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All right, Scott, good to see you again.
How was Madagascar and the Maldives?
Like how how the how was was the cabana everything you hoped it
would be. So thank you so much for holding
down the four. It was a great week.
Sun kissed my my blips are a little sunburned by three
straight. It's funny you mentioned
Maldives. We we went to Turks and Caicos
one of the nights we were discussing like, where where our
next favorite trips would be and my wife was like, wants to go to
the Maldives. I'm like great.
And then I looked at the map and I'm like, well, that's that's
gonna be really hard to get to. No, it was a great.
It was a great week off. I appreciate you holding down
the Fort, doing a lot of podcasts.
It's three things. It's funny, I was trying to
catch up. We we flew in late Friday night.
So I've been listening to a couple of your Q&A S at like 1.4
speed and I'm sitting here thinking now like, why is Galen
talking so slow? It's like, Oh no, because I'm
used to listening to like, Hyper Speed Galen.
But no the the Michigan game. So we're flying southwest down
there and you know we we fly out of Fort Lauderdale.
I'm watching the game it's you know I use scores at 7 nothing
and then miss. You know I use playing great
defense and then it gets 7-7 and then like you get over the the
ocean and it's like it just cut the Wi-Fi cuts out and it's like
oh man, like what what what kind of my friend travel with another
family and my my buddy's like, hey man, I think, I think I use
up 21, seven to screw with me the whole time but it's like.
I kind of it cut out at the perfect time for me and it's
just we should have left it a time Capsule 2, two travel
trips. So like, if you haven't been
down to the Caribbean, it's it's fantastic.
I love it. Like just one life thing.
Like last year by my boys at that time were nine and six.
They're now 10 and seven. We're sitting there in the
ocean. My wife's like, this is awesome.
And she's like, we should do this every couple years.
And I'm like, we should do it every year.
Like they're only going to be young for so long.
So we we're kind of we're going to do the Caribbean every fall.
So I apologize for Crimson Case Craft breaks.
But like this year we did an excursion.
We did jet skis out to a pirate ship, me and my oldest son.
And if you haven't been to the Caribbean, like island time and
kind of island it, it's such a real thing because we get there
and the guy in the, they're super nice with the guys like
you ever ridden the jet ski? I'm like, no, he's a guy, man.
I'm like, let's go, let's stop. He's like, all right, let's go.
It starts going, I'm like, and I thought, like, you know,
normally you kind of thought we'd kind of pull out you off
the dock like, all right, guys, well, here's a safety deal.
You'll kind of get a little spiel.
It's like, no, we're just, we're going.
And then he's like, give me like a speed up sign.
It's like, like, you all right? I'm like, yeah, we're OK.
I've never ridden one before. We're out in the open ocean.
Like, there's that. And then the last thing I'll say
is just my other joke of the week was.
You know, we're staying in an all inclusive, which is nice
with kids as we found. But my son, a 10 year old like
halfway of the week is like man, I really like, you know, all
inclusive vacations. We should do more of them And
I'm like for for you, man. Everything's all inclusive,
going to say what is he paying for?
What's about Rushmore this summer?
I don't remember you pulling out your wallet.
Like I think. I think, I think he's likely
more feeling like, wow, I don't have to ask dad for this extra
plate of food. I can just get it and that there
is a freedom as a 10 year old, I'm sure with that.
No, he loved going there's like a pizza shack.
And he was like, I'm going to take care of lunch, like I got
lunch and it's like, what's kind of nice?
Like alright man, he'll get like a 40 minute wait And he's like
he was super excited to do that and so it.
Was a It was a really nice trip. Turks and Caicos is some of the
best beaches I've ever seen in my life.
So it was it was nice. It was kind of fun to get away
from all of it and come back. And see that, you know things
are still pointing the wrong direction of football.
So let's go. Well, Scott was on vacation and
apparently so was IU football this weekend as they did not
compete particularly well. Yes, go ahead.
I'm. Sorry, can I can I make one
Michigan comment? Yeah.
Please go ahead. The the the part that I saw cuz
I ended up not going back and watching the rest of the 42
point slaughter that Michigan put on, but you know they they
did IU did something that I'm kind of annoyed they haven't
done more of. And but they did.
It's kind of eye opening. Like they had that one play
where was a flea flicker back to Mccully who then passed it.
And it's like, Oh yeah, we like this is an actual like, this is
something our offense has that a lot of teams don't.
It's like we have a high level quarterback as wide receiver.
And I thought like, you know, IU related when Antoine Randall L
went to the NFL, like he had to play like that in the Super
Bowl. And whenever that happens in the
NFL or even someone who's in college.
But Oh yeah, we didn't know you. Antoine I know was a quarterback
in college. There's always that story.
It's like, oh. It's like we have that.
Like, why are we not using that more?
Like we literally have 5 quarterbacks on our roster.
It seems like with Soresby and Jackson, you could put all three
of them and Mccully out there and you could really mess some
defenses up. It's just.
It kind of annoyed me that we've done that once and it worked.
I'm not saying it's going to work every you can't run a whole
offensive flea flickers. But there is this like kind of
like outside the box thinking that you don't see out of this
team where it's like that's kind of an unusual skill, that you
have 3D1 quarterbacks on your roster and you can play three of
them at the same, at least two of them at the same time.
One's a wide receive anyway. Just that was my one thought
from the Michigan game. Well, clearly they did not get
integrated into the primary portion of the offense, right?
And that, yeah, not a good weekend for IU football.
We talked about this beforehand. All the the predictions from the
computer systems said that Rutgers was a better team by
like 9 points that ended up being conservative.
Rutgers ends up winning this game 31 to 14, and it was a game
that unfortunately I kind of predicted in the preview podcast
that happened on Friday where we talked about how we've seen this
movie before. We kind of saw it last year.
Indiana comes out, they they look fine in the first quarter,
they had that nice drive to start the game.
And and much like what happened in the Michigan game, Scott, it
was like oh wow hey, maybe this is Indiana's day And and even
you know you get into the the second quarter, they were able
to take advantage of a couple of things and they you know they
look like they were going to be in position.
And then of course you know they're they're down.
They they tied up 1414 and then they force a stop for Rutgers.
It looks like they might get the ball back and be able to drive
down the field. And then, of course, you get a
muffed punt on a, you know, from Jalen Lucas, which allows
Rutgers to pick it up. They get down to the goal line
very quickly. They end up kicking a field
goal. Then they all go into halftime
and uninitiated IU fan would say, oh hey, Indiana's within
three at home. They're playing a.
Might be a word you use. They're playing one of the most
one-dimensional teams in college football.
A Rutgers team that doesn't want to pass and really can't pass.
Surely they'll make some adjustments and they'll figure
out a way to win this and instead the exact opposite
happened. Not only did Indiana not make,
maybe they did make adjustments. And the adjustments were our
offense will no longer work. Because in the second-half
Indiana, you know they they they went in 1714, they allow a 12
play, 75 yard touchdown drive. Then Indiana's offensive series
go three and out and punt. 10 plays, 37 yards punt. 9 plays.
Turnover on downs. 14 plays, turnover on downs.
Only. Four drives in.
Four drives in the entire quarter.
Entire second-half. And meanwhile Rutgers, all they
needed was the one touchdown. They really all they needed was
the field goal that they had at the end of the first half.
But they score a touchdown. They score another touchdown on
as an 80 yard touchdown run from Gavin Wimsat the quarterback.
And that was that. And you know, this is another
example of an IU team that didn't just fail in one phase of
the game. And Scott, they didn't even fail
in just two phases of the game. They actually failed in all
three phases of the game because ten of the points in this game
that Rutgers scored were directly attributable to
mistakes made in special teams. Either the blocked punt that was
returned for the touchdown, or the muffed punt that ended up in
the field goal at the end of the first half.
And so I don't know where you want to start with this game
because you could start anywhere and it would be equally valid,
but I'll let you have the the pick here.
It it reminds me of as a very, very deep cut.
When I lived in Houston, my buddy Chris had a car that would
always fall apart. But Jim Rome back in that time
in like the early 2000s, used to joke about.
He had like a Mercur like XR4TI wire.
I don't remember half things in my life.
I remember that And he used to joke about how like all the
indicator lights would come on that car just like a total.
Bad car. It's like that's that's what it
feels like here is like all the indicator lights are on because
even listening to your preview you're talking about how at the
time and like, oh this is so, so funny at the time you're like
you know at least special teams has been relatively solid for
this IU team. It's like Oh no, that that
causes like you said ten of the points really.
Game switches, you know switches the game.
But you look at offense like you mentioned, the four drives in
the second-half, in the first half.
They had two touchdown drives, which was nice.
But then the other three drives were five plays punt, 3 plays
punt, 3 plays, -4 yards punt. So the offense wasn't great but
then the defense also like couldn't get Rutgers off the
field. And really the the saddest part
you mentioned that that that run by the Rutgers quarterback, it's
it's not like you know they they had these breakout plays where
we just you know blue coverage of stuff and it's not like you
know Rutgers was just so much better.
It's just they they ground us down.
And that play was kind of just like and it wasn't like IU gave
up or quit. It's like it's almost the worst
of all cases. They just, you know, Rutgers
just put their will on the game and just ground us to a point
where everyone's kind of just beat down to a point they got an
80 yard run out of it. And so, yeah, I mean it's, I
don't know where to start. It's something you mentioned a
little bit in the Michigan recap that you know, you know or one
of your Q&A, sorry that you know.
The the problems with the offense and as much deflection
as the coaches have put on the offense, the quarterback has
kind of masked the sense of the the defense has been really bad.
I brought this up before. When you look at like the Pro
Football Focus rankings, you know the the defense has gotten
worse every single year over the last four or five years, even
even in that run of 1920. The defense from a ranking
perspective. Has gotten worse every year for
the last five or six years and and it it feels like we don't
talk about that enough because we're focused on how bad the
offense is and rightfully so. But the defense was bad today
couldn't get or yesterday couldn't get Rutgers off the
field. The offense was anemic and you
know this is and then when the special teams makes those
mistakes doesn't help and this becomes that death spiral.
One of these games where it's like every like I mentioned
every drive for each side becomes a huge drive.
Like we got to get a stop we got to get a score and like neither
neither side is able to do what it needs to do and then things
just breakdown. Yeah man it's not it's not good
and it you know I I have it you get to a point where it's like I
don't you know getting to a bowl was was going to be really tough
this year. Getting to three or four wins
kind of feels like I you know. Who cares?
But it's like this was a very winnable game at home against a
team like Rutgers, and there's not a lot of other teams at
Rutgers level on the rest of our schedule and we got doubled up
by them. Like, it's it's very
frustrating. Yeah, I think, you know, look,
this is something that, as we've talked about this season, a lot
of people have tried to make the claim that Indiana's problems
for, you know, let me back up for a second.
I think the Louisville game and the way that that went really
made a lot of people feel if you put it in combination with the
positives that people took out of the Ohio State game, People
really were convinced that this was a good team.
That it just run into a lot of unfortunate opponents.
And that once they got past those opponents that we would
see the good team that these people think that there is.
And realistically, I think both you and I didn't feel like that
was accurate. I think the numbers have
demonstrated that that's not accurate.
It's a bad football team. I mean, it's a, it's a team that
does not have the ability to play 60 minutes in the Big 10,
barely had the ability to play 60 minutes at home against
Akron, and in fact had to play more than 60 minutes because
they couldn't do what they needed to do in 60 minutes.
When I look at this team now in the aftermath of losing to
Rutgers, not just losing to Rutgers, but being uncompetitive
against Rutgers, I mean really, when when you're not in the game
for the entire second-half of a game against Rutgers at home,
you're just not good. I I don't know what, you
couldn't make the argument. I mean, everybody that comments
on this team said this game against Rutgers is a must, must
win. You have to win this game if you
have any aspirations. Yeah, of doing anything.
And not only did Indiana not win Indiana after those first, you
know the first couple of with the really the first drive where
they had that score kind of reverted back to the why are we
even here Look on the field defense and this is I think what
gets me. It's like yes, the offense was
bad again. This was however, another game
where Indiana allowed thirty or more points on defense in the
Big 10. And it's it's wild that this you
know for for for all the talk in the press conferences from Tom
Allen about how the offense is the problem and the the
switching back and forth to the quarterbacks, which I guess
we're going to have to talk about again this week, the
reality is this defense, even if Indiana's offense scores two
more touchdowns double s his offensive output.
Indiana loses this game because this defense, which is Tom
Allen's calling card is no, is not good.
And and it's not just against Rutgers and it's wild to say,
well, it's not just against Rutgers.
It's also against Purdue. It's also against Maryland.
Obviously it's also against the big teams.
This defense since the beginning of the 2021 season has been
awful and there's a case to be made that this year might be the
worst of the three. It's just it's crazy to me that
in a game like this, like I think you learn.
You learn so much about where the program is, and this is not
breaking news for the few of you who are still sticking around
and listening to us talk about IU football.
It's not news to say that this team isn't good.
But I'll go back to what I said in the Preview podcast, and
we've said it a few times throughout the course of this
season. I didn't think last year's team
was good either, but last year's team showed some fight down the
stretch. This team right now doesn't
appear to have any of that. They don't appear to have any
confidence in the coaches. The game plans don't appear to
actually do anything to try to address the problems that
Indiana's got. And you know, outside of another
opponent, like another team as an opponent playing just awful
in a game, it's hard to find in my mind a scenario where Indiana
would win a game the rest of the way.
If they're going to look like they looked against Rutgers in a
game where they had to look their best because it was
probably their best chance of victory the rest of the way, I.
Mean how? What a bad side.
At the end of the game, Schiano's getting a Gatorade
bath on our sideline on our homecoming.
You know the thing with the Rutgers, think it's so golly,
you mentioned like Rutgers. It's like, do we have to start
saying like Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State and Rutgers,
Like those, Those games don't really count.
Like, you know? Not that you have to beat
Rutgers every single year, but Rutgers is a bellwether.
But since Tom Allen, I was playing around with some
numbers. Since Tom Allen has been the
coach at Indiana, we've gone four and three against Rutgers.
But it really is this like hard sea change where the wind just
automatically goes from, you know, left to right, you know,
So 17/18/1920, we beat Rutgers four times that.
The score of those games is 137 to 38, so we we beat Rutgers 137
to. 38 and four games the last three years, Rutgers has beaten
US 93 to 34. You know so it's like as much.
And we were beating Rutgers 41 to nothing, 35 to nothing.
That's been weird as pounding Rutgers again, I'm not saying
you beat Rutgers every single year.
You're going to have some ups and downs.
But it it's this stark change were for a four year stretch is
like Oh yeah, we've we've gotten out of that muck.
We are now better and now it's not like.
Were at the same you know Rutgers brought themselves to
our level. It is just completely
flip-flopped I mean 93 to 34 in a three-year span against
Rutgers. That's not good especially
because you know you you did a great statistical breakdown of
games after that Michigan in the Michigan recap.
If you haven't listened to it please go there's nobody who's
listening to this who hasn't listened to that.
There's only five people listening probably at this point
but it was great. But you you kind of set aside
the Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State games, which?
I understand why you did. It always drives me nuts that we
do that because like we have to play those teams.
But anyway, you know, but it's like if if we're going to now
just get throttled by Rutgers and and have a 60 point point
disparity, it's like I. I don't know what we're doing
because you've got to be able to compete with Rutgers and
Maryland. So that that's it's really
tough. I mean, Mike Schumann, the Daily
Hoosier had the tweet yesterday. 3 losses in a row now to
Rutgers, 93 to 34. The margin against for Indiana.
If you take Rutgers, Maryland and Purdue over the last three
years, I use O and eight average that the total margin against is
287 to 142, which is an average margin of 36 to 18 against the
guys that should be at your like, that's your level.
Well, and I've mentioned this a few times, what to me is
especially galling, Purdue is kind of a separate case because
they're not in the division. And to some degree, you know,
they've had a similar set of problems to Indiana in a
slightly different order. But Rutgers was in the dumpster
in 2019. Maryland was in the dumpster in
2019. The watch Those two programs
exceed Indiana to the point where they are getting bowl
eligible early. You know Rutgers able to get
bowl eligible playing at Indiana.
Yeah, that. There's no greater illustration.
As I said in that preview pod of how far Indiana has fallen.
And the only reason they're not the worst program in the Big 10
right now is because the other worst program in the Big 10 had
to fire their coach because of a sexual harassment investigation.
And just they're they're out from under a BIOS.
They might be in a. Better and they're no and
they're and they're and and that'll be there's at least
like. OK, we're hitting the reset
button. There's a path forward.
Indiana's this bad and looks totally lost in terms of what
it's supposed to do and what the answers are.
And I don't know if there's a whole lot of point in belaboring
the statistics. The statistics of this game are
awful. I mean, Indiana was 2 for 11 on
3rd down. They only gained 279 yards.
They only gained 126 yards in the air.
Their yards per pass were 4.1 yards per pass, which is just
not. That's not good.
They they were out possessioned. Rutgers had the bowl 37 minutes
and 38 seconds. Indiana had it for 22 minutes
and 22 seconds. So it and it just was there was
very little to look at there offensively or defensively and
say well that's nice. To see that's something that we
can build on. You, you know, people again will
point back to the fact that they had a nice drive at the start of
the game. I'll keep pointing back to, you
know, unless I use defense can hold another team scoreless Ala
Iowa. What happens in the first
quarter with this team doesn't matter.
Two years in a row now, Indiana takes an early lead against
Rutgers, and then Rutgers outscores them the rest of the
way on their way to a victory. And you know, we're kind of at
the point now, Scott, where we've said all of this 10 times.
I think what's what's what's amazing to me is that I, you and
and Tom Allen in particular there, it's clear that what
they're doing isn't working. But there doesn't seem to be an
acknowledgement that what they're doing isn't working.
You know, we go through this whole rigmarole with this
quarterback situation, which everybody has been saying over
and over again, this is not a good idea.
Stop doing this. Stop.
You know, putting us, your quarterbacks, in a situation
where they're losing confidence. Stop putting them in a situation
where they're not clear about who the leader of the team is.
They settle on Brock Lowry or, excuse me, Brandon Soresby in
this game. I'm going to say they might
settle on Brock Lowry next week. It's hard to say at this point.
They settle on Brandon Soresby. Brandon Sore and I have nothing
against Brandon Soresby, but at some point the numbers have to
be looked at and you have to ask yourself a question like what on
earth is Indiana trying to do Brandon Soresby so far?
Well, I get in, in this season is averaging 4.7 yards per
attempt. And just to kind of put that in
context, Tavin Jackson, as bad as he was at times, is at 7.1
yards per attempt. Connor Basilak was at 5.4 yards
per attempt. Dexter Williams Who?
We've talked about struggled to complete passes was at 4.8 yards
in attempt. You know what you've got And
Brendan Soresby and this offense, if that's what
direction they're planning on going, is a quarterback who does
not appear to be capable of consistently completing passes
that aren't very short. What you saw out of the passing
game today was, I mean they they went through all of this with a
fire and offensive coordinator. They hire a new permanent
offensive coordinator and I'm sorry.
You we were willing to give some cushion on the Michigan game
because it's Michigan. You had a whole game.
You had a whole extra week because of the buy.
This is the offense you come out with against the Rutgers defense
that. I mean while they're fine it's
Rutgers. It's it's not like you're going
up against one of the top ten teams in the conference.
I'm just, you know, I guess to sum it all up, Scott.
There's no answers here. There's no direction.
The, you know, the the answers in the press conference are the
same things over and over again. There's no, there's clearly no
clue about how to address any of this.
And it's sad because at this point that means that the
answers are just done. I mean there, there's what we've
seen out of this team is what we're going to see out of this
team. You're more than halfway through
the season, you've just played one of the two or three easiest
opponents remaining on your schedule and really probably one
of the top, like the easiest four schools that you're going
to play against all year. And your response was to go out
and lose 31 to 14 at home in a must win game.
You know, if if we were watching any other program and we were
looking at this, we would say that like the battery's dead,
the gas tank is empty, there's nothing there.
I mean, I think it, I mean not that this is news to anybody
listening and we've essentially alluded to this the last couple
of weeks, but for anybody who was hanging on and thinking
things would get better as the competition level dropped, I
think you got your answer. The the thing with the court,
two things. One, the thing with the
quarterback controversy that is so galling is like you know it's
it's it's always coach speak. But it's true like when you have
a young quarterback that they need to build confidence.
They need time doing this quarterback switching with two
young quarterbacks who both need that is a horrific idea.
The other thing that you know you were mentioning in your
preview was that, you know it's kind of like you know why would
people come. It's kind of the the fan
discussion. But it's like it's true people
come out to see fun football and winning football.
The the thing that I don't understand is it'd be one thing
and this is no knock on either Soresby or Jackson.
It'd be one thing if the over this course of switching it was
clear that Corsby was the better quarterback.
It's not they. They both have good.
They both have bad. Like nobody's you know, so much
better than the other. The thing I don't get is, you
know, all right. So if if they're kind of a tie,
go with the guy who is the brother of Trace Jackson Davis
and just have something that's at least you can grab onto.
And again like, you know, your job as a football coach in the
end is to win. It's not to be fun.
But there is something to it's like, hey, at least this is
something we can sell our program around.
And just the fact that they don't even have that thought
that it's so much like just all it's like fine, you can be all
robotic, all football, you know, but you got to win.
Then, like that was Archie Miller's problem.
I was like, fine, you can just suck at everything else in the
the marketing media department. But then you better win.
Look, I I think the key here is not Trace or or Tavin Jackson
versus Brendan Soresby. I know, I know, I know.
I think everything you said is right.
But the where I think people keep getting misled by the
commentary around this program, it's not the quarterbacks.
It's it's the offense. The offense doesn't make sense.
The offense, I mean. You.
You.
Supposedly you decided Brendan Soresby was your best option at
quarterback this week. He threw for 15 for 31, for 126
yards. Looked good on one drive and
that was it. Maybe two.
If you want to be really be charitable, you ran the ball a
bit more. That's good.
And you used Soresby to run the ball.
OK, great. Even if you put his total
offense together, running and passing at less than 200 yards,
he rushed 11 carries for 49 yards on the game.
That's the offense is not adequate.
This is against Rutgers that you're doing this and you're at
home and this is how this is going.
It's not the and this is the I just the messaging is always it
seems like, well, these guys aren't executing.
These guys aren't doing this. It's the plan.
Like the the plan is the consistent thing and the plan is
not working and it hasn't worked since the start.
Of the 2021 season that. So I guess that's where I've
gotten tired of all of this like all of all of the what little
you hear out of this program you would.
And if all you're doing is paying attention to the quotes
you're thinking, well, they just got to go get better players,
which they do. But they don't have a system to
plug them into and they're not attracting players that are good
enough to overcome the system, which might be the key to kind
of understanding when success in this.
Program has existed versus when it hasn't.
It's just you know at this stage what do you do?
Are you going to, I mean in the post game press conference Allen
seemed to backtrack on the idea that he had named a permanent
starter. So are they going to run out
another starter? We've talked about Dexter
Williams potentially being a starter at some point.
I mean this idea that somehow just in.
The part of the universe where IU football exists that
constantly changing quarterbacks and constantly benching
quarterbacks is the problem or the solution to the problem, as
opposed to the system that the quarterbacks are in being the
problem. I don't believe that IU occupies
its own special part of the football universe.
Like when you see this happening, it's almost always a
clear sign that there's just a fundamental lack of
understanding of what the problem actually is.
I completely agree with all of that and not to change the the,
but this is the problem is then I mean you're 100% right.
I completely agree with all of that.
But then you look and it's like this always does feel like a bit
of a smokescreen for the defense, 'cause then you look at
Rutgers and you know Winsat through for 39 yards.
It's like when you look at the Rutgers stats you you used to
look at their numbers, you're like, man, they must have gotten
crushed last night. It's like, no, they won by just
doing nothing. But their quarterback threw,
made five completions. That was like a Dexter Williams
type game. Like the the defense, not saying
they get a pass, but it's like there's a world where like the
the the coaching, everyone's just focusing on the offense and
it's like the defense is also horrible.
Like at some point you got to be able to stop the run out of
Rutgers. Again, Rutgers was.
They were 39 passing guards and they put up 31 points.
Yeah, 5 for 12. Gavin Wim sat through the air.
They were never a threat. To pass the ball and this is the
the thing we keep coming back to, or at least I keep coming
back to. It's this idea that the the
defense rarely gets talked about because that I I'm guessing
that's Tom Allen's baby. He was the defensive coordinator
last year and the defense was real bad.
We talked about that. Here it is this year and as much
as there was some early optimism about the defense, they couldn't
tackle, I mean that that that 89 or whatever the 70 yard run that
Wimsat had. For the touchdown, that was not
a great blocked play. That was great about the tackles
either, right? I mean it was just like the the
positioning was bad, the pursuit was bad.
This again a lot. We've talked a lot about detail
oriented issues with IU football and we talked a lot about them
with penalties. We've talked about them with
special teams, which we saw with the block punt, but it also is
on the defense and. That that has been the big thing
that just frankly hasn't gotten enough attention.
And again, I think a lot of it is scheme.
You know, I I refuse to believe that this particular group of
players can't play good defense, but I think that in many cases
they're being asked to do things that don't necessarily work.
The substitution patterns don't make a whole lot of sense.
We've seen, we saw that in the Maryland game.
We've seen that, you know, basically throughout there,
there does not appear to be the kind of consistency that you
need. In terms of the scheme, and that
puts the players in bad position.
And the players themselves are also not executing, which isn't
helping matters much. But again, you've got three
years here where IU is surrendering an average of over
30 points a game to not Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State.
Everybody else, the teams you have to be competitive against.
The teams that there's no excuse not to be competitive against,
you're just not being competitive against them.
And yesterday was just the most recent chapter.
Do you mind if I take a step back and do kind of a
statistical pull out if you don't?
Mind, Knock yourself out. I've been playing around with
this and you mentioned three years.
I think it's a, you know, there's obviously a delineation
in the Allen era up to 2020 and then now you have 2021 and
beyond. But you know three years is a
pretty large sample size. And so I've been kind of
tracking this this year and it's not good.
But when you look at the the three years of Allen, 2021-2022
and then this year, which is still, you know, being
completed, I wanted to look at this versus the other worst
three-year stretches of IU coaches.
So Kevin Wilson from 2011 to 2013, Bill Lynch from 2008 to
2010. Dinardo only had us three years,
Cameron from 97 to 98 and then Mallory I went with 94 to 96.
Though Mallory also had a stretch his first three years
which were not awesome. In that stretch.
Tom Allen is 8 and 23 overall and two and 20 in the Big 10.
Wilson was 10 and 26, five and 19 in the Big 10.
Lynch 12 and 24, three and 21 in the Big 10.
Dinardo 8 and 27, three and 21 in the Big 10, Cameron 10 and
23, six and 18 in the Big 10, and Mallory 11 and 22, four and
20 in the Big 10. A lot of numbers I threw at you,
but here's here's the real key that I'm looking at.
What does Tom Allen have to do this year to be better than any
of those guys in that three-year stretch?
And so right now he's trailing everybody.
So if we lose out he has a worse three-year stretch, then Wilson,
then Lynch, then Dinardo, then Cameron, then Mallory.
I will throw out that Wilson. You know Lynch, Dinardo, Cameron
and Mallory all got let go at the end of that three-year
stretch. Wilson was taking over, so he
was taking over a bad program that three-year stretch.
What Allen has to do to get better than Kevin Wilson, Let's
just focus on Big Ten wins. If if he wants to do better than
Wilson, he needs four more Big Ten wins this year.
That seems like a a bridge a bit too far to be better than Bill
Lynch. He has to get two more Big Ten
wins to be better than Dinardo, who's like like the nadir as you
say of the IU football era. He still needs two more Big Ten
wins. He gets one more Big 10 win.
He's tying Dinardo's three-year rolling average.
This one boggles my mind to be better than Cameron.
You and I lived through the Cameron era.
I wouldn't say it's like, oh, that was that was awesome.
I remember tons of great games. He needs 5 more Big 10.
He basically has to win out, have a better Big 10 stretch
than Cameron did over three years and he used to have three
more wins than Mallory to do better to, you know, Lynch had a
lot of, you know, bad early season games, but he would need
Allen weed five more overall wins to have more overall wins
than Lynch in that three-year period.
It's just it it it kind of struck me as I started playing
with the numbers just how much Allen is going to have to do to
be better than any of those guys.
And you know, I know this is one of the Q&A S you had, you know
just reading between the lines here, but it's like everybody
else on that list was let go at the end of that three-year
period that like there was a time when that was not good
enough for IU football. And again it's still incomplete.
We still have Illinois, we still have Purdue, we still have
Michigan State on the schedule, you know.
But as I think we keep continue to keep harping on, it's like
there's nothing that I've seen outside of just I hope things
get better and maybe Dexter Williams is really, really good
coming back from an ACL injury really early that that tells me
we're going to change it. But it was I I started playing
these numbers. I'll keep them updated
throughout the year, but it's it's really it's it's really
pretty amazing stats when you look at it that way.
It's just really depressing. And look, I think it's, it's
worth mentioning at this point, but it's you know in the macro,
it's bad in the micro. I'd love to just get on the
podcast and be able to talk about some kind of a positive
with IU football. And it's just, I mean, I mean,
it's hard like, where are you supposed to draw the positives
out of a 3114 loss, right? I mean, there's a 3114 loss to
Rutgers at home that drops you to O and four in conference and
two and five overall. And frankly, you're lucky to be
two and five. You know, you should have lost
the Akron game. So look, there's not a lot else
to say. I mean, hat tip to Trent Howland
for coming in and and rushing for six yards of carry.
That was nice, you know, Soresby did seem to run the ball fairly
well. IU clearly does not know how to
use Jalen Lucas anymore. Unfortunately, 5 catches for 16
yards in this game, probably because people are keying on
him, because they realize that IU is going to try to get over
the ball and and so you know if they're sitting on him, they
don't seem to be able to make the throws to open things up and
you know all the little. Like the straws the people have
clutched at to think, well, maybe things will get better,
whether it was the competition will get easier or hey, you
hired Rod Carey and you replaced Walt Bell, who people felt
clearly was the problem and that'll fix the offense.
That hasn't worked. It's just at this point you just
kind of throw your hands up and you're like.
Maybe you know. You know we've already had like
the team only meeting has already happened and we've
already had. We're going to change the way we
practice and we've already had like all of the we're going to
re evaluate everything. All of the all of the movie
tropes that you know normally you would use in order to get
your team back on the the right line.
Maybe Varsity Blues? They all need to go to the strip
club or something. I was going to make that joke,
and I didn't because I I figured you would.
So you're welcome. But yeah, I it's just.
I don't I I'm out of words at this point Scott.
There's only there's only that you can't really talk about this
and this is where I really get I think just really depressed on
it. You can't really talk about the
team without you coming across as not you.
But like us, you can't really talk about the team without it
either coming across as overly negative or.
You know, whatever. But we had like die hard IU fans
tweeting about how they left the game in the middle of the game
because it was just so unentertaining.
It's and it's it's. A couple people mentioned this
on our Twitter feed. It's not just that Indiana's
losing, it's that they are losing and they are doing it in
the most uninteresting way possible and in the way that
like sucks the most emotion out of the room.
And I think you know, for as as much as I don't know how many
people are still defending. Alan as a coach at this point,
but a lot of people's defensive. Alan has continued to come back
to. Here's the guy that you know he
he's he's this is, you know, he's emotion based.
There's emotion in the way that this team plays and they may not
be the most talented, but you know that feeling of
togetherness and that emotion that that the coach helps to
exude, that's what's carrying them through.
I mean, Alan. When he does get emotional on
the sidelines, it's like ridiculous, like you know when
he get went nuts over the targeting penalty yesterday,
it's like, man, that was a targeting penalty and it just
kind of looks. I'm not going to say it's not
perfunctory, but it's just in the void.
It's completely disconnected from the team.
And the team at this point just looks beaten down.
And it's a shame to watch. And it's hard to see it getting
better as the rest of the season goes along.
Because if you're beaten down this much in a loss to Rutgers
at home, I don't know where you're going to get up and be
able to effectively leverage emotion moving forward.
And it feels like like that was the last thing you could point
to with IU and say, well, at least they've got that in the
bag and they don't seem to have that now.
The the the really depressing thought and you you answer this
in your Q&A, but I I just want to kind of recircle about it.
You know because Greg Doyle had the article in the Indy Star.
It's like you can't afford to you know do this for other you
know it's like what cost more of the buyout or or you know
keeping another year and and you know when you think about it it
is that that's the really depressing part is you know if.
If we roll this in the next year, I don't know how much real
damage is actually done. Like the TV money is the TV
money. The big 10's still going to pay
us. You know, the gate will be down.
But I don't, you know, as you've said many times, like nothing's
unrecoverable with IU football. And like, there's always new
bottoms, but it's like you're still going to get 2025
thousand, 30,000 people there. You know, it's So it's like
that's the really depressing part is like, you know, it's
it's very easy to be like, oh man, you know the it's it's
worse. You can't go through another
year like this like you probably can.
Like you probably can do that and it's.
You know, I look at myself, you know, speaking for myself, Like
we got back on, you know, Friday night.
We got home at like 1:00 AM You know, I I really kind of wanted
to go to the game just because it's, you know, it's a beautiful
day. It's homecoming.
I like the homecoming band like I I do, you know, I know we were
joking that, you know, it's like that's not why you get fans.
But for me, it's like I kind of like that whole experience.
We have nice seats. We have a good parking spot, you
know, But it's like. And I could not rally anybody in
my family to want to go. It's like, all right, well, I'm
not just going to go to drive down to to watch IU lose to
Rutgers by myself. So I didn't go.
And then it's like halfway through the game, my wife's
like, aren't you happy you didn't go.
It's like and you know, and and this is, I mean so anyway back
to that question. It's like I I'm actually not
sure there is, you know, from a high level like I I don't know
there is much harm in just doing another year of this and trying
to lower that that buyout number.
Well, I mean yeah, the the, the, the atmosphere around the
program, I'm not sure it could tank much more than it's already
tanked. Although I think it could always
get worse. I'm angry.
It's just apathetic at this point.
That's the thing it that's the worst kind of of atmosphere.
But you know, look, I, I think ultimately the problem that
Indiana faces right now, I mean normally when you've got an
embattled coach and you're on the fence and there's a big
buyout, it that's there's an argument that can be made.
Whether it's a financial argument that is dressed up as a
competitive argument or whether it's a well, we're going to give
this guy one more year because we want we we think that there
might be something going, I just like this is not an embattled
coach. I mean this is a coach that the
program is adrift and it is at a level of uncompetitiveness as
you just illustrated with your stats that exceeds at this point
any three-year stretch of any coach that Indiana's had since
the first Reagan administration. And that's not I mean you you in
this era I think to some degree IU football could be terrible
for long stretches before and has and has and it just kind of
blended into the background. I don't know that it blends into
the background in this era And what it's interesting because I
think you know there's it's the big growth area with IU
Athletics and I think that some to some degree you almost have
to think about it from the standpoint of yeah, you could
just say well that's a lot of money and we're not going to
make a change because we can't afford it financially.
It's, you know that $12 million essentially the difference
between a firing that would happen at the end of this year
versus one next year. I mean that is a significant
chunk of change paid out over you know whatever five years or
so. But the flip side is you know in
an era where as we've talked about television revenue and
ticket revenue become more important, especially as you
head towards the future where you know your your entire
financial structure is entirely different, right.
You have to start building fan base participation and
excitement about your football program if you're IU because it
is your growth potential. And you know that it's an
interesting thing because it's like you can look at the Ohio
State's and the Michigan's and and other schools and you can
say well you know they they are clearly doing amazing things in
in football. They don't have to worry about
it, but they also don't have a tremendous amount of growth
potential beyond what they've already got.
I mean, those brands are about as big as they can get in this
era. And I think if if you're
Indiana, you have to look at it and say, yeah, you could wait
another year, you know, because ultimately it's only irritating
a few people. But you have to start getting
people either on board with IU football or back on board.
A lot of people jumped on the bandwagon 4 years ago, and
rightfully so because there have been that eight-year stretch of
success, you know? So I almost feel like between
the fact that there was a taste of success, someone asked.
It wasn't an art tweet thread. It was in another one.
Someone asked like, why wasn't there this level of irritation
or anger expressed with Cameron or with Dinardo or with Lynch.
But there has been this level of irritation expressed with Alan.
I guess the implication being that things are being unfair to
Alan. And I actually think the problem
right now is that IU football, even with the very moderate
level of success that they enjoyed from 2015 to 2020, and
really you could even go back to 2013 like that, that eight-year
span set a different set of expectations in the people that
were following along. And so because you grabbed some
fans through that process, people forget, like when Cameron
was getting ready to get fired, you know, at that point, Indiana
hadn't been to a bowl since 1993.
You know, they so 949596, like they were bad for quite a while.
Dinardo was right after that. Again, no bowl Lynch.
You know there wasn't. There weren't the calls for it,
I think, because even though IU had gone to the bowl game with
Hepner, there was still that feeling that was a carryover
from the end of the Mallory, Cameron and Dinardo eras that
this was still not a good football.
Program and and and Lynch played exciting football and also like
I mean that like one of the biggest pods we ever had was
when we had like a throw your gum at.
It's like he had a game at Michigan where like we almost
won at Michigan. Like he I'm not not here to
defend Lynch. He had really low lows, but he
had some incredible highs where like that that team would just
come out and stun people and it's like, wow, we're almost
beating Michigan, I mean. Anyway, sorry, go ahead.
No, but my point was really connected to Hepner, who Hepner
had a lot of goodwill built up, right?
So that was also he was really connected to that, Yeah.
So all of this I'm saying is the reason why the atmosphere is
different now is that Alan had success.
Alan preached this idea of the T the program breaking through and
they kind of did kind of. And it's it's not just that
Indiana's losing, it's that Indiana's losing with a level of
uncompetitiveness that we haven't seen in a long time with
a team that shouldn't be this uncompetitive.
Like we've seen seasons where IU has had rosters that were just
filled with nothing but two stars and former walk ONS not be
competitive. This is like a different level
of uncompetitive. It feels like a a team that just
doesn't have a set up that provides them a chance at
victory week after week. And that I think is why you're
you're getting this level of of pushback because there are AI
think a small but now vocal core and I think it's largely younger
fans who really do want to root for Indiana football.
They weren't Indiana football to be successful And so I think
that's the art. The counter argument to the
well, it doesn't hurt if you wait an extra year.
I think you know look I I don't think the money is ultimately
the issue. I think the it's it, there's a
lot of things wrapped into it. Certainly the money is not zero
issue but I think that ultimately IU there there's a
there's a philosophical battle here.
It's like, well, even though you wouldn't want to spend the money
if you did make a change, I don't know if that can that be.
Certainly, I don't think that that can be how you decide what
you're going to do with this kind of a circumstance.
Because every other time you see a coach like this in this kind
of a situation where there's just clearly no answers and the
team is clearly stuck in the mud.
And you see this across sport, this isn't just a college
football thing. It is always more harmful to
wait an extra year when you have to take action immediately.
Because even in an era like with the transfer portal where you
can get it a quick infusion of talent, the you know, the the
level of problems that it can have in terms of just people's
perception of your your football program, your athletic
department. The you know that you don't want
to be on the wrong side of all of those things from a fan base
perspective. And I think that that's what
makes it more complicated than just, well, what is the buyout
number in this case? Again, my thought was perhaps
you were going to come out, you know, going to come out of this
Rutgers game. Indiana was going to win the
game, and a lot of this was going to be put to bed for a
while. And instead, it's not just the
loss, the manner that they lose this game is like, wow, that
program is dead in the water. That is really hard to ignore,
even if it's more financially expedient to ignore.
And I guess that's the real conflict right now that I think
philosophically you've got to face if you're Indiana because
look, nobody wants to fire Tom Allen.
Nobody, you know, I mean, there's, there's, but you can't.
There's certain things that just become unignorable.
And like what the statistics you rattled off, the statistics
we've talked about in terms of just the lack of competitiveness
against the whole Big 10, not just the top of the Big 10 E at
some point those just become unignorable.
And I don't. What do you do at that point?
Well, and you bring up a fairpoint and this is and then
we can probably move on. This is where this is where the
football pods get really tough and might start getting really
short for us because like if. If the team is going to come out
and just be lifeless and you're not going to have, you know,
close moral victories or not saying we can't do pods about
losses. But like, at some point there's
only so much we can talk about. Like, you know, just getting
just kind of DOA against Rutgers and it's like it's just going to
continue to turn into these discussions about bio because
there's nothing else to talk about.
It's like we lost to Rutgers. We were not competitive anyway.
As we wrap up IU football to, I think that's about all that
there is to say about that. Let's talk a little bit about
couple of things this weekend. Hoosier Hysteria happens on the
men's basketball side, which was nice to see everybody not really
like the Hoosier hysterias of old.
There was no scrimmage, so we really didn't get a chance to
see players do a whole lot. I mean the the big, you know,
spot of the night was Anthony Leal hitting a 60 foot shot to
win one of the little games that they had.
The players playing yard and Garzone look really good from
three you you you had some good experiences overall, and
certainly I think the fans enjoyed it, but we didn't get a
lot tangible out of it from a basketball perspective.
The other big news that happened on Friday, and this was a bummer
for a lot of IU fans, was the news that Boogie Fland the the
point guard who was down to Indiana, Kentucky and Alabama,
who a lot of Indiana insiders for a long time felt like was a
real good chance of coming to IU.
That noise had increased. Sounds like something happened
at the last second where he decided to change over to
Kentucky, so he commits to Kentucky.
That was a bummer for a lot of IU fans.
You know, a couple things I'll say on that.
I mean first of all there's there's a reason why you and I
don't like hop into recruiting that much because there are
people who do that space so much better than we do.
But it was funny. Like Michael Ray Ohm who's one
of our subscribers on sub stack chimed in with with kind of what
I thought was a a funny comment because it's true, but he said
unrelated here. But the fland recruitment is my
first experience really following extremely high level
recruitment closely in the nil era.
And honestly it's just not that fun.
It's anticlimactic when a guy commits and when you don't get
him everybody throws the tantrum.
Yes. And and honestly, I've found
recruiting coverage even before the nil era to be like that.
But now it's like you, you know, IU fans and I've never liked
this if you've listened to the show.
And Scott certainly knows because he's been doing the show
with me for so long. I've never liked the every time
IU would lose a player, it would be like, oh, well, you know,
Kansas dropped a bag or Kentucky dropped a bag.
It's like everybody drops bags in the nil era and everybody was
dropping bags before the nil era.
It wasn't like people were just going to schools because you
know they they like the architecture.
So I've always hated that excuse.
But yeah, it's it's not fun. It's more like free agency than
it is recruiting in in this era, which it always has been.
I mean the the people that argue that it wasn't somehow before
are are to me kind of missing the point on things.
But yeah it's it's not I I don't find a whole lot of fun of that.
A lot of people clearly do. I I am clearly in the minority
on this. People spend hundreds of dollars
a year subscribing to recruiting sites and and places that follow
recruiting. So I I freely acknowledge this
is not an area that I'm interested in.
But I I have a hard time with people who look at the boogie
flan situation with him going to Kentucky and looking at that and
and having it as an indictment of Woodson for two reasons.
One, you're going to be in recruitments where you don't get
the guy, and this was a situation where you lost the
recruit to a program that just pulls in five star recruits
every year. I mean, this is what I read
somewhere. I think Jeff Barrozzello said it
was the the Calipari. While he's been at Kentucky,
he's had a 5 star point guard in every class except for two,
which is just insane. And they've got something
they've had like something like 55 stars over the course of that
14 years or whatever that he's been there.
So look, you're you're going to lose guys in those situations
and the fact you're in the final two essentially in that
decision, that's a good thing. You're, you know, you're going
to lose a few of those. You're not going to win
everyone. And the other thing I'll say on
this, people have been criticizing Woodson and IU for
zeroing in too much on a 5 star and not having a backup, which I
think is weird because these are generally the same people who
then complain about how the players Indiana has recruited
aren't good enough. So it's like, OK, so they went
for the five star and they they didn't get the five star.
They've demonstrated an ability to go get guys in the portal or
in D commitments that happened in March and April.
And you're worried about them not pulling in a lesser player
in this cycle who you would almost certainly just complain
about down the road as being inadequate.
So I feel like there's, you know, you're kind of damned if
you do, damned if you don't. The idea, to me at least, that
Indiana's in these mixes and is being seriously considered by
these players is a good thing. It's not as important as what
actually happens on the floor, and that's why we don't talk
about the recruiting stuff that much.
But you know, it would have been great to have gotten another
five star in this class. They may still do that as
there's another commitment coming down the Pike that
Indiana's in the midst of. But the fact they've gotten a 5
star in the class is a really good start, and we'll see what
happens with everything else. And the entire landscape's so
different now that I have a hard time getting really torqued out
about this one way or the other. Agree with all of that.
As you know, I I don't really care about anybody until they
put on an Indiana jersey and actually play with an Indiana
jersey. I mean, the last time I dipped
my toe into this a little bit was, I think it was like Romeo
Langford and Darius Garland were both looking at IU and I I kind
of started digging into Darius Garland a little bit and then.
He doesn't sign here. He goes to Vanderbilt.
I remember thinking like, wow, I just basically did a whole bunch
of research on Vanderbilt's point guard, like a team that
we're not going to play. It's like that.
That's the thing that's wild to me about recruiting is you're
doing or getting it. Getting deep into this
recruiting. It's like, hey, you're you're
kind of putting your hopes on the whims of a 17 year old.
My wife teaches high school and it's like, they are interesting
characters. If you don't remember high
school kids when you're in high school, it's like you're putting
a lot of your hopes on that. And it's like.
Some of the times you're not going to get them and then you
just did a whole bunch of research on Kentucky's point
guard like hope you have fun with that, like which I don't
really care about. You know the other thing that I
will say it's not Pollyanna, it's just like oh hey, just
because we're in the in the running is good.
It's like there is a process to these things.
You're not just going to not be recruiting 5 stars and all of a
sudden hey we're going to get four or five stars a year.
Like it just it just does not work that way.
I look at similarly to our non conference scheduling, you know
we're we're going to play in Atlantis.
I don't expect us to win the Atlantis tournament.
I don't expect us to win the tournament in New York this
year. It's like now I expect us in a
couple of years to start winning those tournaments.
I'd like that. But it's like you can't just go
from playing the Crossroads Classic to then playing in the
battle for Atlantis and be like, hey, why didn't we win that?
It's like, well, because if there's a process like you're
you're playing, you know, this year you're playing UConn,
they're the defending national champions.
Like it's going to take some time in the same thing to me as
recruiting like. You, you can't just go from zero
to, hey, we're going to beat Kentucky out of every single
five star recruits. It's like that just doesn't
happen. There is a process to this, and
to me, Woodson is showing that process and, you know, am I
giving him some benefit of the doubt?
Yes. You know, but it's.
I don't think it's naivete. I don't think it's just saying,
you know, oh, he's doing a great job.
It's like, you know, he did land Liam Mcneely who could be really
good, Boogie Flanders could be a boss.
Like we don't know boogie, Boogie fland not boogie.
Who cares? Like he.
He's, He's. You know, who cares?
This is this is the distant basketball playing cousin of the
family and The Simpsons. Like, what?
Oh man. Could be nothing.
Nothing far. Once.
Once you think about it that way, losing that recruit doesn't
make doesn't hurt nearly as much.
Yeah, I mean, those kids don't look athletic at all.
I think Bart Simpson way more than than one of the Finder
kids. Oh, God.
OK. We have another five star on the
pocket like that. That's how I look at this is
look, I that's the thing, it's the equation is so different
now. I mean a little bit of a great
player to get. You're in the final two, you
don't get the player fine. And look I think to be clear it
was a very small minority of people complaining about it and
look I mean you know Woodson and staff have to find some
solutions at guard moving forward.
We knew that already. And hey, guess what?
They've demonstrated that they can pull people out of the
portal. They've demonstrated that they
can pull people out of decommitments from elsewhere
when coaches get fired, which happens every single year.
So I'm just not too concerned about it.
There's. A whole other window, like
there's a window after the season where you can get guys
for next year that wasn't there four, 5-6 years ago.
So anyway, IU basketball will be.
Coming up here very soon there's a the men's exhibition game.
The first one is actually a week from today as Indiana going to
take on the University of Indianapolis at 1:00.
So that'll be fun. We'll we'll look forward to to
that coming up and seeing what happens with Yeah right man.
I have a lot of preview podcast coming up with some some some
fun. Yes, I've done some I've done
some work while I was away. I'm coming back in hot and ready
to go. I'm excited to hear that.
All right. We're going to go ahead and wrap
up for today. Scott, anything else from you?
No, I think. I think we are good.
We hit it all. Yeah, I'm ready for.
I'm ready for basketball as. Yeah.
Well, I am too at this point. All right, that'll wrap it up.
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