that and not to change the the, 

605
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:40,110
but this is the problem is then 
I mean you're 100% right. 

606
00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:41,310
I completely agree with all of 
that. 

607
00:30:41,310 --> 00:30:44,790
But then you look and it's like 
this always does feel like a bit

608
00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:47,030
of a smokescreen for the 
defense, 'cause then you look at

609
00:30:47,030 --> 00:30:51,630
Rutgers and you know Winsat 
through for 39 yards. 

610
00:30:52,110 --> 00:30:54,390
It's like when you look at the 
Rutgers stats you you used to 

611
00:30:54,390 --> 00:30:56,110
look at their numbers, you're 
like, man, they must have gotten

612
00:30:56,110 --> 00:31:00,510
crushed last night. 
It's like, no, they won by just 

613
00:31:00,510 --> 00:31:02,590
doing nothing. 
But their quarterback threw, 

614
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:05,430
made five completions. 
That was like a Dexter Williams 

615
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:07,990
type game. 
Like the the defense, not saying

616
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:10,470
they get a pass, but it's like 
there's a world where like the 

617
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:13,630
the the coaching, everyone's 
just focusing on the offense and

618
00:31:13,630 --> 00:31:15,270
it's like the defense is also 
horrible. 

619
00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:18,590
Like at some point you got to be
able to stop the run out of 

620
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:20,950
Rutgers. 
Again, Rutgers was. 

621
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:24,590
They were 39 passing guards and 
they put up 31 points. 

622
00:31:24,590 --> 00:31:27,630
Yeah, 5 for 12. 
Gavin Wim sat through the air. 

623
00:31:27,630 --> 00:31:30,750
They were never a threat. 
To pass the ball and this is the

624
00:31:30,750 --> 00:31:33,230
the thing we keep coming back 
to, or at least I keep coming 

625
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:35,790
back to. 
It's this idea that the the 

626
00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:39,630
defense rarely gets talked about
because that I I'm guessing 

627
00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:42,110
that's Tom Allen's baby. 
He was the defensive coordinator

628
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:43,910
last year and the defense was 
real bad. 

629
00:31:43,910 --> 00:31:47,550
We talked about that. 
Here it is this year and as much

630
00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:51,710
as there was some early optimism
about the defense, they couldn't

631
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:56,070
tackle, I mean that that that 89
or whatever the 70 yard run that

632
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:59,440
Wimsat had. 
For the touchdown, that was not 

633
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,240
a great blocked play. 
That was great about the tackles

634
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,360
either, right? 
I mean it was just like the the 

635
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,840
positioning was bad, the pursuit
was bad. 

636
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760
This again a lot. 
We've talked a lot about detail 

637
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,360
oriented issues with IU football
and we talked a lot about them 

638
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,920
with penalties. 
We've talked about them with 

639
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,760
special teams, which we saw with
the block punt, but it also is 

640
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,000
on the defense and. 
That that has been the big thing

641
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,760
that just frankly hasn't gotten 
enough attention. 

642
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,840
And again, I think a lot of it 
is scheme. 

643
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,280
You know, I I refuse to believe 
that this particular group of 

644
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,280
players can't play good defense,
but I think that in many cases 

645
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,760
they're being asked to do things
that don't necessarily work. 

646
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,920
The substitution patterns don't 
make a whole lot of sense. 

647
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,920
We've seen, we saw that in the 
Maryland game. 

648
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,400
We've seen that, you know, 
basically throughout there, 

649
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,520
there does not appear to be the 
kind of consistency that you 

650
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,160
need. 
In terms of the scheme, and that

651
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,560
puts the players in bad 
position. 

652
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,000
And the players themselves are 
also not executing, which isn't 

653
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,200
helping matters much. 
But again, you've got three 

654
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,080
years here where IU is 
surrendering an average of over 

655
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,200
30 points a game to not Ohio 
State, Michigan and Penn State. 

656
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160
Everybody else, the teams you 
have to be competitive against. 

657
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,920
The teams that there's no excuse
not to be competitive against, 

658
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,920
you're just not being 
competitive against them. 

659
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,920
And yesterday was just the most 
recent chapter. 

660
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,360
Do you mind if I take a step 
back and do kind of a 

661
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,080
statistical pull out if you 
don't? 

662
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,400
Mind, Knock yourself out. 
I've been playing around with 

663
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,760
this and you mentioned three 
years. 

664
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,520
I think it's a, you know, 
there's obviously a delineation 

665
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,840
in the Allen era up to 2020 and 
then now you have 2021 and 

666
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,000
beyond. 
But you know three years is a 

667
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,040
pretty large sample size. 
And so I've been kind of 

668
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,480
tracking this this year and it's
not good. 

669
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,920
But when you look at the the 
three years of Allen, 2021-2022 

670
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,800
and then this year, which is 
still, you know, being 

671
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,740
completed, I wanted to look at 
this versus the other worst 

672
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:53,100
three-year stretches of IU 
coaches. 

673
00:33:53,100 --> 00:33:57,540
So Kevin Wilson from 2011 to 
2013, Bill Lynch from 2008 to 

674
00:33:57,540 --> 00:34:00,300
2010. 
Dinardo only had us three years,

675
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:04,700
Cameron from 97 to 98 and then 
Mallory I went with 94 to 96. 

676
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:06,860
Though Mallory also had a 
stretch his first three years 

677
00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:09,659
which were not awesome. 
In that stretch. 

678
00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:14,739
Tom Allen is 8 and 23 overall 
and two and 20 in the Big 10. 

679
00:34:15,210 --> 00:34:18,969
Wilson was 10 and 26, five and 
19 in the Big 10. 

680
00:34:18,969 --> 00:34:22,090
Lynch 12 and 24, three and 21 in
the Big 10. 

681
00:34:23,489 --> 00:34:27,530
Dinardo 8 and 27, three and 21 
in the Big 10, Cameron 10 and 

682
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:31,969
23, six and 18 in the Big 10, 
and Mallory 11 and 22, four and 

683
00:34:31,969 --> 00:34:34,170
20 in the Big 10. 
A lot of numbers I threw at you,

684
00:34:34,170 --> 00:34:36,250
but here's here's the real key 
that I'm looking at. 

685
00:34:36,650 --> 00:34:41,889
What does Tom Allen have to do 
this year to be better than any 

686
00:34:41,889 --> 00:34:44,250
of those guys in that three-year
stretch? 

687
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:46,530
And so right now he's trailing 
everybody. 

688
00:34:46,530 --> 00:34:51,130
So if we lose out he has a worse
three-year stretch, then Wilson,

689
00:34:51,170 --> 00:34:54,330
then Lynch, then Dinardo, then 
Cameron, then Mallory. 

690
00:34:54,610 --> 00:34:58,410
I will throw out that Wilson. 
You know Lynch, Dinardo, Cameron

691
00:34:58,410 --> 00:35:01,850
and Mallory all got let go at 
the end of that three-year 

692
00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:04,930
stretch. 
Wilson was taking over, so he 

693
00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:07,410
was taking over a bad program 
that three-year stretch. 

694
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:11,270
What Allen has to do to get 
better than Kevin Wilson, Let's 

695
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:15,070
just focus on Big Ten wins. 
If if he wants to do better than

696
00:35:15,070 --> 00:35:17,470
Wilson, he needs four more Big 
Ten wins this year. 

697
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:20,510
That seems like a a bridge a bit
too far to be better than Bill 

698
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:23,050
Lynch. 
He has to get two more Big Ten 

699
00:35:23,050 --> 00:35:27,250
wins to be better than Dinardo, 
who's like like the nadir as you

700
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:30,970
say of the IU football era. 
He still needs two more Big Ten 

701
00:35:30,970 --> 00:35:32,570
wins. 
He gets one more Big 10 win. 

702
00:35:32,570 --> 00:35:35,010
He's tying Dinardo's three-year 
rolling average. 

703
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:37,730
This one boggles my mind to be 
better than Cameron. 

704
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:39,050
You and I lived through the 
Cameron era. 

705
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:41,050
I wouldn't say it's like, oh, 
that was that was awesome. 

706
00:35:41,050 --> 00:35:45,320
I remember tons of great games. 
He needs 5 more Big 10. 

707
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,320
He basically has to win out, 
have a better Big 10 stretch 

708
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,080
than Cameron did over three 
years and he used to have three 

709
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,800
more wins than Mallory to do 
better to, you know, Lynch had a

710
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,560
lot of, you know, bad early 
season games, but he would need 

711
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,880
Allen weed five more overall 
wins to have more overall wins 

712
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,120
than Lynch in that three-year 
period. 

713
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,000
It's just it it it kind of 
struck me as I started playing 

714
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,520
with the numbers just how much 
Allen is going to have to do to 

715
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,640
be better than any of those 
guys. 

716
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,560
And you know, I know this is one
of the Q&A S you had, you know 

717
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,720
just reading between the lines 
here, but it's like everybody 

718
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,280
else on that list was let go at 
the end of that three-year 

719
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,040
period that like there was a 
time when that was not good 

720
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,560
enough for IU football. 
And again it's still incomplete.

721
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,120
We still have Illinois, we still
have Purdue, we still have 

722
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,910
Michigan State on the schedule, 
you know. 

723
00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:35,510
But as I think we keep continue 
to keep harping on, it's like 

724
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:39,070
there's nothing that I've seen 
outside of just I hope things 

725
00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:41,630
get better and maybe Dexter 
Williams is really, really good 

726
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:44,830
coming back from an ACL injury 
really early that that tells me 

727
00:36:44,830 --> 00:36:47,630
we're going to change it. 
But it was I I started playing 

728
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:48,790
these numbers. 
I'll keep them updated 

729
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:51,310
throughout the year, but it's 
it's really it's it's really 

730
00:36:51,310 --> 00:36:53,350
pretty amazing stats when you 
look at it that way. 

731
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:56,670
It's just really depressing. 
And look, I think it's, it's 

732
00:36:56,670 --> 00:37:00,390
worth mentioning at this point, 
but it's you know in the macro, 

733
00:37:00,710 --> 00:37:03,850
it's bad in the micro. 
I'd love to just get on the 

734
00:37:03,850 --> 00:37:06,530
podcast and be able to talk 
about some kind of a positive 

735
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:09,050
with IU football. 
And it's just, I mean, I mean, 

736
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:11,690
it's hard like, where are you 
supposed to draw the positives 

737
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:16,690
out of a 3114 loss, right? 
I mean, there's a 3114 loss to 

738
00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:19,330
Rutgers at home that drops you 
to O and four in conference and 

739
00:37:19,330 --> 00:37:22,850
two and five overall. 
And frankly, you're lucky to be 

740
00:37:22,850 --> 00:37:24,970
two and five. 
You know, you should have lost 

741
00:37:24,970 --> 00:37:29,330
the Akron game. 
So look, there's not a lot else 

742
00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:31,730
to say. 
I mean, hat tip to Trent Howland

743
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:34,090
for coming in and and rushing 
for six yards of carry. 

744
00:37:34,090 --> 00:37:37,730
That was nice, you know, Soresby
did seem to run the ball fairly 

745
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:40,490
well. 
IU clearly does not know how to 

746
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:44,490
use Jalen Lucas anymore. 
Unfortunately, 5 catches for 16 

747
00:37:44,490 --> 00:37:49,130
yards in this game, probably 
because people are keying on 

748
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:52,410
him, because they realize that 
IU is going to try to get over 

749
00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:55,530
the ball and and so you know if 
they're sitting on him, they 

750
00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:59,410
don't seem to be able to make 
the throws to open things up and

751
00:37:59,970 --> 00:38:03,210
you know all the little. 
Like the straws the people have 

752
00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:05,890
clutched at to think, well, 
maybe things will get better, 

753
00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:09,930
whether it was the competition 
will get easier or hey, you 

754
00:38:09,930 --> 00:38:13,370
hired Rod Carey and you replaced
Walt Bell, who people felt 

755
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:16,010
clearly was the problem and 
that'll fix the offense. 

756
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:20,650
That hasn't worked. 
It's just at this point you just

757
00:38:20,650 --> 00:38:22,450
kind of throw your hands up and 
you're like. 

758
00:38:23,020 --> 00:38:25,700
Maybe you know. 
You know we've already had like 

759
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:27,900
the team only meeting has 
already happened and we've 

760
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:29,380
already had. 
We're going to change the way we

761
00:38:29,380 --> 00:38:32,700
practice and we've already had 
like all of the we're going to 

762
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:35,340
re evaluate everything. 
All of the all of the movie 

763
00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:38,380
tropes that you know normally 
you would use in order to get 

764
00:38:38,380 --> 00:38:41,060
your team back on the the right 
line. 

765
00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:42,980
Maybe Varsity Blues? 
They all need to go to the strip

766
00:38:42,980 --> 00:38:44,740
club or something. 
I was going to make that joke, 

767
00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:46,980
and I didn't because I I figured
you would. 

768
00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:50,740
So you're welcome. 
But yeah, I it's just. 

769
00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:54,170
I don't I I'm out of words at 
this point Scott. 

770
00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:57,250
There's only there's only that 
you can't really talk about this

771
00:38:57,250 --> 00:39:00,370
and this is where I really get I
think just really depressed on 

772
00:39:00,370 --> 00:39:01,850
it. 
You can't really talk about the 

773
00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:06,850
team without you coming across 
as not you. 

774
00:39:06,850 --> 00:39:08,810
But like us, you can't really 
talk about the team without it 

775
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:11,410
either coming across as overly 
negative or. 

776
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,860
You know, whatever. 
But we had like die hard IU fans

777
00:39:15,940 --> 00:39:19,260
tweeting about how they left the
game in the middle of the game 

778
00:39:19,260 --> 00:39:21,140
because it was just so 
unentertaining. 

779
00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:23,820
It's and it's it's. 
A couple people mentioned this 

780
00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:25,940
on our Twitter feed. 
It's not just that Indiana's 

781
00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:29,220
losing, it's that they are 
losing and they are doing it in 

782
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:32,300
the most uninteresting way 
possible and in the way that 

783
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:34,660
like sucks the most emotion out 
of the room. 

784
00:39:34,780 --> 00:39:39,380
And I think you know, for as as 
much as I don't know how many 

785
00:39:39,380 --> 00:39:43,330
people are still defending. 
Alan as a coach at this point, 

786
00:39:43,330 --> 00:39:48,490
but a lot of people's defensive.
Alan has continued to come back 

787
00:39:48,490 --> 00:39:51,330
to. 
Here's the guy that you know he 

788
00:39:51,570 --> 00:39:53,810
he's he's this is, you know, 
he's emotion based. 

789
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:57,490
There's emotion in the way that 
this team plays and they may not

790
00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:01,130
be the most talented, but you 
know that feeling of 

791
00:40:01,130 --> 00:40:04,090
togetherness and that emotion 
that that the coach helps to 

792
00:40:04,090 --> 00:40:06,730
exude, that's what's carrying 
them through. 

793
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:09,940
I mean, Alan. 
When he does get emotional on 

794
00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:12,500
the sidelines, it's like 
ridiculous, like you know when 

795
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:15,340
he get went nuts over the 
targeting penalty yesterday, 

796
00:40:15,340 --> 00:40:19,420
it's like, man, that was a 
targeting penalty and it just 

797
00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:21,660
kind of looks. 
I'm not going to say it's not 

798
00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:23,780
perfunctory, but it's just in 
the void. 

799
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:27,260
It's completely disconnected 
from the team. 

800
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:30,180
And the team at this point just 
looks beaten down. 

801
00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:34,700
And it's a shame to watch. 
And it's hard to see it getting 

802
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:36,980
better as the rest of the season
goes along. 

803
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,440
Because if you're beaten down 
this much in a loss to Rutgers 

804
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,280
at home, I don't know where 
you're going to get up and be 

805
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,400
able to effectively leverage 
emotion moving forward. 

806
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,480
And it feels like like that was 
the last thing you could point 

807
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,760
to with IU and say, well, at 
least they've got that in the 

808
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,040
bag and they don't seem to have 
that now. 

809
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:58,700
The the the really depressing 
thought and you you answer this 

810
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:01,540
in your Q&A, but I I just want 
to kind of recircle about it. 

811
00:41:01,540 --> 00:41:03,460
You know because Greg Doyle had 
the article in the Indy Star. 

812
00:41:03,460 --> 00:41:06,820
It's like you can't afford to 
you know do this for other you 

813
00:41:06,940 --> 00:41:09,580
know it's like what cost more of
the buyout or or you know 

814
00:41:09,580 --> 00:41:13,020
keeping another year and and you
know when you think about it it 

815
00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:16,020
is that that's the really 
depressing part is you know if. 

816
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,080
If we roll this in the next 
year, I don't know how much real

817
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,560
damage is actually done. 
Like the TV money is the TV 

818
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:22,960
money. 
The big 10's still going to pay 

819
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,200
us. 
You know, the gate will be down.

820
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:28,120
But I don't, you know, as you've
said many times, like nothing's 

821
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,480
unrecoverable with IU football. 
And like, there's always new 

822
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,040
bottoms, but it's like you're 
still going to get 2025 

823
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,320
thousand, 30,000 people there. 
You know, it's So it's like 

824
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,640
that's the really depressing 
part is like, you know, it's 

825
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,800
it's very easy to be like, oh 
man, you know the it's it's 

826
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,040
worse. 
You can't go through another 

827
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,280
year like this like you probably
can. 

828
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:45,440
Like you probably can do that 
and it's. 

829
00:41:46,030 --> 00:41:49,310
You know, I look at myself, you 
know, speaking for myself, Like 

830
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:51,270
we got back on, you know, Friday
night. 

831
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:54,750
We got home at like 1:00 AM You 
know, I I really kind of wanted 

832
00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:58,630
to go to the game just because 
it's, you know, it's a beautiful

833
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:59,790
day. 
It's homecoming. 

834
00:41:59,790 --> 00:42:02,270
I like the homecoming band like 
I I do, you know, I know we were

835
00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:04,230
joking that, you know, it's like
that's not why you get fans. 

836
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:06,150
But for me, it's like I kind of 
like that whole experience. 

837
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:08,310
We have nice seats. 
We have a good parking spot, you

838
00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:10,700
know, But it's like. 
And I could not rally anybody in

839
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:13,780
my family to want to go. 
It's like, all right, well, I'm 

840
00:42:13,780 --> 00:42:16,380
not just going to go to drive 
down to to watch IU lose to 

841
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:18,700
Rutgers by myself. 
So I didn't go. 

842
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:20,380
And then it's like halfway 
through the game, my wife's 

843
00:42:20,380 --> 00:42:21,340
like, aren't you happy you 
didn't go. 

844
00:42:21,340 --> 00:42:27,260
It's like and you know, and and 
this is, I mean so anyway back 

845
00:42:27,260 --> 00:42:30,740
to that question. 
It's like I I'm actually not 

846
00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:34,540
sure there is, you know, from a 
high level like I I don't know 

847
00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:37,260
there is much harm in just doing
another year of this and trying 

848
00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:38,780
to lower that that buyout 
number. 

849
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,440
Well, I mean yeah, the the, the,
the atmosphere around the 

850
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,040
program, I'm not sure it could 
tank much more than it's already

851
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,360
tanked. 
Although I think it could always

852
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,400
get worse. 
I'm angry. 

853
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,000
It's just apathetic at this 
point. 

854
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,840
That's the thing it that's the 
worst kind of of atmosphere. 

855
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,560
But you know, look, I, I think 
ultimately the problem that 

856
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,480
Indiana faces right now, I mean 
normally when you've got an 

857
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,870
embattled coach and you're on 
the fence and there's a big 

858
00:43:09,870 --> 00:43:14,110
buyout, it that's there's an 
argument that can be made. 

859
00:43:14,110 --> 00:43:16,670
Whether it's a financial 
argument that is dressed up as a

860
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:19,310
competitive argument or whether 
it's a well, we're going to give

861
00:43:19,310 --> 00:43:22,150
this guy one more year because 
we want we we think that there 

862
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:26,150
might be something going, I just
like this is not an embattled 

863
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:29,030
coach. 
I mean this is a coach that the 

864
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:34,350
program is adrift and it is at a
level of uncompetitiveness as 

865
00:43:34,350 --> 00:43:38,880
you just illustrated with your 
stats that exceeds at this point

866
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,080
any three-year stretch of any 
coach that Indiana's had since 

867
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:49,440
the first Reagan administration.
And that's not I mean you you in

868
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,200
this era I think to some degree 
IU football could be terrible 

869
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:59,280
for long stretches before and 
has and has and it just kind of 

870
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,510
blended into the background. 
I don't know that it blends into

871
00:44:02,510 --> 00:44:06,750
the background in this era And 
what it's interesting because I 

872
00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:10,190
think you know there's it's the 
big growth area with IU 

873
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:12,670
Athletics and I think that some 
to some degree you almost have 

874
00:44:12,670 --> 00:44:15,950
to think about it from the 
standpoint of yeah, you could 

875
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:19,830
just say well that's a lot of 
money and we're not going to 

876
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:23,470
make a change because we can't 
afford it financially. 

877
00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:26,630
It's, you know that $12 million 
essentially the difference 

878
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:29,560
between a firing that would 
happen at the end of this year 

879
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,000
versus one next year. 
I mean that is a significant 

880
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,120
chunk of change paid out over 
you know whatever five years or 

881
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,880
so. 
But the flip side is you know in

882
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,560
an era where as we've talked 
about television revenue and 

883
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,080
ticket revenue become more 
important, especially as you 

884
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,040
head towards the future where 
you know your your entire 

885
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,600
financial structure is entirely 
different, right. 

886
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,570
You have to start building fan 
base participation and 

887
00:44:59,570 --> 00:45:03,250
excitement about your football 
program if you're IU because it 

888
00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:07,410
is your growth potential. 
And you know that it's an 

889
00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:09,570
interesting thing because it's 
like you can look at the Ohio 

890
00:45:09,570 --> 00:45:12,530
State's and the Michigan's and 
and other schools and you can 

891
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:17,290
say well you know they they are 
clearly doing amazing things in 

892
00:45:17,290 --> 00:45:19,050
in football. 
They don't have to worry about 

893
00:45:19,050 --> 00:45:21,250
it, but they also don't have a 
tremendous amount of growth 

894
00:45:21,250 --> 00:45:22,970
potential beyond what they've 
already got. 

895
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:25,250
I mean, those brands are about 
as big as they can get in this 

896
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:27,300
era. 
And I think if if you're 

897
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:30,180
Indiana, you have to look at it 
and say, yeah, you could wait 

898
00:45:30,180 --> 00:45:34,140
another year, you know, because 
ultimately it's only irritating 

899
00:45:34,140 --> 00:45:36,500
a few people. 
But you have to start getting 

900
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:39,940
people either on board with IU 
football or back on board. 

901
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:43,060
A lot of people jumped on the 
bandwagon 4 years ago, and 

902
00:45:43,060 --> 00:45:45,740
rightfully so because there have
been that eight-year stretch of 

903
00:45:45,740 --> 00:45:49,180
success, you know? 
So I almost feel like between 

904
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:52,300
the fact that there was a taste 
of success, someone asked. 

905
00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:56,500
It wasn't an art tweet thread. 
It was in another one. 

906
00:45:56,500 --> 00:45:59,620
Someone asked like, why wasn't 
there this level of irritation 

907
00:45:59,620 --> 00:46:02,980
or anger expressed with Cameron 
or with Dinardo or with Lynch. 

908
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:06,780
But there has been this level of
irritation expressed with Alan. 

909
00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:09,740
I guess the implication being 
that things are being unfair to 

910
00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:11,340
Alan. 
And I actually think the problem

911
00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:16,860
right now is that IU football, 
even with the very moderate 

912
00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:21,930
level of success that they 
enjoyed from 2015 to 2020, and 

913
00:46:21,930 --> 00:46:24,890
really you could even go back to
2013 like that, that eight-year 

914
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:30,330
span set a different set of 
expectations in the people that 

915
00:46:30,330 --> 00:46:33,810
were following along. 
And so because you grabbed some 

916
00:46:33,810 --> 00:46:37,090
fans through that process, 
people forget, like when Cameron

917
00:46:37,330 --> 00:46:40,250
was getting ready to get fired, 
you know, at that point, Indiana

918
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:43,650
hadn't been to a bowl since 
1993. 

919
00:46:44,010 --> 00:46:48,010
You know, they so 949596, like 
they were bad for quite a while.

920
00:46:48,010 --> 00:46:51,990
Dinardo was right after that. 
Again, no bowl Lynch. 

921
00:46:52,750 --> 00:46:54,750
You know there wasn't. 
There weren't the calls for it, 

922
00:46:54,750 --> 00:46:58,990
I think, because even though IU 
had gone to the bowl game with 

923
00:46:58,990 --> 00:47:02,510
Hepner, there was still that 
feeling that was a carryover 

924
00:47:02,510 --> 00:47:07,650
from the end of the Mallory, 
Cameron and Dinardo eras that 

925
00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:08,970
this was still not a good 
football. 

926
00:47:08,970 --> 00:47:13,250
Program and and and Lynch played
exciting football and also like 

927
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:15,650
I mean that like one of the 
biggest pods we ever had was 

928
00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:16,970
when we had like a throw your 
gum at. 

929
00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:19,170
It's like he had a game at 
Michigan where like we almost 

930
00:47:19,170 --> 00:47:21,730
won at Michigan. 
Like he I'm not not here to 

931
00:47:21,730 --> 00:47:24,610
defend Lynch. 
He had really low lows, but he 

932
00:47:24,610 --> 00:47:26,810
had some incredible highs where 
like that that team would just 

933
00:47:26,810 --> 00:47:29,570
come out and stun people and 
it's like, wow, we're almost 

934
00:47:29,570 --> 00:47:32,350
beating Michigan, I mean. 
Anyway, sorry, go ahead. 

935
00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:36,670
No, but my point was really 
connected to Hepner, who Hepner 

936
00:47:36,670 --> 00:47:39,110
had a lot of goodwill built up, 
right? 

937
00:47:39,110 --> 00:47:41,550
So that was also he was really 
connected to that, Yeah. 

938
00:47:41,550 --> 00:47:46,150
So all of this I'm saying is the
reason why the atmosphere is 

939
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:49,670
different now is that Alan had 
success. 

940
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:52,950
Alan preached this idea of the T
the program breaking through and

941
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:57,660
they kind of did kind of. 
And it's it's not just that 

942
00:47:57,660 --> 00:48:01,140
Indiana's losing, it's that 
Indiana's losing with a level of

943
00:48:01,140 --> 00:48:06,220
uncompetitiveness that we 
haven't seen in a long time with

944
00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:09,140
a team that shouldn't be this 
uncompetitive. 

945
00:48:09,140 --> 00:48:14,540
Like we've seen seasons where IU
has had rosters that were just 

946
00:48:14,540 --> 00:48:18,740
filled with nothing but two 
stars and former walk ONS not be

947
00:48:18,740 --> 00:48:21,620
competitive. 
This is like a different level 

948
00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:25,380
of uncompetitive. 
It feels like a a team that just

949
00:48:25,380 --> 00:48:30,130
doesn't have a set up that 
provides them a chance at 

950
00:48:30,130 --> 00:48:34,570
victory week after week. 
And that I think is why you're 

951
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:38,850
you're getting this level of of 
pushback because there are AI 

952
00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:41,970
think a small but now vocal core
and I think it's largely younger

953
00:48:41,970 --> 00:48:45,890
fans who really do want to root 
for Indiana football. 

954
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:48,610
They weren't Indiana football to
be successful And so I think 

955
00:48:48,610 --> 00:48:50,730
that's the art. 
The counter argument to the 

956
00:48:51,010 --> 00:48:53,250
well, it doesn't hurt if you 
wait an extra year. 

957
00:48:53,530 --> 00:48:57,410
I think you know look I I don't 
think the money is ultimately 

958
00:48:58,570 --> 00:49:01,890
the issue. 
I think the it's it, there's a 

959
00:49:01,890 --> 00:49:04,810
lot of things wrapped into it. 
Certainly the money is not zero 

960
00:49:04,810 --> 00:49:10,650
issue but I think that 
ultimately IU there there's a 

961
00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:12,210
there's a philosophical battle 
here. 

962
00:49:12,210 --> 00:49:15,520
It's like, well, even though you
wouldn't want to spend the money

963
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,880
if you did make a change, I 
don't know if that can that be. 

964
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,160
Certainly, I don't think that 
that can be how you decide what 

965
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,520
you're going to do with this 
kind of a circumstance. 

966
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,560
Because every other time you see
a coach like this in this kind 

967
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,600
of a situation where there's 
just clearly no answers and the 

968
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,320
team is clearly stuck in the 
mud. 

969
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,120
And you see this across sport, 
this isn't just a college 

970
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,880
football thing. 
It is always more harmful to 

971
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,160
wait an extra year when you have
to take action immediately. 

972
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,880
Because even in an era like with
the transfer portal where you 

973
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,720
can get it a quick infusion of 
talent, the you know, the the 

974
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:56,120
level of problems that it can 
have in terms of just people's 

975
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,670
perception of your your football
program, your athletic 

976
00:50:00,670 --> 00:50:03,030
department. 
The you know that you don't want

977
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:06,430
to be on the wrong side of all 
of those things from a fan base 

978
00:50:06,430 --> 00:50:08,030
perspective. 
And I think that that's what 

979
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:11,350
makes it more complicated than 
just, well, what is the buyout 

980
00:50:11,350 --> 00:50:14,670
number in this case? 
Again, my thought was perhaps 

981
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:16,470
you were going to come out, you 
know, going to come out of this 

982
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:18,550
Rutgers game. 
Indiana was going to win the 

983
00:50:18,550 --> 00:50:21,230
game, and a lot of this was 
going to be put to bed for a 

984
00:50:21,230 --> 00:50:23,890
while. 
And instead, it's not just the 

985
00:50:23,890 --> 00:50:28,090
loss, the manner that they lose 
this game is like, wow, that 

986
00:50:28,090 --> 00:50:32,250
program is dead in the water. 
That is really hard to ignore, 

987
00:50:32,610 --> 00:50:35,570
even if it's more financially 
expedient to ignore. 

988
00:50:35,570 --> 00:50:38,090
And I guess that's the real 
conflict right now that I think 

989
00:50:38,730 --> 00:50:41,770
philosophically you've got to 
face if you're Indiana because 

990
00:50:41,770 --> 00:50:44,290
look, nobody wants to fire Tom 
Allen. 

991
00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:47,740
Nobody, you know, I mean, 
there's, there's, but you can't.

992
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:50,060
There's certain things that just
become unignorable. 

993
00:50:50,260 --> 00:50:53,140
And like what the statistics you
rattled off, the statistics 

994
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:55,660
we've talked about in terms of 
just the lack of competitiveness

995
00:50:55,660 --> 00:50:59,500
against the whole Big 10, not 
just the top of the Big 10 E at 

996
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:02,020
some point those just become 
unignorable. 

997
00:51:02,420 --> 00:51:04,580
And I don't. 
What do you do at that point? 

998
00:51:04,820 --> 00:51:07,220
Well, and you bring up a 
fairpoint and this is and then 

999
00:51:07,220 --> 00:51:09,980
we can probably move on. 
This is where this is where the 

1000
00:51:09,980 --> 00:51:13,060
football pods get really tough 
and might start getting really 

1001
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:15,910
short for us because like if. 
If the team is going to come out

1002
00:51:16,270 --> 00:51:18,990
and just be lifeless and you're 
not going to have, you know, 

1003
00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:21,950
close moral victories or not 
saying we can't do pods about 

1004
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:24,190
losses. 
But like, at some point there's 

1005
00:51:24,190 --> 00:51:26,510
only so much we can talk about. 
Like, you know, just getting 

1006
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:29,150
just kind of DOA against Rutgers
and it's like it's just going to

1007
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:31,910
continue to turn into these 
discussions about bio because 

1008
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:32,870
there's nothing else to talk 
about. 

1009
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:36,270
It's like we lost to Rutgers. 
We were not competitive anyway. 

1010
00:51:36,670 --> 00:51:40,510
As we wrap up IU football to, I 
think that's about all that 

1011
00:51:40,510 --> 00:51:43,270
there is to say about that. 
Let's talk a little bit about 

1012
00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:46,260
couple of things this weekend. 
Hoosier Hysteria happens on the 

1013
00:51:46,260 --> 00:51:50,740
men's basketball side, which was
nice to see everybody not really

1014
00:51:50,740 --> 00:51:52,220
like the Hoosier hysterias of 
old. 

1015
00:51:52,220 --> 00:51:55,020
There was no scrimmage, so we 
really didn't get a chance to 

1016
00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:58,220
see players do a whole lot. 
I mean the the big, you know, 

1017
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:01,780
spot of the night was Anthony 
Leal hitting a 60 foot shot to 

1018
00:52:01,780 --> 00:52:04,060
win one of the little games that
they had. 

1019
00:52:04,060 --> 00:52:07,740
The players playing yard and 
Garzone look really good from 

1020
00:52:07,740 --> 00:52:11,640
three you you you had some good 
experiences overall, and 

1021
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,720
certainly I think the fans 
enjoyed it, but we didn't get a 

1022
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:16,480
lot tangible out of it from a 
basketball perspective. 

1023
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:21,880
The other big news that happened
on Friday, and this was a bummer

1024
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,480
for a lot of IU fans, was the 
news that Boogie Fland the the 

1025
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,280
point guard who was down to 
Indiana, Kentucky and Alabama, 

1026
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,680
who a lot of Indiana insiders 
for a long time felt like was a 

1027
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,760
real good chance of coming to 
IU. 

1028
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,620
That noise had increased. 
Sounds like something happened 

1029
00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:41,740
at the last second where he 
decided to change over to 

1030
00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:44,220
Kentucky, so he commits to 
Kentucky. 

1031
00:52:44,220 --> 00:52:46,420
That was a bummer for a lot of 
IU fans. 

1032
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:49,580
You know, a couple things I'll 
say on that. 

1033
00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:52,100
I mean first of all there's 
there's a reason why you and I 

1034
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:56,020
don't like hop into recruiting 
that much because there are 

1035
00:52:56,020 --> 00:52:58,420
people who do that space so much
better than we do. 

1036
00:52:58,660 --> 00:53:03,580
But it was funny. 
Like Michael Ray Ohm who's one 

1037
00:53:03,580 --> 00:53:07,920
of our subscribers on sub stack 
chimed in with with kind of what

1038
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,440
I thought was a a funny comment 
because it's true, but he said 

1039
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,760
unrelated here. 
But the fland recruitment is my 

1040
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,240
first experience really 
following extremely high level 

1041
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,280
recruitment closely in the nil 
era. 

1042
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,880
And honestly it's just not that 
fun. 

1043
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,200
It's anticlimactic when a guy 
commits and when you don't get 

1044
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,120
him everybody throws the 
tantrum. 

1045
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,640
Yes. 
And and honestly, I've found 

1046
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,480
recruiting coverage even before 
the nil era to be like that. 

1047
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,480
But now it's like you, you know,
IU fans and I've never liked 

1048
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,960
this if you've listened to the 
show. 

1049
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,800
And Scott certainly knows 
because he's been doing the show

1050
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,400
with me for so long. 
I've never liked the every time 

1051
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,320
IU would lose a player, it would
be like, oh, well, you know, 

1052
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,640
Kansas dropped a bag or Kentucky
dropped a bag. 

1053
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,360
It's like everybody drops bags 
in the nil era and everybody was

1054
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,520
dropping bags before the nil 
era. 

1055
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,640
It wasn't like people were just 
going to schools because you 

1056
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,240
know they they like the 
architecture. 

1057
00:54:01,390 --> 00:54:03,230
So I've always hated that 
excuse. 

1058
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:06,630
But yeah, it's it's not fun. 
It's more like free agency than 

1059
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:10,470
it is recruiting in in this era,
which it always has been. 

1060
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:13,910
I mean the the people that argue
that it wasn't somehow before 

1061
00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:17,270
are are to me kind of missing 
the point on things. 

1062
00:54:17,790 --> 00:54:21,590
But yeah it's it's not I I don't
find a whole lot of fun of that.

1063
00:54:21,590 --> 00:54:24,190
A lot of people clearly do. 
I I am clearly in the minority 

1064
00:54:24,190 --> 00:54:26,390
on this. 
People spend hundreds of dollars

1065
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:29,930
a year subscribing to recruiting
sites and and places that follow

1066
00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:32,450
recruiting. 
So I I freely acknowledge this 

1067
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:34,730
is not an area that I'm 
interested in. 

1068
00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:39,930
But I I have a hard time with 
people who look at the boogie 

1069
00:54:39,930 --> 00:54:45,210
flan situation with him going to
Kentucky and looking at that and

1070
00:54:45,210 --> 00:54:48,930
and having it as an indictment 
of Woodson for two reasons. 

1071
00:54:48,930 --> 00:54:53,970
One, you're going to be in 
recruitments where you don't get

1072
00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:57,480
the guy, and this was a 
situation where you lost the 

1073
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,680
recruit to a program that just 
pulls in five star recruits 

1074
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,960
every year. 
I mean, this is what I read 

1075
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,720
somewhere. 
I think Jeff Barrozzello said it

1076
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:09,560
was the the Calipari. 
While he's been at Kentucky, 

1077
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,920
he's had a 5 star point guard in
every class except for two, 

1078
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,530
which is just insane. 
And they've got something 

1079
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:18,090
they've had like something like 
55 stars over the course of that

1080
00:55:18,090 --> 00:55:19,930
14 years or whatever that he's 
been there. 

1081
00:55:19,930 --> 00:55:23,930
So look, you're you're going to 
lose guys in those situations 

1082
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:26,930
and the fact you're in the final
two essentially in that 

1083
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:29,570
decision, that's a good thing. 
You're, you know, you're going 

1084
00:55:29,570 --> 00:55:31,290
to lose a few of those. 
You're not going to win 

1085
00:55:31,290 --> 00:55:34,610
everyone. 
And the other thing I'll say on 

1086
00:55:34,610 --> 00:55:38,730
this, people have been 
criticizing Woodson and IU for 

1087
00:55:38,730 --> 00:55:42,770
zeroing in too much on a 5 star 
and not having a backup, which I

1088
00:55:42,770 --> 00:55:46,210
think is weird because these are
generally the same people who 

1089
00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:49,730
then complain about how the 
players Indiana has recruited 

1090
00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:52,810
aren't good enough. 
So it's like, OK, so they went 

1091
00:55:52,810 --> 00:55:55,490
for the five star and they they 
didn't get the five star. 

1092
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:59,730
They've demonstrated an ability 
to go get guys in the portal or 

1093
00:56:00,250 --> 00:56:03,610
in D commitments that happened 
in March and April. 

1094
00:56:04,090 --> 00:56:07,970
And you're worried about them 
not pulling in a lesser player 

1095
00:56:07,970 --> 00:56:10,850
in this cycle who you would 
almost certainly just complain 

1096
00:56:10,850 --> 00:56:13,410
about down the road as being 
inadequate. 

1097
00:56:14,170 --> 00:56:17,090
So I feel like there's, you 
know, you're kind of damned if 

1098
00:56:17,090 --> 00:56:20,250
you do, damned if you don't. 
The idea, to me at least, that 

1099
00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:25,330
Indiana's in these mixes and is 
being seriously considered by 

1100
00:56:25,330 --> 00:56:29,850
these players is a good thing. 
It's not as important as what 

1101
00:56:29,850 --> 00:56:32,170
actually happens on the floor, 
and that's why we don't talk 

1102
00:56:32,170 --> 00:56:33,730
about the recruiting stuff that 
much. 

1103
00:56:33,730 --> 00:56:36,370
But you know, it would have been
great to have gotten another 

1104
00:56:36,370 --> 00:56:39,970
five star in this class. 
They may still do that as 

1105
00:56:39,970 --> 00:56:41,850
there's another commitment 
coming down the Pike that 

1106
00:56:41,850 --> 00:56:45,290
Indiana's in the midst of. 
But the fact they've gotten a 5 

1107
00:56:45,290 --> 00:56:47,930
star in the class is a really 
good start, and we'll see what 

1108
00:56:47,930 --> 00:56:51,210
happens with everything else. 
And the entire landscape's so 

1109
00:56:51,210 --> 00:56:53,490
different now that I have a hard
time getting really torqued out 

1110
00:56:53,490 --> 00:56:57,010
about this one way or the other.
Agree with all of that. 

1111
00:56:57,010 --> 00:56:59,210
As you know, I I don't really 
care about anybody until they 

1112
00:56:59,210 --> 00:57:01,810
put on an Indiana jersey and 
actually play with an Indiana 

1113
00:57:01,810 --> 00:57:03,650
jersey. 
I mean, the last time I dipped 

1114
00:57:03,650 --> 00:57:07,090
my toe into this a little bit 
was, I think it was like Romeo 

1115
00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:10,090
Langford and Darius Garland were
both looking at IU and I I kind 

1116
00:57:10,090 --> 00:57:12,730
of started digging into Darius 
Garland a little bit and then. 

1117
00:57:13,220 --> 00:57:14,860
He doesn't sign here. 
He goes to Vanderbilt. 

1118
00:57:14,860 --> 00:57:17,660
I remember thinking like, wow, I
just basically did a whole bunch

1119
00:57:17,660 --> 00:57:20,180
of research on Vanderbilt's 
point guard, like a team that 

1120
00:57:20,180 --> 00:57:21,660
we're not going to play. 
It's like that. 

1121
00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:25,260
That's the thing that's wild to 
me about recruiting is you're 

1122
00:57:25,260 --> 00:57:27,060
doing or getting it. 
Getting deep into this 

1123
00:57:27,060 --> 00:57:28,500
recruiting. 
It's like, hey, you're you're 

1124
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:32,060
kind of putting your hopes on 
the whims of a 17 year old. 

1125
00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:35,180
My wife teaches high school and 
it's like, they are interesting 

1126
00:57:35,180 --> 00:57:36,420
characters. 
If you don't remember high 

1127
00:57:36,420 --> 00:57:37,980
school kids when you're in high 
school, it's like you're putting

1128
00:57:37,980 --> 00:57:39,260
a lot of your hopes on that. 
And it's like. 

1129
00:57:39,980 --> 00:57:41,900
Some of the times you're not 
going to get them and then you 

1130
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:44,020
just did a whole bunch of 
research on Kentucky's point 

1131
00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:46,380
guard like hope you have fun 
with that, like which I don't 

1132
00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:48,420
really care about. 
You know the other thing that I 

1133
00:57:48,420 --> 00:57:51,340
will say it's not Pollyanna, 
it's just like oh hey, just 

1134
00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:52,860
because we're in the in the 
running is good. 

1135
00:57:52,860 --> 00:57:55,460
It's like there is a process to 
these things. 

1136
00:57:55,460 --> 00:57:58,260
You're not just going to not be 
recruiting 5 stars and all of a 

1137
00:57:58,260 --> 00:58:00,580
sudden hey we're going to get 
four or five stars a year. 

1138
00:58:00,580 --> 00:58:02,540
Like it just it just does not 
work that way. 

1139
00:58:02,540 --> 00:58:06,940
I look at similarly to our non 
conference scheduling, you know 

1140
00:58:06,940 --> 00:58:08,340
we're we're going to play in 
Atlantis. 

1141
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:10,550
I don't expect us to win the 
Atlantis tournament. 

1142
00:58:10,550 --> 00:58:12,350
I don't expect us to win the 
tournament in New York this 

1143
00:58:12,350 --> 00:58:14,470
year. 
It's like now I expect us in a 

1144
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:16,750
couple of years to start winning
those tournaments. 

1145
00:58:16,750 --> 00:58:18,950
I'd like that. 
But it's like you can't just go 

1146
00:58:19,150 --> 00:58:22,270
from playing the Crossroads 
Classic to then playing in the 

1147
00:58:22,270 --> 00:58:24,950
battle for Atlantis and be like,
hey, why didn't we win that? 

1148
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:27,870
It's like, well, because if 
there's a process like you're 

1149
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:29,990
you're playing, you know, this 
year you're playing UConn, 

1150
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:31,350
they're the defending national 
champions. 

1151
00:58:31,350 --> 00:58:33,990
Like it's going to take some 
time in the same thing to me as 

1152
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:37,240
recruiting like. 
You, you can't just go from zero

1153
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,480
to, hey, we're going to beat 
Kentucky out of every single 

1154
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,200
five star recruits. 
It's like that just doesn't 

1155
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,840
happen. 
There is a process to this, and 

1156
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,640
to me, Woodson is showing that 
process and, you know, am I 

1157
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:48,960
giving him some benefit of the 
doubt? 

1158
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:49,760
Yes. 
You know, but it's. 

1159
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,840
I don't think it's naivete. 
I don't think it's just saying, 

1160
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,360
you know, oh, he's doing a great
job. 

1161
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,600
It's like, you know, he did land
Liam Mcneely who could be really

1162
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,240
good, Boogie Flanders could be a
boss. 

1163
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,240
Like we don't know boogie, 
Boogie fland not boogie. 

1164
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:03,920
Who cares? 
Like he. 

1165
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,600
He's, He's. 
You know, who cares? 

1166
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,440
This is this is the distant 
basketball playing cousin of the

1167
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,160
family and The Simpsons. 
Like, what? 

1168
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,920
Oh man. 
Could be nothing. 

1169
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,440
Nothing far. 
Once. 

1170
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,760
Once you think about it that 
way, losing that recruit doesn't

1171
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,440
make doesn't hurt nearly as 
much. 

1172
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,600
Yeah, I mean, those kids don't 
look athletic at all. 

1173
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,440
I think Bart Simpson way more 
than than one of the Finder 

1174
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:27,360
kids. 
Oh, God. 

1175
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,940
OK. 
We have another five star on the

1176
00:59:30,020 --> 00:59:32,700
pocket like that. 
That's how I look at this is 

1177
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:36,580
look, I that's the thing, it's 
the equation is so different 

1178
00:59:36,580 --> 00:59:37,740
now. 
I mean a little bit of a great 

1179
00:59:37,740 --> 00:59:39,340
player to get. 
You're in the final two, you 

1180
00:59:39,340 --> 00:59:42,540
don't get the player fine. 
And look I think to be clear it 

1181
00:59:42,540 --> 00:59:46,900
was a very small minority of 
people complaining about it and 

1182
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:50,260
look I mean you know Woodson and
staff have to find some 

1183
00:59:50,260 --> 00:59:51,940
solutions at guard moving 
forward. 

1184
00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:54,300
We knew that already. 
And hey, guess what? 

1185
00:59:54,730 --> 00:59:56,610
They've demonstrated that they 
can pull people out of the 

1186
00:59:56,610 --> 00:59:57,890
portal. 
They've demonstrated that they 

1187
00:59:57,890 --> 01:00:01,130
can pull people out of 
decommitments from elsewhere 

1188
01:00:01,130 --> 01:00:03,370
when coaches get fired, which 
happens every single year. 

1189
01:00:03,370 --> 01:00:04,770
So I'm just not too concerned 
about it. 

1190
01:00:04,770 --> 01:00:05,810
There's. 
A whole other window, like 

1191
01:00:05,810 --> 01:00:07,850
there's a window after the 
season where you can get guys 

1192
01:00:08,170 --> 01:00:10,890
for next year that wasn't there 
four, 5-6 years ago. 

1193
01:00:11,650 --> 01:00:14,690
So anyway, IU basketball will 
be. 

1194
01:00:15,970 --> 01:00:20,370
Coming up here very soon there's
a the men's exhibition game. 

1195
01:00:20,370 --> 01:00:23,650
The first one is actually a week
from today as Indiana going to 

1196
01:00:23,650 --> 01:00:27,130
take on the University of 
Indianapolis at 1:00. 

1197
01:00:27,130 --> 01:00:29,730
So that'll be fun. 
We'll we'll look forward to to 

1198
01:00:29,730 --> 01:00:32,290
that coming up and seeing what 
happens with Yeah right man. 

1199
01:00:32,370 --> 01:00:35,690
I have a lot of preview podcast 
coming up with some some some 

1200
01:00:35,690 --> 01:00:37,330
fun. 
Yes, I've done some I've done 

1201
01:00:37,330 --> 01:00:39,810
some work while I was away. 
I'm coming back in hot and ready

1202
01:00:39,810 --> 01:00:41,330
to go. 
I'm excited to hear that. 

1203
01:00:41,330 --> 01:00:42,890
All right. 
We're going to go ahead and wrap

1204
01:00:42,890 --> 01:00:44,970
up for today. 
Scott, anything else from you? 

1205
01:00:45,540 --> 01:00:46,900
No, I think. 
I think we are good. 

1206
01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:49,660
We hit it all. 
Yeah, I'm ready for. 

1207
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:52,300
I'm ready for basketball as. 
Yeah. 

1208
01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:55,980
Well, I am too at this point. 
All right, that'll wrap it up. 

1209
01:00:55,980 --> 01:00:58,820
Thanks to the back Home network.
Thanks to our friends at home 

1210
01:00:58,820 --> 01:01:00,340
field apparel representing 
sponsor. 

1211
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:02,220
Thanks to all you folks for 
listening in. 

1212
01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:06,860
We'll have more material coming 
at you later on this week as IU 

1213
01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:09,060
men's and women's basketball 
both get started with their 

1214
01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:10,870
seasons. 
For Scott, I'm Galen. 

1215
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:12,710
This is Crimson Cast. 
Thanks for joining us, folks. 

1216
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:14,470
We'll catch you on the flip 
side. 

1217
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:15,950
Bring back the Bison. 
So long, everybody.