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Welcome back to. 

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Crimson cast Galen Clavio 
joining you here solo March 

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10th, Monday Championship week, 
the best time of the year. 

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Looking forward to watching all 
of the basketball, including 

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tonight. 
We've had some great games 

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already, had a few people, teams
already clinched their spot, and

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hopefully the week will conclude
with IU getting back into the 

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NCAA tournament. 
All signs point to that being a 

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likelihood. 
We're going to talk about the 

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bracket as it currently stands. 
I'm also going to talk a little 

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bit about the coaching search 
and I think there'll be some 

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things here that hopefully will 
tide you folks over until the 

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next update, which I think is 
probably going to come 

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Wednesday. 
I think Scott and I will be back

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to preview the Indiana Oregon 
game at that point. 

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But, you know, I wanted to 
tackle a few items that I 

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thought were noteworthy on the 
bracket front. 

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Many of you watched the live 
podcast that I did on Sunday 

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morning. 
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recording of that so it wouldn't
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it didn't get released on the 
feed. 

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So if you are and this isn't, I 
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effort for me to get you to go. 
To the YouTube. 

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Channel, I can't get the thing 
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Music the way that it is right 
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And so I'm redoing parts of that
podcast and I also have a reset 

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of the bracket that I did later 
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which I think actually gives a 
more accurate picture of where I

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believe things to be right now. 
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that. 
We're going to talk about the 

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bracket. 
I'll be using some video stuff. 

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So if you're on Spotify or if 
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you want to go and tune over 
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Otherwise, I will do my best to 
describe as I always do, and I 

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appreciate you folks being along
for the ride as we talk about 

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Indiana's prospects for the 
tournament and some of the 

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things they need to look about, 
look at and think about over the

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course of these next few days. 
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that have been cleared, which is
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There's a few more to clear, but
I do think Indiana's going to be

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in good shape by the end of the 
week if things stand the way 

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that we think that they're going
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All right, let's dive in first 
and foremost to where the 

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bracket currently sits and where
IU is, at least in my opinion, 

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in terms of that bracket. 
So I'm going to call up my handy

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dandy spreadsheet here that many
of you have gotten used to and 

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we'll kind of walk through what 
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So let me start off with a 
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First of all, I have Indiana, 
like I said in the field, I have

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them as the first team out of 
the buys or out of the the the 

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last four in. 
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Indiana's essentially 5th into 
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My line up, the four, the last 
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I'm gonna zoom in on this a 
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We have Xavier is the last team 
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We have North Carolina as a 
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seem to be alone on North 
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tournament island. 
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believing a team with North 
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any high level wins, is gonna 
get left out of the tournament 

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field. 
I would love to be proven wrong.

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I really have no great love for 
the North Carolina case this 

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year, given how bereft they are 
of top level wins and how bad 

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the ACC was. 
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get in ahead of like an Ohio 
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Colorado State or a or AUC 
Irvine. 

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Which is a shame 'cause I'd I'd 
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those teams instead of North 
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But it's a business. 
So San Diego State also in the 

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play in games, they've dropped 
quite a bit lately, largely 

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because of a lack of high level 
quality wins. 

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And then Oklahoma as the best of
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And then I've got Indiana, 
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next group would be Utah State 
and Vanderbilt would be the next

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4 at larges because even though 
I've got UC San Diego, VCU, both

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above Arkansas and Indiana, 
they're both automatic bids at 

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this point. 
This is going to be one of the 

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things that's going to be 
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What does the tournament 
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particular cluster of smaller 
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And really we're talking about 
New Mexico, who I have his ten 

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seed, Drake, who is A10 seed but
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State, VCU and UC San Diego. 
What, what do they do with this 

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'cause if you look at their 
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have better overall profiles 
than the big conference teams 

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ahead of them or in ahead of 
them in a lot of people's 

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brackets. 
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historically liked to reward 
teams like Drake who win 2829 

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thirty games if they win their 
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that also has a seat attached to
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seat. 
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got a couple of wins against 
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Vanderbilt. 
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Kansas State was not very good 
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propel them even higher And and 
honestly VC us got a pretty good

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resume. 
UC San Diego's got a really good

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resume, although they don't have
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State has a pretty good resume 
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So I wouldn't be shocked to see 
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range. 
Indiana, if they if, let's put 

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it this way, I think the Indiana
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anywhere on a spectrum between 
the 10 seed, the 11 seed and the

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12 seed slash play in games, 
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that group of four to five teams
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If they deem Drake and VCU and 
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worse than the power conference 
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of things. 
A, they're really valuing quad 

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one and quad two wins, which 
Indiana has a bunch of, Arkansas

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has a bunch of, and B, that they
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of the other power metrics. 
This is always a bit of a 

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complicated scenario because 
ultimately it changes from year 

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to year. 
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this a lot with the the way that
the tournament committee 

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composition tends to sway from 
game to gay or game to game, 

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game year to year, because the 
composition of the committee 

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changes, the committee votes 
change and the field is 

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different every year. 
Like, you know, this year 

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everybody complaints about how 
bad the bubble is every year. 

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I think the bubble's fairly 
clear cut this year. 

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Like there just aren't a lot of 
teams in competition. 

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But I think you can make a good 
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Like I don't feel unclean for 
putting Xavier in North 

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Carolina. 
I don't like the fact that North

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Carolina's in the field, but I 
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I understand the case. 
There's been years where I've 

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been like, I have no interest 
whatsoever in putting any of 

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these teams in the field. 
Last year was kind of like that.

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But you know, this year I don't 
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And it kind of illustrates the 
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often has where you can't 
necessarily make an apples to 

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apples comparison for what 
you're going to value as 

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criteria because you just don't 
know. 

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What the criteria is going to be
in a given year because the 

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field will look different. 
And we talked about this, I 

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think on a previous episode. 
But if you compare the like, let

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me call this up for those of you
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home, I think I've got like 
North Carolina, their resume and

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I'm going to call Indiana resume
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since we're all familiar with 
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And you know, you can make the 
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Carolina, they have, they have 
fewer quad one wins, they've 

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only got 1 quad one win, but 
they've got 8 quad 1 + 2 wins. 

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Indiana's got 4 quad one wins, 
but only 9 quad one plus quad 2.

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So not a whole lot of difference
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If you're going to expand it out
to that level, the strength of 

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schedule's about the same 
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Indiana's won five rodent 
neutral games, North Carolina's 

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won eight. 
That does matter to the 

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committee. 
Indiana's resume rating is about

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7 spots better on average than 
North Carolina's. 

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But North Carolina's 
predictives, their Ken Palm and 

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BPI and and Torvik ranks are 
about 15 spots higher than 

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Indiana. 
You know, North Carolina's got 

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one bad loss in quotes. 
It was a home loss to Stanford, 

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who's 82nd in the country and 
net. 

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It's not like they're a terrible
team and they lost by a point. 

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Indiana's got no bad losses, but
they've got 12 losses. 

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North Carolina's won 20 games. 
When I look at that like they're

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two very different resumes in as
much as one team has big, you 

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know, higher level wins. 
And I think Indiana's, you know,

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Indiana's got three wins on 
there, Michigan State, Purdue 

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and at Ohio State that are 
better wins than anything North 

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Carolina's got. 
But I look at all that and I say

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it's hard to compare the two 
because there's other metrics 

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that North Carolina comes in 
that are that are just better 

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than Indiana. 
Mostly the predictives cause 

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North Carolina's been a lot more
impressive in their wins and 

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they have lost some games they 
probably shouldn't have lost. 

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They took Michigan State to 
overtime on a neutral floor. 

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This is, trust me, this is not 
me stumping for North Carolina. 

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I just said I didn't want to put
them in. 

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But they just, they played 
better against a lot of their 

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competition. 
They lost by three at Kansas. 

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You know, they lost by one point
at Wake Forest. 

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So that's why their predictives 
look better. 

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And the question every year is 
like, what is the committee 

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going to value and what will 
they devalue? 

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And ultimately, I think both of 
these teams will get in. 

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It's just the order that they go
in. 

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So like I mentioned, Drake. 
So if you punch Drake into the 

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mix, you know Drake's got five 
wins total against Tier 1 and 

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Tier 2, and their predictives 
are worse than Indiana's. 

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Indiana averages out to about 
A50 in the predictives. 

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Drake averages out to about a 
65.7. 

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Their strength of schedule's a 
lot worse than Indiana, but 

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their resume numbers are better 
than Indiana. 

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Not like tremendously, but a 
decent amount better. 

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But the committee also loves to 
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games and and reward them if 
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tournament. 
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sensation Drake's gonna end up 
as like a ten seed and 

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everybody's like they watch the 
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they were immediately like, oh, 
that's going to be my upset pick

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for the first draft. 
I would pump the brakes on that 

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a little bit and then I'll tell 
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about the coaching search, 
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You could kind of put things. 
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talk about there. 
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I just want to make sure 
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page now before I get into 
looking at what the, my bracket 

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right now looks like as of 
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I've had a lot of people say, 
well, Indiana really needs to 

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win at least one game in the Big
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they're going to get in. 
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going to say it again. 
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matter a lot less on average 
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committee than people think that
they do. 

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Media notice this, fans who pay 
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I've heard coaches mention it. 
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committee will very lightly take
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conference tournament's into 
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like seeding or being in or out 
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We talked you heard me the other
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I think talk about the example 
from 2122 where Indiana wins two

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games, almost beats Iowa in the 
semi final and then still ends 

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up in the play in game despite 
everybody thinking they were 

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going to be clear into the field
before the tournament even 

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started. 
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say, well, gosh, they they were 
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way in. 
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they were in as the play in and 
they didn't do that much. 

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That was that exemplary. 
That made the tournament 

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selection committee say, you 
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Indiana out of the play in game 
and put somebody else there. 

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So I think Indiana by beating 
Ohio State, sweeping that 

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series, getting to 19 wins, 
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conference, picking up a a quad 
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one. 
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themselves in a position where 
even if they lose to Oregon on 

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when on Thursday, I think 
they'll be fine. 

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they're going to be about 11 
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game, depending on what happens 
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But I've seen other projections 
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games. 
I think Joe Leonardi, who is not

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the most accurate of of 
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he's also not the worst. 
He had moved Indiana out of the 

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play in games and into a 
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That's pretty much what I did 
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And I've seen a lot of people 
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Most people have Indiana in the 
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Couple people have still got 
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them as a 10. 
So I think that's the range 

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you're talking about. 
And even if Indiana were to beat

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Oregon and beat Michigan State, 
I don't think it really improves

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their seating that much. 
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don't think it knocks them out 
of the tournament. 

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That's just and and that's hard 
for you to get their heads 

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wrapped around, but. 
The way the the selection 

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committee is generally gone 
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time the power conference 
tournaments really start to go, 

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they've already got a decent 
idea of what teams are going to 

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be in and more or less what 
order they're in. 

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And that's based upon a 30 to 
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One or two games in a tournament
where people aren't necessarily 

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going to care that much one way 
or the other. 

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Some teams just don't care. 
I mean, Michigan State, 

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ironically, potentially 
Indiana's Friday opponent, is a 

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team that notoriously does not 
really care that much about the 

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Big 10 tournament. 
They've had a couple of seasons 

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where they want it, but a lot of
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game that they play. 
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bit of skepticism built in as 
far as rapidly moving teams up 

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and down in the in the seating 
or putting a team in the field 

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or taking a team out of the 
field. 

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Baseball, what happens in a 
conference tournament that not 

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everybody's taking with the same
level of seriousness? 

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It's kind of like, I think I 
used the metaphor the last time 

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it was like bowl season where 
you know, every SEC fan when 

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their team loses in a bowl, 
they're like, well, we weren't 

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trying. 
And when they win, they're like,

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see, we were the best. 
It it's it's if you're smart, 

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you're just not really looking 
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arbiter of the strength of both 
teams, unless it's like the 

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College Football Playoff where 
you know that it's a playoff and

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there's a different 
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So anyway, with all that said, 
my advice is to go into the 

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Oregon game and enjoy it. 
Get up if you live in Indiana 

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or, or within a couple hour 
drive, buy tickets, go cheer on 

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Indiana. 
You know, it'd be great to watch

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Indiana win that Oregon game and
then go on a little bit of a 

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run. 
It it. 

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It just weirdly feels like the 
tournament bracket kind of set 

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up really well for Indiana 
because they get Oregon in the 

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first game. 
And we're going to preview this 

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more deeply on Wednesday. 
So I'll spoil that a little bit 

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now by saying I think Indiana's 
going to win the game. 

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The reason why is you've got an 
Oregon team that in a similar 

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vein to Indiana, is not going to
really benefit from doing 

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anything in this conference 
tournament. 

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Oregon is likely going to be in 
the 567 seed range. 

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They've got fourteen wins 
against Tier 1 opponents. 

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They have a great strength of 
schedule. 

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They their predictives are good,
their resumes awesome. 

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They've got some awesome wins. 
They beat Alabama on a neutral 

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floor. 
You know, they, they have a 

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bunch of Rd. wins. 
Nothing they do is going to 

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really affect their tournament 
seating or placement. 

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They're also going to be flying 
from the West Coast. 

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They're going to be playing that
game at 9:00 AM body clock time 

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the same week that daylight 
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So it's really still going to be
8:00 AM body clock time for 

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Oregon in that game. 
And they're going to be playing 

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in Indiana. 
Team that's played really well 

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has something to prove. 
It's going to be in front of a, 

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a relatively home crowd. 
And I think a, a, a team that 

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really does seem like they're 
focused on trying to send Mike 

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Woodson out on a positive note. 
And also a team that's kind of 

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pissed at how terribly 
officiated that game in Eugene 

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was. 
And by the way, Oregon is not 

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going to be bringing those 
officials with them, at least I 

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don't think so. 
All of those things put 

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together, I like Indiana's 
chances. 

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I don't think it's going to 
matter that much. 

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But I think it's it's a really 
good opportunity for Indiana to 

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win that game. 
And then you look down the 

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pathway and you get, well, 
Michigan State, who might care, 

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they might not. 
And then you've got UCLA or 

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Wisconsin in the next round. 
You Wisconsin has not been 

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playing great lately and UCLA is
beatable. 

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And who knows after that. 
So I it's a really fascinating 

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scenario for the Big 10 
tournament. 

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I'm looking forward to seeing 
what happens with it. 

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You know, as an IU fan, I'm 
never quite looking forward to 

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the Big 10 tournament because 
why would you as an IU fan, what

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what, what past evidence of, of 
like enjoyability has there been

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with the Big 10 Tournament for 
IU fans? 

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But as I was reminding somebody 
on Twitter yesterday, you have 

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to kind of get yourself out of 
the mindset of thinking IU is 

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going to suck or not try. 
Because outside of the one game 

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last year against Nebraska, IU 
has been competitive in every 

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Big 10 tournament game they've 
played under Mike Woodson. 

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They've won at least one game 
every year under Mike Woodson in

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the Big 10 Tournament. 
I would expect that streak to 

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continue this year as well. 
So looking at the bracket 

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overall, but before we split up,
so So again, these change and 

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this is just my pick of where I 
think things are gonna fall. 

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But looking at the I'm gonna 
call the bracket back up here 

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and and share it with everybody.
And it's a little hard to see 

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'cause it's tiny print, but I 
have Indiana in the South region

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as the 11 seed taking on Saint 
Mary's in the first round Which.

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But they're doing it in 
Providence, not in Portland. 

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And in this case, Indiana would 
not be repeating the scenario 

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from 2022 of winning a game on 
Tuesday in Dayton and then 

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having. 
Travel issues, let's put it 

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kindly, that leave them getting 
to Portland late and then 

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getting boat raced by Saint 
Mary's. 

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Different kind of game. 
I think Saint Mary's would still

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be favored and rightfully so, 
but I think Indiana would have a

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punch his chance in that one 
with a potential second round 

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matchup because Kentucky, 
assuming they can get by 

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Jacksonville State in my 
projected bracket. 

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So that would be quite a quite 
an experience if Indiana managed

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to to have that situation play 
out in that. 

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I've got the four one seeds, 
Auburn, Florida as my fourth 

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number one. 
I'm really back and forth on 

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them in Alabama and then Houston
and Duke is the other ones and 

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then in this bracket. 
You've got Creighton and Baylor 

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in the first round up in the 8-9
game, Ole Miss and Mcnees 

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fascinating game for a number of
reasons. 

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Arizona high point, Marquette 
Drake in the 710 game and then 

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Michigan State thousand in the 
215. 

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So you know these will change 
somewhat. 

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As you know, we get some tweaks 
to the upper level of of the 

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bracket, but I think Indiana 
fairly safely in that eleven 

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seed range right now. 
And I've been wrong before on 

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these, but I've also been right 
quite a bit. 

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So you know, I I just feel like 
Indiana getting to 19 wins is 

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good enough, especially the 10 
and 10 season. 

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Is it good enough for Indiana? 
No. 

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Is it good enough to get into 
the field this year? 

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I believe it is. 
So we'll see what happens with 

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that. 
But a lot of great basketball 

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remaining. 
We got a couple more automatic 

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bids being punched tonight and 
then obviously things will pick 

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up. 
I think the ACC tournament may 

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actually start tomorrow, 
Tuesday. 

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So Big 10 tournament starts 
Wednesday, IU plays Thursday. 

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It's gonna be a fun week of 
basketball. 

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So get out and enjoy it. 
Get out on a patio somewhere and

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drink some some beverages and 
watch the games. 

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I think you'll enjoy yourself. 
So before I finish up, I did 

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want to touch on some coaching 
search items and a bunch of 

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things going on right now in 
terms of like rumors flying 

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online and supposedly this coach
or that coach has said no to 

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Indiana and now they're moving 
down their list. 

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So there's a bunch of things I 
just want to say in in a row and

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we've we've talked a lot about 
the coaching search. 

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We've got another coaching 
candidates. 

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Cool. 
We're going to be bringing you 

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later on this week. 
I think you'll enjoy it. 

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But I would really be careful in
general about believing anything

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that you see right now that's 
being put out in any media area 

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that claims that a coach has 
turned Indiana down or is not 

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coming to Indiana because AI can
assure you nobody actually 

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knows. 
Most of what you're seeing out 

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there right now is things being 
pushed by agents, being pushed 

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by coaches themselves or people 
who don't actually know things, 

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claiming that they know things 
or maybe thinking legitimately 

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that they know things but not 
actually knowing things. 

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And getting too wrapped up in 
that, as I've seen a lot of 

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people doing on Twitter, on the 
message boards, you know, I, we,

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we've seen it in the back home 
network discord, some not, not 

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nearly as much because we've 
been trying to, you know, help 

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keep people a little calm. 
But you, you can't take these 

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reports seriously. 
Like when you know, the the one 

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that got everybody started was 
was the the Jeff Goodman tweet 

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about, well, you know, no, no 
Brad Stevens, no Dusty May, no 

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Scott Drew, no, no TJ 
Otzelberger as I expected, which

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don't get me started on that. 
But that that all may be true 

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today or yesterday. 
And I have no doubt that that 

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those coaches or their agents 
were, were contacted and they 

449
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said they're not taking the 
Indiana job. 

450
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,720
That doesn't necessarily mean 
that any of them isn't taking 

451
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,600
the Indiana job. 
But who's going to talk about it

452
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,160
right now? 
It's still the seasons, the 

453
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,160
middle of the season for pretty 
much everybody involved. 

454
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:36,760
IU still playing basketball. 
I I really have, Yeah. 

455
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,080
Having watched this for a long 
time, there's a there's a, 

456
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,600
there's a trajectory to these 
things that does not abide by 

457
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,840
the idea that you can 
definitively rule anybody. 

458
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,800
Out at any point and. 
Certainly right up to the point 

459
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,040
where you take a job, you can 
claim you don't have interest in

460
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,160
it. 
And I'm not saying any of those 

461
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,880
4 is necessarily going to take 
the job. 

462
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,840
But I'm also telling you there's
a chance any of those four could

463
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,880
still take the job even if they 
have said over the weekend that 

464
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,320
they're not interested in the 
job. 

465
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,920
You know, there's just, there's 
so many rumors floating around 

466
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,040
because this has been such a 
long process. 

467
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,480
And what I'd like everybody to 
think of is like a coaching 

468
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,560
search, especially one with this
time. 

469
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,160
Period where the. 
Opening got announced at the 

470
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,880
beginning of February and the 
season isn't going to end now 

471
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,240
until at least not this upcoming
weekend, but the weekend after. 

472
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,440
It's not like cooking a steak. 
It's like cooking a brisket. 

473
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,200
It's like smoking a brisket. 
You know, cooking a steak the, 

474
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,480
you know, you got to get the 
coals real hot. 

475
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,640
You throw the steak on the 
grill. 

476
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,440
You're not the steak's not there
for very long. 

477
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,400
I mean, there's methods where 
you could go a long time, but 

478
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,520
we're not going to. 
That's a culinary podcast, not a

479
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,480
basketball podcast. 
Brisket doesn't work that way. 

480
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,120
More briskets have been ruined 
by people thinking that you cook

481
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,320
them like steak and they're not 
steak. 

482
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,760
Like what makes a steak great is
that it doesn't have a lot of 

483
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:05,680
tough, fibrous muscle in it. 
You know, steak is cut from the 

484
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,800
parts of the cow that when you 
cook them over high heat for a 

485
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,680
short period of time, they're 
very tender. 

486
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,280
They're very flavorful that way.
Brisket might have the greatest 

487
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,640
flavor of of any part of the 
cow, but it's made-up of a type 

488
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,120
of muscle that if you cook it 
quickly, is inedible. 

489
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,160
Essentially, you have to cook it
for a long period of time at a 

490
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,040
very low temperature because 
that breaks down the collagen. 

491
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,240
And that's what makes brisket 
fall apart. 

492
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,880
That's what makes it tender. 
That's what gives it that great 

493
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,400
flavor. 
It's it's the breakdown of 

494
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,960
things over time. 
At low temperature, you heat 

495
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,840
things up too quickly, you're 
not going to get a very good 

496
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,400
piece of meat. 
The pork shoulder works the same

497
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,600
way. 
Like big difference between a 

498
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,600
pork chop and a pork shoulder. 
And I think, you know, we as 

499
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,760
human beings are very impatient 
and we're very prone to believe 

500
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,800
things that are placed in front 
of us and we want things to get 

501
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,800
done quickly. 
We, we want things to happen in 

502
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,120
a, in a very rapid order. 
But realistically speaking, with

503
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,680
a coaching search, even a 
regular sized coaching search, 

504
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,760
like a two week long coaching 
search, stuff doesn't happen 

505
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,320
overnight. 
Stuff doesn't happen quickly. 

506
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,600
And when you see things or hear 
things or things are placed in 

507
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,560
front of you about what's 
supposedly happening, especially

508
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,600
the place like Indiana where 
they run among the tightest 

509
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,240
ships in terms of of not 
actually letting what's going on

510
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,960
get out. 
You can pretty much be assured 

511
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,680
that what you're seeing and 
hearing is not what's actually 

512
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,440
going on. 
Now you'll, you know, this is 

513
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,120
where it gets tricky because you
know, people have to, you know, 

514
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,600
they, they, they'll, their job 
might be to report what they're 

515
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,280
hearing or report rumors or 
whatever. 

516
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,800
But as fans, you've just got to 
understand that there's 

517
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,360
sometimes just not a lot to talk
about. 

518
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,000
And the things that are out 
there may not actually be valid 

519
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,600
things to be following along 
with and probably aren't. 

520
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,800
And I think especially in a 
place like Indiana, as much as 

521
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,600
we want to engage in hearing 
what the rumors are and getting 

522
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,040
hyped up because a candidate we 
happen to like is in a rumor, 

523
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,480
there's a lot of wish casting 
that goes on with that. 

524
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,320
There's a lot of, oh, I really 
want that guy. 

525
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,880
And there's this rumor that says
that he's really interested in 

526
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,880
the job and they've got a 
contract already set. 

527
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,120
I mean, your, your mind 
immediately leads to that. 

528
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,840
What's been funny about this 
coaching search has been there's

529
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,560
some candidates that a lot of 
people don't like, but other 

530
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,040
people really do like. 
Obviously Chris Beard being one 

531
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,720
of them. 
We've talked about, you know, 

532
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,960
Brad Stevens was one that, you 
know, everybody, not most 

533
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,360
people, not everybody, but most 
people were excited about. 

534
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,840
But you end up with these 
factions and you're reacting to 

535
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,000
essentially nothing. 
You're reacting to rumors that 

536
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,680
don't have names attached to 
them that aren't necessarily 

537
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,200
substantive. 
And it's, it's a, it's a good 

538
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,280
way to keep people focused on 
the search, but it's not 

539
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,080
actually a good way to have them
interpret information in any 

540
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,360
sort of positive manner. 
And at least people getting 

541
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,720
upset and it leads to people 
saying dumb things. 

542
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,760
And you know, it. 
Like one of the big dumb things 

543
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,320
that I keep seeing is, well, 
this must not be a very 

544
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,560
attractive job because all these
people are turning Indiana down.

545
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,760
You don't know that anybody's 
turned Indiana down. 

546
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,280
And the people who are, are 
saying that XY or Z have turned 

547
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,600
Indiana down, they're, if they 
are getting that information, 

548
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,360
they're getting it from one side
of the information, which might 

549
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:26,720
have a vested interest in having
that be what's out there for a 

550
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,960
variety of reasons. 
And actually, if you haven't 

551
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,640
listened to the X's and Joe's 
podcast, the the episode they 

552
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,640
did with Ryan Phillips, he does 
a good job of, of delving into 

553
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,400
that where it's there are 
coaches and agents whose their 

554
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,760
role is to go out and get 
themselves an extension or get 

555
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,040
themselves into the the 
discourse around a coaching 

556
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,360
search without it necessarily 
being a thing that's actually 

557
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,800
happening. 
There are smokescreens that 

558
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,720
happen from the school side. 
I mean, there's a bunch of 

559
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,720
different things that go on. 
But with this particular search,

560
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,400
as it was with the IU football 
search, I think your best bet is

561
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,160
to assume you don't know 
anything. 

562
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,920
And the people who are claiming 
that they know things probably 

563
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,840
don't know anything either. 
I'm not saying they haven't 

564
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,400
heard things, but what they're 
hearing is not necessarily 

565
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,400
reliable information. 
Getting emotionally wrapped up 

566
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,440
in rumor is a bad way to go 
about things because it makes 

567
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,680
you either very frustrated with 
the school and the school's done

568
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,120
nothing wrong. 
The school's doing its due 

569
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,600
diligence. 
The athletic department is, is 

570
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,640
handling this the way that it 
should be handled and they're 

571
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,000
keeping it close to the vest and
they're working on. 

572
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,640
And who knows, they may already 
have somebody, They may not have

573
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,880
somebody yet, but they know who 
they're going to go after as 

574
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,400
soon as their seasons open. 
I mean, there's a bunch of 

575
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,400
different scenarios. 
Don't automatically opt for the 

576
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,080
scenario that I use getting 
turned down left and right by 

577
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,840
people because I can almost 
guarantee you that's not what's 

578
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,400
actually happening. 
Even if that's what people would

579
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,920
like you to think, that's 
probably not what's actually 

580
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,000
happening. 
So I just say that as a a 

581
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,920
reminder. 
Many of you already knew all of 

582
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,200
that, but there's no point in 
getting mad at IU right now for 

583
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,320
something you don't know. 
That's based on rumors that are 

584
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,080
being published based upon the 
information of people who won't 

585
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,440
put their names to the 
information. 

586
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,280
So be cautious. 
Would be my message to you. 

587
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,920
As far as some of the items 
other the other items I've seen 

588
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,080
regarding this coaching search 
that I think are important to 

589
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,280
keep in mind. 
A I've seen increasingly a lot 

590
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,120
of interest in Ben McCollum that
Drake and I made my feelings on 

591
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,880
Ben McCollum. 
I thought somewhat clear when we

592
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,720
talked about McCollum as one of 
the candidates a few weeks ago. 

593
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,880
But I've also seen those 
comments kind of misconstrued a 

594
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,160
bit. 
And I, I, I just want to clarify

595
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,200
a couple of things about 
McCollum in particular. 

596
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,080
So you know, Mccollum's Drake 
team is 30 and three. 

597
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,440
They're they're, they're 
actually 28 and three, because 

598
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,840
two of those wins are against 
non Division One teams. 

599
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,080
They beat York, Nebraska, and 
they beat St. 

600
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,240
Ambrose. 
If you can, dude, you can tell 

601
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,440
me where St. 
Ambrose is without looking it 

602
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,600
up. 
I will shout you out on the next

603
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,280
podcast. 
But you know, a very a very 

604
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,560
impressive season in terms of 
anytime you win 30 games, 28 

605
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,160
games, somewhere in that range, 
you're clearly doing a lot, 

606
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,600
right. 
I do think it's important to 

607
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,800
note a few things about Drake 
IA. 

608
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:28,000
Lot of my complaints in the 
initial podcast had to do with 

609
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,200
the pace that Drake is playing 
at, which is the slowest in 

610
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,720
Division One and it is 
significantly slower than the 

611
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,640
second slowest, like a standard 
deviation lower than the second 

612
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,480
slowest team. 
It's a very much on purpose. 

613
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,440
Now since then, I've had a lot 
of people say, oh, but it's not 

614
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,520
about the pace. 
Ben Mccollum's teams are just 

615
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,720
super efficient offensively. 
Sounds great. 

616
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,320
Except then you look at Ben 
Mccollum's team and in Kenpom 

617
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,200
and they're 81st in the country 
in offensive efficiency. 

618
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,360
I mean, that's that's. 
Fine, that's a top. 

619
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,480
I don't know. 
That's a top 30% offensive 

620
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,280
efficiency, top 25%. 
But I mean, last year when 

621
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,480
Darian Devries was the head 
coach at Drake, they were 40th 

622
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,200
in the country in offensive 
efficiency. 

623
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,840
So that they've, you know, and 
they, they were a full 2 like 

624
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,920
last. 
This year, Drake's offensive 

625
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,520
efficiency is 113. 
Last year it was 115.1, which is

626
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,600
a pretty significant change. 
So I don't really buy the idea 

627
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,520
that oh his his offense is hyper
efficient because we see young 

628
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,680
coaches with hyper efficient 
offenses that that show up in 

629
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,360
the stats. 
So a coach I keep seeing 

630
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,360
mentioned and I'm finally 
digging into him a bit more and 

631
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,920
I like what I see is Alan Huss, 
who coaches at high point. 

632
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,720
Alan Huss. 
Interesting pathway studied 

633
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,520
under Greg McDermott. 
He was an assistant coach at 

634
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,720
Creighton. 
He was the head coach at La 

635
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,920
Lumiere, which many of you will 
remember is where you got Haner,

636
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,400
Mascara, Perea and, and and 
other recruits from. 

637
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Was head coach of Culver 
Military Academy, played at 

638
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,680
Creighton. 
He's coaching at High Point. 

639
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,840
He's in his second season and in
the two seasons that he's been 

640
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,800
at High Point, he's had the 36th
most efficient offense in the 

641
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,560
country and now he's got the 
26th most efficient offense in 

642
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,400
the country. 
Last year, High Point 127 games.

643
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:24,160
This year they've won 29 games 
and they're going to the NCAA. 

644
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,240
They they clenched their bid on 
on Sunday, they beat Winthrop. 

645
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:32,520
So I I have no and and doesn't 
doesn't play that fast of a 

646
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,480
pace. 
I mean, they play 224, which is 

647
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,040
yeah, kind of median, certainly 
on the slower side of median. 

648
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,720
But you know, all the talk about
what a miracle Ben Mccollum's 

649
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,920
been, I'm like, well, OK, what 
are we judging that off of? 

650
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,880
Most of it's the D2 national 
championships. 

651
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,200
What I just don't think is, is 
that I mean, it's impressive. 

652
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,520
The four national championships 
at any level is impressive. 

653
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:02,040
But my big concern is let's get 
a little more background at D1, 

654
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,240
even an extra season to say is 
this a fluke? 

655
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,320
Is this just you bringing your 
guys in 'cause you're not going 

656
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,760
to be able to bring your guys 
with you to the next stop cause 

657
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,920
most of them will have graduated
by this point? 

658
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,520
That's that's the thing. 
I mean, could McCollum end up 

659
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,840
being an amazing coach at the D1
level, at the high D1 level, the

660
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,440
power conference level? 
Sure, possibly. 

661
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,800
But there's other people in that
same bracket who we should be 

662
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,040
looking at similarly that aren't
getting the same level of 

663
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,199
attention. 
And again, I think the more of a

664
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:31,880
sample size you have, the 
better. 

665
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,400
And it's nothing personally, 
because Ben McCollum, I've 

666
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,600
listened to podcasts like, you 
know, you've kind of been, if 

667
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,840
you follow the IU coaching 
search, you've kind of dragged 

668
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,880
in to following Ben McCollum by 
people who are insistent that 

669
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,400
this is like the, the, the, the,
the coaching Messiah or 

670
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,880
something like that. 
Like, you know, I've, I've 

671
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,600
heard, I've heard, I've seen now
and heard multiple people say, 

672
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,280
well, if you can't get Scott 
Drew and you can't get TJ 

673
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,280
Otzelberger, it's a no brainer. 
You got to get Ben McCollum. 

674
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,200
And it's like really, I, I, I, 
I, I, I just don't think I, you 

675
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,360
can take a chance on a guy with 
that little level of D1 

676
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:09,080
experience yet. 
So that's something to keep in 

677
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,720
mind. 
Again, nothing against McCollum 

678
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,960
personally. 
Just looking at the profile, 

679
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,360
looking at the pace and with 
that being the only data point 

680
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,520
at the D1 level that you can 
look at just strikes me as an 

681
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,360
unnecessary risk. 
You know, certainly would be 

682
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,960
fascinated if that was the 
choice. 

683
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,560
I don't think it's going to be 
the choice, but it's weird how 

684
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,960
that has become the de facto 
because of the stuff published 

685
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,160
over the weekend that claimed 
that the top, the theoretical 

686
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,040
top 4 candidates had all turned 
Indiana down, which again, we 

687
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,240
don't know that that that's 
actually the case. 

688
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,480
So let's put the McCollum stuff 
on hold for a little bit. 

689
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,080
I just, I think that's too big 
of a leap to go from D2 to 

690
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,440
Indiana University in, in 
essentially a calendar year. 

691
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,040
That's a lot. 
That's, that ain't, you know, 

692
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,000
for an Indiana team. 
And this kind of feeds into my 

693
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,280
next. 
Item which is lot of things. 

694
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,400
Being talked about on message 
boards and on social media and 

695
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,040
I've, I've heard this on a 
couple of podcasts that you know

696
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,760
what, whatever, whatever Coach 
Indiana goes out and gets. 

697
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,200
They're going to have the 
biggest. 

698
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,480
Nil budget, they're going to be 
able to, they have all these 

699
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,200
resources and you know, they, 
they don't even it doesn't 

700
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,920
matter if they haven't proven 
that they can recruit at a high 

701
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,800
level or win at a high level 
necessarily, because the NIL 

702
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,120
budget is going to be the great 
equalizer. 

703
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,760
And I just shake my head when I 
see things like that. 

704
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,840
It's like no one learned a 
single thing that's writing that

705
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,400
from what's happened over the 
last eight years or really even 

706
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,280
going beyond that. 
I mean, Indiana, it's not like 

707
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,000
Indiana was under resourcing its
basketball program. 

708
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,200
And you know, these, these 
coaches were. 

709
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,440
Operating in a vacuum. 
Indiana's had these resources 

710
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,040
from the beginning and it didn't
uplift Mike Davis's coaching to 

711
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,160
the level where he could sustain
at a high level. 

712
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,880
It didn't. 
I mean, you know, Tom. 

713
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,480
Crane. 
Got off to a great start and 

714
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,400
even with all of the resources 
and the great start, Crane 

715
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,960
couldn't maintain, wasn't 
signing recruits, you know, was,

716
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,280
you know, missed the tournament 
2 out of his last three years. 

717
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,920
It didn't help Archie Miller. 
I mean, I was one of I, I would,

718
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,640
I made those arguments about 
Archie Miller that well, you 

719
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,480
know what I mean. 
Archie's recruiting three stars 

720
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,440
and two stars and his teams have
gotten to this level, and with 

721
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,800
Indiana's resources and 
recruiting spread and everything

722
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,120
else, it's going to just 
catapult him to the top of the 

723
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,920
profession because he's going to
have that half behind him. 

724
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,880
Well, we all saw how that worked
out with Mike Woodson. 

725
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,600
It was like, well, it doesn't 
matter if Woodson doesn't 

726
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,520
doesn't have experience coaching
in college. 

727
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,280
He's got this big machinery with
IU. 

728
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,280
And then halfway through his 
tenure, it was like, well, 

729
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Indiana's got close to the most 
NIL. 

730
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,640
Money. 
Out there, the whole. 

731
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,560
The. 
Whole conceit of this last 

732
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,560
season. 
Was that? 

733
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,800
Woodson was just. 
Going to go buy the best players

734
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,600
and put together a team that was
going to immediately compete. 

735
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,720
Indiana is struggling to get 
into the NCAA tournament. 

736
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:02,400
Indiana went from being picked 
second in the conference to 

737
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,120
being what? 
9th in the seeding. 

738
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,920
They had to win on the last. 
Day. 

739
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,200
To avoid playing in the first 
day of the Big 10 tournament. 

740
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,960
So my point is this IU isn't 
going to make a coach. 

741
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:18,800
The coach needs to make IU. 
If there's one ironclad rule of 

742
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,040
Indiana University basketball, 
it when. 

743
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,120
Indiana has a. 
Top level coach, they are a 

744
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,120
amazing program. 
When Indiana doesn't have a top 

745
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,160
level coach, they're not an 
amazing program. 

746
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,720
And I don't know that. 
That's necessarily that much 

747
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,040
different. 
It's, it's I, I used to always 

748
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,400
say like, you know, it feel, it 
feels like there's three 

749
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,680
programs that can sustain a bad 
coach and still be good. 

750
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,480
It's Kentucky, North Carolina 
and Kansas. 

751
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,320
I mean, Kansas hasn't had. 
Many coaches period. 

752
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,760
When you think about like the 
last since 19, what? 

753
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,120
198483 They've had three 
coaches, they've had Larry 

754
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,400
Brown, Roy Williams and Bill 
Self. 

755
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:05,120
You know, Kentucky obviously 
what what makes them special. 

756
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,440
They've been very good under 
John Calipari, maybe not great 

757
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,720
except for 2012 and 2015. 
Obviously they should get some 

758
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,240
credit for that. 
They were good but not great 

759
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:17,080
under Tubby Smith. 
They won a national title, but 

760
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,160
they were not they were never 
quite, but they weren't like 

761
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,880
average except when they had 
Billy Gillespie and even then 

762
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,360
they weren't awful that year. 
But they quickly course 

763
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,360
corrected on Gillespie. 
North Carolina not impervious 

764
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,360
either. 
We saw them take a nose dive 

765
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,040
under Matt Doherty, but they 
quickly changed course fired 

766
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,800
Doherty. 
They bring in Roy Williams. 

767
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,040
Roy Williams retires, and it's 
kind of like the same thing's 

768
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,320
happening again with Hubert 
Davis. 

769
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,280
They're keeping Hubert Davis, 
they're having to restructure 

770
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,800
everything around him to try to 
make it work. 

771
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,040
But I think everybody knows it's
not likely to work. 

772
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,000
So Indiana's no different than 
those programs. 

773
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,200
The difference is Indiana just 
has not had the right coaches in

774
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,640
place. 
For the last 30 years and. 

775
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,440
I include the last five years or
so of Bob Knight in that just 

776
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,600
because Knight clearly was had 
sunk down to the level of the 

777
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,360
Tubby Smiths, where he was doing
fine. 

778
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,240
They were top 25 every year. 
They were winning 20 games most 

779
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,200
seasons they were finishing, you
know, in a position where they'd

780
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,800
be 6th, 7th, 8th seeds. 
You know, that's about 6 seeds 

781
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,560
are like 21 through 24 in the in
the poll. 

782
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,880
That's about where Indiana was 
at for most of those seasons. 

783
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,760
So. 
The idea that nil budgeting is 

784
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,760
going to make that big of a 
difference it certainly. 

785
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,640
Helps. 
And you're going to. 

786
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,600
Need that as a coach. 
To really compete at the highest

787
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,360
levels. 
But that NIL budget, as we 

788
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,400
already saw this year, it 
doesn't buy you competitiveness.

789
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,000
It doesn't buy you the type of 
logistical organization, 

790
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,760
strategy, overall culture 
building that you need in a 

791
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,080
program to make something 
sustainable year after year. 

792
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,520
You know, you look up at the 
team that won the Big 10 this 

793
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,640
year in Michigan State. 
I mean, you can talk about 

794
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,640
Michigan State having NIL, you 
can talk about it having had 

795
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,520
success, but that success is 
Izzo. 

796
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,320
I mean, Izzo is so much more 
successful than Judd Heathcote. 

797
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,840
His predecessor was. 
And Judd Heathcote won a 

798
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,360
national title. 
Judd Heathcote had Magic Johnson

799
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,160
on on his 1979 team. 
But yet you look at Judd 

800
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,960
Heathcote like his teams went 
like, like just roller coaster. 

801
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,360
You know, they didn't have years
where they were, you know, 

802
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,080
contending for the Big 10 title 
and get to the Sweet 16 or the 

803
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,120
Elite 8. 
They'd have years where they 

804
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,080
were like 13 and 17. 
And that wasn't to say that 

805
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,040
Judd. 
Was a bad coach. 

806
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,840
I think Judd was an inconsistent
coach, especially in recruiting.

807
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:31,920
But Tom. 
Izzo's not. 

808
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,840
Tom Izzo is the right coach and 
and you look across the Big 10, 

809
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,000
there's a few programs that I 
think have a natural ceiling on 

810
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,960
them. 
Even a really good coach who 

811
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,840
knows what they're doing is 
going to hit that ceiling. 

812
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,360
Iowa's like that, like Tom Davis
kind of took that team as far as

813
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,800
they could go. 
Although you say that and Lute 

814
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,040
Olson. 
Got to do a final four, so 

815
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,520
maybe, maybe he didn't take them
quite as far as they could go. 

816
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:56,200
You know Minnesota's. 
Got a? 

817
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,480
Clear ceiling on it. 
The only time Minnesota's able 

818
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,760
to be competitive national is 
when they're cheating. 

819
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,560
And now everybody. 
Can. 

820
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,720
Cheat. 
So I don't know what Minnesota's

821
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:08,280
going to do, but but you know, 
there's other programs where you

822
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,800
have the right coach and you can
do great. 

823
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,360
Things. 
Purdue is one of those programs.

824
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,840
Illinois is one of those 
programs. 

825
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,080
You know, Michigan State is 
clearly one of those programs. 

826
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,560
Michigan is one of those 
programs, and Indiana is one of 

827
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,880
those programs. 
And so, but it doesn't work the 

828
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,400
other way like. 
The NIL budget, the travel 

829
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,400
budget, the recruiting budget, 
all these things that Indiana, 

830
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,480
all these resources Indiana 
pours in is not going to make an

831
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,600
average coach. 
Good. 

832
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,360
Or a good coach, great. 
And this is the tricky part of 

833
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,040
this. 
And I talked about this with the

834
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,720
football hire. 
I mean, if you the football hire

835
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:45,040
is probably the big the best 
example of this where they hired

836
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,360
the right guy. 
Finally, it had been 40 years 

837
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,840
since they previously hired the 
right guy, like the absolute 

838
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,280
right guy. 
And that was Bill Mallory. 

839
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,880
And, you know, Mallory took a 
team that had been, yeah, kind 

840
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,600
of descended into the lower, 
the, the far lower reaches of 

841
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,720
the Big 10 after clawing about a
little bit with with Corso. 

842
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,720
And he made them a competitive 
team. 

843
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,360
And then he kind of fell. 
Off at the end and then. 

844
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,840
They made-up succession of hires
that that either didn't work out

845
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,400
or had something tragic happened
to them. 

846
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,200
And it, it, it took that long, 
but you hire the right guy and 

847
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,560
you can turn things around very 
quickly and you can see, you can

848
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,440
feel it. 
Anybody that was in Memorial 

849
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,560
Stadium or anybody that's 
watched press conferences or 

850
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,240
anybody that that watched IU 
football on the road, the team. 

851
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,160
Suddenly starts. 
Exuding something, a confidence,

852
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:38,320
an aura that is only from my 
experiences. 

853
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,240
That's that that that comes from
a great coach hire. 

854
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:43,680
That comes from having hired a 
coach that knows what they're 

855
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,280
doing, has a plan, knows how the
logistics work, knows what they 

856
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,840
need to do to build culture, 
puts the right people in charge 

857
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,840
of the right things. 
And they themselves operate in a

858
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,200
way that helps to build and then
sustain upon that excellence. 

859
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,440
And that's what Indiana had with
Branch McCracken. 

860
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,840
That's what they had with 
Everett Dean. 

861
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,360
That's what they had with Bob 
Knight for most of his tenure. 

862
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,360
Same thing with McCracken. 
I mean, Mccracken's last six 

863
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,600
years, five years weren't great 
for a lot of times for reasons 

864
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,040
that weren't necessarily his 
fault. 

865
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,560
But they didn't have it with Lou
Watson, they didn't have it with

866
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,680
Mike Davis. 
They didn't have it ultimately 

867
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,880
with Tom Crean or Archie Miller 
or Mike Woodson and. 

868
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,840
So that's where. 
You know, I don't envy Scott 

869
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,440
Dolson and the and the search 
committee for what they have to 

870
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,240
do because they really have to 
nail this hire. 

871
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,880
But this is where you know from 
my. 

872
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,440
Perspective. 
If they decided, I'll go back to

873
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,200
the Ben McCollum thing. 
If they decided after vetting 

874
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,000
Ben McCollum that this was the 
next guy with that DNA strand, 

875
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,880
it's like the Da Vinci Code of 
coaching. 

876
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:45,000
This guy can. 
Come in and get. 

877
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,880
These things done and do it very
quickly if they if they really 

878
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,320
look at that guy and they say 
this guy's got all the 

879
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,200
intangibles and we think he's 
going to have the tangibles as 

880
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,520
well and that's what they hire 
great. 

881
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,520
I'll need to be sold on it, but.
I will. 

882
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,480
I will. 
Feel like they've sent us in the

883
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,920
right direction. 
But that's a really challenging.

884
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,200
Thing and and again I don't envy
the the folks that are in the 

885
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,240
mix having to make the decisions
on this but I just I think 

886
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,320
people need to be cautious about
this idea that you can hire like

887
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,280
Brad Brownell who. 
However. 

888
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,240
You want to dress up his career 
at Clemson? 

889
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:25,080
You know he got to an. 
Elite 8 last. 

890
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,040
Year people, you know, people 
have said, oh, he has nil money 

891
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,400
and now he can bring in the 
right players. 

892
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,160
I mean, look at look at who he's
actually brought in. 

893
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:33,960
I mean, do your own research on 
that, but go look at what 

894
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,120
Clemson's done with NIL. 
It's a lot easier argument to 

895
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,480
say, well, Brad Brunel's 
thriving at a time when there's 

896
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,200
no dominant team in the ACC. 
You know, he's thriving at a 

897
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,360
time when, you know, North 
Carolina's having historical 

898
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,920
troubles and Louisville was just
sitting flat on their ass for 

899
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,000
three years basically. 
And you know, Wake Forest is 

900
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,280
very mid and NC State just fired
a coach like the ACC is, is kind

901
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,680
of at the lowest ebb. 
I've seen it in a while and it's

902
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,120
been that way for a few years 
now. 

903
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,760
The idea that Brad Brownell, 
well, he's been slightly better 

904
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,120
than average at Clemson is going
to come in and I use resources. 

905
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,920
They're going to suddenly turn 
him into a a top level coach. 

906
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,480
It just, it just, I, I rarely 
see it work that way. 

907
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,560
That doesn't mean that you can't
hire a younger guy or a guy that

908
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,160
doesn't have a great deal of, 
of, of prior high level success.

909
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,000
It's more than just that, you 
know, and again, we've talked 

910
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,160
about a lot of the examples of 
of people that were hired that 

911
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,000
were from lower level programs 
and we're really on the 

912
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,120
ascendancy. 
But though I guess the. 1. 

913
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,880
Big change. 
The one big difference there 

914
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,880
that I would look at between, 
say, a Ben McCollum and for 

915
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,120
instance, like a Nate Oates, who
got hired at Alabama after four 

916
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,640
years at Buffalo, like go look 
at his record in those four 

917
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,800
years at Buffalo. 
Like it's, it is remarkable how 

918
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,000
good they got over the four 
years that he was at Buffalo. 

919
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,640
And that that matters in terms 
of the big picture things. 

920
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,360
You know that there's a 
trajectory you can clearly see 

921
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,680
because there's evidence for it.
Dan Hurley took him a little bit

922
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,160
of time at Rhode Island, but by 
the time he got done at Rhode 

923
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,480
Island, his profile looked 
really good. 

924
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,240
The one thing about? 
Hurley, that's interesting. 

925
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,400
Still, it's like his profile at 
Rhode Island the last two years 

926
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,520
look an awful arc like Archie 
Miller's profile did, which is 

927
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,040
kind of what concerns me about 
McCollum, because his stats 

928
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,480
profile through one year at 
Drake looks a lot like Archie 

929
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,840
Miller's stats profile at 
Dayton. 

930
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,480
That doesn't mean that, I mean, 
obviously Dan Hurley turned out 

931
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,840
to be a lot better than Archie 
Miller. 

932
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,360
Maybe Ben McCollum will as well.
But it's more. 

933
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,320
Of a dice roll, I think than 
just saying, well, we'll hire a 

934
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,720
guy and as long as he's got the 
intangibles, the, the, the NIL 

935
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:42,480
and the other items around the 
job, we'll make him a great 

936
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,640
coach. 
That's just not been the history

937
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,200
with IU. 
It's the other way around. 

938
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,480
IU has been made by its great 
coaches and the lesser coaches 

939
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,680
have been eaten up by the 
expectations of the job. 

940
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,480
That's what a great job does, 
you know? 

941
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,000
A great job is. 
It's like if you've got a great 

942
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,960
pilot, great pilot. 
'S going to be able to take. 

943
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,040
A plane that's got all the bells
and whistles and, and use it to 

944
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,000
its maximum capacity, but that 
same great pilot could probably 

945
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,320
take a lesser plane and fly it 
better than most people can fly 

946
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,680
the plane with all the bells and
whistles. 

947
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,280
So ultimately, I would just say 
think through as you go through 

948
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,840
these processes of the coaching 
search, as you think about the 

949
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,400
various candidates, you know, 
broaden, broaden the viewpoint a

950
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,040
little bit and don't just assume
that this coach or that coach 

951
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,040
will work because it's Indiana, 
because that as as many of you 

952
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,880
know, it's just not how it's 
worked. 

953
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,440
I still have, I still have 
faith. 

954
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,640
Indiana's going to get the right
coach and you. 

955
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,560
Know I I. 
Think that this search is 

956
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,800
different than a lot of the 
previous. 

957
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,640
Searches that Indiana's had, 
it's a different field 

958
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,000
candidates, but I think there's 
a lot of really good coaches out

959
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,400
there and I think it's a very 
desirable job and. 

960
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,960
Despite a lot of efforts. 
To try to make it look like a 

961
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,920
not desirable job by certain 
parties. 

962
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,960
I think the the truth of the 
matter is actually pretty well 

963
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,200
known throughout the industry 
and I'm really excited to see 

964
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,360
where in the ambulance end up 
going with all of this. 

965
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,560
So with that, I'll go ahead and 
sign off and I hope that you all

966
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,200
have a good rest of the day or 
evening and. 

967
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,080
Back Wednesday. 
Where Scott will. 

968
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,000
Be joining me, we will talk 
about what's going on in IU 

969
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,320
land. 
We'll have some extra coaching 

970
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,160
candidates to talk about and 
we'll also preview Indiana, 

971
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,560
Oregon. 
I hope to see some of you folks 

972
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,200
up there at Gambridge Field. 
House later. 

973
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,840
On this week, as Indiana takes 
on the Oregon Ducks, we'll catch

974
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:38,760
you folks. 
On the flip side. 

975
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,120
Bring back the bison, stay never
daunted, So on everybody.