1 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,000 You're listening to the Back Home Network presented by Home 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:22,400 Field Apparel. Welcome back to Crimson Gas, 3 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,040 Galen Clavier joining you here. It is Monday night, the 20th of 4 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,880 May. Happy early birthday to 5 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,880 everybody's either favorite or second favorite Golden 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,160 Retriever, Nelson as he turns 8 tomorrow. 7 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:40,760 So happy birthday buddy. Where he's chewing something 8 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,160 over there. So we're gonna leave him, let 9 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:44,920 him be. But anyway, we are 2/3 of the 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,520 way through May, and if you didn't get a chance to listen to 11 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:53,240 our show from a couple of days ago, Scott and I walked through 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,760 a bunch of things with IU basketball, IU football, touched 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,840 on some IndyCar. We got the Indy 500 coming up. 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,840 We got the Pacers knocking off the Knicks so now the Pacers are 15 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,040 in the Eastern Conference finals. 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,480 It feels like like springtime has come to Indiana like 17 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,840 literally and figuratively with sports. 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Lots of good stuff going on. You add on to that IU football 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,080 and all the positive momentum there and like people actually 20 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,040 paying attention. You got national like podcasts 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,880 and and and you know writers coming in and talking to Kurt 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,040 Signetti and just really shining a light on this program and who 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,400 better to talk about the current state of IU football than Taylor 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,280 Layman, a bite sized bison coming in to join us once again. 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,680 It's been a while Taylor. Great to see you again. 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,920 How you doing? I'm I'm good. 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:38,560 Galen. I'm good. 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,840 This is my first time on video. I've I've, I've been I and and 29 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,080 my quality on here is based on your teaching as well so. 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,640 I, I, I, I mean that might be a positive or negative depending 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,560 on how the quality maintains throughout the court. 32 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:54,960 I'll take it one way or the other. 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,760 You know I'm either doing a wonderful job or I need to do 34 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,800 better, right. But no it's it's good to have 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,840 you back. And yeah we've been for those of 36 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,560 you who've been wondering, we have been trying to do more in 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,000 the video format because quite frankly that's where podcasting 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,560 has already headed and and the parts of podcasting that haven't 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,440 headed there are it's it's kind of like if you ever played Grand 40 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,680 Theft Auto Vice City and and you listened to the the wave like 41 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,080 Wave 103 like that radio station. 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,560 There's that whole segment I I forget which song it's leading 43 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,400 into. But the DJ, you know, is 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,640 lamenting the fact that music videos have taken over. 45 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,880 And you know if for more or less like the paraphrasing on it is 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,160 like, you know, for for physically unattractive people, 47 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,080 this has seriously hurt their careers. 48 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,080 So you know, somehow we're still going on Crimson Cast despite 49 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,640 the fact of the pivot to video, but it's it. 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,520 Is the reason I write. You know, I, I, I the moment 51 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:59,200 that I saw like, you know, Mad Dog Russo on video regularly and 52 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,800 nobody freaked out, it's like that's not an attractive man, 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,080 you know, and no one really cares. 54 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,000 And so I do think that there is there's hope yet for for most of 55 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,680 the people out there doing podcasts. 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,720 And so we're trying to get on video more often. 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,240 For those of you who are listening to this on Apple or on 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,360 Spotify, you can also watch it on Spotify. 59 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:20,600 We've been trying to upload the videos there. 60 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,560 We've also got the back home network YouTube channel, 6400 61 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,640 subscribers and growing and you can comment directly there. 62 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:30,280 Then some nice back and forth with people, some not so nice 63 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,240 back and forth with people too on there in terms of questions. 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,320 But hey, it's all for the engagement, right? 65 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,760 But check out the video if you get a chance folks. 66 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,800 Also a couple quick reminders. 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You just launched your sub stack 80 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,240 and it's doing quite well as it should. 81 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,080 As you are a tremendous resource for all things IU Football 82 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,560 Taylor, tell them how to find your sub stack. 83 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,520 Yeah it's bisys bison.substack.com. 84 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,880 I just kind of a it's not yeah I thought I should have thought 85 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,720 about this when when I was coming up with the name of the 86 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,920 of the sub stack it it it should be a little bit easier to 87 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,560 understand and and type you know Crimson cast is is pretty clear 88 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:52,160 you know how how to spell that it's it's bite sized bison like 89 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,280 kind of like the bite sized candy bars you know but with a 90 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:57,360 bison. And not and not bite size which 91 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,920 is a A I've made that mistake before bite sized with AD. 92 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,720 Yes, exactly. Yes. 93 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,960 And and that was with the intention of making these short 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,920 and for anybody who reads bite sized bison, it's it's 95 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,680 definitely not short. So I'm trying to figure that out 96 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,000 still. But no bite sized 97 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,440 bison.substack.com. Or you can follow me at by 98 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,680 Taylor L and on Twitter and and access it that way. 99 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,720 Yeah. I mean you got to say like 100 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:25,160 compared to an actual bison and the weight of a bison, which is, 101 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,920 you know, we're talking tons, even a long article on bite 102 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,480 sized bison is bite sized in comparison. 103 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,760 So I think you're doing OK from an adjective perspective, 104 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,600 really. I appreciate that, GAIL. 105 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:38,920 Absolutely. Also we're on sub stack as well. 106 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,800 crimsoncast.substack.com, free subscription, over 900 people. 107 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,200 Now we hit the 900 person barrier in terms of 108 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,360 subscriptions, which was awesome And it's free to sign up, get 109 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,440 the podcasts and other items, articles, links to other 110 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,160 podcasts, things that we find interesting, delivered right to 111 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,680 your inbox. We've also got AVIP section that 112 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,760 you can subscribe to. It's inexpensive $5 a month, $50 113 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,200 a year and we do produce VIP videos. 114 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,920 Scott actually put one out today for those of you who have been 115 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,840 there you go. So Scott explaining priority 116 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:12,840 points, I believe in that one, and we'll have some other ones 117 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:15,200 coming up here relatively soon. I got some stuff to get off my 118 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,440 chest, so that's where you get to hear me get stuff off my 119 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:18,840 chest. More so than on the regular 120 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:21,320 show, which who would have thought that was possible? 121 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,640 But anyway, head on over to crimsoncast.substack.com. 122 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,240 Thank you. Anyway, let's dive into it. 123 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,440 We all heard. Oh, sorry. 124 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,200 We all heard how you felt about the Northwestern. 125 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,880 Game, right? I was shocked. 126 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,240 That had such an impact. I who knew, right? 127 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,120 I guess I need to. I need to freak more often on 128 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,320 the podcast. It gets gets, gets that 129 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,800 engagement again, right? So Taylor, before we get with a 130 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,160 bunch of questions, we're not going to get to all of them but 131 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,200 with several on Instagram with several on on Twitter. 132 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,320 But let's you and I start off by hitting couple of things that 133 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,760 you are most interested in. I I guess maybe first of all, I 134 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,440 don't know that we've gotten a chance to get your recap and 135 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,480 thoughts about the spring game and some of the roster moves 136 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,200 that happened thereafter. So why don't you hit us with 137 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,920 that? I know you talked about it a bit 138 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,480 on on Bite Sized Bison, but for the folks who haven't read that, 139 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,920 what were your overall takeaways from that game and what we saw 140 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,520 in the couple of weeks afterwards? 141 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,240 Yeah, I thought the running backs were super explosive. 142 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,520 I think those guys are going to be a real asset this year. 143 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,480 It's kind of hard to tell what the offensive line was like or 144 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,720 really what the running game was like in general, just because 145 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,000 the defensive line was kind of not in great shape. 146 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,240 You know James Carpenter wasn't playing in the 1st place and 147 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,720 he's the number one defensive tackle. 148 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Marcus Burris was the only one playing who probably will play a 149 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,840 lot of minutes or a lot, not minutes, a lot of snaps this 150 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,280 this season of defensive tackle. But then they added CJ West and 151 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,320 Tyree Tucker there after the game. 152 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,080 And I think the defensive tackle is actually kind of a strength, 153 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,720 one of the strengths of the defense now. 154 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,640 But cornerback really jumped out to me as a concern. 155 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,920 That's probably my biggest concern on the roster right now, 156 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,560 even over defensive end. I just, I don't think there's a 157 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,120 lot of proven production there and we might be able to get into 158 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,440 that later. But you know, I I I thought the 159 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,880 quarterbacks were, you know, a little, a little messy and wide 160 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,760 receivers too, a bit. But that's just kind of to be to 161 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,200 be expected. I know everybody took the 162 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,320 Anderson Kobe thing and he looked good. 163 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,280 But I will say, you know one of his one of his catches was over 164 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,400 a a walk on and and that same walk on gave up the Donovan 165 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,800 McCauley touchdown. That's just how it is in these 166 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,799 spring games. And so, you know, it's it's kind 167 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:36,640 of tough to gauge how how good these guys really are, 168 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,799 especially in open space. In in a spring game, I was 169 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:41,240 mostly looking at the line of scrimmage. 170 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,840 And yeah, I mean it, it kind of felt like a typical spring game. 171 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,520 But honestly, it was just great to be seeing a spring game here. 172 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,240 Deanna, I can't. Believe we're We're allowed to 173 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,840 have a spring game. Who knew, right? 174 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,000 Yeah. And everybody seemed to be 175 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,520 having a great time. The energy was there was great 176 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,000 there. I I had some things to do. 177 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,320 I'm like should I go to this? But when I got there I was like 178 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,000 oh man, I'm I'm so happy I came cause the energy was awesome and 179 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,880 and it was so worth it. I I was really happy I ended up 180 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,320 going, but yeah, no. And I know you were in the press 181 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:14,720 box for it. Galen How was that? 182 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,120 It was good. I mean I, you know, I'm in the 183 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,000 press box about once every two years covering something or 184 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,440 whatever and I'm always shocked at how far away it is from the 185 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:27,320 field. It just it feels it's like it's 186 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,880 almost like you're you're in a like a Zeppelin or you know some 187 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,360 kind of dirigible like hovering over the field. 188 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,720 It's like I kind of see down there there's I think there's 189 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,480 football players and it's it's it's a really, it's a 190 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,440 disconcerting for someone like me who likes to be close to the 191 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,360 action. It's not a great way I think, to 192 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,040 to watch the game, but I I echo a lot of your thoughts. 193 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,960 I mean, I thought the running backs looked really explosive. 194 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,920 I thought there was some good athleticism. 195 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,920 It felt like, to a large degree, you know, there it was. 196 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,000 What was interesting to me was kind of watching the quarterback 197 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,920 interplay with the receivers and with the lines. 198 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,080 And it's clear that they are a ways away still from the timing 199 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,160 and from the things you need, as one would expect. 200 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,520 But I was, and I think this was something that was brought up, I 201 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,280 was pleased with how Tavin Jackson played. 202 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,760 You know, I think Curtis Rourke still rounding himself into 203 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:19,760 shape. It'd be great to have 204 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,160 competition, like actual competition at the quarterback 205 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:28,480 position and not bias the system so heavily one way or another 206 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,520 that it overly favors one quarterback, like I think you 207 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:38,280 could argue we saw last year. And so to look at Jackson, being 208 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,320 able to step into a whole new system and actually have some 209 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,160 zip on the ball and and look like you knew where he was 210 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,520 supposed to throw, it was good. And you're right. 211 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,440 You know you don't get too bent out of shape in terms of getting 212 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,960 excited about the receiving performances given who they were 213 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,120 going against. But overall, I was happy to see 214 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:58,960 that it looked like it was at least a plan. 215 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,720 And I think that that's a really important starting point, 216 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,840 especially since there's still plenty of time before the season 217 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,160 starts. Yeah I agree and and and one 218 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,240 thing I forgot to mention too was just the the main thing that 219 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,600 I was going into the spring game looking at was offensive 220 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,320 philosophy and scheme and how did that differ from the 221 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:21,560 previous one and it differ quite a bit and primarily I've I've 222 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:23,720 always thought the the difference that we were going to 223 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,720 see coming into this season from last season and maybe even the 224 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:32,640 season before that was tight end play and how they use Titans and 225 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,240 I just thought the way that they used Titus even Trey Walker 226 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,240 putting him in like a trips formation at one point and 227 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,480 running him across the the field and and a mesh concept I was 228 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:45,800 like what Trey Walker and so you know I I and I think Zach 229 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,040 Horton's very good tight end too so I liked what I saw from that 230 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,040 and I thought that was the greatest sign of some sort of 231 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,680 creativity offensively and schematically. 232 00:11:56,680 --> 00:12:01,440 So that was honestly probably my my favorite take away from the 233 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,160 spring game. I I think that that's all fair 234 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,160 and look, I mean obviously at maiden voyage a lot of things 235 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,320 that need to be done in between now and when the rubber hits the 236 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,800 road at the end of August. But an encouraging start and I 237 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,120 agree with you on the tight end front. 238 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,920 I mean the IT always felt like that was a bit of a wasted 239 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:26,280 position in all of the years after Caitlyn De Boer left and 240 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,480 it doesn't have to be. I mean that is that's a that is 241 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,960 one of the most important positions in offensive football 242 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,800 these days because of its versatility with either you 243 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,240 know, pass catching, pass blocking, run blocking. 244 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,520 I mean there's just all the all these things that the tight ends 245 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,200 can do if you're utilizing them correctly. 246 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,600 So we'll see as we move forward with Indiana and and Mike 247 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,240 Shanahan decide to do on that front. 248 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,360 Let's also talk a little bit about some of the the changes 249 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,240 roster wise that we've seen since then. 250 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,720 We've seen IU add a couple of notable players on the defensive 251 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,080 side of things and that was if we had some concerns roster 252 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,080 wise. It really did feel like a lot of 253 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,040 them were there. How well has Indiana done since 254 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,480 the spring game in plugging some of those holes? 255 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,760 I thought they've done great you know especially a defensive 256 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,960 tackle adding CJ W from Kent State and Tyree Tucker from 257 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,640 James Madison. I I was always I was always 258 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,560 wondering why they didn't add Terry Tucker earlier and I guess 259 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:25,440 they must have thought you know we we have enough defensive 260 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,720 tackles there probably isn't room here and then you know what 261 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,080 happened happened with Phil Blitty and things so so they're 262 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,680 like yeah OK there's room now and and and he you know he has 263 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:38,200 three years left and and he played a lot of snaps he played 264 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,520 over 300 snaps and at James Madison is a true freshman or 265 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,920 maybe he's a red shirt freshman I can't remember but he's a 266 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,440 freshman regardless and he has three years left and you know I 267 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,920 I I thought adding a defensive tackle was awesome and and I 268 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,760 think they're gonna be really set there and it's really 269 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,920 important that position's really important if it's a tackle 270 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,960 because if you listen to the under the hood episode with Pat 271 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,840 Koontz he was saying that they want to attack ball carriers 272 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,480 from their inside shoulder which means they're gonna be pushing 273 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,120 guys to the to the to the perimeter a lot and you know 274 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,600 that might that might you know result in some you know big 275 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,560 plays potentially But he said that that's just kind of part of 276 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:25,160 the scheme which is sometimes you might blow run fits but 277 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,760 there's technique that they can teach to respond to that that's 278 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,040 particularly from like the linebacker and safety. 279 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,600 Positions. So defensive tackle is gonna be 280 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,080 really crucial for this team and having four guys that can come 281 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,480 in and play is is really good. And then as far as like 282 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,640 defensive backs I I don't really know you know what cause they've 283 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:52,200 added DJ Warnell from Arizona and they added Sedarius Doss 284 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,240 from Austin P and I think they had added him like the day 285 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,280 before the spring game. So he wasn't available. 286 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:02,840 But you know the I I don't I I said it you know I I released 287 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,280 the depth chart recently and I was like I don't really I don't 288 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,880 really know exactly where some of these defensive backs are 289 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,520 going to be playing cause Nicktoomer's supposed to be a 290 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,040 strong safety but they have so many strong safety types in the 291 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,960 roster right now and not a lot of free safety types. 292 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,720 And then the nickel there's like 4 guys that can play the nickel 293 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,440 and I think Sedarius Das is a good fit at the nickel. 294 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,600 But also it's like Terry Jones was playing there and he played 295 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,080 well there during the spring game and and Amari Farrell 296 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,560 played well at the nickel. Also, you know, I I think they 297 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,560 have a lot of talent on the defensive end. 298 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,520 It's just getting them in the correct position and not even 299 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,720 just position on the field, but just like putting them in the 300 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,600 right spot to make plays I think is is going to be interesting. 301 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,720 Yeah you know and the defensive backs and and that room in 302 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,000 particular kind of it's an it's a thing you've been talking to 303 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,880 me about text about over text and I and I think it's something 304 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,800 that has been brought up by some other folks right. 305 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,800 Lewis brought it up as well. It's like the coaches have got 306 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,000 to figure out how to manage that transition for the guys who 307 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,240 haven't played in the Big 10, who who have been playing at at 308 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,760 power at a group of five schools or whatever they're calling it 309 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,520 now or or lower FCS. You know, how do they translate 310 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,240 up to this level? And we don't have a whole lot of 311 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,240 of Power 5 experience. You're kind of rolling the dice. 312 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,120 I mean, you can look at a guy's measurables, you can look at how 313 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,600 they played against group of Five competition and you can say 314 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,720 we think that this will translate, but you don't really 315 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,560 know. Now, the one thing that I've 316 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,120 been fascinated by with IU's roster in particular is this 317 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,280 idea that there I feel like I've been guys on the roster the last 318 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,000 three or four years who probably weren't Power 5 caliber anyway. 319 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,080 You know, if you can, then we've talked about this is this should 320 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,120 not be news to anybody who's followed the podcast, 'cause you 321 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,800 look at the recruiting that Indiana's done, they've 322 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,120 generally been beating Mac schools for players here over 323 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,560 the course of the last three or four years, not everybody, but 324 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,280 quite a few, especially in those depth positions defensively. 325 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:09,520 And so then it's a matter of well can, if you can get someone 326 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,240 who's coming from that level physically. 327 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,200 But is is more a culture to the system. 328 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,079 It has played at a higher level. At that level, maybe it's a 329 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,359 Washington or maybe it's slightly better, but it's really 330 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,960 going to be one of those things where we won't know probably 331 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,240 until the UCLA game, how these guys are going to stack up 332 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,800 against players that did get recruited and have been playing 333 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,240 at that Power Five level at other schools. 334 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:34,840 Yeah, yeah, that's that's a really good point. 335 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,600 Honestly it's probably my greatest concern about the the 336 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,320 roster entirely is is how it does that talent because not not 337 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,760 everybody's going to hit you know and so getting the majority 338 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:52,520 of them to hit his is the the goal and so you know I I I'm 339 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,640 doing a there's there's gonna be a bias bias in soon about I try 340 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,240 to find some data about you know making the transition 341 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,200 specifically from group of five to power five. 342 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:07,440 It didn't really go into the FCS to FBS, but there are actually 343 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,600 far fewer defensive players that make that to that specific jump 344 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,360 than you would think like in the last couple years. 345 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,360 Last year it kind of blew up and there were more. 346 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:18,880 But like even in 2022 there weren't that many guys who were 347 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,680 playing as a starter at that group of five level and then 348 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,080 moved to the power five level and also played as a starter. 349 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:31,320 Andre Carter was one though and and for most of them I mean for 350 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,240 for every position there's a drop off. 351 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:39,560 And so like you were saying if we compare that to Indiana's you 352 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,440 know grades and and how well that they played, it's, it's 353 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,760 fairly comparable. But I would say that there's 354 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:51,680 there's probably an an increase in talent with you know if if if 355 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,120 everything forecasts correctly, which I don't think it's a 356 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,480 perfect model or anything like that. 357 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,760 But you know, I I think that they are increasing the amount 358 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,680 of talent and I think also increasing the amount of depth. 359 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,320 Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, ultimately, I mean 360 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,920 you're not going to hit on everybody and and what, what, 361 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,160 what is it now? 35 or so players that have been 362 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,400 brought in through the portal by Signetti and his staff. 363 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,120 That is not quite half the roster, but almost half the 364 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:21,560 roster and the. But the depth is the most 365 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,720 important thing. And you know, look, we're going 366 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,840 to probably be surprised at how well some people rise to the 367 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,040 challenge. We're also probably going to be 368 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,640 disappointed by some folks that don't. 369 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,880 But it's all part of the process of trying to flip this roster 370 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,320 over and that's not going to happen in one year. 371 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,240 And that was really kind of what Scott and I talked about in our 372 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,120 last podcast was this idea of managing expectations a little 373 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:46,520 bit. You and I have talked about it I 374 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,720 think on this podcast before as well. 375 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,520 There's just so many unknowns that, you know, it's it is. 376 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,960 I will never be critical or be like, gosh, I wish people 377 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,080 weren't paying attention to Indiana because what's 378 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,560 fascinating is. Despite all the attention that's 379 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,480 been paid to Indiana and and all the the buzz that Curt Cignetti 380 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,720 has has attracted and clearly some of the positive aspects 381 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,160 that it's it's providing Indiana on the recruiting trail, They 382 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,520 are still right now projected at under six wins that I think 383 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,040 they're 5 1/2 wins. So it's not like Vegas has 384 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,680 caught on and be like you know Indiana. 385 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,800 That's it. That's the team. 386 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,400 You know it, but you did. On the flip side, you had that 387 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,640 that that article from the other day about Indiana having like a 388 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,040 top five roster from a talent perspective in the Big 10 coming 389 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,040 into this year. That seems that seems like 390 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:42,720 fanciful a little bit. But the fact that it came from a 391 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,640 not IU person does give you pause for a second and it's 392 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,440 like, I don't know where all of this lands. 393 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,880 Yeah, yeah, that that was an interesting article. 394 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:59,520 I I I thought that was yeah interesting but the but I think 395 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,360 I I do think expectations are you know if you've if you've 396 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:06,240 been reading bite size bison like I'm I'm I'm not trying to 397 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,280 rain on any parades or anything you know I I think it I think it 398 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:15,440 is important to temper some some expectations because year one is 399 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,280 like I don't I don't you know I personally don't care that Chris 400 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,480 Cignotti says he wins in in year one. 401 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,480 You know, like winning at Indiana is very different than 402 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,160 winning at other places. And so, you know, I think what 403 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,440 they've done is very impressive. But historically, it's really 404 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,760 tough to win in year one. And like you said in the last 405 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,160 podcast, Galen to to Scott was that culture change is really 406 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,960 difficult and that has to change before you can win. 407 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,680 Like winning does not change before the culture change. 408 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,680 And so it's clear that Cignetti wants to change the culture at 409 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,000 Indiana, which is necessary. And it's good that he's even 410 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,440 talking about it. But, you know, I think that, you 411 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,400 know, I think it's gonna be a good season and and even with 412 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,000 that, I think it's gonna be a good season, but maybe, maybe 413 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:04,400 not quite where some people think it could possibly be. 414 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,360 I mean Cignetti is is correct. He won seven and three his first 415 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:13,760 year at IUP and eight and four his first year at Elon and 14 416 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,880 and two his first year at James Madison. 417 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,160 Now granted James Madison that he took over was was a 418 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,320 powerhouse already in in FCS at that point but he's not wrong 419 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,960 and that he does win in those first years. 420 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,680 But as you said, I I think it's different if he's taking over 421 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,080 for a team that was, you know, 5-6, seven wins, somewhere in 422 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,560 that range. There was clearly a changeover 423 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,280 that had to happen from a cultural perspective. 424 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,520 And it actually leads us into our first question from JD 425 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,720 Gabby, longtime fan and and follower on Twitter. 426 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,120 We've heard a lot about the new business like mindset from Coach 427 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:51,200 Sig and this staff. I no doubt get that feeling. 428 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,960 But can you share some specific examples and differences between 429 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,280 the regimes that demonstrate this? 430 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,000 I've got an anecdotal 1, but I'm curious if you have something 431 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,960 more concrete that you've observed either in those Under 432 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,080 the Hood podcast or stuff that you've just seen in general, 433 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,360 like what what shines out to you in terms of that business like 434 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:15,800 mindset? It depends on how you define 435 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,360 business like I guess if like aggressive and and direct is is 436 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:23,600 business like I think that's I've seen a lot I've seen a lot 437 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,440 of that particularly in their recruiting strategy which is 438 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,840 that they're not recruiting in fear at all and and they they 439 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,240 they they seem to. I I think the way that a team 440 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,280 approaches recruiting says a lot about the way they approach 441 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,440 organization and and if you can have positive internal 442 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,480 organization then you can be productive. 443 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,680 And so recruiting is really important in that regard. 444 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,640 And the way that they have systematically gone about 445 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,720 building an approach to in state recruiting I think has been 446 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,480 really impressive to me. And then not only that but then 447 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,840 allowing Tino Sincerity to you know recruiting a quarterback he 448 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,600 wants to and and and not not be fearful of who else is involved 449 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,000 in or how young the kid is. I mean they're offering freshmen 450 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,960 in high school right now and and there just seems to be an 451 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,720 understanding about college football through recruiting in 452 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,160 particular that I don't think existed with the last regime. 453 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,440 And and that's the first thing that comes to mind mostly 454 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,360 because I was a recruiting reporter when I was covering 455 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,840 football. But also you know, it does show 456 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,400 a lot about a program based on how they're recruiting. 457 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:44,720 And then I will add as well, you know, getting Dolson to buy into 458 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,000 the idea of investing more into the program, it is also and I 459 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,400 think that's more businesslike than anything I just said. 460 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,560 But but yeah, I think that's that's that's huge too. 461 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,760 Yeah, I'll say having I've had a chance to talk with a couple of 462 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,840 players and and some other folks related to to the program and 463 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,880 staff and you know what they've said is you know they almost to 464 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,800 a person that I've talked to like they they liked Tom Allen. 465 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,280 They thought Tom Allen was a great guy. 466 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,720 But they've all said like it is all business with Signetti and 467 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,480 it is, you know, that here's the, here's the task, here's 468 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,280 what we're going to do, we're going to go do this, you know, 469 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:26,080 until we know how to do it. And the implication from those 470 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,440 conversations has been that isn't how practices have gone up 471 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,760 to like prior to Signetti getting there, that there was a 472 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,840 lot of switching around in terms of, you know, you'd go from one 473 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,440 thing to the next without feeling like you necessarily got 474 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,280 everything done that you needed to get done. 475 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,400 And the the drilling was, it almost seemed more like, OK, we 476 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,640 got to do these things, not we're doing them for a 477 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,920 particular purpose. And I think to be honest, that 478 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,440 tracks with a lot of the concerns we had when we were 479 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,440 watching Allen teams where it just kind of felt like execution 480 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,280 was lacking. And it felt like that execution 481 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,120 lacking came from a place of where they they haven't worked 482 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,640 on this to the point where they can do it without thinking about 483 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,440 it. And you know, we'll see. 484 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,000 Anybody can say that. But multiple people on the team 485 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,760 that I've talked to have have said there's a notable 486 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,320 difference in the way that practice is approached in the 487 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,080 way that you're interacting with the staff where you know 488 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,960 Signetti is kind of this the he's the CEO like you're you're 489 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,680 not going to have a direct relationship. 490 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,920 The relationship is is a a rung or two down the ladder, which 491 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,480 again is pretty businesslike if you think about it like you're 492 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,080 probably not palling around with the CEO unless you're in an 493 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,960 office that's got fewer than five people in it. 494 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,720 So that I I found that all pretty fascinating cause like no 495 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,040 one, no one really wants to talk bad about the previous regime. 496 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,240 But they have noted that there's a real difference in the way 497 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,000 that that the conduct goes with the current regime. 498 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,560 So yes. I agree Gayle and I and I, I 499 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,600 actually thought about you and I have talked about it a lot too 500 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,640 and I think we've noted it on here. 501 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,640 That's why I didn't mention it either. 502 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,240 But you know the way that he does act as the CEO and and 503 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,920 within within his structure and the way that that has been 504 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,840 talked about that outside of Cignetti, I think that's that's 505 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,280 promising too. Yeah. 506 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,600 You you mentioned this in your answer to that previous 507 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,680 question, so I'll ask it. This is from our our old buddy 508 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,720 Eddie Cotton. What happens to Tyler Cherry 509 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:34,000 after we land Julian Lewis? I like where the I like where 510 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,160 the head's at with this. What do you make of this Julian 511 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,960 Lewis recruitment in general? I mean, this is the the fact 512 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,080 Indiana scored one of the visits and the only other wild card 513 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,480 team in this group of visits is Colorado with Deon Sanders. 514 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,040 It like it is. This doesn't feel perfunctory 515 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,920 anymore. Like it feels like there's a 516 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,960 comfort level between Sunseri and Julian Lewis that I mean it 517 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:04,520 it it I would still, it's still probably a 100 to one shot that 518 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,080 he chooses Indiana given the rest of the teams in the group. 519 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,120 But the fact that it's even 100 to one shot is pretty wild to 520 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,320 me. It's closer than I thought. 521 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,520 You know, I when I thought when it was when it was going to come 522 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,280 to the visits, that's when Indiana was going to drop out. 523 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,800 I know that there are some teams who have lost interest in in him 524 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,920 and I think part of it might be because he is not particularly. 525 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,040 I wouldn't say he's particularly athletic or doesn't have 526 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,200 particularly have the biggest arm or isn't you know the 527 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,600 tallest or the biggest quarterback. 528 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,000 And you know in an era where you kind of do need some athleticism 529 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,240 in some size as a as a quarterback and I think a lot of 530 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,600 his, his skill set is rooted in the intangibles. 531 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,520 And that can be a real concern when when like when you get up 532 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,960 to this level of picking a quarterback, a lot of it is just 533 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,120 personality. And you know everybody knows 534 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,360 that you have a skill set but but they're trying to reduce 535 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,760 risk and and then also try to make you fit into their program, 536 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,680 'cause it is more than just a a fit as a quarterback, as a fit 537 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,000 as a person too, which I don't think takes anything away from 538 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,320 Julian Lewis. I think he's probably a a fine 539 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,720 kid. But you know I think that when 540 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,200 you're Indiana and there's a five star quarterback interested 541 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,400 in you at that point you know you're not you're not you're not 542 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,800 you're not picking that that that you're not picking that 543 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,000 many nits. But you know the I think, I 544 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,720 think it is more serious than than maybe I had thought in the 545 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,520 beginning when I was saying that you're just marketing through 546 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,720 recruiting, which I think it's still you're doing that 547 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,240 indirectly because the relationship with sincerity. 548 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,600 But I mean, once these schools start dropping off, and then if 549 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,840 enough of them drop off and they're not interested in him, I 550 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,320 mean, yeah, maybe, maybe the relationship can transcend some 551 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,800 of these things. This is how this is how you you 552 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,840 pick off four and five stars in the in the video game for 553 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,080 college football. Like if you stay in long enough, 554 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,640 eventually someone else commits at that position and you know 555 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,800 then you're sitting there and they we've got a four-star 556 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,160 quarterback or five star quarterback. 557 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,480 And also the fact that there's still very good teams in the 558 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,840 pool with Julian Lewis. This is not the the Galen Klavio 559 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,200 hypothesis of Indiana and five star recruiting in football, 560 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,800 where if Indiana, anytime Indiana gets a four or five 561 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,480 star, it's generally because something is scared off. 562 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,040 All of the other teams that had a shot at that player where they 563 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,280 would normally go to that level and they end up here. 564 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,720 This does feel like a little bit of a different category. 565 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,840 So we'll see. And you never know who that 566 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,040 would be a tremendous, it would be a tremendous marketing win 567 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,120 and it might be a tremendous football win if they got him. 568 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,720 And even if they did, I think Tyler Cherry's going to be just 569 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,880 fine at IU. I'm still very intrigued with 570 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,680 him as a prospect. So let's hit a couple other 571 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,200 questions here. Who's your 98 asks if you have 572 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,800 to pick just one of the following defense, offense, or 573 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,640 coaching? What keeps this team from being 574 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,400 more than just a bowl eligible team, assuming it's a bowl 575 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,320 eligible team, I guess in the 1st place? 576 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,640 But of those 3, defense, offense, or coaching? 577 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,640 Like, which one do you feel like could be the greatest constraint 578 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,200 on this team? The OK the greatest constraint I 579 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:24,120 would say defense. I I think I I think a lot of a 580 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,160 lot of people have been noting that you know they don't they 581 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,640 don't know how they don't know if Cignetti and the staff can 582 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,760 coach at the Big 10 level and and I don't think I'm as 583 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,280 concerned about that. I I think that they've shown 584 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:41,280 that they can coach a really high quality and form a really 585 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,120 high quality system that pulled a group of five team up into the 586 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,000 20 top 25 and and and the FBSI think that's that's enough for 587 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,040 me. I I would and I think the 588 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,040 offense is going to be the strength of this team and so I I 589 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,120 would say probably the defense and I am still a little 590 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,240 concerned about the defense. I think that you know that it's 591 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,680 probably going to be a more of a two or three-year thing before 592 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,120 that defense is really where they want it. 593 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,840 Yeah I'm you know the the whole thing about Signetti and and can 594 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,800 they coach at the at the at the Big 10 level. 595 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,400 I mean look you never know but I always I'll, I'll use an example 596 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,280 from Indiana's rival Purdue. When Joe Tiller got named he 597 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,840 came in and had a first year offensive coordinator and a 598 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,280 first year defensive coordinator. 599 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,040 Both of them came with him from Wyoming. 600 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,480 Tiller had never coached as a head coach at at the Power Five 601 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,600 level and I think as I look back he had been a Purdue associate 602 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,520 head coach for a few years and they've done the same at 603 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,320 Washington State. But I mean those are not exactly 604 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,200 the cream of the crop of of power conference teams and they 605 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,720 came in with a system and a plan and they inherited a pretty bad 606 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,440 team from Jim Coletto. You know all things considered a 607 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,720 team that was that never. I don't think they made a bowl 608 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,000 in the four or five years that that he was there. 609 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,520 And the first year they went nine and three and six and two 610 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,120 and finished 15th in the country. 611 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,800 So I I don't, I don't look at the lack of experience. 612 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,680 I think it's a much bigger deal. If you're in your 40s and you 613 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,120 you've done a meteoric rise to like the Mac or something like 614 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,840 that, and then you get hired in the Big 10, that's a huge leap. 615 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,880 But for Signetti, a guy who's been at Alabama, who's who's had 616 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,400 all of this experience as a head coach, I'm a lot less concerned 617 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,640 about that from a translational perspective. 618 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,480 That's why Dan Dan Landing was so, so surprising to me in the 619 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,960 success that he had at Oregon because he did have that 620 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:43,120 meteoric rise and and and he and he's still young and and found a 621 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,880 way to to get that team to a really good level. 622 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,280 You know, I I know it is Oregon. It's not Indiana, but you know. 623 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,840 It's a it'd be helpful if Indiana like had a a lum that 624 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,800 had started a shoe company that made billions of dollars. 625 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,960 You know Oregon does a little bit of a built advantage. 626 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,160 But hey, we've seen coaches not win at high levels at Oregon 627 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,120 historically not not even in the last 20 years. 628 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,840 But you you there, I agree with you that landing was a bit of a 629 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:14,040 surprise but even like I mean it, I think more and more scheme 630 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,880 and understanding what you're doing can trump experience. 631 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,239 Kailyn de Boer might be the best example of this in what a, a 632 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,920 four year span, you know, goes from the lowest levels of 633 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,840 college football and you know it goes to Washington and has his 634 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,159 team on the doorstep of the national title or five years or 635 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:32,239 whatever the the period was like. 636 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,480 It it can happen, and it is really fascinating to watch the 637 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,679 whole system kind of unfold itself with a guy who you 638 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,800 wouldn't look at the pedigree and say that's a guy who's going 639 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,560 to take his team to unheard of heights. 640 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,000 I cannot make I wanna make one unrelated point and then add to 641 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,800 it. So the the in 2019 I saw 642 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,480 recently that there was a statistic that Peyton Ramsey 643 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,600 ranked 13th in the country in ESP NS QBR rating. 644 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,800 And then that same year in 2019 Mike Pennix before he was 645 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,640 injured, was graded 7th in the country by a Pro Football Focus 646 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,320 amongst quarterbacks. Kaitlyn De Boer was he was the 647 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,320 man. That's that is amazing to me. 648 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,360 But but no I want to add to your point that smaller school 649 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:22,800 coaches are starting to really rise to to like to pretty great 650 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,240 heights in FBS football right now And and that's something 651 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,200 that Kaitlyn De Boer was actually interviewed about a few 652 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,920 months ago actually I think right before the the national 653 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,960 championship. And he was just saying, you 654 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,080 know, there's a humility that comes with it, that that you 655 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,240 know you like you. You're forced to think about 656 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:41,720 things that maybe some others aren't. 657 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,640 And and I think part of that is like, you know, building an IO 658 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,920 and using your resources and organizing your resources in the 659 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,160 best way. Well, not just that, but also 660 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,520 doing more with less at a higher level. 661 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,040 You know, I mean, you know, 'cause, I mean a lot of it 662 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,360 coming out of FCS, you're coming from the lowest levels of FBS. 663 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,600 I mean you're not dealing with full complements of players and 664 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:04,840 sixty walk ONS or 100 walk ONS or whatever Nebraska has. 665 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,240 I mean you're, you know you're you're you're dealing with with 666 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:11,160 less resources and so you're you're learning how to win with 667 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,320 fewer resources. And I think that that does help 668 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,120 in today's game where especially with the transfer portal, you 669 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,440 just can't count on parking guys on the bench for two or three 670 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,640 years and then being able to bring them in and having that 671 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,040 that ultimate reservoir of experience. 672 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,960 It almost has leveled the playing field out and I think 673 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,120 made the jump a little bit less daunting for a lot of coaches. 674 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,520 Let's see from our old friend Patrick, what position group are 675 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:42,960 you most confident in? Wide receiver, that's what 676 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,760 Patrick said. Well, yeah, yeah. 677 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,200 Wide receiver, yeah, most confident in wide receiver just 678 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,960 because the experience and and what I saw in the spring game, 679 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,480 my miles cross really impressed me and that's the the the amount 680 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,880 of talent they have there is just insane. 681 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,760 There's gonna be rotating guys in and out constantly. 682 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,520 What position are you most unsure or concerned about? 683 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,800 Cornerback, for sure. Cornerback I I I think it might 684 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,840 have been kind of a hot take but I have Jamir Johnson starting 685 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,760 over Jamari Sharp just because we don't really know exactly. 686 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,040 We didn't get a chance to really see Jamir Johnson last year then 687 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,960 he played well when he when he played but he was injured and 688 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,680 coming from Texas you know Texas recruited him out of high school 689 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,640 that's you know that's impressive So it just like he 690 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,800 needs to see the field and and Jamari Sharp you know he's 691 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,120 somebody I hope is is really good and I hope he develops and 692 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,760 but last year was just not a great showing for him and and 693 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,120 you know he's a red shirt freshman so that it that's 694 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:51,120 acceptable but but then DeAngelo Hans and being 59 and yeah I I I 695 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,400 I I think he's great I think his instincts are incredible he he 696 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,120 he has great ball skills and and obviously a great athlete but 697 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,680 being 59 and the big 10 brings its own challenges especially 698 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,640 with the wide receivers that are in this conference So cornerback 699 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,600 is definitely overall my my biggest concern. 700 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,400 Patrick's answer is offensive line, which I get, although it 701 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,320 feels like the depth of the offensive line is more of the 702 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,240 issue than the starters. It is still kind of a wait and 703 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,600 see kind of thing, but it does feel like another year of 704 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,000 continuity under Bob Bostad and the fact that they retained, you 705 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000 know, they retained Kadik, they're they're able to kind of 706 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,200 like do some things in order to to strengthen that. 707 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,400 It feels like it. It might almost be worth it. 708 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,080 Looking more at the defensive line is a point of concern than 709 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,600 the offensive line, even though both are going to probably be a 710 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,360 question mark throughout the course of the season. 711 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,000 Yeah, yeah. I think, I think you have three 712 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,640 points that if you have some weaker offensive lineman that 713 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,720 you really need to have success at that's if you tackle 714 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,920 positions in the center position and they have they have you know 715 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,480 a great tackle duo and they have a really an an experienced 716 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,640 center but but you know an A guy at center who is experienced and 717 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,480 so you know he's seen a lot of football so and then and then 718 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,680 you have Nick Kidwell at right guard. 719 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,720 We don't really know how he's going to translate but left 720 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,760 guard's a really big concern for me honestly. 721 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,760 But the the offensive line I'm not I'm not as concerned about. 722 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,840 I think BOP post act can get that under wraps. 723 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,960 Most excited position to watch or position you're most excited 724 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,760 to watch. Oh man, I might have to trade 725 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,760 out some answers here, 'cause I think wide receive, I think, I 726 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,680 think, OK, OK, I'll, I'll switch this. 727 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,720 I'll say wide receiver is my most exciting to watch. 728 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,320 I think the one I'm most excited about is quarterback. 729 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,840 I think that's I I know a lot of people weren't super excited 730 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,480 about what they saw in the spring game, but I'm. 731 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,280 I'm actually really excited to see because there's competition 732 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,640 there, like you said, and when there's competition that breeds 733 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,080 good play. So these are talented. 734 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,480 And it feels like there's a there's two players that can 735 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,520 play the the position can start effectively in the Big 10. 736 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,040 And it does feel like the offensive system will be 737 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,240 designed around them this year, unlike last year where the 738 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,040 quarterbacks were designed around the system, which made 739 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,760 zero sense. So that's. 740 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,000 That is, that is my hope with things. 741 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,440 OK, let's get to some other questions here. 742 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,960 So, Hooperazzi asked, is six wins still the ultimate goal? 743 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,160 The standard set by fans for decades has been just make a 744 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,960 bowl. Should we expect more or less 745 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,800 wins? Well, I'll say this until 746 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,840 Indiana wins six games two years in a row or maybe three years in 747 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,680 a row, I guess, 'cause they did technically win six games two 748 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,400 years in a row in 19 and 20. I think bowl eligibility 749 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,920 absolutely is the standard. Until that ceases to be 750 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,600 something that's special for IU. And that's the this is the 751 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,000 thing, I think, I mean, and this is where the offseason sucks in 752 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,400 a way, because you you get all this, you get the hoopla, you 753 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,560 get all of this, focus on XY or Z and like what? 754 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,960 You know, Signetti doing it, this and that, and recruits 755 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,000 coming in and Portal people. And at the end of the day, it's 756 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,520 hard to win football games and there are good teams that don't 757 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,560 win 6 football games in a regular season all over the 758 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,880 country. And so to me that is the 759 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,840 standard. Now if Cignetti comes out and 760 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,320 wins 678 games in year one, hey, amazing. 761 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,720 I would still say the standard the next year is six wins. 762 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:24,720 Because the hardest thing that Indiana's had to do has been be 763 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:29,600 consistent with winning games. You know you think about 2007, 764 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,320 they get to a bowl, they you know they they win seven games 765 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:38,080 that year and then it was 2015 until they won six games again. 766 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,960 You know you you think about they they they could make that 767 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,400 bowl in 2007. The previous time that they had 768 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:49,240 won that many games was 1994. So until Indiana, again until 769 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:54,280 you see that trend line like get lifted so much that now you can 770 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,520 set your sights on seven wins a year. 771 00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,400 I think that yes, that is absolutely the, the floor that I 772 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,320 would be looking for as well as the ceiling. 773 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,800 I'm kind of, I'm kind of curious what the expectation would be if 774 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,120 it wasn't a bowl game. Like I'm so used to like at 775 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,160 Indiana, like being like, OK, a bowl is a successful season, you 776 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,120 know, and maybe even five wins is a successful season. 777 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,360 But like, but I I don't know what the expectation would be 778 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:21,760 after a bowl. Would it? 779 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,000 Would it? Where do you stop? 780 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,960 Would it be 8 like? I don't know. 781 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,520 I think this is where you almost have to measure and program. 782 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,520 You know I I kind of look at it like you know what is the 783 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,760 program that Indiana could reasonably point to in terms of 784 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,160 relative success and and where it goes and like that would be a 785 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,280 comfortable living. And and to me it's Minnesota. 786 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,680 You know, Minnesota football and Indiana football are very 787 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,840 similar I think in a lot of ways in terms of, you know, not a 788 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,640 great natural recruiting base, you know, and Minnesota League 789 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,120 has history. Granted, that history was 60-70 790 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,640 years ago, but at least there's something. 791 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,400 But if you look at what Jerry Kill was able to do there and 792 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,080 now what PJ Fleck's been able to do, I mean people are mad at PJ 793 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,880 Fleck, but it's taken five years for them to get mad at PJ Fleck 794 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,800 for not moving it beyond whatever. 795 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,960 You know, I think if you took PJ Flex record and superimposed it 796 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,000 on Indiana football, people would be like, wow, this is 797 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,480 incredible. Why can't we do this all the 798 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,000 time? And so, you know, to me, I think 799 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,000 that the, the next expectation would be OK Are you in the mix 800 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,000 for like a New Year's 6 bowl, like, you know, like the last 801 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,720 bid or something like that? I I. 802 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,160 But at this point, they're such so far off. 803 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,520 I don't think that you could even. 804 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,080 I can't even envision that, you know. 805 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,920 Yeah, yeah. Not I agree. 806 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,880 I agree and I think you know when it being in the Big 10 is 807 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,600 also going to make it difficult. I think some of these teams that 808 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,520 were so used to maybe not prioritizing football, not 809 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,560 investing in football. Minnesota's a good example of 810 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,240 that. I think they're going to start 811 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,760 and and so it's gonna make things a little more difficult 812 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,000 and so this in the same way that Indiana's investing in in their 813 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,400 in their football program. So at the same time that Indiana 814 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,840 is, is really starting to invest, I think some others are 815 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,040 going to as well, maybe not immediately, but you know 816 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,040 eventually. It's it's hard to see most of 817 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,240 these teams not investing in football at like this. 818 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,240 Seems like the worst possible thing you could do given some of 819 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,720 the financial things going on with college football right now. 820 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,360 But let's sit let's sit a few more questions here with the 821 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,160 time that we've got our our buddy Mason Williams recently 822 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,160 retired from from his role with rivals covering IU. 823 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,800 But ask the question, with much rightfully being made of the 824 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,040 current rosters overhaul heading into the 2024 season, what 825 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,080 aspect of the future of the program as IT projects forward 826 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,480 is most enticing, and why, I think. 827 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,080 What kind of exactly what we were just talking about I think 828 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,640 the investment is, is really encouraging. 829 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,200 I wrote I think it was the first, the first thing that I 830 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,200 wrote when when I pick back up, when I pick buy size buys and 831 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,040 back up which was the salary pool And then that's kind of 832 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,400 what I what I've kind of been engaging and like Indiana's 833 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,360 nearly at the average salary pool for the Big 10 and I I 834 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,080 should probably go back and recheck that. 835 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,760 Now that the the four you know PAC 12 teams are coming in 836 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,600 that's probably a little bit higher but it's it's I mean it's 837 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:21,040 it's approaching average and it was down it was the second worst 838 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,600 and so that like it boosted its salary pool by $1,000,000 and 839 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,240 and I was texting you about some of the salary stuff earlier but 840 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,600 the you know they're actually paying some of their assistance. 841 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,280 The Big 10 average for for an assistant in in this conference 842 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,000 and you know and and and I think the the continued investment in 843 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,200 in that manner I think is is probably the most enticing thing 844 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,680 to me even as I know it's not necessarily on the field but 845 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,960 that's gonna that's gonna be so helpful for the infrastructure 846 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,480 of the program. I mean it's hard to argue with 847 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:54,360 that. I mean if you know anything 848 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,000 about football and the way that things get put together, I mean 849 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,040 it is so much of it is the infrastructure and what is being 850 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,680 put underneath. And it's not just, oh, we have 851 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,160 the salary pool. It's making it sustainable. 852 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,800 I mean you, you know, big programs and even middle sized 853 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,160 programs that are regularly successful, they get guys 854 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,680 poached all the time from them and they find ways to replace 855 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,560 those guys with other good guys who can do that job as good if 856 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,440 not better, can maintain the culture, can maintain the 857 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,560 system. And I agree. 858 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,200 I think that that is one of the most exciting aspects of where 859 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,520 things are at right now is that it does feel that IU has said we 860 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,680 are, we're pushing our chips into the middle of the table 861 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,680 with football. We're going to invest in the 862 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,840 coach, we're going to invest in the assistance. 863 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,480 We're going to invest a little bit more in the facilities. 864 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,040 I mean to be determined how much obviously and that's going to 865 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,560 have some knock on effects and we're already I think starting 866 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,920 to see that a bit. Now, what's going to be 867 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,480 interesting, I think to kind of tackle maybe another aspect of 868 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,120 the question that Mason asks. To me, the most intriguing thing 869 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,000 is something that you've mentioned a couple of times 870 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,240 here, which is the recruiting without fear and also the 871 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:10,120 recruiting with like a solid plan for how things are going to 872 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,520 fit into the scheme. And it just to some degree has 873 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,520 felt, and this is not just a Tom Allen thing, it felt this way 874 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,800 with Kevin Wilson. It felt this way with with 875 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,200 basically every coach that Indiana's had, maybe going back 876 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,640 to Mallory, maybe not including Mallory, but certainly in the 877 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,240 latter years, I think you could argue it did. 878 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,520 Indiana has always felt like it's scrambled for everything 879 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,360 and you know, felt like itself, you know, kind of was relegated 880 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,280 either by its own attitudes or just by reality to picking up 881 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,400 the scraps that had fallen off the back of the truck after it 882 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,720 drove away from the warehouse. And in this case, maybe that's 883 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,120 still the case. And obviously we've yet to see. 884 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,840 You know, Indiana hasn't pulled the top 25 recruiting class or 885 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,040 anything like that. They did this is the thing. 886 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,560 It's like you know they they look like they were recruiting 887 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,120 so well under Tom Allen there for a couple of years and yet 888 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,160 that yielded no fruit. And I think the question is 889 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,320 going to be no fruits, probably a little strong, very little 890 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,240 fruit. You know what, what fruit it 891 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:11,000 yielded was not enough to eat off of. 892 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,880 And so it does make you wonder like was that a a talent MIS 893 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,360 evaluation where the recruiting service is wrong, was it a 894 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,640 developmental issue? Was it something that the 895 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,200 coaching staff couldn't turn those guys in. 896 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,960 I I feel like if it was the former the the the ponds that 897 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,080 Indiana's fishing in right now are a bit different in in who 898 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,400 they're going after and it feels less like fool's gold. 899 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,240 If it's the latter, I have a lot more faith in this staff and 900 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,040 what they have demonstrated at their prior stops in terms of 901 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:47,040 being able to develop lower ranked recruits into guys that 902 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,040 can perform. So either way, I'm excited about 903 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,760 that whole Nexus of like we're recruiting and development meet 904 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,880 and again it all ties back to what you were talking about, but 905 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,440 that's a little more kind of concrete on the ground stuff I 906 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,360 guess I would say. Yeah, yeah, what? 907 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,800 What? And that kind of reminds me of a 908 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,960 specific recruit that they had brought in the wide receiver 909 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,800 Rayshawn Williams. That was like 2019 or 2021 of 910 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,080 those two classes. And I remember him having some 911 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,280 really impressive offers. Like, we're talking like 912 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,080 Michigan, Michigan State. He was getting looked at by Ohio 913 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,320 State, I believe he was. He was at a camp in front of 914 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,600 Brian Hartline at one point and all those schools had taken 915 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,160 their or had made their offers uncommitable for him and then 916 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,280 and and Indiana offered him and and and made theirs commitable 917 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,800 and and he didn't really end up you know doing much here and 918 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,320 then and you know I don't know if he ever saw the field 919 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,680 actually and and that was just another example of kind of what 920 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,080 you were talking about like the the the scraps from from others. 921 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:54,720 And even though that that that, you know that strategy isn't a 922 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,400 terrible strategy because you can still get some talent and 923 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,200 some talent that can keep your floor higher, it didn't work out 924 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,440 in that case. It didn't work out in many 925 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,440 others either. And you know, I I I think, yeah, 926 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,840 I I don't really. I guess I I give the staff the 927 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,800 benefit of the doubt that that type of situation won't happen 928 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,920 as often as it has for Indiana as soon as the way they've 929 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,200 carried the recruiting. And we won't know. 930 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,840 I mean, Indiana has broken a lot of of football coaches and 931 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,480 coaching stabs over the years. Like, you know, we're not, We're 932 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,480 not talking about the fountain of youth when it comes to your 933 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,240 career. So there's always maybe a better 934 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:34,080 than average chance that it won't work out. 935 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,720 But it does feel like the pedigree here is a little bit 936 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:40,000 better and more consistent. We'll see. 937 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,400 Couple other questions. Gigi asks Which class of 2024 938 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,040 high school recruit are you most excited for? 939 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:57,640 02024. You can even you can even say 940 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,400 2023 if you wanted to. If you wanted to go with the the 941 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,320 incoming freshman that you're most excited about for this time 942 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,800 around, I'd be fine with that too. 943 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:11,640 OK, OK, OK Oh man. I I like. 944 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,640 I like Quinton Clark. I like well, OK, I like 2 945 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,440 actually. I like Quinton Clark the the 946 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,560 linebacker. I I watched his tape and he is 947 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:27,840 so fast and strong and he was somebody that Tom Allenstaff had 948 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,920 had recruited and he he was he got an offer from the staff and 949 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,840 to stay in in the class and and I I like him a lot I I think he 950 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,800 if he's developed right I think he could he could be he could be 951 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,360 good I think he could be one of those guys that kind of like 952 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:49,360 plays on on an edge and and and is able to play out in space. 953 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,760 Like he just has a bunch of speed and I think that's kind of 954 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,680 a linebacker that like I would say like maybe a Cam Jones was 955 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,960 but but sometimes we don't really get to see that but I 956 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,280 like him a lot. I also liked Andre Henderson the 957 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,080 cornerback we saw a lot of him in the spring game his cousins 958 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:13,520 Jair Alexander the cornerback at Green Bay and and he had 32 pass 959 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,920 breakups and five interceptions in his junior season. 960 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:21,200 Like one season he broke up 32 passes and he's he's I think 961 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,760 he's going to be good. I I I like he made an open field 962 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,520 tackle for this in the spring game that looked impressive So 963 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,280 those two I think are probably sorry I hadn't thought about the 964 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,840 2024 class in a second. I was. 965 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,760 I was so focused on the transfer portal. 966 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,280 What we'll do you know what we'll come back to that the next 967 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,800 time we pod we'll we'll we'll carry that over couple couple 968 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,480 other quick questions then we got to wrap up. 969 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,360 I I don't think we're going to unfortunately get to to any of 970 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,400 of Ryan's Memorial Stadium improvement questions. 971 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,600 I think we'll do a special episode where we do nothing but 972 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,800 focus on facilities because I think that topic deserves it. 973 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,440 But these are two kind of interrelated questions Amanda 974 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,160 asks what do you think our conference record will be? 975 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,760 And CSW Hoosier asks, could this finally be the year of nine 976 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,800 Indiana? If so, what has to happen for IU 977 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,160 to get to 9 wins? So let's start with Amanda's 978 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,880 more conservative question. Like what? 979 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,200 How do you see the Big 10 schedule playing out for Indiana 980 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,920 in terms of total record? OK. 981 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:27,120 So I'm looking at the schedule now and there are there are 982 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,640 there are a few toss UPS honestly and I think there's I 983 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,920 think there's one that I I might like call my shot on I think 984 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,520 they might beat Michigan this year like I think that game is I 985 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,080 think that game is really winnable. 986 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,600 I I have no faith in what Michigan has done after Harbaugh 987 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,520 left and I think it could be a a pretty devastating result for 988 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,800 them even though they still have talent. 989 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,920 I think yeah no I I think I know that I know we we literally were 990 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,080 just talking about expectations but but I think that I I I think 991 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,440 and it's not really I don't know it's not really a reflection of 992 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,080 like Indiana necessarily more of a reflection of like Michigan 993 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,480 and how they've handled hardball leaving. 994 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:11,280 But that I know that's just a complete aside but I'll still 995 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,640 probably consider that a a loss But no Galen. 996 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,880 I think they win. I think they can I I don't know 997 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,000 some of these games that I was a little more confident about 998 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,440 before like like in the beginning when the schedule was 999 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,560 released. I'm a little bit less confident 1000 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:36,000 in one of them is UCLA, another one is Nebraska so and another 1001 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,920 one's Northwestern simply because I think that game's 1002 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,920 gonna be weird like it's it's like any it's in a weird setting 1003 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,160 but but and we don't know how good Northwestern's gonna be 1004 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,760 either. So I mean I think just this is 1005 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,080 something that I've I've gone back and forth with a lot so 1006 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,360 that's why I've. I sound indecisive but I I mean 1007 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,840 I think they beat Purdue. I think they beat Maryland and I 1008 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,400 think they beat Michigan State and I think that they can beat 1009 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:09,400 one of Washington or Nebraska and and then I think they get 1010 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,880 one more out. I think a five wins. 1011 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,640 Yeah. I, yeah, I mean I I'm going to 1012 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,280 say I'm going to be a little more conservative. 1013 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,240 I'm going to say four and five in conference plus the three non 1014 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:22,120 conference wins. Now that I might revise that 1015 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,920 down the line, but I think four or five wins in conference is a 1016 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,360 reasonable projection. And to answer that, I'm thinking 1017 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,480 about that, I will say this, the schedule and and this is what 1018 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,880 you know to address CSW Hoosier's question real quick 1019 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,640 before we wrap up the the this is actually the most favorable 9 1020 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,440 Indiana schedule that I've seen because of the road games. 1021 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,880 The only one that looks unwinnable, unwinnable is the 1022 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,960 game at Ohio State, every other Rd. game at UCLA, at 1023 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,840 Northwestern, at Michigan State. I mean they're they're all 1024 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,280 winnable. They're they're all winnable 1025 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,640 games. That doesn't mean they're going 1026 00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:58,760 to win all of them. It just means they're all 1027 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,360 winnable. And the home games, Yeah, I mean 1028 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,760 you know you got the three non cons. 1029 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,360 You got Maryland which is a tricky 1. 1030 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,120 Nebraska's going to be tricky. Washington's going to be tricky. 1031 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,880 Can you win two out of those 3 Michigan's, you know, I mean if 1032 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,720 you're going to pick off Michigan, this is a good year to 1033 00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:15,400 do it. And then obviously Purdue at the 1034 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,120 end of the year you should win that game just given the 1035 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,040 relative talent levels of the two teams. 1036 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,160 But the route for Indiana to get to 9 wins is you lose the Ohio 1037 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,560 State game. Fine. 1038 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,640 You lose one of those Nebraska, Washington games at home and 1039 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,080 maybe you lose the game at UCLA and you win the rest of them. 1040 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,640 And maybe if you trade one of those and maybe you you lose the 1041 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,480 game at Michigan State or something like that, Hopefully 1042 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,360 that doesn't happen. But that would be that's the 1043 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:41,560 trade off that you're looking at. 1044 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,960 So where you winning where you win eight games in the regular 1045 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,400 season and you win the one bowl game that you get and that's how 1046 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,960 you do it so. Yeah, exactly. 1047 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,800 I was I I had seen that question previously and I I had gone to 1048 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,360 the schedule and I was like man, how do they get to 9 wins? 1049 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,240 I think they would almost have to start eight and one like to 1050 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,440 to start to start the season and I don't know if Indiana, I don't 1051 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,960 know, I don't know that's not really in Indiana's DNA. 1052 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,600 No. And I I. 1053 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,760 I don't know. But again, no one really knows. 1054 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,040 There's so many questions. Like no one knows what post 1055 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,960 Talia Maryland's going to look like. 1056 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,160 No one knows what Northwestern is going to look like playing on 1057 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,120 that postage stamp size field. No one really knows how year two 1058 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,920 of the Mount Rule era is going to be at Nebraska. 1059 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,200 No one really knows how Jet Fish is going to integrate at 1060 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,800 Washington. No one knows what the Hell's 1061 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,600 going on with Michigan State, you know? 1062 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,480 No, I mean, 'cause that's the first year for a new coach and 1063 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,880 obviously things have not gone well in East Lansing over the 1064 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,360 course of the last 12 months. No one really knows what the 1065 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,400 post Harbaugh era at Michigan's going to look like, and no one 1066 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,640 really knows what the Hell's going on with Purdue like, is 1067 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,800 Purdue heading back towards Hazel territory? 1068 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,400 It's quite possible so, and no one knows about UCLA. 1069 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,960 It the the there's so many unknowns that it really makes 1070 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:02,680 projecting difficult and I think Indiana no issues there. 1071 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,960 In terms of like, yes, of course we know that we don't know 1072 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,480 things, but at least we know what we'd think we know, even 1073 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:10,680 though we don't actually know it. 1074 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,000 If that makes any, it's. A lot of knowing, No, I agree. 1075 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,200 There's so many question marks, so many question marks in the 1076 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,200 Big 10 this year, I have no idea how it's gonna play out. 1077 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,800 Yeah. So anyway, that'll wrap it up 1078 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,040 for us. Taylor is always a pleasure to 1079 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,960 have you on. Be sure to go to bite size to 1080 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:31,680 bison.substack.com or follow Taylor on X at by Taylor L Be 1081 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,120 sure to follow us on Sub Stack as well. 1082 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,400 Check out the rest of the Back home network and we'll be back 1083 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,200 with more podcasting. IU basketball, IU football, all 1084 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,760 kinds of other fun stuff going on. 1085 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,160 For Taylor, I'm Galen, this is Crimson Cast. 1086 00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,920 We'll catch you folks on the flip side, Bring back the Bison 1087 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,480 candy stripe the rock. That's all everybody.