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Scott Caulfield joining you once
again, it is Monday the 23rd of 

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January, we're having to be 
joining you folks. 

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Once again, a pretty Good week 
last week for IU Athletics, IU 

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basketball, men's basketball in 
particular and that's what we're

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going to talk about today as the
Hoosiers on a three-game winning

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streak because of course they 
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And they've got a couple of 
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are pretty important in the big 
scheme of things are talked 

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about what we've seen since we 
last podcast with each other. 

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And what we're expecting going 
forward, Scott as always, good 

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to see you. 
How are you doing doing? 

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Well, doing very well. 
Awesome. 

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Yeah. 
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No trophy, no, a little bit. 
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the fact, right? 
So, yeah, I guess, yeah, John 

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Just the yeah, and John 
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maybe we should just stop now. 
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Do you keep going back on how 
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Montana? 
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Let's start off with this. 

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This is one of those first world
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Probably something the audience 
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Arrested in. 
But I'd like to note given the 

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trajectory of the podcast. 
The last few weeks it is hard to

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do an in-the-moment podcast 
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Team that is not fully settled 
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what it is, actually, all we can
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We are not, the only ones with 
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I would hate to be a Yukon 
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You would have spent two months.
Thing that you weren't ranked 

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number one and talking about how
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team in college basketball. 
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the number one ranking and then 
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And and finally after you know, 
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Butler of all teams, there's 
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where you're just like, you 
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Look around, look around the Big
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Wisconsin's like that 
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Like that mean, basically almost
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Occurs in Purdue in the big 
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schedule so far this year. 
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And I mean, even if you were a 
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explain, like, how did we lose 
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Like, you know, these kinds of 
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So I only say that because, you 
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assume a Rutgers podcast Maya is
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them, it would be your six and a
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where you don't talk and just 
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go to. 
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playing Rutgers. 
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Without that must be what? 
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What do you, like? 
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what's the 20 minute? 
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aggressively fouling? 
The person you're podcasting 

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with just that of that. 
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I like that. 
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Institute that on the show here 
as we move forward just like 

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Scott doesn't just says 
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I don't like I'll just like jump
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music or something is I nope 
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later, something like that. 
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good last week. 
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week, and it's interesting 
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with you and a couple of other 
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What to expect out of this IU 
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You know, this is a team that at
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you look at the schedule and 
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Ultimately see this team going 
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conference. 
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and 12 in conference. 
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possible outcomes and when you 
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has played recently, you know, I
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just Twitter for fan reaction 
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message boards because those 
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poisonous culture to them, but I
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sources rent at college. 
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really informative in terms of 
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State is the narrative on this 
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the gun when you go back. 
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the three losses that they had 
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January, where it's like well 
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and I was actually pretty decent
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Iowa team and it's like that's 
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damage. 
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big wins including that 
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Yes. 
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but still, it's like you're a 
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then you get born out by Penn 
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they set a record for most 
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the way that IU is approaching 
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postgame, press conference after
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Game said, you know, essentially
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clearly, we lost two starters. 
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mentally, and it took us a while
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I think it's a bit of an over 
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much of an over simplification 
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how lost this team looked in 
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together. 
They've looked in these three 

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wins in a row that they've had 
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Illinois at home against 
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These are three games Think a 
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us to lose all three of them 
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win the previous three. 
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back on track or maybe they're 
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I stand on this. 
How do you feel about it at this

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point? 
It's like I feel like the rest 

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of the year is going to be 
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game will give us the answer and
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well the next one after that, 
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and let you just keep going with
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There are clearly trust issues 
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this. 
I always think about that is all

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what's it? 
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very big picture that is that is
real like you go on these losing

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streaks in the team looked 
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like we were very honest about 
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But, you know, there is a month 
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And that's those are true facts.
Like nobody watch those three 

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games against Iowa, Northwestern
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that's and that's a team that 
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you having some bad breaks. 
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you and I started, you know, 
We'd espiral into like what was 

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the last time we finished 500? 
Like what's our record since 92?

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Like it's just there's there's a
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of unrealized expectations 
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presidents years. 
Not going to go into that now 

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but like that is real. 
Like whether or not you like at 

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Indiana where there are 
expectations and you have 

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multiple years of not meeting 
those expectations, it starts to

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become a weight that lifts that 
gets heavy very quickly after 

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two or three game losing streak.
You, you don't feel like in AI 

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you football season. 
For example, II Football, does 

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it have? 
Like my God, we haven't even 

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It's a cartwheel that happens. 

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Anyway, so those are real 
things, you know, I will go back

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and look at it like yes. 
You could say one of two point 

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loss to Iowa, one point loss to 
Northwestern, but it in the 

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context of the Season, really, 
you know, from that Rutgers game

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on, they just didn't they had a 
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They didn't look great in the 
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They were getting pretty well 
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Upped and then you know, some of
the Northwestern game was not a 

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one-point loss. 
People will forget that in five 

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or six years, that was really a 
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Just the way they were losing 
where they looked out of it. 

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They looked out of sorts and, 
yeah, at that point, it didn't 

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look like there was a lot of 
adjustments and it didn't look 

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like things were changing and 
things were definitely point in 

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the right direction and recent 
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Was, it didn't seem to be a way 
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Everything has changed and so 
things are better. 

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I don't think you'll suddenly 
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Big Ten, but I do think that, 
you know, what you've seen in 

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these last three games is a team
that's playing with just a lot 

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more intensity. 
I will say, I think that, 

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looking back what I have 
realized is, there was probably 

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a jack Trace Jackson Davis 
injury or something that was 

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holding him back. 
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were at least right now, it 
looks like he's playing at a 

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much more hundred percent type 
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I do think that the injuries 
hurt this team, I don't think an

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excuse has and, you know, kind 
of a month-long Swoon, but you 

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have to take the other side 
that, you know, the thing that 

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Archie could never do was kind 
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of the malaise and you do have 
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staff and this team that they 
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mat and look very competitive. 
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awesome. 
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not like the Wisconsin years 
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my God they're in the Big Ten 
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struggle to get in the 
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wallets at home. 
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about like that Illinois. 
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our malaise, like they just 
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maybe we caught them at a weird 
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that Michigan State game for me 
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home, but it's like Michigan 
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They just are They're going to 
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maybe second. 
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team that year in year out, you 
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something. 
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was, that was the key linchpin, 
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And it feels like things have 
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had three straight games of a 
lot of effort. 

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And again, it's something we're 
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Also, just Preparing for this. 
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you know everything but for our 
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don't, I don't know everything. 
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streak in the Big Ten, there's 
like 20 19, right? 

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you know, 12 losing 12 or 13. 
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four-game winning streak to win 
the to finish off the Big Ten to

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basically get us into the NIT. 
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moment that we had. 
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live through of college 
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able to string together three 
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that's something that you're 
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times if you're going to be a 
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But no, I think to me the big 
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these games had a little bit of 
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The Michigan State one was like,
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them. 
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really owes 15, it could have 
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So, that's where I'm at and I'm 
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right, maybe they've turned the 
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happened, but doesn't really 
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we seem to be better. 
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like, all right, races slowly 
open coming back was awesome. 

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this season, but you know, it'll
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kind of on that trajectory maybe
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And then he gets to choose Three
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you know, pretty close to his 
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the tournament time, you know. 
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light at the end of the tunnel, 
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of see like. 
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and we're going to be adding 
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So those are my overall 
thoughts. 

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I mean, you mentioned a bunch of

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things there I wanted to touch 
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Yes, it traced Jackson Davis in,
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press conference. 
It might have been the Illinois.

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Game press conference said that 
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the first week he had practiced 
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which that's that's that's 
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Like that's a clear indicator 
that there's there was something

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legitimately wrong and you know 
it's nice to get confirmation of

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that and one of our big 
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them intelligently as you don't 
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wrong. 
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do that. 
I get it, but it makes trying to

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give accurate appraisals of why 
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not doing the things that they 
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It gives you a lot more context 
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I'm just jumping in for one 
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Just I mean it's amazing that if
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numbers. 
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from now, is look at his 
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You'll be like, oh, we missed 
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deal on, but like, you would not
realize that he was really into,

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like he didn't have great 
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Nebraska Arizona Kansas but 
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then after you know Iowa 
Northwestern Penn State, he 

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still put up Thirty eighteen, 
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thirty one. 
So it's just like to his credit 

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what? 
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wasn't at a hundred percent but 
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is still amazing. 
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future, will look back and just 
be like, they'll anyway, just 

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it's just like as a credit to 
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He's able to put up 30 points 
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obviously battling something. 
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And know it. - that's well taken
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for people to keep in mind. 
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There's also your question about
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loss of the starters doesn't 
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Explain the Swoon. 
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I mean, race Thompson was around
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is important to remember that. 
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missed several games during 
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one all the problems came in. 
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about this Renaissance that 
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way that it's manifested itself.
We've done a lot on this podcast

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of looking backwards and cutting
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or first seven games. 
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the can where we can effectively
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fascinating is on torvik, which 
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I you, when looking at that, 
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If you set the new cut off at 
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encompasses all the big ten 
games they played from Iowa 

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forward, this is the 23rd ranked
team in torvik during that 

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period. 
It's the 14th best offense in 

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all of college basketball during
that period. 

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But it's only the 96, the best 
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Now, you know what's interesting
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just efficiency margin and like,
even in this game against 

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Michigan State, Michigan state 
scored above a A point per 

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possession. 
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which I think is, it's in a 
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something that we've had to 
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I've had to re-calibrate my 
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because I thought they were 
going to be an awesome defensive

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team that would get by on 
offense. 

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And maybe if we were lucky that,
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maybe Top, 40 on offense. 
It's been the opposite. 

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This is actually a legitimately 
scary offensive team, you've got

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Trace Jackson Davis who is 
putting up. 

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Keep calling them likes, 1970s 
numbers on Twitter. 

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This is the it's like when you 
you look at the IU record book 

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and you see that Steve Downing 
like went for 49 and 25 in a 

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game in 1972 and you're like 
well that would never happen 

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today and yet I would not be 
shocked if Trace Jackson Davis, 

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threw down a 49 and 25 at some 
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that. 
Game at Illinois was a similar 

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kind of thing back in 1979, like
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Davis is playing at, and then 
you add in In but Indiana has 

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pretty reliably gotten to other 
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like 15 points or better and it 
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this last game tomorrow, Bates 
comes off the bench after having

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essentially not contributed in 
the game against Illinois and he

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scores 17 points. 
He's 5 for 6 from three tray 

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Galloway, who certainly had his 
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25 or excuse me, 17 points he's 
3 for. 

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From three, he's 245 from to, 
he's 4 for 4 from the free throw

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line, they do all of that in 
place of Jordan, orgy, I keep 

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getting his name wrong today, 
Jalen Hurd, she Fino and Jordan 

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Geronimo, both who have less 
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they had in the Illinois game. 
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rotating new guys, find ways to 
get open and score, and it 

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essentially means that IU has 
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offense. 
First team that's playing enough

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defense. 
To get by rather than having to 

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do it the opposite way. 
And that is that is such a huge 

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change Scott from what we've 
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That it's really hard to get 
your head wrapped around, but it

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does represent to me some 
tactical flexibility and some 

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operational flexibility from 
Woodson and this was exactly 

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what we were lamenting with 
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Like two weeks ago that that 
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So I don't know what the 
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clearly a switch was flipped 
with this team. 

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And ironically, it's kind of 
most obvious on the Defensive 

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end where the effort and the in 
your face - of the defense, and 

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the ability to make adjustments,
is so much better yet. 

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It's not actually showing up in 
the efficiency there, but it is 

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showing up on the offensive end.
Yeah. 

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No, the defense is it really 
shows up as effort? 

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Like it's one of those, our 
defense is really good even 

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though the numbers may not show 
it and the other thing is kind 

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of confounding is after years of
rightfully. 

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So talking about, you know, why 
the hell can't we get a shooter 

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here and yet we don't have it, 
Jordan Halls where it's like, 

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I'm 100% sure. 
That guy's hitting a wide-open 

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three. 
We're really pulled up. 

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We're 19th in the country, in 
three-point shooting percentage.

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This is a big sample size. 
Yeah, I think what I'm I think 

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we should take more threes but 
you were shooting 38% tomorrow 

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Bates. 
You know. 

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It's taken. 
Fifty eight. 

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Threes. 
This year is shooting 42% from 

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three. 
Yeah, you know. 

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It's so sick. 
Those jail and Hooch pheno. 

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So, I mean, yeah. 
I mean Miller cop is still at 52

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percent, 45 percent tray 
Galloway's. 

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A 52%. 
Yes, I know I know it's like and

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this is and its allies. 
I'm 30 shots. 

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That's not and it's not a ton 
but it's not. 

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Yeah. 
We, you know, it's also like 

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we've become a real Good 
three-point shooting team in the

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top, 20 in the country. 
And so I'm with you our offense.

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But for those who watch the 
game, I'm 100% with you. 

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That it's like the defensive 
intensity is what kick-starts 

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the offense, like no question on
this team and that's what was 

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perplexing in the Swoon, is the 
defense just didn't seem to be 

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locked in and therefore our 
offense was struggling and then 

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we were seeing all the same 
issues we saw in previous years 

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so no, I'm With you. 
The last thing I'll say like, 

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it. 
Tres Jackson Davis is at this 

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level, it's unreal, but like, 
when you pull up his Ken Palm 

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page, it's in yellow where it 
has, like, where do you rank 

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nationally? 
In this category, he damn near 

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has yellow. 
Under every single statistic, 

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they keep track of outside of 
Steel percentage. 

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Free throw attempts and made. 
He's not there yet. 

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But I mean, 71% pretty good for 
a, for a big guy, that's it. 

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I'm not expecting Trace to get, 
you know, seven your be 

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nationally ranked and steals 
like everything else. 

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He is nationally ranked at every
other metric that can pom keeps 

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track of it is. 
Yeah mind-boggling how good? 

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And how efficient he has been. 
And this, this is kind of like, 

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it does feel like right now. 
You're starting to unlock some 

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things that like, you saw it, 
two games in a row, Illinois was

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like, all right, we're going to 
single cover Trace. 

447
00:23:02,100 --> 00:23:05,400
It's like, okay, he's going to 
torch you like You can't unless 

448
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,100
you maybe have as a key D. 
You know, he has struggled 

449
00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:10,300
against some of the bigger 
bigger centers. 

450
00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:13,100
But if you single cover Trace 
Jackson, Davis with someone 

451
00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:15,600
who's 610 or lower. 
He's going to torch you. 

452
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:17,100
So you saw Michigan State. 
It's like, all right, we're 

453
00:23:17,108 --> 00:23:19,100
going to double and we're going 
to double from a bunch of 

454
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,800
different ways from the shooter 
side from the weak side. 

455
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,100
And it's like, if we're shooting
42% from three, your screw. 

456
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:27,500
They're like fine. 
He'll he will. 

457
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,000
He's a great passer. 
He passes out of the post, he 

458
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,500
will hit the open guy and it's 
like, so if those two things are

459
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:36,200
happening, It now becomes the 
matchup problem. 

460
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,500
I think we were all expecting to
see this year. 

461
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:41,700
Yeah, absolutely. 
And and clearly there's, there's

462
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:44,000
a health element to it but it's 
also it, right. 

463
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,000
It feeds into the three-point 
shooting because you need to 

464
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,500
have players that can knock 
those shots down. 

465
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,000
And look, I'm with you. 
On the one hand in terms of, I'd

466
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,700
like to see a shoot more threes,
but I will also say that when 

467
00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:00,300
you have the ability to knock 
down those shots, but your 

468
00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:02,900
funneling most of your offense 
through a post player like Trace

469
00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:05,000
Jackson Davis, it is less than 
Orton. 

470
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,400
I mean and this is where yes, 
I'm you can pick and choose your

471
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,400
samples but UCLA whose final 
four Contender like a really 

472
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,100
good team, they actually have a 
worse three-point percentage in 

473
00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:21,900
terms of total number of shots 
than Indiana does. 

474
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:25,500
Like Indiana. 
It's 29.4% of Indiana shot 

475
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:30,900
attempts, or threes UCLA is 
27.7%, you know, they're 350th 

476
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:34,300
in the country on that and and 
so you don't have to shoot a 

477
00:24:34,308 --> 00:24:36,800
lot. 
Threes as a proportion of your 

478
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,400
total offense and still be a 
good team. 

479
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,600
Now, it means you have to be a 
lot more efficient in terms of 

480
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,700
shooting twos but Indiana has 
been able to do that both, 

481
00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:47,300
because of Trace Jackson Davis 
and also because of Jordan 

482
00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:50,300
Geronimo, Malik renew as of 
late. 

483
00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:54,200
You know, why you get so many 
quality looks around the basket 

484
00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:59,300
that it to some degree has 
negated the need to live and die

485
00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:01,800
by the three. 
You know, that's a, that's a 

486
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,600
luxury. 
And if Indiana could continue to

487
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,000
shoot at a, Right now, they're 
in a 38.1% clip on the season 

488
00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:10,700
over the course of the last 
three weeks. 

489
00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:15,400
Indiana is shooting 43% from 
three, which is ninth in the 

490
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,800
country. 
If they do, if they can maintain

491
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,600
somewhere between 38 and 43 
percent on the three attempts 

492
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,200
that they're getting, if we 
could get Miller cop to take a 

493
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,500
couple of stand and shoots 
because I think that would 

494
00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:28,500
actually increase that 
percentage a little bit. 

495
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:31,900
Now, you really put opposing 
defenses into a conundrum 

496
00:25:31,900 --> 00:25:35,200
because Tracy Jackson, Davis has
demonstrated We'll go out and 

497
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,200
get 25 and 15 on you every night
if you don't double him, but if 

498
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,000
you double him as Michigan state
was doing, now you've got 

499
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,400
traitor, tomorrow Bates, who has
just decided I'm gonna if I'm 

500
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,900
open. 
I'm just going to take three. 

501
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:50,700
I can beat 27 feet away from the
basket. 

502
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:52,700
I'm going to take it and it's 
got a decent chance of going in 

503
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:54,500
trade Gap, aggressive trade 
Galloway. 

504
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:56,900
I've been very critical of trig 
Alloy on this podcast, 

505
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,700
aggressive tray, Galloway on 
offense at Roy Galloway. 

506
00:25:59,700 --> 00:26:01,400
That's looking for shots and 
takes them. 

507
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,000
Decisively is a very dangerous 
weapon. 

508
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,800
We're A Gallo is gotten into 
trouble is by not being 

509
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,400
decisive, by trying to 
facilitate everything else all 

510
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,100
the time, a decisive Jalen Hood.
Shh. 

511
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:15,800
Fino is very dangerous. 
Decisive Miller cop. 

512
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:20,400
I'm assuming would be dangerous 
if we ever saw it, you know, and

513
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,100
then Xavier Johnson, he's very 
decisive. 

514
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:25,600
Like he knows it. 
He has this very nice innate 

515
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,200
sense of when to shoot and hit. 
That's a 37% three. 

516
00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:32,600
Three, point shooter that I you 
just doesn't have right now if 

517
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,000
they get him back and if his 
mechanics are Despite the injury

518
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,500
then that adds even more to the 
mix. 

519
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:42,400
And it sets up a team that if 
they can maintain defensive 

520
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,200
intensity and score at this 
caliber suddenly resets the 

521
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,100
entire level of expectations. 
This is where we have read. 

522
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:53,400
Yes. 
Xavier I'll jump in with is 

523
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,700
again, I have no idea on the 
rehab, like, you know, breaking 

524
00:26:56,700 --> 00:27:00,200
a foot is just that's a tough 
injury for a basketball player, 

525
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,900
especially a point guard. 
But what we saw yesterday is 

526
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:06,000
Jalen Hood, should we do is 
definitely battling some sort of

527
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,200
injuries just didn't look right,
you had trig Galloway and 

528
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,300
tomorrow bait playing point. 
I don't want that every game but

529
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:15,300
you were mentioning, you know, 
Xavier Johnson three-point 

530
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,300
shooting and for a while there 
he was our best three-point 

531
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:20,700
shooter parts of last year parts
of this year just to systole and

532
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:23,800
you know, and I think people 
forget that that there is a 

533
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,300
world that if Jalen Hurd Shafi, 
do can just stay healthier kind 

534
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:29,700
of get through some of these 
midseason bumps. 

535
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:35,500
If you're able to rely on, You 
Know, Tamar Bates and Galloway 

536
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:37,300
as your kind of backup point 
guard. 

537
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,000
There's a world where maybe 
Xavier Johnson can play a little

538
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,900
earlier or a little bit more as 
just kind of a spot up, you 

539
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:46,100
know, three-point shooter just 
kind of play the to I'm that's 

540
00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:49,200
not his best role but it's like 
it's something I never would 

541
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,600
have thought of a 30 month or 
two ago that will just bring 

542
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,500
them in as like your to guard. 
It's like no Xavier is your 

543
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:56,500
point and he ideally would be 
your point guard. 

544
00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:59,200
But I'm just thinking for a guy 
who's coming off a foot injury, 

545
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,400
it's really easy to say hey 
we're just going to put you in. 

546
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,200
Its kind of the the Miller 
coprolite go in the corner, it 

547
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,400
just hit. 
A couple threes. 

548
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,200
And so like it, all of these 
things open up just different 

549
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,400
aspects of the offense. 
If you're able to have kind of a

550
00:28:12,408 --> 00:28:15,800
nice, good backup point guard 
like like they did against 

551
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,900
Michigan State. 
It's, I mean look so much of 

552
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:23,600
this team. 
I feel like People don't know 

553
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,400
how to feel or think about it. 
And I count myself in that 

554
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,800
because you know, every time you
try to build trust or start to 

555
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,600
build trust with this team, it 
feels like the bottom drops out.

556
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,200
Now it's hard watching them. 
Dismantle Wisconsin. 

557
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,800
In the second half, then 
watching them dismantle 

558
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,200
Illinois, for the entire game on
the road. 

559
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,800
And that's it. 
That's a top-level win. 

560
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,700
I mean that they're, they're not
going to be a whole lot of wins 

561
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,900
in the entirety of college 
basketball, that travel as well 

562
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,300
as winning at Illinois, will 
because I don't like, I don't 

563
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:53,500
know, 90s. 
Go away. 

564
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,700
And then to come home and have a
couple of separate circumstances

565
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:00,300
in the Michigan State game, 
where it looked like, it might 

566
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:03,200
be getting away from you and 
then to completely take over the

567
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,400
game in both cases and dominate 
like that illustrates to me a 

568
00:29:08,408 --> 00:29:12,000
team that they'll have struggles
and independent moments and not 

569
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,900
going to win every game, the 
rest of the way. 

570
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,900
But they don't look afraid and 
they don't look uncertain 

571
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:19,600
anymore and you know going back 
to what you were talking about 

572
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,500
with Galloway and Bates playing 
the point. 

573
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,800
The fact that Woodson has felt 
comfortable saying, you know 

574
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,300
what, Jalen, atrophy know. 
We're going to move you to a 

575
00:29:29,308 --> 00:29:32,100
Knopf ball roll. 
We want Trey Galloway triggering

576
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:35,800
things because you provide us 
with an offensive skill set that

577
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,500
shouldn't just be all about you,
handling the ball constantly and

578
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:43,700
then in this Michigan State 
game, you know, bait your hook 

579
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:45,300
Jaffe. 
No gets hip-checked. 

580
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,100
He goes down. 
He's clearly not. 

581
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:48,700
Right. 
And they hadn't played that well

582
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:52,300
up to that point and Woodson was
confident enough in bringing in 

583
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:54,800
bait. 
And playing Bates and Galloway 

584
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,900
that he told Hood sophina who's 
been a stalwart been a starter 

585
00:29:58,100 --> 00:29:59,900
the whole season that he's been 
eligible. 

586
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,400
You're going to sit on the bench
for like the next 10 minutes 

587
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:07,100
while we play these other guys. 
And I, you was able to take a, I

588
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,500
think a small deficit in the 
second half and turn it into a 

589
00:30:09,508 --> 00:30:13,200
double digit Advantage without 
him out on the floor, that tells

590
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,500
me that the offense has a much 
better sense. 

591
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,400
Now, both individually and 
collectively of what it can do, 

592
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,200
what it needs to do. 
The level of communication is so

593
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,000
much better. 
Better. 

594
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:25,700
You know being there in person 
yesterday and watching them 

595
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,400
direct traffic back in the back 
court. 

596
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:31,300
You know saying okay, you need 
to go there to start the playoff

597
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:33,200
and I'm going to dribble to this
spot and then watching 

598
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,100
everything. 
Go around that, watching them, 

599
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:38,200
adapt to how Michigan State 
dropping down. 

600
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,000
A defender on Trace, Jackson, 
Davis and figuring out what they

601
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,100
needed to do. 
I mean, so much of what was 

602
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:45,400
built yesterday was built 
without Trace Jackson Davis 

603
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,400
hitting a lot of shots. 
He was he was his percentage was

604
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,700
really bad for the first 25 
minutes of the game. 

605
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:53,400
And in this, a lot to start the 
game that he's probably He 

606
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,600
normally hits. 
So my point in all of that is 

607
00:30:55,900 --> 00:31:00,800
I'm not as worried now, as I was
a week ago or 10 days ago about 

608
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,400
this team, but that's because 
what we're seeing out of this 

609
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,700
team looks so much more focused 
and maybe they had to get their 

610
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:12,700
asses kicked in Happy Valley to 
be like we really have to 

611
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:15,400
dedicate ourselves to paying 
attention all the time, do the 

612
00:31:15,408 --> 00:31:18,400
small things because that's the 
ultimately what's deciding the 

613
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,700
wins, and the losses, and that's
what's putting in this Biz, in a

614
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:24,200
position where we can't win. 
You know, if they've actually 

615
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,800
turned that corner, that's the 
first time in IU teams, turn 

616
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,900
that corner since 2016. 
Yeah, that's the thing. 

617
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,200
You know, that, that would that 
season did not start off. 

618
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,400
Well, people forget that that 
team seem to get the message 

619
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,400
early, you know, after they lost
out in Maui and got blown out, I

620
00:31:41,408 --> 00:31:45,300
think by Duke and it took us a 
while and nobody trusted that 

621
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,900
Team all the way up, through the
end of the Big Ten season when 

622
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:52,500
they won the Big Ten title. 
But even then like you know as 

623
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:54,800
much Is people started to trust 
that team, then they lose in the

624
00:31:54,808 --> 00:31:56,600
first round of the Big Ten 
Tournament. 

625
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,100
They get blown out by North 
Carolina in the sweet 16. 

626
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,100
It's like you know it's hard to 
get your head fully wrapped 

627
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:04,100
around what that team did this 
team. 

628
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,100
I think has a higher ceiling 
than that team did because it's 

629
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:10,300
so stocked with natural 
basketball Talent. 

630
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:13,300
You know, you've got five stars 
and four stars up and down the 

631
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:14,800
roster. 
It's what we were talking about 

632
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,800
a couple of weeks ago when it's 
like, why? 

633
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:20,400
Why is why are these injuries 
like so devastating for a team? 

634
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,600
That is so otherwise talented 
and there. 

635
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:26,900
Is a collective will and a 
collective effort level that 

636
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:29,000
that was not where it needed to 
be, but that looks like it's 

637
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,200
there now. 
So it causes you to kind of 

638
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,900
reset, like, what expectation 
should I have? 

639
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,400
What, where is it safe? 
Where do I not feel like I'm 

640
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,300
going to get hurt again. 
Yeah, no it that 2016 team. 

641
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:44,900
You know, it's like, you know, 
Max bill fell was getting 43% of

642
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:46,200
possession. 
I'm not saying he's a bad 

643
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,000
player, but it's like yesterday 
when Tamar Bates is hitting the 

644
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,300
shots, you're like, yeah, this 
is a five-star recruit like this

645
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,900
is You know, kind of in his 
sophomore year, I think you 

646
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:58,300
should be averaging 19 points a 
game but this is kind of what we

647
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:02,900
should be getting out of him. 
And he's a prime example of or I

648
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:05,100
still have trust issues because 
you look at it like he's only 

649
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,500
once in his only two years we're
almost halfway done with his 

650
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:11,100
career at IU. 
Only one says he had 

651
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:13,400
back-to-back games where he 
scored double-digit points like 

652
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,700
this is where he does need to 
come back and go 546 from three 

653
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:20,600
against Minnesota, but like this
is a great next step or it's 

654
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,600
like, all right, can you 
replicate Eat some of like can 

655
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,800
you get to 10 points? 
Have you know a similar effect 

656
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,000
on the game, you know? 
And not just kind of know show 

657
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,900
your next to but I'm with you 
that that was what was so 

658
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:38,300
frustrating with that Swoon was 
that it was all there it even 

659
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:40,600
without race and even without 
Xavier. 

660
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,000
It's like this is still a really
talented team. 

661
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,100
The team that should be beating 
Northwestern that shouldn't just

662
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:46,800
be getting destroyed by Penn 
State. 

663
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,400
Like this is still a team to me,
I was more frustrated because I 

664
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,900
was so high on the team, I'm so 
high on the This team has that, 

665
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:55,400
it shouldn't be playing that 
way. 

666
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,500
But if, if this is the kind of, 
you know, effort and intensity 

667
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:04,800
that we're going to be seeing, 
it does reframe things because 

668
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,200
now, when you look at the 
schedule, it's like, all right, 

669
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:09,900
you know, I've heard there's a 
couple places, you know, re it's

670
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,199
like oh, you know, every every 
road game, the Big Ten stuff, 

671
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,199
and we don't play well in the 
bar and say, all right, but like

672
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:17,100
if we're good that's like that's
game. 

673
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:19,300
You went like it's just move on 
like the barn. 

674
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:22,300
Yes, it's been tough but like if
you're gonna be a top-tier, big 

675
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:24,699
tent Team, not every road game. 
Can be hard, like there has to 

676
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:27,000
be some you win, but like that's
a game you should win. 

677
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,300
Ohio state is a very good team, 
but you're at Assembly Hall. 

678
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:32,699
You're now going on a fight, 
you'll possible four-game 

679
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:35,000
winning streak like, that's a 
game you can win, and then at 

680
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,199
Maryland again, it's a tough 
Big, Ten wrote all-big, ten, 

681
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,500
real games are tough, but that's
not the toughest environment. 

682
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:46,000
That's not a team that again, if
we're playing at this level, I 

683
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,500
think you could be looking at us
with a six-game winning streak 

684
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:51,199
going into that that to game 
homestand against Purdue and 

685
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,199
Rutgers. 
And as I look at, The rest of 

686
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,300
the schedule outside of the 
Michigan State, Purdue 

687
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,800
back-to-back home games. 
Sorry, sorry. 

688
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:01,200
Michigan State Purdue 
back-to-back Road games. 

689
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,500
There's no other road games in 
the schedule where I'm like, 

690
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:06,700
that's I'm automatically 
chalking it up to a loss and 

691
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:08,100
honestly, the mission. 
I know, we just beat Michigan 

692
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:10,200
State. 
It's just we played so bad in 

693
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,200
East Lansing. 
I just, I can't be like, oh, 

694
00:35:12,207 --> 00:35:14,700
we're going to go in there and 
beat them, but outside of that 

695
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:17,900
it's like, you know, we hold 
serve at home, we got our road 

696
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:19,600
win back. 
It's like, I think we can win a 

697
00:35:19,607 --> 00:35:22,500
couple of these Road games, like
I definitely see a path for 

698
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,300
Above 500, possibly back to the 
feel. 

699
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,500
Fifth fourth place finish in the
Big Ten, like it's all there, 

700
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,400
it's lining up. 
And honestly, you have a nice 

701
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,400
little Runway here going into 
that Purdue Rutgers home to game

702
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,600
home stand. 
Yeah, it's interesting because, 

703
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,600
you know, obviously torvik can, 
and Ken pom kind of do their 

704
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,300
calculations differently but you
know, the tortex got Indiana 

705
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:46,400
projected at 10 and 10 and 
Conference which would be a six 

706
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,100
and six finish the rest of the 
way Ken Palms. 

707
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:53,900
Got it 11 and 9 you know, but I 
think what's Interesting about 

708
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:58,300
both is, if you look at where 
Indiana's projections land on 

709
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:03,600
torvik right now Indiana's, got 
if you count one of the games 

710
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,100
that were Indiana's favored by 
1.1. 

711
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,600
They've got one, two, three, 
four games that are less or five

712
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,000
games. 
Sorry that are less than 2 

713
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,600
points, projected difference, 
one way or another and that's 

714
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,500
essentially what Ken pom has as 
well, you know? 

715
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:22,500
So, basically what happens is 
with these calculations you 

716
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,200
Looking at the probabilities 
based upon relative offensive 

717
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,400
and defensive efficiencies and 
like putting this into a 

718
00:36:28,408 --> 00:36:30,700
simulation in factoring and 
where the games at, how are 

719
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:33,900
these teams going to do? 
And, and what I look at is this 

720
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:38,700
right now, Indiana at four and 
four in conference on can pom. 

721
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:43,500
I would say, you know, a win 
that's rated at two or more 

722
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:46,500
points is likely and a lost. 
Its rated at two points or more 

723
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:50,700
is likely right now, Indiana has
six likely wins on the schedule 

724
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:53,600
and one likely lost. 
That's the game at Do they've 

725
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,900
got three losses that are 
projected by just a point and to

726
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:59,000
winds that are projected by just
to point. 

727
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,800
So you're really looking at one 
of those situations where if 

728
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,800
Indiana wins those six games 
that's 10 wins in conference. 

729
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:13,700
Now of the of the six remaining 
games, can you perform above 

730
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:16,400
expectations to where you pick 
up half of those because now 

731
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,000
you're talking about like 13 and
7 in conference as opposed to 

732
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,300
talking about ten, it was Big 
Ten that could be. 

733
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,000
Good place for all. 
We know it could be, you know 

734
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,900
and and looking at more of a 
shorter term scale. 

735
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:32,100
Indiana right now has five games
coming up that are really 

736
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:36,300
fascinating because there's a 
real opportunity here for 

737
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:40,300
Indiana to close the gap. 
Actually, and may even put a 

738
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:43,600
little bit of gap between them 
and people behind them because 

739
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,800
you look at it, they play 
Minnesota this week, and that's 

740
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,300
on the road there. 
I use projected to win by 10. 

741
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,500
I'd be shocked if they won by 
that many Just because you know,

742
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,800
Minnesota, while they are, and 
this isn't even a barn thing 

743
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:02,200
Minnesota's not so bad that they
don't show up in every game they

744
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,400
want at Ohio State. 
They were relatively close on 

745
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,200
the road and Ann Arbor this past
weekend. 

746
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,100
They only lost by four. 
But then again, they've also 

747
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:12,500
gotten obliterated by Purdue. 
They got obliterated by 

748
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:14,300
Illinois. 
So, it's hard to tell with that 

749
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:16,500
team. 
You've got Ohio State at home 

750
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:19,600
and they just one, but they've 
also been in quite a swoon. 

751
00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:22,400
You've got Maryland on the road.
I've given up. 

752
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,000
I throw my hands up, trying to 
figure out that Maryland team, 

753
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,100
and then you've got Purdue and 
Rutgers. 

754
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,400
You're not, you're going to get 
up for both of those games at 

755
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,900
home at this point, given the 
history with Purdue and then the

756
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,800
situation with, with Rutgers, 
and they've been kind of the 

757
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,800
Bugaboo for this IU team for a 
while. 

758
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,900
But you, if you could win if you
win, you know, you're right now,

759
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:47,600
projected to win three of those 
games. 

760
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,300
Could you be, could you make it 
for, could you pick up, you 

761
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:55,600
know, a win. 
Are your projected to lose that 

762
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,300
Maryland and lose at Purdue you 
could win both of those. 

763
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:00,100
You might lose. 
You might not win all five but 

764
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:04,100
if you won four of the five, 
suddenly you are 8 and 5. 

765
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:09,600
And as you said suddenly the 
only team you play in the top 30

766
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,500
right now of Ken poverty earlier
this a the top 25 account pom is

767
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,200
that game at Purdue? 
It does open up a bit down the 

768
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,500
stretch but so much of it really
depends on. 

769
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,300
Can this IU team sustain the 
level of effort? 

770
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,100
They're giving and what we've 
seen in these last three games 

771
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:29,400
and then let the natural Talent 
start to shine through and then 

772
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,000
start to get some of these other
pieces back where you can play 

773
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,200
you've got race Thompson, but 
you don't have to play him, if 

774
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,400
he's not having a good night, 
you can play Malik renew or you 

775
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,600
can play Jordan Geronimo, things
like that. 

776
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,400
That's what I'm most interested 
in right now. 

777
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,900
And that's the thing. 
Ultimately only any of us know 

778
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,500
because we still haven't seen a 
large enough sample size out of 

779
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:49,800
this team to know that that's 
the mentality that they're going

780
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,100
to bring to the table. 
There's also This. 

781
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:54,700
I mean this is one of those 
things that really doesn't 

782
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:59,900
matter, but it does that, you 
know, there's a world. 

783
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:04,800
I mean, look at the real quick 
just, you know, produce next few

784
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,700
games, they play Michigan, the 
Michigan, say it home Penn State

785
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:12,000
at home in Indiana, they could 
very well still be, you know, 

786
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,200
unbeaten ranked number one in 
the country. 

787
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:18,300
But what we have in front of us 
is if we can win the Minnesota 

788
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:21,400
Ohio State human. 
The next three on a six-game 

789
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,500
winning streak Which would be 
one of the logging suddenly that

790
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:29,400
game against Purdue. 
You talk about an electric 

791
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,200
atmosphere. 
You're bringing a number one. 

792
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:34,900
Not that a loss would change 
that totally, but it's like it 

793
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:39,200
would if this team goes, 6 & 3, 
& 0 and they're on a six-game 

794
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,300
winning streak. 
I do think you're at an 

795
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:44,200
electricity level that's higher 
than last year's Purdue game 

796
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,600
like you're probably hitting 
Kentucky level you know, 

797
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,800
atmosphere that's going to be 
one of the toughest 

798
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,500
environments. 
Assembly Hall will ever put out 

799
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,100
in the last 15 or so years. 
When you rank number one Purdue 

800
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:02,900
team and an IU team on a so they
that is on the table as well. 

801
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:06,100
And it's not it's kind of 
nothing but it's not nothing. 

802
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,600
But there is something there 
that like that is something that

803
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,400
I think you know should be in 
the least in the back of the 

804
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,400
mine is like that would really 
amp that game up and make 

805
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,800
Assembly Hall just even that 
much harder to play a plus as a 

806
00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:18,300
guy, who's going to the game? 
I'd love to see a great 

807
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:20,400
atmosphere for that. 
Gave that be fun. 

808
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:25,100
Well, it's gonna be interesting 
because You look back at Uni, 

809
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:28,100
when you look at the way that IU
has won those sorts of games 

810
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:31,800
before, you know, they won the 
Purdue game last year. 

811
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:36,500
That was, that was a weird game 
in that, I you didn't get 

812
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:40,300
contributions out of most of 
their regular people trace 

813
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:42,000
Jackson. 
Davis had a horrible game that 

814
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,500
it that that game partner 
Stewart foul trouble. 

815
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:45,800
Yeah. 
Parker Stewart, didn't 

816
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,200
contribute, which I guess wasn't
that unusual and there were a 

817
00:41:48,207 --> 00:41:51,400
couple of other things where 
we're not getting ahead of 

818
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,800
ourselves but I guess you know. 
Point is, when you think about 

819
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,100
the way that Indiana had to win 
games like that last year, it 

820
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,400
always felt like someone had to 
come out of the woodwork and do 

821
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,100
something surprising like Rob 
finish, he did in that game. 

822
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,200
What where I would be excited if
you know if Indiana can pick up 

823
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:09,700
just a Minnesota win, even going
into the Ohio State game at 

824
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:13,900
home, on a four-game winning 
streak with a bunch of guys who 

825
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:17,900
have a gotten quality minutes, 
and be a bunch of guys who now 

826
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:21,000
realize that the weight of the 
world isn't on their shoulders, 

827
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:23,600
if they can't contribute with, 
The exception of Trace Jackson, 

828
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,700
Davis. 
I guess who want seems to want, 

829
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:32,100
he wants the smoke there now. 
It's like you're going to be 

830
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:35,400
able to go into that game. 
Knowing you've got seven or 

831
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,200
eight maybe even 9 players who 
could theoretically make 

832
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,600
contributions and, you know it 
and if one or two of them 

833
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,200
doesn't you've still got a bunch
of other people who can and 

834
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,000
that's essentially from my 
perspective as their games get 

835
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,700
tougher. 
That's the attitude that in And 

836
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:55,200
is going to have to have as they
go through things. 

837
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,800
That now, the nice thing about 
what just occurred is that I 

838
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:05,700
think I'll Indiana's, only got 
one more week exchange, where, I

839
00:43:05,707 --> 00:43:08,300
guess there's a couple of them 
sorry where they've got to play 

840
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:10,200
essentially three games in a 
week. 

841
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,000
They've got that at Michigan at 
Northwestern Illinois, combo, 

842
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,900
the 11th 15th and 18th two Road 
games there too, right? 

843
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,200
I guess they do the same thing 
in next week so just ignore 

844
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,200
everything I just said, but But 
you know, the the my point is it

845
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,700
actually, it bolsters, my point 
rather than taking away from it,

846
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:30,200
which is that this is 
essentially going to be down the

847
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,200
stretch as much as we hear 
coaches, rightfully complaining 

848
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:37,500
about the scheduling in the Big 
Ten and how how difficult it is 

849
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:40,900
for teams to regroup and how 
they have to constantly play. 

850
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:45,400
All these games, Indiana is more
suited to do that. 

851
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,300
Now, then I think they were at 
the end of their big winning 

852
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:53,300
streak in December because, you 
know, now, Malik renews It looks

853
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:55,900
like over his mini bump in the 
road. 

854
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:58,600
Jordan Geronimo suddenly looks 
like a functional player. 

855
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,900
Yes, I know. 
He got into a lot of foul 

856
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:01,200
trouble in the Michigan State 
game. 

857
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,100
I don't think that was entirely 
his fault tomorrow. 

858
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:07,400
Bates, looks like he can 
contribute more, you know, and 

859
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,900
Dre Galloway. 
Looks like he can contribute 

860
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:13,900
more than he has, and that. 
And now, Jalen, atrophy know, I 

861
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:15,900
think looks a lot better 
overall. 

862
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:17,600
Yes, he's still got some 
deficiencies. 

863
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,000
He doesn't tell his defensive 
positioning. 

864
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,000
Is that great, A lot of the 
time, but He's not afraid to 

865
00:44:23,008 --> 00:44:25,400
score, he's not afraid to put 
the team on his back when 

866
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,400
necessary and he's also not 
afraid of being in an off ball 

867
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,600
position. 
All of those things are going to

868
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,900
help as Indiana has to go 
through this churn of the 

869
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:36,500
February schedule. 
You know, this is always been a 

870
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:39,600
rough time or not. 
All the, not always, but in 

871
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,000
recent times it's been a rough 
time. 

872
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:45,100
The last time, Indiana finished 
a February with a winning record

873
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:49,500
in the Big Ten was 2018 and they
were four and three, if you look

874
00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:55,200
at the records at Indiana's had 
since 2017, In February, in 

875
00:44:55,207 --> 00:44:56,900
2017. 
They were two and six in 

876
00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:01,600
February with a five-game losing
streak, they were 2018 in excuse

877
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,200
me, they were four and three and
2018, they were two and five 

878
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,100
with a five-game losing streak 
in February and 2019. 

879
00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:10,100
They were three and four and 
2020. 

880
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,900
They were three and five in 2021
with a three-game losing streak.

881
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:17,000
And then last year, they were 
two and five in February with a 

882
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,400
five-game, losing streak. 
So, but I feel right now and 

883
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,800
I'll probably, Maybe I'll regret
these words later, but I feel 

884
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,900
like right now, the way this 
team is playing right now, there

885
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:31,700
are they're probably better 
prepared to go into February 

886
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:34,900
than they have been in the last 
several seasons. 

887
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,400
And that's been desperately 
needed, that's been one of the 

888
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,500
biggest issues that needed to be
fixed. 

889
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,000
We'll see what happens. 
But at least it looks like 

890
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,400
Woodson's put the team in 
position to potentially fix that

891
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,900
as they head into this February.
No, I about to say the same 

892
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:52,700
thing to like it's about right 
now, like we're still We're 

893
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:55,900
still gonna be so can't be like 
I I have faith that we're still 

894
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:59,900
a little bit you know, scared to
trust but I hear you and the 

895
00:45:59,900 --> 00:46:03,400
thing with, you know, it's kind 
of like in my mind where we're 

896
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,900
at now is between you know, 
Jordan Geronimo Trey Galloway 

897
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:11,000
and Tamar Bates is like you just
need two of those three guys to 

898
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,900
kind of show up and it's been 
kind of a rotating of, you know,

899
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:17,100
one of may not show up but even 
the Michigan State game. 

900
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:19,600
I wouldn't say that Jordan 
Geronimo didn't show up at stat 

901
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,300
line wasn't great, but when he 
played, he was Active. 

902
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:26,700
He was on the offensive boards, 
a he was causing, you know, 

903
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:30,300
problems for Michigan State. 
He just wasn't having as good of

904
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:33,400
a game as tree Galloway and 
tomorrow, Bates. 

905
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,000
And I can as long as two of 
those three guys are kind of 

906
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,700
coming in and playing. 
Well, I agree with you and what 

907
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:41,200
it also opens up. 
I'm not you're going to roll 

908
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,300
your eyes if you want to hear 
this. 

909
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:46,400
But it's like I do think what it
also then helps out as, you 

910
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,800
know, in this Swoon against 
Northwestern just for example, 

911
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,100
you know, CJ gun played 15 
minutes, Play well but it's like

912
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,400
this is where now to your point 
of the weight of the world on 

913
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,100
the shoulders, like that was 
kind of at a point where it's 

914
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:02,200
like, all right, we need 
something at a Siege a gun and 

915
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,400
then Northwestern game and it's 
like he wasn't quite ready to 

916
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,200
provide it because he's a 
freshman. 

917
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,400
It's like it hasn't happened 
there. 

918
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:09,900
Now we're at a point where like 
he played the Michigan State 

919
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:13,100
game, have you know five minutes
to points like great like over 

920
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:15,100
143 maybe next time that 30 go 
down. 

921
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:19,500
It's like this is where if he 
pops that it's a great this is 

922
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:21,600
all gravy. 
It's like that's where suddenly 

923
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,200
now it's no longer. 
Anger like we need CJ gun to 

924
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,500
actually bring something. 
It's like throwing for a couple 

925
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:28,000
minutes and if he's hot that's 
awesome. 

926
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,200
If he's not, we're going back to
our bread and butter but honest.

927
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,900
No. 
I mean like it's it's it's it 

928
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:34,700
takes it. 
It puts him in a spot where he 

929
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:38,300
can be successful that and just 
you know, got in particular is 

930
00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:40,300
an interesting case because 
people have been clamoring for 

931
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:43,000
gun to play, right? 
And his stats. 

932
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:44,400
He's not ready. 
I'm not saying that. 

933
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,900
He's not, he's not ready to make
major contributions of minutes 

934
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:50,700
and I wish people would stop 
saying that he's somehow like 

935
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:54,700
the the, the answer to Problems 
that Indiana was having like CJ 

936
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:57,100
and at this is not a dump on CJ 
gun thing. 

937
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:59,700
It's just an illustration of 
like some guys aren't ready yet.

938
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:04,700
CJ gun is hitting eight percent 
from three this season. 9, if 

939
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:09,200
you round up, he's 2423 on 
Three's, he's 48 percent from 

940
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,400
two. 
He's, he isn't, you know, the 

941
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,100
nice thing about gun and where 
he does provide value for IU. 

942
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:21,100
Is that he's not turning the 
ball over very much at all and 

943
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:23,900
if he can come in and And what 
he's done in the last four 

944
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:26,200
games, you get past that 
Northwestern game, he played 

945
00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:29,300
nine minutes against Penn State,
nine minutes against Wisconsin, 

946
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,400
eight minutes against Illinois, 
five minutes against Michigan 

947
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,400
State. 
He didn't take a lot off the 

948
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,500
table in any of those games and 
he spelled Galloway, Bates, Hood

949
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:42,100
Shafi know. 
So they could get a few minutes 

950
00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:45,300
rest and then come back in and 
be fresher. 

951
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,300
That's ultimately, the best case
scenario right now for CJ gun 

952
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:51,400
and that is, he desperately 
needed thing that Indiana has 

953
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,600
not had In any numbers over the 
course of the last several 

954
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,600
years. 
I think, especially in the 

955
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,500
backcourt. 
I mean, you look at last year, 

956
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:02,300
they were asking, Anthony Leo to
do that. 

957
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:05,000
And Leo, just isn't physically 
capable right now because of the

958
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,600
injuries, I think to do it, you 
know. 

959
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:12,500
But like Rob fennessy would come
in and try to provide that, but 

960
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:16,200
it really, it was almost like he
was getting relied on too much 

961
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,500
and there wasn't a clear 
hierarchy of like how all this 

962
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:21,100
was supposed to fit together and
that was me like point you 

963
00:49:21,107 --> 00:49:22,600
mentioned like the Purdue Ooh, 
win. 

964
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,200
Last year was because fantasy 
had a great game which he did 

965
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,200
but it's like fantasy was 
getting 33% of minutes last year

966
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,200
like he was he was getting, you 
know, 19% of possession that he 

967
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,700
wasn't a random role player. 
He was our backup point guard 

968
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,700
who is getting almost 20% of 
possessions going through him. 

969
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:41,100
It's like that's somebody. 
You should be having good games,

970
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:42,600
not that. 
We hope it's like that's where I

971
00:49:42,607 --> 00:49:44,500
just look at. 
Like this is where you're kind 

972
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,400
of putting now gun in that spot 
where he's able to pop, that's 

973
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,900
just a complete bonus. 
Whereas last year you're looking

974
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:53,700
at guys who needed to pop it. 
That's because our guys were 

975
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:57,200
basically kind of important 
players on the team now. 

976
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,200
I'm with you as and I preface 
everything, the way you do look 

977
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,400
as they are playing now, 
assuming they continue to play 

978
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,800
this way but like we saw like 
they got out of the Swoon, I'm 

979
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,900
always nervous like is is that 
going whatever caused that are. 

980
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:14,800
We sure that we put that to bed 
and that's not going to be 

981
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:18,200
coming back because it seemed to
be across everything. 

982
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,000
Like the coaching seem to be a 
little bit slow like that. 

983
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,800
I think it was the The Illinois 
game or like we go down 40 and 

984
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,100
then what's it called? 
A quick timeout, like, yes, 

985
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,500
like, that's great. 
Like this booth could have been 

986
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:33,500
helpful three games ago, it's 
like everything seems to have 

987
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:37,600
changed and like that's my only 
fear is that it got it went so 

988
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,300
kind of static and soaked 
comatose so quickly across 

989
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:45,600
everything like is I'm I just 
I'm always going to be a little 

990
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,000
bit worried this year until it 
doesn't happen again and that's 

991
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,200
going to be kind of where I'm at
but I will. 

992
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,600
I end on a positive note, if 
they continue to play this way 

993
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,000
with this intensity? 
Yeah, I don't think, you know, 

994
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,700
1112 even 13 wins. 
The Big 10 is off the table. 

995
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,800
The last thing I'll say, also, I
think ending on a positive note 

996
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,800
is there's clearly not. 
I, I mean, look Purdue keeps 

997
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,100
winning these games, real close.
I mean, you know, they got a lot

998
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:17,400
of help from the referees and 
that Maryland game. 

999
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,400
I mean, they probably would have
won anyway, but the way that 

1000
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,400
game was officiated, did not 
help. 

1001
00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:25,400
You know, they barely beat 
Michigan State on the road. 

1002
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,500
They barely beat. 
Oh, hi, he suddenly had no 

1003
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:29,500
fouls, only had no foul rocket 
know. 

1004
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:33,500
It's amazing that the Ed has 
been no Pals eat. 

1005
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:37,800
He's been called for one point 
nine thousand per 40 minutes, 

1006
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,600
which is not only 200 and third 
in the nation, its fewer fouls 

1007
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:46,200
than like most of produced 
guards are getting called. 

1008
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,400
For it's it's an 8:30, fans are 
listening. 

1009
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,000
Like remember this, when you get
em you lose in the sweet 16 What

1010
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,200
he has three quick fouls. 
Like just remember this like 

1011
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,000
this is why you're not being 
prepared so look but I think 

1012
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,500
Purdue is done enough that and 
they look pretty deserves. 

1013
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:03,500
A lot of credit. 
They have they have a great 

1014
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:06,700
offense and they have a very 
good defense and you look at the

1015
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:09,700
rest of their schedule. 
There's some trip up games. 

1016
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,500
It's going to be interesting to 
watch what happens with 

1017
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:14,200
Dickinson versus ET in the 
Michigan game. 

1018
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,200
That comes up this Thursday. 
I think Indiana is going to be a

1019
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,000
really tough spot for them to 
try to win. 

1020
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,800
They got us going to go to 
Maryland, but by and large, Like

1021
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,100
they look like they're going to 
Coast to about a 15 and 5 16 and

1022
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:29,200
4 record. 
It's really hard to see what 

1023
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,800
they do because the Big Ten has 
prostrated themselves to the way

1024
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,700
that Purdue plays basketball. 
This slow methodical game where 

1025
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:38,800
it's impossible for their 
leading offensive. 

1026
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,600
Player to commit a foul. 
I would win a lot of games doing

1027
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,200
that too. 
I think everybody would so 

1028
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:46,900
congratulations to them. 
They also randomly don't play at

1029
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:48,800
Rutgers, they seem to be 
truckers like everybody else but

1030
00:52:48,808 --> 00:52:50,200
they don't play their there, but
either. 

1031
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,200
But my larger point is if you 
take Purdue off, And just say, 

1032
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,400
all right, produce going to win 
the regular season title in the 

1033
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,300
big time. 
That's fine. 

1034
00:52:56,700 --> 00:53:00,500
There's no reason at this point.
Why Indiana can't be second 

1035
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:03,000
third or fourth in conference? 
Because right now, Indiana is 

1036
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,200
one game out of second place in 
conference as of when we're 

1037
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,200
taping this, which is Monday 
early evening, Rutgers is 5 and 

1038
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,500
3 Michigan's 5 & 3, Wisconsin's,
4, and 3. 

1039
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:15,900
Michigan. 
State's 5 and 4. 

1040
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:18,700
And then Indiana, Illinois, Iowa
and Penn State are all four and 

1041
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:23,100
four and there is no clear. 
Clear. 

1042
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:28,500
See didn't to that. 
Second spot even Rutgers who has

1043
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:31,800
played very well Rutgers. 
You know, it's funny. 

1044
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,100
You look at the the numbers 
Rutgers has been about as good 

1045
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,900
as Indiana slightly worse and 
they've done it. 

1046
00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:41,500
With one of the worst effective 
field goal percentage is on 

1047
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:45,400
offense in the entire nation. 
Like they're shooting 44.3% 

1048
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,700
effective field goal percentage 
which is almost impossible to 

1049
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:49,500
do. 
Like you have to almost try to 

1050
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:52,500
be that bad at shooting. 
It's hard to see that. 

1051
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:55,200
Sustaining even though their 
defense is as good as it is. 

1052
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,900
So I say all that to say that 
despite now the season started 

1053
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:02,500
to the door, how January 
started, I guess in the Big Ten 

1054
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,100
Indiana is still in really good 
shape and to some degree, 

1055
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,500
they're able to be in good 
shape. 

1056
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:12,700
While being below the national 
radar, they weren't ranked again

1057
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:16,000
this week, they were 27th if you
were counting the also receiving

1058
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,800
votes, which is a great spot for
them to be in. 

1059
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,800
I think if they have another 
really good week, they'll 

1060
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,600
probably get ranked again. 
Which, you know, whatever if in 

1061
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,200
their lower, reaches the top 25.
It's not that big of a deal, but

1062
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,000
there's no reason why Indiana 
can't position themselves? 

1063
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,100
Well, get a double by or at 
least a single by in the Big Ten

1064
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:38,600
tournament and be in a position 
where they you know they're 

1065
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:42,400
there at. 
I don't know 21 and nine or 20 

1066
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,900
20 and 10 going into the NCAA 
tournament or something around 

1067
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:49,300
that point. 
The other thing I'll say is that

1068
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:52,500
nationally speaking there are no
onions. 

1069
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:56,200
Like Invincible teams none and 
everybody's having some kind of 

1070
00:54:56,207 --> 00:54:58,300
issues Houston just lost at home
to Temple. 

1071
00:54:58,300 --> 00:55:00,700
I still think Houston's fine 
Tennessee. 

1072
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:03,200
They have a great defense and 
sometimes their offense just 

1073
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,500
doesn't work, you know, Alabama 
is, you know I think a really 

1074
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:08,800
good team. 
They might be my pick for the 

1075
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,600
best overall team in the country
right now, but we've seen as I 

1076
00:55:11,607 --> 00:55:14,600
mentioned at the top of the 
podcast with UConn, we've seen 

1077
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,000
with Marquette, we've seen with 
Kansas whose on a two-game 

1078
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,300
losing streak. 
You know we've your gets hot and

1079
00:55:20,308 --> 00:55:21,100
they lose. 
Yeah. 

1080
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,700
There's there's just There's so 
much churn right now. 

1081
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,900
And there's so many teams that 
have big question marks that I 

1082
00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:31,100
look at Indiana. 
And I say if they can play, like

1083
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:33,200
they played the last three 
games, and I think it's a decent

1084
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,900
enough. 
Sample size moving forward, and 

1085
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:38,700
they add their pieces back. 
And now they're younger pieces. 

1086
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:41,700
Have all of this experience to 
go along with their older pieces

1087
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:44,600
coming back. 
That's a team that's in a pretty

1088
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,800
good position and I'm not 
predicting like anything, big 

1089
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,600
level, but I'm just saying be 
careful to Discount. 

1090
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:56,200
Indiana even, New Indiana fans. 
When you look around the country

1091
00:55:56,900 --> 00:55:59,700
Indiana's in pretty good shape, 
with what they've done this 

1092
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:04,000
season taken in totality. 
They don't have any bad losses. 

1093
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:08,300
I mean, really, they haven't the
one game that would be kind of 

1094
00:56:08,308 --> 00:56:10,400
an embarrassment, is the gain 
that Penn State. 

1095
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,400
That's a place where a lot of 
teams are going to lose this 

1096
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,500
year. 
So just don't get too harsh on 

1097
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,000
this Indiana team and let's see 
how things play out because 

1098
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,400
they've at least positioned 
themselves. 

1099
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,800
Now, where you do have 
permission to believe again that

1100
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,000
this team has A high ceiling and
it's almost kind of hilarious, 

1101
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:29,700
how down than that. 
The national median college 

1102
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:32,100
basketball decided to get on 
this Indiana team will, maybe 

1103
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:34,700
they'll be right? 
Ultimately, and we were down on 

1104
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:36,500
them as well. 
Maybe, maybe that part of the 

1105
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:39,000
podcast will be right, but it 
doesn't necessarily have to be 

1106
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,800
that way, given how they've 
resurrected themselves the last 

1107
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,700
week or so to other things in 
the Big Ten? 

1108
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:47,800
Just as you were talking, I 
pulled up the Big Ten Conference

1109
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,400
on Ken pom and again projections
or not but you know anything but

1110
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:54,800
I've never seen this. 
So at the top you have Purdue 

1111
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,500
projected at 16 and for Rutgers 
protected at 13 and 7 at the 

1112
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:01,800
bottom you have Nebraska 
projected at 7 and 13 and 

1113
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,700
Minnesota, 3 and 17, everybody 
else they should be clean slate.

1114
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:10,300
Almost everyone else is 10 and 
10, except for Indiana Illinois.

1115
00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:12,800
Who are projected 11 and 9? 
Yeah, that's like, that's the 

1116
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,100
entire conference. 
Just kind of like a shrug Emoji.

1117
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:16,700
Like, I don't know. 
We'll figure it out and it's 

1118
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:19,000
funny because I kind of thought 
about this this morning, I was 

1119
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,400
talking with another friend and 
just like, you know, you know, 

1120
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:24,700
Indiana in the tournament is 
kind of kicking around, looking 

1121
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:26,500
around the Big Ten. 
It's like, all right, for news 

1122
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:28,700
in the tournament Rutgers is 
going to be and they'll be under

1123
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:30,300
seated. 
I guarantee you they'll be like 

1124
00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:33,700
a seven seed and shouldn't be. 
But then like just just to kind 

1125
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:36,100
of again, I'm not saying any of 
these things are true, but just 

1126
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:40,100
as looking at the Big Ten, not 
be kind of illustrating on your 

1127
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:42,100
point. 
You know, you look at the rest 

1128
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:43,400
of the big Ten's like right. 
Michigan. 

1129
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:45,200
I can see a world where they 
don't make it. 

1130
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,400
Like I mean, they're they're 
struggling. 

1131
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,900
Wisconsin, I'll do that. 
Seems good like Michigan State, 

1132
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:50,400
I think will make the 
tournament. 

1133
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:55,300
I think Indiana will Illinois. 
Probably Iowa, I don't know, 

1134
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:57,900
Penn State maybe like 
Northwestern Ohio State, Ohio. 

1135
00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:00,600
Like it's like you look around. 
It's like this, could it won't 

1136
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,300
be, but it's like this could be 
a 5 bid League this year. 

1137
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,100
There's just, there's a lot. 
I'm not saying that will be, but

1138
00:58:06,100 --> 00:58:09,100
if there's a lot of question 
marks in to your point outside 

1139
00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:11,900
of Purdue, which sucks, we got 
to play him two more times. 

1140
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:14,800
But again, that game in Assembly
Hall is going to be electric no 

1141
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,700
matter what. 
So that's going, it's like, 

1142
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:20,500
that's a big Advantage for 
Indiana, the rest of the team's 

1143
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:21,400
know schedule, like there's no 
one. 

1144
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,800
I'm really scared of ya. 
I mean, I'll say this right now,

1145
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,500
if the tournament draw were held
today, Michigan would not make 

1146
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:29,400
it their best wins away from 
home are a neutral site win 

1147
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,500
against Pitt and a road win at 
Minnesota and they have no other

1148
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:36,200
choice schedule is bizarre ons, 
it's awful, you know, I think 

1149
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,100
Wisconsin is probably going to 
be in good shape. 

1150
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:40,600
They've got a couple of nice 
Road wins against Marquette and 

1151
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,600
Illinois, but they've got to 
start winning some games 

1152
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,400
because, I mean, right now 
they've lost three of their last

1153
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,500
four. 
And they've got some pretty 

1154
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:51,800
difficult matchups in terms of 
location, coming up the rest of 

1155
00:58:51,808 --> 00:58:55,400
the way. 
Um, Michigan state will be fine,

1156
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,800
but, but even Michigan State. 
I mean, you look at their 

1157
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,800
resume, like their best. 
When there's a Kentucky team on 

1158
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,400
in a neutral site in over double
overtime, that probably is going

1159
00:59:04,408 --> 00:59:06,500
to make the tournament. 
Least, it's things stand right 

1160
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:07,600
now. 
I mean, Kentucky might work 

1161
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,700
their way back into it but 
that's not the best way is 

1162
00:59:09,700 --> 00:59:12,200
probably Rutgers at home or Penn
State on the road. 

1163
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,400
Yeah, so point being yes and you
look at Indiana and Indiana's. 

1164
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,400
Got I don't think any concerns 
in that area would they've got 

1165
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,700
to True Road victories. 
He's that will travel really 

1166
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:26,600
well, and I think what's going 
to be interesting for this 

1167
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,500
Indiana team is, what else can 
they add to the resume? 

1168
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:30,900
The rest of the way in the 
conference? 

1169
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:33,700
They get two shots at Purdue. 
They get a shot at Ohio State, 

1170
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:35,700
who's regarded. 
Well, they have another shot on 

1171
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:39,300
the road against Michigan State.
They get Michigan twice. 

1172
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:41,600
They get Northwestern again that
then they could, you know, 

1173
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,600
essentially make up for the loss
that they had in a win a game. 

1174
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,200
That would ironically help them 
more towards seeding, if they 

1175
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,600
were to win at Northwestern than
winning at home against 

1176
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,500
Northwestern would've. 
So I think Indiana's. 

1177
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:56,900
I say it's a great Point. 
Our resume is is probably might 

1178
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:58,800
be second best in the Big Ten. 
That's a great Point. 

1179
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,600
Yeah, so something to keep in 
mind and think about obviously 

1180
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,700
Indiana needs to take care of 
business and they'll do that 

1181
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:05,200
story. 
You gotta continue winning, 

1182
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,600
that's a big and you start off 
against a Minnesota team that by

1183
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,800
every metric, this game against 
Minnesota on Wednesday is the 

1184
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,400
easiest game remaining on 
Indiana's schedule. 

1185
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,300
It's a Minnesota team that 
doesn't score and does a pretty 

1186
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:22,200
poor job of Defending. 
They are particularly bad. 

1187
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:25,500
Pending to point, excuse me, 
defending the three-point shot 

1188
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:27,600
and that probably feeds in well 
to what Indiana is doing. 

1189
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,900
They also have tended to put 
their opponents in position 

1190
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:35,300
where they can get a lot of 
assists on made baskets and 

1191
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:38,200
that's what Indiana does really.
Well, that's where it's got to 

1192
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,200
start. 
You win that game. 

1193
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,900
It's another road Victory, which
that's always big in the 

1194
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:45,800
conference and now you're 5. 
And for your above 500 going 

1195
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,400
into a home game against Ohio 
State, a team that you should be

1196
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,500
able to beat. 
If you're serious about having a

1197
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:54,700
winning record in this, 
Conference and that is that's a 

1198
01:00:54,707 --> 01:00:56,600
spot. 
I don't think anybody expected 

1199
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,400
to be in coming out of that Penn
State game on, you know, 

1200
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,000
Wednesday, January 11. 
So we'll enjoy seeing what goes 

1201
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,700
with all that, but that's kind 
of where we're at right now and 

1202
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:08,900
there's not a whole lot else to 
say at this point other than 

1203
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:11,600
it's been a wild ride so far. 
This January. 

1204
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,400
Let's see where it takes us the 
rest of the way. 

1205
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:15,900
Yep, a great anyway. 
That'll wrap it up for us here 

1206
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:18,100
in Crimson cast. 
Thanks to everybody for 

1207
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:21,400
listening in. 
Be sure to check out the women's

1208
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,500
basketball show with them. 
An of foster that will be coming

1209
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:26,800
up on Tuesday as the ladies with
a couple of big games this week 

1210
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,600
taking on Michigan and Ohio 
State, Ohio State Games, huge 

1211
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,900
home game against the number two
team in the conference or excuse

1212
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:36,000
me, the country. 
So, we'll see what happens with 

1213
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,200
all that. 
Anyway for Scott, I'm Galen 

1214
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,800
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1215
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,300
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1216
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:46,400
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1217
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,200
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1218
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,800
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1219
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